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The error:
Your boot loader is RAW and it boots from /dev/hda
/25%/tmp.mondo.28135/tmp.mondo.1403
Mindi failed to create your boot+data disks.
Fatal error. Unable to create /dev/boot_device on ramdisk

The command line:
mondoarchive -Ot -d /dev/ht0 -I ``/files -0 -F -l LILO -f /dev/hda

The log:
Analyzing your keyboard's configuration.
Adding the following keyboard mapping tables: us qwerty-layout euro
windowkeys compose linux-with-alt-and-altgr linux-keys-bare ^M            
                                                         Done.
Assembling dependency files.............................Backing up
/dev/hda's MBR
Creating /dev/boot_device (/dev/`ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/disc')
cp: cannot stat `/dev/`ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/disc\'': No such file
or directory
Fatal error. Unable to create /dev/boot_device on ramdisk

Please e-mail a copy of /tmp/mindi.err.16406.tgz to the mailing list.
See http://www.mondorescue.com for more information.
WE CANNOT HELP unless you enclose that file.
Mindi failed to create your boot+data disks.
Fatal error. Unable to create /dev/boot_device on ramdisk
-------------------------------- umount  --------------------------------
Usage: umount [-hV]
umount -a [-f] [-r] [-n] [-v] [-t vfstypes] [-O opts]
umount [-f] [-r] [-n] [-v] special | node...
--------------------------------end of output------------------------------
...ran with errors.
---FATALERROR--- Failed to generate boot+data disks
Unregistering PID


Anyone have any ideas on this?  I searched the forum and info was pretty
sparse.  Thanks for your help.

Scott Bolander
Computer Services of Cincinnati
http://www.cincysystems.com
sc...@ci...

On Saturday 28 February 2004 19:37, Hugo Rabson wrote:
> Kian Spongsveen (spam account) wrote:-
>
> >> People, this software came to you for free. As the Norse saying goes, =
"A
> >> gift demands a gift." Your gift to this project is to put some effort
>
> >
> > As a Norwegian, I had never heard that saying before.
>
> I didn't say Norwegian. I said Norse. There's a difference.
>
> It's from the Norse poem, "Havamal". The actual quotation is:-
>
>     No man is so generous he will jib at accepting
>     A gift in return for a gift,
>     No man so rich that it really gives him
>     Pain to be repaid.
>
> http://www.ragweedforge.com/havamal.html
>

Cool, nice to be quoted H=E5vam=E5l by a foreigner! Although much of it is=
=20
perennial, there are still plenty of parts that don't apply to todays=20
society. Your point about returning something for a favor is of course take=
n.

> > Sorry about being such a PITA, but I am
> > having second thoughts about using Mondo as
> > my backup and disaster recovery tool [...]
>
> That's fine. I accept your right to use another software package, just as
> you accept my right to ignore your comments in favor of those of
> Lockheed-Martin and other large companies who use Mondo on their
> mission-critical systems.
>
> However, I do wonder why you are telling me you are having second thoughts
> about using Mondo. Personally, if I find software inadequate, I don't use
> it. I've never felt the need to contact the developers of a free software
> project and tell them my reasons for opting not to use their software. Of
> course, I'm sure you have the best of intentions but can you see why your
> e-mail struck me as a bit odd?
>

OK, let me clarify my goal here. I want any distribution to be able to use=
=20
Mondo, whether that is by RPM installations or "./configure, make, make=20
install". Or emerge or whatever. If I were paying for Red Hat Enterprise=20
Linux (RHEL), I would simply ask Red Hat to send me updated packages that=20
Mondo needs if I suspected any problems. However, for those of us using a=20
distribution with basic or no support, being able to recompile stuff is=20
essential.
Or are you saying Lockheed-Martin is happy with downloading a precompiled R=
PM=20
from someones homepage as a part of the backup system for their production=
=20
servers?

If SuSE ships updated and supported packages needed by Mondo from v. 9.0=20
onwards, that makes life simpler for me. However, what about Debian, Gentoo=
=20
or Linux From Scratch (LFS) and the countless others?

I certainly don't find Mondo inadequate, I think the concept is great for i=
t's=20
niche of backup/disaster recovery. Right now, I am simply using=20
"cold-swappable" spare hard drive IDE racks and "cp" which is about as=20
risk-free as it gets but needs a reboot to swap drives.
If I end up choosing a different solution for my tiny little home servers, =
I=20
hope you appreciate the feedback on why I had problems choosing Mondo. My=20
main issue is not with Mondo itself, but the fact that I have no freaking=20
idea where to get the latest and greatest version of newt should it fail.

=2D-=20
Kian Spongsveen

-----Original Message-----
From: mon...@li...
[mailto:mon...@li...]On Behalf Of Kian
Spongsveen (spam account)
Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2004 4:54 AM
To: mon...@li...
Subject: Re: [Mondo-devel] newt and slang


I asked about getting newt for SuSE a few days ago and was told to use
rmpfind. That's what I originally did, but I have some concerns over using
something as critical as a backup/recovery tool with unknown RPMs.

On Saturday 28 February 2004 06:03, Hugo Rabson wrote:
> 1. Your Linux distro DOES supply them. (If it doesn't, it's broken & you
> need to chew your vendor out.)
>

Why? Is newt mentioned in some Linux standard that dictates it has to be
part
of a Linux distribution? SuSE 8.2 came on 2 DVDs and 5 CDs and none of that
software needed newt since they didn't ship it.

--snip--

It looks like SuSE is shipping newt again.

http://www.suse.de/us/private/products/suse_linux/i386/packages_professional
/newt.html

Kian Spongsveen (spam account) wrote:-
>> People, this software came to you for free. As the Norse saying goes, "A
>> gift demands a gift." Your gift to this project is to put some effort
into
>> installing Mondo's dependencies.
> As a Norwegian, I had never heard that saying before.

I didn't say Norwegian. I said Norse. There's a difference.

It's from the Norse poem, "Havamal". The actual quotation is:-

    No man is so generous he will jib at accepting
    A gift in return for a gift,
    No man so rich that it really gives him
    Pain to be repaid.

http://www.ragweedforge.com/havamal.html

> Sorry about being such a PITA, but I am
> having second thoughts about using Mondo as
> my backup and disaster recovery tool [...]

That's fine. I accept your right to use another software package, just as
you accept my right to ignore your comments in favor of those of
Lockheed-Martin and other large companies who use Mondo on their
mission-critical systems.

However, I do wonder why you are telling me you are having second thoughts
about using Mondo. Personally, if I find software inadequate, I don't use
it. I've never felt the need to contact the developers of a free software
project and tell them my reasons for opting not to use their software. Of
course, I'm sure you have the best of intentions but can you see why your
e-mail struck me as a bit odd?

-Hugo

Hugo Rabson wrote:
> I'm looking at:-
> - Shuttle systems, especially the good old SN41G2
> - www.solarpc.com --- nice guy, nice systems
> - www.mini-itx.com --- especially the EPIA CL 6000 & Cubid 3688 Bundle
> 
> I reckon I can build/buy each system for $500 each.
> 
> Would anyone like to recommend another mini-PC?
> 
> -Hugo

Along those same lines and don't know if you've look at these
but I have a few of thier slim series models running C3's 866 thru 1ghz 
and are very nice.

US distributor
http://www.synertrontech.com/

http://www.synertrontech.com/proddisp.asp-categoryno=100000016&categoryname=book+size+pc.htm

The newest arival looks cool....
http://www.lex.com.tw/index1.htm
http://www.lex.com.tw/case-neo.htm

On Saturday 28 February 2004 10:53, Kian Spongsveen (spam account) 
wrote:
> I asked about getting newt for SuSE a few days ago and was told to
> use rmpfind. That's what I originally did, but I have some concerns
> over using something as critical as a backup/recovery tool with
> unknown RPMs.

There is a version of newt that works with 8.x on my site. For some 
reason unknown to anyone other than SuSE, newt wasn't included in 8.1 
or 8.2. It is included in 9.0. There are also some other words of 
wisdom about 8.2 on my site. 

If you have a problem with the files, feel free to write directly to me, 
or build your own. I've tried to build the source for 0.51 newt on my 
9.0 system, and until I get my proficient at .spec files, I won't be 
able to do it. It asks for a lot of things that I just don't 
understand.

Mike



>
> As a Norwegian, I had never heard that saying before. Perhaps we
> stopped using it a thousand years ago for some reason. Anyway, I will
> try to put some more effort into this, perhaps bothering SuSE and the
> various people that seem involved in newt development.
>
> Sorry about being such a PITA, but I am having second thoughts about
> using Mondo as my backup and disaster recovery tool if I don't know
> where all parts of the code come from or whether they are being
> maintained. Mondo itself is no problem, but the underlying components
> are.

The underlying components are there. You just have to look around for 
them. I no longer have the 8.2 disks, but do have an 8.1 system that 
works well with mondo.

Mike


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Well the last time I was shopping I was quite partial to the soltek 3401, but I ended up building a monster instead :).  The soltek has two 5.25 bays may be better for testing tape drives etc.  I believe theres an amd equivelant.

For small form factor info I'd look here.  
http://www.sfftech.com/

A lot of people are talking about usinng xp-m processors as they are rated to run at 1.45v this would help keep the power consumption down, but I'm not sure if you can get a desktop board to run them at this voltage or not.  I doubt you'll beat a via mini-itx system on power though.

Mark
On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 07:48:34 -0000
"Hugo Rabson" <hug...@mo...> wrote:

> I've been looking at buy a stack (or even a rack) of 4 mini-PCs, each
> running a different flavor of Linux. I'm planning on adding serial console
> support & making my server automate parts of the software testing process.
> 
> Space, power consumption and stability are crucial.
> 
> Everything is so darn cheap right now. :) The exchange rate is very
> favorable, too.
> 
> I'm looking at:-
> - Shuttle systems, especially the good old SN41G2
> - www.solarpc.com --- nice guy, nice systems
> - www.mini-itx.com --- especially the EPIA CL 6000 & Cubid 3688 Bundle
> 
> I reckon I can build/buy each system for $500 each.
> 
> Would anyone like to recommend another mini-PC?
> 
> -Hugo
> 
> 
> 
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I asked about getting newt for SuSE a few days ago and was told to use=20
rmpfind. That's what I originally did, but I have some concerns over using=
=20
something as critical as a backup/recovery tool with unknown RPMs.

On Saturday 28 February 2004 06:03, Hugo Rabson wrote:
> 1. Your Linux distro DOES supply them. (If it doesn't, it's broken & you
> need to chew your vendor out.)
>

Why? Is newt mentioned in some Linux standard that dictates it has to be pa=
rt=20
of a Linux distribution? SuSE 8.2 came on 2 DVDs and 5 CDs and none of that=
=20
software needed newt since they didn't ship it.
=46rom what I gather, newt is "Not Erik's Windowing Toolkit" (or is it Nift=
y=20
Erik's Windowing Toolkit?), written by Erik Troan at Red Hat. It is used by=
=20
all the Red Hat specific config and installation tools. I find several=20
references to Debian too.
Who is the current maintainer?
What is the latest version?
How could I find that myself? Any Google keywords would be appreciated, my=
=20
last searches have been useless.
If I experience a problem with newt (or slang) when using Mondo, it would b=
e=20
better to get the latest version of them before reporting a bug.
There are some reports of buffer overflow issues in newt when I google for =
it.=20
I want to make sure my newt package doesn't come with any known bugs. Hence=
,=20
I want to install from a pristine source, not any RPM I happen to find=20
floating about.
The best I can find is a Red Hat RPM from
http://www.redhat.com/swr/i386/newt-0.51.4-1.i386_dl.html
or the SRPM at
ftp://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/9/en/os/i386/SRPMS/newt-0.51.4-1.src.=
rpm
or the Debian packages (version 0.51.4-23)
http://packages.qa.debian.org/n/newt.html
=46edora Core I comes with newt 0.51.6.

> 2. There is always http://rpmfind.net
>

Yes, but what if I want to get the latest source and compile it myself? Whe=
re=20
do these rpmfind RPMs come from, really? I want a source tgz file from=20
someone who promises to maintain the software.

> 3. ...Or http://www.freshmeat.net
>

There's no newt there when I search, only gNewt.

> People, this software came to you for free. As the Norse saying goes, "A
> gift demands a gift." Your gift to this project is to put some effort into
> installing Mondo's dependencies.

As a Norwegian, I had never heard that saying before. Perhaps we stopped us=
ing=20
it a thousand years ago for some reason. Anyway, I will try to put some mor=
e=20
effort into this, perhaps bothering SuSE and the various people that seem=20
involved in newt development.

Sorry about being such a PITA, but I am having second thoughts about using=
=20
Mondo as my backup and disaster recovery tool if I don't know where all par=
ts=20
of the code come from or whether they are being maintained. Mondo itself is=
=20
no problem, but the underlying components are.

=2D-=20
Kian Spongsveen

I've been looking at buy a stack (or even a rack) of 4 mini-PCs, each
running a different flavor of Linux. I'm planning on adding serial console
support & making my server automate parts of the software testing process.

Space, power consumption and stability are crucial.

Everything is so darn cheap right now. :) The exchange rate is very
favorable, too.

I'm looking at:-
- Shuttle systems, especially the good old SN41G2
- www.solarpc.com --- nice guy, nice systems
- www.mini-itx.com --- especially the EPIA CL 6000 & Cubid 3688 Bundle

I reckon I can build/buy each system for $500 each.

Would anyone like to recommend another mini-PC?

-Hugo

1. Your Linux distro DOES supply them. (If it doesn't, it's broken & you
need to chew your vendor out.)

2. There is always http://rpmfind.net

3. ...Or http://www.freshmeat.net

People, this software came to you for free. As the Norse saying goes, "A
gift demands a gift." Your gift to this project is to put some effort into
installing Mondo's dependencies.

Oh, and please only report problems with the latest snapshots of
Mondo/Mindi. If your software is 6 months old, it is possible the bug you're
experiencing has been fixed. ;)

-Hugo

On Friday 27 February 2004 12:49, Andrew Latham wrote:
> Hugo
>
> is there a list of hardware that you and the team have.
>
> I am getting some extra tape drives and one library from clients
> after upgrades. I would be more than happy to mail them to
> developers. Also would a wish list for the dev team help?

I have:

1 Lite On 8x DVD+RW/-RW drive
3~ systems (they get rebuild and shuffled around.  Some times 2 systems,=20
some times 4 systems... whatever)
all x86.  I primarily test NFS based backups.

My "wishlist" would include athlon64 hardware, but I'm already in the=20
process of purchasing an athlon64 workstation.  I could use an Opteron=20
CPU and memory though, as I'm going to buy a ghetto opteron board from=20
work and use it for building and testing.

Of course, this is just me, this is not Hugo in any way.

=2D-=20
Jesse Keating RHCE      (geek.j2solutions.net)
=46edora Legacy Team      (www.fedoralegacy.org)
Mondo DevTeam           (www.mondorescue.org)
GPG Public Key          (geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub)
=20
Was I helpful?  Let others know:
 http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=3Djkeating

try this out - "mondoarchive -Ow 8 -s 700m -5 -d /dev/scd0 -E /mnt"

don't worry about the "FATALERROR Failed to generate boot+data disks."


--- Rickjc <ri...@nt...> wrote:
> I am just try Mondo for the first time and get the message
> FATALERROR Failed to generate boot+data disks.
> I have sort this my self but with no luck the command I am using is 
> /usr/local/bin/mondoarchive -Ow 8 -s 700m -d 0,0,0 -5 -E /mnt/win_c, 
> /mnt/win_d, /mnt/win_e, /mnt/win_f -I LILO -f /dev/hda
> 
> I have also try /usr/local/bin/mondoarchive -Ow 8 -s 700m -d 0,0,0 -5 -E 
> /dev/hda -f -I LILO -f /dev/hda
> 
> I think this maybe due to missing package newt-devel, slang, slang-devel and 
> ncurses-devel. I have look on the internet for them but can not find them, my
> 
> Linux is Mandrake 9.2. I did find a copy of slang-1.4.9-3.i386.rpm but this 
> just screw my system up and was not able to start Mondo until I restored it 
> from my distribution CD. If it is down to the above packages can some let me 
> know ware I can find them. I have only been using Linux for two weeks, so any
> 
> help would be great.
> 
> Thanks
> 	Rick
> 

> ATTACHMENT part 2 application/x-gzip name=MA.log.gz


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is there a list of hardware that you and the team have. 

I am getting some extra tape drives and one library from clients after
upgrades. I would be more than happy to mail them to developers. Also
would a wish list for the dev team help?


--- Mark Newman <mar...@nt...> wrote:
> 
> :)
> 
> Mark
> 
> On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 20:32:02 -0000
> "Hugo Rabson" <hug...@mo...> wrote:
> 
> > Mark Newman wrote:-
> > > I  may be entirely off base here.  But are you sure that mondo 
> > > needs changes to run on amd34.  I know there are issues with lilo 
> > > building in 64 bit.  But mondo may well build and run as it is?
> > 
> > Probably.
> > 
> > Of course, "Probably" won't do for my customers. :)
> > 
> > -Hugo
> > 
> > 
> > 
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:)

Mark

On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 20:32:02 -0000
"Hugo Rabson" <hug...@mo...> wrote:

> Mark Newman wrote:-
> > I  may be entirely off base here.  But are you sure that mondo 
> > needs changes to run on amd34.  I know there are issues with lilo 
> > building in 64 bit.  But mondo may well build and run as it is?
> 
> Probably.
> 
> Of course, "Probably" won't do for my customers. :)
> 
> -Hugo
> 
> 
> 
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Mark Newman wrote:-
> I  may be entirely off base here.  But are you sure that mondo 
> needs changes to run on amd34.  I know there are issues with lilo 
> building in 64 bit.  But mondo may well build and run as it is?

Probably.

Of course, "Probably" won't do for my customers. :)

-Hugo

I  may be entirely off base here.  But are you sure that mondo needs changes to run on amd34.  I know there are issues with lilo building in 64 bit.  But mondo may well build and run as it is?

Mark

On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 19:26:24 -0000
"Hugo Rabson" <hug...@mo...> wrote:

> My investor has authorized the purchase of a Shuttle SN85G4 with
> accoutrements. I'll be adding support for SuSE 9 (64-bit) in 14-21 days.
> 
> -Hugo
> 
> 
> 
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On Friday 27 February 2004 20:26, Hugo Rabson wrote:
> My investor has authorized the purchase of a Shuttle SN85G4 with
> accoutrements. I'll be adding support for SuSE 9 (64-bit) in 14-21
> days.

Could you talk to your investor, and see if they would authorize a dual 
opteron purchase for me (for testing purposes only)....... Yea 
right!! ;-)

Well, a guy can hope can't he??

Mike


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 Powered by SuSE 9.0 Kernel 2.4.21 KDE 3.1.4  Kmail 1.5.4
 For SuSE Mondo/Mindi backup support go to 
     http://www.mikenjane.net/~mike
  8:49pm  up 6 days 10:42,  4 users,  load average: 1.10, 1.11, 1.17

My investor has authorized the purchase of a Shuttle SN85G4 with
accoutrements. I'll be adding support for SuSE 9 (64-bit) in 14-21 days.

-Hugo

I am just try Mondo for the first time and get the message
FATALERROR Failed to generate boot+data disks.
I have sort this my self but with no luck the command I am using is 
/usr/local/bin/mondoarchive -Ow 8 -s 700m -d 0,0,0 -5 -E /mnt/win_c, 
/mnt/win_d, /mnt/win_e, /mnt/win_f -I LILO -f /dev/hda

I have also try /usr/local/bin/mondoarchive -Ow 8 -s 700m -d 0,0,0 -5 -E 
/dev/hda -f -I LILO -f /dev/hda

I think this maybe due to missing package newt-devel, slang, slang-devel and 
ncurses-devel. I have look on the internet for them but can not find them, my 
Linux is Mandrake 9.2. I did find a copy of slang-1.4.9-3.i386.rpm but this 
just screw my system up and was not able to start Mondo until I restored it 
from my distribution CD. If it is down to the above packages can some let me 
know ware I can find them. I have only been using Linux for two weeks, so any 
help would be great.

Thanks
	Rick

Log Message:
-----------
Modified am_I_in_disaster_recovery_mode (B.Murrell)

Modified Files:
--------------
    /data/cvs/mondorescue/mondo-devel/mondo/common:
        libmondo-devices.c

mindi v0.92_20030409
MINDI_HOME = /usr/local/share/mindi
MONDO_HOME =
Found isolinux.bin at /usr/lib/syslinux/isolinux.bin
Mindi Linux mini-distro generator v0.92_20030409 by HRabson
<hu...@fi...>-------------------------------------------------------
-----------------------insmod: cdrom: no module by that name found
Fatal error. Can't loopmount /tmp/mindilinux/28436/mountpoint.28436; does
your kernel support loopfs? If not, please recompile your kernel. Your Linux
distro is broken.

20030409 is the date. That's April 2003. That's a little old, don't you
think?

-Hugo


-----Original Message-----
From: mon...@li...
[mailto:mon...@li...]On Behalf Of John Dekowski
Sent: 27 February 2004 03:52
To: mon...@li...
Subject: [Mondo-devel] Mindi failing on Gentoo linux 1.4


I am using the current gs-sources kernel.  Please let me know what other
info might help:

My mindi version is bombing out stating that it can’t create a mountloop.




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On Mon, 2004-02-23 at 22:38, Jarod C. Wilson wrote:
> On Feb 23, 2004, Kendric Beachey wrote:
> > On Mon, 2004-02-23 at 07:01, Andreas Micklei wrote:
> >> On Mon, Feb 23, 2004 at 07:15:22AM -0000, Hugo Rabson wrote:
> >>> ... after I made the /etc/fstab file point to /dev/hda1, 
> >>> hda2, hda3
> >>> instead of /dev/BOOT, /dev/ROOT, /dev/SWAP.
> >>
> >> It should not be hard for a Gentoo user to modify the
> >> fstab according to Mondos requirements. I put /dev/hda1, etc in there
> >> anyway, and Gentoo happily accepts it.
> >
> > That's what I do in my fstab too, since I can't get Gentoo to boot with
> > its own settings.  :-)  Not that I've tried very hard; I probably only
> > have to reboot every 100 days or so when the power goes out.
> 
> Um, /dev/ROOT, /dev/BOOT and /dev/SWAP are simply place-holders in the 
> initial example fstab, to be replaced with your actual partition 
> numbers... I thought the Gentoo installation handbook made that pretty 
> clear, but in looking at it again just now, I guess it isn't entirely 
> obvious (nor is it obvious from the comments in said example fstab). 
> But no, you aren't supposed to leave those like that, you're supposed 
> to change them to your actual partition numbers, so Gentoo isn't 
> actually doing anything out of the ordinary there.

Ahhhhhhh!  Makes more sense that way.  I somehow have the thought that
I've seen some ebuild or some other config file rewritten by emerge
actually using that /dev/BOOT type notation.  Maybe that too was a place
I was supposed to fill in the blank.  I can't remember where I would
have seen that now.
--
Kendric Beachey

Good afternoon,

On 26/2/04 at 7:20 PM -0000, Conor Daly <con...@oc...> wrote:

>It's in /var/cache/mondoarchive/last-backup

On my system it is /var/cache/mondo-archive/last-backup but otherwise that =
is
exactly what I needed to know. Thanks (& to Hugo too) for the info.


Charlie

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   Charlie Garrison    gar...@ze...
   PO Box 141, Windsor, NSW 2756, Australia

Pardon me for jumping into the thread without reading more than the=20
last response.  But there is a project for installing Gentoo that
aims to make the install process a breeze.

http://glis.sourceforge.net/
Facilitates the installation of Gentoo Linux, a distribution which has
no automated install routine. It asks the user important questions and
then does an automated install.

Additional benefits to mondo are the ability to quickly test newer=20
builds of Mondo by Gentoo developers.
My 2cents.
-Joe Baker


On Mon, 2004-02-23 at 04:17, Mark Newman wrote:
> Hi
>=20
> I came to Gentoo at about Mandrake 8 time.  While the install is more inv=
olved, I must say that I seem to get much less hastle running Gentoo.
>=20
> In my Mandrake days it went something like this.  Install latest Mandrake=
 version. all is well.  Wow there's a new version of (insert package here) =
or I'd really like to try out setting up X (a package not supported by Mand=
rake).  I'd then invariably break something, I'd find a half fix, but by th=
e time the next version of Mandrake came along something on my box would be=
 broken.  I'd then install the new Mandrake and the cycle would begin again=
 :).  For sone reason automounting was often the first to go :)
>=20
> Now I'm not claiming this is anything other than user error, but I dont s=
eem to have nearly as much trouble under Gentoo, and when I do because I in=
stalled from scratch I have a better idea of how to fix it.  Also the Gento=
o docs, forums etc often have the information I need.  I find gentoos init =
scripts etc much easier to understand.
>=20
> Its not for everybody, and I certainly take your point about install time=
s.  But you have to install much less often and can stay pretty much as ble=
eding edge as you want all the time.
>=20
> I'd like to add that I appreciate the fact that you took the time to inst=
all a Gentoo test system.
>=20
> Thanks
>=20
> Mark
>=20
> On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 19:28:13 -0000
> "Hugo Rabson" <hug...@mo...> wrote:
>=20
> > Merwan Kashouty wrote:-
> > > lol... that would explain "i finally finished the install i started i=
n
> > > january" ... uh you could have read the documentation and/or asked fo=
r
> > > help in irc.... :D
> >=20
> > I did read the documentation. You're not talking to a 16yo kid here. I =
have
> > a full-time job, a full-time degree, a pregnant wife and a small busine=
ss to
> > run. I don't have time to wade through 50 pages of documentation to ins=
tall
> > a Linux distro. :)
> >=20
> > I described the installation process to my wife. After about 2 minutes,=
 she
> > stopped me & said, "Woah, you're s***ing me. You mean you have to do al=
l
> > that yourself? Christ, no wonder no-one uses Linux."
> >=20
> > I rest my case.
> >=20
> > -Hugo
> >=20
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Hi

I came to Gentoo at about Mandrake 8 time.  While the install is more involved, I must say that I seem to get much less hastle running Gentoo.

In my Mandrake days it went something like this.  Install latest Mandrake version. all is well.  Wow there's a new version of (insert package here) or I'd really like to try out setting up X (a package not supported by Mandrake).  I'd then invariably break something, I'd find a half fix, but by the time the next version of Mandrake came along something on my box would be broken.  I'd then install the new Mandrake and the cycle would begin again :).  For sone reason automounting was often the first to go :)

Now I'm not claiming this is anything other than user error, but I dont seem to have nearly as much trouble under Gentoo, and when I do because I installed from scratch I have a better idea of how to fix it.  Also the Gentoo docs, forums etc often have the information I need.  I find gentoos init scripts etc much easier to understand.

Its not for everybody, and I certainly take your point about install times.  But you have to install much less often and can stay pretty much as bleeding edge as you want all the time.

I'd like to add that I appreciate the fact that you took the time to install a Gentoo test system.

Thanks

Mark

On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 19:28:13 -0000
"Hugo Rabson" <hug...@mo...> wrote:

> Merwan Kashouty wrote:-
> > lol... that would explain "i finally finished the install i started in
> > january" ... uh you could have read the documentation and/or asked for
> > help in irc.... :D
> 
> I did read the documentation. You're not talking to a 16yo kid here. I have
> a full-time job, a full-time degree, a pregnant wife and a small business to
> run. I don't have time to wade through 50 pages of documentation to install
> a Linux distro. :)
> 
> I described the installation process to my wife. After about 2 minutes, she
> stopped me & said, "Woah, you're s***ing me. You mean you have to do all
> that yourself? Christ, no wonder no-one uses Linux."
> 
> I rest my case.
> 
> -Hugo
> 
> 
> 
> 
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