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 All / By Allan Wall
    Killers of the Flower Moon is the biggest-budget movie ever made in my home state of Oklahoma. Filmed in Osage County with its beautiful, rolling prairie, the movie is based on David Grann’s book, Killers of the Flower Moon: The Osage Murders and the Birth of the FBI. The book and film explore the murders...
  • The book is excellent and goes into great detail about the injuns murdering each other. But the purpose of the story is indeed to outline how the evil FBI came into existence. Another government overreach using “we are here to help you” as an excuse- and the oil corporations were all too eager to make it happen. golly- how surprising. AS far the movie goes, anytime jewlywood gets the rights to a good story satanic inversion will happen and turn out more blackpilling for Whites.

  • Scorsese, a man whose ancestors were squatting in Sicily when Oklahoma was being settled and whose family squatted in the sewer of NYC for most of his life. This man has no roots or connection to Oklahoma or the American people. Just another example of the wrongness of all immigration.

  • “Personally, I don’t see the book or the movie as particularly anti-white. ”

    Here are a couple of problems. First, too many American movies (99.9% of them) promote at least one form of the broader anti-white narrative: Whites are stupid/evil/racist, white replacement, minorities (specifically negroes) are magic/noble savage myth, not see association, and specifically southern rural whites are an especially vile and incestuous form of humans that viewer needs to be reminded of no matter what. After the last 50 years of watching movies depicting “poor muh native uhmericans” being genocided by the evil white man, I’ve long since reached fatigue. After being bombarded with it for my whole life, I’m done. I don’t care what the true nature of this flick is, I don’t want to see it.

    Next problem: the stars and director (I’ll assume the producers as well) all have a long long history of making movies that, even if it is very subtle, promote the above anti-white narrative as well as promoting some of those narratives in their personal lives.

    The next problem is historical proportion. We get all of these “true story” movies, that mostly serve to promote the above, but no serious movies are ever made illustrating the horrors of communism. How many movies have been made about Stalin or Mao or Lenin of Trotsky compared to Hitler. The ratio is probably 1:5000 How many movies have been made about white serial killers, or the Italian mafia, in comparison to negro serial killers or the jewish mafia? Most people have their favorite movie director. Not a single one of them has ever attempted to tell a realistic tale about the city wrecking negro dysfunction that contributes to the destruction of the US. it is one of the most significant historical events of the last century and it’s been completely ignored, save a few affirmative action directors that did nothing more than manage to glamorize the ghetto lifestyle for white teenagers. In turn, how many movies are churned out every year depicting the southern US as nothing more than a hotbed of raping, lynching, backwood stupid rednecks?

    So nope, I’m not giving a single dime to any of these people. They hate you Wall, or whoever you are. Why would you give them your money?

    • Thanks: Renard, Mark G.
  • @GringoLoco
    I saw Taxi Driver when I was fresh out of high school, and it blew me away and ignited my love for movies. Unfortunately, Scorsese and DeNiro have in the last few years proven themselves to be a self-important and intellectually shallow as the rest of the professional-pretenders community. The year 2020 marked the point at which I finally snapped out of the delusional state I had been in since "the hippie days". What I once thought were profoundly wise political and philosophical positions turned out to be adolescent rebelliousness--which is OK for an adolescent, but disastrous in later life or when taken seriously by society at large.

    Replies: @Pudinhead, @Wokechoke

    Nothing as Queer as a Clockwork Orange.

  • @Pudinhead
    @GringoLoco

    It’s a pity that Taxi Driver had to be changed to comport with the race restrictions of Hollywood. The book was about a white guy who saw the need to stop black dysfunction in NYC.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    Harvey Keitel as a Pimp was both cowardice because the actor was perceived white on Scorsese’s part, but also perfect as Keitel is also a Jew.


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  • @Trinity
    @Pastit

    IMO, the women around Leo are "beards" ala Tom Cruise, both guys are probably queer. Hell, Deniro and his Black girlfriends might be an act as well. So many queers in Hollywood, man. I saw a film on YouTube of a very young Leo ( looked to be 12-13) being followed around the set by some creepy adult Jew who would be later arrested for being a child molester. Makes you wonder about all those poor child stars from long ago like, "The Little Rascals", Shirley Temple, etc.... Where they molested by these Hollywood Kike child molesters?

    Replies: @Truth

    IMO, the women around Leo are “beards” ala Tom Cruise, both guys are probably queer.

    Well, at least you’re getting warm…

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  • @Pastit
    Sounds like a garbage flick. More anti-White bullshit. With the asshole DeNiro in it and Leo ‘no woman over 25’ DiCrapio.

    Replies: @Trinity

    IMO, the women around Leo are “beards” ala Tom Cruise, both guys are probably queer. Hell, Deniro and his Black girlfriends might be an act as well. So many queers in Hollywood, man. I saw a film on YouTube of a very young Leo ( looked to be 12-13) being followed around the set by some creepy adult Jew who would be later arrested for being a child molester. Makes you wonder about all those poor child stars from long ago like, “The Little Rascals”, Shirley Temple, etc…. Where they molested by these Hollywood Kike child molesters?

    • Replies: @Truth
    @Trinity


    IMO, the women around Leo are “beards” ala Tom Cruise, both guys are probably queer.
     
    Well, at least you're getting warm...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEkMcBc39pk

    https://www.bitchute.com/video/VIAZu5iV8134/
  • Thanks to Hollywood one would be led to believe that all the crime in Boston is committed by Irish Catholics

  • @GringoLoco
    I saw Taxi Driver when I was fresh out of high school, and it blew me away and ignited my love for movies. Unfortunately, Scorsese and DeNiro have in the last few years proven themselves to be a self-important and intellectually shallow as the rest of the professional-pretenders community. The year 2020 marked the point at which I finally snapped out of the delusional state I had been in since "the hippie days". What I once thought were profoundly wise political and philosophical positions turned out to be adolescent rebelliousness--which is OK for an adolescent, but disastrous in later life or when taken seriously by society at large.

    Replies: @Pudinhead, @Wokechoke

    It’s a pity that Taxi Driver had to be changed to comport with the race restrictions of Hollywood. The book was about a white guy who saw the need to stop black dysfunction in NYC.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Pudinhead

    Harvey Keitel as a Pimp was both cowardice because the actor was perceived white on Scorsese’s part, but also perfect as Keitel is also a Jew.




    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wD9_Sil8CDU

  • It wasn’t bad, but not among Scorsese’s best either. In fact it hardly seems a Scorsese film. But it’s well done. I don’t think it’s anti-white, but it’s certainly pro-indians, maybe a bit too much. The bad guy is shown to be a freemason, so maybe it’s anti-mason?

  • Just more Hollywood Jewish propaganda. I won’t spend my money watching this turd.

  • Been done better. Long ago. SHORTER,

    The FBI Story, 1959, James Stewart. Osage sequence comes to maybe a dozen minutes. Available at various site online for free — what it’s worth, since it’s propaganda straight-up supervised by J. Edgar Hoover himself.

    An Oklahoma paper summarized the sequence some years ago:

    Kaw City, Okla. is mentioned during the first part of the classic James Stewart movie, “The FBI Story” (1959).

    The movie depicts this oil boom town in Osage County during the 1920s, as the location of a series of murders that occurred within one Osage Indian family. It involved the stealing of “headrights,” or royalties paid to members of the Osage Tribe after an abundance of oil was discovered on their land….

    https://edmondlifeandleisure.com/a-look-at-the-osage-indian-murders-p11200-76.htm

  • What a piece of art is depends on the use it is put to. Killers of the Flower Moon may well be a great film. It’s also used to advance the anti-white agenda. Look at the quotations above.

  • At an ass numbing four hours, I dozed off a couple of times and missed nothing. It was that fucking pokey and boring. And yes, it is very anti-white.

  • @Reg Cæsar
    Part of the attraction of the Whife Savior to cinema is commercial-- a white star sells more tickets, or whatever has replaced tickets in the Stream Age. This was true with Raymond Burr in the black-and-white Godzilla. It might also.explain the godawful and condesending title An American Werewolf in London, an intraracial example of the same thinking. (That wasn't the title in the UK or elsewhere.)



    In general, WSS is related to the sick need of "élite" whites to feel themselves morally superior to other whites. Tied in with the Sowellian "unconstrained" vision.

    Replies: @silviosilver

    It might also.explain the godawful and condesending title An American Werewolf in London, an intraracial example of the same thinking. (That wasn’t the title in the UK or elsewhere.)

    What’s condescending about it?

    What was the title elsewhere?

  • Any film involving Scorsese and DeNiro is going to have a leftist slant, a big slant. Just what we need more Amercian history as told by filthy rich New York socialists. Damn right White saviors, if it wasn’t for them the rest on the non-White world would be sitting in mud picking bugs out on their hair (fur).

  • I saw Taxi Driver when I was fresh out of high school, and it blew me away and ignited my love for movies. Unfortunately, Scorsese and DeNiro have in the last few years proven themselves to be a self-important and intellectually shallow as the rest of the professional-pretenders community. The year 2020 marked the point at which I finally snapped out of the delusional state I had been in since “the hippie days”. What I once thought were profoundly wise political and philosophical positions turned out to be adolescent rebelliousness–which is OK for an adolescent, but disastrous in later life or when taken seriously by society at large.

    • Replies: @Pudinhead
    @GringoLoco

    It’s a pity that Taxi Driver had to be changed to comport with the race restrictions of Hollywood. The book was about a white guy who saw the need to stop black dysfunction in NYC.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    , @Wokechoke
    @GringoLoco

    Nothing as Queer as a Clockwork Orange.

  • Sounds like a garbage flick. More anti-White bullshit. With the asshole DeNiro in it and Leo ‘no woman over 25’ DiCrapio.

    • Replies: @Trinity
    @Pastit

    IMO, the women around Leo are "beards" ala Tom Cruise, both guys are probably queer. Hell, Deniro and his Black girlfriends might be an act as well. So many queers in Hollywood, man. I saw a film on YouTube of a very young Leo ( looked to be 12-13) being followed around the set by some creepy adult Jew who would be later arrested for being a child molester. Makes you wonder about all those poor child stars from long ago like, "The Little Rascals", Shirley Temple, etc.... Where they molested by these Hollywood Kike child molesters?

    Replies: @Truth

  • If Hollywood thought this movie would have a pro-white (or neutral) message, it would not have been made.

    • Agree: Pastit
  • This Lexi Briscuso,what an utterly worthless woman.

  • Part of the attraction of the Whife Savior to cinema is commercial– a white star sells more tickets, or whatever has replaced tickets in the Stream Age. This was true with Raymond Burr in the black-and-white Godzilla. It might also.explain the godawful and condesending title An American Werewolf in London, an intraracial example of the same thinking. (That wasn’t the title in the UK or elsewhere.)

    In general, WSS is related to the sick need of “élite” whites to feel themselves morally superior to other whites. Tied in with the Sowellian “unconstrained” vision.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @Reg Cæsar


    It might also.explain the godawful and condesending title An American Werewolf in London, an intraracial example of the same thinking. (That wasn’t the title in the UK or elsewhere.)
     
    What's condescending about it?

    What was the title elsewhere?
  • I haven’t read the book but someone who has told me that other Indians also took part in some of the killings of the Osage. If this is true this fact apparently didn’t make it in to the movie and it’s a lie by omission to paint only whites as evil and wicked.

    Also, the left has long characterized J. Edgar Hoover as a white supremacist but in this movie a viewer must assume he’s a good guy. So are we to assume this was before J. Edgar Hoover morphed into a white supremacist?

    To be a woke leftist is to be dumb and historically illiterate. The smart ones must drive themselves insane with all the contradictions in their beliefs and worldview.

  • When you get right down to it, the whole Woke, Leftist, anti-white ethos is itself a White Savior Trope.

    Mind blown. Thanks.

    • Agree: p38ace
  • See also: MEMO FROM MIDDLE AMERICA: Southern Baptist Convention Leaders Adopt Black Lives Matter Heresy. Time For Christians And Patriots To Secede If you want a taste of the Woke ideology peddled by too many contemporary American evangelical preachers (I speak as a disgusted patriot Evangelical), check out Woke Preacher Clips on YouTube—subtitled Theology At...
  • Seems everyone has missed the last line.

    “Christians should not be bamboozled”.

    Maybe the author was trying to make an

    actual point? KISS isn’t working…

    How long,how long must we sing this song?

  • Here’s the ‘savior of America’ begging the world to expand LGBTQIA rights. LOL. Don the Con conned enough religious people to win once and only once.

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  • @SolarTermination
    @Vergissmeinnicht

    We're never going to see eye to eye on this, so I doubt any deeper conversation would be constructive.


    Sure, being a paedo isn’t someone’s ‘choice’, likewise being a psychopath – these are MENTAL DISORDERS.
     
    Pedophilia is as much, if not more, a cultural/societal behavior as it is a mental illness. See the Roman Empire, Sodom and Gomorrah, Brave New World, etc. This is why it is heavily stigmatized. The stigma acts as a bulwark against a tsunami of depraved acts that warp and destroy the minds of the children of that society, eventually leading to that society's utter destruction as the children age and take command.

    This is why the powers that shouldn't be are pushing so hard to teach pedophilia in schools - they want to open this particular floodgate in order to decimate our civilization so they may build a new one in their malevolent design. It is not an accident and it is not organic. It is deliberate and malicious.

    Best of luck to you and your philosophy. I've flirted with nihilism in the past and I know how easily it can seduce. That isn't an insult, just an observation.

    Replies: @Vergissmeinnicht

    I’m sure there are elements in the Far-Left that believe their next ‘noble cause’ is the fight against the ‘marginalisation’ of paedos, or believe in ‘youth liberation’ to such an extreme that there shouldn’t be Age of Consent laws… or what-not.¹
    Yes… I’m sure there are REAL paedos who piggyback on this mere intellectual exercise for their gain. (but they’re the minority – in numbers and power)

    I do believe paedophilia is sooo disgusting that it’s IMPOSSIBLE to it ever being destigmatised, let alone legalised – even if there were a real cabal of ultra-rich paedos whose sole goal was exactly that.

    My honest opinion of what’s really going on:
    The Right has a ‘disgust’ dimension. And, nowadays, miscegenation/homosexuality cannot be criticised anymore – therefore, paedophilia is basically what’s left for the Right; hence, they magnify the contemporary Left’s so-called ‘pro-paedophilia’ statements.

    1. Like Jared Taylor, I believe it’s ungentlemanly and unacademic to ‘mind-read’ the real (read: hidden) motives of my philosophical/ideological opponents.

  • @Vergissmeinnicht
    @SolarTermination

    So, he claims 'being a paedophile isn't immoral'? I go further: nothing is immoral!
    I'm a nihilist.
    All kidding aside: I'm a nihilist, in theory – but, in practice, I adhere to fictionalism i.e. we should pretend (read: 'Noble Lie') Right and Wrong are actual things.
    (Society can't function if too many people are nihilists, after all…)

    My understanding (correct me if I'm mistaken):
    Paedophilia = 11-years-old or younger;
    Hebephilia = 12 to 14;
    Ephebophilia = 15 to 18.

    I do believe the Age of Consent should be set at 15 – like it's in, for instance, Sweden.
    (Of course, what about, say, if the boy is 14 and the girl is 13? That's hairy!)

    P.S.: Marriageable Age = 16 if there is parental consent.
    P.P.S.: Also, depends on the race – as races differ in r/K strategies.

    Sure, being a paedo isn't someone's 'choice', likewise being a psychopath – these are MENTAL DISORDERS.

    Regarding teaching about paedophilia being 'innate' in Middle School/High School:
    I am a libertarian. Gov't should be out of Education. Privatise it!

    Last point:
    I'm sure it's currently legal in America anime that portrays sex with children. But that's a cartoon.
    What about realistic or ultra-realistic computer-generated child porn?
    A priori, I do not think that should be legal.
    Here's a 'compromise': if the paedophile agrees to be institutionalised s/he may watch that (to a limited degree) but only if RELIABLE studies show this practice REDUCES rape.¹

    1. Studies have shown watching porn REDUCES rape in society. (Please, bear in mind, I'm not saying there aren't drawbacks to watching porn – I go further: perhaps its drawbacks outweigh its positives.)

    Replies: @SolarTermination

    We’re never going to see eye to eye on this, so I doubt any deeper conversation would be constructive.

    Sure, being a paedo isn’t someone’s ‘choice’, likewise being a psychopath – these are MENTAL DISORDERS.

    Pedophilia is as much, if not more, a cultural/societal behavior as it is a mental illness. See the Roman Empire, Sodom and Gomorrah, Brave New World, etc. This is why it is heavily stigmatized. The stigma acts as a bulwark against a tsunami of depraved acts that warp and destroy the minds of the children of that society, eventually leading to that society’s utter destruction as the children age and take command.

    This is why the powers that shouldn’t be are pushing so hard to teach pedophilia in schools – they want to open this particular floodgate in order to decimate our civilization so they may build a new one in their malevolent design. It is not an accident and it is not organic. It is deliberate and malicious.

    Best of luck to you and your philosophy. I’ve flirted with nihilism in the past and I know how easily it can seduce. That isn’t an insult, just an observation.

    • Replies: @Vergissmeinnicht
    @SolarTermination

    I'm sure there are elements in the Far-Left that believe their next 'noble cause' is the fight against the 'marginalisation' of paedos, or believe in 'youth liberation' to such an extreme that there shouldn't be Age of Consent laws… or what-not.¹
    Yes… I'm sure there are REAL paedos who piggyback on this mere intellectual exercise for their gain. (but they're the minority – in numbers and power)

    I do believe paedophilia is sooo disgusting that it's IMPOSSIBLE to it ever being destigmatised, let alone legalised – even if there were a real cabal of ultra-rich paedos whose sole goal was exactly that.

    My honest opinion of what's really going on:
    The Right has a 'disgust' dimension. And, nowadays, miscegenation/homosexuality cannot be criticised anymore – therefore, paedophilia is basically what's left for the Right; hence, they magnify the contemporary Left's so-called 'pro-paedophilia' statements.

    1. Like Jared Taylor, I believe it's ungentlemanly and unacademic to 'mind-read' the real (read: hidden) motives of my philosophical/ideological opponents.

  • @SolarTermination
    @Vergissmeinnicht

    Thank you for your reply.

    Here is what he wrote in his paper, this isn't a slippery slope, it is outright enabling, normalizing, and encouraging this behavior. There is a reason pedophilia has a stigma, and it is a very good one.

    --------

    The abstract of the paper reads “In this paper it is argued that pedophilia is bad only because, and only to the extent that, it causes harm to children, and that pedophilia itself, as well as pedophilic expressions and practices that do not cause harm to children, are morally alright [sic].”

    He further writes, “We argue that it is not immoral to be a pedophile, it is immoral for pedophiles to seek out sexual contact with children because of the expected harm to children, and it is morally permissible for pedophiles to satisfy their sexual preferences in ways that do not involve any real children.”

    Many of us have been pedophiles at one point,” Moen argues, adding “When you were 11, it is not unlikely that you were sexually attracted to prepubertal children.”

    Moen also suggests that “To prevent harm to future children, we would also be well-advised to start teaching high school students not just what to do in case they are victims of sexual abuse, but also what to do in case they themselves are pedophiles.”

    “A certain percentage of high school students either are or will become pedophiles, and currently they are not given any advice on how to handle their sexuality,” he further asserts.

    Moen further suggests that pedos should be able to watch kiddy porn, so long as it’s computer generated and not real, in order for them to satiate their desires.

    He adds that it is “unjust” to condemn people who have pedo desires, and that they should actually be “praised” for their “admirable willpower,” if they manage to refrain from having sex with kids.
    -----------

    Please read through this: https://tritorch.com/predator

    That ^ details a full on assault against the norms and postures toward sex with children, and it is only the tip of the iceberg.

    If you want to discuss further or want more evidence of what is occurring, send an email to the author at the top of the predator article.

    Replies: @Vergissmeinnicht

    So, he claims ‘being a paedophile isn’t immoral’? I go further: nothing is immoral!
    I’m a nihilist.
    All kidding aside: I’m a nihilist, in theory – but, in practice, I adhere to fictionalism i.e. we should pretend (read: ‘Noble Lie’) Right and Wrong are actual things.
    (Society can’t function if too many people are nihilists, after all…)

    My understanding (correct me if I’m mistaken):
    Paedophilia = 11-years-old or younger;
    Hebephilia = 12 to 14;
    Ephebophilia = 15 to 18.

    I do believe the Age of Consent should be set at 15 – like it’s in, for instance, Sweden.
    (Of course, what about, say, if the boy is 14 and the girl is 13? That’s hairy!)

    P.S.: Marriageable Age = 16 if there is parental consent.
    P.P.S.: Also, depends on the race – as races differ in r/K strategies.

    Sure, being a paedo isn’t someone’s ‘choice’, likewise being a psychopath – these are MENTAL DISORDERS.

    Regarding teaching about paedophilia being ‘innate’ in Middle School/High School:
    I am a libertarian. Gov’t should be out of Education. Privatise it!

    Last point:
    I’m sure it’s currently legal in America anime that portrays sex with children. But that’s a cartoon.
    What about realistic or ultra-realistic computer-generated child porn?
    A priori, I do not think that should be legal.
    Here’s a ‘compromise’: if the paedophile agrees to be institutionalised s/he may watch that (to a limited degree) but only if RELIABLE studies show this practice REDUCES rape.¹

    1. Studies have shown watching porn REDUCES rape in society. (Please, bear in mind, I’m not saying there aren’t drawbacks to watching porn – I go further: perhaps its drawbacks outweigh its positives.)

    • Replies: @SolarTermination
    @Vergissmeinnicht

    We're never going to see eye to eye on this, so I doubt any deeper conversation would be constructive.


    Sure, being a paedo isn’t someone’s ‘choice’, likewise being a psychopath – these are MENTAL DISORDERS.
     
    Pedophilia is as much, if not more, a cultural/societal behavior as it is a mental illness. See the Roman Empire, Sodom and Gomorrah, Brave New World, etc. This is why it is heavily stigmatized. The stigma acts as a bulwark against a tsunami of depraved acts that warp and destroy the minds of the children of that society, eventually leading to that society's utter destruction as the children age and take command.

    This is why the powers that shouldn't be are pushing so hard to teach pedophilia in schools - they want to open this particular floodgate in order to decimate our civilization so they may build a new one in their malevolent design. It is not an accident and it is not organic. It is deliberate and malicious.

    Best of luck to you and your philosophy. I've flirted with nihilism in the past and I know how easily it can seduce. That isn't an insult, just an observation.

    Replies: @Vergissmeinnicht

  • @Legba
    @Vergissmeinnicht

    Having sex with a child is wrong because it's wrong, you sick son of a bitch. It doesn't matter if it harms the child, because you people will next 'discover' that sex with children doesn't actually harm them, it actually harms you poor pedos to not fuck little kids

    Replies: @SolarTermination

    Excellent reply.

    To your point: They have already determined it isn’t bad for the children:

    https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/suny-professor-its-mistake-think-pedophilia-wrong

    (The videos in that ^ article are unwatchable. You’ve been forewarned.)

    Next stop, as you pointed out, the children will be harming the pedophiles for resisting their advances.

    https://tritorch.com/occult

  • @Vergissmeinnicht
    @SolarTermination

    I've actually read this guy's paper.¹

    His thesis: having sex with a child is wrong (!) – but only because it HARMS the child.²
    Honestly, it's congent.

    My guess: Conservative 'yellow journalism' has distorted what this Professor believes for click-bait.

    1. I've read only one of his papers on paedophilia. So, perhaps he has written/said more 'controversial' things elsewhere that I don't know about.

    2. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/279278883_The_ethics_of_pedophilia

    Replies: @SolarTermination, @Legba

    Having sex with a child is wrong because it’s wrong, you sick son of a bitch. It doesn’t matter if it harms the child, because you people will next ‘discover’ that sex with children doesn’t actually harm them, it actually harms you poor pedos to not fuck little kids

    • Replies: @SolarTermination
    @Legba

    Excellent reply.

    To your point: They have already determined it isn't bad for the children:

    https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/suny-professor-its-mistake-think-pedophilia-wrong

    (The videos in that ^ article are unwatchable. You've been forewarned.)

    Next stop, as you pointed out, the children will be harming the pedophiles for resisting their advances.

    http://tritorch.com/occult/ForWeWrestle.jpg

    https://tritorch.com/occult

  • @Vergissmeinnicht
    @SolarTermination

    I've actually read this guy's paper.¹

    His thesis: having sex with a child is wrong (!) – but only because it HARMS the child.²
    Honestly, it's congent.

    My guess: Conservative 'yellow journalism' has distorted what this Professor believes for click-bait.

    1. I've read only one of his papers on paedophilia. So, perhaps he has written/said more 'controversial' things elsewhere that I don't know about.

    2. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/279278883_The_ethics_of_pedophilia

    Replies: @SolarTermination, @Legba

    Thank you for your reply.

    Here is what he wrote in his paper, this isn’t a slippery slope, it is outright enabling, normalizing, and encouraging this behavior. There is a reason pedophilia has a stigma, and it is a very good one.

    ——–

    The abstract of the paper reads “In this paper it is argued that pedophilia is bad only because, and only to the extent that, it causes harm to children, and that pedophilia itself, as well as pedophilic expressions and practices that do not cause harm to children, are morally alright [sic].”

    He further writes, “We argue that it is not immoral to be a pedophile, it is immoral for pedophiles to seek out sexual contact with children because of the expected harm to children, and it is morally permissible for pedophiles to satisfy their sexual preferences in ways that do not involve any real children.”

    Many of us have been pedophiles at one point,” Moen argues, adding “When you were 11, it is not unlikely that you were sexually attracted to prepubertal children.”

    Moen also suggests that “To prevent harm to future children, we would also be well-advised to start teaching high school students not just what to do in case they are victims of sexual abuse, but also what to do in case they themselves are pedophiles.”

    “A certain percentage of high school students either are or will become pedophiles, and currently they are not given any advice on how to handle their sexuality,” he further asserts.

    Moen further suggests that pedos should be able to watch kiddy porn, so long as it’s computer generated and not real, in order for them to satiate their desires.

    He adds that it is “unjust” to condemn people who have pedo desires, and that they should actually be “praised” for their “admirable willpower,” if they manage to refrain from having sex with kids.
    ———–

    Please read through this: https://tritorch.com/predator

    That ^ details a full on assault against the norms and postures toward sex with children, and it is only the tip of the iceberg.

    If you want to discuss further or want more evidence of what is occurring, send an email to the author at the top of the predator article.

    • Replies: @Vergissmeinnicht
    @SolarTermination

    So, he claims 'being a paedophile isn't immoral'? I go further: nothing is immoral!
    I'm a nihilist.
    All kidding aside: I'm a nihilist, in theory – but, in practice, I adhere to fictionalism i.e. we should pretend (read: 'Noble Lie') Right and Wrong are actual things.
    (Society can't function if too many people are nihilists, after all…)

    My understanding (correct me if I'm mistaken):
    Paedophilia = 11-years-old or younger;
    Hebephilia = 12 to 14;
    Ephebophilia = 15 to 18.

    I do believe the Age of Consent should be set at 15 – like it's in, for instance, Sweden.
    (Of course, what about, say, if the boy is 14 and the girl is 13? That's hairy!)

    P.S.: Marriageable Age = 16 if there is parental consent.
    P.P.S.: Also, depends on the race – as races differ in r/K strategies.

    Sure, being a paedo isn't someone's 'choice', likewise being a psychopath – these are MENTAL DISORDERS.

    Regarding teaching about paedophilia being 'innate' in Middle School/High School:
    I am a libertarian. Gov't should be out of Education. Privatise it!

    Last point:
    I'm sure it's currently legal in America anime that portrays sex with children. But that's a cartoon.
    What about realistic or ultra-realistic computer-generated child porn?
    A priori, I do not think that should be legal.
    Here's a 'compromise': if the paedophile agrees to be institutionalised s/he may watch that (to a limited degree) but only if RELIABLE studies show this practice REDUCES rape.¹

    1. Studies have shown watching porn REDUCES rape in society. (Please, bear in mind, I'm not saying there aren't drawbacks to watching porn – I go further: perhaps its drawbacks outweigh its positives.)

    Replies: @SolarTermination

  • These sub-Christian idiots in clerical dress spend too much time getting excited about things. Less tingle up your leg, please, and more sound preaching for a change.

  • @SolarTermination
    If you stare into the woke abyss long enough, here is what you will find:

    http://tritorch.com/degradation/Grooming/QueerEthicsProfessorCallsForPedophiliaToBeTaughtInSchoolsToChildren.png

    Any society that doesn't protect their children is dooming themselves to hell. We must act, now, to stop this depravity. Here is how bad it has gotten: https://tritorch.com/predator

    Replies: @Vergissmeinnicht

    I’ve actually read this guy’s paper.¹

    His thesis: having sex with a child is wrong (!) – but only because it HARMS the child.²
    Honestly, it’s congent.

    My guess: Conservative ‘yellow journalism’ has distorted what this Professor believes for click-bait.

    1. I’ve read only one of his papers on paedophilia. So, perhaps he has written/said more ‘controversial’ things elsewhere that I don’t know about.

    2. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/279278883_The_ethics_of_pedophilia

    • Replies: @SolarTermination
    @Vergissmeinnicht

    Thank you for your reply.

    Here is what he wrote in his paper, this isn't a slippery slope, it is outright enabling, normalizing, and encouraging this behavior. There is a reason pedophilia has a stigma, and it is a very good one.

    --------

    The abstract of the paper reads “In this paper it is argued that pedophilia is bad only because, and only to the extent that, it causes harm to children, and that pedophilia itself, as well as pedophilic expressions and practices that do not cause harm to children, are morally alright [sic].”

    He further writes, “We argue that it is not immoral to be a pedophile, it is immoral for pedophiles to seek out sexual contact with children because of the expected harm to children, and it is morally permissible for pedophiles to satisfy their sexual preferences in ways that do not involve any real children.”

    Many of us have been pedophiles at one point,” Moen argues, adding “When you were 11, it is not unlikely that you were sexually attracted to prepubertal children.”

    Moen also suggests that “To prevent harm to future children, we would also be well-advised to start teaching high school students not just what to do in case they are victims of sexual abuse, but also what to do in case they themselves are pedophiles.”

    “A certain percentage of high school students either are or will become pedophiles, and currently they are not given any advice on how to handle their sexuality,” he further asserts.

    Moen further suggests that pedos should be able to watch kiddy porn, so long as it’s computer generated and not real, in order for them to satiate their desires.

    He adds that it is “unjust” to condemn people who have pedo desires, and that they should actually be “praised” for their “admirable willpower,” if they manage to refrain from having sex with kids.
    -----------

    Please read through this: https://tritorch.com/predator

    That ^ details a full on assault against the norms and postures toward sex with children, and it is only the tip of the iceberg.

    If you want to discuss further or want more evidence of what is occurring, send an email to the author at the top of the predator article.

    Replies: @Vergissmeinnicht

    , @Legba
    @Vergissmeinnicht

    Having sex with a child is wrong because it's wrong, you sick son of a bitch. It doesn't matter if it harms the child, because you people will next 'discover' that sex with children doesn't actually harm them, it actually harms you poor pedos to not fuck little kids

    Replies: @SolarTermination

  • I am an atheist.
    My atheist “brothers and sisters” are much worse (!) – because they loudly and proudly claim (by and large) to be guided by (in no particular order) science, truth, rationality, logic, facts, critical thinking…

  • If you stare into the woke abyss long enough, here is what you will find:

    Any society that doesn’t protect their children is dooming themselves to hell. We must act, now, to stop this depravity. Here is how bad it has gotten: https://tritorch.com/predator

    • Replies: @Vergissmeinnicht
    @SolarTermination

    I've actually read this guy's paper.¹

    His thesis: having sex with a child is wrong (!) – but only because it HARMS the child.²
    Honestly, it's congent.

    My guess: Conservative 'yellow journalism' has distorted what this Professor believes for click-bait.

    1. I've read only one of his papers on paedophilia. So, perhaps he has written/said more 'controversial' things elsewhere that I don't know about.

    2. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/279278883_The_ethics_of_pedophilia

    Replies: @SolarTermination, @Legba

  • Earlier: MEMO FROM MIDDLE AMERICA: Woke Southern Baptist Bureaucrats Move To Crush Local Church Rebels. Rebels Fight Back. As an evangelical Christian I respect my Southern Baptist brothers and sisters in Christ and the good work they do. I hate to see them led astray, above all by their own treacherous leadership. My advice: Free...
  • There were a number of issues within, and at the time, like most kids, I was not really paying attention. My best recollection was that there was a branch that wanted to go whole hog evangelical, and another branch that went backwards. As best I can remember, after all was said and done, my church branch turned Sunday service into a Mass, and the minister sang it. That would have been a huge no-no in the old days, when it would have been more like United than Baptist. I do recall the geezer that was the minister for the catechism not being critical of other denominations per se (even RCs) rather explaining how they were different. I stopped attending, as the message, for all intents and purposes, was that what was in place before was wrong.
    Apparently, the Evangelicals have had more recent problems of their own over homosexuals. Whodda thunk it.

  • @Curmudgeon
    @Curmudgeon


    before the late 60s split.
     
    Sorry! Late 50s split.

    Replies: @Ann Nonny Mouse

    Please explain the split, for us non-Lutherans of low IQ. The Lutheran Church fell apart in the 50s? What happened?

  • @Curmudgeon
    @Anon


    Start with Genesis. The most pertinent information is within the first few chapters. Then read Revelation.
     
    Like many people, you are using a very broad brush, and miss context.
    It is true that the early RC Church was somewhat lenient toward Jews, however, they believed Jews would eventually convert. The Reformation was as much a financial rift as a theological rift. The Holy Roman Empire controlled trade, and the Northern German Princes weren't happy about that. Luther gave them the excuse. In the beginning, Luther maintained the RC belief that Jews would eventually convert. He regretted including the Old Testament in his Bible translation, as his doctrine was that the Old Testament was irrelevant. It's relevance ended when the New Testament was created. That is why this toy is Auntie Shem-itic.
    https://www.tagesspiegel.de/images/playmobil-luther-ging-schon-400-000-mal-weg/12908354/2-format43.jpg
    After reading the Talmud, Luther wrote "On The Jews and Their Lies", which, of course, is Auntie Shem-itic. I was raised a Lutheran before the late 60s split. There was no praise of Jews in that doctrine, unlike the Baptists and other "Protestant" sects, and the Old Testament was only there for reference of how the Jews f'ed up their side of the bargain and what not to do. They aren't chosen, Christians are.
    There is no question that the Christian Churches have been infiltrated, and much more successfully in the (((West))) than the East, but let's keep things in perspective.

    Replies: @Curmudgeon

    before the late 60s split.

    Sorry! Late 50s split.

    • Replies: @Ann Nonny Mouse
    @Curmudgeon

    Please explain the split, for us non-Lutherans of low IQ. The Lutheran Church fell apart in the 50s? What happened?

  • @Anon
    @anon

    Christianity is not pro-Black.

    I don't disagree that it is a cult, along with its associate religions.

    Indeed, we are now strapped into the workings of this world-encompassing cult ritual until its end.

    Whether the cult describes and has facilitated human development from the beginning, or it is a parasitical and fatal cancer, what it does its describe and is responsible for the current demographic structure and trajectory of human civilization.

    Whether or not the ritual has always been a part of human development and civilization, or is an aberrant artifact of copper age human psychopathy, is open for debate.

    It will be impossible to know until this is over.

    Which means that, in essence, at the moment it doesn't matter if the cult is good or evil. We are strapped in for the ride over the cliff.

    Arguably everything that you are seeing now is that cult ritual. Everyone has a part to play, no exceptions.

    But the cult isn't pro-Black. it is intentionally deceptive. It is intentionally and deeply coded. It is intentionally dualistic. it is a test. It does describe the current reality and what is expected. It isn't Jewish in that Jews are not controlling it from both sides. Though, they do represent one of the two majors actors in the cult.

    The Jewish role is described both openly and in code, in the Bible. They are favored by one of the Gods in the Bible, which is for whom they speak and speak of, but not by the Other. Though they also speak of the Other.

    Start with Genesis. The most pertinent information is within the first few chapters. Then read Revelation. Begin looking for parallel identities, often coded with references to animals, farming, or animal husbandry, and keep your mind working as to what the confusing references (people, animals, insects, smoke, clothing, etc) could mean when decoded. Knowing how the rabbis decode such language will help.

    Replies: @Curmudgeon

    Start with Genesis. The most pertinent information is within the first few chapters. Then read Revelation.

    Like many people, you are using a very broad brush, and miss context.
    It is true that the early RC Church was somewhat lenient toward Jews, however, they believed Jews would eventually convert. The Reformation was as much a financial rift as a theological rift. The Holy Roman Empire controlled trade, and the Northern German Princes weren’t happy about that. Luther gave them the excuse. In the beginning, Luther maintained the RC belief that Jews would eventually convert. He regretted including the Old Testament in his Bible translation, as his doctrine was that the Old Testament was irrelevant. It’s relevance ended when the New Testament was created. That is why this toy is Auntie Shem-itic.

    After reading the Talmud, Luther wrote “On The Jews and Their Lies”, which, of course, is Auntie Shem-itic. I was raised a Lutheran before the late 60s split. There was no praise of Jews in that doctrine, unlike the Baptists and other “Protestant” sects, and the Old Testament was only there for reference of how the Jews f’ed up their side of the bargain and what not to do. They aren’t chosen, Christians are.
    There is no question that the Christian Churches have been infiltrated, and much more successfully in the (((West))) than the East, but let’s keep things in perspective.

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
    @Curmudgeon


    before the late 60s split.
     
    Sorry! Late 50s split.

    Replies: @Ann Nonny Mouse

  • Why the Baptist leadership’s radical shift left?

    Apart from the desperate virtue-signalling by the leadership, as offered by the author, may I suggest another reason is “the long march through the institutions”, in this case educative ones, coming to fruition.

    The indoctrinated are continually coming of age.

  • Why the Baptist leadership’s radical shift left?

    Apart from the desperate virtue-signalling by the leadership offered by the author, may I suggest another reason is the “the long march through the institutions”, in this case educative ones, coming to fruition. The indoctrinated are continually coming of age.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
  • Soros Baptist Convention is led by homo-hipsters and goddess-worshipers.

    https://dalrock.wordpress.com/2012/08/27/beauty-taming-the-savage-beast/

  • Anonymous[216] • Disclaimer says:
    @Svevlad
    That's what you get for adopting the masoretic text and generally being cringe.

    There's a reason why it's called the Orthodox Church. The donation of Constantine is fake, and basically every Pope was cringe anyway too.

    Which means either go Orthodox, or join those pathetic paganism larpers, lol

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Which means either go Orthodox, or join those pathetic paganism larpers, lol

    We don’t need to “join” anything. There is no God, but if there was, A. A. Lewis would be his prophet.

  • @Bragadocious
    How nice that Allan is now on UR! He offers up a much more red-pilled view on Mexico than Fred Reed. Also, unlike Reed, he likes the United States. Hopefully all of his writings will be available from now on.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Thank you, Bragaodcious. I was also glad to see an Allan Wall article here. Mr. Unz has argued agains the opinions of most of the VDare writers quite often, so I’m really amazed to see many of the main writers from that site having space here (and one can comment!)

    I have also compared Mr. Wall, a guy who has lived in Mexico for along period, to Mr. Reed, doing that in a number of the Fred Reed threads when he’d get just plain stupid on the immigration issues. If I can find it, I’ll give my impression of Fred Reed wrt immigration from south o’ the border. OK, found it, from this Peak Stupidity post – One more dig at Senor Fredrico Reed :

    [Fred Reed mode] America is decaying. There is no unified American culture anymore. There are lots of people mixed together from all over the world. There are bad ignorant Americans that are trying to prevent people from coming in from all over the world. Things don’t work well anymore. The new foreigners are better than those ignorant foreigner-hating Americans at working. America has changed for the worse from back when I was a kid when it was 90% white.

    Trump is a clown. The TV news that I watch all day is full of people criticizing the President for everything and making fun of him. TV sucks. Americans should see how bad their country is on the TV. Trump wants a wall built. Bad ignorant Americans want a border barrier built. Walls don’t work. Americans just don’t want we Mexicans to assimilate and exchange bodily fluids with them. Mexicans don’t want to assimilate and be part of the crass, new, sick American culture that I watch on TV. Mexican culture is better and we have great engineering schools and gated communities. Mexico is better, so Mexicans don’t want to go to America. There is no need for a wall, but they don’t work anyway. Bodily fluids! [/Fred Reed mode]

    That’s my take. Mr. Wall, if you are reading, you have been the most civil, unbiased, and informative writer I have read anything from regarding the complete political situation between America and Mexico. I’ve read your columns on VDare since well before you changed the title from “Memo from Mexico”. Thank you for all the great writing!

  • Anonymous[300] • Disclaimer says:

    The funny thing about it is that many of the people who are reading this will be nodding their head in anger, and then, the very same day, will navigate to another thread where they tell us we have to fight atheism, or else everyone will believe in wokeness instead.

  • How nice that Allan is now on UR! He offers up a much more red-pilled view on Mexico than Fred Reed. Also, unlike Reed, he likes the United States. Hopefully all of his writings will be available from now on.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Bragadocious

    Thank you, Bragaodcious. I was also glad to see an Allan Wall article here. Mr. Unz has argued agains the opinions of most of the VDare writers quite often, so I'm really amazed to see many of the main writers from that site having space here (and one can comment!)

    I have also compared Mr. Wall, a guy who has lived in Mexico for along period, to Mr. Reed, doing that in a number of the Fred Reed threads when he'd get just plain stupid on the immigration issues. If I can find it, I'll give my impression of Fred Reed wrt immigration from south o' the border. OK, found it, from this Peak Stupidity post - One more dig at Senor Fredrico Reed :




    [Fred Reed mode] America is decaying. There is no unified American culture anymore. There are lots of people mixed together from all over the world. There are bad ignorant Americans that are trying to prevent people from coming in from all over the world. Things don’t work well anymore. The new foreigners are better than those ignorant foreigner-hating Americans at working. America has changed for the worse from back when I was a kid when it was 90% white.

    Trump is a clown. The TV news that I watch all day is full of people criticizing the President for everything and making fun of him. TV sucks. Americans should see how bad their country is on the TV. Trump wants a wall built. Bad ignorant Americans want a border barrier built. Walls don’t work. Americans just don’t want we Mexicans to assimilate and exchange bodily fluids with them. Mexicans don’t want to assimilate and be part of the crass, new, sick American culture that I watch on TV. Mexican culture is better and we have great engineering schools and gated communities. Mexico is better, so Mexicans don’t want to go to America. There is no need for a wall, but they don’t work anyway. Bodily fluids! [/Fred Reed mode]

     

    That's my take. Mr. Wall, if you are reading, you have been the most civil, unbiased, and informative writer I have read anything from regarding the complete political situation between America and Mexico. I've read your columns on VDare since well before you changed the title from "Memo from Mexico". Thank you for all the great writing!
  • That’s what you get for adopting the masoretic text and generally being cringe.

    There’s a reason why it’s called the Orthodox Church. The donation of Constantine is fake, and basically every Pope was cringe anyway too.

    Which means either go Orthodox, or join those pathetic paganism larpers, lol

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Svevlad


    Which means either go Orthodox, or join those pathetic paganism larpers, lol
     
    We don't need to "join" anything. There is no God, but if there was, A. A. Lewis would be his prophet.
  • I saw it years ago with the Intelligent Design movement. Very quick to say Darwin waz reel raciss, they were.
    They opened the door to this.

  • American Citizen 2.0 says:
    @Parsnipitous
    @American Citizen 2.0

    Just because you were fucked in the head as a youngster... but thanks for your advice on abandoning all Christianity: we'll still have "Whiteness" to cling onto against the savage onslaught.

    Replies: @American Citizen 2.0

    Do you think that kind of language and rage would attract anyone to Christianity or whiteness?

    I wouldn’t say I was “fucked in the head”. The people I went to Church with as a kid had a sincere belief in 1st Century Christianity and they had traditions that were founded on centuries of research and Biblical scholarship.

    But anyway, your comment is repulsive. The fact that you would reply to a sincere comment about faith in such a repulsive way speaks volumes. Disgusting man. Just disgusting.

    I will leave it at that.

  • American Citizen 2.0 says:
    @Anon
    @American Citizen 2.0


    I guess I quit being a Christian as an adult because I ended up feeling like I was being manipulated into serving other people’s, wealthy people’s, ends with no real benefit to myself other than a sense of belonging.
     
    That manipulation may have been true, but I think that the primary issue with your disconnect is that you misunderstand Christianity. Which is not a personal flaw of yours.

    Most professed Christians misunderstand it when they make a concerted effort to understand it at all. Even and perhaps especially literalists. It is easily misunderstood because its meanings are occluded. The Bible is literal in a manner of speaking, but the literal story is encoded in symbol.

    This should not be a surprise given Judaism's well-known esoterism, as well as the practically indecipherable nature of many of Christianity's precepts.

    To wit, I have never read anyone explain in plain and compelling (not to mention accurate) language why it is necessary for Christ to manifest on Earth and to die for our sins or why it is necessary to eat his body and drink his blood.

    We are expected simply to accept these actions as logical acts of our God. In reality, to do so makes no sense beyond a commitment to blind faith that is, in the end, necessary for virtually all long-term Christians due to the hidden meanings.

    Yet, there are concrete theological reasons for both of these acts, which are given in the Bible (but not stated to be such). The meanings of these acts are occluded, likely so that they survive Christianity's enemies as the eternal conflict is accelerated according to the stated events.

    Then there is highly fantastical nature of the Genesis stories that form Christianity's foundation. The meanings are occluded under talk of a Garden, a couple of Trees, a God, a Serpent, a Temptation, a Fall, and finally a murder.

    Understanding what these symbolically occluded events actually mean is essential to understanding Christianity's meanings and sacraments. Because Christianity's meanings primarily deal with these first and therefore most essential events.

    The most important themes repeat throughout the Bible.

    All of it matters to Christianity's meanings, and none of it is explained. The meanings are kept hidden until, as Christ states, the apocalypse (literally "the uncovering").

    Judaism and Christianity's stories are the combined story of the political events of a cyclical civilizational cycle, but possibly also more.

    It may be the tale (and method) of the engineered development of the human race: similar to how one breeds show dogs, race horses, or, in more biblical terminology, fruit / crops.

    In other words, the nature of the Semitic religions is primarily political rather than spiritual.

    Which is why these religions specialize in the distasteful sects that you mention, instead of buddhist style Monastaries.

    Like its antithetical compliment Judaism, Christianity is more akin to a dictation of past and future political reality and a set of instructions for how to survive its enactment rather than a religion in the sense that the spiritual development of buddhism is a religion.

    For Christians, there is an aspect of the cultivation of the spirit. And if one remains blindly committed then it is true that is all one would need to realize Christ's promises.

    Yet, the primary themes are not spiritiual development methods. Many themes are counter-intuitive morality instructions. However, mostly, in both the Tanakh and the New Testament ,the themes are a narrative progression of a hero's journey. First Israel and one if its tribes, the Jews, and later for Christ.

    Those are the narratives of the conflict that is to be the world's fate, or its cycle.

    Whether or not you believe in it is irrelevant as to whether or not it exists or will continue to happen as stated.

    It believes in you, whether it is a highly successful psychopathic cult that has somehow survived to dominate in the 21st century and entrap us in a worldwide cultic ritual that is stated to end in a mass human sacrifice and "harvest" of the best "fruit" or "wheat".

    Or whether it is the core explanation of human existence, its methods are the probable cause of human existence, and its explanation and methods are the cause of civilization.

    Whatever it is, it is here and in control. One can't opt out like one can for a spiritual development practice. By trying not to play a role, you are playing a role. Its' narrative and mechanisms are comprehensive in that manner.


    I don’t believe that Jesus was God in any sense.
     
    That would depend on who you are according to how the Bible maps your specific existence onto the roles encoded in the Bible.

    There are two essential actors in the Bible. Everyone is mapped to one. Christ represents one of them, but he also has other identities in the Bible. If you are mapped to Christ's people, then he is your God as what he represents is your origin and continuity. He represents your template. His defeat represents yours. His death represents your death. His resurrection represents yours. His avenging return represents your revenge. His victory represents yours, in every possible way. Which would be a deeper way to explain the Judeo-Christian concept of God.

    Naturally, your enemies will hate your God and want the worst for him - including death. Which means that they want the worst for you. Christ's victory means their defeat and death and that of their god.


    I don’t believe that Israel was the chosen nation.
     
    For lack of space I'll keep this vague: that depends both on which God is choosing which portion of Israel. Both portions of Israel are chosen, according to the dual-actor concept that I prior mentioned, but I will offer that the Bi-Ble is a story about more than one God. How many Gods are in the Garden? Who descends from them?

    It all just seemed like a way of manipulating lonely, confused, tired people who lived miserable lives of toil in small towns, a kind of predatory exploitation of their need to belong.
     
    It can be. But its also the likely core story of civilization as well as an encoded document of the mechanisms behind it.

    So, now I meditate instead. Not that I am a buddhist or anything, because that all seems like malarky too, but the mere act of meditating has been practiced for thousands of years all over the world by people in all kinds of circumstances. I get a sense of connection and belonging from being a part of that lineage and that’s good enough for me.
     
    There is nothing wrong with meditating. But you are mostly doing that whenever you are engaged in a task but thinking about something else.

    This Christianity nonsense has served it function and should be abandoned.
     
    Specifically, Christianity is both the method and the story of the release of the world from the evil force in the world. Though, even if one didn't believe that - what is true is that Christianity explains the inescapable future. There is no way to abandon it. It will continue to play out whether or not you believe in it.

    We won the cold war. We don’t need an army of fanatical zealots willing to die for god and country anymore.
     
    Since when are the National Guard, the Reserves, or their civilian equivalents armies of "fanatical zealots" and not a righteous force of preservation against threats, for example, such as against the masses of revolutionary communists who are rioting in every major American city with backing of local governments and corporate America?

    There is no more cold war because the Soviets have always been here biding their time, and are now ready to act on American soil. But this is also covered in the Bible. Conceive of who gives them their power, and then find this described in Revelation.

    Replies: @American Citizen 2.0

    I don’t usually read the Anon comments but in this case, I think yours was a good one with lots of ideas worth thinking about. I appreciate the detailed discussion.

    As for why God appeared as Jesus in real life as a part of history, the bible does explain that fairly clearly. There are two realms: heaven and earth. Man, because of the soul, unites those two realms. But when people sin, they end up living in the earthly realm separated from God. Everyone sins. So, Jesus came here and reunited the two realms by giving himself as a sacrifice so that now we can live with God again in heaven. He couldn’t just show up out of the blue born anywhere because nobody would have known what the point of the sacrifice is/was, which is why God made a covenant with Abraham and unfolded the story in history by having him be born in a specific time and place to people who understood the nature of God’s plan to reconcile heaven and earth and who understood what sin is.

    Anyway that’s how it was explained to me when I was young.

  • A church is supposed to be “old-fashioned” this is its point. It acts as a spine connecting the past to the future. Fashions change, mores change, but the church remains an unchanging anchor to eternity, to which people flock for guidance and consolation when the worldly flux hurts them too deeply.

    The moment a church begins to follow current fashion, it has stopped being a church, and has instead become a “spiritual club” which might as well throw in yoga lessons and aroma therapy. When it begins to follow political fashion, it has sunk even below the spiritual club level and has become a player in the games of the wicked.

    This is what has happened to Catholicism (barring Poland for now), this is what is happening to western Protestantism, this is what GloboHomo will try to do to Orthodox Christianity, probably by infiltrating the Ukrainian branches.

    The church is a conduit between the world of mortals and God. It unites the fleeting “today” to eternity. If it sides with “today” and starts “updating” the “old-fashioned” stuff aggressively—it is not a church. It no longer connects man with God, it no longer connects today with eternity, it is no longer a place out of time where men and women can feel the presence of the divine.

  • Anon[334] • Disclaimer says:
    @American Citizen 2.0
    I was raised to be a Fundamentalist Christian, to believe the Bible is the literal, inspired word of God. Baptists, in our worldview, were not Scriptural Christians in myriad ways. Their approach to Christianity is deviant at best. They have been propelled into the 21st century mainly because they provide a much needed social outlet for a lot of people in small town America who would otherwise probably just be Methodists if push came to shove. Obviously, Methodists are the spawn of Satan along with Episcopalians from a 1st century literalist, fundamentalist point of view. I remember riding in the car with my grandpa as a kid going to church and whenever we would pass any other church but our own he would point out that they are all going to hell.

    What caused me to give up that worldview as an adult? One of the big things that changed how I see life is moving to a big city and seeing how Black churches are basically funded by wealthy white people to encourage all kinds of political organizing. I realized that in the olden days the same thing happened all over America. Churches were a kind of political headquarters for different groups. For the most part the mere fact that you were a member of the church sufficed and nothing about the doctrines or beliefs mattered all that much. They were early social networks financed by rich people for political ends. In the cold war, the fanatical adherence to Christianity underpinned our resistance to Soviet aggression. So the government encouraged faith institutions.

    I guess I quit being a Christian as an adult because I ended up feeling like I was being manipulated into serving other people's, wealthy people's, ends with no real benefit to myself other than a sense of belonging. I don't believe that Jesus was God in any sense. I don't believe that Israel was the chosen nation. It all just seemed like a way of manipulating lonely, confused, tired people who lived miserable lives of toil in small towns, a kind of predatory exploitation of their need to belong.

    So, now I meditate instead. Not that I am a buddhist or anything, because that all seems like malarky too, but the mere act of meditating has been practiced for thousands of years all over the world by people in all kinds of circumstances. I get a sense of connection and belonging from being a part of that lineage and that's good enough for me.

    This Christianity nonsense has served it function and should be abandoned. We won the cold war. We don't need an army of fanatical zealots willing to die for god and country anymore.

    Replies: @Parsnipitous, @Anon

    I guess I quit being a Christian as an adult because I ended up feeling like I was being manipulated into serving other people’s, wealthy people’s, ends with no real benefit to myself other than a sense of belonging.

    That manipulation may have been true, but I think that the primary issue with your disconnect is that you misunderstand Christianity. Which is not a personal flaw of yours.

    Most professed Christians misunderstand it when they make a concerted effort to understand it at all. Even and perhaps especially literalists. It is easily misunderstood because its meanings are occluded. The Bible is literal in a manner of speaking, but the literal story is encoded in symbol.

    This should not be a surprise given Judaism’s well-known esoterism, as well as the practically indecipherable nature of many of Christianity’s precepts.

    To wit, I have never read anyone explain in plain and compelling (not to mention accurate) language why it is necessary for Christ to manifest on Earth and to die for our sins or why it is necessary to eat his body and drink his blood.

    We are expected simply to accept these actions as logical acts of our God. In reality, to do so makes no sense beyond a commitment to blind faith that is, in the end, necessary for virtually all long-term Christians due to the hidden meanings.

    Yet, there are concrete theological reasons for both of these acts, which are given in the Bible (but not stated to be such). The meanings of these acts are occluded, likely so that they survive Christianity’s enemies as the eternal conflict is accelerated according to the stated events.

    Then there is highly fantastical nature of the Genesis stories that form Christianity’s foundation. The meanings are occluded under talk of a Garden, a couple of Trees, a God, a Serpent, a Temptation, a Fall, and finally a murder.

    Understanding what these symbolically occluded events actually mean is essential to understanding Christianity’s meanings and sacraments. Because Christianity’s meanings primarily deal with these first and therefore most essential events.

    The most important themes repeat throughout the Bible.

    All of it matters to Christianity’s meanings, and none of it is explained. The meanings are kept hidden until, as Christ states, the apocalypse (literally “the uncovering”).

    Judaism and Christianity’s stories are the combined story of the political events of a cyclical civilizational cycle, but possibly also more.

    It may be the tale (and method) of the engineered development of the human race: similar to how one breeds show dogs, race horses, or, in more biblical terminology, fruit / crops.

    In other words, the nature of the Semitic religions is primarily political rather than spiritual.

    Which is why these religions specialize in the distasteful sects that you mention, instead of buddhist style Monastaries.

    Like its antithetical compliment Judaism, Christianity is more akin to a dictation of past and future political reality and a set of instructions for how to survive its enactment rather than a religion in the sense that the spiritual development of buddhism is a religion.

    For Christians, there is an aspect of the cultivation of the spirit. And if one remains blindly committed then it is true that is all one would need to realize Christ’s promises.

    Yet, the primary themes are not spiritiual development methods. Many themes are counter-intuitive morality instructions. However, mostly, in both the Tanakh and the New Testament ,the themes are a narrative progression of a hero’s journey. First Israel and one if its tribes, the Jews, and later for Christ.

    Those are the narratives of the conflict that is to be the world’s fate, or its cycle.

    Whether or not you believe in it is irrelevant as to whether or not it exists or will continue to happen as stated.

    It believes in you, whether it is a highly successful psychopathic cult that has somehow survived to dominate in the 21st century and entrap us in a worldwide cultic ritual that is stated to end in a mass human sacrifice and “harvest” of the best “fruit” or “wheat”.

    Or whether it is the core explanation of human existence, its methods are the probable cause of human existence, and its explanation and methods are the cause of civilization.

    Whatever it is, it is here and in control. One can’t opt out like one can for a spiritual development practice. By trying not to play a role, you are playing a role. Its’ narrative and mechanisms are comprehensive in that manner.

    I don’t believe that Jesus was God in any sense.

    That would depend on who you are according to how the Bible maps your specific existence onto the roles encoded in the Bible.

    There are two essential actors in the Bible. Everyone is mapped to one. Christ represents one of them, but he also has other identities in the Bible. If you are mapped to Christ’s people, then he is your God as what he represents is your origin and continuity. He represents your template. His defeat represents yours. His death represents your death. His resurrection represents yours. His avenging return represents your revenge. His victory represents yours, in every possible way. Which would be a deeper way to explain the Judeo-Christian concept of God.

    Naturally, your enemies will hate your God and want the worst for him – including death. Which means that they want the worst for you. Christ’s victory means their defeat and death and that of their god.

    I don’t believe that Israel was the chosen nation.

    For lack of space I’ll keep this vague: that depends both on which God is choosing which portion of Israel. Both portions of Israel are chosen, according to the dual-actor concept that I prior mentioned, but I will offer that the Bi-Ble is a story about more than one God. How many Gods are in the Garden? Who descends from them?

    It all just seemed like a way of manipulating lonely, confused, tired people who lived miserable lives of toil in small towns, a kind of predatory exploitation of their need to belong.

    It can be. But its also the likely core story of civilization as well as an encoded document of the mechanisms behind it.

    So, now I meditate instead. Not that I am a buddhist or anything, because that all seems like malarky too, but the mere act of meditating has been practiced for thousands of years all over the world by people in all kinds of circumstances. I get a sense of connection and belonging from being a part of that lineage and that’s good enough for me.

    There is nothing wrong with meditating. But you are mostly doing that whenever you are engaged in a task but thinking about something else.

    This Christianity nonsense has served it function and should be abandoned.

    Specifically, Christianity is both the method and the story of the release of the world from the evil force in the world. Though, even if one didn’t believe that – what is true is that Christianity explains the inescapable future. There is no way to abandon it. It will continue to play out whether or not you believe in it.

    We won the cold war. We don’t need an army of fanatical zealots willing to die for god and country anymore.

    Since when are the National Guard, the Reserves, or their civilian equivalents armies of “fanatical zealots” and not a righteous force of preservation against threats, for example, such as against the masses of revolutionary communists who are rioting in every major American city with backing of local governments and corporate America?

    There is no more cold war because the Soviets have always been here biding their time, and are now ready to act on American soil. But this is also covered in the Bible. Conceive of who gives them their power, and then find this described in Revelation.

    • Replies: @American Citizen 2.0
    @Anon

    I don't usually read the Anon comments but in this case, I think yours was a good one with lots of ideas worth thinking about. I appreciate the detailed discussion.

    As for why God appeared as Jesus in real life as a part of history, the bible does explain that fairly clearly. There are two realms: heaven and earth. Man, because of the soul, unites those two realms. But when people sin, they end up living in the earthly realm separated from God. Everyone sins. So, Jesus came here and reunited the two realms by giving himself as a sacrifice so that now we can live with God again in heaven. He couldn't just show up out of the blue born anywhere because nobody would have known what the point of the sacrifice is/was, which is why God made a covenant with Abraham and unfolded the story in history by having him be born in a specific time and place to people who understood the nature of God's plan to reconcile heaven and earth and who understood what sin is.

    Anyway that's how it was explained to me when I was young.

  • @American Citizen 2.0
    I was raised to be a Fundamentalist Christian, to believe the Bible is the literal, inspired word of God. Baptists, in our worldview, were not Scriptural Christians in myriad ways. Their approach to Christianity is deviant at best. They have been propelled into the 21st century mainly because they provide a much needed social outlet for a lot of people in small town America who would otherwise probably just be Methodists if push came to shove. Obviously, Methodists are the spawn of Satan along with Episcopalians from a 1st century literalist, fundamentalist point of view. I remember riding in the car with my grandpa as a kid going to church and whenever we would pass any other church but our own he would point out that they are all going to hell.

    What caused me to give up that worldview as an adult? One of the big things that changed how I see life is moving to a big city and seeing how Black churches are basically funded by wealthy white people to encourage all kinds of political organizing. I realized that in the olden days the same thing happened all over America. Churches were a kind of political headquarters for different groups. For the most part the mere fact that you were a member of the church sufficed and nothing about the doctrines or beliefs mattered all that much. They were early social networks financed by rich people for political ends. In the cold war, the fanatical adherence to Christianity underpinned our resistance to Soviet aggression. So the government encouraged faith institutions.

    I guess I quit being a Christian as an adult because I ended up feeling like I was being manipulated into serving other people's, wealthy people's, ends with no real benefit to myself other than a sense of belonging. I don't believe that Jesus was God in any sense. I don't believe that Israel was the chosen nation. It all just seemed like a way of manipulating lonely, confused, tired people who lived miserable lives of toil in small towns, a kind of predatory exploitation of their need to belong.

    So, now I meditate instead. Not that I am a buddhist or anything, because that all seems like malarky too, but the mere act of meditating has been practiced for thousands of years all over the world by people in all kinds of circumstances. I get a sense of connection and belonging from being a part of that lineage and that's good enough for me.

    This Christianity nonsense has served it function and should be abandoned. We won the cold war. We don't need an army of fanatical zealots willing to die for god and country anymore.

    Replies: @Parsnipitous, @Anon

    Just because you were fucked in the head as a youngster… but thanks for your advice on abandoning all Christianity: we’ll still have “Whiteness” to cling onto against the savage onslaught.

    • Replies: @American Citizen 2.0
    @Parsnipitous

    Do you think that kind of language and rage would attract anyone to Christianity or whiteness?

    I wouldn't say I was "fucked in the head". The people I went to Church with as a kid had a sincere belief in 1st Century Christianity and they had traditions that were founded on centuries of research and Biblical scholarship.

    But anyway, your comment is repulsive. The fact that you would reply to a sincere comment about faith in such a repulsive way speaks volumes. Disgusting man. Just disgusting.

    I will leave it at that.

  • Anon[152] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon
    @Gordo

    The internationalist Jewish cult known as Christianity has been Blacked from its infancy. The Ethiopian eunuch was one of the first converts, and Acts 13:1 mentions Simeon the Nigger in a leadership position. Christianity cannot be "pro-White" and reject these Black Christians in the New Testament without blaspheming the Holy Spirit.

    Replies: @Anon

    Christianity is not pro-Black.

    I don’t disagree that it is a cult, along with its associate religions.

    Indeed, we are now strapped into the workings of this world-encompassing cult ritual until its end.

    Whether the cult describes and has facilitated human development from the beginning, or it is a parasitical and fatal cancer, what it does its describe and is responsible for the current demographic structure and trajectory of human civilization.

    Whether or not the ritual has always been a part of human development and civilization, or is an aberrant artifact of copper age human psychopathy, is open for debate.

    It will be impossible to know until this is over.

    Which means that, in essence, at the moment it doesn’t matter if the cult is good or evil. We are strapped in for the ride over the cliff.

    Arguably everything that you are seeing now is that cult ritual. Everyone has a part to play, no exceptions.

    But the cult isn’t pro-Black. it is intentionally deceptive. It is intentionally and deeply coded. It is intentionally dualistic. it is a test. It does describe the current reality and what is expected. It isn’t Jewish in that Jews are not controlling it from both sides. Though, they do represent one of the two majors actors in the cult.

    The Jewish role is described both openly and in code, in the Bible. They are favored by one of the Gods in the Bible, which is for whom they speak and speak of, but not by the Other. Though they also speak of the Other.

    Start with Genesis. The most pertinent information is within the first few chapters. Then read Revelation. Begin looking for parallel identities, often coded with references to animals, farming, or animal husbandry, and keep your mind working as to what the confusing references (people, animals, insects, smoke, clothing, etc) could mean when decoded. Knowing how the rabbis decode such language will help.

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
    @Anon


    Start with Genesis. The most pertinent information is within the first few chapters. Then read Revelation.
     
    Like many people, you are using a very broad brush, and miss context.
    It is true that the early RC Church was somewhat lenient toward Jews, however, they believed Jews would eventually convert. The Reformation was as much a financial rift as a theological rift. The Holy Roman Empire controlled trade, and the Northern German Princes weren't happy about that. Luther gave them the excuse. In the beginning, Luther maintained the RC belief that Jews would eventually convert. He regretted including the Old Testament in his Bible translation, as his doctrine was that the Old Testament was irrelevant. It's relevance ended when the New Testament was created. That is why this toy is Auntie Shem-itic.
    https://www.tagesspiegel.de/images/playmobil-luther-ging-schon-400-000-mal-weg/12908354/2-format43.jpg
    After reading the Talmud, Luther wrote "On The Jews and Their Lies", which, of course, is Auntie Shem-itic. I was raised a Lutheran before the late 60s split. There was no praise of Jews in that doctrine, unlike the Baptists and other "Protestant" sects, and the Old Testament was only there for reference of how the Jews f'ed up their side of the bargain and what not to do. They aren't chosen, Christians are.
    There is no question that the Christian Churches have been infiltrated, and much more successfully in the (((West))) than the East, but let's keep things in perspective.

    Replies: @Curmudgeon

  • Anon[386] • Disclaimer says:

    The Bible has one meaning. It is coded and highly complex.

    Recent events are a good key to assist in clarification.

    Knowledge of other ancient Eurasian religions and myths can help, as there are parallel stories that reveal meaning and predict outcomes.

    However, all meaning is also contained within the Bible.

    Regardless, you either know what it means or you don’t. It isn’t open to interpretation. It’s open to guessing, but not authoritative interpretation.

    Anyone stating otherwise is a false teacher. That is not open to debate.

  • For 3000 years — from Moses to Pope Leo X — charging interest on a loan was a mortal sin. Then Leo, a member of the De Medici banking family, overturned the ancient teaching in order “to help the poor.” Protestants quickly followed suit. How’s it going so far?

    Dante, who fled Florence to escape the De Medici, linked charging interest on a loan (usury) with sexual perversion (sodomy) in his masterwork The Inferno.

    Dante was right. People today are drowning in debt but also are beset by more sexual perversions than there are letters in the alphabet.

    • Thanks: Insouciant
  • BLM is a Marxist outfit and that is ALL you need to know.

    • Agree: Based Lad
  • As far as I can see, that leaves only the Nederlaandse Reformed Church.
    (“The kaffir is my brother in Christ – yet nowhere does it say my brother-in-law” 😛 )

  • You can always tell a Baptist, you just can’t tell them much…..

  • American Citizen 2.0 says:

    I was raised to be a Fundamentalist Christian, to believe the Bible is the literal, inspired word of God. Baptists, in our worldview, were not Scriptural Christians in myriad ways. Their approach to Christianity is deviant at best. They have been propelled into the 21st century mainly because they provide a much needed social outlet for a lot of people in small town America who would otherwise probably just be Methodists if push came to shove. Obviously, Methodists are the spawn of Satan along with Episcopalians from a 1st century literalist, fundamentalist point of view. I remember riding in the car with my grandpa as a kid going to church and whenever we would pass any other church but our own he would point out that they are all going to hell.

    What caused me to give up that worldview as an adult? One of the big things that changed how I see life is moving to a big city and seeing how Black churches are basically funded by wealthy white people to encourage all kinds of political organizing. I realized that in the olden days the same thing happened all over America. Churches were a kind of political headquarters for different groups. For the most part the mere fact that you were a member of the church sufficed and nothing about the doctrines or beliefs mattered all that much. They were early social networks financed by rich people for political ends. In the cold war, the fanatical adherence to Christianity underpinned our resistance to Soviet aggression. So the government encouraged faith institutions.

    I guess I quit being a Christian as an adult because I ended up feeling like I was being manipulated into serving other people’s, wealthy people’s, ends with no real benefit to myself other than a sense of belonging. I don’t believe that Jesus was God in any sense. I don’t believe that Israel was the chosen nation. It all just seemed like a way of manipulating lonely, confused, tired people who lived miserable lives of toil in small towns, a kind of predatory exploitation of their need to belong.

    So, now I meditate instead. Not that I am a buddhist or anything, because that all seems like malarky too, but the mere act of meditating has been practiced for thousands of years all over the world by people in all kinds of circumstances. I get a sense of connection and belonging from being a part of that lineage and that’s good enough for me.

    This Christianity nonsense has served it function and should be abandoned. We won the cold war. We don’t need an army of fanatical zealots willing to die for god and country anymore.

    • Replies: @Parsnipitous
    @American Citizen 2.0

    Just because you were fucked in the head as a youngster... but thanks for your advice on abandoning all Christianity: we'll still have "Whiteness" to cling onto against the savage onslaught.

    Replies: @American Citizen 2.0

    , @Anon
    @American Citizen 2.0


    I guess I quit being a Christian as an adult because I ended up feeling like I was being manipulated into serving other people’s, wealthy people’s, ends with no real benefit to myself other than a sense of belonging.
     
    That manipulation may have been true, but I think that the primary issue with your disconnect is that you misunderstand Christianity. Which is not a personal flaw of yours.

    Most professed Christians misunderstand it when they make a concerted effort to understand it at all. Even and perhaps especially literalists. It is easily misunderstood because its meanings are occluded. The Bible is literal in a manner of speaking, but the literal story is encoded in symbol.

    This should not be a surprise given Judaism's well-known esoterism, as well as the practically indecipherable nature of many of Christianity's precepts.

    To wit, I have never read anyone explain in plain and compelling (not to mention accurate) language why it is necessary for Christ to manifest on Earth and to die for our sins or why it is necessary to eat his body and drink his blood.

    We are expected simply to accept these actions as logical acts of our God. In reality, to do so makes no sense beyond a commitment to blind faith that is, in the end, necessary for virtually all long-term Christians due to the hidden meanings.

    Yet, there are concrete theological reasons for both of these acts, which are given in the Bible (but not stated to be such). The meanings of these acts are occluded, likely so that they survive Christianity's enemies as the eternal conflict is accelerated according to the stated events.

    Then there is highly fantastical nature of the Genesis stories that form Christianity's foundation. The meanings are occluded under talk of a Garden, a couple of Trees, a God, a Serpent, a Temptation, a Fall, and finally a murder.

    Understanding what these symbolically occluded events actually mean is essential to understanding Christianity's meanings and sacraments. Because Christianity's meanings primarily deal with these first and therefore most essential events.

    The most important themes repeat throughout the Bible.

    All of it matters to Christianity's meanings, and none of it is explained. The meanings are kept hidden until, as Christ states, the apocalypse (literally "the uncovering").

    Judaism and Christianity's stories are the combined story of the political events of a cyclical civilizational cycle, but possibly also more.

    It may be the tale (and method) of the engineered development of the human race: similar to how one breeds show dogs, race horses, or, in more biblical terminology, fruit / crops.

    In other words, the nature of the Semitic religions is primarily political rather than spiritual.

    Which is why these religions specialize in the distasteful sects that you mention, instead of buddhist style Monastaries.

    Like its antithetical compliment Judaism, Christianity is more akin to a dictation of past and future political reality and a set of instructions for how to survive its enactment rather than a religion in the sense that the spiritual development of buddhism is a religion.

    For Christians, there is an aspect of the cultivation of the spirit. And if one remains blindly committed then it is true that is all one would need to realize Christ's promises.

    Yet, the primary themes are not spiritiual development methods. Many themes are counter-intuitive morality instructions. However, mostly, in both the Tanakh and the New Testament ,the themes are a narrative progression of a hero's journey. First Israel and one if its tribes, the Jews, and later for Christ.

    Those are the narratives of the conflict that is to be the world's fate, or its cycle.

    Whether or not you believe in it is irrelevant as to whether or not it exists or will continue to happen as stated.

    It believes in you, whether it is a highly successful psychopathic cult that has somehow survived to dominate in the 21st century and entrap us in a worldwide cultic ritual that is stated to end in a mass human sacrifice and "harvest" of the best "fruit" or "wheat".

    Or whether it is the core explanation of human existence, its methods are the probable cause of human existence, and its explanation and methods are the cause of civilization.

    Whatever it is, it is here and in control. One can't opt out like one can for a spiritual development practice. By trying not to play a role, you are playing a role. Its' narrative and mechanisms are comprehensive in that manner.


    I don’t believe that Jesus was God in any sense.
     
    That would depend on who you are according to how the Bible maps your specific existence onto the roles encoded in the Bible.

    There are two essential actors in the Bible. Everyone is mapped to one. Christ represents one of them, but he also has other identities in the Bible. If you are mapped to Christ's people, then he is your God as what he represents is your origin and continuity. He represents your template. His defeat represents yours. His death represents your death. His resurrection represents yours. His avenging return represents your revenge. His victory represents yours, in every possible way. Which would be a deeper way to explain the Judeo-Christian concept of God.

    Naturally, your enemies will hate your God and want the worst for him - including death. Which means that they want the worst for you. Christ's victory means their defeat and death and that of their god.


    I don’t believe that Israel was the chosen nation.
     
    For lack of space I'll keep this vague: that depends both on which God is choosing which portion of Israel. Both portions of Israel are chosen, according to the dual-actor concept that I prior mentioned, but I will offer that the Bi-Ble is a story about more than one God. How many Gods are in the Garden? Who descends from them?

    It all just seemed like a way of manipulating lonely, confused, tired people who lived miserable lives of toil in small towns, a kind of predatory exploitation of their need to belong.
     
    It can be. But its also the likely core story of civilization as well as an encoded document of the mechanisms behind it.

    So, now I meditate instead. Not that I am a buddhist or anything, because that all seems like malarky too, but the mere act of meditating has been practiced for thousands of years all over the world by people in all kinds of circumstances. I get a sense of connection and belonging from being a part of that lineage and that’s good enough for me.
     
    There is nothing wrong with meditating. But you are mostly doing that whenever you are engaged in a task but thinking about something else.

    This Christianity nonsense has served it function and should be abandoned.
     
    Specifically, Christianity is both the method and the story of the release of the world from the evil force in the world. Though, even if one didn't believe that - what is true is that Christianity explains the inescapable future. There is no way to abandon it. It will continue to play out whether or not you believe in it.

    We won the cold war. We don’t need an army of fanatical zealots willing to die for god and country anymore.
     
    Since when are the National Guard, the Reserves, or their civilian equivalents armies of "fanatical zealots" and not a righteous force of preservation against threats, for example, such as against the masses of revolutionary communists who are rioting in every major American city with backing of local governments and corporate America?

    There is no more cold war because the Soviets have always been here biding their time, and are now ready to act on American soil. But this is also covered in the Bible. Conceive of who gives them their power, and then find this described in Revelation.

    Replies: @American Citizen 2.0

  • anon[252] • Disclaimer says:
    @Gordo
    Any organisation which is not explicitly pro-White will become anti-White as it is assimilated by the establishment.

    Any organisation which is explicitly pro-White will be attacked with lawfare by the establishment.

    Keeping your organisations small scale and networking informally can be useful.

    Replies: @anon

    The internationalist Jewish cult known as Christianity has been Blacked from its infancy. The Ethiopian eunuch was one of the first converts, and Acts 13:1 mentions Simeon the Nigger in a leadership position. Christianity cannot be “pro-White” and reject these Black Christians in the New Testament without blaspheming the Holy Spirit.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @anon

    Christianity is not pro-Black.

    I don't disagree that it is a cult, along with its associate religions.

    Indeed, we are now strapped into the workings of this world-encompassing cult ritual until its end.

    Whether the cult describes and has facilitated human development from the beginning, or it is a parasitical and fatal cancer, what it does its describe and is responsible for the current demographic structure and trajectory of human civilization.

    Whether or not the ritual has always been a part of human development and civilization, or is an aberrant artifact of copper age human psychopathy, is open for debate.

    It will be impossible to know until this is over.

    Which means that, in essence, at the moment it doesn't matter if the cult is good or evil. We are strapped in for the ride over the cliff.

    Arguably everything that you are seeing now is that cult ritual. Everyone has a part to play, no exceptions.

    But the cult isn't pro-Black. it is intentionally deceptive. It is intentionally and deeply coded. It is intentionally dualistic. it is a test. It does describe the current reality and what is expected. It isn't Jewish in that Jews are not controlling it from both sides. Though, they do represent one of the two majors actors in the cult.

    The Jewish role is described both openly and in code, in the Bible. They are favored by one of the Gods in the Bible, which is for whom they speak and speak of, but not by the Other. Though they also speak of the Other.

    Start with Genesis. The most pertinent information is within the first few chapters. Then read Revelation. Begin looking for parallel identities, often coded with references to animals, farming, or animal husbandry, and keep your mind working as to what the confusing references (people, animals, insects, smoke, clothing, etc) could mean when decoded. Knowing how the rabbis decode such language will help.

    Replies: @Curmudgeon

  • David Fuller is quoted as saying:

    Hall is a self-avowed racist. He incredibly claimed on video, “I’m a racist. … I’ll struggle with racism and white supremacy till the day I die.”

    That doesn’t mean he’s a racist. It means he’s a “struggler”.

    Same as if a Bolshie declares publicly that he’s a “reactionary”, that doesn’t mean he’s into Capitalism. It means he’s trying to keep the door to the upper Bolshie rangs open.

  • Any organisation which is not explicitly pro-White will become anti-White as it is assimilated by the establishment.

    Any organisation which is explicitly pro-White will be attacked with lawfare by the establishment.

    Keeping your organisations small scale and networking informally can be useful.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Gordo

    The internationalist Jewish cult known as Christianity has been Blacked from its infancy. The Ethiopian eunuch was one of the first converts, and Acts 13:1 mentions Simeon the Nigger in a leadership position. Christianity cannot be "pro-White" and reject these Black Christians in the New Testament without blaspheming the Holy Spirit.

    Replies: @Anon

  • That’s what happens when you f up your religion with things like the scoffed bible, trinity, etc. the goos own you, play you like fiddles and shite on you!

  • TIME TO GET OUT OF CHRISTIANITY–THE CANCER OF THE WHITE RACE.

    Thanks, Sir. I agree it is time to get out not just the SBC, but this Middle Eastern cult called Christianity. The Pope is so evil, he kisses the feet of cesspool colored alien invaders.

    “This eternal accusation against Christianity I shall write upon all walls, wherever walls are to be found I have letters that even the blind will be able to see. I call Christianity the one great curse, the one great intrinsic depravity, the one great instinct of revenge, for which no means are venomous enough, or secret, subterranean and small enough, I call it the one immortal blemish upon the human race.” — Friedrich Nietzsche

    Another reason is jesusneverexisted.com

    • Agree: Based Lad