Hersh never claimed that Pollard delivered materials directly to the USSR. His argument was more subtle:
In reality, nothing pertinent to the USSR came from Pollard.
> He reported that some officials believed certain documents Pollard gave Israel were of practical importance to the USSR
That misinformation originates from Ames.
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The CIA put Aldrich Ames in charge of investigating Pollard for a damage assessment. Ames began fabricating a secret file that cast blame on Israel for selling to the KGB the data it had received from Pollard. Then Ames leaked to the press allegations that the information Pollard fed Israel included the secret codes for American agents working in the Soviet Union, thus endangering their lives…
Ames’s web of allegations against Pollard assumed that Pollard, a GS-12 security analyst, had access to such top-secret CIA data as the “huge national security agency compendium of frequencies” and the codes of American spies working in the Soviet Union. All intelligence experts knew that Pollard was too low level an analyst to have had any access to such data. As Codevilla pointed out: “Jonathan Pollard could not have provided codes, because he did not have any access to codes. GS-12 analysts don’t.” [7]
Former Justice Department attorney John Loftus explained: “In order to hide his own espionage for the Russians, Ames successfully pointed the finger of suspicion at Pollard for the spate of serious leaks that crippled U.S. networks inside the Soviet Union.” [8]
Loftus went on to say: “Several investigations from CIA and NIS [Naval Investigative Service] have made sheepish admission that Pollard was the victim of hysterical over-reaction.” Loftus quoted Naval Intelligence sources as admitting that “90 percent of the things we accused [Pollard] of stealing, he didn’t even have access to.” [9]
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Although Ames was caught in 1994, Hanssen wasn’t caught until 2001. That will have continued to influence articles produced in the 1990s, even after Ames had been caught.
In reality, nothing pertinent to the USSR came from Pollard.
Hersh never claimed that Pollard delivered materials directly to the USSR. His argument was more subtle:
• He reported that some officials believed certain documents Pollard gave Israel were of practical importance to the USSR, meaning that if the Soviets somehow obtained them (directly or via Israel), they would gain a strategic advantage.
• Hersh’s article focused on the potential utility of Pollard’s materials to Soviet intelligence, not on actual delivery.
• The later arrests of Ames and Hanssen showed that most verified Soviet gains came from them, but this does not contradict the claims made by some officials about the intrinsic value of Pollard’s documents.
So, Hersh’s statement remains factually correct in terms of the documents’ content, even if actual Soviet espionage losses were dominated by Ames and Hanssen.
This is misdirection. You haven’t addressed the crux of what Hersh and others have alleged:
Jonathan Pollard gave information to Israeli contacts about Arabs, but he knew absolutely nothing about CIA contacts in the USSR.
According to ChatGPT:
According to some officials… a significant percentage of Pollard’s documents, including some that described the techniques the American Navy used to track Soviet submarines around the world, was of practical importance only to the Soviet Union
Replies: @Patrick McNally
Former Defense Secretary Caspar Weinberger emphasized in court that Pollard’s disclosures caused “immense” damage, and others in the intelligence community argued that the submarine-tracking information was particularly dangerous, since it could compromise America’s ability to monitor Soviet naval movements.
While Pollard and his supporters insisted he only spied for Israel, critics maintained that some of what he handed over ended up in Soviet hands, either through intelligence trade or leaks.
> According to some officials…
This was written for January 10, 1999. Robert Hanssen was only caught on February 20, 2001. The “some officials” that are involved here will have not only included Hanssen personally, but people who had been duped by the false leads planted by both Hanssen and Aldrich Ames (who had been caught earlier in 1994). In reality, nothing pertinent to the USSR came from Pollard. It came from Ames and Hanssen and was blamed on Pollard as a diversion. That has all become clear since Hanssen was arrested in 2001.
Hersh never claimed that Pollard delivered materials directly to the USSR. His argument was more subtle:
In reality, nothing pertinent to the USSR came from Pollard.
Jonathan Pollard gave information to Israeli contacts about Arabs, but he knew absolutely nothing about CIA contacts in the USSR.
This is misdirection. You haven’t addressed the crux of what Hersh and others have alleged:
According to some officials… a significant percentage of Pollard’s documents, including some that described the techniques the American Navy used to track Soviet submarines around the world, was of practical importance only to the Soviet Union
According to ChatGPT:
Former Defense Secretary Caspar Weinberger emphasized in court that Pollard’s disclosures caused “immense” damage, and others in the intelligence community argued that the submarine-tracking information was particularly dangerous, since it could compromise America’s ability to monitor Soviet naval movements.
While Pollard and his supporters insisted he only spied for Israel, critics maintained that some of what he handed over ended up in Soviet hands, either through intelligence trade or leaks.
Do you even know what these cases were about? One doesn’t have to support Pollard spying for Israel (which he was guilty of) in order to grasp that Pollard was not the one who gave the Soviet KGB data that allowed them to round up CIA spies. That was done by Ames and Hanssen, and the historical record of the future will support this fact.
Earth to McShmooley, it’s 2025. You’re late by three years in your efforts to make gaslighting word of the year, lol.
It was Ames and Hanssen who gave it to the KGB and then circulated a rumor to incriminate Pollard.
Replies: @Patrick McNally
“gaslighting” was named Merriam-Webster’s Word of the Year for 2022.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/arts/gaslighting-is-merriam-websters-2022-word-of-the-year#:~:text=Merriam-Webster%20has%20chosen%20%22gaslighting%22%20as%20its,word%20of%20the%20year%20for%202022.
The reality remains that it was Aldrich Ames and Robert Hanssen who informed Soviet intelligence in 1980s about CIA contacts. Jonathan Pollard gave information to Israeli contacts about Arabs, but he knew absolutely nothing about CIA contacts in the USSR. When Hersh was writing a piece in the late 1990s, Ames had been caught in 1994, but Hanssen would not be caught until 2001. As a result, the story which was fed to Hersh through CIA contacts still reflected the distortions of the original Soviet propaganda which aimed to deflect attention from Ames and Hanssen.
This is misdirection. You haven’t addressed the crux of what Hersh and others have alleged:
Jonathan Pollard gave information to Israeli contacts about Arabs, but he knew absolutely nothing about CIA contacts in the USSR.
According to ChatGPT:
According to some officials… a significant percentage of Pollard’s documents, including some that described the techniques the American Navy used to track Soviet submarines around the world, was of practical importance only to the Soviet Union
Replies: @Patrick McNally
Former Defense Secretary Caspar Weinberger emphasized in court that Pollard’s disclosures caused “immense” damage, and others in the intelligence community argued that the submarine-tracking information was particularly dangerous, since it could compromise America’s ability to monitor Soviet naval movements.
While Pollard and his supporters insisted he only spied for Israel, critics maintained that some of what he handed over ended up in Soviet hands, either through intelligence trade or leaks.
Gosh, Patsy-this ‘aish’ sure seems kosher. A sort of imitation Chabad, designed to spread ‘…timeless Jewish wisdom”..’, around the world. Colour me CON-vinced.
It was Ames and Hanssen who gave it to the KGB and then circulated a rumor to incriminate Pollard.
Earth to McShmooley, it’s 2025. You’re late by three years in your efforts to make gaslighting word of the year, lol.
“gaslighting” was named Merriam-Webster’s Word of the Year for 2022.
Oh, I see. So, the officials that shared their views with Hersh were also probably unaware of this so-called “newer information,” right?Excerpt from New Yorker intro to Hersh’s article, The Traitor:
Hersh simply didn’t take into account the newer information about Aldrich Ames and Robert Hanssen and therefore continued with the presumption that an Israeli agent had somehow given something from Pollard to the Soviets.
Replies: @Patrick McNally
A number of officials strongly suspect that the Israelis repackaged much of Pollard’s material and provided it to the Soviet Union in exchange for continued Soviet permission for Jews to emigrate to Israel. Other officials go further, and say there was reason to believe that secret information was exchanged for Jews working in highly sensitive positions in the Soviet Union. A significant percentage of Pollard’s documents, including some that described the techniques the American Navy used to track Soviet submarines around the world, was of practical importance only to the Soviet Unionhttps://www.newyorker.com/magazine/1999/01/18/the-traitor
> the officials that shared their views with Hersh were also probably unaware
Or else simply covering their own past mistakes. The fact that Aldrich Ames and Robert Hanssen were the ones who gave the USSR intelligence which enabled them to capture people whom the CIA had been using for its network:
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/aldrich-ames-captured-spies-punishments-1.7100439
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“The reason that Ames is going to die in prison is that his betrayal led directly to the deaths of the dozen or so Soviet and Soviet bloc recruited foreign agents that had worked for the United States going back to the 1960s,” said journalist Tim Weiner, co-author of Betrayal: The Story of Aldrich Ames, an American Spy…
In February 2001, Robert Hanssen, a 25-year FBI veteran, was arrested and charged with espionage. He died in prison last year at age 79, while serving a life sentence.
In exchange for a mix of diamonds and cash, Hanssen gave up valuable American secrets to Moscow — including names of people working for the U.S., some of whom Ames had separately disclosed.
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It was Aldrich Ames who was put in charge of Pollard’s case after the arrest on November 22, 1985, and it was Ames who fabricated the charges of Pollard having allegedly sent information which dealt with US agents in the USSR. Although Pollard legally charged with this, the assumption became widespread and only started to fall apart Ames had been caught. Ames made the claim that somehow Pollard had access to top-secret CIA data which involved codes of US spies in the USSR. Pollard never possessed such data, but Ames and Hanssen did. It was Ames and Hanssen who gave it to the KGB and then circulated a rumor to incriminate Pollard.
Earth to McShmooley, it’s 2025. You’re late by three years in your efforts to make gaslighting word of the year, lol.
It was Ames and Hanssen who gave it to the KGB and then circulated a rumor to incriminate Pollard.
Replies: @Patrick McNally
“gaslighting” was named Merriam-Webster’s Word of the Year for 2022.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/arts/gaslighting-is-merriam-websters-2022-word-of-the-year#:~:text=Merriam-Webster%20has%20chosen%20%22gaslighting%22%20as%20its,word%20of%20the%20year%20for%202022.
Hersh simply didn’t take into account the newer information about Aldrich Ames and Robert Hanssen and therefore continued with the presumption that an Israeli agent had somehow given something from Pollard to the Soviets.
Oh, I see. So, the officials that shared their views with Hersh were also probably unaware of this so-called “newer information,” right?
Excerpt from New Yorker intro to Hersh’s article, The Traitor:
A number of officials strongly suspect that the Israelis repackaged much of Pollard’s material and provided it to the Soviet Union in exchange for continued Soviet permission for Jews to emigrate to Israel. Other officials go further, and say there was reason to believe that secret information was exchanged for Jews working in highly sensitive positions in the Soviet Union. A significant percentage of Pollard’s documents, including some that described the techniques the American Navy used to track Soviet submarines around the world, was of practical importance only to the Soviet Union
Replies: @Patrick McNally
Great question — this is where much of the mythos around Jonathan Pollard takes off beyond the courtroom record. Seymour Hersh’s 1999 New Yorker article (“The Traitor”) is the single most influential account tying Pollard’s espionage to Moscow, and it explains why, even decades later, people talk about Pollard in the context of U.S.–Soviet intelligence battles. Let me break this down in depth.
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1. Hersh’s central claimHersh argued that Israeli intelligence services, particularly the Lakam (Bureau of Scientific Relations) that ran Pollard, did not keep all of Pollard’s haul to themselves. Instead, some of the most valuable U.S. intelligence—especially concerning Soviet military systems—was allegedly bartered to Moscow.The alleged purpose:
• To secure Soviet Jewish emigration concessions (Israel wanted more Soviet Jews allowed to leave for Israel).
• To gain other strategic or diplomatic benefits from Moscow during a tense Cold War period.
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2. Basis of Hersh’s reportingHersh cited multiple unnamed U.S. intelligence officials, including people who had direct access to damage assessments. According to these sources:
• Content matched Soviet interests: Pollard’s take included details on U.S. collection against Soviet submarines, air defenses, and nuclear capabilities—gold for Moscow’s military planners.
• Trade suspicion: U.S. analysts concluded it was unlikely Israel alone needed all of the material Pollard stole, but the Soviets certainly did. This fueled suspicions of a quid pro quo.
• Israeli-Soviet backchannels: By the late 1980s, Israel and the USSR were exploring ways to thaw relations, especially over Jewish emigration. Some U.S. officials believed Pollard’s material was a bargaining chip…In short: Hersh’s 1999 article argued that Israel repackaged Pollard’s Soviet-focused intelligence for Moscow, turning a spy-for-an-ally case into a Cold War betrayal of the highest order. While this account has never been officially confirmed and remains contested, it provided a compelling narrative framework for why so many U.S. officials described Pollard’s crime as uniquely catastrophic.
Hersh simply didn’t take into account the newer information about Aldrich Ames and Robert Hanssen and therefore continued with the presumption that an Israeli agent had somehow given something from Pollard to the Soviets.
https://web.archive.org/web/20141103074645/http://www.cbsnews.com/news/a-not-so-secret-tunnel/
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Arrested last month, Hanssen has been accused of spying for Moscow since 1985. He has been accused of giving the Soviets – and later the Russians – secrets that included names of double agents, as well as U.S. electronic surveillance methods.
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In reality, Pollard never had access to the type of information which was relevant for capturing those CIA spies who were caught because of Ames and Hanssen.
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Sy had his leg pulled on Pollard by his CIA sources, as a result of which Sy published a story in the New Yorker in January 1999 claiming that these radio guides were just about the crown jewels of U.S. intelligence. The truth is that certain portions of the guide had already been sold to the Soviets by the Walker spy ring, according to courtroom testimony, which also revealed that the Soviets thought so little of the guides’ value that they did not even bother to ask their top spies, Ames and Hanssen, to steal the remainder of the set. Moreover, as previously noted, the government’s own damage assessment report originally concluded that the loss of the guides was a minor matter.
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Oh, I see. So, the officials that shared their views with Hersh were also probably unaware of this so-called “newer information,” right?Excerpt from New Yorker intro to Hersh’s article, The Traitor:
Hersh simply didn’t take into account the newer information about Aldrich Ames and Robert Hanssen and therefore continued with the presumption that an Israeli agent had somehow given something from Pollard to the Soviets.
Replies: @Patrick McNally
A number of officials strongly suspect that the Israelis repackaged much of Pollard’s material and provided it to the Soviet Union in exchange for continued Soviet permission for Jews to emigrate to Israel. Other officials go further, and say there was reason to believe that secret information was exchanged for Jews working in highly sensitive positions in the Soviet Union. A significant percentage of Pollard’s documents, including some that described the techniques the American Navy used to track Soviet submarines around the world, was of practical importance only to the Soviet Unionhttps://www.newyorker.com/magazine/1999/01/18/the-traitor
To those who are sympathetic to attempts to mitigate the damage done by Pollard, I encourage them to read this response from ChatGPT:
Great question — this is where much of the mythos around Jonathan Pollard takes off beyond the courtroom record. Seymour Hersh’s 1999 New Yorker article (“The Traitor”) is the single most influential account tying Pollard’s espionage to Moscow, and it explains why, even decades later, people talk about Pollard in the context of U.S.–Soviet intelligence battles. Let me break this down in depth.
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1. Hersh’s central claimHersh argued that Israeli intelligence services, particularly the Lakam (Bureau of Scientific Relations) that ran Pollard, did not keep all of Pollard’s haul to themselves. Instead, some of the most valuable U.S. intelligence—especially concerning Soviet military systems—was allegedly bartered to Moscow.
The alleged purpose:
• To secure Soviet Jewish emigration concessions (Israel wanted more Soviet Jews allowed to leave for Israel).
• To gain other strategic or diplomatic benefits from Moscow during a tense Cold War period.
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2. Basis of Hersh’s reportingHersh cited multiple unnamed U.S. intelligence officials, including people who had direct access to damage assessments. According to these sources:
• Content matched Soviet interests: Pollard’s take included details on U.S. collection against Soviet submarines, air defenses, and nuclear capabilities—gold for Moscow’s military planners.
• Trade suspicion: U.S. analysts concluded it was unlikely Israel alone needed all of the material Pollard stole, but the Soviets certainly did. This fueled suspicions of a quid pro quo.
• Israeli-Soviet backchannels: By the late 1980s, Israel and the USSR were exploring ways to thaw relations, especially over Jewish emigration. Some U.S. officials believed Pollard’s material was a bargaining chip…In short: Hersh’s 1999 article argued that Israel repackaged Pollard’s Soviet-focused intelligence for Moscow, turning a spy-for-an-ally case into a Cold War betrayal of the highest order. While this account has never been officially confirmed and remains contested, it provided a compelling narrative framework for why so many U.S. officials described Pollard’s crime as uniquely catastrophic.
Regarding JFK, the jig is up.
Take a look at the document highlighted below and ask yourself, why in the appendix is Shin Bet annotated?
Since the justification for the coup d’tat was treason from an Angelton mole in the Kremlin, ask yourself what’s the odds the mole was a fake Semite and connected to Ben Gurion?
https://ia800501.us.archive.org/26/items/operation-zipper/OperationZipper_text.pdf
It was Aldrich Ames, not Jonathan Pollard, who was behind the leaks to the Soviets. Pollard spied for Israel and that warrants punishment in itself. But the claim that Pollard had somehow given intelligence to the Soviets was a fake cover story pushed by Ames in order to shield himself.
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It was through Ames’s leaking of secret intelligence information that the KGB would identify virtually all of the CIA’s spies in the Soviet Union, effectively shutting down its US covert operations there. “I’m not aware of any other spy or mole in the US that has caused such a loss of human life in terms of human assets,” said Wiser. The sudden disappearance of so many CIA assets did raise alarms and trigger the search for the mole within the Agency in 1986, but Ames would continue to slip under the radar for the best part of a decade.
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Pollard wasn’t the serial killer. The Jew didn’t do it. It was one of their own WASPs — Aldrich Ames, a drunken senior CIA official who sold the names of America’s agents to the Russians for cash. Pollard was framed for Ames’s crime, while Ames kept on drinking and spying for the Soviets for several more years. In fact, Israeli intelligence later suspected that Ames played a direct role in framing Pollard. But no one in America then knew the truth.
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Replies: @Patrick McNally
Great question — this is where much of the mythos around Jonathan Pollard takes off beyond the courtroom record. Seymour Hersh’s 1999 New Yorker article (“The Traitor”) is the single most influential account tying Pollard’s espionage to Moscow, and it explains why, even decades later, people talk about Pollard in the context of U.S.–Soviet intelligence battles. Let me break this down in depth.
⸻
1. Hersh’s central claimHersh argued that Israeli intelligence services, particularly the Lakam (Bureau of Scientific Relations) that ran Pollard, did not keep all of Pollard’s haul to themselves. Instead, some of the most valuable U.S. intelligence—especially concerning Soviet military systems—was allegedly bartered to Moscow.The alleged purpose:
• To secure Soviet Jewish emigration concessions (Israel wanted more Soviet Jews allowed to leave for Israel).
• To gain other strategic or diplomatic benefits from Moscow during a tense Cold War period.
⸻
2. Basis of Hersh’s reportingHersh cited multiple unnamed U.S. intelligence officials, including people who had direct access to damage assessments. According to these sources:
• Content matched Soviet interests: Pollard’s take included details on U.S. collection against Soviet submarines, air defenses, and nuclear capabilities—gold for Moscow’s military planners.
• Trade suspicion: U.S. analysts concluded it was unlikely Israel alone needed all of the material Pollard stole, but the Soviets certainly did. This fueled suspicions of a quid pro quo.
• Israeli-Soviet backchannels: By the late 1980s, Israel and the USSR were exploring ways to thaw relations, especially over Jewish emigration. Some U.S. officials believed Pollard’s material was a bargaining chip…In short: Hersh’s 1999 article argued that Israel repackaged Pollard’s Soviet-focused intelligence for Moscow, turning a spy-for-an-ally case into a Cold War betrayal of the highest order. While this account has never been officially confirmed and remains contested, it provided a compelling narrative framework for why so many U.S. officials described Pollard’s crime as uniquely catastrophic.
Has there been any analysis of these findings in relation to the Israelis turning over to the Soviets the U.S. “SigInt Bible” they netted from Jonathan Pollard, in exchange for liberalizing Russian to Israel emigration?
And is there an overview of Jewish Russian dissidents’ actions furthering the anti-Palestinian “democide”, or some other term than genocide or ethnic cleansing to more accurately describe the Israelis’ mass death drive?
University of Hawaii “Democide” web page:
https://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/
“Kill then all, utterly and completely.”
Actually, in our current ZOG occupation, the website owner could censor my speech in violation of both my rights and the Marsh vs Alabama 1946 supreme court’s ruling.
It’s your free speech right to say that on social media
This is why a plan is urgently needed to defeat ZOG, and in the absence of anyone else developing and executing it, we need to.
It’s your free speech right to say that on social media, Luigi. Those Israelis are going DOWN! Their style is no match for your social media free speech!
I look forward to reading your planifesto.
It's your free speech right to say that on social media. The pain, Will Robinson! The pain!Replies: @Rob Misek
No, you’re demonstrating that you have no experience being part of a team, much less leading one, that accomplished anything of significance.
It’s your free speech right to say that on social media
Actually, in our current ZOG occupation, the website owner could censor my speech in violation of both my rights and the Marsh vs Alabama 1946 supreme court’s ruling.
With the flick of a switch, this all disappears. So much for free speech today.
This is why a plan is urgently needed to defeat ZOG, and in the absence of anyone else developing and executing it, we need to.
But, you do you, your cowardice follows you. Your anonymity is your delusion alone.
It's your free speech right to say that on social media, Luigi. Those Israelis are going DOWN! Their style is no match for your social media free speech!
This is why a plan is urgently needed to defeat ZOG, and in the absence of anyone else developing and executing it, we need to.
No, you’re demonstrating that you have no experience being part of a team, much less leading one, that accomplished anything of significance.Replies: @notanonymousHere
and remember I’m just blue-skying
No, you’re demonstrating that you have no experience being part of a team, much less leading one, that accomplished anything of significance.
It’s your free speech right to say that on social media. The pain, Will Robinson! The pain!
Actually, in our current ZOG occupation, the website owner could censor my speech in violation of both my rights and the Marsh vs Alabama 1946 supreme court’s ruling.
It’s your free speech right to say that on social media
Good for you! With this kind of brainpower this time and working together through social media and free speech those Israeli bastards are going down!
ZOG is a global scourge. Many nations are used, the rich willingly complicit.
Freemasonry, the secret satanic pyramid scheme society, is its engine.
Talking about it won’t defeat them. It hasn’t for centuries. Insanity is defined as doing the same thing expecting different results.
We can, and must, develop a plan to defeat ZOG here and now, transparently and legally, to be shared and implemented through social media with free speech. Easily.
ZOG laughs at those too cowardly to do what is required to defeat it.
and remember I’m just blue-skying
No, you’re demonstrating that you have no experience being part of a team, much less leading one, that accomplished anything of significance.
It's your free speech right to say that on social media. The pain, Will Robinson! The pain!Replies: @Rob Misek
No, you’re demonstrating that you have no experience being part of a team, much less leading one, that accomplished anything of significance.
ZOG is a global scourge. Many nations are used, the rich willingly complicit.
Freemasonry, the secret satanic pyramid scheme society, is its engine.
Talking about it won’t defeat them. It hasn’t for centuries. Insanity is defined as doing the same thing expecting different results.
We can, and must, develop a plan to defeat ZOG here and now, transparently and legally, to be shared and implemented through social media with free speech. Easily.
ZOG laughs at those too cowardly to do what is required to defeat it.
Good for you! With this kind of brainpower this time and working together through social media and free speech those Israeli bastards are going down!
After that, and remember I’m just blue-skying here but I’m thinking bring social media and free speech to bear on World Hunger for the next project. Should be a piece of cake.
No, you’re demonstrating that you have no experience being part of a team, much less leading one, that accomplished anything of significance.Replies: @notanonymousHere
and remember I’m just blue-skying
ZOG is a global scourge. Many nations are used, the rich willingly complicit.
Freemasonry, the secret satanic pyramid scheme society, is its engine.
Talking about it won’t defeat them. It hasn’t for centuries. Insanity is defined as doing the same thing expecting different results.
We can, and must, develop a plan to defeat ZOG here and now, transparently and legally, to be shared and implemented through social media with free speech. Easily.
ZOG laughs at those too cowardly to do what is required to defeat it.
Good for you! With this kind of brainpower this time and working together through social media and free speech those Israeli bastards are going down!
ZOG is a global scourge. Many nations are used, the rich willingly complicit.
Freemasonry, the secret satanic pyramid scheme society, is its engine.
Talking about it won’t defeat them. It hasn’t for centuries. Insanity is defined as doing the same thing expecting different results.
We can, and must, develop a plan to defeat ZOG here and now, transparently and legally, to be shared and implemented through social media with free speech. Easily.
ZOG laughs at those too cowardly to do what is required to defeat it.
‘In 1986, then-U.S. Sen. Joe Biden said, “[Supporting Israel] is the best $3 billion investment we make. Were there not an Israel, the United States of America would have to invent an Israel to protect her interests in the region.” ‘?
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/joe-biden-1986-israel/
Yes technically he’s correct on that sentence. I just say “I could care less” habitually. But he’s still acting as a troll. And thankfully I’ve directed him to information that will educate him. He seems like a smart fellow.
It’s a comments section of a website. Best to focus on the arguments and information.
Apparently Free Speech has its limits.
You mean, people break the law when they get away with it.
One task in the plan to defeat ZOG is to ensure with law that social media czars don’t violate our constitutional rights.
The US Supreme Court has already ruled on this principle in Marsh vs Alabama 1946.
The scenario was a privately owned company town that wanted to censor free speech in its town square.
“ The more an owner, for his advantage, opens up his property for use by the public in general, the more do his rights become circumscribed by the statutory and constitutional rights of those who use it.”
"Zionist coup" is a clever phrased used by that Golovin guy. It's hyperbole but I think it makes the point. And yes, I think the plot had to involve LBJ. He greenlighted it and had to ensure the coverup went smoothly. Israel used people in its spheres of influence to carry out the assassination, including the CIA (primarily the Mossad mole Angleton), Lansky Syndicate, French Corisan mob/French OAS etc. Seems to have been planned in part through elements in Permindex (subsidiary of a money laundering bank created by Tibor Rosenbaum, one of Mossad's most important figures). And if I'm wrong, who cares? To date, there's no theory that's coherent other than this one. I'm not on here calling people idiots and other names unprovoked.Replies: @notanonymousHere
The point being, your vote counts less because you are so late to the party. There’s far too much of that hereabouts.The assassination was boring? Suck it up, Chalmers.Is it still a Zionist coup if LBJ was in on it?Is it still a Zionist coup if Mafiosi were involved?Is it still a Zionist coup if CIA were involved?See the whole board. It sounds like you don’t understand confluence of interests.
I’m not on here calling people idiots and other names unprovoked.
That was the old dispensation. In the New Order Young Master Chalmers is as vitriolic as it gets, and as always see that bell? The binkie is just a ding-ding away. Take it easy Speed Racer.
For someone who doesn’t care you seem to have taken a quick tour of the literature. Good for you! With this kind of teamwork those Israeli bastards are going down!
Whatever. I’ve long since quit trying to keep track of the commenters’ various factions. But eah is right about “could care less” vs. “couldn’t care less.” Think about it.
No, I think this idea that Lyndon Johnson had Jewish ancestry has been pretty thoroughly debunked, and is something of a red herring anyway. The important point is LBJ was in a close personal relationship - no doubt an affair - with former Irgun agent and self-proclaimed Jewess Mathilde Krim, who had soothingly curled herself around Johnson's bruised axis of ego when she found the big Texan sitting by himself and sulking at JFK's birthday party because everyone was paying attention to Jack!
LBJ had a Jewish terrorist as a relative-seems he was some kind of crypto Jew-his family lineage definitely was Jewish from what I’ve read-explains his complete support of Israel and their “helping” him become President– Jack Ruby Rubinstein et al
LBJ’s devotion to Israel was firmly in place long before he succumbed to the Krim bawd. As a young man, he was intimately involved in smuggling arms to the Jewish terrorists carving out the state of Israel.
I've actually read Popov's Mole, but I very much doubt that you have. It has almost nothing to do with the JFK Assassination and unless I'm somehow missing something it certainly didn't represent any recantation of Newman's very important earlier analysis.
Newman recanted what he had written about James Jesus Angleton being behind JFK’s assassination in his 2022 book titled Uncovering Popov’s Mole. But more to the point, why should the authors of this article delve into the morass of conspiracy theories and circumstantial evidence surrounding the jfk assassination?
I don’t think that it’s “all of the JFK files”, but rather, the files from the Church Committee. It does not include all of the CIA files because they held back, Recall that the liaison for the CIA was the very person they denied had been CIA.
The point being, your vote counts less because you are so late to the party. There's far too much of that hereabouts.The assassination was boring? Suck it up, Chalmers.Is it still a Zionist coup if LBJ was in on it?Is it still a Zionist coup if Mafiosi were involved?Is it still a Zionist coup if CIA were involved?See the whole board. It sounds like you don't understand confluence of interests.Replies: @ProteinShake
The point being, I could have cared less about the assassination.
The point being, your vote counts less because you are so late to the party. There’s far too much of that hereabouts.
The assassination was boring? Suck it up, Chalmers.
Is it still a Zionist coup if LBJ was in on it?
Is it still a Zionist coup if Mafiosi were involved?
Is it still a Zionist coup if CIA were involved?
See the whole board. It sounds like you don’t understand confluence of interests.
“Zionist coup” is a clever phrased used by that Golovin guy. It’s hyperbole but I think it makes the point.
And yes, I think the plot had to involve LBJ. He greenlighted it and had to ensure the coverup went smoothly. Israel used people in its spheres of influence to carry out the assassination, including the CIA (primarily the Mossad mole Angleton), Lansky Syndicate, French Corisan mob/French OAS etc.
Seems to have been planned in part through elements in Permindex (subsidiary of a money laundering bank created by Tibor Rosenbaum, one of Mossad’s most important figures).
And if I’m wrong, who cares? To date, there’s no theory that’s coherent other than this one.
I’m not on here calling people idiots and other names unprovoked.
That was the old dispensation. In the New Order Young Master Chalmers is as vitriolic as it gets, and as always see that bell? The binkie is just a ding-ding away. Take it easy Speed Racer.
I’m not on here calling people idiots and other names unprovoked.
Read Roger Mattson’s full book and Grant F. Smith.
Seymour Hersh was wrong.
For the record this EAH fellow appears to be a big time troll. Reminds me of that Josh Johnson commenter. They just swarm like hornets around a commenter who makes a point on Israel’s involvement in JFK assassination/nuclear theft, 911 etc.
Nitpicking grammar and minutia etc.
Trolls are best ignored, but when they flood up Comments section with idiotic statements and obfuscation on topics as significant as the Israeli nuclear issue, Angleton, and the JFK Assassination, its best to point them out.
You’ve tried to diminish the strong evidence of Israel’s theft of America’s nuclear material on multiple and you previously attempted to diminish a significant JFK Assassination document on Israel’s nuclear weapons and their Jericho missiles development that I pointed out. DOCUMENT 104-10302-10028 in the 2025 JFK Release: https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/2025/0318/104-10302-10028.pdf
There are 3 specific mentions of Israel that were redacted before March 2025, one of which I pasted here: https://www.unz.com/runz/how-israel-killed-the-kennedys/?showcomments#comment-7250004
What information have you pulled from the JFK documents that’s worth discussing?
Read Final Judgment and come back like a gentleman: https://www.unz.com/book/michael_collins_piper__final-judgment/
With regard to Seymour Hersh’s exoneration of Shapiro, Grant F. Smith and Roger Mattson showed that Hersh was entirely wrong on that. Michael Collins Piper also acknowledged Hersh was wrong on that.
But it is telling – you mention that Israel orchestrated the JFK and RFK assassinations and stole HEU from the United States (which they did) and the hornets swarm.
Guyenot and Unz have pinned the tail on the donkey with the assassination, in my opinion. Piper provides the the foundation, so I hope you read it as soon as possible.
The point being, I could have cared less about the assassination. Oswald-lone-shooter is basically the main point of the O'Reilly book. Even if "the CIA", organized crime, or some other domestic element orchestrated the assassination, its just a self-inflicted wound (America on America crime). The assassination would still be boring if that were the case. The CIA underwent reforms in the 1970s, Angleton was fired, organized crime basically deteriorated. The MIC is something we could reform internally. The only real eye-opener of a theory, and the one with the most significant implications, is the Israeli theory outlined in Final Judgment. It basically suggests that the JFK Assassination was a Zionist coup, which it was, precipitated by the Israeli nuclear weapons issue.Replies: @notanonymousHere, @eah, @Brad Anbro
Another poster’s “If I decided to look into JFK assassination a few years ago, I would have just read Bill O’Reilly’s book and called it a day” is equally troublingly amusing. That’s the one book not to bother reading.
Quote:
“The point being, I could have cared less about the assassination.”
If you “could” have cared less, why didn’t you?
Just wondering…
The point being, I could have cared less about the assassination. Oswald-lone-shooter is basically the main point of the O'Reilly book. Even if "the CIA", organized crime, or some other domestic element orchestrated the assassination, its just a self-inflicted wound (America on America crime). The assassination would still be boring if that were the case. The CIA underwent reforms in the 1970s, Angleton was fired, organized crime basically deteriorated. The MIC is something we could reform internally. The only real eye-opener of a theory, and the one with the most significant implications, is the Israeli theory outlined in Final Judgment. It basically suggests that the JFK Assassination was a Zionist coup, which it was, precipitated by the Israeli nuclear weapons issue.Replies: @notanonymousHere, @eah, @Brad Anbro
Another poster’s “If I decided to look into JFK assassination a few years ago, I would have just read Bill O’Reilly’s book and called it a day” is equally troublingly amusing. That’s the one book not to bother reading.
>The point being, I could have cared less about the assassination.
The correct expression is could not have cared less.
Think about it.
For anyone interested, the key paragraphs from the article about HEU ‘leased’ to NUMEC and found after audits to be unaccounted for, are below the more tag.
See? Again there's that problem with your thinker. Who do you think builds our weapons, the Tooth Fairy?Replies: @eah
why would a private company be allowed to produce weapons grade U235?
Building a ‘weapon’, e.g. a missile, to deliver a nuclear warhead is not the same as designing the nuclear warhead, or producing the explosive nuclear material for the warhead — the design of US nuclear warheads is done by government labs, e.g. Los Alamos and Livermore (in the past, both were administered for the government by the University of California, I’m not sure if that is still the case today) — the explosive nuclear material for the warheads also comes from government facilities.
It appears Zalman Shapiro, the founder of NUMEC, was involved in constructing reactor cores, including fuel assemblies, for US nuclear submarines when he worked at Bettis Atomic Power Laboratory, a government facility — this may explain the need for NUMEC to have access to HEU, i.e. if NUMEC produced fuel cores for naval reactors — but I am still not sure if NUMEC had the capability, or the legal authority, to enrich uranium itself — I’ve only seen that HEU was ‘leased’ to NUMEC by the AEC, a government agency — the HEU ‘leased’ to NUMEC by the AEC probably came from Oak Ridge, another government lab where uranium was enriched by gaseous diffusion.
Private companies do design nuclear reactors, but a normal reactor, e.g. a commercial reactor for producing electricity, does not use HEU as fuel — the NRC closely regulates the fuel cycle for commercial nuclear reactors, since spent fuel contains dangerous radionuclides, and is a potential source of plutonium, a fissile material.
Actually, regarding the JFK assassination, for the benefit of idiots people like you, I’ll state my position on that as clearly as I can:
I don’t know if Israel was involved in the assassination of JFK or not — maybe they were, maybe they weren’t — personally, I do not regard any of the (alleged) evidence for that, e.g. as presented here by Unz in his writing, as convincing — I also have not read any more substantial works on the subject, e.g. Final Judgment by Piper (but I assume Unz has presented the most salient parts of that book).
This should have been obvious from what I said before — apparently it wasn’t.
A general comment about JFK: it’s a lot easier to discredit the Warren Report and its conclusion, than to identify exactly who was behind it, if not Oswald — all speculation about that relies heavily on circumstantial evidence, and again for me personally, a lot of that speculation goes too far, to the point some of the conclusions are just not supported well enough by the (largely circumstantial) evidence.
And I have no idea what you mean here by ‘also’ — I don’t know if HEU was transferred to Israel via NUMEC or not — maybe it was, maybe it wasn’t — I said this was ‘somewhat controversial’ because you can find credible people who advance one or the other position (e.g. Seymour Hersh doesn’t believe HEU from NUMEC went to Israel, neither did Glenn Seaborg, chairman of the AEC) — I have not reviewed all of the evidence, so I make no conclusion — if you follow the link I gave to the ‘definitive’ article, you’ll see it references dozens of reports and documents, but the author says ‘important unknowns remain’ — when/if I have time, I will review some of those reports and documents, as well as read other summary articles, to see what conclusions the bulk of the evidence supports.
The point being, I could have cared less about the assassination. Oswald-lone-shooter is basically the main point of the O'Reilly book. Even if "the CIA", organized crime, or some other domestic element orchestrated the assassination, its just a self-inflicted wound (America on America crime). The assassination would still be boring if that were the case. The CIA underwent reforms in the 1970s, Angleton was fired, organized crime basically deteriorated. The MIC is something we could reform internally. The only real eye-opener of a theory, and the one with the most significant implications, is the Israeli theory outlined in Final Judgment. It basically suggests that the JFK Assassination was a Zionist coup, which it was, precipitated by the Israeli nuclear weapons issue.Replies: @notanonymousHere, @eah, @Brad Anbro
Another poster’s “If I decided to look into JFK assassination a few years ago, I would have just read Bill O’Reilly’s book and called it a day” is equally troublingly amusing. That’s the one book not to bother reading.
The point being, I could have cared less about the assassination.
The point being, your vote counts less because you are so late to the party. There’s far too much of that hereabouts.
The assassination was boring? Suck it up, Chalmers.
Is it still a Zionist coup if LBJ was in on it?
Is it still a Zionist coup if Mafiosi were involved?
Is it still a Zionist coup if CIA were involved?
See the whole board. It sounds like you don’t understand confluence of interests.
"Zionist coup" is a clever phrased used by that Golovin guy. It's hyperbole but I think it makes the point. And yes, I think the plot had to involve LBJ. He greenlighted it and had to ensure the coverup went smoothly. Israel used people in its spheres of influence to carry out the assassination, including the CIA (primarily the Mossad mole Angleton), Lansky Syndicate, French Corisan mob/French OAS etc. Seems to have been planned in part through elements in Permindex (subsidiary of a money laundering bank created by Tibor Rosenbaum, one of Mossad's most important figures). And if I'm wrong, who cares? To date, there's no theory that's coherent other than this one. I'm not on here calling people idiots and other names unprovoked.Replies: @notanonymousHere
The point being, your vote counts less because you are so late to the party. There’s far too much of that hereabouts.The assassination was boring? Suck it up, Chalmers.Is it still a Zionist coup if LBJ was in on it?Is it still a Zionist coup if Mafiosi were involved?Is it still a Zionist coup if CIA were involved?See the whole board. It sounds like you don’t understand confluence of interests.
You have a problem with your thinker. Tell me, misfit Padewan, where does plutonium come from?
So Israel really didn’t have to steal uranium.
Another poster’s “If I decided to look into JFK assassination a few years ago, I would have just read Bill O’Reilly’s book and called it a day” is equally troublingly amusing. That’s the one book not to bother reading.
The point being, I could have cared less about the assassination. Oswald-lone-shooter is basically the main point of the O’Reilly book. Even if “the CIA”, organized crime, or some other domestic element orchestrated the assassination, its just a self-inflicted wound (America on America crime). The assassination would still be boring if that were the case. The CIA underwent reforms in the 1970s, Angleton was fired, organized crime basically deteriorated. The MIC is something we could reform internally.
The only real eye-opener of a theory, and the one with the most significant implications, is the Israeli theory outlined in Final Judgment. It basically suggests that the JFK Assassination was a Zionist coup, which it was, precipitated by the Israeli nuclear weapons issue.
The point being, your vote counts less because you are so late to the party. There's far too much of that hereabouts.The assassination was boring? Suck it up, Chalmers.Is it still a Zionist coup if LBJ was in on it?Is it still a Zionist coup if Mafiosi were involved?Is it still a Zionist coup if CIA were involved?See the whole board. It sounds like you don't understand confluence of interests.Replies: @ProteinShake
The point being, I could have cared less about the assassination.
Mr. Unz! For the love of God Montresor! A little leeway here?
why would a private company be allowed to produce weapons grade U235?
See? Again there’s that problem with your thinker. Who do you think builds our weapons, the Tooth Fairy?
I believe you also don’t think Israel was involved the assassination of JFK at all, if I remember correctly.
You have a problem with your thinker. Tell me, misfit Padewan, where does plutonium come from?
So Israel really didn’t have to steal uranium.
>where does plutonium come from?
Normally from processing spent nuclear reactor fuel — but you don’t need highly enriched uranium (HEU) to fuel a reactor — also, a breeder reactor can generate plutonium from U238 using only lightly enriched uranium as reactor fuel — spent fuel processing to recover plutonium is a fairly sophisticated process.
Stealing U235 to make a bomb is conceivable if the need for the bomb was deemed acute, i.e. it would have taken significantly longer for Israel to either enrich uranium to weapons grade themselves, to generate plutonium via the fuel cycle of a conventional reactor, or construct a breeder reactor to generate plutonium from U238 (both of the latter options require fairly sophisticated processing).
It’s difficult to find exact info on NUMEC (Nuclear Materials and Equipment Corporation) — what was its business? — HEU for a bomb, known as weapons grade (typically 85% U235), is a strictly controlled material — why would a private company be allowed to produce weapons grade U235?
I’ve seen reports the US government stopped producing HEU in 1964 — but HEU, typically weapons grade and above, is used by the US Navy in its nuclear propulsion reactors — who produces the fuel for the navy’s reactors?
The NUMEC Affair: Did Highly Enriched Uranium from the U.S. Aid Israel’s Nuclear Weapons Program?
The above article is generally considered a definitive account — it says NUMEC was ‘founded to invent new and improved methods of processing nuclear fuel’, it ‘began manufacturing fuel for nuclear reactors in 1959’, and it ‘processed many tons of uranium in its lifetime, reaching a peak annual throughput of more than 700 metric tons in 1973’ — only lightly enriched uranium is needed as fuel for a normal reactor — what kind of ‘processing’ of Uranium did it do?.
The article also says the AEC ‘leased’ HEU to NUMEC — why? — what did NUMEC do with it? — what was the grade of the ‘leased’ HEU, how enriched was it? — does the ‘leasing’ mean NUMEC did not produce, or was not allowed to produce, HEU?
The claim HEU from NUMEC went to Israel is still controversial.
See? Again there's that problem with your thinker. Who do you think builds our weapons, the Tooth Fairy?Replies: @eah
why would a private company be allowed to produce weapons grade U235?
You can carefully read the entire article to see and decide for yourself how 'hard' you find the more recent evidence for 'diversion' to be.
In early 1965, the AEC's Oak Ridge Operations Office in Tennessee conducted a routine inventory of government-owned HEU that the AEC had leased to NUMEC. As the AEC’s Oak Ridge people suspected, based on past concerns, the inventory disclosed a significant shortage. In early 1966, after extensive investigations, with a concerted effort by NUMEC and AEC to account for all conceivable operating losses, the AEC confirmed that 178 kilograms of U-235 in the form of HEU, the main ingredient for uranium-fueled atom bombs, were missing from the Apollo plant. Within three years, the amount had grown to 269 kilograms.
The AEC, and subsequently its successor agency, the Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC), as well as the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), the Justice Department, the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), the Congressional Joint Committee on Atomic Energy (JCAE), the General Accounting Office (GAO), the National Security Council (NSC), the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA), two committees of the U.S. House of Representatives, spanning four presidential administrations, investigated what became of the missing uranium. Despite their efforts, they never fully accounted for it. Those investigations extended over the period from 1965 to the early 1980s. The investigators all acknowledged that the material might have made its way to Israel, and some in high position firmly believed it had gone there, but, until recently, hard evidence of a diversion was veiled in secrecy and hard to find.
Agreed. FYI —my replies to you and others are very rare because Unz has limited my ability to post to 3 post per day. And I cannot click the Agree/Disagree/ETC button –it does not work under my restricted account. I appreciate your comments and support. I am sad that I will not be able to go to war with certain individuals up here on Unz this coming 9/11 Anniversary —Apparently Free Speech has its limits.
You mean, people break the law when they get away with it.
Apparently Free Speech has its limits.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/326/501
“ The more an owner, for his advantage, opens up his property for use by the public in general, the more do his rights become circumscribed by the statutory and constitutional rights of those who use it.”
It takes 35 to 55 lbs of highly enriched U235 (containing at least 80% U235) to make a gun-type A bomb depending on the explosive power needed. If Israel stole 200+ kilograms from the Apollo, PA factory and assuming that the U-235 was very highly enriched and not requiring further enrichment by banks of centrifuges then Israel could have made at the most about 12 bombs.
The scene of the crime was the Nuclear Materials and Equipment Corporation, or NUMEC, a uranium processing facility in Apollo, Pennsylvania owned by a Zionist financier named David Lowenthal. In 1965, Zalman Shapiro, a fellow Zionist hired by Lowenthal to run the plant, illegally diverted hundreds of kilograms of nuclear fissile material to Israel.
So Israel really didn’t have to steal uranium.
You have a problem with your thinker. Tell me, misfit Padewan, where does plutonium come from?
Another poster’s “If I decided to look into JFK assassination a few years ago, I would have just read Bill O’Reilly’s book and called it a day” is equally troublingly amusing. That’s the one book not to bother reading.
The point being, I could have cared less about the assassination. Oswald-lone-shooter is basically the main point of the O'Reilly book. Even if "the CIA", organized crime, or some other domestic element orchestrated the assassination, its just a self-inflicted wound (America on America crime). The assassination would still be boring if that were the case. The CIA underwent reforms in the 1970s, Angleton was fired, organized crime basically deteriorated. The MIC is something we could reform internally. The only real eye-opener of a theory, and the one with the most significant implications, is the Israeli theory outlined in Final Judgment. It basically suggests that the JFK Assassination was a Zionist coup, which it was, precipitated by the Israeli nuclear weapons issue.Replies: @notanonymousHere, @eah, @Brad Anbro
Another poster’s “If I decided to look into JFK assassination a few years ago, I would have just read Bill O’Reilly’s book and called it a day” is equally troublingly amusing. That’s the one book not to bother reading.
It takes 35 to 55 lbs of highly enriched U235 (containing at least 80% U235) to make a gun-type A bomb depending on the explosive power needed. If Israel stole 200+ kilograms from the Apollo, PA factory and assuming that the U-235 was very highly enriched and not requiring further enrichment by banks of centrifuges then Israel could have made at the most about 12 bombs.
The scene of the crime was the Nuclear Materials and Equipment Corporation, or NUMEC, a uranium processing facility in Apollo, Pennsylvania owned by a Zionist financier named David Lowenthal. In 1965, Zalman Shapiro, a fellow Zionist hired by Lowenthal to run the plant, illegally diverted hundreds of kilograms of nuclear fissile material to Israel.
So Israel really didn’t have to steal uranium.
If some stupid goy left it on the back of a truck, why not take it???
You’re forgetting the subject matter here and THEIR mentality. Don’t use your own motivational template when examining the motive of the joooooos.
1) more for them and less for the goyim is “good for the joooos”
2) you don’t truly ‘dominate’ (parasite) a host culture until you can steal from will from it
3) there may have been some personal profit involved here
4) what’s better than one kind of nuclear option? Two kinds!
I mean honestly, Israel is probably taking a lot more than we ever hear about. Not just nuclear stuff either.
Hilarious, talk about in plain sight chutzpah.Replies: @TGD
The scene of the crime was the Nuclear Materials and Equipment Corporation, or NUMEC, a uranium processing facility in Apollo, Pennsylvania owned by a Zionist financier named David Lowenthal. In 1965, Zalman Shapiro, a fellow Zionist hired by Lowenthal to run the plant, illegally diverted hundreds of kilograms of nuclear fissile material to Israel.
The scene of the crime was the Nuclear Materials and Equipment Corporation, or NUMEC, a uranium processing facility in Apollo, Pennsylvania owned by a Zionist financier named David Lowenthal. In 1965, Zalman Shapiro, a fellow Zionist hired by Lowenthal to run the plant, illegally diverted hundreds of kilograms of nuclear fissile material to Israel.
It takes 35 to 55 lbs of highly enriched U235 (containing at least 80% U235) to make a gun-type A bomb depending on the explosive power needed. If Israel stole 200+ kilograms from the Apollo, PA factory and assuming that the U-235 was very highly enriched and not requiring further enrichment by banks of centrifuges then Israel could have made at the most about 12 bombs.
Israel reportedly has at least 200 A bombs of all types. Most of Israel’s bombs are of the plutonium type. This plutonium comes from their Dimona reactor. It was (((John Von Neumann))) who developed the crucial mathematical framework and the explosive lens design for the implosion type mechanism used to detonate plutonium bombs.
So Israel really didn’t have to steal uranium.
If some stupid goy left it on the back of a truck, why not take it???
So Israel really didn’t have to steal uranium.
You have a problem with your thinker. Tell me, misfit Padewan, where does plutonium come from?
So Israel really didn’t have to steal uranium.
It’s also best to review the Photo Section of Final Judgment when looking to refresh your memory on some of the specifics: https://www.unz.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/Final_Judgment_Photo-Section.pdf
And I like the Walter Cronkite story Piper tells; yes it appears Walter Cronkite, the most famous TV newsman in American history, endorsed the general theory in Final Judgment:
“Earlier, on Aug. 31, 1996, Ray Kalainikas, a reader of Final Judgment, encountered famed CBS broadcaster Walter Cronkite at the farmer’s market in West Tisbury on Martha’s Vineyard. Kalainikas outlined the thesis of Final Judgment to Cronkite, who listened intently. Then, looking out to sea, Cronkite remarked succinctly: I can’t think of any group with the exception of Israeli intelligence that would have been able to keep the JFK assassination conspiracy under wraps for so long.”
That particular JFK researcher seemed absolutely sincere.
Obviously if that person is genuine, its a good thing. But I might be wary of someone like that coming out of nowhere.
I certainly would have thought so, but it's easy to assume that information is much more widespread than it actually is. It's possible that very few JFK researchers were even willing to admit they were aware of the Piper book, so maybe they rarely mentioned it. And if people didn't mention it, how would others find out about it? Maybe most of the JFK people vaguely assumed it was just some crank nonsense they could just ignore.Replies: @ProteinShake
I would think that since Final Judgment was published, probably 90% of JFK researchers have heard of it, and among those who wrote more than 1 book, it was probably 100% had heard of FJ.
Although, it was probably your own work that made the person you are talking about become interested in these ideas. And people change their minds, so it could be a very good thing of course.
Could be true…I certainly would never have thought the Piper hypothesis was possible even 3-4 years ago. If I decided to look into JFK assassination a few years ago, I would have just read Bill O’Reilly’s book and called it a day.
Plus, I think Piper’s book has spread like wildfire in the last few years, in part due to your highlighting it and also making it available for free on your site. I’m not sure I know of anyone with reach comparable to yours who has highlighted it or endorsed FJ, until very recently…e.g. in March 2025, Roger Stone says he read it, but I’m skeptical of him in general.
Up until maybe 1-2 years ago, I think Final Judgment was only available for $200+ on Amazon (other than this site). So I guess its very possible even mainstream JFK researchers would have been unaware of it. Final Judgment is now in paperback on Amazon for a reasonable price, which I think is very recent (not certain).
I had never heard of Piper or The Spotlight until I came across your articles on JFK. I was reading the Weekly Standard up until it went defunct in 2018; people’s opinions can change quite dramatically as they discover new information, as mine did.
Obviously if that person is genuine, its a good thing. But I might be wary of someone like that coming out of nowhere.
That particular JFK researcher seemed absolutely sincere.
I would think that since Final Judgment was published, probably 90% of JFK researchers have heard of it, and among those who wrote more than 1 book, it was probably 100% had heard of FJ.
Although, it was probably your own work that made the person you are talking about become interested in these ideas. And people change their minds, so it could be a very good thing of course.
I certainly would have thought so, but it’s easy to assume that information is much more widespread than it actually is. It’s possible that very few JFK researchers were even willing to admit they were aware of the Piper book, so maybe they rarely mentioned it. And if people didn’t mention it, how would others find out about it? Maybe most of the JFK people vaguely assumed it was just some crank nonsense they could just ignore.
Here is a decent video from Ken McCarthy…had never heard of this guy before a few days ago when someone reposted his book on JFK/RFK’s war against Zionism, but Ken McCarthy names James Angleton as the central person most responsible for the assassination of JFK. Not a big shocker, but interesting coming from McCarthy.
Mr. Unz might be interested in Mark Elsis’s work:
Actually, I should probably mention an anecdote that should have led me to slightly modify my accusation of deliberate dishonesty.
So I assume that Bleau fellow, whom I’d never heard of, is merely continuing that pattern of total obfuscation.
Probably dozens of JFK Assassination authors, and probably a couple of hundred researchers, post and congregate at the JFK Education Forum, linked below. John Newman doesn’t post much there but friends and collaborators of his (Alan Dale) do, DiEugenio posts there, Larry Hancock posts there, Bill Kelly who runs a JFK blog posts there, there’s maybe a couple of dozen other names I could note that either have books or blogs to their name. Quite a few of them write for the same site Bleu does.
The forum thread there on Piper’s FINAL JUDGMENT was started in 2006, and it ran for ten years, covering 32 pages of posts. Piper himself posted on it while he was alive. The opening pages were heavily dismissive, calling Piper an anti-semite. On the final page, someone is having a look at Angleton again. A few of the posters there are still regulars and I have seen them increasingly discuss Israel in their postings over the last year or two.
I would describe Piper and his book as being quite well known among those authors, but I suspect only through its negative reputation, and it was only when some brave souls decided to do the unthinkable and read it, and research some of its findings, that the light bulb started to go on.
https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/6056-michael-collins-piper-final-judgement/
Actually, I should probably mention an anecdote that should have led me to slightly modify my accusation of deliberate dishonesty.
So I assume that Bleau fellow, whom I’d never heard of, is merely continuing that pattern of total obfuscation.
Very interesting. Obviously if that person is genuine, its a good thing. But I might be wary of someone like that coming out of nowhere. Piper talked about how he got lured by people pretending to be his friend and who would want to talk to him about “Final Judgement”. He said most of the time he suspected it was a setup and sometimes he verified it was. People trying to get him to “mellow out” on the assassination. I think one time he said a person came to him asking about maybe buying the rights to his book or suggesting a movie etc and it turned out to be something nefarious.
I would think that since Final Judgment was published, probably 90% of JFK researchers have heard of it, and among those who wrote more than 1 book, it was probably 100% had heard of FJ.
Although, it was probably your own work that made the person you are talking about become interested in these ideas. And people change their minds, so it could be a very good thing of course.
That particular JFK researcher seemed absolutely sincere.
Obviously if that person is genuine, its a good thing. But I might be wary of someone like that coming out of nowhere.
I certainly would have thought so, but it's easy to assume that information is much more widespread than it actually is. It's possible that very few JFK researchers were even willing to admit they were aware of the Piper book, so maybe they rarely mentioned it. And if people didn't mention it, how would others find out about it? Maybe most of the JFK people vaguely assumed it was just some crank nonsense they could just ignore.Replies: @ProteinShake
I would think that since Final Judgment was published, probably 90% of JFK researchers have heard of it, and among those who wrote more than 1 book, it was probably 100% had heard of FJ.
Although, it was probably your own work that made the person you are talking about become interested in these ideas. And people change their minds, so it could be a very good thing of course.
To stick with the facts, Sidney Gottlieb spent some of his undergraduate years in the Young People’s Socialist League which was the official youth branch of the Socialist Party of America. Gottlieb was never a part of the Communist Party. Those are the facts.
Okay, I guess I have to take a look at that blog post.
Paul Bleau, another JFK assassination researcher, disagrees...
https://www.kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-articles/1414
https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-the-jfk-assassination-part-ii-who-did-it/
Final Judgment went through a number of a reprintings following its original 1994 appearance, and by the sixth edition released in 2004, had grown to over 650 pages, including numerous long appendices and over 1100 footnotes, the overwhelming majority of these referencing fully mainstream sources. The body of the text was merely serviceable in organization and polish, reflecting the total boycott by all publishers, mainstream or alternative, but I found the contents themselves remarkable and generally quite compelling. Despite the most extreme blackout by all media outlets, the book sold more than 40,000 copies over the years, making it something of an underground bestseller, and surely bringing it to the attention of everyone in the JFK assassination research community, though apparently almost none of them were willing to mention its existence. I suspect these other writers realized that even any mere acknowledgement of the existence of the book, if only to ridicule or dismiss it, might prove fatal to their media and publishing career. Piper himself died in 2015, aged 54, suffering from the health problems and heavy-drinking often associated with grim poverty, and other journalists may have been reluctant to risk that same dismal fate.
As an example of this strange situation, the bibliography of Talbot’s 2007 book contains almost 140 entries, some rather obscure, but has no space for Final Judgment, nor does his very comprehensive index include any entry for “Jews” or “Israel.” Indeed, at one point he very delicately characterizes Sen. Robert Kennedy’s entirely Jewish senior staff by stating “There was not a Catholic among them.” His 2015 sequel is equally circumspect, and although the index does contain numerous entries pertaining to Jews, all these references are in regards to World War II and the Nazis, including his discussion of the alleged Nazi ties of Allen Dulles, his principal bête noire. Stone’s book, while fearlessly convicting President Lyndon Johnson of the JFK assassination, also strangely excludes “Jews” and “Israel” from the long index and Final Judgment from the bibliography, and Douglass’s book follows this same pattern.
So I assume that Bleau fellow, whom I’d never heard of, is merely continuing that pattern of total obfuscation.
Actually, I should probably mention an anecdote that should have led me to slightly modify my accusation of deliberate dishonesty.
When I’d originally published my 2018 article, I’d argued it seemed very unlikely that any prominent “mainstream” JFK Assassination researchers could have long remained ignorant of Piper’s underground best-seller implicating Mossad so the absence of any reference in the texts or comprehensive bibliographies probably reflected their fears of the consequences of acknowledging Piper’s book.
But after I published my “How Israel Killed the Kennedys” article earlier this year, it apparently got into circulation within the mainstream JFK Assassination community, and someone who had spent many years working on those issues including producing some of the most prominent JFK books got in touch with me and came down to Palo Alto to meet me for lunch.
Apparently, the Mossad angle and the Piper book had been totally unknown to that author, so my work was a huge revelation, and my suspicions regarding the lack of any mention were groundless at least in that particular case.
Really? Why?
Those are called ” $64000 Questions”.
Yes, really. Why would I lie to you, Rob? If you think about it, you answered your own question (about currency) in your initial response to my reply to the article. Remember? Go back and have a look. I have an idea what you’re getting at, but things are not always “cut and dried”; much easier said than done. An observation: you’re all over the place in this particular, rather lengthy comment section. I don’t know, but maybe you should rest awhile, take a breather, harness your stream of consciousness.
Thank you for the correction regarding his religion, but in turn i will correct you regarding his race, which was only half Irish (from his mother’s side).
> Clinton’s AIPAC handlers shut down the Venona decoding.
False.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venona_project
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The Venona project was a United States counterintelligence program initiated during World War II by the United States Army’s Signal Intelligence Service and later absorbed by the National Security Agency (NSA), that ran from February 1, 1943, until October 1, 1980.
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Clinton took office in 1993.
Those are called ” $64000 Questions”.
Really? Why?
Is it because you don’t have the required currency?
Her citizenship and her professed religion are both irrelevant. Jewishness is biological.Replies: @Prudentia
Angleton’s mother was a Mexican and Catholic.
“Jewish” as biological is problematic. One needs but consider that there are Chinese Jews, Kush (Black) Jews & Scandinavian Jews. The Khazars, Turkmen converts, were not of Levant origin, but spread & interbred with the ethnicities of Europa. While they claim Jewishness from the maternal line, Biblically it was patriarchal. There used to be some patriarchal list which is said to have been destroyed in like 150 AD. It seems, in a way, they are more ideological cultish. Rather like the Thugees who inbred in their closed societies. Moreover, per the Ringworm children, the Ashkenazi vastly discriminate vs. the Sephardic & the Kush. They are a conundrum. This Prof.’s report is enlightening.
Rabbi, Prof. of Hebrew Says Moses, Abraham Not “Jews” Which Started in the Persian Era Talmud, i.e. the Pharisees Doctrine, not Original Ancient Worship. Breeding w/pagans noted too.
https://odysee.com/@LeelooDallas:d/Rabbi-Admits-Judaism-Is-Not-In-The-Bible-Nor-Was-Moses-A-Jew-The-Sons-Of-Israel-Are-Not-Jewish:7
Exactly. I've now quickly read through the 7,000 word Bleu article and found it just as totally irrelevant as I'd expected. None of it has anything to do with Newman's very strong case that Angleton was the key high-level CIA figure involved in the JFK Assassination plot.
None of Bleau’s writing, nor that article, nor Newman’s books, have argued against Angleton potentially placing Oswald in the role of patsy in 1963. The article even reiterates that Oswald was a likely ‘useful idiot’. Angleton could be blind to moles and traitors in his midst, and be thrashing about trying to locate them, and still use Oswald as a dupe for the events of November of that year.
Israel did not kill the Kennedy’s. Jews did. Israel does not do anything. Jews do all kinds of horrible things. Israel is not controlling Western politicians jews are.
Its time to stop allowing jews to hide behind their Zionist and Israel smokescreens.
Communism is the Jewish Utopia, check it out. Try not denying reality of the CIA being overtaken by such.
What “Americans” will have the courage to do that?
It will be a great day when Americans stop “turning the other cheek”.
Those are called ” $64000 Questions”.
Really? Why?
Those are called ” $64000 Questions”.
Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
"Israel is accused of starving children, pretty much the way that in the Middle Ages Jews were accused of killing Christian children for their blood."
We "have to do something about the algorithms at the social networks," he says.
The first creep that I saw declaring pictures of and reports concerning children slaughtered in Gaza by the Zionazis to be a ‘blood libel’, was the ultra-odious Howard Jacobson, in the fecking ‘Guardian (of Israel)’.
It will be a great day when Americans stop “turning the other cheek”.
What “Americans” will have the courage to do that?
What will it take for that to happen?
I agree. We need and have a right to know what’s being done to us and by whom. It will be a great day when Americans stop “turning the other cheek”.
What “Americans” will have the courage to do that?
It will be a great day when Americans stop “turning the other cheek”.
William Colby was not a WASP, but an Irish Catholic who was more than likely murdered by the Mossad. His“drowning” while canoeing is BS.
“ Colby was for his entire life a staunch Catholic.[4] He was often referred to as “the warrior–priest.” The Catholic Church played a “central role” in his family’s life, with Colby’s two daughters receiving their First Communion at St. Peter’s Basilica.[5]”. Wikipedia
Perhaps more pertinent, Gottlieb was never a Communist in any capacity.
Listen to this cock sucker;
Netanyahu calls for censorship:
“Israel is accused of starving children, pretty much the way that in the Middle Ages Jews were accused of killing Christian children for their blood.”
We “have to do something about the algorithms at the social networks,” he says.
LBJ on 12/2/1963:
Katherine Graham: Hello Mr. President.
LBJ: Hello My Sweetheart how’re you?
Katherine Graham: Well I’m fine are you.
LBJ: You know the only one thing I dislike about this job is that I’m married and I can’t ever get to see you. I just hear that sweet voice that’s always on the telephone. And I’d like to break outta here and be like one of these young animals down on my ranch and jump the fence!
Katherine Graham: Hahahahaha.
ALL JEW$ WORLDWIDE will have to be held responsible for the ongoing marginalization and murder of Palestinians.
There is no other way. Pressure must be put on the “good” jews as well.
Question for the “good” jews…
Where were you when the Nakba and continuing dispossession and outright murder and starvation of the Palestinians over many decades was and is taking place?
…(crickets)…
The only reason (some) jews are finally speaking out, protesting the present genocides going on is out of purely self-interest, not because they have any empathy for the Palestinians (and the rest of us).
They see “the handwriting on the wall” and are being recognized as being demonic beings by just about all decent people worldwide.
Expulsion from country 110 (occupied Palestine) is on the horizon.
You see, jews are amoral to a fault, especially when it comes to us gentiles.
I can count truly “good” jews on one hand…Norman Finkelstein, Ron Unz, John Mearsheimer and Gilad Atzmon (who himself repudiated and abandoned the whole jewish system). I have great respect for jews who speak out, but there aren’t enough “good” jews to make a difference. Change will have to come from without.
It is jewish mental illness that is a major problem in the world today.
Jews are taught from birth that they are “victims” who are hated for “just being jews (yeah, right)” while at the same time are supremacists whose duty is to “improve the world” (tikkun olam) making the world a better place, but only for jews.
I have analyzed judaism at length and have come to the conclusion that such a vile, demonic system has no place in the modern world.
Every jewish “holy day” is a celebration of conquest, genocide, and total destruction of the jews’ enemies. We are seeing that jewish “celebration” (genocide) taking place in Gaza and the West Bank as we speak.
Know israel (and jews) no peace…
No israel (and jews) know peace…
Jews worldwide (yes, this includes the very few “good” jews) are going to have to be held responsible for the genocides and government takeovers (coups) in the world.
Shunning is but one non-violent method that we can all utilize to let them know where we stand. Refusal to do business with them is but another method that can be used.
Both methods are effective.
Roger Stone is another. He said in late 2024 that all Israel-critical members of the MAGA movement should be purged… But I just don’t trust the guy.
“I’m hardcore Zionist, so is president Trump.” – Roger Stone
I can’t understand much of this.
Need a transcript.
The Pierre Neuville revelations are the smoking gun/new testimony that Piper broke in his book. Precisely zero of the “JFK Conspiracy Establishment” writers have ever mentioned Neuville’s name, so far as I can tell.
They also never seem to talk about Gary Wean or John Tower’s story, who really help put lots of puzzle pieces together.
Morley and his crowd never seem willing to get to the bottom of these things. They are content to continue making big money keeping the mystery alive, in my humble opinion.
Or they enjoy the prestige that comes with “slow-walking” or the truth. Jefferson Morley and James DiEugenio and Oliver Stone know that the minute they implicate Israel, their movie contracts, mainstream book deals, and their liason work with Congress will likely be over.
Roger Stone is another. He said in late 2024 that all Israel-critical members of the MAGA movement should be purged. Then a few months later in March 2025 he says “hey, I decided to read Final Judgment!” But he’s been totally mute on the issue since then. Then again, I do understand that these people, including Roger Stone, are under a microscope. But I just don’t trust the guy.
“I’m hardcore Zionist, so is president Trump.” – Roger Stone
Roger Stone is another. He said in late 2024 that all Israel-critical members of the MAGA movement should be purged… But I just don’t trust the guy.
When Richard Nixon called LBJ an “animal”, I think he was correct. Here’s a bit of proof. I guess this type of talk was normal back then. Funny nonetheless:
The same dynamic is at play now. Your greedy and nihilistic Christian libertarianism is what empowered King Bibi to win in November.
America’s womanly fear of Communism empowered her conquest. Same as always.
The cows over at ZeroHedge are being milked with the same technology.
become aware their lives are at risk. Suddenly they wake up.
Those of us here have gathered in this community because we have woken up. We know the wave is coming.
We have a responsibility to act upon the knowledge we possess just like you’re hoping the rest of the world will when they also “wake up”.
We can develop a plan to defeat ZOG here on this town square, transparently and legally, which can be shared and acted upon wherever town squares like this enjoy free speech..
But nobody here wants to act on this knowledge. They’re only interested in talking about it hoping that someone else will act. That’s not how saving yourself and others works.
Say you’ll participate in developing a plan to defeat ZOG here and now.
Remember, all of the militarization in Europe of the past few years has been to uphold and defend 'European democracy.' Here we see German police in Berlin defending European democracy by assaulting and arresting peaceful protesters standing up against Israel's genocide in Gaza.
Germ an chancellor defends Israel's ‘dirty work' comments despite criticism
Merz maintains stance that Israel serves Western interests by striking Iran's nuclear program and military facilities
Apparently the Germans in Berlin are more courageous and enlightened than we here in the USA.
When the worst terrorist organization on Earth, called “Israel,” murders helpless women and children, rapes them, sodomizes and kills unarmed Palestinian men, starves and burns babies alive in front of their parents, and incarcerates thousands of innocent Palestinians without charges – when this organization continues to blackmail other nations (using the “antisemitism” trick) in order to be armed and financed by US-led Western regimes, you know something is wrong in the world and humanity is at a crossroads.
I also posted this information here on 8/3:
Exactly. I've now quickly read through the 7,000 word Bleu article and found it just as totally irrelevant as I'd expected. None of it has anything to do with Newman's very strong case that Angleton was the key high-level CIA figure involved in the JFK Assassination plot.
None of Bleau’s writing, nor that article, nor Newman’s books, have argued against Angleton potentially placing Oswald in the role of patsy in 1963. The article even reiterates that Oswald was a likely ‘useful idiot’. Angleton could be blind to moles and traitors in his midst, and be thrashing about trying to locate them, and still use Oswald as a dupe for the events of November of that year.
Speaking of the JFK Assassination, you should read my comment about a newly un-redacted document that I first identified and posted here on this site, see my comment: https://www.unz.com/runz/marked-for-death-by-a-reckless-america/?showcomments#comment-7250002
Laurent Guyenot reposted a brief post on his Substack “Radbod’s Lament” about these documents: https://substack.com/home/post/p-170064899
There is not a single mention of this new information from Jefferson Morley or his crew.
I reviewed these documents with a retired engineer who worked on naval missile launchers, and he agreed this document from 11/20/1963 references the Israeli Jericho missiles. In other words, 2 days before Kennedy was killed, McCone’s intelligence gathering operation against Israeli’s nuclear activities determined that Israel has ordered missiles from France that could only be for carrying a nuclear warhead. We know in retrospect that that is exactly what those missiles were for.
We never knew that JFK had gotten wind of these nuclear warhead missiles this early…I’m 90% sure that most of our standard sources say that the first official US awareness of these missiles was in the late 1960s, not Nov 1963.
There’s some extremely interesting and new information in these JFK docs if you look hard enough.
It is painful to watch. 🙁
Re “I forget, What happened to Colby? Oh yeah right, he went on that impulsive dinnertime canoe jaunt and had a freak accident, a waterspout whirled it around and sucked him up to spy heaven with Frank Olsen and John O’Neill ( https://richardgage911.substack.com/p/who-killed-john-oneil )”
And don’t forget what happened to Mary Pinchot Meyer, and Angleton’s weird, illegal, obviously spookish actions to break into her apartment hours after her death to get ahold of her diary and disappear it. Angelton was in the apartment when Meyer’s (I think) sister and brother-in-law arrived there. CREEEEEPY!!!
He probably had set spies on JFK and Meyer.
Angleton definitely had a role in JFK’s death and he was acting with the Zionists.
All of them nauseating creeeeeeps.
Yours is not a popular attitude, but it is the only truly viable one, unfortunately. Like you, I have no illusions of mounting the barricades and storming the temples of power or whatever other daydreams occupy the minds of some of our more quixotic commentators.
However, I truly believe it would make no ultimate difference whether the essential and longstanding baseness of our government were finally to be revealed in toto. Remember the Panama Papers? Remember the Pentagon Papers? Remember when Wikileaks revealed that the US was pervasively surveilling its allies, right up to their heads of state? And these are but a few headlines once thought to be earth-shattering.
Nevertheless, I do not believe the dissemination of this kind of information to be totally in vain. At the very least, I find it edifying in a way. A certain satisfaction can be had from understanding the nature of a cancer killing one from within.
Exactly. I've now quickly read through the 7,000 word Bleu article and found it just as totally irrelevant as I'd expected. None of it has anything to do with Newman's very strong case that Angleton was the key high-level CIA figure involved in the JFK Assassination plot.
None of Bleau’s writing, nor that article, nor Newman’s books, have argued against Angleton potentially placing Oswald in the role of patsy in 1963. The article even reiterates that Oswald was a likely ‘useful idiot’. Angleton could be blind to moles and traitors in his midst, and be thrashing about trying to locate them, and still use Oswald as a dupe for the events of November of that year.
It is clear pentagon did 911
Read book by kevin ryan
Another Nineteen: Investigating Legitimate 9/11 Suspects
And
Cory hughes a warning from history
Clinton was reckless to stick his cock in that mouth.
newly elected people to whatever level of government are treated to an all inclusive trip to occupied Palestine where they are wined, dined and videoed with an underage male or female prostitute. From then on they are owned by the zionists.
Baby Trudeau squared his shoulders and went to occupied Palestine ostensibly to sort those buggers out, he came back a cowed little boy and never ever uttered a word against the zionist occupiers.
Losers , every last one of them! Most dead and buried and soon to be forgotten. For those who have a poetic turn of mind read Ozymandias by Percy Shelley.
I met a traveller from an antique land
Who said: Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desert. Near them, on the sand,
Half sunk, a shattered visage lies, whose frown,
And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command,
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
The hand that mocked them and the heart that fed:
And on the pedestal these words appear:
“My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings:
Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!
No thing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away.
These megalomaniacal psychopaths are not satisfied with the Earth; they consider themselves the “masters of the universe” [sic], while simultaneously prohibiting any claims that they rule the world.
https://twitter.com/Kahlissee/status/1917952657085305000
https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1916717323194339487
Exactly. I've now quickly read through the 7,000 word Bleu article and found it just as totally irrelevant as I'd expected. None of it has anything to do with Newman's very strong case that Angleton was the key high-level CIA figure involved in the JFK Assassination plot.
None of Bleau’s writing, nor that article, nor Newman’s books, have argued against Angleton potentially placing Oswald in the role of patsy in 1963. The article even reiterates that Oswald was a likely ‘useful idiot’. Angleton could be blind to moles and traitors in his midst, and be thrashing about trying to locate them, and still use Oswald as a dupe for the events of November of that year.
The KennedysandKing which Bleu writes for is run by James DiEugenio, Oliver Stone’s main advisor on JFK material and the author of a few books on the topic.
I’d characterise DiEugenio as slowly coming around to Israeli involvement, but doing so a shade quicker than the authors who write for him. He is the most frequent guest, nearly a co-host, at the Black Op Radio podcast site, and the last two episodes are now looking at Israeli involvement. Monica Wiesak (author of the JFK book linked further above) spent 43 minutes talking about Israeli involvement in the assassination in the August 14th episode from last week, and DiEugenio is now pondering the Israeli side of things in the latest episode, August 21st. So he seems to be coming around, albeit slowly.
James «Jim» Angleton?
They would not have his middle name on that memorial because it was JESUS.
James Jesus Angleton.
I always thought that James Jesus Angleton, the Kingfisher, was the mole he was looking for. He was friends with members of the Cambridge 5. Upon the discovery, while accusations were flying in London, a few double agents made escapes, others made excuses, Angleton rushed back to the USA and created the crusade and mission to find the ‘mole’. Angleton destroyed a Russian defector in interrogation; in my opinion he was scared his name would come up. It’s not a leap to say that WWI-WWII era Russian Intelligence apparatus and agents were Jewish. Purportedly Bibi Netanyahu and his father were Soviet ‘Russian’ agents, back in the day. I read that everyday Bibi takes Putin’s call. Soviet Red Army veterans were deployed in the then British Mandate Palestine to clear out the natural inhabitants, the Palestinians, with expert military force.
I think William Colby, ‘the Cardinal’ thought Angleton was at least a double agent for Israel and Colby was probably murdered by Mossad and no one thought to investigate. It doesn’t say much for the CIA. http://www.crimelibrary.org/terrorists_spies/spies/james_jesus_angleton/15.html
Exposure is but the first step. Moving the Overton Window is not going to be done overnight. It is bound to be a gradual thing. Something like the movement of a glacier, until suddenly a major piece breaks off and causes an immense wave that swamps boats in the vicinity. This is a shock. People living in onshore communities near the calving glacier become aware their lives are at risk. Suddenly they wake up.
Many perpetuate the meme bombs and tropes conceived during a time when the public were ill equipped to contest the received. ZIDSO i.e. the Zionist International Deep State Oligarchy didn’t achieve their peculiar dominance overnight. It was conceived centuries ago and disseminated among the Jews and Gentiles alike. The result though is a growing backlash! Why? Gaza is the calving glacier!
Few people were aware that the Zionists had plotted their intentions decades and decades ago. For hundreds of thousands of Jews’ around the world most whom had learned to live among their neighbours — more or less peacefully — it is a shock for them to discover they have been living in a false paradise; living a lie if you will.
Of course if your tribe controls the global money supply it is easy, if you are a member of that tribe, to imagine your good fortune is because of your IQ — rather than getting a free pass. We are witnessing the great unravelling. It is comments like those one reads here on Unz which tend to move the Overton Window.
When the Window does finally open and the light shines into all the dark places maybe some real changes can be promulgated. First dismantle the rules based order and restore the rule of law in every country. This means returning the making of the law to parliaments and congresses and defenestrating the courts in that capacity. This is one example. Countries cannot be allowed to drift in a post nationalist ocean of international disorder. Countries must begin to retake their sovereignty which ZIDSO has undermined. People must gather and protest any and every manifestation of the Rules Based Order when they detect a whiff of its stench.
Citizens must resist the call to hate their neighbours. Trade is good but trade in arms is not good! Expect nothing from the ruling elite — except more and continuing propaganda. Call it out. Avoid joining the military — until the military evinces only a defensive posture.
Those of us here have gathered in this community because we have woken up. We know the wave is coming.
become aware their lives are at risk. Suddenly they wake up.
Angleton was not the mastermind of JFK’s hit job, Allen Dulles was. Anyone thinking otherwise has got it twisted, sorry.
Guarantee you this ugly dude aint gonna get laid without help. He made dozens of trips to Israel. They treated him like ROYALTY. Late night parties…tons of booze and smokes —and What Else???? People under estimate the power of offering fressh young puss to scroungy old geeks.
Israeli Honeypots been running their game for decades. Here’s The not-so-secret life of Mathilde Krim working her magic. She used to smuggle weapons for the IDF back in her crazy youth days.
Wife on his right –Israeli Whore on his Left.
It is an old game. As long as there is LUST in the human male heart…there Israelis will be there to capitalize.
Just starting finished this article and already feel a double thumb-up coming on as Angleton has always been a person of interest to me.
Proud of his hispanic heritage he pronounced his middle name “Hay-Zeus”. Or one could equally say it was a New World affectation. Imagine the chippie who got lumbered with this nightmare.
Of course he has his own network. Would that not be expected? Shirley he was not alone in this, meaning other people had other networks, not that he had partners.
Finished the article. It’s a solid introduction to the topic. To be fleshed out by Widows, Wilderness of Mirrors and the writings of Tennent Bagley for a start.
LBJ had a Jewish terrorist as a relative-seems he was some kind of crypto Jew-his family lineage definitely was Jewish from what I’ve read-explains his complete support of Israel and their “helping” him become President– Jack Ruby Rubinstein et al
No, I think this idea that Lyndon Johnson had Jewish ancestry has been pretty thoroughly debunked, and is something of a red herring anyway. The important point is LBJ was in a close personal relationship – no doubt an affair – with former Irgun agent and self-proclaimed Jewess Mathilde Krim, who had soothingly curled herself around Johnson’s bruised axis of ego when she found the big Texan sitting by himself and sulking at JFK’s birthday party because everyone was paying attention to Jack!
U.S. Pres. Lyndon B. Johnson and Mathilde Krim
Undated photo: Mondoweiss
With the Krims straddling his pipeline, all of LBJ’s innermost thoughts would have been available to the Israelis, presumably even remarks about his visits from God!
Yes, at one point, LBJ reportedly told a startled foreign ambassador that he, Johnson, had been visited in the White House by the Holy Ghost!
‘Makes me wonder what somebody was putting in Johnson’s drinks.
On Aug. 11, 2025, Community College News Now reported:
"Project Interchange, involving visits to various Israeli educational institutions and meetings with professionals and experts. The delegation aimed to foster understanding and collaboration between American community colleges and Israeli higher education ..."
This is how the seduction of the next James Jesus Angleton is facilitated. ]____
"Four community college presidents have returned from a week-long educational delegation to Israel, marking the first time the American Jewish Committee's Project Interchange program has been tailored specifically for two-year college leaders."
Replies: @Zumbuddi, @werpor
In 1913 Kallen, aware of the moribund condition of the Zionist organization, felt that the way in which he and the Parushim would be most influential was through a program of education. His focus was on "the play of ideas—it had to be more theoretical than practical, imaging a program or an action without doing it." One of his first requests to Henrietta Szold, for instance, was that she provide literature for Zionist courses to be given in Temples and Sunday Schools, a request to which she readily acquiesced.
Within a few months, however, Kallen was looking further afield, and by April 1914 was writing to Max Nordau, a political Zionist who had been Herzl's first and most loyal colleague and closest advisor, of his desire to internationalize his secret order. [Kallen wrote:]. . ,[I]t happens to be my turn to head the secret organization here in
America, which is aiming to turn the Zionist movement in a political
direction, from within.
Our order is called Parushim. It is the outcome of the prolonged
association of a number of young men in "academic" life who observing
the general trend of events in the Zionist movement decided that the
higher ideals would fail unless a check were set. . . Members must all
be of distinguished character and trained minds . . . Our present purpose
is one of quiet propaganda and education in the "political idea."
We aim to make the masses consciously "political."
... It is our desire and plan to organize brotherhoods all over the
world. . . . We hope if all goes well in a few years quietly to turn the
Zionist movement back into its proper channels. . .
It is all ZIDSO to me! Never forget the power of the Zionist International Deep State Oligarchy. They will never give up.
Hah! Anon no doubt writes what he means to convey. You on the other hand chose an adverb in your earlier post (comment #23) which failed to convey what you meant to convey or if you did intend the adverb “pitifully” to intentionally arouse pity for Anglin being fired, then, asking you if you are sure the adverb “pitifully” suits your contention? (that) “Anyone but this Jew would have been brought up for treason” doesn’t jive; does it?
Whatever it is you are attempting to convey is lost by your writing that, “…Bill Colby caught on that he was pitifully dealt with by firing him.”
Are you sure the adverb “pitifully” suits your contention? (that) “Anyone but this Jew would have been brought up for treason.