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Just for the fun of it, I tried the CD install.

No errors or complaints.

I have to pick my time for full backup as it is a production server.

Thanks for your help and fine work.

Randy

Stefan U. Hegner (Mobil) wrote:-
> Am Mit, den 30.06.2004 schrieb Hugo Rabson um 09:05:
> > Stefan U. Hegner (Mobil) wrote:-
> > > Thanks for your note in the bugzilla. - As far as I see,
> Gentoo's Mondo
> > > maintainer has already contacted you.
> >
> > If you say so. I don't see anything in my inbox from anyone
> involved with
> > Gentoo.
> go to http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=42627:

Stefan, that's not an attempt to contact me. That's a message left on a
bugzilla. That's as bad as asking me for technical support via
mondorescue.org's guest book (which people do, by the way).

Your first message on this subject was, "Are there any news regarding the
Gentoo scripts?"

Well, now that you've found the Mondo package maintainer at Gentoo, you
should go to him for news, surely? :) After all, I've published the source
code. Surely the job of the Mondo package maintainer at Gentoo is to wrap
that source code up in a nice package?

Then you said, "I appreciate your willingness to help; I also understand
that you don't want to write/maintain the ebuild ... but I simply don't know
how to do it."

Very well. That means we need someone at Gentoo to offer to maintain a Mondo
package for that distro. Wait! Someone already has. Isn't that great? :) I'm
sure you'll want to contact him (you have his details, I gather) and ask him
how it's going.

> I get your point. And I understand your frustration. But I think that is
> an issue you should address to John as he represents Gentoo.

Wait a minute... You're the one who wants Mondo for Gentoo. Why am I
contacting John, when you want the packages? I'm confused.

-Hugo

Conor Daly wrote:-
> I seem to remember a discussion on a too long list for the -E
> flag.  I found
> the -J switch but that seems to be a replacement for -I (ie. filelist to
> include).  Is there a matching switch for a big _exclude_ list?

No... but you could always make sure your include list contains all the
right files & none of the wrong ones. :)

# find / | grep -vx /proc | grep -vx /tmp | grep -vx /kazaa >
/tmp/filelist.mine
# mondoarchive -J /tmp/filelist.mine [...]

-Hugo

Either
a) Use the Mondo Installer CD, which sorts out the softlinks and
dependencies for you; or
b) Use Mike Roark's Newt and Slang RPMs.

Of course, if you would like to contact SuSE & ask them to fix their Newt
and Slang RPMs, that would be great too.

-Hugo


> -----Original Message-----
> From: mon...@li...
> [mailto:mon...@li...]On Behalf Of Andrei
> Verovski (aka MacGuru)
> Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 9:18 AM
> To: mon...@li...
> Subject: [Mondo-devel] Again link problem with Mondo on SuSE 9.1
>
>
> Hi,
>
> Just downloaded new Mondo 2.02 for SuSE 9.1. Again linking problem:
>
> mondoarchive: error while loading shared libraries:
> libnewt.so.0.50: cannot
> open shared object file: No such file or directory
>
> Anyone had a clue?
>
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Randy Arnold wrote:-
> I am unclear after looking at the website if Mondo will work with FC 2.
> I had no trouble with RH 9.

It should be fine. The FC2 RPMs are on the website.

http://www.mondorescue.org/download/MondoCD/index.html

-Hugo

I am unclear after looking at the website if Mondo will work with FC 2.
I had no trouble with RH 9.

I just need a little guidance.

Thanks,

Randy

On Wednesday 30 June 2004 19:37, Andrei Verovski (aka MacGuru) wrote:
>
> > Hugo's is 0.50, and mine is 0.51. I know it works, and even supply
> > it. However you don't think my download is fast enough for you, so
> > you chose to download elsewhere. Your choice.
>
> Hi, Mike,
>
> Do you have 2.02 on your ftp?

It's available either on http from my webpage, or ftp. I just made sure 
it was there..

Mike

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On Wednesday 30 June 2004 08:04 pm, Mike wrote:
> Yes, you don't have newt 0.50 installed. I guess that you downloaded the
> one from Hugo's site. That's fine. Install the newt from the
> distribution, and it will work. Just don't be surprised when it
> segfaults on restore. Or even during the backup if you use the gui
> interface.
>
> Here's how it works. When the program is compiled it references whatever
> version of newt is available on that particular system. Hugo's is 0.50,
> and mine is 0.51. I know it works, and even supply it. However you
> don't think my download is fast enough for you, so you chose to
> download elsewhere. Your choice.

Hi, Mike,

Do you have 2.02 on your ftp?

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On Wednesday 30 June 2004 18:18, Andrei Verovski (aka MacGuru) wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Just downloaded new Mondo 2.02 for SuSE 9.1. Again linking problem:
>
> mondoarchive: error while loading shared libraries: libnewt.so.0.50:
> cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
>
> Anyone had a clue?

Yes, you don't have newt 0.50 installed. I guess that you downloaded the 
one from Hugo's site. That's fine. Install the newt from the 
distribution, and it will work. Just don't be surprised when it 
segfaults on restore. Or even during the backup if you use the gui 
interface.

Here's how it works. When the program is compiled it references whatever 
version of newt is available on that particular system. Hugo's is 0.50, 
and mine is 0.51. I know it works, and even supply it. However you 
don't think my download is fast enough for you, so you chose to 
download elsewhere. Your choice.

Mike

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Hi,

Just downloaded new Mondo 2.02 for SuSE 9.1. Again linking problem:

mondoarchive: error while loading shared libraries: libnewt.so.0.50: cannot=
=20
open shared object file: No such file or directory

Anyone had a clue?

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***
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I seem to remember a discussion on a too long list for the -E flag.  I found
the -J switch but that seems to be a replacement for -I (ie. filelist to
include).  Is there a matching switch for a big _exclude_ list?

mondo-2.x 

It's not available for mondo-1.6x I presume...

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Am Mit, den 30.06.2004 schrieb Hugo Rabson um 09:05:
> Stefan U. Hegner (Mobil) wrote:-
> > Thanks for your note in the bugzilla. - As far as I see, Gentoo's Mondo
> > maintainer has already contacted you.
>=20
> If you say so. I don't see anything in my inbox from anyone involved with
> Gentoo.

go to http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3D42627:

|-- Additional Comment #4 From Hugo Rabson 2004-06-25 11:17 PST=20
| I'm happy to release e-builds for Mondo and Mindi if a Gentoo developer=20
| will assist me in the crafting of a script to automate the process.
|
|-- Additional Comment #5 From John Mylchreest 2004-06-26 03:20 PST=20
| being the current (although heavily casual) maintainer of these packages,
| I would be more than happy to help  you out hugo.
| just drop me a mail or catch me on irc #gentoo-dev on freenode. nick: joh=
nm
|
| Thanks for the co-operation :)
Johns email is his nick (see above) at gentoo.org

> No-one from Gentoo has contacted me for months - or, if they have, they
> haven't identified themselves or offered to produce Gentoo packages.
>=20
> Do you realize how insulting it is when people take a program:-
> - available for free
> - whose source is available for free
> ...and fail miserably to even TRY to re-package it for another distro,
> instead contacting me & asking me to do it (or asking me to ask others to=
 do
> it)?

I get your point. And I understand your frustration. But I think that is
an issue you should address to John as he represents Gentoo. Although
I'm using Gentoo, I don't feel responsible for their failure in
corporate politics. - Nevertheless, these are facts better borne in mind
when setting up the next box...

> You'll continue "eagerly looking forward" like the French Lieutenant's Wo=
man
> until you (or someone like you) can find the time to help me.
Hugo, I don't want to bring this down on a personal level. As already
stated elsewhere, I'm not a software developer and my coding skills are
severely limited. And in the same way that I am currently unable to
write these scripts myself, there are for sure also things, you don't do
yourself because you lack the skills.

All I do is trying to help you by facilitating to get those guys in
touch with you, that can help you. - That's at least something, isn't
it?

Regards,

Stefan.

Mondo 2.0x (formerly 1.7x) hasn't handled multi-level differential backups
since September 2003, perhaps even earlier. It was abandoned when
'mondo-makefilelist' (the shell script) was abandoned.

If someone feels strongly enough, I'm sure they'll re-introduce it. This is
an Open Source project & therefore the source code is right there for anyone
who feels inclined to modify it.

-Hugo


> -----Original Message-----
> From: mon...@li...
> [mailto:mon...@li...]On Behalf Of Conor Daly
> Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 1:38 AM
> To: Mondo List
> Subject: [Mondo-devel] New timestamp files?
>
>
> Running mondo-2.02, I notice that /var/cache/mondo-archive no longer
> contains 'last-backup' as a timestamp.  Instead there exists
> 'difflevel.0'.
> Can you confirm that this is the new timestamp?  Can I use it as
> I was using
> last-backup to make a third differential level?  Does the '0'
> after the name
> 'difflevel' suggest to anynoe else that there could exist
> 'difflevel.1'?  Is
> this wishlist rather than reality yet?
>
> I've been doing the following with last-backup on a machine running
> mondo-1.65 which I want to upgrade to 2.02:
>
> Full:
> mondoarchive -O ...
> copy last-backup to last-full-backup
>
> Differential level 1:
> copy last-full-backup to last-backup
> mondoarchive -D -O ...
> copy last-backup to last-diff-backup
>
> Differential level 2:
> copy last-diff-backup to last-backup
> mondoarchive -D -O ...
>
> Full does the whole machine.  Differential level 1 does everything since
> Full.  Differential level 2 does everything since Differential level 1.
>
> I do this 'cos the machine is backed up to CDRW via cron nightly
> and I need
> a method to keep the nightly to 1 CDRW.  Running a diff level 1
> from time to
> time keeps the nightly small and I end up with a 12xCD full, a
> 2-3xCDRW diff
> and a 5-night rolling 1xCDRW diff.
>
> The script which handles this for mondo-1.6x is at:
> http://www.cod.utvinternet.com/download/mondo-backup/mondo-backup.sh
>
> Conor
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Running mondo-2.02, I notice that /var/cache/mondo-archive no longer
contains 'last-backup' as a timestamp.  Instead there exists 'difflevel.0'.
Can you confirm that this is the new timestamp?  Can I use it as I was using
last-backup to make a third differential level?  Does the '0' after the name
'difflevel' suggest to anynoe else that there could exist 'difflevel.1'?  Is
this wishlist rather than reality yet?

I've been doing the following with last-backup on a machine running
mondo-1.65 which I want to upgrade to 2.02:

Full:
mondoarchive -O ...
copy last-backup to last-full-backup

Differential level 1:
copy last-full-backup to last-backup
mondoarchive -D -O ...
copy last-backup to last-diff-backup

Differential level 2:
copy last-diff-backup to last-backup
mondoarchive -D -O ...

Full does the whole machine.  Differential level 1 does everything since
Full.  Differential level 2 does everything since Differential level 1.

I do this 'cos the machine is backed up to CDRW via cron nightly and I need
a method to keep the nightly to 1 CDRW.  Running a diff level 1 from time to
time keeps the nightly small and I end up with a 12xCD full, a 2-3xCDRW diff
and a 5-night rolling 1xCDRW diff.

The script which handles this for mondo-1.6x is at:
http://www.cod.utvinternet.com/download/mondo-backup/mondo-backup.sh

Conor
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Hugo Rabson wrote:

> until you (or someone like you) can find the time to help me. Must I
> re-package Mondo for every major Linux distro single-handedly?
>=20
> -Hugo

gentoo is said to be a "full compilation" distro, so I don't see why you=20
should package anything :-)

thanks for your work

jdd

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Stefan U. Hegner (Mobil) wrote:-
> > Sounds cool. - Go to http://bugs.gentoo.org - enter "mondo" into search
> > field and hit "search". Currently you get 4 results.
> > Relevant are bugs #42627 and/or #54371, in fact they are duplicates!
> Thanks for your note in the bugzilla. - As far as I see, Gentoo's Mondo
> maintainer has already contacted you.

If you say so. I don't see anything in my inbox from anyone involved with
Gentoo.

> ... I'm eagerly looking forward to the first fruits of that co-operation
> and I'll be definitely among the first to test it!

No-one from Gentoo has contacted me for months - or, if they have, they
haven't identified themselves or offered to produce Gentoo packages.

Do you realize how insulting it is when people take a program:-
- available for free
- whose source is available for free
...and fail miserably to even TRY to re-package it for another distro,
instead contacting me & asking me to do it (or asking me to ask others to do
it)?

You'll continue "eagerly looking forward" like the French Lieutenant's Woman
until you (or someone like you) can find the time to help me. Must I
re-package Mondo for every major Linux distro single-handedly?

-Hugo

Dear Hugo,

Am Fre, den 25.06.2004 schrieb Stefan U. Hegner (Mobil) um 18:47:
> Am Don, den 24.06.2004 schrieb Hugo Rabson um 21:00:
> > Stefan U. Hegner (Mobil) wrote:-
> > > Maybe I can convince you to signal your willingness to cooperate
> > > to the Gentoo guys by putting it into their bugzilla.
> >=20
> > Send me the URL; I'll leave a msg saying I want to support Gentoo; you =
&
> > your friends leave msgs too, backing me up. How's that? :)
>=20
> Sounds cool. - Go to http://bugs.gentoo.org - enter "mondo" into search
> field and hit "search". Currently you get 4 results.
>=20
> Relevant are bugs #42627 and/or #54371, in fact they are duplicates!

Thanks for your note in the bugzilla. - As far as I see, Gentoo's Mondo
maintainer has already contacted you.

... I'm eagerly looking forward to the first fruits of that co-operation
and I'll be definitely among the first to test it!

Thanks again!

Stefan.

- mondo-2.02_cvs_20040629
- mindi-1.02_cvs_20040629
See http://www.mondorescue.org/download/MondoCD/index.html

Changes:-
- better LVM-on-RAID support
- better GRUB support



-Hugo

Bruno Cornec wrote:-
> Hugo Rabson (hug...@mo...) said:
> > Sooner or later, someone will fix fdisk and/or the kernel so
> > that calling fdisk more than twice doesn't risk locking up
> > the partition table (see the error message below).
> > > Calling ioctl() to re-read partition table.
> > > WARNING: Re-reading the partition table failed with error 16:
> > > Device or resource busy.
> I don't think it's linked to the number of times, but rather to the fact
> that the disk is in use or not by the kernel.

In this case, I've worked around the problem by using fdisk itself (not
'dd') to blank the partition table. It's more elegant & it reduces the risk
of lock-ups. Mondo 2.03 will contain this new code.

> Generally you REALLY have to reboot so that the system reads the new
> partition layout. I won't myself go further, as I've seen extremely
> bad things when you think you're more clever than Linux :-)

Ugh. Tell me about it. :-)

-Hugo

Hello John,


McKiernan, John (joh...@hp...) said:
> lzop-1.01-1mdk.i586

This is a mandrake package :-)
>=20
> I can't find anything like that.  Is this an error ?

Internally inside HP use:
ftp://eurolinux.grenoble.hp.com/pub/linux/redhat-contrib/libc6/SRPMS/lzop=
-1.00-1.src.rpm

And recompile it for your distro.
rpmbuild -ba e.g.

> Is Mondo-Rescue 1.xx for RHEL 3.0 available ?  If so, where ?

Just do the same with the mondo src RPMS:
ftp://eurolinux.grenoble.hp.com/pub/linux/mondo/download/MondoCD/SRPMS/mo=
ndo-1.75-1.src.rpm

as well as mindi of course.

Best regards,
Bruno.
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Hugo Rabson (hug...@mo...) said:

> Sooner or later, someone will fix fdisk and/or the kernel so that calli=
ng
> fdisk more than twice doesn't risk locking up the partition table (see =
the
> error message below).
>=20
> > Calling ioctl() to re-read partition table.
> > WARNING: Re-reading the partition table failed with error 16: Device =
or
> > resource busy.

I don't think it's linked to the number of times, but rather to the fact=20
that the disk is in use or not by the kernel.

If you mounted something from one disk and want to change the partition
table of that same disk, then you get this message.

Generally you REALLY have to reboot so that the system reads the new
partition layout. I won't myself go further, as I've seen extremely
bad things when you think you're more clever than Linux :-)
>=20
> Bruno Cornec and I have been talking about using parted instead of fdis=
k.
> Perhaps this will circumvent the problem.

I'm not sure parted is widely available in all distro.=20
OTOH, if we want to go that way, my parted2fdisk tool could then be
useful :-)

Bruno.
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L. Mark Bruffey wrote:-
> Which device should I specify for the TR3 (as floppy)? Backup fails to 
> begin properly with interactive "mondoarchive." With tar I can write to 
> /dev/qft0, but mondo does not appear to be able to do so. Why not?

Perhaps Mondo has a bug?

-Hugo

Which device should I specify for the TR3 (as floppy)? Backup fails to 
begin properly with interactive "mondoarchive." With tar I can write to 
/dev/qft0, but mondo does not appear to be able to do so. Why not?

On Monday 28 June 2004 20:49, Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote:
>
> > until one day I was looking around for something in /etc and
> > noticed there was no raidtab. Thought it a bit strange, so I
> > created it manually. When I re-booted the next time, System died.
> > Wouldn't boot. Hung on the raid stuff. So I booted into rescue, and
> > removed the raidtab. System booted just fine after that. What I
> > find strange is that mondo recognized it when I did my backups. I
> > didn't have any trouble with interactive restores of individual
> > files. Compare worked just fine. I must admit that I didn't do a
> > complete restore.
>
> there is no need to have a valid /etc/raidtab.
> Current Linux soft-raid is doing autodetection and raidtab is not
> read/touched anyway. I have to admit that it would be nicer if a
> synced raidtab were provided but I don't think it's a bug.

Thanks for the info. I didn't know this. And for the time that I used 
it, I had no problems. I still have the backup for my 9.0. Just might 
have to see what happens if I try a restore with the raid..

Mike

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Hmmm ... No reply at all ...

Taking another tack, I notice the file list (RPMs, spec, etc.)
for RHEL 3.0 includes :

lzop-1.01-1mdk.i586

I can't find anything like that.  Is this an error ?

-----Original Message-----
From: mon...@li...
[mailto:mon...@li...] On Behalf Of McKiernan,
John
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 10:30 AM
To: mon...@li...
Subject: [Mondo-devel] Mondo-Rescue 1.xx for Red Hat RHEL 3.0 ?


I did lots of successful work with Mondo-Rescue 1.6x on earlier
releases of Red Hat Linux.  Now I need to test using RHEL 3.0 .

The software download URL=20
http://www.mondorescue.org/download/MondoCD/index.html
seems to provide only version 2.01 Mondo-Rescue software for
RHEL 3.0 , and several attempts with that version have not yet
created a bootable recovery CD .

Is Mondo-Rescue 1.xx for RHEL 3.0 available ?  If so, where ?

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