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  • @epebble
    @Hail

    But somehow, Pittsburgh is losing people, always! I visited the place more than 25 years back. It was beautiful but with a definite 1950s feel to it (plus glass towers in center city), with remnants of rusty furnaces and smokestacks still around.


    1950 676,806 0.8%
    1960 604,332 −10.7%
    1970 520,117 −13.9%
    1980 423,938 −18.5%
    1990 369,879 −12.8%
    2000 334,563 −9.5%
    2010 305,704 −8.6%
    2020 302,971 −0.9%
    2024 (est.) 307,668 1.6%

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Hail

    (White) population decline since 1950 is the story of nearly every American city.

    Since ~1990, most US cities have tried to reverse the decline with a mass influx of Hispanics and to a lesser extent Asians and foreign blacks. This allows them claim they are “growing” while sweeping the effect of substituting net tax liabilities for net tax assets under the rug.

    Pittsburgh is unusual only in that it has deferred replacing lost whites with non-whites, which means that they have to endure demoralizing decline statistics like what you showed. OTOH, they avoided the race-driven death-spiral of fellow rust belt cities like Detroit. So there’s that.

    Nowadays Pittsburgh is importing non-whites (hence your 2024 figure), but has preferred Asians to Hispanics, so their municipal books will probably be sounder.

    • Thanks: Hail
    • Replies: @epebble
    @Almost Missouri

    Some cities have done well. Boston, Seattle, San Diego, San Jose, Phoenix, Dallas, Raleigh, NC area have all done better than Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh had the advantage of skilled workers, universities (Carnegie Mellon and University of Pittsburgh), nearness to pioneering companies like Univac and CDC. But it did not emerge as a successful city compared others.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

  • @epebble
    @Hail

    But somehow, Pittsburgh is losing people, always! I visited the place more than 25 years back. It was beautiful but with a definite 1950s feel to it (plus glass towers in center city), with remnants of rusty furnaces and smokestacks still around.


    1950 676,806 0.8%
    1960 604,332 −10.7%
    1970 520,117 −13.9%
    1980 423,938 −18.5%
    1990 369,879 −12.8%
    2000 334,563 −9.5%
    2010 305,704 −8.6%
    2020 302,971 −0.9%
    2024 (est.) 307,668 1.6%

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Hail

    It looks like Pittsburgh City is stable in population for the past twenty years. It accumulated substantial numbers of Blacks but somehow never tipped over into an ever-increasing-Black spiral. The ratio of around 275:100 White:Black has been stable for forty years.

    The metropolitan area is what matters (city-limits can often be arbitrary) and it seems that outside Pittsburgh City the population is something nearer 100% White in many places.

  • @Mike Tre
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Putting Corvanus and Mr. Anon in the same sentence is risible. Mr. Anon and I have disagreed plenty of times, but amazingly, he has never come at me with the pejoratives he has used for others (nor I, him), so maybe it's not all him? Like it takes two to tango and all that? Perhaps his message does get lost in his delivery, but then again so does yours, with your constant needling and somewhat extensive and arbitrary devil's advocacy. When it becomes clear that you're simply amusing yourself to annoy other commenters, that's when I skip on down. I doubt I'm alone in that regard.

    Mr Anon was one of the few here who was willing challenge Sailer directly on his daft kovid stance, and he took the two loathsome hacks known as Ha and That Would Be Telling to task. For that, he should have any reasonable person's gratitude.

    The commenters that disagree with me above all think the planes that flew into the WTC were holograms or something. Which is fine, I don't really care, but it kinda discredits their authority on the matter.

    Replies: @vinteuil, @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Mr Anon was one of the few here who was willing challenge Sailer directly on his daft kovid stance, and he took the two loathsome hacks known as Ha and That Would Be Telling to task. For that, he should have any reasonable person’s gratitude.

    Yes, this.

    • Thanks: Mr. Anon, Hail
  • @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Mike Tre



    Corvi and Mr anon are mellow compared to them.
     
    I suggest you reassess your opinion of Mr Anon. He is one of the best commenters here.
     
    Currdog is at least correct in his implication that Mr. Anon is overly excitable. I find Mr. Anon's ire amusing, but it detracts from Mr. Anon coming across as a serious person.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Mike Tre, @Corpse Tooth

    Putting Corvanus and Mr. Anon in the same sentence is risible. Mr. Anon and I have disagreed plenty of times, but amazingly, he has never come at me with the pejoratives he has used for others (nor I, him), so maybe it’s not all him? Like it takes two to tango and all that? Perhaps his message does get lost in his delivery, but then again so does yours, with your constant needling and somewhat extensive and arbitrary devil’s advocacy. When it becomes clear that you’re simply amusing yourself to annoy other commenters, that’s when I skip on down. I doubt I’m alone in that regard.

    Mr Anon was one of the few here who was willing challenge Sailer directly on his daft kovid stance, and he took the two loathsome hacks known as Ha and That Would Be Telling to task. For that, he should have any reasonable person’s gratitude.

    The commenters that disagree with me above all think the planes that flew into the WTC were holograms or something. Which is fine, I don’t really care, but it kinda discredits their authority on the matter.

    • Thanks: Mr. Anon, Hail
    • Replies: @vinteuil
    @Mike Tre


    Mr Anon was one of the few here who was willing challenge Sailer directly on his daft kovid stance, and he took the two loathsome hacks known as Ha and That Would Be Telling to task. For that, he should have any reasonable person’s gratitude.
     
    Yes, this.
    , @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Mike Tre


    Putting Corvanus and Mr. Anon in the same sentence is risible.
     
    I know that's aimed at Currdog; but just so other readers know, I didn't compare them.

    Like it takes two to tango and all that?
     
    Right, as I said: I don’t actually mind Mr. Anon’s ire. Catch us on Dancing with the Stars on ABC Primetime.

    Perhaps his message does get lost in his delivery,
     
    No, his delivery is quite intelligible. Not saying he’s right all the time, but I always know what he means.

    … but then again so does yours, with your constant needling and somewhat extensive and arbitrary devil’s advocacy.
     
    “Needling”—everyone has a certain ‘tone’ I guess and mine (which varies) is not always perfect. Hey, it can’t always be LOLs and suckjobs. (At least that’s what I learned down at Enterprise Rent-A-Car.) But “devil’s advocacy” is surprising, I can’t think of examples of me doing that. Twinkie, with whom I’ve argued extensively (he loved to spar, apparently) fairly assessed my commenting manner thus (in a 2023 comment to Jack D):

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/diversity-is-our-strength-2/#comment-6099284 (#181)


    Commenter Jenner Ickham Errican can be annoying sometimes with his trolling (though I increasingly find him funny), but all you and Mark G have done so far is to call him names. Much of the time, JIE will chase your arguments to their logical conclusions (or lack thereof). If for nothing else, actually addressing JIE’s substantive points and counter-arguments will sharpen your own and increase their quality.
     
    On second thought, on your “devil’s advocacy” charge: Maybe you mean I’ve repeatedly defended Sailer and Trump against those blowhards who suffer from SDS and TDS and can’t stop whinging about their personal devils: Trump and/or Sailer. I mean, imagine being an advocate for the devil Sailer on a blog forum named for Sailer? How uncouth. Ahhh, there I go again…

    When it becomes clear that you’re simply amusing yourself to annoy other commenters, that’s when I skip on down. I doubt I’m alone in that regard.
     
    Can’t fault you for that. “Are you not entertained?” doesn’t always have a positive response. Some detractors’ entire lives are like that: Debbie Downers until they die of sudden chronic halitosis or whatever. Put another way, a wise man (not me, a different wise man) once said in his defense: “You see, you can't please everyone, so you've got to please yourself” as he was arrested for indecent exposure and lewd conduct at the Piggly Wiggly.

    Mr Anon was one of the few here who was willing challenge Sailer directly on his daft kovid stance, and he took the two loathsome hacks known as Ha and That Would Be Telling to task. For that, he should have any reasonable person’s gratitude.
     
    Gratitude? Sure. What about automatic deference on anything he says? That would be weird. No one should here should be granted that. I sometimes agree with Mr. Anon, sometimes not. And presumably vice-versa.

    The commenters that disagree with me above all think the planes that flew into the WTC were holograms or something.
     
    Are you trying to (re)start another useless 9/11 debate? Please no.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Mr. Anon, @Currdog73, @Mike Tre

  • @A123
    @Hail


    Whatever the number of deportations has been since January 20, 2025, it’s not what people expected. (It’s hard to think at scale in a 340m mega-state.) The correct attitude on the deportations would have to be something like: This is completely insufficient, even if maybe a good small start. We need to doing a lot more. If what we have so far is the full “ball game,” we have failed. Trump is not capable of that
     
    Huh? That is exactly how Trump thinks. And, it is what MAGA is delivering.

    So far this year Remigration stands at:

    • 2,000,000+ voluntary departures
    • 500,000+ involuntary deportations
    • 500,000+ detained pending deportation

    2025 will be the first year in some time where the number of illegals has gone down. (1)

    Note:
    I am not sure the chart will embed correctly. CIS may block hot links.

     
    https://cis.org/sites/default/files/2025-08/8-8-figure1d.png
     

    Trump believe this is only a good start. Trump's team will deliver more in the next three years. They have been fighting rogue judges for months. New illegal border crossings are at a record low.

    The BBB passed in July substantially increased resources for migration enforcement. New hires have to go through selection and training, so they are hitting the front lines now. Numbers will be much higher next year.

    Don't Snatch Defeat from the Jaws of Victory by opposing MAGA. Celebrate the small wins this year and look forward to larger ones in the future.

    PEACE 😇
    ___________

    (1) https://cis.org/Report/Overall-ForeignBorn-Population-Down-22-Million-January-July

    Replies: @Hail

    The closure of the Mexico border to substantial numbers of border-jumpers is a good thing the Trump-II people have (apparently) done.

    Unfortunately I see nothing special about the rest. They are wasting time, and burning far too much political capital on stupid things. Trump Distraction Syndrome?

    The whole Trump-MAGA phenomenon thrives on constant hype-cycles.

    Are deportations substantially above the rate in previous eras? Are out-flows of people (what you call “voluntary departures”) much higher in 2025 than in previous comparable years? What about legal in-flows of people?

    Except for the in-flow of illegal border-jumpers, none of these numbers are a big difference with business-as-usual. And an equivalent number of border-jumpers could be admitted legally under one of the proposed Trump Guest-Worker Programs. The absolute moral commitment must be to lowering their numbers, but Trump always instead wants to make a deal (as he likes putting it).

    The big difference seems to be more the tone and the imagery on TV and the constant hype-drumbeat on social-media and elsewhere. Not that these things are without meaning, but they aren’t the same as real results.

    • Replies: @Curle
    @Hail

    The anti-DEI stuff is great. As are the actions of the Justice Dept. Guys like Comey deserve jail.

    , @A123
    @Hail


    They are wasting time, and burning far too much political capital on stupid things.
     
    Trump's administration needs the Senate to confirm appointees. Of the 53 GOP Senators, how many are establishment non-MAGA types? Mitch McConnell, Thom Tillis, and John Cornyn are obvious problem cases. This unfortunate dynamic gives figures like Lindsey Graham and John Thune substantial leverage.

    Managing this situation does burn political capital, but it is both smart and necessary.


    The closure of the Mexico border to substantial numbers of border-jumpers is a good thing the Trump-II people have (apparently) done. Unfortunately I see nothing special about the rest
     
    Again, Trump's team did not receive additional funding until the BBB passed in July. When measured against reasonable expectations, the results have been solid. Nothing is ever 100% perfect.

    Are deportations substantially above the rate in previous eras? Are out-flows of people (what you call “voluntary departures”) much higher in 2025 than in previous comparable years?
     
    Yes. Unfortunately, the chart did not embed. Let me excerpt some text: (1)

    Analysis of the raw data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics’ (BLS) household survey, officially called the Current Population Survey (CPS), shows an unprecedented 2.2 million decline in the total foreign-born or immigrant population (legal and illegal) between January and July of this year. We preliminarily estimate that the number of illegal immigrants has fallen by 1.6 million in just the last six months. This is likely due to increased out-migration in response to stepped-up enforcement. However, analysis based on the CPS comes with caveats.

    Findings:

    • Analysis of the CPS data shows the total foreign-born population of all ages, both in and out of the labor force, declined an unprecedented 2.2 million from January to July – the largest six-month decline ever within the same year.

    • Non-citizens accounted for all of the falloff in the total foreign-born; the naturalized U.S. citizen population has actually increased some since January.

    • We preliminarily estimate that the illegal immigrant population declined an astonishing 1.6 million (10 percent) to 14.2 million from January to July of this year.
    ___

    Making the same adjustment for undercount in the data as we did in our earlier analysis, based on the January 2025 CPS, puts the total illegal immigrant population at 14.2 million in July of this year. If correct, this would represent an extraordinary decline of 1.6 million or 10 percent of the illegal immigrant population in just the last 6 months (see Figure 5).

     

    These are unprecedented wins largely from before BBB passage. There is every reason to expect increased resources will deliver even better results going forward.

    What about legal in-flows of people?
     
    Judicial proceedings must be won to end those legally in the country under Temporary Protected Status [TPS], DACA, etc. The necessary cases are proceeding through the system.

    On the immigration front, Trump has been winning at SCOTUS. There is a high probability that he can end mythical "birthright citizenship" where parents are illegals and/or temporary visa holders. That will reshape the dynamic for decades.
    ___

    Compare what has been gained this year versus the other alternative... Kamala Harris. Everyone should immediately grasp that MAGA and Trump are obviously the better choice.

    Much of this year has been spent laying the groundwork for bigger wins in the future. Premature capitulation would be a tragic mistake.

    PEACE 😇
    ___________

    (1) https://cis.org/Report/Overall-ForeignBorn-Population-Down-22-Million-January-July

    , @Almost Missouri
    @Hail

    It sure looks like immigrants are getting out.


    Homeland Security @DHSgov
    23h

    President Trump and Secretary Noem have jumpstarted an agency that was hamstrung and barred from doing its job for the last four years.

    For the first time in over five decades, The United States is on track to see NEGATIVE NET MIGRATION.

    The foreign-born population has declined by 2.2 million this year, which includes the 1.6 million illegal aliens who have voluntarily self-deported and 555,000 deportations.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G5l4NHyXMAA5ipY.jpg

     

    https://twitter.com/DHSgov/status/1988759137044382119

    https://cis.org/Report/Why-Decline-ForeignBorn-Monthly-Household-Survey-2025-Very-Likely-Real


    Mark Krikorian @MarkSKrikorian
    4h

    The Immigration Court Backlog (Finally) Falls

    For the first time in 17 years, more asylum cases are closing than opening—though more can and should be done to narrow the gap. https://open.substack.com/pub/commonplace/p/andrew-arthur-the-immigration-court
     
    https://twitter.com/MarkSKrikorian/status/1989043189932568901

    https://www.borderreport.com/news/trade/remittances-to-mexico-fall-for-sixth-consecutive-month/
    , @Corvinus
    @Hail

    “Unfortunately I see nothing special about the rest. They are wasting time, and burning far too much political capital on stupid things. Trump Distraction Syndrome?”

    Right. It’s a huge grift that Trump is running. He plays the part well in wanting to deport the s—stains. But if they all could make him a fortune somehow, he would run and cut bait with this ICE dalliance.

  • @epebble
    @OilcanFloyd

    But it is by no means universal. For example, see this listing:


    House for sale $139,900
    4 bed 1.5 bath 3,166sqft
    6.8acre lot
    11139 S Lake Rd, Pavilion, NY 14525

    https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/11139-Lake-St_Pavilion_NY_14525_M47301-63708

    Pavilion, NY is 97% white

    Replies: @Hail, @OilcanFloyd

    Pavilion, NY is 97% white

    There was a Washington Post article a few days ago about how the best-affordable non-rural place for White Americans to buy homes. It is: Greater Pittsburgh.

    —> Alert: Sailer’s AFF (or WAFF): (White) Affordable Family Formation.

    Pittsburgh has long been the Whitest major metropolitan area. It had number-one ranking in the list I made pegged to the 2010 census (of 51 one-million-plus-resident metro areas): https://hailtoyou.wordpress.com/2012/02/12/the-usas-large-metro-areas-by-level-of-whiteness

    Here is the Washington Post story on Pittsburgh’s / western Pennsylvania’s White housing affordability:

    https://archive.is/emBOa

    How this major city became one of America’s most affordable for homebuyers

    While there are many yardsticks for calculating housing affordability, the western Pennsylvania city stands out as uniquely livable.

    Washington Post
    November 10, 2025

    [MORE]

    By Julie Zauzmer Weil

    PITTSBURGH — As real estate prices and interest rates shot up in recent years, the prospect of homeownership moved further for many Americans, especially young adults in large metro areas where the median home price can run well over half-a-million dollars.

    But not in Pittsburgh, where Isaac Ray, 26, and Liam Weaver, 30, bought their first home for $163,000. After dropping $10,000 to rehab the bathroom and decrepit kitchen cabinets, they settled into their three-bedroom, one-bath ranch in the West End before their October wedding.

    “A lot of people think about buying a house, and it just seems it’s something you probably can’t do,” Weaver said of the cost. But it’s well within reach here on what he earns managing a grocery store deli counter and Ray as a professional ballet dancer. And it’s a far cry from markets like Seattle, where Weaver said his stepbrother had been looking at properties much like his own, except at five times the asking price.

    Though the housing market has tempered since the frenetic days of 2020, prices remain relentlessly high; the U.S. median topped $410,800 in the second quarter, a more than 50 percent climb in five years, according to Federal Reserve data. For people on the coasts, median valuations are more imposing in such markets as Seattle ($762,000), Boston ($812,000) and Los Angeles ($995,000).

    It’s $229,000 in the greater Pittsburgh area.

    […]

    https://archive.is/emBOa

    • Thanks: Almost Missouri
    • Replies: @epebble
    @Hail

    But somehow, Pittsburgh is losing people, always! I visited the place more than 25 years back. It was beautiful but with a definite 1950s feel to it (plus glass towers in center city), with remnants of rusty furnaces and smokestacks still around.


    1950 676,806 0.8%
    1960 604,332 −10.7%
    1970 520,117 −13.9%
    1980 423,938 −18.5%
    1990 369,879 −12.8%
    2000 334,563 −9.5%
    2010 305,704 −8.6%
    2020 302,971 −0.9%
    2024 (est.) 307,668 1.6%

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Hail

    , @Hypnotoad666
    @Hail

    Someone made the observation that Pittsburgh is a place with no regional identity. It's not Appalachia, not Mid-Atlantic, and not the Midwest, it's just . . . Pittsburgh.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

  • Steve Sailer says the Jewish-woman chemist Rosalind Franklin (1920-1958) would’ve held what by today’s standards could be problematic views.

    Would Rosalind Franklin Have Been Cancelled As a Eugenicist?

    How do we know that the woman whose data helped Crick and Watson didn’t share their deplorable views?

    by Steve Sailer | Nov 10, 2025

    Chemist Rosalind Franklin, who worked with Maurice Wilkins and Raymond Gosling to produce x-ray images that helped Francis Crick and James D. Watson figure out the structure of DNA in 1953, has been famous for not being famous for much of the last half century.

    https://www.stevesailer.net/p/would-rosalind-franklin-have-been

    Rosalind Franklin has been a celebrated (Jewish?-)feminist icon because she didn’t live long enough, says Sailer. The white-male James Watson, did live long enough.

    Steve’s theory here fails overlooks the male, Western, and Christian-origin parts of the saga of the villification of James Watson (and many others; and really all white-males). There are several “outs” or someone like Rosalind Franklin.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Hail

    I've lost the link but there used to be an essay online by a very honest feminist student who set out to vindicate Franklin and instead concluded that she was looking right at it and didn't see it, and so deserved less credit than the men who did see it.

  • @res
    Follow up to the inflation chart discussion in the previous thread.

    That chart is known as Mark J. Perry's Chart of the Century. Here is the most recent version from December 2024 with some discussion.

    https://humanprogress.org/time-pricing-and-mark-perrys-chart-of-the-century/

    https://humanprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/ccfde0df-5aea-408b-aa09-66d86937e563_1576x1291.png

    The notable omission I see in the discussion there and elsewhere (am I missing it somewhere?) is the "better product corrector" adjustment. Best seen for TVs with new cars an even more important example. I would like to focus on that here.

    Replies: @res, @Hail, @res, @Achmed E. Newman, @Almost Missouri, @Almost Missouri, @Almost Missouri

    What does it mean that TVs had become “90% cheaper” by some point in the early 2010s? (And further crept down towards “98% cheaper” by the early 2020s?)

    To compare TVs in the year 2000 vs. in the year 2020 is not to compare the same thing. To force it, as if the graph were comparing apples vs. grapes vs. bananas (which can be counted on to be the same over time-spans) is misleading.

    The same applies to anything related to computers and phones. These comparisons stop making sense, after a point. Late-1990s cell phones vs. mid-2020 cell phones are separated in time by a mere quarter century or so, but by a pretty big qualitative gap and a cultural gap.

    (Most people in the late 1990s didn’t see the need for cell phones, and you can easily find TV shows from the period in which drug dealers and other suspicious characters are shown to be “cell phone people.” Ordinary people aren’t shown using them. There was seen to be something inherently questionable about it. Needless to say that disappeared by some point in the early 2010s. So there is a cultural-technological shift that breaks the continuity of the graph.)

    For TVs, I’d guess it’s comparing a certain size TV which was excessively expensive in 2000 but over time the same size got lower in prize. In practice, are people paying “98% less” on the decadal TV budget? No. They may be paying about the same. They’re just getting much larger/flatter screens. Whether this is definitely a good thing or not is not obvious.

    • Replies: @res
    @Hail


    What does it mean that TVs had become “90% cheaper” by some point in the early 2010s? (And further crept down towards “98% cheaper” by the early 2020s?)
     
    The short answer is the BLS applies a "hedonic adjustment" to TV prices to account for the factors you mention. I'm working on a longer form response to this whole issue. My hope is we can deconstruct that graph more. In particular with a quantitative analysis. I'm focusing on new cars (after looking at housing a bit) because that seems both important and relatively easy to understand and discuss.
  • @Achmed E. Newman
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Partial [Agree] here. Indeed, I am also very glad that Mr. Unz has allowed us to keep in touch and have great discussion here on these "iSteve" threads, especially due to that he's got a, no THE, top-notch* commenting system we all enjoy. Of course, I know why he keeps it here - look at the comment count for #14, nearing 2,000!

    However, look around the rest of the site at this point. Besides the 3 race realists Paul Kersey, Jared Taylor, and (now) Greg DeAnna - thank you for your courage to do this, Mr. Unz - Ron Paul's column, and Paul Craig Roberts**, what've ya got showing?

    You got China propagandist Hua Bin, anti-American everything Caitlin something, Palestinian this and Palestinian that - most American don't really give THAT much of a hoot about that as compared to what's important for America. This goes on every day. The Fall of the House of MAGA Bullshit. MAGA has some internal struggles it needs to work out (Israeli and Jewish influen e is surely one), but it ain't falling, that's for sure.

    EVERYTHING here is completely anti-American and anti-Americans. I appreciate Mr. Unz's deep dives into history - though he's not ALWAYS right. Criticism of US Gov't policy is usually well deserved. The rest are pure anti-everything-american. I most especially resent the anti-Trump attitude. Call him a boor, braggart, Caudillo, whatever, but if you don't like what American policy WAS, then you should appreciate what President Trump-47 and MAGA have been changing.

    No President in that last century, since Calvin Coolidge, maybe, has been this pro Americans, especially pro real American White people, NOBODY. Yet, there are TDS articles posted every week. You want change? Hey, it won't necessarily come in the package you wanted, but you got it.

    The commenters under most of the other articles are anti-all-things-American foreigners too, BTW. Most have no clue what's what in America, unlike the long-term Americans with wit and common-sense that write under iSteve.

    I can completely see why Steve Sailer would want to distance himself from this site at this point - even more so than a year ago when he left. Looking at just the headlines, I would too were I a (real?) writer.

    That all ranted, let me still be glad that I CAN comment under those anti-American assholes' posts myself and - forget trying to explain, they're beyond that - at least put in a word or two for the record.

    .

    * Best in class and deserving an award for excellence, in that old corporate-speak that you know and love (?), Buzz.

    ** Whose columns I won't read because Mr. Roberts won't allow commentingj. This is a story I know about.

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    The right criticism of Trump is to the effect that he is a buffoon (the jester of his own court) who wastes time, wastes power, creates pointless dramas, is unfocused, creates enemies, and troublingly loves claiming victory a lot more than actual having victory in itself. A lot of what Trump “is,” amounts to a giant distraction machine.

    Whatever the number of deportations has been since January 20, 2025, it’s not what people expected. (It’s hard to think at scale in a 340m mega-state.) The correct attitude on the deportations would have to be something like: This is completely insufficient, even if maybe a good small start. We need to doing a lot more. If what we have so far is the full “ball game,” we have failed. Trump is not capable of that, so he is variously an unfocused buffoon and a person manipulated by others all too often.

    Trump doesn’t care enough to have the level of sustained, morally-committed view of an issue as the one I sketched out in italics just above. And/or he doesn’t understand things both big and small.

    Trump is a showman above all else. He wants a show, and he endeavors to give people a show. It’s possible he’d prefer doing full-time MAGA rallies and never have to bother with governing. (He famously doesn’t read the reports people prepare for him.) Like a lot of charismatic politicians, especially older ones, he seems to be quite a bit of a BS’er who, in a less-stable environment, could drive a country to ruin.

    As I say, what Trump really, really wants is “a big show” and to declare victory. The bombing of the Iran nuclear site is a good example of th Trump Philosophy of Doing Anything: Big noises, explosions; claiming something is historic and the best-ever; claiming he solved a problem through his unique genius (such as ending seven wars; just nobody ask pesky questions), while never really interested in follow-through or asking any questions. Some say the site was empty and some among those say that Trump and co. knew it and the entire strike was another Trump-style “performance.”

    Cool footage of a few deportations is similar to the illegal-but-cool-looking murders of people in alleged drug-boats, video of which this man can broadcast and pat himself on the back for being a Tough Guy. If he can even remotely-plausibly declare victory through some sort of appearance of something in that direction, it doesn’t matter which way the needle moves on the White share-of-population or the prospects for Whites to be in control of their own destiny in their own country again. That’s not his interest.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Hail


    Whatever the number of deportations has been since January 20, 2025, it’s not what people expected. (It’s hard to think at scale in a 340m mega-state.) The correct attitude on the deportations would have to be something like: This is completely insufficient, even if maybe a good small start. We need to doing a lot more. If what we have so far is the full “ball game,” we have failed. Trump is not capable of that
     
    Huh? That is exactly how Trump thinks. And, it is what MAGA is delivering.

    So far this year Remigration stands at:

    • 2,000,000+ voluntary departures
    • 500,000+ involuntary deportations
    • 500,000+ detained pending deportation

    2025 will be the first year in some time where the number of illegals has gone down. (1)

    Note:
    I am not sure the chart will embed correctly. CIS may block hot links.

     
    https://cis.org/sites/default/files/2025-08/8-8-figure1d.png
     

    Trump believe this is only a good start. Trump's team will deliver more in the next three years. They have been fighting rogue judges for months. New illegal border crossings are at a record low.

    The BBB passed in July substantially increased resources for migration enforcement. New hires have to go through selection and training, so they are hitting the front lines now. Numbers will be much higher next year.

    Don't Snatch Defeat from the Jaws of Victory by opposing MAGA. Celebrate the small wins this year and look forward to larger ones in the future.

    PEACE 😇
    ___________

    (1) https://cis.org/Report/Overall-ForeignBorn-Population-Down-22-Million-January-July

    Replies: @Hail

    , @deep anonymous
    @Hail

    Well said. Better than the alternative but still woefully insufficient.

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  • @slumber_j
    I have some very unfortunate news to relay to you all: the person whose handle is The Germ Theory of Disease has been transferred to hospice care having suffered at least two strokes last week and is not expected to survive more than a few days. Having known him for a couple of decades and enjoyed his company immensely despite his various craziness, I very much hope that last part isn't true.

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    I’ve tried to reached out to Steve Sailer to tell him of the news about Germ Theory.

    The Germ Theory of Disease was one of Sailer’s best quality commenters (read that as “best-quality” or “best, quality” as you wish). It looks like over 8,000 comments between November 2018 and October 2025, a large number of which are practically suitable to have been blog-posts in their own right.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Hail

    Well, now, as I guess a lot of regulars will, I'll go back and see what I wrote to Mr. Germ Theory recently. I hope it was nice. I will pray for him too.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Buzz Mohawk

  • @slumber_j
    I have some very unfortunate news to relay to you all: the person whose handle is The Germ Theory of Disease has been transferred to hospice care having suffered at least two strokes last week and is not expected to survive more than a few days. Having known him for a couple of decades and enjoyed his company immensely despite his various craziness, I very much hope that last part isn't true.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @OilcanFloyd, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Buzz Mohawk, @Mr. Anon, @epebble, @deep anonymous, @Corpse Tooth, @Hail, @Charlotte, @vinteuil

    Terrible news that he is so gravely ill. I will pray for him.

    • Thanks: Hail
  • @slumber_j
    I have some very unfortunate news to relay to you all: the person whose handle is The Germ Theory of Disease has been transferred to hospice care having suffered at least two strokes last week and is not expected to survive more than a few days. Having known him for a couple of decades and enjoyed his company immensely despite his various craziness, I very much hope that last part isn't true.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @OilcanFloyd, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Buzz Mohawk, @Mr. Anon, @epebble, @deep anonymous, @Corpse Tooth, @Hail, @Charlotte, @vinteuil

    Germ was a gifted storyteller. I’ll miss his contributions.

    • Agree: Hail, Adam Smith
    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Corpse Tooth


    Germ was a gifted storyteller.
     
    True.

    Now that you mention it, much of his storytelling had a certain redolence of "taking inventory", as one does toward the end of life, almost as if he knew this moment was coming.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    , @Curle
    @Corpse Tooth

    Who is going to track down the Texan Asian stripper (who liked him for his appreciation of literature) and break the bad news?

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @Almost Missouri

  • I have some very unfortunate news to relay to you all: the person whose handle is The Germ Theory of Disease has been transferred to hospice care having suffered at least two strokes last week and is not expected to survive more than a few days. Having known him for a couple of decades and enjoyed his company immensely despite his various craziness, I very much hope that last part isn’t true.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @slumber_j

    Well, fuck.

    , @OilcanFloyd
    @slumber_j

    That's terrible news! I wish him well.

    , @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @slumber_j

    Appreciate the update slumber_j, if you personally know him it’s got to be especially tough to take.

    Germ Theory—you’re a good one, you lived life to the limit (was there another choice? nah), and you always brought bonhomie despite some ‘barstool’ ribbing: There will always be a seat saved for you here.

    , @Buzz Mohawk
    @slumber_j

    Please give him our regards if you can. Let him know we are thinking of him. Thank you.

    I wish we could play all his favorite music for him and tell him funny stories...

    , @Mr. Anon
    @slumber_j

    I am sorry to hear that. He was always cheerful and good natured, unlike a lot of people here (like me).

    , @epebble
    @slumber_j

    As was mentioned, he had mentioned losing his brother just three months back. Such are the vagaries of fate.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ty7J0IjF9NI

    P.S. If there is any cultural reference to his handle, I am curious to know. I am not plugged into popular culture as he is, reading his last comment was about Sydney Sweeney, whose existence I was unaware of.

    Replies: @MEH 0910, @MEH 0910

    , @deep anonymous
    @slumber_j

    Terrible news that he is so gravely ill. I will pray for him.

    , @Corpse Tooth
    @slumber_j

    Germ was a gifted storyteller. I'll miss his contributions.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Curle

    , @Hail
    @slumber_j

    I've tried to reached out to Steve Sailer to tell him of the news about Germ Theory.

    The Germ Theory of Disease was one of Sailer's best quality commenters (read that as "best-quality" or "best, quality" as you wish). It looks like over 8,000 comments between November 2018 and October 2025, a large number of which are practically suitable to have been blog-posts in their own right.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    , @Charlotte
    @slumber_j

    I’m sorry to hear that. Always enjoyed his commentary.

    , @vinteuil
    @slumber_j


    ...the person whose handle is The Germ Theory of Disease has been transferred to hospice care having suffered at least two strokes last week and is not expected to survive more than a few days.
     
    I.e., "the person whose handle was The Germ Theory of Disease" has tired of the Unz Review & moved on to greener pastures.

    He's a talented writer - I'll grant him that.

    Replies: @vinteuil, @Corvinus

  • @James B. Shearer
    @Hail

    "For unknown reasons, Steve Sailer has yet to make a general commentary on Mamdani."

    I do not find this surprising. Sailer has said he likes to comment on things where he feels he has some special insight and that he dislikes making factual errors. Living in Southern California he may feel he is not well positioned to offer accurate, insightful commentary on the intricacies of New York City politics.

    I thought the substack post by Mathew Yglesias on Mamdani's election was interesting albeit rather long.

    "But the interesting thing about the Great Forgetting of Bill de Blasio is not that he was some embarrassing Johnson-like failure the left wants to memory hole. It’s that the left grew disillusioned with him almost immediately, to the point that four years after he stepped down, people responded to the election of a new mayor on a strong anti-billionaire platform as if we didn’t see a campaign with these exact same themes win twelve years ago."

    "The hard question for the urban left isn’t whether they can win elections in the most left-wing parts of the country. And it’s not even really whether they can do a good job in office. It’s whether they can sustain enthusiasm for their own champion as Mamdani has to wrestle with the actual problems of governance in a world where the prospects for socialism in one city are genuinely unpromising."

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    people responded to the election of a new mayor on a strong anti-billionaire platform as if we didn’t see a campaign with these exact same themes win twelve years ago.

    New Yorkers may or may not have short memories, but when a plurality of your electorate wasn’t even here twelve years ago, their memories don’t matter.

    • Thanks: MEH 0910, kaganovitch
    • LOL: Hail
    • Replies: @OilcanFloyd
    @Almost Missouri


    New Yorkers may or may not have short memories, but when a plurality of your electorate wasn’t even here twelve years ago, their memories don’t matter.
     
    Along with their benefactors, a plurality of that electorate needs to be deported, no matter what legal status and rights were given to them.

    Replies: @deep anonymous

    , @Corvinus
    @Almost Missouri

    Citations, please.

    , @James B. Shearer
    @Almost Missouri

    "New Yorkers may or may not have short memories, but when a plurality of your electorate wasn’t even here twelve years ago, their memories don’t matter."

    Not sure exactly what you are claiming here but based on this NBC news exit poll perhaps 80% of the electorate lived in New York City 12 years ago and 20% didn't.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

  • @Hail
    @Hail


    The “thing” about Mamdani
     
    For unknown reasons, Steve Sailer has yet to make a general commentary on Mamdani.

    Replies: @Hail, @James B. Shearer, @Achmed E. Newman

    “For unknown reasons, Steve Sailer has yet to make a general commentary on Mamdani.”

    I do not find this surprising. Sailer has said he likes to comment on things where he feels he has some special insight and that he dislikes making factual errors. Living in Southern California he may feel he is not well positioned to offer accurate, insightful commentary on the intricacies of New York City politics.

    I thought the substack post by Mathew Yglesias on Mamdani’s election was interesting albeit rather long.

    “But the interesting thing about the Great Forgetting of Bill de Blasio is not that he was some embarrassing Johnson-like failure the left wants to memory hole. It’s that the left grew disillusioned with him almost immediately, to the point that four years after he stepped down, people responded to the election of a new mayor on a strong anti-billionaire platform as if we didn’t see a campaign with these exact same themes win twelve years ago.”

    “The hard question for the urban left isn’t whether they can win elections in the most left-wing parts of the country. And it’s not even really whether they can do a good job in office. It’s whether they can sustain enthusiasm for their own champion as Mamdani has to wrestle with the actual problems of governance in a world where the prospects for socialism in one city are genuinely unpromising.”

    • Thanks: Hail
    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @James B. Shearer


    people responded to the election of a new mayor on a strong anti-billionaire platform as if we didn’t see a campaign with these exact same themes win twelve years ago.
     
    New Yorkers may or may not have short memories, but when a plurality of your electorate wasn't even here twelve years ago, their memories don't matter.

    Replies: @OilcanFloyd, @Corvinus, @James B. Shearer

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  • Did anyone predict either of these things:

    (1.) Trump calls FDR “a GREAT president”;

    (2.) Trump instituting a 50-year mortgage policy ?

    Some are saying the Trump 50-year Mortgage Plan “is a giveaway to the banks disguised as populism.”

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Hail

    Dang, he forgot again to first go talk to someone who can think straight, before coming out with an episode of stupid BS. Well, it's not as bad as a case of senility like that other, you know, the guy...

    I don't know how you came to have those Bette Davis tits,
    but worst of all young man, you've got Political Tourettes.


    Come back and see me later. Next President, please.

    Now, I go down to Speaker's Corner, I'm thunderstruck.
    They got free speech tourists, police in trucks.
    Two men say they're Jesus, one of them must be wrong.
    There's a protest singer, he's singing a protest song.


    Ah, splendid!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_mF0DhDSlo

    Replies: @Corvinus, @Corpse Tooth

    , @deep anonymous
    @Hail

    IIRC they did something like this in Japan when home prices soared several decades ago. Their conditions obviously are not comparable to ours: on average Japanese are older, much more homogeneous in ethnic/racial composition, and buildable land is much scarcer than here (although perhaps more like California than the US as a whole).

    Not sure how the ongoing collapse in population there will affect home prices/ownership. Their government has been even more fiscally reckless than ours, their debt-to-GDP ratios are insane. Which of course is inflationary. I suppose those two big trends work at cross purposes.

    , @A123
    @Hail


    Did anyone predict either of these things:

    (1.) Trump calls FDR “a GREAT president”;

    (2.) Trump instituting a 50-year mortgage policy ?
     
    You may have noticed that Trump periodically tweets solely to drive the "mainstream" media into a frenzy.

    Creating a new type of Qualified Mortgage [QM] would require Congress to act. Is there any momentum in the House or Senate for this concept? I don't see any. FHFA can put the idea on the table for discussion, but it has a minimal chance of going anywhere.

    Trump already has a better card to play for housing affordability. Reducing population. Less demand = lower prices. The departure of 2,000,000+ illegals has already created rent drops in some locales. Bringing down the price of single family homes will take longer, but is doable.

    IMHO a good play would be investigating corporate purchasing of single family residences in a very public way. Make a spectacle out of it. If big banks can be correctly blamed for inflating housing prices, perhaps Congress can be driven to act against corporatization of homes.

    PEACE 😇
    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Hail

    I am too lazy to compute it but I am pretty sure the people who sign for 50 year mortgages have no concept of the amount of their huge payment is for interest and practically zilch pays down the principle. I wonder if Trump's personal balance sheet is a number larger than zero. P~.51 NO.

    Replies: @epebble

    , @Hypnotoad666
    @Hail


    Did anyone predict either of these things:

    (1.) Trump calls FDR “a GREAT president”;

    (2.) Trump instituting a 50-year mortgage policy ?
     
    The 50 year mortgage is classic Trump. It's just the used car salesman technique of trying to convince you that you are paying less for the car by reducing the amount of each monthly payment while increasing the number of payments you have to make.

    It's just a diversion from asking why houses cost so much and what, if anything, should be done about it
    , @Mr. Anon
    @Hail


    Did anyone predict either of these things:

    (1.) Trump calls FDR “a GREAT president”;
     
    You can almost predict that Trump would say anything, given enough time. You could program a random sentence generator to spew out text, tell me that Donald Trump had said it, and I wouldn't necessarily be able to tell one way or the other.

    "These nuns, these are very bad people."

    "We will be giving ducks to the American people. The finest ducks - ducks like you wouldn't believe. The American people deserve only the finest ducks. Thank you for your attention to this matter."

    Is this the way one expects a President to talk (or post, or whatever):



    "For those that did nothing but complain, and took time off, even though everyone knew they would be paid, IN FULL, shortly into the future, I am NOT HAPPY WITH YOU.

    You didn’t step up to help the U.S.A, against the FAKE DEMOCRAT ATTACK that was only meant to hurt our Country.

    You will have a negative mark, at least in my mind, against your record.

    If you want to leave service in the near future, please do not hesitate to do so, with NO payment or severance of any kind!

    You will be quickly replaced by true Patriots, who will do a better job on the Brand New State of the Art Equipment, the best in the World, that we are in the process of ordering."

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/faa-freezes-private-jet-travel-12-major-airports

     

    He sounds like a petulant child. I really think he's starting to go potty.

    The 50 year mortgage sounds like something you'd expect from the guy who gave us Trump University and the Trump bible. It's a scam - something to keep the mortgage-lending sector going. A 50 year mortgage? I think that's called "renting".

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  • @Old Prude
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Since Sam wants personal stories like you hear in the pub, I'll top your tale of drinking poison.

    I have collected wild mushrooms for eating for well over twenty years. I really know my stuff for an amateur. A few years ago the woods were mostly bare of fungi except for a bloom of red colored boletes. They were buggier than I normally would pick, but I figured I would give them a try. Mother Nature had nothing else on offer.

    I picked a large batch and confirmed the species. Wife cooked the bunch and I washed it down with a healthy portion of gin. A few hours later I was on the pot and barfing in a bucket. It went on. And on. And on. Wife got sick and barfed all over the floor.

    I called the poison hot line, thinking they would offer assistance. Speaking with the woman, while sitting on the pot and puking, she went through a standard questionairre asking details to identify the mushrooms. I told her "I know what I ate!" She replied "Apparently you don't!" Do not call the poison hot-line. They are not going to save your life.

    I made it downstairs to the bathroom by the front door. The EMTs arrived, and my wife told them what happened and added, "My husband is very clever." They looked at me, with my pants around my ankles, holding a bucket of vomit. Uh-huh. They said I could go to the hospital in the ambulance for $1,000, or my wife could drive me, and the EMT visit was gratis.

    Wife drove me to the emergency room, they gave me an anti-emetic - sweet relief - and hooked me up to an IV to rehydrate me. Every time I drank a glass of water, sitting on the toilet at home, it only made me vomit more , and by that time I was dangerously dehydrated, cold has hell and shivering uncontrollably.

    The medical tech couldn't get an oral temperature reading on me, so suggested a rectal thermometer. I don't f'in' think so!. "Don't you have one of those thingies you can point at my forehead and get a reading?" I think I ruined her fun.

    The doctor asked is I was eating the mushrooms for nutrition or recreation.

    In the end, I figured I broke at least four fundamental rules of mushroom foraging:

    - I picked red boletes. Even though I am 100 percent positive of my ID, I always tell beginners to avoid any red bolete.

    - They were buggy. I almost never eat a mushroom that the bugs have been at.

    - We at the whole batch. The rule is, for mushrooms you've never tried , only try a small portion.

    - Don't drink alcohol when trying new mushrooms. And one must think, especially not gin, what, with all the herbals in the brew.

    The incident pretty much killed our enthusiasm for wild mushrooms. Now we grow our own Shittakkes, which, in my opinion, are superior to most any wild mushroom, except maybe chantrelles and black trumpets.

    Replies: @Sam Hildebrand, @Corvinus, @Buzz Mohawk, @Intelligent Dasein, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Achmed E. Newman, @Pericles, @Old Prude, @Mike Tre

    Many decades ago, I would go mushroom picking with my dad and my two uncles (long since dead) in fall time at a state park 30 minutes from where I had lived. My uncles spoke fluent Polish. I just knew the four types of mushrooms we picked by the names they told me—buttons, grassers, stumpers, banana. I can still pick them out of a mushroom lineup based on their color and size.

    Anyways, I recall when I was 8 and we went to our usual spot. The four varieties were everywhere—the mother lode. As I was using my pocket knife to help out my dad and uncles pick them from several stumps, apparently there were other people in the area. Four guys came from nowhere, screaming we should leave as we were “taking their spot”. My uncles just carried on, ignoring their demand. Then the four guys started to swear in Polish. My uncles proceeded in kind. Both groups were just about to get into a knife fight, when my dad was able to calmly talk them out from shanking each other.

    I got a Graf/s grape soda and some Crackerjack on the way home. We got two big bushels of mushrooms that morning. My grandma took several pictures of us (those were her two older brothers) cleaning the mushrooms in her basement.

    • Thanks: Currdog73, Hail
    • Replies: @Currdog73
    @Corvinus

    Damn corvi you mean you're actually human and not a bot who knew. But thanks again for the story, we may be able to rehabilitate you after all LOL.

    , @Pericles
    @Corvinus

    Wtf happened to Corvinus?

    (My guess: new blood in the old chair.)

  • @Hail
    @MEH 0910

    Charles Murray, today, publishes this reminiscence-tribute to James Watson (1928-2025; terminated from polite society, in 2007, for Racism):


    One morning around four or five years ago, I got a phone call from James Watson. I was startled. I had met him only once, at a conference at Cold Spring Harbor in the mid-1990s and we hadn't been in touch since. I can remember few details, but I do remember that the call lasted for at least twenty minutes and that I soon realized that my job was to listen. James Watson needed a sympathetic ear.

    Perhaps he saw me as someone who had experienced on a far smaller scale something similar to what he had experienced. Perhaps he figured (correctly) that I would agree with what pained him the most: He hadn't done anything wrong. He had spoken candidly about his assessment of the evidence regarding the B/W difference in IQ. His conclusion that genetics were part of the story was shared by the majority of specialists in IQ. And yet his professional career and reputation had been devastated.

    He wanted to live long enough for his remarks to be vindicated. I do remember reminding him of some good news. Since the genome had been sequenced, it had been established that evolutionary change had taken place after the dispersal from Africa and that the change had been mostly local, not shared across continents. The genetic evidence from GWAS studies had already found ubiquitous population differences across all the races, including variants associated with cognition. Vindication would come. But I got no sense that I had done anything to ease his anguish.

    Now he is dead. In a half century, his reputation as one of history's great biologists will have been restored. People will know that he had the misfortune to reach old age in an era when the academy was lunatic. I hope he realized that before the end.
     

    _________

    James Watson was an "old stock" figure in more than one way. Apparently of 100% NW-European ancestry. Paternal-lines largely trace to colonial era. Dedicated to scientific inquiry, truth over 'face.'

    James Watson, and Charles Murray too, are the kind of White 'elite,' tinkerer-inventor, or generally prominent figure you'd have seen all over the map/spectrum, throughout the eras of North American history up through the mid-20th century.

    Look at the people who led the lynch-mob to 'Cancel' Watson in 2007 to find who the replacement elites are.

    Replies: @Pericles, @Hail, @Hail

    Sailer says he was “shock[ed]” by the Cancellation of James Watson in 2007, by which we can assume he indeed means he was genuinely surprised by it:

    Steve Sailer:

    The two shocking to me (at the time) harbingers of cancel culture were in 2005-07:

    Harvard President Larry Summers for repeating Pinknerian talking points about why there were more male than female Harvard math professors, and

    James D. Watson on W-B test score gaps.

  • @J.Ross
    @Hail

    HoD is zoomer nepo babies who didn't experience the Cold War trying to make Fail Safe (no, they don't know about that Kubrick movie), plus Trump bad.

    Replies: @Hail

    To be honest: the fact that director Kathryn Bigelow (b.1951) is a woman may be the key to understanding how House of Dynamite went wrong. What I mean is, the final product seems to show she is not truly interested in the attractions and ‘potential’ of this kind of scenario. There are tell-tale signs of this all throughout, from start to finish.

    (See also: Almost Missouri’s comments on the movie.)

    NAXALT Disclaimer: Some women may be so-interested. But, in the pool of all people so-interested, it’s male-dominated and only a question of how big the ratio is. The odds are quite against a woman director doing this kind of movie well, I think.

    A big-budget, interesting-concept, present-day, nuclear-war movie — ostensibly realistic (almost as if a documentary rather than some zany parallel world) ended muddled dud with nothing to say. As if the whole thing like a long-extended PSA commercial, because some or other people involved in the production really didn’t care about their subject!

  • @Achmed E. Newman
    @Mark G.

    I know of all these guys and their recent opinion, but thanks for this summary, Mark. Let me add to this:


    Many libertarians are aware that the wrong types of immigrants can create negative externalities for the natives of a country.
     
    They can be "wrong types" in another way, and, for the immigrants into America and the West over the last half-century, they ARE. That is, the peoples coming in have NO Libertarian tendencies whatsover.

    I've written this many times, and I think Ron Paul, as one example, does get this: Look, of the people that you are inviting in, I doubt one in a thousand will become a Reason magazine subcriber. Most of their offspring will not be joining the Boy Scouts and getting their Citizenship in the Nation merit badges. If you want this country to head in a Libertarian direction, and Libertarians were too few even 50 years ago, is it wise to invite in people that neither want anything to do with nor have even HEARD OF your Libertarian ideals?

    Let me answer that: No, it is NOT wise. It is stupid.

    Replies: @OilcanFloyd, @John Johnson

    If you want this country to head in a Libertarian direction, and Libertarians were too few even 50 years ago, is it wise to invite in people that neither want anything to do with nor have even HEARD OF your Libertarian ideals?

    Libertarians seemed to be gaining traction in the 90s and early 2000s with Harry Browne, Ron Paul, and Lew Rockwell types, but their immigration stances and the tendency to attract the tie-died crowds and Randians doomed them, in my opinion. The very early Tea Party demonstrations had potential, but a movement has to stand for more than money, taxes, and ideology. Nobody wanted/wants to represent actual Americans, which really means white Americans, so here we are. We live in a nation where the elites have no attachment to the core population, no accountability to anyone, and a largely inferior and hostile replacement population on the ground.

    Unless something is done to restore traditional demographics without exploding the population, the very best that can be hoped for is a steep decline in standards across the board. Who really believes that that is all we’ll face, since we are already there this early in the game?

    • Agree: Mark G., Currdog73, Hail
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @OilcanFloyd

    Agreed. 2 things:

    1) I told Ron Paul in person during his GOP campaign in early '12, "If you want to win [REDACTED], you gotta talk about illegal immigration." People need to listen to me, is the biggest takeaway here.

    2) I really wonder how many people don't know and how many know but don't care, that when the number of competent White men gets below a certain value, for ANY portion of the real economy, things will go to hell in a hurry. We're already experiencing it to some degree.

    Replies: @deep anonymous

  • @Curle
    @Mark G.


    The late Boomers spent their childhood in the turbulent sixties and adolescence in the stagflation seventies
     
    That’s me but it neither seemed all that turbulent for me personally nor was stagflation anything other than something in the news. The most disturbing thing for me was seeing the home memorials for dead sons/soldiers in a neighbor’s home, vets without legs (seen on the Mall), busing and the negro riots (windows broken in neighborhood). Busing aside, which continued into the ‘90s, this really doesn’t compare to the increase of divorce and single mother families in the 70’s onwards and the incredible growth of drug use in the ‘70s onwards more so than the ‘60s though the sixties got the hype. Porn was an obvious major change of the ‘70s but it isn’t often highlighted.

    Replies: @Mark G., @epebble

    That whole thirty year period from 1965 to 1995 seemed bad at the time but not so bad now looking back. The next thirty years involving the offshoring of our industrial base and the resulting factory job losses led to even more drug and alcohol use and men being unable to support a wife and children. You also started to see noticeable demographic changes from increasing immigration.

    The prosperity of the second half of the nineties was largely illusory. It came from government inflationary policies creating the dotcom bubble and all of the large Boomer generation being in the workforce. Eventually the bubble would burst and the Boomers would start retiring. The Republicans controlled Congress for 12 years from 1994 to 2006 and also had the presidency half that time but did little to reduce the increasing trade deficits or increasing levels of immigration and to prepare for the day when tax revenues started dropping and Social Security and Medicare costs started rising when the Boomers started to retire and leave the workforce.

    • Thanks: Hail
    • Replies: @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality
    @Mark G.

    If the worst case economic collapse happened, say something like a sovereign debt default, how long would it take a otherwise good quality nation to bounce back? Five years? Ten?

    It took us longer to fully recover from the Great Depression, but FDR was doing all kinds of dumb erratic stuff that made business planning impossible.

    It seems to me that if you still have good human stock, a total financial collapse can be overcome in five to 15 years in most cases. And it's not like we'd all be starving during that time, just really poor. Bottom line, we'd bounce right back with the right genetic stock.

    Replies: @Mark G., @epebble

  • @Hail
    @MEH 0910

    Charles Murray, today, publishes this reminiscence-tribute to James Watson (1928-2025; terminated from polite society, in 2007, for Racism):


    One morning around four or five years ago, I got a phone call from James Watson. I was startled. I had met him only once, at a conference at Cold Spring Harbor in the mid-1990s and we hadn't been in touch since. I can remember few details, but I do remember that the call lasted for at least twenty minutes and that I soon realized that my job was to listen. James Watson needed a sympathetic ear.

    Perhaps he saw me as someone who had experienced on a far smaller scale something similar to what he had experienced. Perhaps he figured (correctly) that I would agree with what pained him the most: He hadn't done anything wrong. He had spoken candidly about his assessment of the evidence regarding the B/W difference in IQ. His conclusion that genetics were part of the story was shared by the majority of specialists in IQ. And yet his professional career and reputation had been devastated.

    He wanted to live long enough for his remarks to be vindicated. I do remember reminding him of some good news. Since the genome had been sequenced, it had been established that evolutionary change had taken place after the dispersal from Africa and that the change had been mostly local, not shared across continents. The genetic evidence from GWAS studies had already found ubiquitous population differences across all the races, including variants associated with cognition. Vindication would come. But I got no sense that I had done anything to ease his anguish.

    Now he is dead. In a half century, his reputation as one of history's great biologists will have been restored. People will know that he had the misfortune to reach old age in an era when the academy was lunatic. I hope he realized that before the end.
     

    _________

    James Watson was an "old stock" figure in more than one way. Apparently of 100% NW-European ancestry. Paternal-lines largely trace to colonial era. Dedicated to scientific inquiry, truth over 'face.'

    James Watson, and Charles Murray too, are the kind of White 'elite,' tinkerer-inventor, or generally prominent figure you'd have seen all over the map/spectrum, throughout the eras of North American history up through the mid-20th century.

    Look at the people who led the lynch-mob to 'Cancel' Watson in 2007 to find who the replacement elites are.

    Replies: @Pericles, @Hail, @Hail

    Look at the people who led the lynch-mob to ‘Cancel’ Watson in 2007 to find who the replacement elites are

    Okay, I won’t keep all the good Sailer-comment readers out there in suspense any more. From 2007:

    Southern Poverty Law Center: HATEWATCH

    ACADEMIC RACISM: INTO THE MUCK

    December 9, 2007
    by Mark Potok

    When Nobel Prize winner James D. Watson suggested in October that Africans are innately less intelligent than others, he was met by an international firestorm of scientific criticism, ultimately resulting in his public apology and later resignation […]

    [E]xperts on intelligence challenged the scientific basis for Watson’s comment, and [Francis Collins,] the director of the Human Genome Research Institute, who took up his post after Watson left it, described Watson’s remark as “a racist statement.”

    Francis Collins joined in the denunciation of James Watson, but was merely following a mob of Mark Potoks.

    Francis Collins is remembered these days for his role as a leading promoter of the Covid Panic of 2020, denouncing and suppressing skeptics and opponents of the Panic, and warp-speeding the vaccines.

    Francis Collins’ deputy (number two) at the Human Genome Research Institute was Alan Guttmacher, who took over the Human Genome Research Institute a few months after James Watson’s unpersoning.

    But these guys, the Collinses and even the Guttmachers, were not the drivers of the Race Panic and cancellation of James Watson for his (scientifically-irrefutable) racial views. That was the Mark Potoks.

    Notice again the exact wording used by racial-political commissar Potok: he frames it as “an international firestorm of scientific criticism,” which makes it seem like Watson had become an a fanatic Flat-Earther. In other worse, total moral-delegitimation of rivals/targets. (That’s not the way the USA used to work.)

    To find the names of key, leading anti-Watson agitators, and power-players who signalled their approval of the guillotining of James Watson — the people who made the panic begin and spread, who let the ritual humiliation and unpersoning succeed — a long trip through the Sailer archives in late 2007 might be profitably done by someone.

  • @Hail
    @Hail

    The parameters of the Rufo & Lomez Show show have been set and announced (see 54:45 to 56:45):


    CHRIS RUFO : Some selection, some curation, some thought, some taste [is necessary or inevitable].

    We're going to have different guests on than another show, because we have different ideas, different preferences, different interests, different curiosity.

    But I think we do need to distinguish between 'dead ends' that are bad for the movement. 'Groyperism' I would put in that category. We should have platforms for wider debate.
     


    CHRIS RUFO: I've had debates with Curtis Yarvin, who I don't agree with at all on anything. But there is something that you learn from those debates, something that you gain. You strengthen your arguments. You see where your arguments might be weaker. You learn about someone else's arguments.

    And I think that we need to [set] boundaries that permit debate, but are also sophisticated, [to] sort out the 'real' from the 'hyperreal,' the dead ends from the productive possibilities.
     

    Replies: @Corvinus, @Hypnotoad666

    “the Rufo & Lomez Show”

    Listened to it. Empty calories.

    “But I think we do need to distinguish between ‘dead ends’ that are bad for the movement.”

    So, gate keeping.

  • @Hail
    @Buzz Mohawk


    I feel great because I am at least 1/8 Norwegian-Swedish
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2IhvTIX1NI

    DU GAMLA, DU FRIA

    Du gamla, Du fria, Du fjällhöga Nord!
    Du tysta, Du glädjerika sköna...

    Jag hälsar Dig, vänaste land uppå jord
    Din sol, Din himmel, Dina ängder gröna!
    Din sol, Din himmel, Dina ängder gröna!

    Du tronar på minnen från fornstora dar--
    då ärat Ditt namn flög över jorden...

    Jag vet att Du är och förblir vad du var;
    Ja, jag vill leva jag vill dö i Norden!
    Ja, jag vill leva jag vill dö i Norden!
     

    YOU ANCIENT, YOU FREE

    You ancient, you free, you mountainous North!
    You quiet, you joyous beauty...

    I greet [or "hail"] you, loveliest land upon Earth,
    Your sun, your sky, your countryside green! (x2)

    You are enthroned upon memories of ancient days,
    When, honored, your name flew across the Earth...

    I know that you are, and you will be, what you were,
    Yes, I want to live, I want to die in the North! (x2)

     

    Replies: @Hail

    DU GAMLA, DU FRIA

    YOU ANCIENT, YOU FREE

    My apologies to all fans of correctness:

    I posted the “Du Gamla, Du Fria” lyrics limited to the widely-known, ‘classic,’ two-verse, version which is pan-Scandinavian (or easily adaptable considerably beyond Scandinavia

    The music, though, is from the widened four-verse version.

    I’ll post here the four-verse version in Swedish and English, side-by-side.

    For those with total unfamiliarity with the languages of Scandinavia, you can confirm their close relation to English/German easily, by a simple exercise in comparing these (simple) lyrics line by line. It’s quite possible, much of the time, to do full–on “word substitution,” and with merely slightly altered words at that.

    You’re going to have to do some work, though, by clicking “More”:

    [MORE]

    _________

    DU GAMLA, DU FRIA
    YOU ANCIENT, YOU FREE

    [Verse 1]

    Du gamla, du fria,
    Du fjällhöga Nord!
    Du tysta,
    Du glädjerika sköna…

    You ancient, you free,
    You mountainous North!
    You quiet,
    You joyous beauty…

    .

    Jag hälsar Dig,
    vänaste land uppå jord,
    Din sol, Din himmel,
    Dina ängder gröna!

    I greet [or “hail”] you,
    loveliest land upon the Earth,
    Your sun, your sky,
    your countryside green!

    ________

    [Verse 2]

    Du tronar på minnen
    från fornstora dar,
    då ärat ditt namn
    flög över jorden…

    You are enthroned upon memories
    of ancient days,
    When, honored, your name
    flew across the Earth…

    .

    Jag vet att du är
    och du blir vad du var.
    Ja, jag vill leva
    jag vill dö i Norden!

    I know that you are,
    and that you shall remain,
    what you were.
    Yes, I want to live,
    I want to die, in the North!

    ________

    [Verse 3] (added in new version)

    Jag städs vill dig tjäna,
    mitt älskade land,
    Dig trohet till
    döden vill jag svära.

    I forever want to serve you,
    My beloved land,
    fidelity until death
    I want to swear to you.

    .

    Din rätt skall jag värna,
    med håg och med hand,
    Din fana, högt!
    den bragderika bära.

    Your rights I shall defend
    with mind and with hand,
    Your banner, high,
    the glorious [banner], (we shall keep) aloft.

    .

    ________

    [Verse 4] (added in new version)

    Med Gud skall jag kämpa,
    för hem och för härd,
    för Sverige,
    den kära fosterjorden.

    With God I shall fight
    for home and for hearth,
    for Sweden,
    the beloved mother soil.

    .

    Jag byter dig ej
    emot allt i en värld:
    Nej, jag vill leva
    jag vill dö i Norden!

    Trade you away, I won’t
    for anything in this world:
    No, I want to live,
    I want to die, in the North!

    ________
    ________

    Sweden’s greatest king was killed in Germany this week in the year 1632. Consider this Sailer-comment-box effort a tribute to him.

    In that king’s three years’ intervention in Germany, during the calamity known to us as the “Thirty Years War,” he saved the Protestant Cause (German-Protestants will tell you). By so doing, he (people say) guaranteed that there’d be no overstuffed, overbearing, Catholic-ruled, Hapsburg-dominated monster-state in central Europe.

    Sweden’s slain king maybe earned an implicit place in the song, the lyrics of which I’ve just given — at the least, the part about being “free.”

    • Replies: @OilcanFloyd
    @Hail

    According to the Anglish to English translator, the last three paragraphs of your post are 81% derived from words that are of Germanic origin.

    https://bark-fa.github.io/Anglish-Translator/

    I imagine that the cure for poor reading skills in this country might be to revert to Anglish.

    , @Pericles
    @Hail

    Gustaf II Adolf, also known as Gustavus Adolphus in some places. Gustav I, better known as Gustav Vasa, founded Sweden a hundred years before. No pressure, G2. Well, he turned out alright, didn't he?

    I'd guess most Swedes know verse 1 and maybe 2.

    Linguistically, I was told in school (all too long ago) that Swedish vocabulary has basically three layers: German, from the Middle Ages, French, from the Bernadottes (I'm being sloppy here), and English, from WW2 and on. Few words have survived from the Viking era.

  • @Hail
    @MEH 0910

    Charles Murray, today, publishes this reminiscence-tribute to James Watson (1928-2025; terminated from polite society, in 2007, for Racism):


    One morning around four or five years ago, I got a phone call from James Watson. I was startled. I had met him only once, at a conference at Cold Spring Harbor in the mid-1990s and we hadn't been in touch since. I can remember few details, but I do remember that the call lasted for at least twenty minutes and that I soon realized that my job was to listen. James Watson needed a sympathetic ear.

    Perhaps he saw me as someone who had experienced on a far smaller scale something similar to what he had experienced. Perhaps he figured (correctly) that I would agree with what pained him the most: He hadn't done anything wrong. He had spoken candidly about his assessment of the evidence regarding the B/W difference in IQ. His conclusion that genetics were part of the story was shared by the majority of specialists in IQ. And yet his professional career and reputation had been devastated.

    He wanted to live long enough for his remarks to be vindicated. I do remember reminding him of some good news. Since the genome had been sequenced, it had been established that evolutionary change had taken place after the dispersal from Africa and that the change had been mostly local, not shared across continents. The genetic evidence from GWAS studies had already found ubiquitous population differences across all the races, including variants associated with cognition. Vindication would come. But I got no sense that I had done anything to ease his anguish.

    Now he is dead. In a half century, his reputation as one of history's great biologists will have been restored. People will know that he had the misfortune to reach old age in an era when the academy was lunatic. I hope he realized that before the end.
     

    _________

    James Watson was an "old stock" figure in more than one way. Apparently of 100% NW-European ancestry. Paternal-lines largely trace to colonial era. Dedicated to scientific inquiry, truth over 'face.'

    James Watson, and Charles Murray too, are the kind of White 'elite,' tinkerer-inventor, or generally prominent figure you'd have seen all over the map/spectrum, throughout the eras of North American history up through the mid-20th century.

    Look at the people who led the lynch-mob to 'Cancel' Watson in 2007 to find who the replacement elites are.

    Replies: @Pericles, @Hail, @Hail

    I thought it was an exceedingly fine gesture by Alisher Usmanov to buy and give Watson back his Nobel medal after he felt forced to sell it. Western billionaires can fuck right off.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30406322

    • Thanks: Hail
  • @MEH 0910
    @YetAnotherAnon


    DNA discoverer James Watson has died aged 97. Good genes. I’m sure Steve will post something.
     
    https://www.stevesailer.net/p/james-d-watson-rip

    James D. Watson, RIP
    The co-discoverer of the structure of DNA, who was cancelled for mentioning the existence of the racial IQ gap, has died at 97.
    Steve Sailer
    Nov 07, 2025 ∙ Paid
     

    Replies: @Hail, @MEH 0910

    Charles Murray, today, publishes this reminiscence-tribute to James Watson (1928-2025; terminated from polite society, in 2007, for Racism):

    One morning around four or five years ago, I got a phone call from James Watson. I was startled. I had met him only once, at a conference at Cold Spring Harbor in the mid-1990s and we hadn’t been in touch since. I can remember few details, but I do remember that the call lasted for at least twenty minutes and that I soon realized that my job was to listen. James Watson needed a sympathetic ear.

    Perhaps he saw me as someone who had experienced on a far smaller scale something similar to what he had experienced. Perhaps he figured (correctly) that I would agree with what pained him the most: He hadn’t done anything wrong. He had spoken candidly about his assessment of the evidence regarding the B/W difference in IQ. His conclusion that genetics were part of the story was shared by the majority of specialists in IQ. And yet his professional career and reputation had been devastated.

    He wanted to live long enough for his remarks to be vindicated. I do remember reminding him of some good news. Since the genome had been sequenced, it had been established that evolutionary change had taken place after the dispersal from Africa and that the change had been mostly local, not shared across continents. The genetic evidence from GWAS studies had already found ubiquitous population differences across all the races, including variants associated with cognition. Vindication would come. But I got no sense that I had done anything to ease his anguish.

    Now he is dead. In a half century, his reputation as one of history’s great biologists will have been restored. People will know that he had the misfortune to reach old age in an era when the academy was lunatic. I hope he realized that before the end.

    _________

    James Watson was an “old stock” figure in more than one way. Apparently of 100% NW-European ancestry. Paternal-lines largely trace to colonial era. Dedicated to scientific inquiry, truth over ‘face.’

    James Watson, and Charles Murray too, are the kind of White ‘elite,’ tinkerer-inventor, or generally prominent figure you’d have seen all over the map/spectrum, throughout the eras of North American history up through the mid-20th century.

    Look at the people who led the lynch-mob to ‘Cancel’ Watson in 2007 to find who the replacement elites are.

    • Replies: @Pericles
    @Hail

    I thought it was an exceedingly fine gesture by Alisher Usmanov to buy and give Watson back his Nobel medal after he felt forced to sell it. Western billionaires can fuck right off.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30406322

    , @Hail
    @Hail


    Look at the people who led the lynch-mob to ‘Cancel’ Watson in 2007 to find who the replacement elites are
     
    Okay, I won't keep all the good Sailer-comment readers out there in suspense any more. From 2007:

    Southern Poverty Law Center: HATEWATCH

    ACADEMIC RACISM: INTO THE MUCK

    December 9, 2007
    by Mark Potok

    When Nobel Prize winner James D. Watson suggested in October that Africans are innately less intelligent than others, he was met by an international firestorm of scientific criticism, ultimately resulting in his public apology and later resignation [...]

    [E]xperts on intelligence challenged the scientific basis for Watson’s comment, and [Francis Collins,] the director of the Human Genome Research Institute, who took up his post after Watson left it, described Watson’s remark as “a racist statement.”
     

    Francis Collins joined in the denunciation of James Watson, but was merely following a mob of Mark Potoks.

    Francis Collins is remembered these days for his role as a leading promoter of the Covid Panic of 2020, denouncing and suppressing skeptics and opponents of the Panic, and warp-speeding the vaccines.

    Francis Collins' deputy (number two) at the Human Genome Research Institute was Alan Guttmacher, who took over the Human Genome Research Institute a few months after James Watson's unpersoning.

    But these guys, the Collinses and even the Guttmachers, were not the drivers of the Race Panic and cancellation of James Watson for his (scientifically-irrefutable) racial views. That was the Mark Potoks.

    Notice again the exact wording used by racial-political commissar Potok: he frames it as "an international firestorm of scientific criticism," which makes it seem like Watson had become an a fanatic Flat-Earther. In other worse, total moral-delegitimation of rivals/targets. (That's not the way the USA used to work.)

    To find the names of key, leading anti-Watson agitators, and power-players who signalled their approval of the guillotining of James Watson -- the people who made the panic begin and spread, who let the ritual humiliation and unpersoning succeed -- a long trip through the Sailer archives in late 2007 might be profitably done by someone.

    , @Hail
    @Hail

    Sailer says he was "shock[ed]" by the Cancellation of James Watson in 2007, by which we can assume he indeed means he was genuinely surprised by it:


    Steve Sailer:

    The two shocking to me (at the time) harbingers of cancel culture were in 2005-07:

    Harvard President Larry Summers for repeating Pinknerian talking points about why there were more male than female Harvard math professors, and

    James D. Watson on W-B test score gaps.
     
  • @Hail
    @Hail

    fwiw ---- the 1h6m first episode of "Rufo & Lomez on BlazeTV," featuring Lomez (Sailer publisher and publicity-man) and Chris Rufo (Sailer-influenced and generally mutual well-wisher), is up:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YzPq8RIb3k

    Replies: @Hail

    The parameters of the Rufo & Lomez Show show have been set and announced (see 54:45 to 56:45):

    CHRIS RUFO : Some selection, some curation, some thought, some taste [is necessary or inevitable].

    We’re going to have different guests on than another show, because we have different ideas, different preferences, different interests, different curiosity.

    But I think we do need to distinguish between ‘dead ends’ that are bad for the movement. ‘Groyperism‘ I would put in that category. We should have platforms for wider debate.

    CHRIS RUFO: I’ve had debates with Curtis Yarvin, who I don’t agree with at all on anything. But there is something that you learn from those debates, something that you gain. You strengthen your arguments. You see where your arguments might be weaker. You learn about someone else’s arguments.

    And I think that we need to [set] boundaries that permit debate, but are also sophisticated, [to] sort out the ‘real’ from the ‘hyperreal,’ the dead ends from the productive possibilities.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Hail

    “the Rufo & Lomez Show”

    Listened to it. Empty calories.

    “But I think we do need to distinguish between ‘dead ends’ that are bad for the movement.”

    So, gate keeping.

    , @Hypnotoad666
    @Hail


    The parameters of the Rufo & Lomez Show show have been set and announced (see 54:45 to 56:45):
     
    Another boring gatekeeper Op which will sink without a trace.

    Anyone with authentic appeal can just buy a microphone on Amazon and start podcasting. So AFAICT, the only purpose of podcast "networks" like The Daily Wire or The Blaze is to launder payments by undisclosed principals while contractually locking their stable of content providers into a particular propaganda reservation. It sounds brilliant on paper -- until nobody shows up to watch.
  • @Mike Tre
    @Almost Missouri

    "Kathryn Bigelow"

    Sailer's assessment of this director is laughable. The two movies she did that you mention, The Hurt Locker and Zero Dark Thirty, are so bad it defies belief. The Hurt Locker is an absolute mess. It makes zero sense, but of course it has the cookie cutter Killgore inspired character that all of these movies have. Zero Dark Thirty is basically pro "official story" propaganda regarding the "hunt" for OBL, featuring a Mary Sue CIA operative played by the unbearable and insufferable Jessica Chastain. I mean, I don't even think the actual body of OBL (or whomever they killed) would have even been cold yet when this movie came out.

    The only movie she did that was any good, as far as entertainment value goes, was Point Break (which has such a James Cameron feel I'd be shocked if he didn't actually direct it in reality) and that was because Gary Busey and Patrick Swayze carried Keanu's dull ass throughout the whole thing.

    Replies: @Hail, @Mr. Anon

    The Hurt Locker and Zero Dark Thirty, are so bad it defies belief

    They gave her an Oscar (March 2010) for Best Picture (!), and another for Best Director, for The Hurt Locker.

    That kind of thing might get Sailer’s enduring respect to the extent of leading towards some Anti-Noticing. (I don’t recall if I saw either one.)

    _________

    2010 “Best Picture” nominees:
    – The Hurt Locker (winner)
    – Avatar
    – The Blind Side
    – District 9
    – An Education
    – Inglourious Basterds
    – Precious: Based on the Novel ‘Push’ by Sapphire
    – A Serious Man
    – Up [animated]
    – Up in the Air

    2010 “Best Director” nominees:
    – Kathryn Bigelow – The Hurt Locker (winner)
    – James Cameron – Avatar
    – Quentin Tarantino – Inglourious Basterds
    – Lee Daniels – Precious: Based on the Novel ‘Push’ by Sapphire
    – Jason Reitman – Up in the Air

    (Does “Best Director” always overlap so totally with “Best Picture”?)

  • @Almost Missouri
    @Hail


    A House of Dynamite
     
    Saw it. As you say, it was disappointing on every dimension. The military/technical/geopolitical backstories that would interest three-digit IQ men are all completely perfunctory and unexplored. The designated General Ripper-esque character is a silly caricature. The movie stops the moment before impact, so the explosions-and-violence viewer demographic gets blue-balled. (Also a terrible violation of Chekov's Gun rule.)

    Steve describes Kathryn Bigelow as the lady director who will "sympathetically explore the crazy stuff that men do … fascinated by men who like blowing up stuff", which was on display in the not-so-masculinely-named Hurt Locker, but has completely disappeared from the very-masculinely-named House of Dynamite.

    Basically, the film is just a concatenation of brief character sketches of people, up and down the US chain-of-command, facing an imminent nuclear explosion, and they all react the same way: emotional meltdown and unseemly displays of metaphorical menstruation. Except the guy who carries the nuclear football, played with sangfroid by some British actor, who has about half a minute of screentime near the end. And yeah, casting Idris Elba (British, lol) as the new-and-improved Barack Obama sure was irritating. With Rebecca Ferguson and Jared Harris, it is notably peculiar how British-ly director Bigelow has cast this soi-disant character portrait of the US security state. I guess they work cheaper and are better at the rapid stern-to-sad transition that is the main action in this film.

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @Mark G., @Curle

    “Kathryn Bigelow”

    Sailer’s assessment of this director is laughable. The two movies she did that you mention, The Hurt Locker and Zero Dark Thirty, are so bad it defies belief. The Hurt Locker is an absolute mess. It makes zero sense, but of course it has the cookie cutter Killgore inspired character that all of these movies have. Zero Dark Thirty is basically pro “official story” propaganda regarding the “hunt” for OBL, featuring a Mary Sue CIA operative played by the unbearable and insufferable Jessica Chastain. I mean, I don’t even think the actual body of OBL (or whomever they killed) would have even been cold yet when this movie came out.

    The only movie she did that was any good, as far as entertainment value goes, was Point Break (which has such a James Cameron feel I’d be shocked if he didn’t actually direct it in reality) and that was because Gary Busey and Patrick Swayze carried Keanu’s dull ass throughout the whole thing.

    • Thanks: Hail
    • Replies: @Hail
    @Mike Tre


    The Hurt Locker and Zero Dark Thirty, are so bad it defies belief
     
    They gave her an Oscar (March 2010) for Best Picture (!), and another for Best Director, for The Hurt Locker.

    That kind of thing might get Sailer's enduring respect to the extent of leading towards some Anti-Noticing. (I don't recall if I saw either one.)

    _________

    2010 "Best Picture" nominees:
    - The Hurt Locker (winner)
    - Avatar
    - The Blind Side
    - District 9
    - An Education
    - Inglourious Basterds
    - Precious: Based on the Novel 'Push' by Sapphire
    - A Serious Man
    - Up [animated]
    - Up in the Air

    2010 "Best Director" nominees:
    - Kathryn Bigelow – The Hurt Locker (winner)
    - James Cameron – Avatar
    - Quentin Tarantino – Inglourious Basterds
    - Lee Daniels – Precious: Based on the Novel 'Push' by Sapphire
    - Jason Reitman – Up in the Air

    (Does "Best Director" always overlap so totally with "Best Picture"?)

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Mike Tre


    Zero Dark Thirty is basically pro “official story” propaganda regarding the “hunt” for OBL, featuring a Mary Sue CIA operative played by the unbearable and insufferable Jessica Chastain. I mean, I don’t even think the actual body of OBL (or whomever they killed) would have even been cold yet when this movie came out.
     
    With respect, I will have to disagree. Zero Dark Thirty was an excellent movie.

    Was it an excellent history? No. No movie is. But - purely viewed as a movie, as a cinematic undertaking - it was exceptionally well made. I think that Katheryn Bigelow is a much better director than her ex-husband, James Cameron.

    Is it regime propaganda? Yes, of course. You can see that they probably cleared a lot of it with the Obama administration. It was practically intended as a campaign ad for Obama (it came out in the election year of 2012). Obama - never shown or named, but invoked - was implied to be a smart guy, a decisive guy, a guy who was looking out for the American interest.

    And yet........and yet..........although it could be construed as a full-throated endorsement of the WoT - the "War on Terror" - look what it actually showed. It depicted our War on Terror as a sordid, squalid affair, in which we tortured people. Yes, it echoes CIA propaganda that torture works and that we were justified in torturing people, but it still shows us - Americans - the Good Guys (right?) torturing people. That's kind of out-there. And it shows the raid on Osama bin Laden's compound not as some brave commando raid, but as a cold-blooded murder. We sent a platoon of highly trained killers to grease a fifty-something dialysis patient and his family. It's less Where Eagles Dare and more Goodfellas.

    One could almost imagine a subversive subtext to Bigelow's movie, as if she were blinking a message with her eyelids, Hanoi-Hilton-style: yeah, I'm saying this is great, but - look closely - I'm not saying this is great.

    I don't know. It's complicated.

    Replies: @Mike Tre

  • @Hail
    @epebble


    U.S. nuclear war doctrine
     
    General Question:

    Have any Sailer-commentariat people seen the attention-getting new movie A House of Dynamite?

    A House of Dynamite is flat and disappointing in all ways: as art, as political statement, as satire, as realistic documentary-type effort, as anything.

    The movie makes nuclear war look boring! (spoilers below)

    It's cowardly on all important points, refusing (for example) to identify who shot the lone rogue nuclear missile at a U.S. city, refusing to identify any "bad guy" (or force) at all.

    The whole thing is supposed to be exciting and dramatic but for 2/3rds of it, it really goes nowhere. It also fails as any sort of satire, if that was the idea.

    A House of Dynamite muddles its own political points. It unrealistically portrays nuclear-war doctrine as something led by hair-trigger wackos, none of whom appear to have thought things through, who insist on retaliatory strikes against "someone" even when they don't know who shot the missile or even whether there is a missile and not some elaborate spoof. So the movie both takes itself far too seriously and also not seriously at all, somehow combining the two into one mediocre whole.

    The president is a throwback Black Wise Genius type. A Hollywoodized Michelle Obama is First Lady. She's out saving the elephants in Africa when this flat-and-boring nuclear war starts.

    If Sailer were still doing movie reviews, he might be interested in "teeing off" against this extremely weak, flat movie in his usual crafty way.

    Replies: @epebble, @Hail, @Almost Missouri

    A House of Dynamite

    Saw it. As you say, it was disappointing on every dimension. The military/technical/geopolitical backstories that would interest three-digit IQ men are all completely perfunctory and unexplored. The designated General Ripper-esque character is a silly caricature. The movie stops the moment before impact, so the explosions-and-violence viewer demographic gets blue-balled. (Also a terrible violation of Chekov’s Gun rule.)

    Steve describes Kathryn Bigelow as the lady director who will “sympathetically explore the crazy stuff that men do … fascinated by men who like blowing up stuff”, which was on display in the not-so-masculinely-named Hurt Locker, but has completely disappeared from the very-masculinely-named House of Dynamite.

    Basically, the film is just a concatenation of brief character sketches of people, up and down the US chain-of-command, facing an imminent nuclear explosion, and they all react the same way: emotional meltdown and unseemly displays of metaphorical menstruation. Except the guy who carries the nuclear football, played with sangfroid by some British actor, who has about half a minute of screentime near the end. And yeah, casting Idris Elba (British, lol) as the new-and-improved Barack Obama sure was irritating. With Rebecca Ferguson and Jared Harris, it is notably peculiar how British-ly director Bigelow has cast this soi-disant character portrait of the US security state. I guess they work cheaper and are better at the rapid stern-to-sad transition that is the main action in this film.

    • Thanks: Hail, Old Prude
    • Replies: @Mike Tre
    @Almost Missouri

    "Kathryn Bigelow"

    Sailer's assessment of this director is laughable. The two movies she did that you mention, The Hurt Locker and Zero Dark Thirty, are so bad it defies belief. The Hurt Locker is an absolute mess. It makes zero sense, but of course it has the cookie cutter Killgore inspired character that all of these movies have. Zero Dark Thirty is basically pro "official story" propaganda regarding the "hunt" for OBL, featuring a Mary Sue CIA operative played by the unbearable and insufferable Jessica Chastain. I mean, I don't even think the actual body of OBL (or whomever they killed) would have even been cold yet when this movie came out.

    The only movie she did that was any good, as far as entertainment value goes, was Point Break (which has such a James Cameron feel I'd be shocked if he didn't actually direct it in reality) and that was because Gary Busey and Patrick Swayze carried Keanu's dull ass throughout the whole thing.

    Replies: @Hail, @Mr. Anon

    , @Mark G.
    @Almost Missouri

    I liked the first movie Kathryn Bigelow did, Near Dark, which was about hillbilly vampires. It avoided the usual vampire stereotypes and had the Cramps version of "Fever" playing during one scene.

    The Cramps were one of several bands, with the Stray Cats probably being the most well known, in the late seventies to early eighties period influenced by fifties rockabilly music. Rockabilly music was well liked by the late Boomers in my college dorm. According to my mother, no one listened to it in her college dorm in the fifties. They thought it was for rednecks and listened to jazz like Dave Brubeck.

    The late Boomers spent their childhood in the turbulent sixties and adolescence in the stagflation seventies and many of them, including me, wished they had grown up in the placid prosperous fifties, hence their interest in fifties music and pop culture. The Cramps recently got some renewed attention when Jenna Ortega danced to their version of "Goo Goo Muck" on her Netflix Wednesday series.

    Replies: @Curle

    , @Curle
    @Almost Missouri


    character sketches of people, up and down the US chain-of-command, facing an imminent nuclear explosion, and they all react the same way: emotional meltdown and unseemly displays of metaphorical menstruation. Except the guy who carries the nuclear football
     
    Women carry the football too, or did. I had a friend who knew a guy who dated one of them back in the day and said he got a little concerned about the security of our country when she asked him to give her a child with no strings attached. I’m not so sure I like the idea of a woman carrying that thing.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

  • @Hail
    @Hail

    The Blaze's promo video for the Rufo & Lomez show:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MqkuCYnQ68


    "I think America has, for the first time in modern memory, a right-wing counter-culture."
     
    That line is from Ross Douthat, shown in the video. He is speaking about Lomez and Christopher Rufo (caveat: the latter has long been an activist for increasing the rate of Asian success in the name of fairness; so "right-wing" is, these days, far from necessarily "pro-White").

    Chances that this well-funded effort will pay for a round-trip Uber to take Steve Sailer to their studio and have him talk about his views on all things on the air, before the year 2025 is out: HIGH.

    Replies: @Hail

    fwiw —- the 1h6m first episode of “Rufo & Lomez on BlazeTV,” featuring Lomez (Sailer publisher and publicity-man) and Chris Rufo (Sailer-influenced and generally mutual well-wisher), is up:

    • Thanks: MEH 0910
    • Replies: @Hail
    @Hail

    The parameters of the Rufo & Lomez Show show have been set and announced (see 54:45 to 56:45):


    CHRIS RUFO : Some selection, some curation, some thought, some taste [is necessary or inevitable].

    We're going to have different guests on than another show, because we have different ideas, different preferences, different interests, different curiosity.

    But I think we do need to distinguish between 'dead ends' that are bad for the movement. 'Groyperism' I would put in that category. We should have platforms for wider debate.
     


    CHRIS RUFO: I've had debates with Curtis Yarvin, who I don't agree with at all on anything. But there is something that you learn from those debates, something that you gain. You strengthen your arguments. You see where your arguments might be weaker. You learn about someone else's arguments.

    And I think that we need to [set] boundaries that permit debate, but are also sophisticated, [to] sort out the 'real' from the 'hyperreal,' the dead ends from the productive possibilities.
     

    Replies: @Corvinus, @Hypnotoad666

  • @Hail
    @James B. Shearer


    science these days...has divided up into lots of esoteric subfields that only a few people in the world are interested in. And some of these subfields have been taken over by small cliques that referee and cite each other’s papers and reject outside criticism.
     
    This applies beyond just science per se.
    It'ss all, or nearly all, of that which is called academia.

    How might a culture reverse such a problem?

    Replies: @Hail

    subfields have been taken over by small cliques that referee and cite each other’s papers and reject outside criticism.

    Interesting to consider the case of the recently-deceased James Watson in this context.

  • @YetAnotherAnon
    DNA discoverer James Watson has died aged 97. Good genes. I'm sure Steve will post something.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin, @Emil Nikola Richard, @MEH 0910, @Hail

    Steve Sailer says James Watson‘s racial views have been vindicated:

    James D. Watson, RIP

    The co-discoverer of the structure of DNA, who was cancelled for mentioning the existence of the racial IQ gap, has died at 97.

    [S]ince 2007, Africa has taken the lead in the development of artificial intelligence, thus disproving Watson’s view.

    Oh, wait …

    [T]he 2007 cancellation of James D. Watson, America’s most distinguished man of science, for telling the truth about racial cognitive differences was a catastrophic milestone in America’s descent into the anti-science hysteria of the Great Awokening decade (hopefully, now in our rear view mirror).

    https://www.stevesailer.net/p/james-d-watson-rip

  • @Achmed E. Newman
    @Hail

    Hey dipshit, we already DO pay higher property taxes!

    ... because our front yards aren't filled with old couches and Crown Victorias up on blocks.

    You sure this guy is from America?

    Replies: @Hail

    Mamdani’s proclamation on targeting “white neighborhoods,” exact wording:

    “Shift the tax burden from overtaxed homeowners in the outer boroughs to more expensive homes in richer and whiter neighborhoods.”

    “The property tax system is unbalanced because assessment levels are artificially capped, so homeowners in expensive neighborhoods pay less than their fair share. The Mayor can fix this by pushing class assessment percentages down for everyone and adjusting rates up, effectively lowering tax payments for homeowners in neighborhoods like Jamaica and Brownsville while raising the amount paid in the most expensive Brooklyn brownstones.”

    The new policy would be designed to favor, quote, “family homes in Black and Latino neighborhoods like Jamaica, Brownsville, and Tremont […].”

  • @Hail
    @Hail


    The “thing” about Mamdani
     
    For unknown reasons, Steve Sailer has yet to make a general commentary on Mamdani.

    Replies: @Hail, @James B. Shearer, @Achmed E. Newman

    Mamdani says “white neighborhoods” should pay higher property taxes

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Hail

    Hey dipshit, we already DO pay higher property taxes!

    ... because our front yards aren't filled with old couches and Crown Victorias up on blocks.

    You sure this guy is from America?

    Replies: @Hail

    , @Corvinus
    @Hail

    This a great thing. Tax the white liberals, the donor class, and the corporatists who live there. You know, your “enemies”.

  • @MEH 0910
    @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality

    That's from a timely twitter callback to a 2023 Alex Nowrasteh tweet.


    Roman Helmet Guy
    @romanhelmetguy

    Libertarian billionaires lobbied for infinite third-world immigration to “reduce social solidarity” on purpose, because they believed the resulting ethnic hatred would stop people from voting for wealth redistribution, so now NYC has a communist mayor.

    10:52 AM · Nov 5, 2025
     
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G5AKv9rWAAAuYrw.jpg

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Nowrasteh

    Alexander Nowrasteh is an American analyst of immigration policy currently working at the Cato Institute, a libertarian think tank located in Washington D.C. Nowrasteh is an advocate of freer migration to the United States.[1] He previously worked as the immigration policy analyst at the Competitive Enterprise Institute, another libertarian think tank.[2] Nowrasteh is a self-described "radical" advocate for open borders to and from the United States.[3]
     

    Replies: @Hail, @J.Ross, @epebble

    “The” Alex Nowrasteh reached impressive heights of self-parody there.

    He had an explosive bout of a “Quiet Part Out Loud” that day. It just came out that way: suddenly, slimily, right there in his chair. The embarrassment at the discharge may have been minimal. Maybe race-and-politics expert Mr Alex Nowratesh had a spare change of clothes around the office and was able to get back to looking like a normal adult, one in reasonable control of his faculties, in no time.

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
    @Hail

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Nowrasteh#Early_life_and_education


    Alex Nowrasteh was born and raised in Southern California to Iranian-American filmmaker Cyrus Nowrasteh and his wife Betsy Giffen Nowrasteh.
     

    Publications related to immigration
     

    Replies: @MEH 0910

  • @Hail
    @epebble


    U.S. nuclear war doctrine
     
    General Question:

    Have any Sailer-commentariat people seen the attention-getting new movie A House of Dynamite?

    A House of Dynamite is flat and disappointing in all ways: as art, as political statement, as satire, as realistic documentary-type effort, as anything.

    The movie makes nuclear war look boring! (spoilers below)

    It's cowardly on all important points, refusing (for example) to identify who shot the lone rogue nuclear missile at a U.S. city, refusing to identify any "bad guy" (or force) at all.

    The whole thing is supposed to be exciting and dramatic but for 2/3rds of it, it really goes nowhere. It also fails as any sort of satire, if that was the idea.

    A House of Dynamite muddles its own political points. It unrealistically portrays nuclear-war doctrine as something led by hair-trigger wackos, none of whom appear to have thought things through, who insist on retaliatory strikes against "someone" even when they don't know who shot the missile or even whether there is a missile and not some elaborate spoof. So the movie both takes itself far too seriously and also not seriously at all, somehow combining the two into one mediocre whole.

    The president is a throwback Black Wise Genius type. A Hollywoodized Michelle Obama is First Lady. She's out saving the elephants in Africa when this flat-and-boring nuclear war starts.

    If Sailer were still doing movie reviews, he might be interested in "teeing off" against this extremely weak, flat movie in his usual crafty way.

    Replies: @epebble, @Hail, @Almost Missouri

    Have any Sailer-commentariat people seen the attention-getting new movie A House of Dynamite?

    A House of Dynamite is flat and disappointing in all ways: as art, as political statement, as satire, as realistic documentary-type effort, as anything.

    The movie makes nuclear war look boring!

    If Sailer were still doing movie reviews

    Steve Sailer has returned to movie-reviewing, for (the flat, disappointing, ‘dud’ of a nuclear-apocalypse movie called) A House of Dynamite:

    https://www.stevesailer.net/p/a-house-of-dynamite

    • Replies: @A123
    @Hail

    No one has anything good to say about A House of Dynamite. At least it is only boring and turning in middling scores.

    Streaming has inflicted a much worse horror upon us. Kim Kardashian “...is to acting what Genghis Khan is to peaceful liberal democracy."

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-xuGCZYk7nM

    All's Fair is turning into a fiasco reminiscent of Queen Cleopatra. I guess on the upside Kardashian, will not be sued by the Egyptian government for crimes against history & culture.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    For those who want numbers:

    https://www.metacritic.com/movie/a-house-of-dynamite/
    https://www.metacritic.com/tv/alls-fair-2025/
    https://www.metacritic.com/tv/queen-cleopatra/

    , @J.Ross
    @Hail

    HoD is zoomer nepo babies who didn't experience the Cold War trying to make Fail Safe (no, they don't know about that Kubrick movie), plus Trump bad.

    Replies: @Hail

  • @epebble
    @Hail

    James Fishback seems emotional. We can't run away from harsh reality of 56% of U.S. adults read at or below 6th grade. If we wonder why our governments and leaders are dysfunctional, we have to see a mirror (as a nation).

    https://www.nu.edu/blog/49-adult-literacy-statistics-and-facts/

    Replies: @Hail, @Almost Missouri

    The Vivek Ramaswmay argument is not about a gap between people with sub-par reading skills and people with good reading skills.

    The Vivek Ramaswamy argument is more like:

    RAMASWAMY: Americans out there who have good reading skills are LAZY. They need to focus! They need to spend 6 days a week cramming for spelling bees, for gameable standardized tests. Let’s go!

    Because then, friends, the glorious future awaits. These shaped-up, ex-lazy Whites can put to use the skills, thus acquired, to scam people at large scale and to the tune of millions on fraudulent medical technologies followed by second careers as Fox News talking-heads that can skillfully recite bullet-pointed lists of anti-Wokeness positions.

  • @Hail
    @Pericles

    The "thing" about Mamdani is:

    He is a South Asian, of (something like) transnational-diasporic-elite origin, with extremely shallow ties to the United States.

    The Mamdani family, afacit, has no meaningful ties to the US before the 2000s (!). (Although with transnational-diasporic elites like that, in the post-1970s USA, there are always some sort of distant cousins doing something, of which somehow the more clannish among us in the human race always seem to know well about.)

    How can you be a true ideologue in a country where you are a foreigner? Maybe it's occasionally possible, in theory. But more likely it's the typical m.o. of South Asians in politics, and similar fields, all over the world: It is some degree of cover for their skill at "talking their way into" things. Slogans don't mean that much, sort of done to "rile up" people to himself as he games a system and talks his way into power. (See also: Vivek Ramaswamy; and actually a long list of others.)

    It's not some amazing cosmic coincidence that these people happen to pop up as cool-outsider politicians who somehow walk into success all over the English-speaking world.

    In other words, it would mean something a lot more profound if he had around sixteen U.S.-born great-great-grandparents and was pushing "Socialism." A figure like the French communist Jean-Luc Melenchon.

    The way Mamdani actually is -- a non-American who does left-wing happy-talk people cheer over like some political equivalent of a sports team -- I think people don't take him very seriously as an ideologue per se. And that's one way he came to embraced by the system and around 50% of NYC voters (far less, though, if counting actual Americans).

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Hail

    The “thing” about Mamdani

    For unknown reasons, Steve Sailer has yet to make a general commentary on Mamdani.

    • Replies: @Hail
    @Hail


    Mamdani says "white neighborhoods" should pay higher property taxes
     
    https://hailtoyou.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/11/mamdani-says-white-neighborhoods-should-pay-higher-taxes-nov-2025.png

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Corvinus

    , @James B. Shearer
    @Hail

    "For unknown reasons, Steve Sailer has yet to make a general commentary on Mamdani."

    I do not find this surprising. Sailer has said he likes to comment on things where he feels he has some special insight and that he dislikes making factual errors. Living in Southern California he may feel he is not well positioned to offer accurate, insightful commentary on the intricacies of New York City politics.

    I thought the substack post by Mathew Yglesias on Mamdani's election was interesting albeit rather long.

    "But the interesting thing about the Great Forgetting of Bill de Blasio is not that he was some embarrassing Johnson-like failure the left wants to memory hole. It’s that the left grew disillusioned with him almost immediately, to the point that four years after he stepped down, people responded to the election of a new mayor on a strong anti-billionaire platform as if we didn’t see a campaign with these exact same themes win twelve years ago."

    "The hard question for the urban left isn’t whether they can win elections in the most left-wing parts of the country. And it’s not even really whether they can do a good job in office. It’s whether they can sustain enthusiasm for their own champion as Mamdani has to wrestle with the actual problems of governance in a world where the prospects for socialism in one city are genuinely unpromising."

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @Hail

    Mr. Hail, regarding your question to the commenters under that recent Steve Sailer substack post on Danish immigration, the answer is a bit over 500,000 or about 10% of the population, according to a almost 3-week-old or so ZH article that I read - Danish People's Party Manifesto Calls For Mass Repatriations, Hijab Ban, & Halal Tax

    I meant to post on this too, before I saw Mr. Sailer's post. Those ZeroHedge commenters, even among the hilarious cut-downs and so forth, are good to bring one back to reality. As much as that article sounds really good, they say that the pols proposing all this only have a teens-level percentage of support - is that "officially" per pollsters or in reality, I don't know...

    Thanks for your comments on that substack post. Besides a few of the oldies from here, not too many sound really gung-ho enough to me such that I think they really care what happens. (I could say the same for iSteve, I guess, some of the time. People who are too civil and mellow about things worry me. Get freaking exited about something, dammit!)

  • @Hail
    Steve Sailer congratulates Egypt on finally opening a big ancient-history museum:

    Egypt’s Grand Museum Is Finally Open. Now, ‘We Need Our Stuff Back.’
    New York Times | Nov 6, 2025

    The museum’s most anticipated exhibit is the full 5,500 items from King Tutankhamen’s tomb. Egyptians say it’s time to experience their most precious antiquities at home.

    [...] The new Tutankhamen collection is the centerpiece of the Grand Egyptian Museum, a lavishly designed mega complex, with the Great Pyramids of Giza rising from the desert behind it. Decades in the making, the museum finally opened its doors to the public this week.

    Its opening is a “gift from Egypt to the world,” Egypt’s president, Abdel Fattah el-Sisi, told the audience [...]
     

    Steve Sailer:

    Egypt wants back its ancient treasures like the bust of Nefertiti and the Rosetta stone from the museums of Europe. To counter the argument that Egypt lacked a suitable museum, they are the opening the magnificent Grand Egyptian Museum.

    Good for them.
     

    Murphy Fowles [@FowlesMurphy]:

    Ancient Egyptians are more genetically similar to Europeans than modern Egyptians.

    Whose heritage is it really?
     
    Also, why didn't today's Egyptians discover their own ancient artifacts?

    Replies: @Hail

    A Sailer supporter writes this on Egypt:

    Went to the old Egyptian museum in Cairo in 2005 and felt sorry for its scammy decrepit turd world condition right from the ticket booth. Worse yet for visiting the pyramids and the sphinx. Cairo felt like the night of the living dead, worse than Manila or Santo Domingo. Egypt is a sh**hole country.

    • Replies: @EdwardM
    @Hail

    Indeed it is. Cairo is a massive city (maybe 20M people) with apparently zero functioning traffic signals. They have replaced the jalopy taxis in recent years (it was a shame, I enjoyed the '50s cars with side panels rusted off panels and threadbare seats as recently as 10 years ago), but the driving is still the most chaotic I have ever seen.

    The tourist sites feature decrepit ticket windows with no semblance of queues, non-functional metal detectors, grimy surfaces, and half-assed ticket takers/"security" guards/touts without uniforms. You'd think that for their key cultural heritage sites, which are major national assets, they'd learn to hire some white people to manage them.

    Egypt has probably the most significant intellectual and cultural weight of any Arab country since the advent of Islam (a low bar, I know), and has influenced the region a lot, but most other Arabs, especially Levantines and Moroccans, rightly despise them. The country has a lot in common with India -- people who are complacent and inept yet rambunctious when they get in a mob (Egyptians seem to have a little wild n*gger in them), resulting in a completely corrupt, amoral dystopia.

    I have worked with a lot of Egyptians, and a telltale sign is their lack of compunction. "We really need that permit by Wednesday, will we get it?" "Yes, of course." Then he proceeds to do nothing, nor formulate any idea what needs to be done, until you harangue his boss starting on Thursday. It's not that he's trying to scam you, or even really acting in bad faith, just that he is totally hapless and devoid of any concept of the steps needed to get from point A to point B, to say nothing of the duty to the customer.

    Of course there's an elite at the right tail of the bell curve, sizeable given the large population, which understands the will of the Islamist majority and thus supports the Mubaraks and Sisis of the world to suppress it by brute force (as in Turkey and Pakistan).

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

  • @Bardon Kaldian
    @Hail

    Isn't NYC socio-political intelligence overrated? As well as its financial & global cultural stability & influence?

    It would be perhaps good for the US that NYC enters into a period of real, not just superficial decline.

    Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    Isn’t NYC socio-political intelligence overrated?

    Yes.

    As well as its financial & global cultural stability & influence?

    Less than it should be.

    It would be perhaps good for the US that NYC enters into a period of real, not just superficial decline.

    Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

    I entertain this view sometimes, such as in my previous sentence.

    The argument, variations of which I myself have advanced here, is that NYC doesn’t genuinely add value, either materially or morally, but it does impose large costs on the US. So deleting it would be a net benefit.

    While I recognize that NYC, like any other major institution, is unlikely to change absent real and severe pain, I yet hesitate to prescribe the full Mamdani Pill: the-worse-the-better-type of accelerationist argument, for two reasons:

    1) Just because something is a net liability doesn’t mean that it does not have assets within it. While elimination of the many and varied liabilities would be welcome, it would be a shame if that also meant losing the assets. Relatedly,

    2) I strongly suspect that in reality the Mamdani Option will simply strengthen the liabilities, while letting the assets drift further into eclipse, so he won’t be The Final Solution to the New Amsterdam Question, but will merely make the problems worse and the Question more acute in every way.

    • Thanks: Hail
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Almost Missouri

    3) You're gonna see too many cars with these on 'em, and they're NOT gonna be tourists this time!

    https://www.peakstupidity.com/images/New_York_License_Plate.jpg

    , @Bardon Kaldian
    @Almost Missouri


    While I recognize that NYC, like any other major institution, is unlikely to change absent real and severe pain, I yet hesitate to prescribe the full Mamdani Pill: the-worse-the-better-type of accelerationist argument, for two reasons:

    1) Just because something is a net liability doesn’t mean that it does not have assets within it. While elimination of the many and varied liabilities would be welcome, it would be a shame if that also meant losing the assets. Relatedly,

    2) I strongly suspect that in reality the Mamdani Option will simply strengthen the liabilities, while letting the assets drift further into eclipse, so he won’t be The Final Solution to the New Amsterdam Question, but will merely make the problems worse and the Question more acute in every way.
     
    Assets will move out of NYC.

    I don't mean Detroit-type complete collapse of NYC, but a sort of purgation which will cleanse most of its parasites & idiots.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIhSsBu_xOI
    , @Corvinus
    @Almost Missouri

    “As well as its (NYC) financial & global cultural stability & influence? Less than it should be.”

    On what basis did you arrive at that conclusion?

    “NYC doesn’t genuinely add value”

    How so? Please be specific. Thanks.

  • @Buzz Mohawk
    @kaganovitch

    Okay, k, here is my report on the gravlax:

    Finished curing it today. Stopped three hours early, thinking about your advice.

    It is a success. My wife and I both like it.

    This wild-caught, Alaskan chinook salmon came out very buttery and soft. The flavor was good, and not at all too salty or sweet. It is just very good, and it sliced well.

    I should add that I think the variety of salmon matters very much.

    Sliced and served according to your recipe, it was very enjoyable on thin-sliced pumpernickel with the sauce drizzled on top.
    The sauce is, to me, an essential part of the recipe. My wife, on the other hand, is content to enjoy the fish like sashimi. I like your recipe in its entirety, on thin-sliced pumpernickel with that wonderful sauce drizzled on top.

    My wife wants now to try other gravlax recipes. She informs me that she has known about gravlax, while I just became aware of it thanks to you. I feel great because I am at least 1/8 Norwegian-Swedish. You have introduced me to something that my own ancestors must have enjoyed.

    Thank you, sir.

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @Hail

    I feel great because I am at least 1/8 Norwegian-Swedish

    DU GAMLA, DU FRIA

    Du gamla, Du fria, Du fjällhöga Nord!
    Du tysta, Du glädjerika sköna…

    Jag hälsar Dig, vänaste land uppå jord
    Din sol, Din himmel, Dina ängder gröna!
    Din sol, Din himmel, Dina ängder gröna!

    Du tronar på minnen från fornstora dar–
    då ärat Ditt namn flög över jorden…

    Jag vet att Du är och förblir vad du var;
    Ja, jag vill leva jag vill dö i Norden!
    Ja, jag vill leva jag vill dö i Norden!

    YOU ANCIENT, YOU FREE

    You ancient, you free, you mountainous North!
    You quiet, you joyous beauty…

    I greet [or “hail”] you, loveliest land upon Earth,
    Your sun, your sky, your countryside green! (x2)

    You are enthroned upon memories of ancient days,
    When, honored, your name flew across the Earth…

    I know that you are, and you will be, what you were,
    Yes, I want to live, I want to die in the North! (x2)

    • Thanks: Buzz Mohawk
    • Replies: @Hail
    @Hail


    DU GAMLA, DU FRIA
     

    YOU ANCIENT, YOU FREE
     
    My apologies to all fans of correctness:

    I posted the "Du Gamla, Du Fria" lyrics limited to the widely-known, 'classic,' two-verse, version which is pan-Scandinavian (or easily adaptable considerably beyond Scandinavia

    The music, though, is from the widened four-verse version.

    I'll post here the four-verse version in Swedish and English, side-by-side.

    For those with total unfamiliarity with the languages of Scandinavia, you can confirm their close relation to English/German easily, by a simple exercise in comparing these (simple) lyrics line by line. It's quite possible, much of the time, to do full--on "word substitution," and with merely slightly altered words at that.

    You're going to have to do some work, though, by clicking "More":

    _________

    DU GAMLA, DU FRIA
    YOU ANCIENT, YOU FREE

    [Verse 1]

    Du gamla, du fria,
    Du fjällhöga Nord!
    Du tysta,
    Du glädjerika sköna...

    You ancient, you free,
    You mountainous North!
    You quiet,
    You joyous beauty…

    .

    Jag hälsar Dig,
    vänaste land uppå jord,
    Din sol, Din himmel,
    Dina ängder gröna!

    I greet [or “hail”] you,
    loveliest land upon the Earth,
    Your sun, your sky,
    your countryside green!

    ________

    [Verse 2]

    Du tronar på minnen
    från fornstora dar,
    då ärat ditt namn
    flög över jorden...

    You are enthroned upon memories
    of ancient days,
    When, honored, your name
    flew across the Earth…

    .

    Jag vet att du är
    och du blir vad du var.
    Ja, jag vill leva
    jag vill dö i Norden!


    I know that you are,
    and that you shall remain,
    what you were.
    Yes, I want to live,
    I want to die, in the North!

    ________

    [Verse 3] (added in new version)

    Jag städs vill dig tjäna,
    mitt älskade land,
    Dig trohet till
    döden vill jag svära.

    I forever want to serve you,
    My beloved land,
    fidelity until death
    I want to swear to you.

    .

    Din rätt skall jag värna,
    med håg och med hand,
    Din fana, högt!
    den bragderika bära.

    Your rights I shall defend
    with mind and with hand,
    Your banner, high,
    the glorious [banner], (we shall keep) aloft.

    .

    ________

    [Verse 4] (added in new version)

    Med Gud skall jag kämpa,
    för hem och för härd,
    för Sverige,
    den kära fosterjorden.

    With God I shall fight
    for home and for hearth,
    for Sweden,
    the beloved mother soil.

    .

    Jag byter dig ej
    emot allt i en värld:
    Nej, jag vill leva
    jag vill dö i Norden!

    Trade you away, I won't
    for anything in this world:
    No, I want to live,
    I want to die, in the North!

    ________
    ________


    Sweden's greatest king was killed in Germany this week in the year 1632. Consider this Sailer-comment-box effort a tribute to him.

    In that king's three years' intervention in Germany, during the calamity known to us as the "Thirty Years War," he saved the Protestant Cause (German-Protestants will tell you). By so doing, he (people say) guaranteed that there'd be no overstuffed, overbearing, Catholic-ruled, Hapsburg-dominated monster-state in central Europe.

    Sweden's slain king maybe earned an implicit place in the song, the lyrics of which I've just given --- at the least, the part about being "free."

    Replies: @OilcanFloyd, @Pericles

  • Steve Sailer endorses work-life balance, including for those doing things like “building the Atom Bomb”:

    James Fishback:

    We don’t want ANYONE lecturing us about Indian literacy rates or Chinese math rates. Cut the crap now. We’re Americans. We’re talented. We’re smart. And no, we’re not giving up church on Sunday for more math tutoring. We’re not skipping Friday Night Lights because there’s a chemistry test to cram for. The second we stop apologizing for who we are, we will start winning again!

    James Blunt [social-media booster of Vivek For Ohio 2026 campaign]:

    Americans didn’t build the Atom Bomb by prioritizing “work-life balance.”

    Norm Matloff [retired professor of computer science, California; has published works back to 2003 arguing for the elimination of the H1B visa]:

    Actually, the people at Los Alamos got weekends off, just like in normal jobs.

    Steve Sailer:

    My dad told me that at Lockheed during WWII, they did a study of how much work they could get out of people and found that total output declined past 52 hours per week.

    • Replies: @epebble
    @Hail

    James Fishback seems emotional. We can't run away from harsh reality of 56% of U.S. adults read at or below 6th grade. If we wonder why our governments and leaders are dysfunctional, we have to see a mirror (as a nation).

    https://www.nu.edu/blog/49-adult-literacy-statistics-and-facts/

    Replies: @Hail, @Almost Missouri

  • Steve Sailer congratulates Egypt on finally opening a big ancient-history museum:

    Egypt’s Grand Museum Is Finally Open. Now, ‘We Need Our Stuff Back.’
    New York Times | Nov 6, 2025

    The museum’s most anticipated exhibit is the full 5,500 items from King Tutankhamen’s tomb. Egyptians say it’s time to experience their most precious antiquities at home.

    […] The new Tutankhamen collection is the centerpiece of the Grand Egyptian Museum, a lavishly designed mega complex, with the Great Pyramids of Giza rising from the desert behind it. Decades in the making, the museum finally opened its doors to the public this week.

    Its opening is a “gift from Egypt to the world,” Egypt’s president, Abdel Fattah el-Sisi, told the audience […]

    Steve Sailer:

    Egypt wants back its ancient treasures like the bust of Nefertiti and the Rosetta stone from the museums of Europe. To counter the argument that Egypt lacked a suitable museum, they are the opening the magnificent Grand Egyptian Museum.

    Good for them.

    Murphy Fowles [@FowlesMurphy]:

    Ancient Egyptians are more genetically similar to Europeans than modern Egyptians.

    Whose heritage is it really?

    Also, why didn’t today’s Egyptians discover their own ancient artifacts?

    • Replies: @Hail
    @Hail

    A Sailer supporter writes this on Egypt:


    Went to the old Egyptian museum in Cairo in 2005 and felt sorry for its scammy decrepit turd world condition right from the ticket booth. Worse yet for visiting the pyramids and the sphinx. Cairo felt like the night of the living dead, worse than Manila or Santo Domingo. Egypt is a sh**hole country.
     

    Replies: @EdwardM

  • @James B. Shearer
    @Pericles

    "One of the good parts of the reviled peer review, by the way: not seldom do you end up being refereed by the author you’re citing, or at least his group. Then you better get it right."

    That's not actually a good thing if the author and his group are promoting some nonsense and your paper is attempting to point out that they are all wrong.

    One of the problems with science these days is that it has divided up into lots of esoteric subfields that only a few people in the world are interested in. And some of these subfields have been taken over by small cliques that referee and cite each other's papers and reject outside criticism.

    Replies: @Hail, @Pericles

    science these days…has divided up into lots of esoteric subfields that only a few people in the world are interested in. And some of these subfields have been taken over by small cliques that referee and cite each other’s papers and reject outside criticism.

    This applies beyond just science per se.
    It’ss all, or nearly all, of that which is called academia.

    How might a culture reverse such a problem?

    • Replies: @Hail
    @Hail


    subfields have been taken over by small cliques that referee and cite each other’s papers and reject outside criticism.
     
    Interesting to consider the case of the recently-deceased James Watson in this context.
  • @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality


    I believe Steve Sailer also took time to attack Nick Fuentes of all people in this Tucker interview.
     
    Does Steve “attack” people? Sounds out of character for him. Could you be lying again?

    Replies: @Hail

    Does Steve “attack” people?

    I don’t think so.

  • @Hail
    Lomez (Steve Sailer's publisher and now publicity-man) and alleged pro-White activist Chris Rufo are "starting a weekly show with the Blaze this Friday."

    Replies: @Corpse Tooth, @Hail

    The Blaze’s promo video for the Rufo & Lomez show:

    “I think America has, for the first time in modern memory, a right-wing counter-culture.”

    That line is from Ross Douthat, shown in the video. He is speaking about Lomez and Christopher Rufo (caveat: the latter has long been an activist for increasing the rate of Asian success in the name of fairness; so “right-wing” is, these days, far from necessarily “pro-White”).

    Chances that this well-funded effort will pay for a round-trip Uber to take Steve Sailer to their studio and have him talk about his views on all things on the air, before the year 2025 is out: HIGH.

    • Replies: @Hail
    @Hail

    fwiw ---- the 1h6m first episode of "Rufo & Lomez on BlazeTV," featuring Lomez (Sailer publisher and publicity-man) and Chris Rufo (Sailer-influenced and generally mutual well-wisher), is up:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YzPq8RIb3k

    Replies: @Hail

  • @Currdog73
    @Hail

    Abilene is the start of West Texas, East Texas is Southern, South Texas is brush country and the panhandle where I live is more flyover Great Plains hardscrabble gritty types (because of the damn wind). And of course there is central Texas where you have an influx of Slavic and German people who aren't southerners but are great people. Papa Niemstchke being one and sweet Coufal (pronounced sue fall) being another.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Mike Tre, @Hail

    Abilene is the start of West Texas

    ABILENE
    nickname:
    “The Friendly Frontier”

    Metropolitan-area population in 2020: 176,600, with most in Taylor County (143,200) which contains Abilene.

    Taylor County, Tx., race population in 2020:
    – White: 61%
    – Black: 7.5%
    – Asian: 2%
    – Amerind: 0.5%
    – Multiracial: 4.5%
    – Hispanic: 24.5%

    In voting:

    — Thru 1948, Taylor County returned huge D-majorities on the order of 90-10. (Except once: in 1928, when they swung from their baseline of around 90-10 D-R to 32-68 D-R. As many as two-thirds of normal D-voters there flocked to Hoover in 1928, refusing to vote for the Catholic Al Smith. Hoover even narrowly won the state of Texas 52-48, but then lost the state 11-88 in 1932).

    — Generally voted 60-40 R-D between the 1950s and 1990s, the R realignment really beginning with Eisenhower and being an early harbinger of the later full-on party-reversal in “the South.”

    — Increased to 75-25 R-D in 2000 and after. The 74% vote-share to Trump in 2024 is very high given the White population down to 61% (and far above the Texas statewide result 56-42 Trump-Kamala).

    You can tell a lot about a given place by whether its vote-totals for president swung toward or away from Trump (vs the previous R-D voting baseline). Taylor County didn’t really move. Trump may have even lost ground (Bush-00: 74%; Bush-04: 77%; Trump elections: 73%, 72%, 74%), but that could be entirely a product of the race of voters changing.

  • @Pericles
    @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality

    Wikipedia can provide some nice cases of citation laundering. I've heard there nowadays might furthermore be some sort of loop there too, where 'editors' silently plead for supportive articles by their media pals. Hopefully Grokipedia will crush them.

    One of the good parts of the reviled peer review, by the way: not seldom do you end up being refereed by the author you're citing, or at least his group. Then you better get it right.

    Replies: @James B. Shearer

    “One of the good parts of the reviled peer review, by the way: not seldom do you end up being refereed by the author you’re citing, or at least his group. Then you better get it right.”

    That’s not actually a good thing if the author and his group are promoting some nonsense and your paper is attempting to point out that they are all wrong.

    One of the problems with science these days is that it has divided up into lots of esoteric subfields that only a few people in the world are interested in. And some of these subfields have been taken over by small cliques that referee and cite each other’s papers and reject outside criticism.

    • Thanks: kaganovitch
    • Replies: @Hail
    @James B. Shearer


    science these days...has divided up into lots of esoteric subfields that only a few people in the world are interested in. And some of these subfields have been taken over by small cliques that referee and cite each other’s papers and reject outside criticism.
     
    This applies beyond just science per se.
    It'ss all, or nearly all, of that which is called academia.

    How might a culture reverse such a problem?

    Replies: @Hail

    , @Pericles
    @James B. Shearer

    Indeed, there are well-known larger problems, but your citations will have to be right. Well, I think you can usually get away with buttering them up with a couple of cites, and it's not unknown for referees to do some citation begging -- You forgot about this key paper, dear colleague -- but it can't be nonsense.

    Even worse if your enemy is the editor of some key journal. There are always more journals though.

  • Steve Sailer is looking to create a cultural-division line in Texas to demarcate where the South ends and the West begins:

    Steve Sailer:

    [T]he South probably doesn’t extend quite so far west in Texas. Dallas, like Orlando, is pretty generic Sunbelt rather than Southern.

    __________

    On the other hand, I’ve seen it argued that The South as a cultural region is growing in the 21st Century to include more of non-urban America than that, say, Garrison Keillor would have recognized as Southern 40 years ago. I don’t travel enough to have an opinion on that.

    Rod Dreher:

    When I lived in Dallas 20 yrs ago, the locals said the border between the South and the West was halfway between Dallas and Fort Worth. Don’t know if that still holds.

    Steve Sailer:

    Fascinating.

    I’ve spent a few days in Fort Worth, but my main exposure to Dallas, rather than its corporate suburbs, was going to a reggae concert there in the 1980s, so that’s probably not representative.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @Hail

    Oh, I get it, as an actual, real "Westerner." As a Coloradan who came of age making fun of Texans.

    You know, they would vacation up in our mountains, in places like Vail. They were known for talking loud and being just "big" in personality, like Texas. My father had a girlfriend from Texas after my mother divorced him. She was just like that.

    Steve-O here is trying desperately to do one of those things people do: He is trying to assign a line, a border, a definition -- in this case to a cultural/geographical area.

    Well, some of us who actually came of age in "The West" have some feel for this. Yes, Texas is not quite "The South," and it is "Sort of The West."

    In other words -- wait for it -- because real Texans will understand -- Texas is Fucking TEXAS!

    What galls me the most is that a writer like Steve Sailer is writing, "I’ve spent a few days in Fort Worth, but my main exposure to Dallas, rather than its corporate suburbs, was going to a reggae concert there in the 1980s, so that’s probably not representative."

    Yeah, dude, you don't know shit about it, so why are you attempting to pontificate about it?

    Tiresome. So tiresome, from a guy who still works in a closet in a two bedroom house in SoCal.

    Replies: @Currdog73

    , @Currdog73
    @Hail

    Abilene is the start of West Texas, East Texas is Southern, South Texas is brush country and the panhandle where I live is more flyover Great Plains hardscrabble gritty types (because of the damn wind). And of course there is central Texas where you have an influx of Slavic and German people who aren't southerners but are great people. Papa Niemstchke being one and sweet Coufal (pronounced sue fall) being another.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Mike Tre, @Hail

    , @J.Ross
    @Hail

    Garrison Keillor is in charge of recognizing Southernness?

  • Steve Sailer says demand exceeds supply for female geniuses; and late-20th-/21st-century feminists err in their theory of Western historical suppression of female genius:

    The conventional wisdom is that Western culture was hostile to female geniuses and tried to cover up their accomplishments. But, in reality, Western Europeans often went nuts at the time over the kind of interesting but not terribly important women rediscovered by feminists.

    For example, back around 1990 during the first political correctness frenzy, feminist English professors were celebrating books like “Frankenstein,” “Uncle Tom’s Cabin,” and “Gone With the Wind.”

    “Gone With the Wind” got cancelled, but it really was praised in the late 1980s feminist English professors. And not at all unreasonably: on a scatterplot of quality of writing/plot vs. quantity of sales, it’s up in the top right corner.

    ___________

    Artemisia Gentileschi [1593-1653, Italian painter, female] was a pretty big celebrity in her own day.

    A lot of feminist humanities scholarship consisted of reviving the fame of formerly famous women. A not unworthy undertaking, but not like discovering wholly ignored geniuses.

    There is a bias in favor of history remembering male artists, but it’s not misogyny so much as that men think more about “Who was the greatest of all time?” and women think more about “Who is the next big thing?” (Thus, gay men tend to keep alive the legends of old actresses.)

  • @res
    @Hail

    0.07 * 0.85 + 0.08 * 0.79 + 0.37 * 0.54 + 0.45 * 0.38 = 0.4935
    So I guess that is plausible.

    Amazing how much difference 15% of the voters can make if they block vote.

    The age and education crosstabs at your link are interesting.

    Do you think Sliwa cost Cuomo the election?

    Replies: @Hail

    Do you think Sliwa cost Cuomo the election?

    Many are watching to see whether Mamdani gets over 50.00% on final-certified results. It’s very close. But if he does dip below 50.00%, it’s still mathematically not likely all the Sliwa voters would’ve gone for Cuomo, as Not Vote is always also an option. OTOH, if Sliwa had gotten out and teamed up with Cuomo, it’d have changed the dynamic in yet more unpredictable ways.

    This three-person-race dilemma is the entire point of “ranked-choice voting.” Why did the Democratic primary (which is generally the “real election”) in 2025 have ranked-choice voting but the general election didn’t?

    ___________

    And, despite all the fanfare and global attention to this NYC mayor race, “consider this”:
    – 7 million+ adults may be resident in NYC;
    – 5.1 million supposedly are registered to vote.
    – 2.08 million votes were cast for mayor in November 2025
    – 2.80 million votes were cast in NYC for president in 2024.

    On percent of total adult residents, that means under 30% voted for mayor in 2025. In such conditions, even small waves of momentum can carry someone far.

    A lot of the “non-registered to vote” adults are foreigners ineligible to vote. That distorts the denominator in the calculation that yields <30% (who voted in this supposed "surge" election). That's part of the point: NYC is a place with a high opinion of itself (and the prices to match). But it is, in many ways, low on public-spiritedness. That's Diversity. NB: socialism cannot work absent public-spiritedness.

    Previous mayoral elections were down nearer the 1-million-votes-cast mark for a few decades running. The last time the total was near 2 million were 1989 and 1993, Giuliani vs Dinkins both times, both close; won by Giuliani the second time.

  • @Achmed E. Newman
    Since it's probably obligatory to at least bring up and link to SteveSailer-dot-net posts, here's his latest Takimag column: What’s the Matter With Economists?.

    A few comments, though I haven't finished reading:

    1)


    Why are economists well compensated? The number of private industry job openings for economists has grown significantly because the computerization of everything allows businesses to implement microeconomics theory for maximizing profits by just rewriting some code. Amazon, for example, now employs several hundred economists with Ph.D.s.
     
    That doesn't mean they know what they're doing. It sounds like a good place to experiment with economic theories, but after the simple Supply&Demand and Elasticity stuff, it's all a bunch of hooey. So amazon prices will fluctuate in an annoying manner, and the stupid fucks won't even let you read further reviews unless you're logged in now (no guest buying anymore).

    2) Mr. Sailer was probably right, even without any rigorous analysis, that the supposed great benefit of violent and insane Cuban immigration into Miami (thanks, Jimmah!) 45 years ago would not have all improved the economy without that Co-caine, runnin' all round my brain*. He mentioned Miami Vice and Scarface. I would add Cocaine Cowboys, a documentary. Wow, that place was flooded with so much cash! The Miami FED had more money than all the rest. The Cocaine Cowboys would buy expensive cars and airplanes like most Americans buy toilet paper.

    .

    * It takes a clear mind to ___ke it. It takes a clear mind to take it, or a clear mind NOT to take it? It takes a clear mind to MAKE it. Haha, what's so funny?

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Hail

    [Steve Sailer’s] latest Takimag column: What’s the Matter With Economists?.

    Here is my own general comment on what Sailer was driving at, or alluding to, with that column-commentary:

    Thinking more about Steve’s critique of this study, I think the lesson can be summarized as:

    We have accumulated something of a broad, deep, and implicit bias today against Whites and against the the NW-European population-stock in particular.

    This creates a mix of blindspots, taboos, and doublethink which can powerfully self-perpetuate while nevertheless being off-base. This force will lead to decline and can easily lead to anti-white manias (see: peak moments in Wokeness), and it goes without saying that it will lead towards implicit historical negationism of White NW-European achievement, virtues, strengths.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Hail

    I'd read many comments in that thread yesterday, Mr. Hail, but I read yours and some more thing morning. Anti-Gnostic was great, as usual, and AnotherDad was on fire there.

    What you wrote is something that demonstrates that these very Economists are simply adhering to the laws of Supply & Demand. Were they to write a paper on, say, I dunno, a significant increase in the death of black people by 2 modes due to the rise of BLM violence and the GFOD event, the demand for that is artificially held low so that the price in accolades and tenure would be very low. These Economists have been incentivized to write poorly about stupid shit, as the demand for that is high.

    What is that term again, ... anyone... anyone... Sailer?

    BTW, someone should tell Mr. Sailer that South Carolina has 5 topographic regions, if you get down to it, and 2 of them - approx. 1/3 of the State - are the Piedmont and the mountains. Yes, no San Gorgonios or Whitnies, but mountains nonetheless, of the sort that if you jump off, you HAVE to die.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  • @res
    @Almost Missouri

    Thanks for the thought. I am distracted by some other things and a bit behind even reading (as you can see from the lag).

    Still no word from Germ Theory since 10/29 though, right?

    P.S. You have been posting even more good comments than usual. Thanks.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Hail

    Still no word from Germ Theory since 10/29

    The matter of Germ’s brother’s decline, cited by MEH 0910, is the most likely reason for his one week’s absence.

    We wonder, What is his view on the Mamdani election?

  • @kaganovitch
    @Almost Missouri


    Yeah, six days absence from a forum wouldn’t be cause for concern for a commenter who wasn’t regularly encountering violent homeless people and mass shooters.
     
    I seem to recall him saying his brother was gravely ill...

    Replies: @MEH 0910

    I seem to recall him saying his brother was gravely ill…

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/isteve-open-thread-10/#comment-7281651 (#1392)

    The Germ Theory of Disease says:
    August 31, 2025 at 11:24 pm GMT • 2.2 months ago
    […]
    I have to apologize for being a bit of a bit, lately: there are some dreadful things going on in the local, my older brother is kinda-sorta dying of a rare neurological disorder, and that’s not even the worst of it. But it sort of is for me, because he was my mentor in all sorts of ways, we made hilarious weird tape-deck sketch comedy together when we weren’t even ten yet, we made a “Billy Jack” parody on Super 8 before even the latest real “Billy Jack” parody of itself had even been released. Watching him slip away is kind of tearing me apart. I don’t know what I’m gonna do. But thankfully we do have a really strong family, so there’s always that.

    • Thanks: Hail
  • @Pericles
    @Achmed E. Newman

    If Mamdani really is a muslim communist, does that mean NYC has become the last redoubt of the Baath Party? (Anyone remember those guys? Secularist regimes patiently eradicated one by one and replaced by Islamists?)

    Replies: @Hail

    The “thing” about Mamdani is:

    He is a South Asian, of (something like) transnational-diasporic-elite origin, with extremely shallow ties to the United States.

    The Mamdani family, afacit, has no meaningful ties to the US before the 2000s (!). (Although with transnational-diasporic elites like that, in the post-1970s USA, there are always some sort of distant cousins doing something, of which somehow the more clannish among us in the human race always seem to know well about.)

    How can you be a true ideologue in a country where you are a foreigner? Maybe it’s occasionally possible, in theory. But more likely it’s the typical m.o. of South Asians in politics, and similar fields, all over the world: It is some degree of cover for their skill at “talking their way into” things. Slogans don’t mean that much, sort of done to “rile up” people to himself as he games a system and talks his way into power. (See also: Vivek Ramaswamy; and actually a long list of others.)

    It’s not some amazing cosmic coincidence that these people happen to pop up as cool-outsider politicians who somehow walk into success all over the English-speaking world.

    In other words, it would mean something a lot more profound if he had around sixteen U.S.-born great-great-grandparents and was pushing “Socialism.” A figure like the French communist Jean-Luc Melenchon.

    The way Mamdani actually is — a non-American who does left-wing happy-talk people cheer over like some political equivalent of a sports team — I think people don’t take him very seriously as an ideologue per se. And that’s one way he came to embraced by the system and around 50% of NYC voters (far less, though, if counting actual Americans).

    • Thanks: Old Prude
    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Hail


    How can you be a true ideologue in a country where you are a foreigner?
     
    They have guys all over London preaching sharia and jihad. That's where New York is going after they ring fence a couple square miles around Wall Street. Democracy will give the people what they want good and hard.
    , @Hail
    @Hail


    The “thing” about Mamdani
     
    For unknown reasons, Steve Sailer has yet to make a general commentary on Mamdani.

    Replies: @Hail, @James B. Shearer, @Achmed E. Newman

  • @Hail
    @Hail


    [Polling two weeks before the election]

    New York mayor 2025:
    — Men: Mamdani +5
    — Women: Mamdani +15

    — Native-born: Cuomo +9
    — Foreign-born: Mamdani +38

    — Jews: Cuomo +33

    — Steve Sailer: Cuomo +100 (n=1) (inferred)
     

    The CNN exit poll has this, similar to the finding on Mamdani's decisive "foreign-born" support:

    __________

    [Exit Poll Q.] How long have you lived in NYC?

    Less than 5 years (7% of voters)
    -- 85% Mamdani

    5-10 years (8% of voters)
    -- 79% Mamdani

    More than 10 years but not native (37% of voters)
    -- 54% Mamdani

    Born in NYC (45% of voters)
    -- 38% Mamdani

    [3% of voters, No response]
    ___________

    If only those who'd lived in New York at least ten years (including those born in New York) had voted, Cuomo would probably have narrowly won. The exit poll's numbers have it at 46-46-8 for just the 10-year-or-more resident set. In such a close-heat, maybe even more Sliwa voters would've gone to Cuomo.

    Of course, if only Whites resident at least ten years had voted, it'd have been no contest and the non-American Sleek Smiley Muslim Candidate would've lost decisively.

    ___________

    Jews, according to the exit poll, went 63% for Cuomo against 33% for Mamdani.
    ___________

    A surprising (?) finding of the exit poll is that both Black males and Hispanic males went for Mamdani at a higher rate than the women of their same race. This is against the usual trend of females being more "Left"-voting. But the trend flips to the usual-expected pattern with Whites:

    % voting for Mamdani
    -- White males: 43%
    -- White females: 48% [+5]

    -- Black males: 60%
    -- Black females: 52% [-8]

    -- Latino males: 52%
    -- Latin females: 48% [-4]

    Still, these are not large gaps and may not even be real given sampling errors.
    ___________

    The biggest gap, besides length-of-residence and ties to the USA (previously mentioned), is: Age.

    White and Black support for Mamdani falls off a cliff above age 40 or 45. There is something like a 35-point gap between under-30s and over-45s.

    On the numbers, it wouldn't quite have been enough to defeat Mamdani if the voting-age were pegged to merely 25 rather than 18. But in practice it might have been enough as a good portion of the momentum would have disappeared.

    A stricter naturalization policy, needless to say, would've also kept Mamdani out. (Read that two ways if you wish.)

    Replies: @J.Ross, @epebble, @res, @Bardon Kaldian, @Mark G.

    A lot of solidly blue places went blue, the spook who should be prevented from seeking office as a spook won in the CIA’s home state, big surprise.
    —–
    Principleless, inside baseball point: Hugh Hewitt will be rightly crowing that if the mass murderer could’ve had the vigilante’s splinter, he would have routed the communist.
    —–
    We’re in the boring muddy times where we have to trudge through the process and trust the law talkers (and endure the screaming and lying of idiots). This wasn’t that big of a deal. Mamdani’s reliance on non-American voters also totally validates everything we have been saying.
    —–
    The GOP will have to acknowledge that young people have legitimate property greivances no matter how much it hurts their millionaire feelings or the Democrats will drive a truck through that hole.

    • Thanks: Hail
  • Lomez (Steve Sailer’s publisher and now publicity-man) and alleged pro-White activist Chris Rufo are “starting a weekly show with the Blaze this Friday.”

    • Replies: @Corpse Tooth
    @Hail

    And do something useful like engaging in arcane conservo arguments with other eccentrics online.

    , @Hail
    @Hail

    The Blaze's promo video for the Rufo & Lomez show:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MqkuCYnQ68


    "I think America has, for the first time in modern memory, a right-wing counter-culture."
     
    That line is from Ross Douthat, shown in the video. He is speaking about Lomez and Christopher Rufo (caveat: the latter has long been an activist for increasing the rate of Asian success in the name of fairness; so "right-wing" is, these days, far from necessarily "pro-White").

    Chances that this well-funded effort will pay for a round-trip Uber to take Steve Sailer to their studio and have him talk about his views on all things on the air, before the year 2025 is out: HIGH.

    Replies: @Hail

  • @Hail
    @Achmed E. Newman

    New York mayor 2025:
    -- Men: Mamdani +5
    -- Women: Mamdani +15

    -- Native-born: Cuomo +9
    -- Foreign-born: Mamdani +38

    -- Jews: Cuomo +33

    -- Steve Sailer: Cuomo +100 (n=1) (inferred)
    _________

    What about Whites of European-Christian origin with non-trivial US ties and zero dual-citizen relatives? (Do those people have the franchise in New York City today?)

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Hail

    [Polling two weeks before the election]

    New York mayor 2025:
    — Men: Mamdani +5
    — Women: Mamdani +15

    — Native-born: Cuomo +9
    — Foreign-born: Mamdani +38

    — Jews: Cuomo +33

    — Steve Sailer: Cuomo +100 (n=1) (inferred)

    The CNN exit poll has this, similar to the finding on Mamdani’s decisive “foreign-born” support:

    __________

    [Exit Poll Q.] How long have you lived in NYC?

    Less than 5 years (7% of voters)
    — 85% Mamdani

    5-10 years (8% of voters)
    — 79% Mamdani

    More than 10 years but not native (37% of voters)
    — 54% Mamdani

    Born in NYC (45% of voters)
    — 38% Mamdani

    [3% of voters, No response]
    ___________

    If only those who’d lived in New York at least ten years (including those born in New York) had voted, Cuomo would probably have narrowly won. The exit poll’s numbers have it at 46-46-8 for just the 10-year-or-more resident set. In such a close-heat, maybe even more Sliwa voters would’ve gone to Cuomo.

    Of course, if only Whites resident at least ten years had voted, it’d have been no contest and the non-American Sleek Smiley Muslim Candidate would’ve lost decisively.

    ___________

    Jews, according to the exit poll, went 63% for Cuomo against 33% for Mamdani.
    ___________

    A surprising (?) finding of the exit poll is that both Black males and Hispanic males went for Mamdani at a higher rate than the women of their same race. This is against the usual trend of females being more “Left”-voting. But the trend flips to the usual-expected pattern with Whites:

    % voting for Mamdani
    — White males: 43%
    — White females: 48% [+5]

    — Black males: 60%
    — Black females: 52% [-8]

    — Latino males: 52%
    — Latin females: 48% [-4]

    Still, these are not large gaps and may not even be real given sampling errors.
    ___________

    The biggest gap, besides length-of-residence and ties to the USA (previously mentioned), is: Age.

    White and Black support for Mamdani falls off a cliff above age 40 or 45. There is something like a 35-point gap between under-30s and over-45s.

    On the numbers, it wouldn’t quite have been enough to defeat Mamdani if the voting-age were pegged to merely 25 rather than 18. But in practice it might have been enough as a good portion of the momentum would have disappeared.

    A stricter naturalization policy, needless to say, would’ve also kept Mamdani out. (Read that two ways if you wish.)

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Hail

    A lot of solidly blue places went blue, the spook who should be prevented from seeking office as a spook won in the CIA's home state, big surprise.
    -----
    Principleless, inside baseball point: Hugh Hewitt will be rightly crowing that if the mass murderer could've had the vigilante's splinter, he would have routed the communist.
    -----
    We're in the boring muddy times where we have to trudge through the process and trust the law talkers (and endure the screaming and lying of idiots). This wasn't that big of a deal. Mamdani's reliance on non-American voters also totally validates everything we have been saying.
    -----
    The GOP will have to acknowledge that young people have legitimate property greivances no matter how much it hurts their millionaire feelings or the Democrats will drive a truck through that hole.

    , @epebble
    @Hail

    There is something like a 35-point gap between under-30s and over-45s.

    People born in 20th and 21st Centuries are living in two different countries. Make it two different universes. In future elections, this division will submerge other divisions. Just two news items I saw today:

    America's first-time homebuyers are disappearing. That's bad news for real estate.
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/realestate/ar-AA1PQoq6

    On the frontline of America’s car repossession boom
    Number of seized vehicles at 14-year high as more US drivers struggle to pay off auto loans
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/11/05/on-the-frontline-of-americas-car-repossession-boom/

    The 21st century born will hold on to any straw (candidate) hoping it is a lifeboat.

    , @res
    @Hail

    0.07 * 0.85 + 0.08 * 0.79 + 0.37 * 0.54 + 0.45 * 0.38 = 0.4935
    So I guess that is plausible.

    Amazing how much difference 15% of the voters can make if they block vote.

    The age and education crosstabs at your link are interesting.

    Do you think Sliwa cost Cuomo the election?

    Replies: @Hail

    , @Bardon Kaldian
    @Hail

    Isn't NYC socio-political intelligence overrated? As well as its financial & global cultural stability & influence?

    It would be perhaps good for the US that NYC enters into a period of real, not just superficial decline.

    Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    , @Mark G.
    @Hail

    Mamdani probably won the New York mayor election when there was a primary debate and all the candidates were asked which country they would visit first. They all answered Israel except for Mamdani. He said he would stay in New York and work on the problems there.

    The Democrats won some other victories at the same time Mamdani did. The response of J.D. Vance to this was that Republicans need to start focusing on domestic problems. I would agree with that. Voters did not vote for Trump because they wanted wars with Russia, Iran, Venezuela, Nigeria or any other country. They were looking for a peace and prosperity candidate.

    Replies: @epebble

  • @Mr. Anon
    @Hail


    Fully aware of The Project for New American Century. And the letter they wrote to Clinton calling for overthrow of Saddam. We chose to acknowledge the pre-meditated nature of the invasion of Iraq through the energy commission and the maps of Iraqi oil fields…
     
    That is totally disingenuous. PNAC members didn't just write a letter to Clinton. They staffed the Bush/Cheney administration in key roles at the Pentagon and in the Vice President's office. It was they and their allies that lobbied, cajoled, misrepresented, and lied for the invasion of Iraq right up through 2003 and beyond.

    What McKay is really saying is that he is a coward and a liar.

    Replies: @Hail

    Saying “it was just a letter a few people wrote” completely misses the point, of course.

    The most charitable thing to say about person who’d say that: He doesn’t understand ideology generally, how “movements” work, influence-networks, political theory, international-relations theory, the foreign-policy elite, and the Israel Lobby and Jewish power generally, and the “intersections” of those things with the Republican Party in/by the 1990s, and with the Dubya Bush people.

    There is a great superabundance of “McKays” out there. What’s interesting here is late-2010s Steve Sailer was saying “Hey, McKay, you’re wrong or you’re lying!”

  • @Hail
    @Hail

    Who was responsible for the Iraq war of 2003?

    Sailer-Substack discussion highlight:


    Erik:

    [Steve Sailer's] flaccid innuendo based argument that the great error of American foreign policy was ultimately because of the Jews is unconvincing to me.[...] The reason a handful of Jewish neocons wanted Saddam taken out was not mysterious. They believed the weapons of mass destruction thing and also didn't want America to fade away as the global hegemon.

    Ultimately it was all psychological. We won the cold war. There was no big threat and a lot of sensible people wanted to cut the military down and focus on making life great for Americans. Some people couldn't deal with that. It's obvious that if America had done so, eventually (like way eventually) some other country would rise to fill the vacuum and some people fret over things like that even if they are 50 or 100 years away.

    The letter to Clinton about invading Iraq was purely because they perceived Saddam as defying us on the terms of agreement to end the first gulf war.
     


    The Anti-Gnostic:

    Large Jewish presence in neoconservatism. It's like the Frankfurt school of the American Right. But I also recall the Iraq Wars were more motivated by this religious desire to have pluralistic secular democracy in the Middle East which as you observe will never work.

    There is a straight line from the Bush and Obama administrations reaching all the way into the present with the installation of the bizarrely retrograde "President" of Syria, who's now the toast of the town.
     


    Erik:

    There is a strange belief/delusion shared by the right and left that in the absence of some outside force actively preventing it, all cultures around the world would naturally adopt Western enlightenment values and forms of government.
     


    SJ:

    That form of Utopianism seems to be the unique contribution of the formerly Trotskyist intellectual Jews who became the first neocons, although it has some similarity with Wilsonian democracy.
     


    The Anti-Gnostic:

    From my perspective, the West seems engaged in a frantic struggle to prove the Enlightenment was right and Erik Voegelin and Carl Schmitt were wrong.
     


    The Last Real Calvinist:

    It goes all the way back to the Garden of Eden -- 'You shall be as gods'.

    The desire for some substantial proportion of humanity to rebel against their Creator by trying to usurp His plan of salvation -- i.e. to decide that *they* can just go ahead and save the world [...]
     

    ____________

    On the change in public figures evident since Cheney's 1970s--2000s career and these current 2020s:


    The Anti-Gnostic:

    Cheney was also among the last of the professional political class that I thought of as "over my head," so to speak. I may have disagreed with Rumsfeld or Cheney, but they seemed like magisterial individuals who merited Cabinet posts. Savvy, decisive, big-picture managers. Same for the very sharp individuals in the Reagan administration.

    Clinton had some notables, with the traditional WASPy or WASP-adjacent ties to BigLaw or BigBank.

    It's been downhill since and now I think most public figures are performative or downright dim. [...]
     

    The midpoint of Cheney's career, between first major position (White House deputy chief of staff, Dec 1974) and last major position (vice president, to 11:59pm, Jan 20, 2009):

    Around New Year's Day 1991.

    The Donald Trump Board Game had just been released (in stores for Christmas 1990? Or was it a year earlier?).

    Replies: @Hail

    rry, that should be “around New Year’s Day 1992”; and “to 11:59 AM” on the Obama inauguration day in 2009.

    But we could easily also extend Cheney’s public career to late 1969, when, according to wiki, Rumsfeld first hired him as a junior person in Washington. That gives us a 39-year span for Cheney in a public career in or around government, from earliest-entry to last-exit (though with intervening time in the private sector).

    By that count, the chronological midpoint of Dick Cheney’s career would be about the spring of 1989, pre-Fall of Communism.

    But by still another count, if we omit from the calculation the years Cheney was out of government and in the private sector, we’d have to say:

    The chronological midpoint of Dick Cheney’s career was in the mid-1980s.

    And then there he comes on the scene in 2000-2001, entering the ‘Dubya’ Bush White House, turning age 60 ten days after the inauguration. Sixty: an age at which men no longer much change and in many cases can lose the courage for self-introspection; an age at which, in other words, a man can become “committed to the past.” (The Israel Lobby people will have liked Cold War-holdover Cheney very much, as it gave them cover.)

    A possible extension of the Dick Cheney political career is through the political career of his daughter, Liz Cheney, who entered the scene in the mid-2010s. ]

    Liz Cheney was in Congress three terms, famously losing renomination in 2022 for supporting the Trump impeachment and other such things, which exactly follows what her father was saying and would have done. The same goes for both Cheneys endorsing Kamala in 2024, with Liz Cheney even campaigning for her. I believe Liz Cheney became a fixture on MSNBC by some point, not sure when but certainly so in the 2020s.

  • @Hail
    @kaganovitch

    Steve's comments on the death of Dick Cheney are a great example of some of his former positions ("Classic Sailer").

    He bashes "neocons" (a term I don't recall him using much lately) but doesn't stop in there: He says Israel and its Lobby were a/the(?) cause of the foolish adventurist-interventions associated with Cheney and the wider era; AND he says a Hollywood conspiracy of silence shields Jews , in the movie's case claiming they were innocent victims blindsided, shocked by Bald Man Bad warmongering.

    None of that is, however, from 2025-Sailer. He quoting himself writing sometime around the turn of the year 2018-19 about a Cheney movie by someone called McKay:


    McKay utterly bypasses the one interesting mystery still surrounding Dick Cheney’s career: What happened in the 1990s following Cheney’s impressive performance as George H.W. Bush’s Secretary of Defense that then led to his disastrous years as George W. Bush’s veep? Why did the man who prudently sided with GHWB to not go to Baghdad in 1991 fanatically encourage GWB to go to Baghdad in 2003?

    McKay never even raises this question.
     


    And, as far as I can recall, McKay doesn’t even mention the word “neoconservative” in his movie, even though both Mr. and Mrs. Cheney were affiliated with the neocon American Enterprise Institute from 1993.

    AEI had long been a worthy but dull advocate of Chamber of Commerce conservatism, delivering many a comprehensive study of worker’s-comp reform. But it discovered that there was more donor money in agitating for war with Israel’s enemies. Over the course of the 1990s, neocons at AEI and elsewhere became obsessed with taking out Saddam.

    On Twitter on Sunday, McKay defended his plot, saying he’d substituted big oil for the neocons:


    Fully aware of The Project for New American Century. And the letter they wrote to Clinton calling for overthrow of Saddam. We chose to acknowledge the pre-meditated nature of the invasion of Iraq through the energy commission and the maps of Iraqi oil fields…
     
    But, in reality, the oil companies weren’t terribly enthusiastic for the Iraq War before it happened and didn’t profit much from it later. Instead of No War for Oil, we got War for No Oil.

    But for the preservation of one’s Hollywood career, it’s better to blame the energy industry. This might explain an otherwise puzzling speech in Vice in which McKay implies that Israel, like France and Germany, was against the war.
     

    Yes, Classic Sailer commentary. If you delve back into the archives in the 2000s, the commentary is quite steadily like this.

    Replies: @Hail, @Mr. Anon, @Hypnotoad666

    Who was responsible for the Iraq war of 2003?

    Sailer-Substack discussion highlight:

    Erik:

    [Steve Sailer’s] flaccid innuendo based argument that the great error of American foreign policy was ultimately because of the Jews is unconvincing to me.[…] The reason a handful of Jewish neocons wanted Saddam taken out was not mysterious. They believed the weapons of mass destruction thing and also didn’t want America to fade away as the global hegemon.

    Ultimately it was all psychological. We won the cold war. There was no big threat and a lot of sensible people wanted to cut the military down and focus on making life great for Americans. Some people couldn’t deal with that. It’s obvious that if America had done so, eventually (like way eventually) some other country would rise to fill the vacuum and some people fret over things like that even if they are 50 or 100 years away.

    The letter to Clinton about invading Iraq was purely because they perceived Saddam as defying us on the terms of agreement to end the first gulf war.

    The Anti-Gnostic:

    Large Jewish presence in neoconservatism. It’s like the Frankfurt school of the American Right. But I also recall the Iraq Wars were more motivated by this religious desire to have pluralistic secular democracy in the Middle East which as you observe will never work.

    There is a straight line from the Bush and Obama administrations reaching all the way into the present with the installation of the bizarrely retrograde “President” of Syria, who’s now the toast of the town.

    Erik:

    There is a strange belief/delusion shared by the right and left that in the absence of some outside force actively preventing it, all cultures around the world would naturally adopt Western enlightenment values and forms of government.

    SJ:

    That form of Utopianism seems to be the unique contribution of the formerly Trotskyist intellectual Jews who became the first neocons, although it has some similarity with Wilsonian democracy.

    The Anti-Gnostic:

    From my perspective, the West seems engaged in a frantic struggle to prove the Enlightenment was right and Erik Voegelin and Carl Schmitt were wrong.

    The Last Real Calvinist:

    It goes all the way back to the Garden of Eden — ‘You shall be as gods’.

    The desire for some substantial proportion of humanity to rebel against their Creator by trying to usurp His plan of salvation — i.e. to decide that *they* can just go ahead and save the world […]

    ____________

    On the change in public figures evident since Cheney’s 1970s–2000s career and these current 2020s:

    The Anti-Gnostic:

    Cheney was also among the last of the professional political class that I thought of as “over my head,” so to speak. I may have disagreed with Rumsfeld or Cheney, but they seemed like magisterial individuals who merited Cabinet posts. Savvy, decisive, big-picture managers. Same for the very sharp individuals in the Reagan administration.

    Clinton had some notables, with the traditional WASPy or WASP-adjacent ties to BigLaw or BigBank.

    It’s been downhill since and now I think most public figures are performative or downright dim. […]

    The midpoint of Cheney’s career, between first major position (White House deputy chief of staff, Dec 1974) and last major position (vice president, to 11:59pm, Jan 20, 2009):

    Around New Year’s Day 1991.

    The Donald Trump Board Game had just been released (in stores for Christmas 1990? Or was it a year earlier?).

    • Replies: @Hail
    @Hail

    rry, that should be "around New Year's Day 1992"; and "to 11:59 AM" on the Obama inauguration day in 2009.

    But we could easily also extend Cheney's public career to late 1969, when, according to wiki, Rumsfeld first hired him as a junior person in Washington. That gives us a 39-year span for Cheney in a public career in or around government, from earliest-entry to last-exit (though with intervening time in the private sector).

    By that count, the chronological midpoint of Dick Cheney's career would be about the spring of 1989, pre-Fall of Communism.

    But by still another count, if we omit from the calculation the years Cheney was out of government and in the private sector, we'd have to say:

    The chronological midpoint of Dick Cheney's career was in the mid-1980s.

    And then there he comes on the scene in 2000-2001, entering the 'Dubya' Bush White House, turning age 60 ten days after the inauguration. Sixty: an age at which men no longer much change and in many cases can lose the courage for self-introspection; an age at which, in other words, a man can become "committed to the past." (The Israel Lobby people will have liked Cold War-holdover Cheney very much, as it gave them cover.)

    A possible extension of the Dick Cheney political career is through the political career of his daughter, Liz Cheney, who entered the scene in the mid-2010s. ]

    Liz Cheney was in Congress three terms, famously losing renomination in 2022 for supporting the Trump impeachment and other such things, which exactly follows what her father was saying and would have done. The same goes for both Cheneys endorsing Kamala in 2024, with Liz Cheney even campaigning for her. I believe Liz Cheney became a fixture on MSNBC by some point, not sure when but certainly so in the 2020s.

  • @epebble
    @Hail

    What is so controversial about it? Taylor Swift has been performing in packed stadiums wearing almost nothing for years.

    I don't want to post porn pix. Here are the links:

    https://www.bustle.com/style/taylor-swift-bedazzled-naked-dress-life-of-a-showgirl-cover

    https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/music/articles/taylor-swift-life-showgirl-costume-224754560.html

    Replies: @Hail

    It’s possible what was so controversial about the “pornographic outfit” is that Sydney Sweeney was being cast as innocent. So there is a subtext in some of this commentary that is not about the clothes per se.

    As Pericles mentioned in another comment, in 2015-16 Taylor Swift was being cast in the exact same way: a secretly pro-Trump-2016, deport-the-migrants, pro-White-family person. The USA has needed such symbols for a long time, and so far in this century has increasingly felt their absence. The casting of Taylor Swift ten years ago as a pro-Trump, pro-White, pro-Family girl was always wishful thinking, but it wasn’t random.

    See: Sydney Sweeney biographic-timeline.

    For casting into such as a role as I describe there, Sweeney is probably less-qualified and less-suited overall than was Taylor Swift ten years ago.

    – Taylor Swift: born Dec 1989.
    – Sydney Sweeney: born Sept 1997.

    Taylor Swift was a child in the 1990s and grew into a young woman in the 2000s. Sydney Sweeney was a child in the 2000s and grew into a young woman in the 2010s. There are probably many important differences between them other than their ages. It does seem the late-2000s-to-mid-2010s was worse, as a formative-period for a White woman in the USA, than the late-1990s-to-mid-2000s.

    – Taylor Swift 6th birthday: Dec 1995
    – Taylor Swift 19th birthday: Dec 2008

    – Sydney Sweeney 6th birthday: Sept 2003
    – Sydney Sweeney 19th birthday: Sept 2016

  • @kaganovitch
    @Mark G.


    That, along with his opposition to high levels of immigration, shows that at one time he really did oppose the “invade the world/ invite the world” policies of the political establishment.
     
    In that vein, see his obituary on Dick Cheney today
    https://www.stevesailer.net/p/dick-cheney-rip

    Replies: @Corpse Tooth, @Buzz Mohawk, @Hail

    Steve’s comments on the death of Dick Cheney are a great example of some of his former positions (“Classic Sailer”).

    He bashes “neocons” (a term I don’t recall him using much lately) but doesn’t stop in there: He says Israel and its Lobby were a/the(?) cause of the foolish adventurist-interventions associated with Cheney and the wider era; AND he says a Hollywood conspiracy of silence shields Jews , in the movie’s case claiming they were innocent victims blindsided, shocked by Bald Man Bad warmongering.

    None of that is, however, from 2025-Sailer. He quoting himself writing sometime around the turn of the year 2018-19 about a Cheney movie by someone called McKay:

    McKay utterly bypasses the one interesting mystery still surrounding Dick Cheney’s career: What happened in the 1990s following Cheney’s impressive performance as George H.W. Bush’s Secretary of Defense that then led to his disastrous years as George W. Bush’s veep? Why did the man who prudently sided with GHWB to not go to Baghdad in 1991 fanatically encourage GWB to go to Baghdad in 2003?

    McKay never even raises this question.

    And, as far as I can recall, McKay doesn’t even mention the word “neoconservative” in his movie, even though both Mr. and Mrs. Cheney were affiliated with the neocon American Enterprise Institute from 1993.

    AEI had long been a worthy but dull advocate of Chamber of Commerce conservatism, delivering many a comprehensive study of worker’s-comp reform. But it discovered that there was more donor money in agitating for war with Israel’s enemies. Over the course of the 1990s, neocons at AEI and elsewhere became obsessed with taking out Saddam.

    On Twitter on Sunday, McKay defended his plot, saying he’d substituted big oil for the neocons:

    Fully aware of The Project for New American Century. And the letter they wrote to Clinton calling for overthrow of Saddam. We chose to acknowledge the pre-meditated nature of the invasion of Iraq through the energy commission and the maps of Iraqi oil fields…

    But, in reality, the oil companies weren’t terribly enthusiastic for the Iraq War before it happened and didn’t profit much from it later. Instead of No War for Oil, we got War for No Oil.

    But for the preservation of one’s Hollywood career, it’s better to blame the energy industry. This might explain an otherwise puzzling speech in Vice in which McKay implies that Israel, like France and Germany, was against the war.

    Yes, Classic Sailer commentary. If you delve back into the archives in the 2000s, the commentary is quite steadily like this.

    • Thanks: Mark G., Adam Smith
    • Replies: @Hail
    @Hail

    Who was responsible for the Iraq war of 2003?

    Sailer-Substack discussion highlight:


    Erik:

    [Steve Sailer's] flaccid innuendo based argument that the great error of American foreign policy was ultimately because of the Jews is unconvincing to me.[...] The reason a handful of Jewish neocons wanted Saddam taken out was not mysterious. They believed the weapons of mass destruction thing and also didn't want America to fade away as the global hegemon.

    Ultimately it was all psychological. We won the cold war. There was no big threat and a lot of sensible people wanted to cut the military down and focus on making life great for Americans. Some people couldn't deal with that. It's obvious that if America had done so, eventually (like way eventually) some other country would rise to fill the vacuum and some people fret over things like that even if they are 50 or 100 years away.

    The letter to Clinton about invading Iraq was purely because they perceived Saddam as defying us on the terms of agreement to end the first gulf war.
     


    The Anti-Gnostic:

    Large Jewish presence in neoconservatism. It's like the Frankfurt school of the American Right. But I also recall the Iraq Wars were more motivated by this religious desire to have pluralistic secular democracy in the Middle East which as you observe will never work.

    There is a straight line from the Bush and Obama administrations reaching all the way into the present with the installation of the bizarrely retrograde "President" of Syria, who's now the toast of the town.
     


    Erik:

    There is a strange belief/delusion shared by the right and left that in the absence of some outside force actively preventing it, all cultures around the world would naturally adopt Western enlightenment values and forms of government.
     


    SJ:

    That form of Utopianism seems to be the unique contribution of the formerly Trotskyist intellectual Jews who became the first neocons, although it has some similarity with Wilsonian democracy.
     


    The Anti-Gnostic:

    From my perspective, the West seems engaged in a frantic struggle to prove the Enlightenment was right and Erik Voegelin and Carl Schmitt were wrong.
     


    The Last Real Calvinist:

    It goes all the way back to the Garden of Eden -- 'You shall be as gods'.

    The desire for some substantial proportion of humanity to rebel against their Creator by trying to usurp His plan of salvation -- i.e. to decide that *they* can just go ahead and save the world [...]
     

    ____________

    On the change in public figures evident since Cheney's 1970s--2000s career and these current 2020s:


    The Anti-Gnostic:

    Cheney was also among the last of the professional political class that I thought of as "over my head," so to speak. I may have disagreed with Rumsfeld or Cheney, but they seemed like magisterial individuals who merited Cabinet posts. Savvy, decisive, big-picture managers. Same for the very sharp individuals in the Reagan administration.

    Clinton had some notables, with the traditional WASPy or WASP-adjacent ties to BigLaw or BigBank.

    It's been downhill since and now I think most public figures are performative or downright dim. [...]
     

    The midpoint of Cheney's career, between first major position (White House deputy chief of staff, Dec 1974) and last major position (vice president, to 11:59pm, Jan 20, 2009):

    Around New Year's Day 1991.

    The Donald Trump Board Game had just been released (in stores for Christmas 1990? Or was it a year earlier?).

    Replies: @Hail

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Hail


    Fully aware of The Project for New American Century. And the letter they wrote to Clinton calling for overthrow of Saddam. We chose to acknowledge the pre-meditated nature of the invasion of Iraq through the energy commission and the maps of Iraqi oil fields…
     
    That is totally disingenuous. PNAC members didn't just write a letter to Clinton. They staffed the Bush/Cheney administration in key roles at the Pentagon and in the Vice President's office. It was they and their allies that lobbied, cajoled, misrepresented, and lied for the invasion of Iraq right up through 2003 and beyond.

    What McKay is really saying is that he is a coward and a liar.

    Replies: @Hail

    , @Hypnotoad666
    @Hail


    But for the preservation of one’s Hollywood career, it’s better to blame the energy industry. This might explain an otherwise puzzling speech in Vice in which McKay implies that Israel, like France and Germany, was against the war.
     
    Whoa! Why is Respectable 2025 Steve "platforming" this Groyper 2019 Steve? This seems highly Anti-Semitic. I expect The Task Force to Combat Anti-Semitism will now require Steve to denounce and deplatform himself.

    They'd probably cut him some slack if they knew he was Jewish. But if 2025 Steve does need to self-denounce, he can use the same template used by the Heritage guy who was denounced for failing to denounce Tucker for not denouncing Fuentes:


    [2025 Steve] also said that he was not familiar with [2019 Steve]’s views when he posted . . . “I didn’t know much about this [2019 Steve] guy. I still don’t, which underscores the mistake,” . . . . <a href='https://www.nationalreview.com/news/heritage-president-apologizes-for-tucker-carlson-defense-video-in-heated-all-hands-meeting/
     
    ' title='https://www.nationalreview.com/news/heritage-president-apologizes-for-tucker-carlson-defense-video-in-heated-all-hands-meeting/
     ' >https://www.nationalreview.com/news/heritage-president-apologizes-for-tucker-carlson-defense-video-in-heated-all-hands-meeting/
     

    Incidentally, the Heritage guy's worst crime was apparently that he troped.


    He did, however, apologize to Heritage’s Jewish staffers for using the term “venomous coalition” to describe Carlson’s critics, saying that he was not consciously employing an antisemitic trope.

    “The term ‘venomous coalition,’ a terrible choice of words, especially for our Jewish colleagues and friends who understand that, given history, to be a trope used against them. And I very sincerely — very, very, sincerely — apologize to you in particular, and to all of you for using that. It was not my intention to use a trope. I should have been better,” he said.
     

    Personally, it seems to me that it should be worse to independently conclude that Jews are a "venomous coalition" rather than just relying on the general consensus of society (i.e., the trope). But I suppose the humiliation rituals applicable to non-performing Shabbos Goy have their own Talmudic logic or something.

    Anyway . . . Fuentes gave an interesting name-check to Steve in his monologue again. While telling his supporters that they need to infiltrate the institutions while hiding their true beliefs he cites "Steve Sailer," "Joe Lonsdale," and "Chris Buskirk" (the last two guys I never heard of) as good examples of the type of masks you need to wear to pretend to be a card-carrying member of Conservatism, Inc. (Also, choice words for the new Lomez and Chris Rufo show being rolled out to appeal to Gen Z, Curtis Yarvin and assorted others).

    https://rumble.com/v718mss-america-first-ep.-1591.html?start=11946

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  • @Hail
    @Achmed E. Newman


    The last century probably, and maybe you could go back a lot longer, was a fine time for [Americans abroad]...because the US $ has been KING.
     
    Your point on the Strong Dollar is good, Mr Newman.

    Let me add some other factors, many intangible:

    -Goodwill towards White-Western people generally:
    -- "The market" (of global ordinary people) tends to recognize Westerners as a positive social-good who build and leave things better rather than seek to grab and take;
    -- Association with the Christian religion. (Not Muslim; not Jewish; nor provincial, closed, or secret religions.)
    -- Full-White Westerners being known to be core-formative members of the world's strongest and best civilization (not only "associated" with it).

    Goodwill towards White Americans in particular, in many eras, places, or contexts. This due to:
    -- Historic perceived magnanimity of Americans abroad, and
    -- Traditional neutrality in foreign policy (holding almost always and everywhere in the 19th century and holding mostly through the mid-20th century, with important overtones remaining to the end of the 20th century).
    -- Benefitting from various European imperial policies and scooping up the benefits of being White without the stigma of being seen as imperial. (This fades from relevance in the mid-20th century but was an important baseline in getting trends started.)

    Awe or respect for American power:
    -- -- Americans (and others from what were once called "the Powers") beingunderstood to be associated with a strong power which, while magnanimous, can also project its power and, if Americans are mistreated, the home-power can and will intervene.(which was true back during the Long 19th-century neutrality period, too) .

    All these things go a long way. While correlated in many sorts of ways with money, necessarily so, these things also transcend money. In other words, even a respectable White-Westerner with relatively minimal money can ride along on this prestige.

    Replies: @Hail

    (Edit-window cutoff)

    All these things can be seen in White-Christian missionaries (especially Protestant missionaries) active in many parts of the world in the 19th and 20th centuries.

    They have enjoyed great prestige. But how? It’s not because of money they themselves flash around and spend. Mission-efforts and protocols differed but many of them outright didn’t have much money to work with, and lived in humble circumstances.

    Missionaries with more money would not spend it setting up miniature Mar-a-Lagos.

    What White-Christian missionaries would do, given extra money/resources, is funnel it into pro-social projects for local people, basically; and maybe such things as scholarship about local history, cultures, languages. This is shocking to many low-trust people out there, as they know their own people would generally not do such things.

  • @Achmed E. Newman
    @epebble

    I beg to strongly differ on the financial situation for ex-pats, Mr. ePebble. The last century probably, and maybe you could go back a lot longer, was a fine time for these people, most especially single guys for "reasons" to live on the cheap in one of those Latin American countries, Thailand, Vietnam lately, I suppose, and some others I don't know about.

    That's because the US $ has been KING. Even a modest SS check, say $2,200 a month, may have you living in a place by the beach for a handful of hundreds a month, a girl to come clean the place for $10, some guy gets the laundry for a pittance, and so forth. Easy living, because you're living on the dollar not the local money.

    I even wrote to Fred Reed under his posts, that, beware, when the US $ goes down the toilet, as it is right now only slowly doing, instead of living like an American in Belize, you'll be living like a Belizian in Belize. YOU'LL be doing the laundry, maybe for someone else, and the girls doing the various "chores" won't come no more, that is, unless you've gotten better assets than dollars while the buck was still strong.

    So, SS check or not, it won't be the same easy living anymore in those Banana Republics. Hate to bother Mr. Mohawk here, but keep in mind, Buzz, that this one was written by the late great Steve Goodman:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaHy_Fs6iHg

    .

    Oh, I realize that Fred Reed lives in Mexico, but Belize was just a random example as were the dollar amounts I pulled out of my rear for this or that.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @epebble, @Hail

    The last century probably, and maybe you could go back a lot longer, was a fine time for [Americans abroad]…because the US $ has been KING.

    Your point on the Strong Dollar is good, Mr Newman.

    Let me add some other factors, many intangible:

    -Goodwill towards White-Western people generally:
    — “The market” (of global ordinary people) tends to recognize Westerners as a positive social-good who build and leave things better rather than seek to grab and take;
    — Association with the Christian religion. (Not Muslim; not Jewish; nor provincial, closed, or secret religions.)
    — Full-White Westerners being known to be core-formative members of the world’s strongest and best civilization (not only “associated” with it).

    Goodwill towards White Americans in particular, in many eras, places, or contexts. This due to:
    — Historic perceived magnanimity of Americans abroad, and
    — Traditional neutrality in foreign policy (holding almost always and everywhere in the 19th century and holding mostly through the mid-20th century, with important overtones remaining to the end of the 20th century).
    — Benefitting from various European imperial policies and scooping up the benefits of being White without the stigma of being seen as imperial. (This fades from relevance in the mid-20th century but was an important baseline in getting trends started.)

    Awe or respect for American power:
    — — Americans (and others from what were once called “the Powers”) beingunderstood to be associated with a strong power which, while magnanimous, can also project its power and, if Americans are mistreated, the home-power can and will intervene.(which was true back during the Long 19th-century neutrality period, too) .

    All these things go a long way. While correlated in many sorts of ways with money, necessarily so, these things also transcend money. In other words, even a respectable White-Westerner with relatively minimal money can ride along on this prestige.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @Hail
    @Hail

    (Edit-window cutoff)

    All these things can be seen in White-Christian missionaries (especially Protestant missionaries) active in many parts of the world in the 19th and 20th centuries.

    They have enjoyed great prestige. But how? It's not because of money they themselves flash around and spend. Mission-efforts and protocols differed but many of them outright didn't have much money to work with, and lived in humble circumstances.

    Missionaries with more money would not spend it setting up miniature Mar-a-Lagos.

    What White-Christian missionaries would do, given extra money/resources, is funnel it into pro-social projects for local people, basically; and maybe such things as scholarship about local history, cultures, languages. This is shocking to many low-trust people out there, as they know their own people would generally not do such things.

  • Steve Sailer asks if a trend of U.S. citizens moving to Mexico involves White Eat-Pray-Love women or Mexicans returning home. He declares the latter far preferable:

    (He is now experimenting with a “Read all the comments but only post comments if you are a paying member” model):

    MEXICO VS. POLAND
    Should gringas move to Mexico City or Warsaw?

    by Steve Sailer
    Nov 02, 2025

    [MORE]

    Mexico City was long a fashionable destination for American bohemian drug addicts and sexual deviants, until the U.S. became more accepting of their vices, after which Americans lost interest in Mexico. Probably the most famous Mexico City American expat ever is bisexual beat William Burroughs, heir to the Burroughs cash register fortune and author of Naked Lunch, who shot his wife to death in Mexico City in 1951 while cosplaying William Tell

    Poland is getting a fair number of native Poles coming home after long spells in countries like Britain, plus, I would imagine, a few people of Polish descent who were born abroad but have family in Poland. Why? Because Poland is prospering at present, and it looks like an orderly place to make a home.

    If Mexico is likewise getting lots of Mexican-Americans, the foreigners who know Mexico best, because it has now turned a corner like Poland has, that would be really good news.

    are they women who wouldn’t think twice about a Mexican-American guy in America, but have always wanted a Real Latin Lover like how Elizabeth Gilbert at the end of Eat, Pray, Love goes to Bali and somehow snags not a 115 pound Balinese Hindu gentleman, but instead Spanish superstar Javier Bardem

    https://www.stevesailer.net/p/mexico-vs-poland

    • Replies: @epebble
    @Hail

    While Sailer is navel gazing about these emigrants, I mentioned the NYT article to a coworker, and he surprised me by saying he may consider relocating abroad in retirement. I know he is not financially hurting or anything, but just desires to have a higher standard of living and enjoy being away from U.S. At a previous place I worked, I was similarly surprised by a guy planning to relocate to Costa Rica. That made me think - come 2034 when the Social Security Trust Fund runs out, when the retirees suddenly see their income shrink, many of them may decide to relocate to stretch their dollars. We may see quite a sizeable chunk of older Americans moving out. If that happens, that may have an impact on politics as the older people tend to be more conservative.

    Oh, BTW, the architect of America's decline just died. Rot in Hell, Dick.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

  • @Mark G.
    @Hail

    "Sailer denies his views have changed."

    I have been reading Steve's blog and commenting here for over a decade. There was a shift around 2022. Some commenters here see a change earlier than that with his support for Covid lockdowns and mass vaccinations, but that was common among those over sixty. They were frightened by the disease since they were the ones that might not survive it. For those under sixty, there was a 99.7% survival rate.

    The real change came with Steve's support of our proxy war against Russia in the Ukraine and his lack of interest in Israeli mistreatment of the Palestinians. He apparently decided his talking about things like the elites promoting "invade the world/invite the world" was keeping him from mainstream acceptance. The promotion of the idea that the biggest threat to average Americans are external threats from countries like Russia, China or Iran distracts them from the fact that the real biggest threat to them is internal, the corrupt parasitic elites running this country.

    Replies: @Hail

    Steve Sailer spoke favorably of the pro-Western Ukraine rebels who stormed Maidan Square in early 2014, with one hundred of their men killed in the melee but the bloodshed enough to break the will of the security forces in the moment, and the massacre radicalizing others to make moves to seize various arsenals, which were at real risk of falling in western Ukraine, and general civil war to begin. But the pro-Western rebels bold actions of the day largely settled the matter.

    Sailer was impressed by these events. He was, hereafter in 2014, sympathetic to the pro-Ukraine militias battling it out with the pro-Russia separatists. In that more-innocent year of 2014 (and into 2015 before the first general cease-fire), the professional-military elements generally didn’t drive events. There was something spontaneous, exciting, and interesting about the crisis — if only it had been brief and resolved amicably. War is such a bad idea because it tends to turn into the kind of cruel slog that the Ukraine War has now been for almost four years. You never know which way things will go, when you start a war. (@ Donald Trump and @ Pete Hegseth…)

    Pro-Russia voices like to back-date heavy U.S. involvement in Ukraine. But the deep- and public-politicization of the thing comes considerably after 2014. Sailer (being not privy to secret communications in the state Dept, or something) was just reacting to events of the moment and fulfilling his commentating duties.

    Few, I think, foresaw the tragedy of Ukraine that the next ten-plus years had in store. At that time, in 2014, the Ukraine political crisis that had begun in late 2013 looked a lot like many other political crises of post-1990 memory in Ukraine, and similar to others in other parts of Eastern Europe.

    One question I’d pose here, so many years later:

    What inspired Sailer’s pro-Ukraine views in 2014?

    Generally speaking, Americans had no particular strong opinions on Ukraine before 2014. I’ve suggested already, above, why Sailer may have gotten interested in the moment. It was exciting and the pro-West Ukrainians were easy to cast as the good guys, based on how things looked at the time. There was, in 2014, little or no real prospect of “U.S. involvement” in the crisis. So that element was absent.

    Another possibility: the rebels in Ukraine during that crisis were pro-Western, with a radical edge, the kind which, if in power in any Western country with “immigration” problems, would’ve taken all measures possible towards mass-deportation or even revocation of citizenships to local equivalents of your Ilhan Omars and such.

    The early militias were largely drawn from pro-Western groups with racialist attitudes, who’d say things like: Liberate Ukraine from Russia; and Liberate the West from Wokeness (to apply anachronistic labels on the thing).

    The kind of radical edge the Ukraine rebels of ca.2014 had was one which, Sailer may have felt, Western countries themselves would do well to have more of in the 1990s, 2000s, or 2010s.

    The lack of any kind of non-stigmatized White-racialist element in core-NATO Western Europe was a phenomenon U.S.-supervised and U.S.-enforced, to be honest. And because of that U.S.-enforced lack of an effective (or legally allowed) racialist element, the “immigration” problems were allowed to (encouraged to?) balloon out of control.

    In that reading, 2014-Ukraine’s cause was our cause. Granted that conditions in the early 2020s were not the conditions of the early 2010s, and the deep politicization of Ukraine within the U.S. in the years after 2014 may be said to fundamentally change things, and the Ukraine-Russia War of these last years is a “proxy war.” But in this comment I’ve cast things back to 2014 and not the more-recent unpleasantness.

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
    @Hail


    One question I’d pose here, so many years later:

    What inspired Sailer’s pro-Ukraine views in 2014?
     
    AFAIK, Steve has never departed from say, FOX News, when it comes to foreign policy. He doesn't seem to have any source of information outside of the mainstream and just toes the Deep State line on everything. I haven't read him forever, but if anyone has a counter-example from the olden days I'd be curious to see.

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @Dmon

    , @Greta Handel
    @Hail


    Pro-Russia voices like to back-date heavy U.S. involvement in Ukraine. But the deep- and public-politicization of the thing comes considerably after 2014. Sailer (being not privy to secret communications in the state Dept, or something) was just reacting to events of the moment and fulfilling his commentating duties.

    Few, I think, foresaw the tragedy of Ukraine that the next ten-plus years had in store. At that time, in 2014, the Ukraine political crisis that had begun in late 2013 looked a lot like many other political crises of post-1990 memory in Ukraine, and similar to others in other parts of Eastern Europe.
     

    This is, in two words, apologist bullshit.

    It took about 90 seconds to confirm that on December 9, 2014, for example, TUR published https://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/dont-risk-war-with-russia/, in which Phil Giraldi called it all out, front-to-back and side-to-side.

    Sailer brought his Noticing act here several months later and has been looking the other way when not rooting for Uncle Sam ever since.

    Replies: @Greta Handel

  • @Mr. Anon
    @Corvinus


    You and him agree that Vance marrying a Hindu is “anti-white” (whatever that means).
     
    There you go again, putting words in other people's mouths again. Neither Curle nor I said any such thing.

    Putting words in other people's mouths is also known as lying. You were lying.

    You are a liar. Why do you lie all the time?

    I stated that you are a deceitful sack of garbage. And you are.

    And you just reconfirmed it, you lying piece of s**t.

    Replies: @deep anonymous, @A123

    This site has a “Commenters to Ignore” feature. It is above #1 in each reply thread.

    I blocked Corvinus years ago for trolling. They/them have nothing to offer.

    PEACE 😇

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon, Mike Tre
    • Thanks: Hail
  • @Hail
    @Achmed E. Newman

    149 comments at Zero Hedge on the recent pro-VDare investigative article.

    Some of the top comments:


    Barron Trump:

    Don't know about Brimelow, but Kevin MacDonald and The Occidental Observer are UBER BASED.

    And I'll add Jared Taylor and American Renaissance too.
     


    Young Otis:

    Hey Tylers, instead of the Conservative, Inc. drivel from controlled-opposition globalist salad-tosser Victor Davis Hanson, how about some articles from Peter Brimelow?
     


    Delmar Jackson:

    Peter Brimlow and Vdare is great. I learned more about immigration from that site than the rest of the Internet and the mainstream media combined. I don't agree with everything all of their contributors wrote over the years, but then I don't agree with everything on National Public Radio either. Immigration is the national question. Demographics is permanent.
     

    Many commented that it was foolish of Brimelow to "incorporate" VDare in New York.

    I know PB has addressed this criticism in the past. I either never understood his explanation or didn't buy it somehow. But I can't remember what his reasons for incorporating in New York were, or his justifications after the fact (after the mortal wounding of VDare and ultimately is closure of operations in mid-2024). Anyone?

    Replies: @deep anonymous, @res

    My recollection of Brimelow’s explanation is a follows:

    VDare first was incorporated by an attorney friend (who may have been working pro bono) who was based in New York and practiced law there. Its incorporation as an educational non-profit corporation happened years before the TDS insanity and the explosion of Democratic lawfare, which at that time were inconceivable. The problem Brimelow and company did not foresee is that apparently, an educational non-profit corporation incorporated in New York cannot move its domicile to another state without the express permission of New York. So once Letitia James waddled into power, VDare was a sitting duck.

    According to Brimelow, several competent attorneys carefully set up the Castle deal, and all thought it was perfectly above board. (You probably will recall that VDare repeatedly had its conferences cancelled at the last minute when Democratic oriented groups (e.g. the SPLC and the rest of the anti-White hatred complex) threatened violence, and the managers of the facilities caved.) But pigbitch James issued a relentless and perpetual series of deeply intrusive subpoenas, claiming she was investigating self-dealing by the Brimelows. One of the purposes of the subpoenas was to pry open the identities of VDares donors and writers, most of whom were anonymous/pseudonymous. In any event, compliance with the onslaught basically depleted VDare’s coffers almost entirely, which was the whole point.

    I tend to believe Brimelow’s version. (I understand board contributor Nicholas Stix had a falling out with Brimelow and basically hates him. I know nothing about their beef and have no comment about it. Stix claims that Brimelow was dishonorable, at least to him, but as far as I know, he has been silent about the lawfare conducted against VDare by the NY AG Office.) The legal profession and, unfortunately, the courts (especially in New York) are hopelessly corrupted and cannot be depended upon to pursue anything resembling justice. The VDare case is a perfect example.

    • Thanks: MEH 0910, Hail, Adam Smith
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @deep anonymous

    Thank you, D.A. I was going to reply to Mr. Hail on this, but you've got more detail than I would have given him.

    That incorporating in NY State was done at a time, a quarter century ago, when Mr. Brimelow, and probably most of us, had quite a bit more trust in Rule-of-Law-not-fat-assed black skanks or men for that matter. He didn't expect what was coming.

    Along those lines, though, both because he's a straight arrow and that he was a financial guy (was on TV even, and in print as a financial journalist), Mr. Brimelow's done everything by the book as much as he can. Personally, during this lawfare attack - with no actual charges being filed till maybe this latest BS - I'd have gone in a different direction. I'd have stonewalled, told them I already sent this and that, inundated the office with calls, whatever, just royally fucked with the A/G of New York and her office. That's just me though ...

    BTW, Lydia Brimelow made this whole case in an interview by Tucker Carlson in February of '24. I could tell that she was hoping to get to some immigration topics, as I was, but Tucker steered the long interview just toward the lawfare. She told Tucker about a lot of the ctrl-left aggression against their family too - it got pretty personal. If anyone wants more info on that, Peak Stupidity was very excited about her being on Tucker and wrote a thorough review about the interview. I just checked, and the whole interview is still here.

    , @Hail
    @deep anonymous

    Thanks, deep anonymous.

    VDare is notable in part for being "ahead of its time" on immigration-restriction. That's now a mainstream position (even if, IMO, iti's being bungled to an extent by the Trump people, who should be focusing on it a lot more, but are being dragged down by grandiose narcissism and distractions).

    The incorporation of VDare in New York was a case of not being ahead of its time.

    There was plenty of precedent for harassment of well-spoken, immigration-restriction, pro-White voices by the time VDare was founded in 2000. I'm not sure how much a lag between its founding, supposedly Dec 31, 1999, and its "incorporation." This oversight was avoidable.

    __________

    My view is: VDare is a direct product of a late-1990s "moment" of the U.S. Right, when it purged of many of its most interesting and bold people, for Racism. (Many of these people were quasi-maligned by being called "Paleoconservatives," as if living fossils, calling up images of paleontology although ostensibly a flipping of the label "Neoconservative.")

    Establishment Conservatism as of the mid-1990s into the late-1990s had people like Joe Sobran and Sam Francis; it had relatively hardline immigration-restrictionists like Peter Brimelow, and Pat Buchanan; and it had Steve Sailer and others like him. In the late 1990s, a wide range of people were banned and spun off in new directions in the 2000s. This absolutely includes Sailer (regardless of what he says).

    We might be able to book-end the Conservative Purge phenomenon to between ca. 1995 and ca. 2015 at the tail-end, although the biggest events happened in the late-1990s period and regular purges thereafter were simply more human-sacrifices to a Regime diversity-ideology cult. One reason the purges after 2015 could happen to the radical extent they did was there was already over 20 years' precedent even for purging the Steve Sailers and Peter Brimelows, and so the Charlottesville marchers of 2017 could easily be cast as something like satanic, so far beyond the pale as to be off the chart.

    The Purge period (against any trace of Racism on the Right) is the origin of this little discussion-community, fwiw, even though many of the key events happened decades before people found this place. Ron Unz was too much of a renegade and independent actor to be included too directly in the Purge narrative, but he weaved himself in and out of the milieu often, such as his leading role with The American Conservative (a publication founded as a reaction to the purges). He invited Sailer to blog here starting, I believe, in mid-2014, at which time Sailer was still banned across the board in respectable media. The entire Unz Review project feels like it is a reaction to the Conservative Purges of tat 1995-2015 period as much as it was a reaction against the Left or the "liberal media" or something.

    VDare was up and running by 2000i It was relatively easy to simply stumble across on the open-Internet days of the 2000s. I bet a fair portion of Steve Sailer's momentum in the 2000s traced to people finding him via VDare. But the stigmitization of VDare was certainly active even then.

    The fuller ghettoization, delegitimization, deboosting, blacklisting and brownlisting, and eventually outright deplatforming (including being banned from credit-card processing and web-hosting and that kind of thing), came later, and VDare had many years' warning before the Black attorney general of New York began her outright harassment campaign.

    ____________

    I have a late-2010s memory of Peter Brimelow in Washington, during some event he was trying to run. A plan had been organized to get people to and from the venue secretly, in group. Leftists were trying to find them and crash the party. PB and others had taken to adapting tactics from radical groups the world over: concealing movements, misdirection, semi-secret communication. Just to try to pull off hosting a small conference, during the disappointing Trump-I presidency. That, years before the legal harassment by the attorney general of New York. He had plenty of warning.

    On the other hand, maybe VDare had run its course? It was something bold in the early 2000s that filled a valuable space otherwise abandoned by the Bob Doles, the Cheneys, the "maverick" McCains, the post-purge National Review, and certainly the Dubya Bushes that lingered around the scene. But the situation by the early 2020s had chanegd a lot, and VDare if anything looked moderate.

    It was in 2016 that Peter Brimelow tried hard to pivot towards being a conference-holding organization, along with the sudden success of the "Alt-Right" (which he helped popularize, after Hillary denounced the Alt-Right by name around August 2016). Because of highly unfavorable political conditions at the time, the attempt to convert VDare into something of a normal policy organization (a radical, pro-White, morally serious one), the late-2010s attempt to reposition VDare didn't really work out.

    All the Alt-Right groups imploded. The last few lingering into the 2020s but nothing much survived as effective political-action groups. What survived were tendencies, which predated the mid-2010s in any case, and which get coopted by the Trump thing and by a generalized, go-nowhere, resentment-politics which really is too dumbed-down to be long-run successful. (One can get a good feel for what that is by watching Fox News for any length of time, but it is far wider than just one news channel, even one that staffs such a big share of the Trump-II government.)

    In great part the failure to convert the big breakthroughs of the mid-2010s into something more stable, something more attractive (beyond the troll element seeking entertainment), and something morally serious, was because so much of it was amateur hour. After decades in the wilderness, something of a more-racialist Right had no institutions to tap into, beyond some Internet-centric demagogues, and an extremely-lucky, orange-haired, sui generis doofus.

    Peter Brimelow, Richard Spencer, and others had the right instincts in the late 2010s, but conditions were not favorable. To the extent that move had failed by about 2019, VDare had no choice but to retreat as the 2020s opened towards a baseline of what it had been around the 2000s! Then came the opportunistic lawsuits.

    VDare bought its "castle" in February 2020, it seems. Just week before the Lockdowns and the serious disruptions of the period 2020-2022. The purchase of the castle was specifically to try to keep event-hosting alive, as a rallying-point.

    But a "castle" in West Virginia is not any kind of suitable place to have such a property. (In a better world, a group like VDare would have prime real estate in downtown Washington, or somewhere like that.) So the castle feels like an attempt both to keep the late-2010s dream alive and a retreat from that dream.

    The VDare-denouement and ultimate closure in mid-2024, although apparently completely induced by the legal harassment from New York, could also be seen as a reflection of VDare's failure to get out of the wilderness in the 2010s (through no fault of its own).

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @MEH 0910

  • Hail says: • Website
    @deep anonymous
    @Hail

    My recollection of Brimelow's explanation is a follows:

    VDare first was incorporated by an attorney friend (who may have been working pro bono) who was based in New York and practiced law there. Its incorporation as an educational non-profit corporation happened years before the TDS insanity and the explosion of Democratic lawfare, which at that time were inconceivable. The problem Brimelow and company did not foresee is that apparently, an educational non-profit corporation incorporated in New York cannot move its domicile to another state without the express permission of New York. So once Letitia James waddled into power, VDare was a sitting duck.

    According to Brimelow, several competent attorneys carefully set up the Castle deal, and all thought it was perfectly above board. (You probably will recall that VDare repeatedly had its conferences cancelled at the last minute when Democratic oriented groups (e.g. the SPLC and the rest of the anti-White hatred complex) threatened violence, and the managers of the facilities caved.) But pigbitch James issued a relentless and perpetual series of deeply intrusive subpoenas, claiming she was investigating self-dealing by the Brimelows. One of the purposes of the subpoenas was to pry open the identities of VDares donors and writers, most of whom were anonymous/pseudonymous. In any event, compliance with the onslaught basically depleted VDare's coffers almost entirely, which was the whole point.

    I tend to believe Brimelow's version. (I understand board contributor Nicholas Stix had a falling out with Brimelow and basically hates him. I know nothing about their beef and have no comment about it. Stix claims that Brimelow was dishonorable, at least to him, but as far as I know, he has been silent about the lawfare conducted against VDare by the NY AG Office.) The legal profession and, unfortunately, the courts (especially in New York) are hopelessly corrupted and cannot be depended upon to pursue anything resembling justice. The VDare case is a perfect example.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Hail

    Thanks, deep anonymous.

    VDare is notable in part for being “ahead of its time” on immigration-restriction. That’s now a mainstream position (even if, IMO, iti’s being bungled to an extent by the Trump people, who should be focusing on it a lot more, but are being dragged down by grandiose narcissism and distractions).

    The incorporation of VDare in New York was a case of not being ahead of its time.

    There was plenty of precedent for harassment of well-spoken, immigration-restriction, pro-White voices by the time VDare was founded in 2000. I’m not sure how much a lag between its founding, supposedly Dec 31, 1999, and its “incorporation.” This oversight was avoidable.

    __________

    My view is: VDare is a direct product of a late-1990s “moment” of the U.S. Right, when it purged of many of its most interesting and bold people, for Racism. (Many of these people were quasi-maligned by being called “Paleoconservatives,” as if living fossils, calling up images of paleontology although ostensibly a flipping of the label “Neoconservative.”)

    Establishment Conservatism as of the mid-1990s into the late-1990s had people like Joe Sobran and Sam Francis; it had relatively hardline immigration-restrictionists like Peter Brimelow, and Pat Buchanan; and it had Steve Sailer and others like him. In the late 1990s, a wide range of people were banned and spun off in new directions in the 2000s. This absolutely includes Sailer (regardless of what he says).

    We might be able to book-end the Conservative Purge phenomenon to between ca. 1995 and ca. 2015 at the tail-end, although the biggest events happened in the late-1990s period and regular purges thereafter were simply more human-sacrifices to a Regime diversity-ideology cult. One reason the purges after 2015 could happen to the radical extent they did was there was already over 20 years’ precedent even for purging the Steve Sailers and Peter Brimelows, and so the Charlottesville marchers of 2017 could easily be cast as something like satanic, so far beyond the pale as to be off the chart.

    The Purge period (against any trace of Racism on the Right) is the origin of this little discussion-community, fwiw, even though many of the key events happened decades before people found this place. Ron Unz was too much of a renegade and independent actor to be included too directly in the Purge narrative, but he weaved himself in and out of the milieu often, such as his leading role with The American Conservative (a publication founded as a reaction to the purges). He invited Sailer to blog here starting, I believe, in mid-2014, at which time Sailer was still banned across the board in respectable media. The entire Unz Review project feels like it is a reaction to the Conservative Purges of tat 1995-2015 period as much as it was a reaction against the Left or the “liberal media” or something.

    VDare was up and running by 2000i It was relatively easy to simply stumble across on the open-Internet days of the 2000s. I bet a fair portion of Steve Sailer’s momentum in the 2000s traced to people finding him via VDare. But the stigmitization of VDare was certainly active even then.

    The fuller ghettoization, delegitimization, deboosting, blacklisting and brownlisting, and eventually outright deplatforming (including being banned from credit-card processing and web-hosting and that kind of thing), came later, and VDare had many years’ warning before the Black attorney general of New York began her outright harassment campaign.

    ____________

    I have a late-2010s memory of Peter Brimelow in Washington, during some event he was trying to run. A plan had been organized to get people to and from the venue secretly, in group. Leftists were trying to find them and crash the party. PB and others had taken to adapting tactics from radical groups the world over: concealing movements, misdirection, semi-secret communication. Just to try to pull off hosting a small conference, during the disappointing Trump-I presidency. That, years before the legal harassment by the attorney general of New York. He had plenty of warning.

    On the other hand, maybe VDare had run its course? It was something bold in the early 2000s that filled a valuable space otherwise abandoned by the Bob Doles, the Cheneys, the “maverick” McCains, the post-purge National Review, and certainly the Dubya Bushes that lingered around the scene. But the situation by the early 2020s had chanegd a lot, and VDare if anything looked moderate.

    It was in 2016 that Peter Brimelow tried hard to pivot towards being a conference-holding organization, along with the sudden success of the “Alt-Right” (which he helped popularize, after Hillary denounced the Alt-Right by name around August 2016). Because of highly unfavorable political conditions at the time, the attempt to convert VDare into something of a normal policy organization (a radical, pro-White, morally serious one), the late-2010s attempt to reposition VDare didn’t really work out.

    All the Alt-Right groups imploded. The last few lingering into the 2020s but nothing much survived as effective political-action groups. What survived were tendencies, which predated the mid-2010s in any case, and which get coopted by the Trump thing and by a generalized, go-nowhere, resentment-politics which really is too dumbed-down to be long-run successful. (One can get a good feel for what that is by watching Fox News for any length of time, but it is far wider than just one news channel, even one that staffs such a big share of the Trump-II government.)

    In great part the failure to convert the big breakthroughs of the mid-2010s into something more stable, something more attractive (beyond the troll element seeking entertainment), and something morally serious, was because so much of it was amateur hour. After decades in the wilderness, something of a more-racialist Right had no institutions to tap into, beyond some Internet-centric demagogues, and an extremely-lucky, orange-haired, sui generis doofus.

    Peter Brimelow, Richard Spencer, and others had the right instincts in the late 2010s, but conditions were not favorable. To the extent that move had failed by about 2019, VDare had no choice but to retreat as the 2020s opened towards a baseline of what it had been around the 2000s! Then came the opportunistic lawsuits.

    VDare bought its “castle” in February 2020, it seems. Just week before the Lockdowns and the serious disruptions of the period 2020-2022. The purchase of the castle was specifically to try to keep event-hosting alive, as a rallying-point.

    But a “castle” in West Virginia is not any kind of suitable place to have such a property. (In a better world, a group like VDare would have prime real estate in downtown Washington, or somewhere like that.) So the castle feels like an attempt both to keep the late-2010s dream alive and a retreat from that dream.

    The VDare-denouement and ultimate closure in mid-2024, although apparently completely induced by the legal harassment from New York, could also be seen as a reflection of VDare’s failure to get out of the wilderness in the 2010s (through no fault of its own).

    • Thanks: Mark G., Hypnotoad666
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Hail

    Our comments crossed on the server, Mr. Hail. Here's something that should be said: No matter what its physical presence has been, VDare was around for about a quarter of a century with the real expertise on the immigration issue.

    I mean, they had articles on every angle of it, legal/illegal, with all the aspects of each, articles on all the ill effects of the invasion, such as environmental effects, health effects (formerly eradicated diseases brought back), effects on employment, effects on family formation (there's your iSteve), effects on rule-of-law and good government, etc.

    Then, they had former BP agents, some legal insiders in Washington, some general experienced people (Allan Wall who lived in Mexico for a decade, for example), and so forth.

    You couldn't find a better group of experts on this issue if you were told by the President to hand-pick the best with money being no object. Could they ever get "the band" back together? I doubt it, and it's not just $5,000 they need to get to the Cook County Assessor's office either.

    VDare had a big influence, which I'll get into in another comment to continue a thread from #13. However, just the extremely informative nature of the site/org was well worth the time Mr. Brimelow, his family, and his writers put into it.

    .

    PS: Ron Unz has been a BIG help to VDare an its cause, even though he does not give a damn about that cause. At this point, though, as I still respect him for his great support for free speech, the site in general, well, I look at the headline articles - Moslem ex-pat Moroccan coffee-shop-based Kevin Barrett's expertise on the American manned moon landings being one of the more humorous examples - and I can totally understand anyone's not wanting to be associated with it.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    , @MEH 0910
    @Hail


    Ron Unz was too much of a renegade and independent actor to be included too directly in the Purge narrative, but he weaved himself in and out of the milieu often, such as his leading role with The American Conservative (a publication founded as a reaction to the purges).
     
    Ron Unz himself was purged as publisher of The American Conservative in 2013, some time after trying to submit an article about race and crime in America.

    https://www.unz.com/runz/why-the-american-conservative-purged-its-own-publisher/

    Why The American Conservative Purged Its Own Publisher
    Ron Unz • May 29, 2018
     
    https://www.unz.com/runz/race-and-crime-in-america/

    Race and Crime in America
    The unspoken statistical reality of urban crime over the last quarter century.
    Ron Unz • July 20, 2013
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Unz#Writing_and_publishing

    An investor in The American Conservative, he was its publisher from 2007 to 2013.[38] He also contributed opinion articles on topics such as immigration, the minimum wage, and urban crime.[17] In an email leaked to National Review magazine, editor Daniel McCarthy wrote that Unz was acting as if he were the editor of The American Conservative and threatened to resign if the publication's board did not support him over Unz.[39]
     
    https://web.archive.org/web/20190419120837/https://www.nationalreview.com/2013/08/american-conservative-unfused-betsy-woodruff/

    The American Conservative, Unfused?
    By Betsy Woodruff
    August 1, 2013
    There’s a rift between the publisher and the editor, over editorial decisions and finances.
     

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666

  • @Hail
    @Greta Handel


    the juiced ball introduced mid-2015
     

    conversion of what had been tactical, team based offense into one-on-one contests of strikeouts versus homers
     

    this, in turn, diminishes the importance of aggressive base running, defensive play (e.g., in particular, the throwing arm of a right fielder), pitching to contact
     

    Want to restore quality baseball? Raise the seams and deaden the ball.
     
    Thanks, Greta.

    Did Sailer comment on these ideas?

    __________

    It's looking like the Dodgers win Game 6, which means the early-November outlook for more baseball commentary from Sailer is -- high.

    Replies: @Greta Handel, @Hail

    the early-November outlook for more baseball commentary from Sailer is — high.

    Steve Sailer predictably celebrated the Dodgers victory.

    Much of his baseball commentary has gone towards criticizing the idea of a baseball “lockout” unless and until a salary cap is put in.

    Sailer characterizes the people who are against the Dodgers’ total salaries being highest (or second-highest) in the MLB as “The Dodgers are ruining baseball.” The 2025 Dodgers’ aggregate salaries are said to be 2nd highest (narrowly after the NY Mets), but more than four times as high as the lowest-paid teams in the league.

    An aggregation of recent Sailer baseball / Dodgers / World Series commentary:

    Steve Sailer:

    What ruins baseball more than a 7th game of the world series with the starting pitcher batting leadoff? We need an owner lockout in 2027 to go back to good old days of the Angels having Ohtani, Trout, and Pujols but no postseason appearances.

    How DARE the Dodgers ruin baseball by putting on the best World Series since 1991?

    __________

    For decades, the feeling was that you could be smart like Oakland and Tampa Bay or rich like the Yankees. The Dodger current owners said: We’re rich, so why don’t we try being smart as well?

    It turn out that also attracts players like Betts, Freeman, Ohtani and [Yamamoto].

    He has also begun lobbying to trade away Will Smith, one of the heroes of the Dodgers’ run. Will Smith’s home run in Game 7 gave the Dodgers the winning run. Sailer has worked out a formula proving Will Smith is not right for the team and should be traded.

    • Replies: @Greta Handel
    @Hail

    IOW, his team won, so it’s all OK.

    At your request, I used one of my rationed, neoWhimmed comments above to explain and demonstrate that Sailer has long been a dilettante who took his eye off the ball. He remains one and, typically, an apologist for TPTB. His insights on practically everything, but especially $port$ball, come back to lucre and twitch muscles.

  • It’s a bad sign when a great portion of the discussion in this thread starts with either “Corvinus says” or “.” Almost none of either sort of post are very valuable.

    • Agree: A123, res
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Hail

    What? Missed all that... who is this @Corvinus of which you speak?

  • @Sam Hildebrand
    @Almost Missouri


    I’ve never seen the labor market divide this way in real life (and I used to be the financial controller for a delivery company).
     
    During my 20 year career in the propane business working for a “major,” I saw this labor divide constantly. I worked 0ver 100 acquisitions (buying out the mom and pops) and about 1/2 the time the employees from the mom and pop were making more than my drivers. Also, I routinely hired drivers from mom and pops and independent over the road drivers, all looking for health insurance. Most of the time they took a pay cut to work for a major. I worked in extremely rural/white areas.

    I left that company after 20+ years of employment to start my own business. I signed my family up for insurance on the health care exchange. Not easy, most of the lower working class would have a hard time signing up. The premiums were $2000/month, but since I was making considerable less money than when I was a vp with the propane company, I got a credit and paid $200/month. The insurance is not great, and they negotiate with healthcare providers every year so we were switching providers almost every year.

    I personally know several men who work hard as laborers (loggers, farm hands, construction) who do not have health insurance, I have told them about the exchange and they would get insurance basically for free but they can’t handle the sign up procedures. These men are 40 to 60 years old, single ( never married or divorced) and will die prematurely of cancer/diabetes/heart disease because they do not have healthcare. And nobody gives a shit.

    Nonwhites get Medicaid because they do not work.

    Replies: @epebble, @Bardon Kaldian, @epebble, @Almost Missouri

    These men are 40 to 60 years old, single ( never married or divorced) and will die prematurely of cancer/diabetes/heart disease because they do not have healthcare

    In any normal country, that should make a person’s blood boil. U.S. is not even a nation. Read the above and then this:

    Trump threatens military action in Nigeria over Christian persecution claims

    ABUJA, Nigeria — U.S. President Donald Trump on Saturday said he’s ordered the Pentagon to begin planning for potential military action in Nigeria as he stepped up his allegations that the government is failing to rein in the persecution of Christians in the West African country.

    The president also warned that he “will immediately stop all aid and assistance to Nigeria.”

    “If the Nigerian Government continues to allow the killing of Christians, the U.S.A. will immediately stop all aid and assistance to Nigeria, and may very well go into that now disgraced country, ‘guns-a-blazing,’ to completely wipe out the Islamic Terrorists who are committing these horrible atrocities,” Trump posted on social media. “I am hereby instructing our Department of War to prepare for possible action. If we attack, it will be fast, vicious, and sweet, just like the terrorist thugs attack our CHERISHED Christians!” . . .

    https://www.npr.org/2025/11/01/g-s1-96215/trump-nigeria-christian-persecution-claims

    • Thanks: Hail
    • Replies: @A123
    @epebble


    If the Nigerian Government continues to allow the killing of Christians, the U.S.A. will immediately stop all aid and assistance to Nigeria, and may very well go into that now disgraced country, ‘guns-a-blazing,’ to completely wipe out the Islamic Terrorists who are committing these horrible atrocities
     
    The weakness in this suggestion is that eventually U.S. troops will leave and the danger will almost certainly return.

    The better solution is to send in trainers and supplies. The goal would be for every Christian in Nigeria to have a rifle & ammo. They can be helped with culture & skills to preemptively defend themselves against all followers of Islam. When the U.S. trainers leave, the native Christians will have internalized the duty & capability to prevent future Jihadi aggression before it starts.

    -- Luke 22:36 --
    Then said he unto them,
    But now, he that hath a purse,
    let him take it, and likewise his scrip:
    and he that hath no sword,
    let him sell his garment, and buy one.


    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Sam Hildebrand

    , @Corvinus
    @epebble

    “In any normal country, that should make a person’s blood boil.”

    Another distraction by Trump to hold at bay the release of the Epstein files. But, yes, you would think the Trump supporters here would have a conniption fit since he is promoting the “Deep State” agenda.

    “U.S. is not even a nation.”

    Wild generalization. You’re better than that.

    Replies: @Corpse Tooth

    , @Joe Stalin
    @epebble


    Waiting for the USAF C-17s with the white combatants to be dropped in to reenact The Battle of Stanleyville 1960s-style. LOL. Maybe they can get the African countries to contribute a contingent to be heloed in?
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9PCeeBpdu4&rco=1
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMUOU3YmByU
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXTzkF6bHrc
  • @Almost Missouri
    @Currdog73

    Agree.

    It'd be nice to hear from res too.

    Replies: @Hail, @res

    What is res’ other Internet presence besides his Unz Review commenting?

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Hail

    “What is res’ other Internet presence besides his Unz Review commenting?”

    This is creepy. Is it really her business to tell you even if she knows? Ask res himself. He’ll stop by here again.

    “His much-lamented self-moderating”

    Yes, Mr. Sailer sought higher brow comments, hence his “whimming”. It’s no big deal.

  • @Bardon Kaldian
    Still debating Steve Sailer? I admit I like him & appreciate his work, but I simply think he has not much to offer for contemporary US and the world. A sneaky affection, in my case, cannot turn into passion.

    Replies: @Hail

    Steve Sailer…has not much to offer for contemporary US and the world

    Sailer is now a symbol. A symbol, as much as a mere man commenting from the warm confines of a small room somewhere in Southern California.

    The mainstreaming of Steve Sailer in the 2020s is gives insight into political conditions in the 2020s. (By “mainstreaming” I mean acceptance in the mainstream.) (Cf.: “Behind Steve Sailer’s Rise.”)

    His much-lamented self-moderating, beginning around the late 2010s and clearly visible in the 2020s, was in parallel with the mainstreaming. Sailer denies his views have changed. But this kind of trend tends to happen to everyone who gets mainstreamed.

    • Replies: @Mark G.
    @Hail

    "Sailer denies his views have changed."

    I have been reading Steve's blog and commenting here for over a decade. There was a shift around 2022. Some commenters here see a change earlier than that with his support for Covid lockdowns and mass vaccinations, but that was common among those over sixty. They were frightened by the disease since they were the ones that might not survive it. For those under sixty, there was a 99.7% survival rate.

    The real change came with Steve's support of our proxy war against Russia in the Ukraine and his lack of interest in Israeli mistreatment of the Palestinians. He apparently decided his talking about things like the elites promoting "invade the world/invite the world" was keeping him from mainstream acceptance. The promotion of the idea that the biggest threat to average Americans are external threats from countries like Russia, China or Iran distracts them from the fact that the real biggest threat to them is internal, the corrupt parasitic elites running this country.

    Replies: @Hail

  • @Achmed E. Newman
    @Hail

    ZeroHedge posted this same article a couple of days ago. I'm guessing they have a lot bigger readership than RCI. I was surprised but very glad to see this.

    Replies: @Hail

    149 comments at Zero Hedge on the recent pro-VDare investigative article.

    Some of the top comments:

    Barron Trump:

    Don’t know about Brimelow, but Kevin MacDonald and The Occidental Observer are UBER BASED.

    And I’ll add Jared Taylor and American Renaissance too.

    Young Otis:

    Hey Tylers, instead of the Conservative, Inc. drivel from controlled-opposition globalist salad-tosser Victor Davis Hanson, how about some articles from Peter Brimelow?

    Delmar Jackson:

    Peter Brimlow and Vdare is great. I learned more about immigration from that site than the rest of the Internet and the mainstream media combined. I don’t agree with everything all of their contributors wrote over the years, but then I don’t agree with everything on National Public Radio either. Immigration is the national question. Demographics is permanent.

    Many commented that it was foolish of Brimelow to “incorporate” VDare in New York.

    I know PB has addressed this criticism in the past. I either never understood his explanation or didn’t buy it somehow. But I can’t remember what his reasons for incorporating in New York were, or his justifications after the fact (after the mortal wounding of VDare and ultimately is closure of operations in mid-2024). Anyone?

    • Replies: @deep anonymous
    @Hail

    My recollection of Brimelow's explanation is a follows:

    VDare first was incorporated by an attorney friend (who may have been working pro bono) who was based in New York and practiced law there. Its incorporation as an educational non-profit corporation happened years before the TDS insanity and the explosion of Democratic lawfare, which at that time were inconceivable. The problem Brimelow and company did not foresee is that apparently, an educational non-profit corporation incorporated in New York cannot move its domicile to another state without the express permission of New York. So once Letitia James waddled into power, VDare was a sitting duck.

    According to Brimelow, several competent attorneys carefully set up the Castle deal, and all thought it was perfectly above board. (You probably will recall that VDare repeatedly had its conferences cancelled at the last minute when Democratic oriented groups (e.g. the SPLC and the rest of the anti-White hatred complex) threatened violence, and the managers of the facilities caved.) But pigbitch James issued a relentless and perpetual series of deeply intrusive subpoenas, claiming she was investigating self-dealing by the Brimelows. One of the purposes of the subpoenas was to pry open the identities of VDares donors and writers, most of whom were anonymous/pseudonymous. In any event, compliance with the onslaught basically depleted VDare's coffers almost entirely, which was the whole point.

    I tend to believe Brimelow's version. (I understand board contributor Nicholas Stix had a falling out with Brimelow and basically hates him. I know nothing about their beef and have no comment about it. Stix claims that Brimelow was dishonorable, at least to him, but as far as I know, he has been silent about the lawfare conducted against VDare by the NY AG Office.) The legal profession and, unfortunately, the courts (especially in New York) are hopelessly corrupted and cannot be depended upon to pursue anything resembling justice. The VDare case is a perfect example.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Hail

    , @res
    @Hail

    deep anonymous and I talked about this in April 2024. More links there.
    https://www.unz.com/isteve/we-had-to-destroy-the-democracy-to-save-it/#comment-6497662

    I think this covers it.


    BRIMELOW: The VDARE Foundation was registered in New York state over 20 years ago, at a less fraught time, because our then-pro bono lawyer (subsequently forced to drop us because of the reign of terror) was admitted to the bar there. We can’t leave without permission. This has allowed New York state Attorney General Letitia James to attack us, exactly as she has attacked President Trump and the National Rifle Association, among others. She’s not yet charged us with anything. She’s just trying to batter us to death with expensive subpoenas—a quintessential lawfare tactic.
     
  • That was one ‘niche’ that Steve Sailer dug into (his personal motto at the time being “Live Not By Lies”), in or by the early 2000s. His worldwide fame today is a result.

    Steve was decades late in making immigration his niche. Anti-immigrationists were voicing their views across the West since forever, since there have always been weasels pushing for cheap labor or ignorant voters. Sailer stands out because he is the type who doesn’t base his “anti-immigration” stance on protecting old-stock populations, culture, or traditions. He’s essentially approved by big business and our overlords, which is why he’s still sscribbling. Nothing risked in hoping for lots gained.

    • Agree: Mike Tre, deep anonymous
    • Disagree: Corvinus
    • Thanks: Hail
    • Replies: @Curle
    @OilcanFloyd

    Steve’s message and Trump’s came out at exactly the point where La Raza (the people) and the Black grifters (Trayvon Martin’s crowd) were going full street action. If you’ve already forgotten the street theater going on 6/7 years ago refresh your memory. Normies don’t like street movements and Conservative Rs, at least those in the South, were enraged to see grifting Blacks, radical Jews and foreigners tearing down monuments to their dead said monuments being toppled with Paul Ryan’s moral approval manifested in Ryan scolding Trump for defending the statue defenders. I mark that unimaginable blunder by Ryan as the moment Ryan set himself up to be dethroned as House R leader which is exactly what happened.

    Replies: @OilcanFloyd

  • @J.Ross
    @Hail

    Immigration for a long time was a wierd issue where most people knew nothing about it, and the three or four who paid any attention to it were screaming "we've got to stop this" but they were considered to be insane.

    Replies: @Hail

    Immigration for a long time was a wierd issue where most people knew nothing about it, and the three or four who paid any attention to it were screaming “we’ve got to stop this”

    That was one ‘niche’ that Steve Sailer dug into (his personal motto at the time being “Live Not By Lies”), in or by the early 2000s. His worldwide fame today is a result.

  • @Hail
    @MEH 0910

    John Derbyshire interviewed on podcast:


    John Derbyshire:

    My new book The Essential John Derbyshire wasn't released on October 28th as I'd advertised. There were some minor glitches in the publishing process; the release date has been put forward to November 18th. Sorry about that.

    What DID happen on the 28th was a group chat about the book on Rumble, courtesy of my VDARE colleague Paul Kersey and his podcast In the Alien Nation.

    You can listen to the whole thing here https://tinyurl.com/y58favw7

    Around the 20-minute mark "Lomez," the President of Passage Publishing, joins the chat. At 27m30s Peter Brimelow comes in, shortly followed by me.
     

    A copy of the interview (1h25m) is up at the VDare "Rumble" channel, under title "Radio Derb Returns! An Interview with John Derbyshire | Life in The Alien Nation."

    Replies: @Hail

    Paul Kersey praises Steve Sailer during the John Derbyshire interview of October 28, 2025:

    It was during their embarrassing technical difficulties that soaked up the first 20 minutes. Paul Kersey and “Dan Lyman, of Border Hawk News” were filling time while Peter Brimelow was off trying to track down John Derbyshire.

    Paul Kersey said it was “fascinating” to find that John Derbyshire had made a plea for severe immigration restriction in March 2003, and that JD had predicted immigration-restrictionism was on the political horizon for later in the 2000s (too early by 10 years). (You can read here an that 2003 column in question, 1400 words.)

    Here is the part where Paul Kersey praises Sailer, transcribed to text:

    [10:45]

    PAUL KERSEY: You’d think the reaction to [September 11th, 2001] would’ve been: “Well, we should have a serious conversation about political correctness at the airports.”

    We know one of the people doing security at the Logan Airport noticed these Arab guys and [said], “You know, I’m not sure we should let them board. But is it worse to question them boarding?”

    I think Steve Sailer has pulled that quote out a number of times, to point out that, “Well, you know, it could have all been avoided if we had racially profiled!”

    At the same time, you’d have thought that Muslim immigration would’ve been put into question. And yet, here we are. You’ve seen the chart, Dan, of the enormous increase in Muslims in the United States. […]

    • Disagree: Corpse Tooth
    • Thanks: MEH 0910
    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Hail

    Immigration for a long time was a wierd issue where most people knew nothing about it, and the three or four who paid any attention to it were screaming "we've got to stop this" but they were considered to be insane.

    Replies: @Hail

    , @Mark G.
    @Hail

    Before John Derbyshire came out for immigration restriction in 2003, Steve Sailer came out for it in Vdare in late 2000. At that time, Steve said if the Republican party increased its percentage of the White vote it could do better in presidential elections. The way to do that was to get more blue collar White votes and the way to do that was to adopt an immigration restrictionist party plank. According to Steve, if Bush had gotten 57% of the White vote instead of the 54% he did get he would have had an electoral college landslide of 367 to 171 instead of barely getting a majority, 271-267.

    Trump used the Sailer Strategy to win in 2016 but lost in 2020, according to the blogger Audacious Epigone, because he switched to a Karl Rove strategy of trying to pick up non-White voters. Trump improved by a net of 11 points among non-Whites but declined by a net of 10 points among Whites. This was not a wash since Whites made up 75% of the voting electorate.

    In 2020, Trump largely held on to his White female voters but received fewer White male, particularly non-college educated White male, voters. AE said Trump in his four years in office had focused too much on tax cuts and not enough on ending immigration, foreign wars and large trade deficits. In addition to this, things like his Platinum Plan for Blacks did not appeal to Whites since they knew their taxes would be paying for it.

    AE also said old Joe Biden was a little more appealing to White males than the leftist Hillary in 2016. His basement campaign due to Covid helped hide his senility. I would say Trump got lucky in 2024 with the Democrats running another leftist female even worse than Hillary when it came to repelling White male voters.

    Replies: @OilcanFloyd, @Mike Tre

  • @epebble
    @Hail

    Oregon suspiciously high. What’s going on?

    I live in Portland, OR and can give some explanation. Oregon, for a long time, had depended on timber for its economy. In the 1990's, suddenly, the Portland region exploded due to the spurt of Intel design and fabrication plants (which themselves located here due to long history of Tektronix, now mostly defunct). Thus, Oregon turned into a highly bimodal economy - strong wealth creation in Portland area. Washington, (also Headquarters to Nike, another money machine), Multnomah and Clackamas counties. Rest of the state has been in a sort of depression, more or less, for over two decades. (Except a bit of 'Education economy' in Eugene and 'Government economy' in Salem.) Just as Midwest states have had difficulty in figuring out what to do in the post manufacturing economy, Oregon has failed to find a path beyond timber in the rural areas. There is a culture of dependency that developed in those counties that is coming into stress now as Intel started faltering over last decade and is no longer the fountain of wealth it was in the 1990's and 2000's. If Intel fails, there is a danger that Oregon may end up like what happened in West Virginia post coal.

    Interestingly, all the distressed counties (including the listed), are nearly 100% White. The economically viable Tri-County area is quite diverse, with a sizeable Asian population in silicon design and manufacturing technology. The new CEO, on whom Intel's hopes lie, is from Malaysia.

    Replies: @Hail, @Sam Hildebrand, @Corpse Tooth

    Thanks, epebble. Based on your description, I’m unsurprised these kinds of places in Oregon swung noticeably towards Trump in 2016, 2020, and 2024 against their former political baseline. A story you can see all over the USA, but people overlook with Oregon (among other places).

    One thing I wonder is, How big a difference do state/local governments make in the share-of-population on SNAP at a given time? In theory it is a low-income cutoff which, in theory, is quantifiable and not swayable by politics or the like. But some states might be more likely to wave anyone through, asking minimal questions of them; others might ask lots of questions and regularly shuffle people out of the system.

    That’s what jumped out as a possibility with Oregon, at least partly: They have a generous attitude towards SNAP, because they trust people (the high-trust NW-European tradition).

    But Even Multomah County (Portland) had 14% on SNAP in 2017-21; Washington County, 9%; Clackamas County, 10%. Spot-check some wealthy urban-cores elsewhere in relatively-White areas with “Yankee” settlement-patterns and numbers are often noticeably lower.

    ___________

    I can’t help notice California is running a surprisingly tight ship on SNAP by the late 2010s, probably as a reaction to many years of laxity, and maybe they really are keeping illegals off the rolls successfully, limiting the statewide total to 10%:

    CalFresh, known federally as the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program or SNAP, provides monthly food benefits to individuals and families with low-income and provides economic benefits to communities. CalFresh is the largest food program in California and provides an essential hunger safety net. CalFresh is federally mandated and in California, is state-supervised and county-operated.

    The only two counties in California that had over 20% receiving SNAP in 2017-2021, according to the FRAC data, were: Imperial County, bordering Arizona and Mexico; and Tulare County in the San Joaquin Valley (the region of California that is the lifelong home of right-wing commentator and pro-Sailer figure Victor Davis Hanson, I believe nearer to Fresno than Tulare).

    Tulare County was depicted as a hardscrabble place already back in a 1971 Merle Haggard song already (“Tulare Dust.” See: 1971 version and the 1994 tribute version by Tom Russell).

    Wiki-commentary on the Merle Haggard album Someday We’ll Look Back” (released August 1971; recorded “1969 and 1970” per Wikipedia entry) includes this:

    Haggard also returns to the theme of the plight of the working poor on “One Row at a Time,” “California Cotton Fields,” and the self-penned “Tulare Dust,” a song that led music journalist Daniel Cooper to observe in 1994, “Merle has often driven home the point that life is hard, but he’s never driven it with quite so few words as he does in ‘Tulare Dust’.”

  • @Hail
    @Almost Missouri

    SNAP enrollment by county navigable map, 2017-2021:

    https://frac.org/maps/snap-county-map/snap-counties.html

    Oregon suspiciously high. What's going on?

    -- Jefferson County, Ore.: 28% on SNAP
    -- Malheur County, Ore.: 27% on SNAP
    -- Josephine County, Ore.: 24% on SNAP
    -- Klamath County, Ore.: 23% on SNAP
    -- Coos County, Ore.: 23% on SNAP
    -- Harney County, Ore.: 23% on SNAP
    -- OREGON statewide: 15%

    Some comparisons:

    -- WYOMING, statewide: 5%!

    -- Los Angeles County, Calif.: 10% (CALIFORNIA statewide, also 10%)

    -- JD Vance's home counties in Ohio:
    -- -- Butler County: 9%
    -- -- Warren County: 4%

    -- Manhattan: 13%
    -- Bronx: 36%
    -- Queens: 16%
    -- Brooklyn: 22%
    -- Staten Island: 12%

    Replies: @epebble, @Curle, @Almost Missouri

    Oregon suspiciously high. What’s going on?

    I live in Portland, OR and can give some explanation. Oregon, for a long time, had depended on timber for its economy. In the 1990’s, suddenly, the Portland region exploded due to the spurt of Intel design and fabrication plants (which themselves located here due to long history of Tektronix, now mostly defunct). Thus, Oregon turned into a highly bimodal economy – strong wealth creation in Portland area. Washington, (also Headquarters to Nike, another money machine), Multnomah and Clackamas counties. Rest of the state has been in a sort of depression, more or less, for over two decades. (Except a bit of ‘Education economy’ in Eugene and ‘Government economy’ in Salem.) Just as Midwest states have had difficulty in figuring out what to do in the post manufacturing economy, Oregon has failed to find a path beyond timber in the rural areas. There is a culture of dependency that developed in those counties that is coming into stress now as Intel started faltering over last decade and is no longer the fountain of wealth it was in the 1990’s and 2000’s. If Intel fails, there is a danger that Oregon may end up like what happened in West Virginia post coal.

    Interestingly, all the distressed counties (including the listed), are nearly 100% White. The economically viable Tri-County area is quite diverse, with a sizeable Asian population in silicon design and manufacturing technology. The new CEO, on whom Intel’s hopes lie, is from Malaysia.

    • Thanks: Hail
    • Replies: @Hail
    @epebble

    Thanks, epebble. Based on your description, I'm unsurprised these kinds of places in Oregon swung noticeably towards Trump in 2016, 2020, and 2024 against their former political baseline. A story you can see all over the USA, but people overlook with Oregon (among other places).

    One thing I wonder is, How big a difference do state/local governments make in the share-of-population on SNAP at a given time? In theory it is a low-income cutoff which, in theory, is quantifiable and not swayable by politics or the like. But some states might be more likely to wave anyone through, asking minimal questions of them; others might ask lots of questions and regularly shuffle people out of the system.

    That's what jumped out as a possibility with Oregon, at least partly: They have a generous attitude towards SNAP, because they trust people (the high-trust NW-European tradition).

    But Even Multomah County (Portland) had 14% on SNAP in 2017-21; Washington County, 9%; Clackamas County, 10%. Spot-check some wealthy urban-cores elsewhere in relatively-White areas with "Yankee" settlement-patterns and numbers are often noticeably lower.

    ___________

    I can't help notice California is running a surprisingly tight ship on SNAP by the late 2010s, probably as a reaction to many years of laxity, and maybe they really are keeping illegals off the rolls successfully, limiting the statewide total to 10%:


    CalFresh, known federally as the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program or SNAP, provides monthly food benefits to individuals and families with low-income and provides economic benefits to communities. CalFresh is the largest food program in California and provides an essential hunger safety net. CalFresh is federally mandated and in California, is state-supervised and county-operated.
     
    The only two counties in California that had over 20% receiving SNAP in 2017-2021, according to the FRAC data, were: Imperial County, bordering Arizona and Mexico; and Tulare County in the San Joaquin Valley (the region of California that is the lifelong home of right-wing commentator and pro-Sailer figure Victor Davis Hanson, I believe nearer to Fresno than Tulare).

    Tulare County was depicted as a hardscrabble place already back in a 1971 Merle Haggard song already ("Tulare Dust." See: 1971 version and the 1994 tribute version by Tom Russell).

    Wiki-commentary on the Merle Haggard album Someday We'll Look Back" (released August 1971; recorded "1969 and 1970" per Wikipedia entry) includes this:


    Haggard also returns to the theme of the plight of the working poor on "One Row at a Time," "California Cotton Fields," and the self-penned "Tulare Dust," a song that led music journalist Daniel Cooper to observe in 1994, "Merle has often driven home the point that life is hard, but he's never driven it with quite so few words as he does in 'Tulare Dust'."
     
    , @Sam Hildebrand
    @epebble


    Interestingly, all the distressed counties (including the listed), are nearly 100% White.
     
    Another area, much more significant, where clueless republicans are targeting poor working class whites is the attack on the subsidies in the Affordable Care Act.

    There’s a big group—about 40-50 million people—who fall in the “missing middle”: they earn too much to qualify for Medicaid and they’re too young for Medicare, but they don’t have a job that offers health insurance.
     
    https://www.hks.harvard.edu/faculty-research/policy-topics/health/health-insurance-subsidies-behind-government-shutdown

    Blacks and poor, brown immigrants get Medicaid, they don’t pretend to work. The “missing middle” is overwhelmingly white, small business owners and employees of small businesses. The republicans should be championing these subsidies, but instead they are abandoning their base.

    Supposedly republican opposition to the subsidies is because of the $30 billion price, lol. Really it’s about serving thier corporate benefactors. Access to affordable healthcare is a barrier to entry. A nimble, efficient small business can cause a lot of havoc in industries dominated by large corporations, bloated with admin expenses. Additionally, competition for quality employees is easier when affordable healthcare is only available through the large company.

    For example, a young married man with two kids and a “stay at home” wife is considering a propane delivery job between two companies, a mom and pop independent or a major. The mom and pop pays $60,000/year but no health insurance while the major is offering $50,000/year. He will choose the major every time.

    Replies: @Greta Handel, @epebble, @Almost Missouri

    , @Corpse Tooth
    @epebble

    I much prefer the small towns along I-5 to the PDX complex. Definitely not a swath of richness but the predominately white population gets by through small businesses, Ag, some guvmint jobs, fairly low housing costs compared to the rest of the West Coast, and EBT. Most of these I-5ers gripe and complain about this or that but they don't move.

  • @Almost Missouri
    Map for the SNAPocalypse:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G4MmqYTWIAA0U3G.jpg



    https://twitter.com/LokiJulianus/status/1982470773370507648

    Replies: @Hail

    SNAP enrollment by county navigable map, 2017-2021:

    https://frac.org/maps/snap-county-map/snap-counties.html

    Oregon suspiciously high. What’s going on?

    — Jefferson County, Ore.: 28% on SNAP
    — Malheur County, Ore.: 27% on SNAP
    — Josephine County, Ore.: 24% on SNAP
    — Klamath County, Ore.: 23% on SNAP
    — Coos County, Ore.: 23% on SNAP
    — Harney County, Ore.: 23% on SNAP
    — OREGON statewide: 15%

    Some comparisons:

    — WYOMING, statewide: 5%!

    — Los Angeles County, Calif.: 10% (CALIFORNIA statewide, also 10%)

    — JD Vance’s home counties in Ohio:
    — — Butler County: 9%
    — — Warren County: 4%

    — Manhattan: 13%
    — Bronx: 36%
    — Queens: 16%
    — Brooklyn: 22%
    — Staten Island: 12%

    • Thanks: Almost Missouri
    • Replies: @epebble
    @Hail

    Oregon suspiciously high. What’s going on?

    I live in Portland, OR and can give some explanation. Oregon, for a long time, had depended on timber for its economy. In the 1990's, suddenly, the Portland region exploded due to the spurt of Intel design and fabrication plants (which themselves located here due to long history of Tektronix, now mostly defunct). Thus, Oregon turned into a highly bimodal economy - strong wealth creation in Portland area. Washington, (also Headquarters to Nike, another money machine), Multnomah and Clackamas counties. Rest of the state has been in a sort of depression, more or less, for over two decades. (Except a bit of 'Education economy' in Eugene and 'Government economy' in Salem.) Just as Midwest states have had difficulty in figuring out what to do in the post manufacturing economy, Oregon has failed to find a path beyond timber in the rural areas. There is a culture of dependency that developed in those counties that is coming into stress now as Intel started faltering over last decade and is no longer the fountain of wealth it was in the 1990's and 2000's. If Intel fails, there is a danger that Oregon may end up like what happened in West Virginia post coal.

    Interestingly, all the distressed counties (including the listed), are nearly 100% White. The economically viable Tri-County area is quite diverse, with a sizeable Asian population in silicon design and manufacturing technology. The new CEO, on whom Intel's hopes lie, is from Malaysia.

    Replies: @Hail, @Sam Hildebrand, @Corpse Tooth

    , @Curle
    @Hail

    If you compare OR to WA by congressional district they are alike. WA has one 14.8 % and one 16.7 % congressional district and OR has one 16.0 and one 16.8 congressional district.

    Replies: @epebble

    , @Almost Missouri
    @Hail


    — Manhattan: 13%
    — Bronx: 36%
    — Queens: 16%
    — Brooklyn: 22%
    — Staten Island: 12%
     
    Also note the huge numbers of foreign 'New Yorkers' [sic] in rent controlled apartments in defiance of the law against immigrants being a "public charge".

    NYC really is a bimodal economy: overpaid, overworked, overutilized, parasitical and destructive "professional services" overclass + subsidized, scamming, heavily foreign and nonwhite parasitical and destructive underclass. Both subsidized by extractions from the interior.

    The problem is hardly confined to NYC. Or even to the USA.


    Oregon suspiciously high. What’s going on?
     
    That came up in the Twitter replies too. Seems to be a combination of unemployed timber families, derelict indigenes, and Seattle/Portland social workers signing up every antifa and druggie they can find.

    Or the whole thing could just the the map of Where The Minorities Are.

    Here's the main PNW thread:


    DataRepublican (small r) @DataRepublican
    Oct 26

    What’s with the Pacific Northwest?

    Just Loki @LokiJulianus
    Oct 26
    Replying to @DataRepublican

    I'm not totally sure: I think a lot of areas are pretty economically depressed and have been for a while. Plus, wouldn't surprise me if state govs there sign up as many people as they can.

    He who waits @Nataksan
    Oct 26
    Replying to @LokiJulianus @DataRepublican

    That area is where armies of homeless druggies go.

    They have an interesting habit of using the EBT funds the roaming social-workers sign them up for in order to buy tons of cases of water bottles, empty them all into the street, then recycle the bottles for cash for drugs.

    Brian Knotts @brianknotts
    Oct 26
    Replying to @LokiJulianus @DataRepublican

    Combination of factors. This region used to have robust natural resource industries, that were curtailed by regulation and lawsuits. Then, the grants that were in place to help replace the tax revenue from logging were discontinued. Now, add international immigration, and voila.

    Bob @TheMonkBob
    Oct 27
    Replying to @LokiJulianus @DataRepublican

    Lots of counties in eastern Oregon are some of the most sparsely populated in the US, also farming / dairy in eastern WA and thus lots and lots of minimum wage farm workers in places like Yakima county. Also meth/drugs destroy these peoples’ ability to support themselves

    PBF @PeepoButters
    Oct 26
    Replying to @LokiJulianus @DataRepublican

    It's comically easy to sign up with virtually no oversight.

    Sam West @SamWest_7
    Oct 26
    Replying to @LokiJulianus @DataRepublican

    Yep. You can make 200% above poverty level in Oregon, for example, and still get food stamps. They’ve removed all barriers and really aren’t even screening applicants anymore.

    Federal law is ~130% above poverty for the cut off.

    Kenneth R Milstead @krmilstead
    Oct 27
    Replying to @LokiJulianus @DataRepublican

    Eastern OR & Eastern WA have large areas of poverty & are (surprise) mostly Republican. Some areas have voted to leave OR & WA to become part of Idaho. In the case of WA, the urban (Dem) areas have fewer people on Medicaid than the rural (Rep) areas. They vote for their own harm.

    DreamDancer @ChristinDancer
    Oct 26
    Replying to @LokiJulianus @DataRepublican

    If you're the right demographic they will overlook irregularities that normally would disqualify you.

    Blank can be name @DETHopolis
    Oct 27
    Replying to @LokiJulianus @DataRepublican

    Yes a lot of economically depressed areas here in the PNW. I've spent my whole life here so far.

    Rural towns have shit for employment, in many cases you need to travel 25+ miles one way just to get minimum wage.

    Bigger cities aren't much better here imo.

    CurlySue1309 @CurlySue1309
    Oct 26
    Replying to @LokiJulianus @DataRepublican

    It’s the latter. They ensure voters if they keep sending generous welfare benefits to so many.

    Todd Ianuzzi @toddkicksass
    Oct 26
    Replying to @LokiJulianus @DataRepublican

    Reservations and Agriculture workers.

    MrsMcMahon @MrsMcMahon17
    Oct 26
    Replying to @LokiJulianus @DataRepublican

    In SW Idaho (the most populated part of Idaho) wages are 15 yrs behind and housing prices have been rising drastically. Grocery and gas prices are some of the highest in the nation. While the rest of the country gas goes down, we're still at $3.50. There's also a grocery tax. Things were somewhat doable until the housing /rent prices skyrocketed. Our little house value doubled in 5 yrs. Californian influx largely driven this trend.

    TheRepublicLives @JayAbraham88
    Oct 26
    Replying to @LokiJulianus @DataRepublican

    I think it has to do with reservations and alot of Indians are pretty destitute and on assistance

    Miller Talk Podcast ✝️🇺🇸 @MillerTalk_Pod
    Oct 27
    Replying to @LokiJulianus @DataRepublican

    The progressive destroyed logging in the name of the “environment”. Total bs reason. It was like their only industry up there.

    bREEZY 🖤 MAYHEM @gaardenpanty
    Oct 26
    Replying to @LokiJulianus @DataRepublican

    Those counties are mostly rural areas and smaller towns. The more metropolitan couple of counties are in green.

    Wowbagger the Infinitely Prolonged @OrderOfMentats
    Oct 26
    Replying to @LokiJulianus @DataRepublican

    Plus legalized weed….

    NixVuln @NixVuln
    Oct 26
    Replying to @LokiJulianus @DataRepublican

    I would not be at all surprised if it was mostly Indian grandparents living with their H1B children but technically being eligible for food stamps

    Saxum Magnum @vortidude
    Oct 27
    Replying to @LokiJulianus @DataRepublican

    You could have just stopped typing after 4 words.

    RedHackBlue @redhackblue_
    Oct 27
    Replying to @LokiJulianus @DataRepublican

    haha it's all Hippies in Oregon and Washington State.

    c'mon.

    In Southern California we have referred to them as granola crunchers for like decades because we know.

    Over the last 10 years it's become hippies and the homeless.

    Jesse Arnold @JesseArnold14
    Oct 28
    Replying to @LokiJulianus @DataRepublican

    Lotta timber work dried up there when Canada started supplementing their supply to squeeze our industry.

    FreeThinker @jefiner229
    Oct 26
    Replying to @LokiJulianus @DataRepublican

    Probably homeless + some indigineous

    Nate N. Higgs @NathanielNHiggs
    Oct 27
    Replying to @LokiJulianus @DataRepublican

    I think it’s the latter. They just have super lax restrictions and give SNAP away like it’s candy

    b @palapatdk1
    Oct 27
    Replying to @LokiJulianus @DataRepublican

    The state got free government money the more people they signed up. Add that along with low paying jobs, homeless pop, and illegals
     

    Replies: @epebble

  • @Greta Handel
    @Hail

    This may be neoWhimmed or trashed, but ..

    Sailer’s a baseball dilettante who whiffed on the juiced ball introduced mid-2015, nerding around with various goofy golf fixes to offset that MLB blunder’s further conversion of what had been tactical, team based offense into one-on-one contests of strikeouts versus homers. If you don’t understand how this, in turn, diminishes the importance of aggressive base running, defensive play (e.g., in particular, the throwing arm of a right fielder), pitching to contact, etc., commenter Travis and I (including during my anonymity) commented about it extensively at the time. And if you still think that offense is synonymous with runs, then — like Sailer — you’re no fan.

    Want to restore quality baseball? Raise the seams and deaden the ball. If that doesn’t work, try charging a pitcher’s throws to hold runners as pitched balls.

    Maybe this will spark a substantial, adult discussion about something here that doesn’t revolve around the HBD big man in the red shirt.

    * Greta Handel is now comment rationed and unButtoned. Please keep this in mind for purposes of further discussion — IOW, engage directly in good faith.

    Replies: @Hail

    the juiced ball introduced mid-2015

    conversion of what had been tactical, team based offense into one-on-one contests of strikeouts versus homers

    this, in turn, diminishes the importance of aggressive base running, defensive play (e.g., in particular, the throwing arm of a right fielder), pitching to contact

    Want to restore quality baseball? Raise the seams and deaden the ball.

    Thanks, Greta.

    Did Sailer comment on these ideas?

    __________

    It’s looking like the Dodgers win Game 6, which means the early-November outlook for more baseball commentary from Sailer is — high.

    • Replies: @Greta Handel
    @Hail


    Did Sailer comment on these ideas?
     
    Not in any substantial way that I can recall, at least timely. He noticed baseball’s decline to “three true outcomes,” but was willfully clueless about causation and silly about remediation. Here’s a good, early example:

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/baseball-in-2017/

    You can see how Travis and I (starting at #10) were pretty much ignored while Sailer and others like Jonathan Mason were nerding around with field dimensions, et cetera. (Noticeably, that thread also addresses (i) “get a handle” versus the case for anonymity and, perhaps, (ii) selectively moderating heterodox comments that had yet to be known as “blueberries.”) I’ve since walked off, but from what I pick up here and there the game remains wrecked, with some teams even leading off with their top sluggers to maximize plate appearances.

    I appreciate that you are helping to overcome my current neoWhimming. But what’s with the fixation on Sailer even when the topic is one where he’s plainly out of his league?

    , @Hail
    @Hail


    the early-November outlook for more baseball commentary from Sailer is — high.
     
    Steve Sailer predictably celebrated the Dodgers victory.

    Much of his baseball commentary has gone towards criticizing the idea of a baseball "lockout" unless and until a salary cap is put in.

    Sailer characterizes the people who are against the Dodgers' total salaries being highest (or second-highest) in the MLB as "The Dodgers are ruining baseball." The 2025 Dodgers' aggregate salaries are said to be 2nd highest (narrowly after the NY Mets), but more than four times as high as the lowest-paid teams in the league.

    An aggregation of recent Sailer baseball / Dodgers / World Series commentary:


    Steve Sailer:

    What ruins baseball more than a 7th game of the world series with the starting pitcher batting leadoff? We need an owner lockout in 2027 to go back to good old days of the Angels having Ohtani, Trout, and Pujols but no postseason appearances.

    How DARE the Dodgers ruin baseball by putting on the best World Series since 1991?

    __________

    For decades, the feeling was that you could be smart like Oakland and Tampa Bay or rich like the Yankees. The Dodger current owners said: We're rich, so why don't we try being smart as well?

    It turn out that also attracts players like Betts, Freeman, Ohtani and [Yamamoto].
     

    He has also begun lobbying to trade away Will Smith, one of the heroes of the Dodgers' run. Will Smith's home run in Game 7 gave the Dodgers the winning run. Sailer has worked out a formula proving Will Smith is not right for the team and should be traded.

    Replies: @Greta Handel

  • @MEH 0910
    @Hail

    https://twitter.com/PassagePress/status/1983280123135529372


    Passage Publishing
    @PassagePress

    Update:

    We have delayed the release of @DissidentRight's The Essential John Derbyshire to 11/18/2025 after receiving some test prints that weren't quite right from the printers.

    His book will be available on Nov. 18th if you order at passage.press/products/john-derbyshire, and December 2nd everywhere else books are sold.

    5:10 PM · Oct 28, 2025
     


    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G4YGriVX0AAMFCa.jpg

    Replies: @Hail, @Corvinus, @Hail

    John Derbyshire interviewed on podcast:

    John Derbyshire:

    My new book The Essential John Derbyshire wasn’t released on October 28th as I’d advertised. There were some minor glitches in the publishing process; the release date has been put forward to November 18th. Sorry about that.

    What DID happen on the 28th was a group chat about the book on Rumble, courtesy of my VDARE colleague Paul Kersey and his podcast In the Alien Nation.

    You can listen to the whole thing here https://tinyurl.com/y58favw7

    Around the 20-minute mark “Lomez,” the President of Passage Publishing, joins the chat. At 27m30s Peter Brimelow comes in, shortly followed by me.

    A copy of the interview (1h25m) is up at the VDare “Rumble” channel, under title “Radio Derb Returns! An Interview with John Derbyshire | Life in The Alien Nation.”

    • Thanks: MEH 0910
    • Replies: @Hail
    @Hail

    Paul Kersey praises Steve Sailer during the John Derbyshire interview of October 28, 2025:

    It was during their embarrassing technical difficulties that soaked up the first 20 minutes. Paul Kersey and "Dan Lyman, of Border Hawk News" were filling time while Peter Brimelow was off trying to track down John Derbyshire.

    Paul Kersey said it was "fascinating" to find that John Derbyshire had made a plea for severe immigration restriction in March 2003, and that JD had predicted immigration-restrictionism was on the political horizon for later in the 2000s (too early by 10 years). (You can read here an that 2003 column in question, 1400 words.)

    Here is the part where Paul Kersey praises Sailer, transcribed to text:


    [10:45]

    PAUL KERSEY: You'd think the reaction to [September 11th, 2001] would've been: "Well, we should have a serious conversation about political correctness at the airports."

    We know one of the people doing security at the Logan Airport noticed these Arab guys and [said], "You know, I'm not sure we should let them board. But is it worse to question them boarding?"

    I think Steve Sailer has pulled that quote out a number of times, to point out that, "Well, you know, it could have all been avoided if we had racially profiled!"

    At the same time, you'd have thought that Muslim immigration would've been put into question. And yet, here we are. You've seen the chart, Dan, of the enormous increase in Muslims in the United States. [...]
     

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Mark G.

  • @Hail
    @Almost Missouri

    This latest JD Vance "Hinduism" controversy feels like it might be so much artificial social-media froth.

    The social-media rendering of whatever it is looks to be this:

    "Vance publicly humiliated and shamed his wife by publicly mocking her Hinduism. Amid the taunting, he demanded that his wife and their children convert from the Hinduism which they now practice to Christianity and submit to the Catholic Church."

    What I want to know is:

    What did Vance actually say? Not what those like the (apparently) over-excitable @HinduAmerican or the (apparently) sensationalist @KangMinLee say about it.

    _________

    It is troubling that the vice president's wife and children are practicing Hindus.

    How did it happen?

    Adult-life is hard. Vance's decision, in his 20s, ca. early 2010s, to stay with and later marry an elite Hindu looked like a basically-good deal when he was a money-less, status-less, White "flyover-country" person with a surplus of drug addicts in his family.

    It was probably not a good idea. Marriage was an important gate-keeping institution for all history for a reason.

    _________

    Also:

    The wife, formerly known as Usha Chilukuri, a Hindu, would have been ineligible for U.S. citizenship for most of U.S. history.

    She'd have generally been classified under the legal category "alien ineligible for naturalization." Such situation held even into the 1950s, when some judges dissolved the "alien ineligible for naturalization" legal-category (a highly overlooked turning-point on the way towards Diversity and the USA's "Multicultacracy").

    Replies: @Hail, @Almost Missouri, @Corvinus, @Hail, @Bardon Kaldian

    Richard B. Spencer today says:

    J.D. Vance [issuing his statement disavowing divorce rumors]:

    [My wife] is not a Christian and has no plans to convert, but like many people in an interfaith marriage–or any interfaith relationship–I hope she may one day see things as I do. Regardless, I’ll continue to love and support her and talk to her about faith and life and everything else, because she’s my wife.

    Richard Spencer:

    A few incarnations ago, Vance’s “interfaith” marriage was his greatest asset! This was when he was put forward as the “White Obama” or “Hillbilly Millennial,” the Middle American who could overcome backwardness to embrace America’s technological future.

    Now that Vance® has been reimagined as a Trad Catholic and White Nationalist, Usha has become a strategic liability. Vance doesn’t even call her a “person of faith,” though I guess he hopes she won’t burn in Hell for eternity for rejecting Jesus.

    In 2028, JD must find a new donkey to ride into Jerusalem. And that donkey’s name might be “Erica.”

    _________

    There’s a non-zero chance that Vance picks Erica Kirk as his running mate … or marries her after annulling his current marriage. Vance can’t do anything alone. He clings to people as vehicles. Usha served a purpose, as did Trump…

    • LOL: Corvinus
  • @Corvinus
    @Hail

    “This latest JD Vance “Hinduism” controversy feels like it might be so much artificial social-media froth.0

    Not at all.

    He is anti-white.

    Why can’t you admit that?

    Replies: @Hail

    [JD Vance] is anti-white.

    He presents himself as pro-White, but it’s is a development tied to the early 2020s.

    Questions deserve asking about the JD Vance of the 2010s, and what all happened with him. How/when/why did he go from his 2015-18 “Trump should be stopped for his bullying and humiliation of virtuous brown people, including people I love” to the new version of himself seen ca.2022-25?

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Hail

    “He presents himself as pro-White, but it’s is a development tied to the early 2020s.”

    Right. At the behest of his handlers. He’s a mere prop. A hillbilly who can be easily manipulated.

    So, is he anti-white (it’d be helpful to define the term clearly and concisely, and provide examples)? Yes or no? Why?

    “How/when/why did he go from his 2015-18 “Trump should be stopped for his bullying and humiliation of virtuous brown people, including people I love” to the new version of himself seen ca.2022-25?”

    Quite simple. Just like Marco Rubio and Lindsay Graham, he sold himself out to Trump and Trump’s benefactors. Political power play. No scruples. This is who you support.

    You’d think a trad Christian like Vance would demand that the Epstein files be released to the public as promised. You know, upholding morality and stuff. But I guess he’s content with looking away in order to protect the Swamp. He’s next in line to be President, right?

  • @Almost Missouri
    @Hypnotoad666


    Fuentes gave Steve a name check in the Tucker interview
     
    I noticed that when I heard the interview.

    I didn't know too much about Fuentes other than he seems to piss off a lot of people, left and right, for varying reasons. Given that background, he sounded normal and reasonable, and indeed, rather articulate in the Tucker interview.

    I thought, "What was all the drama about?"

    Replies: @Hail

    Some bad things about Nick Fuentes: he has always been a “social media personality” (Youtuber), which is to say a self-serving entertainer primarily and above all.

    He was for many years something like a provocateur-troll who cashed in on being a Youtuber, despite not really having particularly thought-out ideas of his own.

    It was largely about getting laughs, through the very-low-info-density video format.

    Not a positive development. Even if predictable enough in outline in the Internet era.

    (note: One doesn’t necessarily have to disagree with any particular view NF is saying on a particular day to agree with the above.)

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Hail


    a self-serving entertainer primarily
     
    Yeah, despite making a good impression during the Tucker interview, I won't bother seeking out Fuentes broadcasts just because, other than events that happen to him personally, he didn't have any new information or insight to bring to the table. As you say, he's mostly just repeating talking points from elsewhere, which apparently his audience finds useful or entertaining.

    His self-presentation is kind of novel, and might be the source of his popularity, such as it is. Conventional broadcast TV talking heads fall into a few broad categories. Anchorbabes are an obvious staple for women, especially at Fox. For men, once the Cronkeit-Sevareid-Brinkley-Huntley avuncular WASP-types died off, they were replaced with avuncular Jews, dandified Negroes, or roided up ethnics and homosexuals.

    Fuentes is something different. He's slightly ethnic, if mainly in name, very slightly effete but not enough to code as homo, naturally handsome but not in a chiseled cosmetic surgery way, and articulate, intelligent, and poised enough to carry on a monologue at length without a teleprompter. For audiences who don't want to be lectured at by prettified girlboss manjaws, condescended to by aging Jews, shucked and jived on by overdressed Negros, or mogged on by hormonal sex deviants, Fuentes presents an alternative: friendly, cheerful, nonthreatening. Or in Fuentes's own term: cozy.

    Replies: @Corvinus, @Old Prude, @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality

  • @Hail
    @Hail


    Sailer rushed to tweet something within minutes of marathon 2025 World Series Game 3’s end
     
    Sailer proceeded to offer some ideas for rule-changes to baseball. His rule-changes would generally "favor offensive action and keep the game moving along."

    He also spent an inordinate amount of time playing both sides in arguments about whether the one guy "pushed Ohtani off the base" when Ohtani tried and failed to steal second base in the bottom of the ninth.

    Steve says he favors a system that would let base-runners who touch the base but move off it a few inches to be safe. But maybe he's just saying that because he is an Ohtani fan.

    Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    “Steve says he favors a system that would let base-runners who touch the base but move off it a few inches to be safe. But maybe he’s just saying that because he is an Ohtani fan.”

    Make 2nd and 3rd base like 1st base: runner may run past the base safely and then he cannot advance further – OR he may slide and then may advance further upon errant throw, etc. It adds a tactical wrinkle to baserunning.

    • Thanks: Hail
  • October 31: Reformation Day.
    The 508th anniversary of the Reformation
    (starting in 1517, Germany).

    According to the influential, now-mainstream Jewish intellectual-scribbler Curtis Yarvin (f.k.a. Mencius Moldbug”), the Reformation was a very bad event. It helped to undermine monarchy. And there was Luther’s committed, principled anti-Semitism…

    According to Yarvin, Protestantism set the stage for all the world’s problems, for which the Jews are 100% (no, 110%!) innocent. The Jews were tricked into all by the perfidious, nefarious Protestants, you see; Protestants being a group that secretly controls the world, controls the media, and undermines nations all over the place (per Yarvin).

    It was troubling to many when Steve Sailer occasionally flirted with embracing this ‘Moldbuggian’ anti-Protestant view of world history.

    One funny thing about the Yarvin/Moldbug School of blaming White-Protestants “for everything wrong with America” is that there’d be no America at all without White-Protestants. The ethnocultural core around whose traditions, attitudes, and norms all US institutions arose!

    Yarvin’s anti-Protestant crusade was a strange little project, in which he endeavored to cast White-Protestants as some radical-subversive outside group in their own society, the society they created, maintained, and demographically were the core-majority of for centuries. Rabbi Yarvin laid on the “pilpul” thick and heavy.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Hail

    What would Gustavus Adolphus say? If Luther undermined monarchy (what?) then what the hell was Runnymede Field? What next level midwittery is locating the historical roots of John Adams and James Madison and Thomas Jefferson reflecting on Culloden and William and Mary and Locke in freaking Wittenberg?! And German protestantism doesn't really seem to have hurt the nearest, oldest, arguably most successful, highly acquisitive, and most Catholic monarchy in the area now did it?

    , @Corvinus
    @Hail

    “According to the influential, now-mainstream Jewish intellectual-scribbler Curtis Yarvin (f.k.a. Mencius Moldbug”)”

    Not among white normies.

    “the Reformation was a very bad event. It helped to undermine monarchy. And there was Luther’s committed, principled anti-Semitism…”

    Of course he was wrong.

    “According to Yarvin, Protestantism set the stage for all the world’s problems, for which the Jews are 100% (no, 110%!) innocent.”

    Not sure if he says that Jews are not to blame. Although, you believe that this group is 100 percent why whites can’t have nice things.

    “Protestants being a group that secretly controls the world, controls the media, and undermines nations all over the place (per Yarvin).”

    I suppose tit for tat.

    “It was troubling to many when Steve Sailer occasionally flirted with embracing this ‘Moldbuggian’ anti-Protestant view of world history”

    According to Who/Whom?

    One funny thing about your crowd—the white nationalist School of blaming Jews “for everything wrong with America”—is that there’d be no American culture at all without them. Their anti-Jewish crusade is a strange little project, in which he endeavored to cast them as some radical-subversive outside group in their own society, the society they helped to create,

    , @vinteuil
    @Hail


    According to Yarvin, Protestantism set the stage for all the world’s problems, for which the Jews are 100% (no, 110%!) innocent. The Jews were tricked into all by the perfidious, nefarious Protestants, you see; Protestants being a group that secretly controls the world, controls the media, and undermines nations all over the place (per Yarvin).
     
    That's obviously a silly caricature of Yarvin's views. Why do you do this?
  • — Sailer’s Oct 2025 architecture wish-lists —

    Sailer says he endorses the Trump movie to tear down the building known as the White House East Wing because the land is too valuable to let a dumpy building like that stand.

    He proposed a two-by-two matrix and has asked for ideas to fill in 3 of the 4 boxes:

    [first axis]
    – Good Buildings
    – Bad Buildings

    [second axis]
    – Buildings now standing that should be torn town
    – Former buildings (now gone) that should be re-built.

    — Good (or not bad) buildings that should be torn down (to better use the space): “Which not bad buildings should be demolished?.”

    — Good buildings that no longer exist but should be rebuilt: “What lost architecture should we rebuild?

    — Bad buildings that should be torn down: “What else should Trump tear down?

    — Bad buildings that no longer exist but should be re-built: n/a

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Hail

    Ahaaa! Mr. Hail, I saw these headlines on his site (didn't read due to no interest), and now I've got that one big pet peeve in my head. It was the same during the PanicFest, though I don't write this to dwell on that.

    Who in the Sam Hill is "We" in these 1st 2 questions? "We" as citizens of the US don't need to demolish or rebuild Jack Squat! "We" as a people? How about some people with some money that don't like bad architecture go ahead and demolish stuff, and some other people with some money that appreciate good architecture for new venues or public spaces go ahead and rebuild other stuff.

    Don't rope me into your plans with this "we" business. Are "we" the taxpayers, is that it? During the PanicFest, it was "we" should require wearing of face masks when... and "we" should collect all the unsused ventilators, and "we" should all... OK, enough, that was 5 years back.

  • @Hail
    @Almost Missouri

    This latest JD Vance "Hinduism" controversy feels like it might be so much artificial social-media froth.

    The social-media rendering of whatever it is looks to be this:

    "Vance publicly humiliated and shamed his wife by publicly mocking her Hinduism. Amid the taunting, he demanded that his wife and their children convert from the Hinduism which they now practice to Christianity and submit to the Catholic Church."

    What I want to know is:

    What did Vance actually say? Not what those like the (apparently) over-excitable @HinduAmerican or the (apparently) sensationalist @KangMinLee say about it.

    _________

    It is troubling that the vice president's wife and children are practicing Hindus.

    How did it happen?

    Adult-life is hard. Vance's decision, in his 20s, ca. early 2010s, to stay with and later marry an elite Hindu looked like a basically-good deal when he was a money-less, status-less, White "flyover-country" person with a surplus of drug addicts in his family.

    It was probably not a good idea. Marriage was an important gate-keeping institution for all history for a reason.

    _________

    Also:

    The wife, formerly known as Usha Chilukuri, a Hindu, would have been ineligible for U.S. citizenship for most of U.S. history.

    She'd have generally been classified under the legal category "alien ineligible for naturalization." Such situation held even into the 1950s, when some judges dissolved the "alien ineligible for naturalization" legal-category (a highly overlooked turning-point on the way towards Diversity and the USA's "Multicultacracy").

    Replies: @Hail, @Almost Missouri, @Corvinus, @Hail, @Bardon Kaldian

    Usha Chilukuri, a Hindu, would have been ineligible for U.S. citizenship for most of U.S. history.

    She’d have generally been classified under the legal category “alien ineligible for naturalization.”

    The man known as J. D. Vance today issued this statement about his Hindu wife and children, and the divorce rumors:

    My wife…is not a Christian and has no plans to convert, but like many people in an interfaith marriage–or any interfaith relationship–I hope she may one day see things as I do. Regardless, I’ll continue to love and support her and talk to her about faith and life and everything else, because she’s my wife.

    My view: Despite all the power (or maybe in part because of it), Vance is a confused and troubled soul.

    Years ago, he got mixed up with a Hindu. both parties, Vance and Usha, might well know it was wrong. Odds are, their two boys will. Vance has often called them his “brown sons” (and now one “brown girl” for a total of three). Yes, all experience suggests good odds that the “brown sons” will see it that way: that their parents’ marriage was morally wrong. Because the Tragic Mulatto trope is real, and goes far beyond mulattoes.

    (See also the middle section of the comment to which this is a reply.)

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Hail


    Odds are, their two boys will. Vance has often called them his “brown sons” (and now one “brown girl” for a total of three). Yes, all experience suggests good odds that the “brown sons” will see it that way: that their parents’ marriage was morally wrong. Because the Tragic Mulatto trope is real, and goes far beyond mulattoes.
     
    I had a half-Indian childhood friend. Her Indian mother was petite, Anglophilic, and educated, but still had an Indian accent and quite dark skin (so I guess from the south subcontinent somewhere, but I never thought to ask of course). In our primarily black neighborhood, my friend's appearance didn't stand out except that she was prettier than anyone of equal or darker skintone (delicate features, naturally straight shiny hair, no steatopygia). Probably a lot of the black kids (whom she, unlike me, didn't mix with: "Gutter snipes!" —her mother) assumed she was just a pretty black girl rather than anything exotic. At any rate, I don't recall her appearance ever being a social issue. Nor do I recall her ever complaining about "racism"/"discrimination" etc. And I also don't recall her ever taking any special interest in anything Indian or Hindu or even her mother's immediate ancestry. (On the one occasion her Indian grandfather visited, the grandkids evinced no interest I can recall.)

    After falling out of touch, I looked her up in adulthood to see what had become of her. Since she had been a happy and well-adjusted kid, I assumed it would still be so...

    And it was ... mostly. Two things stood out:

    1) She had married über-white Viking-ancestry white guy, moved temporarily to Scandinavia, and took a huge interest in Viking history and a bunch of SWPL stuff. (I should have mentioned her father was of Anglo-Scandi ancestry, so she actually had a personal claim here. It was just striking how pronounced this was: 0% interest in her 1/2 Indian ancestry, 150% interest in her 1/4-ish Scandi ancestry.)

    2) She had a bad case of Trump Derangement Syndrome. My first reaction was just that it was the programming that women and brown people are supposed to be against Trump that got to her, but on reflection, it may have been more complicated. She probably does have the "Tragic Mulatto trope" on some level, which manifests both as an exaggerated interest in her white side, and in a fear that some outside event (e.g. Trump) will make her into a victim of her exotic side, which she is trying to transcend.

    So tl;dr: "the Tragic Mulatto trope is real, and goes far beyond mulattoes." I guess so. In this case that I happened to know well, she seemed to have no reason for any neurosis about her race, but somehow got one anyway.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian

    , @Curle
    @Hail

    You are making too much of this. When Vance was a young man a practicing Hindu was probably the most conservative woman he knew. When I was in college Christians were not so subtly looked down upon by the popular kids (the future Hillary Clinton’s). A truly religious Hindu would have been seen as an oddity right up there with a honest to goodness hillbilly. Cases like this really are ‘keep it to yourself until you walk in his shoes’ moments.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    , @Corvinus
    @Hail

    “My view: Despite all the power (or maybe in part because of it), Vance is a confused and troubled soul.”

    Politically, yes. He is now surrounded by “pro-whites” who publicly support him since he is Trump’s toadie, but privately despise him because he is a supposed race traitor.

    And Vance understands that he is cornered in this regard. But he dare not tell those who view him (people like yourself) with disdain to f— off. So there is this strong possibility he will seek to end his marriage in a “mutually parting of the ways”, one that demands the public “respect his privacy in this difficult time” just to keep himself in the good graces of his benefactors.

    Interestingly enough, Vance is a walking contradiction. He noted he and his wife “were taught to think about people as people and not as whatever artificial, superficial skin color they had”. Furthermore, he said:

    —My mom made this point to me. And I think it’s — you know, Mom is so smart. She’s just one of the smartest people I’ve ever met. And she said, ‘You know, I get really mad at all these people talking about your biracial children, you know, whether they’re white or whether they’re Indian, or what their background is.’ She’s like, ‘They’re just our babies.—

    Wise words to live by.

    Seems to me that JD Vance these days has to keep his “diversity is our strength” beliefs—something that is professed in his faith—to himself.

    “Years ago, he got mixed up with a Hindu. both parties, Vance and Usha, might well know it was wrong.”

    Not mixed up nor wrong at all. They fell in love. They had children. Can you say that?

    “ Yes, all experience suggests good odds that the “brown sons” will see it that way: that their parents’ marriage was morally wrong.”

    Not in the eyes of God. Checkmate.

    Anyways, do us all a favor and directly come out and say Vance, along with Derbyshire, are race traitors, instead of imitating Sailer’s plausible deniability schtick.

    Replies: @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality

    , @epebble
    @Hail

    Vance is a confused and troubled soul.

    No. In his own words:


    Much of my new atheism came down to a desire for social acceptance among American elites
     
    He is a political opportunist. He found being 'Religious' is advantageous in MAGA and hitched his wagon to it. He will probably get off of it if/when his political career is over.

    https://www.premierchristianity.com/politics/the-christian-faith-of-jd-vance/19199.article

    Trump has also adopted neo-religious mantle after entry into MAGA politics. His new Casus Belli: "If we attack, it will be fast, vicious, and sweet, just like the terrorist thugs attack our CHERISHED Christians!”

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  • @Almost Missouri
    @Hail


    The stigma of the tattoo in normal-default quasi-polite society feels to me like it held in the late 2000s and into the 2010s.
     
    I may have retconned a bit. I was out of the country either side of the turn of the millennium. After I got back I started noticing tattoos everywhere. I assumed they were underway while I was gone too, so I projected the start date back, but maybe I was actually just witnessing them unfold in real time.

    E.g., I remember attending a wedding ~2003 and being repulsed by the tattoos on an otherwise attractive young woman. I remarked on this to another man there who responded in a way that implied I was out of touch with an existing trend.

    OTOH, I dated a woman in the 2010s who had a big back tattoo she got as a teenager in the 1990s. And Gavin McInnes, the "Godfather of Hipsterism" got tattooed in the 1990s before denouncing tattoos in the 2010s. So there's certainly some "prior art" in the 1990s.

    As for why they do it: I dunno. It has improved the looks of zero women. The Heartiste guy had an uncharacteristically elaborate theory that tattoos on white women were like Danegeld, which he called "Maimgeld":

    Tattoos in the current year could be seen as a sort of “maimgeld”: the tribute that White women pay in self-disfigurement to a growing Diversitopia they live in that both covets the White women’s exquisite natural looks and hates it to the verge of eliminationist rage. So all these negative body modifications by Whites could be construed as an effort to blend invisibly into the muddying waters of late stage America.

    Self-maiming (to alleviate the envy felt by the lesser races of women) and slut signaling (to attract the attention of alpha males on the prowl for easy r-selected sex) are the two big subconscious reasons tattoos have become such a cultural marker for White women.
     
    That theory is complicated by the fact that all races seem to be getting tattoos now.

    Another theory (can't remember source, maybe me) was kind of the opposite of maimgeld: that the first women who tattooed (disfigured) themselves were making a statement of extreme market value: "I'm so hot I can self-disfigure and still be attractive!" With the necessary corollary, "If you don't self-disfigure, you don't have as much surplus market value to spare as I do!" This resulted in a self-destructive brinks(wo)manship race downward by attractive women on the broken (i.e. female) logic that more tattoos = more hotness available to sacrifice. Their less attractive sisters followed suit as an ordinary social contagion.

    That's also a bit elaborate. "Ordinary social contagion" may in fact cover the matter entirely. Accelerated by social media, as with everything else nowadays.

    McInnes did have the observation that tattoos in the old days meant "I may be dangerous to talk to", while tattoos on modern women mean "Ask me about my tattoos". Viewed this way, they could be seen as attention-seeking devices in the modern attention economy.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Almost Missouri, @Pericles, @deep anonymous, @Mike Tre, @Hail

    tattoos on modern women mean “Ask me about my tattoos”

    I have noticed this to often be the case among a certain set.

    When did it start being true?

    The “Ask me about my tattoos” female-attention-seeking thing may considerably lag the earliest start-point for the trend of tattoos on White women —- which various people in this thread have proposed to be sometime in the 1990s decade, but obviously must vary by such things as region, socioeconomic status, or many other factors.

    Part of this discussion is (must be) a question of degree: A single small, hidden tattoo vs. large, shocking, visually unescapable tattoos. Qualitatively considerably different things.

    Q. In what year did the first mentally-stable White woman (lacking any clinical mental illnesses or major personality disorders) get a “face” or neck tattoo?

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @Hail

    Maybe the bar for clinical mental illness or major personality disorder is a lot lower these days. After all, mental illness in my grandparents day meant you thought you were Napoleon or you persistently tortured small animals.

    , @Almost Missouri
    @Hail


    Q. In what year did the first mentally-stable White woman (lacking any clinical mental illnesses or major personality disorders) get a “face” or neck tattoo?
     
    In the early-mid 1990s I worked at a bank where a would-have-been-attractive young white woman customer came in whose face was disfigured by either tattoos or piercings and bizarre makeup. It may not have been the first such event I saw, but I remember that occasion because afterward another employee remarked to me about my reaction (that I didn't hide my disgust very well). That she could maintain a bank account and carry out ordinary business transactions is evidence of her mental stability.

    I submit this incident despite it possibly being piercings/mods rather than tattoos because I think your larger question is, "When did a sane white woman, who otherwise has been dealt a very good hand in the game of life, go and f**k up her face for no apparent reason?" That's the first instance I can recall, put a date on, and includes evidence of sanity.

    Replies: @Currdog73

  • Steve Sailer is devoting the lion’s share of his entire attention this day, October 31, to baseball. Game 6 of the World Series starts in about 9 hours from this writing.

    Sailer on Twitter has been alternating between offering ideas on strategies for how the Dodgers can win, and offering scientific HBD-based explanations for why they can’t/won’t win. In both cases, singing the praises of Ohtani.

    He also tossed in some comments critical of Transgenders participation in sports, following the suicide of one of the Transgender-in-girls-sports figures, a case referenced by J.Ross two days ago:

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/isteve-open-thread-14/#comment-7364068

  • @Pericles
    @Mr. Anon

    In Sweden, it seems we have acquired Eritrean refugees from both sides of some tedious conflict so every now and then they meet up and have a public battle.

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @Hail, @Achmed E. Newman, @Achmed E. Newman

    Sweden acquired Eritreans, Ethiopians, and (anti-Ethiopia) Tigray people, starting when? And, why?

    • Agree: Almost Missouri
    • Replies: @Pericles
    @Hail

    I can't conclusively answer either question, I'm afraid. I guess they say they're like refugees maaan, so we have to take them in at any cost. Hey, we can afford it, we are rich and there are many of us. What do you mean we're not rich and there's not a lot of us?

  • @Hail
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    The latest Sydney Sweeney controversy, for those out of the loop:

    Sydney Sweeney wore a "pornographic outfit" to an event called "Variety's 2025 Power of Women event," hosted by Iliza Schlesinger, held in Beverly Hills, October 29, 2025.

    The nearby Steve Sailer was probably not invited, but you never know these days.

    (The host of this Power of Women event, Iliza Schlesinger (b.1983), is a wealthy Jewish socialite and sometimes-comedian. She been a campaigner for abortion rights, Transgender rights, the Black Lives Matter movement, and Israel (having volunteered as a fundraiser for Israel and Jewish causes). She has aggressively denounced the Palestinians. She may be a dual-citizen.)

    James O'Keefe writes, on the Sydney Sweeney dress controversy:


    Sydney Sweeney’s dress isn’t porn. It’s powerful, divinely feminine and stunning. She’s the subject not the object. Its presence not provocation. She’s not begging to be seen. She shines.
     
    This was the controversial dress as worn by Sydney Sweeney:



    https://hailtoyou.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/sydney-sweeney-october-2025-see-through-dress-controversy.png

    Replies: @epebble, @Mr. Anon, @Pericles, @Curle

    I don’t get the Sydney Sweeney hype. Is she pretty? Sure, she’s pretty. She’s certainly not hideous, like any number of people the media tells us are pretty. She’s above average, but not special beyond that. She’s not as pretty as Kate Winslet or Miranda Otto or Natalie Dormer or Amy Adams.

    That said, that picture of her is quite flattering. I’ve been thinking she looks like another actress, and I couldn’t figure out who. Now I’ve got it – Jeri Ryan.

    • Thanks: Hail
    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    @Mr. Anon


    I don’t get the Sydney Sweeney hype.
     
    It's a sort porn Aryan nationalism.
    , @A123
    @Mr. Anon


    I don’t get the Sydney Sweeney hype.
     
    Who said... Timing is everything!

    20 years ago -- Sydney would be one of a number of leading ladies competing for a limited number of slots.

    Today -- Sydney and a few others, such as Margot Robbie, gain vastly more attention because their public personas are "normal". Who else in her age bracket is Sydney competing against? Rachel Ziegler? Amandla Stenberg?

    Social media exposes crazy in a very public way. Emma Watson now realizes that "woke" is hurting her brand, but it is too late for her to pull back. Many others do not even grasp that they have a problem.

    PEACE 😇
  • @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality
    @Mark G.


    Also of interest to me is if this problem can be fixed or if this is part of an inevitable decline of the type you often see in late stage empires. If the latter is the case, then it may be better to focus more on personal survival during the coming economic collapse rather than spend large amounts of time engaging in political activities.
     
    As someone said, politics is life and life is politics. I think it goes back to at least Aristotle. Per our AI overlords:

    In his work Politics, Aristotle introduced the concept that humans are social and political beings (zoon politikon), meaning that life within a polis (city-state/community) and participation in its affairs is essential to human nature and a good life. This idea suggests that an individual cannot live a fully realized human life in isolation from the political community, which is often summarized as "politics is the very essence of human existence".

    Maybe in a large scale collapse, politics would be more important than ever! But, we have had such an explosion of knowledge and technology over the last three centuries that I just can't imagine any "full scale" collapse of the kind we hear about. I just don't see semiconductors going away. Things may be bumpy and there may be drama, but I would bet on political societies in the West continuing to exist.

    Replies: @Mark G.

    “we have had such an explosion of knowledge and technology over the last three centuries that I can’t see collapse of the kind we hear about.”

    Yes, I think in the long run the human race will continue to technologically advance. I view myself, though, as a long term optimist but a short term pessimist. We are likely to have a rough time over the next fifty years. I will not be alive most of that time but am concerned about my nieces and other younger Whites. I try not to fit the selfish Boomer stereotype.

    When we come out of this short term collapse, I do not know if the U.S. will be the geographical center of civilization but it is likely to be where there are large numbers of Whites. Africans have too low of an average IQ and Asians are status seeking conformist types. They are not going to risk being unpopular in the way a Galileo or Darwin did. Whites have that natural curiosity about the world that leads to scientific and technological advances.

    • Agree: Mr. Anon
    • Thanks: Hail
  • Katie Miller, wife of Stephen Miller, is for some reason being asked to do rounds on media shows defending Trump, praising Israel, and denouncing anti-Semitism.

    A few days ago, she “erupted during a heated panel on Piers Morgan Uncensored,” which “ended with her threatening never to return to the show.”

    Stephen Miller’s Wife Suffers Sensational On-Air Meltdown

    Katie Miller accused half of the panel of anti-Semitism and threatened to never return to Piers Morgan’s show.

    Leigh Kimmins | The Daily Beast
    October 30, 2025

    [MORE]

    The panel—which featured Miller alongside Cenk Uygur, founder and CEO of The Young Turks, fitness personality Jillian Michaels, and Palestinian-American journalist Omar Baddar—was meant to discuss New York mayoral candidate Zohran Mamdani’s comments that Islamophobia is “endemic” in the U.S.

    Instead, the segment quickly descended into shouting, personal attacks, and a visibly emotional Miller accusing her fellow guests of anti-Semitism.

    “Why is it that every time someone wants to criticize Mamdani, it immediately comes back to the Jews and the anti-Israel movement instead of actually talking about his viewpoints?” she asked, voice raised.

    Uygur shot back: “Nobody said that, you always do that. You’re totally lying—normal for a Miller to be completely and utterly lying.”

    This seemed to set her off. Miller responded sharply: “Quite frankly, I’m really sick and tired of this racist, bigoted rhetoric that comes from people like you against my husband, against my family, and my children. I am raising Jewish children…”

    When Uygur interrupted—“Who brought your children into this? What a weirdo”—Miller’s frustration boiled over. “Piers, I’m going to be done with this if you’re going to allow racist and bigot attacks against one of your commentators…” she said, talking over the host.

    Morgan tried to interject, but Miller pressed on: “He inserted a line that says the Millers lie. Is that not coded language for therefore we are Jewish?”

    As Morgan attempted to restore order, Miller accused the other guests of joining “anti-Semitic attacks that are so permeating on CNN and MSNBC.”

    Baddar pushed back: “Somebody criticizing you personally is not an anti-Semitic attack. If somebody says that you are lying, that is not an attack on Jews. That is an attack on you. Just stop hiding behind identity.”

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/stephen-millers-wife-suffers-sensational-on-air-meltdown/

  • Hail says: • Website

    Re the mortal wounding of VDare:

    Today John Derbyshire says (in effect), “This ain’t over.” He points to a recent investigative report relatively sympathetic to VDare:

    John Derbyshire:

    James Varney at the website Real Clear Investigations has just (October 28th) posted a detailed and lucid account of the lawfare campaign against VDARE by New York State’s Attorney General. Well worth reading https://tinyurl.com/ynzh8j9e

    Good to be reminded that among those reporting to the A-G and, like her, growing fat on my NY State taxes are a “Chief Deputy Attorney General for Social Justice” and an entire “Hate Crimes and Bias Prevention branch,” both no doubt employing legions of salaried far-left agitators to shut down “hate speech” By Any Means Necessary….

    __________

    Excerpts:

    Why Is New York’s AG Targeting a Castle in West Virginia?

    By James Varney | RealClearInvestigations
    October 28, 2025

    [MORE]

    Peter Brimelow says lax immigration policies mean “the country is being transformed against its will.”

    For more than 30 years, the author and public intellectual Peter Brimelow has argued for and published the writings of like-minded “immigration patriots” who support strong restrictions on immigration.

    Standing at the right edge of the policy debate, he has drawn the ire of pro-immigration advocates who ascribe racism to his positions. Left-wing groups like the Southern Poverty Law Center and the Anti-Defamation League label him a “white nationalist.” They put him and VDARE, the nonprofit he established in 1999, on their well-publicized “hate” lists.

    Brimelow claims those long-running battles over protected speech are the reason he has been targeted by New York Attorney General Letitia James for alleged financial improprieties connected to a West Virginia real estate deal – an effort that has so far cost more than $1 million in legal fees and forced him to pull the plug on VDARE last year.

    Its website now states the nonprofit organization, established in New York, was “battered into suspension on July 23, 2024, by lawfare from New York State Attorney General Letitia James.”

    Although the state of New York began investigating Brimelow and VDARE in 2022, it only brought civil charges last month for a complex series of transactions tied to a castle in West Virginia.

    “The Brimelows used VDARE like their personal piggy bank, draining millions in charitable assets to enrich themselves,” James alleged in announcing her lawsuit. The suit says Brimelow and his wife, Lydia, “have looted or wasted the corporate assets, have perpetuated the corporation solely for their personal benefit, or have otherwise acted in an illegal, oppressive or fraudulent manner.”

    The Brimelows contend the allegations are baseless and that James confected a case to mask her true purpose, which was silencing political voices with which she disagrees. The couple says James has taken a page from the same playbook she used to fulfill a campaign promise by prosecuting and convicting then-citizen Donald Trump last year. That, too, involved a sophisticated real estate deal in which there were no injured parties. The years of subpoenas and legal harassment that drained VDARE months before the suit was filed, along with tactics publicly outlined in 2022 by the lead prosecutor on the case, are further proof that James is engaged in a political witch hunt, according to the defendants.

    “Here’s our response to all that: we are completely innocent,” Peter Brimelow told RealClearInvestigations. “We are an example of lawfare. The immigration issue has become increasingly crucial to Democrats who are really upset by Trump’s re-election, and they are clearly trying to bankrupt us with an overly broad and cumbersome investigation.”

    Without citing this case or naming specific nonprofits because of the political nature of the case, RCI asked CharityWatch, a prominent nonprofit watchdog, whether these sorts of transactions [VDare and the VDare Castle] raise red flags. A CharityWatch representative said they are common.

    It isn’t clear what triggered the AG’s investigation of VDARE three years ago. Neither the New York Attorney General, the ADL, nor the SPLC responded to multiple requests for comment. After a week, the NYAG sent an email, pointing RCI to its complaint and press release.

    There is no evidence that the actions were promoted by VDARE donors. RCI spoke with two VDARE donors, both of whom said they have no issue with the organization or the way the Brimelows managed it.

    The AG’s office has not brought similar cases against any other nonprofit in 2025, according to its press releases. VDARE, which draws its name from Virginia Dare, the first English child born in the New World, doesn’t raise the kind of money that typically attracts regulatory scrutiny, according to its tax returns.

    One obvious clue is contained in the filing of the original civil complaint. Letitia James and James Sheehan, chief of the state’s charities bureau, are listed first, but right below them is Meghan Faux, a longtime progressive lawyer whose title is “chief deputy attorney general for social justice.”

    Another attorney listed in the filing in the case against the Brimelows was Rick Sawyer, who in 2022 headed the New York attorney general’s Hate Crimes and Bias Prevention branch and is now director of its Civil Rights Division. In November 2022, at an Anti-Defamation League conference called “Securing Our Democracy: Taking Hate and Extremism to Court,” Sawyer laid out his prosecutorial strategy.

    Sawyer acknowledged that “hate is protected in the U.S. Constitution; the First Amendment protects hate,” but said that should be no deterrent to aggressive tactics against those alleged to engage in it.

    The Brimelows have sought to admit Sawyer’s speech as evidence in a federal motion they filed on First Amendment grounds, but thus far the court has not accepted it.

    Brimelow, 78 and an immigrant himself who was reared in England, is no newcomer to the immigration debate. In 1995, he published “Alien Nation: Common Sense About America’s Immigration Disaster,” which became a bestseller and is still available on Amazon.

    His position on immigration remains largely unchanged. Brimelow argues that the 1965 Immigration Act opened a spigot that went far beyond what Congress or the American people expected.

    “The country is being transformed against its will,” Brimelow said in a C-Span interview on Alien Nation. He believes the U.S. should stop illegal immigration, deport illegals in the country, and institute an “immigration moratorium” for between five and 15 years. During that time, “there should be a national debate” that would establish immigration policy in “a rational way.”

    Even then, Brimelow said he expected pushback to his controversial contention that the immigrants coming to America were disconnected from the Western tradition and were more concerned with welfare than assimilation.

    [The SPLC] highlighted the organization for publishing what they categorize as white nationalist or racist writers, like the late John Tanton and Sam Francis. The VDARE website also posted items by John Derbyshire, who was banned by National Review in 2012 […]

    VDARE also has published pieces by Kevin MacDonald, a psychology professor and editor of a publication called The Occidental Observer, who has been characterized as racist and anti-Semitic by critics, and it is this work Peter Brimelow believes leftist groups found particularly objectionable.

    “Some of the stuff they posted there was interesting; some of it some people might find repellent,” said Mark Krikorian, the executive director of the Center for Immigration Studies. “But you are supposed to be able to say what you want, and the idea you should be punished for that by organs of the state is outrageous. And immigration has become a kind of litmus test for the left.”

    • Thanks: YetAnotherAnon, MEH 0910
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Hail

    ZeroHedge posted this same article a couple of days ago. I'm guessing they have a lot bigger readership than RCI. I was surprised but very glad to see this.

    Replies: @Hail