"What happens if the test subject is a mono-Finnish speaker? ..."

What's your point? Obviously a test needs to be given in a language the subject speaks (or is literate in for a written test) for a reliable result. I would have trouble with a written Finnish driving test.

Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

Brilliant insights.

Taleb may have a point, maybe he doesn't, on the other hand maybe he does. He makes false claims, source: Trust Me Bro.

You deserve a fake Nobel of Economics.

I'll give you a final chance to contribute to this conversation:

IQ tests like these usually have a verbal component.

https://openpsychometrics.org/tests/FSIQ/

But it's entirely English-based, of anagrams and vocabulary knowledge.

What happens if the test subject is a mono-Finnish speaker?

With grammatical structure and vocabulary entirely alien to native English speakers?

Brilliant insights. Taleb may have a point, maybe he doesn't, on the other hand maybe he does. He makes false claims, source: Trust Me Bro.

You deserve a fake Nobel of Economics.

I'll give you a final chance to contribute to this conversation: IQ tests like these usually have a verbal component.

https://openpsychometrics.org/tests/FSIQ/

But it's entirely English-based, of anagrams and vocabulary knowledge.

What happens if the test subject is a mono-Finnish speaker? With grammatical structure and vocabulary entirely alien to native English speakers?

Replies: @James B. Shearer

You are not mathematically educated at all. Anyway, In my mind with that graph, if it is a valid, Taleb has a point. I interpret that graph that the high IQ correlates a lot less than low IQ with something that IQ test should measure. Taleb says that IQ-test measures best unintelligence (with low scores) and he is maybe right about that. But Taleb also makes false claims.

Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

No. You falsely stated that measure theory precedes stochastic processes in pedagogical order.

If you know factor analysis and even Malliavin calculus, then understanding Taleb's argument would have been trivial for you.

How are you just not a fraud and on here wasting people's time?

For anyone else who want to make an honest effort. This is the background to what Taleb is referring to:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G_factor_(psychometrics)

Replies: @Gc

I meant not when the variables have linear dependence, but approximately linear relationship.

Bro, why are you asking me for clarification? I thought you said I wasn’t knowledgable ;)

Measure theory was not needed to derive Black-Scholes, likewise for Brownian motion.

https://www.cs.princeton.edu/courses/archive/fall09/cos323/papers/black_scholes73.pdf

https://www.damtp.cam.ac.uk/user/gold/pdfs/teaching/old_literature/Einstein1905.pdf

If they can be derived without measure theory, then you don’t need measure theory to learn stochastic processes do you?

My point was not that it’s so important to learn measure theory so to look like a genius. I’m questioning the level of initiative of this forum.

Can someone please attempt to give a rebuttal to “IQ is a pseudoscientific swindle”?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAFnbkEwqjI

Replies: @Gc

It’s clear that you are not so knowledgeable.
 

The level of Rudin's book you you cited is between introductory probability < measure theoretic probability.
 

No bro. You don’t need measure theory to know stochastic processes. Was measure theory needed to derive Black-Scholes?

The textbook sequence is like

1. Probability, Ross

2. Stochastic Modeling, Taylor and Karlin

3. Stochastic, Ross or Shreve

4. Brownian motion, Karatzas and Shreve

Here is a world famous quant giving an argument for "IQ is a pseudoscientific swindle". He uses no measure theory.

Since you are more knowledgable than I. Can you comment on its validity?

https://miro.medium.com/v2/resize:fit:4800/format:webp/1*w9MbW4gOKGqJT-tDcbhcNQ.jpeg

https://medium.com/incerto/iq-is-largely-a-pseudoscientific-swindle-f131c101ba39

Replies: @Gc, @Art Deco

Pablo Escobar mentioned Azov in Ukraine and apparently Sergei Brin turned blue

Replies: @Proud Russian

Thanks!

Turks were already formidable before conversion to Islam

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9e/Gokturk_orthographic_projection.png

https://en.wikipedia.org/Göktürks

Early Arab conquests were hardly "low intensity". They lost their edge when they fail to adapt to new industrial technology and organization.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fb/The_Early_Muslim_Conquests_630s_to_820s.svg

Islam does make its converts more fierce and solidary, but doesn't make them smarter to adopt industrialization.

Iran and Turkey remain relatively strong because they have some industrialization.

https://cdn.howmuch.net/articles/world-map-manufacturing-output-cb7a.jpg

Replies: @polaco

What are these organizations where secular organized men belong to?
 

It makes Muslims strong, much stronger than they would be without it.
 

Replies: @Gc, @Dutch Boy

I honestly think if the grooming gang guys in England had been proper Muslims they wouldn't have done what they did. The problem with "Muslim" immigrants is racial, not religious. Their religion can actually be a corrective for some of their bad tendencies.

Islamic terrorists are often raised in secular European environments prior to embracing violent Islamism. The guys who are pious Muslims from birth tend to be wary of the extremists.

The truth is if Southwest Asians or Arabs or Africans are going to be in my country I'd rather they be devout Muslims than atomized secular predators. Islam was invented to keep people like them behaving well.

Replies: @Sam Hildebrand

Invade the world, Invite the world. Japan addition.
 

Replies: @HA, @Richard B

How is Islam a mind virus? It makes muslim strong, much stronger than they would be without it.
 

They are not that stronger when the West was at the top of world domination.

How is Islam a mind virus? It makes muslim strong, much stronger than they would be without it.
 

Hitler (PBUH) said that if Germany had been Muslim they would have conquered the world.

Replies: @Ralph L

We have real life counter examples. Who are stronger, Indians or Pakistanis? Bosnians or Serbs?

Look at the destruction Islam has wrought on historically advanced civilizations like Persia, the Levant and Egypt.

Replies: @Gc

For much of the nineteenth century the west was at war with Islam. Britain, France, Germany, and Russia schemed constantly against the Ottoman Empire, creating millions of refugees and seizing great chunks of Ottoman territory. The final victory in the Great War resulted in a long horror show for the people of the Middle East, who happen to possess great reserves of a commodity that rival elements of the imperialist west will do anything to monopolize. Today’s radical Islam reminds me of the Ghost Dance of the American Indians, a supernatural fantasy of a people profoundly traumatized by a century of brutal oppression by alien invaders too strong to expel from their homelands by conventional methods. The xenophobic elements of Islam are the glue that holds their futile struggle together and what gives hope to the hopeless, however unlikely its success.

There are a billion plus Moslems from every ethnic group living on every continent. The notion that the members of this vast global community are "at war" with us is a western fantasy. There is no commonality based on religion, no central Vatican-like authority imposing its dictates on the global community.

Replies: @BB753, @Art Deco, @Reg Cæsar

All religions and all ways of thinking/acting are viruses. Every modern human is more or less a host for a variety of them.

This particular video is an overview of The Jewish Bible but at the 13 minute mark there's a digression to the matter of Judaism being a meme carried by Jews. Whether they, you, or I would consider that a parasite or not is a subjective matter but it's definitely viral.

Islam of course is more evangelical than Judaism which makes it easier for someone to catch the whole kid n' kaboodle all at once.

https://youtu.be/bMJ2OYcPJSQ

It goes so far that, to become a NATO member, you must have gay pride parades. Also, conservative countries may be pressured into embracing part or the totality of the gay/ green/ 20_30 Agenda by the IMF, or even private entities like Blackrock. If you don't go along...."No soup for you!".
Westerners just have no idea how repellent the gay/ tranny agenda is to the rest of the world. And how ridiculous and impractical the whole green, climate change agenda turns out for most countries not totally under the Algo -American boot.

I probably wasn't completely clear. Only Jews who convert to Christianity, only people who accept Jesus Christ as the Son of God, according to the Bible, are saved. In other words, Jews and every other ethnicity and race, have to become Christians to be saved. Once they accept Christ, they would no longer be Jews. Same thing for a Hindu, Buddhist or Musselman.

I'll rephrase a question I have already asked here on Unz: if we believe in a creator God then we believe that he has created everything beautiful on Earth and we believe that has created everything with a purpose. I for instance believe that God has created men with free will and that He has created beauty to inspire love in men. Why would God create harmony and then make his chosen the people who prosper on entropy? What would be the purpose of beauty if God made his chosen the people to whom it inspires hatred?

Replies: @Anonymous, @HT, @Art

Heres some more "What ifs" for you to chew on.
What if Jews weren't the same people as the Chosen of the Old Testament? What if the word "jew" was never mentioned in the Old Testament? What if you and these Evangelicals knew the difference between "jew" and "Israelite"? What if you or Evangelicals ever actually read the Bible?

Replies: @Anon

Most American Evangelical Churches teach that first the Jews will be returned to the "Holy Land", then the conditions will be met for the return of Jesus Christ. Those Jews who accept Christ as the Son of God get to share in the gift of Grace. There used to be a lot of hostility between Evangelicals and Jews because the Evangelicals call for the conversion of the Jews and actively work towards recruiting Jews into their Faith. I'm unaware of a single Christian Church that teaches Jews will rule over everyone else. In fact, the teaching is that Christians will live forever in a world ruled by Jesus. Hope that clears it up for you.

Replies: @Gc

"Evangelical Churches"???? You mean Christian Zionist cunt churches pushing a false doctrine. Christianity has been subverted by the Jews.

https://www.serendipity.li/zionism/carlson01.htm

Read this incredible article: https://www.unz.com/wwebb/the-untold-story-of-christian-zionisms-rise-to-power-in-the-united-states/

And see here how Israel relies so heavily on this false doctrine for our support and funding:

https://israelallies.org/israels-top-50-christian-allies


So....I suggest we cannot caste off our Christianity ---It is a scaffolding to build a united nation on. It can be used to destroy Jewish control over our country.

These motherfucking Jews work in decades, even centuries to terraform the World. They have detailed plans on how to subvert every country to their will. We must unite to fight. Christianity can be a uniting force....."One Nation, Under God...".

Replies: @King Edward I

"Who is cherry picking? That study treat only the beginning of the pandemic!"

Which is where they screwed up -- you admitted that yourself. That screw-up didn't magically undo itself later, is that what you want to pretend?

You truthers love to point to Sweden, but the reason they didn't have to lock down was because they had generous (socialized) health benefits. If someone had sniffles, they stayed home secure in the knowledge that their jobs would remain, and that they'd eat that week. That wasn't the case in good ol' capitalist America. If your Jimmy Johns sandwich preparer had sniffles, he didn't care -- he needed that shift to pay for his rent, and so he went to work and got everyone infected.

THAT is a large reason why some cities and even states in the US chose to lock down to an extent they didn't need to in the socialized Nordics. There was one case where a guy infected with COVID died on a United flight coming home from vacation in Florida because his family -- who knew full well he was sick -- didn't want to bear the cost of rescheduling the flight. They didn't care as much as Swedes do about infecting their neighbors.

Note that not everyone in Sweden has generous sick leave. In particular, the immigrant shift-workers in the nursing homes who care for the elderly likewise needed to keep working and they didn't care about their sniffles and so they came in for their shift and infected Grandma Dagmar and Grandpa Sven. THAT is how Sweden killed off so many more elderly early on in the epidemic. Eventually, they figured out the problem and made sure the shift workers were tested and alerted to stay home. But that takes time, and because nearby countries didn't make that mistake of assuming everything would go well, and were more cautious they didn't lose as many people. It's as simple as that.

So yeah, look at the beginning -- that's precisely where they messed up. Those dead people didn't materialize by the end of the pandemic, and quit trying to pretend that looking later would change any of that.

If the truthers want to go Sweden -- OK, go Sweden. Go all the way. But that would require integrity and consistency, and so instead, you keep cherry-picking. You want to whine about socialized this and that (not that I disagree with you), but you also don't want to suffer the consequences of dog-eat-dog, one of which is that local health experts know that the only way they can prevent what happened in those Swedish nursing homes (on a much larger level) is to lock down. I'm not happy about it, and I'm not saying they got it right, but I'm not trying to hide what happened. You are.

That study treat only the beginning of the pandemic! Of course Sweden suffered most in the beginning because they did not lock down, but instead aimed for herd immunity. Later for example Finland wen’t far over Swedish death rate.
 

"Sweden did best in Europe. That’s your comparision."

Oh, thanks for clearing all that up.

Sweden’s health policy, being by far the most relaxed response to COVID-19, was found to have the largest COVID-19 incidence and mortality, and the highest AWPC increases for both indicators (13.5, 95% CI = 5.6, 22.0, P < 0.001; 6.3, 95% CI = 3.5, 9.1, P < 0.001). Denmark had the highest number of COVID-19 tests per capita, consistent with their approach of increased testing as a preventive strategy for disease transmission. Iceland had the second-highest number of tests per capita due to their mass-testing, contact tracing, quarantine and isolation response. Only Norway had a significant increase in unemployment (AMPC = 2.8%, 95% CI = 0.7-4.9, P < 0.009) while the percentage change in real Gross Domestic Product (GDP) was insignificant for all countries.

Conclusions
There was no trade-off between public health policy and economy during the COVID-19 pandemic in the Nordic region. Sweden’s relaxed and delayed COVID-19 health policy response did not benefit the economy in the short term, while leading to disproportionate COVID-19 hospitalizations and mortality.
 

Replies: @Gc, @Mr. Anon

"Sweden’s example shows that the lock down didn’t accomplish anything."

Not according to them. Weird how the truthers seem to forget that. When you compare Sweden against its nearest neighbors who did more, (and critically, did more early in the pandemic), it's pretty obvious -- even to Sweden, evidently -- though I give Tegnell points for admitting as much. Most government stooges wouldn't, and as for the truthers, they're even worse.

We should have done more, admits architect of Sweden’s Covid-19 strategy

Sweden’s chief epidemiologist and the architect of its light-touch approach to the coronavirus has acknowledged that the country has had too many deaths from Covid-19 and should have done more to curb the spread of the virus.… there was “quite obviously a potential for improvement in what we have done” in Sweden.
 

Replies: @Gc, @Mark G., @Mr. Anon

"Where is Physicist Dave commenting? The guy is intelligent."

Recently he has been doing battle with some other commenters on a Ron Unz open thread. They have been making claims that the planes that flew into buildings on 9/11 were unmanned drones, that the buildings were blown up by small nuclear bombs or various other 9/11 conspiracy theories.

As a retired physicist, PD finds these conspiracy theorists to be not very well grounded in the scientific knowledge needed when advancing their theories. He thinks it completely plausible that the planes did cause the collapse of the buildings.

Ron Paul said in a 2007 Republican primary debate that Muslims flew planes into those buildings because we had been meddling in their countries. This blowback theory is one I agree with. We need to stop our meddling in places like Serbia, Iraq or the Ukraine and focus on the serious problems we have in our own country.

Replies: @Art Deco

I really like AD's comments but I also find the contrast between his "champion of the normies" persona and his atypical uptight, high-IQ, idealistic personality and obsessions pretty funny.

A huge numner of "refugees" need to be seized and deported and a huge number of law school graduates need to be stricken from the bar, and I don't see a way around that long arduous nastiness. Right now the strongest part of the left is our weakness regarding cleaning up after them.

Fortunately, said prosecutors do not enjoy immunity from lead projectiles.

Comedians who aren't afraid to say it give Trump his props for his comedic timing. Shane Gillis, who does a great Trump, is one who does.

A President needs to be able to inspire

Why? Who gives a shit. Your priest or pastor should inspire you, not a politician. Frankly what I like about Biden is how easy he is to ignore. I don’t need Presidents in my life. The President is supposed to execute laws and be a good manager. Small government starts with dull Presidents. Our best Presidents were people like Calvin Coolidge. Gerald Ford was good too.

Name the last 5 Swiss Presidents. There‘s a country that has it figured out.

Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @Paleo Liberal

She looks hot, though.
 

Wow. Screwing lots of different people! Such a new and innovative idea that nobody has ever thought of before. I wonder if this new concept will catch on.

In America that concept is called Government and they'll screw you six ways to Sunday.

Agree, well said. I’ve run out of response buttons.

Great point about the US domestically being converted from a nation to an internal empire. All the people that squawk about colonialism and so on are enthusiastically acting like a colonial empire only with the intention to subjugate and exploit people at home rather than abroad. I think I may have discovered a new level of hatred just typing this.

Those people–my people–need to be fixed.

 

Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber barons cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some points be satiated; but those who torment us for their own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. They may be more likely to go to heaven yet at the same time likely to make a Hell of earth. This very kindness stings with intolerable insult. To be "cured" against one's will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals.
 

Replies: @Anonymous

The thing is the old empires–Romans, Ottomans, etc.–we actually far better about leaving people alone. Their mantra was really “pay your taxes and don’t cause trouble”. But they mostly left their subject peoples to govern their own affairs and live as they wished with their own language, religion, customs and culture.
 

Replies: @Almost Missouri

"nation — peoples of a larger territory merged into–or at least toward–one people with a common/dominant language, culture, religion"

Exactly what is the U.S. Remember, our posterity, which changed as the people changed. Originally, it was those from northern/western Europe. Then came in those vile creatures--the Poles, the Italians, the Slavs, followed by the Chinese, the Assyrians, the Mexicans. We normies as a collective decide, and that tears you to the hone.

"The thing is the old empires–Romans, Ottomans, etc.–we actually far better about leaving people alone".

The majority of Roman allies were unwilling partners to her empire designs. So surrounding groups aligned themselves with the Roman confederacy out of necessity. Rome was just the biggest kid on the block and offered "protection". Those defeated in Roman wars of conquest were obligated to supply soldiers on demand. Then something remarkable happened--citizenship rights was conferred by Emperor Caracalla (212 A.D.) to all free-born persons within the Roman Empire. Can you say multiethnic world of tens of millions of "foreigners", whom Rome counted on as workers and soldiers?

Of course, you can.

Oh, come on. Europe has drunk driving limit about one can of beer. There are strict limits of alcohol that you can have in your body while you drive. You cannot even drive in hangover if you drink heavily last night. In the movies Americans come how from a pub in their own cars D:.
 

Replies: @Reg Cæsar

Seems to be a thing that dogs are observed eating grass. Last I heard, there wasn't a good explanation for this.

Replies: @Jack D, @Colin Wright, @Mike Conrad

The funniest gag in Red Dwarf is when the Little Richard-like humanoid who has evolved from a housecat (and is effectively still a cat) meets a spaceship Everything Machine and patiently enters six orders of fish dinner, carefully stacking them in his arms, because that is exactly what a cat would do.

Don't fall into the naturalistic fallacy.

From 1800 to 1840 American literacy went from 75 to 90% in the North and 55 to 80% in the South, and the calculus probably didn't include slaves.

Replies: @Alexander Turok, @Twinkie, @Observator, @Jack D

Fun fact:

John 7:15

And the Jews marvelled, saying, How knoweth this man letters, having never learned?
 

Replies: @ydydy, @Jack D

Roman farmers, soldiers, sailors, etc. for the most part did not need to be able to read or write.
 

Replies: @epebble, @Frau Katze

“Goyim were born only to serve us. Without that, they have no place in the world; only to serve the People of Israel... Why are gentiles needed? They will work, they will plow, they will reap. We will sit like an effendi and eat... With gentiles, it will be like any person: They need to die, but God will give them longevity. Why? Imagine that one’s donkey would die, they’d lose their money. This is his servant. That’s why he gets a long life, to work well for this Jew."

Replies: @Jack D, @Etruscan Film Star

SBF: Cryptocurrency is better than dollars.
Me: Why is that?
SBF: Because creating storing and using cryptocurrency consumes enormous amounts of electricity.
Me: I gotta admit, I have no comeback to that.

Replies: @Muggles

"SBF’s point is mostly based on a simple failure to define his term – “greatest writer.” He’s ignoring the fact that actual original output is the metric. Instead, he’s using the term to mean the “person with the greatest potential to have done something original and great under the same circumstances.”"

Perhaps reading the Nicomachean Ethics would have been more useful than studying "effective altruism"...

"With those who identify happiness with virtue or some one virtue our account is in harmony; for to virtue belongs virtuous activity. But it makes, perhaps, no small difference whether we place the chief good in possession or in use, in state of mind or in activity. For the state of mind may exist without producing any good result, as in a man who is asleep or in some other way quite inactive, but the activity cannot; for one who has the activity will of necessity be acting, and acting well. And as in the Olympic Games it is not the most beautiful and the strongest that are crowned but those who compete (for it is some of these that are victorious), so those who act win, and rightly win, the noble and good things in life."
http://classics.mit.edu/Aristotle/nicomachaen.1.i.html (NE I.8)

tl;dr: The gold medal goes not to the fastest, but to the WINNER.

Iran, who most observers would agree supports the various factions opposed to the state of Israel could reasonably have concluded that the American involvement in the Ukraine war has depleted it of not a small amount of ordnance. That would somewhat lessen the risk to the Iranian state.

That is not the case. Israel has plenty of ammo and isn't sending it to Ukraine.

Israel has in fact turned down weapons requests from Zelensky. Of course this isn't discussed on pro-Putin websites where ZOG theory is their default fill-in where rationality doesn't exist.

This latest attack was long planned. It was not spontaneous. Maybe it was time to pull the trigger.

Why? What is the gain here? How in any possible scenario does Hamas come out on top?

That the Israeli payback for the events that have taken place will be massive and horrific has to have been taken into consideration. Hamas is not that dumb. But like with Americans, it will be mainly aerial.

Hamas really is that dumb.

The next week will prove that. Israel has been waiting for an attack like this and already has a plan ready.

Just plain dumb and egged on by Iran. It's like encouraging the drunk idiot to take a swing at the off duty cop.

Just plain dumb but some asshole who won't be getting punched finds it amusing.

Replies: @Cagey Beast, @Timur The Lame, @Ennui

But Gc is a dumb Finn and cannot spell 🙂
 

Nor is the F in one of the country's official names and on its vehicle tags. I once asked a Finn from Forssa where her town got that alien letter, and she had no idea. Wikipedia tells us, "The municipality is unilingually Finnish. However, the name Forssa comes from the Swedish word fors, meaning rapids." My sister-in-law's maiden name means "rapids" or "falls" in Norwegian, and is close to that. The Finnish would be "Koski", but there is another town with that name a half-hour drive away.

Until recently, Finland was the only country in the world where Swedish was an official language. Official languages come in pairs, or bundles:

Guinness: Most official languages (country)

Finns are forced to write music with four letters alien to them!

I was about to make a funny about that typo, Gc, but thanks to Kaganovitch for getting to it first. If that's all your problem with English, you are kicking ass. I've never had a knack for languages.

Jimmy Buffett sang a song about you people. I would have thought it would be ABBA having written a song about the Finns, as Jimmy Buffett didn't seem to like the cold places. He preferred the warm-water sailing.

She came down from Cincinnati.
It took her three days on a train.
Looking for some peace and quiet,
hoped to see the sun again.
But now, she lives down by the ocean.
She's taking care to look for sharks.
They hang out in the local bars,
and they feed right after dark,

Can't you feel them circling, honey?
Can't you feel them swimming around?
You got Finns to the left, Finns to the right,
and you're the only bait in town.
Oh-whoa, oh-whoa.
You got Finns to the left, Finns to the right,
and you're the only girl in town.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxh8YQKruAQ

There is still good and interesting done work done in argeology.
 

Isn't that Steve's field? He represented his prep school on the argy-bargy team.

Replies: @Kylie, @Art Deco

Maybe it was just something she wanted to take with her or a final gift from some rich guy. You can never tell. Some moment just get berried in history, without no-one remembering or knowing them.
 

Replies: @Gc

I saw a web of a spider at the same time in TV and I was thinking what to do ;) It's a coincidence. But yeah I must rethink stuff - Erase&Rewind.