Glue traps are among the cruelest ways to eliminate rodents. They're inhumane and can be dangerous to humans and their pets.
Pleased to introduce a bill today to place a national ban on glue traps. Learn more: https://t.co/UtfDpcL9DO
— Rep. Ted Lieu (@RepTedLieu) January 17, 2024
Rep. Ted Lieu (D-Beverly Hills) has introduced a bill in Congress to nationally ban glue traps to catch rats. The U.S. government should force all 330 million people in the country to use whatever expensive way to catch rats is fashionable in Beverly Hills.
What could go wrong?
Seriously, this is an example of a general problem: under our federalist system, pest control practices are obviously something that should be decided at the local or state level. But, the most energetic politicians, such as Ted Lieu (who replaced the formidable Henry Waxman when he retired), rise up to Washington and tend to try to nationalize everything.
I guess Ted Lieu’s constituents must lack access to the media or something, so they have no means to influence others Americans to try out their local rodent control customs other than brute federal force. How can, say, poor Gwyneth Paltrow or Jessica Alba ever get their views on what stuff to buy across to the public without a national law mandating their tastes?
Politicians in both parties are prone to this tendency to try to impose their prejudices on the whole country. For example, having a lot of Good Guys with a Gun walking around packing heat makes sense in, say, the rattlesnake-ridden southwestern backcountry where police response times are long. But lots of inner cities have more Bad Guys with a Gun than Good Guys with a Gun, so letting big city police hassle dirtbags carrying illegal handguns can be an effective way to reduce murders.
The federalist idea is that politicians who go to Washington D.C. from wildly different parts of the country should refrain from trying to impose their local prejudices on the whole country.
But … it tends to be a sure-fire vote winner back home for Congressmen to try to impose local values, such as Beverly Hills views on humane rodent control, on the rest of the country.
During some periods of American history, Southern politicians provided strong support for a federalist non-aggression principle in domestic legislation, such as in the early Republic up to about the middle of the 19th Century, back when Southern politicians were embarrassed by slavery and tried to keep the South’s peculiar institution on the back burner in Washington . (But then during the 1850s King Cotton bubble, Southerners became wildly enthusiastic about slavery as the Wave of the Future and started imposing obnoxious mandates on the North, such as the Fugitive Slave Act, with unfortunate consequences.) And then during Jim Crow, Southern politicians didn’t try too hard to impose their weird social system on the North, as long as the rest of the country left them alone.
But from the time of the triumph of Civil Rights onward, no region has anything they are all that embarrassed by anymore. In fact, everybody in modern America tends to assume that their way of doing things is morally superior to the evil glue-trapping ways they do things elsewhere.
That would work okay if we had a stronger tendency to celebrate our federalism and constantly remind each other of why federalism in a continent-sized country is wise and prudent. But we don’t.
But, unlike in 1861, we don’t even have any seemingly practical way to divide the country up on lines of latitude or longitude. Practically every state now has blue cities and red rural areas that are economically dependent upon each other.
So, we are stuck with each other.
By the way, speaking of the cruelty of glue traps, Rep. Lieu’s district includes Mother Nature’s Own Glue Trap, the La Brea Tar Pits. His more sensitive constituents must be triggered every day traveling down Wilshire Boulevard past the sad sight of Daddy Mammoth sinking into the tar while Mommy and Baby Mammoth bellow pitifully on the shore:
Rep. Lieu should have the La Brea Tar Pits paved over so his voters don’t have to process this Ice Age trauma.
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I think you mean that Lieu replaced Henry Waxman. Howard Berman was in a different district, and since they worked together so much, I can see where the Howard Waxman mash-up came from.
We are not a serious country. Example #9,953,129
The first time someone told me about glue traps - how he watch the trapped mouse struggle in vain to escape, breaking its own bones in agony, I was appalled. I thought then and think now that glue traps should be banned.
No animal, not even a rat, lamprey or roach, deserves to be tortured to death. Glue traps are torture.
Same with drowning animals in a bucket of anti-freeze or putting a beast trapped in a Hava-hart in the river. Shoot the poor bugger.Replies: @Old Prude, @Elli, @Muggles
Good paragraph Steve.
The destruction of federalism has come with minoritarianism, which inherently is about forcing the majority to stop doing what they want and having the bossy super-state go out and impose minority protection–and minority supremacy–on the obnoxious gentile peasants.
And attitudinally a lot of “we are smarter”, “we are know better”–from the people who always think they are smarter and know better. The whole “Experts say …” line in a NYT piece captures the attitude and tenor of our era perfectly. This has ossified as the attitude and ideology of our age.
This has not only nuked American federalism, but is essentially a repudiation of the core idea of the American Revolution–that people have the natural right to govern themselves.
Saying it was a “coup” against the Constitution or a counter-revolution is not wrong.
I personally don't think the Jeffersonian Republic survived Jefferson. His falling for some Frog Carney Barker selling off swampland materially altered the role of DC.
Unless we're talking about small city-states - and even there it's debatable - people don't govern themselves. There is always a small elite class that rules, and this is as true now as it was at the founding of this country. This has been understood at least since Pareto; by now it's a commonplace.On the contrary, what we see today is the logical working out of the fundamental principles of the Revolution. It's true enough that the founders would be horrified by modern America, but then, no one can understand the full implications of his worldview.
Perhaps there is room for compromise? We round up all the glue traps, and reorient glue production to make one continuous 50ft glue strip along the border.
Whaddya say? The Great Compromise of 2024?
What led him to change his opinion?
We have exactly the same problem in Australia (also a federal democracy): national-level politicians seek to control areas of policy that are obviously better dealt with by state or local authorities.
The powers of the US Congress to legislate are laid out in section 8 of article I of the Constitution. Needless to say, rat-traps are not mentioned there. Presumably Representative Lieu will shoehorn his pet issue into the Commerce clause, which seems to be used for federalising everything else that gets Congressmen all hot and bothered.
Since the police in major districts have proven to be politically (and operationally) unreliable, the only smart policy is the laissez-faire Constitutional Carry option.
Now in Lieu of that, if you don’t like guns, don’t carry. Easy peasy. It don’t matter if urine Glute Raps, Nevada, the “inner city” or the shminner schitty: It’s a freak ‘untry, Steve.
Since the police in major districts have proven to be politically (and operationally) unreliable, the only smart policy is the laissez-faire Constitutional Carry option.
Now in Lieu of that, if you personally don’t like guns, don’t carry. Easy peasy. It don’t matter if urine Glute Raps, Nevada, the “inner city” or the shminner schitty: It’s a freak ‘untry, Steve.
It’s just professional courtesy
“Glue traps are among the cruelest ways to eliminate rodents.”
What on Earth is “cruel” about them?
“They’re inhumane and can be dangerous to humans and their pets.”
As long as you don’t use them on humans, they can’t be inhumane. I’m unaware of them being dangerous to people or pets, and suspect that Ted Lieu is just blowing smoke, and sucking up to animal rights fanatics, or is one himself.
I had great success using a glue trap to catch a mouse, circa 1988, which I then held in the toilet bowl, until the mouse drowned.
It was in the shape of a large box for wooden matches. But it wasn’t enough.
First, I tried a little spring trap, using peanut butter as bait, which I placed on the ground, between the stove and the sink. But the mouse would sense the trap (presumably with its whiskers), and avoid it. So I placed a big jug of Gallo wine, which I used for cooking poiposses, at the end of the runway. Still, no good. Finally, I bought the matchbox, with the glue on the bottom half.
When I heard and spotted the mouse behind the stove at night, I jumped and probably shouted at it, which incited it to turn ‘round and run. Like most thieves, it was in such a frenzy to escape that it could not make sense of all the sensory data it was getting in time, and in trying to fly through the big matchbox, got caught, splayed out on the glue, on its belly.
To Ted Lieu, the only “cruelty” to the glue traps, is that they work. He wants to be inhumane and cruel to humans, and aid and abet rodents, as if they were black or brown criminals.
That beings said, Humane Societies did not traditionally concern themselves with the treatment of vermin.
We have a sort of "deal" going with domestic animals and pets - they provide us with benefits - milk, eggs, companionship, and in return we treat them as kindly as reasonably possible. No one would suggest or tolerate euthanizing dogs by attaching them to sticky traps.
But humans are "at war" with vermin. We have not made any deal with them and it's no holds barred.Replies: @anonymous, @Hapalong Cassidy
Both my last two cats could play with the mouse they caught and crippled for hours before it died.
That's messed up, bro. Wifey caught a mouse circa 2005 using a glue trap and (of course) it was my job to euthanize squeaky little mouse. I put mouse and trap in a paper sack and crushed them under the front wheel of my Corolla. Instant death. I have hand-caught a few mice since then and always place them in a baggie of some sort and crush them underwheel. Drowning is brutal, man.Replies: @Ralph L, @Renard
The rat glue trap issue is interesting because there are issues with some of the other methods. For example, poison is hazardous to wildlife which eat the dying rats. As well as pets. And other kinds of traps can be dangerous as well.
You are right to emphasize federalism. One other request. If we have to have one state dictating behavior for the rest of the country can it please not be California?
Ultimately this just results in noncompliance. One of the special things about Anglo countries is that people actually follow the rules. If you start passing retarded, nitpicky legislation you chip away at this general culture of compliance.
What cop is going to enforce rat trap compliance, anyway?
You go to a lot of European, Asian and South American countries (no need to mention Africa), and the facts on the ground are totally at odds with the “plan,” whatever it happens to be ATM. The US was not one of those countries, but it’s getting there.
Really at this point we have no choice. Compliance is counterproductive and stupid in many cases. I mean, who thinks we should listen to Ted Lieu besides Ted Lieu?
Rat killing is a highly intermittent need and so not amenable to a black market/smuggling solution. Scofflaws would have to make their own.Replies: @Bill P
Although it wouldn’t be feasible logistically, it would be an interesting system to have re-election eligibility decided nationally. It would work like this: Beverly Hills gets to elect their Representative, but after 2 years, the whole nation gets to vote on whether he can run again or the citizens of Beverly Hills have to elect someone else instead. This would prevent the people of Beverly Hills with their weird local idiosyncrasies from having outsize influence in Congress by having a Representative with high seniority.
There is a simpler issue here than the balance of local vs. national government in the US. That is a complicated issue and in some sense, figuring that out is the most important purpose of a democratic, republican government.
The most important question to me is: among all the concerns of Rep. Lieu’s constituents, where does the method of killing pests rank? This just shows me how superfluous our democratic institutions have become. It’s all just pantomime.
Southerners became wildly enthusiastic about slavery as the Wave of the Future and started imposing obnoxious mandates on the North, such as the Fugitive Slave Act
Millard Fillmore earned a place on the Worst Presidents list in large part because he signed the widely hated Fugitive Slave Act. In reality, he was strongly opposed to slavery, but considered himself duty-bound to sign the Act as Congress had painstakingly worked it out in the hopes of keeping the country from splitting apart.
Good luck! Nothing lasts forever.
The destruction of federalism has come with minoritarianism, which inherently is about forcing the majority to stop doing what they want and having the bossy super-state go out and impose minority protection--and minority supremacy--on the obnoxious gentile peasants.
And attitudinally a lot of "we are smarter", "we are know better"--from the people who always think they are smarter and know better. The whole "Experts say ..." line in a NYT piece captures the attitude and tenor of our era perfectly. This has ossified as the attitude and ideology of our age.
This has not only nuked American federalism, but is essentially a repudiation of the core idea of the American Revolution--that people have the natural right to govern themselves.
Saying it was a "coup" against the Constitution or a counter-revolution is not wrong.Replies: @Anon, @Bill Jones, @Ian M.
What about the people demanding a national-level abortion ban?
Unlike rat traps, abortion is a serious issue. But the Supremes--after screwing up again and again with utter nonsense like Obergefell--did the right thing in Dobbs, nuking the abomination that was Roe, precisely because abortion is simply not a federal matter in our Constitution.
Conservatives ought to have taken that opportunity to show that they understand that
-- abortion pits various understandings of rights, values and religious/moral conceptions against each other
-- America is a deeply divided nation across a whole range of these issues
and
-- the most important thing for conservatives should be to actually conserve the opportunity for normal productive Americans to live normal productive traditional family lives
That means the federal priority is to
-- stop the immivasion and preserve America for Americans
-- stop the super-state bullying by minoritarians--push back the reach of the super-state--to allow normie Americans to form and govern themselves in their own normie communities.
Extending the reach of the super-state to do an obviously contentious--and IMO unconstitutional-- abortion ban, is the worst possible politics. We need a massive repeal of minoritarian federal glop and a "separationist" politics that says:
"We support normal people, normal families. Get out of our face. We're going to run our states, communities, schools, universities, police, etc. as we see fit. You stay out of them and stop immivading them ... and just go do your own weird rainbow nonsense in your communities."Replies: @Dutch Boy, @AndrewR
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*Not coincidentally, the likelihood of the enactment of which is nil. Don't all gasp at once.Replies: @Anon
Lieu is just upset because the glue traps are reducing the rat supply available to Chinese restaurants. How are they supposed to make chow mein without rat meat?
Seriously, I find glue traps to be worthless. I wouldn’t care if they were banned. Snap traps and poison bait are much better. PS bait traps with peanut butter, not cheese.
I warn you, Men of Unz! You will long for the days when it was the Joos who were oppressing you. Our new Asian Overlords will make your former Joo Overlords look like pussycats. Get ready for the struggle session! How good are you at staying in stress positions?
I have found them to be effective and easy to use.
Takes a rat to catch a rat don't it jack?
Yeah they don't work so well in tunnels, from what I hear.
To kill the rats, though, I have had two to three times the success with glue over spring. The rats in this area know the spring traps. They also catch on to the glue but still f up sometimes.
The best is when they panic in the glue and shit themselves to death in seconds. Much worse to have to pick it up and drown them in the toilet.
This lieu guy has most likely never had rats. Once you do, cruelty becomes a feature.
As for Jack D, it's nice to see him admitting, in his usual ham-fisted way (non kosher), that Joos are oppressing us. He's right! He's also right that the new Asian overlords will be worse, in some ways anyhow. But what he doesn't bring up is how the Jews are teaming up all over with the Asians, to knock down whitey. Look at the Biden administration: loads of Jews running the show, vast numbers of Indians at the second tier levels, implementing the Jew orders.
Only thing is, once they achieve enough political and economic force, the Asians will be happy to push the Jews out of the way. The Indians especially. The Chinese are too busy inter-marrying with Jews (Chinese have zero racial pride and will mate with anything).
My only hope is that the Asians are using woke as a way to power, and a way to suck up to the Jews that they need right now, but they don't really mean it. Same way Jews were all about the labor union movement until they gained economic power, and then went on to invent corporate raiding and outsourcing, crushing American labor forever. Jews never gave two dreidels about "working people," it was simply a path to power, much like Jewish organized crime (100x worse than Italian).
So once Asians get on top of the heap, they may revert to their more normal, fantastically racist attitudes and finally put the hammer down on blacks and ship out vast numbers of Hispanics. You know, to make room for millions of more Asians. Because that's how they roll.
The only reason America isn't 75% Jewish is there's just not enough of them to go around. America WILL be 75% Asian and Asian/White mix at some point.
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Sometimes you get a smart rat who has learned to spring wire-and-wood traps. So set the trap out, baited but not cocked, and refresh the thing for about four nights. On the fifth night, cock the trap. Alternatively, you can cock the trap but secure the snapper with copper wire for four nights. Sometimes you have to be a rat to kill a rat.
-Discard
Caviar in a Gucci bag will catch rodents quickly even Congresscritters.
You are right to emphasize federalism. One other request. If we have to have one state dictating behavior for the rest of the country can it please not be California?Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @kaganovitch, @anon, @Mike Tre, @Mark G.
Having problems with your catalytic converter?
Here in Oklahoma, had much better luck catching mice with glue traps.
Caught the wife once and myself twice. We managed to break free.
Much more success than with the 9mm Beretta. Mice are a tough target. Not as bad a fly though.
Maybe a M3 sub machine gun would improve my odds of hitting a mouse.
Whaddya say? The Great Compromise of 2024?Replies: @kaganovitch, @Dutch Boy
“Show me a 50 foot glue trap and I’ll show you a 51 sheet of wax paper”- Claudine Gay
You are right to emphasize federalism. One other request. If we have to have one state dictating behavior for the rest of the country can it please not be California?Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @kaganovitch, @anon, @Mike Tre, @Mark G.
As a Southern friend of mind used to say “Everyone is good for something, if only to set a bad example.”
"You can learn something from everyone, even if it's what not to do"
I thought this would be an article about David Cole.
Seriously, I find glue traps to be worthless. I wouldn't care if they were banned. Snap traps and poison bait are much better. PS bait traps with peanut butter, not cheese.I warn you, Men of Unz! You will long for the days when it was the Joos who were oppressing you. Our new Asian Overlords will make your former Joo Overlords look like pussycats. Get ready for the struggle session! How good are you at staying in stress positions?Replies: @Corn, @AnotherDad, @deep anonymous, @James B. Shearer, @Anon, @anon, @Mike Tre, @Twinkie, @MEH 0910, @Erik L, @PeterIke, @Twinkie, @Dry land farming, @Colin Wright, @Ed Case
My parents used glue boards when I was young. They caught my three year old sister more than they caught mice.
Right on the nose.
“Small Asian man concerned about the dangers of his getting stuck in a glue trap, introduces legislation to ban them” is the kick off to 2024 that I think we all needed.
still better than having britshit medittaranean size small brain ,shit pig skin and sub human curly hair and scary looking light eyes
Yeah, it sure was weird. Thank God the Northern politicians came up with the right solution for living with blacks. Nothing weird or peculiar at all about DEI.
Not a lawyer so disregard if you like, but I think the 14th Amendment and the Left’s language of rights has done much to diminish/kill federalism.
I think federalism is a good thing…. we are a large diverse nation. California is not Texas, Florida is not New York. I don’t think leftists can really conceive of federalism though. If abortion is a sacred right for a woman in Oregon, why wouldn’t it be a sacred right for a woman in Arkansas?
If a kid in New York should be free to “be themselves” and get top surgery, so should a kid in Florida.
I’m not saying the right is flawless on this. After Dobbs a lot of prolifers started popping off about a federal abortion ban rather than simply taking the W with Dobbs. I think the Left is the main obstacle though. I think their worldview and judicial philosophy can no longer really conceive of devolution or federalism.
But issues like abortion, 'transgender' issues, marriage, etc. are not like that, because they reflect underlying differences in fundamental ideology. For a nation to maintain itself, it cannot tolerate such fundamental differences, especially when such differences strike at the legitimizing principle of the state.
It is one thing for different states to handle abortion differently, which states do generally with respect to matters pertaining to criminal and civil law, but it is another for some states to declare that abortion is murder and for others to declare that a woman has a right to abortion, as this reflects fundamental differences in worldviews. Such a state of affairs is not stable. It would be as though some states were to adopt Communism and others Nazism. A nation comprised of such states would not last long.
I think that this might have more to do with the sheer difficulty of amending the US Constitution. If imposing a national anti-miscegenation law (a national miscegenation ban) was easier to do, such as in a scenario where amending the US Constitution would have been easier, it’s not out of the question that in the early 20th century Southern racists and segregationists, along with their Northern fellow-travelers, would have tried pushing something like this through in order to impose a uniform policy against miscegenation on the entire US. But thankfully, the US Constitution is so difficult to amend that Northern US states (other than Indiana, which still wanted its own anti-miscegenation law) were allowed not to have anti-miscegenation laws after 1887. Of course, this also necessitated having the US Supreme Court subsequently strike down anti-miscegenation laws in 1964 and 1967 because legalizing miscegenation through the US constitutional amendment process was too difficult back then and people were not willing to wait decades for Southern attitudes and sensibility to evolve and adapt on this question (or on the question of racially segregated schools beforehand, for that matter).
The growth of cotton was a function of the growth of the British textile industry, the creation of the cotton gin and the subsequent clearing, settlement and formation of states such as Alabama (statehood 1819) and Mississippi (statehood 1817). Indian removal was still going on in the 1830s and The bottomlands of the Mississippi Delta were still 90% undeveloped after the Civil War.
The fantasy image of the antebellum South is a time period covering in the main less time than Reagan’s inauguration to the present.I think you’re misunderstanding the attitudes of the antebellum Northern populations to slavery. There were certainly those opposed to slavery but not for the reasons you think. The hostility to slavery in many northern states and especially border states was that it allowed for the existence of freed slaves (Blacks) who, once free, tended to migrate North much to the consternation of the local Whites. The freed slaves were perceived as troublesome and were unwanted in the states to which they migrated. It was a topic that occupied much energy in the Northern state legislatures. At least one state, Illinois, went so far as to require slave owners selling slaves in advance of the end of slavery in that state to sell all of their slaves if they were to sell any. The purpose of this law was to coerce the Illinois slaveowners into selling their slaves to Southern buyers so that Illinois would not have the future burden of controlling and supporting this population. That a group of activists in the North opposed returning slaves to their Southern masters does not tell you anything about the general attitudes of the populace of these states who were generally hostile to the presence of former slaves in their midst.Jim Crow was a post-bellum Southern adaptation of Northern antebellum Black Codes.Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @deep anonymous
Seriously, I find glue traps to be worthless. I wouldn't care if they were banned. Snap traps and poison bait are much better. PS bait traps with peanut butter, not cheese.I warn you, Men of Unz! You will long for the days when it was the Joos who were oppressing you. Our new Asian Overlords will make your former Joo Overlords look like pussycats. Get ready for the struggle session! How good are you at staying in stress positions?Replies: @Corn, @AnotherDad, @deep anonymous, @James B. Shearer, @Anon, @anon, @Mike Tre, @Twinkie, @MEH 0910, @Erik L, @PeterIke, @Twinkie, @Dry land farming, @Colin Wright, @Ed Case
You gotta admit, having a Chinese dude lecture Americans on animal cruelty … that’s chutzpah.
Kaganovitch wins the day. Best laugh I’ve had this week. Thanks man.
TPTB are even looking out for the welfare of hoodrats in Beverly Hills!
What cop is going to enforce rat trap compliance, anyway?
You go to a lot of European, Asian and South American countries (no need to mention Africa), and the facts on the ground are totally at odds with the "plan," whatever it happens to be ATM. The US was not one of those countries, but it's getting there.
Really at this point we have no choice. Compliance is counterproductive and stupid in many cases. I mean, who thinks we should listen to Ted Lieu besides Ted Lieu?Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @anonymous, @Sam Hildebrand, @Erik L, @Rob Lee
Jimmy Carter’s 55 mph speed limit did much to make Americans decide to ignore stupid laws, and have contempt for the pols who passed them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Maximum_Speed_Law
Americans disobeyed the 18th amendment with contempt, leading to the empowerment of organized crime nationwide.
Steve Sailer:
“Practically every state now has blue cities and red rural areas that are economically dependent upon each other.”
This is not true at all. This is a myth perpetrated by you. There *are* Blue states and Red states. It’s true that big cities tend to be Blue even in red states such as Austin in Texas. It’s also true that people in more ruiral areas of “Blue” states are not *as* progressive as that of the big cities in those states.
But it’s still a fact that there are states that are liberal at the *state* level, and that there are states that are “Red” at the *state* level. For instance, Connecticut is pretty solidly “Blue” while Alabama and Arizona are pretty solidly “Red”.
The reason why you don’t want to admit to this is because it would disprove your “Affordable Family Formation” theory, and you can’t have that.
Admitting to this would also mean admitting that there are serious differences between the Yankee/Northern/Germanic/Scandinavian whites that constitude the majority of whites in “Blue” states from the more Celtic/Atlantic whites that make up the southern part of the U.S.
It’s absolutely surreal that you can look at the white people in states like Connecticut and Massachussetts and pretend like they are just like Texans. It’s ridiculous.
Lone Ranger: “Well, Tonto, it looks like we’re surrounded.”
Tonto: “What do you mean by we, white man?”
As for Red country folk depending upon Blue city folk, that’s a fallacy. The Blue city folk are 100% dependent upon the good graces of the Red country folk.
The beauty of the American system is that most of the 400 million guns in the USA are owned by the Red country & Red suburban folks, but I wouldn’t be against putting 50 foot wide glue strips around America’s major conurbations, like the whole of BosWash to start.
They are morons. Truly “stupid party” people.
Unlike rat traps, abortion is a serious issue. But the Supremes–after screwing up again and again with utter nonsense like Obergefell–did the right thing in Dobbs, nuking the abomination that was Roe, precisely because abortion is simply not a federal matter in our Constitution.
Conservatives ought to have taken that opportunity to show that they understand that
— abortion pits various understandings of rights, values and religious/moral conceptions against each other
— America is a deeply divided nation across a whole range of these issues
and
— the most important thing for conservatives should be to actually conserve the opportunity for normal productive Americans to live normal productive traditional family lives
That means the federal priority is to
— stop the immivasion and preserve America for Americans
— stop the super-state bullying by minoritarians–push back the reach of the super-state–to allow normie Americans to form and govern themselves in their own normie communities.
Extending the reach of the super-state to do an obviously contentious–and IMO unconstitutional– abortion ban, is the worst possible politics. We need a massive repeal of minoritarian federal glop and a “separationist” politics that says:
“We support normal people, normal families. Get out of our face. We’re going to run our states, communities, schools, universities, police, etc. as we see fit. You stay out of them and stop immivading them … and just go do your own weird rainbow nonsense in your communities.”
Seriously, I find glue traps to be worthless. I wouldn't care if they were banned. Snap traps and poison bait are much better. PS bait traps with peanut butter, not cheese.I warn you, Men of Unz! You will long for the days when it was the Joos who were oppressing you. Our new Asian Overlords will make your former Joo Overlords look like pussycats. Get ready for the struggle session! How good are you at staying in stress positions?Replies: @Corn, @AnotherDad, @deep anonymous, @James B. Shearer, @Anon, @anon, @Mike Tre, @Twinkie, @MEH 0910, @Erik L, @PeterIke, @Twinkie, @Dry land farming, @Colin Wright, @Ed Case
I tried all those traps and had the best luck with glue traps. But I was dealing with mice, not rats, maybe because rats are bigger and stronger glue traps don’t work as well on them? Not sure. But I think we all can agree it’s ridiculous to make a federal regulatory issue out of this.
Well, it’s a good thing I put them along the edges in those rooms mice like to run along edges), because I caught a few mice for the first time in years (more than a decade in fact). My pest control guy and I walked the perimeter of the house and discovered a 1/4 inch hole next to a basement window. We plugged that and had no more mice.
Glue traps are great, because they are generally more hygienic (the mess is contained in the trap). Mice and mice feces carry nasty diseases. You don’t want to handle either. Plus, they don’t have to be baited and can be left for mice and insects. They can also trap more than one mice at a time (snap traps are useless once they snap).
I don’t like to be needlessly cruel to animals, but these are nasty rodents that carry diseases, so I will use whatever methods are the most effective in catching and disposing of them neatly. So Ted Lieu can bugger off.Replies: @jsm
What cop is going to enforce rat trap compliance, anyway?
You go to a lot of European, Asian and South American countries (no need to mention Africa), and the facts on the ground are totally at odds with the "plan," whatever it happens to be ATM. The US was not one of those countries, but it's getting there.
Really at this point we have no choice. Compliance is counterproductive and stupid in many cases. I mean, who thinks we should listen to Ted Lieu besides Ted Lieu?Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @anonymous, @Sam Hildebrand, @Erik L, @Rob Lee
This would be a great civics project for the putative sophisticates at Beverly Hills High. “Ted, come talk to us. Isn’t it true that the only real objection is that the glue works?”
Globalism means that people in the cities feel less and less connection to the people in the rural areas surrounding them. Where does our food, lumber, and coal come from? It could be from the next county over, or it could be from half a world away. This fraying of any sense of unity is another serious threat to national survival.
Whaddya say? The Great Compromise of 2024?Replies: @kaganovitch, @Dutch Boy
Glue trap the politicians (a lower class than rodents anyway!).
A truly great post.
An interesting example of educated liberals being the stupidest mother@^$#ers in the room and the first to die when the power gets iffy. Glue traps are a tray with glue in it. Will you ban mucilage? Will you ban flatness?
Unlike rat traps, abortion is a serious issue. But the Supremes--after screwing up again and again with utter nonsense like Obergefell--did the right thing in Dobbs, nuking the abomination that was Roe, precisely because abortion is simply not a federal matter in our Constitution.
Conservatives ought to have taken that opportunity to show that they understand that
-- abortion pits various understandings of rights, values and religious/moral conceptions against each other
-- America is a deeply divided nation across a whole range of these issues
and
-- the most important thing for conservatives should be to actually conserve the opportunity for normal productive Americans to live normal productive traditional family lives
That means the federal priority is to
-- stop the immivasion and preserve America for Americans
-- stop the super-state bullying by minoritarians--push back the reach of the super-state--to allow normie Americans to form and govern themselves in their own normie communities.
Extending the reach of the super-state to do an obviously contentious--and IMO unconstitutional-- abortion ban, is the worst possible politics. We need a massive repeal of minoritarian federal glop and a "separationist" politics that says:
"We support normal people, normal families. Get out of our face. We're going to run our states, communities, schools, universities, police, etc. as we see fit. You stay out of them and stop immivading them ... and just go do your own weird rainbow nonsense in your communities."Replies: @Dutch Boy, @AndrewR
It might have worked in 1973 but 1973 America no longer exists. In 2024, we can’t even keep people from having their children sexually mutilated.
Seriously, I find glue traps to be worthless. I wouldn't care if they were banned. Snap traps and poison bait are much better. PS bait traps with peanut butter, not cheese.I warn you, Men of Unz! You will long for the days when it was the Joos who were oppressing you. Our new Asian Overlords will make your former Joo Overlords look like pussycats. Get ready for the struggle session! How good are you at staying in stress positions?Replies: @Corn, @AnotherDad, @deep anonymous, @James B. Shearer, @Anon, @anon, @Mike Tre, @Twinkie, @MEH 0910, @Erik L, @PeterIke, @Twinkie, @Dry land farming, @Colin Wright, @Ed Case
“Seriously, I find glue traps to be worthless. …”
I have found them to be effective and easy to use.
For Steve,
At the grocery store today, there is a rack that sells the USA Today Newspaper right inside the front door.
Today’s headline?
“2023: Police have killed most people since 2013.”
The pic under the headline was of protestors with placards saying, “Arrest Killer Cops”.
You think they won’t color revolution us again?
Trump won a primary, then this……….
Just from last time: Keep track of antifa nests and 'punk rockers'. Don't let suspicious pallets of bricks be delivered to here and there in your city. Don't let suspicious busses or public transportation deliver antifa, blacks, etc, into your midst and whisk them away again. Keep track of journalists (who are likely to be antifa too). Keep track of 'Lawyers Guild' roaming lawyers. Make sure the police don't start dancing no macarena again.
But there’s no real good way to say that you’re against certain policies like gun control except for when they applies to blacks. But that’s the truth. Blacks thrive with a firm hand. White people thrive when they are free from interference. How is it even possible to have one set of laws for two groups that are so different?
According to Victor Davis Hanson, at the time of the Civil War, seven percent (7%) of US households owned slaves. “wildly enthusiastic” vastly overstates the situation. (I would reserve such language for high-percentage predilections, say, how women feel about shoes.) When a negative practice has the above 7% prevalence, it is indefensible and insane to harvest 750,000 lives to end it; rather, you find an economic solution. Slavery was rapidly on its way out in the western world anyway. Lincoln is rated as our best president, but based on the above, one could argue he was the worst president, Biden notwithstanding.
It is certainly not insane for a nation's leader to expend men to maintain his nation, the sacred duty of rulers everywhere.Replies: @Chris Mallory
They can take my glue trap when they pry it from my cold, dead hands.
Though might need to use acetone because it’s gonna be really stuck. And then only outlaws will have glue traps. Or something.
What on Earth is “cruel” about them?
“They’re inhumane and can be dangerous to humans and their pets.”
As long as you don’t use them on humans, they can’t be inhumane. I’m unaware of them being dangerous to people or pets, and suspect that Ted Lieu is just blowing smoke, and sucking up to animal rights fanatics, or is one himself.
I had great success using a glue trap to catch a mouse, circa 1988, which I then held in the toilet bowl, until the mouse drowned.
It was in the shape of a large box for wooden matches. But it wasn’t enough.
First, I tried a little spring trap, using peanut butter as bait, which I placed on the ground, between the stove and the sink. But the mouse would sense the trap (presumably with its whiskers), and avoid it. So I placed a big jug of Gallo wine, which I used for cooking poiposses, at the end of the runway. Still, no good. Finally, I bought the matchbox, with the glue on the bottom half.
When I heard and spotted the mouse behind the stove at night, I jumped and probably shouted at it, which incited it to turn ‘round and run. Like most thieves, it was in such a frenzy to escape that it could not make sense of all the sensory data it was getting in time, and in trying to fly through the big matchbox, got caught, splayed out on the glue, on its belly.
To Ted Lieu, the only “cruelty” to the glue traps, is that they work. He wants to be inhumane and cruel to humans, and aid and abet rodents, as if they were black or brown criminals.Replies: @Jack D, @Bill Jones, @Its not me, @Je Suis Omar Mateen, @James J. O'Meara
This is just not true. The “Humane Society” is concerned with cruelty to animals. Humane refers to how humans treat others – when humans act cruelly they are being inhuman[e].
That beings said, Humane Societies did not traditionally concern themselves with the treatment of vermin.
We have a sort of “deal” going with domestic animals and pets – they provide us with benefits – milk, eggs, companionship, and in return we treat them as kindly as reasonably possible. No one would suggest or tolerate euthanizing dogs by attaching them to sticky traps.
But humans are “at war” with vermin. We have not made any deal with them and it’s no holds barred.
Glue traps are cruel, but many people use them either as a last resort or because they’re less expensive per unaliving event than than any other equally effective design – and I’ve tried them all, including (and yes, it’s hard to believe, but I wouldn’t kid you folks about this sort of thing) a dernier-cri system that both senses and terminates the client with an IF C02 laser. If people stick to their budget, how much will the incidence of hantavirus and other rodent-borne pathogens go up without the availability of x type of trap?
According to many testing laboratories, the least agonizing method of executing a doomed individual is freezing. Please be alert and do not let the tykes get the results mixed up with a saved half of an Amy’s Burrito.
Bonum commune communitatis. Right?
That was an act of Congress signed by Nixon in Jan. ’74 during the first Oil Crisis. Several states had already lowered theirs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Maximum_Speed_Law
Too many Democrats were getting snagged by these evil traps.
"Practically every state now has blue cities and red rural areas that are economically dependent upon each other."
This is not true at all. This is a myth perpetrated by you. There *are* Blue states and Red states. It's true that big cities tend to be Blue even in red states such as Austin in Texas. It's also true that people in more ruiral areas of "Blue" states are not *as* progressive as that of the big cities in those states.
But it's still a fact that there are states that are liberal at the *state* level, and that there are states that are "Red" at the *state* level. For instance, Connecticut is pretty solidly "Blue" while Alabama and Arizona are pretty solidly "Red".
The reason why you don't want to admit to this is because it would disprove your "Affordable Family Formation" theory, and you can't have that.
Admitting to this would also mean admitting that there are serious differences between the Yankee/Northern/Germanic/Scandinavian whites that constitude the majority of whites in "Blue" states from the more Celtic/Atlantic whites that make up the southern part of the U.S.
It's absolutely surreal that you can look at the white people in states like Connecticut and Massachussetts and pretend like they are just like Texans. It's ridiculous.Replies: @kaganovitch, @Peter Akuleyev, @The Alarmist
Steve wrote “Practically every state now has blue cities and red rural areas that are economically dependent upon each other.” which means there are some exceptions like Mass. and CT. The map of county level results for 2020 bears him out
Weird flex by you, Steve. As if Northern Whites didn’t live in an even more segregated society than Southern Whites did. Ever hear of redlining? Forced school desegregation? Segregation in pro sports? White Flight? Heck, even recent African and Caribbean immigrants often steer clear of American Blacks. It’s not so “weird” if everybody is doing it.
As if your idols, the Jews, aren’t segregationists par excellence. If anything is “weird,” it is male infant genital mutilation, 19th century dress, prohibitions on pork and seafood, little hats, working on Sundays, and a passionate attachment to a foreign apartheid state.
It’s really a shame, this hatred you have of Southern Whites and, as you insist on labeling them, “WASPS”. (You won’t be heard using pejorative terms for Jews.) They founded the country you live in and have been its core demographic. Maybe it wasn’t a great idea to try to gin up your own version of a coalition the fringes—with them as the target of hate or derision. Not if you wanted the country to survive.
And now it is all coming to a sad end.
But spare a thought for White Anglo-Norman Catholics especially if they are English Residents.Replies: @Anonymous
It was hilarious to see the jew crawling out of his rat hole and scurrying away.
The concerning part is the use of these tunnels for jewish blood sacrifices involving children...
The pre-WW2 German movie "Der Ewige Jude" shows essentially the same thing--jews scurrying like rats.
https://twitter.com/USTechWorkers/status/1747675186793766923?t=RoJAwDB5O6ikY2Po_fI31Q&s=19Replies: @Anonymous
Do you have a theory?
You are right to emphasize federalism. One other request. If we have to have one state dictating behavior for the rest of the country can it please not be California?Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @kaganovitch, @anon, @Mike Tre, @Mark G.
Better that it be California than “Israel”.
You wanna-be Nazis are truly crazed.
Seriously, I find glue traps to be worthless. I wouldn't care if they were banned. Snap traps and poison bait are much better. PS bait traps with peanut butter, not cheese.I warn you, Men of Unz! You will long for the days when it was the Joos who were oppressing you. Our new Asian Overlords will make your former Joo Overlords look like pussycats. Get ready for the struggle session! How good are you at staying in stress positions?Replies: @Corn, @AnotherDad, @deep anonymous, @James B. Shearer, @Anon, @anon, @Mike Tre, @Twinkie, @MEH 0910, @Erik L, @PeterIke, @Twinkie, @Dry land farming, @Colin Wright, @Ed Case
We have the Joos to thank for letting so many in.
That beings said, Humane Societies did not traditionally concern themselves with the treatment of vermin.
We have a sort of "deal" going with domestic animals and pets - they provide us with benefits - milk, eggs, companionship, and in return we treat them as kindly as reasonably possible. No one would suggest or tolerate euthanizing dogs by attaching them to sticky traps.
But humans are "at war" with vermin. We have not made any deal with them and it's no holds barred.Replies: @anonymous, @Hapalong Cassidy
This would probably be a fairly accurate description of conditions under “slavery” in the United States.
“Ever hear of redlining?”
No, please tell me all about it.
Well Done!
Try Jack Russell Terriers ma’am.
9mm rimfire shotgun. Excellent for rodents and reduced property damage.
They make an A26 model that's supposedly big enough for squirrels, but isn't sold in America. I once got a small (and apparently slow) squirrel with a regular spring-type rat trap, but the normal squirrels just shrug those off.
The realization of a Ted Lieu-size version is left as an exercise for the reader.
https://youtu.be/N4T_O6KNAPwReplies: @Curle
Perhaps this used to be true when cities actually produced stuff (and coincidentally, weren’t so ‘blue’), but nowadays the dependence is pretty much a one-way street: the (red) country gives the (blue) cities food, water, energy, etc,. while the cities give the country … ummm …. tax collectors, DIE agents, convicts, urban waste, adverse propaganda, second home owners driving up local property prices; i.e., nothing the rural red areas actually need and plenty that harms them.
The manufactured goods the cities used to provide now generally come from East Asia through ports that operate largely independently of the cities they are near. Port of Long Beach doesn’t need Los Angeles. Port of South Louisiana doesn’t need New Orleans. Port of New York doesn’t need New York City. And so on. Farm equipment? The US’s leading farm equipment maker (and exporter) is John Deere, located in … solid red Moline Illinois.
Today’s big blue cities are parasite operations: Democrat patronage pools and vote banks. Not only does Red America not need them, they are an albatross around America’s neck. It is an ongoing psy-op (another dubious blue city export) that anyone needs these people.
https://usafacts.org/articles/which-states-rely-the-most-on-federal-aid/Percentage of Total Revenue from Federal Government
Vermont 35.8%
West Virginia 34.1%
Alaska 33.9%
Louisiana 33.4%
South Dakota 33.0%
Mississippi 32.4%
Kentucky 32.2%
Montana 32.1%
New Mexico 32.1%
Wyoming 31.9%
Arizona 30.1%
Rhode Island 29.8%
Delaware 29.2%
Maine 28.3%
Arkansas 28.2%
District of Columbia 27.7%
Idaho 26.9%
Alabama 26.6%
Indiana 26.4%
North Dakota 25.7%
Missouri 25.5%
New Hampshire 25.2%
Michigan 25.1%
Oklahoma 24.2%
Pennsylvania 24.1%
Oregon 23.2%
South Carolina 22.7%
Tennessee 22.3%
Maryland 22.1%
North Carolina 22.0%
Massachusetts 21.4%
New York 21.1%
Ohio 21.0%
Texas 20.5%
Florida 20.0%
Connecticut 20.0%
Iowa 19.9%
Minnesota 19.7%
Hawaii 19.2%
Virginia 18.9%
Nebraska 18.8%
Georgia 18.8%
Nevada 18.4%
Kansas 18.3%
Illinois 18.1%
California 17.8%
New Jersey 16.8%
Wisconsin 16.1%
Utah 16.1%
Washington 16.0%
Colorado 15.9%Replies: @Gandydancer, @Almost Missouri, @Bill Jones
At the grocery store today, there is a rack that sells the USA Today Newspaper right inside the front door.
Today's headline?
"2023: Police have killed most people since 2013."
The pic under the headline was of protestors with placards saying, "Arrest Killer Cops".
You think they won't color revolution us again?
Trump won a primary, then this..........Replies: @Anon
Well, don’t get caught flat footed in a few months when the fun begins again.
Just from last time: Keep track of antifa nests and ‘punk rockers’. Don’t let suspicious pallets of bricks be delivered to here and there in your city. Don’t let suspicious busses or public transportation deliver antifa, blacks, etc, into your midst and whisk them away again. Keep track of journalists (who are likely to be antifa too). Keep track of ‘Lawyers Guild’ roaming lawyers. Make sure the police don’t start dancing no macarena again.
Contrary to what most expect, the name is pronounced “Lie-U”.
Already illegal in England:
https://www.hsi.org/news-resources/inhumane-rodent-glue-traps-to-be-banned-in-england/
I didn’t know “WASP” was considered a pejorative as such.
But spare a thought for White Anglo-Norman Catholics especially if they are English Residents.
The destruction of federalism has come with minoritarianism, which inherently is about forcing the majority to stop doing what they want and having the bossy super-state go out and impose minority protection--and minority supremacy--on the obnoxious gentile peasants.
And attitudinally a lot of "we are smarter", "we are know better"--from the people who always think they are smarter and know better. The whole "Experts say ..." line in a NYT piece captures the attitude and tenor of our era perfectly. This has ossified as the attitude and ideology of our age.
This has not only nuked American federalism, but is essentially a repudiation of the core idea of the American Revolution--that people have the natural right to govern themselves.
Saying it was a "coup" against the Constitution or a counter-revolution is not wrong.Replies: @Anon, @Bill Jones, @Ian M.
Blame the Lincoln Asshole. That was the end of the Jefferson Republic and the turning of the Sovereign States into mere administration arms of Distrito Federal.
I personally don’t think the Jeffersonian Republic survived Jefferson. His falling for some Frog Carney Barker selling off swampland materially altered the role of DC.
What on Earth is “cruel” about them?
“They’re inhumane and can be dangerous to humans and their pets.”
As long as you don’t use them on humans, they can’t be inhumane. I’m unaware of them being dangerous to people or pets, and suspect that Ted Lieu is just blowing smoke, and sucking up to animal rights fanatics, or is one himself.
I had great success using a glue trap to catch a mouse, circa 1988, which I then held in the toilet bowl, until the mouse drowned.
It was in the shape of a large box for wooden matches. But it wasn’t enough.
First, I tried a little spring trap, using peanut butter as bait, which I placed on the ground, between the stove and the sink. But the mouse would sense the trap (presumably with its whiskers), and avoid it. So I placed a big jug of Gallo wine, which I used for cooking poiposses, at the end of the runway. Still, no good. Finally, I bought the matchbox, with the glue on the bottom half.
When I heard and spotted the mouse behind the stove at night, I jumped and probably shouted at it, which incited it to turn ‘round and run. Like most thieves, it was in such a frenzy to escape that it could not make sense of all the sensory data it was getting in time, and in trying to fly through the big matchbox, got caught, splayed out on the glue, on its belly.
To Ted Lieu, the only “cruelty” to the glue traps, is that they work. He wants to be inhumane and cruel to humans, and aid and abet rodents, as if they were black or brown criminals.Replies: @Jack D, @Bill Jones, @Its not me, @Je Suis Omar Mateen, @James J. O'Meara
I assume Lieu will be coming after cats next, in fact, why not cats first?
Both my last two cats could play with the mouse they caught and crippled for hours before it died.
Maybe that dad mammoth is just joking around? That pond ain’t deep enough for him to drown. Well anyway their kind disappeared at somepoint , and the kid probably froze somewhere in Siperia and DEID alone.
https://twitter.com/RadioGenoa/status/1747911196815073790
Exactly. Joe may be a senile idiot, but it took our “best” president to get over half a million Americans killed for nothing. The idea that he “had to do it to save the Union” is jingoistic nonsense fit for airheads and public school teachers — but I repeat myself.
Not necessarily.
https://usafacts.org/articles/which-states-rely-the-most-on-federal-aid/
Percentage of Total Revenue from Federal Government
Vermont 35.8%
West Virginia 34.1%
Alaska 33.9%
Louisiana 33.4%
South Dakota 33.0%
Mississippi 32.4%
Kentucky 32.2%
Montana 32.1%
New Mexico 32.1%
Wyoming 31.9%
Arizona 30.1%
Rhode Island 29.8%
Delaware 29.2%
Maine 28.3%
Arkansas 28.2%
District of Columbia 27.7%
Idaho 26.9%
Alabama 26.6%
Indiana 26.4%
North Dakota 25.7%
Missouri 25.5%
New Hampshire 25.2%
Michigan 25.1%
Oklahoma 24.2%
Pennsylvania 24.1%
Oregon 23.2%
South Carolina 22.7%
Tennessee 22.3%
Maryland 22.1%
North Carolina 22.0%
Massachusetts 21.4%
New York 21.1%
Ohio 21.0%
Texas 20.5%
Florida 20.0%
Connecticut 20.0%
Iowa 19.9%
Minnesota 19.7%
Hawaii 19.2%
Virginia 18.9%
Nebraska 18.8%
Georgia 18.8%
Nevada 18.4%
Kansas 18.3%
Illinois 18.1%
California 17.8%
New Jersey 16.8%
Wisconsin 16.1%
Utah 16.1%
Washington 16.0%
Colorado 15.9%
"Practically every state now has blue cities and red rural areas that are economically dependent upon each other."
This is not true at all. This is a myth perpetrated by you. There *are* Blue states and Red states. It's true that big cities tend to be Blue even in red states such as Austin in Texas. It's also true that people in more ruiral areas of "Blue" states are not *as* progressive as that of the big cities in those states.
But it's still a fact that there are states that are liberal at the *state* level, and that there are states that are "Red" at the *state* level. For instance, Connecticut is pretty solidly "Blue" while Alabama and Arizona are pretty solidly "Red".
The reason why you don't want to admit to this is because it would disprove your "Affordable Family Formation" theory, and you can't have that.
Admitting to this would also mean admitting that there are serious differences between the Yankee/Northern/Germanic/Scandinavian whites that constitude the majority of whites in "Blue" states from the more Celtic/Atlantic whites that make up the southern part of the U.S.
It's absolutely surreal that you can look at the white people in states like Connecticut and Massachussetts and pretend like they are just like Texans. It's ridiculous.Replies: @kaganovitch, @Peter Akuleyev, @The Alarmist
This is more than simply imposing a local prejudice. Congressmen have to show their constituents they are “doing something”. The easiest way to “do something” is to find some issue which a small number of people feel fanatically about, but most people don’t really care enough about to muster an energetic objection. Trapping rats with glue is a perfect example of that. You can whip up some concerned activists to pester Congress about this issue until they give in so the activists will leave them alone. Then Lieu can say he got a bill passed. It may not seem like a big deal individually, but over time these stupid single issue remedies really gum up the system with senseless regulation.
Are you referring to the plan to ban glue traps, or the stuff below the lede?
The first time someone told me about glue traps – how he watch the trapped mouse struggle in vain to escape, breaking its own bones in agony, I was appalled. I thought then and think now that glue traps should be banned.
No animal, not even a rat, lamprey or roach, deserves to be tortured to death. Glue traps are torture.
Same with drowning animals in a bucket of anti-freeze or putting a beast trapped in a Hava-hart in the river. Shoot the poor bugger.
Having this debate now with someone I work for. The mice eating poison baits and coming back for more. Either no poison in bait or immune mice. Try new poison. Official policy: Personnel and personal squeamishness outweighs lengthy death by poison, dead mice rotting in walls, so no traps.
My policy: place concealed traps. Snap traps always being pilfered, live traps more effective in my experience, but mice can die overnight.
Will resort to glue traps if problem gets worse, though I agree it is agonizing death.
Yes, a few might gnaw limbs, but most simply starve. Which happens often in nature.
Not pleasant to contemplate but it's reality.
Poisoning isn't fun either but is widely effective on rats and roaches.
Rats will gnaw everything in sight (they have to) and like roaches transmit diseases (even with rats, fatal ones).
So you can either live like an Indian Jain, and kill nothing. People will avoid you of course. Or accept that some spaces need to be reserved for certain lifeforms and exclude others.
You can't humanely kill mosquitoes, roaches or fire ants. Or most large vermin.
At best we can sustain zones of habitability where vermin are not often found.
These vermin deaths are not done for pleasure.
You can bet if Beverley Hills had rat infestations like much of NYC, our good representative here would be singing a different tune.
As with killing vermin, it is easy to play pacifist when you don't live next door to Russia...
Seriously, I find glue traps to be worthless. I wouldn't care if they were banned. Snap traps and poison bait are much better. PS bait traps with peanut butter, not cheese.I warn you, Men of Unz! You will long for the days when it was the Joos who were oppressing you. Our new Asian Overlords will make your former Joo Overlords look like pussycats. Get ready for the struggle session! How good are you at staying in stress positions?Replies: @Corn, @AnotherDad, @deep anonymous, @James B. Shearer, @Anon, @anon, @Mike Tre, @Twinkie, @MEH 0910, @Erik L, @PeterIke, @Twinkie, @Dry land farming, @Colin Wright, @Ed Case
oh gawd. Genocide Jack has to chime in with his big brain knowledge of rodent eradication.
Takes a rat to catch a rat don’t it jack?
The first time someone told me about glue traps - how he watch the trapped mouse struggle in vain to escape, breaking its own bones in agony, I was appalled. I thought then and think now that glue traps should be banned.
No animal, not even a rat, lamprey or roach, deserves to be tortured to death. Glue traps are torture.
Same with drowning animals in a bucket of anti-freeze or putting a beast trapped in a Hava-hart in the river. Shoot the poor bugger.Replies: @Old Prude, @Elli, @Muggles
I will note, too, the person who told me about the pathetic death of the mouse, had just used a glue trap for the first time and was equally horrified about the cruelty.
The morality of a boomercon or suburban security mom.
Glue traps are the safest, most effective way of dealing with rodents baring a good terrier. Of course this useless creature would be against them.
Federalism is not the answer if your population is full of idiots or checked-out dimwits. You just get 50 varieties of stupid.
Lieu, like most American centrists, has more sympathy for criminals and rats than he does for Palestinian children.
This is an issue the GOP should actively oppose, which means they will not.
Herein lies the problem. Exactly which enumerated ‘foregoing power’ is Congress pursuing with glue trap legislation?
“The Congress shall have Power… To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.”
The notion of ‘implied powers’, not from the constitution but invented in McCulloch vs Maryland needs to be severely circumscribed. Were I to become president (don’t hold your breath) any potential nominee to the Supreme Court would need to swear fealty to constraining and boxing in the scope of implied powers whenever the opportunity arose.
A reminder from the Anti-federalists.
“While each of the Anti-Federalists had their own view for what a new constitution for the United States should look like, they generally agreed on a few things. First, they believed that the new Constitution consolidated too much power in the hands of Congress, at the expense of states. Second, they believed that the unitary president eerily resembled a monarch and that that resemblance would eventually produce courts of intrigue in the nation’s capital. Third, they believed that the liberties of the people were best protected when power resided in state governments, as opposed to a federal one. Lastly, they believed that without a Bill of Rights, the federal government would become tyrannous.”
“These arguments created a powerful current against adopting the Constitution in each of the states. In state legislatures across the country, opponents of the Constitution railed against the extensive powers it granted the federal government and its detraction from the republican governments of antiquity. In Virginia, Patrick Henry, author of the famous “Give Me Liberty or Give Me Death” speech, called the proposed constitution, “A revolution as radical as that which separated us from Great Britain.” In the Essays of Brutus, an anonymous author worried that without any limitations, the proposed Constitution would make “the state governments… dependent on the will of the general government for their existence.”
“The Anti-Federalists mobilized against the Constitution in state legislatures across the country.”
“Anti-Federalists in Massachusetts, Virginia and New York, three crucial states, made ratification of the Constitution contingent on a Bill of Rights. In Massachusetts, arguments between the Federalists and Anti-Federalists erupted in a physical brawl between Elbridge Gerry and Francis Dana. Sensing that Anti-Federalist sentiment would sink ratification efforts, James Madison reluctantly agreed to draft a list of rights that the new federal government could not encroach.”
“The Bill of Rights is a list of 10 constitutional amendments that secure the basic rights and privileges of American citizens. They were fashioned after the English Bill of Rights and George Mason’s Virginia Declaration of Rights. They include the right to free speech, the right to a speedy trial, the right to due process under the law, and protections against cruel and unusual punishments. To accommodate Anti-Federalist concerns of excessive federal power, the Bill of Rights also reserves any power that is not given to the federal government to the states and to the people.”
Doesn't the treatment of the Jan 6th protesters contravene at least two of these rights?Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Curle, @G. Poulin
“The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.[6]”
The above internet commentary says “given” which is incorrect. Delegation was not historically a permanent act. It is the voluntary assignment of duties from a superior to an inferior that has origins in the law of agency. The people, assembled in state conventions, delegated limited powers through ratification of the constitution. Under the understanding of the constitution at the time of ratification the delegation was voluntary as to perpetuation. See contemporaneous writings of William and Mary law professor at the time of ratification St. George Tucker.
“The Congress shall have Power... To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.”
The notion of ‘implied powers’, not from the constitution but invented in McCulloch vs Maryland needs to be severely circumscribed. Were I to become president (don’t hold your breath) any potential nominee to the Supreme Court would need to swear fealty to constraining and boxing in the scope of implied powers whenever the opportunity arose.
A reminder from the Anti-federalists.
“While each of the Anti-Federalists had their own view for what a new constitution for the United States should look like, they generally agreed on a few things. First, they believed that the new Constitution consolidated too much power in the hands of Congress, at the expense of states. Second, they believed that the unitary president eerily resembled a monarch and that that resemblance would eventually produce courts of intrigue in the nation’s capital. Third, they believed that the liberties of the people were best protected when power resided in state governments, as opposed to a federal one. Lastly, they believed that without a Bill of Rights, the federal government would become tyrannous.”
“These arguments created a powerful current against adopting the Constitution in each of the states. In state legislatures across the country, opponents of the Constitution railed against the extensive powers it granted the federal government and its detraction from the republican governments of antiquity. In Virginia, Patrick Henry, author of the famous “Give Me Liberty or Give Me Death” speech, called the proposed constitution, “A revolution as radical as that which separated us from Great Britain.” In the Essays of Brutus, an anonymous author worried that without any limitations, the proposed Constitution would make “the state governments… dependent on the will of the general government for their existence.”
“The Anti-Federalists mobilized against the Constitution in state legislatures across the country.”
“Anti-Federalists in Massachusetts, Virginia and New York, three crucial states, made ratification of the Constitution contingent on a Bill of Rights. In Massachusetts, arguments between the Federalists and Anti-Federalists erupted in a physical brawl between Elbridge Gerry and Francis Dana. Sensing that Anti-Federalist sentiment would sink ratification efforts, James Madison reluctantly agreed to draft a list of rights that the new federal government could not encroach.”
“The Bill of Rights is a list of 10 constitutional amendments that secure the basic rights and privileges of American citizens. They were fashioned after the English Bill of Rights and George Mason’s Virginia Declaration of Rights. They include the right to free speech, the right to a speedy trial, the right to due process under the law, and protections against cruel and unusual punishments. To accommodate Anti-Federalist concerns of excessive federal power, the Bill of Rights also reserves any power that is not given to the federal government to the states and to the people.”Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Curle
“the right to a speedy trial, the right to due process under the law, and protections against cruel and unusual punishments”
Doesn’t the treatment of the Jan 6th protesters contravene at least two of these rights?
Dude has a point: It can be distressing to listen for hours to the squeeking of a glue-trapped rodent if you can’t muster the compassion to put it out of its misery. Better that a quick death by dead-fall or spring-trap be its end. But hey, what’s Lieu’s thinking on poisons?
Millard Fillmore earned a place on the Worst Presidents list in large part because he signed the widely hated Fugitive Slave Act. In reality, he was strongly opposed to slavery, but considered himself duty-bound to sign the Act as Congress had painstakingly worked it out in the hopes of keeping the country from splitting apart.Replies: @Gandydancer, @Louis Renault
The “obnoxious mandate” in question seems to me to accord with Article IV, Section 2, Clause 3, of the US Constitution, which reads as follows:
“shall be delivered up” sounds like pretty clear language to me, but apparently Sailor thinks that requiring that States obey the U.S. Constitution is “obnoxious”. Good to know.
Curious if Ted would approve of this humane method:
"Practically every state now has blue cities and red rural areas that are economically dependent upon each other."
This is not true at all. This is a myth perpetrated by you. There *are* Blue states and Red states. It's true that big cities tend to be Blue even in red states such as Austin in Texas. It's also true that people in more ruiral areas of "Blue" states are not *as* progressive as that of the big cities in those states.
But it's still a fact that there are states that are liberal at the *state* level, and that there are states that are "Red" at the *state* level. For instance, Connecticut is pretty solidly "Blue" while Alabama and Arizona are pretty solidly "Red".
The reason why you don't want to admit to this is because it would disprove your "Affordable Family Formation" theory, and you can't have that.
Admitting to this would also mean admitting that there are serious differences between the Yankee/Northern/Germanic/Scandinavian whites that constitude the majority of whites in "Blue" states from the more Celtic/Atlantic whites that make up the southern part of the U.S.
It's absolutely surreal that you can look at the white people in states like Connecticut and Massachussetts and pretend like they are just like Texans. It's ridiculous.Replies: @kaganovitch, @Peter Akuleyev, @The Alarmist
I’m reminded of the old joke, where the Lone Ranger and Tonto find themselves surrounded by hostile indigenes:
Lone Ranger: “Well, Tonto, it looks like we’re surrounded.”
Tonto: “What do you mean by we, white man?”
As for Red country folk depending upon Blue city folk, that’s a fallacy. The Blue city folk are 100% dependent upon the good graces of the Red country folk.
The beauty of the American system is that most of the 400 million guns in the USA are owned by the Red country & Red suburban folks, but I wouldn’t be against putting 50 foot wide glue strips around America’s major conurbations, like the whole of BosWash to start.
“Politicians in both parties are prone to this tendency to try to impose their prejudices on the whole country. For example, having a lot of Good Guys with a Gun walking around packing heat makes sense in, say, the rattlesnake-ridden southwestern backcountry where police response times are long. But lots of inner cities have more Bad Guys with a Gun than Good Guys with a Gun, so letting big city police hassle dirtbags carrying illegal handguns can be an effective way to reduce murders.”
The problem is this doesn’t go far enough up stream. Good should be replaced with “white,” and Bad should be replaced with “black.”
It’s a great example of how different rules are necessary for different races. Whites do not need and should not be subject to the type of intensive proactive (and unconstitutional, for anyone who still cares about that kind of thing) policing that negroes require.
And as far as “long police times,” as the saying goes: When seconds count, police are minutes away. If someone pulls a gun on you, a 30 second response time is too long. In the present USA, there is a no place where it is more prudent to carry a firearm than in a city.
So, according to you, “Israel”(notice the scare quotes) “dictat[ates] behavior for the rest of the country”?
You wanna-be Nazis are truly crazed.
I miss the days when Southern California would send a man like Bob Dornan to Congress. Surely he would put the little whimpering critters out of their misery.
https://usafacts.org/articles/which-states-rely-the-most-on-federal-aid/Percentage of Total Revenue from Federal Government
Vermont 35.8%
West Virginia 34.1%
Alaska 33.9%
Louisiana 33.4%
South Dakota 33.0%
Mississippi 32.4%
Kentucky 32.2%
Montana 32.1%
New Mexico 32.1%
Wyoming 31.9%
Arizona 30.1%
Rhode Island 29.8%
Delaware 29.2%
Maine 28.3%
Arkansas 28.2%
District of Columbia 27.7%
Idaho 26.9%
Alabama 26.6%
Indiana 26.4%
North Dakota 25.7%
Missouri 25.5%
New Hampshire 25.2%
Michigan 25.1%
Oklahoma 24.2%
Pennsylvania 24.1%
Oregon 23.2%
South Carolina 22.7%
Tennessee 22.3%
Maryland 22.1%
North Carolina 22.0%
Massachusetts 21.4%
New York 21.1%
Ohio 21.0%
Texas 20.5%
Florida 20.0%
Connecticut 20.0%
Iowa 19.9%
Minnesota 19.7%
Hawaii 19.2%
Virginia 18.9%
Nebraska 18.8%
Georgia 18.8%
Nevada 18.4%
Kansas 18.3%
Illinois 18.1%
California 17.8%
New Jersey 16.8%
Wisconsin 16.1%
Utah 16.1%
Washington 16.0%
Colorado 15.9%Replies: @Gandydancer, @Almost Missouri, @Bill Jones
Needless to say, except in the imagination of cretins, it’s NOT essential that the Federal government does this.
You are right to emphasize federalism. One other request. If we have to have one state dictating behavior for the rest of the country can it please not be California?Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @kaganovitch, @anon, @Mike Tre, @Mark G.
I wonder if there has been a resurgence of the rodent population in Los Angeles because of the ever increasing drug addicted homeless population resulting in more loose garbage, food, and human waste on the streets, walks, and alleys.
https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/communities/san-diego/story/2019-07-16/report-says-californias-rat-population-is-exploding-but-county-data-differsThis page has a link to the full report.
https://reformcalifornia.org/news/new-report-reveals-california-cities-struggling-with-massive-rat-infestations
Also this. Emphasis in the original.
The coyotes in Bel Air UCLA campus a very large campus and the 490 acre Veteran hospital grounds plus woods parks and ravines ate all the prey in those areas.And had many many babies.
So the coyotes were forced to hunt food in BH and WLA and the rats disappeared in many areas. So did the wild cats but that’s the way of Mother Nature. Used to be herds of rats in the alleys. And the city parks in Beverly Hills and west Los Angeles
I live part of the year in WLA part of the year in the SF Bay Area. Our Bay Area neighborhood was infested with raccoons. 35 pound raccoons. They regularly attacked and injured dogs , including big dogs and the dogs always lost.Stalked small kids soon as it got dusk They got in houses attics garages tunneled into RVs from underneath chewed siding and studs and attic rafters are every flower and bulb every morning you’d see raccoon tracks on your car.
And then and then, some coyotes moved in. First they ate the deer. Which was too bad because the deer ate the weeds foxtails & wild wheat but left flower gardens alone.
And when the deer were gone the raccoons were exterminated in a year. So now I love coyotes.
The dog owners love the coyotes for exterminating the racoons. But now the coyotes are besieging the houses every night to get at the dogs. The pack clusters in the driveway and makes the chitty chitty sound to lure the dogs out.
Animal control refused to do anything about the raccoons. Is now refusing to do anything about the coyotes. Only thing they will do is if a car hits a deer raccoon or other animal AND it survives but is too injured to crawl off the road animal control will come and pick it up. And take it to a vet for treatment and the rehab center Total absolute waste of taxpayers money.
It’s illegal to kill racoons coyotes deer and any nuisance animal or bird.
But, the most energetic politicians, such as Ted Lieu (who replaced the formidable Henry Waxman when he retired), rise up to Washington and tend to try to nationalize everything.
Our “working class” Labor Prime Minister has just made a federal crime the Roman salute.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-28/nazi-salute-banned-antisemitism-letter-signed-by-former-premiers/103158086
We all learned during Covid Lockdowns that Australia wasn’t a nation but, instead, a federation of nations.
I never knew until 2020 that the NSW Health Minister was basically mein Führer, with all the powers of a Führer, yet today I’m banned from saluting him/she/shit in the style they deserve.
Should I salute the NSW health minister as they deserve I’d be given a prison sentence yet child rapists are given community service bonds
These are facts: conclusions are inescapable.
The Australian state and federal governments prefer pedophilia to Roman salutes.
Politics is Hollywood for ugly people, people bereft of any humanity they’d search for days to find inside them a soul to sell, probably all sociopaths, the only people they truly serve are themselves via property developers and Jews.
Seriously, I find glue traps to be worthless. I wouldn't care if they were banned. Snap traps and poison bait are much better. PS bait traps with peanut butter, not cheese.I warn you, Men of Unz! You will long for the days when it was the Joos who were oppressing you. Our new Asian Overlords will make your former Joo Overlords look like pussycats. Get ready for the struggle session! How good are you at staying in stress positions?Replies: @Corn, @AnotherDad, @deep anonymous, @James B. Shearer, @Anon, @anon, @Mike Tre, @Twinkie, @MEH 0910, @Erik L, @PeterIke, @Twinkie, @Dry land farming, @Colin Wright, @Ed Case
“Seriously, I find glue traps to be worthless. ”
Yeah they don’t work so well in tunnels, from what I hear.
Actually, it was the other way around. The “Jim Crow” laws some insist on condemning the defeated south for instituting after the Civil War were modeled on the segregation regulations in effect in most of the free states. Blacks were denied equal political rights, including the right to vote, the right to attend public schools, and the right to equal treatment under the law in Connecticut, Ohio, Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, and New York; Indiana, Michigan, Ohio, and Illinois had anti-miscegenation laws forbidding black-white marriages. This is just a sampling of such laws in force throughout antebellum America.
When the state legislature of Tennessee, the first insurgent state readmitted to the Union, wrote its “Black Codes” regulating the newly liberated slaves at the 1865-66 session, its members were dumbfounded by the rageful reaction from Yankeeland. It is a fact that the southern legislatures had the support of the people who lived in those states in drafting and passing these laws. And the black population had no experience whatsoever in the duties and rights of citizenship. In these laws, some saw needed guidance, while others saw oppression.
Of course they were all “white supremacists.” It was a fundamental worldview that almost everyone shared whether pro- or anti-slavery. Only the despised lunatic fringe element, the Abolitionists, saw a problem with what was sanctioned by law and custom and, in the majority opinion, Divine Will. But their version of antebellum race relations has come to be seen as the only viewpoint only because it accords with what we would like to believe it true today.
“Jim Crow,” by the way, was the name of a character created by New Yorker Thomas Dartmouth Rice in a popular minstrel show song. In it he is a black stage driver celebrating his pleasure at being black, mocking the none too secret envy of repressed whites at the freedom blacks had to sing and dance and make love in ways that were forbidden in prudish, proper Victorian society.
You are right to emphasize federalism. One other request. If we have to have one state dictating behavior for the rest of the country can it please not be California?Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @kaganovitch, @anon, @Mike Tre, @Mark G.
California is about to get much worse. They are going to start providing free medical insurance for illegal aliens. It is estimated it will cost 2.6 billion dollars a year. However, the cost of this will rapidly expand once people all around the planet with medical problems find out their medical bills will be taken care of if they move to California.
Nice things require exclusion--a border, a fence, a lock. Nice things require the people who built the nice things to be able to keep them for themselves. If everyone is entitled to the nice things other people build ... there won't be any nice things. You can call it "property rights" or whatever. But the principle is obvious.Replies: @Anonymous
Reality asserting itself?
Unlike rat traps, abortion is a serious issue. But the Supremes--after screwing up again and again with utter nonsense like Obergefell--did the right thing in Dobbs, nuking the abomination that was Roe, precisely because abortion is simply not a federal matter in our Constitution.
Conservatives ought to have taken that opportunity to show that they understand that
-- abortion pits various understandings of rights, values and religious/moral conceptions against each other
-- America is a deeply divided nation across a whole range of these issues
and
-- the most important thing for conservatives should be to actually conserve the opportunity for normal productive Americans to live normal productive traditional family lives
That means the federal priority is to
-- stop the immivasion and preserve America for Americans
-- stop the super-state bullying by minoritarians--push back the reach of the super-state--to allow normie Americans to form and govern themselves in their own normie communities.
Extending the reach of the super-state to do an obviously contentious--and IMO unconstitutional-- abortion ban, is the worst possible politics. We need a massive repeal of minoritarian federal glop and a "separationist" politics that says:
"We support normal people, normal families. Get out of our face. We're going to run our states, communities, schools, universities, police, etc. as we see fit. You stay out of them and stop immivading them ... and just go do your own weird rainbow nonsense in your communities."Replies: @Dutch Boy, @AndrewR
Unless we completely throw out the idea of prosecuting people for crimes committed in other jurisdictions, abortion is inherently a federal issue. And I’m not entirely against throwing that idea out, but it’s going to be a hard sell to convince people that pedophile sex tourists and ISIS recruits shouldn’t be prosecuted upon return to the US. If the US government is prosecuting people for acts committed outside the US, then why shouldn’t we prosecute people who cross state lines to commit an act that’s illegal in their own state?
Seems like there would be a lot of practical difficulties. Which is why (as far as I know) people were never prosecuted for going to Nevada to gamble.
The joy of the United States is that there are 50 different states that have different laws, so if you don't like the laws in one state you can freely move to another.Replies: @Alden
A great example of the frivolity of our leadership class. Congress is really only obligated to pass annual appropriations, and they cannot even do that anymore except via a catch all continuing resolution rather than considering batches of somewhat related agencies to make adjustments.
Aside from that we have a staggering illegal immigrant crisis, ruinous annual borrowing, and out of date/inadequate energy and transportation infrastructure.
And yet we have legislation to ban glue traps and to borrow $14 trillion for reparations to America’s biggest fiscal and social burden, who have shown zero ability to leverage the trillions already expended on their behalf into any sustainable improvements in social or economic performance.
I have a finished basement, but the storage room and the utility room do not have finished walls. Because of that, I usually get some insects and spiders (wolf spiders in particular) in those rooms. So, I usually put some glue traps in them. I fold them into a box shape, instead of leaving them flat. That way, there is little chance of sticking oneself.
Well, it’s a good thing I put them along the edges in those rooms mice like to run along edges), because I caught a few mice for the first time in years (more than a decade in fact). My pest control guy and I walked the perimeter of the house and discovered a 1/4 inch hole next to a basement window. We plugged that and had no more mice.
Glue traps are great, because they are generally more hygienic (the mess is contained in the trap). Mice and mice feces carry nasty diseases. You don’t want to handle either. Plus, they don’t have to be baited and can be left for mice and insects. They can also trap more than one mice at a time (snap traps are useless once they snap).
I don’t like to be needlessly cruel to animals, but these are nasty rodents that carry diseases, so I will use whatever methods are the most effective in catching and disposing of them neatly. So Ted Lieu can bugger off.
Fill the bucket with 6 inches of water. When you've caught your 100 mice running around, remove the trap lid, snap on the regular kind of watertight lid that comes with buckets, take it to a field and dump it. The owls will thank you.
Seriously, I find glue traps to be worthless. I wouldn't care if they were banned. Snap traps and poison bait are much better. PS bait traps with peanut butter, not cheese.I warn you, Men of Unz! You will long for the days when it was the Joos who were oppressing you. Our new Asian Overlords will make your former Joo Overlords look like pussycats. Get ready for the struggle session! How good are you at staying in stress positions?Replies: @Corn, @AnotherDad, @deep anonymous, @James B. Shearer, @Anon, @anon, @Mike Tre, @Twinkie, @MEH 0910, @Erik L, @PeterIke, @Twinkie, @Dry land farming, @Colin Wright, @Ed Case
There is something desperately sad about the way you play “Fellow Whites” whenever you get a chance these days. I have no love for the likes of Ted Lieu or the growing Indian overlords class, but it is indeed Chutzpah to hector about some pol going on about mousetraps and animal cruelty when the pro-Israeli lobby and their fellow travelers among American Jews have made our country complicit in killing of 25,000 women and children in 100 days.
I like to put some sticky traps on this rat:
He’s trying to take my guns and use my tax money to kill Palestinian women and children. His kind is more destructive to our country than 100 Ted Lieus.
“when the pro-Israeli lobby and their fellow travelers among American Jews have made our country complicit in killing of 25,000 women and children in 100 days.”
Exactly the same logic can be applied to the pro-Russian lobby among your camp.
“He’s trying to take my guns”
That’s absurd.
“and use my tax money to kill Palestinian women and children”
Oh, he definitely is a rat. But Trump loves him. Why is that?
The Chinese are awful to animals, but their excuse is that they are only now entering a civilized phase of their development. They have been too poor and terrified by Maoist oppression to worry about animals.
Meanwhile elite Asian-Americans are going to hew to the elite American line in general, esp. on things like animal cruelty and such.
You’d be surprised by how much animal cruelty there is in our country. I saw a guy chuck a box of puppies out the window of his truck once. My wife had to restrain me from chasing him down and punting his head into the concrete. And it’s not just random individuals. People who run puppy mills are scum and some of them treat the animals horribly.
I'd say the big difference is that they never had Christianization. More explicitly the process of broad empathy building under Christianity. (Moderns would be pretty shocked if they time travelled back to ancient Rome and took in the level of cruelty and barbarism.) In a fight--in a war--Christians can and have been as nasty as the next guy. But the West's general standards against cruelty have been on a long upswing. (I'd argue in some sense "too far". That's you don't want to throw out effective/deterring use of force to enforce civilized behavior with the "cruelty bathwater".)Replies: @Ennui
Seriously, I find glue traps to be worthless. I wouldn't care if they were banned. Snap traps and poison bait are much better. PS bait traps with peanut butter, not cheese.I warn you, Men of Unz! You will long for the days when it was the Joos who were oppressing you. Our new Asian Overlords will make your former Joo Overlords look like pussycats. Get ready for the struggle session! How good are you at staying in stress positions?Replies: @Corn, @AnotherDad, @deep anonymous, @James B. Shearer, @Anon, @anon, @Mike Tre, @Twinkie, @MEH 0910, @Erik L, @PeterIke, @Twinkie, @Dry land farming, @Colin Wright, @Ed Case
https://www.jewoftheweek.net/2019/04/03/jew-of-the-week-otto-orkin/
Nicely glib way of avoiding the real issues he raises.
Well Done!
It’s that PETA money Rep Lieu is after.
Didn’t this all start with shaming people for using the Tar-Baby metaphor? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tar-Baby#As_a_racial_slur
Maybe instead of Tar-Baby enlightened people can say Glue-Trap-Baby? And only white colored glue traps will be used in this metaphor as apparently glue traps also come in black (but absolutely not Black).
When Br’er Rat comes along, he addresses the glue-trap “baby” amiably, but receives no response. Br’er Rat becomes offended by what he perceives as the glue-trap-baby’s lack of manners, punches it and, in doing so, becomes stuck.
Brawl leading to death and injury for not properly acknowledging a local thug? Does that really happen? The legend of the glue-trap-baby may have relevance today.
What cop is going to enforce rat trap compliance, anyway?
You go to a lot of European, Asian and South American countries (no need to mention Africa), and the facts on the ground are totally at odds with the "plan," whatever it happens to be ATM. The US was not one of those countries, but it's getting there.
Really at this point we have no choice. Compliance is counterproductive and stupid in many cases. I mean, who thinks we should listen to Ted Lieu besides Ted Lieu?Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @anonymous, @Sam Hildebrand, @Erik L, @Rob Lee
The same ones that enforced mask mandates, so all of them.
Well, it’s a good thing I put them along the edges in those rooms mice like to run along edges), because I caught a few mice for the first time in years (more than a decade in fact). My pest control guy and I walked the perimeter of the house and discovered a 1/4 inch hole next to a basement window. We plugged that and had no more mice.
Glue traps are great, because they are generally more hygienic (the mess is contained in the trap). Mice and mice feces carry nasty diseases. You don’t want to handle either. Plus, they don’t have to be baited and can be left for mice and insects. They can also trap more than one mice at a time (snap traps are useless once they snap).
I don’t like to be needlessly cruel to animals, but these are nasty rodents that carry diseases, so I will use whatever methods are the most effective in catching and disposing of them neatly. So Ted Lieu can bugger off.Replies: @jsm
Fill the bucket with 6 inches of water. When you’ve caught your 100 mice running around, remove the trap lid, snap on the regular kind of watertight lid that comes with buckets, take it to a field and dump it. The owls will thank you.
Secession(s) would solve not only most of American problems, but most of the world’s too.
One day maybe even the so-called progressives will look back on the Age of Trapping which “created” so much wealth among the early settlers. Animal traps were hideous contraptions which in every case tortured the animal to death, as slowly as possible. How many times? Likely hundreds of millions.
Federalism is not the answer if your population is full of idiots or checked-out dimwits. You just get 50 varieties of stupid.
Lieu, like most American centrists, has more sympathy for criminals and rats than he does for Palestinian children.
This is an issue the GOP should actively oppose, which means they will not.Replies: @HammerJack
The traditional “snap” mousetrap dispatches the rodent in a split second. I can’t imagine why you think that slowly torturing them to death is preferable.
“The Congress shall have Power... To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.”
The notion of ‘implied powers’, not from the constitution but invented in McCulloch vs Maryland needs to be severely circumscribed. Were I to become president (don’t hold your breath) any potential nominee to the Supreme Court would need to swear fealty to constraining and boxing in the scope of implied powers whenever the opportunity arose.
A reminder from the Anti-federalists.
“While each of the Anti-Federalists had their own view for what a new constitution for the United States should look like, they generally agreed on a few things. First, they believed that the new Constitution consolidated too much power in the hands of Congress, at the expense of states. Second, they believed that the unitary president eerily resembled a monarch and that that resemblance would eventually produce courts of intrigue in the nation’s capital. Third, they believed that the liberties of the people were best protected when power resided in state governments, as opposed to a federal one. Lastly, they believed that without a Bill of Rights, the federal government would become tyrannous.”
“These arguments created a powerful current against adopting the Constitution in each of the states. In state legislatures across the country, opponents of the Constitution railed against the extensive powers it granted the federal government and its detraction from the republican governments of antiquity. In Virginia, Patrick Henry, author of the famous “Give Me Liberty or Give Me Death” speech, called the proposed constitution, “A revolution as radical as that which separated us from Great Britain.” In the Essays of Brutus, an anonymous author worried that without any limitations, the proposed Constitution would make “the state governments… dependent on the will of the general government for their existence.”
“The Anti-Federalists mobilized against the Constitution in state legislatures across the country.”
“Anti-Federalists in Massachusetts, Virginia and New York, three crucial states, made ratification of the Constitution contingent on a Bill of Rights. In Massachusetts, arguments between the Federalists and Anti-Federalists erupted in a physical brawl between Elbridge Gerry and Francis Dana. Sensing that Anti-Federalist sentiment would sink ratification efforts, James Madison reluctantly agreed to draft a list of rights that the new federal government could not encroach.”
“The Bill of Rights is a list of 10 constitutional amendments that secure the basic rights and privileges of American citizens. They were fashioned after the English Bill of Rights and George Mason’s Virginia Declaration of Rights. They include the right to free speech, the right to a speedy trial, the right to due process under the law, and protections against cruel and unusual punishments. To accommodate Anti-Federalist concerns of excessive federal power, the Bill of Rights also reserves any power that is not given to the federal government to the states and to the people.”Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Curle
I should have added that even this description of the anti-federalists above contains an exaggeration. The 10th amendment makes clear that all powers imbedded in the constitution, an agreement between the people of the states, are delegated.
“The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.[6]”
The above internet commentary says “given” which is incorrect. Delegation was not historically a permanent act. It is the voluntary assignment of duties from a superior to an inferior that has origins in the law of agency. The people, assembled in state conventions, delegated limited powers through ratification of the constitution. Under the understanding of the constitution at the time of ratification the delegation was voluntary as to perpetuation. See contemporaneous writings of William and Mary law professor at the time of ratification St. George Tucker.
Agreed, and given how many millions of homeless cats and dogs are killed annually puppy mills are the very last thing our society needs.
Someone had to point out to me that one factor is how the bitches are treated horrifically with constant pregnancies and minimal care. Essentially (over-) used for their uteruses until they are disposed of. Lowlifes see this as easy money.
Unfortunately there’s not a clear line separating these people from what we like to call “responsible” breeders. More like a flexible continuum.
Hobby breeders are generally very responsible. There is a pretty clear line between them and the puppy mills or the backyard breeders. The problems are:
1. There are not enough hobby breeders to cater to all the demand for puppies.
2. Most consumers are not all that discerning or responsible.
Interesting map. As far as I can tell Hawaii and Massachusetts are the only states in which every county was blue and Oklahoma the only all-red. You can also see some patterns like the heavily black counties in the Mississippi Delta and forming a crescent across the Southeast, the Hispanics in South Texas, and some Indian reservations and college towns.
I propose a mouse buy-back program, wherein local governments, supplemented by federal funding, will pay you for live mice, transport them to distant hinterlands and release them.
What? You know that’s where we’re headed.
Doesn't the treatment of the Jan 6th protesters contravene at least two of these rights?Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Curle, @G. Poulin
The treatment of the Jan 6th protesters, some of whom have been in jail over three years awaiting trial, is far and away the most lawless, cruel, and despicable thing Biden has done.
As far as I know this can only happen if they waive their right to a speedy trial. Have they done that?
Marion County here in Indiana, where Indianapolis is located, is a blue county. However, the white urban hipster types and ghetto blacks here really do not have much in common. There is friction between the two groups because even those whites don’t particularly like black criminals, drug dealers, and prostitutes nearby. These liberal urban whites have their own insular enclaves where they try to keep away from blacks who vote Democrat like them as much as they can.
What angle is Lieu working? Has he got a constituent whose company produces some other sort of trap?
What on Earth is “cruel” about them?
“They’re inhumane and can be dangerous to humans and their pets.”
As long as you don’t use them on humans, they can’t be inhumane. I’m unaware of them being dangerous to people or pets, and suspect that Ted Lieu is just blowing smoke, and sucking up to animal rights fanatics, or is one himself.
I had great success using a glue trap to catch a mouse, circa 1988, which I then held in the toilet bowl, until the mouse drowned.
It was in the shape of a large box for wooden matches. But it wasn’t enough.
First, I tried a little spring trap, using peanut butter as bait, which I placed on the ground, between the stove and the sink. But the mouse would sense the trap (presumably with its whiskers), and avoid it. So I placed a big jug of Gallo wine, which I used for cooking poiposses, at the end of the runway. Still, no good. Finally, I bought the matchbox, with the glue on the bottom half.
When I heard and spotted the mouse behind the stove at night, I jumped and probably shouted at it, which incited it to turn ‘round and run. Like most thieves, it was in such a frenzy to escape that it could not make sense of all the sensory data it was getting in time, and in trying to fly through the big matchbox, got caught, splayed out on the glue, on its belly.
To Ted Lieu, the only “cruelty” to the glue traps, is that they work. He wants to be inhumane and cruel to humans, and aid and abet rodents, as if they were black or brown criminals.Replies: @Jack D, @Bill Jones, @Its not me, @Je Suis Omar Mateen, @James J. O'Meara
You drowned a rat in your toilet? 🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ZFjNuQIin1c/maxresdefault.jpg
https://usafacts.org/articles/which-states-rely-the-most-on-federal-aid/Percentage of Total Revenue from Federal Government
Vermont 35.8%
West Virginia 34.1%
Alaska 33.9%
Louisiana 33.4%
South Dakota 33.0%
Mississippi 32.4%
Kentucky 32.2%
Montana 32.1%
New Mexico 32.1%
Wyoming 31.9%
Arizona 30.1%
Rhode Island 29.8%
Delaware 29.2%
Maine 28.3%
Arkansas 28.2%
District of Columbia 27.7%
Idaho 26.9%
Alabama 26.6%
Indiana 26.4%
North Dakota 25.7%
Missouri 25.5%
New Hampshire 25.2%
Michigan 25.1%
Oklahoma 24.2%
Pennsylvania 24.1%
Oregon 23.2%
South Carolina 22.7%
Tennessee 22.3%
Maryland 22.1%
North Carolina 22.0%
Massachusetts 21.4%
New York 21.1%
Ohio 21.0%
Texas 20.5%
Florida 20.0%
Connecticut 20.0%
Iowa 19.9%
Minnesota 19.7%
Hawaii 19.2%
Virginia 18.9%
Nebraska 18.8%
Georgia 18.8%
Nevada 18.4%
Kansas 18.3%
Illinois 18.1%
California 17.8%
New Jersey 16.8%
Wisconsin 16.1%
Utah 16.1%
Washington 16.0%
Colorado 15.9%Replies: @Gandydancer, @Almost Missouri, @Bill Jones
That revenue originally came from the States, so naturally it should go back to the States.
Tragically, before it can reach USAfacts.org‘s list, a lot of it is handed out to foreigners, the owners of the Fed, and (within the list) the District of Columbia.
One might quibble that the States are not getting back the same amount they put it, which is true and why it would be better if it weren’t removed in the first place. Note that I already included tax collectors among the deleterious contributions of blue cities.
https://www.voanews.com/a/which-us-states-get-more-than-they-give/4809228.html
https://gdb.voanews.com/63710246-746A-418A-9407-C412FE44A54E_w1597_n_r0_st_s.jpgReplies: @Almost Missouri
What cop is going to enforce rat trap compliance, anyway?
You go to a lot of European, Asian and South American countries (no need to mention Africa), and the facts on the ground are totally at odds with the "plan," whatever it happens to be ATM. The US was not one of those countries, but it's getting there.
Really at this point we have no choice. Compliance is counterproductive and stupid in many cases. I mean, who thinks we should listen to Ted Lieu besides Ted Lieu?Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @anonymous, @Sam Hildebrand, @Erik L, @Rob Lee
It’s pretty easy to enforce. In California none of the stores sell outlawed products and the big online retailers have lists of “don’t send to California items”. I have been denied certain LED bulbs (CA has standards for LED bulbs- they have to shine a pleasing light), bathroom faucets above a certain flow rate, and, most recently, the large dog poop bags from Amazon (because, my best reading, they claim to be compostable but don’t meet the CA standard for compostable).
Rat killing is a highly intermittent need and so not amenable to a black market/smuggling solution. Scofflaws would have to make their own.
Doesn't the treatment of the Jan 6th protesters contravene at least two of these rights?Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Curle, @G. Poulin
I’ve only followed this issue superficially but what I’ve heard and read concerns me.
Seriously, I find glue traps to be worthless. I wouldn't care if they were banned. Snap traps and poison bait are much better. PS bait traps with peanut butter, not cheese.I warn you, Men of Unz! You will long for the days when it was the Joos who were oppressing you. Our new Asian Overlords will make your former Joo Overlords look like pussycats. Get ready for the struggle session! How good are you at staying in stress positions?Replies: @Corn, @AnotherDad, @deep anonymous, @James B. Shearer, @Anon, @anon, @Mike Tre, @Twinkie, @MEH 0910, @Erik L, @PeterIke, @Twinkie, @Dry land farming, @Colin Wright, @Ed Case
My experience is opposite. The most effective rat strategy is exclusion. Do not hire one of the national chains; they will send a kid with no experience. You want a guy who has been running his own business for thirty years. That guy finally sealed the house up tight.
To kill the rats, though, I have had two to three times the success with glue over spring. The rats in this area know the spring traps. They also catch on to the glue but still f up sometimes.
The best is when they panic in the glue and shit themselves to death in seconds. Much worse to have to pick it up and drown them in the toilet.
This lieu guy has most likely never had rats. Once you do, cruelty becomes a feature.
But spare a thought for White Anglo-Norman Catholics especially if they are English Residents.Replies: @Anonymous
So now you know you are an idiot.
WANKERs.
Millard Fillmore earned a place on the Worst Presidents list in large part because he signed the widely hated Fugitive Slave Act. In reality, he was strongly opposed to slavery, but considered himself duty-bound to sign the Act as Congress had painstakingly worked it out in the hopes of keeping the country from splitting apart.Replies: @Gandydancer, @Louis Renault
If only Africans had not enslaved other Africans the only slaves in the New World would have been white. I wonder how affluent white female liberals would be signaling their virtue today had that been the case?
That’s just an extra benny. It’s just a more explicit reminder that the whole immigrationist ideology is ridiculous–never existed before–and parasitic. The main benny, of course, is simply living in more prosperous/peaceful/orderly/free, less corrupt/violent etc. etc. than wherever the heck you came from.
Nice things require exclusion–a border, a fence, a lock. Nice things require the people who built the nice things to be able to keep them for themselves. If everyone is entitled to the nice things other people build … there won’t be any nice things. You can call it “property rights” or whatever. But the principle is obvious.
OC has Correa, in the news for lauding Mayorkas and pooh-poohing any impeachment concerns.
Given his constituency, opening the borders seems expedient until some rando terrorist offs a neighbor. Will he or any other person in Congress acknowledge how they are endangering Americans, even as they endanger through human trafficking the new arrivals?
Back to mice and rats, try a piece of SlimJim in a snap trap. More effective and less messy than peanut butter or cheese.
Or there’s the .357 Magnum of rodent traps: the A24.
They make an A26 model that’s supposedly big enough for squirrels, but isn’t sold in America. I once got a small (and apparently slow) squirrel with a regular spring-type rat trap, but the normal squirrels just shrug those off.
The realization of a Ted Lieu-size version is left as an exercise for the reader.
What on Earth is “cruel” about them?
“They’re inhumane and can be dangerous to humans and their pets.”
As long as you don’t use them on humans, they can’t be inhumane. I’m unaware of them being dangerous to people or pets, and suspect that Ted Lieu is just blowing smoke, and sucking up to animal rights fanatics, or is one himself.
I had great success using a glue trap to catch a mouse, circa 1988, which I then held in the toilet bowl, until the mouse drowned.
It was in the shape of a large box for wooden matches. But it wasn’t enough.
First, I tried a little spring trap, using peanut butter as bait, which I placed on the ground, between the stove and the sink. But the mouse would sense the trap (presumably with its whiskers), and avoid it. So I placed a big jug of Gallo wine, which I used for cooking poiposses, at the end of the runway. Still, no good. Finally, I bought the matchbox, with the glue on the bottom half.
When I heard and spotted the mouse behind the stove at night, I jumped and probably shouted at it, which incited it to turn ‘round and run. Like most thieves, it was in such a frenzy to escape that it could not make sense of all the sensory data it was getting in time, and in trying to fly through the big matchbox, got caught, splayed out on the glue, on its belly.
To Ted Lieu, the only “cruelty” to the glue traps, is that they work. He wants to be inhumane and cruel to humans, and aid and abet rodents, as if they were black or brown criminals.Replies: @Jack D, @Bill Jones, @Its not me, @Je Suis Omar Mateen, @James J. O'Meara
“I had great success using a glue trap to catch a mouse, circa 1988, which I then held in the toilet bowl, until the mouse drowned.”
That’s messed up, bro. Wifey caught a mouse circa 2005 using a glue trap and (of course) it was my job to euthanize squeaky little mouse. I put mouse and trap in a paper sack and crushed them under the front wheel of my Corolla. Instant death. I have hand-caught a few mice since then and always place them in a baggie of some sort and crush them underwheel. Drowning is brutal, man.
Years later, I rescued another baby bunny from the jaws of the neighbor's cat, and he shat all over my shirt.
OT: although it is an example of rat-like behavior ……Nikki (birdbrain) Haley cheated on her husband TWICE!…this calls for a new Nikki -name ……..Nikki (dirt squirrel) Haley.When the game is smash mouth ,play smash mouth.
And a once (and future?) DC rat Big Mike makes a move:
http://www.yourdestinationnow.com/2024/01/report-michelle-obama-angling-to.html
Seriously, I find glue traps to be worthless. I wouldn't care if they were banned. Snap traps and poison bait are much better. PS bait traps with peanut butter, not cheese.I warn you, Men of Unz! You will long for the days when it was the Joos who were oppressing you. Our new Asian Overlords will make your former Joo Overlords look like pussycats. Get ready for the struggle session! How good are you at staying in stress positions?Replies: @Corn, @AnotherDad, @deep anonymous, @James B. Shearer, @Anon, @anon, @Mike Tre, @Twinkie, @MEH 0910, @Erik L, @PeterIke, @Twinkie, @Dry land farming, @Colin Wright, @Ed Case
Ted Lieu is a pestilential rodent himself, and a nitwit twink to boot, and he exemplifies PeterIke’s Law that Asian immigration will be toxic for legacy America. That said, he’s right that glue traps are terrible, but he wants this to be a FEDERAL issue? Right now, when the nation is falling apart in 100 different ways? Sure, let’s spend time and resources on this mouse issue.
As for Jack D, it’s nice to see him admitting, in his usual ham-fisted way (non kosher), that Joos are oppressing us. He’s right! He’s also right that the new Asian overlords will be worse, in some ways anyhow. But what he doesn’t bring up is how the Jews are teaming up all over with the Asians, to knock down whitey. Look at the Biden administration: loads of Jews running the show, vast numbers of Indians at the second tier levels, implementing the Jew orders.
Only thing is, once they achieve enough political and economic force, the Asians will be happy to push the Jews out of the way. The Indians especially. The Chinese are too busy inter-marrying with Jews (Chinese have zero racial pride and will mate with anything).
My only hope is that the Asians are using woke as a way to power, and a way to suck up to the Jews that they need right now, but they don’t really mean it. Same way Jews were all about the labor union movement until they gained economic power, and then went on to invent corporate raiding and outsourcing, crushing American labor forever. Jews never gave two dreidels about “working people,” it was simply a path to power, much like Jewish organized crime (100x worse than Italian).
So once Asians get on top of the heap, they may revert to their more normal, fantastically racist attitudes and finally put the hammer down on blacks and ship out vast numbers of Hispanics. You know, to make room for millions of more Asians. Because that’s how they roll.
The only reason America isn’t 75% Jewish is there’s just not enough of them to go around. America WILL be 75% Asian and Asian/White mix at some point.
“Politicians in both parties are prone to this tendency to try to impose their prejudices on the whole country.”
False. The Repubs, for all their faults, are generally live-and-let-live. Democratics impose their will on others: viz, Obamacare, climatehoax, facediapers-lockdowns-strokepokes. That’s why Democratics win and Repubs lose: Repubs want to be left alone, thus they don’t impose on others; Democratics want everyone to live their way, thus they actively impose on others. This is not one of those fake moral equivalencies where midwits imagine they rise above the fray viz ‘O, I am so much worldlywise than these bickering fools below!’ No. One side is evil, one side is righteous.
The first time someone told me about glue traps - how he watch the trapped mouse struggle in vain to escape, breaking its own bones in agony, I was appalled. I thought then and think now that glue traps should be banned.
No animal, not even a rat, lamprey or roach, deserves to be tortured to death. Glue traps are torture.
Same with drowning animals in a bucket of anti-freeze or putting a beast trapped in a Hava-hart in the river. Shoot the poor bugger.Replies: @Old Prude, @Elli, @Muggles
Drop them in a plastic bag and wham them against the floor a few times, when found in glue trap or staggering around poisoned or caught in live trap.
Having this debate now with someone I work for. The mice eating poison baits and coming back for more. Either no poison in bait or immune mice. Try new poison. Official policy: Personnel and personal squeamishness outweighs lengthy death by poison, dead mice rotting in walls, so no traps.
My policy: place concealed traps. Snap traps always being pilfered, live traps more effective in my experience, but mice can die overnight.
Will resort to glue traps if problem gets worse, though I agree it is agonizing death.
Doesn't the treatment of the Jan 6th protesters contravene at least two of these rights?Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Curle, @G. Poulin
I’m selling copies of the United States Constitution on a convenient roll. Please specify 1-ply or 2-ply.
Let’s not forget the recent NYC debacle involving jews who were crawling out of sewers and tunnels that were used as child molestation rooms.
It was hilarious to see the jew crawling out of his rat hole and scurrying away.
The concerning part is the use of these tunnels for jewish blood sacrifices involving children…
The pre-WW2 German movie “Der Ewige Jude” shows essentially the same thing–jews scurrying like rats.
That beings said, Humane Societies did not traditionally concern themselves with the treatment of vermin.
We have a sort of "deal" going with domestic animals and pets - they provide us with benefits - milk, eggs, companionship, and in return we treat them as kindly as reasonably possible. No one would suggest or tolerate euthanizing dogs by attaching them to sticky traps.
But humans are "at war" with vermin. We have not made any deal with them and it's no holds barred.Replies: @anonymous, @Hapalong Cassidy
I remember an episode of Seinfeld it was mentioned that we have a deal with pigeons: they get out of the way of our vehicles, and we overlook the statue defecation.
People will just stock up an entire closet of glue traps, like Elaine’s discontinued sponges
New York Pizza Rat says come get me, suckers!
That tar pit statue is seriously depressing, far more moving than any Emmett Till memorial
Advanced medical facilities, universities, symphony, opera, museums, transportation hubs (airports, cruise lines, railroads), most entertainment production including professional sports, newsrooms, newspaper production, book publishing, finance industry, banks, medical schools, shipbuilding, research laboratories,
"cruise lines": loldouble loltriple lol
You saw I already mentioned "adverse propaganda" right?out of breath
No one needs a city for this.These can and do take place anywhere. There's a reason the relatively recent hedge fund "industry" tends to be concentrated in leafy Connecticut rather than in lower Manhattan: they can be. (The most parasitical parts of the finance "industry" tend to be concentrated in Blue conurbations.)Go where the most sickos are, I guess.things_America_doesn't_do_anymore.txt
And in the rare instances America still does, as already mentioned, the ports are perfectly capable of operating without nearby cities. The era of the stevedore horde is past.replication_crisis.txt
Despite increasing investment, technological progress is slowing. How much research is really taking place in Manhattan or downtown Atlanta compared to suburban/exurban office parks and Oxbridge-esque bucolic campuses? What little progress we still get doesn't depend on cities.Replies: @Alden
“Small Asian man concerned about the dangers of his getting stuck in a glue trap,”
still better than having britshit medittaranean size small brain ,shit pig skin and sub human curly hair and scary looking light eyes
Using .45 ACP rounds you’re liable to punch out a wall but miss the rat after the M3 jams. I believe the last time the M3 was used by American forces was in Vietnam. The HK MP5 using 9mm rounds that was issued in the early 1990s had similar problems. I had a chance to fire an M3; felt like Lee Marvin. But I wouldn’t want to carry it into the field.
What do you have against apartheid? Anyway, if you can see them, it’s not true segregation.
Who the heck capitalizes northern? Those who still capitalise?
The Lieu family is known for their specialty soups. Thus the rats.
“Indian overlords class”
I think they were brought in when the Jewish management class, put in place by the WASPs, decided to retire from the damage done. The dot-headed Indians and Jews share similar traits: unattractive women, godawful cuisine, and an overestimation of their talent and brains. The Jews, however, are European, unlike the sinister Kali-types, and their contribution to Western culture is significant. But there’s also the damage done.
OT — Today, Nikki Haley, who is neither President of the United States nor a prospective candidate to be President of the United States, turns one year older. Happy 51st, Nikki!
Then he turned it over to his sons and they screwed it up. Pattern.
You are an example of what is wrong with this country. Worried about cruelty to literal parasitic, disease vectors, but elsewhere calling for the elimination of an entire people. A people, btw, that pose no threat to us, unlike disease-carrying mice and rats.
The morality of a boomercon or suburban security mom.
The impotent and illegitimate federal government gave Texas until the end of … yesterday, to stop usurping those border policing powers, which the federal government is Constitutionally entrusted with but lately failing to properly implement.
Does this mean that federalism is returning, not on purpose, but in the shadow of no leaders?
The first time someone told me about glue traps - how he watch the trapped mouse struggle in vain to escape, breaking its own bones in agony, I was appalled. I thought then and think now that glue traps should be banned.
No animal, not even a rat, lamprey or roach, deserves to be tortured to death. Glue traps are torture.
Same with drowning animals in a bucket of anti-freeze or putting a beast trapped in a Hava-hart in the river. Shoot the poor bugger.Replies: @Old Prude, @Elli, @Muggles
I disagree that these are torture.
Yes, a few might gnaw limbs, but most simply starve. Which happens often in nature.
Not pleasant to contemplate but it’s reality.
Poisoning isn’t fun either but is widely effective on rats and roaches.
Rats will gnaw everything in sight (they have to) and like roaches transmit diseases (even with rats, fatal ones).
So you can either live like an Indian Jain, and kill nothing. People will avoid you of course. Or accept that some spaces need to be reserved for certain lifeforms and exclude others.
You can’t humanely kill mosquitoes, roaches or fire ants. Or most large vermin.
At best we can sustain zones of habitability where vermin are not often found.
These vermin deaths are not done for pleasure.
You can bet if Beverley Hills had rat infestations like much of NYC, our good representative here would be singing a different tune.
As with killing vermin, it is easy to play pacifist when you don’t live next door to Russia…
Yes and no. A lot of the richest Americans also live there as well, evening it out. If upstate New York is moribund, it’s not due to taxes drained to downstate. It’s the the tax and regulatory onus compared with other states. Only the Bronx is poorer, the only equally poor county in the north being almost 10% Mohawk.
The most subsidzed of Amtrak’s lines is out of New Orleans. The only unsubsidized line– i.e., it makes a profit– is the Acela.
Yes and no. A lot of the richest Americans also live there as well, evening it out. If upstate New York is moribund, it’s not due to taxes drained to downstate. It’s the the tax and regulatory onus compared with other states. (Only the Bronx is poorer, the only equally poor county in the north being almost 10% Mohawk.)
The most subsidzed of Amtrak’s lines is out of New Orleans. The only unsubsidized line– i.e., it makes a small profit– is the Acela.
Irving Kristol’s brother-in-law Milton Himmelfarb quipped that “Jews earn like Episcopalians, and vote like Puerto Ricans.” The question is why the Episcopalians have now joined them. If the GOP is the party of millionaires, the Dems are the party of billionaires.
In the war of the top-and-the-bottom vs. the middle, the top is still paying for much of it. The middle suffers more from market distortions than direct taxation.
Steve's original paragraph said blue cities and red rurals are dependent on each other. That is only half true IMHO.
Will they be crying out in dismayed surprise, I wonder, when they learn that they don’t have the support of the troll community?
Whether such a ban* has or hasn’t merit ultimately matters less than the disclosure that you and countless others plainly hold rat lives in higher regard than human ones.
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*Not coincidentally, the likelihood of the enactment of which is nil. Don’t all gasp at once.
This is rich coming from someone who calls himself “Twinkie” because he has racial dysphoria.
Where are you getting that? It sounds like you’re making it up, like it’s what you want to be true.
Glue traps anti-Semitic?
BTW I had a mouse a couple uh years ago. Poison didn’t work on this wiley creature. It came down to hand to hand combat. I beat him to death with my cane. Sent him to hell,I did.
Nice things require exclusion--a border, a fence, a lock. Nice things require the people who built the nice things to be able to keep them for themselves. If everyone is entitled to the nice things other people build ... there won't be any nice things. You can call it "property rights" or whatever. But the principle is obvious.Replies: @Anonymous
AnotherDad, Lieu looks like only one of the delusionals in the California Congressional Dem delegation.
OC has Correa, in the news for lauding Mayorkas and pooh-poohing any impeachment concerns.
Given his constituency, opening the borders seems expedient until some rando terrorist offs a neighbor. Will he or any other person in Congress acknowledge how they are endangering Americans, even as they endanger through human trafficking the new arrivals?
Back to mice and rats, try a piece of SlimJim in a snap trap. More effective and less messy than peanut butter or cheese.
Nothing – absolutely nothing – did as much as damage in this area as Prohibition.
Americans disobeyed the 18th amendment with contempt, leading to the empowerment of organized crime nationwide.
When I attacked the rat and mouse problem we discovered on moving into our current house (in California) I tried different kill methods but nothing set the rodent population back much until I hired a professional pest-control outfit. Since then we’ve seldom heard funny skittering noises and have seldom spotted rodent turds. (The same pro outfit has done a great job beating back our really bad ant problem too.) The guy who takes care of us tells me that he poisons the rats with high levels of Vitamin D, and that the Vitamin D won’t harm the scavengers (buzzards, etc) who feed on rodent carcasses.
If you’ve got a severe pest problem, give the pros a call, sez I.
Cholecalciferol (Vitamin D3) is now a standard rodenticide. It is the active ingredient in the d-Con blocks that they sell in the supermarket.
https://www.d-conproducts.com/learn/how-d-con-mouse-bait-works/
D3 causes your body to increase calcium absorption. In mouse bait, the rodent takes a massive overdose of D3, like a human swallowing 2,000 Vitamin D3 tablets. This causes the rodent to absorb so much calcium that it dies of kidney failure.
It's still not safe for your pets to eat the bait directly (and there is no antidote) so you still have to keep the stuff away from pets but if a pet or a wild animal nibbles on a rodent that has been killed with Cholecalciferol (scavenger animals will often eat dead rodents that they find - hey, it's a living) he'll just get a nice healthy dose of Vitamin D3.Replies: @J.Ross
Here’s some other data that you might find interesting.
https://www.voanews.com/a/which-us-states-get-more-than-they-give/4809228.html
The net payors are basically the wealthy northeastern states (CT, NY, NJ, MA), who don't complain too much since, I suppose, much of their "private" profits come from the fruits of the MIC and Welfare State.
An interesting side note is that the sum of net payors is obviously much less than the sum of net payees: more people are getting paid than are paying, and more money is paid out than in. How can this be? The difference is mainly Federal borrowing/printing of money, ... which also explains why this won't stop until outright currency collapse, if even then. That false surplus of money literally is the only thing holding the country together. No one likes it, but with trillions of 'extra' dollars being handed out, no one will walk away from the gravy train either. Besides that everyone likes 'free' money, not taking it might have consequences.Replies: @Anon
How do you hold a nation together when it is so obviously broken beyond repair, and the so-called elites are hell-bent on destroying everything that could possibly be viewed as healthy and cohesive? Maybe the U.S. could be salvaged if we still had 1950s demographics, but there is nothing to save. Eventually, a new order will have to be formed and forced. Americans are already at war. It’s just not a shooting war yet.
When that ends—as it eventually must, the next solution is likely to be ruthless coercion.Replies: @OilcanFloyd
Australia’s not for you:
Don’t know where your text came from but it stands in stark contrast to elite southern involvement and advocacy for the American Colonization Society, the creation of Hopewell Plantation in Alabama and the foundation of Liberia. For those unfamiliar with Hopewell it was a plantation established so that slaves could earn wages for passage and settlement to Liberia. It was created and financed by a southern planter and friend of Jeffersons who was also VP of the ACS.
The growth of cotton was a function of the growth of the British textile industry, the creation of the cotton gin and the subsequent clearing, settlement and formation of states such as Alabama (statehood 1819) and Mississippi (statehood 1817). Indian removal was still going on in the 1830s and The bottomlands of the Mississippi Delta were still 90% undeveloped after the Civil War.
The fantasy image of the antebellum South is a time period covering in the main less time than Reagan’s inauguration to the present.
I think you’re misunderstanding the attitudes of the antebellum Northern populations to slavery. There were certainly those opposed to slavery but not for the reasons you think. The hostility to slavery in many northern states and especially border states was that it allowed for the existence of freed slaves (Blacks) who, once free, tended to migrate North much to the consternation of the local Whites. The freed slaves were perceived as troublesome and were unwanted in the states to which they migrated. It was a topic that occupied much energy in the Northern state legislatures. At least one state, Illinois, went so far as to require slave owners selling slaves in advance of the end of slavery in that state to sell all of their slaves if they were to sell any. The purpose of this law was to coerce the Illinois slaveowners into selling their slaves to Southern buyers so that Illinois would not have the future burden of controlling and supporting this population. That a group of activists in the North opposed returning slaves to their Southern masters does not tell you anything about the general attitudes of the populace of these states who were generally hostile to the presence of former slaves in their midst.
Jim Crow was a post-bellum Southern adaptation of Northern antebellum Black Codes.
Ah, now there is Sailor’s bitchy insouciance that AI can’t seem to replicate accurately.
Thanks for a concise response.
The medical/pharma industry hasn’t been covering itself in glory lately. Most people, most of the time, can get perfectly good medical care away from big Blue cities. Occasionally there will be some 1-in-1,000,000 illness where you need an ultraspecialist, but away from the coastal blue cities, the ultraspecialist could as well be found at the bucolic university campus as at the urban highrise hospital.
the queen hive of the parasites
Hey, I like those things too, and would miss them if they’re gone, but 1) we’re not dependent on them, and 2) they’re already kind of gone since they’re all being made into woke parodies of their former glory by Blue directors.
This is kinda sorta a point since most rail lines (laid in in the 19th century, before Blue-ism ruined the cities) often do converge into urban junctions. But, 1) railroads aren’t so important anymore, 2) the national road network is a gigantic continental grid with enormous ringroads orbiting outside of the Blue cities, so in other words, almost all of it is in Red territory which access Blues depend on for resources while Reds never need leave Redland, 3) the big “hub” airports are typically on the outer fringes of the cities they “serve”, which is one of the reasons that air has replaced rail: the people who depend on travel don’t want to go into the cities anymore and with airports they don’t have to, 4) the world’s largest railway marshaling yard is way out in the Red boonies of Nebraska, so there is no reason other than inertia that rail yards have to be in big Blue cities, and inasmuch as the Blue urban railyards are often mostly moribund, they increasingly aren’t.
“cruise lines”: lol
double lol
triple lol
You saw I already mentioned “adverse propaganda” right?
out of breath
No one needs a city for this.
These can and do take place anywhere. There’s a reason the relatively recent hedge fund “industry” tends to be concentrated in leafy Connecticut rather than in lower Manhattan: they can be. (The most parasitical parts of the finance “industry” tend to be concentrated in Blue conurbations.)
Go where the most sickos are, I guess.
things_America_doesn’t_do_anymore.txt
And in the rare instances America still does, as already mentioned, the ports are perfectly capable of operating without nearby cities. The era of the stevedore horde is past.
replication_crisis.txt
Despite increasing investment, technological progress is slowing. How much research is really taking place in Manhattan or downtown Atlanta compared to suburban/exurban office parks and Oxbridge-esque bucolic campuses? What little progress we still get doesn’t depend on cities.
If you have medical issues don’t go to a teaching hospital. Malpractice insurance companies charge teaching hospitals much higher rates because the Drs are trainees and make many more mistakes.Replies: @JPS, @Almost Missouri
Glue traps work fine on onesie-twosie mice. They can get off them (seen it happen) but mostly don’t. If you don’t like squeaking, dispatch them. Give it a blindfold and a .25 behind the ear (wear earplugs, .25 ACP is rather loud in an enclosed space. Also put something under it, so the slug doesn’t ricochet). Or a hammer tap to the head. Just don’t get your hammer stuck.
For mass infestations, hire pros and damn the consequences. After all, are you a man or a mouse?
What enumerated constitutional power granted Congress includes regulating rat catching technology?
Glue traps don’t work for rats anyway. Maybe for mice. Maybe if the traps were bigger with a thicker layer of glue.
Fleas lice cockroaches bedbugs termites once eradicated brought back by woke faggot commie liberal environmentalists global warming brainwashed zombies.
It was 750 thousand White men in the prime of life died during that war.Plus disabled in an era of primitive medicine. About 60K civilians White and black in the border states died during and after the war . Malnutrition due to military living off the land devouring livestock and crops made civilians vulnerable to diseases.
It’s not “racial dysphoria.” It’s called assimilation. You might try it some time. You will suddenly find that this supposed “antisemitism” that you endlessly whine about (Fellow Minorities!) goes away.
Ya wanta kill some rats?
Well do ya, punk?
Amish and Mormons are big into puppy farming. I’m sure it’s much cheaper than cows steers or pigs. A lucrative little sideline for a farmer. Extra money if you have an acre and a shed. Puppy farms are governed by agriculture department standards for live e stock . But since they aren’t food animals I doubt there’s much enforcement.
Now in Lieu of that, if you personally don’t like guns, don’t carry. Easy peasy. It don’t matter if urine Glute Raps, Nevada, the “inner city” or the shminner schitty: It’s a freak ‘untry, Steve.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vp0a2TCHcx4Replies: @OK Boomer
Oh, look the extremely good singer, the linen-loving high-trust high-BMI Mama Cass! Such a great cultural reference, imagine the smell.
The growth of cotton was a function of the growth of the British textile industry, the creation of the cotton gin and the subsequent clearing, settlement and formation of states such as Alabama (statehood 1819) and Mississippi (statehood 1817). Indian removal was still going on in the 1830s and The bottomlands of the Mississippi Delta were still 90% undeveloped after the Civil War.
The fantasy image of the antebellum South is a time period covering in the main less time than Reagan’s inauguration to the present.I think you’re misunderstanding the attitudes of the antebellum Northern populations to slavery. There were certainly those opposed to slavery but not for the reasons you think. The hostility to slavery in many northern states and especially border states was that it allowed for the existence of freed slaves (Blacks) who, once free, tended to migrate North much to the consternation of the local Whites. The freed slaves were perceived as troublesome and were unwanted in the states to which they migrated. It was a topic that occupied much energy in the Northern state legislatures. At least one state, Illinois, went so far as to require slave owners selling slaves in advance of the end of slavery in that state to sell all of their slaves if they were to sell any. The purpose of this law was to coerce the Illinois slaveowners into selling their slaves to Southern buyers so that Illinois would not have the future burden of controlling and supporting this population. That a group of activists in the North opposed returning slaves to their Southern masters does not tell you anything about the general attitudes of the populace of these states who were generally hostile to the presence of former slaves in their midst.Jim Crow was a post-bellum Southern adaptation of Northern antebellum Black Codes.Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @deep anonymous
From the OP here (Steve Sailer’s post above, at the very top here).
Seriously, I find glue traps to be worthless. I wouldn't care if they were banned. Snap traps and poison bait are much better. PS bait traps with peanut butter, not cheese.I warn you, Men of Unz! You will long for the days when it was the Joos who were oppressing you. Our new Asian Overlords will make your former Joo Overlords look like pussycats. Get ready for the struggle session! How good are you at staying in stress positions?Replies: @Corn, @AnotherDad, @deep anonymous, @James B. Shearer, @Anon, @anon, @Mike Tre, @Twinkie, @MEH 0910, @Erik L, @PeterIke, @Twinkie, @Dry land farming, @Colin Wright, @Ed Case
And, yet, you and your family show up to eat it every Christmas, as does every other Jewish family. 😉
“Politicians in both parties are prone to this tendency to try to impose their prejudices on the whole country“
But not prolific bloggers such as yourself, Me. Sailer? I mean, I thought Jews are the bane of white existence as you so cagily have NOTICED.
No.Memo to Mr Unz.Can you please stop this bot from pestering real Unz commenters. He's up there with Nico X and meamjo.
"cruise lines": loldouble loltriple lol
You saw I already mentioned "adverse propaganda" right?out of breath
No one needs a city for this.These can and do take place anywhere. There's a reason the relatively recent hedge fund "industry" tends to be concentrated in leafy Connecticut rather than in lower Manhattan: they can be. (The most parasitical parts of the finance "industry" tend to be concentrated in Blue conurbations.)Go where the most sickos are, I guess.things_America_doesn't_do_anymore.txt
And in the rare instances America still does, as already mentioned, the ports are perfectly capable of operating without nearby cities. The era of the stevedore horde is past.replication_crisis.txt
Despite increasing investment, technological progress is slowing. How much research is really taking place in Manhattan or downtown Atlanta compared to suburban/exurban office parks and Oxbridge-esque bucolic campuses? What little progress we still get doesn't depend on cities.Replies: @Alden
The hospitals attached to university medical schools are teaching hospitals. Majority of the drs are interns and residents. Or semi skilled apprentices. Mostly affirmative action and foreigners. Even the what’s called the Attending Physician or top supervisor are affirmative action residents
If you have medical issues don’t go to a teaching hospital. Malpractice insurance companies charge teaching hospitals much higher rates because the Drs are trainees and make many more mistakes.
There is something desperately sad about the way you play “blame the Jews” whenever you get a chance these days. I thought you refrained from such commentary.
“when the pro-Israeli lobby and their fellow travelers among American Jews have made our country complicit in killing of 25,000 women and children in 100 days.”
Exactly the same logic can be applied to the pro-Russian lobby among your camp.
“He’s trying to take my guns”
That’s absurd.
“and use my tax money to kill Palestinian women and children”
Oh, he definitely is a rat. But Trump loves him. Why is that?
I mean, I thought Jews are the bane of white existence as you so cagily have NOTICED.
Can you make a comment without mentioning the word cagily?
No.
Memo to Mr Unz.
Can you please stop this bot from pestering real Unz commenters. He’s up there with Nico X and meamjo.
Try .22 rat-shot
OT:
2nd Gentleman to WEF: “American Jews Are Hated & Alone.”
OT — Another tranny planning a massacre caught. This time a younger guy at a boarding school in Colorado.
https://gazette.com/news/defense-presents-mitigation-for-teen-accused-of-planning-a-mass-shooting-at-colorado-springs-school/article_bffea5fc-b6f7-11ee-a91d-3f38d8c70912.html
Sounds plausible. From 2019.
https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/communities/san-diego/story/2019-07-16/report-says-californias-rat-population-is-exploding-but-county-data-differs
This page has a link to the full report.
https://reformcalifornia.org/news/new-report-reveals-california-cities-struggling-with-massive-rat-infestations
Also this. Emphasis in the original.
Safest and cleanest for humans. Safer than poison or snap traps. If you think snap traps dispatch the rodent consistently, you’ve not used them that much. I’ve seen a mouse crushed, but still alive. Also, mice in particular are quite good at taking food off snap traps.
I don’t enjoy having the rodents die. But, I am utterly ruthless about getting rid of them. It’s a matter of disease.
Animal cruelty is kind of a joke at this point in a country of factory farms. I respect the vegans more than this stunt by Lieu.
I don’t hunt because I don’t enjoy game meat and think sitting in a tree stand all day is boring. Hunting because of some manly pursuit is far more morally questionable. I know hunters, most of them aren’t doing it because of some cost benefit analysis of venison vs grocery store beef. They aren’t even doing it because of fear of commercial meat. They’ll eat a whopper with no problem. This is fine, whatever.
Killing a rodent, even cruelly through neglect with a glue trap is a necessary act to protect oneself from disease. Investing time and money to go kill bambi’s mom when other meat sources are available is kind of gratuitous.
It’s not necessarily about taxes, profits, millionaires and billionaires.
Steve’s original paragraph said blue cities and red rurals are dependent on each other. That is only half true IMHO.
“…then why shouldn’t we prosecute people who cross state lines to commit an act that’s illegal in their own state?”
Seems like there would be a lot of practical difficulties. Which is why (as far as I know) people were never prosecuted for going to Nevada to gamble.
Had a boss who used to say:
“You can learn something from everyone, even if it’s what not to do”
“…some of whom have been in jail over three years awaiting trial, …”
As far as I know this can only happen if they waive their right to a speedy trial. Have they done that?
I believe the M3 “Grease Gun” was issued to tank crews as late as Gulf War I. Kind of surprising, since shortened versions of the M16 had been available since the 1970s. But if a tank crewman is down to using a machine pistol, maybe it doesn’t make much difference. I think that the M3A1 version of the weapon was simpler and more reliable, and both the M3 and M3A1 were much less expensive than the Thompson.
That's messed up, bro. Wifey caught a mouse circa 2005 using a glue trap and (of course) it was my job to euthanize squeaky little mouse. I put mouse and trap in a paper sack and crushed them under the front wheel of my Corolla. Instant death. I have hand-caught a few mice since then and always place them in a baggie of some sort and crush them underwheel. Drowning is brutal, man.Replies: @Ralph L, @Renard
I killed a baby bunny with a shovel. He’d been hit by a lawnmower but not killed.
Years later, I rescued another baby bunny from the jaws of the neighbor’s cat, and he shat all over my shirt.
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*Not coincidentally, the likelihood of the enactment of which is nil. Don't all gasp at once.Replies: @Anon
Me and countless others realize that an embryo is not the same thing as a seven-year-old. The people are getting sick of your pregnancy fetish.
All it would take is a Prez, a majority of the House, and 50 Senators + the VP. The Senate filibuster is nowhere in the U.S. Constitution, a majority of the Senators can remove it at any time.
Maoist craziness aside, the Chinese have had civilization for a few thousand years. It’s one of the oldest civilizations, as you know.
I’d say the big difference is that they never had Christianization. More explicitly the process of broad empathy building under Christianity. (Moderns would be pretty shocked if they time travelled back to ancient Rome and took in the level of cruelty and barbarism.) In a fight–in a war–Christians can and have been as nasty as the next guy. But the West’s general standards against cruelty have been on a long upswing. (I’d argue in some sense “too far”. That’s you don’t want to throw out effective/deterring use of force to enforce civilized behavior with the “cruelty bathwater”.)
Another factor just as responsible if not more so is the theory that Europeans executed all their criminals in the Early Modern Era to such a degree that they weren't able to reproduce. Europeans cleared the undesirables out of their gene pool. Europeans were domesticated. I'm pretty sure Steve has written about this.
Christians were still burning annoying old biddies as witches into the 1600s. Slavery is cruel and worldwide, so no apologies should be forthcoming, but the slave trade into the Western Hemisphere was characterized by shocking disregard for human life and cruelty. No worse than slavery in the Middle East or East Asia, but still.
The point is, you really don't have to go back to Roman times to find gratuitous cruelty in European societies.Replies: @Anonymous
If you’ve got a severe pest problem, give the pros a call, sez I.Replies: @Jack D
Always a good idea to call a pro if your amateur efforts are not working.
Cholecalciferol (Vitamin D3) is now a standard rodenticide. It is the active ingredient in the d-Con blocks that they sell in the supermarket.
https://www.d-conproducts.com/learn/how-d-con-mouse-bait-works/
D3 causes your body to increase calcium absorption. In mouse bait, the rodent takes a massive overdose of D3, like a human swallowing 2,000 Vitamin D3 tablets. This causes the rodent to absorb so much calcium that it dies of kidney failure.
It’s still not safe for your pets to eat the bait directly (and there is no antidote) so you still have to keep the stuff away from pets but if a pet or a wild animal nibbles on a rodent that has been killed with Cholecalciferol (scavenger animals will often eat dead rodents that they find – hey, it’s a living) he’ll just get a nice healthy dose of Vitamin D3.
So, glue traps are the new “eating horse”. Check!
OT:
Pax Americana took an odd turn in the Biden years. A can of sanctions busting Coca-Cola sold in Moscow was made in Afghanistan. At 4:45 in the video:
average MOSCOW life! *they were wrong* 🇷🇺 Russia vlog – YouTube
Coke can with old design from Afghanistan, found in central Russia while visiting my relatives
https://www.reddit.com/r/cocacola/comments/14khmsm/coke_can_with_old_design_from_afghanistan_found/
Coca-Cola being shipped from Taliban ruled Kabul to sanctioned Russia: Americanism without America.
Probably just time weighing heavily on his hands.
Probably just too much time weighing heavily on his hands.
What cop is going to enforce rat trap compliance, anyway?
You go to a lot of European, Asian and South American countries (no need to mention Africa), and the facts on the ground are totally at odds with the "plan," whatever it happens to be ATM. The US was not one of those countries, but it's getting there.
Really at this point we have no choice. Compliance is counterproductive and stupid in many cases. I mean, who thinks we should listen to Ted Lieu besides Ted Lieu?Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @anonymous, @Sam Hildebrand, @Erik L, @Rob Lee
There’s a very popular bumper sticker here in mid-Pennsylvania: “If they choose which laws to enforce, I’ll choose which laws to obey.”
That's messed up, bro. Wifey caught a mouse circa 2005 using a glue trap and (of course) it was my job to euthanize squeaky little mouse. I put mouse and trap in a paper sack and crushed them under the front wheel of my Corolla. Instant death. I have hand-caught a few mice since then and always place them in a baggie of some sort and crush them underwheel. Drowning is brutal, man.Replies: @Ralph L, @Renard
See how he proposes to treat Palestinians and all becomes clear. Granted Jews consider Arabs no better than animals anyway.
LOL, JackD may be obnoxious, but he’s assimilated quite well. Just like Indians (dot), Kenyans, and Guatamalsns. It’s ironic that you are employing the same argument that these and other groups are incapable of becoming part of “white society” when your own ancestors faced exactly the same scrutiny by nativists.
As usual, straight for the ad hominem.
Rat killing is a highly intermittent need and so not amenable to a black market/smuggling solution. Scofflaws would have to make their own.Replies: @Bill P
You can have fentanyl shipped to your door by the USPS and you don’t think people can get around glue trap bans?
2nd, the point of these prohibitions is not to eliminate 100% of glue traps (or lousy LED bulbs or whatever). Yes, some people are still going to have some mailed in (they'll ask their fentanyl supplier to throw a few glue traps in the box) and people will smuggle them in from Mexico and sell them at bodegas or something. But most people shop for stuff like this at the supermarket or Home Depot, Wal-Mart, Amazon, the dollar store, etc. If you can close off the mainstream channels you can kill 90+% of the sales if not 100%.Replies: @Bill P
Simple, he wants more money for Ukraine, because banksters, corporations, and war profiteers are making loads of money in that corrupt country. Even the Biden family made money in Ukraine. So he offers a compromise on the border to get the House to vote for more funding for the war in Ukraine. That is, he’s willing to cut the 3 million illegals a year down to just two million.
They make an A26 model that's supposedly big enough for squirrels, but isn't sold in America. I once got a small (and apparently slow) squirrel with a regular spring-type rat trap, but the normal squirrels just shrug those off.
The realization of a Ted Lieu-size version is left as an exercise for the reader.
https://youtu.be/N4T_O6KNAPwReplies: @Curle
What’s wrong with squirrels aside from giving dogs something to bark at? Raccoons on the other hand.
The squirrel I nailed with a rat snap trap was an accident - I was surprised to see it lying there (possibly as surprised as the squirrel). I don't normally try to kill squirrels because they're more of a pain to dispose of. Medium power electric fencing will usually keep them out of the garden beds until the plants can get a foothold.
With regard to rats, glue traps are more of a mouse thing - they won't hold an adult city bull rat. Snap traps are hit and miss - half the time, you hear them trip, go check and there's nothing there. The A24 (a hammer activated by CO2 cannisters) makes an extremely satisfying Whack! sound, but I have never had a rat infestation severe enough to justify the expense. There is one poison that works really well, but of course, it's banned in California, so Steve is out of luck.
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/aq8AAOSwL7VWh86M/s-l400.jpg
You already had your party, so what’s this now?
First of all, Lieu is proposing a Federal ban, not just a CA ban.
2nd, the point of these prohibitions is not to eliminate 100% of glue traps (or lousy LED bulbs or whatever). Yes, some people are still going to have some mailed in (they’ll ask their fentanyl supplier to throw a few glue traps in the box) and people will smuggle them in from Mexico and sell them at bodegas or something. But most people shop for stuff like this at the supermarket or Home Depot, Wal-Mart, Amazon, the dollar store, etc. If you can close off the mainstream channels you can kill 90+% of the sales if not 100%.
This, btw, is a strong defender of abortion who calls himself a Catholic. Yes to abortion, no to mousetraps. How do you make that argument?Replies: @Erik L
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https://images.baklol.com/1_jpegee44ff212cea7965fa72c357b8eca7e1.jpegReplies: @Alden
Jews haven’t done that for 100 or more years. Besides all that pork and shrimp Asian food isn’t kosher. I wonder if that really happened. Why go out on a day when only Asian restaurants were open? Stay home sleep in play cards listen to the radio radio had plays in those days read a book play with your kids yell at your kids kick them out to play in the snow gossip about your friends Maybe it happened on the east coast. But most California Asians at the time were either Christian or happy to celebrate secular Christmas., right before Asian New Year. It’s really spring festival. Even use the same red and gold decorations.
https://www.vox.com/the-goods/2018/12/21/18151903/history-jews-chinese-food-christmas-kosher-american
One aspect.Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Twinkie
https://hoodmaps.com/pyongyang-neighborhood-map
As well as...
15 African countries with satellites in orbit
Of the 48 listed, 19 are in Arab states and 12 in South Africa. For black Africa, Nigeria leads with six and Ethiopia two, which is pretty pathetic on a per capita basis. Mauritius leads there.
Oh, and coming to your town...
Kenya doubles down on exporting labor
They even have a "labor migration desk" at the airport, presumably in the departure lounge.
Are we sure The Jewish Daily Forward isn’t just one massive trolling operation of the Unz Review. Actual headline from today:
Imagine believing this lmao
No glue required.
2nd, the point of these prohibitions is not to eliminate 100% of glue traps (or lousy LED bulbs or whatever). Yes, some people are still going to have some mailed in (they'll ask their fentanyl supplier to throw a few glue traps in the box) and people will smuggle them in from Mexico and sell them at bodegas or something. But most people shop for stuff like this at the supermarket or Home Depot, Wal-Mart, Amazon, the dollar store, etc. If you can close off the mainstream channels you can kill 90+% of the sales if not 100%.Replies: @Bill P
I guess so but how is it that we ended up with men who exercise power in such a way? Isn’t it absurd on the face of it? I mean, you’re a congressman, and you choose to take a stand for… mice?
This, btw, is a strong defender of abortion who calls himself a Catholic. Yes to abortion, no to mousetraps. How do you make that argument?
I (and Jack) are just saying this is not like drug prohibition.
Cholecalciferol (Vitamin D3) is now a standard rodenticide. It is the active ingredient in the d-Con blocks that they sell in the supermarket.
https://www.d-conproducts.com/learn/how-d-con-mouse-bait-works/
D3 causes your body to increase calcium absorption. In mouse bait, the rodent takes a massive overdose of D3, like a human swallowing 2,000 Vitamin D3 tablets. This causes the rodent to absorb so much calcium that it dies of kidney failure.
It's still not safe for your pets to eat the bait directly (and there is no antidote) so you still have to keep the stuff away from pets but if a pet or a wild animal nibbles on a rodent that has been killed with Cholecalciferol (scavenger animals will often eat dead rodents that they find - hey, it's a living) he'll just get a nice healthy dose of Vitamin D3.Replies: @J.Ross
Trying to look up how much D3 Fauci admitted to taking in private emails to another doctor and all the results are these Mao-worthy up-is-down rewritings of history. One NPR story quoted a correspondent at length as she gushed that Fauci somehow had time for her question.
The basis of it was that the Jew was the Chinese’s landlord and ate free. I once met a Chinese-American anti-Semite who felt that Jewish landlords had exploited Chinese immigrants.
Maybe Declaration of Independence? Life liberty and the pursuit of happiness? Life , rats cause diseases happiness, rats are nasty scary and icky
Glue traps don’t work for rats anyway. Maybe for mice. Maybe if the traps were bigger with a thicker layer of glue.
Fleas lice cockroaches bedbugs termites once eradicated brought back by woke faggot commie liberal environmentalists global warming brainwashed zombies.
A rat ate a baby’s nose off in a local apartment. The baby was on an apnea monitor and the parents were asleep nearby. Unfortunately, by the time the baby awakened them, the child was disfigured for life.
Caring about the suffering of rats over people gives new macabre meaning to leapfrogging loyalties.
The growth of cotton was a function of the growth of the British textile industry, the creation of the cotton gin and the subsequent clearing, settlement and formation of states such as Alabama (statehood 1819) and Mississippi (statehood 1817). Indian removal was still going on in the 1830s and The bottomlands of the Mississippi Delta were still 90% undeveloped after the Civil War.
The fantasy image of the antebellum South is a time period covering in the main less time than Reagan’s inauguration to the present.I think you’re misunderstanding the attitudes of the antebellum Northern populations to slavery. There were certainly those opposed to slavery but not for the reasons you think. The hostility to slavery in many northern states and especially border states was that it allowed for the existence of freed slaves (Blacks) who, once free, tended to migrate North much to the consternation of the local Whites. The freed slaves were perceived as troublesome and were unwanted in the states to which they migrated. It was a topic that occupied much energy in the Northern state legislatures. At least one state, Illinois, went so far as to require slave owners selling slaves in advance of the end of slavery in that state to sell all of their slaves if they were to sell any. The purpose of this law was to coerce the Illinois slaveowners into selling their slaves to Southern buyers so that Illinois would not have the future burden of controlling and supporting this population. That a group of activists in the North opposed returning slaves to their Southern masters does not tell you anything about the general attitudes of the populace of these states who were generally hostile to the presence of former slaves in their midst.Jim Crow was a post-bellum Southern adaptation of Northern antebellum Black Codes.Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @deep anonymous
I don’t recall where I saw it, but years ago I saw on TV a snip about a Connecticut town in the early 20th Century (probably 1930s) that had a sundown law–it forbade Blacks! (then called “Negroes”) from being out in public after sunset. Pretty sure that was not an uncommon practice in the North in those days.
This odd site has a list of alleged Sundown Towns in Connecticut. Being familiar with the state I can say without hesitation that it's largely ridiculous. The majority of these are smaller, sometimes rural communities that even today have very few blacks either in-town or in close proximity. That of course would have been even more so back in the 1930's - Connecticut was less than 2% black in the 1940 Census, with most of them in Hartford, New Haven or Bridgeport
https://justice.tougaloo.edu/location/connecticut/
http://slavenorth.com/pennrace.htm
http://slavenorth.com/exclusion.htm
Indentured servant information.
http://slavenorth.com/paemancip.htm
http://slavenorth.com/denial.htm
OT — Get woke, go broke. Imagine being able to screw up “looking at pretty girls;” that’s the kind of stupidity which requires a college education.
Still, I can understand why readers wouldn’t appreciate it.Replies: @J.Ross
That’s not a question that would be asked by someone who had ever planted a garden, or a fruit tree, or owned a house with an attic. Squirrels are among the most destructive little bastards around. That said, raccoons are much worse (and usually carrying rabies). But raccoons do their dirty deeds at night. Squirrels, at least in the suburbs, will dig up your bulbs and eat your rose hips in broad daylight in full view.
The squirrel I nailed with a rat snap trap was an accident – I was surprised to see it lying there (possibly as surprised as the squirrel). I don’t normally try to kill squirrels because they’re more of a pain to dispose of. Medium power electric fencing will usually keep them out of the garden beds until the plants can get a foothold.
With regard to rats, glue traps are more of a mouse thing – they won’t hold an adult city bull rat. Snap traps are hit and miss – half the time, you hear them trip, go check and there’s nothing there. The A24 (a hammer activated by CO2 cannisters) makes an extremely satisfying Whack! sound, but I have never had a rat infestation severe enough to justify the expense. There is one poison that works really well, but of course, it’s banned in California, so Steve is out of luck.
Squirrels will sneak inside and eat the insulation off your house wiring. My original roof vent fans had plastic screens, which they got through. I found some attic insulation on the lawn.
The destruction of federalism has come with minoritarianism, which inherently is about forcing the majority to stop doing what they want and having the bossy super-state go out and impose minority protection--and minority supremacy--on the obnoxious gentile peasants.
And attitudinally a lot of "we are smarter", "we are know better"--from the people who always think they are smarter and know better. The whole "Experts say ..." line in a NYT piece captures the attitude and tenor of our era perfectly. This has ossified as the attitude and ideology of our age.
This has not only nuked American federalism, but is essentially a repudiation of the core idea of the American Revolution--that people have the natural right to govern themselves.
Saying it was a "coup" against the Constitution or a counter-revolution is not wrong.Replies: @Anon, @Bill Jones, @Ian M.
What does this even mean? Isn’t this just another one of those mindless classical liberal platitudes that sounds good but doesn’t have much substantive content? Sorta like ‘equal protection under the law’?
Unless we’re talking about small city-states – and even there it’s debatable – people don’t govern themselves. There is always a small elite class that rules, and this is as true now as it was at the founding of this country. This has been understood at least since Pareto; by now it’s a commonplace.
On the contrary, what we see today is the logical working out of the fundamental principles of the Revolution. It’s true enough that the founders would be horrified by modern America, but then, no one can understand the full implications of his worldview.
You’re miffed because Grant put you on the lowest white ethnic rung. Don’t blame me, blame HbD.
My sense is Jews going to Chinese restaurants on Christmas Day is more of a NYC thing.
https://www.vox.com/the-goods/2018/12/21/18151903/history-jews-chinese-food-christmas-kosher-american
One aspect.
As well as...15 African countries with satellites in orbit
Of the 48 listed, 19 are in Arab states and 12 in South Africa. For black Africa, Nigeria leads with six and Ethiopia two, which is pretty pathetic on a per capita basis. Mauritius leads there.Oh, and coming to your town...Kenya doubles down on exporting laborThey even have a "labor migration desk" at the airport, presumably in the departure lounge.
Tonight I learned that there is a Little Italy in Pyongyang:
https://hoodmaps.com/pyongyang-neighborhood-map
As well as…
15 African countries with satellites in orbit
Of the 48 listed, 19 are in Arab states and 12 in South Africa. For black Africa, Nigeria leads with six and Ethiopia two, which is pretty pathetic on a per capita basis. Mauritius leads there.
Oh, and coming to your town…
Kenya doubles down on exporting labor
They even have a “labor migration desk” at the airport, presumably in the departure lounge.
https://www.vox.com/the-goods/2018/12/21/18151903/history-jews-chinese-food-christmas-kosher-american
One aspect.Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Twinkie
Tonight I learned that there is a Little Italy in Pyongyang, on the river: https://hoodmaps.com/pyongyang-neighborhood-map
As well as…
15 African countries with satellites in orbit
Of the 48 listed, 19 are in Arab states and 12 in South Africa. For black Africa, Nigeria leads with six and Ethiopia two, which is pretty pathetic on a per capita basis. Mauritius leads there.
Oh, and coming to your town…
Kenya doubles down on exporting labor
They even have a “labor migration desk” at the airport, presumably in the departure lounge.
I think federalism is a good thing…. we are a large diverse nation. California is not Texas, Florida is not New York. I don’t think leftists can really conceive of federalism though. If abortion is a sacred right for a woman in Oregon, why wouldn’t it be a sacred right for a woman in Arkansas?
If a kid in New York should be free to “be themselves” and get top surgery, so should a kid in Florida.
I’m not saying the right is flawless on this. After Dobbs a lot of prolifers started popping off about a federal abortion ban rather than simply taking the W with Dobbs. I think the Left is the main obstacle though. I think their worldview and judicial philosophy can no longer really conceive of devolution or federalism.Replies: @Ian M.
Federalism is perfectly rational for issues like property taxes, gun laws, traffic laws, criminal sentencing, etc.
But issues like abortion, ‘transgender’ issues, marriage, etc. are not like that, because they reflect underlying differences in fundamental ideology. For a nation to maintain itself, it cannot tolerate such fundamental differences, especially when such differences strike at the legitimizing principle of the state.
It is one thing for different states to handle abortion differently, which states do generally with respect to matters pertaining to criminal and civil law, but it is another for some states to declare that abortion is murder and for others to declare that a woman has a right to abortion, as this reflects fundamental differences in worldviews. Such a state of affairs is not stable. It would be as though some states were to adopt Communism and others Nazism. A nation comprised of such states would not last long.
A large portion of the South had already seceded by the time Lincoln had become President.
It is certainly not insane for a nation’s leader to expend men to maintain his nation, the sacred duty of rulers everywhere.
Royal Navy own-goal. Who needs Houthis (when you have DIE)?
British warship is out of action after crashing into another Royal Navy vessel
Sources say there was no timeline yet for when the vessel can return to duties
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12985495/British-warship-action-crashing-Royal-Navy-vessel.html
I would have assumed the Royal Navy was better than this but apparently they're not. Every day we get another sign the West has lost it.Replies: @Jonathan Mason
https://www.offshoreinjuryfirm.com/maritime-law/maritime-law-glossary/what-is-an-allision-Any word if DIE was involved? Or has it reached the point everywhere (not just crime articles) where if the responsible party is not labeled WHITE MALE! we can assume so?Replies: @Mike Tre, @J.Ross, @Almost Missouri
On screen, Cagney never actually said the line “You dirty rat!”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxi!Neither the first nor last time a quote has been modified.Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
They’re perfectly humane if you check them often and kill the mice quickly when they get stuck
My Akita breeders lost money on my dog, considering the money they spent on importing their dogs, the regular vet checkups, the genetic testing, the vaccinations, etc. etc. They do it for the love of the breed and its propagation.
Hobby breeders are generally very responsible. There is a pretty clear line between them and the puppy mills or the backyard breeders. The problems are:
1. There are not enough hobby breeders to cater to all the demand for puppies.
2. Most consumers are not all that discerning or responsible.
What are you talking about? Many of my Jewish friends growing up went to eat Chinese with their families on Christmas.
My wife came from rural Midwest, but even the two Jewish families she knew went to – you guessed it – the local Chinese restaurant on Christmas. Among her friends, the joke was literally that the two Jewish girls knew each other well because they were literally the only two families eating at that restaurant for Christmas for decades!
Do you have a reading disability?
It doesn’t say, “That wasn’t pork.” Careful now – you might be accused by a Jew of not having any sense of humor.
https://www.vox.com/the-goods/2018/12/21/18151903/history-jews-chinese-food-christmas-kosher-american
One aspect.Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Twinkie
Ugh, from you link:
It. Just. Never. Stops. Every chance, every chance they get, it’s the Victimest People Evah and you evil Nazi goyim.
You left out the fun part:
Now you see why Jack D didn’t reply to my ribbing about him going to the Chinese on Christmas for supposed rat meat (per his “joke”)? He knew all along, but it’s safe treyf, you see. 😉
By the way, I don’t know what it’s like now, but it used to be common for kids after Bar Mitzvah to go “eat the white meat (pork)” in Israel.
Well, somebody had the Christmas spirit, eh?
Religious/secular are much more polarized in Israel than it is in the US - it's generally Orthodox or nothing. Orthodox people have bar mitzvahs but don't eat pork. Secular people eat pork but don't have bar mitzvahs. The few "in between" people are mostly American Jews who have made aliyah or Israelis who have lived in America. The fact that you heard this anecdote itself shows its scandalous nature. If it was routine then no one would tell a story about it.Replies: @IHTG, @Twinkie
I almost quoted the bit you added, but decided it redirected from my point. Thanks for adding it.
What on Earth is “cruel” about them?
“They’re inhumane and can be dangerous to humans and their pets.”
As long as you don’t use them on humans, they can’t be inhumane. I’m unaware of them being dangerous to people or pets, and suspect that Ted Lieu is just blowing smoke, and sucking up to animal rights fanatics, or is one himself.
I had great success using a glue trap to catch a mouse, circa 1988, which I then held in the toilet bowl, until the mouse drowned.
It was in the shape of a large box for wooden matches. But it wasn’t enough.
First, I tried a little spring trap, using peanut butter as bait, which I placed on the ground, between the stove and the sink. But the mouse would sense the trap (presumably with its whiskers), and avoid it. So I placed a big jug of Gallo wine, which I used for cooking poiposses, at the end of the runway. Still, no good. Finally, I bought the matchbox, with the glue on the bottom half.
When I heard and spotted the mouse behind the stove at night, I jumped and probably shouted at it, which incited it to turn ‘round and run. Like most thieves, it was in such a frenzy to escape that it could not make sense of all the sensory data it was getting in time, and in trying to fly through the big matchbox, got caught, splayed out on the glue, on its belly.
To Ted Lieu, the only “cruelty” to the glue traps, is that they work. He wants to be inhumane and cruel to humans, and aid and abet rodents, as if they were black or brown criminals.Replies: @Jack D, @Bill Jones, @Its not me, @Je Suis Omar Mateen, @James J. O'Meara
I hear it works on small children too, you fucking psychopath.
If you have medical issues don’t go to a teaching hospital. Malpractice insurance companies charge teaching hospitals much higher rates because the Drs are trainees and make many more mistakes.Replies: @JPS, @Almost Missouri
So Hillary shouldn’t have gone to university hospital to let all those students see the extent of her brain damage, eh?
You don’t want those forelocks to get stuck on glue in the tunnels!
You’re about 100 years behind the times. Or your knowledge of Jews and kosher comes from Meyer Levin Saul Belloe books.
Hey now, you go too far here!
I don’t hunt much these days, but back when I did a lot of it, my wife used to complain that we were eating very expensive sausage and jerky, given the cost that went into outfitting the hunter (me), not to mention the time and effort.
I don’t eat much, if any, fast food. The last time I had Chik-Fil-A was months ago. Any other fast food, probably years ago.
There is something deeply appealing, maybe even atavistic, about tracking or stalking an animal – outwitting it in its own environment – and then eating off the effort. Like eating the vegetable you grew is tastier. And doing it with my own children? Priceless.
But this stuff exists simultaneously in a culture that humanizes animals, particularly dogs. This is not a blue-haired, college lesbian thing. One sees this in heartland country. We should blanch at any cruelty to any animal and yet gratuitously go into the woods to kill an animal when it really isn't necessary.
People who engage in wanton or preplanned neglect or cruelty to animals should be identified and punished. It's usually a sign of other things, see no further than Jeffrey Dahmer.
But the wellbeing of any animal should be far less of a concern with human needs and safety.Replies: @anarchyst, @Twinkie
If you have medical issues don’t go to a teaching hospital. Malpractice insurance companies charge teaching hospitals much higher rates because the Drs are trainees and make many more mistakes.Replies: @JPS, @Almost Missouri
Thanks.
There is someone is teaching all those interns and residents, no?
I don’t spend much time around hospitals, though I did have one occasion to take an elderly relative to a big university hospital. Was it a teaching hospital? I dunno. It was at a big university, so I guess so. Anyway, I met everyone involved with the surgery: a very experienced surgeon/specialist, an experienced anesthesiologist, and a couple of residents/interns/apprentices/whateveryoucallems. I was favorably impressed by everyone, and the surgery went as well as possible.
I have one. Father-in-law developed glioblastoma multiforme. There's no hope for it -- average life expectancy after diagnosis is 12 months. This, in the rural-est part of Montana: population for the whole county is 9500. And yet, astonishingly, an incredibly talented neurosurgeon lived there. Father-in-law got his brain surgery at the local little hospital. I was favorably impressed by everyone, and the surgery went as well as possible.
*Weirdly, the neurosurgeon a few years later ALSO developed glioblastoma. What? Is it contagious??Replies: @Joe Stalin, @Alden
Presently the answer is by borrowing trillions of dollars you can’t repay.
When that ends—as it eventually must, the next solution is likely to be ruthless coercion.
I agree completely. It’s a worthwhile pursuit. In fact, hunters are performing a service. Whitetail deer are a pest.
But this stuff exists simultaneously in a culture that humanizes animals, particularly dogs. This is not a blue-haired, college lesbian thing. One sees this in heartland country. We should blanch at any cruelty to any animal and yet gratuitously go into the woods to kill an animal when it really isn’t necessary.
People who engage in wanton or preplanned neglect or cruelty to animals should be identified and punished. It’s usually a sign of other things, see no further than Jeffrey Dahmer.
But the wellbeing of any animal should be far less of a concern with human needs and safety.
The environmentalist movement was quite successful in infantilizing the general public by making outlandish claims, giving animals rights, among other things
I call it the “disneyfication” of animals, raising animals up to the status of humans, imbuing human qualities on them-Walt Disney and his animal cartoons, Bambi, among others, is responsible for turning adult humans into animal-worshipping crazies-the roots of rabid environmentalism also has its start with disney cartoons.
The “disneyfication” of animals has done more to damage the concept of man having dominion over other living things and has contributed greatly to our present crop of anti-hunters and pro-animal activists.
If and when civilization collapses, you can bet that this “disneyfication” of animals along with gun control (actually people control) will go away, people will be too busy looking for their next meal.
PETA=people eating tasty animals.
It is interesting to note that these same “animal lovers” have no problem with human babies being ripped out of their mothers’ wombs. In fact, bald eagles and other species have MORE protections than pre-born and now post-born humans. Go figure...
Yes, look at the pin he is wearing.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1748429118792769912Replies: @Cagey Beast, @res
Thanks. I found this story on it:
British warship is out of action after crashing into another Royal Navy vessel
Sources say there was no timeline yet for when the vessel can return to duties
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12985495/British-warship-action-crashing-Royal-Navy-vessel.html
I would have assumed the Royal Navy was better than this but apparently they’re not. Every day we get another sign the West has lost it.
Pelosi, Haley, Hillary, all the same chick.
https://www.voanews.com/a/which-us-states-get-more-than-they-give/4809228.html
https://gdb.voanews.com/63710246-746A-418A-9407-C412FE44A54E_w1597_n_r0_st_s.jpgReplies: @Almost Missouri
One can see the Miltiary-Industiral Complex (VA, AK, HI) pretty clearly, the Welfare State (MD) and welfare recipients (MS, AL).
The net payors are basically the wealthy northeastern states (CT, NY, NJ, MA), who don’t complain too much since, I suppose, much of their “private” profits come from the fruits of the MIC and Welfare State.
An interesting side note is that the sum of net payors is obviously much less than the sum of net payees: more people are getting paid than are paying, and more money is paid out than in. How can this be? The difference is mainly Federal borrowing/printing of money, … which also explains why this won’t stop until outright currency collapse, if even then. That false surplus of money literally is the only thing holding the country together. No one likes it, but with trillions of ‘extra’ dollars being handed out, no one will walk away from the gravy train either. Besides that everyone likes ‘free’ money, not taking it might have consequences.
Pax Americana took an odd turn in the Biden years. A can of sanctions busting Coca-Cola sold in Moscow was made in Afghanistan. At 4:45 in the video:
average MOSCOW life! *they were wrong* 🇷🇺 Russia vlog - YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwaSRE-M5EMReplies: @Cagey Beast
I did a search to see if anyone else is buying Coke from Afghanistan:
Coke can with old design from Afghanistan, found in central Russia while visiting my relatives
Coca-Cola being shipped from Taliban ruled Kabul to sanctioned Russia: Americanism without America.
Ok, well, anecdotes.
I have one. Father-in-law developed glioblastoma multiforme. There’s no hope for it — average life expectancy after diagnosis is 12 months. This, in the rural-est part of Montana: population for the whole county is 9500. And yet, astonishingly, an incredibly talented neurosurgeon lived there. Father-in-law got his brain surgery at the local little hospital. I was favorably impressed by everyone, and the surgery went as well as possible.
*Weirdly, the neurosurgeon a few years later ALSO developed glioblastoma. What? Is it contagious??
The Federal Government prosecutes crimes that are forbidden under international treaties.
The joy of the United States is that there are 50 different states that have different laws, so if you don’t like the laws in one state you can freely move to another.
British warship is out of action after crashing into another Royal Navy vessel
Sources say there was no timeline yet for when the vessel can return to duties
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12985495/British-warship-action-crashing-Royal-Navy-vessel.html
I would have assumed the Royal Navy was better than this but apparently they're not. Every day we get another sign the West has lost it.Replies: @Jonathan Mason
You would think they would have cameras for reversing.
In our more woke environment the line would be “you dirty brudder, you killed my rat!”
I don’t recall where I saw it, but years ago I saw on TV a snip about a Connecticut town in the early 20th Century (probably 1930s) that had a sundown law–it forbade Blacks! (then called “Negroes”) from being out in public after sunset. Pretty sure that was not an uncommon practice in the North in those days.
This odd site has a list of alleged Sundown Towns in Connecticut. Being familiar with the state I can say without hesitation that it’s largely ridiculous. The majority of these are smaller, sometimes rural communities that even today have very few blacks either in-town or in close proximity. That of course would have been even more so back in the 1930’s – Connecticut was less than 2% black in the 1940 Census, with most of them in Hartford, New Haven or Bridgeport
https://justice.tougaloo.edu/location/connecticut/
I highly doubt the thing about eating pork after your bar mitzvah in Israel is at all common. I can’t say that has NEVER happened but it’s not common.
Religious/secular are much more polarized in Israel than it is in the US – it’s generally Orthodox or nothing. Orthodox people have bar mitzvahs but don’t eat pork. Secular people eat pork but don’t have bar mitzvahs. The few “in between” people are mostly American Jews who have made aliyah or Israelis who have lived in America. The fact that you heard this anecdote itself shows its scandalous nature. If it was routine then no one would tell a story about it.
And in the past, pork-eating (euphemistically called the "white meat") was surprisingly widespread and tolerated and was sometimes a treat demanded by teenagers after Bar Mitzvah. On top of that, the Israeli pork consumption rose further as immigrants from Russia arrived in large numbers.
Now, Israel is undergoing that polarization you wrote of and pork consumption is declining significantly: https://www.haaretz.com/food/2023-04-20/ty-article-magazine/.premium/farewell-shrimp-and-pork-israel-really-is-becoming-more-kosher/00000187-9472-d484-adef-f6f6ed330000Replies: @Jack D
https://usafacts.org/articles/which-states-rely-the-most-on-federal-aid/Percentage of Total Revenue from Federal Government
Vermont 35.8%
West Virginia 34.1%
Alaska 33.9%
Louisiana 33.4%
South Dakota 33.0%
Mississippi 32.4%
Kentucky 32.2%
Montana 32.1%
New Mexico 32.1%
Wyoming 31.9%
Arizona 30.1%
Rhode Island 29.8%
Delaware 29.2%
Maine 28.3%
Arkansas 28.2%
District of Columbia 27.7%
Idaho 26.9%
Alabama 26.6%
Indiana 26.4%
North Dakota 25.7%
Missouri 25.5%
New Hampshire 25.2%
Michigan 25.1%
Oklahoma 24.2%
Pennsylvania 24.1%
Oregon 23.2%
South Carolina 22.7%
Tennessee 22.3%
Maryland 22.1%
North Carolina 22.0%
Massachusetts 21.4%
New York 21.1%
Ohio 21.0%
Texas 20.5%
Florida 20.0%
Connecticut 20.0%
Iowa 19.9%
Minnesota 19.7%
Hawaii 19.2%
Virginia 18.9%
Nebraska 18.8%
Georgia 18.8%
Nevada 18.4%
Kansas 18.3%
Illinois 18.1%
California 17.8%
New Jersey 16.8%
Wisconsin 16.1%
Utah 16.1%
Washington 16.0%
Colorado 15.9%Replies: @Gandydancer, @Almost Missouri, @Bill Jones
My guess is that about 100% of D C ‘s revenue comes from the Federal Government. It’s just washed through lobbyists and NGO’s etc.
This, btw, is a strong defender of abortion who calls himself a Catholic. Yes to abortion, no to mousetraps. How do you make that argument?Replies: @Erik L
Certainly the position is at the very least strange for a US congressman to take. Maybe he is trying to sleep with a girl who thinks the glue traps are mean?
I (and Jack) are just saying this is not like drug prohibition.
How could I almost forget these Lawn Guyland legends?
https://youtu.be/oNwHq3RF5YQ?si=xnFBn2dFPCI_ESfj
https://youtu.be/NP2IgV6_2aQ?si=Xkkepv2D7obVqecDReplies: @Known Fact
Or The ‘Rat
Indeed, Dimon just had a meeting with Zelensky at Davos. The show must go on, to the last Ukrainian.
Religious/secular are much more polarized in Israel than it is in the US - it's generally Orthodox or nothing. Orthodox people have bar mitzvahs but don't eat pork. Secular people eat pork but don't have bar mitzvahs. The few "in between" people are mostly American Jews who have made aliyah or Israelis who have lived in America. The fact that you heard this anecdote itself shows its scandalous nature. If it was routine then no one would tell a story about it.Replies: @IHTG, @Twinkie
Absolutely not true.
I recall reading a letter to the editor where somebody was complaining about these glue traps. The letter writer said that the employees of the hospital where these traps were placed could hear the sounds of the animals attempting to escape and sometimes they would do so, except some body parts were left behind. Drowning is painful, too.
When I lived in a mouse-prone house, I used live traps, and then “disposed” of the unharmed animal into a nearby forest. (OK, to be truthful, I ordered my offspring to do the deed.) Same with pests in the garden (squirrels, etc. & larger). Our neighbor smirked that “they’ll just come back”. Maybe, maybe not. I’ll leave animal torture to those who have an uncontrollable need to do it.
By the way, in areas where there are a lot of mice, rats, etc., you have to consider the conditions which make the areas so attractive to rodents. Prevention, people. At least to some degree.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1748429118792769912Replies: @Cagey Beast, @res
Word of the day: allision.
https://www.offshoreinjuryfirm.com/maritime-law/maritime-law-glossary/what-is-an-allision-
Any word if DIE was involved? Or has it reached the point everywhere (not just crime articles) where if the responsible party is not labeled WHITE MALE! we can assume so?
Of course good luck finding that information on any mainstrea site, although the following website has a very slick interactive timeline displayed of a recreation of the collision:
https://features.propublica.org/navy-accidents/uss-fitzgerald-destroyer-crash-crystal/
Since you brought up allision, I guess you could say that accidents will happen ...
https://theothermccain.com/2018/06/17/tip-pentagon-covering-up-fact-that-female-officers-nearly-sank-navy-ship/
Well, he said something much like it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxi!
Neither the first nor last time a quote has been modified.
Agreed about the inability to not go there.
I almost quoted the bit you added, but decided it redirected from my point. Thanks for adding it.
It is certainly not insane for a nation's leader to expend men to maintain his nation, the sacred duty of rulers everywhere.Replies: @Chris Mallory
Except under the Constitution of that nation there was no provision delegating the power to prevent states from leaving the compact to the Federal government.
Constituent of any legitimate government’s authority is the authority to maintain itself and its integrity. If it did not have this authority, it would not be a legitimate nation, but rather would be a mere confederation of nations, something like the E.U. or the U.N. Supposing (for sake of argument) even that the Constitution had explicitly stated that the states had the unilateral right to leave the Union, such a statement would be a contradiction to the very nature of the authority which gave the Constitution its authoritative nature in the first place. Such a self-limitation on its authority would make no sense.
By the way, the United States does not derive her authority from the Constitution. For the Constitution to have had any binding force in the first place, America must have already had a sense of her prior legitimacy. The Constitution derives its legitimacy from the authority of the United States, not vice-versa. So the authority of the United States must outstrip and transcend what is explicitly listed in the Constitution.Replies: @Anon, @Curle, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Reg Cæsar
I much prefer glue traps because I have had mice mortally injured by spring traps and had them crawl away to die and stink in a hidden or inaccessible area. The best trap I used had a 9v battery that would shock and kill the mouse.
https://www.offshoreinjuryfirm.com/maritime-law/maritime-law-glossary/what-is-an-allision-Any word if DIE was involved? Or has it reached the point everywhere (not just crime articles) where if the responsible party is not labeled WHITE MALE! we can assume so?Replies: @Mike Tre, @J.Ross, @Almost Missouri
IIRC the collisions of the USS Fitzgerald and McCain (naturally) happened when females were in command of the bridge. The former was a negro female.
Of course good luck finding that information on any mainstrea site, although the following website has a very slick interactive timeline displayed of a recreation of the collision:
https://features.propublica.org/navy-accidents/uss-fitzgerald-destroyer-crash-crystal/
The net payors are basically the wealthy northeastern states (CT, NY, NJ, MA), who don't complain too much since, I suppose, much of their "private" profits come from the fruits of the MIC and Welfare State.
An interesting side note is that the sum of net payors is obviously much less than the sum of net payees: more people are getting paid than are paying, and more money is paid out than in. How can this be? The difference is mainly Federal borrowing/printing of money, ... which also explains why this won't stop until outright currency collapse, if even then. That false surplus of money literally is the only thing holding the country together. No one likes it, but with trillions of 'extra' dollars being handed out, no one will walk away from the gravy train either. Besides that everyone likes 'free' money, not taking it might have consequences.Replies: @Anon
In return, the Jews get to use the United States’ $1 trillion/annum military and intelligence apparatus to fight all the enemies Israel has made. Is there a better return on investment to be had anywhere?
But this stuff exists simultaneously in a culture that humanizes animals, particularly dogs. This is not a blue-haired, college lesbian thing. One sees this in heartland country. We should blanch at any cruelty to any animal and yet gratuitously go into the woods to kill an animal when it really isn't necessary.
People who engage in wanton or preplanned neglect or cruelty to animals should be identified and punished. It's usually a sign of other things, see no further than Jeffrey Dahmer.
But the wellbeing of any animal should be far less of a concern with human needs and safety.Replies: @anarchyst, @Twinkie
Thank you for your comment. You are spot-on…the well-being of humans MUST take precedence over the well-being of animals.
The environmentalist movement was quite successful in infantilizing the general public by making outlandish claims, giving animals rights, among other things
I call it the “disneyfication” of animals, raising animals up to the status of humans, imbuing human qualities on them-Walt Disney and his animal cartoons, Bambi, among others, is responsible for turning adult humans into animal-worshipping crazies-the roots of rabid environmentalism also has its start with disney cartoons.
The “disneyfication” of animals has done more to damage the concept of man having dominion over other living things and has contributed greatly to our present crop of anti-hunters and pro-animal activists.
If and when civilization collapses, you can bet that this “disneyfication” of animals along with gun control (actually people control) will go away, people will be too busy looking for their next meal.
PETA=people eating tasty animals.
It is interesting to note that these same “animal lovers” have no problem with human babies being ripped out of their mothers’ wombs. In fact, bald eagles and other species have MORE protections than pre-born and now post-born humans. Go figure…
OT — If Steve was thinking of migrating to Substack, as is perennially brought up, it might already be too late. The traditional enemies of free speech, led by the ADL, are calling for Substack to be shut down because they don’t control it. The ADL et al are creating a situation in which nobody believes anything the lyingpress says and the normiest of normies will joke about denouncing the Talmud.
https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/year-of-troubles-the-hatchets-come
https://www.offshoreinjuryfirm.com/maritime-law/maritime-law-glossary/what-is-an-allision-Any word if DIE was involved? Or has it reached the point everywhere (not just crime articles) where if the responsible party is not labeled WHITE MALE! we can assume so?Replies: @Mike Tre, @J.Ross, @Almost Missouri
After this it came out that the Royal Navy retains a skipper (not responsible here) who’s done this multiple times and is both white and native British. And male. In the US Navy, if you do this once, you’re relieved.
Since you brought up allision, I guess you could say that accidents will happen …
Heck, Oregon’s Constitution forbade black settlement until 1926. The state didn’t ratify the Fifteenth Amendment to the US Constitution until 1959, and didn’t fully ratify the Fourteenth Amendment until 1975. Or so says National Geographic.
https://twitter.com/WallStreetSilv/status/1748423273069605087Replies: @Frau Katze
That’s a man? Must have been a very effeminate man.
Still, I can understand why readers wouldn’t appreciate it.
I'd say the big difference is that they never had Christianization. More explicitly the process of broad empathy building under Christianity. (Moderns would be pretty shocked if they time travelled back to ancient Rome and took in the level of cruelty and barbarism.) In a fight--in a war--Christians can and have been as nasty as the next guy. But the West's general standards against cruelty have been on a long upswing. (I'd argue in some sense "too far". That's you don't want to throw out effective/deterring use of force to enforce civilized behavior with the "cruelty bathwater".)Replies: @Ennui
I think Romanticism and Victorian prudery is far more responsible for the squeamish about animals you mentioned. It also was more of a Proddy thing. That said, Americans shot buffalo for fun from trains. Colonial Southerners engaged in gander pulling, and cock and dog fighting have a long tradition in Christian societies until outlawed by squeamish lawmakers.
Another factor just as responsible if not more so is the theory that Europeans executed all their criminals in the Early Modern Era to such a degree that they weren’t able to reproduce. Europeans cleared the undesirables out of their gene pool. Europeans were domesticated. I’m pretty sure Steve has written about this.
Christians were still burning annoying old biddies as witches into the 1600s. Slavery is cruel and worldwide, so no apologies should be forthcoming, but the slave trade into the Western Hemisphere was characterized by shocking disregard for human life and cruelty. No worse than slavery in the Middle East or East Asia, but still.
The point is, you really don’t have to go back to Roman times to find gratuitous cruelty in European societies.
Oregon wasn’t primarily settled by northerners. Most of the early Oregonians came via Kentucky. They were not, however, pro-slavery. They were more like West Virginians in that way. Not big fans of blacks or Southern gentry.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxi!Neither the first nor last time a quote has been modified.Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
One of the oddest lines ascribed to an actor that he never said on screen was one allegedly uttered by Classic Hollywood superstar Cary Grant, “Judy, Judy, Judy”.
Grant never said it on screen.
It’s not as though famous lines in classic/immortal Hollywood films haven’t been uttered on screen.
DeNiro DID say on screen “Are you talkin’ to me?”
I have one. Father-in-law developed glioblastoma multiforme. There's no hope for it -- average life expectancy after diagnosis is 12 months. This, in the rural-est part of Montana: population for the whole county is 9500. And yet, astonishingly, an incredibly talented neurosurgeon lived there. Father-in-law got his brain surgery at the local little hospital. I was favorably impressed by everyone, and the surgery went as well as possible.
*Weirdly, the neurosurgeon a few years later ALSO developed glioblastoma. What? Is it contagious??Replies: @Joe Stalin, @Alden
Seriously, I find glue traps to be worthless. I wouldn't care if they were banned. Snap traps and poison bait are much better. PS bait traps with peanut butter, not cheese.I warn you, Men of Unz! You will long for the days when it was the Joos who were oppressing you. Our new Asian Overlords will make your former Joo Overlords look like pussycats. Get ready for the struggle session! How good are you at staying in stress positions?Replies: @Corn, @AnotherDad, @deep anonymous, @James B. Shearer, @Anon, @anon, @Mike Tre, @Twinkie, @MEH 0910, @Erik L, @PeterIke, @Twinkie, @Dry land farming, @Colin Wright, @Ed Case
I have tried glue traps, and found little rat footprints on them. Apparently the little bastards like to test new things before committing. Unfortunately, I have found lizards caught in them. Lizards, like spiders, are our allies, they eat bugs.
Sometimes you get a smart rat who has learned to spring wire-and-wood traps. So set the trap out, baited but not cocked, and refresh the thing for about four nights. On the fifth night, cock the trap. Alternatively, you can cock the trap but secure the snapper with copper wire for four nights. Sometimes you have to be a rat to kill a rat.
-Discard
As I recall, it was the ultimate destination, the “promised land”, for Laura “Little House” Ingalls’s family. Never got there though. As I recall, they were northern Methodists rather than Appalachian Baptists or whatever Kentuckians are.
Mostly these people weren't particularly attached to any denomination, which is why to this day the West remains relatively irreligious and fertile ground for cults and superstition. The pious Protestant types, such as the Whitmans (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitman_massacre), were generally Yankees, but although Yankees dominated business and institutions in the Oregon Territory they were a minority of the white population.
https://www.offshoreinjuryfirm.com/maritime-law/maritime-law-glossary/what-is-an-allision-Any word if DIE was involved? Or has it reached the point everywhere (not just crime articles) where if the responsible party is not labeled WHITE MALE! we can assume so?Replies: @Mike Tre, @J.Ross, @Almost Missouri
The US Navy’s 2017 deadly Destroyah-a-palooza collisionfest was a DIE extravaganza.
https://theothermccain.com/2018/06/17/tip-pentagon-covering-up-fact-that-female-officers-nearly-sank-navy-ship/
I mean in Israel. In general, secular people in America are sorta mildly indifferent to organized religion but may dabble in it on special occasions but Europeans have an anticlerical tradition that is actively hostile to religion and sees it as a malign force such that they want nothing to do with this bunch of crooks/ molesters ever.
Still, I can understand why readers wouldn’t appreciate it.Replies: @J.Ross
I remember the campaigns to tolerate homosexuals from the late 80s through the 90s through the 2000s to the election of Obama (which was seen as a kind of vindication specifically for homosexuals). For most of that time (once old enough) I supported it and signed petitions. The current understanding was, this is for the general non-persecution of homosexuals. Not tolerating every single thing they do, or letting them orgy in public, or letting them expose themselves to children, or letting them adopt and rape and pimp out children, or tolerating them refusing to tolerate heterosexuality. Just like the Southern “racists” have been objectively and totally vindicated in their predictions about the Civil Rights scam, the Jack Chick set have been vindicated in their predictions about homosexual activism. It was all a lie and the goal was to better enable an attack on normality.
Trans goes back a way but I thought of it as a rare, freakish thing. Now it seems to be going mainstream.
My niece is using the pronoun “they” to refer to her daughter. I find it bizarre. I’m not sure if my niece has told her mom (my sister) about it.
I never expected this, I must say.
If he is a Zionist Jew, then he is of a foreign nation. So no, not assimilated.
Well, don’t use poison.
We did that in Hawaii. First the rat dies behind the walls, then it rots, then the house is filled with the smell of rotting rat, then all the maggots become flies, and…
Ye olde Victor rat trap better. They’re cheap, they work, and they’re certainly humane.
Just keep your fingers well clear.
Seriously, I find glue traps to be worthless. I wouldn't care if they were banned. Snap traps and poison bait are much better. PS bait traps with peanut butter, not cheese.I warn you, Men of Unz! You will long for the days when it was the Joos who were oppressing you. Our new Asian Overlords will make your former Joo Overlords look like pussycats. Get ready for the struggle session! How good are you at staying in stress positions?Replies: @Corn, @AnotherDad, @deep anonymous, @James B. Shearer, @Anon, @anon, @Mike Tre, @Twinkie, @MEH 0910, @Erik L, @PeterIke, @Twinkie, @Dry land farming, @Colin Wright, @Ed Case
You’re amazing.
I know that is true regarding Christians in Europe. Does that anticlericalism have an analog among European Jews? (I mean is there hostility among secular Jews toward Orthodox, I’m not talking/asking about intergroup conflicts or conflicts between Jews and Christians.)
We thought it would end at gay rights. I have to admit to being surprised by the whole trans thing.
Trans goes back a way but I thought of it as a rare, freakish thing. Now it seems to be going mainstream.
My niece is using the pronoun “they” to refer to her daughter. I find it bizarre. I’m not sure if my niece has told her mom (my sister) about it.
I never expected this, I must say.
Religious/secular are much more polarized in Israel than it is in the US - it's generally Orthodox or nothing. Orthodox people have bar mitzvahs but don't eat pork. Secular people eat pork but don't have bar mitzvahs. The few "in between" people are mostly American Jews who have made aliyah or Israelis who have lived in America. The fact that you heard this anecdote itself shows its scandalous nature. If it was routine then no one would tell a story about it.Replies: @IHTG, @Twinkie
Have you spent any time in Israel? I have.
This polarization, though it did exist in the past, gained ground in recent years. In the past, many secular Jewish Israelis still partook in major Jewish milestones and holidays while forgoing regular religious practice (rather like “secular” Christians in Europe who baptize their kids, get married in church, and have funeral Masses, but otherwise don’t show up to church).
And in the past, pork-eating (euphemistically called the “white meat”) was surprisingly widespread and tolerated and was sometimes a treat demanded by teenagers after Bar Mitzvah. On top of that, the Israeli pork consumption rose further as immigrants from Russia arrived in large numbers.
Now, Israel is undergoing that polarization you wrote of and pork consumption is declining significantly: https://www.haaretz.com/food/2023-04-20/ty-article-magazine/.premium/farewell-shrimp-and-pork-israel-really-is-becoming-more-kosher/00000187-9472-d484-adef-f6f6ed330000
Now that a generation or 2 has gone by, the kids of Russian Jews are just ordinary Israeli and they don't have the same love of pork that their parents did and they are more aware of the tone of Israeli society and how it is shifting toward having more of a Jewish identity even if you are not religious.Replies: @Anon, @Twinkie
But this stuff exists simultaneously in a culture that humanizes animals, particularly dogs. This is not a blue-haired, college lesbian thing. One sees this in heartland country. We should blanch at any cruelty to any animal and yet gratuitously go into the woods to kill an animal when it really isn't necessary.
People who engage in wanton or preplanned neglect or cruelty to animals should be identified and punished. It's usually a sign of other things, see no further than Jeffrey Dahmer.
But the wellbeing of any animal should be far less of a concern with human needs and safety.Replies: @anarchyst, @Twinkie
Absolutely.
That’s because dogs have the longest history with humans. They were probably the first domesticated animals and the most useful (being the only large carnivores we have domesticated). Dogs also can read human facial expressions and emotions like no other animal. They are still “only” animals, yes, and human being always come first, but as animals go, dogs are pretty special.
I know of no other animal that would sacrifice itself and be burnt to crisp in a house fire to protect its owner. Or an animal that has traversed hundreds of miles (and even lost a limb) in order to find its owner again. I prefer the company of dogs than that of most people.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/all-dogs-go-to-heaven/The link at the end is dead so not reproduced. This site was helpful.
https://www.moneyjojo.com/reviews/best-church-sign-generator/
This looks like the equivalent site today. See designs 1 and 11.
www.says-it.net/churchsigns/Replies: @Twinkie
That meme is hilarious. Unfortunately it does not appear to be real.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/all-dogs-go-to-heaven/
The link at the end is dead so not reproduced. This site was helpful.
https://www.moneyjojo.com/reviews/best-church-sign-generator/
This looks like the equivalent site today. See designs 1 and 11.
http://www.says-it.net/churchsigns/
My family and I get our dogs blessed by the parish priest every year - on the Feast Day of St. Francis of Assisi.Replies: @Bill P
And in the past, pork-eating (euphemistically called the "white meat") was surprisingly widespread and tolerated and was sometimes a treat demanded by teenagers after Bar Mitzvah. On top of that, the Israeli pork consumption rose further as immigrants from Russia arrived in large numbers.
Now, Israel is undergoing that polarization you wrote of and pork consumption is declining significantly: https://www.haaretz.com/food/2023-04-20/ty-article-magazine/.premium/farewell-shrimp-and-pork-israel-really-is-becoming-more-kosher/00000187-9472-d484-adef-f6f6ed330000Replies: @Jack D
Interesting article. Thanks.
There is a lot to take into account because Israel is a very complex place. As the % of the population that is religious keeps going up (like everywhere else in the West, the secular forget to reproduce) the tone of the society has changed. The new generation (even the secular) are beginning to understand that in order for the idea of a “Jewish state” to have any meaning, it must have a Jewish character such that publishing “Jewish cookbooks” with pork recipes in them, driving on Yom Kippur, etc. is incompatible. Also, Communism/Socialism, with its INTENTIONAL flouting of Jewish observance in order to rub it in the faces of your observant parents, is dead.
Pork consumption in Israel was driven 1st and foremost by the million “Russian Jews” that show up there. “Jews” in scare quotes because not all of them were fully (or in some cases, at all) ethnically Jewish. 2nd, because the Soviet government spent 70 years trying to drive away all vestiges of Jewish religious practice including the observation of kashrut in any form and they largely succeeded such that Soviet Jews ate the same food as other Soviets, which is to say (to the extent they were able to get meat at all) pork.
Every country has its favorite meat or cheapest meat. In America, it is chicken. In Argentina, it is beef. In Korea, it is dog. Well in Russia in the Soviet period, that was pork, even for Jews:
(The pig is our main machine for production of meat in the coming years!)
Now that a generation or 2 has gone by, the kids of Russian Jews are just ordinary Israeli and they don’t have the same love of pork that their parents did and they are more aware of the tone of Israeli society and how it is shifting toward having more of a Jewish identity even if you are not religious.
John Wayne won an Oscar for that role (the past is another country) and Kim Darby was great as Mattie (even if she was the seventh choice) but I have to say the 44-40 is a bit much for a rat ,better on two legged varmints.
Back when my grandfather was a strapping young man, he had a friend who owned a seafood restaurant down by the old Fulton Fish Market. The guy was complaining that his basement was infested with rats, and he couldn't get rid of them, nothing worked: not traps, not poison, nothing.
MY GRANDFATHER: Hold my beer.
He went down into the basement with a shotgun, to where the rats were running amok, and fired about six shotgun blasts into their midst, so that they all scattered. His friend: What was the good of that? You barely hit a single one. Gramps: I wasn't trying to hit them, I was sending a message. Rats are smart, they know what I meant.
The rats never came back.
I once looked at a list of Oregon’s first settlers, and a surprising number of them were actually born in Kentucky (and nearby parts of the Ohio country) way back in the late 18th century, i.e. before Kentucky was really properly settled. The ones who came from the Atlantic seaboard (generally from New York to the Carolinas) mostly went through Kentucky via the Cumberland Gap, then set off from Missouri on the Oregon Trail.
Mostly these people weren’t particularly attached to any denomination, which is why to this day the West remains relatively irreligious and fertile ground for cults and superstition. The pious Protestant types, such as the Whitmans (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitman_massacre), were generally Yankees, but although Yankees dominated business and institutions in the Oregon Territory they were a minority of the white population.
Another factor just as responsible if not more so is the theory that Europeans executed all their criminals in the Early Modern Era to such a degree that they weren't able to reproduce. Europeans cleared the undesirables out of their gene pool. Europeans were domesticated. I'm pretty sure Steve has written about this.
Christians were still burning annoying old biddies as witches into the 1600s. Slavery is cruel and worldwide, so no apologies should be forthcoming, but the slave trade into the Western Hemisphere was characterized by shocking disregard for human life and cruelty. No worse than slavery in the Middle East or East Asia, but still.
The point is, you really don't have to go back to Roman times to find gratuitous cruelty in European societies.Replies: @Anonymous
No it wasn’t. The slaves in the English territories had better lives than they would have had in Africa, where they would have been enslaved, raped, killed, or eaten.
Now that a generation or 2 has gone by, the kids of Russian Jews are just ordinary Israeli and they don't have the same love of pork that their parents did and they are more aware of the tone of Israeli society and how it is shifting toward having more of a Jewish identity even if you are not religious.Replies: @Anon, @Twinkie
Publishing a cook book with a pork recipe in it or driving on Yom Kippur is perfectly compatible with Israel being a “Jewish State.”
Now that a generation or 2 has gone by, the kids of Russian Jews are just ordinary Israeli and they don't have the same love of pork that their parents did and they are more aware of the tone of Israeli society and how it is shifting toward having more of a Jewish identity even if you are not religious.Replies: @Anon, @Twinkie
No. Pork consumption was there – in Israel – already before the 1990’s when the Russians started to show up in numbers: https://www.atlantajewishtimes.com/pork-in-israel-reflects-clash-of-cultures/
As for this:
Good try, yet again, but you fail again. In Korea, dog meat was neither the favorite nor the cheapest. Beef was always the favorite (Bulgogi and Galbi) and the cheapest was chicken (as in America). Even when Korea was very poor, the cheapest meat was probably sparrow (like pigeons were once in America’s cities). Dog meat was a “specialty” food in Korea that was consumed by a small fraction of the population rarely.
Even though you have no idea what you are talking about, you are still trying to sound like you do with this kind of meaningless inanity.
When I wrote this:
And you responded thusly:
You didn’t know what you were talking about, period. For once, be a man and admit you didn’t know.
Now for fun:
Forget Chinese restaurants, you should worry about Jewish restaurants for mystery meat! Someone should make a meme with “That wasn’t veal” label, huh? Or is that just dirty antisemitism as usual?
It also shows that the Jews never intended to share Palestine with anyone else.Replies: @Reg Cæsar
“I have to say the 44-40 is a bit much for a rat, better on two legged varmints.”
Back when my grandfather was a strapping young man, he had a friend who owned a seafood restaurant down by the old Fulton Fish Market. The guy was complaining that his basement was infested with rats, and he couldn’t get rid of them, nothing worked: not traps, not poison, nothing.
MY GRANDFATHER: Hold my beer.
He went down into the basement with a shotgun, to where the rats were running amok, and fired about six shotgun blasts into their midst, so that they all scattered. His friend: What was the good of that? You barely hit a single one. Gramps: I wasn’t trying to hit them, I was sending a message. Rats are smart, they know what I meant.
The rats never came back.
When that ends—as it eventually must, the next solution is likely to be ruthless coercion.Replies: @OilcanFloyd
I don’t disagree. Judging by the treatment of the people falsely jailed from the so-called Trump Insurrection, the ruthless coercion has already started. I just don’t believe the view that Americans are some sort of dysfunctional family that is stuck together whether we like it or not. There is nothing to bind us together, and I doubt that that force and coercion will do the trick, in the long-term. In a zero sum game, there will likely be losers.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/all-dogs-go-to-heaven/The link at the end is dead so not reproduced. This site was helpful.
https://www.moneyjojo.com/reviews/best-church-sign-generator/
This looks like the equivalent site today. See designs 1 and 11.
www.says-it.net/churchsigns/Replies: @Twinkie
Yeah, it’s too good to be true, but does contain a slight hint of the theological differences (which is why it’s funny).
My family and I get our dogs blessed by the parish priest every year – on the Feast Day of St. Francis of Assisi.
Logically taken to sola fide's conclusion there is no distinction between man and beast.Replies: @Twinkie
That was incredibly inconsiderate of the Jews to the area’s indigenous Christian community.
It also shows that the Jews never intended to share Palestine with anyone else.
*"Coalinga", by the way, sounds kinda dirty. And it is, but in a different sense.Replies: @Anon
My family and I get our dogs blessed by the parish priest every year - on the Feast Day of St. Francis of Assisi.Replies: @Bill P
It’s backward, though; Catholic theologians have been quite clear that only humans possess immortal souls while Calvinists hold that Sola fide is the key to salvation, and according the the Bible animals have faith.
Logically taken to sola fide’s conclusion there is no distinction between man and beast.
It also shows that the Jews never intended to share Palestine with anyone else.Replies: @Reg Cæsar
That might be the long-term solution to Gaza and the West Bank– giant pig farms. Only those who embrace the noble beasts could stand to live there.
The San Joaquin Valley has Cowschwitz*; the Bethlehem Governorate could have Sowschwitz. Whether the original Joachim would approve I don’t know, but his grandson’s followers are fine with it. All two billion of them.
*”Coalinga”, by the way, sounds kinda dirty. And it is, but in a different sense.
The Zionist Jews would need to be resettled someplace decent. China is a dynamic country whose high-IQ population has declined by many millions in the past two years. They could easily absorb 5 million Jews. The Chinese are said to admire Jews.
Canada, now pushing for many more immigrants, could take the difference. Canada is very friendly toward Jews.
Muslims of Palestine could migrate to other Arab countries if they don’t wish to live in a territory that has porcine agriculture.
*"Coalinga", by the way, sounds kinda dirty. And it is, but in a different sense.Replies: @Anon
Your idea might have the seeds of a compromise. If the Zionist Jews and the Muslims can’t agree on who rules Palestine, then neither of them get it. It goes to the Christians or it is re-established as an international zone, administered by the UN.
The Zionist Jews would need to be resettled someplace decent. China is a dynamic country whose high-IQ population has declined by many millions in the past two years. They could easily absorb 5 million Jews. The Chinese are said to admire Jews.
Canada, now pushing for many more immigrants, could take the difference. Canada is very friendly toward Jews.
Muslims of Palestine could migrate to other Arab countries if they don’t wish to live in a territory that has porcine agriculture.
That is immaterial. Legal positivism is incoherent and unworkable, it being impossible for any authority explicitly to delineate all of its powers. (This is a point more general than its application to the Constitution: no finite text can completely resolve all questions of interpretation or can be determinative of all future issues that might arise).
Constituent of any legitimate government’s authority is the authority to maintain itself and its integrity. If it did not have this authority, it would not be a legitimate nation, but rather would be a mere confederation of nations, something like the E.U. or the U.N. Supposing (for sake of argument) even that the Constitution had explicitly stated that the states had the unilateral right to leave the Union, such a statement would be a contradiction to the very nature of the authority which gave the Constitution its authoritative nature in the first place. Such a self-limitation on its authority would make no sense.
By the way, the United States does not derive her authority from the Constitution. For the Constitution to have had any binding force in the first place, America must have already had a sense of her prior legitimacy. The Constitution derives its legitimacy from the authority of the United States, not vice-versa. So the authority of the United States must outstrip and transcend what is explicitly listed in the Constitution.
His Brittanic Majesty acknowledges the said United States, viz., New Hampshire, Massachusetts Bay, Rhode Island and Providence Plantations, Connecticut, New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Delaware, Maryland, Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina and Georgia, to be free sovereign and Independent States; that he treats with them as such, and for himself his Heirs & Successors, relinquishes all claims to the Government, Propriety, and Territorial Rights of the same and every Part thereof.”The preamble to the Constitution of the Union declares precisely what the constitution covers, the operating rules for a “union” not a state. “State” not union was the conventional generic term for an ultimate territorial authority possessing organic authority. “We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.” Hell, they even laid out what functions this intergovernmental body was going to perform for its principles, the states. The states having already dissolved one self stated Union, formed by the Articles of Confederation, it beggars belief to imagine that creating a second, simply more perfect Union would be perceived as creating an impregnable bond particularly given that Unions are distinguishable from their member states, see European Union. I grasp that Lincoln’s winning a war has incented people into the fever swamps of imagining that some permanent state was created, without declaring such or even suggesting such, at the outset of the Union transferring power in perpetuity to what was known at the creation (by the states) as an union, a type of entity known to be an subordinate administrative body then as today. But such imaginings are simply a way of coping with post war propaganda. The North won which is why it gets to redefine union to mean whatever it wants, no matter how ahistorical the usage might be.Replies: @Curle, @Ian M.
Logically taken to sola fide's conclusion there is no distinction between man and beast.Replies: @Twinkie
Don’t ruin the story with realism!
Constituent of any legitimate government’s authority is the authority to maintain itself and its integrity. If it did not have this authority, it would not be a legitimate nation, but rather would be a mere confederation of nations, something like the E.U. or the U.N. Supposing (for sake of argument) even that the Constitution had explicitly stated that the states had the unilateral right to leave the Union, such a statement would be a contradiction to the very nature of the authority which gave the Constitution its authoritative nature in the first place. Such a self-limitation on its authority would make no sense.
By the way, the United States does not derive her authority from the Constitution. For the Constitution to have had any binding force in the first place, America must have already had a sense of her prior legitimacy. The Constitution derives its legitimacy from the authority of the United States, not vice-versa. So the authority of the United States must outstrip and transcend what is explicitly listed in the Constitution.Replies: @Anon, @Curle, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Reg Cæsar
If what you write were true, people would take an oath to the United States not to the Constitution. But the fact is they take an oath to the Constitution.
Constituent of any legitimate government’s authority is the authority to maintain itself and its integrity. If it did not have this authority, it would not be a legitimate nation, but rather would be a mere confederation of nations, something like the E.U. or the U.N. Supposing (for sake of argument) even that the Constitution had explicitly stated that the states had the unilateral right to leave the Union, such a statement would be a contradiction to the very nature of the authority which gave the Constitution its authoritative nature in the first place. Such a self-limitation on its authority would make no sense.
By the way, the United States does not derive her authority from the Constitution. For the Constitution to have had any binding force in the first place, America must have already had a sense of her prior legitimacy. The Constitution derives its legitimacy from the authority of the United States, not vice-versa. So the authority of the United States must outstrip and transcend what is explicitly listed in the Constitution.Replies: @Anon, @Curle, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Reg Cæsar
“If it did not have this authority, it would not be a legitimate nation, but rather would be a mere confederation of nations,”
It wasn’t a “legitimate” nation. It was, from the beginning a “Union” of states as was the predecessor, an administrative body, an agent, to manage powers delegated by its principles the participating states. Such things are commonplace and can be seen in the many intergovernmental bodies that perform administrative services for groups of principles be they states or local governments to this day. Had it been an intentionally formed state with originating powers the Anti-Federalists would not have demanded, and received, the Tenth Amendment which spells out very clearly that powers are DELEGATED an entirely superfluous claim were the US a state all its own with organic authority.
The organic authority of the states was spelled out in the Treaty of Paris. The powers of the British Crown manifest in the colonies was transferred to the states not to a national government nor to the states in a collective capacity but in an individual capacity, thus the use of “said United States”.
From the Treaty of Paris:
“Article 1st:
His Brittanic Majesty acknowledges the said United States, viz., New Hampshire, Massachusetts Bay, Rhode Island and Providence Plantations, Connecticut, New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Delaware, Maryland, Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina and Georgia, to be free sovereign and Independent States; that he treats with them as such, and for himself his Heirs & Successors, relinquishes all claims to the Government, Propriety, and Territorial Rights of the same and every Part thereof.”
The preamble to the Constitution of the Union declares precisely what the constitution covers, the operating rules for a “union” not a state. “State” not union was the conventional generic term for an ultimate territorial authority possessing organic authority.
“We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.” Hell, they even laid out what functions this intergovernmental body was going to perform for its principles, the states.
The states having already dissolved one self stated Union, formed by the Articles of Confederation, it beggars belief to imagine that creating a second, simply more perfect Union would be perceived as creating an impregnable bond particularly given that Unions are distinguishable from their member states, see European Union.
I grasp that Lincoln’s winning a war has incented people into the fever swamps of imagining that some permanent state was created, without declaring such or even suggesting such, at the outset of the Union transferring power in perpetuity to what was known at the creation (by the states) as an union, a type of entity known to be an subordinate administrative body then as today. But such imaginings are simply a way of coping with post war propaganda. The North won which is why it gets to redefine union to mean whatever it wants, no matter how ahistorical the usage might be.
Jefferson and Madison argued that the Union was a compact made by the states, which as the constituent parties retained the right to judge whether the central government had violated the compact. Exercising this right by the accepted practices for implementing compacts, the states, according to Madison, could "interpose" their authority to stop unconstitutional acts of the central government. In the Kentucky Resolutions of 1799 Jefferson declared that a nullification by the sovereign states of all unauthorized acts of the federal government was "the rightful remedy." The theory thus propounded held that the states created the Union; the federal government could exercise only delegated powers, not including regulation of speech and press, which were reserved to the states; and the states had authority to question the exercise of central authority and by implication to settle constitutional disputes over federal-state relations.
Whether Madison and Jefferson contemplated peaceful concerted action by the states, or single-state defiance of federal authority (possibly by force, as was later proposed in South Carolina), their action served as precedent and model for one of the basic strategies of constitutional politics throughout the antebellum period. From the standpoint of constitutional law the most significant feature of the compact theory was the proposition that the states had created the Constitution and the Union. The argument could mean any number of things depending on how a state was defined. A state could be considered to be the territory occupied by a political community, the governing institutions and officers of the community, or the people forming the community. In his report to the Virginia legislature in 1800, Madison used the third of these definitions to explain how the states, through the ratification process, had made the Constitution. On this theory, the tenth amendment expressed the equivalence of state and people, reserving powers not delegated to the federal government "to the States respectively or to the people." A fixed feature of later states' rights and state sovereignty teaching, this popular conception of statehood enabled compact theorists to define the nation as self-governing political communities founded on common republican principles.Replies: @Sam Malone
It seems to me that already by the time of Washington's presidency, the federal government was perceived as the ultimate arbiter of justice and that therefore the United States was a nation. This is decidedly not the case with the present-day European Union, although it's of course possible that this might change in the future. And people prior to the Civil War regularly referred to the United States as a nation or country; I'm not aware of people doing that with respect to the E.U.
Certainly, the powers granted to the federal government by the Constitution are the sort that we typically associate with true sovereign nations: negotiating treaties, declaring war, raising armies, levying taxes, universal jurisdiction, and especially stipulations regarding treason (can you commit treason against an administrative union?).
At any rate though, the debate cannot be settled solely by appealing to what is spelled out in the Constitution, except insofar as it gives insight into how the United States was perceived by her citizens.Replies: @anarchyst, @Curle
Constituent of any legitimate government’s authority is the authority to maintain itself and its integrity. If it did not have this authority, it would not be a legitimate nation, but rather would be a mere confederation of nations, something like the E.U. or the U.N. Supposing (for sake of argument) even that the Constitution had explicitly stated that the states had the unilateral right to leave the Union, such a statement would be a contradiction to the very nature of the authority which gave the Constitution its authoritative nature in the first place. Such a self-limitation on its authority would make no sense.
By the way, the United States does not derive her authority from the Constitution. For the Constitution to have had any binding force in the first place, America must have already had a sense of her prior legitimacy. The Constitution derives its legitimacy from the authority of the United States, not vice-versa. So the authority of the United States must outstrip and transcend what is explicitly listed in the Constitution.Replies: @Anon, @Curle, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Reg Cæsar
Hey, Faddah! So, if God can do anything, can He make a rock so big that even He can’t lift it? Heh heh, we got ‘im now, fellas.
The rat population of Beverly Hills and adjacent West Los Angeles has gone down significantly in the last 3 years because the coyotes ate them.
The coyotes in Bel Air UCLA campus a very large campus and the 490 acre Veteran hospital grounds plus woods parks and ravines ate all the prey in those areas.And had many many babies.
So the coyotes were forced to hunt food in BH and WLA and the rats disappeared in many areas. So did the wild cats but that’s the way of Mother Nature. Used to be herds of rats in the alleys. And the city parks in Beverly Hills and west Los Angeles
I live part of the year in WLA part of the year in the SF Bay Area. Our Bay Area neighborhood was infested with raccoons. 35 pound raccoons. They regularly attacked and injured dogs , including big dogs and the dogs always lost.Stalked small kids soon as it got dusk They got in houses attics garages tunneled into RVs from underneath chewed siding and studs and attic rafters are every flower and bulb every morning you’d see raccoon tracks on your car.
And then and then, some coyotes moved in. First they ate the deer. Which was too bad because the deer ate the weeds foxtails & wild wheat but left flower gardens alone.
And when the deer were gone the raccoons were exterminated in a year. So now I love coyotes.
The dog owners love the coyotes for exterminating the racoons. But now the coyotes are besieging the houses every night to get at the dogs. The pack clusters in the driveway and makes the chitty chitty sound to lure the dogs out.
Animal control refused to do anything about the raccoons. Is now refusing to do anything about the coyotes. Only thing they will do is if a car hits a deer raccoon or other animal AND it survives but is too injured to crawl off the road animal control will come and pick it up. And take it to a vet for treatment and the rehab center Total absolute waste of taxpayers money.
It’s illegal to kill racoons coyotes deer and any nuisance animal or bird.
The loyalty oath was a post war invention. The “United States” as you know it today was an invention of the Southern surrender. Such an oath would have been preposterous before the war.
I have one. Father-in-law developed glioblastoma multiforme. There's no hope for it -- average life expectancy after diagnosis is 12 months. This, in the rural-est part of Montana: population for the whole county is 9500. And yet, astonishingly, an incredibly talented neurosurgeon lived there. Father-in-law got his brain surgery at the local little hospital. I was favorably impressed by everyone, and the surgery went as well as possible.
*Weirdly, the neurosurgeon a few years later ALSO developed glioblastoma. What? Is it contagious??Replies: @Joe Stalin, @Alden
That little local hospital wasn’t a teaching hospital. Avoid teaching hospitals if you can.
This argument is so stupid. You forgot to mention boys being castrated in the Middle East. That aside, You go volunteer for the middle passage or work on a Jamaican sugar plantation. Idiot.
His Brittanic Majesty acknowledges the said United States, viz., New Hampshire, Massachusetts Bay, Rhode Island and Providence Plantations, Connecticut, New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Delaware, Maryland, Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina and Georgia, to be free sovereign and Independent States; that he treats with them as such, and for himself his Heirs & Successors, relinquishes all claims to the Government, Propriety, and Territorial Rights of the same and every Part thereof.”The preamble to the Constitution of the Union declares precisely what the constitution covers, the operating rules for a “union” not a state. “State” not union was the conventional generic term for an ultimate territorial authority possessing organic authority. “We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.” Hell, they even laid out what functions this intergovernmental body was going to perform for its principles, the states. The states having already dissolved one self stated Union, formed by the Articles of Confederation, it beggars belief to imagine that creating a second, simply more perfect Union would be perceived as creating an impregnable bond particularly given that Unions are distinguishable from their member states, see European Union. I grasp that Lincoln’s winning a war has incented people into the fever swamps of imagining that some permanent state was created, without declaring such or even suggesting such, at the outset of the Union transferring power in perpetuity to what was known at the creation (by the states) as an union, a type of entity known to be an subordinate administrative body then as today. But such imaginings are simply a way of coping with post war propaganda. The North won which is why it gets to redefine union to mean whatever it wants, no matter how ahistorical the usage might be.Replies: @Curle, @Ian M.
Perhaps the single most important formulation of Unionist theory was contained in the virginia and kentucky resolutions of 1798–1799, written by james madison and thomas jefferson. Seeking a constitutionally legitimate way to prevent the enforcement of the alien and sedition acts, the Republican party leaders advanced the compact theory of the Union. On this theory were based all subsequent assertions of states’ rights and state sovereignty, including those supporting secession in 1861.
Jefferson and Madison argued that the Union was a compact made by the states, which as the constituent parties retained the right to judge whether the central government had violated the compact. Exercising this right by the accepted practices for implementing compacts, the states, according to Madison, could “interpose” their authority to stop unconstitutional acts of the central government. In the Kentucky Resolutions of 1799 Jefferson declared that a nullification by the sovereign states of all unauthorized acts of the federal government was “the rightful remedy.” The theory thus propounded held that the states created the Union; the federal government could exercise only delegated powers, not including regulation of speech and press, which were reserved to the states; and the states had authority to question the exercise of central authority and by implication to settle constitutional disputes over federal-state relations.
Whether Madison and Jefferson contemplated peaceful concerted action by the states, or single-state defiance of federal authority (possibly by force, as was later proposed in South Carolina), their action served as precedent and model for one of the basic strategies of constitutional politics throughout the antebellum period. From the standpoint of constitutional law the most significant feature of the compact theory was the proposition that the states had created the Constitution and the Union. The argument could mean any number of things depending on how a state was defined. A state could be considered to be the territory occupied by a political community, the governing institutions and officers of the community, or the people forming the community. In his report to the Virginia legislature in 1800, Madison used the third of these definitions to explain how the states, through the ratification process, had made the Constitution. On this theory, the tenth amendment expressed the equivalence of state and people, reserving powers not delegated to the federal government “to the States respectively or to the people.” A fixed feature of later states’ rights and state sovereignty teaching, this popular conception of statehood enabled compact theorists to define the nation as self-governing political communities founded on common republican principles.
I’m well aware of this but I never miss an opportunity to mention dog meat in connection with Koreans.
Constituent of any legitimate government’s authority is the authority to maintain itself and its integrity. If it did not have this authority, it would not be a legitimate nation, but rather would be a mere confederation of nations, something like the E.U. or the U.N. Supposing (for sake of argument) even that the Constitution had explicitly stated that the states had the unilateral right to leave the Union, such a statement would be a contradiction to the very nature of the authority which gave the Constitution its authoritative nature in the first place. Such a self-limitation on its authority would make no sense.
By the way, the United States does not derive her authority from the Constitution. For the Constitution to have had any binding force in the first place, America must have already had a sense of her prior legitimacy. The Constitution derives its legitimacy from the authority of the United States, not vice-versa. So the authority of the United States must outstrip and transcend what is explicitly listed in the Constitution.Replies: @Anon, @Curle, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Reg Cæsar
Pronouns! The United States are a they, America is a she.
There, you got it right.
No, the United States Government derives its authority from the Constitution. The Constituton derives its legitimacy (for what it’s worth) from the people– of the republic, or the republics, or both, whatever.
Yeah, totally not racist at all. And laughing at your own trolling is not a sign of a good sense of humor. It’s just dickish as another commenter alluded. But you can’t help yourself, can you?
And, of course, you have nothing to say about the substance of the discussion, because you were wrong as usual. But you can’t be a man and admit it. Is this the kind of ethics you taught your kids?
This site is full of antebellum Northern state Black Code and emancipation info.
http://slavenorth.com/pennrace.htm
http://slavenorth.com/exclusion.htm
Indentured servant information.
http://slavenorth.com/paemancip.htm
http://slavenorth.com/denial.htm
Seriously, I find glue traps to be worthless. I wouldn't care if they were banned. Snap traps and poison bait are much better. PS bait traps with peanut butter, not cheese.I warn you, Men of Unz! You will long for the days when it was the Joos who were oppressing you. Our new Asian Overlords will make your former Joo Overlords look like pussycats. Get ready for the struggle session! How good are you at staying in stress positions?Replies: @Corn, @AnotherDad, @deep anonymous, @James B. Shearer, @Anon, @anon, @Mike Tre, @Twinkie, @MEH 0910, @Erik L, @PeterIke, @Twinkie, @Dry land farming, @Colin Wright, @Ed Case
Inch square cube of pork in a rat trap – ratty knows it’s a trap but just can’t resist that goooood pork.
See this is the thing about Koreans. They seem like totally normal Americans, even better than normal. They will even accuse you of being racist like normal American immigrant minorities do – they give all immigrants training in playing the race card even before they get off the sampan or airplane or however it is that Koreans get her.
But, they are like vampires or child molesters. Watch closely for the signs – most people miss them. Once they see your dog, they start to sweat. Little beads of sweat form on their hairless lips (did I mention that Korean men can’t grow facial hair?). Their hands start to quiver a little bit. They involuntarily swallow frequently from the extra saliva production. They try to play it cool. “Nice dog you got there. I love dog” , they let slip, a little nervously. You think to yourself, what a strange grammatical error for someone born and raised in America? You doubt yourself. Did he really say ” I love dogs” or ” I love your dog” and not ” I love dog” and you just heard it wrong? Or maybe you are reading too much into it – he just means that he is an animal lover? Sorry no, you heard it right the 1st time.
Jack D in his own words:
You mean like that dirty Korean, Jeffrey Epstein?
I think you should stop projecting your own racism onto other people as “antisemitism.” Or keep going and live up to the stereotype of being a shifty, double-talking shyster (“Fellow whites!” “Fellow oppressed minorities!”).
He shouldn’t take it personally. They exploit everyone, not just Chinese immigrants. 😉
I grant that’s what the Constitution says, but that doesn’t make it true: no government derives its legitimacy from the people.
His Brittanic Majesty acknowledges the said United States, viz., New Hampshire, Massachusetts Bay, Rhode Island and Providence Plantations, Connecticut, New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Delaware, Maryland, Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina and Georgia, to be free sovereign and Independent States; that he treats with them as such, and for himself his Heirs & Successors, relinquishes all claims to the Government, Propriety, and Territorial Rights of the same and every Part thereof.”The preamble to the Constitution of the Union declares precisely what the constitution covers, the operating rules for a “union” not a state. “State” not union was the conventional generic term for an ultimate territorial authority possessing organic authority. “We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.” Hell, they even laid out what functions this intergovernmental body was going to perform for its principles, the states. The states having already dissolved one self stated Union, formed by the Articles of Confederation, it beggars belief to imagine that creating a second, simply more perfect Union would be perceived as creating an impregnable bond particularly given that Unions are distinguishable from their member states, see European Union. I grasp that Lincoln’s winning a war has incented people into the fever swamps of imagining that some permanent state was created, without declaring such or even suggesting such, at the outset of the Union transferring power in perpetuity to what was known at the creation (by the states) as an union, a type of entity known to be an subordinate administrative body then as today. But such imaginings are simply a way of coping with post war propaganda. The North won which is why it gets to redefine union to mean whatever it wants, no matter how ahistorical the usage might be.Replies: @Curle, @Ian M.
Whether or not the initial Union was intended to be a mere administrative apparatus akin to the European Union, what matters is how the United States was perceived by her citizens: did the people perceive the federal government as the ultimate authority and dispenser of justice, or did they perceive their respective states that way?
It seems to me that already by the time of Washington’s presidency, the federal government was perceived as the ultimate arbiter of justice and that therefore the United States was a nation. This is decidedly not the case with the present-day European Union, although it’s of course possible that this might change in the future. And people prior to the Civil War regularly referred to the United States as a nation or country; I’m not aware of people doing that with respect to the E.U.
Certainly, the powers granted to the federal government by the Constitution are the sort that we typically associate with true sovereign nations: negotiating treaties, declaring war, raising armies, levying taxes, universal jurisdiction, and especially stipulations regarding treason (can you commit treason against an administrative union?).
At any rate though, the debate cannot be settled solely by appealing to what is spelled out in the Constitution, except insofar as it gives insight into how the United States was perceived by her citizens.
One aspect of life before the “War of Northern Aggression” was the fact that the federal government had little power and was subservient to the states.
In those times, an individual citizen regarded himself to be a citizen of his respective state–NOT a “citizen of the united States”. A person living in Virginia considered himself to be a citizen of Virginia and likewise citizens of other states who were citizens of their respective states.
At the time, the only responsibilities that the federal government had was to coin lawful money, run a post office, and have the ability to gather troops to repel invasions, nothing more.
The “War of Northern Aggression” was illegal on its face, as states always had the right to secede from the “union”.
The requirement that the “states in rebellion” sign a statement recognizing the inviolability of the federal government before readmission was done under duress and were not valid contracts. The only state that never signed a “no secession” clause was Texas. To this day, Texas could tell the feds to “take a hike”. There would be very little the feds could do about it.
That all changed with the conclusion of the “War of Northern Aggression” when the states were subordinated to the federal government, illegal powers being taken by the federal government. It was all downhill from there…Replies: @Ian M.
You should assume that if Jefferson, Madison, St. George Tucker and the Northern secessionists movement, not to mention the Southern secessionist movement, failed to adopt your idiosyncratic notions of the nature of the Union that such notions weren’t considered authoritative during the early Republic.Replies: @Ian M.
Why? Certainly a legitimate authority can require office-holders to take an oath to uphold the stipulations in a legal document bearing its authority.
At least Epstein didn’t eat dog stew.
Agreed! “I am merely a child-molesting vampire, not a dog eater” is a wonderful personal motto. Would you like one for your desk?
My impression from the secular Jews I know is that there is a general feeling of contempt for the Orthodox (or at least toward the Hasidic). It seems perhaps similar to what secular white gentile liberals would express about certain gauche forms of Christianity (fundamentalism, evangelicalism, etc.).
The comparison holds up to a point, but even secular Israeli Jews feel more Asabiyyah toward their religious Jews (esp. against outsiders) than Western secular white gentile liberals do toward fervent Christians. The secular Jews in Israel are not nearly as xenophilic as secular Westerners are.
It seems to me that already by the time of Washington's presidency, the federal government was perceived as the ultimate arbiter of justice and that therefore the United States was a nation. This is decidedly not the case with the present-day European Union, although it's of course possible that this might change in the future. And people prior to the Civil War regularly referred to the United States as a nation or country; I'm not aware of people doing that with respect to the E.U.
Certainly, the powers granted to the federal government by the Constitution are the sort that we typically associate with true sovereign nations: negotiating treaties, declaring war, raising armies, levying taxes, universal jurisdiction, and especially stipulations regarding treason (can you commit treason against an administrative union?).
At any rate though, the debate cannot be settled solely by appealing to what is spelled out in the Constitution, except insofar as it gives insight into how the United States was perceived by her citizens.Replies: @anarchyst, @Curle
You are wrong.
One aspect of life before the “War of Northern Aggression” was the fact that the federal government had little power and was subservient to the states.
In those times, an individual citizen regarded himself to be a citizen of his respective state–NOT a “citizen of the united States”. A person living in Virginia considered himself to be a citizen of Virginia and likewise citizens of other states who were citizens of their respective states.
At the time, the only responsibilities that the federal government had was to coin lawful money, run a post office, and have the ability to gather troops to repel invasions, nothing more.
The “War of Northern Aggression” was illegal on its face, as states always had the right to secede from the “union”.
The requirement that the “states in rebellion” sign a statement recognizing the inviolability of the federal government before readmission was done under duress and were not valid contracts. The only state that never signed a “no secession” clause was Texas. To this day, Texas could tell the feds to “take a hike”. There would be very little the feds could do about it.
That all changed with the conclusion of the “War of Northern Aggression” when the states were subordinated to the federal government, illegal powers being taken by the federal government. It was all downhill from there…
It seems to me that already by the time of Washington's presidency, the federal government was perceived as the ultimate arbiter of justice and that therefore the United States was a nation. This is decidedly not the case with the present-day European Union, although it's of course possible that this might change in the future. And people prior to the Civil War regularly referred to the United States as a nation or country; I'm not aware of people doing that with respect to the E.U.
Certainly, the powers granted to the federal government by the Constitution are the sort that we typically associate with true sovereign nations: negotiating treaties, declaring war, raising armies, levying taxes, universal jurisdiction, and especially stipulations regarding treason (can you commit treason against an administrative union?).
At any rate though, the debate cannot be settled solely by appealing to what is spelled out in the Constitution, except insofar as it gives insight into how the United States was perceived by her citizens.Replies: @anarchyst, @Curle
That’s where you are going off the rails. It’s hardly your fault. If you weren’t raised in the South earlier than the ‘70s you were likely allowed or encouraged to believe that growing up and even if you were raised in the South the story was and is told in a way that allows non-historians and non-specialist lawyers to infer things favorable to the regime that won the civil war.
You should assume that if Jefferson, Madison, St. George Tucker and the Northern secessionists movement, not to mention the Southern secessionist movement, failed to adopt your idiosyncratic notions of the nature of the Union that such notions weren’t considered authoritative during the early Republic.
However, after coming to reject liberalism (including the classical variety), I came to repudiate that view. Jefferson, I think, was a radical whose principles if followed consistently would have led to the demise of any sort of functioning society in quick order. (Thankfully he didn't follow them consistently himself). I'm not sure why Jefferson of all people should be regarded as characteristic of early views of the Republic rather than as representing one extreme.Replies: @Curle, @Curle
The joy of the United States is that there are 50 different states that have different laws, so if you don't like the laws in one state you can freely move to another.Replies: @Alden
Up to a point up to a point. There’s all sorts of uniform civil and criminal codes and interstate compacts. Those are agreements between different states to acknowledge each others laws.
You should assume that if Jefferson, Madison, St. George Tucker and the Northern secessionists movement, not to mention the Southern secessionist movement, failed to adopt your idiosyncratic notions of the nature of the Union that such notions weren’t considered authoritative during the early Republic.Replies: @Ian M.
Well, for what it’s worth, I used to be a southern partisan myself and Jefferson had been my favorite founding father.
However, after coming to reject liberalism (including the classical variety), I came to repudiate that view. Jefferson, I think, was a radical whose principles if followed consistently would have led to the demise of any sort of functioning society in quick order. (Thankfully he didn’t follow them consistently himself). I’m not sure why Jefferson of all people should be regarded as characteristic of early views of the Republic rather than as representing one extreme.
Unless one is King George III or an 18th century Royalist, you almost need to be an American Ryanist or Neocon to view Jefferson as a radical. Jefferson was, to be certain, an anti-Monarchist and a promoter of limited government. In the American tradition it is this group that is most commonly associated with preserving the principles and aims of the American Revolution which is thought to align with conservative thinking which is aligned with anti-leviathan tendencies. In other words, if you associate conservative with centralization and monarchical tendencies then, yes, Jefferson can be called a radical.Replies: @Ian M.
One aspect of life before the “War of Northern Aggression” was the fact that the federal government had little power and was subservient to the states.
In those times, an individual citizen regarded himself to be a citizen of his respective state–NOT a “citizen of the united States”. A person living in Virginia considered himself to be a citizen of Virginia and likewise citizens of other states who were citizens of their respective states.
At the time, the only responsibilities that the federal government had was to coin lawful money, run a post office, and have the ability to gather troops to repel invasions, nothing more.
The “War of Northern Aggression” was illegal on its face, as states always had the right to secede from the “union”.
The requirement that the “states in rebellion” sign a statement recognizing the inviolability of the federal government before readmission was done under duress and were not valid contracts. The only state that never signed a “no secession” clause was Texas. To this day, Texas could tell the feds to “take a hike”. There would be very little the feds could do about it.
That all changed with the conclusion of the “War of Northern Aggression” when the states were subordinated to the federal government, illegal powers being taken by the federal government. It was all downhill from there…Replies: @Ian M.
This is false. So I can hardly even engage with your interpretation of things if we don’t even agree to the basic facts.
You are begging the question.
The writings of the day espoused the fact that the federal government, being limited in its role knew its limitations, that is until Lincoln got in...
If you have a valid counterargument, please elaborate. Just stating that something is "false" just because YOU say it is without an explanation is just plain childish.Replies: @Ian M.
However, after coming to reject liberalism (including the classical variety), I came to repudiate that view. Jefferson, I think, was a radical whose principles if followed consistently would have led to the demise of any sort of functioning society in quick order. (Thankfully he didn't follow them consistently himself). I'm not sure why Jefferson of all people should be regarded as characteristic of early views of the Republic rather than as representing one extreme.Replies: @Curle, @Curle
Because Jefferson’s and Madison’s, not to mention St George Tucker’s, views are consistent with the plain meaning of the law, the contemporaneous legal commentary and the behavior of the states while your impressionistic ideas are reflective of a government that first took power in 1865. Your imagination and Jefferson’s positions are not of equivalent historical value and that you disagree with Jefferson is of no consequence unless you’ve got legal credentials that aren’t obvious. Put another way, your impressions, which is all you’ve provided, carry no authority.
My impressions could be incorrect, that’s true enough. But the plain meaning of the law, legal credentials, and legal commentary pertaining to the right of secession are not germane if the underlying legal-cum-political theory justifying secession is incoherent and false. And the underlying legal-cum-political theory of our founding documents is indeed false and incoherent.
However, after coming to reject liberalism (including the classical variety), I came to repudiate that view. Jefferson, I think, was a radical whose principles if followed consistently would have led to the demise of any sort of functioning society in quick order. (Thankfully he didn't follow them consistently himself). I'm not sure why Jefferson of all people should be regarded as characteristic of early views of the Republic rather than as representing one extreme.Replies: @Curle, @Curle
I’m posting twice to address your other statement that I would describe as error but since it is an error of philosophical characterization and not law I think it deserves separate treatment.
Unless one is King George III or an 18th century Royalist, you almost need to be an American Ryanist or Neocon to view Jefferson as a radical. Jefferson was, to be certain, an anti-Monarchist and a promoter of limited government. In the American tradition it is this group that is most commonly associated with preserving the principles and aims of the American Revolution which is thought to align with conservative thinking which is aligned with anti-leviathan tendencies. In other words, if you associate conservative with centralization and monarchical tendencies then, yes, Jefferson can be called a radical.
This is the wail of all dilettantes of which there are many these days. That you haven’t done the work to understand the series of legal events that constitute the foundation of our early Republic isn’t Jefferson’s fault. Americans these days demand that all things, even knowledge, be easy to digest. Unfortunately, legal affairs cannot operate in such a level though there will always be demands that it operate that way. Do the work and then start making declarative statements.
How is it false?
The writings of the day espoused the fact that the federal government, being limited in its role knew its limitations, that is until Lincoln got in…
If you have a valid counterargument, please elaborate. Just stating that something is “false” just because YOU say it is without an explanation is just plain childish.
Unless one is King George III or an 18th century Royalist, you almost need to be an American Ryanist or Neocon to view Jefferson as a radical. Jefferson was, to be certain, an anti-Monarchist and a promoter of limited government. In the American tradition it is this group that is most commonly associated with preserving the principles and aims of the American Revolution which is thought to align with conservative thinking which is aligned with anti-leviathan tendencies. In other words, if you associate conservative with centralization and monarchical tendencies then, yes, Jefferson can be called a radical.Replies: @Ian M.
I do have monarchical tendencies.
But that’s hardly required to find Jefferson to be a radical. His statement that bloody revolution every generation or so is a healthy thing and his ardent support of the French Revolution ought to be sufficient to do the trick.
Jefferson was regarded as an extreme liberal at the time, not as a conservative, and the only reason moderns now regard him as ‘conservative’ in any way is because modern-day conservativism is itself a species of liberalism, and can trace some of its own classical liberal principles back to him. Nevertheless, while American conservatives have appreciated his limited government views, they’ve never been entirely comfortable with other elements of his thought, given that they are so at odds with traditional conservatism. Unlike, say, how someone like Burke has been perceived by American conservatism, who is more clearly a sort of conservative, although also mixed with liberal elements.
It is not a legal or historical question, it is a philosophical question.
Jefferson and Madison argued that the Union was a compact made by the states, which as the constituent parties retained the right to judge whether the central government had violated the compact. Exercising this right by the accepted practices for implementing compacts, the states, according to Madison, could "interpose" their authority to stop unconstitutional acts of the central government. In the Kentucky Resolutions of 1799 Jefferson declared that a nullification by the sovereign states of all unauthorized acts of the federal government was "the rightful remedy." The theory thus propounded held that the states created the Union; the federal government could exercise only delegated powers, not including regulation of speech and press, which were reserved to the states; and the states had authority to question the exercise of central authority and by implication to settle constitutional disputes over federal-state relations.
Whether Madison and Jefferson contemplated peaceful concerted action by the states, or single-state defiance of federal authority (possibly by force, as was later proposed in South Carolina), their action served as precedent and model for one of the basic strategies of constitutional politics throughout the antebellum period. From the standpoint of constitutional law the most significant feature of the compact theory was the proposition that the states had created the Constitution and the Union. The argument could mean any number of things depending on how a state was defined. A state could be considered to be the territory occupied by a political community, the governing institutions and officers of the community, or the people forming the community. In his report to the Virginia legislature in 1800, Madison used the third of these definitions to explain how the states, through the ratification process, had made the Constitution. On this theory, the tenth amendment expressed the equivalence of state and people, reserving powers not delegated to the federal government "to the States respectively or to the people." A fixed feature of later states' rights and state sovereignty teaching, this popular conception of statehood enabled compact theorists to define the nation as self-governing political communities founded on common republican principles.Replies: @Sam Malone
Thanks very much for all of this.
The writings of the day espoused the fact that the federal government, being limited in its role knew its limitations, that is until Lincoln got in...
If you have a valid counterargument, please elaborate. Just stating that something is "false" just because YOU say it is without an explanation is just plain childish.Replies: @Ian M.
I already listed some in the very comment to which you originally replied, so I did not think it necessary to elaborate. To take just two examples from that comment: the federal government had the power to negotiate treaties and to declare war.
glue traps are terrifyingly cruel, as there are other traps available, they should be avoided.