Those of us who recognized / recognize that Trump is much better than the alternatives…
The “alternatives” are all vetted by a private corporation (GOP or DNC) before being allowed to campaign, to say nothing of financial networks or media conglomerates. To paraphrase South Park, you get to choose between a giant douche and a turd sandwich.
FWIW, I’d rather have someone who openly despises us than someone who pretends to like us just to betray us. At least with the open enemy I know where we stand, and the only question is how much we’re willing to tolerate. The amount of subversion and backstabbing in our current government makes the Communists of the 1900s look like amateurs, yet we’ve got a “based” face to assure us he’s “monitoring the situation”.
New cases are way down in Germany, according to Robert Koch Institute (as of April 5)
Many countries show similar trends – numbers of new cases maxing out much sooner than anticipated and then declining rapidly. North America may be a couple of days behind. Overall, though, it is time to call off this hoax and revert to the tried and true climate change scam for promoting the “world government and poverty for all to save mankind and the planet” agenda.
Agreed.
What is likely to happen is that great swaths of the faithful will have discovered as these weeks have gone by that they don’t actually miss the wretched simulacrum of a Mass which has been imposed upon them, lo, these fifty years. The churches will re-open to great fanfare – and nobody, or very few, will come back.
In the traditional (aka Catholic) Church the opposite will happen: everybody who has been starved of the precious Body and Blood of Our Lord Jesus Christ will again be at the doors, but they will have had added to their number those who, not missing the New Mass, nevertheless did miss Christ, and will have discovered (through the internet – it is not all bad) where they might find Him again.
Their numbers will remain small, and the persecutions will continue and now intensify, but the Church will perdure, and souls will be saved.
Hey the Mark of the Beasties…ooops I meant the Biometric Industry is awash with ideas and orders to use biometric technology on everyone to fight this deadly pandemic. The Biometric industry really cares for you.
https://www.biometricupdate.com/202004/fever-detection-technology-added-to-biometric-hardware-by-dermalog-telpo-dfi-hikvision-and-kogniz
Fever detection technology added to biometric hardware by Dermalog, Telpo, DFI, Hikvision and Kogniz
https://www.biometricupdate.com/202004/covid-19-crisis-emphasizes-importance-of-a-passwordless-future-wef-says
COVID-19 crisis emphasizes importance of a passwordless future, World Economic Forum says
https://www.biometricupdate.com/202003/fever-detection-and-facial-recognition-systems-launched-to-help-prevent-virus-spread
Fever detection and facial recognition systems launched to help prevent virus spread
Even before the outbreak, the ID2020 was working to provide mark of the beast…..sorry …digital IDs with …..wait for it……vaccines!!!
https://www.biometricupdate.com/201909/id2020-and-partners-launch-program-to-provide-digital-id-with-vaccines
ID2020 and partners launch program to provide digital ID with vaccines
Sep 20, 2019
The ID2020 Alliance has launched a new digital identity program at its annual summit in New York, in collaboration with the Government of Bangladesh, vaccine alliance Gavi, and new partners in government, academia, and humanitarian relief.
The program to leverage immunization as an opportunity to establish digital identity was unveiled by ID2020 in partnership with the Bangladesh Government’s Access to Information (a2i) Program, the Directorate General of Health Services, and Gavi, according to the announcement.
Digital identity is a computerized record of who a person is, stored in a registry. It is used, in this case, to keep track of who has received vaccination.
That's all good and well but should you ever test positive for the coronavirus, in say some future random testing or when visiting a doctor for a prescription to deal with a fever, flu, cold, sore throat, cough, diarrhea, you will be strictly quarantined for two weeks and not given permission to go out at all.
Of course, in the case at hand, I also know that this is just the seasonal flu, and look forward to building immunity.
Thank you for your reply. I want to be more precise: you build a strong immune system, most importantly, and of course you do not get complete immunity because this and other cold viri will mutate from season to season. But your immune system having a memory, you do get partial immunity. The first wave is always worse in terms of mortality. I think evolution works both in the virus and in the immune system to produce that outcome. Later, when the virus has been around for a long time, mortality fluctuates up and down while remaining at manageable levels.
The key point is maximal immune strength coupled with exposure.It is much better to get the virus at home, where you eat and sleep so as to maximize your immune response. Other things that strengthen your immune system are high vitamin D, and near carnivore diet with some greens and nuts which I practice. If your blood sugar is low, those parasitic infections that ultimately kill you do not thrive, because bacteria and fungi feed off sugars (cancerous cells too). And nutrients that boost your system prevail in animal foods. I have been flu free since I moved to this regimen, while my sinuses cleared after decades of mucus.
I think I got MERS in Saudi Arabia in May 2013, and it was the sickest I have been in 10 years in part because I was traveling (I was also still high carb then). But people with a strong immune system survive plagues. Black death mass graves, excavated, showed the victims had rickets and other signs of malnutrition in the bones, implying that the plague was killing the weakest/most malnourished members of London, just like the flu today. We see the same today with diabetics, smokers, and people living in horribly polluted areas. Some environmental aspects individuals can not improve on, but individual responsibility plays a role in dying or not dying. And it is more about improving your fitness than practicing social distancing.
Trump is the enemy. Anti Trump Patriots don’t need to provide a alternative, and a faction of Trumpers(Qtards) want him to declare martial law so he can get the “bad guys”.
Austerity on the people, this hoax and its sado-masochistic technocratic bureaucratic control is characteristic of the climate change hoax. The grey men in suits on various levels, institutional and political, and various dictatorial and attention hungry fanatics imposing their sadism, locking people at home, depriving them of their basic human physical and emotional needs. These are now coming out of their caves preaching their gospel of secular dictatorship, lead by a priesthood of experts, cracking down on what are natural needs…
Ask yourself, are you a man, or are you a mouse, hyper-regulated democratic man… guided by grey men in monkey suits, fantast priest journalists, and expert attention-whores, made to fear an invisible enemy.., made to fear a climatological apocalypse.. whatever credulity, ignorance, fanaticism and slavishness may buy into…
His star should be brown.
What we know about viruses is probably wrong
Apparently, he’s campaigning for a gold star. If he gets one, he won’t be the only gold star awardee on my ignore list.
True. What is being fabricated is the single common cause of death. Canspeccy has been trolling several sites that I visit for years, using the same nitpicking faux logic he displays here.
Adding to that, US CDC was claiming to have no test kits, while trumpeting numbers of infections and deaths that couldn’t have been based on the results of testing. At this point it’s immaterial whether or not there even exists some doomsday virus.
Just look at the source for all the panic mongering: the same bunch who were screeching about Russian election interference and presidential malfeasance, both memes having the same amount of proof, zero, as the current panic meme.
Of course, in the case at hand, I also know that this is just the seasonal flu, and look forward to building immunity.
That’s all good and well but should you ever test positive for the coronavirus, in say some future random testing or when visiting a doctor for a prescription to deal with a fever, flu, cold, sore throat, cough, diarrhea, you will be strictly quarantined for two weeks and not given permission to go out at all.
And I’m not sure you can build immunity to the flu, or the coronavirus. If you could, I’d have caught the flu only once in my life and never again, instead of almost every year. Some people catch the flu several times in a season and not just once, and I’m sure there’s been years when I caught it a couple of times. I don’t know where this talk about “herd immunity” is coming from – apparently some medical professionals who should know better than I do. But if we could build immunity to the cold or flu by catching it (and coronavirus is similar) then surely by now most of us would be immune and not require vaccinations (not saying they’re completely effective either).
Utu’s numbers are bullshit because he does not provide, at a minimum, a standard deviation of the data from which the mean (“base rate”) is obtained. I assume he is simply regurgitating a MSM source and once again demonstrating his innumeracy (see his inane comments on Newton’s Laws elsewhere in the forum).
That seems fairly compelling although there is the problem that a comparison is being made with the average death rate for the United States and the current Covid-enhanced death rate of New York state. So if New Yorkers are incredibly young or long-lived compared with the rest of the US population, then the base rate of 456 deaths per day could be an overestimate. But that seems an improbably explanation. No doubt there are other data sets that would clarify this issue conclusively, but citing conspiracy theorists without real numbers is pretty much a waste of time, as you will surely agree. Furthermore, that (a) some care homes for the elderly are being more or less cleaned out by the virus in a matter of weeks, and (b) care home deaths account for a large proportion of reported covid19 deaths strongly suggests that there must be a detectable excess death count. That, however, is not to say that there is a good cause to shut down the economy. Rather, as I have argued elsewhere, it is a good reason to shut down badly managed care homes:The Corona Virus and Care Homes That KillReplies: @CanSpeccy
... with 8.5 death per thousand 7615 Americans die every day. But look at NY state which is the coronavirus epidemic hotspot. NY state with 6% of the US population has 456 deaths per day. Now look at coronavirus daily deaths in NY state in last several days:4/3 462
4/2 562
4/1 432
3/31 391
3/30 332Are you saying that everybody who died in New York state whether a baby who was still born, or a middle age guy who had a heart attack or cancer or car accident was drafted to be on the list of victims of coronavirus? Are you saying this is just an accounting trick? And now when the daily deaths exceed the statistical floor of 456 deaths per day for the NY state will you claim that NY state is borrowing corpses from other states or Canada or are they going to be killing people to generate their fancy exponential curve?
It is late here, I am tired, and I am not sure that the logic just set forth is correct. Allow me, therefore, to try once more.
If New York State’s March mortality rate is not vastly different from the US year-round monthly mortality rate, then the numbers Utu presented imply one of two things:
(1) that virtually every death in NY during March 2020 was attributed to Covid19; or
(2) that Covid19 caused a large number of excess March 2020 deaths in NY.
Of the alternatives, the first is totally improbable, therefore the second is probably correct. There are however other alternatives. For example, if New York State’s March mortality is usually several times the year-round national mortality rate, then Utu’s numbers would be consistent with no excess deaths but half of all deaths attributed to Covid19, which would be weird and evidence perhaps of medical complicity in a conspiracy to deceive. There is a need for more real data.
What you are saying is widely believed and I would be fascinated to see hard evidence that resolves the claim. But the only relevant evidence I have seen is that quoted by Utu, which points the other way. Specifically:
… with 8.5 death per thousand 7615 Americans die every day. But look at NY state which is the coronavirus epidemic hotspot. NY state with 6% of the US population has 456 deaths per day. Now look at coronavirus daily deaths in NY state in last several days:
4/3 462
4/2 562
4/1 432
3/31 391
3/30 332Are you saying that everybody who died in New York state whether a baby who was still born, or a middle age guy who had a heart attack or cancer or car accident was drafted to be on the list of victims of coronavirus? Are you saying this is just an accounting trick? And now when the daily deaths exceed the statistical floor of 456 deaths per day for the NY state will you claim that NY state is borrowing corpses from other states or Canada or are they going to be killing people to generate their fancy exponential curve?
That seems fairly compelling although there is the problem that a comparison is being made with the average death rate for the United States and the current Covid-enhanced death rate of New York state. So if New Yorkers are incredibly young or long-lived compared with the rest of the US population, then the base rate of 456 deaths per day could be an overestimate. But that seems an improbably explanation.
No doubt there are other data sets that would clarify this issue conclusively, but citing conspiracy theorists without real numbers is pretty much a waste of time, as you will surely agree.
Furthermore, that (a) some care homes for the elderly are being more or less cleaned out by the virus in a matter of weeks, and (b) care home deaths account for a large proportion of reported covid19 deaths strongly suggests that there must be a detectable excess death count.
That, however, is not to say that there is a good cause to shut down the economy. Rather, as I have argued elsewhere, it is a good reason to shut down badly managed care homes:
I see now why you post in support of utu.
That’s a silly remark. I quoted Utu, I did not support him. Specifically I gave a link to some data he presented. If you are too idle to click the link, that is your problem, not mine.
Whether the numbers Utu cited are correct, I cannot confirm, but I see no reason to suppose that Utu is either lying or that he was unduly careless in what he asserted. Generally, he seems to take trouble to be accurately informed.
Actually, on another thread, they were. Hence Utu's resp0nse that I quoted above.
No one’s saying bodies are being “pulled out of thin air”...
Yes, but when the current New York death rate is running at approximately twice the normal daily average, there's good reason to suppose than a new factor is at work, a factor supposed quite reasonably to be the novel corona virus. In fact, I think talk of "dying WITH the corona virus vs dying FROM the corona virus" is misleading. If the corona virus causes the death of someone who would have died next week anyway, it is still a death of which the corona virus was the proximate cause and hence the cause properly recorded on the death certificate. What is needed is recognition that, because it mainly kills already sick old people, the corona virus does not greatly reduce healthy life expectancy. Thus, while reporting total covid19 deaths, medical authorities would do well to report the impact of such deaths on overall productive life expectancy, an impact that would be very small indeed. It would then be obvious that killing the economy is an insane response to the virus. Unfortunately doctors are not well trained in science and generally do not think in scientific or economic terms. Rather, they like to inflate the perceived impact of the virus and thus enhance their image as heroic and intrepic warriors battling a horrendously dangerous foe.Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty, @Beefcake the Mighty, @9/11 Inside job
... the issue is that there’s a huge difference between dying WITH Corona vs dying FROM Corona.
renegadetribune.com : “US pneumonia deaths have PLUMMETED in 2020 – mortality now attributed to COVID-19 ” One commenter, I believe from Croatia, stated that in his country if you were killed in a car accident the cause of death was listed as COVID-19 . In New York a nurse confirmed that in her hospital deaths from pneumonia were being attributed to COVID-19 . Jim Fetzer explains it all in :
“How to create a fake pandemic ” jamesfetzer.org
Sorry, I gave the wrong link. Here's what Twodees said “Covid19 is killing so many because”… Someone on TV says so. Since a test is being used that cannot identify any particular virus, then these numbers of infected and numbers of deaths are, in effect, being pulled out of thin air. So he claimed, I was accepting the reality of deaths being pulled out of thin air. But Utu's statistics, which no one has challenged, prove otherwise.
I see absolutely nothing in your linked comment claiming that deaths are being fabricated (“thin air”).
How then do you describe the death of a someone with progressive kidney failure, a wonky heart and cancer who is shot through the head by a housebreaker.
Much of the rest of your comment is just hair-splitting, e.g. it’s ridiculous to characterize Corona as the “proximate cause of death” in a person with serious existing conditions
This is a dishonest response. The post you now link to merely states that the media is reporting deaths of people who happen to test positive for the virus, not whether the virus was the primary cause of death. And this is clearly the case. Nothing in that comment can be construed as implying the reported deaths are fabricated.
I see now why you post in support of utu.
That's a silly remark. I quoted Utu, I did not support him. Specifically I gave a link to some data he presented. If you are too idle to click the link, that is your problem, not mine.
I see now why you post in support of utu.
The data I linked to were those provided by Utu. If you need details, please consult him on the thread I linked to.Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
when you claim that the daily death rate is twice the historical average, what is the corresponding standard deviation of the death rate? Do you have any time series you can share?
I’m not aware of what data you linked to, and I’m not about to track down anything utu posted, as he’s a known idiot. I simply want to see the data you’re basing your claim on, because simply saying something doubled does not establish statistical significance. Hence my question about standard deviations. Do you have the data, or not?
Agreed. The demographic hole left by the coronavirus panic is going to be visible for a lifetime. Birthrates were already crashing before this started. Now, they will crater.
We’ll need a cool new name for the generation born from 2020 to 2030. I suggest Generation Zero, since there’ll be so few of them. Or maybe Generation Nil. Or the Missing Generation.
And yes, the long-term effects will be devastating.
when you claim that the daily death rate is twice the historical average, what is the corresponding standard deviation of the death rate? Do you have any time series you can share?
The data I linked to were those provided by Utu. If you need details, please consult him on the thread I linked to.
I see absolutely nothing in your linked comment claiming that deaths are being fabricated (“thin air”).
Sorry, I gave the wrong link. Here’s what Twodees said “Covid19 is killing so many because”… Someone on TV says so. Since a test is being used that cannot identify any particular virus, then these numbers of infected and numbers of deaths are, in effect, being pulled out of thin air. So he claimed, I was accepting the reality of deaths being pulled out of thin air. But Utu’s statistics, which no one has challenged, prove otherwise.
As for:
Much of the rest of your comment is just hair-splitting, e.g. it’s ridiculous to characterize Corona as the “proximate cause of death” in a person with serious existing conditions
How then do you describe the death of a someone with progressive kidney failure, a wonky heart and cancer who is shot through the head by a housebreaker.
Would you say they died of multiple organ failure with a bullet through the brain?
Obviously not. So, no, I am not hair splitting. I am pointing out what an honest medical practitioner must put on a death certificate.
If you want to say that the gunshot victim would have been dead in a week anyway, fine, but still an honest doctor will declare that they died of a gunshot wound.
What I said was that reports of covid19 deaths should be accompanied by information about the impact on population-wide life expectancy and life quality, which it appears is slight and therefore no justification for shutting down the economy.
Let me guess, you saw the “bodies” on TV.
I don’t have a TV.
To be precise it is not the deaths that are fabricated, White Helmets style (now that I think of it, those piles of bodies in Ecuador perhaps are), but the statistics. In Europe total mortality does not increase but CV deaths do increase at the expenses of other causes of deaths. There are fewer death certificates for cancer and diabetes and other common causes.
I am going to go out on a limb and predict that USA and Europe CV deaths will never exceed the normal mortality rate, since it is just the flu and they can not assign more than 100% of the dead to CV.
Of note, assigning (in the US) every pneumonia death to the flu has been ongoing for years, and a simple and lucrative technique for the vaccine industry.
Amen Wally. I note that these rational Chinese hunger to live among the low IQ and irrational people of North America. That is the main reason why there are sometimes several Chinatowns in every city. It is also the reason why these people resort to every type of immigration fraud to immigrate to the west to live and to attend our universities to be taught by low IQ irrational professors. The Chinaman probably got here by inducing a Chinese gang to smuggle him and 2 dozen other family members hidden in a cargo container on a ship and then had to work as a Chinatown slave along with all his homies and female relatives to pay off his debt to the boys. How is that for a low IQ and irrationality ?
The crap this guy generally writes defies basic logic. and these are the people who are supposedly intelligent. My advice to the Chinaman : Stop eating deep fried dog. Your logic will improve.
…white people have an illogical and irrational aversion to them, to the point that they would physically assault someone who wears masks. May be some of you can enlighten me to the psychological basis behind it.
They remind us of bandits in the Wild Wild West of the movies.
Actually, on another thread, they were. Hence Utu's resp0nse that I quoted above.
No one’s saying bodies are being “pulled out of thin air”...
Yes, but when the current New York death rate is running at approximately twice the normal daily average, there's good reason to suppose than a new factor is at work, a factor supposed quite reasonably to be the novel corona virus. In fact, I think talk of "dying WITH the corona virus vs dying FROM the corona virus" is misleading. If the corona virus causes the death of someone who would have died next week anyway, it is still a death of which the corona virus was the proximate cause and hence the cause properly recorded on the death certificate. What is needed is recognition that, because it mainly kills already sick old people, the corona virus does not greatly reduce healthy life expectancy. Thus, while reporting total covid19 deaths, medical authorities would do well to report the impact of such deaths on overall productive life expectancy, an impact that would be very small indeed. It would then be obvious that killing the economy is an insane response to the virus. Unfortunately doctors are not well trained in science and generally do not think in scientific or economic terms. Rather, they like to inflate the perceived impact of the virus and thus enhance their image as heroic and intrepic warriors battling a horrendously dangerous foe.Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty, @Beefcake the Mighty, @9/11 Inside job
... the issue is that there’s a huge difference between dying WITH Corona vs dying FROM Corona.
BTW, when you claim that the daily death rate is twice the historical average, what is the corresponding standard deviation of the death rate? Do you have any time series you can share?
The data I linked to were those provided by Utu. If you need details, please consult him on the thread I linked to.Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
when you claim that the daily death rate is twice the historical average, what is the corresponding standard deviation of the death rate? Do you have any time series you can share?
Actually, on another thread, they were. Hence Utu's resp0nse that I quoted above.
No one’s saying bodies are being “pulled out of thin air”...
Yes, but when the current New York death rate is running at approximately twice the normal daily average, there's good reason to suppose than a new factor is at work, a factor supposed quite reasonably to be the novel corona virus. In fact, I think talk of "dying WITH the corona virus vs dying FROM the corona virus" is misleading. If the corona virus causes the death of someone who would have died next week anyway, it is still a death of which the corona virus was the proximate cause and hence the cause properly recorded on the death certificate. What is needed is recognition that, because it mainly kills already sick old people, the corona virus does not greatly reduce healthy life expectancy. Thus, while reporting total covid19 deaths, medical authorities would do well to report the impact of such deaths on overall productive life expectancy, an impact that would be very small indeed. It would then be obvious that killing the economy is an insane response to the virus. Unfortunately doctors are not well trained in science and generally do not think in scientific or economic terms. Rather, they like to inflate the perceived impact of the virus and thus enhance their image as heroic and intrepic warriors battling a horrendously dangerous foe.Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty, @Beefcake the Mighty, @9/11 Inside job
... the issue is that there’s a huge difference between dying WITH Corona vs dying FROM Corona.
I see absolutely nothing in your linked comment claiming that deaths are being fabricated (“thin air”). Much of the rest of your comment is just hair-splitting, e.g. it’s ridiculous to characterize Corona as the “proximate cause of death” in a person with serious existing conditions, as if Corona is the centerpiece of that medical story.
Sorry, I gave the wrong link. Here's what Twodees said “Covid19 is killing so many because”… Someone on TV says so. Since a test is being used that cannot identify any particular virus, then these numbers of infected and numbers of deaths are, in effect, being pulled out of thin air. So he claimed, I was accepting the reality of deaths being pulled out of thin air. But Utu's statistics, which no one has challenged, prove otherwise.
I see absolutely nothing in your linked comment claiming that deaths are being fabricated (“thin air”).
How then do you describe the death of a someone with progressive kidney failure, a wonky heart and cancer who is shot through the head by a housebreaker.
Much of the rest of your comment is just hair-splitting, e.g. it’s ridiculous to characterize Corona as the “proximate cause of death” in a person with serious existing conditions
Except that you cannot pull bodies out of thin air, and as Utu points out on another thread, real bodies are piling up that seem impossible to dismiss other than as caused by the Corona virus. Or to quote the argument in full:
Someone on TV says so. Since a test is being used that cannot identify any particular virus, then these numbers of infected and numbers of deaths are, in effect, being pulled out of thin air.
And speaking of deadly care homes in Canada, here's a striking headline: <a href="https://www.zerohedge.com/health/no-hope-canadas-nursing-homes-prepare-mass-deathNo Hope: Canada's Nursing Homes Prepare For Mass Death"Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty, @Twodees Partain
“Hundreds of Americans die every week…” – Actually, with 8.5 death per thousand 7615 Americans die every day. But look at NY state which is the coronavirus epidemic hotspot. NY state with 6% of the US population has 456 deaths per day. Now look at coronavirus daily deaths in NY state in last several days:4/3 462
4/2 562
4/1 432
3/31 391
3/30 332Are you saying that everybody who died in New York state whether a baby who was still born, or a middle age guy who had a heart attack or cancer or car accident was drafted to be on the list of victims of coronavirus? Are you saying this is just an accounting trick? And now when the daily deaths exceed the statistical floor of 456 deaths per day for the NY state will you claim that NY state is borrowing corpses from other states or Canada or are they going to be killing people to generate their fancy exponential curve?
Let me guess, you saw the “bodies” on TV. Utu has been on my ignore list for a year or so. Nothing he reports is credible.
I don't have a TV.
Let me guess, you saw the “bodies” on TV.
I suspect that in NYC, a man killed by a train will be counted as a corona death if fewer than 12 witnesses capture the accident on their phones.
I am an euro and I have an aversion for masks. I will wear one if I am cutting concrete or painting the inside of a house, but otherwise I prefer to breathe freely. Of course, in the case at hand, I also know that this is just the seasonal flu, and look forward to building immunity.
That's all good and well but should you ever test positive for the coronavirus, in say some future random testing or when visiting a doctor for a prescription to deal with a fever, flu, cold, sore throat, cough, diarrhea, you will be strictly quarantined for two weeks and not given permission to go out at all.
Of course, in the case at hand, I also know that this is just the seasonal flu, and look forward to building immunity.
said:
“Asians wore masks and white people have an illogical and irrational aversion to them, to the point that they would physically assault someone who wears masks.”
– You’re a liar.
– There is no aversion among Euro-whites to wearing masks to protect their health.
– I challenge you to show us Euro-whites assaulting Asians for wearing a mask.
you also said:
“The fact that such common sense preventive measures is rejected by the populace in the west, to their own detriment, say much about the average IQ And irrationality of these people.”
– You mean the west where so many Asians have fled to and now reside.
No one’s saying bodies are being “pulled out of thin air”…
Actually, on another thread, they were. Hence Utu’s resp0nse that I quoted above.
… the issue is that there’s a huge difference between dying WITH Corona vs dying FROM Corona.
Yes, but when the current New York death rate is running at approximately twice the normal daily average, there’s good reason to suppose than a new factor is at work, a factor supposed quite reasonably to be the novel corona virus.
In fact, I think talk of “dying WITH the corona virus vs dying FROM the corona virus” is misleading. If the corona virus causes the death of someone who would have died next week anyway, it is still a death of which the corona virus was the proximate cause and hence the cause properly recorded on the death certificate.
What is needed is recognition that, because it mainly kills already sick old people, the corona virus does not greatly reduce healthy life expectancy. Thus, while reporting total covid19 deaths, medical authorities would do well to report the impact of such deaths on overall productive life expectancy, an impact that would be very small indeed. It would then be obvious that killing the economy is an insane response to the virus.
Unfortunately doctors are not well trained in science and generally do not think in scientific or economic terms. Rather, they like to inflate the perceived impact of the virus and thus enhance their image as heroic and intrepic warriors battling a horrendously dangerous foe.
My parents are solid working class background, my mother is smarter than my father and he told me that and her lack of a 'past' was part of what attracted him, although I doubt her looks--or his--were any hindrance to them getting together.My nephew is a high tech engineer and living with a girl who does the same job he does. Opportunities for that kind of associative mating would not have existed a few generations ago. The intellectual elite may be getting nerdier and fewer in number with advanced education's effect in diminishing the number of children a woman has. I do wonder if the knowledge class are perhaps increasing in G even as they become fewer. I believe Charles Murray is of the opinion that a sort of caste system is forming in the West. The population as a whole could be declining in intelligence alongside a rise in the intelligence at the top.There is tremendous respect for advanced qualifications in Germany, I think there may be an especially large genetic G gain among the German elite even as it declines. A defence freeloader, Germany certainly seems to have the best model for coping with the type of crisis that is unfolding, having more intensive care hospital places per head of the population than any country in the world. Being an MD in Germany is like being a teacher in Finland: it is so tremendously prestigious that only the best and brightest need apply. Meanwhile other Western countries having spent on military white elephant adventurism have been caught with their pants down. I don't know that Rindermann is speaking from any kind of hereditarian standpoint. I rather doubt it because German professors are very much answerable to the government, and have to watch what they say.Replies: @The Grim Joker
When I was a kid, most adults did not go beyond high school. My mother left after Grade 10. Yet they were very knowledgeable and read considerably. My mother had a small library of fiction and nonfiction books and could discuss a wide range of topics.
Very thoughtful and insightful comment. By the time I was 14 I had read all of Charles Dickens, the Conquest of the Incas, The Conquest of Mexico, Maupassant in French and a host of Spanish authors in Spanish. At 3 pm every day I had track and field, at 4 cricket and 5 soccer. Saturdays and Sundays were spent swimming or biking. We had a German guy who scorned traditional track and field and constructed with his own money an obstacle course that was demanding and exhausting. He heaped abuse on us when we made a mistake in technique or did not complete each phase within time. Not that I was an outstanding student or ultra athletic, there were others who were far more brilliant and strong but there was just nothing else to do. No TV, no cell phones, no FB or social media and no video games, no Malls to hang out in. The schools I went to taught students to THINK, there was no multiple choice exam. Teachers used canes and for those who flouted the rules there was detention, kneeling in front of the class, lines, PT and cleaning up the school yard. Self pity was never tolerated.
At home meals were at a certain hour at a properly laid table and if you showed up late or improperly dressed you swallowed your saliva and waited until next meal time. At the table you were expected to sit erect, elbows off the table, arms tucked in and to chew slowly. Proper use of a knife and fork was expected and there was that special technique of using a spoon when drinking soup, no raising the bowl to your mouth and slurping up the remains. One look from my Father and you melted in your boots. Even today, my mother will not under any circumstances eat in a car, on the couch, in a restaurant or on a sloppily laid table.
None of this did me any harm and I was and am no worse off for it. Looking back, I am supremely thankful for the experience. I was a boy and this made me a man. These days there are boys and the coddling make them babies.
Call all this snobbish but bad habits once formed in any area permeate to others. These days I see people guzzling food while walking, the phone in the other hand, slurping drinks from a straw, eating and drinking in their cars while driving and in the restaurants literally shovelling the food into their mouths as if the meal was going to run away and throwing food containers on the roads and freeways. Belching and farting also seems to be the in thing and elicits at times a great deal of amusement, encouragement and even competition.
Today, the youth are nonchalant about education. It is fashionable to be so ! Basic math, reading, writing and comprehension skills are for the most part non existent. Those with advanced degrees from the Ivy League institutions or University seem even more dumb and clueless than high school dropouts. They get a pass from the Professors because their Daddies donate to the institution, because they showed up for classes and because if the Professor failed the lot he would be blamed for being a “bad” lecturer. I listen to the conversations of University students and they talk absolute drivel and those with advanced degrees cannot spell or tell the difference between “their” and “there” of “here, hare, hair” among words that sound the same.
The rubbish I see touted today as intelligent would have made my parents and grandparents who never went past high school laugh in derision. The disrespect for parents is astounding. I cannot tell you how many times I have seen and heard children as young as 10 call their mothers bitches and their fathers pricks. If I had used that language to mine I would have suffered severe whiplash from the slap I would have received across my face. Today that would be child abuse !
We live in a new world I am told, the modern world and all those old fashioned traits and traditions are shite. Really ?
That is why in the Joker’s opinion we are where we are with the youth uneducated, unable to think and weak in mind and body. The same for the educated elite and the general public unable to put two and two together. I ponder where we have come from as a society and shudder to think about where we are going.
Probably I was wrong in saying COVFEFE equals COVID-19 , it might be better to say that it equals Coronavirus .I stumbled upon the COVFEFE answer at reddit.com/r/conspiracy/
The COV part of the word is an abbreviation for Coronavirus and is confirmed by the Merriam -Webster dictionary.
FEFE is a hydrogenase “…essentially FeFe has been used in processes for the creation of bactrium, RNA or viral strands ”
The commenter on Reddit says Covfefe is a misspelling of COVID-19 , I am not sure that is the correct analysis . Sean Spicer , Trump’s press secretary at the time , said it was not a misspelling and that a small group of people knew what it meant . Someone else speculated that Trump had been briefed on the Coronavirus planned-demic and COVFEFE became part of a tweet as a result of that.
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The only statistically-significant ‘cull’ is that of our citizen’s expectations of leadership and civil liberties.
Do people really still have expectations of leadership? The economy though, is clearly being culled as we write, but could we be next?
Perhaps, of major interest for all of us will be the COVID-19 vaccine, that might soon be ready for its inevitable grand entrance. These are very exciting times.
I wish I had the answers. My brother saw the unrest in the market coming and exited completely by the end of January. BTW, I lived in Los Altos back in the day of tube technology, from 1960 to early 1966. My wife is a 1976 Stanford grad. I think you know the area.
Except that you cannot pull bodies out of thin air, and as Utu points out on another thread, real bodies are piling up that seem impossible to dismiss other than as caused by the Corona virus. Or to quote the argument in full:
Someone on TV says so. Since a test is being used that cannot identify any particular virus, then these numbers of infected and numbers of deaths are, in effect, being pulled out of thin air.
And speaking of deadly care homes in Canada, here's a striking headline: <a href="https://www.zerohedge.com/health/no-hope-canadas-nursing-homes-prepare-mass-deathNo Hope: Canada's Nursing Homes Prepare For Mass Death"Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty, @Twodees Partain
“Hundreds of Americans die every week…” – Actually, with 8.5 death per thousand 7615 Americans die every day. But look at NY state which is the coronavirus epidemic hotspot. NY state with 6% of the US population has 456 deaths per day. Now look at coronavirus daily deaths in NY state in last several days:4/3 462
4/2 562
4/1 432
3/31 391
3/30 332Are you saying that everybody who died in New York state whether a baby who was still born, or a middle age guy who had a heart attack or cancer or car accident was drafted to be on the list of victims of coronavirus? Are you saying this is just an accounting trick? And now when the daily deaths exceed the statistical floor of 456 deaths per day for the NY state will you claim that NY state is borrowing corpses from other states or Canada or are they going to be killing people to generate their fancy exponential curve?
No one’s saying bodies are being “pulled out of thin air”, the issue is that there’s a huge difference between dying WITH Corona vs dying FROM Corona. The government and media are not making that distinction in their reporting and announcements.
Actually, on another thread, they were. Hence Utu's resp0nse that I quoted above.
No one’s saying bodies are being “pulled out of thin air”...
Yes, but when the current New York death rate is running at approximately twice the normal daily average, there's good reason to suppose than a new factor is at work, a factor supposed quite reasonably to be the novel corona virus. In fact, I think talk of "dying WITH the corona virus vs dying FROM the corona virus" is misleading. If the corona virus causes the death of someone who would have died next week anyway, it is still a death of which the corona virus was the proximate cause and hence the cause properly recorded on the death certificate. What is needed is recognition that, because it mainly kills already sick old people, the corona virus does not greatly reduce healthy life expectancy. Thus, while reporting total covid19 deaths, medical authorities would do well to report the impact of such deaths on overall productive life expectancy, an impact that would be very small indeed. It would then be obvious that killing the economy is an insane response to the virus. Unfortunately doctors are not well trained in science and generally do not think in scientific or economic terms. Rather, they like to inflate the perceived impact of the virus and thus enhance their image as heroic and intrepic warriors battling a horrendously dangerous foe.Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty, @Beefcake the Mighty, @9/11 Inside job
... the issue is that there’s a huge difference between dying WITH Corona vs dying FROM Corona.
Birthrates were already crashing before this started. Now, they will crater.
Unless we have a tremendous property crash, in which case young people may get the idea of buying a family home and starting a family.
And with all those house-hogging boomers carried off by the virus, a property crash is a real possibility. As Shakespeare said, It’s an ill virus that does no man any good.
Someone on TV says so. Since a test is being used that cannot identify any particular virus, then these numbers of infected and numbers of deaths are, in effect, being pulled out of thin air.
Except that you cannot pull bodies out of thin air, and as Utu points out on another thread, real bodies are piling up that seem impossible to dismiss other than as caused by the Corona virus.
Or to quote the argument in full:
“Hundreds of Americans die every week…” – Actually, with 8.5 death per thousand 7615 Americans die every day. But look at NY state which is the coronavirus epidemic hotspot. NY state with 6% of the US population has 456 deaths per day. Now look at coronavirus daily deaths in NY state in last several days:
4/3 462
4/2 562
4/1 432
3/31 391
3/30 332Are you saying that everybody who died in New York state whether a baby who was still born, or a middle age guy who had a heart attack or cancer or car accident was drafted to be on the list of victims of coronavirus? Are you saying this is just an accounting trick? And now when the daily deaths exceed the statistical floor of 456 deaths per day for the NY state will you claim that NY state is borrowing corpses from other states or Canada or are they going to be killing people to generate their fancy exponential curve?
And speaking of deadly care homes in Canada, here’s a striking headline:
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Exactly. If you die from any number of possible morbidities but test positive for a trace of the virus (which is all the test does, it’s not meant to confirm viral causation, as the test’s creator emphasized repeatedly in the context of the HIV-AIDS hoax), you magically become a “Corona death”.
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No. You've covered just about every Tin Foil Hat Brigade topic I can think of.Replies: @Twodees Partain
Have I left anything out?
OK, doomer.
I'd be surprised if they didn't.
I would not be surprised if suicides soar.
Dford, you are so right. Many seniors are hiding out under the bed wrapped up in plastic and insulated by packets of toilet paper. One old lady I know wears a mask in her house even though she lives alone. However, I walk every afternoon at 6 pm with an Australian guy a real crusty individual. I always get a good laugh from him. He told me for one example ” Americans always say have an awesome day. Mate, we Aussies never say that because we dont give a shit what kind of day you have!”
Another one :” God has a book. When he turns to the current date and your name is on that page, virus or no virus, its your backside Mate”.
This guy in now in his nineties, no pot belly, works out in 2 x 20 minute sessions every day plus a one mile walk and watches his diet and is so erect he looks like he had a ramrod shoved up his arse. People just do not seem to understand that proper diet, exercise and being outdoor is the prevention of so many diseases both physical and mental. Being self locked up and isolated with nothing to do and nowhere to go, brooding over the latest Corona statistics and doomsday scenario must do things to a person’s mind.
“Covid19 is killing so many because”… Someone on TV says so. Since a test is being used that cannot identify any particular virus, then these numbers of infected and numbers of deaths are, in effect, being pulled out of thin air.
If they can get you asking the wrong questions……
Except that you cannot pull bodies out of thin air, and as Utu points out on another thread, real bodies are piling up that seem impossible to dismiss other than as caused by the Corona virus. Or to quote the argument in full:
Someone on TV says so. Since a test is being used that cannot identify any particular virus, then these numbers of infected and numbers of deaths are, in effect, being pulled out of thin air.
And speaking of deadly care homes in Canada, here's a striking headline: <a href="https://www.zerohedge.com/health/no-hope-canadas-nursing-homes-prepare-mass-deathNo Hope: Canada's Nursing Homes Prepare For Mass Death"Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty, @Twodees Partain
“Hundreds of Americans die every week…” – Actually, with 8.5 death per thousand 7615 Americans die every day. But look at NY state which is the coronavirus epidemic hotspot. NY state with 6% of the US population has 456 deaths per day. Now look at coronavirus daily deaths in NY state in last several days:4/3 462
4/2 562
4/1 432
3/31 391
3/30 332Are you saying that everybody who died in New York state whether a baby who was still born, or a middle age guy who had a heart attack or cancer or car accident was drafted to be on the list of victims of coronavirus? Are you saying this is just an accounting trick? And now when the daily deaths exceed the statistical floor of 456 deaths per day for the NY state will you claim that NY state is borrowing corpses from other states or Canada or are they going to be killing people to generate their fancy exponential curve?
11. Let the world turn against the yellow rats and nuke it back to the Stone Age!
Yes, it goes back at least that far.
I'll take a wild guess. I'll say it's western arrogance. Westerners think Asians are inferior and perhaps not quite human and they also think Asians are dastardly villains. They think masks are OK for Asians because Asians are just sort of like human insects.
Asians wore masks and white people have an illogical and irrational aversion to them, to the point that they would physically assault someone who wears masks. May be some of you can enlighten me to the psychological basis behind it.
Dford..you are a silver tongued flatterer !
“In general, almost one million people in Germany die every year, roughly the same number of deaths caused by the Second World War each year in Germany.” That is the kind of statement I would expect to hear from a German, so we can bemoan the “27,000,000” (or now 50,000,000 according to what President Trump said the other day) Russians that supposedly were killed by the Germans and the 6 million Jews made into bars of soap and lampshades. All of the figures the German government and its mainstream press propagate are false, deliberately kept far lower than what really happened so they serve the foreign interests these institutions represent (Germany’s former enemies), certainly not the German people.
Statements like that explain why a young Ukrainian would tell me last year that no Germans died in the war and then would cite how horribly the Jews were treated. It explains why a young Dutchman told me Berlin was hardly damaged in the war and why a young woman from Chemnitz told me Chemnitz hardly suffered any damage in the war. Like Germany in general, these cities were among the most heavily damaged in the war, worse than most of what the rest of Europe suffered and the same goes for the suffering population, which suffered more than any other country, but even after the war the allies killed millions of more Germans. The liars in the German government claim that only 25 thousand Germans were murdered at Dresden while original documents published by historian David Irving (who Austrians threw in jail for violating their censorship laws) show at least 135,000 Germans were murdered there and the actual number of dead could be as many as 400,000. The fact that Germany’s capital is dominated by a memorial to Jews (the leaders of its primary and most bloodthirsty enemy, the USSR) and grand and well preserved memorials all over eastern Germany to the mass raping, murderous Red Army while there is no memorial in all of Germany to the people that suffered more than anyone else in the war, the German people, just shows how farcical the figures Germany’s government and its media promote, including the one from the quote I cited above.
It's so blindingly obvious that the hysteria and the lockdowns are not going to raise the birth rate that I can't see how anyone could believe the nonsensical notion that we're going to have a baby boom.
It’s the same story in China, apparently. Lock-downs raised the number of applications for divorce without doing anything to raise the birthrate
Agreed. The demographic hole left by the coronavirus panic is going to be visible for a lifetime. Birthrates were already crashing before this started. Now, they will crater.
Unless we have a tremendous property crash, in which case young people may get the idea of buying a family home and starting a family.
Birthrates were already crashing before this started. Now, they will crater.
We'll need a cool new name for the generation born from 2020 to 2030. I suggest Generation Zero, since there'll be so few of them. Or maybe Generation Nil. Or the Missing Generation.And yes, the long-term effects will be devastating.
Agreed. The demographic hole left by the coronavirus panic is going to be visible for a lifetime. Birthrates were already crashing before this started. Now, they will crater.
There have been calls for sanitized rallies. Announce a regular, possibly daily fixed hours when people may by chance walk by at the same place in the center of your city. Carry a copy of your constitution, if possible, plus a cardboard which your demand that civil rights be protected. Carry protective gear if it should be mandatory in the place you are in. You may tell the police, if they stop you that you have left your home on an important mission, which is to protect your country from possible destruction of civil rights.
All rallies are banned, and, if they proceed at all, they must go underground, and hope that the police don’t break them up
You may tell the police, if they stop you that you have left your home on an important mission, which is to protect your country from possible destruction of civil rights.
They’ll arrest you. The media will demonise you. And they’ll use it demonise anyone who expresses dissent.
You’d be better off waiting for a while, until public sentiment starts to turn against the lockdowns. At the moment it would be an exercise in futility and probably counter-productive. At the moment the public is solidly behind the lockdowns because the public is terrified of the Plague and totally panic-stricken.
It’s a plot to destroy the economy of the entire world.
No, it’s stupidity, cowardice, hysteria and politicians desperately trying to save their own political careers. And mostly it’s media types doing what they do, generating hysteria.
I love a conspiracy theory as much as the next person but how does COVID-19 equal COVFEFE? (Yes, I confess to some failed amateur cryptography). The most obvious solution, considering the entire tweet, is that it’s merely COVERAGE misspelled.
It’s the same story in China, apparently. Lock-downs raised the number of applications for divorce without doing anything to raise the birthrate
It’s so blindingly obvious that the hysteria and the lockdowns are not going to raise the birth rate that I can’t see how anyone could believe the nonsensical notion that we’re going to have a baby boom.
I think it’s just more right-wing wishful thinking.
And given that whites in the West have reacted more hysterically to CV than anyone else it’s highly likely that white birth rates will collapse. And probably stay very low for several years.
Of course if the economy tanks the white birth rate will plummet even further.
Asians wore masks and white people have an illogical and irrational aversion to them, to the point that they would physically assault someone who wears masks. May be some of you can enlighten me to the psychological basis behind it.
I’ll take a wild guess. I’ll say it’s western arrogance. Westerners think Asians are inferior and perhaps not quite human and they also think Asians are dastardly villains. They think masks are OK for Asians because Asians are just sort of like human insects.
If they had to admit that Asians were right about masks and they were wrong it would be a terrible blow to their egos.
Article after article about how crazy those conspiracy nuts are, and how you shouldn’t listen to anything they say
The problem is that there really are a lot of crazy conspiracy nuts (and the corona virus thing has produced a bumper crop of lunatic conspiracy theories) and they’ve made it difficult for any sane dissenter to be taken seriously.
with the amount of people following the scientific advice, the number of replications of the little bug decreases substantially
You mean the advice of people like Dr Anthony Fauci who has been consistently incorrect about epidemics in the past? And professor Neil Ferguson who reduced his predicted fatalities by a factor of 10 after a few days?
There is no shortage of scientists who disagree with those two clowns but who are not media darlings. I wonder why?
Some governments showed competence. Many showed pathetic incompetence. The latter includes the US and the EU.
The key thing is that all of these countries moved quickly
4) coronavirus worked as a reality check: several governments demonstrated their competence, including China, South Korea, Russia, Singapore, Vietnam, whereas the ones that habitually teach others were shown to be pathetically incompetent.
I certainly agree with that.
I’m not sure that globalism is dead. It would be nice to think so but the globalists still hold all the effective power in the West. But maybe the rest of the world will be seriously questioning the globalist agenda.
Have I left anything out?
No. You’ve covered just about every Tin Foil Hat Brigade topic I can think of.
This over 65 boomer could not agree more. What is being done to our worlds economy is nothing short of criminal. The mental and physical destruction of the younger generations is also now underway. This "plan-demic" is about far more than some stupid virus, and is bringing our entire world down at a blinding speed. If not stopped we will all be living in a version Orwell's 1984.
How one can be inclined to think of stopping education and science to extend the life of 90-year-olds by a few months? All of them deserve our help and respect, but by targeted quarantine, not by paralyzing everyone.
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Despite strong demand for basic foods like dairy products amid the coronavirus pandemic, the milk supply chain has seen a host of disruptions that are preventing dairy farmers from getting their products to market.
Mass closures of restaurants and schools have forced a sudden shift from those wholesale food-service markets to retail grocery stores, creating logistical and packaging nightmares for plants processing milk, butter and cheese. Trucking companies that haul dairy products are scrambling to get enough drivers as some who fear the virus have stopped working. And sales to major dairy export markets have dried up as the food-service sector largely shuts down globally.
Trucking companies that haul dairy products are scrambling to get enough drivers as some who fear the virus have stopped working.
When the truck drivers stop trucking we’re really screwed. Big time. We’re looking at total economic and social collapse. You know, food riots and stuff like that that we never thought we’d see in a First World country.
We are likely to have a real problem with Corona Cowards in essential services refusing to work. And whether we like it or not truck drivers are just about the most essential service there is.
I would say on average intellectual ability is likely declining The average young person places more value on superficial things rather than being inner directed with intellectual attainment than previous generations. Being a nerd is anathema. Which is surely reflected in their choice of who to have children with.
When I was a kid, most adults did not go beyond high school. My mother left after Grade 10. Yet they were very knowledgeable and read considerably. My mother had a small library of fiction and nonfiction books and could discuss a wide range of topics.
My parents are solid working class background, my mother is smarter than my father and he told me that and her lack of a ‘past’ was part of what attracted him, although I doubt her looks–or his–were any hindrance to them getting together.
My nephew is a high tech engineer and living with a girl who does the same job he does. Opportunities for that kind of associative mating would not have existed a few generations ago. The intellectual elite may be getting nerdier and fewer in number with advanced education’s effect in diminishing the number of children a woman has. I do wonder if the knowledge class are perhaps increasing in G even as they become fewer. I believe Charles Murray is of the opinion that a sort of caste system is forming in the West. The population as a whole could be declining in intelligence alongside a rise in the intelligence at the top.
There is tremendous respect for advanced qualifications in Germany, I think there may be an especially large genetic G gain among the German elite even as it declines. A defence freeloader, Germany certainly seems to have the best model for coping with the type of crisis that is unfolding, having more intensive care hospital places per head of the population than any country in the world. Being an MD in Germany is like being a teacher in Finland: it is so tremendously prestigious that only the best and brightest need apply. Meanwhile other Western countries having spent on military white elephant adventurism have been caught with their pants down. I don’t know that Rindermann is speaking from any kind of hereditarian standpoint. I rather doubt it because German professors are very much answerable to the government, and have to watch what they say.
The parents exist for the children, not the other way around.
This is the western way of looking at things and a minority view considering that westerners are a small minority of the global population. In the East people have kids so that they will look after them when in their old age.
Instead of running global society into the ground, one has to protect and quarantine the risk groups.
In the West most old people were quarantined anyway in old people’s homes and retirement communities even before this coronavirus came about, and even when going on holidays on those cruise liners catering mainly for the old. Even many old people who live alone don’t socialise much and only go out to acquire the essentials. I don’t think many old people go to discos, bars, or congregate where the youth go. A few who live at home in extended families are exposed through family members. But why should any still firm and fit be deprived of getting fresh air and going for a walk in the park or even socialising if they wish to do so? They can take the risk and pay the price just like the reckless youth who engage in all sorts of hazardous behaviour. Some of the attitudes coming to the fore in this crisis stink of ageism under the guise of protecting “vulnerable groups”.
I would not be surprised if suicides soar.
I’d be surprised if they didn’t.
Not just suicides, but more deaths from substance abuse and in the case of the elderly lots of deaths from despair, fear and loneliness. We’re going to get a mental health pandemic out of this.
In Australia we’ve had a grand total of 34 deaths from COVID-19, but we’re still under virtual house arrest so it’s likely that deaths from hysteria-induced suicide and loneliness will outnumber deaths from the virus.
It’s not just the deaths that the hysteria will be responsible for but also long-term mental health problems and social disintegration. We’re going to be a much more miserable, much more lonely and much more fearful and paranoid population.
Of Canada’s 5 million plus over 65’s, only six or seven percent are in care facilities, yet those in care facilities account for almost half of Canada’s Covid19 deaths.
Clearly, then, if you want to be rid of Granny soon, put her in a care home.
Covid19 is killing so many because a few old people are incarcerated in care facilities and nursing homes where the staff bring the corona virus to work with them.
Among other things, this suggests that national differences in covid19 deaths likely depend in large part on differences in quality of care home management. Where, as in Canada, many care home workers are part-timers, probably on minimum wage and without fringe benefits, home inmates are exposed to an unnecessarily large number of employees, some of whom work part-time at more than one care home. Such conditions minimize professionalism among workers and maximize the risk of infection being introduced from the outside community into care homes and transmitted from one home to another.
Almost certainly mandatory unionization of care home workers would have spared Canada a large proportion of virus deaths. Instead of shedding crocodile tears for the elderly dead while imposing measures to destroy the economy, government ministers should be speaking about the need for care home reform.
You would think the WHO, CDC, and DR Fauic would tell us this...
Instead of running global society into a brick wall, one has to protect and quarantine the risk groups. Not closing schools and factories.
said:
“Trumpstien worshipers are calling for him to enact martial law and round up the “bad guys” when the (((people))) who put him in office see them as the bad guys.”
– You’re a simple minded liar in the grips of TDS.
– Those of us who recognized / recognize that Trump is much better than the alternatives “call for” nothing of the kind.
The “racist” “China virus” description that everyone used:
Establishment Media Repeatedly Used ‘Bigoted’ Phrases to Refer to the Coronavirus: https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/03/11/15-times-establishment-media-used-bigoted-phrases-to-refer-to-the-coronavirus/
Comrade Cuomo: years of taxpayer waste, amid deepening coronavirus crisis in New York
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/cuomo-critics-highlight-years-of-taxpayer-waste-and-mismanagement-deepening-the-coronavirus-crisis
The "alternatives" are all vetted by a private corporation (GOP or DNC) before being allowed to campaign, to say nothing of financial networks or media conglomerates. To paraphrase South Park, you get to choose between a giant douche and a turd sandwich.
Those of us who recognized / recognize that Trump is much better than the alternatives...
Agree, this all laid out in the book Under an Ionized Sky: From Chemtrails to Space Fence Lock Down by Elana Freeland and her site is elanafreeland.com, the book can be had on amazon.
Another site that deals with 5G and chemtrails is stopthecrime.net by Deborah Tavares and she has a youtube channel, both of these women are very very brave, for as Voltaire said; it is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong.
The zionists control both the media and the government and have since 1913 when the zionist owned FED took control of America and of course the zionists created their IRS, the two sides of the iron trap that closed on we goyim.
These links will give you great insight.
2.3 TRillion Dollars Missing from DOD Day before 9/11/ 2001
SEPTEMBER 10, 2001 Defense Business Practices
Secretary Rumsfeld and other officials talked with reporters about the need to refine the Defense Department’s business practices. An opening ceremony will kick off Acquisition and Logistics Excellence Week. They answered questions from members of the media
http://www.c-span.org/video/?165947-1/defense-business-practices
September 07, 2016 September 11, 2001: The 15th Anniversary of the Crime and Cover-up of the Century “What Really Happened”?
New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani to be trucked away and shipped to China – an order that constitutes disturbing a crime scene – which is a federal crime.
Celler and Javitz wrote the Immigration Act of 1965 and organized jewry lobbied for many years to have it passed. There were NO OTHER GROUPS PUSHING FOR OPEN BORDERS. ONLY JEWS.
Ted Kennedy was window dressing, a drunken stupid shabbos goy sellout that went along with his jewish masters.
Kevin Macdonald reveals an in depth study of this topic in Chapter Seven of the Culture of Critique, and he uses the Congressional Record as proof.
This same method continues today….jewish money pays for policies that are “good for the jews,”
policies that are detrimental to the goyim. In point of fact, it is nearly impossible to cite even ONE instance where white people have benefited from any government policy, while it is quite simple to cite numerous instances where jews have benefited from government policies. Jewish money fuels BOTH “sides,” Israel always gets massive assistance, non-whites get preference due to jewish influence and coercion, homosexuality and transexuality is forced onto the western world by jewish media, etc.etc.etc., I could write a ten page treatise on this from the top of my head but I’m not in the mood for it.
“..political decisions have many serious consequences, affecting the majority of people in the long term and affecting society as a whole…” <==thanks HR
Yet only a very few people were allowed access to the knowledge then known, allowed access to the narratives about what the politicians proposed to do, and even fewer were allowed access to the models that predicted what would happen (the massively strangling outcome) if this or that solution were sought.. . and imposed.. and no one not a part of the select few had any input at all.. Even now physicians are being fired for speaking out.
It is the nature of the nation state system that the most corrupt and the most anti humanistic among us, rise to the top of the political heap, yet it to those few corrupt and anti human beings, we the meek entrust our lives, allow to determine our futures, and follow as corrupt and inhumane lead us to a proper future for the generations yet to be born. <=such is nonsense.. and should not be tolerated. and demonstrates in technicolor the fallacy in any non open society political system. Maybe in the days before the Internet, when only important, high born people mattered, Neanderthal politics was acceptable, but in todays world it is not only objectionable but also highly destructive to human progress and human survival.
The first failing is homeland security <= get rid of those quacks now. In all of its quackery, Homeland Security either never planned for this eventually, or alternatively, the viral agent was its way of bringing the world to the knees of those in charge of the nation state system and its satellite nation states.
Mar 18, 2020 Fleet of white vans behind school
Wednesday, March 18th. First day schools are closed… Letter from school board member regarding the covert installation of 5g in schools.
Of course. Cheap oil allowed us to defy nature, physically (e.g., airplanes) and socially (e.g., feminism, niggerism, etc.). Either fast or slow, we are now going to see a reassertion of the values more normal to an energy-poorer world. Reality will grind all of these modern fantasies to dust, in particular the realities of local wars, hunger, thirst, and the need to belong to a tribe that you can rely on and that demands your allegiance and obedience.
Be sure and check this out.
Mar 16, 2020 CONFIRMED! 5G Forced Installation In Schools Nationwide During COVID-19 Lockdown
Guys, you need to get involved and do anything you can to spread this information.
Most infestations are due to critters looking for the basics.
These infestations can be held outside the home if we just give the critters a pittance outside the home.
If you don’t see any relevance to the growing inequality in our country I can’t help you.
Re: “… the Flynn Effect is ending throughout the Western world and is even reversing in Scandinavia, England, and Austria, …”
Could it be that the (deliberate, engineered) indiscriminate 3rd world immigration is working.
I would say, by Media Proclamation.Never have I been more convinced of the accuracy of the phrase, "The Media is the Enemy of the People."Replies: @Twodees Partain
this is a pandemic by bureaucratic proclamation only
True, media is the government’s ally. That reveals the fact that our government is an enemy as well.
Bingo. Keep people from congregating and that will block the right to assemble in order to oppose government overstepping of constitutional boundaries. That’s the plan, obviously. Seems that the biggest corporations are going along with the distancing nonsense. Smaller chains around here just let customers come in at will. WalMart plays the game, expecting their own cut of the bailout.
Yup, I have seen exactly this. It is truly demoralizing how quickly people have fallen in line. Clearly I’ve been naive in thinking Americans have lost the ability to think; I doubt they ever had it in the first place.
Alfred,
Re: “But maybe it will be different in your family. If it is, your family line will disappear.”
Unless you meant, “If it is, your family line will NOT disappear”, or meant “If it is NOT, your family line will disappear” — I’m missing your point. That is, if a family does not have to decide who gets the food, then that family has some strength left in it and will not disappear, yet.
Regardless, I fully agree with your general point about the purpose of the fake pandemic.
Trulia and other real estate sites show California real estate prices plummeting. All of China wants to move here. So when no Americans can buy and everyone is desperately selling the population of China can move over here cheaply.
But how many taxpayers will be left to load the EBT cards up every month so we can keep buying Chinese crap at Walmart and 99c store?
1965 the oldest boomers were 19 and the youngest 2 years old. 1967 Philadelphia plan, first move to end testing aptitude and qualifications in hiring oldest boomers were 21 years old. 1968 affirmative action, oldest boomers were 23, youngest 5 years old 1970 affirmative action beneficiary Hispanic race created by EO Nixon oldest boomers 24 And the beginning of the end for Whites Griggs 1973, the oldest boomers 27, the youngest 10.
The greatest generation did it all. And all but a very few Congress critters were White men.
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How My Local Grocery Store Transformed into East Germany
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Our local Lake Jackson H-E-B is getting more insane by the day. It’s astonishing to see our once-friendly neighborhood grocery store transformed into an authoritarian hell-hole. And, like all authoritarian systems, it is at its core devoid of any logic or reason and in fact it operates at blatantly cross-purposes to its stated goal.
This is a very likely scenario, yes. But I think the main objective carries much higher stakes than trimming some old-age welfare programs. The oligarchs know that they’ll never get one-world government still this stage (liberalism is failing around the world, like communism did), so their next-best option is divvying things up into regional blocks (the Cold War on steroids).
The widow will get social security for herself and her son. Ends for the son at 18 rest of her life for her unless she remarries.
About the house. She should move the son into her bedroom and rent out the other bedrooms. She should invest the $200-$500 to join a credit rating agency to check on the tenants. With everybody being laid off try to get government workers. Not Asians because they will move 3 relatives into the bedroom they rent. Not blacks because. Put in the lease no overnight visitors more than 2 nights Because lots of people try to move friends in. If any relatives and friends get laid off they might be possible tenants.
Horrible so sad
I don’t think they’re trying to shift the power center to China. Godfree Robert’s wet dreams aside, China is ill-suited to be a global hegemon. Rather, they’re trying to recraft the existing order into regional bodies (not unlike 1984). This requires dissociation of the American and Chinese economies and reconstruction of American manufacturing. This controlled demolition is the first stage. The Americans and Chinese (and Russians) are collaborating, although of course there will be turf wars and flare-ups along the way. Put differently, the realist faction of the oligarchs is winning over the globalists.
As one commenter once put it;
“If you think the greedy criminal gangsters who run our government are willing to destroy the economy because of their heartfelt compassion for the old and sick, I’ve got a bridge to sell you”
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“Hundreds of thousands dead, most all elderly / sick, and some random others
Hospitals overwhelmed, people treated in tents outside
Heavy dose of respiratory deaths
That all happens with annual flu, just never hyped like this, and now it is ballyhooed as-if-new to justify economic shut-downs leading to system collapse”
I dont know where you live, but in the US, it does not happen all the time that hospitals are overwhelmed and treating people outside in tents. The only time I can recall hopsitals being overwhelmed is during natural disatsters.
Hard to take someone seriously who makes statements like that.
The point about the way we the CDC guidelines on Covid and what causes death is the biggest problem with this whole fiasco. All models are wrong, some are useful. If the data going into the model is crap, the model is crap.
If a 4th stage lung cancer patient dies in a car wreck, he is listed as an Auto Death,
The same patient dies in a hospital, but also has Covid, he died from Covid.
No, Covid just pushed his 2nd leg into the grave.
With the way we are counting Covid deaths, we will have cured cancer, heart disease and dementia as none of these are going to be listed as cause of death.
“And if SBaker at #135 is correct, then the Chinese in their wilely strategy to take over the world anticipated and relied upon the corruption of our elites.”
A Batman Gambit!
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BatmanGambit
However, I think the batman gambit went the other way. A western intelligence agency let the virus loose in China, in the expectation that the CCP would freak out at the biowarfare attack and lock down China. The Chinese lockdown was then used to justify the lockdown in western countries, which was the real goal of the operation.
The devil in miss Jones benefits
Agree, demonrats and republicons and they all prostrate themselves to the satanic zionists.