Replies: @Rev. Spooner, @Lee-OH Rising

There are also legitimate questions as to how he concealed the rifle when he jumped down off the roof of the building.
 

Replies: @Carroll Price

"i can can think of others, including the whole event was staged, like the two trump “assassination attempts”. if he really was killed how can we exclude trump as a suspect? remember trump was bestest buds with epstein, if kirk was really questing trump’s broken promise to release the files, this would surely end kirk’s inquires into the matter. it also makes kirk a martyr, that can be used to crack down on both free speech and tranny “leftists” - The "whole event was staged," eh? You don't seem fully convinced that Kirk was killed since you write "if he really was killed." So, is Charlie alive somewhere?

And Trump fully knew about Kirk's assassination since he was friends many years earlier with Epstein, do I have this correct? Trump wanted to get rid of him because Kirk was getting suspicious of why the Epstein files were not being released, right? Is Trump planning to murder any other social media influencers who are challenging Trump's refusal to release the files? Just wondering because we might want to warn those same influencers now lest the president arrange another hit job. And crafty bloviated Trump had Kirk murdered too so that he could use his death to justify cracking down on free speech, right?

"perhaps you don’t fully understand the purpose of federal investigations. they’re not there to find the truth, their purpose is to establish the narrative and quash any opposing view points, just look at the investigation into 9/11" - Oh, you're right, the purpose of federal law enforcement investigations is to not solve crimes?! Granted, cover-ups do happen now and then, but to say that it's the purpose or intention of federal investigations to obfuscate and cover up criminal investigations is quite a stretch. And how can you be sure that it has happened in the case of Charlie Kirk when all the investigative information hasn't been released and is not even fully known yet? The truth is, you don't.

And do you seriously think I was denying that the Mossad or even the CIA has killed controversial public figures at times? My point which you obviously missed was that while Charlie Kirk was a prominent social media influencer, he was not the only clear voice that spoke out against Israel. Should we now be worried about Nick Fuentes, Max Blumenthal or Dave Smith? Other than Kirk (according to your theory), what other anti-Israel social media influencers has Israel or Trump knocked off? Surely, there has to be more, right?

Interestingly, Kirk had only recently started to mildly push back against Israeli propaganda and AIPAC. Though Kirk is reported as disliking Netanyahu, he never said so publicly and constantly reasserted how much he believed in Israel's right to exist, etc.

Your comments demonstrate the great leaps you're willing to make based on the flimsiest of evidence. It's one thing if there was some uncertainty on your part and you merely couched your arguments as possibilities while admitting the lack of verifiable evidence for your theories, but you proclaim them as uncontested fact and anyone who doesn't see it the way you do is an ignoramus or a government shill of some type.

Replies: @Notsofast, @muh muh, @Dutch Abraham, @Czarlazar, @Anon_Noticer_3, @Carroll Price

It’s incredible – all this ink spilled, and yet there is no evidence Charlie Kirk ever saw a trauma team at Timpanogos Regional in Orem, UT. No doctor has ever commented on his shooting. No 911 call. NOTHING.

A surgeon commented on how the bullet did not exit.

Replies: @Sticker

It's incredible - all this ink spilled, and yet there is no evidence Charlie Kirk ever saw a trauma team at Timpanogos Regional in Orem, UT. No doctor has ever commented on his shooting. No 911 call. NOTHING.

It amazes me that no one has investigated this, after all these yeoman efforts to investigate all these conspiracies, one after another.

He had NECK injury for God's sake, and was thrown into an SUV. No backboard, no stabilization of the neck, a deoxygenated coagulated stream from the LEFT neck (not a spray of thinner bright red oxygenated blood), wound totally inconsistent with a .30.06 bullet which can kill a bear, still held the microphone in his left hand, no droplets of blood on the ground on the way to the SUV, nor on the men carrying him, no apparent call to alert the trauma team, no 911 call, a tainted and then destroyed murder site within minutes of the apparent shooting, no police tape to cordon off the area, no press conference at the hospital, no white coats crowing heroic efforts, NOTHING. Andrew Kolvet, Spokeman for Turning Point USA claims to have spoken to Charlie's trauma surgeon, who of course remains nameless, and supposedly called Charlie "the man of steel." ABSURD, ALL OF IT.

Oh, but of course Israel did it, and we must trust Max Blumenthal. I ask you!

https://thomashuxley.substack.com/p/where-is-the-hospital-trauma-team

https://thomashuxley.substack.com/p/it-gets-worse

Replies: @John Johnson, @Cup of Joe

It's incredible - all this ink spilled, and yet there is no evidence Charlie Kirk ever saw a trauma team at Timpanogos Regional in Orem, UT. No doctor has ever commented on his shooting. No 911 call. NOTHING.

It amazes me that no one has investigated this, after all these yeoman efforts to investigate all these conspiracies, one after another.

He had NECK injury for God's sake, and was thrown into an SUV. No backboard, no stabilization of the neck, a deoxygenated coagulated stream from the LEFT neck (not a spray of thinner bright red oxygenated blood), wound totally inconsistent with a .30.06 bullet which can kill a bear, still held the microphone in his left hand, no droplets of blood on the ground on the way to the SUV, nor on the men carrying him, no apparent call to alert the trauma team, no 911 call, a tainted and then destroyed murder site within minutes of the apparent shooting, no police tape to cordon off the area, no press conference at the hospital, no white coats crowing heroic efforts, NOTHING. Andrew Kolvet, Spokeman for Turning Point USA claims to have spoken to Charlie's trauma surgeon, who of course remains nameless, and supposedly called Charlie "the man of steel." ABSURD, ALL OF IT.

Oh, but of course Israel did it, and we must trust Max Blumenthal. I ask you!

https://thomashuxley.substack.com/p/where-is-the-hospital-trauma-team

https://thomashuxley.substack.com/p/it-gets-worse

Replies: @John Johnson, @Cup of Joe

Even now, the entirety of the Israel-Killed-Kirk theory rests on anecdotal and sometimes dubious information that has been pulled together in hodge-podge fashion. None of it is tied together in any concrete and intelligible way, and it rests mainly on inferences and a collection of accounts that have no firm connection. That is why if this theory were presented in a court of law, it would fail miserably based on the laws on evidence.
 

Replies: @Truth Vigilante, @Daniel Rich, @Notsofast, @chris, @Ambrose Kane, @Cup of Joe

hopefully ron will come to his senses and take away your commenting privileges. there are many here in the community that wish to see this, i am not the only one i’m sure.

AK rules!

Replies: @Notsofast

hopefully ron will come to his senses and restore your commenting privileges. there are many here in the community that wish to see this, i am not the only one i'm sure.

Replies: @anon

Note, too, that this character you’re jousting with is evading the [xxx] tagging instituted for anonymous comments at TUR years ago.

This flagrant misbehavior is apparently condoned by Ron Unz, while some of us who’ve contributed for years in good faith are now squelched without warning or explanation.

Replies: @anon, @Notsofast

Note, too, that this character you’re jousting with is evading the [xxx] tagging instituted for anonymous comments at TUR years ago.

This flagrant misbehavior is apparently condoned by Ron Unz, while some of us who’ve contributed for years in good faith are now squelched without warning or explanation.

Replies: @anon, @Notsofast

The self-described masters of the universe similarly do not have a direct line to people at every level in every single place waiting for their instructions, because that would imply that they directly boss millions of people all around the world and there isn’t enough time in the day for them to do that.
 

but either way it [Butler PA fake assassination attempt] was done without Trump’s knowledge. He is not capable of pulling that off
 

Unless I am very much mistaken about him and everything we have seen of him his entire life has been an elaborate con, every word he has ever spoken in public an elaborate act, playing the Orange Clown for shits and giggles.
 

Replies: @Kingsmeg

SS security detail that would normally place obstacles to prevent rooftop snipers from shooting Trump
 

The Secret Service read from a script – a ZOG dictated script.
Their job is to follow orders – nothing more.
 

Then there were interviews a couple weeks later with the 2 SS snipers who eventually killed Crooks, saying they saw him and had him in their sights but were ordered not to shoot by the SS agent in charge of the scene. The new agent that was brought in just for this event, because Trump's regular SS detail had been pulled on Biden's orders, supposedly to cover his wife Jill at some event. People blamed this on that agent in charge being a DEI hire, and she (black woman) may have been demoted afterwards, I don't remember.

Now you are saying it was all fake and everyone was just 'following a script'. And I see this differently, the deep state cannot micro-manage every little detail of everything they do, the (((banksters))) who run the world install people in key positions, and those people are tasked with running things. They are not simply puppets who get detailed instructions every day, they are like the aristocrats during the middle ages who had their lands and their peasants and their job was to keep the peasants under control and keep the taxes flowing to the king, but they had wide latitude on how to do that. Because neither the king nor the pope had people in every single village reporting every single event and waiting for instructions.

The self-described masters of the universe similarly do not have a direct line to people at every level in every single place waiting for their instructions, because that would imply that they directly boss millions of people all around the world and there isn't enough time in the day for them to do that. They have to delegate, use managers. And there is intense competition among those managers for advancement, just like in any corporation. Anyone who has worked in management at any level in a large corporation knows that everyone goes through their day looking to back-stab everyone else and take credit for everyone else's work, because they're all scrabbling for any opportunity to move up the corporate ladder. And they're allowed to do that until they fuck up and cause problems for upper management, at which point the shit hits the fan and people are scapegoated and everyone goes into cover-your-ass mode.

So I can't tell you exactly who planned exactly what in Butler, but I can tell you from looking at his reaction that Trump himself was not in on it. So whoever planned this wanted to either kill Trump or put him in the White House, I can't tell you which, but either way it was done without Trump's knowledge. He is not capable of pulling that off. Unless I am very much mistaken about him and everything we have seen of him his entire life has been an elaborate con, every word he has ever spoken in public an elaborate act, playing the Orange Clown for shits and giggles. And I lean towards killing Trump because pulling this off as an act to put him in the White House, without his knowledge, ran the risk of having him piss his pants like the coward he is, then run into the crowd and grab a baby to hold up in front of him like a shield.

Replies: @Truth Vigilante

I will try to answer the issue of the incriminating cellphone texts. I've read those same texts that are alleged to have come from Tyler Robinson and I have not found anything alarming about them or that has compelled me to think they are fake or doctored. However, they very well could be as I'm no expert in evaluating any of this.

Part of the problem is that there's no way I can compare the writing style, syntax, and unique phrases or terms that Tyler routinely employs with the text messages that he is alleged to have used when he communicated Lance Twiggs.

Even if there are some differences, this would not necessarily preclude Tyler from having made those incriminating texts when one considers his emotional state at the time.

Either way, it will all pan out in the end.

Replies: @Tiptoethrutulips, @peterAUS, @Truth Vigilante, @peterAUS

Replies: @Olivier1973

You speak of a:

SS security detail that would normally place obstacles to prevent rooftop snipers from shooting Trump
 

So if these ‘ZOG snipers’ had wanted to shoot Trump, all they had to do was move to an adjacent room, but of course that would have been….. impossible.
 

You see, unlike a significant subset of Americans, the yids in Apartheid Israel know FOR CERTAIN that Donald Chump is 'one of theirs', that he is totally committed to the ZOG agenda and the Greater Israel project.
 

Replies: @Kingsmeg

based in stupidity, just like you, that's why he's your hero. you spout bullshit and when you're called out on it, you respond, "yeah, well at least he's based", exactly like your hero once again. you and he are birds of a feather, a pair of quarter wits, that add up to a half wit.

Replies: @Greta Handel

From where the professional ZOG employed snipers were situated (ie: in a DIFFERENT BUILDING to where Crooks was), if we draw a line from them to the stage where Donald Chump stood, in between them was a HUGE obstacle in the way.
This would’ve made it impossible for them to shoot at Chump even if they’d wanted to.
 

Replies: @Truth Vigilante

Watch it again. The spokesman for the Secret Service said that IF Crooks had raised himself to the crest of the roof, then he would’ve presented himself as an easy target to the Secret Service counter snipers.
(Got it? IF Crooks raised himself – which he never did).
 

What if the SS knew the whole time that Crooks was up there?

What if their marching orders that day, was that 'There is going to be a loser / MKUtra patsy on the roof with a rifle, and a clear shot at Trump. Your job is to pretend not to see him, and let him get off some shots. We have a professional photographer from the NYT with a super-high-speed camera set up to catch the shot (pun intended), of Trump's head blowing off. Afterwards, you are to take out the loser. Head shot, so no chance of him blabbing.

****

That is what I think went down. I think the entire SS knew Crooks was on the roof, and they had orders from the top, to pretend not to know. And to let the loser get off his shots, because the intent was, (from the top / Mayorkas), to take Trump out.

But then Crooks turned out to be too big of a loser to get the job done.

So you see, if my theory is correct, then the whole issue of Crooks head being visible from the ridge, is moot. Sure he was visible, they all knew the guy was up there, (with a rangefinder and a rifle), but they also had orders to stand down. Wait until he took the shots.

Maybe TruthV, you're just not as cynical as I am, and you can't imagine highly paid men, trained and trusted to keep our presidents, (current or former), alive, being willing to betray that trust, and betray their nation, and all so they can continue to slurp at the sinecure trough.

here is a report of a local swat member's account of that day,

https://abcnews.go.com/US/local-swat-team-blames-trump-assassination-attempt-lack/story?id=112352324

and how the local guys and people at the rally were all trying everything to get the SS to check Crooks out, but no one did, but it wasn't because they didn't know. They, (the Secret Service) knew Crooks was there with a rangefinder, lurking around, and alerted the higher-ups, but they refused to do anything about it.

From the top, the Secret Service stood down, and allowed Crooks to do whatever it was that Crooks was there to do.

Perhaps, Crooks was just there to be there, with an unloaded gun, so that the SS snipers could take out members of the crowd, and have a patsy to blame it on.

Or, whatever happened, I don't know. But what seems obvious, is that the Secret Service knew Crooks was a threat, and refused to do anything about it, until after shots rang out, from whomever was shooting.

"because the intent was, (from the top / Mayorkas), to take Trump out."

I think this is the part you might have trouble with. I think to your mind, it wasn't about 'taking Trump, (or Chump) out', but rather putting him in the presidency. But please consider, if the SS was headed by Mayorkas, then to my mind, that meant the SS was headed by the Obama/Hillary cabal, who were the actual puppet masters during Biden's regime. (Yes, I know, with ZOG always ruling over the entire circus). But ZOG allows a certain 'initiative' among its minions, and had the Mayorkas, Garland, Wray, Obama, Hillary cabal managed to pull it off, ZOG would have been on board.

Already Tulsi has been giving press conferences that seem to declare that Obama committed treason, with the whole orchestrated 'Russia-gate' ruse. A former president being accused of treason, is not a small thing. IOW, I don't think that the Butler, PA, fiasco was planned and carried out by Obama/Biden apparatchiks in order to bolster Trump's presidential aspirations.

I think they were hoping that the MKUtra loser would either take Trump out, or give one of their snipers the pretext to do so, but then something went wrong.

But I admit, I don't know. Even as I also don't think it was all contrived with the Biden regime and media, as a set up for that photo op with the flag and bloody ear and defiant fist.

I think the Biden regime and most of the media, (and billions of people on this planet ; ) hate Trump enough to want to see his brains blown out, hopefully in a nice high-resolution video, they can play over and over and over...

Replies: @Olivier1973, @Truth Vigilante

Well.....hahaha....I do have a bit of conundrum here.

I do believe Tyler Robinson is the assassin. Everything points to that. For me, anyway.
EXCEPT

....Charlie Kirk did not have a wound that had anywhere near the damage that the muzzle energy, penetration, and expansion that a 30-06 round would inflict.....
 

Replies: @Luus Kanin

You fail to understand that Crooks had a mission. And the snipers too.

For him, to make a few shots. Of course I don't know what could have convinced him to do that. Obviously he had no idea that he will be the cockold at the end.

The snipers did what they were told to do. Let him make a few shots and then dead man tells no tale.

Who saw the scar on Trump right ear?

Replies: @Rurik

Yes, I’ve read your assessment that it [the so-called assassination attempt on Donald Chump in Butler PA in July 2024] was staged, I don’t really have a strong opinion either way.
 

You wrote something about an obstacle, but the kid would have had the entire roof of a quite long building to find a spot that wasn’t obstructed.
 

Replies: @Kingsmeg

Watch it again. The spokesman for the Secret Service said that IF Crooks had raised himself to the crest of the roof, then he would’ve presented himself as an easy target to the Secret Service counter snipers.
(Got it? IF Crooks raised himself – which he never did).
 

What if the SS knew the whole time that Crooks was up there?

What if their marching orders that day, was that 'There is going to be a loser / MKUtra patsy on the roof with a rifle, and a clear shot at Trump. Your job is to pretend not to see him, and let him get off some shots. We have a professional photographer from the NYT with a super-high-speed camera set up to catch the shot (pun intended), of Trump's head blowing off. Afterwards, you are to take out the loser. Head shot, so no chance of him blabbing.

****

That is what I think went down. I think the entire SS knew Crooks was on the roof, and they had orders from the top, to pretend not to know. And to let the loser get off his shots, because the intent was, (from the top / Mayorkas), to take Trump out.

But then Crooks turned out to be too big of a loser to get the job done.

So you see, if my theory is correct, then the whole issue of Crooks head being visible from the ridge, is moot. Sure he was visible, they all knew the guy was up there, (with a rangefinder and a rifle), but they also had orders to stand down. Wait until he took the shots.

Maybe TruthV, you're just not as cynical as I am, and you can't imagine highly paid men, trained and trusted to keep our presidents, (current or former), alive, being willing to betray that trust, and betray their nation, and all so they can continue to slurp at the sinecure trough.

here is a report of a local swat member's account of that day,

https://abcnews.go.com/US/local-swat-team-blames-trump-assassination-attempt-lack/story?id=112352324

and how the local guys and people at the rally were all trying everything to get the SS to check Crooks out, but no one did, but it wasn't because they didn't know. They, (the Secret Service) knew Crooks was there with a rangefinder, lurking around, and alerted the higher-ups, but they refused to do anything about it.

From the top, the Secret Service stood down, and allowed Crooks to do whatever it was that Crooks was there to do.

Perhaps, Crooks was just there to be there, with an unloaded gun, so that the SS snipers could take out members of the crowd, and have a patsy to blame it on.

Or, whatever happened, I don't know. But what seems obvious, is that the Secret Service knew Crooks was a threat, and refused to do anything about it, until after shots rang out, from whomever was shooting.

"because the intent was, (from the top / Mayorkas), to take Trump out."

I think this is the part you might have trouble with. I think to your mind, it wasn't about 'taking Trump, (or Chump) out', but rather putting him in the presidency. But please consider, if the SS was headed by Mayorkas, then to my mind, that meant the SS was headed by the Obama/Hillary cabal, who were the actual puppet masters during Biden's regime. (Yes, I know, with ZOG always ruling over the entire circus). But ZOG allows a certain 'initiative' among its minions, and had the Mayorkas, Garland, Wray, Obama, Hillary cabal managed to pull it off, ZOG would have been on board.

Already Tulsi has been giving press conferences that seem to declare that Obama committed treason, with the whole orchestrated 'Russia-gate' ruse. A former president being accused of treason, is not a small thing. IOW, I don't think that the Butler, PA, fiasco was planned and carried out by Obama/Biden apparatchiks in order to bolster Trump's presidential aspirations.

I think they were hoping that the MKUtra loser would either take Trump out, or give one of their snipers the pretext to do so, but then something went wrong.

But I admit, I don't know. Even as I also don't think it was all contrived with the Biden regime and media, as a set up for that photo op with the flag and bloody ear and defiant fist.

I think the Biden regime and most of the media, (and billions of people on this planet ; ) hate Trump enough to want to see his brains blown out, hopefully in a nice high-resolution video, they can play over and over and over...

Replies: @Olivier1973, @Truth Vigilante

Ambrose Kane sure wants us to know that he is a retired police officer and investigator, so he is insured of the much needed street cred from the inquisitive crowd that has gathered and is standing around in the dark. He might even say the suspect had the means, opportunity, and motive, so most likely that is our guy. Then comes the "move along, nothing to see here". He knows us bumpkins will say, "yep, he's the expert who knows what he's talking about, let's get us a bunch of beers and take in the game."

Mr. Kane didn't mean to, but he accidentally gave the game away when he said, "I'm somewhat skeptical that Israel killed Kirk." Had Mr. Kane been a homicide investigator he would already know that Tyler Robinson did not have the means to kill Charlie Kirk, and you can't have a homicide without the means to commit said homicide. The FBI has tied a 30-06 rifle to Tyler Robinson, but every hunter and rifleman knows that Charlie Kirk did not have a wound that had anywhere near the damage that the muzzle energy, penetration, and expansion that a 30-06 round would inflict.

Mr. Kane sure does a ton of homicide investigating all over the place, but somehow doesn't want to look too closely at the one sitting in the chair opposite him; the serial killer that has been operating with impunity for years.

Replies: @peterAUS

I just watched a few minutes of your video, and at 17:20, they’re pointing out that Crooks would have been seen by the counter snipers.
 

Watch it again. The spokesman for the Secret Service said that IF Crooks had raised himself to the crest of the roof, then he would've presented himself as an easy target to the Secret Service counter snipers.
(Got it? IF Crooks raised himself - which he never did).

And the narrator of that video SUPERIMPOSES the figure of Crooks in place of the Secret Service bloke in that recreation of what it would've looked like HAD Crooks gotten to the crest of the roof. This he would have needed to do to get in a position where he could get a shot in a downward trajectory at the Orange baboon.

Summary: Crooks never crawled up ANYWHERE NEAR to the ridge line of the roof.
As such he was never seen by the SS counter snipers at ANY time.
 

I'm not telling you that I'm reasonably certain that this was a fake assassination attempt, OR that I'm 99-99.7% sure.
If you peruse the facts you'll see that there was NO CHANCE that real bullets were fired anywhere near to the Orang-U-tan.

The live rounds that were fired came from professional snipers in the employ of ZOG - not from Thomas Crooks.
And those snipers were tasked with shooting at the MAGAts in the crowd.
(All those shot were MANY metres away from Donald Chump - not one of them was in his immediate vicinity).

Replies: @Rurik

I will try to answer the issue of the incriminating cellphone texts. I've read those same texts that are alleged to have come from Tyler Robinson and I have not found anything alarming about them or that has compelled me to think they are fake or doctored. However, they very well could be as I'm no expert in evaluating any of this.

Part of the problem is that there's no way I can compare the writing style, syntax, and unique phrases or terms that Tyler routinely employs with the text messages that he is alleged to have used when he communicated Lance Twiggs.

Even if there are some differences, this would not necessarily preclude Tyler from having made those incriminating texts when one considers his emotional state at the time.

Either way, it will all pan out in the end.

Replies: @Tiptoethrutulips, @peterAUS, @Truth Vigilante, @peterAUS

Yes, I've read your assessment that it was staged, I don't really have a strong opinion either way. You wrote something about an obstacle, but the kid would have had the entire roof of a quite long building to find a spot that wasn't obstructed. Also: There's no way Trump allowed anyone to intentionally fire a live round that close to his person, because he is a coward and would never have taken that risk. And his fist-pumping reaction is, IMHO, consistent with a narcissist realizing that someone tried to kill him, once his adrenaline got going and his ego pushed him into making that display.

JMO. Offhand, I can't point out other cases of narcissists responding similarly, but I certainly do not take his reaction to be proof that it was staged. To my educated eye, it looked plausible, and he's a terrible liar, a toddler could learn to spot Trump in full lying mode (to be fair, that is most of the time).

Replies: @Truth Vigilante

Hey TruthV,

I just watched a few minutes of your video, and at 17:20, they're pointing out that Crooks would have been seen by the counter snipers.

But please consider, at least as far as I know, anyone who has looked into Butler, would all have to agree that the Secret Service obviously stood down on that day. And allowed Crooks to do whatever it was he was doing up there.

That much, I think we all agree on, (with the possible exception of Ambrose Kane).

So yes, of course, there were anomalies and cover-ups, to be sure.

But from what I understand, your theory is that everyone involved, from Trump to Trump's team to the Secret Service to the local police and FBI and Justice Dept., and media, were all on board to create this theater of the 'bloody ear', in order to bolster Trump's presidential ambitions, no?

Which for many of us, (myself, for instance), is just not credible.

Yes, the SS was complicit, at the highest levels. Obviously. But that's the only thing I think we can be sure of. The SS operates under the authority of The Dept. of Homeland Security, which at the time was headed by Alejandro Mayorkas.

Perhaps they all conspired to create this ruse, in order to make sure Trump became president.

/

But I also consider it possible, that Mayorkas and his ilk, (Hillary, Obama, Garland, Schiff, Comey, et al...), wanted for some pathetic loser, (Crooks) to be MKUltra'd into taking out the man they all hated more than anyone or anything on this earth. So they arranged for the loser to climb to the roof, and take the shot, but allowing too many shots, would have given the game away, so they had to finally allow the counter snipers to off the loser.

I have no proof of that, but the idea that the SS wasn't monitoring the rooftops, is for me, absurd.

Just as absurd as the idea 'the sloped roof' was too dangerous too risk a sniper up there'.

Of course they're lying. It's just a matter of how deep does the rot go?

Just as we're all wondering with Charlie. How deep does the rot go?

Is this whole thing a ruse, and a psyop?

It looks like in both cases, we'll never know the actual truth.

Replies: @Truth Vigilante

Thx for the reply.

I agree with your approach here.

I was more along the line that the part of the evidence package will, or should at least, be the snapshot of cellular (data) network at the time and the place. His/that phone COULD be nicely mapped into that location. Let's leave it there; no need to get too technical at this stage.

BTW, I guess you are "online experienced" enough to realize that whatever you write or not, here, won't make a dent in 90 % of "audience". In some other online echo chambers the number could be the opposite, of course.

For me the case is pretty much clear re WHO pulled the kill shot. I am one of 10 %.

What is not that clear, to me, is whether he really acted alone, or, there was some influence, guiding, mentoring, whatever.
It could've come from either trans/antifa crowd or gaming crowd.

AND, the magic bullet.
In some other comment here I've stated how it could've worked. Possible, yes; how likely, well, I'd say 1 %, tops.
And in this game that probability simply must create all sort of theories. And, well, maybe one of those is correct. Can't be much worse than what the "magic bullet" theory requires.
I...suspect....the "magic bullet" covers some blunder/ERROR done by security services. I have an idea or two. We'll see.....

Bottom line, I do know about guns. This "lodged in neck" is HARD to accept.

Replies: @Luus Kanin

Responding to Mr Rocky-boat, you wrote:

As a flatfoot beat cop, perhaps you don’t fully understand the purpose of federal investigations. They’re not there to find the truth, their purpose is to establish the narrative and quash any opposing view points, just look at the investigation into 9/11.
 

Replies: @Priss Factor

the actual sound of the gun recorded from the esplanade, the location of the shooter, where people’s heads are turning.
 

Replies: @Jiminy

I will try to answer the issue of the incriminating cellphone texts. I've read those same texts that are alleged to have come from Tyler Robinson and I have not found anything alarming about them or that has compelled me to think they are fake or doctored. However, they very well could be as I'm no expert in evaluating any of this.

Part of the problem is that there's no way I can compare the writing style, syntax, and unique phrases or terms that Tyler routinely employs with the text messages that he is alleged to have used when he communicated Lance Twiggs.

Even if there are some differences, this would not necessarily preclude Tyler from having made those incriminating texts when one considers his emotional state at the time.

Either way, it will all pan out in the end.

Replies: @Tiptoethrutulips, @peterAUS, @Truth Vigilante, @peterAUS

I will try to answer the issue of the incriminating cellphone texts. I've read those same texts that are alleged to have come from Tyler Robinson and I have not found anything alarming about them or that has compelled me to think they are fake or doctored. However, they very well could be as I'm no expert in evaluating any of this.

Part of the problem is that there's no way I can compare the writing style, syntax, and unique phrases or terms that Tyler routinely employs with the text messages that he is alleged to have used when he communicated Lance Twiggs.

Even if there are some differences, this would not necessarily preclude Tyler from having made those incriminating texts when one considers his emotional state at the time.

Either way, it will all pan out in the end.

Replies: @Tiptoethrutulips, @peterAUS, @Truth Vigilante, @peterAUS

Yep....
Plus a couple of tech elements re cells, cell networking, cellphones etc.

Hehe...still....one can't help but notice that you do skip, somehow, those two elements in all your exhaustive replies here.
One I'd get; it's politically sensitive for the Right at the moment and sort of makes sense to try to bury it. The tranny/antifa angle.

The another, that “neck projectile”, is another thing, though.

Well, perhaps, in time, you'd address that in one of your coming articles.

All good.

Replies: @Ambrose Kane

https://rense.com/general98/MURDER-WEAPON.php

Well, this video only will clean Tyler Robinson of any direct charge. The sound and the hit are simultaneous. Which is impossible when the bullet travels at 3000 feet/second and the sound at 1125 feet/second.

Also it is obvious that the sound comes from very close to Kirk. I do not swallow the palm gun story, but rather a gun triggered by electronic control from a short distance. It will explain why the bullet remained in Kirk's neck. A camera can hide such a remote controlled gun.

Only remember how the Zionists could stuff explosive in pagers.

Replies: @Olivier1973

It’s better to let the FBI and government provide a full narrative of what happened and let them present their evidence. If there are still clear holes in it, then it will fall apart of its own accord.
 

just like Butler, PA, as I was just writing about. Now that the FBI has had time to conduct their investigation, we all know exactly what happened.

Or 9/11 and so many other crimes, if we would simply stop being impatient, the FBI will eventually figure out what happened, and how, and let us all know, but in their on good time. An investigation doesn't happen over night, people! These devoted experts need time to make sure they cross the t's and dot the I's. Better to be late, than to get it wrong.

I remember someone being impatient to know what the motive was, for the Los Vegas shooting, I told him just wait, and the FBI will let us all know, in their good time.

Just like Epstein, or so many other heinous crimes, if we just get out of the way of the FBI, and give them time to investigate, we can rest in our beds at night, knowing the very best of the best, are watching over us, and keeping us safe, and always, always getting the bad guys.

https://www.the-sun.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/2022/08/NINTCHDBPICT000382368002.jpg?w=940

please just look at that flag behind this man. Fidelity, bravery, and integrity.

Most of all, integrity!

Replies: @muh muh, @KenH

You’re making the same mistake that people made in the aftermath of the Trump shooting in Butler, thinking the shooter was aiming for the neck / ear.
Obviously in both cases, they missed, except the Kirk killer got lucky with a kill shot in the neck, and the Butler shooter missed completely.
 

Meg-sie, you've posted some excellent comments earlier on in this thread.
So don't undo the good work by posting nonsense like this.
ie: claiming there was a genuine assassin aiming at Donald Chump in Butler PA last year.

I've posted this video before, but evidently you were not paying attention (you need only watch the few minutes from 14:00-20:30 and 45:20-46:40):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rq2QFvWFUC0

Summary: Those few minutes I've specified above demonstrate that the MK Ultra controlled kid called Crooks FIRED NO BULLETS at the Orange Clown.
(More than likely the gun he was carrying had no live rounds in it - assuming it even was a real gun).

Meanwhile, those hidden snipers positioned in another building, had a clear line of sight to the MAGAts in the crowd that were fired upon (injuring several and killing one).
Bullets fired at the MAGAts was no accident. (ie: these were not bullets intended for Donald Chump that went astray). These hired-by-ZOG professionals were tasked with the job of injuring/killing those attending the rally.

You see, that was a MAJOR ELEMENT of the theatre production.
For added realism there had to be LIVE AMMUNITION and collateral damage.
That way the Orange Clown could raise his fist later on and ACT BRAVELY/DEFIANTLY IN THE FACE OF ENEMY FIRE, so the gullible dupe MAGAts could marvel at what a gutsy leader they had.

The real snipers, even if they had wanted to, COULD NOT shoot at the Orang-U-tan.
Because an IMPEDIMENT blocked their line of sight to the stage where Donald Chump was situated on.
 

Anyone who thinks otherwise has just been too lazy to look into the matter in any depth - not that the whole thing didn't reek of theatre from the get-go.

Replies: @Rurik, @Kingsmeg

There’s nothing in Kirk’s comments that imply he had Israeli bodyguards while here in the U.S. nor that he had them on the day he was assassinated.
 

Overview of the Shaffer Group

The Shaffer Group, formally known as Shaffer Security Group (SSG), is a U.S.-based private security firm founded by Greg Shaffer, a former FBI agent with over 20 years of experience. The company specializes in risk management, executive protection, and security consulting for high-profile individuals, businesses, and events. It employs former Tier 1 military operators and has been involved in providing security for conservative political figures and organizations, including Turning Point USA (TPUSA) and its founder Charlie Kirk. SSG's website and public statements emphasize expertise in counter-terrorism and threat assessment, often highlighting global risks.

Key Connections to Israel

1. Leadership and Zionist Advocacy

Greg Shaffer (Founder and CEO): Shaffer is a vocal supporter of Israel, frequently posting on social media about Islamic terrorism threats and pro-Israel narratives. His content often frames global security challenges in ways that align with Israeli perspectives on regional conflicts, such as tensions with Iran, Hezbollah, and Hamas. For instance, Shaffer has shared analyses emphasizing Israel's role in countering these threats, positioning SSG's expertise as relevant to such scenarios.

Ben Shaffer (Greg's Brother and SSG Team Member): Ben has been photographed at high-profile U.S. political events, including the July 13, 2024, rally in Butler, Pennsylvania, where he was part of security details. He has also appeared in discussions on private security alongside figures like Erik Prince (former Blackwater CEO), further embedding SSG in networks that intersect with pro-Israel defense policy circles.

2. Media and Public Commentary on Israeli Conflicts

SSG has a history of appearing on media outlets to discuss Israel-related security issues. In 2019, Greg Shaffer and SSG representatives provided live commentary on i24NEWS (an Israeli-based international news channel) about escalations between Israel and Lebanon, including drone strikes and potential war risks. These segments focused on threat assessments and de-escalation strategies, showcasing SSG's "expertise" in Middle Eastern geopolitics.

This engagement suggests SSG positions itself as a go-to source for Western audiences on Israeli security concerns, potentially building informal alliances with Israeli media and intelligence-adjacent networks.

3. Associations with Pro-Israel Organizations and Individuals

SSG collaborates with Echelon Front, a leadership and security training firm co-founded by Leif Babin and Jocko Willink (former Navy SEALs). Babin serves on the New York Cabinet of the Jewish Institute for National Security of America (JINSA), a think tank advocating for strong U.S.-Israel defense ties, including policies on Iran and military aid. SSG team members, including TPUSA's head of security Dan Flood, have been photographed with Echelon Front leadership, indicating overlapping professional networks.

Greg Shaffer has ties to Utah Valley University (UVU), where SSG reportedly set up school security camera networks. UVU has received donations from pro-Israel donors, and Shaffer's involvement has been flagged in online discussions as part of broader Zionist funding influences in U.S. education and security.

Note that, despite ending its contract with TPUSA in 2022, SSG returned but for a single day to provide security at the event where Kirk was assassinated.

How auspicious.

Feel free to double check these facts, officer Ambrose.

We know you're on the case, working day and night to arrive at 'the Truth' (with a capital 'T', no less). 🕶️

Replies: @muh muh

That's quite a stretch and a case of reading more into his words than what's actually there. There's nothing in Kirk's comments that imply he had Israeli bodyguards while here in the U.S. nor that he had them on the day he was assassinated. No doubt, he felt they were good bodyguards probably when he had previously visited Israel and was provided Israeli bodyguards as he was given the tour as a high-profile visitor to the Holy Land.

As for "additional security at the Utah Valley University event," this was likely a reference to the local sheriff's department and campus police and not to a foreign Israeli security team.

Replies: @muh muh

Yes, I figured it was a voice of the ZOG establishment that was speaking on behalf of the tribe.

Replies: @24th Alabama

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It’s better to let the FBI and government provide a full narrative of what happened and let them present their evidence. If there are still clear holes in it, then it will fall apart of its own accord.
 

just like Butler, PA, as I was just writing about. Now that the FBI has had time to conduct their investigation, we all know exactly what happened.

Or 9/11 and so many other crimes, if we would simply stop being impatient, the FBI will eventually figure out what happened, and how, and let us all know, but in their on good time. An investigation doesn't happen over night, people! These devoted experts need time to make sure they cross the t's and dot the I's. Better to be late, than to get it wrong.

I remember someone being impatient to know what the motive was, for the Los Vegas shooting, I told him just wait, and the FBI will let us all know, in their good time.

Just like Epstein, or so many other heinous crimes, if we just get out of the way of the FBI, and give them time to investigate, we can rest in our beds at night, knowing the very best of the best, are watching over us, and keeping us safe, and always, always getting the bad guys.

https://www.the-sun.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/2022/08/NINTCHDBPICT000382368002.jpg?w=940

please just look at that flag behind this man. Fidelity, bravery, and integrity.

Most of all, integrity!

Replies: @muh muh, @KenH

I think caution is best here too, which is why I appreciate your article and Unz publishing it.

There is clearly a motive, but some of these Antifa types are truly crazy. Two of them showed up to Nick Fuentes door in the past year, and one of them had a gun and a cross bow...turned out the guy was being chased in a manhunt because he was suspected for a triple murder.

It's better to let the FBI and government provide a full narrative of what happened and let them present their evidence. If there are still clear holes in it, then it will fall apart of its own accord.

Replies: @Rurik, @John Johnson

I think caution is best here too, which is why I appreciate your article and Unz publishing it.

There is clearly a motive, but some of these Antifa types are truly crazy. Two of them showed up to Nick Fuentes door in the past year, and one of them had a gun and a cross bow...turned out the guy was being chased in a manhunt because he was suspected for a triple murder.

It's better to let the FBI and government provide a full narrative of what happened and let them present their evidence. If there are still clear holes in it, then it will fall apart of its own accord.

Replies: @Rurik, @John Johnson

How do you know the security team were Israelis?
 

Replies: @Ambrose Kane

You’re making the same mistake that people made in the aftermath of the Trump shooting in Butler, thinking the shooter was aiming for the neck / ear.
Obviously in both cases, they missed, except the Kirk killer got lucky with a kill shot in the neck, and the Butler shooter missed completely.
 

Meg-sie, you've posted some excellent comments earlier on in this thread.
So don't undo the good work by posting nonsense like this.
ie: claiming there was a genuine assassin aiming at Donald Chump in Butler PA last year.

I've posted this video before, but evidently you were not paying attention (you need only watch the few minutes from 14:00-20:30 and 45:20-46:40):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rq2QFvWFUC0

Summary: Those few minutes I've specified above demonstrate that the MK Ultra controlled kid called Crooks FIRED NO BULLETS at the Orange Clown.
(More than likely the gun he was carrying had no live rounds in it - assuming it even was a real gun).

Meanwhile, those hidden snipers positioned in another building, had a clear line of sight to the MAGAts in the crowd that were fired upon (injuring several and killing one).
Bullets fired at the MAGAts was no accident. (ie: these were not bullets intended for Donald Chump that went astray). These hired-by-ZOG professionals were tasked with the job of injuring/killing those attending the rally.

You see, that was a MAJOR ELEMENT of the theatre production.
For added realism there had to be LIVE AMMUNITION and collateral damage.
That way the Orange Clown could raise his fist later on and ACT BRAVELY/DEFIANTLY IN THE FACE OF ENEMY FIRE, so the gullible dupe MAGAts could marvel at what a gutsy leader they had.

The real snipers, even if they had wanted to, COULD NOT shoot at the Orang-U-tan.
Because an IMPEDIMENT blocked their line of sight to the stage where Donald Chump was situated on.
 

Anyone who thinks otherwise has just been too lazy to look into the matter in any depth - not that the whole thing didn't reek of theatre from the get-go.

Replies: @Rurik, @Kingsmeg

Thanks for the reminder about TWA 800, where the evidence isn’t conclusive, yet the inference to the best explanation is clearly that it was downed by a missile. In this case of Charlie Kirk’s murder, the explanation may involve the conjunction of a ready-to-go patsy narrative with the actual hit. He was shot with an almost impossibly precise shot in the throat, suggesting it was the ritual silencing of someone who’s talking too much. Getting away with a professional hit may may also be an occult “revelation of the method,”—in other words, grinning mockery of those who suspect it wasn’t done by an amateur and are helpless to do anything about it.

Differing explanations, reasonably argued, obviously contend at this point because there is incomplete information. This cues trolls to pop out of the woodwork, characterizing reasonable hypotheses as conspiracy theories, jumping to conclusions, etc., with such accusations, they hope, precluding additional information from providing increasing confirmation of an hypothesis implicating the US and Israel.

At this time, it is entirely reasonable to point to past causes of such events as the cause of this event. If one thing characterizes the United States and Israeli governments, it’s lying, not to mention their history of false narratives and false flags. The lone-nut patsy narrative goes back to LHO and is now known to have been a total lie. Some believe it’s been used so often that it’s become the virtual m.o. of political assassinations and those mass shootings creating public sentiment against the Second Amendment.

Israel, with the complicity of the US government, specifically the CIA and Secret Service, assassinated the Kennedys. Israel tried to sink tha Liberty with all hands on board after strafing sailors trying to launch life boats. Israel stole plutonium, while the team of Milchan and Netanyahu stole our nuclear triggers. Israel did 9/11. The Aurora and Las Vegas shootings look like false flags, etc. so it is not unreasonable to believe the United States government and Israel were behind the murder of Charlie Kirk. Not surprisingly, means, motive, and qui bono are mysteriously ruled out by the trolls when Israel is involved, as in the Oct 7 raid and possibly this event as well.

Replies: @Eustace Tilley (not)

"Kirk’s security is obviously involved (just like the Secret Service in JFK’s case): how could they not secure the roofs, or see that someone was there? Kirk apparently thought he had excellent security, because he had entrusted it to Israelis" - Oh, so Kirk's own security team played an 'obvious' and knowing role in his assassination, eh? How do you know the security team were Israelis? And how do you know they didn't secure (visual or physical sweep) the nearby rooftops prior to the assassination? The truth is, we don't know at this point. Kirk's security force was a limited one. It didn't have the kind of large personnel and security presence with rooftop counter snipers that a prominent dignitary would have.

Moreover, I suspect that there was a greater concern that an assassination attempt would occur from the immediate area, possibly from a shooter in the crowd rather than one approximately 250 yards away.

Because things are not so neatly packaged and because questions arise or something peculiar happens, well-meaning people jump to strange and highly improbable conclusions instead of allowing all the information to come in before attempting a reasonable or rational explanation. This is why I tried to explain (albeit briefly) how homicide investigations are not always so easy, cut-and-dry, and how human errors and mistakes often make matters worse and lead to false assumptions.

Such broad and sweeping assumptions on your part and other commenters here are what muddy up the proverbial waters. They assume so much and then pile on even more assumptions. Before long, an incredible and convoluted web has been weaved. Much of it is merely confirmation bias. One guy on this site even suggested that Kirk's assassination was CGi!

Replies: @Rurik, @Olivier1973, @Dutch Abraham, @Laurent Guyénot

"Your enemies would brand you an anti-semite simply for telling the truth about Israel’s genocide or its control of American government. Why would you allow them to set the standard for discourse about Charlie Kirk’s assassination?" - It's not a matter of allowing our enemies to "set the standard for discourse about Charlie's Kirk's assassination." It's about being responsible with the Truth, avoiding confirmation bias, and thinking in a mature manner about everything we are being told. It's about the practical implications of what we believe and what we tell others regardless of what our enemies say or what rule book they play by.

There is an awakening of sorts in America where many more people are starting to see the evil that Israel does, including the stranglehold they have on our congress. I want it to continue. But it will be harder for our fellow Americans to believe us if we jump onto and spread every conspiratorial theory that comes out against Israel when it might not be Truth-based. I think we need to be careful in this lest we spoil our message with lies or half-truths and, thereby, discredit ourselves.

I don't care what Jews say about me, and I'm not particularly concerned about reaching them. But I am concerned that the average person will reject what we have to say about Jewish supremacy in the West because we haven't been discerning or careful in our research before blaming Israel or Jews for something they may not have done.

Again, some of the theories going around about Charlie Kirk's death and who may have done it are, in my opinion, crackpot theories. Others who have argued as to why Israel was behind it are much more reasonable. I remain open to this possibility so long as all the dots are connected and there is corroborating evidence supporting it. However, there are tremendous holes in much of it and the pieces supposedly tying them all together at this point are disjointed and weak. Once we have all the information in, we will be in a better position to reach a more definitive conclusion. But we haven't reached that point yet. So, as I've tried to make clear ad-infinitum, let's tread lightly and lower the confirmation bias if possible.

Replies: @muh muh, @24th Alabama, @Sticker, @ProteinShake

how can we exclude trump as a suspect? remember trump was bestest buds with epstein, if kirk was really questing trump’s broken promise to release the files, this would surely end kirk’s inquires into the matter. it also makes kirk a martyr, that can be used to crack down on both free speech and tranny “leftists”.

Excellent points, as always, @notsofast.

JMO, but I would not be surprised to find a link to the Zizians - a murderous tranny cult from (where else?) California. There is no distance between these mind control cults and the intelligence agencies. An article about the Zizians in the Fortean Times stated that there are most probably several cells of members at large, who are quite capable of further murders.

Replies: @Notsofast

probably has a 25% chance of merely tagging the paper. Putting a single shot thru the neck ? Not a chance.
 

Replies: @Truth Vigilante

I suppose your screen name is appropriate. "Not so fast" would be a good description of your mental acuity. And I don't care is Mr Kane and Mr. Rockaboatus are indeed the same person. He is based in any case.

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Mr Rocky Boat writes:

I think it’s more likely that Jews would have done their best to marginalize Charlie and cut off as much funding for his organization as possible.
Jews would have simply found another articulate Goy gullible enough to do their bidding.
 

1) Slavishly shilling for the Apartheid Israeli state
2) Making all manner of excuses as to why America should side with the depraved Zionists in relation to the Gaza mass slaughter
3) Someone who the Talmudists had invested much time and energy into propelling on the national stage (not to mention countless scores of millions of dollars in funding).

Simply put, Malignant International Jewry were preparing Charlie Kirk for a greater destiny.
ie: they were grooming him to be Donald J Chump 2.0.
In other words he was to become a future servile shabbos goy sock puppet President like the Orange baboon, perhaps running in 2028 or 2032.

That's why, after all that they'd done for him, to see Kirk turn his back and instead go with his conscience, this could not be tolerated.
(If you renege on a pledge made with Malevolent Jewry, you end up paying the ultimate price*).
From that moment on CK was a marked man.

(*UR readers will recall a certain Presidential candidate who schmoozed with the Jews in the lead up to the 1960 election. He promised all manner of things to them in return for funding/their input in fixing the election in his favour).

Well, not only did JFK not deliver on his promises to ZOG, he went and did the exact opposite.
For example, he (and brother Bobby as Attorney General) came down hard on the REAL Mafia in America.
Which of course was the Meyer Lansky Crime Syndicate.

Once you commit yourself to 'Dancing with the Devil', if you don't honour your pledge, you're dead meat.
That's why the likes of Dr Ron Paul, Tucker Carlson, Max Blumenthal, Candace Owens and the rest, have not been targeted for assassination by the Vampire Squid - nor are they likely to be anytime soon).

Because they never committed themselves as 'partners' of Malignant Jewry.
They never were shilling on their behalf and acting as bought-and-paid-for apologists for the crimes of ZOG**.

(**Yes, in his early days when Tucker Carlson was in the MSM before he was red-pilled, he was on board with many aspects of the neocon agenda and agreed that the 2003 Iraq invasion - for example - was necessary).

But he said what he did because he sincerely believed what he'd been told.
Because he'd drunk the Kool Aid and fallen for the Gubmint propaganda without critical analysis - not because he was paid by Jews to take that side.

Replies: @24th Alabama, @Wokechoke

Tucker Goes Officially Insane: Blames Jews For The Murder Of Charlie Kirk at his Memorial
Controversy Erupts Over Tucker Carlson's Anti-Jewish Remarks at Charlie Kirk Memorial

Yair Kleinbaum
SEP 21, 2025

A memorial service for Charlie Kirk, the 31-year-old founder of Turning Point USA, held at State Farm Stadium in Glendale, Arizona, drew tens of thousands of attendees, but also ignited controversy due to comments made by Tucker Carlson during his eulogy…

[Tucker] described a scene "2000 years ago in Jerusalem," where Jesus faced opposition from those in power for speaking the truth, leading to a discussion about the consequences of such opposition. Carlson's specific wording, "I can picture the scene… a bunch of guys eating hummus, thinking, ‘What do we do about this guy telling the truth about us?’" has been interpreted by some as a veiled reference to Jewish individuals, given the historical context of Jesus' crucifixion and the involvement of Jewish leaders at the time.

The remark, coupled with Carlson's laughter during the delivery, has led to accusations of anti-Semitism…

https://www.jfeed.com/news/tucker-carlson-kirk-memorial-controversy

 

C’mon, if Tucker wanted to hint at modern Israel killing Jesus, he would’ve referred to Borscht-eating plotters.

Replies: @Wokechoke

Your overall comment displays that you have a very good grasp of the situation.
That said, we part ways when it comes to what you said below:

All these things contradict the official narrative yet are mostly being ignored.
Police tunnel vision often leads to miscarriages of justice, either a guilty party walking free, e.g. OJ Simpson
 

Jason Simpson … was a deeply troubled and violent young man who did not have an alibi for the night and carried knives on his person.
Jason was diagnosed with IED – ‘Intermittent Explosive Disorder’, a syndrome characterised by extreme outbursts of anger and rage over often trivial matters.

Jason was on probation after being arrested for attacking a former employer with a knife.
Two months earlier he violently assaulted Jennifer Green, his then girlfriend.
On another occasion, he attacked a former girlfriend and sliced off her hair with a knife.

Jason’s personal diaries …. reveal a man tormented by obsessive feelings of violence.
One entry reads — ”It’s the year of the knife for me. I cut away my problems with a knife.
Anybody touches my friends — I will kill them.
I’m also tired of being Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde.”
Jason had been prescribed antipsychotic drugs for his IED but had stopped taking them shortly before the murders.

Jason also had a motive; on the night of the murders Nicole was reportedly due to bring the family to Jason’s restaurant where he was going to cook for them, an event he was looking forward to.
However, Nicole cancelled the engagement at the last minute which greatly upset him.
As the sufferer of a mental illness that made him prone to exaggerate minor incidents.

 

OJ’s lack of injuries:

The murder of Ron Goldman followed a prolonged struggle with his attacker.
Goldman, a strongly built man more than 20 years OJ’s junior was a karate black belt and there was evidence he put up a fierce defence of his life.

Goldman’s body and fists were covered in dozens of bruises, scratches and cuts, even his shoes had cuts on them, indicating he had kicked his murderer. His battered knuckles showed he had repeatedly made contact not just with the assailant’s flesh but his bones.

Forensic pathologist Michael Baden estimated Goldman may have struggled with his attacker for up to 15 minutes. Yet when OJ’s body was examined and photographed by the police the next day, aside from a small cut on his finger, he was entirely free of any mark or injury.
How could OJ have brutally murdered two people with a knife and been in such a prolonged violent struggle with Goldman and not have sustained any injuries?

Blood and skin found under Nicole’s fingernails, as well as blood splatter on her back, matched neither her, Ron Goldman or OJ Simpson and are unidentified to this day.
Jason was never interviewed by the police and never gave a DNA sample, was the blood his?

All of the forensic pathologists who testified at the trial agreed the murderer must have been covered in blood after such a violent attack, yet only a small drop of it was found in the white Bronco Simpson was alleged to have fled the scene in.

The accused was then said to have rushed back to his home to clean up, yet the white carpet that covered the ground floor of Simpson’s Brentwood house was inexplicably free of any trace of blood.
 

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I was simply replying to an earlier commenter who inquired as to why no checks were done of the rooftop because if they did, they might have been able to prevent the assassination. I was only pointing out that they may have checked them at some point prior to the exact time of the assassination and perhaps found nothing. Or maybe they didn't check them at all? I really don't know, and probably the only people who do are those involved with Kirk's security team.

Kirk's security was not as sophisticated and numerous as people might imagine, and I doubt they had counter snipers present who were positioned on other rooftops. I also understand that there were only a small handful of campus police officers present in the general area. Although Kirk's security team may have considered the possibility of a sniper, for whatever reason they didn't appear to prepare for something like that. I tend to think that they were more worried about someone shooting Kirk from close range, possibly from the immediate crowd that surrounded him.

As I understand it, the local authorities did not provide any counter snipers for Kirk's security and neither did the immediate campus police of that institution.

Now, does any of this prove or strongly suggest that Kirk's security team was somehow involved in his assassination? I don't think so at all. Some people do, but I'm not willing to follow such notions until I have concrete reasons to do so.

Replies: @Truth Vigilante

To clarify, that was the inner mind of Bibi speaking
to Charlie Kirk.

Replies: @Truth Vigilante

Take him out. You are suggesting that they did it as a terroristic act, as a warning to others. For that to work they would have to let the world know it was they who did it, then other conservatives would know not to cross Israel, or they would be killed.
 

People need to be able to deny it. If Israel had openly killed Charlie Kirk, we and the rest of the world would already have already severed ties with her and put her under a trade embargo.

Assuming Israel did it, and assuming they were able to recruit or manipulate a killer like that kid, then the hit as it happened would have been the way to go.

In fact, the way it's playing out, Israel benefits from the uncertainty. Even if most are like me -- nahh, Israel didn't do it -- if you're the next right-wing demagogue, there's that footnote there. Play it safe: talk about something else besides the evil that is Israel.

Replies: @Wokechoke

I watched the video on YouTube ten minutes after it aired. Please excuse the graphics about to follow from here.

With a hunting and event shooting background, there was no doubt in my mind that Charlie would unfortunately have died some time between the shot and the ground. In fact, it seemed to happen within a microsecond of the shot striking him.

I understand from forensic opinions from some experts, that the projectile was turned in its path by a bulletproof vest, and ultimately was deflected up into the braincase, where it would have instantly destroyed all the tissue there. So awful, but really quick.

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Erika Kirk in her speech at the tribute to Charlie was very clear that she was told that Charlie never knew what hit him and was in heaven before he hit the ground. Many other of Charlie's friends have said the same thing. In my opinion, if this was a real event and not some sort of strange psychological operation, if Charlie was still alive he would have been tended to by a team of paramedics on the stage where he lay and transported appropriately on a gurney and placed in an ambulance and rushed to the hospital, not hog carried and thrown in the back of an suv. This was a large event that would have a large security staff on hand of local police officers and a medical team and ambulance on site in case they were needed. Normally, local police and authorities are fairly competent. Unfortunately, for some reason, when big events happen, they totally lose their minds and forget all their training. (or maybe they were ordered to stand down).

Replies: @BelieveTheFBI, @Thomasina

"Your enemies would brand you an anti-semite simply for telling the truth about Israel’s genocide or its control of American government. Why would you allow them to set the standard for discourse about Charlie Kirk’s assassination?" - It's not a matter of allowing our enemies to "set the standard for discourse about Charlie's Kirk's assassination." It's about being responsible with the Truth, avoiding confirmation bias, and thinking in a mature manner about everything we are being told. It's about the practical implications of what we believe and what we tell others regardless of what our enemies say or what rule book they play by.

There is an awakening of sorts in America where many more people are starting to see the evil that Israel does, including the stranglehold they have on our congress. I want it to continue. But it will be harder for our fellow Americans to believe us if we jump onto and spread every conspiratorial theory that comes out against Israel when it might not be Truth-based. I think we need to be careful in this lest we spoil our message with lies or half-truths and, thereby, discredit ourselves.

I don't care what Jews say about me, and I'm not particularly concerned about reaching them. But I am concerned that the average person will reject what we have to say about Jewish supremacy in the West because we haven't been discerning or careful in our research before blaming Israel or Jews for something they may not have done.

Again, some of the theories going around about Charlie Kirk's death and who may have done it are, in my opinion, crackpot theories. Others who have argued as to why Israel was behind it are much more reasonable. I remain open to this possibility so long as all the dots are connected and there is corroborating evidence supporting it. However, there are tremendous holes in much of it and the pieces supposedly tying them all together at this point are disjointed and weak. Once we have all the information in, we will be in a better position to reach a more definitive conclusion. But we haven't reached that point yet. So, as I've tried to make clear ad-infinitum, let's tread lightly and lower the confirmation bias if possible.

Replies: @muh muh, @24th Alabama, @Sticker, @ProteinShake

"I don’t see how “texts” presented by a prosecutor can be admitted as evidence unless the defendant admits they are his" - Demonstrating that texts written on one's cellphone is not as difficult as you may think. They can reasonably prove who wrote the incriminating text messages even if the defendant denied they were his. The courts do not require absolute proof, but proof beyond a reasonable doubt. Please consider the following ways they might have discovered as to who wrote the texts:

(1) If Tyler was in possession of the cellphone at the time of his apprehension, this could be used to show that he more than likely wrote such incriminating texts. After all, it's his cellphone, and most people don't allow strangers or others to do their texting for them. (2) If Tyler's lover (Lance Twiggs) testifies that the cellphone text exchanges between he and Tyler were the exact ones between them on the day of Kirk's death, it would serve to confirm that Tyler wrote them. (3) A forensic comparison would also be conducted to see if the kind of words and syntax used in the text messages from Tyler to his lover are the same or similar as those in other text messages. People tend to abbreviate and employ the same kinds of words, expressions, and emojis in their texts. (4) Lance Twiggs' cellphone would also be carefully examined (via court subpoena) to see if it comports with the texts that Tyler sent him to see if they are the same.

This is not too difficult a process, and text messages in a court of law have been used on occasion to incriminate defendants along with other forms of evidence.

Replies: @peterAUS

Erika Kirk in her speech at the tribute to Charlie was very clear that she was told that Charlie never knew what hit him and was in heaven before he hit the ground. Many other of Charlie's friends have said the same thing. In my opinion, if this was a real event and not some sort of strange psychological operation, if Charlie was still alive he would have been tended to by a team of paramedics on the stage where he lay and transported appropriately on a gurney and placed in an ambulance and rushed to the hospital, not hog carried and thrown in the back of an suv. This was a large event that would have a large security staff on hand of local police officers and a medical team and ambulance on site in case they were needed. Normally, local police and authorities are fairly competent. Unfortunately, for some reason, when big events happen, they totally lose their minds and forget all their training. (or maybe they were ordered to stand down).

Replies: @BelieveTheFBI, @Thomasina

Replies: @24th Alabama

Yes, the texts could be fake. That’s always a possibility. But so far, I haven’t found anything that conclusively demonstrates them to be so.
 

Replies: @Ambrose Kane

"Your enemies would brand you an anti-semite simply for telling the truth about Israel’s genocide or its control of American government. Why would you allow them to set the standard for discourse about Charlie Kirk’s assassination?" - It's not a matter of allowing our enemies to "set the standard for discourse about Charlie's Kirk's assassination." It's about being responsible with the Truth, avoiding confirmation bias, and thinking in a mature manner about everything we are being told. It's about the practical implications of what we believe and what we tell others regardless of what our enemies say or what rule book they play by.

There is an awakening of sorts in America where many more people are starting to see the evil that Israel does, including the stranglehold they have on our congress. I want it to continue. But it will be harder for our fellow Americans to believe us if we jump onto and spread every conspiratorial theory that comes out against Israel when it might not be Truth-based. I think we need to be careful in this lest we spoil our message with lies or half-truths and, thereby, discredit ourselves.

I don't care what Jews say about me, and I'm not particularly concerned about reaching them. But I am concerned that the average person will reject what we have to say about Jewish supremacy in the West because we haven't been discerning or careful in our research before blaming Israel or Jews for something they may not have done.

Again, some of the theories going around about Charlie Kirk's death and who may have done it are, in my opinion, crackpot theories. Others who have argued as to why Israel was behind it are much more reasonable. I remain open to this possibility so long as all the dots are connected and there is corroborating evidence supporting it. However, there are tremendous holes in much of it and the pieces supposedly tying them all together at this point are disjointed and weak. Once we have all the information in, we will be in a better position to reach a more definitive conclusion. But we haven't reached that point yet. So, as I've tried to make clear ad-infinitum, let's tread lightly and lower the confirmation bias if possible.

Replies: @muh muh, @24th Alabama, @Sticker, @ProteinShake