And that does not sound ad hominem to you?
In any case, where did I say Clastres was evil? I said he was likely a stupid, useless, Useful Idiot, due, in part, to his ideological/political slant against his own society, therefore suspect in his conclusions, which were likely formulated/imbedded by/in his disassociated Western European mind whilst he was still wallowing in the fetid froggy swamplands of French academia under the influence of who/what?
I find it a bit ironic that you are taking offense at what you perceive as an employment of an ad hominem “attack.” You sling insults continually….
In any case, is it ad hominem, or an insult/personal attack, it’s true?
I formed my opinion of Useless Idiot Pierre after a cursory review of his background/educational influences (which I accurately predicted, btw) and on what I read of his academic/intellectual output in the context of “power dynamics” within stateless societies wherein his conclusions were much more in line with what I submitted in arguing with you – “on their struggle against the state, on keeping their society an egalitarian one, however, they use violent methods: torture and warfare” – you, of course, withdrew from that particular debate.
I object to Pierre’s characterization of JungleMan as more authentically “human” and morally superior to European people. I object to his demonization of the conduct of European Man for doing essentially what JungleMan does, in terms of survival and propagation, but on a larger and more successful scale, with considerably less wanton savagery and degradation, due to a superior intellect and a propensity for extraordinary levels of organization and curiosity.
What would compel someone from France to travel to the jungles of South America to, apparently, find support for theories on Marxist/Communist/anti-Europa ideologies? What besides the deleterious influence of anti-European/Jewish philosophers and professors? Curiosity was NOT Pierre’s motivation, as far as I can discern.
I’ll stick with the honest analysis of The Noble Red Man by Mark Twain, who also took notes from personal observation:
[…] Such is the Noble Red Man in print. But out on the plains and in the mountains, not being on dress parade…he is under no obligation to be other than his natural self, and therefore:
He is little, and scrawny, and black, and dirty; and, judged by even the most charitable of our canons of human excellence, is thoroughly pitiful and contemptible.
There is nothing figurative, or moonshiny, or sentimental about his language… His “wisdom” conferred upon an idiot would leave that idiot helpless indeed.
All history and honest observation will show that the Red Man is a skulking coward and a windy braggart, who strikes without warning — usually from an ambush or under cover of night, and nearly always bringing a force of about five or six to one against his enemy; kills helpless women and little children, and massacres the men in their beds; and then brags about it as long as he lives…
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Well, natural science is certainly not "something transmitted by or acquired from a predecessor" to Carolyn, since Carolyn has made very, very clear that it indeed was not transmitted to her: she rejects it very, very strongly indeed.Again, Carolyn wrote:
Merriam-Webster – heritage(1): property that descends to an heir(2) a: something transmitted by or acquired from a predecessor: LEGACY, INHERITANCE, especially: the traditions, achievements, beliefs, etc., that are part of the history of a group or nationb: an established or customary pattern of thought, action, or behavior(3): something possessed as a result of one’s natural situation or birth: BIRTHRIGHT
Quite obviously, natural science was not "transmitted" to or "acquired" by Carolyn!Nor is natural science, in Carolyn's case, "an established or customary pattern of thought, action, or behavior," quite the contrary in fact. She is very, very determined not to engage in the "pattern of thought" employed in natural science.This is the key point I am trying to make: Carolyn, and a lot of other people in contemporary society, have made damn sure that the knowledge embedded in natural science most certainly is not "transmitted" to or "possessed" by them. A lot of them, like Carolyn, deeply hate natural science. Many simply have enough of a distaste for natural science that they simply avoid any real contact with it at all.The idea that natural science is the "birthright" or "heritage" of such people is just weird. It would be like saying that fine French wines are part of my heritage, even though I do not drink and have never drunk any French wines. Or like saying that Satanism is part of your "birthright" or "heritage" because you grew up in a society that includes Satanists!No, fine French wines are not part of my "birthright" or "heritage," and natural science is not part of Carolyn's "birthright" or "heritage," according to the dictionary definition that you quoted.I know you know almost as little science as Carolyn does, so you do not appreciate how socially and intellectually destructive science is. But Carolyn has managed to grasp that. She has insisted:
My (cy) conclusion: Science and the Scientific Method is a cult. You’ve taught me, Dave, that not only Physics but Science itself is a cult! And someday, the majority of humankind will know it.
Nope. What science is about, has been about since the beginning of the Scientific Revolution, is wiping out all of the world views that human beings have cherished, that have made human societies, cultures, and civilizations possible, that have provided comfort and solace to ordinary people, for thousands of years.In the unlikely event that you have any desire to read any serious books, you might try reading Richard Westfall’s classic The Construction of Modern Science: Mechanisms and Mechanics: from the get-go, science was an assault on all previously existing thought systems.But I don't suppose you really want to, do you?DaveReplies: @Tiptoethrutulips
As a human being, I have a right to that/my world view.
The idea that natural science is the “birthright” or “heritage” of such people is just weird.
Dave? What’s going on here? You can’t possibly be this daft.
I said: the fruits and blessings of western technology/scientific achievement/culture is an aspect of her/our heritage/birthright, the geneses of which are inherent within us upon our inception.
In other words, tooling around in an automobile is the product/outcome of the imagination, labor, and ingenuity of Western/European minds and cultures, so in that sense, We, as Western/European People, “own” the harvest; we are entitled to it; our forebears “birthed” it and bequeathed it to us. Of course, the “harvest” has been shared globally, but it remains ours by virtue of the vessel of inception/ideas and resultant actualization.
Negroes, on the other hand, are essentially cuckoos when tooling around in automobiles; when they climb atop ambulances to twerk for the masses in the urban jungle, they are expressing something of their own innate ethnic heritage, and this is plainly observed upon viewing the abundance of video footage, recorded many decades ago, of ritual/ceremonial dancing of various African tribes. A twerk by any other name! ….lest you think I’m judging too harshly, Beyonce filmed a music video titled, Ape Shit, wherein a horde of Bantus, Zulus, whomever, were shakin’ it all over inside The Louvre – “Two worlds confront each other today.”
So, heritage, by definition:
2) a: something transmitted by or acquired from a predecessor: LEGACY, INHERITANCE, especially: the traditions, achievements, beliefs, etc., that are part of the history of a group or nation
b: an established or customary pattern of thought, action, or behavior
(3): something possessed as a result of one’s natural situation or birth: BIRTHRIGHT
Capisce?
1. I know you know almost as little science as Carolyn does, so you do not appreciate how socially and intellectually destructive science is
I understand precisely how socially and intellectually destructive science can be.
But, then there’s this:
The Oven Temperature, Scientists Say, Makes Cookies Bake Better Every Time
In a series of controlled bakes, scientists at the University of Guelph measured how quickly cookies changed in size, color, and moisture — data that helped them map the key physical reactions that determine a cookie’s texture.
A wee restoration of my faith in the benevolence of scientific inquiry.
1. In the unlikely event that you have any desire to read any serious books, you might try reading Richard Westfall’s classic The Construction of Modern Science: Mechanisms and Mechanics: from the get-go, science was an assault on all previously existing thought systems.
1. But I don’t suppose you really want to, do you?
1. Why are you haranguing me over an argument/position which I’m not necessarily submitting?
You’re all over the place, Dave. Chastising me for NOT viewing science as Carolyn does; Chastising Carolyn for her views on same.
Sure, Science upset the Indigenous Apple Cart (lacking wheels, of course – was it still a cart, then?) by denying “medicine men” the joy/terror of tossing virgins into a grumbling volcano to appease the angry God residing therein…what did Pierre say about the societal impact of the carving-out of beating human hearts on sacrificial stones in order to please the God who returned the sun to the sky every morning? So, was Science, from the get-go, an assault on the trials and tribulations of human sufferings and various machinations which yielded no consistent results for the desired survival/civilizational outcomes, like how do we feed ourselves when the Rain God is mad? Or, was it an effort to recreate/reclaim something that obviously existed Before?
At this point, I have no idea what we are arguing on, except for the pure sake of arguing.
As I said above:
Was there a transitional stage of socialism throughout Bolshevik/Soviet Russia/Eastern Europe prior to the implementation of real communism?
Yes, they did indeed have "a transitional stage of socialism throughout Bolshevik/Soviet Russia/Eastern Europe": it was those actual socialist regimes. Did they ever engage in the "implementation of real communism"? No, as I said in my previous post, they never did and, of course they couldn't, because the supposed transitional stage of socialism, which was going to produce overflowing abundance, never worked.
None of the socialist states ever pretended they had reached the state of Communism, and, indeed, they were always quite vague about how Communism would actually work.
Those were and are capitalist countries.
So, again, Dave, how did specific forms of socialism manage to succeed in Germany and Scandinavia...
Ask some orthodox Marxist, if you can still find any! Don't ask me.
The ultimate goal of Communist regimes is to wither away the state? Which state? Whose state? By what apparatus does Communism ascend and remain?
Well, then he failed, didn't he? The end result was that all of Eastern Europe was handed over to the Communists, including Eastern Germany. And all of Germany was devastated and many Germans killed.
Ultimately, National Socialism via Adolf Hitler was necessary for defensive and protective purposes against Communism/Marxism and Vulture Capitalism/Banking.
Actually, there was.
There was no bait & switch with the implementation of [National Socialism in Germany].
Rather socialistic, in fact.
11.That all unearned income, and all income that does not arise from work, be abolished.
Breaking the Bondage of Interest
12. Since every war imposes on the people fearful sacrifices in blood and treasure, all personal profit arising from the war must be regarded as treason to the people We therefore demand the total confiscation of all war profits.
13. We demand the nationalization of all trusts.
14. We demand profit-sharing in large industries.
18. We demand that ruthless war be waged against those who work to the injury of the common welfare. Traitors, usurers, profiteers, etc., are to be punished with death, regardless of creed or race.
So, again, Dave, how did specific forms of socialism manage to succeed in Germany and Scandinavia…
Those were and are capitalist countries.
The Scandinavian countries are what we call “social democracies,” societies with robust social safety nets and labor movements that check the worst tendencies of capitalism and limit the power of the wealthy in key ways.
The above is exactly how I described the Scandinavian/Nordic model as quasi-socialist, wherein free market/capitalism is the framework, but certain limitations abound for the purpose of constraining would-be money-power vultures like George Soros, et al.
In reality, the Nordic economies do not provide any support for the idea that relatively high levels of state ownership are incompatible with stable and successful economies. Sweden has 48 state-owned enterprises, Finland has 67, and Norway has 74.
The level of state ownership in Norway in particular is staggering, even after two successive conservative governments have chipped away at it. The Norwegian state owns the country’s largest oil company Equinor (previously called Statoil), the country’s largest telecommunications company Telenor, and the country’s largest financial services group DNB. This would be like if the U.S. government owned Exxon Mobil, Verizon, and JP Morgan Chase.
The national oil company, Statoil engages in commercial hydrocarbon operations in Norway and abroad. The State owns 67% of the shares in Statoil, while the remaining shares are held by private and institutional investors, primarily in Norway, the rest of Europe, and the USA. [Data from USAID web page]
NARINGS- OG HANDELSDEPARTEMENTET
Norwegian Ministry of Trade and Industry
The Government’s Ownership PolicyState ownership is important. It ensures that we have control over our natural resources and that important companies remain based in Norway. The government wishes to ensure strong public and national ownership. The state must be an active and predictable owner of important Norwegian companies, and it must take a long-term view. Through its ownership, the government wishes to ensure that the state contributes to good, stable development of business and industry in Norway.
Norwegian government white paper – NORWEGIAN MINISTRY OF TRADE AND INDUSTRY
Report to the Storting (White Paper) No. 13
An active and Long-Term State OwnershipCompanies with State shareholdings manage substantial economic and socially beneficial assets. The State is an owner of some of the country’s largest companies in order to ensure that national ownership of key activities that contribute to the centres of excellence associated with head office functions and research and development activities remain and develop in Norway. This makes the State an owner of undertakings that are highly significant in Norwegian industry and society.
We are seeing an increasing trend for Norwegian knowledge businesses to be sold as soon as they achieve international standing. Norway depends on good contacts with strong international capital and competency environments, but in many cases, selling out means that we do not build up long-term knowledge industries and expertise in Norway. We risk undermining the results of long-term research and development, which are simply not reflected in short-term stock-market values. A better strategy must therefore be developed for ensuring national ownership of key businesses in the knowledge society.
All Scandinavian nations, including Finland, adhere, generally, to some sort of quasi-socialist governance as detailed above. It works well for the citizenry because of WHO the Nordics/Germanics inherently are as a homogeneous People.
Laissez-Faire capitalism it ain’t; (Germanic) National Socialism IT IS.
What? Snap out of it, Bumblebrain.
Dave’s correct about historical climate fluctuations on the planet. Warmer is good/better. Hot? Maybe not so much. Aren’t the continents supposed to have partially submerged by now?
Not to suggest that humans don’t cause extensive damage to Mother Earth – who, exactly, turned the Ganges, the Yangtze, The Yellow, the Nairobi Rivers into toxic cesspools? Having said that, at least the people polluting the Yangtze and Yellow Rivers will figure out how to fix the mess they made, eventually…
Unprecedented (inhuman history)monumental deluges and floods are happening across the planet
We were promised to Never Again! be destroyed by a monumental deluge…
the latest evidence for which is that mega-fires are destroying twice as much forest per year
How about a little gas on the Climate Induced Forest Fire Flame?
January 11, 2026 – An Argentina wild fire is burning Patagonia with over 5500 hectares already destroyed… thousands evacuated. Temperature fire? No. Arson, lit by Israeli ‘tourists’. Israel’s military strategy involving the use of fire as a weapon is primarily documented in its use of incendiary weapons, including white phosphorus and the recent deployment of a trebuchet to start brush fires along the Lebanon border.
In 2012, Chile arrested an Israeli tourist, Rotem Singer, for starting a wildfire that burned 11,000 Hectares of Patagonia Park. He was fined and sent back to Israel.
In 2011, an Israeli tourist was arrested after a major fire broke out in Torres del Paine Park in Patagonia. [Israeli tourists caught causing huge fires in Argentina in a forest full of natural resources, ‘The New York Post’ reports, December 31, 2011]
On January 4, 1986, the Argentine news agency Diarios y Noticias (DYN) disseminated throughout Argentina a report that Israeli tourists, disguised as backpack-ers, were surveying the El Calafate region of Santa Cruz province in Patagonia for the possible settlement there of 10,000 Israelis over the next ten years. The report implied that the project had been approved by national and local government officials. It included confirmatory statements by Albert Levy.
Right after the New Year [2026], hundreds of Israeli ‘tourists’ with ties to the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) descended on Chile and Argentina. The arrival is organized under the umbrella of an ‘NGO’ Mochileros Sin Fronteras (Backpackers Without Borders).
On January 9th, the fires started, engulfing huge swaths of Patagonia.
An Israeli tourist was caught lighting fires in Los Glaciares National Park, in the Argentinian Patagonia a couple of days ago.
THE JERUSALEM POST
By PHILISSA CRAMER/JTA
DECEMBER 5, 2023Nearly three decades ago, Rodolfo Barra resigned as Argentina’s justice minister in the wake of revelations about his past membership in a violent antisemitic group.
Now, the newly elected prime minister has tapped Barras to head the country’s top legal office.
The appointment by Javier Milei, a far-right upstart who backs Israel and has said he wants one day to convert to Judaism, has drawn a range of reactions from Jewish groups in Argentina. The country’s main Jewish organization, DAIA, noted that Barra had expressed regret about his actions in his youth, while a new group formed after the election to oppose antisemitism called Barra’s appointment “a direct affront to the democratic and plural spirit” of Argentine.
Argentina has a democratic and plural spirit? According to whom?
December 9, 2025: Milei announces foreigners can buy Argentinian land and develop it after fires.
January 9, 2026: Patagonia is burning. Prosecutor confirms the fires are intentional.
So, there, Mulga – just thought I’d do a little stirring of The Melting Pot.
You really don't know anything at all about the history of socialism, do you?
If “real socialism” entails full state ownership of the means of production, what, then, is real communism?
There were Nazis who wanted real socialism -- Hitler murdered most of them in the Night of the Long Knives. Murder, after all, is the only thing you Nazis are good at![Tip] Except when it does, as it worked rather well in NS Germany and in Scandinavia
[Dave] Socialism does not work. That fact is about as well-established as the fact that the Earth moves around the Sun
Which is what I keep saying.
1: any of various egalitarian economic and political theories or movements advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2a: a system of society or of group living in which there is no private property
b: a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3: a stage of society in Marxist theory that is transitional between capitalism and communism (see communism sense 2c) and is distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done
The 1787 Philadelphia Constitution was an illegal coup d'etat against the Articles of Confederation. I'd like to return to the Articles, but of course that is not going to happen.[Tip] Do you disavow the Founding Fathers, then?
[Dave] Government exists to steal from the productive member of society and turn the loot over to the members of the government and their supporters. This has been true for over five thousand years, and everyone knows it.
Your contention was:[Tip] That wasn’t my contention, was it?
[Dave] We [scientists] have not somehow bequeathed the benefits of our achievements to people like you.
And I am denying that: "heritage" implies inheritance. And you and she would have to inherit it from people like me, the scientists and inventors who created the modern world.
The current technological advances/utilities/devices are a product of her/our ethnic and societal heritage
I think it is fair for me to say that what she denounces as a cult is not part of her "ethnic and societal heritage"!
My (cy) conclusion: Science and the Scientific Method is a cult. You’ve taught me, Dave, that not only Physics but Science itself is a cult! And someday, the majority of humankind will know it.
That actually is the ad hominem fallacy: Clastres may (or may not) have been an evil man, but that is irrelevant to the value of his book.[Tip] Other than due to the fact that you submitted his work in support of an argument?
[Dave] There is no reason for me to defend Clastres.
That actually is the ad hominem fallacy: Clastres may (or may not) have been an evil man, but that is irrelevant to the value of his book.
What? WHAT/WHERE is ad hominem in asking you to defend an argument? You referenced data from Pierre Castres. Am I arguing with Dave or Pierre?
In any case, where did I say Clastres was evil? I said he was likely a stupid, useless, Useful Idiot, due, in part, to his ideological/political slant against his own society, therefore suspect in his conclusions, which were likely formulated/imbedded by/in his disassociated Western European mind whilst he was still wallowing in the fetid froggy swamplands of French academia under the influence of who/what? So, let’s continue with our dissection of the Useful Idiot –
Clastres began working in anthropology…as a student of Claude Levi Strauss [J]…Initially a member of the union of communist students, Clastres became disenchanted with communism after the raising of Stalinism and abandoned the French communist party…Along with fellow UEC member, Lucien Sebag [a French Marxist anthropologist, Sebag was a member of the Francophone community of Tunisian Jews], he was influenced by the libertarian social group Socialisme ou Barbarie.
So, like Jewry and their magical 6 million! mumbo-jumbo, Castres, et al, were the jurors in search of the offenders for a crime/verdict (or a ridiculous anthropological theory) of their own invention/postulation.
I concede that all humans, to a certain degree, have universal commonalities, but this is true for humans and all mammals/living creatures. What was/is the point in analyzing illiterate human groups who, in the 20th century, still lived more like animals, or just a step above Homo Erectus, in order to better evaluate or proselytize to the People who built Schwerin Castle or the Acropolis of Athens centuries prior? In terms of the utility for the agendas of the Zinn/Boas/StraussPeople, the comparison of Europa vs. JungleMan with regard to civilizational development/progress is utterly ridiculous, and it’s malignant and subversive in intent.
Some people are animals, Dave. Just ask the wreckers in Bolshevik Russia…
And, again, you have made no attempt whatsoever to refute the fact, known to everyone, that government exists to steal from the productive members of society and turn the loot over to the members of the government and their supporters.
And, again, I have already conceded that this appears to be mostly true.
You keep denying it, but you do not even try to give a counter-example.
USA, prior to the ascendancy of the NutshellPeople; NS Germany; Scandinavia…
such as the fact the the Virgin Mary was of course not really a virgin!
We finally agree on something, Dave.
And that does not sound ad hominem to you?
In any case, where did I say Clastres was evil? I said he was likely a stupid, useless, Useful Idiot, due, in part, to his ideological/political slant against his own society, therefore suspect in his conclusions, which were likely formulated/imbedded by/in his disassociated Western European mind whilst he was still wallowing in the fetid froggy swamplands of French academia under the influence of who/what?
You really don't know anything at all about the history of socialism, do you?
If “real socialism” entails full state ownership of the means of production, what, then, is real communism?
There were Nazis who wanted real socialism -- Hitler murdered most of them in the Night of the Long Knives. Murder, after all, is the only thing you Nazis are good at![Tip] Except when it does, as it worked rather well in NS Germany and in Scandinavia
[Dave] Socialism does not work. That fact is about as well-established as the fact that the Earth moves around the Sun
Which is what I keep saying.
1: any of various egalitarian economic and political theories or movements advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2a: a system of society or of group living in which there is no private property
b: a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3: a stage of society in Marxist theory that is transitional between capitalism and communism (see communism sense 2c) and is distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done
The 1787 Philadelphia Constitution was an illegal coup d'etat against the Articles of Confederation. I'd like to return to the Articles, but of course that is not going to happen.[Tip] Do you disavow the Founding Fathers, then?
[Dave] Government exists to steal from the productive member of society and turn the loot over to the members of the government and their supporters. This has been true for over five thousand years, and everyone knows it.
Your contention was:[Tip] That wasn’t my contention, was it?
[Dave] We [scientists] have not somehow bequeathed the benefits of our achievements to people like you.
And I am denying that: "heritage" implies inheritance. And you and she would have to inherit it from people like me, the scientists and inventors who created the modern world.
The current technological advances/utilities/devices are a product of her/our ethnic and societal heritage
I think it is fair for me to say that what she denounces as a cult is not part of her "ethnic and societal heritage"!
My (cy) conclusion: Science and the Scientific Method is a cult. You’ve taught me, Dave, that not only Physics but Science itself is a cult! And someday, the majority of humankind will know it.
That actually is the ad hominem fallacy: Clastres may (or may not) have been an evil man, but that is irrelevant to the value of his book.[Tip] Other than due to the fact that you submitted his work in support of an argument?
[Dave] There is no reason for me to defend Clastres.
And I am denying that: “heritage” implies inheritance.
Direct/legal inheritance was not the implication; perhaps you should take your own advice and consult a dictionary:
Merriam-Webster – heritage
(1): property that descends to an heir
(2) a: something transmitted by or acquired from a predecessor: LEGACY, INHERITANCE, especially: the traditions, achievements, beliefs, etc., that are part of the history of a group or nation
b: an established or customary pattern of thought, action, or behavior
(3): something possessed as a result of one’s natural situation or birth: BIRTHRIGHT
Well, natural science is certainly not "something transmitted by or acquired from a predecessor" to Carolyn, since Carolyn has made very, very clear that it indeed was not transmitted to her: she rejects it very, very strongly indeed.Again, Carolyn wrote:
Merriam-Webster – heritage(1): property that descends to an heir(2) a: something transmitted by or acquired from a predecessor: LEGACY, INHERITANCE, especially: the traditions, achievements, beliefs, etc., that are part of the history of a group or nationb: an established or customary pattern of thought, action, or behavior(3): something possessed as a result of one’s natural situation or birth: BIRTHRIGHT
Quite obviously, natural science was not "transmitted" to or "acquired" by Carolyn!Nor is natural science, in Carolyn's case, "an established or customary pattern of thought, action, or behavior," quite the contrary in fact. She is very, very determined not to engage in the "pattern of thought" employed in natural science.This is the key point I am trying to make: Carolyn, and a lot of other people in contemporary society, have made damn sure that the knowledge embedded in natural science most certainly is not "transmitted" to or "possessed" by them. A lot of them, like Carolyn, deeply hate natural science. Many simply have enough of a distaste for natural science that they simply avoid any real contact with it at all.The idea that natural science is the "birthright" or "heritage" of such people is just weird. It would be like saying that fine French wines are part of my heritage, even though I do not drink and have never drunk any French wines. Or like saying that Satanism is part of your "birthright" or "heritage" because you grew up in a society that includes Satanists!No, fine French wines are not part of my "birthright" or "heritage," and natural science is not part of Carolyn's "birthright" or "heritage," according to the dictionary definition that you quoted.I know you know almost as little science as Carolyn does, so you do not appreciate how socially and intellectually destructive science is. But Carolyn has managed to grasp that. She has insisted:
My (cy) conclusion: Science and the Scientific Method is a cult. You’ve taught me, Dave, that not only Physics but Science itself is a cult! And someday, the majority of humankind will know it.
Nope. What science is about, has been about since the beginning of the Scientific Revolution, is wiping out all of the world views that human beings have cherished, that have made human societies, cultures, and civilizations possible, that have provided comfort and solace to ordinary people, for thousands of years.In the unlikely event that you have any desire to read any serious books, you might try reading Richard Westfall’s classic The Construction of Modern Science: Mechanisms and Mechanics: from the get-go, science was an assault on all previously existing thought systems.But I don't suppose you really want to, do you?DaveReplies: @Tiptoethrutulips
As a human being, I have a right to that/my world view.
You really don't know anything at all about the history of socialism, do you?
If “real socialism” entails full state ownership of the means of production, what, then, is real communism?
There were Nazis who wanted real socialism -- Hitler murdered most of them in the Night of the Long Knives. Murder, after all, is the only thing you Nazis are good at![Tip] Except when it does, as it worked rather well in NS Germany and in Scandinavia
[Dave] Socialism does not work. That fact is about as well-established as the fact that the Earth moves around the Sun
Which is what I keep saying.
1: any of various egalitarian economic and political theories or movements advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2a: a system of society or of group living in which there is no private property
b: a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3: a stage of society in Marxist theory that is transitional between capitalism and communism (see communism sense 2c) and is distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done
The 1787 Philadelphia Constitution was an illegal coup d'etat against the Articles of Confederation. I'd like to return to the Articles, but of course that is not going to happen.[Tip] Do you disavow the Founding Fathers, then?
[Dave] Government exists to steal from the productive member of society and turn the loot over to the members of the government and their supporters. This has been true for over five thousand years, and everyone knows it.
Your contention was:[Tip] That wasn’t my contention, was it?
[Dave] We [scientists] have not somehow bequeathed the benefits of our achievements to people like you.
And I am denying that: "heritage" implies inheritance. And you and she would have to inherit it from people like me, the scientists and inventors who created the modern world.
The current technological advances/utilities/devices are a product of her/our ethnic and societal heritage
I think it is fair for me to say that what she denounces as a cult is not part of her "ethnic and societal heritage"!
My (cy) conclusion: Science and the Scientific Method is a cult. You’ve taught me, Dave, that not only Physics but Science itself is a cult! And someday, the majority of humankind will know it.
That actually is the ad hominem fallacy: Clastres may (or may not) have been an evil man, but that is irrelevant to the value of his book.[Tip] Other than due to the fact that you submitted his work in support of an argument?
[Dave] There is no reason for me to defend Clastres.
1. In Marxist theory, 2. “Communism” is the final stage of history, after the dictatorship of the proletariat has succeeded in wiping out capitalism completely, 3. at which point we will have the withering away of the state. 4. Socialism, which requires state ownership of the means of production, is a transitional stage before we can reach true Communism.
1. Who was Karl Marx, Dave?
2. Communist regimes “wipe-out” capitalism? Do they really, Dave? So, you are oblivious to the Capitalist/Communist dialectic?
3. The ultimate goal of Communist regimes is to wither away the state? Which state? Whose state? By what apparatus does Communism ascend and remain?
4. Socialism, generally, requires partial state ownership and/or varying degrees of regulation of the means of production/accumulation of wealth. But, yes, I can see how socialism, depending upon its purveyors, can mimic communism (or vice versa), or as in the case of, say, Venezuela, it ushers-in a dystopia. So, again, Dave, how did specific forms of socialism manage to succeed in Germany and Scandinavia, whilst “socialism” in Bolsheviki/Stalinist Russia required tremendous capital investment/capitalist support; terror; starvation; mass executions; Gulags; elimination of the wreckers = intellectual/entrepreneurial class?
Was there a transitional stage of socialism throughout Bolshevik/Soviet Russia/Eastern Europe prior to the implementation of real communism?
ESCAPE FROM THE SOVIETS, TATIANA TCHERNAVIN, 1934
[…] my life is typical of the lives of thousands of educated women in U.S.S.R.
….None of us were hostile to the Revolution, and many devoted themselves with enthusiasm to work for the new regime.
But this did not save us either from famine, when we had no food to give our children, or from prison and exile…The campaign of terrorism which began three years ago is not over yet. I do not know who may survive it… I want to tell the sad truth about our life in Soviet Russia.
Maybe you should read a book written by someone other than a theoretical expert. Not all of us need a credentialed meteorologist to tell us which way the wind is blowing.
they were always quite vague about how Communism would actually work.
Indeed. Communists operate by subterfuge.
Communism, far from distributing wealth, is designed to concentrate it in the hands of the world’s wealthiest people. And Marxism, before being a philosophical, economic, and political system, is a conspiracy for the revolution. [So, is Marxism real socialism? Are there disproportionate ethnic commonalities amongst the “fathers” of Marxism/Bolshevism/Communism?]
But, we’re not describing the general conduct/objectives of NS Germany or Scandinavia, are we? Particularly not so for that of NS Germany, as Hitler was rather outspoken on the objectives of National Socialism in Germany. There was no bait & switch with the implementation of same. Germany and Germans thrived in NS Germany (so did most Jews, btw, as evidenced in Shoah “survivor” testimonies regarding their enormous prosperity pre-war), and it wasn’t just local Jews who confirmed thusly –
THE TRUTH ABOUT HITLER, The Strand Magazine , November 1935, by Winston Spencer Churchill
[…] then it was that one Austrian corporal, a former house-painter, set out to regain all.
… he has succeeded in restoring Germany to the most powerful position in Europe, and not only has he restored the position of his country, but he has even, to a very large extent, reversed the results of the Great War…but the vanquished are in process of becoming the victors, and the victors the vanquished. When Hitler began, Germany lay prostrate at the feet of the Allies. He may yet see the day when what is left of Europe will be prostrate at the feet of Germany. Whatever else may be thought about these exploits, they are certainly among the most remarkable in the whole history of the world.
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“Everyone was unhappy with the Soviets. The communists were making life miserable. No one starved with the Germans.” – Agi Day (J – Budapest) in describing the transition from occupation by NS Germany to occupation by Soviet Russia.
Ultimately, National Socialism via Adolf Hitler was necessary for defensive and protective purposes against Communism/Marxism and Vulture Capitalism/Banking.
Not all socialism is a pathway for communism, just as not all success through capitalism is acquired through zero sum practices. I would say the Magna Carta and the Magdeburg Laws were the pathways for general European/Saxon inspired prosperity and the ongoing/upward trajectory thereof, which seems to have changed course due to the arrival of the alien inspired Revolution/Emancipation of the 18th-19th centuries.
Read some books. Read some books. Read some books.
Open your eyes. Open your eyes. Open your eyes.
As I said above:
Was there a transitional stage of socialism throughout Bolshevik/Soviet Russia/Eastern Europe prior to the implementation of real communism?
Yes, they did indeed have "a transitional stage of socialism throughout Bolshevik/Soviet Russia/Eastern Europe": it was those actual socialist regimes. Did they ever engage in the "implementation of real communism"? No, as I said in my previous post, they never did and, of course they couldn't, because the supposed transitional stage of socialism, which was going to produce overflowing abundance, never worked.
None of the socialist states ever pretended they had reached the state of Communism, and, indeed, they were always quite vague about how Communism would actually work.
Those were and are capitalist countries.
So, again, Dave, how did specific forms of socialism manage to succeed in Germany and Scandinavia...
Ask some orthodox Marxist, if you can still find any! Don't ask me.
The ultimate goal of Communist regimes is to wither away the state? Which state? Whose state? By what apparatus does Communism ascend and remain?
Well, then he failed, didn't he? The end result was that all of Eastern Europe was handed over to the Communists, including Eastern Germany. And all of Germany was devastated and many Germans killed.
Ultimately, National Socialism via Adolf Hitler was necessary for defensive and protective purposes against Communism/Marxism and Vulture Capitalism/Banking.
Actually, there was.
There was no bait & switch with the implementation of [National Socialism in Germany].
Rather socialistic, in fact.
11.That all unearned income, and all income that does not arise from work, be abolished.
Breaking the Bondage of Interest
12. Since every war imposes on the people fearful sacrifices in blood and treasure, all personal profit arising from the war must be regarded as treason to the people We therefore demand the total confiscation of all war profits.
13. We demand the nationalization of all trusts.
14. We demand profit-sharing in large industries.
18. We demand that ruthless war be waged against those who work to the injury of the common welfare. Traitors, usurers, profiteers, etc., are to be punished with death, regardless of creed or race.
Communism is of course a form of socialism -- the Soviets named their country the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The Bolsheviks renamed their faction of the Marxist Russian Social Democratic Labour Party as the "Communist Party" after they came to power.Real socialism? How about communism?
But real socialism, of the sort that mulga was praising in Cuba, involves full state ownership of “the means of production.”
No, actually, your assertion that I am challenging was:
My initial assertion was...
My point is that the various scientific and technological achievements by people like me are most assuredly not your and Carolyn's " ethnic and societal heritage." We have not somehow bequeathed the benefits of our achievements to people like you.
The current technological advances/utilities/devices are a product of her/our ethnic and societal heritage
You persist in thinking that scientists have some special loyalty to our own ethnic group.
If that’s it, then I assert the ethnic makeup of the tiny, tiny, fraction of those ascended individuals are what I said they were.)
There is no reason for me to defend Clastres.
Well, are you going to defend Clastres or not? Why don’t you tell me how a system in which any who attempt to establish order under a threat of murder/torture, by the masses yearning to remain unencumbered/savage, is not coercive? Isn’t that exactly what I said was very often the case?
the Soviets named… The Bolsheviks renamed… it is that form of socialism, as exhibited in Cuba, that mulga and I were debating.
Sure, “they” often use terms (names) meant to deceive the populace, such as communist-occupied East Germany calling itself the German Democratic Republic. In any case, you wrote:
But real socialism, of the sort that mulga was praising in Cuba, involves full state ownership of “the means of production.”
If “real socialism” entails full state ownership of the means of production, what, then, is real communism?
And, you wrote:
Socialism does not work. That fact is about as well-established as the fact that the Earth moves around the Sun
Except when it does, as it worked rather well in NS Germany and in Scandinavia – by “happenstance,” two realms which were free from masses of TempestTossedPeople within the populace and also free of inordinate Jewish influence/power within its government/institutions.
We have not somehow bequeathed the benefits of our achievements to people like you.
That wasn’t my contention, was it? So, you are arguing with me over a statement I never made. This sort of deflection is an observable pattern in your commentary.
There is no reason for me to defend Clastres.
Other than due to the fact that you submitted his work in support of an argument? I briefly looked into his “work” and I hurled, into your face, the immediately revealed/underlying patterns of thought/intention/influence, precisely as I alleged, regarding the recent preponderance of nonsensical European “idolatry” and promotion of primitive frog-gobbling/head-hunting/no writing/reading savagely violent peoples/cultures, and furthermore, I revealed a confirmation by Clastres on other assertions made by me with regard to how hierarchies WILL/DO establish themselves, and so you then just withdraw?
Unless you believe humans are meant to live as animals, then the hierarchies must be managed – and Dave, the established threat of torture and death for acting/legislating against a “mob of frog-gobblers,” who resist adherence to behaviors deemed beneficial to a group, IS COERCIVE.
I further argue that some human groups, such as the ones lauded by Clastres, et al, are/were meant to live exactly as they were “discovered.” They have nothing, really, to offer western civilization in terms of reflecting on the preeminence, or stupidly genuflecting, as is the current situation, of European Society.
Take the recent conquest of Venezuela
Do you object to the Belt & Road initiatives of the Chinese? Isn’t it in Venezuela, too?
The average IQ of Venezuelans is what, 88? The STEMPeople Nations are circling, Dave. The Venezuelans are sitting ducks…
The problem with government is that it institutionalizes, it guarantees, brutality and rapacity.
As does anarchy, Dave. Of course, the brutality and rapacity is not institutionalized; it’s just a random free-for-all, which is more difficult to isolate and specifically target because it’s not organized. That’s the enigma of (obvious) organization, isn’t it? The “organization,” in and of itself, is a strength and a point of demise.
Of course, you say you don’t support a total lack of hierarchy within a collective, so we’re back to the argument of how/why our beloved Anglo-Saxon Constitutional Republic, once very limited in power and scope, became the rogue behemoth it has devolved into. Remember the Nutshell, Dave. The answer is in the nutshell…
So, what does an unorganized society do about The Other organized societies of the globe when they come a callin’?
Government exists to steal from the productive member of society and turn the loot over to the members of the government and their supporters. This has been true for over five thousand years, and everyone knows it.
Do you disavow the Founding Fathers, then?
You persist in thinking that scientists have some special loyalty to our own ethnic group.
We scientists are “rootless cosmopolitans”: by your standards, pretty much all natural scientists are “traitors to their race.”
That’s ridiculous. Again, that’s not an assertion I have made.
Based on your commentary, I can reasonably suggest that you seem to be a traitor to your race. You do seem to fall into the category of a self-hating White man/unattractive LesbianLady flailing about under the sway of the MiseryLovesCompanyPeople and turning your inward ire outward and projecting your hostility and resentment upon the BeautifulPeople=EuropeanPeople, who created the world which enables you to project, without consequence, accordingly.
For obvious reasons, no society with a state ever has.
That’s simply not true.
Which stateless society in human history operated successfully by general civilizational standards? Let’s say “successfully” is defined by living beyond a mere/mostly subsistence existence, which would include the ability to accumulate territory/resources without utterly annihilating, through capture/violence/killing, all surrounding competition for same.
You really don't know anything at all about the history of socialism, do you?
If “real socialism” entails full state ownership of the means of production, what, then, is real communism?
There were Nazis who wanted real socialism -- Hitler murdered most of them in the Night of the Long Knives. Murder, after all, is the only thing you Nazis are good at![Tip] Except when it does, as it worked rather well in NS Germany and in Scandinavia
[Dave] Socialism does not work. That fact is about as well-established as the fact that the Earth moves around the Sun
Which is what I keep saying.
1: any of various egalitarian economic and political theories or movements advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2a: a system of society or of group living in which there is no private property
b: a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3: a stage of society in Marxist theory that is transitional between capitalism and communism (see communism sense 2c) and is distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done
The 1787 Philadelphia Constitution was an illegal coup d'etat against the Articles of Confederation. I'd like to return to the Articles, but of course that is not going to happen.[Tip] Do you disavow the Founding Fathers, then?
[Dave] Government exists to steal from the productive member of society and turn the loot over to the members of the government and their supporters. This has been true for over five thousand years, and everyone knows it.
Your contention was:[Tip] That wasn’t my contention, was it?
[Dave] We [scientists] have not somehow bequeathed the benefits of our achievements to people like you.
And I am denying that: "heritage" implies inheritance. And you and she would have to inherit it from people like me, the scientists and inventors who created the modern world.
The current technological advances/utilities/devices are a product of her/our ethnic and societal heritage
I think it is fair for me to say that what she denounces as a cult is not part of her "ethnic and societal heritage"!
My (cy) conclusion: Science and the Scientific Method is a cult. You’ve taught me, Dave, that not only Physics but Science itself is a cult! And someday, the majority of humankind will know it.
That actually is the ad hominem fallacy: Clastres may (or may not) have been an evil man, but that is irrelevant to the value of his book.[Tip] Other than due to the fact that you submitted his work in support of an argument?
[Dave] There is no reason for me to defend Clastres.
This caught my attention. The biblical "story of Creation" is clearly a myth (possibly of Egyptian origin, not Hebrew) circulated by the non-scientific humans living on the earth at that time. Before metals, objects were "formed" of clay and hardened in the sun until useful for holding water and other substances. This obviously points to the physical body as a vessel for holding that which was more valuable than the vessel itself. So that is how we should view the human body from then until now--as a vessel for the far more valuable spirit. Dave insists the physical body and other objects are "what we are." The scriptures are the scriptures because they remain true & useful even if seemingly outdated. They don't need to be re-translated or changed, just to be seen in the Light of Awareness.Dave's physical science "cult" presently holds that it's only a matter of time when that which cannot be defined by the laws of physical science, will somehow magically be revealed to them. Instead of waiting for that, they would do better to invite the scriptures to reveal their meaning--not just the Judeo and Christian scriptures but the Hindu and Vedanta scriptures also. Since I'm letting go all the way with my sharing lately, I'll go for broke and add that in the last 10 years I've gotten more from Indian sources than any other. Tat Tvam Asi. Look it up...because I'm really not trying to convert anyone.Just to be clear: I am not a Dualist. And even more clear, the only two "religions" I've ever gotten interested in (taken to heart) are Christianity and Hinduism, but not the popular forms, meaning the common church and temple practices, but the philosophical content, if you will. 'Nuff said.Replies: @Tiptoethrutulips
There is no magic dirt, Dave. I guess one could say, WE are the magic dirt. (or clay, as it were…I don’t really know; I’m certain clay is a mistranslation…)
The biblical “story of Creation” is clearly a myth (possibly of Egyptian origin, not Hebrew
As far as I can discern, the biblical story/stories are tales of a reemergence of humanity and of the tribulations of those who were called our “creators,” who were supposed to have walked amongst us at one time, before/during/after some sort of global catastrophe. It’s not for nothing that nearly every culture throughout the world has some sort of Great Flood myth beyond the tales of ordinarily occurring floods.
Regarding the universal reference to “clay,” and for what it’s worth, one of my favorite proverbs on creation/dichotomous natures from Lin Yutang:
God took a handful of mud, molded it into human shape and breathed into its nostrils a breath, and there was Adam. But, Adam began to crack and fall to pieces, and so God took some water, and with the water, He molded the clay, and the water which entered into Adam‘s being was called Eve. And only in having Eve in his being was Adam‘s life complete. Woman is water and man is clay, and water permeates and molds the clay, and the clay holds the water and gives it substance, in which water moves and lives and has its full being.
I might have saved myself a little anguish had I recognized the inherent truth and beauty of this suggestion earlier rather than later.
just to be seen in the Light of Awareness.
You are farther along in the journey of abstract Awareness than I am or will likely ever be; I tend to deal more with what’s happening, obviously and covertly, in the here and now, and with what has been kept from us/is being taken from us.
The very (inexplicable) existence of Puma Punku; Longyou Caves; Giza; Petra; Gobekli Tepe, etc., indicates a past completely different from what we are told/taught. I think the gatekeeping of accurate history/truth/reality in this regard, and generally, is a factor in the ongoing machinations against some of us, and the lightning-rod is in Mesopotamia, ergo:
The invasion of Iraq begins March 20, 2003; a research team from the Bavarian Department of Historical Monuments announced on April 15, 2003 that they believed they found the tomb of King Gilgamesh, and Jorg Fassbinder tells the BBC that structures were discovered that matched with descriptions contained within the epic of Gilgamesh; the war ends May 1, 2003. For some reason, the public investigation/excavation of the site ended, and what, then, does Fassbinder say?
He says – […] it isn’t at all proven that our find corresponds with Gilgamesh’s under-river tomb… since 2003, all the archaeological sites of Iraq have been under a serious and growing threat. The lack of security in the country… The trafficking of… Art and artifacts are causing the total and irreversible destruction of archaeological sites by looters. All archaeological structures will be better preserved if we leave them under the ground, untouched and buried.
The same conclusion was made for Gobekli Tepe, without a war, of course. I don’t remember the excuse for halting excavations therein.
There seems to be a bigger (and older) picture, obscured from the mainstream masses, swirling around the reemergence of a battle for control of “Mesopotamia.” There’s something special/specific about the 33rd parallel, as well…
But, what do I know? I’m not a physicist! (Just yanking your chain, Dave…)
All that said, I think our instincts and inherent proclivities put proof to that unknowable/untouchable force that makes us who/what we are as beings. I’ve often marveled at what weaver birds can do without any instruction or modeling from their parents – it speaks to a knowledge/knowing that seems to arrive from the ether…or something like that. In this 12 minute oration, the lovely Neil Oliver describes something like that, and I share his penchant for the lands of ice and snow, for the very same reasons, it seems.
Take care, Carolyn, my Swabian Sister.
They were expelled because, for over a thousand years of darkness, Christianity imposed a viciously theocratic totalitarianism on Europe that threatened the lives of anyone who did not profess the lies of Christianity. And the Jews refused to accept the lies of Christianity.
Tell us Dave, from how many European countries or regions have the jews* been expelled over the last two millennia?
Why were they expelled?
Goerge Soros is a bad guy. And he is Jewish.
You’re willing to admit we have a zionist problem (jews who are working to benefit Israel) but completely unwilling to admit we have a jewish supremacy problem (jews who are working to benefit the diaspora in host nations by subverting them).
Explain to us what the objectives are of organizations like the Open Society Foundations...
They were expelled because, for over a thousand years of darkness, Christianity imposed a viciously theocratic totalitarianism on Europe that threatened the lives of anyone who did not profess the lies of Christianity. And the Jews refused to accept the lies of Christianity.
That’s the reason — you don’t know this?
No, I didn’t know this. Thanks for bringing me up to speed, Dave, lol!
So, according to you jews were expelled from every place they ever lived because “they refused to accept the lies of Christianity?” Verdict: False!
Fact: jews were expelled in the pre-Christian period for virtually the same reasons they were expelled in the Christian period, ie due to their subversive activities.
Here are some of the more prominent Greek writers and philosophers who were sharper and more influential critics of Jews:
• Theophrastus (c. 371–287 BCE)
• Chrysippus of Soli (c. 279–206 BCE)
• Posidonius of Apamea (c. 135–51 BCE)
• Molon of Rhodes (1st c. BCE)
• Lysimachus of Alexandria (2nd–1st c. BCE)
These Greek writers and thinkers were mainstream intellectuals, not fringe figures. Their critiques framed Jews as anti-social, irrational, and hostile to civilization.
Here is a list of their more prominent Roman counterparts (mostly elite senators, philosophers, and historians):
• Tacitus (c. 56–120 CE)
• Seneca the Younger (c. 4 BCE–65 CE)
• Cicero (106–43 BCE)
• Pliny the Elder (23–79 CE)
• Juvenal (late 1st–early 2nd c. CE)
• Cassius Dio (c. 155–235 CE)
Several of these Roman authors explicitly portrayed Jews as subversive—not merely odd or separatist, but actively undermining Roman order, including:
• Cicero (Pro Flacco, 59 BCE)
He depicts Jews as an organized pressure group that intimidated courts, moved money abroad (Temple tax), and challenged Roman authority. This is an early example of the “internal enemy” trope.
• Tacitus (Histories 5)
Goes further than Greeks by framing Jewish customs as training for disloyalty—claiming Jews reserve loyalty only for each other and despise outsiders, making them incompatible with empire.
• Cassius Dio
Describes Jews as chronically rebellious, resistant to Roman governance wherever they lived, not just in Judea. He treats revolt as a recurring Jewish trait rather than a situational response.
• Juvenal (Satire 14)
Mockingly suggests Jews corrupt Roman youth and weaken civic religion, implying cultural subversion from within, not just separateness.
Goerge Soros is a bad guy. And he is Jewish.
Bill Gates is also a bad guy. And he is not Jewish.
While Bill Gates may not be jewish, there is overwhelming evidence that he is a shabbos goy who has been compromised by Jeffrey Epstein.
Quote from Bill Gates dragged back into Epstein scandal as new photos reveal the depth of their ties:
Melinda admitted that her marriage to Gates broke down because of his links to Epstein, and said after meeting [Epstein] one time, she found him ‘abhorrent’ and ‘evil personified’.
So, Dave, all of your feeble attempts at jewsplaining have been easily thwarted and it is becoming clearer by the minute that you refuse to accept clear facts that jews have been a subversive element in their host societies for over two millennia (and not just lobbying on behalf of Israel’s interests, lol).
Doesn’t this suggest that you may be the cultist who refuses to see the nose on your own face, despite your highly self-touted STEM background?
You give numerous examples of Greeks and Romans who disliked the Jews, but you do not give one single example of Jews being expelled, which is what you claim I am wrong about!
So, according to you jews were expelled from every place they ever lived because “they refused to accept the lies of Christianity?” Verdict: False!
Fact: jews were expelled in the pre-Christian period for virtually the same reasons they were expelled in the Christian period, ie due to their subversive activities.
Here are some of the more prominent Greek writers and philosophers who were sharper and more influential critics of Jews:
And who is this "WE"???[Carolyn] I didn’t say she deserves credit. I said the fruits and blessings of western technology/scientific achievement/culture is an aspect of her/our heritage/birthright, the geneses of which are inherent within us upon our inception.
[Dave] For which Carolyn deserves not one single smidgen of credit
There is no magic dirt, Dave. I guess one could say, WE are the magic dirt. (or clay, as it were…I don’t really know; I’m certain clay is a mistranslation…)
Most certainly not the vast majority of English, Germans, and Scots.[Tip] Oh? Then who did during the 14th century til 20th century? Or, do we start in Sumer and work our way up? God forbid…
[Dave] Most English, Germans, and Scots did nothing at all to contribute to modern science.
Which makes it your fault and which makes you an enemy of the American Republic. Nazism was a totalitarian ideology based on the Führerprinzip, as Hitler went into in great detail in Mein Kampf: this is the exact opposite of the system of limited government and checks and balances established by the Founders.
I wasn’t born a “Nazi,” I was made one.
As I keep trying to explain, libertarian anarchists are not opposed to all forms of hierarchy or authority: we are opposed to coercive forms, such as exercised by the state.
The Leader as servant? Philosophy of Chieftainship? Human uses of power? That reeks of some form of hierarchy, Dave.
Oh, c'mon -- you're kidding, right?[Tip] 1. On what information/data do you base this conclusion?
[Dave] 1. Yes, I have more years of schooling than you…2. The point is that you have done an abysmally poor job of educating yourself.
Again, we see your serious lack of education![Tip] Explain Sweden, Norway, Finland….pre-Diversity, of course (Ah! There’s that pesky genetic component rearing its blonde head again!). And, Dave, I’ve been to Scandinavia and attended school with Scandinavian exchange students…so, keep that in mind when/if you post more condescending slop in an attempt to insult my intelligence….
[Dave] Socialism does not work.
And who is this “WE”???
Western people = European people. Even the MayflowerPeople, who apparently identified with the Exodus Jews upon arrival to North America. Have you made amends for your ethnic heritage, Dave? (I’m kidding…you seem a bit on the spectrum, so I thought I should clarify…I’m kidding about the spectrum (?)…)
You and Carolyn have contributed nothing at all to the progress of natural science.
? Are you deliberately obtuse or just so thin-skinned that you can’t help yourself by correctly interpreting or remembering what I wrote?
I have contributed in my own small way.
Thank you, Dave Miller. Now get to crackin’ on what to do about California….
Hey — how do you feel about the “Jewish science” of Einstein, Born, Pauli, Meitner, Wigner, Feynman, etc.?
Hey, they were all born in Europe, except Feynman, who was born in Anglo-Saxon America; of those born in Europe, they were all from/educated in Germany/Austria/Germanic nations, although Wigner was a “Hungarian” from Budapest, Austria-Hungary; he was educated in Budapest and Berlin – (László Rátz, of Austria, whose mother was a Danube Swabian, is best known for educating such people as John von Neumann and Nobel laureate Eugene Wigner) – do you get my drift, Dave? None of these noted scientists bounced straight out the shtetl, primed and ready to split the atom.
No one says Jews have no capacity to learn, especially the Ashkenazi, who have long intermingled and interbred with Europeans, particularly with the Germanics. What would the Rothschilds be without European societies, economies, and brood mares?
Feynman attended MIT –
William Barton Rogers (December 7, 1804 – May 30, 1882) was an American geologist, physicist, and the founder and first president of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT)…
Rogers was born on December 7, 1804, in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania…and was of Irish, Scottish, and English extraction.
A tiny, tiny fraction of English, Germans, Scots, Dutch, Swiss, French, Italians, Poles, Russians, Indians, Chinese, etc. made contributions to natural science. The overwhelming majority in all of those countries made no contributions at all.
That’s just about everyone, so who did, then? (Or, are you referring to the mass of (useless, according to you) individuals of the majority population, from which the revered scientists ascended? In other words, the efforts of a small number of individuals have actually created the modern world, and I agree on that point. If that’s it, then I assert the ethnic makeup of the tiny, tiny, fraction of those ascended individuals are what I said they were.)
On that note, Nikola Tesla credited his “useless” mother for contributing to all he was able to learn/achieve.
My initial assertion was that the most prominent scientists from the 14th – 20th centuries had ethnic origins in Europe, primarily of English, German, Scottish (Celtic) descent. Let’s choose just two technologies of that era, discovered or developed, that impacted the entire world – flight and the internal combustion engine. Go, Dave…tell me something about the ethnic origin and education of Nicolaus Otto and the Wright Brothers.
1. As I keep trying to explain, libertarian anarchists are not opposed to all forms of hierarchy or authority: 2. we are opposed to coercive forms, such as exercised by the state.
1. I absolutely understand this. I actually think we generally agree on the destructive nature of our current and ever-expanding American government and the deleterious proliferation of those damn NGOs permitted to operate willy-nilly. The American government has changed (devolved) because the ethnic composition of the citizenry, particularly of those in authority/influence, has changed (devolved). Open/free societies can NOT withstand multiculturalism, unless the cultures are mostly Like. Anarchy in a wholly European Society is unnecessary and unproductive. In say, (black) Africa or in the Amazon, rudimentary and primitive hierarchies establish themselves, and to European sensibilities, they appear mostly anarchistic and brutal. Can we reasonably say Anarchy reigns in the Congo? In Somalia? In South Africa, although they still have a European constitution/framework, yet they can’t sustain it…my point is, America is too far gone, demographically, to recover without an authoritarian force to rid us of or to contain what ails us.
Jewish/Israeli interests and proclivities are destroying us from within; the colored tempest-tossed refuse is destroying us from without.
2. Well, are you going to defend Clastres or not? Why don’t you tell me how a system in which any who attempt to establish order under a threat of murder/torture, by the masses yearning to remain unencumbered/savage, is not coercive? Isn’t that exactly what I said was very often the case?
Oh, c’mon — you’re kidding, right?
That’s not an answer, Dave.
The Nordic countries are what economists call “mixed economies,”
I know what they are; they are considered quasi-socialist, just as there are now recognizably “socialist” aspects to the policies of the American government, yet organizations like BlackRock are not permitted prominence in Scandinavian nations, as in America, as America is not, in fact, quasi-socialist – not for some, anyway. There are many forms/degrees of “socialism.”
Why does Scandinavian socialism bear different results than Venezuelan socialism? Scandinavians thrive; Venezuelans starve and seek to escape. It’s simple – Scandinavia is (was) comprised of Scandinavians. Venezuela is Mestizo. THAT pattern prevails – always.
Socialism really existed in the Soviet Union, Maoist China, Cuba, North Korea, etc., and it failed dramatically.
So, no particular ethnic component, or lack thereof, can be discerned amongst these failing nations?
But real socialism, of the sort that mulga was praising in Cuba, involves full state ownership of “the means of production.”
Real socialism? How about communism?
Do you ever read books?
Yes. I also speak to Scandinavians who tell me what it’s like therein.
Communism is of course a form of socialism -- the Soviets named their country the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The Bolsheviks renamed their faction of the Marxist Russian Social Democratic Labour Party as the "Communist Party" after they came to power.Real socialism? How about communism?
But real socialism, of the sort that mulga was praising in Cuba, involves full state ownership of “the means of production.”
No, actually, your assertion that I am challenging was:
My initial assertion was...
My point is that the various scientific and technological achievements by people like me are most assuredly not your and Carolyn's " ethnic and societal heritage." We have not somehow bequeathed the benefits of our achievements to people like you.
The current technological advances/utilities/devices are a product of her/our ethnic and societal heritage
You persist in thinking that scientists have some special loyalty to our own ethnic group.
If that’s it, then I assert the ethnic makeup of the tiny, tiny, fraction of those ascended individuals are what I said they were.)
There is no reason for me to defend Clastres.
Well, are you going to defend Clastres or not? Why don’t you tell me how a system in which any who attempt to establish order under a threat of murder/torture, by the masses yearning to remain unencumbered/savage, is not coercive? Isn’t that exactly what I said was very often the case?
1. In a society (historically/typically) lacking in means to implement/enforce “common law,” if you choose to ignore the influential guy, you are forcefully cast-out or marginalized. Maybe you’re executed. Of course, another option is to leave of your own volition and live in isolation or start your own group, wherein another hierarchy is established in accordance with your Weltanschauung. I find it interesting that there are no current “stateless” or anarchistic nations comprised of European peoples, however that’s not the case for ALL other ethnic groups. So, we must be on to something, because all other ethnic groups seem to clamor to live amongst us, as their communities are mostly shit-holes by European standards…the Founding Fathers, whom we both admire (?), found that some semblance of national/state authority was/is necessary for human civilizational progress and prosperity, which certainly includes/enables progress in fields of science and technology. Anarchy was never the ideal; small/limited government is the ideal amongst a Like People, just as the founders indicated. 2. Why do you continue to insult me by suggesting that I am poorly educated, considering that you, yourself, previously claimed that you are an autodidact? I have repeatedly said that our education system is practically useless, which I recognized whilst still immersed in it. So, neither of us relied, ultimately, on Organized Academia, to form our opinions/positions. And? Perhaps you mean to say I am too stupid to understand you?But, yes, as I have previously asserted, there seems to be some sort of organized effort in American/European society to keep the masses ignorant and uninformed. The question is - did the objective change from simply keeping the masses mollified, and therefore more easily governed, to causing us to turn-in on ourselves and against our national identities/cultures for the purpose of rendering us helpless/unwilling to defend ourselves against the arrival of that Mocha Melting Pot? It is certainly more complex an issue than a simple juxtaposition of those two opposing agendas, but I contend that the insertion/acceptance of aliens, who often bring malevolent intent/concepts/ideals into our various institutions, and who upon ascendancy, then use our high-trust, open, fair, charitable, and individualistic customs/mores against us, has/is causing our ultimate and willful ruination.
1. But in many stateless societies, if you choose to ignore the influential guy in the group…2. I am well aware that these well-known facts are not presented to you in the (government-run) American educational institutions
We agree, Dewey was, generally, a disaster (I think he pilfered from Maria Montessori, btw), but I found no evidence that he held a disdain for European society, per se. And, I agree, it’s more complicated than just “the Jews.” Yet…So, it seems that Dewey was a bit of a communist/Marxist, yes? Ah! Communism and Marxism, of which the inception and proliferation through terror/violence and/or education, was brought to the fore throughout Europa by those pesky Saxons? Please, Dave…Here’s what I found on Dewey -*[Dewey] Worried about working for a university dedicated to laissez-faire capitalism, Dewey found himself becoming more of a populist, more of a socialist, more sympathetic to the settlement house pioneered by Jane Addams, and more skeptical of his childhood Christianity.*In China, he was called a “second Confucius.” [Is that true, Dave? I wonder why the education system in China failed to succumb to the nit-wit social platitudes within his educational dogmas?]*Arriving in Chicago during the strike, he mused, "I am something of an anarchist.”*He socialized with radicals in Greenwich Village. [Lots of Jews were therein, and radical Jewry has a much different flavor than radical Gael-ery.]* He favored community, equality, activity, freedom. He had no use for McGuffey Readers, designed to instill character, patriotism, and love of God. He believed in unions, strikes, government planning, and redistribution of income. [Freedom to redistribute income?]*He supported efforts that led to the founding of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People and the American Civil Liberties Union. [Surprise, surprise! Need I inform you of the disproportionate ethnic composition of the founders/officers/funders of both organizations?]
It goes back to White Gentiles in the Progressive Era and earlier — John Dewey, to take a concrete example. It just plain was not “the Jews.”
Dave, the “Conspiracy Theory” reveals itself.
Here’s what Marcus Garvey knew about the NAACP: In 1917, early Black nationalist Marcus Garvey became famous for storming out of the NAACP's headquarters proclaiming to be "dumbfounded" by the apparent domination of Whites. These "Whites" included Board Chairman Joel Spingarn, his brother Arthur who was pro bono counsel, Herbert Lehman of the Executive Committee, Arthur Sachs, Herbert Seligmann - director of public relations, and his secretary Martha Gruening. All Jewish. In later years, Jews had their revenge when Garvey ran into trouble with the law concerning his part-ownership of a steam line business. "I am being punished for the crime of the Jew Silverstone, an agent of the Black Star line," he complained. "I was persecuted by Maxwell Mattuck, another Jew, and I am to be sentenced by Judge Julian Mack, the NAACP board member."
Oh, yes it is. What’s the statistic? 97% of the innovators/discoverers/achievers in the field of sciences and arts from the 14th-15th century til the 20th, and the resultant technologies/institutions that have modernized/beautified our world, had/have an ethnic origin in Europe. Germany is smack in the middle of the corresponding map of Origin, and amongst the European groups, the English, Germans, and (Scottish) Celts were/are the most prolific. So, Germanic, German, and Celt reign supreme.
No, that technology is not a product of Carolyn’s ” ethnic and societal heritage.”
No, you mischaracterize again. Not to speak for her, but she seems to embrace the notion that - Man does not live by bread (and hard science/tangible assets) alone. There should be/is more to inform us, accessed from within a spiritual/unknowable, yet somehow perceivable realm, which can sustain us beyond what Science has provided.
It is a product of natural science, for which Carolyn has openly and unequivocally expressed deep hatred and contempt.
No, if we remain ignorant of and oblivious to WHO/WHAT has their tentacles, both covertly and obviously (under the guise of Humanitarian BS/Never Again! BS/One World BS, Racism! BS, White Guilt! BS, etc.), embedded within our various political, cultural, and academic institutions, then there is likely no hope.But, Dave, it ain’t over ‘til the last Saxon is gone.Replies: @grettir, @PhysicistDave
But if you were right, there would be no hope.
Darn it Mrs Tulips, you write so elegantly, with such aplomb and authority. My hat off to you.
Glad to read you backing up Carolyn, who, it seems to me, is simply expressing in her own way the obvious fact that there is much more in life than physics, about which we need to think carefully. And, pace Miller, careful thought is possible outside science.
Glad also to read you starting in on Dewey. It would be wonderful to see a thorough demolition of Dewey, Veblen and that entire crowd. Including the Rockefellers? Reading hints are gratefully received. I envy you your organisation .
Nope -- read Clastres' book.
In a society (historically/typically) lacking in means to implement/enforce “common law,” if you choose to ignore the influential guy, you are forcefully cast-out or marginalized. Maybe you’re executed.
Sure, it is possible that, in a stateless society a ruthless group will get together and bully everyone else: in effect, you will then have a government. But at least it will then be clear what is going on -- that this "government" is just a gang of bullies.
"Under what circumstances is it moral for a group to do that which is not moral for a member of that group to do alone?
...
"It is the key question...A radical question that strikes to the root of the whole dilemma of government. Anyone who answers honestly and abides by all consequences knows where he stands -- and what he will die for.
...
"A rational anarchist believes that concepts such as 'state' and 'society' and 'government' have no existence save as physically exemplified in the acts of self-responsible individuals. He believes that it is impossible to shift blame, share blame, distribute blame... as blame, guilt, responsibility are matters taking place inside human beings singly and nowhere else.
...
"My point is that one person is responsible. Always. If H-bombs exist--and they do--some man controls them. In tern of morals there is no such thing as 'state.' Just men. Individuals. Each responsible for his own acts."
Nope -- you have admitted you are a Nazi, which is antithetical to the principles of the Founders.
the Founding Fathers, whom we both admire (?), found that some semblance of national/state authority was/is necessary for human civilizational progress and prosperity, which certainly includes/enables progress in fields of science and technology
And how is Europe doing nowadays? Indeed since European civilization was destroyed in the Great War between European governments in 1914-18?
I find it interesting that there are no current “stateless” or anarchistic nations comprised of European people...
Education is not schooling. Yes, I have more years of schooling than you, but that really does not matter. The point is that you have done an abysmally poor job of educating yourself.
Why do you continue to insult me by suggesting that I am poorly educated, considering that you, yourself, previously claimed that you are an autodidact?
Well, I don't think his ideas were actually that coherent: he was indeed a socialist of sorts, but, beyond that... the guy was not exactly a systematic thinker! Which makes sense -- progressive education does not encourage systematic thinking.
So, it seems that Dewey was a bit of a communist/Marxist, yes?
For which Carolyn deserves not one single smidgen of credit. At all, Any more than I deserve credit for Beethoven's music or Michael Phelps' swimming achievements, just because we happen to be of the same ethnic groups.[Tip] Oh, yes it is. What’s the statistic? 97% of the innovators/discoverers/achievers in the field of sciences and arts from the 14th-15th century til the 20th, and the resultant technologies/institutions that have modernized/beautified our world, had/have an ethnic origin in Europe. Germany is smack in the middle of the corresponding map of Origin, and amongst the European groups, the English, Germans, and (Scottish) Celts were/are the most prolific. So, Germanic, German, and Celt reign supreme.
[Dave] No, that technology is not a product of Carolyn’s ” ethnic and societal heritage.”
Nope -- Carolyn has expressed deep and profound hostility towards science. For example, earlier she stated:[Tip] No, you mischaracterize again. Not to speak for her, but she seems to embrace the notion that – Man does not live by bread (and hard science/tangible assets) alone. There should be/is more to inform us, accessed from within a spiritual/unknowable, yet somehow perceivable realm, which can sustain us beyond what Science has provided.
[Dave]It is a product of natural science, for which Carolyn has openly and unequivocally expressed deep hatred and contempt.
Can't get much more hostile towards science than that!
My (cy) conclusion: Science and the Scientific Method is a cult. You’ve taught me, Dave, that not only Physics but Science itself is a cult! And someday, the majority of humankind will know it.
Nope — you have admitted you are a Nazi, which is antithetical to the principles of the Founders.
Nope? What does subject admission have to do with an inability to suggest an opinion/analysis on founding principles?
I wasn’t born a “Nazi,” I was made one.
On the founding principles:
Acts Of The First Congress of the United States, 1790
Section 1: Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, that any alien, being a free white person, who shall have resided within the limits and under the jurisdiction of the United States, for the term of two years, may be admitted to become a citizen there of, on application…
So, what happened, Dave?
From the earliest days of the American republic, Jews were technically considered white, at least in a legal sense. Under the Naturalization Act of 1790, they were considered among the “free white persons” who could become citizens. Later laws limited the number of immigrants from certain countries, restrictions which were in part targeted at Jews. But unlike Asian and African immigrants in the late 19th century, Jews retained a claim to being “Caucasian,” meaning they could win full citizenship status based on their putative race. [ The Atlantic]
But Dr. Hasia Diner, a professor at New York University, argues that American Jews didn’t “become” white. Pointing to the Naturalization Act of 1790 and immigration records, Diner says that we are and have always been white.
She is quick to add that we also viewed ourselves as such, “Jews considered themselves a race as well they saw themselves as different and … felt that they had bonds to each other that were very different than non-Jews, who were always called ‘goyim.’”
Jews were always white,” Diner says. “There is never a time when their ability to naturalize and acquire citizenship and acquire a political voice was in jeopardy. It doesn’t mean they didn’t experience discrimination. But they were, by law, white … they could hold office and vote and sit on juries. They could feel pretty confident that the state would protect them. That was just not the case for nonwhite people.”
That’s what happened, Dave – in a nutshell.
For which Carolyn deserves not one single smidgen of credit
I didn’t say she deserves credit. I said the fruits and blessings of western technology/scientific achievement/culture is an aspect of her/our heritage/birthright, the geneses of which are inherent within us upon our inception.
There is no magic dirt, Dave. I guess one could say, WE are the magic dirt. (or clay, as it were…I don’t really know; I’m certain clay is a mistranslation…)
Most English, Germans, and Scots did nothing at all to contribute to modern science.
Oh? Then who did during the 14th century til 20th century? Or, do we start in Sumer and work our way up? God forbid…
Indeed, you don’t even deign to seriously learn about the discoveries we scientists have made or even show respect for our work.
On what information/data do you base this allegation against me?
In the meantime, let me just say, I show my appreciation to you, PhysicistDave, by volunteering as one of your TUR online lab rats…and, I’ll have you know that I adore Richard Dawkins, so there…
And who is this "WE"???[Carolyn] I didn’t say she deserves credit. I said the fruits and blessings of western technology/scientific achievement/culture is an aspect of her/our heritage/birthright, the geneses of which are inherent within us upon our inception.
[Dave] For which Carolyn deserves not one single smidgen of credit
There is no magic dirt, Dave. I guess one could say, WE are the magic dirt. (or clay, as it were…I don’t really know; I’m certain clay is a mistranslation…)
Most certainly not the vast majority of English, Germans, and Scots.[Tip] Oh? Then who did during the 14th century til 20th century? Or, do we start in Sumer and work our way up? God forbid…
[Dave] Most English, Germans, and Scots did nothing at all to contribute to modern science.
Which makes it your fault and which makes you an enemy of the American Republic. Nazism was a totalitarian ideology based on the Führerprinzip, as Hitler went into in great detail in Mein Kampf: this is the exact opposite of the system of limited government and checks and balances established by the Founders.
I wasn’t born a “Nazi,” I was made one.
As I keep trying to explain, libertarian anarchists are not opposed to all forms of hierarchy or authority: we are opposed to coercive forms, such as exercised by the state.
The Leader as servant? Philosophy of Chieftainship? Human uses of power? That reeks of some form of hierarchy, Dave.
Oh, c'mon -- you're kidding, right?[Tip] 1. On what information/data do you base this conclusion?
[Dave] 1. Yes, I have more years of schooling than you…2. The point is that you have done an abysmally poor job of educating yourself.
Again, we see your serious lack of education![Tip] Explain Sweden, Norway, Finland….pre-Diversity, of course (Ah! There’s that pesky genetic component rearing its blonde head again!). And, Dave, I’ve been to Scandinavia and attended school with Scandinavian exchange students…so, keep that in mind when/if you post more condescending slop in an attempt to insult my intelligence….
[Dave] Socialism does not work.
This caught my attention. The biblical "story of Creation" is clearly a myth (possibly of Egyptian origin, not Hebrew) circulated by the non-scientific humans living on the earth at that time. Before metals, objects were "formed" of clay and hardened in the sun until useful for holding water and other substances. This obviously points to the physical body as a vessel for holding that which was more valuable than the vessel itself. So that is how we should view the human body from then until now--as a vessel for the far more valuable spirit. Dave insists the physical body and other objects are "what we are." The scriptures are the scriptures because they remain true & useful even if seemingly outdated. They don't need to be re-translated or changed, just to be seen in the Light of Awareness.Dave's physical science "cult" presently holds that it's only a matter of time when that which cannot be defined by the laws of physical science, will somehow magically be revealed to them. Instead of waiting for that, they would do better to invite the scriptures to reveal their meaning--not just the Judeo and Christian scriptures but the Hindu and Vedanta scriptures also. Since I'm letting go all the way with my sharing lately, I'll go for broke and add that in the last 10 years I've gotten more from Indian sources than any other. Tat Tvam Asi. Look it up...because I'm really not trying to convert anyone.Just to be clear: I am not a Dualist. And even more clear, the only two "religions" I've ever gotten interested in (taken to heart) are Christianity and Hinduism, but not the popular forms, meaning the common church and temple practices, but the philosophical content, if you will. 'Nuff said.Replies: @Tiptoethrutulips
There is no magic dirt, Dave. I guess one could say, WE are the magic dirt. (or clay, as it were…I don’t really know; I’m certain clay is a mistranslation…)
Nope -- read Clastres' book.
In a society (historically/typically) lacking in means to implement/enforce “common law,” if you choose to ignore the influential guy, you are forcefully cast-out or marginalized. Maybe you’re executed.
Sure, it is possible that, in a stateless society a ruthless group will get together and bully everyone else: in effect, you will then have a government. But at least it will then be clear what is going on -- that this "government" is just a gang of bullies.
"Under what circumstances is it moral for a group to do that which is not moral for a member of that group to do alone?
...
"It is the key question...A radical question that strikes to the root of the whole dilemma of government. Anyone who answers honestly and abides by all consequences knows where he stands -- and what he will die for.
...
"A rational anarchist believes that concepts such as 'state' and 'society' and 'government' have no existence save as physically exemplified in the acts of self-responsible individuals. He believes that it is impossible to shift blame, share blame, distribute blame... as blame, guilt, responsibility are matters taking place inside human beings singly and nowhere else.
...
"My point is that one person is responsible. Always. If H-bombs exist--and they do--some man controls them. In tern of morals there is no such thing as 'state.' Just men. Individuals. Each responsible for his own acts."
Nope -- you have admitted you are a Nazi, which is antithetical to the principles of the Founders.
the Founding Fathers, whom we both admire (?), found that some semblance of national/state authority was/is necessary for human civilizational progress and prosperity, which certainly includes/enables progress in fields of science and technology
And how is Europe doing nowadays? Indeed since European civilization was destroyed in the Great War between European governments in 1914-18?
I find it interesting that there are no current “stateless” or anarchistic nations comprised of European people...
Education is not schooling. Yes, I have more years of schooling than you, but that really does not matter. The point is that you have done an abysmally poor job of educating yourself.
Why do you continue to insult me by suggesting that I am poorly educated, considering that you, yourself, previously claimed that you are an autodidact?
Well, I don't think his ideas were actually that coherent: he was indeed a socialist of sorts, but, beyond that... the guy was not exactly a systematic thinker! Which makes sense -- progressive education does not encourage systematic thinking.
So, it seems that Dewey was a bit of a communist/Marxist, yes?
For which Carolyn deserves not one single smidgen of credit. At all, Any more than I deserve credit for Beethoven's music or Michael Phelps' swimming achievements, just because we happen to be of the same ethnic groups.[Tip] Oh, yes it is. What’s the statistic? 97% of the innovators/discoverers/achievers in the field of sciences and arts from the 14th-15th century til the 20th, and the resultant technologies/institutions that have modernized/beautified our world, had/have an ethnic origin in Europe. Germany is smack in the middle of the corresponding map of Origin, and amongst the European groups, the English, Germans, and (Scottish) Celts were/are the most prolific. So, Germanic, German, and Celt reign supreme.
[Dave] No, that technology is not a product of Carolyn’s ” ethnic and societal heritage.”
Nope -- Carolyn has expressed deep and profound hostility towards science. For example, earlier she stated:[Tip] No, you mischaracterize again. Not to speak for her, but she seems to embrace the notion that – Man does not live by bread (and hard science/tangible assets) alone. There should be/is more to inform us, accessed from within a spiritual/unknowable, yet somehow perceivable realm, which can sustain us beyond what Science has provided.
[Dave]It is a product of natural science, for which Carolyn has openly and unequivocally expressed deep hatred and contempt.
Can't get much more hostile towards science than that!
My (cy) conclusion: Science and the Scientific Method is a cult. You’ve taught me, Dave, that not only Physics but Science itself is a cult! And someday, the majority of humankind will know it.
1. Yes, I have more years of schooling than you…2. The point is that you have done an abysmally poor job of educating yourself.
1. On what information/data do you base this conclusion?
2. I’m not sure that’s true, particularly judging from the manner in which you ping-pong in avoidance of actually answering specific questions or offering specific rebuttals to various assertions submitted in opposition to your points of view/suppositions.
Socialism does not work.
Explain Sweden, Norway, Finland….pre-Diversity, of course (Ah! There’s that pesky genetic component rearing its blonde head again!). And, Dave, I’ve been to Scandinavia and attended school with Scandinavian exchange students…so, keep that in mind when/if you post more condescending slop in an attempt to insult my intelligence….
Nope -- read Clastres' book.
In a society (historically/typically) lacking in means to implement/enforce “common law,” if you choose to ignore the influential guy, you are forcefully cast-out or marginalized. Maybe you’re executed.
Sure, it is possible that, in a stateless society a ruthless group will get together and bully everyone else: in effect, you will then have a government. But at least it will then be clear what is going on -- that this "government" is just a gang of bullies.
"Under what circumstances is it moral for a group to do that which is not moral for a member of that group to do alone?
...
"It is the key question...A radical question that strikes to the root of the whole dilemma of government. Anyone who answers honestly and abides by all consequences knows where he stands -- and what he will die for.
...
"A rational anarchist believes that concepts such as 'state' and 'society' and 'government' have no existence save as physically exemplified in the acts of self-responsible individuals. He believes that it is impossible to shift blame, share blame, distribute blame... as blame, guilt, responsibility are matters taking place inside human beings singly and nowhere else.
...
"My point is that one person is responsible. Always. If H-bombs exist--and they do--some man controls them. In tern of morals there is no such thing as 'state.' Just men. Individuals. Each responsible for his own acts."
Nope -- you have admitted you are a Nazi, which is antithetical to the principles of the Founders.
the Founding Fathers, whom we both admire (?), found that some semblance of national/state authority was/is necessary for human civilizational progress and prosperity, which certainly includes/enables progress in fields of science and technology
And how is Europe doing nowadays? Indeed since European civilization was destroyed in the Great War between European governments in 1914-18?
I find it interesting that there are no current “stateless” or anarchistic nations comprised of European people...
Education is not schooling. Yes, I have more years of schooling than you, but that really does not matter. The point is that you have done an abysmally poor job of educating yourself.
Why do you continue to insult me by suggesting that I am poorly educated, considering that you, yourself, previously claimed that you are an autodidact?
Well, I don't think his ideas were actually that coherent: he was indeed a socialist of sorts, but, beyond that... the guy was not exactly a systematic thinker! Which makes sense -- progressive education does not encourage systematic thinking.
So, it seems that Dewey was a bit of a communist/Marxist, yes?
For which Carolyn deserves not one single smidgen of credit. At all, Any more than I deserve credit for Beethoven's music or Michael Phelps' swimming achievements, just because we happen to be of the same ethnic groups.[Tip] Oh, yes it is. What’s the statistic? 97% of the innovators/discoverers/achievers in the field of sciences and arts from the 14th-15th century til the 20th, and the resultant technologies/institutions that have modernized/beautified our world, had/have an ethnic origin in Europe. Germany is smack in the middle of the corresponding map of Origin, and amongst the European groups, the English, Germans, and (Scottish) Celts were/are the most prolific. So, Germanic, German, and Celt reign supreme.
[Dave] No, that technology is not a product of Carolyn’s ” ethnic and societal heritage.”
Nope -- Carolyn has expressed deep and profound hostility towards science. For example, earlier she stated:[Tip] No, you mischaracterize again. Not to speak for her, but she seems to embrace the notion that – Man does not live by bread (and hard science/tangible assets) alone. There should be/is more to inform us, accessed from within a spiritual/unknowable, yet somehow perceivable realm, which can sustain us beyond what Science has provided.
[Dave]It is a product of natural science, for which Carolyn has openly and unequivocally expressed deep hatred and contempt.
Can't get much more hostile towards science than that!
My (cy) conclusion: Science and the Scientific Method is a cult. You’ve taught me, Dave, that not only Physics but Science itself is a cult! And someday, the majority of humankind will know it.
Nope — read Clastres’ book.
Who was Pierre Clastres?
Clastres was born on 17 May 1934, in Paris, France. He studied at the Sorbonne, obtaining a licence in Literature in 1957, and a supérieures spécialisées in Philosophy…He began working in Anthropology after 1956 as a student of Claude Lévi-Strauss –
Gustave Claude Lévi-Strauss was born in 1908 to French-Jewish parents… He grew up in Paris, living on a street of the upscale 16th arrondissement…During the First World War, he lived with his maternal grandfather, who was the Rabbi of Versailles.
From 1918 to 1925 he studied at Lycée Janson de Sailly high school…In his last year (1924), he was introduced to philosophy, including the works of Marx and Kant, and began shifting to the political left…
Here’s what the Jewish Forward says about Gustave: For Lévi-Strauss, as for Boas and other Jewish anthropologists, there was another dimension to being a cultural outsider: It drew them to a sympathetic view of simpler cultures… The young intellectual who probably didn’t feel quite French — whose people were driven into hiding and murdered because of their odd and separate customs — became the fieldworker who penetrated the Amazon forest and recorded the odd customs of even more separate people, respecting and preserving them for posterity.
Clastres’s first book, Chronicle of the Guayaki Indians…, was translated into English by Paul Auster, because he was fascinated by Clastres’s prose, which seemed to combine a “poet’s temperament with a philosopher‘s depth of mind.”
Considered his major work – Society Against the State: The Leader as Servant and the Human Uses of Power Among the Indians of the Americas…(it was republished in 1989 with subtitle – Essays in Political Anthropology, as a collection of essays).
Of the 11 essays, Dave, two were titled accordingly, 1. Philosophy of the Indian Chieftainship; 2. Of Torture in Primitive Societies.
The Leader as servant? Philosophy of Chieftainship? Human uses of power? That reeks of some form of hierarchy, Dave.
Here’s a point of interest: Clastres was accused of stripping Guarani texts [clearly recorded/transcribed by outsiders, as Guarani had no written language] of specific references that did not align with Clastres’s overall theories. The allegation was made by a Paraguayan anthropologist who specialized in Guarani culture.
Here’s more crap from/on the social scientist, Clastres, who clearly meets, precisely, the very definition of the Stupid Gentiles, correctly excoriated by you, who contributed to the downfall of European society, of their own volition, of course, with NO influence, whatsoever, by the viscerally anti-western scholarship and tutelage of Jewish teachers/philosophers/cuckoos in western institutions:
Clastres, however, argued that power does not imply, either coercion or violence, and proposed a ‘Copernican revolution” in political anthropology…[Oh, sure, let’s evoke the conjectures and philosophies of one of the greatest German minds of European science/culture upon an attempt to favorably analyze the customs of a horde of frog-catching, canoe-paddling, hut-building, slave-raiding, squat savages for the purpose of evaluating their cultural/political structure and asserting, ridiculously, that’s it’s superior or even commensurate with our own]
But, then –
Clastres: On their struggle against the State, on keeping their society an egalitarian one, however, they use violent methods: torture and warfare. [A critic, Samuel] Moyn said that Clastres “reinterpret[ed] the violence in primitive society as internal and essential to its self immunization against the rise of the state”… Clastres did not think on it as cruel practice and using Soviet Union penal tattoos on Anatoly Marchenko as example, Clastres affirmed: “It is proof of their admirable depth of mind that the Savages knew all that ahead of time, and took care, at the cost of a terrible cruelty, to prevent the advent of a more terrifying cruelty.” Instead he argued torture in rites of passage had the function of prohibiting inequality:
The law they come to know in pain is the law of primitive society, which says to everyone: You are worth no more than anyone else; you are worth no less than anyone else. The law, inscribed on bodies, expresses primitive society’s refusal to run the risk of division, the risk of a power separate from society itself, a power that would escape its control. Primitive law, cruelly taught, is a prohibition of inequality that each person will remember. — Clastres, “Of Torture in Primitive Societies”
In other words, Dave, the Guarani’s were essentially Bolsheviks. Indeed. No wonder…
Why don’t you read The Rivers Ran East, Leonard Clark, copyright 1953 – “East of the Peruvian Andes, lies the vast rainforest of the Gran Pajonal, laced with white-water rivers and inhabited by savages to whom torture and death are every day matters.”
“From now on, Senor, in all these rivers, you will find headhunters – put out your fires at night; anchor in deep water when you sleep.”
“Jose bent over one of the savages [killed after attacking the peaceful expedition]… he was further recognized… as a renegade curaca, a labor chief named Saki, in the service of a powerful patrone based on the Alto Ucayali…[who] once boasted that he had captured 600 Campa women and children and sold them…”
Tell me, again, Dave, how I don’t understand stateless human societies, particularly those that were scrutinized, analyzed, and admired, generally, by the Useless/Useful Idiot, Pierre Clastres? Or, on how I am utterly incorrect in asserting that Jewish influence has negatively impacted our world views, particularly as it pertains to the actual/observable supremacy of European culture, generally?
On that note, have you ever met such a savage as those loved by Pierre? I have….Comanches are still in Texas, and they worked on the farm of my grandmother’s family. I’ve traveled in South America, as well. Let’s compare notes…
The Indians of the Americas, practically everywhere, lived in a perpetual state of savage and brutal warfare. Not all, of course – the more highly organized tribes of the coastal regions had greater peace and prosperity amongst themselves, however they were constantly subjected to the predations of the relatively unorganized, therefore more wantonly savage, tribes, who were constantly in search of greater resources/plunder, which was likely necessitated by their lack of organization regarding resource management. That said, the Aztecs and Mayas, were highly organized, yet quite savage towards the other bands in their region – lots of yanking-out of beating hearts to please the Sun – perhaps it comes down to a genetic component with regard to how a society ultimately manages itself – in any case, I think Dave Miller doth protest too much…
It's libertarian because it is a corollary of freedom of speech: in a free country, you have to earn the approval -- or disapproval -- of your fellow citizens: it is not automatic. And freedom of speech guarantees their right to express that approval or disapproval loudly and publicly. Indeed, there is not much else point to freedom of speech, now is there?
You say that you think it is “morally wrong” to use mind-altering “recreational” drugs, and for a woman to prostitute herself. For these moral failures you recommend passing moral judgment on such people, and stating that judgment publicly, as long as physical force or the threat of force is not used, Oh, what a lovely society that would be to live in! Let’s all go around passing moral judgment on “other people.” And let’s all pressure one another to do the same, have the same identical beliefs about it. Obvious question: How is that libertarian-ism according to the vast majority of most people’s understanding? It’s actually authoritarianism, but also impossible to accomplish.
That's the issue all right: shall the rules of morality be imposed by government via the physical threat of prison or even execution or shall morality be negotiated freely through voluntary social approval or disapproval among free people?
Don’t you know that the reason for laws issued by government is so that individuals don’t have to busybody into their neighbors’ lives, causing ill-feelings, anger and disruption to social peace?
Yes, that is indeed the "old familiar refrain," isn't it? Because that is how all normal human beings feel.
[Carolyn] For instance, when I object (correctly) that someone who really believes what you say you do about death and consciousness would not care what happens to the world after they die, you answer with the old familiar refrain:
[Dave] we care about what happens to [our two daughters] when we are gone — we do planning in terms of our will, etc.
You find that strange?
Now of course the entire human race are not my children, and so I do not care about each one as much as I care about my kids. But, still… eight billion humans now and many billions to come in the future… yeah, I do care about the future after I am gone.
You think there is something wrong with the fact that my wife and I "care about what happens to [our two daughters] when we are gone — we do planning in terms of our will, etc."? You think they dislike the idea that we hope to bequeath them some inheritances when we die? I think they rather like the idea, for obvious reasons!
Sorry, but there is no rationality in this at all. It’s purely manipulative. Your daughters are deeply into adulthood; you say you’ve taught them well; you have to consider they are as capable as you’ve been of making their own decisions. (I do wonder what they would say about all this.)
What a strange thing to say! No, when I no longer exist “they” will indeed still exist -- almost all of those much younger than me now and their offspring and so on for a very long time. And it is not true that I "cannot 'care' about them, even now while [I'm] still cognizant," since, as a matter of fact, I do care about them.
As to the 8 billion other humans you “care” about, no, if you’re totally extinguished you cannot “care” about them, even now while you’re still cognizant. Has it not occurred to you, as a physicist, that when you no longer exist, “they” won’t either? Kaput! All gone.
I have said nothing of the sort -- you are lying. I have said that since childhood I have had a deep and abiding hatred of lies. That is not speaking for others, it is speaking against them when they lie.
Parting thought: You like to speak for everyone; you can’t just speak for yourself. This has been evident since childhood, as you have told us.
You are claiming that “far greater beings” communicate some sort of messages or knowledge to you telepathically, as you say, it's "a kind of thought transmission."
I’ve already told you there are no voices. It’s a kind of thought transmission.
And for you,
who are a self-proclaimed National Socialist and an outspoken admirer of Adolf Hitler
, to accuse libertarians of “authoritarianism”… well, it shows you do retain a sense of humor… You’ve made clear which you prefer: the policy of National Socialism.
I, too, am an admirer of National Socialist Germany and Adolf Hitler. The necessity and correctness of National Socialism was a response to the dire/exponentially downward-spiraling conditions of Germany/Europe, particularly post-WW1, and generally due to the economic and cultural emancipation of Jewry throughout Europe by the mid-1800s (England had long been subjected; Russia was the primary hold-out against emancipation by the late 1800s – “*At the Congress of Berlin in 1878,* Rumania was opened to Jewry. On Russia, Jewry did not yet dare to make the same demand. This is yet to come.” [The Triumph of Judaism Over Germanism, Wilhelm Marr, 1879 (*somewhat paraphrased)] – come it did, poor Russia…The authoritarian nature of NS Germany was crucial considering the task at hand; by 1933, America and all of Europe were under significant alien influences.
I have watched/listened to the testimony of 50+ Jewish Shoah “survivors,” and the economic prosperity/wealth accumulation they ALL described after WW1 was astonishing; for some it was already generational. The methods by which European Jews were able to acquire extraordinary abundance/affluence during/post WW1, whilst Europeans, generally, were sifting and hobbling through the ruins, is outlined ( and predicted) in the manifesto of the First Anti-Jewish Congress in Dresden of 1882. Adolf Hitler was well aware of what had happened/was happening in Germany/Europe, and he openly proclaimed his intention to thwart further subjugation by alien agendas through speculative finance, usury, etc. He remained true to his mission, and the results he produced via a policy of Germans First! were problematic as examples to the rest of the western world on what was possible without subservience to the emerging global status quo.
The American tradition is for morality to be decided by free social interaction, free expression of social approval or disapproval. I stand with America.
Ha! Tell that to the brown and black Americans, who care NOT for the traditions and mores of Eurocentric! society. The Jews/Israel love Eurocentric America to the extent they profit and prosper within it; those who truly appreciate it for what it was, typically support Jewish hegemony, as do most other groups, excepting Whites. THEY are all Cuckoos in America/Europe, at least in the big picture. Considering the current demographic situation of America, the Only Solution is a form of European/White National Socialism.
That simple fact is why they, whomever they are, lie incessantly (i.e., the holocaust) over what National Socialism was and what was actually done in its name.
Worth a watch; you won’t watch, but if you do, note that the attempts to open American and European society to regular importation of The Other began well before 1945:
The Inner-Workings of World Jewry…Ep. 2
There is a huge literature on this: the point is that if I feel like ignoring the state -- say, by not paying taxes -- the state will put me in jail. But in many stateless societies, if you choose to ignore the influential guy in the group... well, the others may try to convince you to go along with him. Or not. But in many such societies, no, they will not use physical force to compel you to obey. If you want a specific place to go into this, try Clastrtes' classic Society Against the State, but again there is a huge literature, far more than I can possibly detail here.I am well aware that these well-known facts are not presented to you in the (government-run) American educational institutions. You think maybe there is a reason for that?Tip also asked:
What do anthropologists tell us about the bands of humans once wandering about stateless? No chiefs? No lead huntsmen?
It goes back to White Gentiles in the Progressive Era and earlier -- John Dewey, to take a concrete example. It just plain was not "the Jews."Why? Multiple reasons, but, to me, the most salient one is that it is a matter of rebellion against natural science: science has wiped out earlier false and corrupt systems of thought, but learning science is hard. Really, really hard. So, an obvious response is to dumb down the curriculum.A lot.Tip also wrote:
So, why does a nation deliberately lower the standards of education for their populace? – why is America dumbing-down their own people/their own future leaders and innovators?…It makes no sense, unless…it’s deliberate, and it’s of malicious intent.
Well, a lot of my ancestors, Old Stock Americans, were quite convinced that the problem was indeed the Irish influx! Read about the "Know-Nothing" party.Tip also wrote:
The problem ain’t the Irish influx, Dave.
No, that technology is not a product of Carolyn's " ethnic and societal heritage." It is a product of natural science, for which Carolyn has openly and unequivocally expressed deep hatred and contempt.And that does indeed prove that Carolyn is, quite possibly, the biggest hypocrite I have ever encountered in my long life.And, again, the bizarre claims that you and the other members of the Jew-hating cult here make are belied by the simple facts: look at the Jewish proportion of the Congress, the Supreme Court, past Presidents, etc. And, yes, I know the theory is that the Jews secretly pull the levers of power behind the scenes. Then name one single example from human history in which a very small minority ethnic group controlled a much larger society without having open control of the forces of coercion -- the army and the police.I know of none. Do you?You cultists think the Jews are essentially superhuman, truly uniquely talented, in all of human history, at secretly seizing power in a large society.If you were right, wouldn't resistance truly be futile? How could one ever overthrow rulers this brilliant and clever?Fortunately, the actual evidence shows that Jewish Zionists -- because of the support of the much more numerous Christian Zionists among whom I myself grew up -- have managed to largely control US policy in the Mideast. But the evidence does not show that they control the whole society.And, since their power is focused simply on this one area, and since they need the support of their Christian Zionist foot soldiers, there is hope to overcome them on the matter of Mideast policy.But if you were right, there would be no hope.At all.DaveReplies: @geokat62, @Tiptoethrutulips[Tip] Well, why would/should she? The current technological advances/utilities/devices are a product of her/our ethnic and societal heritage, and furthermore, you are mischaracterizing what she asserted.
[Dave] Mty main argument with Carolyn was pointing out that…people like Carolyn who argue that the net value of technology is negative but who then continue to use everything from computers and the Internet…are simply hypocrites. If she really believed that, she could and would go “off-grid,” disappear into the wilderness, and avoid technology altogether. But of course she won’t.
1. But in many stateless societies, if you choose to ignore the influential guy in the group…2. I am well aware that these well-known facts are not presented to you in the (government-run) American educational institutions
1. In a society (historically/typically) lacking in means to implement/enforce “common law,” if you choose to ignore the influential guy, you are forcefully cast-out or marginalized. Maybe you’re executed. Of course, another option is to leave of your own volition and live in isolation or start your own group, wherein another hierarchy is established in accordance with your Weltanschauung.
I find it interesting that there are no current “stateless” or anarchistic nations comprised of European peoples, however that’s not the case for ALL other ethnic groups. So, we must be on to something, because all other ethnic groups seem to clamor to live amongst us, as their communities are mostly shit-holes by European standards…the Founding Fathers, whom we both admire (?), found that some semblance of national/state authority was/is necessary for human civilizational progress and prosperity, which certainly includes/enables progress in fields of science and technology. Anarchy was never the ideal; small/limited government is the ideal amongst a Like People, just as the founders indicated.
2. Why do you continue to insult me by suggesting that I am poorly educated, considering that you, yourself, previously claimed that you are an autodidact? I have repeatedly said that our education system is practically useless, which I recognized whilst still immersed in it. So, neither of us relied, ultimately, on Organized Academia, to form our opinions/positions. And? Perhaps you mean to say I am too stupid to understand you?
But, yes, as I have previously asserted, there seems to be some sort of organized effort in American/European society to keep the masses ignorant and uninformed. The question is – did the objective change from simply keeping the masses mollified, and therefore more easily governed, to causing us to turn-in on ourselves and against our national identities/cultures for the purpose of rendering us helpless/unwilling to defend ourselves against the arrival of that Mocha Melting Pot? It is certainly more complex an issue than a simple juxtaposition of those two opposing agendas, but I contend that the insertion/acceptance of aliens, who often bring malevolent intent/concepts/ideals into our various institutions, and who upon ascendancy, then use our high-trust, open, fair, charitable, and individualistic customs/mores against us, has/is causing our ultimate and willful ruination.
It goes back to White Gentiles in the Progressive Era and earlier — John Dewey, to take a concrete example. It just plain was not “the Jews.”
We agree, Dewey was, generally, a disaster (I think he pilfered from Maria Montessori, btw), but I found no evidence that he held a disdain for European society, per se. And, I agree, it’s more complicated than just “the Jews.” Yet…
So, it seems that Dewey was a bit of a communist/Marxist, yes? Ah! Communism and Marxism, of which the inception and proliferation through terror/violence and/or education, was brought to the fore throughout Europa by those pesky Saxons? Please, Dave…
Here’s what I found on Dewey –
*[Dewey] Worried about working for a university dedicated to laissez-faire capitalism, Dewey found himself becoming more of a populist, more of a socialist, more sympathetic to the settlement house pioneered by Jane Addams, and more skeptical of his childhood Christianity.
*In China, he was called a “second Confucius.” [Is that true, Dave? I wonder why the education system in China failed to succumb to the nit-wit social platitudes within his educational dogmas?]
*Arriving in Chicago during the strike, he mused, “I am something of an anarchist.”
*He socialized with radicals in Greenwich Village. [Lots of Jews were therein, and radical Jewry has a much different flavor than radical Gael-ery.]
* He favored community, equality, activity, freedom. He had no use for McGuffey Readers, designed to instill character, patriotism, and love of God. He believed in unions, strikes, government planning, and redistribution of income. [Freedom to redistribute income?]
*He supported efforts that led to the founding of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People and the American Civil Liberties Union. [Surprise, surprise! Need I inform you of the disproportionate ethnic composition of the founders/officers/funders of both organizations?]
Here’s what Marcus Garvey knew about the NAACP: In 1917, early Black nationalist Marcus Garvey became famous for storming out of the NAACP’s headquarters proclaiming to be “dumbfounded” by the apparent domination of Whites. These “Whites” included Board Chairman Joel Spingarn, his brother Arthur who was pro bono counsel, Herbert Lehman of the Executive Committee, Arthur Sachs, Herbert Seligmann – director of public relations, and his secretary Martha Gruening. All Jewish. In later years, Jews had their revenge when Garvey ran into trouble with the law concerning his part-ownership of a steam line business. “I am being punished for the crime of the Jew Silverstone, an agent of the Black Star line,” he complained. “I was persecuted by Maxwell Mattuck, another Jew, and I am to be sentenced by Judge Julian Mack, the NAACP board member.”
Dave, the “Conspiracy Theory” reveals itself.
No, that technology is not a product of Carolyn’s ” ethnic and societal heritage.”
Oh, yes it is. What’s the statistic? 97% of the innovators/discoverers/achievers in the field of sciences and arts from the 14th-15th century til the 20th, and the resultant technologies/institutions that have modernized/beautified our world, had/have an ethnic origin in Europe. Germany is smack in the middle of the corresponding map of Origin, and amongst the European groups, the English, Germans, and (Scottish) Celts were/are the most prolific. So, Germanic, German, and Celt reign supreme.
It is a product of natural science, for which Carolyn has openly and unequivocally expressed deep hatred and contempt.
No, you mischaracterize again. Not to speak for her, but she seems to embrace the notion that – Man does not live by bread (and hard science/tangible assets) alone. There should be/is more to inform us, accessed from within a spiritual/unknowable, yet somehow perceivable realm, which can sustain us beyond what Science has provided.
But if you were right, there would be no hope.
No, if we remain ignorant of and oblivious to WHO/WHAT has their tentacles, both covertly and obviously (under the guise of Humanitarian BS/Never Again! BS/One World BS, Racism! BS, White Guilt! BS, etc.), embedded within our various political, cultural, and academic institutions, then there is likely no hope.
But, Dave, it ain’t over ‘til the last Saxon is gone.
Nope -- read Clastres' book.
In a society (historically/typically) lacking in means to implement/enforce “common law,” if you choose to ignore the influential guy, you are forcefully cast-out or marginalized. Maybe you’re executed.
Sure, it is possible that, in a stateless society a ruthless group will get together and bully everyone else: in effect, you will then have a government. But at least it will then be clear what is going on -- that this "government" is just a gang of bullies.
"Under what circumstances is it moral for a group to do that which is not moral for a member of that group to do alone?
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"It is the key question...A radical question that strikes to the root of the whole dilemma of government. Anyone who answers honestly and abides by all consequences knows where he stands -- and what he will die for.
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"A rational anarchist believes that concepts such as 'state' and 'society' and 'government' have no existence save as physically exemplified in the acts of self-responsible individuals. He believes that it is impossible to shift blame, share blame, distribute blame... as blame, guilt, responsibility are matters taking place inside human beings singly and nowhere else.
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"My point is that one person is responsible. Always. If H-bombs exist--and they do--some man controls them. In tern of morals there is no such thing as 'state.' Just men. Individuals. Each responsible for his own acts."
Nope -- you have admitted you are a Nazi, which is antithetical to the principles of the Founders.
the Founding Fathers, whom we both admire (?), found that some semblance of national/state authority was/is necessary for human civilizational progress and prosperity, which certainly includes/enables progress in fields of science and technology
And how is Europe doing nowadays? Indeed since European civilization was destroyed in the Great War between European governments in 1914-18?
I find it interesting that there are no current “stateless” or anarchistic nations comprised of European people...
Education is not schooling. Yes, I have more years of schooling than you, but that really does not matter. The point is that you have done an abysmally poor job of educating yourself.
Why do you continue to insult me by suggesting that I am poorly educated, considering that you, yourself, previously claimed that you are an autodidact?
Well, I don't think his ideas were actually that coherent: he was indeed a socialist of sorts, but, beyond that... the guy was not exactly a systematic thinker! Which makes sense -- progressive education does not encourage systematic thinking.
So, it seems that Dewey was a bit of a communist/Marxist, yes?
For which Carolyn deserves not one single smidgen of credit. At all, Any more than I deserve credit for Beethoven's music or Michael Phelps' swimming achievements, just because we happen to be of the same ethnic groups.[Tip] Oh, yes it is. What’s the statistic? 97% of the innovators/discoverers/achievers in the field of sciences and arts from the 14th-15th century til the 20th, and the resultant technologies/institutions that have modernized/beautified our world, had/have an ethnic origin in Europe. Germany is smack in the middle of the corresponding map of Origin, and amongst the European groups, the English, Germans, and (Scottish) Celts were/are the most prolific. So, Germanic, German, and Celt reign supreme.
[Dave] No, that technology is not a product of Carolyn’s ” ethnic and societal heritage.”
Nope -- Carolyn has expressed deep and profound hostility towards science. For example, earlier she stated:[Tip] No, you mischaracterize again. Not to speak for her, but she seems to embrace the notion that – Man does not live by bread (and hard science/tangible assets) alone. There should be/is more to inform us, accessed from within a spiritual/unknowable, yet somehow perceivable realm, which can sustain us beyond what Science has provided.
[Dave]It is a product of natural science, for which Carolyn has openly and unequivocally expressed deep hatred and contempt.
Can't get much more hostile towards science than that!
My (cy) conclusion: Science and the Scientific Method is a cult. You’ve taught me, Dave, that not only Physics but Science itself is a cult! And someday, the majority of humankind will know it.
Most human institutions do not involve coercion but are voluntary. For example, I have been a member of various vocal groups -- I voluntarily joined and could leave whenever I wished. Same thing for the grocery stores I shop at, the friends I associate with, the employers I have worked for, etc. Again and again I have simply chosen to work for another employer, shop at another grocery store, etc., and never has the previous employer or grocery store tried to force me to continue paying money to them or working for them.But if I decide, as I certainly do believe, that the US government is just a huge rip-off scheme, I still have to keep paying them money -- a lot of money! -- or they will put me in jail.And we all know why, now don't we? Government exists to loot the productive members of society and hand the loot over to the members of the government and their supporters. Anthropologists tell us that most human societies that have ever existed lacked the institution of the state -- it was invented five or six millennia ago as a way of systematically looting the productive members of the populace.All normal people speak of the government with a certain degree of derision and contempt. But it is considered a bit déclassé to just come out and say they are all a bunch of crooks.But isn't that the real truth?Tip also wrote:[Tip] Hierarchies exist amongst all living creatures and in all aspects of life, whether naturally occurring or constructed; they will never be eliminated, ultimately. I suppose coercive hierarchies are an aspect specific to humans/human nature
[Dave] coercive hierarchies are not inevitable, but the bureaucratized, militarized, professionalized, credentialized institutions created…did indeed produce coercive hierarchies.
Do you really believe it is "for the greater good" rather than for the good of those who get to receive the loot?If you do, I have a bridge I would like to sell you!The founding ideal of the American Republic, especially among the Jeffersonians, was that decent, responsible people do not need "humans [who] rule over us." Each responsible individual and each family are capable of ruling themselves. And that is largely what happened in the free states prior to the War Between the States. Sure, there are always a handful of common criminals who must be dealt with somehow, and you can argue that we need a (very small) government to deal with them.As Thoreau began his famous Essay:
We all toe the (their) line for the greater good of a society/civilization; and unfortunately, human nature is what it is, and we live in an organized society, so we need to carefully select which humans rule over us and who lives amongst us.
That is the attitude of my forefathers.Perhaps not of yours.Tip also wrote:
I heartily accept the motto, "That government is best which governs least"; and I should like to see it acted up to more rapidly and systematically. Carried out, it finally amounts to this, which also I believe- "That government is best which governs not at all"; and when men are prepared for it, that will be the kind of government which they will have. Government is at best but an expedient; but most governments are usually, and all governments are sometimes, inexpedient. The objections which have been brought against a standing army, and they are many and weighty, and deserve to prevail, may also at last be brought against a standing government. The standing army is only an arm of the standing government. The government itself, which is only the mode which the people have chosen to execute their will, is equally liable to be abused and perverted before the people can act through it.
I taught myself -- for example, I taught myself Einstein's Special Theory of Relativity in seventh grade.Of course,, given the corrupt structure of our society, I knew that I had better get pieces of paper from some esteemed institutions proving that I knew what I knew, and so I got those pieces of paper from Caltech and Stanford. All of which was quite relaxing, since I had basically taught myself: Caltech was the most academically selective and demanding college in the country according to standardized test scores (verbal as well as math), but I graduated with a 4.0, as top student in the division of math, physics, and astronomy. And I found the experience relaxing. Teaching yourself is the way to go.Tip also asked:
So, from which professionalized/credentialized institution did you learn physics? These academic institutions are also a product of an organized human civilization, yes?
Yes, and the historical details matter and are very, very well documented: it was caused by White Gentiles, largely by "my people," Old Stock Americans.Tip also wrote:
The upward/progressive trajectory of our once beneficial institutions, like that of our Constitutional Republic, has taken a downward/backwards turn lately, yes?
Mty main argument with Carolyn was pointing out that technological creations, especially those that have horrendous results such as nuclear weapons, prove that scientists do indeed know deep facts about reality that no other method ever invented by human beings has ever uncovered.However, it is also true that people like Carolyn who argue that the net value of technology is negative but who then continue to use everything from computers and the Internet to fridges and electric washing machines, all of which are in fact technology based on natural science, are simply hypocrites. If she really believed that, she could and would go "off-grid," disappear into the wilderness, and avoid technology altogether.But of course she won't.Tip also wrote:
I don’t argue against natural science or science, in general. We must take the good aspects of innovations in science and technology with the bad, although I think our scientific progress has become somewhat corrupted/destructive particularly in the medical/pharmaceutical fields. Sharing the technologies with the tempest-tossed is problematic, too. Furthermore, the communication/surveillance technologies, which we willingly use today for the “sake of convenience,” will be used against us by our obviously rogue government and the Oligarchs who collude with/support the rogue Deep State that you often mention.
Of course, Prohibition was just one example: it's also the Fed, the income tax, the Deep State, the globalist foreign policy, progressive education, cartelization in various professions (medicine, lawyers, etc.), the whole higher-education fraud, and on and on and on.And if you look into the actual historical details of everything I just mentioned, you will find that their origins are largely Gentile.Facts matter.You Jew-haters list some powerful and influential Jews and then conclude that Jews run the country and the world. But you could equally list some powerful Americans of Irish descent, of Italian descent, or whatever.If you actually dig into the historical origins of the institutions I just listed, you really will find those origins to be predominantly Gentile.Why do you personally hate the Jews so much? There must be some reason -- some Jewish guy assaulted you or something?As I keep saying, some Jewish Zionist professors at Stanford forced me to leave academia because i had publicly criticized Israel. But I did not jump from that personal experience to the false conclusion that Jews control the country.So why do you hate the Jews, rather than hating the overwhelmingly White Gentile ruling elite who have in fact wrecked our country?Frankly, you are just playing into their hands:they really do not care that you hate the Jews as long as you do not blame the ruling elite, the parasitic verbalist overclass, as a whole, who are still largely White Gentiles.Anyway, Happy New Year!DaveReplies: @Carolyn Yeager, @Tiptoethrutulips
And, you seem to think that busybody-Lesbian-WhiteLadies and Teetotalers inflict more damage to American/European society than this...I simply fail to see how prohibition had the same deleterious effect on us as this:
Dave, it has not escaped my notice that you refuse to specifically answer/address the pointed allegations/assertions I put forth in our commentary, such as:
abolish the Fed, wipe out the Deep State, etc.
I do not disagree here. Can you admit that from inception, both institutions were/are infested with busybody-Jews to a disproportionate degree?
Or:
Yes, the evangelical Christians stupidly collude with Judea against their own nations, and I despise them for their stupid beliefs and actions, but Europe is facing precisely the same issues as we are in America, and Europe is not evangelical, so…what’s going on?
And,
So, why does a nation deliberately lower the standards of education for their populace? – why is America dumbing-down their own people/their own future leaders and innovators?…It makes no sense, unless…it’s deliberate, and it’s of malicious intent.
Anthropologists tell us that most human societies that have ever existed lacked the institution of the state
What do anthropologists tell us about the bands of humans once wandering about stateless? No chiefs? No lead huntsmen? No revered medicine men? No captives in servitude? Please, Dave – call it what you want – hierarchy, pecking order, pack leader, Mother Nature, resource acquisition/guarding, Might is Right, etc. – some sort of defined structure will always emerge, and for general survival or prosperity, a structure is needed for basic security and societal cohesion. The ability to choose a grocery store or an employer can and does exist in a duly-governed, prosperous, and well-organized society, but that’s NOT the crux of the issue – the issue is – how do People, generally, govern themselves, and how are opposing viewpoints and objectives to be handled? For European society, as we know it, there is a distinct genetic component to the workable solutions for this particular dilemma of governance, self or otherwise, which you, of course, deny.
But it is considered a bit déclassé to just come out and say they are all a bunch of crooks. But isn’t that the real truth?
It certainly seems to be true. I don’t suggest that Puritans and WASPS are wholly innocent of crookery. I submit that the scope and breadth of “White” crookery is generally less destructive, less wanton, and less visceral than that of other population groups. Has the political/cultural state in America been improved by the loosening of our political/cultural/ethnic mores in the last few decades, or has said loosening, via alien “emancipation,” caused an exponential decline?
The real truth, as I see it, is that the body of our constitutional republic has been infiltrated and turned against us. We would not be where we are if the initial constraints regarding political power and citizenship had been maintained. The problem ain’t the Irish influx, Dave.
that the US government is just a huge rip-off scheme, I still have to keep paying them money
So, how did the USA manage to hobble along for over a century without the Federal Reserve or a Federal Income Tax? I assume you are familiar with the details of the establishment of same; don’t you think there was a bit of sneak occurring on Christmas Eve Eve in 1913? Anyway, there had been previous attempts for the establishment of a central bank and wealth/income tax (Wilson-Gorman, 1894), but all were struck down, repeatedly. What changed? Perhaps the ethnic makeup of the wielders of money-power and influence, particularly of those with global connections/networks and converging interests, changed and grew in number, such that a new (underlying) sensibility and objective for our nation came into being?
There was only one alien group arriving to America in the 1800s and early 1900s with the capacity to affect such change and influence.
Why, then, was the Immigration Act of 1924 deemed necessary at that time considering that the Naturalization Act of 1790 had theretofore been sufficient? As usual of late, a Jewish person was needed to inform Anglo-Saxon/Mayflower America on what was wrong with their nation:
Emmanuel Celler, in the United States House of Representatives…from March 1923 to January 1973… chaired the House Committee on the Judiciary…and was a leading advocate for the liberalization of immigration and naturalization laws, from his early stand against the Immigration Act of 1924 to his sponsorship of the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965… he ushered the major civil rights legislation including the Civil Rights Act of 1964, Voting Rights Act of 1965…
This national origin system was structured to preserve the ethnic and religious identity of the United States by reducing immigration from Eastern and Southern Europe, thereby excluding many Jews…Celler opposed…the isolationists in 1943…he called the immigration policy, “cold and cruel”…Celler was also a Zionist who supported the recognition of Israel…[Wiki]
Trust me, Dave, Celler did not have a bee in his bonnet over a dearth of Italians, Spaniards, or Greeks arriving, en masse, to America. He didn’t give a rat’s ass about the plight of Negroes in America, either, beyond their capacity to vote against White/European rule/interests.
Frankly, you are just playing into their hands
Yes, that’s what we are told – opposition is exactly what They want! Why? Because antisemitism is good for the Jews! Why? Because it strengthens their claims of perpetual oppression and guiltless victimhood. How so? Because the history of Jewish perfidy and disproportionate involvement in sinful actions attributed solely to Europeans is relatively unknown. Why? Largely because they have captured news, media, and publishing industries due to a vast accumulation of global wealth….on and on it goes. So, leave them be! Don’t look for “stereotypical” patterns, you bigots! Sure…
Do you know what else is good for the Jews? Here’s what:
Jewish World
“Islamization of Europe a good thing”
Rabbi Baruch Efrati believes Jews should, “rejoice at the fact that Europe is paying for what it did to us for hundreds of years by losing its identity.” He praises Islam for promoting modesty, respect for God.
[Kobi Nahshoni, Published: 11.11.12/Israel Jewish Scene]Berliner Seitung , January 16, 2023 [in excerpt]
[Headline]: Behzad K. Khani on New Year’s Eve: Integrate your damn selves!
By Behzad Karim KhaniAnd frankly: who can blame them [immigrants] for not being eager to fully identify with your [German/European] society?
You may have guessed it: this is about New Year’s Eve [a mass sexual assault event]…The street that we in Kreuzberg and Neukölln lovingly call the Gaza Strip. The street that once inspired one of my Israeli friends to remark, jokingly and not entirely without glee: “The Arabs are the Jews’ revenge against the Germans.”
I think we have reached a point now where we can acknowledge certain obvious realities… Let’s start with the simple observation that we – migrants, foreigners, people of color… call us what you want – will not be going away anytime soon. And neither will you, dear bio-Deutsche. Well, demographically speaking, you are definitely going away…We migrants will probably inherit this country…
Do you really believe that America is not in the same boat as Europe? I wonder what Alejandro Mayorkas, former Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society and US Border Security guru says about what the Bio-Deutsch did to his People?
Why do you personally hate the Jews so much? There must be some reason — some Jewish guy assaulted you or something?
No, I was never assaulted by a Jewish person. I wouldn’t categorize my feelings/opinions as personal hatred. I am hardly the only person to conclude that Jews, generally, are havoc-bringers, extraordinaire, to European society, and they operate on opposing sides of the havoc wielding:
At home it became more and more clear that we harboured men who ate the bread of our soil under the protection of Hungarian soldiers, who drank the water of our wells and slept peacefully, whilst putting forth every possible effort to make us lose the war.
The overthrow of authority and of traditions are the necessary preliminaries to the destruction of a nation.
The crowd approved and failed to notice that the Semitic race was only to be found at the two ends of the queue, and that not a single representative of it could be seen as a buyer among the crowding, the poor, and the starving…. This was symbolical, a condensed picture of Budapest. The sellers, the agitators, were Jews. The buyers and the misguided were the people of the capital.
[…] the newspapers wrote long articles about the Spanish “flu.” The epidemic was serious, people met their friends at funerals, but the newspapers exaggerated intentionally; they published alarming statistics and reported that the undertakers could not cope with the situation…The panic-stricken crowd could scarcely think of anything else. The terror of the epidemic was everywhere, and the greater terror which threatened, the brewing revolution, was hidden by it. The press, as if working to order, hypnotised the public with the ghost of the epidemic while it belittled the misfortunes of the unfortunate nation and rocked its anxiety to sleep by raising foolish, false hopes of a good peace…
Then something suddenly dawned on me: in this paper a victorious race was exulting over the fall of a defeated nation! And the defeated, the insulted nation was my own!… So they hated us as much as all that, they, who lived among us as if they were part of us. Why? What have we done to them? They were free, they were powerful, they fared better with us than in any other country. And yet they rejoiced that we should disappear in dishonour, in shame, in defeat.
I threw the newspaper away—It was an enemy. [An Outlaw’s Diary, Cécile Tormay, October 9, 2022]
Patterns, Dave, patterns….Germany held its first international conference in opposition to organized Jewry in Dresden on September 11, 1882 – I’m sure there’s no interesting or curiously recognizable pattern there…
Tormay was an eyewitness to the incursions of the Bolsheviks/Reds who entered into Hungary both during and in the aftermath of WW1 with the support/assistance of “assimilated” Hungarian Jewry. Perhaps you could give her published diary a read?
So why do you hate the Jews, rather than hating the overwhelmingly White Gentile ruling elite who have in fact wrecked our country?
I have explained already.
Why do you conflate White Nationalism with gratuitous hatred and bigotry?
In any event, White Gentiles are my People, and that’s where my loyalty lies.
You Jew-haters list some powerful and influential Jews and then conclude that Jews run the country and the world. But you could equally list some powerful Americans of Irish descent, of Italian descent, or whatever.
Of course, Anglo-Saxons and the Irish ruled America, entirely, at one time. The same can be said for every European nation, generally, at one time. Regarding world rule, a world diaspora is needed, yes? Only Whites and Jews, in recent history, have accomplished the feat of global rule/influence, yes? Which group has managed to retain their rule/influence?
So, give me the name of one American of Irish or Italian descent, who operated in America prior to, say, 1900, whose political or cultural machinations had a permanently deleterious effect on America. Give me the name of one American of Irish or Italian descent who did the same after 1900, and let’s see if we can discern any mitigating factors in their nation-wrecking conduct.
Do you really believe it is “for the greater good” rather than for the good of those who get to receive the loot?
No, not necessarily, and I didn’t say that it was always honest or well-meaning. I said that particular types, such as Bolsheviks/Vulture Capitalists (aka disproportionately Jewish) and the WhiteLady-Lesbian Addams, meddle, compulsively, in society, insisting we toe their line via claims that their meddling is for the greater good, i.e., Fink (J)/Blackrock says – I (we) can demand greater social change for even more diversity and inclusion in American culture/politics, which I (we) am/are able to enforce because of the loosening of societal/governmental/venture and speculative capital constraints, which we non-Gentiles hysterically demanded, and now that we have ascended, I (we) will close the avenues for opposing the new constraints we are establishing/have established that prevents the specific pale Gentile group who suddenly deigns to defy/protest against our version of the Greater Good, which is anything that’s Bad For Whites, Primarily (or Amalek/Edom, ultimately), like AIPAC or American/Israeli dual citizenship, open borders, etc. – I’m paraphrasing, of course.
I think the differences, practically and ideologically, between what LesbianLadies and FinkPeople can accomplish/have accomplished, to our detriment, defies belief. You are a perfect example of that conundrum…
Mty main argument with Carolyn was pointing out that…people like Carolyn who argue that the net value of technology is negative but who then continue to use everything from computers and the Internet…are simply hypocrites. If she really believed that, she could and would go “off-grid,” disappear into the wilderness, and avoid technology altogether. But of course she won’t.
Well, why would/should she? The current technological advances/utilities/devices are a product of her/our ethnic and societal heritage, and furthermore, you are mischaracterizing what she asserted.
Happy New Year to you, Dave.
There is a huge literature on this: the point is that if I feel like ignoring the state -- say, by not paying taxes -- the state will put me in jail. But in many stateless societies, if you choose to ignore the influential guy in the group... well, the others may try to convince you to go along with him. Or not. But in many such societies, no, they will not use physical force to compel you to obey. If you want a specific place to go into this, try Clastrtes' classic Society Against the State, but again there is a huge literature, far more than I can possibly detail here.I am well aware that these well-known facts are not presented to you in the (government-run) American educational institutions. You think maybe there is a reason for that?Tip also asked:
What do anthropologists tell us about the bands of humans once wandering about stateless? No chiefs? No lead huntsmen?
It goes back to White Gentiles in the Progressive Era and earlier -- John Dewey, to take a concrete example. It just plain was not "the Jews."Why? Multiple reasons, but, to me, the most salient one is that it is a matter of rebellion against natural science: science has wiped out earlier false and corrupt systems of thought, but learning science is hard. Really, really hard. So, an obvious response is to dumb down the curriculum.A lot.Tip also wrote:
So, why does a nation deliberately lower the standards of education for their populace? – why is America dumbing-down their own people/their own future leaders and innovators?…It makes no sense, unless…it’s deliberate, and it’s of malicious intent.
Well, a lot of my ancestors, Old Stock Americans, were quite convinced that the problem was indeed the Irish influx! Read about the "Know-Nothing" party.Tip also wrote:
The problem ain’t the Irish influx, Dave.
No, that technology is not a product of Carolyn's " ethnic and societal heritage." It is a product of natural science, for which Carolyn has openly and unequivocally expressed deep hatred and contempt.And that does indeed prove that Carolyn is, quite possibly, the biggest hypocrite I have ever encountered in my long life.And, again, the bizarre claims that you and the other members of the Jew-hating cult here make are belied by the simple facts: look at the Jewish proportion of the Congress, the Supreme Court, past Presidents, etc. And, yes, I know the theory is that the Jews secretly pull the levers of power behind the scenes. Then name one single example from human history in which a very small minority ethnic group controlled a much larger society without having open control of the forces of coercion -- the army and the police.I know of none. Do you?You cultists think the Jews are essentially superhuman, truly uniquely talented, in all of human history, at secretly seizing power in a large society.If you were right, wouldn't resistance truly be futile? How could one ever overthrow rulers this brilliant and clever?Fortunately, the actual evidence shows that Jewish Zionists -- because of the support of the much more numerous Christian Zionists among whom I myself grew up -- have managed to largely control US policy in the Mideast. But the evidence does not show that they control the whole society.And, since their power is focused simply on this one area, and since they need the support of their Christian Zionist foot soldiers, there is hope to overcome them on the matter of Mideast policy.But if you were right, there would be no hope.At all.DaveReplies: @geokat62, @Tiptoethrutulips[Tip] Well, why would/should she? The current technological advances/utilities/devices are a product of her/our ethnic and societal heritage, and furthermore, you are mischaracterizing what she asserted.
[Dave] Mty main argument with Carolyn was pointing out that…people like Carolyn who argue that the net value of technology is negative but who then continue to use everything from computers and the Internet…are simply hypocrites. If she really believed that, she could and would go “off-grid,” disappear into the wilderness, and avoid technology altogether. But of course she won’t.
you side stepped my comment about the communist countries that fought in ww2 being the countries that aren’t run by zionist jewish supremacists, by how saying about poland and hungary? when i educated you, you feebly replied, well they were communist after that.
Rest assured, I knew the political status of Poland and Hungary prior to WW2.
You said – “you can thank your glorious fuhrer for the fact you have the jewish supremacist whip hand over you right now, while the communist countries of ww2, are now free of your masters control.”
I interpreted that to include Poland and Hungary, wherein communists regimes were, in fact, installed after/by Soviet invasions that occurred after/during WW2 and in accordance with Potsdam/Yalta; I responded accordingly, and included reference to Rumania and Ukraine, indicating WHY I doubt those countries are as free from subservience/control/influence of our current Masters as you suggest.
Did you mean to say that Hitler was the master controlling the communist countries of WW2? That makes no sense….so, again, where was my sidestep?
when i said the soviets were the only country trading with them during ww2 (outside of the axis),
You did not specify outside of the axis – You wrote – “your excusing the german sneak attack on a country with whom they had signed a non aggression pact, who was the only country still selling them oil and trading with them in defiance of the jewish supremacist bds, (they had declared on germany when hitler became chancellor)…”
Where was your specification or inference to countries outside the axis?
1. yes, germans were programmed, thanks to adolf’s suicidal attempt to sneak attack the soviet union, open a second front on his eastern flank, 2. with a country that had been helping them, 3. that most likely would have been bombed by the allies,
1. Programmed by whom? By Hitler? You asked about Germans of today.
2. Russia was helping Germany? For what purpose? Who was helping Bolshevik/Soviet Russia?
3. I am familiar with the notion that England was considering military action against the Soviet Union; it’s well known that PigChurchill was cognizant of the destructive, malevolent, and proliferate nature of Bolshevism/Communism; he was aware of the underlying Jewish elements of same, yet PigChurchill colluded with western Jewry and refused to cooperate with Germany in efforts to thwart Stalin’s “world” agenda, only to circle back, too late, with Operation Unthinkable in cooperation with what was left of the German military. Then The Pig starts squealing at the world over an Iron Curtain that he damn-well assisted in unfurling over much of Europe…
In any case, western/American Jewry would have never permitted western powers to curtail the ongoing “Russian” revolution that ended the Tsars and emancipated Jews in Russia. Just aks Herr Jacob Schiff…
In The Gathering Storm, Pig wrote the following:
There never was a war more easy to stop than that which has just wrecked what was left of the world from the previous struggle. The human tragedy reaches its climax in the fact that after all the exertions and sacrifices of hundreds of millions of people and of the victories of the Righteous Cause, we have still not found Peace or Security, and that we lie in the grip of even worse perils than those we have surmounted…
He then goes on to refer to the awful unfolding scene of the future.
What? Hitler’s long gone. Germany’s down and out. England “won.” To whom/what was he referring as even worse perils? Worse than “Nazis?”
[…] I feel compelled standing before my conscience to direct yet another appeal to reason in England… I am speaking in the name of reason. I see no compelling reason which could force the continuation of this war. I regret the sacrifices it will demand, I would like to spare my nation….[Adolf Hitler, July 1940]
On WHO was helping Bolshevik/Soviet Russia; the ally of England/the enemy of Germany, yes?
THE RUSSIAN WAR HAS WEAKENED EVERY ARGUMENT FOR INTERVENTION , ROBERT A. TAFT, U. S. Senator from Ohio Over the Columbia Broadcasting System, June 25, 1941
The European War Is Not a War of Democracy Against Tyrannies
“The complete absurdity of going to war even to spread our highest ideals is certainly revealed by the present situation in Europe. In the alleged battle between the totalitarian states and the democracies, we now find Communist Russia transformed into a democracy… But how can anyone swallow the idea that Russia is battling for democratic principles? Yet the President on Monday announced that the United States would give all possible aid to Russia the character and quantity of the aid to await only a disclosure of Russian needs. Because overnight Russia is transformed from an aggressor into a democracy, the Treasury has released $40,000,000 in Russian assets, although the assets of France are frozen tighter than a drum. To spread the four freedoms throughout the world we will ship airplanes and tanks and guns to Communist Russia…Russia proved to be as much of an aggressor as Germany. If through our aid Stalin is continued in power, do you suppose that he will spread the four freedoms through Finland and Estonia and Latvia and Lithuania?”
so you’re a german fairy princess, born and raised in texas
Exactly. And, you’re a Slav who reveres Bolsheviki Russia/Stalin, who by your view, justifiably and properly Holodomored millions of Slavic wreckers, then went on to rape and pillage half of Europe, which you apparently deem as acceptable behavior simply because they opposed Niemcy?
Well, Niemcy opposed Globally Organized Jewry/Israel; Soviet Russia colluded with Globally Organized Jewry/Israel, as did the rogue governments of America/England, and look where we are today. It’s time to pick a side and Tell The Truth & Shame The Devil, which you should read, btw…(author is Gerard Menuhin).
WHAT issue did I sidestep?
Have you answered a single question that I’ve posed to you? Nope.
According to you, more rambling = offering substantiated data, facts, and source material in support of an assertion/opinion/alternative narrative.
why don’t you ask the average german of today
I am a German of today. Perhaps not average, because I haven’t been throttled and browbeaten, relentlessly, by a re-education program imposed by the Victors = Judaized Liars & Traitors & Hypocrites & (deliberately made) Ignoramuses.
what they think of adolf, what kind of answer do you think you’ll get? you’ll get the answer they were programmed to give
So, do you hereby acknowledge that Germans, in Germany, were programmed to believe and spout a false narrative on Hitler/WW2? Or, are you saying Hitler was right about Jews/Judea/Israel?
Sure, very many will answer, falsely, that Hitler drew a Secret Map of World Conquest, which SLBFDR, fortunately for the World, acquired in the nick of time; said conquest was to particularly pummel and annihilate all back-ass-wards Slavs, especially the Mongolian type, as they lived and breathed in the entirety of Poland and Russia whilst simultaneously shoving every living Jew in gas chambers to suffocate with bug spray, then zap to ash in minutes with some sort of laser technology unknown to this very day….of course, he only got around to zapping exactly 6 Million! because 6 Million is some sort of Magic Number according to the Talmud or some other ancient Babylonian scroll. Hitler was nothing if not precise.
to side step the fact the russians were still selling them oil and buying their products
Did I deny that Russia and Germany were trading? I did not. YOU said – (Russia) who was the only country still selling them oil and trading with them in defiance of the jewish supremacist bds.
I countered your erroneous assertion. Did the same for the little joiner, HystericalAvery…do you deny the errors?
where do you and your child soldier big brothers live, in a fairy tale castle outside of langley?
They are all younger; they/we were all competitive athletes, hunters, and anglers; the Knoxville Erectus Gang would have NEVER bested any one of them, whilst in a moving vehicle, no less; they are all engineers; we were born and raised in Texas.
where do you think hitler got the money to build the german army?
Why don’t you tell me? Partly by the implementation of a national credit program?
do you think he pulled it out of his ass?
No, but I’m fairly certain Germany, not being a nation of inherently parasitical deceivers and swindlers, had NOT this sort of financial underpinnings for the establishment of Eretz Germania:
Israel gets most of its aid money at the start of each year, rather than in quarterly installments like other countries.
This means that Israel starts earning interest on the money right away – interest paid by the US since Israel deposits these funds into an interest-bearing account at the New York Federal Reserve Bank.
By all accounts the United States has given more money to Israel than to any other country. According to the Congressional Research Service, as of January 2023, in constant 2021 U.S. dollars (inflation-adjusted), total U.S. aid to Israel obligated from 1946-2023 is an estimated $260 billion.
The United States has granted more total aid to Israel since World War II than to any other country.
*SINCE 1992, the U.S. has offered Israel an additional $2 billion annually in loan guarantees. Congressional researchers have disclosed that between 1974 and 1989, $16.4 billion in U.S. military loans were converted to grants…Indeed, all past U.S. loans to Israel have eventually been forgiven by Congress…U.S. policy since 1984 has been that economic assistance to Israel must equal or exceed Israel’s annual debt repayment to the United States. Unlike other countries, which receive aid in quarterly installments, aid to Israel since 1982 has been given in a lump sum at the beginning of the fiscal year, leaving the U.S. government to borrow from future revenues. Israel even lends some of this money back through U.S. treasury bills and collects the additional interest.
*In addition, there is the more than $1.5 billion in private U.S. funds that go to Israel annually in the form of $1 billion in private tax-deductible donations and $500 million in Israeli bonds. The ability of Americans to make what amounts to tax-deductible contributions to a foreign government, made possible through a number of Jewish charities, does not exist with any other country. Nor do these figures include short and long-term commercial loans from U.S. banks, which have been as high as $1 billion annually in recent years. [*Washington Report on Middle East Affairs]
Go ahead and explain how Germany/Hitler was/is responsible for the above described abomination of American fiscal/foreign policy?
Didn’t mass Jewish immigration from Eastern Europe to America commence decades before Hitler’s election? Wasn’t the Federal Reserve established before WW1/WW2/NS Germany? The Whip Hand was set loose long before the arrival of Adolf Hitler.
ultimately adolf hitler acted in the interests of jewish supremacy whether he knew it or not.
Oh, yes, again, the tired invocation of Hitler’s ultimate guilt/culpability for our impending downfall, which is essentially the equivalent of – Jews! Can’t live with em’, can’t live without em’!
Antisemitism is good for the Jews; emancipation/acceptance is good for the Jews; “Muslim” murderous mayhem, like 911, is so very unfortunate, but good for the Jews (BiBi said so); the importation of yet more pesky Muslims into “Judeo-Christian” nations leads to societal destabilization, but it’s good for the Jews (Mayorkas/HIAS/Spectre said so); Germany’s persecution of the Jews was good, overall, for The Jews (Chaim Weizmann said so); Germany’s loss of WW2 was good for the Jews (The HolocaustPeople, like Emmanuel Celler, say/said so).
Every above contradiction is paradoxically true, and the still the impetus for the retributive and deliberately instigated quashing of the Western World/Amalek/Edom is on Adolf Hitler? Sure…
Jewish World, Kobi Nahshoni, Published: 11.11.12 – “Islamization of Europe a good thing”
Rabbi Baruch Efrati believes Jews should, “rejoice at the fact that Europe is paying for what it did to us for hundreds of years by losing its identity.” He praises Islam for promoting modesty, respect for God.
why don’t you go to germany and start asking germans what they think of their egomanical ubermensch, then you’ll find out his real legacy.
It has been/is illegal to speak positively, aka truthfully, about Adolf Hitler/NS in Germany since 1945. Most people, there and here, are completely unaware of the Allied campaign to obscure/eliminate access to the true facts of NS Germany/WW2 and the crimes and misdeeds of the Allies:
*In March, 1945, GI’s in Germany were actually placed under official orders not to make unflattering remarks about the Reds. Typical of our un-American efforts to throttle critics was AMG censorship in April, 1946, of a letter by a Catholic Bishop calling attention to Russian abuses of Germans through forced labor and expulsions. We prohibited the reading of the letter in churches, because it might offend Russia. Social Democrats and other German political parties have not been allowed to criticize the Communist party, lest Russia take offense.
[Associated Press, Wuerzburg, Germany, March 2, 1946; Associated Press, Wiesbaden, Germany, April 26, 1946.]“70 years ago today, with Germany’s attack on Poland, began the most tragic chapter in the history of Europe. This war, instigated by Germany, brought immeasurable suffering on many peoples; years of disenfranchisement, humiliation, and destruction. I commemorate the many millions of people who lost their lives in battle and in resistance to Germany. I commemorate those 60 million who died in this war instigated by Germany…” [Angela “full of Horseshit” Merkel, Abomination of Germanic Chancellorship]
*Oliver Lyttleton, British Minister of Production, told the Chamber of Commerce of America in London, June 20, 1944, as reported by the United Press:
“Japan was provoked into attacking the United States at Pearl Harbor. It is a travesty on history ever to say that America was forced into the war.”*It is now established that to avoid war with the United States, Germany ordered its submarines not to retaliate in any way when attacked by U.S. forces under orders from Washington. In clear violation of international law our vessels in the Atlantic were ordered two months before Pearl Harbor to shell all Axis craft encountered. At the time, Admiral Stark had sent a message to Admiral Kimmel that “we are at war” in the Atlantic.
[*Gruesome Harvest: The Costly Attempt to Exterminate the People of Germany, Ralph Franklin Keeling]
ubermensch
Just how much of Slavic Russia’s ascendancy into “modern European/Germanic living standards/culture” was a direct result of the efforts and superior intelligence of Anglo-Saxons/Western Europeans?
[German] Prisoners of war rebuilt factories, constructed dams, railways, ports and so on. They also built and restored houses, including apartment houses for workers of the Interior Ministry. For instance, German prisoners built the ‘Dinamo’ stadium in Moscow. They also worked in a glass mill in Lytkarino, a Moscow suburb. An archive building in Krasnogorsk, Moscow Region, was constructed following the project by Paul Spiegel, a German architect.
Qualified specialists like Spiegel were selected by the Soviets to perform complicated tasks. Historian Stefan Karner writes that by 1946, over 1,600 high-profile specialists were assigned to different Soviet industries: “Five hundred and seventy engineers, 260 civil engineers and architects, about 220 electrical engineers, over 110 doctors of physical and mathematical sciences and technical sciences.”
[Russia Beyond]
You’re welcome.
I do not defend blindly.
In what manner do you defend the Bolsheviks/Soviets?
Audie Murphy was a child soldier! At the ripe-0ld age of 17, which is not 16, so it’s not really the same?
Aren’t we all the whores of World Wide Jewry at this point? At least the NS Germans put-up a fight, whereas Churchill/FDR just bent right on over, taking their countrymen down with them, lying and manipulating all the way….Donald Trump receives a golden pager replica and over he goes; Charlie Kirk prefers not to bend, yet over he goes, one way or another, then his bedazzled wife struts around in leather pants, shabbat-shaloming in our faces. They, whomever they are, do whatever they want and NO ONE stops them.
At the very least, Stalin, once weary of Jewish=Bolsheviki subterfuge and shenanigans, whacked a pile of them, eventually. I’ll give him that…
The correct expression is – Don’t piss on my leg and tell me it’s raining.
I am female, and I would never have sex with a child. (17 yo Henry Cavill? Maybe…) This stupid sex question of yours is irrelevant and nonsensical. Era and culture, and sometimes necessity, have significant bearing on “best practices” with regard to the appropriate age for children to participate in adult endeavors; 12 yo girls were once considered appropriately aged for marriage, and still are in some places; young boys were trained/initiated as warriors in preparation for manhood in a difficult and often violent world. If a war happened to arrive, they were utilized, often willingly.
You are hysterically indicting the “Nazis” for universal practices, right or wrong/currently acceptable or not, and ignoring, as usual, Soviet (and worldwide) participation in same. You cited a specific case of German forced child combat, inaccurately, and you clearly know NOTHING about the subject matter for which you are attempting to rake the Germans over the coals. You’re very silly, Avery.
These children defended Stalingrad, flew warplanes, were some of the best snipers in the Red Army, with a few even receiving the title of Hero of the Soviet Union, the highest military decoration in the country.
…the fight against the Nazis involved almost everyone: men, women, elderly people and even children. …Tens of thousands of minors joined the resistance movement and the regular army…
In October 1941, sixteen-year-old Vasily Kurka joined the Red Army units retreating from Mariupol and asked to be enlisted in the 395th Infantry Division. Given his young age, Vasily was not sent to the frontline, but was kept in the rear services. Having learnt that soldiers were being recruited for sniper training, he convinced his commanding officers to give him a chance…Before he was killed in January 1945 fighting for Poland, Vasily had shot 179 enemy soldiers and officers, making it one of the best sniper records in the Red Army.
Not all the children who ended up on the frontline were orphans or runaways. Sometimes their parents, when going to the front, took them with them. Thus, in April 1943, fourteen-year-old Arkady Kamanin joined the 5th Assault Aviation Corps commanded by his father. After serving for several months as a flight mechanic and a navigator/observer, he performed his first flight as the pilot of a U-2 aircraft…
If the Red Army had thousands of minors serving in it, the resistance movement had tens of thousands. For youngsters, it was much easier to join the partisans than a military unit, which had to comply with certain regulations and whose commanders could face unpleasant consequences if it became known that they had teenagers on the frontline. [Russia Beyond]
Do not go gentle into that good night…
Sadly, this mantra must be taught to and learned by young boys/men, especially if they will be/are fighting for the survival of their nation. Or, for themselves – restorative justice and diversity brings local violence, or haven’t you noticed? Christopher Newsom of Knoxville, Tennessee, God rest his soul, would have been better served if he had been reared in accordance with NS youth policies/programs.
All of my siblings are male, and I’m telling you, by the age of 14, they would have made formidable soldiers, if necessary, and not a single one would have preferred to cry – I’m just a boy! – whilst under threat. I don’t understand you people, Avery; you are absolutely clueless on how your learned guilt/ignorance, uninformed reality/history, and rootless hysteria is undermining European civilization.
you need a quick lesson in history, poland and hungary weren’t communist during ww2
OK, technically not communist until after the war, but they were both former communist nations, yes?
The Polish People’s Republic was a unitary communist state established in the country after the Red Army’s takeover of Polish territory from German occupation in World War II. Communist control was strengthened through electoral fraud in the 1946 Polish people’s referendum and the 1947 Polish parliamentary election.
The Hungarian People’s Republic… It was a professed communist state, governed first by the Hungarian Working People’s Party and after the Hungarian Revolution of 1956, the Hungarian Socialist Workers’ Party. Both governments were closely tied to the Soviet Union as part of the Eastern Bloc.
The state considered itself the heir to the Hungarian Soviet Republic, which was formed in 1919 as one of the first communist states created after the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic (Russian SFSR). It was designated a “people’s democratic republic” by the Soviet Union in the 1940s.
with poland seizing parts of the soviet ukrainian oblast this is why the soviets did the same to poland, when the third reich grabbed the rest.
That was not why – the Soviets pilfered and grabbed border territory pre-war, then as much territory, post-war, as permitted by Yalta/Potsdam, all in accordance with their stated objectives of a World Revolution.
your excusing the german sneak attack on a country with whom they had signed a non aggression pact, who was the only country still selling them oil and trading with them in defiance of the jewish supremacist bds
I’m excusing nothing; the Soviet Union was a menace to Europe, and every European nation had justifiable cause to take them out. A conflict between Germany and Soviet/Bolshevik Russia was inevitable. Both parties agreed to cool their jets in order to focus on other matters – Germany had to deal with England/France; Russia needed time to rebuild and retrain its post-purge military before engaging in a confrontation with a formidable/capable opponent.
Russia was the only country selling oil to Germany? Russia was the only nation trading with Germany? What about the oil fields of Rumania? The Soviets invaded Bessarabia in June, 1940 – what were the implications of this action with regard to Rumanian oil?
Let’s see –
By 1937, the Third Reich was providing a bigger market for British goods than which existed between any two continents on earth. At the end of the 1930s, with Hitler set to initiate another European war, Britain’s principal trading partner was Nazi Germany. [Preparata, Conjuring Hitler, p. 224]
Well, who knew? Not you….
Mannerheim Recording:
Hitler: I then had a discussion ..with Molotov. And it was quite clear .. that Molotov would go on with the decision to begin a war and when possible I would prevent him, and make him free of his war…Because the demands that man placed were quite evidently meant for ultimately dominating Europe!
…And I always had one fear: that Russia would suddenly overtake Romania in the late autumn, and gain the possession of the oil wells. And we were not fully prepared in late autumn of 1940. If Russia had occupied the Romanian oil wells, then Germany would have lost the war.
look to hitler’s attitude to slavs as untermensch and his plans to expand his country through his lebensraum, after eliminating the slavs whose land he coveted,…that sure sounds like the ashcan nazis seizing palestine by force and attempting to displace the palestinians, whose links to the land extended back further than the illegitimate religious claims of zionist war criminals.
1. Germany had legitimate claims to significant territory to the east. There were millions of Germans in central and Eastern(ish) Europe. An “expansion” to the east was essentially a reclamation of territory and assets illegally taken from the German Reich by an illegal treaty after WW1. All of the reclamation was done outright, diplomatically, and peacefully until Poland.
2. Germany made a non-aggression pact with Poland which remained in effect until the death of Pilsudski. Poland chose not to renew the treaty. The city of Danzig was comprised of mostly Germans; Hitler tried for years to come to a reasonable agreement with Poles over Danzig and the corridor. Escalating hostilities and violence against the German minority in Poland led to an invasion, which was announced beforehand, and which occurred after Poland mobilized. Poland was then offered peace a few weeks after losing a war they themselves had demanded.
3. Germany did not sneak, manipulate, lie, blackmail, profiteer, bribe, collude, hide behind a greater power to cajole its way into a territory it was unable to acquire, unassisted, for itself. Germany did not betray and assassinate allies. Germany relied upon no other nation to subsidize its existence. Hitler openly proclaimed his true intentions to overturn the mandates of Versailles from the beginning. Hitler did not seek to remove or displace entire nations of Slavs or any other European group from Europe.
4. Considering the mayhem, misery, and death wrought upon the peoples of Russia, Europe, and Germany by the Soviets/Bolsheviks, Hitler was correct in attempting to ausrotten the lot from all of Europe. To the extent territory within Russia/Ukraine was liberated, Germany would have been right to occupy portions of it – there were Germans therein already; same goes for occupying Poland. It’s absolutely ridiculous to assert that Germany wanted to acquire Russia in entirety; that’s an impossibility, even for Germans.
5. Adolf Hitler/Germany stood in opposition to Jewish supremacism, which you seem to think was absent from within the Bolshevik/Communist/Soviet movement. Adolf Hitler/Germany acted in the best interest of Europa. Whether you like it or not, maintaining a Germanic/Nordic/Celtic/Western genetic component in European nations was/is essential to avoid what the MolochPeople have in store for us.
Why was a quest for Lebensraum appropriate for the Soviet Union?
There are no similarities between the objectives and actions of NS Germany and Organized Jewry/Israel.
Bingo !
you can thank your glorious fuhrer for the fact you have the jewish supremacist whip hand over you right now, while the communist countries of ww2, are now free of your masters control.
They drafted — drafted –10s of 1,000s of German boys, some as young as 12, and threw them at the Red Army steamroller
I don’t believe this BS you spout; Hitler Youth were indeed involved in ancillary support during the war, but I seriously doubt they were sent, by compulsion, to active combat as an official policy.
How about a little due diligence, Avery? –
Willi Hübner was compelled to tell his story for the cameras: “When the Russians were closing in on Lauban, I reported for voluntary duty as a messenger to the combat commander.
The Draft! The Military Draft of very young men, very often boys! A practice unknown and theretofore unused for war before the arrival of Germany’s Evil “Nazis!” Certainly, the Soviet Union never did such a thing; nor did the United States of America…or England….
Child Soldiers! Avery, clutch your pearls over this universal aspect of Warfare:
*Audie Murphy, the most highly decorated soldier in the history of the US Army, enlisted for combat at the age of 17.
*Leaders of the Zionist Youth Movement…returned to Warsaw… More than 100,000 young Jews participated in resistance youth movements, despite the Germans outlawing such activity.
These leaders led a ghetto resistance…Youth of the Zionist resistance were part of the Armee Juive (Jewish Army) in France, created in 1942, an armed Jewish resistance in Western Europe. They took part in the 1944 uprisings against the Germans in Paris.
Many members of the youth movement, Hashomer Hatzair, fought in the Warsaw Ghetto uprising of 1943. Unlike many other instances of the use of child soldiers, participation of children in this armed resistance is usually regarded positively.
*Sons Of The Regiment Soviet Red Army, World War II:
It was something of a long-standing tradition in the Soviet Red Army to “adopt” orphans into military service, and there have been some estimates indicating that the Soviets allowed 25,000 soldiers aged 6–16 to fight on the front lines of World War II. The duties of the “Sons of the Regiment” were not limited by the soldiers’ age, and there were many instances in which a child soldier would be seen carrying a submachine gun into battle. If they were not fighting in battle, they were used in any way possible to aid the unit to which they belonged, as some took on radio duties while others served as medics or nurses.
A crime against their own people.
An allegation rarely made, yet much deserved (unlike that against Hitler), against America (SLBFDR), England (PigChurchill), or Russia (“All Soviet POWs are traitors!” Stalin).
You don’t know what you’re whinging on about, Avery. You need to get a clue, too –
And Mr. Churchill should make an exception and place trust in me when as a profit, I now proclaim: a great world empire will be destroyed. A world empire, which I never had the ambition to destroy or as much as harm. Alas, I am fully aware that the continuation of this war will end only in the complete shattering of one of the two warring parties.
In this hour, I feel compelled standing before my conscience to direct yet another appeal to reason in England… I am speaking in the name of reason. I see no compelling reason which could force the continuation of this war. I regret the sacrifices it will demand, I would like to spare my nation….
[Adolf Hitler][…] All of us know how terrible war is. Not one of us is worth more than the men and women who lived in the past…I considered that I owed it to our German people, and the countless men and women in the opposite camps, who as individuals were innocent of blame, to make yet another appeal to common sense, and the conscious of their statesmen. On October 6, 1939, I therefore, once more publicly stated that Germany has neither demanded, nor intended to demand anything, neither from Britain, nor from France… They declared the peace could not come about until the German Reich was destroyed and its [people left destitute]. I did not want this, immediately after the first confrontation, I extended my hand again. I myself was a soldier, and I know what it costs to gain victory. How much blood, misery, despair, deprivation, and sacrifice it takes.
[Adolf Hitler]
while the communist countries of ww2, are now free of your masters control
Are they? So, Poland and Hungary will save Europe? I hope you’re right.
What about formerly communist Ukraine? Free from the machinations of the Masters of the Universe, is it? And, formerly communist Romania? Free to elect whom they choose? Well, if Tik Tok is a vehicle for informing the truth/reality-starved masses on alternatives to the political/cultural BS constantly shoved down the throats of same, well the Masters of the Universe will just buy Tik Tok. Truth Problem solved.
Speaking of Truth Problems, Holocaust denial is ILLEGAL in Poland, Hungary, and Romania, btw. Formerly communist Poland could permit the excavation of Treblinka, btw, and thereby answer a very important question regarding the veracity of Jewish claims against Poles, who apparently stood by in viciously antisemitic complacency whilst the Greatest Crime Against Humanity was occurring under their pug-noses. Poland gets in serious trouble whenever they assert that Polish people also suffered during WW2 – I guess Poles don’t qualify for humanity status.
So, I’m not sure how “free” our future liberators in Eastern Europe are to wholly free themselves or anyone else from the impending arrival of a New (One) World Order wherein the Fair World will be dissolved into the World’s Mocha Melting Pot.
complete horseshit
In what way was NS Germany exactly the same as the Israelis have been in Palestine?
If Adolf Hitler was the lightning-rod for the arrival of the Whip Hand over the Western world, how do we explain the whipping of nations who opposed Hitler, which certainly includes America? Furthermore, what did Ireland/Sweden/Canada ever do to provoke the ire of the Rootless Cosmopolitans who organize and advocate for borderless nations everywhere in the White world? It’s not Hitler, but the Lies they tell about Hitler/NS Germany that is their cudgel against us – all of us.
Once upon a time, long before Adolf Hitler “ruined it for the rest of us,” there was a wee convention held in Dresden, Germany on September 11-12, 1882, wherein a group of Germans were just making-shit-up about potentially deleterious European affairs:
[…] Sticking together as closely as it does, the international Jewish pack has an internationally directed executive organ in the form of the Alliance Israelite Universelle, which was founded in Paris in 1860 and operates branches across the entire planet. Supposedly a mere charitable association, it has now assumed the character of a political association that virtually maintains diplomatic contacts with individual national governments…
[…]
Theses:
In order to break this influence and to eliminate the evils and danger inevitably resulting from it, [we deem] the following measures absolutely imperative:1. The immigration of the Jews, particularly from the east, has to be prevented.
2. The predominant, largely capitalist and laissez-faire economics legislation has to be reformed. It excessively favors usury and the speculation taking place above all in the form of the share trading, banking, and stock markets over honest and upright forms of work…
3. As long as the Jews persist in their isolation and form a nation within the nation, as it were, they ought to be regarded merely as foreigners who are accorded the right to hospitality. Consequently, their civil rights should be restricted in such a way that they can neither participate in legislation nor attain any authoritative offices, namely the office of judge.
[…]
Tell me again how Adolf Hitler set the Whip Hand in motion.
Turns out, “WW2” began long before 1939.
I had started to write almost exactly what you have written, but again you beat me to it!
But, you didn’t, PooBear.
So, get crackin’. I can hardly wait…
Today, the West blames everything on Russia
Really? I don’t know anyone who actually thinks Russia is a current threat to America. Fox News (all mainstream News) is a threat to America. Non-European immigration is a threat to America. AIPAC is a threat to America. Regarding Russia, maybe we are suspicious? Maybe we should be…
So, Soviet Russia did infiltrate the American government during the FDR administration, yes? Soviet Russia was responsible for the proliferation of Bolshevism/Communism in Europe, yes? Soviet Russia was responsible for the Holodmor, yes? Soviet Russia was culpable for the mass destruction of Orthodox Christian Churches in Eastern Europe, yes? Soviet Russia invaded and raided up and down Eastern Europe, yes? Soviet Russia sent operatives into Cuba, South America, and Mexico, yes? Soviet Russia actually claimed they were intent on a World Revolution, yes?
If Germany/Germans today must bear a cross for the “crimes” and (fake) death camps of WW2/National Socialism, why does Russia/Russians get a free pass for committing actual crimes/atrocities/starvations and operating Gulags in the Soviet Union? Why does the excessive media exposure and assignment of collective guilt fall in one direction – smack on Germany and even towards America, but completely OFF Russia? Why doesn’t Russia open the Soviet archives and expose the crimes of Soviet Russia? Because the Bolsheviks are still in power in Russia?
Russia is the bulwark to ZIDSO’s Final Push to dominate the World
How so?
Slavic Russia is guided by and practices pure pragmatism; State-private ownership, State subsidies-enterprenourship, all exist and work interrelatedly and seamlessly.
Like National Socialism?
Slavs to this cohort are **cough cough** the Palestinians to us Germans
We never said any such thing.
the irony of projecting on The Other that you lack yourself.
Get over yourself, meine Kröte. The Other is more often than not a fly in the ointment…
And from the shelter of my mind
Through the window of my eyes
I gaze beyond the rain-drenched streets
To [the Land] where my heart lies
And as I watch the drops of rain
Weave their weary paths and die
I know that l am like the rain
There, but for the grace of you, go I
hitler hated slavs and saw them as untermensch, to be enslaved, liquidated…
Slavs were generally considered Untermensch, yes, and particularly so for certain population groups exhibiting Mongolian/Asiatic genetic admixture, i.e., Vladimir Lenin; enslavement/liquidation of Slavic peoples was not an objective of Hitler/NS Germany.
The root cause of the civilizational/technological underdevelopment of Eastern Europe/most of Russia throughout modern history compared to the rest of Europe is just NOT a mystery, just as everybody knows damn well why black Africa is a perpetual den of Neolithic iniquity and mud-huttery – certain people (groups) do better because they are better. Some people do better by virtue of living amongst or under the direction of better people.
pushed off his lebensraum
Lebensraum was not a policy for conquering or colonizing Russia or Europe. How many ethnic Germans had long been/were residing to the east of Germany-proper after WW1?
Did the noble Russians invade Finland for Lebensraum? What about the Soviet invasions of Ukraine; Georgia; Poland; Estonia; Latvia; Lithuania; Romania – what was the purpose? So, who gets to Take Up (new) Space, as a matter of necessity, and who does not? Let’s ask Emmanuel Celler, Barbara Spectre, and David Schwarz, shall we?
in exactly the same way israeli ashcan nazis see palestinians.
Blasphemy!
Israelis are just like the Nazis! Yes, that’s what Hudson says…his ideological/marxist/jew-y/inclusive slant notwithstanding.
In what way was NS Germany exactly the same as the Israelis have been in Palestine?
according to you, he had to kill 27 million russians to save them from the jewish bolshevists
Did I say that?
I think it’s accurate to assert that Germany was more opposed to Soviet/Bolshevik Russia than to Russian Russia:
In delivering Russia over to Bolshevism, Fate robbed the Russian people of that intellectual class which had once created the Russian State and were the guarantee of its existence…For centuries Russia owed the source of its livelihood as a State to the Germanic nucleus of its governing class. But this nucleus is now almost wholly broken up and abolished. The Jew has taken its place.
[…]
It must never be forgotten that the present rulers of Russia are blood-stained criminals, that here we have the dregs of humanity which, favoured by the circumstances of a tragic moment, overran a great State, degraded and extirpated millions of educated people out of sheer blood-lust, and that now for nearly ten years they have ruled with such a savage tyranny as was never known before. It must not be forgotten that these rulers belong to a people in whom the most bestial cruelty is allied with a capacity for artful mendacity and believes itself to-day more than ever called to impose its sanguinary despotism on the rest of the world. It must not be forgotten that the international Jew, who is to-day the absolute master of Russia, does not look upon Germany as an ally but as a State condemned to the same doom as Russia.The menace to which Russia once succumbed is hanging steadily over Germany. Only a bourgeois simpleton could imagine that Bolshevism can be tamed.
Today Germany is the next battlefield for Russian Bolshevism…
The struggle against the Jewish Bolshevization of the world demands that we should declare our position towards Soviet Russia. [Adolf Hitler]
So, Russians paid the price for allowing Jewry, via Bolshevism, to get the whip-hand over Russia. Whilst not so overtly done in 1940’s Anglo-Saxon America, American Jewry asserted political/economic dominance over America and thereby gave us quite a few lashings, and we have been suffering for our folly ever since. Anglo-Saxons in America aren’t so easily manipulated and exploited by overt methods as Russian peasants, hence the necessity of an extreme demographic change which has been championed by Jewry through every channel of influence and power in our society.
Germany paid the price for trying to save us all.
the reason he didn’t want to attack europe, was the fact that most rolled over like the cheese eating surrender monkeys in vichy france and marched with him on moscow
What? Only PooBear has displayed a greater level of asininity in commentary than what you spouted-off in this twaddle.
all forms of exceptionalism are wrong
Sure, according to Peoples who display very little in the way of exceptionalism. But, no, the acknowledgement of exceptionalism, generally, is not wrong, depending upon the nature of it, of course. Can we stop pretending that the dilemma of exceptionally stupid vs. exceptionally smart is truly subject to relativism? Is there really room for determining which state of being is better?
1. thank god for the russian people, 2. that hate you nazi bastards.
1. To the extent that the Russians are fighting against an expanding Judaic hegemony, which has indeed already entrenched itself within America/much of Europe, I hope Russia prevails. How much of Russia actually remains Slavic/Orthodox Christian, anyway? Ukraine seems more ethnically European, but Zelenskyy is not Ukrainian, so it’s hard to know what’s really going on, other than the attempt of Israel/Organized Jewry to establish an “aircraft carrier” in Europe via Ukraine. I’m not so sure Russia isn’t participating in the charade – you know, New Lies For Old. And, either way, fewer Ukrainians, aka ethnic Europeans, seems to be the ultimate objective.
2. There’s no other sort of bastard that I’d like to be.
You Slavic bastards will be going down with the rest of us…
Seminal point for evaluating geopolitical outcomes today. The old model and paradigm of land wars for conquest and occupation is yesterday and unviable. Today's and future wars are "stand off" wars, using missiles, artillery, projectiles, robotics and AI, and kinetic technology. Include space and orbital assets. This also relates to Venzuela and the fantasy of occupation to usurp the government and sequester natural resources to exclusively export to the United States. What wars of occupation has the JUSA been successful in since WW II? Was there a net gain or net loss?. Hint: that big, fat, slow, Mother Hen sitting there is one button push away to sinking, taking over 4,000 sailors with her. A 13 billion dollar ship to build, not including the assets she carries aboard. Sinking or wounding her is the knockout punch for America's standing and power forever in the Forum of Realism in the World.
Basically, the United States is saying this: that the Nazis were right in wanting to go to war against Europe; that Japan was right to invade China with the Nanking massacre; that the Nazis were right to hate Russian speakers and Slavic peoples as genetically subhuman; and that the Japanese were right to treat the Chinese as racially subhuman and to attack them.
That’s why we are supporting in Ukraine the neo-Nazi government that we continued to support right after World War II and maintain influence with their racist Nazi philosophy. That’s why, in Japan, MacArthur found the way to oppose the nascent or incipient socialist movement in Japan by working with the criminal gangs to basically fight against the socialists and to put puppet right-wing leaders there.
So, right now, you have this violently passionate female leader in Japan preparing for a war with China. The United States is trying to promote Taiwan to fight to the last Taiwanese against China, as Japan fights to the last Japanese by threatening to fight over islands in the China Sea by putting American arms and missiles on these islands, which will lead China to protect itself with a takeover. So, the United States basically is in the position of Nazi Germany in creating a new Nazi alliance. Western Europe, Ukraine, Japan, and elements in Taiwan and other countries in the same way that it used Argentina and other right-wing military dictatorships in Latin America.
And the rest of the world seems blind to the fact that World War III is not going to be fought in the same way that World War II was. It’s not going to be armies of different countries attacking each other. As I mentioned, it’ll be by missiles.
Well, PooBear, it would be useful and worthwhile if the actual reality and truth of NS Germany/WW2 was actually known; the central tenets of National Socialism, if implemented throughout Europe/America, would never have produced the political, ethnic, and cultural dystopia that now surrounds us all.
So, Michael Hudson is invoking Nazis! for what ails the world in 2025. An intended “Nazi” Alliance is what we should fear most? Whose we?
The “Nazis” did NOT want war with Europe. The “Nazis” hated the Russian Bolsheviks, whose founders/administrators were NOT mostly ethnic Russians, and the “Nazis” hated the outward manifestations and machinations of the anti-Gentile/Christian Jewish Revolutionary Spirit, which included the rise of Jewish Bolshevism/Communism, and for God’s sake, I wonder when Michael Hudson will speak or write on the historical and current Jewish disposition of hatred and fear of an Organized Goyim? Cattle, are we?
Yes, Mr. Hudson, race hatred and bigotry have no place in a well-functioning society – just ask the global HIAS (Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society) gurus; ask the ADL and their world-wide network of flying Jews who meet with world leaders, sometimes secretly, to demand a free hand in legislating for sanctioned political/economic/cultural parasitism of non-Whites in White host societies and to invoke Never Again!, ad nauseam, against the hosts who seem to have a clue; ask Barbara Spectre (Jews will be resented for their role in this [mocha melting pot] transformation…) a world-wide mocha melting pot is the solution, apparently. The solution for what, though?
The war in Ukraine is essentially a fight over racism and racist philosophy, is it? Between which races? Slav vs. Slav? What a load of crap….
America is indeed on the wrong path, but Hudson is just a crap master – After his graduation, he entered the University of Chicago with two majors: Germanic philology and history:
Michael Hudson was born on March 14, 1939, in Minneapolis. His father, Nathaniel Carlos Hudson…became an active Trotskyist trade unionist… Michael Hudson graduated from the University of Chicago…After graduation, he worked as an assistant to Jeremy Kaplan (1) at the Free Press (2) in Chicago – He managed to obtain the rights to the English language editions of the works of György Lukács (3) as well as the rights to the archives and works of Leon Trotsky… He was assistant professor of economics at the New School for Social Research (4).
1 & 2) Jeremiah Kaplan co-founded the original Free Press (a book publisher, not a newspaper) in 1947 with Charles Liebman, focusing on civil liberties, religion, and social science. They chose the name Free Press because they wanted to print books devoted to civil liberties. As a teenager, he [Kaplan] was active in the Young Peoples Socialist League, the youth wing of the Socialist Party. Not long after Kaplan’s graduation from New York City’s Seward Park High School, Seymour Martin Lipset (5), hired him to be the Young Socialists’ national chairman and sent him to Chicago to organize young people in the country’s heartland.
3) Lukács was born Bernát György Löwinger in Budapest, Austria-Hungary, to the investment banker József Löwinger…who were a wealthy Jewish family… [Lukács ] was a Hungarian Marxist philosopher… He was one of the founders of Western Marxism… He was also a philosopher of Leninism. He ideologically developed and organised Vladimir Lenin’s pragmatic revolutionary practices into the formal philosophy of vanguard-party revolution.
4) The New School for Social Research (NSSR), previously known as The University in Exile and The New School University – The New School for Social Research was founded in 1919 by a group of progressive intellectuals… In response to the Nazi Germany’s 1933 Civil Service Restoration Act, an act that dismissed over 1,200 Jewish or radical academics from German state-run institutions, Alvin Johnson raised $120,000 from Hiram Halle to create a “University in Exile” at The New School consisting of the dismissed European academics….A second wave of academics fleeing Europe after France fell to the Nazis in 1939 included…
5) Lipset was born in Harlem, New York City, the son of Russian Jewish immigrants. “I was in that atmosphere where there was a lot of political talk,” Lipset recalled, “but you never heard of Democrats or Republicans; the question was communists, socialists, Trotskyists, or anarchists. It was all sorts of different left wing groups.” From an early age, Seymour was active in the Young People’s Socialist League, “an organization of young Trotskyists that he would later head.”
The rest of the world seems to be blind to the fact that World War II did not end….it’s not missiles that are destroying/will destroy the Western World.
NS Germany = Organized Goyim
Happy New Year, meine Kröte. Please get a clue…
The most precious possession you have in this world is your own people. And for this people, and for the sake of this people, we will struggle and fight, and never slacken, never tire, never lose courage, and never lose faith.
For the third time here, high levels of government spending stimulated the German economy temporarily. These high levels of spending were not sustainable, though, over the long term. The German government ran through all its gold reserves, selling them off, and started running deficits….an economic collapse eventually, just as Marxist Russia later did and the United States is now in the process of doing.
Where do you get your information on NS Germany? From Goy’s Guide To What Happened In Germany according to Greenblatt, Spielberg, Ignatiev, Weizmann, Warburg & Rothschild?
“Marxist” Russia and today’s United States was/is contending with undue influences and staggering levels of parasitism exerted upon our governments and institutions by hostile and alien elements, i.e., AIPAC; Somalis in Minnesota; Haitians in Ohio; Mestizos in the Southwest; subsaharan Africans everywhere. Tsarist Russia was subverted by non-Russian agents – Jews, Mongols, Tatars, Georgians, etc. We would not be spiraling, economically and culturally, as we are if we had remained White Nationalists.
Germany, at least, was comprised of Germans. THAT was their greatest strength – ethnic solidarity.
The National Socialist Government has resisted the easy way out of their economic and exchange difficulties by [not] borrowing abroad after the manner of other European countries…
This policy of self-sufficiency, or, as our [English] Press call it, “economic isolation”, is, perhaps, a reason of the unpopularity of Germany in the City, the world’s biggest moneylender, an unpopularity which is reflected in our Press and in The Banker.
[…]
In fact the figures confirm the conclusion come to by other observers, that Germany has been satisfied to create and equip an army sufficient for defence, and has no projects of foreign conquest.Since this date Germany has been compelled most unwillingly to fresh expenditure on armaments owing to the vast sums being spent by Great Britain and France…and if at the next election here the Labour Party came in they would probably take the first opportunity to force war on Germany.
The difficult position in which Germany is placed by the heavy reparations she had to pay…When she had been bled to the last sixpence, and her economic ruin completed by the occupation of the Ruhr, she was left with a heavy external debt which had to be repaid some time and on which the interest was due.
In spite of her economic distress she has never adopted the facile expedient of repudiating her debt, and has paid off one third of the capital sum. We [England] cancelled a thousand millions of the debt France owed to us, and also cancelled large sums due from Italy and Belgium, and we still owe four hundred millions to the United States and are neither repaying the capital nor paying the interest. The Soviet not only repudiated the debt of the former government, but confiscated wholesale the property of companies in Russia financed by foreign capital. It has been usual for countries after a revolution to repudiate the debts of the former government, and the Nazi government might well have followed this practice; on the contrary they assumed the whole burden, have done their best to pay the interest due, and have also taken over the Austrian debt…Germany is one of the very few countries who faced financial ruin as a result of the war and who are honestly meeting their obligations to the best of their ability.
They have also not adopted the device of depreciating their currency which has been done by so many other countries, having restored the gold mark after the disastrous financial crash.
Having to meet their foreign commitments, and having been deprived of their last ounce of gold by their foreign creditors, they have to control very strictly exports and imports and to prevent any capital leaving Germany. They have also been compelled by their financial position to enter bargains with foreign countries by which they exchange goods directly for goods…This has been described by Mr. Hudson in the House of Commons as an unfair method of trading and he has advised an economic war against Germany to compel them to abandon this method of trading which is forced upon them by their creditors in the city of London and in New York…
Germany has not only had a political revolution but has carried out an economic revolution in her method of calculating wealth. All other countries still adopt gold as their standard but Germany, deprived of gold, is calculating wealth in terms of labour production, a new method which is worthy of the study of economists.
When the Nazi party came into power they adopted the very bold policy of putting everyone to work by means of government credits. The result of this policy has been very remarkable. The government money being used to promote vast schemes of road building and land reclamation, the demand of these men for food and other products stimulated other industries and the national income increased so rapidly, that it has been possible to convert this government credit into loans based upon savings, and today far from having any unemployed, Germany has had to import labour, while by every figure by which the prosperity of a country can be tested the national wealth is steadily rising.
When they first proposed to provide work by means of government credit, they were told by the economists that this would result in an immediate rise of prices, but owing to the control of prices exercised by the government no such rise in prices has taken place. At every stage in these bold and new economic experiments the economists have prophesied disaster, and have been proved to be wrong…
Moreover, while other nations are spending more and more on armaments, Germany is directing her efforts to increasing the productivity of her soil, and the development of new and valuable products which the genius of her chemists is extracting synthetically from her two raw materials – coal and wood…[Arthur Pillans Laurie, The Case For Germany, 1939]
One of the most influential and widely read American economists of the twentieth century was John Kenneth Galbraith. He was an advisor to several presidents…He…taught economics at Harvard University. With regard to Germany’s record, Galbraith wrote: “… The elimination of unemployment in Germany during the Great Depression without inflation — and with initial reliance on essential civilian activities — was a signal accomplishment. It has rarely been praised and not much remarked…”
“…large scale borrowing for public expenditures, and at first this was principally for civilian work — railroads, canals and the Autobahnen. The result was a far more effective attack on unemployment than in any other industrial country.” – “By late 1935, unemployment was at an end in Germany. By 1936, high income was pulling up prices or making it possible to raise them … Germany, by the late thirties, had full employment at stable prices. It was, in the industrial world, an absolutely unique achievement.” – “Hitler also anticipated modern economic policy by recognizing that a rapid approach to full employment was only possible if it was combined with wage and price controls.”
THE TRUTH ABOUT HITLER, The Strand Magazine, November 1935 , By Winston Spencer Churchill
[…] then it was that one Austrian corporal, a former house-painter, set out to regain all.
… he has succeeded in restoring Germany to the most powerful position in Europe, and not only has he restored the position of his country, but he has even, to a very large extent, reversed the results of the Great War. Sir John Simon, as Foreign Secretary, said at Berlin that he made no distinction between victors and vanquished. Such distinctions, indeed, still exist, but the vanquished are in process of becoming the victors, and the victors the vanquished. When Hitler began, Germany lay prostrate at the feet of the Allies. He may yet see the day when what is left of Europe will be prostrate at the feet of Germany. Whatever else may be thought about these exploits, they are certainly among the most remarkable in the whole history of the world.
I am claiming the opposite: coercive hierarchies are not inevitable, but the bureaucratized, militarized, professionalized, credentialized institutions created and expanded during the Progressive Era did indeed produce coercive hierarchies.
I don’t necessarily disagree that hierarchies are indeed inevitable...
The Irish were in fact very tribal in their day, before they generally assimilated into American society, and my own WASP ancestors thought the Irish would be the ruin of the country. but, as I keep hammering away at, the bureaucratized, militarized, professionalized, credentialized institutions created and expanded during the Progressive Era did not in fact exist back then. When the levers of power simply do not exist, you cannot seize the levers of power.
but the question is – did/do “Organized Germans” or “Organized Irish” operate in America, generally, with an intent to remove themselves (or their People) from authority/influence within their own nation? Was there an underlying intent by European-blooded business magnates to subvert the foundation and the foundational population of America
Actually, no -- cognitive scientists have noted that humans have an enormous tendency to see patterns that do not actually exist.
Don’t scientists, all scientists, as a rule, look for patterns?
Almost all beautiful, wonderful, plausible theories that humans come up with, including theories invented by scientists, turn out to be wrong.
The first principle is that you must not fool yourself—and you are the easiest person to fool.
Well, it seems to me that tyranny is tyranny. Prohibition was a disastrous idea when imposed by Jane Addams and her pals, and it would still have been a bad idea if imposed by the Jews.
I am saying, unequivocally, that rule and domination by The Jews is worse and certainly more destructive than enduring the effects of the political and cultural progressive movement shenanigans of Jane Addams.
I'm afraid that you are confessing that you had a very, very bad education -- I assume in the American public schools?
I was unfamiliar with Ms. Addams...
I never read a single word about Judah Benjamin in any school textbook as a student/native of the South. I never saw a single photograph of the slave ship bills-of-lading which were utterly dominated by Jewish surnames as proprietors until I accessed research made by the Nation of Islam, who were/are no friends of Whitey, to say the least; I never knew of the subsaharan slave trade practiced by the Arabs or the European slave trade of the Mongols/Turks/Moors until I joined an archeology tour as an adult, yet I was a good student and an avid reader of History...
coercive hierarchies are not inevitable, but the bureaucratized, militarized, professionalized, credentialized institutions created…did indeed produce coercive hierarchies.
Hierarchies exist amongst all living creatures and in all aspects of life, whether naturally occurring or constructed; they will never be eliminated, ultimately. I suppose coercive hierarchies are an aspect specific to humans/human nature, particularly amongst those One World types, like the Bolsheviks/Vulture Capitalists (aka disproportionately Jewish) and the WhiteLady-Lesbian Addams types, who insist, either through collectivism/violence/death or by influence of public policy/voluntary institutions, that We all toe the (their) line for the greater good of a society/civilization; and unfortunately, human nature is what it is, and we live in an organized society, so we need to carefully select which humans rule over us and who lives amongst us. The truth is – not all human breeds are suited for a European civilization, and that’s exactly why most of the “unsuitable” seek to overthrow the long-established White Man hierarchy/patriarchy. And, once they do, another hierarchy will be established. In fact, it’s already here.
So, from which professionalized/credentialized institution did you learn physics? These academic institutions are also a product of an organized human civilization, yes? A beneficial/successful organization/institution requires some sort of hierarchical order. These myriad institutions in America/Europe would be easier to manage/regulate if they were all directed by a like People, don’t you think? They may not be perfect, but they wouldn’t be what they have recently become, in my opinion. The upward/progressive trajectory of our once beneficial institutions, like that of our Constitutional Republic, has taken a downward/backwards turn lately, yes? Is there no common thread for causation to be observed? It’s happening the same all over the western worlds….was there a world-wide emancipation that set the One World roiling over the Old World?
I’m afraid that you are confessing that you had a very, very bad education — I assume in the American public schools?
I don’t disagree, and that was my point. I attended both private and public schools in America, btw. Mainstream history is what we obviously learn in school.
Mainstream history/information, via print or broadcast, is slanted against truth, accuracy, and against the very People who created the best of the modern world – said People, whom we desperately need in large enough numbers to continue accordingly. So, why does a nation deliberately lower the standards of education for their populace? It’s certainly done, locally, these days to cater to the Idiots Amongst Us, all of whom where brought here disproportionately by/under the influence of the CellerPeople, but I digress – why is America dumbing-down their own people/their own future leaders and innovators? There are Federal directives, too, like No Child Left Behind, that impact all higher-achieving students negatively. It makes no sense, unless…it’s deliberate, and it’s of malicious intent.
Everything you mentioned has been very, very well-known to anyone interested in history for a very, very long time. I knew about it all long, long ago, back when I was a kid.
I am well aware, and that was my point. Once I started seeking data/books, on various subject matters, published in prior centuries or at least before 1950/1960, I was astonished to learn what was actually well known all along. Again, what is the purpose of rewriting/obscuring our history? Why is it now slanted, always, against our foundational population(s) and the accomplishments/ideals thereof? You never answer this question or assert an hypothesis on why/how we seem to be hellbent on destroying ourselves and our legacies (beyond blaming busybody WhiteLadies with no real power; the effects of Prohibition; Evangelical Christians, who are attached, irreparably, to Jewry/Israel, who wield no significant power/influence in American society/government, according to you) thereby leading to the destruction of our future in order to reparate for our (false) dismal past. So, how did we arrive to our current societal dilemma wherein indigenous ways of knowing supersede the benefits of the World Brought To Us By The White/European Man? Aeronautical Engineering vs. Twerking & Shootin’ (a White Man’s technology, btw) In Tha’ Hood? How do we choose? Why is this choice even presented in 2025? Did we really do this to ourselves?
my dad had this shtick he loved to repeat where he pretended to be FDR and state, “I hate war! My wife Eleanor hates war! And I hate my wife Eleanor!” And then Dad would crack up each time.
That’s a charming story. My grandfather, who was an American pilot in Europe during WW2, referred to FDR as That Sorry Lying Bastard. He also reported that the Germans were not who/what they were reported to have been.
FDR intentionally pushed the US into WW II.
That is yet another historical narrative that has been obscured from the mainstream. Hardly anyone knows this today. If they do know, they say it was for purely economic reasons; Samuel Untermyer and the BrainTrust said otherwise…Yet, Hitler pulled his nation out of the economic mire without a war. How so? THAT fact/answer is generally unknown, as well.
And, if one asks – What exactly were the Germans really trying to achieve for Germany/Europe, and why, exactly, was Jewry, as a collective, in their crosshairs, and is it really possible to drag 5, 7, 10,000 corpses, with the hook end of a cane, out of a refurbished gas chamber, designed and constructed by Germans with an entry point protected by an unsealed wooden door and unsealed ceiling cut-outs, and then incinerate them all to ash, 3-4 or 8-10 per cremation oven muffle, in approximately 24 hours? – Well, one is an antisemite just for asking, and one deserves criminal prosecution just for asking. And, it’s all on us, who work so hard to prevent the asking…,sure.
1. Almost all beautiful, wonderful, plausible theories that humans come up with, including theories invented by scientists, turn out to be wrong. 2. Eliminate natural science and most of you die.
1. I am well aware.
2. I don’t argue against natural science or science, in general. We must take the good aspects of innovations in science and technology with the bad, although I think our scientific progress has become somewhat corrupted/destructive particularly in the medical/pharmaceutical fields. Sharing the technologies with the tempest-tossed is problematic, too. Furthermore, the communication/surveillance technologies, which we willingly use today for the “sake of convenience,” will be used against us by our obviously rogue government and the Oligarchs who collude with/support the rogue Deep State that you often mention. Didn’t Larry Ellison (J) specifically say the upside of his surveillance technology was to keep us all on our best behavior? The BlackRock guy, Larry Fink (J), said the mass of corporations under his management could/would be made to comply with certain social and environmental standards by forcing behaviors to achieve diversity and inclusion goals. (He’s got his tentacles into 95% of the Fortune 500, yes?) But, I’m sure the prevalence of Jewry in these endeavors and organizations is of No Significance Whatsoever.
abolish the Fed, wipe out the Deep State, etc.
I do not disagree here. Can you admit that from inception, both institutions were/are infested with busybody-Jews to a disproportionate degree? Jews love them some central banking; FDR’s (kosher) Brain Trust was assembled before he became president – Jews love them some inordinate political and money power/influence to rule amongst/over people (a nation) they despise, to various degrees, of course, whilst claiming they care for us/humanity and/or claiming perpetual victimhood/defense. I don’t deny that European People seek power and influence; I deny that they do it, generally, with the cognizant notion of destroying the foundations of the Old Order and changing (ruining) European society in a manner that defenestrates the People who created it/sustain it in the first place.
European/Germanic George W. Bush spoke of bringing about a New World Order – thank goodness 911 and Lucky Larry Silverstein (J) came along to propel us forward in that direction by leaps and bounds. Did Bush know/suspect he was a pawn in the New World Order implementation or was he in on it all along? Does he realize the implications of an actual world order? I have no idea…either way, he was/is beholden to/in peril of/allied with Our Greatest Ally, whose current leader openly says Amalek must be defeated. They say the same about Edom. You/we can snigger at this biblical mumbo jumbo, but they live it and often admit that they do.
Yes, the evangelical Christians stupidly collude with Judea against their own nations, and I despise them for their stupid beliefs and actions, but Europe is facing precisely the same issues as we are in America, and Europe is not evangelical, so…what’s going on?
abolish the Fed, wipe out the Deep State, etc.
How so?
But, be aware – Judea will declare war upon whomever seeks to free themselves from the danger within – they have and will do so on behalf of whomever it is that is operating from within, which of course, isn’t them (Jewry), but they advocate, always, for whomever has burrowed within the Lands of Gentile Europa, which is never them, although, historically, they were the only substantial aliens within Europa, until the last few decades, but it was/is never them…
You think the Jews have seized all the levers of power in America?
And, you seem to think that busybody-Lesbian-WhiteLadies and Teetotalers inflict more damage to American/European society than this:
“Just last week, leaders of the world’s seven largest Jewish communities convened in Australia as part of the 2025 J7 summit. This is a summit organized by ADL as part of the J7 task force to combat antisemitism – a convening of representative bodies of the largest Jewish communities on Earth.”
“So, the J7… is comprised of the seven largest diaspora communities. We meet every other week, via zoom, to share information, to share best practices, we share what worked for our communities, what hasn’t worked, what might work elsewhere. We have shared tips [for] draft[ing] legislation that might work in other countries or spoken of different litigation, a lot of what has been very important has been this consultation where we can learn from each other, learn the trends that are coming in, learn the techniques that others have used successfully, and [to ascertain] what might be coming our way…We do speak in one voice on certain aspects on key advocacy…when we left Australia, our call to action was on the Australian government to move forward…[with our special envoy’s plan] on antisemitism, which has been stalled for a number of months, to accept it and to implement it…Finally, we have meetings that are some off the record, some on the record, with world leaders, in which we share our communities concerns and call for action…”
[Jonathan Greenblatt (J) and Susan Heller Pinto (J), Anti-Defamation League, December 18, 2025]So, Dave, they are telling us, outright, that they WILL NOT permit us to organize our nations in any way they find unsuitable or not beneficial to Jewish interests.
I simply fail to see how prohibition had the same deleterious effect on us as this:
From the Jewish Virtual Library:
US Representative of NY, Emanuel Celler (J), made his first major speech on the House floor during the consideration of the Johnson Immigration Act of 1924…. This “national origins” system was structured to discriminate against… Yiddish-speaking Jews. The Johnson Act of 1924, which Celler opposed….virtually [eliminated] all immigrants other than those from England, France, Ireland, and Germany.The Johnson Act passed… Despite this setback, Celler had found his cause, and for the next four decades, he advocated eliminating national origin as a basis for immigration restriction….
Celler’s determination to fight U. S. immigration quotas was particularly reinforced one Sunday during World War II when a bearded rabbi came to his home…. The rabbi… spoke forcefully to Celler. “Don’t you see, can’t you see?” the rabbi asked, “Won’t you see that there are millions — millions — being killed. Can’t we save some of them? Can’t you, Mr. Congressman, do something?” Celler equivocated, averring that President Roosevelt had told him that he sympathized with the Jewish plight but could not divert ships being used to transport war material and soldiers to bring in refugees. The rabbi’s reply moved Celler to tears: “If six million cattle had been slaughtered,” he observed, “there would have been greater interest.”
One World, One Voice – there it is.
You need to try to disprove your own beloved pet theories. And you are not trying to do that.
Look around, Dave Miller, the evidence of the probability of the accuracy of my pet theories reveals itself just about everywhere.
Sure, at least at one point, Jews largely controlled Tinseltown. So what?
Don’t they still control Hollywood? Did you catch that Blockbuster on the Holodomor?
Here’s what –
Marvin Chomsky, Director – Jewish
John Erman, Director – John Erman (1935–2021) was an American director and producer known for his work on prominent television projects like Roots and The Attic: The Hiding of Anne Frank. While his professional work often explored Jewish themes…
David Greene, Director – Jewish
Gilbert Moses, Director – Jewish
David Wolper, Executive Producer – Jewish
So, storytelling and American media have no influence on American politics or culture? While not technically a Tinseltown production, the above Jews brought us the (historically inaccurate) historical miniseries and battering-ram called ROOTS, wherein not a single slave seller/slave holder had a surname such as Benjamin or Moses, nor was there a reference to original (crypto) Jewish slavers from Spain, Amsterdam, etc.
So, maybe slavery, racism, and land theft, as singular international crimes of the White Man, are the ONLY historical matters about which we have been miserably misled. Of course, those who have always known otherwise, such as yourself, did absolutely nothing to stop the undermining of your/our history, and now, most of you are gone; too old; too busy fooling yourselves on your culpability, or that of your parents, for what happened right under your noses after America participated, under false pretenses and outright lies, in the destruction of the last Defenders of Europa in the mid 20th century. Our once Anglo-Saxon country is now full of tempest-tossed refuse who care NOT for European society, as they are mostly ignorant ingrates, nor are they capable of the higher thinking and intellectual analysis/dedication required to understand and thereby claw our way out of the mess that was mysteriously instigated/created by Teetotalers and Bleeding Heart White Lesbian Ladies of yore.
Most human institutions do not involve coercion but are voluntary. For example, I have been a member of various vocal groups -- I voluntarily joined and could leave whenever I wished. Same thing for the grocery stores I shop at, the friends I associate with, the employers I have worked for, etc. Again and again I have simply chosen to work for another employer, shop at another grocery store, etc., and never has the previous employer or grocery store tried to force me to continue paying money to them or working for them.But if I decide, as I certainly do believe, that the US government is just a huge rip-off scheme, I still have to keep paying them money -- a lot of money! -- or they will put me in jail.And we all know why, now don't we? Government exists to loot the productive members of society and hand the loot over to the members of the government and their supporters. Anthropologists tell us that most human societies that have ever existed lacked the institution of the state -- it was invented five or six millennia ago as a way of systematically looting the productive members of the populace.All normal people speak of the government with a certain degree of derision and contempt. But it is considered a bit déclassé to just come out and say they are all a bunch of crooks.But isn't that the real truth?Tip also wrote:[Tip] Hierarchies exist amongst all living creatures and in all aspects of life, whether naturally occurring or constructed; they will never be eliminated, ultimately. I suppose coercive hierarchies are an aspect specific to humans/human nature
[Dave] coercive hierarchies are not inevitable, but the bureaucratized, militarized, professionalized, credentialized institutions created…did indeed produce coercive hierarchies.
Do you really believe it is "for the greater good" rather than for the good of those who get to receive the loot?If you do, I have a bridge I would like to sell you!The founding ideal of the American Republic, especially among the Jeffersonians, was that decent, responsible people do not need "humans [who] rule over us." Each responsible individual and each family are capable of ruling themselves. And that is largely what happened in the free states prior to the War Between the States. Sure, there are always a handful of common criminals who must be dealt with somehow, and you can argue that we need a (very small) government to deal with them.As Thoreau began his famous Essay:
We all toe the (their) line for the greater good of a society/civilization; and unfortunately, human nature is what it is, and we live in an organized society, so we need to carefully select which humans rule over us and who lives amongst us.
That is the attitude of my forefathers.Perhaps not of yours.Tip also wrote:
I heartily accept the motto, "That government is best which governs least"; and I should like to see it acted up to more rapidly and systematically. Carried out, it finally amounts to this, which also I believe- "That government is best which governs not at all"; and when men are prepared for it, that will be the kind of government which they will have. Government is at best but an expedient; but most governments are usually, and all governments are sometimes, inexpedient. The objections which have been brought against a standing army, and they are many and weighty, and deserve to prevail, may also at last be brought against a standing government. The standing army is only an arm of the standing government. The government itself, which is only the mode which the people have chosen to execute their will, is equally liable to be abused and perverted before the people can act through it.
I taught myself -- for example, I taught myself Einstein's Special Theory of Relativity in seventh grade.Of course,, given the corrupt structure of our society, I knew that I had better get pieces of paper from some esteemed institutions proving that I knew what I knew, and so I got those pieces of paper from Caltech and Stanford. All of which was quite relaxing, since I had basically taught myself: Caltech was the most academically selective and demanding college in the country according to standardized test scores (verbal as well as math), but I graduated with a 4.0, as top student in the division of math, physics, and astronomy. And I found the experience relaxing. Teaching yourself is the way to go.Tip also asked:
So, from which professionalized/credentialized institution did you learn physics? These academic institutions are also a product of an organized human civilization, yes?
Yes, and the historical details matter and are very, very well documented: it was caused by White Gentiles, largely by "my people," Old Stock Americans.Tip also wrote:
The upward/progressive trajectory of our once beneficial institutions, like that of our Constitutional Republic, has taken a downward/backwards turn lately, yes?
Mty main argument with Carolyn was pointing out that technological creations, especially those that have horrendous results such as nuclear weapons, prove that scientists do indeed know deep facts about reality that no other method ever invented by human beings has ever uncovered.However, it is also true that people like Carolyn who argue that the net value of technology is negative but who then continue to use everything from computers and the Internet to fridges and electric washing machines, all of which are in fact technology based on natural science, are simply hypocrites. If she really believed that, she could and would go "off-grid," disappear into the wilderness, and avoid technology altogether.But of course she won't.Tip also wrote:
I don’t argue against natural science or science, in general. We must take the good aspects of innovations in science and technology with the bad, although I think our scientific progress has become somewhat corrupted/destructive particularly in the medical/pharmaceutical fields. Sharing the technologies with the tempest-tossed is problematic, too. Furthermore, the communication/surveillance technologies, which we willingly use today for the “sake of convenience,” will be used against us by our obviously rogue government and the Oligarchs who collude with/support the rogue Deep State that you often mention.
Of course, Prohibition was just one example: it's also the Fed, the income tax, the Deep State, the globalist foreign policy, progressive education, cartelization in various professions (medicine, lawyers, etc.), the whole higher-education fraud, and on and on and on.And if you look into the actual historical details of everything I just mentioned, you will find that their origins are largely Gentile.Facts matter.You Jew-haters list some powerful and influential Jews and then conclude that Jews run the country and the world. But you could equally list some powerful Americans of Irish descent, of Italian descent, or whatever.If you actually dig into the historical origins of the institutions I just listed, you really will find those origins to be predominantly Gentile.Why do you personally hate the Jews so much? There must be some reason -- some Jewish guy assaulted you or something?As I keep saying, some Jewish Zionist professors at Stanford forced me to leave academia because i had publicly criticized Israel. But I did not jump from that personal experience to the false conclusion that Jews control the country.So why do you hate the Jews, rather than hating the overwhelmingly White Gentile ruling elite who have in fact wrecked our country?Frankly, you are just playing into their hands:they really do not care that you hate the Jews as long as you do not blame the ruling elite, the parasitic verbalist overclass, as a whole, who are still largely White Gentiles.Anyway, Happy New Year!DaveReplies: @Carolyn Yeager, @Tiptoethrutulips
And, you seem to think that busybody-Lesbian-WhiteLadies and Teetotalers inflict more damage to American/European society than this...I simply fail to see how prohibition had the same deleterious effect on us as this:
I may have read Locke in HS or college & didn't retain it (I was an art student), but I did retain Thoreau's “Civil Disobedience.” I well remember when I was ready to read Thoreau I was excited at the prospect. But the actual Thoreau was never exciting to me. I was disappointed, I expected something better. I DID get excited over Ralph Waldo Emerson's essays, especially the first one I ever read, from my father's small library.
Of course, by far the most famous statement of anarchist principles by an American is Thoreau’s famous Essay, which you really should read, even if you can’t bring yourself to read Locke! It’s short, pithy, and readable.
You said something like, "I''ve reached my 8th decade." So maybe you are 80, not "in your eighties." I"m 84, so know what some of your quiet complaints/limitations might be.
You also wrote:
He’s told us he’s in his eighties…
Nope, I did not say that.
My (cy) conclusion: Science and the Scientific Method is a cult. You've taught me, Dave, that not only Physics but Science itself is a cult! And someday, the majority of humankind will know it. But for now, I'm just happy that I know it. It's freedom from jackasses like you.
HBES (Human Behavior Evolution Society) members' opposition to the idea that large groups evolved to act as integrated units – key to MacDonald’s views – makes it
spectacularly inaccurate to depict them as MacDonald supporters. ... John Tooby quote
“most scientists simply ignore guys like you who are pushing ideas that have been refuted by the scientific method.” ... Dave Miller (who is 'dodging' big time)
Oh, you've got it. Thank you so much, my dear sister.Replies: @PhysicistDave, @Liza, @Tiptoethrutulips
"That’s what We [white Europeans/Americans/Germans] are these days…the hunted, like deers in headlights, because we don’t know the Truth."
Much love and appreciation to/for you, Ms. Carolyn.
I’m not certain that I deserve such words of reverence, but I do appreciate the encouragement, especially from Carolyn Yeager, who has worked tirelessly and unyieldingly to defend NS Germany and to reveal the truth of their mettle, valor, and sacrifice.
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!
You're proving my point for me: you referred to "old Gentile Robber Barons," as if that was who I was criticizing when I criticized the early Progressives.[Tip] But, don’t intentions/objectives matter? And, if the intentions/objectives include, say, retribution/revenge/ordained and historical/cultural contempt, doesn’t the determined faction thereby seek results/outcomes for something other than personal gain/wealth/power? Were the old Gentile Robber Barons, if that’s what they actually were, seeking, ultimately, the ruination or permanent subjugation of their own peoples/nations?
[Dave] If it were not the Jews, it would be some other small, determined faction.
Nope, we can't -- we are not tribal in the same sense many Jews are.
Can the average American/European citizen organize, in any way, against the very real problem of Jewish tribalism and Zionist rapacity?
You’re proving my point for me: you referred to “old Gentile Robber Barons,” as if that was who I was criticizing when I criticized the early Progressives.
No, I was commenting on your supposition that, essentially, if it were not Jews/Jewry terrorizing America, it would be some other sect/group.
I don’t necessarily disagree that hierarchies are indeed inevitable, but the question is – did/do “Organized Germans” or “Organized Irish” operate in America, generally, with an intent to remove themselves (or their People) from authority/influence within their own nation? Was there an underlying intent by European-blooded business magnates to subvert the foundation and the foundational population of America or was personal gain/a desire for greatness the primary motivation? (Take Henry Ford – although I don’t think he was considered a Robber Baron, he was of that era, and he achieved enormous financial and industrial success/innovation/progress whilst contributing positively overall to the lives of his employees and American society. Mr. Ford was up-close & personal with the JQ as it pertained to American life and business; he believed, unequivocally, that they were a collective force for the ruination of America.)
The Robber Barons, if that’s what they were, certainly were one aspect of the inspiration for the organization of the New Progressives, and rightfully so in some cases, but it doesn’t seem to be the case that the Barons were seeking the destruction of America as it was founded and as it had been sustained since inception.
You are asking whether being ruled and dominated by the Jews is worse than being ruled and dominated by people like Jame Addams,
I am saying, unequivocally, that rule and domination by The Jews is worse and certainly more destructive than enduring the effects of the political and cultural progressive movement shenanigans of Jane Addams.
I was unfamiliar with Ms. Addams, so I read her Wikipedia page. Whilst she was certainly of the ilk who would have been targeted by Jewry as an advocate/ally in their quest to Make America A Shtetl, her goal, as far as I can tell, was not to subvert the ideals/underpinnings of American society – she supported Eugenic programs, btw. Advocating for immigrants in her time meant advocating for minority Europeans, mostly, but also for Jewry, which led, in part, to the mess we see today, because Jews organize as a world diaspora for their specific interests as a pissed-off-at-the-world People, unlike the Germans, Irish, Scandinavians, etc.
In the final analysis, no, I am really not sure that it makes much difference whether we are ruled by tyrannical busybodies who are from my ethnic group or who are of Jewish descent.
I wonder if the Palestinians preferred living under the British Mandate or under the rule of Jews=Israel? Perhaps if Folke Bernadotte, of Organized Scandinavians, had NOT weighed in on that matter, he would have lived to voice regret over ferrying those Kosher Scorpions out of Theresienstadt and the clutches of the heroic Germans? (No sarcasm here, btw)
On that note, I wonder why masses of Indians followed the Raj out of India and into the belly of the beast = England? I wonder why so many people from the non-White world flock to the Lands of the White Devils and thereby subject themselves, willingly, to tyrannical busybodies such as our good Lady/Lesbian Addams? Within the constraints of a European-dominated society, Lady/Lesbian Addams is somewhat beneficial/not mostly destructive, unlike the “progress” brought about by Emmanuel Cellar or Emma Lazarus, whose objectives were/are hostile to the peoplehood of their “ally” Jane Addams. As I previously said, most WASPs and Regulars know NOT what they do with regard to their humanitarian ideals and policies. They don’t understand the ultimate objectives of Jewish “benevolence/advocacy” for the “marginalized” in European societies; unlike Addams, the Jews shifted focus more on the non-European members of the marginalized masses, and the purpose for this attention was/is not a general concern for humanity – their concern is Jewish protection/freedoms/ability of dominate/degenerate/profit within human society, first and foremost.
Why don’t third-worlders trek into the Judeo portion of the Judeo-Christian world? Because they don’t want to and because they can’t, anyway, because the Jews know what’s what and WE DO NOT. Again, how do YOU explain that phenomenon? Who/what prohibits us from circling wagons against hostile outsiders/aliens; from advocating for ourselves; and from exculpating ourselves from the myriad (false) allegations against European history and the resultant historical guilt?
More unknown Facts That Matter on diaspora collective interests that benefit NOT the host societies:
Dr. Roth begins by accusing me of reading Spanish history “with the eyes of the wildest anti-Semite”.… He really means that I hate Jews… I commenced my researches with a prejudice in favour of the poor persecuted Jews. It was a popular prejudice that shrank considerably in the strong light of historical truth.
Luis de Santángel, who financed Columbus’s first voyage—and out of public funds, as I have shown in my book—was…a powerful secret Jew…
[Roth]. . . accepts unquestioningly…the prevailing popular prejudice against the Jews and conversos”, Dr. Roth accuses me of recounting “with horror” how “the Jews of Spain encouraged, or even invited, the Arab invasion of 709”. He must have noticed that my authority for the statement is the Jewish Encyclopaedia (vol. xi, p. 485). …I merely quote this Jewish authority verbatim as follows (page 17): “It remains a fact that the Jews, either directly or through their coreligionists in Africa, encouraged the Mohammedans to conquer Spain.”…I gave the machinations of the secret Jews as only one of the causes…and here again my authority, as I stated (page 586), was the Jewish Encyclopaedia, which I quoted as follows:
There can be no doubt that the decline of Spanish commerce in the seventeenth century was due in large measure to the activities of the Marranos of Holland, Italy, and England, who diverted trade from Spain to those countries …. When Spain was at war with any of these countries, Jewish intermediation was utilized to obtain knowledge of Spanish naval activity. (vol. xi, page 501)
[The Dublin Review – “A Quarterly and Critical Journal” – October 1932, Reply to Dr. Cecil Roth by William Thomas Walsh]
On those powder-keg negros of the American Civil War, for which The Jews bear no culpability, whatsoever, in the same way they bear no culpability for antisemitism, in the same way negros bear no culpability for their perpetual downtrodden-ness and deserved racial prejudice (although, I don’t think they can help it, as their behaviors are inherent):
Aaron Lopez (1731–1782), born Duarte Lopez, was a merchant, slave trader, and philanthropist in colonial Rhode Island.
Duarte Lopez was born in 1731 in Lisbon, Portugal. He belonged to a family of conversos, Portuguese Jews who had converted to Catholicism, although the family continued to practice Judaism in secret.
Between 1761 and 1774, Lopez was involved in the slave trade. Historian Eli Faber determined Lopez underwrote 21 slave ships during a period in which Newport sent a total of 347 slave ships to Africa. By the beginning of the American Revolution, Lopez owned or controlled 30 vessels.
Jewish Haaretz says:
An advertisement in North Carolina’s Wilmington Journal in 1847 reveals a stain on local Jewish history. Ansley Davis, who came from Petersburg, Virginia, published the ad under the heading
“Negroes Wanted.” The text stated: “I wish to purchase a large number of Negroes of both sexes, from the age of 14 to 30, for which I will pay the highest cash market price.” Davis, whose family owned one of the largest Jewish-run slave-trading companies in the entire South…The Jewish Politician and Slave Owner Who Was the Brains of the Confederacy
Judah Benjamin was the largest Jewish slave owner in the South and a key member of Confederate President Jefferson Davis’ government. ‘This is a person who had some very impressive qualities but did sickening, horrible things,’ says biographer James Traub…
JHNC says:
The history of the Jewish South, including North Carolina, suggests that perhaps we might have good reason for discomfort. The pioneering scholar of American Jews and slavery, Rabbi Bertram Korn, observed that “any Jew who could afford to own slaves and had need for their services would do so.” …That Historians now emphasize that slavery, far from being the “peculiar” custom of the South, was linked indelibly to global capitalism. The New York financiers who underwrote the cotton economy, including firms like Lehman Brothers, supported the plantation system, counting investment in slaves as collateral.
Moses of South Carolina: A Jewish Scalawag During Radical Reconstruction, Benjamin Ginsberg says:
Franklin Moses Jr. is one of the great forgotten figures in American history. Scion of a distinguished Jewish family in South Carolina, he was a firebrand supporter of secession and an officer in the Confederate army.
Moses then reversed course. As Reconstruction governor of South Carolina, he shocked and outraged his white constituents by championing racial equality and socializing freely with former slaves.
I never read a single word about Judah Benjamin in any school textbook as a student/native of the South. I never saw a single photograph of the slave ship bills-of-lading which were utterly dominated by Jewish surnames as proprietors until I accessed research made by the Nation of Islam, who were/are no friends of Whitey, to say the least; I never knew of the subsaharan slave trade practiced by the Arabs or the European slave trade of the Mongols/Turks/Moors until I joined an archeology tour as an adult, yet I was a good student and an avid reader of History. So, what sorcery is this that denies me the truth of my heritage? It make no sense, whatsoever, for an Extraordinary People to turn-in on themselves in such a way as to dismantle their legacy through deliberate ignorance and outright falsehoods, to the ultimate destruction of their much-desired/sought-after societies, unless there is an outside/hostile force guiding the collapse. Our downfall does not appear to be organic, in my opinion, and it’s not the Puritans, or their descendants, wreaking the havoc, Mr. Miller.
Moses then reversed course….
Don’t scientists, all scientists, as a rule, look for patterns? If a pattern repeats, again and again, decade after decade, century after century, what does it signify?
I am claiming the opposite: coercive hierarchies are not inevitable, but the bureaucratized, militarized, professionalized, credentialized institutions created and expanded during the Progressive Era did indeed produce coercive hierarchies.
I don’t necessarily disagree that hierarchies are indeed inevitable...
The Irish were in fact very tribal in their day, before they generally assimilated into American society, and my own WASP ancestors thought the Irish would be the ruin of the country. but, as I keep hammering away at, the bureaucratized, militarized, professionalized, credentialized institutions created and expanded during the Progressive Era did not in fact exist back then. When the levers of power simply do not exist, you cannot seize the levers of power.
but the question is – did/do “Organized Germans” or “Organized Irish” operate in America, generally, with an intent to remove themselves (or their People) from authority/influence within their own nation? Was there an underlying intent by European-blooded business magnates to subvert the foundation and the foundational population of America
Actually, no -- cognitive scientists have noted that humans have an enormous tendency to see patterns that do not actually exist.
Don’t scientists, all scientists, as a rule, look for patterns?
Almost all beautiful, wonderful, plausible theories that humans come up with, including theories invented by scientists, turn out to be wrong.
The first principle is that you must not fool yourself—and you are the easiest person to fool.
Well, it seems to me that tyranny is tyranny. Prohibition was a disastrous idea when imposed by Jane Addams and her pals, and it would still have been a bad idea if imposed by the Jews.
I am saying, unequivocally, that rule and domination by The Jews is worse and certainly more destructive than enduring the effects of the political and cultural progressive movement shenanigans of Jane Addams.
I'm afraid that you are confessing that you had a very, very bad education -- I assume in the American public schools?
I was unfamiliar with Ms. Addams...
I never read a single word about Judah Benjamin in any school textbook as a student/native of the South. I never saw a single photograph of the slave ship bills-of-lading which were utterly dominated by Jewish surnames as proprietors until I accessed research made by the Nation of Islam, who were/are no friends of Whitey, to say the least; I never knew of the subsaharan slave trade practiced by the Arabs or the European slave trade of the Mongols/Turks/Moors until I joined an archeology tour as an adult, yet I was a good student and an avid reader of History...
I did not say or imply that they were downtrodden.
Speaking of the ruling elite, look at how our supposed “ruling elite” are treated by these downtrodden jewish supremacists:
If it were not the Jews, it would be some other small, determined faction.
But, don’t intentions/objectives matter? And, if the intentions/objectives include, say, retribution/revenge/ordained and historical/cultural contempt, doesn’t the determined faction thereby seek results/outcomes for something other than personal gain/wealth/power? Were the old Gentile Robber Barons, if that’s what they actually were, seeking, ultimately, the ruination or permanent subjugation of their own peoples/nations?
Consider the actions of a small, determined faction in South Africa; so, did/does Jewry really, really, care for the plight of the long-oppressed and universally despised negro? Or, did/do they seek to remove Anglo-Saxons/Europeans from primacy, for some strange reason, considering that emancipated Jews ordinarily do quite well when ensconced in European nations? Apartheid falls, Hurray! – yet Jews then flee, en masse, with fire sales galore rather then live with the (dystopian) results of their “humanitarian” efforts; interestingly enough, there are NO Jewish refugees in South Africa today –
“I’ll let you in on something you don’t know. I am one of the few people on the left in Britain who traveled the length and breath of apartheid South Africa as an underground agent of the African National Congress led by Nelson Mandela… let me tell you this – that throughout the entirety of my time underground in South Africa under apartheid, every house I slept in; every dinner I ate; every car I drove in was provided by Jewish activists of the African National Congress.” – George Galloway, Oxford Union
Yes, Jewish tribalism and Zionist rapacity are very real problems.
But it is simply not true historically that Jews have caused all or even most of the problems that the West faces today. Nor is it true that all Jews are participants in this execrable behavior.
Facts matter.
Can the average American/European citizen organize, in any way, against the very real problem of Jewish tribalism and Zionist rapacity? Can they even be educated/informed, officially, on the notion of the very real historical problem of Organized Jewry and the deleterious/subversive and endless machinations against host societies? No, they can’t. How do you explain this phenomenon?
A few Facts That Matter:
[Larry] Ellison was raised in a Reform Jewish home… but he remained a religious skeptic. At age 13, Ellison refused to have a bar mitzvah celebration. Ellison said: “While I think I am religious in one sense, the particular dogmas of Judaism are not dogmas I subscribe to…Ellison says that his fondness for Israel is not connected to religious sentiments but rather due to Israelis’ innovative spirit in the technology sector. [Wiki]
[Let’s talk about the] hostel takeover of Warner Brothers by Paramount Skydance, otherwise known as [son of Larry] David Ellison’s media company, otherwise known as The Jews. The Jews are buying the media again. That’s not even an exaggeration. It’s a fact… Warner Brothers is a major media conglomerate… they also own HBO, HBO Max, CNN, a number of other properties, and there’s currently a bidding war going on between Netflix…and Skydance Paramount, which is a new conglomerate, which came together in August of this year under the ownership of David Ellison. It looks like Netflix will acquire Warner Brothers… it seems that Warner Brothers is going with Netflix, that being said, the Ellisons are pulling some strings, and they’re trying to mount a hostile takeover of Warner Brothers. They want to acquire it by any means necessary… they’re using sovereign wealth funds in the Middle East to finance a very large cash offering for the entire company…
It is an operation by organized Jewry to accumulate more and more media assets, I believe, so that they can control the political conversation.
[So], Warner Brothers is sought by Skydance Paramount… Skydance Studios…acquired Paramount Global [earlier in 2025], and that is the CBS/Sumner Redstone (J) media conglomerate – they merged in August. As part of the deal, Skydance now controls CBS, in particular, CBS News… David Ellison put Barry Weiss (J) in charge of CBS News… she is now the editor-in-chief of CBS News… She has appointed a new nightly news anchor, Tony Dokoupil… [Tony’s ex-wife and two children currently reside in Israel, btw, according to Wiki]
[Tony] is the infamous Jewish news anchor who grilled Ta-Nehisi Coates for his brand new book last year about the Israeli genocide in the occupied Palestinian Territories. He was the Jewish host that grilled this black leftist for being anti-Israel. He was admonished by the higher-ups at CBS for being editorial, but ultimately the Jewish owner of CBS, Shari Redstone, came in an defended him because she’s a pro-Israel Zionist also. This person (Tony) is now the lead anchor on CBS news. Go figure. That’s what happens. They bought the media again and now they control the conversation. [Nicholas J. Fuentes, America First, Episode 1611]
The greatest disaster in American history was the Civil War: did the Jews cause that?
All Peoples fight amongst themselves. Now, I’m not so sure that slavery, in and of itself, was the primary cause of the Civil War, however, have you ever seen an old bill of lading for the negro cargo? There were very few (maybe no) Anglo-Saxons to be found as chief purveyors/proprietors of the human cargo from Africa. In fact, that blasted Saxon Wilberforce (and England) was quite busy eradicating chattel slavery, much to the chagrin of the whole non-White world – I’m sure you know this already – so, just how, exactly, did Anglo-Saxon America become the world’s whipping-boy over those poor African slaves and thereby shoulder the blame for the entire transatlantic trade? Why don’t we know, generally, about the much lengthier and drastically more brutal subsaharan trade? Why don’t we know, generally, about the much lengthier and drastically more broad/brutal Jewish history of trafficking slaves throughout history? Who is gatekeeping the Truth? Why don’t/can’t we exculpate ourselves?
I wonder how many ethnic Jewish Union soldiers were actually schlepping about with the unwashed mass of ethnic European soldiers who were fighting against their own southern brethren on behalf of a group of people they also abhorred in terms of integration within their own society? My guess is the Jews of the north and south were busy colluding to supply sundries and money for war. There’s a reason Ulysses S. Grant issued General Order No. 11 – the instances of Jewish perfidy and profiteering on human misery/conflict is factual.
Do observable patterns matter? At what point does historical consensus and coincidence become evidence? At the very least, when does jewish perfidy and disproportionate power become obvious?
“Manifesto to the Governments and Peoples of the Christian Nations Threatened by Judaism” – The First Anti-Jewish Congress in Dresden, September 11-12, 1882
[…]
The principle of liberty was also applied to a race [Jewry] whose first and foremost thoughts and energies are everywhere aimed at putting other nations in the moral and material shackles of slaves by all kinds of cunning behavior…
The Jews have become the undisputed masters of the financial markets…Consequently, they are the creators of fictitious values, the masters of credit and monetary turnover, whose channels they open up, at liberty, to their own fellow Tribesmen, while closing them off to any non-Jew not to their liking…
What’s more, the Jews hire influential men, who are active in public life, to fill well-paid positions at banks, railways, insurance, companies, etc. These individuals are thus virtually kept as Jewish vassals, and are the most zealous and influential supporters of Jewish power in the legislatures and governments.
Through incredible national debt burdens that are continuously increased by the Jewish financial powers in which the nation’s marrow, the government, of some indebted countries have become nothing more than Jewish institutions, Jewish collection agencies. This explains the complete inactivity of these governments with respect to the Jewish question, and also their hostile behavior against their own populations in favor of Jewry.
The Jews have managed… To gain direct control over the majority of the periodicals…To exert an indirect influence on them in their favor…
Thus, the Jews have become absolute masters, fabricators of public opinion. Any complaint raised against them, however justified it may be, is suppressed. Any article that addresses the subject of Jewish dominance to the slightest extent is done away with… the professional advancement of men active in public life, and the recognition and rewarding of their achievements, is dependent upon the favorable position of the Jewish press…
But many Jews do in fact resist or ignore those evil aspects of Jewish tradition.
How many? How many truly ally with gentiles unless a specific allyship benefits Jewry overall? Is Israel a genuine ally of America?
Jews like the Ellisons claim to ignore the evil aspects of Jewish tradition yet they partner with traditional Jews in the mass censorship of criticisms of Jews/Israel. Are the Palantir Jews secular and/or assimilated?
an apologist for the ruling elite.
Indeed, we Europeans must accept responsibility for our actions and/or inactions, but I posit that when it comes to Jewry, organized or not, due to Judeo-Christian mumbo jumbo and the overwhelming dearth of an ethnically national dissemination of objective Truth and accurate History, our Elite and our Regulars know NOT what we/Jews do. The Jews, generally, know exactly what’s what.
You're proving my point for me: you referred to "old Gentile Robber Barons," as if that was who I was criticizing when I criticized the early Progressives.[Tip] But, don’t intentions/objectives matter? And, if the intentions/objectives include, say, retribution/revenge/ordained and historical/cultural contempt, doesn’t the determined faction thereby seek results/outcomes for something other than personal gain/wealth/power? Were the old Gentile Robber Barons, if that’s what they actually were, seeking, ultimately, the ruination or permanent subjugation of their own peoples/nations?
[Dave] If it were not the Jews, it would be some other small, determined faction.
Nope, we can't -- we are not tribal in the same sense many Jews are.
Can the average American/European citizen organize, in any way, against the very real problem of Jewish tribalism and Zionist rapacity?
On the basis of… obsessive careful reading: The fighting of the German forces was magnificent, and there is no evidence of any dishonourable behaviour not forced by necessity.
This has been my experience, as well. The extraordinary breadth and scope of lies and falsehoods perpetuated against NS Germany, combined with the criminal and civil legislation that prohibits defense and/or inquiry into the myriad allegations/generally accepted historical narrative, has rendered ANY and ALL accusations/convictions highly suspect, and particularly so for any ruling made at Nuremberg.
WW2, in and of itself, was a Crime Against European/Germanic/Gentile/Christian Sovereignty; the Balfour Declaration was a Crime Against Humanity; Israel, in and of itself, is a living, breathing, rapacious, Alien Atrocity.
On the subject of the necessity, or the folly, of refuting the Holocaust Tall Tale, the complexity and intricacy of the coalitions and perfidies of Organized Jewry, frequently operating after/under the guise of fake or exaggerated pogroms, reparations, charity, or human rights, must be exposed, and Germany’s heroic efforts to prevent what we clearly observe in the deleterious state of the Middle East and the western world today, must be acknowledged and protected, always and at every turn, and fortunately, we don’t have to tell lies to defend Germany.
Many of Budapest’s Jewish children and teenagers spent time in different institutional homes that offered them a semblance of protection.
Zionist groups established protected houses for Jewish children in wartime Budapest. On June 11, 1944, the Swedish Red Cross made an agreement with the Hungarian authorities that created houses specifically for children, of which only ten percent were required to be Christian. Both the Swiss and Swedish Red Cross maintained relationships with Jewish leaders, most of whom were Zionists (International CRC, VH, and Zionist Youth)…* According to Robert Rozett, “many [children’s] houses presented themselves as Christian institutions.” The nstitute for Special Education may have been on such place, nominally a Christian institution, but allocated for the brotection of Jewish children in Budapest. “ICRC Report on Hungary for December 1944,” March 26, 1945, P10/172, Yad Vashem Archive.
[The Bitter End: Life and Survival in the Holocaust Diaries of Young Jewish Women in Budapest under the Arrow Cross Regime, October 1944 – February 1945, Allison Somogyi]
The Arrow Cross were comprised of Hungarians who, ALSO, sought to wrest their nation from the yoke of Jewish predations and infiltration, which was largely achieved in the aftermath of WW1, wherein Jewish populations somehow emerged from the rubble unscathed and economically sound, YET we are told, generally, that it was the German bigots who were the primary antagonists against European Jewry. It seems Germany is uniquely and singularly guilty, just as Jewry is uniquely and singularly (always) innocent – there is an unusual precision in the pattern of the inversions of truth regarding recent and historical relations between Gentiles and Jews. The “Holocaust/Final Solution” is a perfect example of such an inversion. On a necessary refutation, it’s recent, sufficiently documented (although officially obscured), and horrific enough to expose the patterns and the proportions to which Organized Jewry will go to achieve their aims. It’s not for nothing that Jewry is seeking “guardianship” of Red Cross records. For posterity, of course….The “Holocaust” is the crux of their arguments and current actions against Germany/Europa; German (and European) guilt must be denied outright.
So, safe-homes for Jewish children were established during the implementation of the “Final Solution?” Zionist groups and the Red Cross were running amok in “Nazi” occupied Hungary whilst the “Nazis” were busy trying to kill 350,00o-450,000 Jews? Jewry took advantage of Christian charity and then turned on their Christian benefactors? According to numerous “Shoah survivor” witnesses, many (Hungarian) Jewish fathers, uncles, and brothers were off in the countryside consorting with Russians/Bolsheviks, who were no real threat to Germany or Europe, in general. It’s almost as if Adolf Hitler was correct in his warnings against giving Jewry free reign, unlimited opportunities, or even succor, in an open society. It’s almost as if an Open Society can be/will be used as a Hunting Ground. That’s what We are these days…the hunted, like deers in headlights, because we don’t know the Truth.
The gist is – tell of a “Nazi” atrocity/war crime, find a Liar, Exaggerator, Projector, Thief, or someone who had it comin’.
on the hapless Jews of Eastern Europe and Russia
There’s NO such thing.
I repeat that when Britain took Palestine from the Ottoman Turks at the end of world war i they had a right to give it to the Jews as expressed in the Balfour Declaration
And, that Declaration was made directly to the Hapless Lord Rothschild. How was it that a private citizen was made such a fantastic and consequential guarantee by the nation of England? It’s almost as if the Hapless Ones occupy a singular nation within nations. It’s almost as if the Hapless Ones are indeed a political/national organization/body on par with all western nations.
Now, one could reasonably assume that in November 1917, England, smack in the occasion of losing a war against Germany after having rejected peace offers in 1916 and having removed English soldiers from the European front to tarry-off to facilitate an achievement in Palestine, would have had more pressing matters of concern regarding the welfare and the future of England/English peoples rather than seeking to endow Jews a refuge/redoubt in the Ottoman Empire at the expense of English blood and treasure? On that note, did the Ottomans take Palestine by Right of Conquest?
So, if Jews acquired Palestine through subterfuge, falsehoods, lies, bribes, and assassinations, do they have a right to it? Well, Mark Levin certainly thinks so. He also seems to think western nations have an obligation to sustain it on behalf of Israel/Jewry.
How did Jewry wrest Palestine from England after England won it “fair and square?” Dishonorable conquest/imperialism/nationalism for me but not for thee, sayeth Jewry….
the famous cedars of Lebanon
The existence of Cedar trees in Lebanon proves nothing about the overall accuracy/truth of the Bible. Personally, I think the Epic of Gilgamesh likely contains a more accurate history on what/who was running amok in the days of yore.
What does the Bible say about Baalbek? Who quarried and assembled the stones? The Bible seems to be a (often tall) tale of a reemergence rather than a beginning.
we will be grateful when God ejaculates you down into hell. We might even enjoy watching you get your fiery comeuppance down there
That’s a rather harsh penalty for arguing on the internet.
Well... MK's use of the verb "ejaculate" was certainty... imaginative?Seriously, if you have had much interaction with hard-core Evangelicals, you know his view is rather common among them, though, to be sure, few Evangelicals would use the vocabulary he used or declare that they would enjoy watching the damned in Hell. More common is something like, "We really regret this, but you are going to Hell if you don't accept Christ."As I recall, MK has stated a number of times in the past that he suffers from some sort of mental disturbance, and Ron Unz has tried to ban him in the past, but MK keeps figuring out ways to come back. I assume Ron just gave up.MK's anger seems to be due to the fact that I do not share his religious views but that I also know enough about the Bible and Judaism and Christianity to explain why I disagree.He must of course know that most Americans do not share his views, so I guess he must be angry an awful lot.You'll also notice that he veers wildly from one side to the other: on the one hand, he is defensive of Zionism and Judaism. Yet, he also said, "After all the biggest tragedy of the Holocaust is that only six million died," which seems, to put it mildly, rather hateful towards Jews. (He himself is of Jewish descent, but a convert to Christianity.)Anyway, being the object of his vitriol does not really bother me: I'm just curious as to how he worked himself into this state of belief and why he seems to be stuck in it.Since I was an adolescent and learned about the variety of world religions, I have always wondered why it is not clear to everyone that any particular religion must be at least questionable.But True Believers just don't think that way. I'm genuinely curious about how human minds work like this.Take care.Dave Miller in Sacramento[Tiptoe] That’s a rather harsh penalty for arguing on the internet.
[MK's comment to Dave] we will be grateful when God ejaculates you down into hell. We might even enjoy watching you get your fiery comeuppance down there
I’ll go back to Africa as soon as you and your extended family return to Europe.
I’m not the one to suggest that – Everybody should go back to where they came from. I suggest that those who were brought in or let in should go back whence they came.
No segment if humanity is indispensable for the continuing existence and flourishing of the species.
Au contraire, Henri. How does one exist and flourish in say, Haiti, these days for a lack of a French segment of humanity? What flourishes in Haiti is that segment of humanity that remains/returns feral without European boots on black necks to maintain a semblance of a functioning/higher civilization.
Incidentally, I invite you to read this wonderful book by Antenor Firmin, The Equality of the Human Races (1885).
I don’t need to read some twaddle written 140 years ago by a black man who was an obvious anomaly amongst his race to argue that what looks different often is different. Black Haiti is rather different than Saint Domingue precisely because the inhabitants were/are rather different.
Western Europe didn’t invent civilisation; it is just one part of the world where human progress was achieved… and later than other parts of the world inhabited by non-White people
The origins of human civilization/humanity is indeed a mystery. The true history thereof is hidden from us all, I’m certain. But, what I do know, also for certain, is that negroes are not/were not the apex of humanity, and we can determine this simply by observing the appearance/behaviors/accomplishments of human groups today. What is true today, despite the myriad advantages and assistance bestowed upon the lessers of humanity, was true yesterday – there is no such thing as human equality; race is real; different races are inherently different and these differences create/sustain different societies/outcomes.
On the history of White Peoples, who you claim lagged behind the rest of the non-White world:
“Indra, the Iron One with yellow beard and yellow hair.” – [Rig Veda 10]
“The mighty Thunderer [Indra] with his fair-complexioned friends won the land, the sunlight, and the waters.” – [Rig Veda 1]
“I will sing of Aphrodite, gold-crowned and beautiful… They clothed her with heavenly garments and adorned her with golden necklaces over her soft neck and snow-white breasts.” [Homer, 850 BC]
On the other side of the planet:
According to legend, Quetzalcoatl, as he was known in Mexico, taught the natives their religion, art and science. Mesoamerican reverence for this god helped prepare the way for Hernán Cortés and other European explorers to conquer the New World.
Legends do not agree on why Quetzalcoatl left his people and the land, taking all prosperity with him. He traveled to the east and told the people that he would return in the future…
Legends say that Quetzalcoatl was tall and light-skinned, with blonde hair and a beard, in contrast to the natives who were short, dark skinned and dark haired.
It is no wonder, then, that the Indians were not surprised when Hernán Cortés arrived in Mexico. When he entered the country in 1519…Cortés was tall, bearded and light-skinned… [EPCC Library Services, Borderlands: Aztec Beliefs Helped Conquer Mexico]
It’s the same everywhere – White Devils bring civilization/order/construction schematics; White Devils go and the civilization they built suffers and humanity then lives amongst the ruins.
Everybody should go back to where they came from.
So, when will you be returning to Africa?
Human beings move around and have always moved around on this small planet, both individually and in groups.
Exactly. And, that’s just a facet of general human behavior throughout history ….unless you were a European. Then it was colonization, imperialism, genocide, etc.
Name ONE nation, historically, that did not benefit, ultimately, from the presence of European man; name one nation (or an American city) that did not devolve over a dearth of European man. Let’s start with the nations in Africa…or Detroit, Michigan.
Somehow humanity will continue to muddle through.
They will muddle, for sure. All the world will resemble South Africa/Zimbabwe/Detroit.
I suspect that most occupational disparities are the result of natural tendencies that differ between the sexes. Left to their own devices, men and women will tend to specialize according to their strengths and weaknesses. Any attempt to interfere with this will most likely make people less content than they would otherwise be. I oppose the watering down of legitimate job-related standards to achieve numerical balance and I oppose affirmative action in all its forms.
The effect, if any, of genetic/physiological differences between the sexes on the roles of men and women in society,
This is the heart of the problem in almost all manosphere thinking. Tulips, for example, is very bent out of shape about White women carrying signs. He believes that the lying media can be trusted 100%…. This goes beyond mere confirmation bias into the realm of willful ignorance.
I am not a “he.” I am bent out of shape over what I observe/experience in western society today, particularly how it has (horrifically) changed as a result of non-western/non-White/non-Saxon immigration and influence; the media is corrupt and not to be relied upon or trusted, in general; in my experience, feminists and liberals like to assert/charge confirmation bias! rather than simply acknowledge observable reality/pattern recognition/historical precedent.
The effect, if any, of genetic/physiological differences between the sexes on the roles of men and women in society…. If you’re hoping to nail me down as either feminist or anti-feminist, I’m afraid you’re out of luck.
I don’t think you sufficiently answered his question; perhaps you didn’t understand it, fundamentally. The “nail me down” accusation speaks for itself.
Have you even read Mein Kampf?
Have you, richard gwyn? The honest answer to that is NO, said by someone (myself) who has read it completely, both part one and two. and summarized it for those who are interested but unwilling to read the original. https://carolynyeager.net/mkvoli and https://carolynyeager.net/mkvolii] From the number of reads recorded, I can deduce that very few want to really know Hitler’s mind-set, but are satisfied with a couple of ideas that they think they can use to advance their own beliefs. You are in that very large group Mr. Gwyn.
I therefore can tell readers here that Hitler did NOT express “hatred for Slavs” in MK 1 or 2. Complaints or criticism of people/groups is not hatred, except in the arsenal of propagandists. It is stated that in the 14th century Poland’s most popular ruler, Casimir 3rd:
” invited Jews to settle in Poland in great numbers and protected them as people of the king. About 70 percent of the world’s European Jews, or Ashkenazi, can trace their ancestry to Poland due to Casimir’s reforms.[29].” Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casimir_III_the_Great
In Poland, Jews became the intellectual and administrative elite, making the commonwealth more prosperous than the Polish folk could manage on their own. After WW1, Poland’s Jews (many with Polish names) started flooding into a weakened Germany, into what was called the Weimar Republic, much to the harm of the German folk. Added to the Poles were many thousands of Russian Jews, practically all of which were leftists & Marxists who plotted to overthrow the German political order, and did succeed in establishing the communist-anarchist “Bavarian Soviet Republic” in the spring of 1919, through violent means. Over 600 people were killed. So they were a very serious threat.
Were Slavs good for Germany? Hell no, and never even tried to be. Germans were good to Slavs. But finally, one sees the light, and Adolf Hitler saw the light in 1919 and took action for the good (salvation) of his nation. I’ve known for a long time that the Anglo version of NS Germany has everything exactly backwards, including that it was/is the Slavs who hate the Germans, not the Germans hating the Slavs. Any fair-minded look at the history of Central and Eastern Europe shows the evidence of that truth. Thus, the Slavs are lying about their treatment “by Germans;” they’ve been taught it by their leaders and they stupidly (sorry) follow right along. Slavs have a problem seeing what’s good for themselves.
That is the answer to the German-Slav problem, the German Polish problem.
This is a Spiritual War.
Yes, but you confuse “Spiritual” with religious and biblical. So in John, chapter 8, Jesus says to the Pharisees:
You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
He was challenging the Church (Temple) authorities of the day/culture, just as I am doing — the letter of the law with the spirit of the law. IOW, you see YOUR understanding (interpretation) of Christ’s teachings as the ONLY interpretation allowed. You are just like the Pharisees.
You are of the ones that, when Christ comes, He will say “I know you not.” I’m not preaching, but only showing another way to see it. Jesus Christ was all about seeing the “familiar” from a different perspective; He did not come to overthrow anything. His actual teaching and life example is that physical change isn’t necessary, bc it’s an inner change that reveals the meaning of “Spiritual,” ie. God. No two people will ever experience that in the same way, so don’t look for confirmation from outside. “Those who have ears to hear, let them hear.”
Inaccurate, empty statements - truly retarded, without any evidence, any backup.
Were Slavs good for Germany? Hell no, and never even tried to be. Germans were good to Slavs.
Earlier, ~18 min, Pappé said:
“In every conversation Theodor Herzl had with a leader or ruler in Europe he kept explaining that ’this [Jewish settlement in Palestine] is not for the Western European Jews; it’s all for the Eastern European Jews and it will prevent them from entering Western Europe and Britain.’ "
Replies: @Rurik
“In Britain, the Jewish leaders that led zionism were made of Western European Jews who did not at all think that their place is in Palestine. …Part of them were British aristocrats, Anglo-Jewish Aristocrats.
They actually shared sentiments like the ones expressed by Lord Balfour in 1905 when he was the Prime Minister of Britain, that indeed there is antisemitism in Central and Eastern Europe that has to be resolved but God forbid if the result would be an influx of Eastern European Jews into Britain.'
That they wanted to stop, both the Anglo-Jewish aristocrats and Balfour wanted to stop the influx of Jews coming to Britain.
And also, after 1905 they begin to think they are all Bolsheviks as well and so, it was trying to make sure into which direction the flight from Russia and Poland and Romania is going.”
Replies: @anonymous, @Tiptoethrutulips, @Rosie, @BrooLidd, @BrooLidd
1) The effect, if any, of genetic/physiological differences between the sexes on the roles of men and women in society,
2) The careers of Ursula von der Leyen, Kaja Kallas, Annalena Baerbock, et al.
Rosie, I’d be very interested in hearing your views
Why bother when she posts this drivel? –
Like I said, when AOC is president… Tucker Carlson is a race traitor…spreading dissident right misogynist propaganda…go ahead and start planning for a future in AOC’s Gulags… Men are bitter that women are less prone to antisocial behavior than they are…society would work better if you all cooperated with your wives, BTW isn’t it interesting that nobody GAF about Fuentes’ disgusting misogyny?
Is Tucker Carlson a race traitor or is he still stuck in the Boas Bubble of genetic human equality or in the One In Christ, Judge Ye Not, Vengeance Is Mine, Christianity Conundrum?
AOC for president? What has AOC done for NYC? AOC allies herself with “The Squat,” all of whom are non-White, relatively stupid women, who are not interested in saving an Anglo-Saxon America, and who have not/will not express an iota of appreciation/loyalty to the White Men, generally, who created and sustained America as a constitutional republic for most of its existence. I wonder if Rosie admires Hillary and Kamala, too? (Not solely because they’re female, but because of all that they’ve accomplished, of course.)
Nick Fuentes is certainly a curmudgeon, but he’s incessantly quoted/judged for statements taken out of context or spoken in jest/hyperbole. I find him rather hilarious when commenting on social ills, which includes modern feminism/women, and he’s spot-on/insightful when discussing politics/history/Organized Jewry. If you actually listen to Fuentes long enough, you understand him better. A truly confident/informed/introspective/natural Woman takes no real offense when Fuentes, or men, in general, spout-off about the things they consider gone haywire in modern society, which certainly includes modern feminism, which is essentially a rejection of the world wherein feminine strengths/proclivities prevail and sustain life/civilization. This imposed rejection of “natural order” is the cause, in my opinion, of the prevalence/necessity for anti-anxiety/anti-depressant medications amongst young women today. Nick Fuentes is not politically correct, nor is he fundamentally wrong about modern women. I have to admit it.
In keeping with the subject matter of this thread, I think it’s helpful to point out that Organized Jewry and the Bolsheviks find/found it necessary to “liberate” women (and minorities, btw) from what was, generally, well-functioning and prosperous European societies in order to ensconce themselves and weaken/disrupt the societies in which they sought to enter/dominate. The “liberation” of White/European Women from their White/European Men is good for the Jews/communism! Consider that, you strong western women! You are just emancipated tools for a deleterious agenda.
And, it’s apparently good for other minorities, too – have you seen video footage from London/Paris lately? WHAT sort of women continue to rally with signs of Refugees welcome here! as boatloads of hideous-looking black/brown creatures, all young males, descend upon Europe? Now, it’s “illegal” for European men to protect European women/girls from the predations of non-White men. Resistance/punishment is a “hate crime” or an “incitement to racial oppression.” Maybe that’s a source of “western male bitterness.”
Those boats should be capsized, and nary an apology made for so doing.
I agree. That's why I wondered what Rosie thought about 'the natural order,' and its effect on men's and women's roles in society. Does she simply deny the existence of such an order?
This imposed rejection of “natural order” is the cause, in my opinion, of the prevalence/necessity for anti-anxiety/anti-depressant medications amongst young women today.
I agree... literally.Replies: @ThreeCranes
Now, it’s “illegal” for European men to protect European women/girls from the predations of non-White men...
Those boats should be capsized, and nary an apology made for so doing.
Russians spontaneously rose up and toppled the Czarist monarchy with nary a Jew in sight.
Oh, here’s the BolshevikPretzel laying stink-bombs and wading-off against the wobbly Noodle(s) who never fails to straddle over each and every issue/argument for the sake of conversing with someone besides himself/themselves.
So, Pretzel, how many Jews were on the ground when the vast mass of the American military marched off to FIGHT THEM OVER THERE in Iraq in 2003? You know, off we went for the sole purpose of defending democracy and freedom on behalf of clueless Anglo-Saxon America whilst the free world, including America itself, was living in fear, daily, of flying Iraqis. Didn’t BiBi actually say, 911 was good for the Jews! The Jews may not always be on the ground, but what about the strings that need pulling, Pretzel?
We know the drill –
HEARINGS BEFORE A SUBCOMMITTEE OF THE COMMITTEE ON THE JUDICIARY
UNITED STATES SENATE SIXTY-FIFTH CONGRESS
FEBRUARY 11, 1919, TO MARCH 10, 1919David R. Francis, Ambassador to Russia, 1916-1917 – Mr. FRANCIS: “The Bolshevik leaders here, most of whom are Jews and 90% of whom are returned exiles, care little for Russia or any other country but are internationalists and they are trying to start a worldwide social revolution.”
…The Bolsheviks of course used the arms against the Provisional Government, and when the elections to the Constituent Assembly eventually came at the end of November 1917, the Bolsheviks filled the assembly hall with soldiers armed with rifles, grenades and machine guns and rejected the result of the vote… The Bolsheviks declared that Constitutional Democrats were to be arrested and Lenin established his dictatorship.
[…]
Mr. FRANCIS. […] That was attended with more or less success too, but these Bolsheviks were always trying to undermine the Kerensky government…You must remember that Russia, in addition to occupying one-seventh of the dry land of the earth, has 180,000,000 people, about 90 per cent of whom are uneducated, and the other 10 per cent of whom are overeducated…There is a middle class, called the intelligentsia, and the Bolsheviks have been attempting to wipe out the bourgeoise and the intelligentsia.
[…]
Mr. FRANCIS. Exactly. I wish to say here that I think that Lenine was a German agent from the beginning . They would never have permitted him to come through Germany if they had not thought or known they could use him. He disbursed money very liberally.
Lenine, however, was not so opposed to Germany as he was in favor of promoting a world-wide social revolution. I wired the department that I thought that was his object…Mr. FRANCIS. Oh, the general government? No; there has been no election whatever since.
Senator KING. That is to say, Lenine and Trotsky, and those who are in control of the Bolshevik government, are not there as the result of a general election?
Mr. FRANCIS. No; no. They are there as usurpers.
Senator KING. By force and terror?
Mr. FRANCIS. I do not think they represent more than 10 per cent of the Russians.
… The Bolshevik army today is variously estimated at from 200,000 to 700,000 men, but they are not in a body, they are scattered over the country, and they are composed in part of Chinese and Lett soldiers, and Russian Red Guards, and Russians who are forced to serve. You see, for the past five or six months they have been arresting women and conning them as hostages for the reappearance of their husbands and sons and brothers, whom they compel to serve with the Bolshevik army.
So, Stalin awarded the Bolshevik Jews a special protected status in Russia, yes? Just a happy accident, was it?
Tell us all about the NKVD heads assisting Lenin/Stalin – Genrikh Yagoda, Yakov Agranov, and the heads of the Gulag death camps – Aron Solts, Yakov Rappoport, Lazar Kogan, Matvei Berman, Naftaly Frenkel, and Lazar Kaganovich – Russians all?
And, here’s mention of another happy accident for Jewry, who never seem to have their boots on the ground for their emancipation/agendas or appear in vast masses during conflicts; HOW do they do it? –
The Sentinel, 20 April 1917
Dinner for Julius Rosenwald brings large pledges – New York – A dinner was given last Sunday by Jacob H Schiff, in honor of Julius Rosenwald of Chicago and Henry Morgenthau, ex Ambassador to Turkey. The feast followed the meeting of the national emergency conference held by the American Jewish Relief Committee to map out its campaign to raise $10,000,000 for Jewish war victims during the year…..contributions…had been made by Mr. Felix M. Warburg , Mr. Rosenwald, Mr. Schiff, and Mr. Morganthau….Mr. Morganthau announced that his contribution would be $100,000 and that it’s special purpose would be to establish a hospital unit in Russia in recognition of the emancipation of the Jew, won through the Russian Revolution.
“Americans,” all fighting (fund-raising) for the liberation of the Rus? The Slavs? Sure, Pretzel, nary a Jew around when the shit hits the fan….
You know, a few days ago I wrote a comment saying that James Corbett was 100% right in EVERYTHING he's posted, over the last decade or more that I've been following him.
Aside from those who like to be entertained by conspiracy-podcasts, I can’t imagine why anyone would pay any attention to anything he produces.
The fact is that Corbett, without explicitly saying so, has become somewhat of a libertarian.
He [James Corbett] noted that driving a car was dangerous and we had a huge number of government-imposed rules, including traffic lights, speed limits, and land markings.
But he claimed that if we got rid of all of those things, driving would become much safer
Needless to say, I pummelled those dimwits into the turf.
Summary: Centralised Big Gubmint operating in some far off locale, tends to impose ONE SIZE FITS ALL B.S restrictions on far off communities that are often inappropriate.
Ron, I never thought you were one of these dupes that believed we needed Big Gubmint to micromanage our lives.
I've had several exchanges with morons in UR (all slavish sycophants of Big Gubmint), who have the mindset that:
'If it weren't for those wise and altruistic overlords in Big Gubmint, many of us would be sitting in a ditch by the side of the road, bleeding and rendered limbless because of exploding electronic devices that were not regulated by Gubmint.
James Corbett has the wisdom (like Dr Ron Paul), to see the obvious.
These are REAL WORLD DISASTROUS OUTCOMES from being 'protected' by Big Gubmint.
TV – I thought you might have an interest –
What the ‘Godfather of Vaccines’ Said Under Oath — and Why It Matters Even More Today
By advising to Keep Poland Polish? By repeatedly suggesting that Poland was also a victim of the forces seeking to prevent Germany from asserting German (aka - ethnic European) sovereignty; from reclaiming illegally seized territory/resources; from removing the alien/deleterious/parasitical agenda from within the levers of power/influence in Germany; from setting an example for the rest of the world on the results of actual ethnic solidarity and actual international cooperation, sans the underlying rancor, hostility, and perpetual deceit exhibited by the then (and now) advocates for global “cooperation” (aka dominance) led by the Rootless Chosen; from thereby revealing the truth/nature of WHAT/WHO was (is) actually driving a global agenda that is stripping away the earned (and more benevolent than not) dominance and prosperity of Europa on behalf of Eretz Israel, which clearly is not confined to the Levant?
Because in your big picture there’s no place for me. You proved it time and again.
Here’s the link for German names/victims for your further ignoral….
https://www.wintersonnenwende.com/scriptorium/english/archives/deathinpoland/dp00.html
Because in your big picture there's no place for me.
Why don’t you get off the topic of chronic Slavic victimhood and pay a bit of attention to the bigger picture that is observable today because of yesterday’s Lies?
Because in your big picture there’s no place for me. You proved it time and again.
By advising to Keep Poland Polish? By repeatedly suggesting that Poland was also a victim of the forces seeking to prevent Germany from asserting German (aka – ethnic European) sovereignty; from reclaiming illegally seized territory/resources; from removing the alien/deleterious/parasitical agenda from within the levers of power/influence in Germany; from setting an example for the rest of the world on the results of actual ethnic solidarity and actual international cooperation, sans the underlying rancor, hostility, and perpetual deceit exhibited by the then (and now) advocates for global “cooperation” (aka dominance) led by the Rootless Chosen; from thereby revealing the truth/nature of WHAT/WHO was (is) actually driving a global agenda that is stripping away the earned (and more benevolent than not) dominance and prosperity of Europa on behalf of Eretz Israel, which clearly is not confined to the Levant?
Here is a case for Germany, which you won’t bother to peruse, nor will you attempt to confirm/consider:
https://archive.org/details/GERMANFOREIGNOFFICE100DOCUMENTSONTHEORIGINOFTHEWAREN1939254S.SCAN
“The Unknown History of the 1939 German-Polish Conflict: A Brief Synopsis” – Here you will find NAMES of German victims of persecution by Poles/Polish policy:
http://www.wintersonnenwende.com/scriptorium/english/archives/articles/wrsynopsis.html
The Poles were not “innocent” bystanders during the 20th century Deuteronomy am Europa. As HD David Irving once said, “Everyone is the architect of their own misfortune.” But, some people (groups) are more guilty than others.
https://en.metapedia.org/wiki/File:Anti-German_Polish_propaganda_Poster_before_1939.jpg.
Anti-German Polish propaganda Poster before 1939 comparing fantasy borders now and then: “We have not been here since yesterday – once Lübeck and Berlin – Leipzig and Breslau belonged to King Boleslau – today (only Poland within the borders until 1939). We had advanced far to the west.” In order to stir up anti-German sentiment, Polish “historians” claimed, completely unrealistically, that Poland had advanced far into the Holy Roman Empire and into the domain of the Hanseatic League. These and other incitements and revanchist demands were intended to further increase Polish hatred of everything German.
What's wrong with that?Nazi SS Galizien was a criminal organization.
"In the post, Czarnek said: “In view of the scandalous events in the Canadian Parliament, which involved honoring a member of the criminal Nazi SS Galizien formation in the presence of President Zelenskyy, I have taken steps towards the possible extradition of this man to Poland…Czarnek asked the Institute of National Remembrance to urgently research whether Hunka was wanted for “crimes against the Polish Nation and Poles of Jewish origin”.
What’s wrong with that?
On judgment of Hunka/NSDAP Germany – Give me the man [nation], and I will find the crime – is what prevails.
And, on that note – The Declaration on German Atrocities (the Moscow Declaration) released on November 1, 1943, had already stated the intention of the United States, Great Britain, France, and the Soviet Union to prosecute [German] war criminals. War crimes had been determined/found against Germany in 1943? By what authority? Does Ex Post Facto mean anything to you? Is it a Polish value, too?
The NSDAP was designated a criminal regime as early as August, 1933 by the “Great American” and World Citizen, Samuel Untermyer, who proclaimed (lied) to America and the world:
It is a war that must be waged unremittingly until the black clouds of bigotry, race hatred and fanaticism that have descended upon what was once Germany, but is now medieval Hitlerland, have been dispersed.
…this fair land of freedom [USA] has escaped the curse that has descended upon benighted Germany, which has thereby been converted from a nation of culture into a veritable hell of cruel and savage beasts.
We owe it not only to our persecuted brethren but to the entire world to now strike in self-defense a blow that will free humanity… This time the Jews are the victims…
Now or never must all the nations of the earth make common cause against [Germany]…
and already partially executed campaign for the extermination of a proud, gentle, loyal, law-abiding people — a people who love and have shed their blood for their Fatherland, and to whom Germany owes in large part its prosperity [the Jews]…
But why dwell longer upon this revolting picture of the ravages wrought by these ingrates and beasts of prey, animated by the loathsome motives of race hatred, bigotry and envy. For the Jews are the aristocrats of the world.
the idealistic dream of our martyred President of making the world safe for democracy and of protecting minorities…
What we are proposing…economic boycott that will undermine the Hitler regime and bring the German people to their senses by destroying their export trade on which their very existence depends.
There is nothing new in the use of the economic boycott as an instrument of justice.
Each of you, Jew and Gentile alike, who has not already enlisted in this sacred war…
Was an economic boycott instrumental in executing the Diktat of Versailles? Indeed.
Was Germany exterminating Jews in 1933? Nope, and not a single Shoah “survivor” from Germany, to whom I listened, testified in accordance with Untermyer’s cockamamie and hysterical accusations of pre-war NS Germany. The “crime” of exterminating 6 Million! Jews was already seeking its Offender as early as 1933.
The Nuremberg Tribunal’s verdict in 1946 classified the entire Waffen-SS as a criminal organization,
The Nuremberg Tribunal was an actual exercise in eliminating witnesses/opposition to the crimes, lies, and shenanigans of Organized Jewry and the Allies. There was no implementation of western jurisprudence standards or process at this “trial.”
But I know that if you had a chance, you’d erase me form the surface of the Earth… all I want is for you to leave my people alone
Isn’t this what Germany was asserting, more or less, on behalf of Germany, and to an extent, on behalf of Europe, in 1933?
In point of fact, there are certain human groups whose removal from the surface of the earth would have absolutely NO deleterious impact on humanity; said removal would actually be a net-positive, and frankly, Europeans (even the “dreaded” Slavs) are not amongst this group of earthly pests.
And, stop with your “give me the published names” schtick – as if you are unaware of the decades long cultural and civil/criminal prohibition of inquiry and/or opposition in media/academia/politics to the established narrative of German Guilt/Allied Righteousness.
Why don’t you get off the topic of chronic Slavic victimhood and pay a bit of attention to the bigger picture that is observable today because of yesterday’s Lies? Do some due diligence, Odysseus/tolkin. For example, the Germans confiscated official Polish documents that exposed Allied treachery and meddling in 1939 and offered them to the world for scrutiny and analysis:
The German Foreign Office made the documents public on Friday, 29 March 1940. In Berlin, journalists from around the world, including the United States, were given facsimile copies of the original Polish documents and translations in German. Journalists were permitted to examine the original documents themselves, along with an enormous pile of other documents from the Polish Foreign Ministry.
The release of the documents was an international media sensation. American newspapers gave the story large front page headline coverage and published lengthy excerpts from the documents. But the impact was much less than the German government had hoped for.
Leading U.S. government officials wasted no time in vehemently denouncing the documents as not authentic.
These categorical public denials by the highest officials had the effect of almost completely undercutting the anticipated impact of the documents…In 1940, the vast majority of the American people trusted their political leaders to tell them the truth.
After all, if the documents made public to the world by the German government were in fact authentic and genuine, it would mean that the great leader of the American democracy was a man who lied to his own people and broke his own country’s laws, while the German government told the truth.
Only a few were not impressed with the official denials. Representative Hamilton Fish of New York, the ranking Republican member of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, called for a Congressional investigation and declared in a radio address: “If these charges were true, it would constitute a treasonable act. If President Roosevelt has entered into secret understandings or commitments with foreign governments to involve us in war, he should be impeached.”
American newspapers stressed the high-level denials in reporting the release of the documents. The New York Times headline read: U.S. BRANDS AS FALSE NAZI DOCUMENTS CHARGING WE FOSTERED WAR IN EUROPE AND PROMISED TO JOIN ALLIES IF NEEDED. The Baltimore Sun headlined: NAZI DOCUMENTS LAYING WAR BLAME ON U.S. ARE ASSAILED IN WASHINGTON.
An important unanswered question is: Where are the original Polish documents today?
Unless they were destroyed in the conflagration of the war, they presumably fell into either American or Soviet hands in 1945.
It is particularly important to keep in mind that these secret reports were written by top level Polish ambassadors, that is, by men who though not at all friendly to Germany nonetheless understood the realities of European Politics far better than those who made policy in the United States.
For example, the Polish ambassadors realized that behind all their rhetoric about democracy and human rights, and expressions of love for the United States, the Jews who agitated for war against Germany were actually doing nothing other than ruthlessly furthering their own purely sectarian interests. Many centuries of experience in living closely with the Jews had made the Poles far more aware than most nationalities of the special character of this people.
The Poles viewed the Munich Settlement of 1938 very differently than did Roosevelt and his circle.
The President bitterly attacked the Munich agreement, which gave self-determination to the three and a half million Germans of Czechoslovakia and settled a major European crisis, as a shameful and humiliating capitulation to German blackmail.
Although wary of German might, the Polish government supported the Munich agreement, in part because a small Polish territory which had been a part of Czechoslovakia against the wishes of its inhabitants was united with Poland as a result of the Settlement.
The Polish envoys held the makers of American foreign policy in something approaching contempt. President Roosevelt was considered a master political artist who knew how to mold American public opinion, but very little about the true state of affairs in Europe.
They hate this Germany which in the course of seven years has labored to afford its people a decent life… they hate this Germany, which has eliminated unemployment, which in spite of their wealth, they have not been able to eliminate.. this Germany, which grants its labor decent housing… it is big money men – they’re Jewish and non-Jewish international barons, banking barons… who hate us because they see in Germany, a bad example of potentially rousing other peoples… opposed to [us], there stands a completely different world. In that world, the highest ideal is the struggle for wealth, for capital…
Two worlds confront each other today. – Adolf Hitler
And, where is your counter to Hartmann’s argument (#1346)?
Because in your big picture there's no place for me.
Why don’t you get off the topic of chronic Slavic victimhood and pay a bit of attention to the bigger picture that is observable today because of yesterday’s Lies?
you also reminded us of the Sorbs
Who’s us? You and PocketMousePenelope?
The only persecution of Germans in pre-war Poland was as follows:
1. They had to attend Polish schools.
2. They had to pay “Polish” taxes.
3. They had to speak Polish in public offices.For many Germans, this was probably true torture.
Apologies if this is repeating something already mentioned by someone else, but this is not quite right.
Granted, to speak of “atrocities” against the German minority before the invasion is perhaps going too far. There was nothing like the Bromberg massacre (3-4 Sept.) before Germany intervened and England and France declared war.
But prior to the invasion, there were credible reports of sporadic violence against ethnic Germans, to include the occasional burning of German homes. Eventually camps had to be erected on the German border to accommodate refugees from Poland. The German Foreign Ministry estimated that before the German intervention the number of ethnic Germans fleeing Poland had reached 78,000, with another 18,000 taking refuge in the Free City of Danzig. The British Ambassador in Warsaw reported that he thought the German numbers were inflated; he estimated in all 17,000 had fled.
On 19 June the German Ambassador in Warsaw, Hans-Adolf von Moltke — a career diplomat and no fan of Hitler — reported back to the Foreign Ministry in Berlin about the futility of his protests so far:
When I asked him whether he thought it would be appropriate to put a stop to this dangerous policy, the Polish Secretary of State, Count Szembek, responded with nothing more than a resigned shrug of his shoulders. Although he expressed regret at the deterioration of the situation, he showed no initiative whatsoever to follow my suggestion and bring about a reduction in the hostilities.
A few weeks later he added:
It has always been difficult to raise minority issues in the Foreign Ministry. However, as the daily increase in acts of violence against ethnic Germans shows, the Polish government now obviously feels so empowered by the blank check from England that, when dealing with the minority, it no longer considers it necessary to show any consideration for German interests.
–German Foreign Ministry, Dokumente zur Vorgeschichte des Krieges (Berlin, 1939), pp. 362, 369, cited in E. Dahl, Das erste Opfer des Krieges ist die Wahrheit, 3rd edn. (Würselen, 2023), pp. 42 f.
In his memoirs, the former Deputy Press Secretary of the German government defended the contemporary German newspaper reports:
In fact, there had been a series of incidents. I myself spoke with the then State Secretary in the Reich Ministry of the Interior, who had been fired upon by Polish anti-aircraft guns while flying in a normal commercial aircraft from Danzig to Stettin across the sea. The refugee camps on the corridor border were not a propaganda invention either—Polish tempers across the border were indeed running high, and there was enough material to fill the newspapers with well-founded reports.
–Helmut Sündermann, Hier stehe ich (Leoni, 1975), p. 143, cited in Dahl, p. 44.
And when discussing the period in his memoirs, the former State Secretary (number two position in the Foreign Ministry), Ernst von Weizsäcker — like von Moltke not a Party member and not a Hitler admirer — had this to say:
However, there were plenty of incidents on the Polish side. I did not rely on the German press for my information. Our representative in Warsaw, Moltke, who in my opinion was the best ambassador we had at the time, took the increase in nationalist riots very seriously. … It is clear that the dispute over the treatment of the German minority was not invented by Hitler.
–Ernst von Weizsäcker, Erinnungen (Munich, 1950), pp. 242 f., cited in Dahl, p. 44.
I was recently looking through the first volume of the Vatican wartime diplomatic correspondence, where it is clear that reports of Polish abuse of the German minority were taken seriously by neutral third parties, and considered a significant threat to peace. There was also some frustration expressed with the Polish authorities’ cavalier attitude.
German supremacists and chauvinists present here (Tulip)
Oh, cry me a river, “Tolkin.” How about a little accuracy? Race realist. White supremacist. Racist. Functionally, visually, intellectually observant and aware. NOT stupid. NOT ridiculous. A Proud and Unapologetic German (and Celt/White/European). Unwilling to sacrifice the present and future civilizations and peoples of Europa/Whites for the Lie of Human Equality. Antisemite.
Friedrich Wilhelm Foerster…He argued that Germany’s true greatness should lie in altruistic human service and international cooperation, not military dominance.
Altruistic Human Service to whom and to what degree? To people who can’t/won’t reciprocate, nor appreciate? To peoples who hate/resent their “betters?” To a pathological/suicidal degree? Well, off to Dachau with Friedrich and his goofy ilk, I say.
International cooperation implies a mutually beneficial exchange. [By 1938], Germany was single-handedly bringing Europe out of the depression….
You clearly have no idea or knowledge on what Hitler/Germany was attempting to accomplish for all of Europe. National Socialism was only for Germany/Germans, but mutual cooperation amongst nations was the ideal and objective. Germany was to take its place, as recovered/earned/invited. The “altruistic” international cooperation you whinge on was actually an effort to thwart the German prosperity/recovery via a pro-Germanic, anti-Jewish agenda; Europe and America suffers today for the lack of a pro-European, anti-Zion/anti-Israel/anti-Jew focus, and for a refusal to accept Reality, be it racial, cultural, historical, or otherwise.
or perhaps the final subjugation and crushing of the Central European Slavs
Are you out of your mind? Who in the world is trying to rid Europe of the Slavs? Maybe it’s the same group who knows all about international cooperation, and who also wants Europe filled with Asians and blacks.
Who’s mocking me?
hence the reason you are mocked and ridiculed on a regular basis.
Which Panzer, or Panzer-ally, has herein expressed an irrational, or even a general, hatred of Poles or Slavs? Which of us has expressed a ghoulish satisfaction over the sufferings of soldiers and/or civilians of any nation during and after WW2? The gleeful and visceral cooing over human tragedy and suffering comes from your pack, always.
With regard to the established “facts” on German guilt, how is it possible to refute or object to the myriad allegations and accusations against Germany when it is illegal, in Germany/Europe, to do so? By 1943, the Allies, including the Soviets, had already designated German actions as war crimes. Decades later, in the few cases where the accused were able to present an actual defense, such as the case in Canada in 1985 against Zundel, the accusers went down in flames:
[…] the failure of Jewish eyewitnesses to provide credible testimony at the 1985 Ernst Zündel trial caused Harvard law professor Alan Dershowitz to write that the trial was “a total victory for Holocaust deniers and a total disaster for Holocaust survivors and the Jewish people.” [ Kahn, Robert A., Holocaust Denial and the Law: A Comparative Study, New York: Palgrave MacMillan, 2004, p. 119.]
Dr. Rudolf Aschenauer was defense attorney for many German soldiers and officials accused of war crimes. Aschenauer was a member of the SA and NSDAP and also served on the Eastern Front during WWII in the Wehrmacht.
Rudolf: […] I saw the Red war on the people and the church…The Soviet system had turned Russia into a giant slave state where everything was taken by the state and no one had any personal property. The people who once were well-off were either killed off or made poor.
Seeing what I saw only convinced me of the good of our fight, and the need to forever destroy this pestilence of Marx and Lenin. All of this Cold War would have been avoided had we been given a free hand in the east…The Soviet system has murdered countless millions and yet not a word about it in the press. What they did to our prisoners of war and people is not spoken of, the press just brushes it off as if we deserved it, it was retribution. I will not buy into their propaganda; I know our soldiers behaved correctly as I was there.
Once I started looking at the facts, and speaking with the accused, I came to a conclusion that all were innocent. All tribunals utilized rules and language that made opposing the validity of the accusations forbidden, the events could not be questioned. For example, one could not mount a defense that the supposed event was exaggerated or never happened; instead we had to defend why it was moral to commit the act.
The Western Allies showed they could be just as abusive and hateful as the Soviets. They prevented us from presenting rational arguments for the alleged crimes, all of which were not crimes at all. They linked actions against partisans and spies, to illegal reprisals, many of which the Allies committed as well. We had evidence that the Americans, Soviets, British, and French all had used reprisals against their enemies as a way to stop resistance.
German forces had to do this at times, and it was all lawful orders that were meant to destroy cells of resistance and break the strength of well organized groups who were supplied by the Allies. They fought without uniforms or any identifying markings, and often used brutal tactics which were shocking to even front-line soldiers.
Corroborating testimony from a soldier in the Waffen-SS Sturmbrigade Dirlewanger:
The War against Truth/Germany continues to this day:
Last year [2022], the Manchester Evening News interviewed a 98-year-old Ukrainian named Iwan Kluka, who boasted of having “fought against Stalin’s Red Army.” The newspaper deleted the article online after outraged readers pointed out that Kluka had clearly fought alongside the Nazi invaders from Germany.
Yaroslav Ilkovych Hunka…born March 19, 1925, is a Ukrainian-Canadian World War II veteran of the 14th Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS (1st Galician)… In 1943, Hunka volunteered to join SS Galizien at 18 years old. According to Hunka, his reason for enlisting was following the call of the Ukrainian Central Committee to fight for the idea of “Unified Ukraine”
In 1944, Hunka was deployed into combat against Red Army forces on the Eastern Front of World War II. Dominique Arel, the chair of Ukrainian studies at the University of Ottawa, told CBC News that thousands of Ukrainian volunteers had been drawn to the division, and that many aspired doing so could help attain Ukrainian independence from the Soviet Union… He said, however, that the SS Galizien had been implicated in the killing of Polish civilians. In his memoir, Hunka referred to the Wehrmacht as “mystical German knights”.
[In 2023] Former SS soldier Yaroslav Hunka, whose standing ovation in the Canadian parliament scandalized the world this week, was given refuge in Britain after World War II, the Morning Star can reveal.
The Friends of Simon Wiesenthal Center for Holocaust Studies said that Hunka’s unit’s “crimes against humanity during the Holocaust are well-documented”, and condemned SS Galizien as “responsible for the mass murder of innocent civilians with a level of brutality and malice that is unimaginable”…
Irwin Cotler, who was chief counsel to the Canadian Jewish Congress at the Deschênes Commission, said on behalf of the Raoul Wallenberg Centre for Human Rights: “While the apologies are necessary and welcome, it raises a larger question. How did Yaroslav Hunka, a notorious Nazi war criminal, enter Canada to begin with? How is it that he was never held accountable?”
[So, Hunka was a NOTORIOUS NAZI WAR CRIMINAL – based on what finding? According to whom? To this day, a Nazi = war criminal responsible for the death of 6 million Jews, mostly by poison gas, some of which was done in mobile gas vans in Eastern Europe, although the allegations of homicidal gas chambers in Western camps have been quietly and inexplicably abandoned, and furthermore, a Nazi was a member of a murderous regime hell-bent on conquering the free world, and the Americans do have a Secret Map of Nazi World Domination that was placed in the coffin of SLBFDR for safekeeping. Sure…]
In the days following the scandal several neo-Nazis laid flowers on the SS Galicia monument in Oakville, Ontario. On social media they thanked Hunka and said the SS division fought to defend Europe from “the Asiatic-Communist pestilence”. Those actions were condemned by Jewish groups and renewed their demands for the demolition of the memorial.
[So, in 2023, ANYONE, who in any way contradicts the narrative of absolute German guilt or asserts German benevolence/honorable conduct in war against Soviet terror is set upon by the cabal of Organized Jewry. That’s for sure. The “Truth” on the Nazis, including the [exaggerated] actions of Dirlewanger, is whatever the Jews and their captured western minions say it is.]
On 26 September, Polish education minister Przemysław Czarnek stated in a Twitter post that he had taken steps towards the possible extradition of Hunka. In the post, Czarnek said: “In view of the scandalous events in the Canadian Parliament, which involved honoring a member of the criminal Nazi SS Galizien formation in the presence of President Zelenskyy, I have taken steps towards the possible extradition of this man to Poland…Czarnek asked the Institute of National Remembrance to urgently research whether Hunka was wanted for “crimes against the Polish Nation and Poles of Jewish origin”.
The Jews want all Axis memorials and all counter-information with regard to the Jewish/Allied version of WW2/Holocaust removed, obscured, outlawed, eliminated because the truth/reality is dangerous to their World aims. I don’t see how you and your pack can observe the cultural/political/demographic situation today in Europe/America/Israel and not bother to consider if the People lying to us today about what’s happening today are/were also lying to us about yesterday.
Organized Jewry prevails through political and media control and a hostile, well-organized collective that wields a power that defies belief; they simply eliminate any western or other opposition – Forrestal, Patton, Bernadotte, Kennedy, Qaddafi, Kirk(?) – they brag about their dominance, i.e., Mark Levin – We will decide what’s what; “We cancelled Pat Buchanan!” – and Israel presents the American president with a commemorative Golden Pager, for what, exactly? They have no shame. They tell us what they are doing.
Germany/Hitler was the last to oppose them, outright and successfully. Yes, the Germans were “guilty” for opposing the purveyors, purchasers, and instigators of the Mess that is the western world today.
So "Nazi" equals "murderers"; yet the word is widely applied as a shorthand or "nickname" for National Socialist even though Adolf Hitler condemned its use within the NSDAP. That fact is ignored, and even denied. Why the revisionist right continues to tolerate this and fears to make an issue of it is a testament to the following:
So, Hunka was a NOTORIOUS NAZI WAR CRIMINAL – based on what finding? According to whom? to this day, a Nazi = war criminal responsible for the death of 6 million Jews ,
Indeed. It appears that they can get away with anything and everything. I choose to believe the honorable Dr. Rudolf Aschenauer, who was defense attorney for many German soldiers and officials accused of war crimes during the Canadian Zundel trial in 1985, when he said: "Once I started looking at the facts, and speaking with the accused, I came to a conclusion that all were innocent." I say the same thing and I say it sincerely because I mean it. Where is the actual German wrong-doing? It's a myth ... or a slander. But many believe they have to accept on principle, or to be taken seriously, that there was wrong on all sides. That is not necessarily so. Plus, it's my experience that Germans will usually tell the truth, while Jews and Slavs will fabricate. I've published a great deal of evidence for that on my personal website, carolynyeager.net. (See especially https://carolynyeager.net/wehrmacht-war-crimes-bureau-1939-1945-1st-installment.) When I decided to read this book online I was no longer at my best as a podcaster, but I pushed along anyway bc I thought it was so important.Replies: @Annacath, @Biggles
Organized Jewry prevails through political and media control and a hostile, well-organized collective that wields a power that defies belief; they simply eliminate any western or other opposition – Forrestal, Patton, Bernadotte, Kennedy, Qaddafi, Kirk(?) – they brag about their dominance, i.e., Mark Levin – We will decide what’s what; “We cancelled Pat Buchanan!” – and Israel presents the American president with a commemorative Golden Pager, for what, exactly? They have no shame.
What's wrong with that?Nazi SS Galizien was a criminal organization.
"In the post, Czarnek said: “In view of the scandalous events in the Canadian Parliament, which involved honoring a member of the criminal Nazi SS Galizien formation in the presence of President Zelenskyy, I have taken steps towards the possible extradition of this man to Poland…Czarnek asked the Institute of National Remembrance to urgently research whether Hunka was wanted for “crimes against the Polish Nation and Poles of Jewish origin”.
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Did Operation Barbarossa result in an estimated 15,000,000+/- Soviet civilian deaths and ~12,000,000+/- Red Army troops deaths.
A total of 25-30 million unnatural deaths, due to O.P.
A) Yes.
B) No.
C) You don’t know.
I ask you a question, and instead of answering honestly…And then you go on a tangent…
How far back do you want to go: Roman Empire’s battles with the Germanic Tribes?
I did answer your question; you should know me well enough by now; I stuck to the 20th century.
Desperately trying to avoid this:
Did Operation Barbarossa result in an estimated 15,000,000+/- Soviet civilian deaths and ~12,000,000+/- Red Army troops deaths.
A total of 25-30 million unnatural deaths, due to O.P.A) Yes.
B) No.
C) You don’t know.
Again, It is impossible to quantify the death toll for peoples of the Soviet Union …. And, it depends on whom you ask.
According to Russia/Vladimir Medinsky, aide to the president of the Russian Federation:
The official number is 26.6 million people.
The problem is, there were many Soviet partisans or even just men of conscription age captured on occupied territory who ended up in POW camps. They were not officially military.
Oleg Yegorov says:
[…] the Soviets clearly incurred the heaviest losses. Tony Judt’s “Postwar” cites estimates suggesting there were 8.6-10.7 million Soviet Military Deaths and over 16 million civilian Deaths in World War II…
Joseph Stalin said in 1946:
…as a result of the German invasion, “the Soviet Union irrevocably lost… around 7 million people.” – the first ever official Soviet stance on war casualties.
Nevertheless, the official 7-million estimate of casualties didn’t last long…In 1965, Nikita Khrushchev, who succeeded Stalin as USSR’s leader, mentioned a higher number: 20 million.
Both Khrushchev and Brezhnev used the phrase “the war cost the country…” to lump everyone together, not separating those who died in the battlefield, victims of German occupation, those who starved to death, etc.
After the dissolution of the USSR, the estimate grew again. According to the latest statements that Russian authorities officially acknowledge, overall losses (both among soldiers and civilians) amounted to 26.6 million people.
J.N. Westwood, British military historian, says:
…many Soviet casualties were inflicted by NKVD murder squads; by Red partisans against civilians who they feared might cooperate with the Germans; and by the Red Army commanders’ reliance on massed frontal attacks which took a heavy toll of front-line troops.
Indeed, the Soviet Union proved to be a far more resilient opponent than predicted. The Red Army was much larger than anticipated. Terror was deliberately employed to stiffen Soviet resistance. According to Westwood, “From the top generals, subject to Stalin’s capriciousness, right down to the wavering foot soldiers executed by detachments placed in their rear for that very purpose, the Red Army was characterized by the large number of its men killed by Russian bullets.”
According to Nikolai Tolstoy:
…on many counts Stalin’s government can be held accountable for the frightfully high number of deaths suffered by Soviet subjects during the Second World War. Tolstoy’s thesis has been developed in his important book, Stalin’s Secret War (1981)…
Like I said, the Soviet/Russian/Ukrainian casualties at the hands of the German military is impossible to quantify because Joseph Stalin and his merry band of Bolshevik/Tatar bandits were lying, savage, treacherous, murderous, bastards who gleefully and spitefully murdered their own citizens, as well as the Germans, often blaming the Germans and dressing in German gear for cover, in pursuit of their proclaimed World Revolution by Terror. And, like I said, guerrillas don’t typically keep records or stats.
You write: Oh, I see: then it must be OK to murder people of another country (Greece) that has not attacked you (Germany). Perfect panzer logic.”
My response: Germany had never wanted to engage in a war in Greece. Germany fought in Greece only because British troops had landed in Greece and posed a major threat to Germany.
Keeping the lid on simmering tensions in the Balkans was a high priority for Germany during the war. Hitler told Italian Foreign Minister Ciano on July 20, 1940, that he attached “the greatest importance to the maintenance of peace in the Danube and Balkan regions.” The Germans were eager to prevent disturbance in the region, both to prevent further Soviet encroachment and to retain German access to oil from Romania. Impulsive Italian action against Yugoslavia could lead to Soviet intervention, and Italian action against Greece could let in the British through the back door. (Source: Kershaw, Ian, Fateful Choices: Ten Decisions That Changed the World, 1940-1941, New York: The Penguin Press, 2007, pp. 165-166).
In August 1940, German Foreign Minister Joachim von Ribbentrop twice repeated to Italian Ambassador Dino Alfieri that Hitler wanted to keep peace in the Balkans. Despite these and other German warnings, Mussolini decided to attack Greece from occupied Albania on October 28, 1940. The Greek army was deemed to be weak, and Mussolini had expected a swift victory. Instead, the Greek forces fought valiantly, helped by good organization, knowledge of difficult terrain, and the superior motivation of troops protecting their homeland. The Italian campaign rapidly proved to be a fiasco, and what was supposed to have been an easy victory turned into a humiliation for Mussolini’s regime. (Source: Ibid., pp. 130, 166).
Within little over a week the Italians were forced to halt their offensive in Greece, and by the time another week had passed they were being pushed back over the Albanian border by a Greek counterattack. The Italian front finally stabilized about 30 miles within Albania. To make matters worse, the Italian fleet anchored at Taranto in southern Italy was severely damaged by a British torpedo attack in November 1940. Half of the Italian warships were put out of action, and Italian dreams of empire sank along with the ships. The balance of naval power in the Mediterranean was decisively altered with this highly successful attack. (Source: Ibid., p. 176).
The military situation in Greece could only be remedied with German help. This was a situation that both Mussolini and Hitler had hoped to avoid. Hitler had wanted the Balkans to remain quiet, but he could not ignore the threat now posed by intensified British military involvement in Greece. Hitler eventually decided in March 1941 that a major military operation would be necessary to evict the British from the whole of the Greek mainland. The German invasion of Greece to bail out Mussolini’s ill-fated invasion resulted in Greece’s surrender on April 23, 1941. (Source: Ibid., pp. 177, 180).
Hitler in his last testament in 1945 states his displeasure with Italy’s attack on Greece: “But for the difficulties created for us by the Italians and their idiotic campaign in Greece, I should have attacked Russia a few weeks earlier.” (Source: Fraser, L. Craig, The Testament of Adolf Hitler: The Hitler-Bormann Documents, p. 39).
Hitler had unquestionably wanted Greece and the other Balkan countries to stay neutral during the war.
The remaining Greek, British and other Allied forces as well as the Greek government and King retreated to Crete. German airborne forces landed in Crete on May 20, 1941, and quickly seized control of the main airfields. A chaotic evacuation of British forces began on May 26, 1941, but more than 11,000 British troops were captured and nearly 3,000 British soldiers and sailors killed. The whole operation was a disaster for Great Britain. Churchill and his advisors conceded it had been a mistake to send troops to Greece in the first place. (Source: Evans, Richard J., The Third Reich at War, 1939-1945, London: Penguin Books, 2008, p. 155).
Not true: Hitler invaded Greece in support of his ally, and ideological hero Mussolini*.
My response: Germany had never wanted to engage in a war in Greece. Germany fought in Greece only because British troops had landed in Greece and posed a major threat to Germany.
Never wanted?
Germany had never wanted to engage in a war in Greece.
Are you claiming Nazi Germans had nothing to do with those killings of Greeks?
No.
then it must be OK to murder people of another country (Greece) that has not attacked you (Germany). Perfect panzer logic.
Had the Germans attacked the English or the French when war was declared against Germany by same?
So, is it logical to judge the actions of Germany by a different standard than that applied to England and France? France invaded and occupied the Ruhr Valley of Germany, unprovoked, btw, in 1923. Shall we list the unprovoked foreign invasions and occupations of the Soviet regime? Well, why bother, when the conduct of the Nazis made all of history’s villains pale by comparison? Said indictment of NS Germany, is, of course, based on falsehoods, but why is that the generally accepted consensus? Perhaps the German declaration of opposition to a certain sect of humanity is the relevant factor? Ah, then, Germany chose the wrong enemy!?
ALL of mainstream WW2 history is an exercise in lies, falsehoods, obfuscations, and the application of standards of conduct unequally applied to the various nations.
Here’s a question for you – If inquiry or opposition to the established narrative of the Allied version of WW2/NSDAP/Holocaust is prohibited by legislation, both criminal and civil, in Germany and other European nations, what does that say about the validity of the established narrative? Why is scrutiny prohibited under penalty of law?
Pay attention now: 1) UK declared war on Nazi Germany, because Germany invaded Poland, and UK had an obligation to Poland under some treaty. Clear? Nazi Germany invaded Poland.
1) But, Germany had not invaded England or France. Isn’t that the standard that you specifically subscribe for Germany on the invasion of Greece? What’s clear is the notion that some western nations were perfectly reasonable in their bellicose efforts to press their interests/maintain strategic alliances whilst others were NOT permitted to do likewise, and which nation was actually fighting on behalf of its own interests, besides Poland? I say, Germany. Which nations seemed to be fighting in defense of or on behalf of Jewish/Bolshevik/other interests? England, Russia, America…
On some treaty :
On February 1st, 1945, Poland’s General Anders reproached Winston Churchill for not adhering to the English guarantees:
“What shall we say to our soldiers? Soviet Russia is now confiscating half of our territory and wants the remaining part of Poland to be managed according to her own fashion. We know from experience where that leads.” — General Władysław Anders
Churchill replied:
“You yourself are to blame for that… we did not guarantee your eastern frontiers. Today we have enough soldiers and do not need your aid. You can remove your divisions. We are not using them anymore!” — Winston Churchill“You did not say that during the last few years.” — General Anders
[CZYNY I PAMIEC GENERAL BRONI WLADYSLAW ANDERS, by Jerzy Kirszak, Bogusfaw Polak, Michat Polak ]
So, clearly, England was not motivated over an interest/concern/obligation for Poland. What, then, was England’s primary interest if not Polish sovereignty?
2) Italy unilaterally invaded Greece, because Mussolini was a megalomaniac Roman Emperor wannabe.
2 & 3) Hitler was not responsible for the actions of Mussolini. He was, however, responsible for the fate and future of Germany, and Mussolini’s actions put Germany at risk because England and France had declared war against Germany. There was a developing theatre of war in the Mediterranean. It is asinine and a bit twee, frankly, to suggest that Germany should have let Italy go down in flames and thereby given the Allies direct access to Germany through the Mediterranean/southern Europe for humanitarian reasons.
Was it German benevolence that prevailed at Dunkirk? Yes. Was that a tactical error made by the Germans? In war, no good deed goes unpunished, apparently. Germany offered peace after Dunkirk, yes?
4) See the difference?
I see that you have a rudimentary understanding of the events of Europe post-WW1 and WW2. I see that you likely get your information and theories from Wikipedia, the History Channel, Steven Spielberg, high school textbooks, etc.
Did Operation Barbarossa result in an estimated 15,000,000+/- Soviet civilian deaths and ~12,000,000+/- Red Army troops deaths. A total of 25-30 million unnatural deaths, due to O.P.
No one says that Operation Barbarossa did not result in the deaths of Soviet soldiers or civilians. On that note, how did the Soviet regime acquire such a giant mass of citizenry? By democratic elections? Or, by terror and violence? Why does the abject savagery and cruelty of the Russians/Soviets/Bolsheviks against civilians and prisoners, including their own, escape your scrutiny?
It is impossible to quantify the death toll for peoples of the Soviet Union as Stalin had been starving, executing, incarcerating and murdering his own civilians and soldiers for decades. During the actual war, Soviet soldiers and their families were executed for conduct deemed subversive by Stalin, i.e., surrender, and civilians were pressed into Partisan units, thereby escalating actions against non-combatants.
SLBFDR, December 09, 1941, Fireside Chat:
[…] On the other side of the picture, we must learn also to know that guerilla warfare against the Germans in, let us say Serbia or Norway, helps us….Department of the Army – THE SOVIET PARTISAN MOVEMENT 1941-1944:
Unconventional warfare has gained in importance… It was a particularly potent factor in several theaters of operations during World War II, but in none did it play a more significant role than on the Eastern front during that conflict. There the guerrilla movement behind the Axis forces gained in importance as the Soviet Army withdrew deeper and deeper into its homeland…If The Soviet Partisan Movement, 1941-1944 is studied in connection with operational studies of the war on the east European front during World War II, it should prove to be of great value to students of that conflict. It should also prove of particular value to the Army staff and schools and colleges as a reference work in partisan warfare.
NMT Einsatzgruppe Testimony of Otto Ohlendorf :
Ohlendorf…in a bitter appeal written before his execution, he accused the Allies of hypocrisy in holding the Germans to account by conventional laws of warfare while fighting a savage Soviet enemy who did not respect those laws.
So, the Allies clearly sanctioned and abetted (illegal) guerilla warfare. Germany did NOT, and the myriad testimonies of Shoah “survivors” confirm thusly.
Guerillas typically don’t keep records/stats.
Because Japan had attacked US: US had NOT attacked Japan, Hitler’s Axis ally. See the difference?
The USA was already at war with Germany by proxy. Are you unaware of the controversy over SLBFDR’s policies prior to Pearl Harbor/WW2?
“Franklin Roosevelt repeatedly deceived the American people during the period before Pearl Harbor … He was like the physician who must tell the patient lies for the patient’s own good…This is clearly what Roosevelt had to do, and who shall say that posterity will not thank him for it?”
[American historian/journalist Thomas A. Bailey]As part of the US government’s campaign to incite war, President Roosevelt in 1941 ordered the US Navy to help British forces in attacking German vessels in the Atlantic. This was reinforced by a presidential “shoot on sight” order to the US Navy against German and Italian ships. Roosevelt’s goal was to provoke an “incident” that would provide a pretext for open war. Hitler, for his part, was anxious to avoid conflict with the United States. The German leader responded to the US government’s blatantly illegal provocations by ordering his navy commanders to avoid clashes with US ships.
Robert Taft, U. S. Senator from Ohio , Over the Columbia Broadcasting System, June 25, 1941:
[…] In the alleged battle between the totalitarian states and the democracies, we now find Communist Russia transformed into a democracy… But how can anyone swallow the idea that Russia is battling for democratic principles? Yet the President on Monday announced that the United States would give all possible aid to Russia the character and quantity of the aid to await only a disclosure of Russian needs. Because overnight Russia is transformed from an aggressor into a democracy, the Treasury has released $40,000,000 in Russian assets…If through our aid Stalin is continued in power, do you suppose that he will spread the four freedoms through Finland and Estonia and Latvia and Lithuania?
We will discuss the “gleefully and spitefully gloating” after a short commercial break
Don’t bother; it’s too late – If you want redemption for your hypocritical/tactless views and obvious pleasure on the sufferings of your “fellow Europeans,” try swinging a chicken over your head until it dies. Let us know if that makes it all better…
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Did Operation Barbarossa result in an estimated 15,000,000+/- Soviet civilian deaths and ~12,000,000+/- Red Army troops deaths.
A total of 25-30 million unnatural deaths, due to O.P.
A) Yes.
B) No.
C) You don’t know.
This is a misdirection - a favorite tactic of all sorts of perpetrators and genociders (just read the news of today). It's a form of fallacy.
Had the Germans attacked the English or the French when war was declared against Germany by same?
Wow: you getting quite creative with your writing neo-Hitlerite panzerjugend Genocidal scum. And I am glad you remember our exchange about Greece in that other thread.
mental midget:
synthetic outrage
crocodile tears.
So, your twisted Nazi logic is that your Waffen-SS murderous gangs can invade a peaceful country and start killing her soldiers and murdering her civilians, and the indigenous people of that country are not supposed to defend themselves?
Did the “Nazis” just invade a peaceful country?
Germany intervened in an invasion initiated by the Italians; Italy was a German ally. Hitler did not fully support or approve of Italy’s actions against Greece, and he is on record saying so. However, he didn’t abandon his ally despite the fact that said ally had created a crises for Germany which could not be ignored.
Here’s another question for you – Did England intervene on behalf of their Polish ally in late 1939? Sure, they declared war on Germany, but what did they really do for their ally, Poland?
Wikipedia: On August 23, the Ribbentrop-Molotov Pact had been reached with the Soviet Union… On August 29, 1939, Adolf Hitler had told British Ambassador Nevile Henderson that he was ready to resume negotiations with Poland. For this purpose, a Polish plenipotentiary would have to come to Berlin within 24 hours. In principle, Poland and Great Britain were ready to negotiate. Because of Hitler’s ultimate demand, the British government decided not to forward it to Warsaw until after the set deadline had expired….
So, England and France declares WAR against Germany in September, 1939. Was Germany supposed to defend itself by simply waiting for the Brits to invade Germany?
In April of 1939, England had already issued a guarantee to Greece for aid in the event of an invasion. So, England’s making plans and hedging bets, yes?
At the outbreak of World War II, Metaxas [Greece] tried to maintain neutrality, but Greece was increasingly subject to pressure from Italy… A series of provocations culminated in the delivery of a humiliating ultimatum on October 28, 1940. Metaxas [refused]… The Italians immediately invaded Greece from Albania, which they had occupied 18 months previously…Within weeks…the Italians had been driven from Greek territory…[So, the Germans arrive in April, 1941; Greece surrenders in April, 1941]
[Britannica]This assistance [of England to Greece] was not driven just because of the 1939 guarantee. The Mediterranean was now developing as a major British theatre of war. British troops in Egypt were confronting an Italian army in Libya. If the Axis powers took Greece they would threaten the whole British position in the eastern Mediterranean. At this point, Greece had successfully resisted the Italian invasion, and it was in Britain’s strategic interest to ensure that the Greeks did not eventually give way.
[Britain and the Campaigns in Greece and Crete in 1941, David Horner]Though he accepted token British military aid, Metaxas, until his death in January 1941, was anxious to avoid provoking German intervention in the conflict. However, his successor agreed to accept a British expeditionary force…The combined Greek and British forces, however, were able to offer only limited resistance when the Germans crossed the borders in April 1941.
Almost from the outset of the occupation, acts of resistance were recorded. These took a more systematic form after the Communist Party in September 1941 founded the National Liberation Front (Ethnikón Apeleftherotikón Métopon; EAM), whose military arm was known as the Ellinikós Laikos Apeleftherotikós Strátos (ELAS)…EAM-ELAS became the largest resistance organization…With the support of a British military mission, the guerrillas engaged in some spectacular acts of resistance, most notably the destruction in November 1942 of the Gorgopotamos viaduct, which carried the railway line from Thessaloníki to Athens, and in April 1944 the kidnapping and removal to Egypt of the German commander on Crete.
[Britannica]
Ah! Those plucky little communist guerrillas never miss an opportunity to fight for their World Revolution, do they? And, those communist/Bolshevik guerrillas weren’t known for using civilians as cover and fodder, nor for punishing civilians for complacency/neutrality and thereafter blaming “Nazis” for the atrocities they themselves committed, were they?
Not a single Panzer herein has posted horrific images of the human carnage of any “enemy” group in a manner as you have done – gleefully and spitefully gloating over the tragedy and misery of war – you give yourself away, “Avery.”
I see the topic of Jews in Poland’s leadership interests you greatly
What interests me is the hypocrisy and obfuscation that swirls around the data on the role of other nations, including Poles/Poland, with regard to the events preceding and leading to WW2, which certainly includes the matter of the JQ. It seems Poland was/had been asking the very same Question…
London Times – ANTI-JEWISH AGITATION IN POLAND – “SPECULATORS” ARRESTED – WARSAW, March 24, 1938
Twelve “speculators,” mostly Jews were today sent to the concentration camp at Bereza for disseminating during the recent period of anxiety false information with a view to depreciating security prices and creating a financial panic…
the only thing you could find was a fairy tale about a Jewish mistress of a Polish king from a thousand years ago.
In other words, the “myth” of Esther shagging Good King Casimir is the only subject matter on the Polish history under discussion for which you could cobble together a refutation or an objection?
I never said it was true; I said it was an interesting story. Here’s the thing about Jewish history gleaned from Jewish sources – Jews lie about everything, all the time, and then they brag about the terrible and sneaky things they do to deceive and predate upon their neighbors/allies/enemies. It’s hard to know what’s true or not. It’s a bit like the Protocols of the Elders of Zion – all things considered and observed, if the story involves fantastical and unbelievable levels of sneak, subterfuge, exploitation, lying, and swindling, and a malicious, yet subtle, revelry and delight in victory by same, it just seems true or likely.
With regard to a significant Jewish (and Bolshevik) presence in Poland/Russia/Eastern Europe, you’re delusional to suggest they asserted no deleterious “leadership” or dominance/influence therein. You and your fellow Slavs are also delusional to suggest that there was never any valid or beneficial Germanic presence or claim to territories within “Slavic” lands…
1525 – The Teutonic Order is secularised and became the vassal of Poland. One century later the Polish king grants the Brandenburg dukes the right to accede in Prussia, which led to the establishment of an enormous Prussian power two centuries later.
1543 – The Copernican Revolution. Polish scholar Nicolaus Copernicus published De Revolutionibus, he proposed the heliocentric theory, that the Earth rotates on an axis, and goes round the sun once in a year. [Copernicus had German ancestry]
1848 – Warsaw connected with Vienna by rail. The end of serfdom in the Austrian part of Poland, also happened in the same year.
Encyclopedia of Ukraine –
A more significant influx of Germans, particularly in western Ukraine, occurred only after the Mongol invasion of Kyivan Rus’ in 1240–1 and the destruction of many towns. The princes of Galicia-Volhynia, imitating their Polish and Hungarian counterparts, invited Germans to rebuild the razed towns and develop trade and crafts by granting the Germans various privileges…and the retention of their own legal system based on Magdeburg law.As early as the mid-13th century, King Danylo Romanovych invited German merchants and manufacturers to newly founded Kholm, and such centers as Volodymyr-Volynskyi, Lutsk, Lviv, Peremyshl, Sianik were settled thereafter. From 1270 to 1290, the mayors of Volodymyr-Volynskyi and Lutsk were German. During his reign (1324–40), Prince Yurii II Boleslav, in particular, promoted the settlement of Germans in Galicia…
German colonization intensified after the annexation of Galicia by Poland and of Volhynia and Podilia by Lithuania. It was stimulated by the granting of Magdeburg law and other privileges… From 1352 to 1550, for example, the German burghers were so influential in Lviv that the mayor (viit) and most of the town councillors were elected from among them and official books and documents were written in German. New German settlers continually moved into Galicia’s towns. From the late 14th century, German colonization spread into the towns of Volhynia and Podilia…..
So, “Germania” was once to the east of Germany, after all.
What I suggest, and have suggested, is that Poland was also a victim of the forces that sought to remove Germany and Germans from Europe. Fewer Europeans seems to be the objective. I also say, and have said, keep Poland Polish. Soon, you will be encircled, too, and you’ll be wishing Hitler’s vision of Europe had prevailed.
Adolf Hitler was not Jewish; don’t be ridiculous.
Well, Noodle(s), it’d be interesting to know why you persist in this online circle-jerk with you, yourself, and thy…
Who was there in Germany in 1939-45 who actually advocated a ‘good neighbor’ policy towards the Poles?
WHO in Germany advocated a ‘good neighbor’ policy in 1933-1939?
NOR collaborated with German forces to orchestrate the Easter Pogrom, attacking Jewish homes..
What’s NOR?
Post WW1 was a complicated time for most Europeans, Noodle(s). So, it was ultimately Germany causing all the havoc? Where are you getting your info? Wikipedia?
Vladimir Putin called NS-era Polish ambassador in Berlin, Jósef Lipski, “a bastard and anti-Semitic pig.”
Edward Rydz-Śmigły said, “If the German remains an adversary, he is not less a European and an homme d’ordre… The Russian is a barbarian, an Asiatic, a corrupt and poisonous element, with which any contact is perilous and any compromise, lethal.”
Josef Pilsudski signed a treaty with Germany in 1934.
The Poles were all over the place, sparring with Russia, sparring with Germany, menacing the Lithuanians and parts of Silesia, with France goading and funding them along. And, the ethnic Poles seemed all too happy to jump right on the ausrotten die Juden bandwagon once the Germans had had enough of Jewish/Bolshevik meddling and instigating. Polish “antisemitism” was raging in Poland, after all, and with Germans for cover, why not give way to an opportunity for revenge and reprisal?
Poland was GUILTY of resenting the status of the Jews in Poland, for no reason whatsoever, and for not doing enough/more for The Jews, a transgression made by everyone else in the world all the time, and that’s why Poland keeps all that direct and original-source evidence buried somewhere at Treblinka with all those corpses than can never be exhumed/verified/identified due to a rather convenient Talmudic law about disturbing burial sites conveniently marked Here Be The Chosen.
But, way to flop around, Noodle. Wielgus. John Johnson. Anyone else?
The Inside Story of The Peace Conference , Dr. E.J. Dillon
Of all the collectivities whose interests were furthered at the Conference, the Jews had perhaps the most resourceful and certainly the most influential….But the Western Jews, who championed their Eastern brothers, proceeded to demand a further concession which many of their own co-religionists hastened to disclaim as dangerous—a kind of autonomy which Rumanian, Polish, and Russian statesmen, as well as many of their Jewish fellow-subjects, regarded as tantamount to the creation of a state within the state…
The head of the Polish delegation, Roman Dmowski…appeared at the Conference under all the disadvantages that could be heaped upon a man who has incurred the resentment of the most powerful international body of modern times. He had the misfortune to have the Jews of the world as his adversaries….His ardent nationalist sentiments placed him in antagonism to every movement that ran counter to the progress of his country on nationalist lines….M. Dmowski moves with the national away from the international…The frequency with which the leading spirits of Bolshevism turn out to be Jews…
Whoops! I didn’t intend for the revision to come across as an admonishment. Actually, it’s – I dindu nuffin’ – so, now we both know!
Unfortunately, English is my third language as to present-day command.
Well, you command it very well. Don’t concern yourself over keeping up with the Pidgin English of our blessed Africanus Plague-Us population.
So, you’re in Sweden currently? How’s that ghoul, Barbara Spectre? I try to keep up with all the “healing” and “saving” she’s brought to Scandinavia. It’s not looking too good from here. Do tell…
I appreciate your commentary on a personal perspective of Poland/Poles in Poland, btw.
Oh, so suddenly, the Jewish sources are credible?
From the Jewish Encyclopedia – Esterka the Jewess.
Oh, so suddenly, the Jewish sources are credible?
Not necessarily. I said the information was interesting, not truthful. I also find it interesting that there always seems to be a Jewish woman named Esther conniving her way into the gates of the Castle and thereby ruining Gentile fiefdoms with that ol’ Feminine Mystique that’s been bringing down Mankind throughout history. Betty Friedan knew what she was doing…although, the typical Jewess looks more like Betty Friedan than, say, Brooke Shields or Claudia Schiffer, so I don’t really know how Esther worked her feminine mystique so successfully. Maybe our Frog Prince, meine Kröte, can explain…
I’ll tell you what’s not a myth – that Casimir, III, was exceptionally good for the Jews and there were Germans running amok all over Eastern Europe.
Britannica – Casimir III…was the king of Poland from 1333 to 1370…Through astute diplomacy he annexed lands from western Russia and eastern Germany. Within his realm he unified the government, codified its unwritten law, endowed new towns with the self-government of the Magdeburg Law…
Casimir also had many mistresses, about whom little is known; the most famous of them, the beautiful Esther, may have been invented by the chroniclers to explain the king’s notable friendliness toward Jews.
On reading an article on the Black Death in Europe – It is important to note, however, that many people did not believe that the Jews were causing the plague and there were actually government and church authorities who tried to protect them…Meanwhile, King Casimir III of Poland diligently protected the Jews of his own kingdom and enthusiastically opened up his borders to Jews fleeing persecution in other lands.
Jews in Poland , A Documentary History By Iwo Cyprian Pogonowski – The centuries of partial self-rule which Jews enjoyed in the Polish-Lithuanian Respublica, as well as the early privileges granted to Jews by King Casimir the Great [enabled the] Jews [to] confirm their identity while also bringing to Poland their superior competence in finance, trade, and the professions. Poland was a shelter for Ashkenazi Jews during the worst of times, when expulsions from Western Europe thinned down the ranks of Jews there. In Poland, in contrast, Jews grew at a rate far surpassing that of the Polish population.
Brookings Institution- The first Jewish communities in Poland were established in the 13th century. In 1334, King Casimir the Great created new laws to further protect Jews and invited those who were persecuted elsewhere in Europe to Poland. Poland became a haven for Jews expelled from other countries, forming one of the largest Jewish diasporas in the world…
So, maybe Germans “built” Poland and the Jews “bought” it.
Your other ramblings are not even worth commenting on.
It’s exhausting, isn’t it? You did your best…
Fortunately for me, I did plenty of research on Poland years ago, so as not to become another brainless neo-Nazi.
Seeking to attract merchants and craftsmen, they [Polish nobility] looked to the German lands, where, in the course of the eleventh century, more and more towns had succeeded in wresting a degree of genuine autonomy from their overlords: they appointed their own judges, administrators and magistrates. The towns’ new status found legal expression in charters of rights and privileges. Magdeburg, the closest significant German urban centre to Polish lands, had secured effective self-rule in 1188…
In 1211, Henry the Bearded conferred Magdeburg law on the little Silesian town of Zotoryja; in 1258, Bolestaw the Bashful did the same for Kraków…Before the thirteenth century was over, around one hundred Polish towns had Magdeburg-style municipal institutions.
[…] At the synod of Leczyca in 1285, archbishop Jakub Swinka of Gniezno warned that Poland might become a ‘new Saxony’…
The local rulers of Silesia and western Pomerania were particularly exposed to German wealth and culture, whose charms outshone those of the impoverished Polish lands. It was only towards the later thirteenth century, encouraged by clerics like archbishop Swinka, that Polish developed enough sophistication to be suitable for the delivery of sermons. As a literary medium, it could scarcely compare with German before the early 1500s…
[A Concise History of POLAND, Jerzy Lukowski and Hubert Zawadzki]
I didn’t do nothing” in the US comes to mind.
Technically, it’s “I dindu nothin!”
the Poles are not just swallowing the lies about Germany and the German people. They actually do it with an unparalleled eagerness
That seems to be true. Ms. Yeager warned me, in earlier commentary, that any attempt to reason with the Poles/Slavs was an exercise in futility. On a personal/anecdotal note, my grandmother’s family were residing in Poland prior to immigrating to America; my grandfather’s family was from Bohemia/Germany-proper. My grandmother spoke a little Polish and cooked a few Polish dishes; she never spoke ill of the Poles, at least not to my recollection as a child. The “Checks,” however – they were despised. I didn’t understand how a check could cause so much animosity. My grandfather died when I was still quite young, so I never heard the stories that inspired my grandparent’s hostility.
I think NS Germany was a perfect example of casting-off the burdens of past victimization, which certainly does occur, and just getting on with life. It was also a lesson/example of identifying a true enemy/detriment to a well-functioning society and NAMING it for what it is/was. That was their crime – accepting/proclaiming realities and asserting control over the present and the future of their own nation/people. Understanding what was done to Germany/Europe in the 20th century certainly helps to identify what is happening to us today and why things are as they are in 2025 – America/Europe am Limpopo.
There was no such thing. Pure Nazi German propaganda. Do your research. Don't be just another brainless neo-nazi. Or give the names of the victims and the method of persecution, if you insist.Replies: @John Wear
escalating violence against Germans in Poland and a Polish military mobilization?
Tiptoethrutulips writes “escalating violence against Germans in Poland and a Polish military mobilization?” and you respond: “There was no such thing. Pure Nazi German propaganda. Do your research. Don’t be just another brainless neo-nazi. Or give the names of the victims and the method of persecution, if you insist.”
My response: Dutch historian Louis de Jong wrote that on March 25, 1939, windows were smashed in the houses of many ethnic Germans in Posen and Kraków, and in those of the German embassy in Warsaw. German agricultural cooperatives in Poland were later dissolved, and many German schools were closed, while ethnic Germans who were active in the cultural sphere were taken into custody. Around the middle of May 1939, in one small town where 3,000 ethnic Germans lived, many household effects in houses and shops were smashed to bits. The remaining German clubs were closed in the middle of June. (Source: Jong, Louis de, The German Fifth Column in the Second World War, New York: Howard Fertig, 1973, pp. 36-37).
The immediate responsibility for security measures involving the German minority in Poland rested with Interior Department Ministerial Director Waclaw Zyborski. Zyborski consented to discuss the situation on June 23, 1939, with Walther Kohnert, one of the leaders of the German minority at Bromberg. Zyborski admitted to Kohnert that the Germans of Poland were in an unenviable situation, but he was not sympathetic to their plight. Zyborski ended their lengthy conversation by stating frankly that his policy required a severe treatment of the German minority in Poland. He made it clear that it was impossible for the Germans of Poland to alleviate their hard fate. The Germans in Poland were the helpless hostages of the Polish community and the Polish state. (Source: Hoggan, David L., The Forced War: When Peaceful Revision Failed, Costa Mesa, CA: Institute for Historical Review, 1989, pp. 388-389).
Other leaders of the German minority in Poland repeatedly appealed to the Polish government for help during this period. Sen. Hans Hasbach, the leader of the conservative German minority faction, and Dr. Rudolf Wiesner, the leader of the Young German Party, each made multiple appeals to Poland’s government to end the violence. In a futile appeal on July 6, 1939, to Premier Sławoj-Składkowski, head of Poland’s Department of Interior, Wiesner referred to the waves of public violence against the Germans at Tomaszów near Lódz, May 13-15th, at Konstantynów, May 21-22nd, and at Pabianice, June 22-23, 1939. The appeal of Wiesner produced no results. The leaders of the German political groups eventually recognized that they had no influence with Polish authorities despite their loyal attitudes toward Poland. It was “open season” on the Germans of Poland with the approval of the Polish government. (Source: Ibid.).
On August 7, 1939, the Polish censors permitted the newspaper Illustrowany Kuryer Codzienny in Kraków to feature an article of unprecedented recklessness. The article stated that Polish units were constantly crossing the German frontier to destroy German military installations and to carry confiscated German military equipment into Poland. The Polish government failed to prevent the newspaper, with the largest circulation in Poland, from telling the world that Poland was instigating a series of violations of her frontier with Germany. Polish Ambassador Jerzy Potocki unsuccessfully attempted to persuade Beck to seek an agreement with the Germans. Potocki later succinctly explained the situation in Poland by stating “Poland prefers Danzig to peace.” (Source: Ibid., p. 419).
On August 14, 1939, the Polish authorities in East Upper Silesia launched a campaign of mass arrests against the German minority. The Poles then proceeded to close and confiscate the remaining German businesses, clubs, and welfare installations. The arrested Germans were forced to march toward the interior of Poland in prisoner columns. The various German groups in Poland were frantic by this time, and they feared that the Poles would attempt the total extermination of the German minority in the event of war. Thousands of Germans were seeking to escape arrest by crossing the border into Germany. Some of the worst recent Polish atrocities included the mutilation of several Germans. The Poles were warned not to regard their German minority as helpless hostages who could be butchered with impunity. (Source: Ibid., pp. 452-453).
Rudolf Wiesner, who was the most prominent of the German minority leaders in Poland, spoke of a disaster “of inconceivable magnitude” since the early months of 1939. Wiesner claimed that the last Germans had been dismissed from their jobs without the benefit of unemployment relief, and that hunger and privation were stamped on the faces of the Germans in Poland. German welfare agencies, cooperatives, and trade associations had been closed by Polish authorities. Exceptional martial law conditions of the earlier frontier zone had been extended to include more than one-third of the territory of Poland. The mass arrests, deportations, mutilations, and beatings of the last few weeks in Poland surpassed anything which had happened before. Wiesner insisted that the German minority leaders merely desired the restoration of peace, the banishment of the specter of war, and the right to live and work in peace. Wiesner was arrested by the Poles on August 16, 1939, on suspicion of conducting espionage for Germany in Poland. (Source: Ibid., p. 463).
William Lindsay White, an American journalist, later recalled that there was no doubt among well-informed people by this time that horrible atrocities were being inflicted every day on the Germans of Poland. White said that a letter from the Polish government claiming that no persecution of the Germans in Poland was taking place had about as much validity as the civil liberties guaranteed by the 1936 constitution of the Soviet Union. (Source: Ibid., p. 554).
Donald Day, a Chicago Tribune correspondent, reported on the atrocious treatment the Poles had meted out to the ethnic Germans in Poland:
“I traveled up to the Polish corridor where the German authorities permitted me to interview the German refugees from many Polish cities and towns. The story was the same. Mass arrests and long marches along roads toward the interior of Poland. The railroads were crowded with troop movements. Those who fell by the wayside were shot. The Polish authorities seemed to have gone mad. I have been questioning people all my life and I think I know how to make deductions from the exaggerated stories told by people who have passed through harrowing personal experiences. But even with generous allowance, the situation was plenty bad. To me the war seemed only a question of hours.” (Source: Day, Donald, Onward Christian Soldiers, Newport Beach, CA: The Noontide Press, 2002, p. 56).
There is more I could write on this subject. This is enough for now.
You write: “… atrocities inflicted every day”… blah, blah, blah. This is a retarded atrocity propaganda.”
My response: The sources I used in my comment #1177 come from the following people:
1. American historian David Hoggan, PhD
2. Donald Day, a Chicago Tribune correspondent
3. William Lindsay White, an American journalist
These people had no reason to lie about the Polish atrocities against Germans.
British Ambassador Nevile Henderson in Berlin also concentrated on obtaining recognition from British Foreign Minister Halifax of the cruel fate of the German minority in Poland. Henderson emphatically warned Halifax on August 24, 1939, that German complaints about the treatment of the German minority in Poland were fully supported by the facts. Henderson knew that the Germans were prepared to negotiate, and he stated to Halifax that war between Poland and Germany was inevitable unless negotiations were resumed between the two countries. Henderson pleaded with Halifax that it would be contrary to Polish interests to attempt a full military occupation of Danzig, and he added a scathingly effective denunciation of Polish policy. (Source: Hoggan, David L., The Forced War: When Peaceful Revision Failed, Costa Mesa, CA: Institute for Historical Review, 1989, pp. 500-501, 550).
You write in comment #1173 “escalating violence against Germans in Poland and a Polish military mobilization?”
My response: The Polish military did mobilize troops against Germany.
Poland threatened Germany with a partial mobilization of her forces on March 23, 1939. Hundreds of thousands of Polish army reservists were mobilized, and Hitler was warned that Poland would fight to prevent the return of Danzig to Germany. The Poles were surprised to discover that Germany did not take this challenge seriously. Hitler, who deeply desired friendship with Poland, refrained from responding to the Polish threat of war. Germany did not threaten Poland and took no precautionary military measures in response to the Polish partial mobilization. (Source: Ibid., pp. 311-312).
On August 29, 1939, the Polish government decided upon the general mobilization of its army. The Polish military plans stipulated that general mobilization would be ordered only in the event of Poland’s decision for war. Henderson informed Halifax of some of the verified Polish violations prior to the war. The Poles blew up the Dirschau (Tczew) bridge across the Vistula River even though the eastern approach to the bridge was in German territory. The Poles also occupied a number of Danzig installations and engaged in fighting with the citizens of Danzig on the same day. Henderson reported that Hitler was not insisting on the total military defeat of Poland. Hitler was prepared to terminate hostilities if the Poles indicated that they were willing to negotiate a satisfactory settlement. (Source: Ibid., pp. 537, 577).
You select evidence so as to make it appear that the fierce bad Poles forced war upon peace-loving Germany.
'...The Poles blew up the Dirschau (Tczew) bridge across the Vistula River even though the eastern approach to the bridge was in German territory. The Poles also occupied a number of Danzig installations and engaged in fighting with the citizens of Danzig on the same day. Henderson reported that Hitler was not insisting on the total military defeat of Poland. Hitler was prepared to terminate hostilities if the Poles indicated that they were willing to negotiate a satisfactory settlement. (Source: Ibid., pp. 537, 577).
This is exactly what the defenders of 'Holocaust' victim fables say in response to those questioning the exaggerated claims of horrible treatment by the Germans (who are not known for it!). It is not wise to copy them. All people might lie about anything without a reason or for any reason. Lying is not a far-fetched idea/reaction by everyday people OR educated professionals, but is unfortunately more common that we'd like to believe. And we never know who might do it.
These people had no reason to lie about the Polish atrocities against Germans.
Good, ol’ times!
Good times for whom? I don’t think the “she-Nazis” claim Germans were happy to invade Poland. Nor do we claim that war is a good ol’ time for anyone. The Soviets/Bolsheviks certainly proclaimed war and terror in a celebratory and savage manner:
“Kill! Kill! In the German race there is nothing but evil; not one among the living, not one among the yet unborn but is evil! Follow the precepts of Comrade Stalin. Stamp out the fascist beast once and for all in its lair! Use force and break the racial pride of these German women. Take them as your lawful booty. Kill! As you storm onward, kill, you gallant soldiers of the Red Army.” – Ilya Ehrenburg
think only you have the right to be sentimental. Wrong!
You are entitled to argue by sentiment and emotion to your heart’s content; that’s what you mostly do. And, you cite Wikipedia as an accurate source for complex history. I find it curious that your ire, and that of your fellow Slavs, as well, is directed primarily at Germans/Germany, but not Swedes or Rus. Or, at Mongols/Turks….The German/Germanic underpinnings within Polish society and civilization is well-documented and can’t be refuted, so it’s clear to me that this Ire is based more on old scores, resentment, or propaganda than on factual or actual pervasive and ongoing German offenses against Poles, generally.
Do your research. Don’t be just another brainless neo-nazi.
So, Poland, wrested from Russian domination by force, was reestablished by the Austrians/Germans in 1916. Then what?
As thanks for this generous act, regular units of the Polish army joined Korfanty armed bands and began seizing purely German districts in Upper Silesia and Western Prussia. In response to German electoral victories in every region that held a plebiscite, they initiated a reign of terror; and thanks to French backing, Poland was allowed to keep these German districts. [Jürgen Rieger]
The Poles weren’t just anxious to shed blood in 1939 and 1945, they began immediately after the creation of their new state. The bloodiest rebellions raged in West Prussia, in the region of Posen and Upper Silesia. The Korfanty bands terrorized German Upper Silesia since August 1919 until the division of the territory in violation of international law in 1922. In Posen, in 1921, it was possible to read the following on posters and in leaflets:
“With this broom we will sweep the last Germans from Poland! Any that are still there in July 1921 is German trash and will be slaughtered to a man, and the biggest Hakatists [ethnic German Catholics] will be covered with petroleum and tar, set on fire and burned…[Else Löser]
Sonderaktion Krakau was a German operation against professors and academics of the Jagiellonian University and other universities in German-occupied Kraków, Poland
The Jagiellonian University professors and staff weren’t marched off to a remote forest to be tortured and killed, were they? No. They were arrested in November, 1939, after a peace offer made in October was rejected. After years of inciting violence and dispossession against Germans, Poland started a fight with their historical enemy (who wasn’t a historical enemy, btw?); Poles were smacked down by a superior military force; Poles were abandoned by their guarantors; and you whine and snivel because the Poles had to suffer the consequences of refusing to make peace with the dreaded Niemcy.
The elder professors/staff of Jagiellonian University, who were arrested during a military conflict, were released by Germany approximately four months later; the remaining personnel were released about a year later. The Intellectual Poles of Jagiellonian suffered a fate very different from the victims at Katyn Forest, yes? How many victims at Katyn Forest? You gotta give it to the ol’ Soviets, though – they knew how to ausrotten an enemy…
Or give the names of the victims and the method of persecution, if you insist.
On the website for Jagiellonian University, there is a list of the commemorative plaques on campus. One such plaque is described thusly –
A bronze plaque commemorating the victims of Stalinism – the University’s students, alumni, and staff killed or gone missing in the years 1939–1945.
So, do you have a list of the names of the victims and the method of persecution?
Do your research. Don’t be just another brainless neo-nazi.
There are credible sources detailing Poland’s animosity and hatred of Germans, but Poland seems to obscure their role in the political shenanigans of the 20th century, particularly as it pertains to WW2 and the “Holocaust.” Recently, when Poland had the audacity to assert/claim that ethnic Polish people suffered greatly during WW2, they were smacked down by World Jewry for hogging attention from the ONLY INNOCENT victims of WW2 – The Jews. Poland groveled, as Poland does, despite the fact that, like Russia, they are sitting on mounds of evidence that could reveal the lies and fabrications on the nature and causes of WW2 and the so-called Holocaust.
To be fair, Germany grovels to Organized Jewry/Israel, too. But, in 1933 – 1945, they did NOT, did they?
More on the Polish animosity that you deny:
In 1937, the [Polish] General Staff officer [Henryk] Baginski, states as follows, among other things, in his book, which is constantly being republished:
“Until peace reigns in Europe, until the name of Prussia, which is after all already the name of a people which has long since disappeared from the map of Europe, has been wiped out, until the Germans have shifted their capital city Berlin further to the West.” [Poland and Falsifications of Polish History, Else Löser ]
I think the referenced book is Poland and the Sea…I may try to get it one day.
Do your research. Don’t be just another brainless neo-nazi.
I found this bit of Polish History interesting –
Jagiellonian University was founded in 1364 by the Polish king Casimir the Great…
From the Jewish Encyclopedia – Esterka the Jewess.
In 1356, Casimir became infatuated with a beautiful Jewess, named Esther (Esterka)… She bore him two sons (Niemerz and Pelka) and one daughter (not two, as stated by Grätz). The sons were brought up in the Christian religion; the daughter, in the Jewish. Many Polish noble families, as the Lubienski, Niemir, Niemiryez, Niemirowski, claim to be their descendants. Polish historians ascribe the special favors and privileges bestowed on the Jews by Casimir to his love for Esther; but they are not correct in this ascription, since the privileges in question were confirmed by Casimir in 1334, twenty-two years, before his relations with Esther….Poland, being a fertile but sparsely populated country, was in want of trade and industries. The Jews, who during the pestilence of 1360 fled from Germany, migrated to Poland with their wealth. It may also with certainty be admitted that foreign Jews provided Casimir with large sums of money, thus enabling him to found new cities and to develop many old ones.”
Cracow was in Casimir’s time one of the Hanse towns in alliance with forty other cities in Europe. So full of gratitude to Casimir were the Jews, that at the marriage of Casimir’s granddaughter Elizabeth, Wierzynek, a Jewish merchant of Cracow, requested from the king the honor of being allowed to give the young bride a wedding present of 100,000 florins in gold, an immense sum at that time and one equal to her dowry from her grandfather.
So, WHO “built” Poland? Jews or Germans? Like America, it seems Poland chose the wrong “enemy.”
Oh, so suddenly, the Jewish sources are credible?
From the Jewish Encyclopedia – Esterka the Jewess.
Nazis murdered Slavic peoples —Untermenschen — on a mass scale.
Are you asserting that “Nazis” murdered Slavs, en masse, from 1933 – August 31, 1939? If so, approximately how many and by what method?
Did “Nazis” murder Slavs, en masse, during a declared war which was preceded by escalating violence against Germans in Poland and a Polish military mobilization? Is a kill during military conflict generally classified as murder? How many Poles died in combat against Germany before Hitler offered peace and reconciliation in October, 1939? How many Poles were saved by Polish allies, England and France, from their fate at the hands of the Germans and the Soviets?
Nazis didn’t regard the French as Untermenschen.
That’s right; France is Frankreich. Was there a Germanic presence in France or Gaul?
Neither the rest of Western European peoples… the Nordics.. the English. Hitler considered them some kind of racial (Aryan) kin of Germanic peoples.
That’s because they are/were kindred peoples.
if only your Führer had stayed in his occupied Western Europe.
Well, that’s just it – he did, in fact, focus on the reestablishment of the German Reich as it was pre-Versailles. He accomplished all, without a bloody conflict, until Danzig/Poland. But, alas – the Allies declared war against Germany, NOT Russia, in defense of Poland, and “neutral” America begins the “official” Lend-Lease shenanigans to assist Russia in March, 1941. The writing was on the wall, and Hitler recognized the impending encirclement of Germany. Operation Barbarossa was preemptive. Hitler is on record, repeatedly, warning against the predatory and malevolent spirit/nature and objectives of Soviet/Bolshevik Russia and what appeared to be an inevitable conflict against communism/Bolshevism in the future. And, so it was.
WW2 was in no way, whatsoever, an effort to keep NS Germany from “destroying the free world.”
I asked him [Joseph P. Kennedy, American ambassador in Berlin] about his conversations with Roosevelt and Neville Chamberlain from 1938 on…Kennedy’s view: that Hitler would have fought Russia without any later conflict with England if it had not been for Bullitt’s [William C. Bullitt, then ambassador to France] urging on Roosevelt in the summer of 1939 that the Germans must be faced down about Poland; neither the French nor the British would have made Poland a case of war, if it had not been for the constant needling from Washington…
Chamberlain, he said, stated that America and the world Jews had forced England into the war.
[The Forrestal Diaries]
Look-up SLBFDR’s “American” Brain Trust, Avery.
There was no such thing. Pure Nazi German propaganda. Do your research. Don't be just another brainless neo-nazi. Or give the names of the victims and the method of persecution, if you insist.Replies: @John Wear
escalating violence against Germans in Poland and a Polish military mobilization?
French looted art, yes.
But Nazis murdered — on a mass scale — then looted.
The “Nazis” murdered the French on a mass scale? Is that your claim?
The Noodle(s) – Colin Wright=Wielgus=John Johnson – knows about as much accurate/relative European history as you, apparently.
Napoleon didn’t invade Russia to exterminate Russians and steal their lands.
Tell us – why did Napoleon invade Russia?
On relative history and the alleged bellicosity and belligerence of the Germanics in the Napoleon era –
…we ought to find that the Germans were the first to break the general peace that came to Europe with the final fall of Napoleon in 1815. Do we find this? Well, let us examine the facts.
1823 A French Army crosses into Spain to support the King of Spain against his parliament.
1826 Russia goes to war with Persia and annexes two Persian provinces.
1827 A combined Anglo-French-Russian fleet attacks a Turko-Egyptian fleet at Navarino and destroys it.
1828 Russia invades Turkey in support of the Greek insurgents.
1830 France commences the conquest of Algeria, which is not completed until 1847.
1831 The rebellion of Mehemet Ali of Egypt against Turkey brings in Russia against Mehemet Ali.
1839 Britain attacks Afghanistan (a failure).
1840 The “Opium War” by Britain against China. British occupation of New Zealand, resulting in years of warfare against the Maoris.
1848 Piedmont declares war on Austria.
1854 Crimean War between Britain, France, Piedmont, and Turkey, on the one side, and Russia on the other.
1856 Britain goes to war with Persia.
1857 Britain begins a new war against China. Indian Mutiny against Britain.
1858 France (initially assisted by Spain) begins the conquest of Indo-China, which is not ended until 1863.
1859 Austria declares war on Piedmont, and France on Austria. The Anglo-Chinese war having been interrupted by the Indian Mutiny, it is now reopened, with the French helping the British, resulting in the sack and destruction of the Summer Palace, near Peking.
1862 French expedition to Mexico, initially supported by England and Spain.Thus, in the first 48 years after Waterloo, we find the British involved in six foreign wars, one Colonial conquest, and the suppression of one major mutiny; France involved in four foreign wars, and two Colonial conquests: Russia involved in five foreign wars, without mentioning her eastern expansion in Asia and the suppression of revolts in Poland (1830 and 1863) and elsewhere; and Austria involved in two foreign wars, and the suppression of various revolts among the heterogeneous populations forming the Austrian Empire.
Now, the 1864 conflict between Denmark and Prussia/Austria falls within the revolts among the heterogeneous populations category as it was a territorial dispute caused by royal succession disputes, as far as I can tell, but otherwise, the assertion that Germanics lagged behind in foreign/colonial endeavors and out-fighting, as opposed to in-fighting, is historically accurate.
The Makers of War, Francis Neilson, page 32:
Peace campaigns usually end in war. It was so before 1914; it was so before 1939….
Arthur Balfour crossed the Atlantic with Edward Holden and had a chat with him [President Woodrow Wilson] – (I wonder WHAT Balfour had to say, or Declare!, to Wilson on the benefits and beneficiaries of a WW? I have tried to confirm this alleged voyage, but to no avail, I admit. All things considered, I’d bet it did happen.…)
Page 28 –
[…]
Dr. Quincy Wright, in his volumes called A Study of War, produces tables that show how the peace-loving democracies kept the peace.
From 1800 to 1941, Great Britain fought 34 wars, and, in the same period, France fought 29. Germany (Prussia) fought 10.
If you would just get off Wikipedia; get off the Idiots Guide to World History – Kosher Edition, you might find a few tidbits of information that defy the BS narratives in which every western student of History/Anthropology/Crime Statistics/Truth has been mired since the emancipation of our Greatest Friends and Allies of Judeo-Chrstiandom, thus enabling undue influence and purchasing power in an open society full of Like People who want to believe We alls the same! We ain’t…
Supremacy earned, outright, is the natural order; supremacy earned by deceit and crimes of various nature leads to ruination and degradation for everyone.
The little Armenian man Avery writes:
are you, Hans Vogel, denying that as a result of Operation Barbarossa invasion:
•~15 million Soviet civilians lost their lives: murdered outright, killed due to bombardment, starved to death, died due to lack of medical aid and/or medicine,…
•~ 12 million Red Army troops KIA, deliberately starved to death, died of their wounds in Nazi German captivity?
Of course the poorly read Avery claims the German were responsible for the near entirety of those Soviet civilian deaths, when in actuality there’s a ton of evidence that emphatically demonstrates that Stalin himself was the culprit.
UR readers should click on the link below and read my comments in another UR WWII related thread, where I furnish proof that Stalin’s ‘Scorched Earth Policy’ was directly responsible for the starvation of vast bulk of those millions of his fellow countrymen and women that perished:
From the link above we have:
Within days after hostilities began, the Kremlin’s Central Committee issued orders to the effect that only scorched earth be left to the enemy. Everything of value was ordered to be destroyed, regardless of the needs of the civilian population left behind.
The measures taken by the Soviet Union between 1940 and 1942 aimed not only at furthering the Soviet war effort, but also at harming the German enemy even at the cost of huge losses of life among Soviet civilians.
The Soviet scorched-earth strategy included the deportation of millions of men, women and children; the resettlement and reestablishment of thousands of factories; the withdrawal of almost the entire railway rolling stock; the-annihilation of raw material depots; the removal of most of the agricultural machinery, cattle and grain stocks; the systematic destruction, burning and blowing up of the immovable infrastructure, inventories of all kinds, factory buildings, mines, residential areas, public buildings, public records, and even cultural monuments; and the intentional starvation of the civilian population which remained behind to face German occupation.
It was basically a policy which unscrupulously used the civilian population as a strategic pawn.
As early as February 1940, German intelligence had reported the systematic deportation of the Polish, Ukrainian and Jewish population from the western Ukraine.
In June 1940, up to one million Jewish refugees from German-occupied Poland along with many hundreds of thousands of Poles were deported to Siberia.
Then, a few weeks before 22 June 1941, mass deportations of the civilian populations along the entire frontier with Germany, Hungary, and Rumania took place.
From the link above we have this excerpt:
In summary, the scorched-earth policy was extremely well geared to Soviet objectives.
Extensive investments had been made in a rather thinly populated and underdeveloped area in order to develop its transportation facilities, power stations and network, and heavy industry.Last but not least, substitute factories had been systematically erected, ready to accept the industrial equipment from the more developed Soviet areas to the west should an unfavourable course of the war necessitate their removal to safer areas.
What was lacking, however, was the social infrastructure, such as housing and hospitals, to accommodate the many millions of civilians deported there between 1940 and 1941.As a result, 15-20 million civilians died of epidemics, hunger, overwork, lack of housing, lack of clothing and the brutal Siberian winter.
For UR readers that want to explore this matter in depth, they should click on the link below to an article featured in this webzine, that comprehensively explains that Stalin was responsible for the overwhelming bulk of Soviet civilian deaths during WWII:
https://www.unz.com/pub/jhr__soviet-scorched-earth-warfare-facts-and-consequences/
Lastly, Little Avery claims that considerable proportion of those Soviet Red Army soldiers that died during WWII were deliberately starved to death by the Germans.
This is demonstrably UNTRUE.
In the immediate aftermath of Operation Barbarossa and after the capture of around 3 million Soviet POW’s, the Germans approached Stalin (using the ICRC – International Committee of the Red Cross as an intermediate), and told him they did not have the wherewithal to feed the Soviet POW’s. They requested that Stalin send food (which the ICRC would monitor to ensure it went exclusively to the captured Red Army soldiers).
But STALIN REBUKED the ICRC envoys.
He cared not whether his captured soldiers lived or died.
At war’s end, there were nevertheless more than a few capture Soviet soldiers still alive – held by the Allies after liberation from German camps.
(Proof that the Germans did what they could, with the limited food supplies at their disposal).
Remember, German civilians in the cities were themselves starving in the concluding months of the war, as the German transport/food logistics distribution system completely broke down (due to being decimated by saturation Allied bombing and strafing).
Well, Stalin demanded that these Red Army soldiers be returned to the Soviet Union.
Meanwhile, these Soviet soldiers were well aware of their fate upon return to the motherland.
So they refused to go – many self inflicting serious wounds on themselves and committing suicide, rather than returning.
But the ZOG controlled and conscience-free Anglo-Zionist empire, despite knowing what was to become of them, handed them over to Stalin.
Summary: Upon return to the USSR, Stalin murdered the lot of them.
And, conveniently for those peddlers of fiction (like Avery and the ZOG affiliated sayanim that pollute the UR), said deaths were recorded as:‘Deaths of Red Army soldiers while in German captivity
‘.
UR readers, the thrust of all that I have to say is this:
Pretty much EVERYTHING YOU KNOW ABOUT WWII IS WRONG.
It is almost all ZOG CONJURED HORSESHIT that you’ve been indoctrinated with since birth by the ZOG owned/controlled media, the western public education system and the ZOG owned major book publishing corporations.
Using any honest metric one chooses to apply, the Anglo-Zionist empire (able assisted by the Jewish-Bolshevik Soviet Union), committed far more egregious atrocities during WWII – and especially AFTER the war (both qualitatively and most certainly quantitatively, than did the Germans).
It is not even a close call.
But the shameless little Armenian fellow Avery is not man enough to admit he was duped, and that his head is filled with fables concocted by Malignant International Jewry.
The first day of the rest of your life begins today.
It’s not too late to change your ways and instead stand shoulder to shoulder with the righteous.
Avery, you need only listen carefully to what the colossus of integrity John Wear has to say on these issues.
I can say, hand on heart, that although no man is infallible and knows everything, when it comes to WWII/Holohoax matters, John Wear is as close to perfect as you’re likely to encounter.
Listen to him. Be respectful when dealing with him. And most of all, express your heartfelt gratitude*.
(*For being so fortunate that John is so exceedingly magnanimous in allocating his precious time in the comments section of this webzine).
Why would Germans do this with an ethnic group they wish to biologically annihilate?
kidnapping and Germanizing Polish children
At Katyn Forest?
He murdered the intelligentsia
If this sentiment is true, I suggest you consider the mammoth volume and scope of the lies and falsehoods we are being pummeled with today and also over the last few decades - USS Liberty; JFK, 911; the border is closed! Africans built America and sailed with Vikings! So, they’re lying today, but we know the Truth of yesterday? Isn’t there a common thread on the nature and the promulgators of these lies? Yes, the Germans and the Poles were historical adversaries, but Hitler/the Germans were indeed fighting to protect Germany and Europe from a common enemy. Adolf Hitler publicly announced he wished to ally with Poland against the Bolsheviks and Jews; he returned territory to Poland, as well. As far as I know, he never said Poles/Slavs were the enemies of Europe; they became the enemies of NS Germany, yes. Unfortunately.The Germans were routinely blamed for the horrific actions of the Soviets/Bolsheviks in Eastern Europe and Russia, and I believe this based on voluminous corroborating personal testimonies of witnesses. Furthermore, if we see evidence of our captured press turning on Germans in WW1 for the audacity of fighting the Brits, (#1093) who, turns out, were fighting for a Jewish homeland, by God, how would the press then treat NS Germany for their efforts in thwarting the international hegemony of the very same group? What does our captured press do to us today?The obfuscation of this common enemy and pervasive propaganda against the opponents thereof persists today, as can be inferred in this essay/report on the plight of Polish refugees from Soviet territory - Soviet/Russian = Bolshevik/Jewish, but they don’t dare say that much -
The problems you mention are real and dangerous, not just for Germans, but also for Poles and all Europe. I do not deny their existence.
Replies: @tolkin, @Carolyn Yeager
[…] Manipulative aims of the Russian disinformation effort assisted by U. S. government employees at American taxpayers’ expense did not remain entirely unnoticed during the war, but not specifically in the case of refugees fleeing Russia. There were public and behind-the-scenes protests… about communist and Soviet influence over OWI radio programs which became known as the Voice of America (VOA), but the Polish orphans were not mentioned in connection with any such criticism. Both the Russians and the Roosevelt administration succeeded in keeping Polish refugees from attracting wider media attention. What was sometimes mentioned in public already during the war, especially in the U.S. Congress, was the larger concern over growing Russian influence within the executive branch of the U.S. federal government. These concerns were vigorously challenged by the administration and its supporters even as some of the most active communists were being quietly removed from their government jobs in response to pressure from Congress. At one point during the war, angry and suspicious U.S. lawmakers substantially cut the funding for OWI’s domestic propaganda…It is hard to tell who within the Roosevelt administration saw classified reports about Stalin’s atrocities, but both American and Russian propagandists tried to hide the news of crimes against humanity being committed by the Soviet communists from being discovered. OWI officials and VOA journalists quickly dismissed evidence of such Soviet crimes as false Nazi propaganda. Later on Soviet propagandists went much further and accused non-communist Poles of being right-wing reactionaries, anti-Semites, and fascists…For propagandists in the Roosevelt administration, Polish refugees who fled from Russia in 1942 had to be presented as something else from what they were. Not as fascists, which became the Soviet propaganda theme, but as refugees fleeing Nazi aggression—a deceptive claim because they were not from the part of Poland occupied by Germany and were forcibly removed by the Soviets from their homes long before the Germans occupied the area in 1941…The Roosevelt administration would not allow the refugees to provide evidence of Stalin’s communist brutality, but extreme left-wing U.S. propagandists were in any case not inclined to believe in any charges of communist repression or eager to report them. Sources:
Czesław Straszewicz, “O Świcie,” Kultura, October, 1953, 61-62. Office of War Information, Overseas Branch, News and Features Bureau, “Manual of Information.” Restricted. Prepared by Training Desk. February 1, 1944Eighty-Second Congress, Second Session On Investigation of The Murder of Thousands of Polish Officers in The Katyn Forest Near Smolensk, Russia; Part 3 (Chicago, Ill.), March 13 and 14, 1952, The Katyn Forest Massacre: Hearings Before The Select Committee to Conduct An Investigation on The Facts, Evidence and Circumstances of the Katyn Forest Massacre (Washington: United States Government Printing Office, 1952), 455.
The photos you posted prove nothing, really, on the prevalence of an official scorched-earth and/or terror policy of the German military.
I noticed that too, along with every video and film clip presented here by this ignoramus as “evidence.” It’s all in Polish, which no one can understand, a language no one tries to learn as an additional language. He knows that, of course, but ignores reality for his pretense of having a valid argument for his biased point of view.
And what is Tolkin’s response to all your valid points? Crickets. Always. But he and Avery have no shame. That’s a requirement for anti-German Polish activists, because they have no case but keep up the accusations and bullshit nevertheless. Of course, they are both completely anonymous, never a trace of who they might be, even where they live. It is pointless to reply to them, really. Which is increasingly my attitude to Unz Review as a whole — why bother? Is it moving the ball forward? I certainly have my doubts. I love your commenting though, and look forward to reading each one. I know I’m not alone in that, so I’m not encouraging you to quit. Just saying that these guys you reply to are never going to change because they’re not expressing any sincere views; they’re just worker bees in the hive, doing their job as they see it.
All the best Tiptoe. You are loved.
Pleasant dreams of great and pure Germany!
German/Germanic greatness is/was not a dream. It is/was an objective reality. It was so historically, and certainly so upon the arrival of the NSDAP.
By comparison, you are delusional to believe/assert that the Bolsheviks/Soviets/Mongolian-Slavs, who slaughtered, starved, and enslaved their own citizens and their Slavic neighbors, en masse, contributed in any way commensurate to that of the Saxons/Anglos/Celts/Germanics in the development/prosperity/industrialization of Eastern Europe in the early 1900’s or in last few centuries. The preponderance of invitations to assist in civilization-building were extended in one direction – to Germans/Germanics. Do you have a source that indicates otherwise? Post it….
According to Internet AI –
In 1955, Switzerland and Sweden were likely the most prosperous nations in Europe
In 1960, West Germany was the most prosperous nation in Europe
1970 – West Germany: Had the largest economy in continental Europe, with a significant share of global GDP
So, despite having been razed and looted by Allied forces, Germany, by virtue of the German People, returned to prominence in just over ten years post war. Despite having looted and razed Germany with assistance from Anglo-Saxon America/England, Soviet/Slavic Russia and Soviet-occupied Europe, wallowed in general deprivation and misery. WHY was it necessary to construct a Wall in Berlin? Got any riveting tales on Escape to the Soviets?
GRUESOME HARVEST
The Costly Attempt To Exterminate The People of Germany
By Ralph Franklin Keeling
INSTITUTE OF AMERICAN ECONOMICS
1947The sacking of Germany after her unconditional surrender will go down in history as one of the most monstrous acts of modern times. Its excess beggars description and its magnitude defies condemnation…
Russian soldiers were particularly ravenous, their appetites for loot being restrained only by the limitation placed on their own rights to hold property…
The serious looting by the Russians was conducted officially, systematically and thoroughly. Every house and apartment was entered, searched, and stripped… Farms were denuded of farm animals, machinery, seed reserves, fodder…Automobiles, motor trucks, even fire engines, were seized…For the German standard of living must be lowered to the average of Europe…
German scientists, as a matter of fact, have become a highly esteemed form of war plunder. Russia, the first to recognize their value, was unable to hide…efforts to grab as many as she could…
At Potsdam, Russia was apportioned the lion’s share of the reparation. She was to receive all from her own zone, plus 25 per cent from the other zones… President Truman said of the arrangement: “It is a means of maintaining a balanced economy in Germany and providing the usual exchange of goods between the eastern part and the western.” In other words, one section of German economy must give up to Russia 15 per cent of the flesh to be stripped from its bones in order to receive sustenance from another section – a most remarkable form of economic cannibalism…
Meanwhile, Russia was stripping her zone to the bone…Many of Germany’s greatest producers of civilian goods were dismantled and shipped eastward… All secondary rail lines were torn up and all electric locomotives removed from the zone.
But many of the confiscated plants were left in Germany where they could be operated by Germans for Russia’s benefit. She installed Russian or Communist foremen and placed Russians or Communists on the Boards of Directors. In this fashion she acquired complete ownership and control of 200 of Germany’s key industries…and many of the most important iron ore plants, machine tool factories, coal mine companies, potash mines, and electrical plants.
The truth of the general and oft-corroborated conduct of the Soviet/Mongolian/Bolsheviki soldiers towards the civilian populations of Europe is well documented, but mostly obscured by “western/Allied” media/history. Are we to dismiss the observations of eyewitness, General Patton? His “accidental” death was certainly convenient to Established History, yes?
[Also from Gruesome Harvest] – The following is an eye-witness account of what the Russians did in eastern Germany written by a veteran American newspaperman:
“REDS TERRORIZE CONQUERED WITH RAPE AND DEATH”
…a dramatic illustration of the state of terror in which women in Russian-occupied eastern Germany were living. All these women, Germans, Polish, Jewish, and even Russian girls ‘freed’ from Nazi slave camps were dominated by one desperate desire – to escape from the Red zone.
… In…the territory of the comprising the towns of Schlawe, Lauenburg, and Buckow and hundreds of larger villages – Red soldiers during the first weeks of their occupation raped every woman and girl between the ages of 12 and 60. That sounds exaggerated but it is the simple truth.… Husbands and fathers who attempted to protect their women folk were shot down and girls offering extreme resistance were murdered.
… Some weeks after the invasion, Red ‘political commissions’ began a tour of the countryside ostensibly in search of members of the Nazi party… “This reign of terror lasted as long as I was with the Reds in Pomerania. Several girls whom I had known during my captivity committed suicide. Others died after having been raped by ten soldiers in succession.”
… All of these girls already had been raped and three of them – one a little girl of 13 – were pregnant.
[B.J. Kospoth, London, August 4, 1945, Washington Times Herald, and Congressional Record, Dec. 4, 1945, p. 11554.]
Furthermore, the extent to which “Holocaust survivors” confirm Russian/Soviet/Slavic savagery in personal testimonies is astonishing; the extent to which they unwittingly exculpate the (false) allegations on German savagery is astonishing.
There is an obvious conclusion to be drawn about Germany/Hitler/WW2 from the myriad and fantastic discrepancies in – matters of eyewitness testimony; in scientific analysis; in demographic statistics; in the complete abrogation of Western Jurisprudence at Nuremberg and other tribunals; in the sanctioned censorship and legislation against and criminalization of Inquiry in Germany/Europe over all matters relating to the “Holocaust” – SOMEONE is lying about Germany and WW2. YOU swallow the lies and falsehoods that SOMEONE attempts to spoon-feed to all of us.
The photos you posted prove nothing, really, on the prevalence of an official scorched-earth and/or terror policy of the German military. Scorched-earth, terror, rape, etc., were obvious and openly proclaimed strategies of the Soviets/Bolsheviks, however. And, in point of fact, it was initially alleged that the piles of corpses found in German camps, of which we have all seen those photographs of dozers pushing bodies into pits, were the results of homicidal gassings, however it was ultimately determined by Allied physicians that disease and starvation were the culprits. Photographs, generally, are (possibly) corroborating evidence, only. How many people say/have said those camp dozer photos prove genocide/the Holocaust? Nearly everyone does. Everyone is wrong.
Did Adolf Hitler secure a treaty with Poland in 1934? Did he attempt to maintain said treaty after Pilsudski’s death in 1935? Did he repeatedly attempt negotiations with Poland over Danzig and the Corridor? Did the Brits withhold information from Poland during a “final” negotiation with Germany? Did Hitler offer peace after Poland, upon invasion, went down in flames on their own soil? Yes, yes, yes, yes, and yes. But, yes, the Germans were the real problem….
On the accusations of German brutality, I did bother to watch/listen to the testimony of many “Holocausted” Jews; with few exceptions, they always defied the mainstream narratives on the conduct of the Germans. Here are a few quotes:
The Soviets destroyed the city [Danzig].
We took a shower [with water] and they deloused us with a powder [at Auschwitz].
The Soviets dressed us in striped pajamas and took photographs. The Soviets scattered bodies, which were removed from the morgue, on the camp grounds for photographs.
No one starved with the Germans. After Soviet liberation, we fled from Budapest under Soviet gunfire.
The Nazis were throwing bread to Jews. The Poles were taking the bread from the Jews. We escaped to Russia, but the Soviets made life miserable, so we petitioned to return to German-occupied Warsaw.
I recently learned our relatives were killed with an ax by their Polish neighbors; we always thought the Nazis did it.
If you get off Wikipedia and eschew the establishment approved narratives, the story of WW2 and Germany changes significantly. If you actually read this site, I wonder how it is that you haven’t seriously questioned if what you believe is true is actually true. Turns out, Germany was not guilty as charged, nor were they the villains of WW1 or WW2. The innocent Jews are/have been showing themselves for who/what they were/are, yes?
kidnapping and Germanizing Polish children
Why would Germans do this with an ethnic group they wish to biologically annihilate?
He murdered the intelligentsia
At Katyn Forest?
The problems you mention are real and dangerous, not just for Germans, but also for Poles and all Europe. I do not deny their existence.
If this sentiment is true, I suggest you consider the mammoth volume and scope of the lies and falsehoods we are being pummeled with today and also over the last few decades – USS Liberty; JFK, 911; the border is closed! Africans built America and sailed with Vikings! So, they’re lying today, but we know the Truth of yesterday? Isn’t there a common thread on the nature and the promulgators of these lies?
Yes, the Germans and the Poles were historical adversaries, but Hitler/the Germans were indeed fighting to protect Germany and Europe from a common enemy. Adolf Hitler publicly announced he wished to ally with Poland against the Bolsheviks and Jews; he returned territory to Poland, as well. As far as I know, he never said Poles/Slavs were the enemies of Europe; they became the enemies of NS Germany, yes. Unfortunately.
The Germans were routinely blamed for the horrific actions of the Soviets/Bolsheviks in Eastern Europe and Russia, and I believe this based on voluminous corroborating personal testimonies of witnesses. Furthermore, if we see evidence of our captured press turning on Germans in WW1 for the audacity of fighting the Brits, (#1093) who, turns out, were fighting for a Jewish homeland, by God, how would the press then treat NS Germany for their efforts in thwarting the international hegemony of the very same group? What does our captured press do to us today?
The obfuscation of this common enemy and pervasive propaganda against the opponents thereof persists today, as can be inferred in this essay/report on the plight of Polish refugees from Soviet territory – Soviet/Russian = Bolshevik/Jewish, but they don’t dare say that much –
[…] Manipulative aims of the Russian disinformation effort assisted by U. S. government employees at American taxpayers’ expense did not remain entirely unnoticed during the war, but not specifically in the case of refugees fleeing Russia. There were public and behind-the-scenes protests… about communist and Soviet influence over OWI radio programs which became known as the Voice of America (VOA), but the Polish orphans were not mentioned in connection with any such criticism.
Both the Russians and the Roosevelt administration succeeded in keeping Polish refugees from attracting wider media attention. What was sometimes mentioned in public already during the war, especially in the U.S. Congress, was the larger concern over growing Russian influence within the executive branch of the U.S. federal government. These concerns were vigorously challenged by the administration and its supporters even as some of the most active communists were being quietly removed from their government jobs in response to pressure from Congress. At one point during the war, angry and suspicious U.S. lawmakers substantially cut the funding for OWI’s domestic propaganda…
It is hard to tell who within the Roosevelt administration saw classified reports about Stalin’s atrocities, but both American and Russian propagandists tried to hide the news of crimes against humanity being committed by the Soviet communists from being discovered. OWI officials and VOA journalists quickly dismissed evidence of such Soviet crimes as false Nazi propaganda. Later on Soviet propagandists went much further and accused non-communist Poles of being right-wing reactionaries, anti-Semites, and fascists…
For propagandists in the Roosevelt administration, Polish refugees who fled from Russia in 1942 had to be presented as something else from what they were. Not as fascists, which became the Soviet propaganda theme, but as refugees fleeing Nazi aggression—a deceptive claim because they were not from the part of Poland occupied by Germany and were forcibly removed by the Soviets from their homes long before the Germans occupied the area in 1941…The Roosevelt administration would not allow the refugees to provide evidence of Stalin’s communist brutality, but extreme left-wing U.S. propagandists were in any case not inclined to believe in any charges of communist repression or eager to report them.
Sources:
Czesław Straszewicz, “O Świcie,” Kultura, October, 1953, 61-62.Office of War Information, Overseas Branch, News and Features Bureau, “Manual of Information.” Restricted. Prepared by Training Desk. February 1, 1944
Eighty-Second Congress, Second Session On Investigation of The Murder of Thousands of Polish Officers in The Katyn Forest Near Smolensk, Russia; Part 3 (Chicago, Ill.), March 13 and 14, 1952, The Katyn Forest Massacre: Hearings Before The Select Committee to Conduct An Investigation on The Facts, Evidence and Circumstances of the Katyn Forest Massacre (Washington: United States Government Printing Office, 1952), 455.
I noticed that too, along with every video and film clip presented here by this ignoramus as "evidence." It's all in Polish, which no one can understand, a language no one tries to learn as an additional language. He knows that, of course, but ignores reality for his pretense of having a valid argument for his biased point of view.
The photos you posted prove nothing, really, on the prevalence of an official scorched-earth and/or terror policy of the German military.
For you, “tolkin, yet neither English nor German (?),” and your little joiner, Avery –
Hate is not in my vocabulary.
Nor is Reason, Common Sense, or Truth. In fact, as is inherent within most of Jewry and amongst the negroes, wherein Truth = Hate; Pattern Recognition/Objective Reality = Bigotry and Prejudice; Germanic/European Nationalism = Racism and antisemitism, you two betray the ethnic group/civilization for which you sneakily attempt to represent/advocate as (Jewish?) posers, or as may be, Useful Idiot Traitors.
It’s in yours and your 3 vampire friends – Yeager, Tiptoethrutulips and Annacath – who come here at night on their broomsticks
Vampires require NO broomsticks. Accuracy is clearly not your strong point…
venom of anti-Slavic hatred, racism, Nazism, and supremacism.
Here’s a bit of venomous (yet actual) Truth for you –
[In 1917, whilst in the throes of mankind’s greatest conflict against the new “Huns”] A leading article in the Western Daily Press ran in part as follows: “…There is no other solution so much demanded by historical association and living sentiment as that, if it be possible, the Jewish people should retake possession of the small but intensely interesting country over which they ruled, with some interruptions, for nearly 2000 years. Mr. Balfour’s declaration has delighted many influential British Jews. It can hardly fail to delight equally, the Jews of Poland and Russia, who have suffered so much from the ‘religious’ bigotry of ignorant people, and the Jews of Germany and Austria, often very wealthy and influential, will be forced to ask themselves why they are at present helping to preserve Turkish rule over a country which the British are anxious to restore to the Jewish race.”
In the Daily News, November 10 –
“…In deciding to give the Zionist their chance, the British government have done a bold thing and a wise thing; and as an honestly inspired and intelligent disinterest is sounder policy than the most crafty selfishness, they have incidentally struck in this dark hour a very heavy blow for the cause for which the free peoples of the world are fighting, considered merely a gesture, what is there in the war to compare in effectiveness of this decision… The promise of the restoration of Palestine will count for more in the judgment of the world, then all the desolation rot by the German legions among the nations to whom they have trodden under foot.The Right Hon. Lord Robert Cecil… M.P. ….said: “I have come here with the greatest possible pleasure at the request of those who represent, or who have led the representation of the Zionist movement of this country, to offer to you, and to all Zionism, my hearty congratulation on the event which you are celebrating today:
And perhaps you will allow me to mention in connection with these congratulations, not only your Chairman, but also Mr. Nahum Sokolow and Dr. C. Weizmann, who have done so much for the cause…
The key-note of our meeting this afternoon is liberation.
We welcome among us not only the many thousands of Jews that I see, but also representatives of the Arabian and Armenian races who are also in this great struggle, struggling to be free. Our wish is that Arabian countries shall be for the Arabs, Armenia for the Armenians, and Judea for the Jews.
Yes, and let us add, if it can be so, let Turkey, real Turkey, be for the Turks…
I venture to claim for this country, that in supporting Zionism, it has been merely carrying out its traditional policy.
[History of Zionism: 1600-1918, by Sokolow, Nahum]
So, WHAT was WW1 on about, anyway? One would think the Brits had other fish to fry besides worrying over the Jews. It’s almost AS IF there was an ulterior agenda at play amongst an alien group who felt no fealty to the people or nation fighting for a secret, yet obvious, outcome. Then along came Adolf Hitler, who Belled the Kosher Katze…
I note, in 1917, they briefly extolled the notion of Armenia for Armenians (did they check with the Donmeh, I wonder?) and Turkey for Turks, etc. What about the later notion of Germany for Germans? How quickly their “noble” and contrived platitudes fade away….
And, what of Europe for Europeans?
Barbara Spectre, of the Jewish Learning center, Paideia, said, “I think there’s a resurgence of antisemitism because at this point in time, Europe has not yet learned how to be multicultural…Europe is not gonna be the monolithic societies that they once were in the last century. Jews are gonna be at the center of that, it’s a huge transformation for Europe to make…. and Jews will be resented because of our leading role, but without that leading role, without that transformation, Europe will not survive.”
Dr. Gregor Gysi, former president of the Party of the European Left and a prominent politician of The Left (Die Linke), said –
“Live better without Nazis – Diversity is our future.”
“On June 6, 2015… we have to take a stand against the Nazis. Because of our history between 1933–1945, we are obliged to treat refugees properly. We also have to save their lives in the Mediterranean. There has to be a legal way to get asylum in Europe. Countries like Poland, very Catholic by the way, have to be willing to accept more refugees. Oh, and by the way: Every year more native Germans die than there are born. That is very fortunate… This decline is why we are so dependent on immigration from foreign countries.”
So, there’s a Bigger Picture that you two Useful Idiots refuse to see, but do keep whinging on about the plight of the Slavs at the hands of the Germans, whilst excusing or utterly ignoring the plight of Poles and other Eastern Europeans as targets/victims of the Soviet/Bolshevik Mongolian Slavic Hordes, who unlike the Germans, were neither invited in nor did they ever do a damn thing to assist Slavs in raising Slavic civilization to Western European standards. How you fail to understand that Slavic people are also targets for the destruction of Europa/Amalek/Edom/Whomever is beyond me, unless of course, you are not who you claim to be.
If anything, I feel sorry for you
Oh, please. Spare us, and you get an eye-roll button.
you are merely skeletons in your own closets.
What? That’s a stupid and nonsensical attempt at a swipe. Wit is not a strong point, either.
Congratulations! You just filled your annual gibberish quota, and then some. Don’t worry about the world: it understands NSDAP ‘accomplishments’ all too well. You, on the other hand, seem in utter denial.
'If there’s a lesson, it’s obviously the need for rescue ended with the coming of the Führer.'
“You, Gelding, are just spouting-off the propagandist effluence that has been poured down your maw and pressed into your mind in efforts to vilify Germany and the NSDAP and thereby prevent the world from understanding what was actually intended and what was actually accomplished by same.”
Translation: when losing an argument, change the subject with False Equivalence.
'But when did the USSR become the standard for Germany?'
“There’s a standard of comparison inasmuch as the Soviets are exempt from the level of criticism and deception given to Germany for the similar goal of restructuring/rehabilitating society; the harm done by the Soviets, and communism, in general, was far greater and more severe…”
Recognizing ‘a societal concern’ is hardly the same as enacting forced sterilization or state murder of hundreds of thousands.
'You’re justifying Third Reich policy with Jewish opinion?'
“I’m doing no such thing. The recognition of Eugenics/Dysgenics as a societal concern is nearly universal.”
This thread is on the Third Reich, not other groups. Kindly identify any exaggeration of NSDAP policies.
“You and your ilk discuss/deceive/exaggerate on the policies of the NSDAP whilst ignoring similar or more abusive policies of other groups”
Thank Ludendorff - he funded and inserted Lenin into Russia in 1917.
“The Soviets used terror and murder to affect an cause inspired by hatred, resentment, and malice. The methods and inspirations for the NSDAP were far different from that of the Soviets/Bolsheviks.”
Tisk, tisk. Ad-hominem, claws showing, is a poor substitute for substantive argument. Just ask the Führer [Tischgespräche 26 Jan 1942]:
“You understand NOTHING; you know NOTHING; you spout LIES and defend the LIARS and their FATHER.”
Translation: when losing an argument, change the subject with False Equivalence.
Is it your assertion, then, that mainstream/establishment history/media treats the Soviet regime of Stalin/Lenin and the NSDAP/Germany/Hitler equally in historical analysis and media/academic presentation?
Recognizing ‘a societal concern’ is hardly the same as enacting forced sterilization or state murder of hundreds of thousands.
Is it your assertion, then, that NO nation other than NS Germany ever acted beyond a discussion or an expression of “concern” with regard to the dysfunctional or dysgenic members of society?
Kindly identify any exaggeration of NSDAP policies.
Shall we start with the execution of 6 million by stuffing Jews in gas chambers, thousands at a time; gassing with bug spray; removing corpses with walking canes; stuffing corpses, 3-4 or 8-10 per muffle, in cremation ovens which zap everyone to ash in under an hour?
Or, how about the German policy for World Revolution, about which the “Nazis” drew a Secret Map to sail to and invade through South America, and this map found its way, luckily, into the hands of SLBFDR, and thank goodness it did because otherwise – All bread would be sliced, there’d be sauerkraut in every pot and endless toaster strudel – instead of the arrival of America/Europe am Limpopo –
New York Post, October 26, 2025 – Dad ‘Died of Grief’ After Daughter, 12, Was Raped and Beheaded by Migrant in France
The father of a 12-year-old girl “died of grief” after his daughter was kidnapped, raped, tortured and then beheaded in France by a sadistic Algerian migrant, the girl’s mother told a court…
Zero Hedge, October 27, 2025 – Danish Commercial Warns White Citizens About Breeding With Other Whites
European Conservative, October 15, 2025 – German Boy, 13, Beaten by Muslim Classmates Over “Non-Halal” Lunch
Jewish Virtual Library – US Representative of NY, Emanuel Celler (J), made his first major speech on the House floor during the consideration of the Johnson Immigration Act of 1924…. This “national origins” system was structured to discriminate against… Yiddish-speaking Jews. The Johnson Act of 1924, which Celler opposed….virtually [eliminated] all immigrants other than those from England, France, Ireland, and Germany.
The Johnson Act passed… Despite this setback, Celler had found his cause, and for the next four decades, he advocated eliminating national origin as a basis for immigration restriction….
Celler’s determination to fight U. S. immigration quotas was particularly reinforced one Sunday during World War II when a bearded rabbi came to his home…. The rabbi… spoke forcefully to Celler. “Don’t you see, can’t you see?” the rabbi asked, “Won’t you see that there are millions — millions — being killed. Can’t we save some of them? Can’t you, Mr. Congressman, do something?” Celler equivocated, averring that President Roosevelt had told him that he sympathized with the Jewish plight but could not divert ships being used to transport war material and soldiers to bring in refugees. The rabbi’s reply moved Celler to tears: “If six million cattle had been slaughtered,” he observed, “there would have been greater interest.”
Was Bearded Rabbi a prophet? Or, has 6 Million! been an incessant gripe for Jews since time immemorial? Reminds me of the similar gripe of the negroes – We wuz Kangs and we bilt piromids and she-itz…! But, as you say, I’m off topic…
Tisk, tisk. Ad-hominem
Is it really ad-hominem if it’s true?
Take the Führer’s advice and try interior decoration.
Tsk, tsk, Gelding. That’s a rather piggish thing to say to a woman as a poor substitute for substantive argument, but no matter, I can easily and happily handle both realms.
Why not just “live and let live?”
Are you an Englishman or a German?
The Church wasn’t mentioned because Hitler meant to finish it off, but couldn’t go public. Especially with a war on. Religion was to be reduced to subservience until extinct, replaced by crackpot NS racial ideology ala Hitler and Rosenberg.
‘Except there’s no Kirche in what Hitler said…Seems pretty clear.’
“What’s clear? That Kirche wasn’t really a top priority considering the Jewish-Jesus/Chosen People! mumbo-jumbo rife within modern Christianity…”
Absolute nonsense. Hitler was jealous of any and all authority outside the Party and State. In other words, anything he couldn’t control. Roman Catholicism, with a Pope in Rome, was a constant thorn in his side.
“Hitler understood religious authority was important to so many in a well-functioning and cohesive society”
Göbbels didn’t lie. The individual’s only significance was as a part of the whole, a dependable cog in the machine. Duty was owed the State (das Volk), not parents, faith or family. Those unwilling to go along were reported and ‘re-educated’ in punishment camps.
‘Not under National Socialism: the ‘individual’ didn’t exist’
“Now you’re just spewing lies. There is a place and necessity for duty and obligation within families and societies that should supersede absolute individual freedoms.”
Please, let’s not. Hagee’s religion is shaking the ‘Shills for Israel’ money tree.
“Let’s ask Christian pastor, John Hagee, who recently said at an event for Christians United for Israel…”
Not really. Sounds like a Lewis Carroll oxymoronic fantasy: ‘Tulips in Wonderland’.
“What part of – there can be no thriving/safe/wholesome small world without a properly functioning big world, free from chaos and spiteful malevolence towards “unchosen” or “common” humanity – are you unable to grasp?”
You compared Hitler, a jobless, pampered Munich salon curiosity in 1924, with Tilman. Now you’re shifting the goalpost with some Tilman conspiracy. Interesting, but nothing to do with Hitler. As for conspiracies, why wasn’t Hitler deported to Austria after his first and/or second felony?
“You obviously, and not surprisingly, missed the inference to human fodder for the machinations of our “Betters”.”
Colonel Max Bauer (Ludendorff’s politics/economic management advisor) started the ball rolling in spring 1919 with his publication of ‘Could We Have Avoided, Won, or Broken Off the War’, a pamphlet that concluded “It [WW1] was lost only and exclusively through the failure of the homeland. Especially the revolution sealed Germany’s fate in the most difficult moment.”
“Tillman also experienced a Stab In The Back, post 911, that, by similar experience, opened the eyes of Adolf Hitler, post WW1..”
The tens of thousands clergy murdered and imprisoned by the Third Reich were not random coincidences.
Tens of thousands? How many thousands? 60,000? 600,000?
How about a little specificity? Check with the Jewish Virtual Library, why don’t you?
On this thread, we discussed clergyman, Maximilian Maria Kolbe, who was captured/arrested by Germany in Poland in 1939 and subsequently released. Kolbe goes on to – he continued work at his friary where he and other friars provided shelter to refugees from Greater Poland, including 2,000 Jews whom he hid from Nazi persecution in the Niepokalanów friary. Kolbe received permission to continue publishing religious works, though significantly reduced in scope. The monastery continued to act as a publishing house, issuing a number of publications considered anti-Nazi – so, it seems German leniency was actually running amok despite myriad allegations and fabrications to the contrary.
Shoah “survivor,” Rachel Landau, testified that she was admonished by her Rabbi, “Do not gaze upon the image of Christ! Do not cross yourself! You are a Jew!” She was given this warning before being sent to a local Christian Church in Poland wherein a priest was risking his life to hide Jews.
So, it also seems that the clergy were, in fact, guilty of colluding with internal enemies, subversives, etc.; and Jews were, in fact, hostile to Christianity, in general. If one listens to the actual testimonies of Shoahed Jews, the underlying hostility and disdain for Poles, Germans, Christians, etc., is apparent. It seems the Germans were correct to try to ausrotten them all…
Göbbels didn’t lie… The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity’s illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jews.” [AH]
The text you posted from Göbbels is out of context, and I don’t think he was writing on what was meant to be a permanent state of being regarding a lack of free realms and no more personal happiness. There was an immediate task at hand…
Göbbels also said –
[…] this year, one… English newspaper(s) published a leading article entitled “Two Dictatorships”, in which [an] attempt was made to place before the readers… certain alleged similarities between Russian Bolshevism and German National Socialism.
In contradistinction to this, I shall try here to analyze Bolshevism into its basic elements…
International communism would entirely do away with all national and racial qualities which are founded in human nature itself; in property, it sees the most primary cause of the break-down of world trade in the capitalist system. Accordingly, it exploits this through an extensive and carefully organized and brutal system of action, setting aside personal values and sacrificing the individual to a hollow mass-idol that is only a travesty of actual life itself. At the same time, it ignores and destroys all the idealistic and higher strivings of men and nations…. On the other hand, National Socialism sees in all these things—in property, in personal values and in nation and race and the principles of idealism—these forces which carry on every human civilization and fundamentally determine its worth.
Bolshevism is explicitly determined on bringing about a revolution among all the nations. In its own essence, it has an aggressive and international tendency. But National Socialism confines itself to Germany and is not a product for export, either in its abstract or practical characteristics. Bolshevism denies religion as a principle, fundamentally and entirely. It recognizes religion only as an “opium for the people”. For the help and support of religious belief, however, National Socialism absolutely places in the foreground of its program, a belief in God and that transcendental idealism which has been destined by Nature to bring to expression the racial soul of a nation. National Socialism would give the lead in a new concept and shaping of European civilization. But the Bolshevics carry on a campaign, directed by the Jews, with the international underworld, against culture as such. Bolshevism is not merely anti-bourgeois; it is against human civilisation itself.
In its final consequences, it signifies the destruction of all the commercial, social, political and cultural achievements of Western Europe, in favor of a deracinated and nomadic international cabal which has found its representation in Judaism. This grandiose attempt to overthrow the civilized world is so much more dangerous in its effects… in Europe whose physical and spiritual destruction much be the first result of a Bolshevic world revolution.
Murder of individuals, murder of hostages and mass murder are the favorite means applied by Bolshevism to get rid of all opposition to its propaganda.
In Germany, we have religious controversies which arise from profound questions of conscience but have nothing whatsoever to do with a denial of religion. These controversies are exploited sometimes by harmless and sometimes malicious critics and a parallel is drawn between them and the absolutely dogmatic atheism of the Bolshevic International. To realize the grotesqueness of the parallel, it is only necessary to point to a few examples in the theory and practice of Communism.
Up to 1930, 31 bishops, 1,600 clergy and 7,000 monks were murdered under the Soviet regime. According to statistics available for 1930, there were then confined in prisons, under starvation conditions, 48 bishops, 3,700 clergy and 8,000 monks and nuns. The “International League against the Third International” at Geneva issued statistics on August 6th 1935, showing that in Russia 40,000 priests had been arrested, banished or murdered. Nearly all the Orthodox churches and chapels have been either destroyed or else closed to religious worship and converted into clubs, cinemas, barns etc….
Joseph Göbbels, Bolschewismus ohne Maske, 1935
Like I said, Hitler’s issue with Catholicism/Judaic Christianity was the underlying reverence and subservience to Jews, as the Chosen, imposed on followers, not a disbelief in a creator or creative force.
You compared Hitler, a jobless, pampered Munich salon curiosity in 1924, with Tilman. Now you’re shifting the goalpost with some Tilman conspiracy
What? No. I was comparing the “lived experience” of two soldiers who realized they were fighting under false pretenses and/or as fodder for an agenda beyond the Cause under which they agreed to fight. In both cases, the war and/or the extension/continuation of it was for Israel/Zionism/City of London.
In fact, Germany lost WW1 on the battlefield… The ‘stab-in-the-back’ legend was a shameless exculpatory attempt
Germany offered peace whilst they held all the advantages, but the Balfour Declaration had already been made, so the Brits were holding out for their end of the bargain which was American involvement in the war.
Besides the illegal embargo which lasted well after the armistice, and which ultimately forced the Germans to surrender their entire merchant fleet several months later in order to end said illegal blockade, and the nearly total abrogation of the 14 Points (of Fabrications & Snaggings), the stabs-in-the-back that seemed to irk Hitler especially were the German trade union strikes and “German” press shifts against the war effort that fortuitously occurred when Germany needed to prepare for the mass arrival of American forces.
Hello, littlebunny.
USA will fall because it has to much German element inside.
It’s actually the opposite; the U.S. and Europe are spiraling for a dearth of Germanic/Saxon blood in the general populace; for too many aliens/dual-citizens within spheres of power/influence; for too many Useful Idiots amongst the non-alien individuals within those same spheres, i.e., Charlie Kirk, Lindsey Graham, J.D. Vance, Robinette Biden, etc.
I will list some of your manipulations.
For the 100th time? By all means…
You claim, that other nations also committed crimes so German have had right also commit crimes.
That’s not what I said/wrote. I said Germany had a right to defend herself and to root-out subversives/enemies from within, and Germany has/had a right to be judged by the same standards as everyone else.
It is a fact that Lenin/Stalin and their minions, like Ilya Ehrenburg, proclaimed, publicly, that a World Revolution (and subsequent “equality”) would require terror and bloodshed, and from the rivers of blood, a New World would arise. It’s a bit like that ole’ Talmudic proverb of redemption through sin – you can’t redeem yourself unless you commit sins/atrocities and then swirl living chickens above your head until they die – or something like that. Anyway, if you don’t require forgiveness/redemption, you are useless to the Cause, and therefore, unworthy before Moloch or whomever it is running the rootless agenda.
The Germans had no such sinister ideology or methods.
Germans used slave labour but it’s not a problem – Soviets also did that.
Everyone, everywhere, has used slave labor; everyone, everywhere, has utilized internment camps. But, according to the established History and established culture, only the German implementation of these terrible institutions deserves scrutiny, judgement, mass/endless reparations, and/or a Hollywood movie, or a chapter in a middle-school textbook.
German mass murdering is equal to small ones.
There was no mass-murdering done by Germany in 1933 or afterwards.
Germans are special race.
Yes, Germanics are special. That’s why many Slavic rulers invited them into Slavic nations to spruce the place up a bit. You’re welcome…
Other Europeans are special, too, compared to the rest of humanity.
If there’s a lesson, it’s obviously the need for rescue ended with the coming of the Führer.
You, Gelding, are just spouting-off the propagandist effluence that has been poured down your maw and pressed into your mind in efforts to vilify Germany and the NSDAP and thereby prevent the world from understanding what was actually intended and what was actually accomplished by same. You understand NOTHING; you know NOTHING; you spout LIES and defend the LIARS and their FATHER.
The National Socialist Revolution was almost entirely a bloodless proceeding. When the party took over power in Germany… it did so without causing any damage whatsoever to property…
…But we did not consider it as part of the programme of the National Socialist Revolution to destroy human life or material goods, but rather to build up a new and better life… Only in those cases where the murderous lust of the Bolsheviks, even after the 30th of January 1933, led them to think that by the use of brute force they could prevent the success and realization of the National Socialist ideal – only then did we answer violence with violence…Beyond this there was a small number who took part in politics only for the purpose of establishing an alibi for their criminal activities…We prevented such individuals from pursuing their destructive careers, inasmuch as we set them to do some useful work, probably for the first time in their lives. [Adolf Hitler, 1937]
According to the NSDAP:
The aim of the National Socialist Welfare Society is the relief of persons who are physically and mentally sound, but who, in consequence of adverse general conditions, have fallen into a state of distress which threatens the health and development of both themselves and their dependents.
Any person in Germany may be given relief by the National Socialist Welfare Society, whether employed or not. Special attention is paid to persons who are employed, but whose wages scarcely suffice to support large families.
The National Socialist Welfare Society never distributes money as relief. Relief always takes the form of goods. In this way any possibility of the relief being used for other purposes or unnecessary purchases is avoided. In order to increase the possibility of choice, increasing use has been made of vouchers for food, clothing, electricity, gas and other necessities.
According to the enemies of the NSDAP:
THE TRUTH ABOUT HITLER, The Strand Magazine, November 1935 , Winston Spencer Churchill
[…] then it was that one Austrian corporal, a former house-painter, set out to regain all.
… he has succeeded in restoring Germany to the most powerful position in Europe, and not only has he restored the position of his country, but he has even, to a very large extent, reversed the results of the Great War…When Hitler began, Germany lay prostrate at the feet of the Allies. He may yet see the day when what is left of Europe will be prostrate at the feet of Germany. Whatever else may be thought about these exploits, they are certainly among the most remarkable in the whole history of the world.
David Lloyd George, former PM of the UK, The Daily Express (London), November 17, 1936, I Talked to Hitler –
I have now seen the famous German Leader and also something of the great change he has effected. Whatever one may think of his methods…there can be no doubt that he has achieved a marvellous transformation in the spirit of the people, in their attitude towards each other, and in their social and economic outlook…
One man has accomplished this miracle… A magnetic, dynamic personality with a single-minded purpose, a resolute will and a dauntless heart…He has made them safe against potential enemies by whom they were surrounded. He is also securing them against that constant dread of starvation, which is one of the poignant memories of the last years of the War and the first years of the Peace.
I found everywhere a fierce and uncompromising hostility to Russian Bolshevism, coupled with a genuine admiration for the British people with a profound desire for a better and friendlier understanding with them.
[…]
An exceptionally violent anti-German campaign of abuse printed in the Russian official Press and propelled by the official Moscow radio has revived the suspicion in Germany that the Soviet Government are contemplating mischief against the Fatherland.…The old trust him; the young idolise him. It is not the admiration accorded to a popular Leader. It is the worship of a national hero who has saved his country from utter despondency and degradation.
You’re justifying Third Reich policy with Jewish opinion?
I’m doing no such thing. The recognition of Eugenics/Dysgenics as a societal concern is nearly universal. You and your ilk discuss/deceive/exaggerate on the policies of the NSDAP whilst ignoring similar or more abusive policies of other groups.
But when did the USSR become the standard for Germany?
There’s a standard of comparison inasmuch as the Soviets are exempt from the level of criticism and deception given to Germany for the similar goal of restructuring/rehabilitating society; the harm done by the Soviets, and communism, in general, was far greater and more severe; if the term “harm” can be used to describe the general objectives/actions of the NSDAP, which it can’t, the recipients of the harms were, generally, NSDAP/German adversaries, and as far as I can tell, they mostly had it coming. The Soviets used terror and murder to affect an cause inspired by hatred, resentment, and malice. The methods and inspirations for the NSDAP were far different from that of the Soviets/Bolsheviks.
The “adversaries” of the NSDAP were also the conspirators behind and within the Soviet/Bolshevik “revolution,” which is why the Brain-Trusted Establishment obscures the truth on the Soviets/Bolsheviks and, likewise, obscures the truth on the NSDAP/Germany.
How many live next to you?
None.
Congratulations! You just filled your annual gibberish quota, and then some. Don’t worry about the world: it understands NSDAP ‘accomplishments’ all too well. You, on the other hand, seem in utter denial.
'If there’s a lesson, it’s obviously the need for rescue ended with the coming of the Führer.'
“You, Gelding, are just spouting-off the propagandist effluence that has been poured down your maw and pressed into your mind in efforts to vilify Germany and the NSDAP and thereby prevent the world from understanding what was actually intended and what was actually accomplished by same.”
Translation: when losing an argument, change the subject with False Equivalence.
'But when did the USSR become the standard for Germany?'
“There’s a standard of comparison inasmuch as the Soviets are exempt from the level of criticism and deception given to Germany for the similar goal of restructuring/rehabilitating society; the harm done by the Soviets, and communism, in general, was far greater and more severe…”
Recognizing ‘a societal concern’ is hardly the same as enacting forced sterilization or state murder of hundreds of thousands.
'You’re justifying Third Reich policy with Jewish opinion?'
“I’m doing no such thing. The recognition of Eugenics/Dysgenics as a societal concern is nearly universal.”
This thread is on the Third Reich, not other groups. Kindly identify any exaggeration of NSDAP policies.
“You and your ilk discuss/deceive/exaggerate on the policies of the NSDAP whilst ignoring similar or more abusive policies of other groups”
Thank Ludendorff - he funded and inserted Lenin into Russia in 1917.
“The Soviets used terror and murder to affect an cause inspired by hatred, resentment, and malice. The methods and inspirations for the NSDAP were far different from that of the Soviets/Bolsheviks.”
Tisk, tisk. Ad-hominem, claws showing, is a poor substitute for substantive argument. Just ask the Führer [Tischgespräche 26 Jan 1942]:
“You understand NOTHING; you know NOTHING; you spout LIES and defend the LIARS and their FATHER.”
Well, Adolf Hitler was left off the list of “antisemitic conspiracy theorists.” Why?
Because he stopped theorizing and attempted to do something about it?
He claims the problem is that Jews are being too nice to their enemies:
Ah, that’s what a few antisemitic conspirators say about Adolf Hitler. Excluding Organized Jewry from levers of power and influence; rejecting/thwarting their central banking shenanigans; encouraging/assisting emigration; punishing subversives; destroying their hedonistic literature; providing/enabling support and opportunities for the native population; and finally, sequestering the semitic population from German/European society was all an insufficient deterrent.
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“The page can’t be found.”
“It looks like nothing was found at this location.”
I don’t NEED to denigrate Russians. I don’t denigrate them, really; I just write about what they do/have done, and YOU don’t like it.
Unlike the Turks and Mongols, the Germans were an asset in Slavic territory; “superiority” also arrives by invitation:
Drang nach Osten – Since the eighteenth century, when Peter the Great had invited many German experts and advisers to modernize his empire and help him conquer the Baltic states, Russia had been inundated with Germans…to the extent that the formerly ethnic Russian ruling dynasty had become gradually Germanized: The eighteenth-century Catherine II was a German princess with no Russian blood at all.
At times, Germans completely dominated Russian politics, which does not mean, however, that they pursued a pro-German policy. Not only did united Germany not yet exist, but Russia itself at that time seemed like a large German principate, similar to Austria, which also controlled many non-Germans. Later, the German presence in Russian political life declined, but it was always rather inflated until the 1917 revolution. The Russian court, the army, the diplomatic corps, and the civil service were all highly Germanized.
German peasant colonists were also included in the eighteenth-century invitations to set up progressive agriculture or to cultivate virgin lands, and they settled in the southern Ukraine, the Volga region, and in the Caucasus. The demographic strength of the Volga Germans permitted the creation of a separate Volga German autonomous republic after the Bolshevik revolution.
You are inferior and below standard in other areas, as well. That makes you pitiable.
Inferior to you? In what way?
Spare me your pity; that, I don’t NEED. Besides, you’re lying and we both know it.
On the other hand, Russians and their Orthodox 1000 year old culture – which bulwarked Western Europe from the Mongol Golden Hordes for centuries
I have never denied the role (and great suffering) of Slavic Peoples in defending Europe from Turks and Mongols. In fact, I have lauded them for it, but that NEVER matters to any member of the Slavic brigade who spew nothing but invectives and lies/falsehoods at every German on this site. They consistently side with or excuse the Bolsheviki Soviets; those SAME Soviets who destroyed and slaughtered thousands of Orthodox churches and priests all over Eastern Europe.
Your comment, hilariously ironic, merely demonstrates that your Germany was just as brutal, inhumane, and savage as the Soviets.
In what universe did I assert a distinction without a difference between the Soviets and the Germans? Even if 6 million Jews were murdered, which they weren’t, and let’s say another million Slavs/undesirables were murdered in camps or by execution, which they weren’t, how is that congruous with the savagery of Lenin/Stalin/Bolsheviks who openly stated that terror was their preferred method of World revolution?
According to official figures there were 777,975 judicial executions for political charges from 1929 to 1953, including 681,692 in 1937–1938, the years of the Great Purge. Unofficial estimates estimate a total number of Stalinism repression deaths in 1937–38 at 700,000–1,200,000. There were also operations of mass ethnic cleansing against various minorities living in Stalin’s USSR, known as the National operations of the NKVD, with the largest one being the Polish Operation of the NKVD during which 150,000 Poles were arrested, of whom over 111,000 were exterminated. Under Stalin, the death penalty was extended to adolescents as young as 12 years old in 1935. [Excess deaths Soviet Russia under Stalin, Wiki]
On 4 February 1989, the front page of the New York Times broadcast dissident historian Roy Medvedev’s conclusion that 20 million people perished due to Stalin’s labor camps, executions, forced collectivization, and famine. “Mr. Medvedev’s estimates are generally in line with Western calculations,” Moscow bureau chief Bill Keller observed…The following year Robert Conquest, a proponent of the 20 million figure for over two decades, published a “reassessment” of his analysis that retained the figure, telling friends the volume should be titled, “I Told You So, You Fools.” [The Journal of Slavic Military Studies]
The deaths of 5.7 to perhaps 7.0 million people in the Soviet famine of 1932–1933 and Soviet collectivization of agriculture are included among the victims of repression during the period of Stalin by some historians…
Large numbers of kulaks regardless of their nationality were resettled to Siberia and Central Asia. According to data from Soviet archives, which were published in 1990, 1,803,392 people were sent to labor colonies and camps in 1930 and 1931, and 1,317,022…Data from the Soviet archives indicates 2.4 million kulaks were deported from 1930 to 1934… Popular history author Simon Sebag Montefiore estimated that 15 million kulaks and their families were deported by 1937; during the deportation, many people died…[Excess deaths, Wiki]
But the Soviets were largely motivated by political ideology. German narcissism seems to be genetically hardwired.
Oh. Well, then…tell me why the Haitians do what they do; let’s really get a slew of stupid and asinine excuses for fiendish savagery going here…
The Germans were motivated by self-preservation for Germany and Europe –
It must never be forgotten that the present rulers of Russia are blood-stained criminals, that here we have the dregs of humanity which, favoured by the circumstances of a tragic moment, overran a great State, degraded and extirpated millions of educated people out of sheer blood-lust, and that now for nearly ten years they have ruled with such a savage tyranny as was never known before. It must not be forgotten that these rulers belong to a people in whom the most bestial cruelty is allied with a capacity for artful mendacity and believes itself to-day more than ever called to impose its sanguinary despotism on the rest of the world. It must not be forgotten that the international Jew, who is to-day the absolute master of Russia, does not look upon Germany as an ally but as a State condemned to the same doom as Russia…
The menace to which Russia once succumbed is hanging steadily over Germany. Only a bourgeois simpleton could imagine that Bolshevism can be tamed. [Adolf Hitler]
A letter, dated 4 October 1945, typed and signed by Second World War hero General S. Patton and addressed to former aide Lt. Col. Charles R. Codman, refers to the people of the Soviet Union as “the degenerate descendants of Genghis Khan” and says the envy, hatred, malice, and uncharitableness in Europe “passes beyond belief.”
“It is indeed unfortunate, mon General, that the English and the Americans have destroyed in Europe the only sound country — and I do not mean France. Therefore, the road is now open for the advent of Russian communism.” – George S. Patton
“Actually, the Germans are the only decent people left in Europe. It’s a choice between them and the Russians. I prefer the Germans….What we are doing is to destroy the only semi-modern state in Europe, so that Russia can swallow the whole.” – George S. Patton
New World slavery…. Of course, this is Material Determinism, Balance Sheet, and Efficiency drivers of actions from German. The German Collective Consciousness lacks adequate Individuation development and the proper acknowledgment of the Shadow of the Psyche [Jung].
More incoherent babble brought to us by whom, exactly? How much is swiped from Jung and how much sploshes from that whiskey-soaked noggin of yours?
You are the UNZ version of Michael Eric Dyson. Truly.
At the beginning of 1916, Jung experienced a striking series of parapsychological events in his house…
In Memories, Jung recounted what followed:
Around five o’clock in the afternoon on Sunday the front doorbell began ringing frantically… Everyone immediately looked to see who was there, but there was no one in sight. I was sitting near the doorbell, and not heard it but saw it moving. We all simply stared at one another. The atmosphere was thick, believe me!… The whole house was as if there was a crowd present, crammed full of spirits.They were packed deep right up to the door and the air was so thick it was scarcely possible to breathe. As for myself, I was all aquiver with the question: “For God’s sake, what in the world is this?” Then they cried out in chorus, “We have come back from Jerusalem where we found not what we sought.”
That is the beginning of the Septem Sermones.
Then it began to flow out of me, and in the course of three evenings the thing was written. As soon as I took up the pen, the whole ghastly assemblage evaporated. The room quieted and the atmosphere cleared. The haunting was over!
The dead had appeared in a fantasy on January 17, 1914, and had said that they were about to go to Jerusalem to pray at the holiest graves!
…It is a psychological cosmology cast in the form of a gnostic creation myth. In Jung’s fantasies, a new God had been born in his soul, the God who is the son of the frogs, Abraxas. Jung understood this symbolically. He saw this figure as representing the uniting of the Christian God with Satan…[THE RED BOOK, LIBER NOVUS, CG Jung ]
The SON OF THE FROGS!? Meine Kröte! Well, well….like I always say, I’m not always right, but I’m never wrong.
In sleep he sang to me
In dreams he came
That voice which calls to me
And speaks my name
And do I dream again?
For now I find
My sad and lonely Frog Prince is
Again wasted and out of his mind
Adolf Hitler's National Socialist State: your friend and guide.
“One way or another, it’s WOMEN who are raising the kids, so who is better equipped to do it?”
Ironic, isn’t it.
No, not really. You are attempting to saddle NS Germany with a notion or a “crime(s) against Humanity” that has been present within human society since civilization began –
The original form of eugenics was most famously expounded by Plato, who believed human reproduction should be monitored and controlled by the state. However, Plato understood this form of government control would not be readily accepted, and proposed the truth be concealed from the public via a fixed lottery. Mates, in Plato’s Republic, would be chosen by a “marriage number” in which the quality of the individual would be quantitatively analyzed, and persons of high numbers would be allowed to procreate with other persons of high numbers. In theory, this would lead to predictable results and the improvement of the human race.
Japan – In the early part of the Shōwa era, Japanese governments executed a eugenics policy to limit the birth of children with “inferior” traits, as well as aiming to protect the life and health of mothers.
The Leprosy Prevention laws of 1907, 1931 and 1953, the last one only repealed in 1996, permitted the segregation of patients in sanitariums where forced abortions and sterilization were common.
Singapore practiced a limited form of eugenics that involved discouraging marriage between university graduates and nongraduates through segregation in matchmaking agencies, in the hope that the former would produce better children.
Sweden – [Eugenics]…law was passed while the Swedish Social Democratic Party was in power, though it was also supported by all other political parties in the Riksdag at the time, as well as the Lutheran Church and much of the medical profession. From about 1934 to 1975, Sweden sterilized more than 62,000 people.
Russia – In Russia, one supporter of preventive eugenics is the president of the Independent Psychiatric Association of Russia Yuri Savenko, who justifies forced sterilization of women, which is practiced in Moscow psychoneurological nursing homes. He states that “one needs a more strictly adjusted and open control for the practice of preventive eugenics, which, in itself, is, in its turn, justifiable.” In 1993, the health minister of the Russian Federation issued the order that determined the procedure of forced abortion and sterilization of disabled women and the need for court decision to perform them…
Rabbi Sidney Goldstein, Free Synagogue Pulpit, 1912:
“We know from studies, the soundness and reliability of which are indisputable, that out of these defective groups and their offspring are recruited the greatest number of those unhappy creatures who fill our reformatories and prisons and asylums and our homes for the wayward and the vagrant…
…It is possible to prevent those who are defective from bringing forth abundantly and peopling the earth after their own kind…The birth-rate of the feeble-minded, the epileptic, many of the insane, and the criminal whose criminality is due to some deep-seated defect, should be controlled and cut off.”
Rabbi Max Reichler, Jewish Eugenics, 1915:
“The very founder of the Jewish race, the patriarch Abraham, recognized the importance of certain inherited qualities, and insisted that the wife of his “only beloved son” should not come from “the daughters of the Canaanites,” but from the seed of a superior stock…
…This contention is eugenically correct…. Just as there is a home of the brigands, so there may be a “home of the pure bloods.”
…Abraham’s servant, Eliezer, so the Midrash states, desired to offer his own daughter to Isaac, but his master sternly rebuked him, saying: “Thou art cursed, and my son is blessed, and it does not behoove the cursed to mate with the blessed, and thus deteriorate the quality of the race.”
Yes, let’s pretend that the Soviets had no program for the Arbeitsscheu in Soviet society.
Millions of BlackMagic Welfare Queens in America today, currently suffering tremendously without government assistance cuz they babies need chips and soda!, most likely agree with you, Gelding, and like you, Gelding, they spout-off the perpetual grievance platitudes and utter/obvious anti-Europa/Saxon diversity and historical BS that’s been hammered into their teeny-tiny brains for decades by the TinyHatPeople and the myriad Saxon/White Minions of the TinyHatPeople, like that pie-eating buffoon, Hagee, who serves his ethnic society not, and it’s actually too bad he wasn’t tossed out with the bathwater.
Not at all: the irony is that Hitler enacted a law under which he would have been prosecuted as a drop-out, listless drifter in Vienna. Like other ‘asocials’ (social refuse), he’d have been sterilized and put to hard labor, murdered if incorrigible. Tough love.
'Ironic, isn’t it.'
“No, not really. You are attempting to saddle NS Germany with a notion or a “crime(s) against Humanity” that has been present within human society since civilization began”
LOL. You’re justifying Third Reich policy with Jewish opinion? The ‘Tilt’ alarm just went off in the cosmic pinball machine.
“Rabbi Sidney Goldstein… Rabbi Max Reichler”
It’d be surprising if they didn’t, with all those gulags to keep spick-and-span. But when did the USSR become the standard for Germany?
“Yes, let’s pretend that the Soviets had no program for the Arbeitsscheu in Soviet society.”
How many live next to you?
“Millions of BlackMagic Welfare Queens in America today…”
Except there’s no Kirche in what Hitler said in 1934: “For her world is her husband, her family, her children, and her home.” A small world comprising ‘Husband, Family, Children, Home’. And remember “We do not consider it correct for the woman to interfere in the world of the man, in his main sphere”. Seems pretty clear.
“It is an absolute lie to suggest that women, generally, were oppressed and forbidden in NS Germany any sort of public/societal role beyond Kinder, Küche, Kirche.”
Moon-eyed Hanna should have been awarded the Grand Cross of Knights Cross for carrying an enormous torch for the Führer.
“Hitler awards Hanna Reitsch the Iron Cross 2nd Class in March 1941.”
Well ‘small world’ was the Führer’s description. Are you disagreeing? Careful – it could mean eight months of ‘re-education’.
“A small world? Not from the perspective of a woman who suffers to bring children into the world yet refuses to hand them over to some other woman for child care.”
Reichsjungenführer Balder von Schirach and Reichsführerin Gertrud Scholtz-Klink of course. There was no home-schooling nonsense in the Third Reich. Attendance in State schools was mandatory, as was State youth organization membership and Labor Service. After all, parents couldn’t be trusted to impart the proper ideology or enthusiasm. Mind the song:“We are the happy Hitler Youth. We need no Christian virtues for our Führer Adolf Hitler is always our guide…We do not follow Christ but Horst Wessel…I can do without the Church, the Swastika is redemption on earth”
“One way or another, it’s WOMEN who are raising the kids, so who is better equipped to do it?"
Not under National Socialism: the ‘individual’ didn’t exist. Just ask the Göbbels children.
“What is the child’s preference? Does that even matter?”
Women’s careers and suffrage are the product of Jewish females? Are you sure?
“The relegation of home/family to the realm of oppression and disdain is clearly the perspective of Jewish women…”
Not at all. Thank goodness he didn’t turn down the chauffeured Mercedes and tens of thousands of Reichsmarks. After all, ‘escort’ Vivian Ward (Julia Roberts) came from humble origins, and ‘Pretty Woman’ wouldn’t be a Cinderella story without cash and prizes. Same for Cinderella Hitler.
“[Bechstein (age 48) and Elsa Bruckmann (59)] gave him [Hitler (35)] clothes, money, etiquette lessons and entry to high social circles”
“Are you maligning Adolf Hitler for his once humble station in life?”
There was no shortage of them in 1918. Nor highly decorated Confederates in 1865.
“He was a highly decorated soldier, yes?”
He fled his nation - Austria-Hungary - to avoid the draft.Well, OK, he was a brave runner for the Germans, even if front-line troops called his ilk ‘rear area pigs’. Four years and one promotion to gefreiter (PFC) doesn’t show much leadership. To say nothing of becoming a ‘war hysteric’ in Pasewalk psychiatric hospital, site of his great political epiphany.Then he served by spying on his peers, ratting-out Reds, brawling and assaulting rival conservative politicians like Otto Ballerstedt (Otto, long retired, was murdered to settle scores 30 Jun 1934). Al Capone’s motto fits: “You can get much farther with a kind word and a gun than you can with just a kind word.”Service? Hitler served himself before all else. He made 7,800,000 RM [$41.1 million] from ‘Mein Kampf’ (bought and distributed by the state), an unknown amount in image royalties (postage stamps, currency, portraits) and still more in speaking fees. He had unrestricted access to a 700 million Reichsmark [$3.966 billion] slush-fund. His plundered art collection was valued at 70,000,000 RM [$369 million]. Thus burdened, he exempted himself from taxes while the Reich took 65% of incomes over 2,400 RM. The guy who launched war decided he shouldn’t pay for it. Service indeed.
“Was his willingness to serve his nation and his exceptional valor meaningless and nothing more than fodder for his “Betters?”
Indeed. Tilman was an accomplished professional athlete who graduated college with a 3.85 GPA and died age 27. So there’s no record of him as a 35-year-old unemployed ex-army spy and two-time felon befriended by aging society matrons who showered him with gifts.Hitler, on the other hand, abjured school, sports and employment. August Kubizek describes days spent reading, doodling or attending operas. A drop-out who swanned about on survivor benefits until his majority (1910). He then took residence in Meldemannstraße men’s hostel and began giving lectures to fellow vagrants.There’s no record of the wit and wisdom imparted by the 21-year-old; sadly his lectures have vanished like lost pearls. Perhaps he touched on women’s domesticity and their need for a stable ‘small world’.To be fair, he wasn’t totally indolent. Secretary Christa Schroeder: “I was surprised that he [Hitler] could stand for hours at a stretch with his arm extended. During a tea hour he revealed that he had ’done daily training with an expander’, but that ‘a strong will’ was also needed.”Brutal punishment, being saluted for hours. Had he won the war, perhaps raised-arm saluting would be an Olympic event: 1-2-3 hours and a 26-hour marathon?Replies: @Avery, @Tiptoethrutulips
“Let’s ask Pat Tillman...”
Except there’s no Kirche in what Hitler said…Seems pretty clear.
What’s clear? That Kirche wasn’t really a top priority considering the Jewish-Jesus/Chosen People! mumbo-jumbo rife within modern Christianity, yet Hitler understood religious authority was important to so many in a well-functioning and cohesive society?
Let’s ask Christian pastor, John Hagee, who recently said at an event for Christians United for Israel –
“They [Jews/Israel] are a chosen people…they are the apple of God’s eye… the unchallengeable fact of the Bible is that Israel and the Jewish people are unique…[God has chosen Jews/Israel as] a special treasure above all the people on the face of the earth, that includes the United States of America.”
Seems pretty clear why emphasis on Kirche had dwindled within the NSDAP, particularly as Samuel Untermyer had made practically the very same assertion in 1933 shortly after Judea declared “holy” war on Germany. Jews use Christianity to keep Christians submissive to Jewish authority/influence and to permit/enable Jews to behave themselves as they see fit by God’s authority and designation as chosen over the rest of us.
Well ‘small world’ was the Führer’s description. Are you disagreeing?
Yes, somewhat, but mainly due to the spin you put on it.
What part of – there can be no thriving/safe/wholesome small world without a properly functioning big world, free from chaos and spiteful malevolence towards “unchosen” or “common” humanity – are you unable to grasp?
Are you actually going to argue with me over the absolute predominance of women in all child care industries, private and public? That includes grade school, btw, and I never said children should not be sent to school. Women are the natural caretakers of children, as indicated by our possession of a womb and lactating breasts; childcare extends beyond infancy. Nature has given this particular station to all females; it was not a curse cast upon us by men or Adolf Hitler.
Not under National Socialism: the ‘individual’ didn’t exist
Now you’re just spewing lies. There is a place and necessity for duty and obligation within families and societies that should supersede absolute individual freedoms.
Women’s careers and suffrage are the product of Jewish females? Are you sure?
First wave feminism was very different from subsequent movements. But, let’s ask Jewish women about their role in feminism’s malevolent turn –
The Shalvi/Hyman Encyclopedia of Jewish Women
Feminism in the United States
Jewish women played a significant role in all aspects of the American feminist movement, advocating for…birth control and reproductive rights…the Equal Rights Amendment, and gender equality. In the early and mid-1960s, Jewish women…helped to launch second-wave feminism. Many younger Jewish women pioneered radical feminism later in the decade. In some women’s liberation collectives, as many as two-thirds to three-quarters of members were Jewish.
American feminists did not always acknowledge Jewish women’s issues and contributions. At times, women’s rights proponents espoused antisemitic, anti-immigrant, or anti-Zionist views.
Notwithstanding sometimes fraught issues, Jewish women have been among the most passionate crusaders for feminist goals.
Indeed. Tilman was an accomplished professional athlete… died age 27.
You obviously, and not surprisingly, missed the inference to human fodder for the machinations of our “Betters.” I remember once generally believing the myriad insults made against the average/common draft-dodgers in various writings on Vietnam until I heard the testimony of a veteran who explained that he eventually came to realize that official/tactical decisions were made and lies were told, often to the detriment and/or death of American soldiers, in efforts to prolong and expand the war in Vietnam. Ultimately, we didn’t actually “win,” did we?
So, Tillman “died” young –
The circumstances surrounding Pat Tillman’s death… The US Army initially claimed he was killed during a firefight with enemy combatants. …subsequent investigations uncovered…friendly fire.
According to a study of the autopsy report, conducted over two years after Tillman’s death… he’d been shot three times in the head…[Warhistoryonline][It was] reported that members of Tillman’s unit burned his body armor and uniform…His notebook [in which it’s alleged] Tillman had recorded… thoughts on Afghanistan, was also burned; “a blatant violation of protocol.”
Tillman’s diary was never returned to his family…
…in response to a [FOIA] request filed by the Associated Press, the Defense Department released… documents which were reported to indicate:
There has never been evidence of enemy fire found on the scene, and no members of Tillman’s group had been hit by enemy fire…
Army doctors told the investigators that Tillman’s wounds suggested murder because “the medical evidence did not match-up with the scenario as described.” [Wiki]…Patrick Tillman – killed by three shots to the forehead fired at close range and in good visibility…
[During the course of enlistment, Tillman]…quickly realised that the invasion of Iraq was a criminal act based on lies. “This war is so fucking illegal!” he told a friend… Tillman became an increasingly vocal critic of it, and had arranged to meet with anti-war intellectual Noam Chomsky after his tour of Afghanistan in 2004. [The Guardian]
Tillman referred to the war in Afghanistan as “fake,”…
He began writing letters, e-mails and diary entries condemning the actions of the government…
Radical writer Noam Chomsky has confirmed that Tillman contacted him. They had arranged to meet when Tillman returned from Afghanistan. [Liberation News]AI Overview:
Noam Chomsky agreed to meet with Pat Tillman when Tillman returned from his military tour in Afghanistan. The planned meeting was publicly confirmed by Chomsky after Tillman’s death.
So, I guess Tillman also experienced a Stab In The Back, post 911, that, by similar experience, opened the eyes of Adolf Hitler, post WW1, to the ongoing designation of Europa as human fodder for the goals and retribution of our Wandering Cosmopolitan Overlords, whomever they were/are.
Had he won the war, perhaps raised-arm saluting would be an Olympic event: 1-2-3 hours and a 26-hour marathon?
Perhaps, and that’s certainly preferable to living in America/Europe am Limpopo.
Look around, for God’s sake – sometimes I sit here thunderstruck…
The Church wasn’t mentioned because Hitler meant to finish it off, but couldn’t go public. Especially with a war on. Religion was to be reduced to subservience until extinct, replaced by crackpot NS racial ideology ala Hitler and Rosenberg.
‘Except there’s no Kirche in what Hitler said…Seems pretty clear.’
“What’s clear? That Kirche wasn’t really a top priority considering the Jewish-Jesus/Chosen People! mumbo-jumbo rife within modern Christianity…”
Absolute nonsense. Hitler was jealous of any and all authority outside the Party and State. In other words, anything he couldn’t control. Roman Catholicism, with a Pope in Rome, was a constant thorn in his side.
“Hitler understood religious authority was important to so many in a well-functioning and cohesive society”
Göbbels didn’t lie. The individual’s only significance was as a part of the whole, a dependable cog in the machine. Duty was owed the State (das Volk), not parents, faith or family. Those unwilling to go along were reported and ‘re-educated’ in punishment camps.
‘Not under National Socialism: the ‘individual’ didn’t exist’
“Now you’re just spewing lies. There is a place and necessity for duty and obligation within families and societies that should supersede absolute individual freedoms.”
Please, let’s not. Hagee’s religion is shaking the ‘Shills for Israel’ money tree.
“Let’s ask Christian pastor, John Hagee, who recently said at an event for Christians United for Israel…”
Not really. Sounds like a Lewis Carroll oxymoronic fantasy: ‘Tulips in Wonderland’.
“What part of – there can be no thriving/safe/wholesome small world without a properly functioning big world, free from chaos and spiteful malevolence towards “unchosen” or “common” humanity – are you unable to grasp?”
You compared Hitler, a jobless, pampered Munich salon curiosity in 1924, with Tilman. Now you’re shifting the goalpost with some Tilman conspiracy. Interesting, but nothing to do with Hitler. As for conspiracies, why wasn’t Hitler deported to Austria after his first and/or second felony?
“You obviously, and not surprisingly, missed the inference to human fodder for the machinations of our “Betters”.”
Colonel Max Bauer (Ludendorff’s politics/economic management advisor) started the ball rolling in spring 1919 with his publication of ‘Could We Have Avoided, Won, or Broken Off the War’, a pamphlet that concluded “It [WW1] was lost only and exclusively through the failure of the homeland. Especially the revolution sealed Germany’s fate in the most difficult moment.”
“Tillman also experienced a Stab In The Back, post 911, that, by similar experience, opened the eyes of Adolf Hitler, post WW1..”
THE NOBLE TEUTON ARYAN!! MANKIND'S HOPE OF THE HIGHEST IDEALSReplies: @Rich, @Tiptoethrutulips
Forced labour under German rule during World War IIThe use of slave and forced labour in Nazi Germany (German: Zwangsarbeit) and throughout German-occupied Europe during World War II took place on an unprecedented scale.[2] It was a vital part of the German economic exploitation of conquered territories. It also contributed to the mass extermination of populations in occupied Europe. The Germans abducted approximately 12 million people from almost twenty European countries; about two thirds came from Central Europe and Eastern Europe.[1]
At the peak of the program, the forced labourers constituted 20% of the German work force. Counting deaths and turnover, about 15 million men and women were forced labourers at one point during the war.[4] Besides Jews, the harshest deportation and forced labor policies were applied to the populations of Belarus, Ukraine, and Russia. By the end of the war, half of Belarus's population had been either killed or deportedHitler's policy of Lebensraum ('room for living') strongly emphasized conquest of lands in the East, known as Generalplan Ost, and the exploitation of these lands to provide cheap goods and labour for Germany. Even before the war, Nazi Germany maintained a supply of slave labour. This practice started in the early days of labour camps for "unreliable elements" (German: unzuverlässige Elemente), such as homosexuals, criminals, political dissidents, communists, Jews, the homeless and anyone the regime wanted out of the way. During World War II the Nazis operated several categories of Arbeitslager (labour camps) for different categories of inmates. Prisoners in Nazi labour camps were worked to death on short rations in lethal conditions, or killed if they became unable to work. Many died as a direct result of forced labour under the Nazis.[1]
About 12 million forced labourers, most of whom were Eastern Europeans, were employed in the German war economy inside Nazi Germany during the war.[13] The German need for slave labour grew to the point that even children were kidnapped as labor, in an operation called the Heu-Aktion.More than 2,000 German companies profited from slave labour during the Nazi era, including Deutsche Bank and Siemens.[14]
>>>>Hey, Hans Vogel, My Little Fluffy, Flighty Bird, what would the West be like if Churn - a - Many had won the war?. Sprechen Sie!<<<< It is estimated that at least 34,140 Eastern European women apprehended in Łapankas (military kidnapping raids) were forced to serve them as sex slaves in German military brothels and camp brothels during the Third Reich.[23][24] In Warsaw alone, five such establishments were set up under military guard in September 1942, with over 20 rooms each. Alcohol was not allowed, unlike on the Western front, and the victims underwent genital checkups once a week.[25]Extermination through labour was a Nazi German principle that regulated most of their labour and concentration camps.[32][33] The rule demanded that inmates of German World War II camps be forced to work for the German war industry with only basic tools and minimal food rations until totally exhausted.[32][34]
TALES OF THE VIRTUOUS AND NOBLE “ARYAN”…wikipedia.org/wiki/Forced_labour_under_German_rule_during_World_War…. I use Wikipedia judicially and cautiously…This article is referenced with footnotes for the majority of its statements and assertions. They are voluminous and multi-faceted.
Ha!
I find it a bit funny that you are clearly triggered by the term Aryan. That seems true for the Jews and negroes, as well….resentful & envious birds of a feather…
Go ahead and find the source material for footnote #1 – John C. Beyer; Stephen A. Schneider. Forced Labour under Third Reich. Nathan Associates. – here’s what Wayback returns:
“The page can’t be found.”
“It looks like nothing was found at this location.”
So, on to the claim made via citation #2 – The use of slave and forced labour in Nazi Germany (German: Zwangsarbeit) and throughout German-occupied Europe during World War II took place on an unprecedented scale.
Unprecedented? Oh, wirklich?
Let’s check the Wikipedia page for Forced labor in the Soviet Union –
Obligatory labour of the early Soviet Russia
Forced labour was used extensively in the Soviet Union and the following categories may be distinguished…The Soviet Gulag system
In July 1918, the Russian Constitution implemented the Obligatory Labour Service to help support the Russian economy, which became effective immediately.While the early years of the Gulag were brutal and violent, conditions later stabilized…
A 1993 study of the Soviet archives revealed that between 14 and 18 million people were imprisoned in the Gulag labor camps from 1929 to 1953. 10 to 11 million people were also either deported or were already in the penal system at the time. There are no accurate or official archive records before 1929…
It is estimated that 1.6 million people died in the Gulags, around 800,000 at the hands of the Soviet secret police, and another million during the exile process after they had been released from the Gulag.
… the truthful intent was to put prisoners to labor in order to achieve the goals of the Five Year Plan, as well as to provide labor for State-run projects such as the Moscow-Volga canal…many of the prisoners were subjects of political persecution.
Forced labour was instrumental for the Soviet Union, and during the time of industrialisation it was deemed a necessary tool by the Bolsheviks…
[…] in the early 1930s…1.8 million workers were sentenced to 6 months in forced labor with a quarter of their original pay, 3.3 million faced sanctions, and 60k were imprisoned for absentees in 1940 alone. The conditions of Soviet workers worsened in WW2 as 1.3 million were punished in 1942, and 1 million each were punished in subsequent 1943 and 1944 with the reduction of 25% of food rations. Furthermore, 460 thousand were imprisoned throughout these years.
Post-Gulag
After the dismantling of Gulag, forced labor still continued to be a form of punishment in the form of corrective labor camps and corrective labor colony. In 1987, the CIA estimated that 4.5 million Soviet citizens were engaged in forced labor…Foreign forced labour
In July 1937…Stalin ordered the removal of Germans from Soviet soil…An order by the NKVD also stated that German workers were agents of the Gestapo… Of the 68,000 arrests and 42,000 deaths that resulted, only a third were actually German; the remainder were of other nationalities.Just a month later, the liquidation of Poles was also approved by the Politburo. In 1938, 11,000 people were arrested in Mongolia…Many other nationalities were swept up in similar operations, including but not exclusive to: Latvians, Estonians, Romanians, Greeks, Afghans, and Iranians. Those that were arrested were either shot or placed in the forced labour system. Americans that had come to the Soviet Union seeking work during the Great Depression found themselves pleading the American embassy for passports so that they could return to their home country. The embassy refused to issue new passports and the emigrants were arrested and sent to prison, Gulag camps, or executed.
The UPV camp system, separate from the Gulag, was established in 1939 to utilize POWs and foreign civilians for labor. It eventually included several hundred camps and thousands of auxiliary camps which held millions of foreign prisoners during their years of operation…
The Soviet Union did not sign the Geneva Conventions and so were not obligated to adhere to its stipulations concerning prisoners of war. The Soviet Union retained POWs after other countries had released their prisoners, only beginning to do so after Stalin’s death in 1953.
Forced labour in the Soviet Union has been identified as one of the largest democides in history.
Well, who knew, LimPooPooBear? Certainly not you, with all your judicious and cautious bloviating on the Eminence of the Russian Man and his Superior Slavic/Mongolian Soul! I certainly think Genghis and Tamerlane would be proud, though.
Good grief, meine Kröte, it’s like shootin’ beets in a barrel of Borscht!
Let me tell you something – you’re NOT going to win this silly tit-for-tat with me, partially because I’m always sober; I’m too smart for you; I’m too learned for you; I am a German; I refuse to permit you to prevail, although you couldn’t possibly, mostly because Adolf Hitler was right.
Click on the Link "Archived", Miss Low Resolution.Replies: @Tiptoethrutulips
“The page can’t be found.”
“It looks like nothing was found at this location.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqKQeAYRGJw
The Psychological Roots of Fascism: Jung’s Analysis of Hitler and His Followers
In February 1942, Omnibook Magazine published an article titled “Is Tomorrow Hitler’s?” recounting a 1938 conversation with Carl Gustav Jung in Zurich. In the discussion, Jung offered profound insights into Adolf Hitler’s personality and his relationship with the German nation. His observations provide a psychological framework for understanding fascism’s appeal and destructiveness.
Jung categorized leaders in what he called “primitive societies” into two archetypes: the brute force of the strongest bully or the visionary seer, akin to a prophet. He considered Hitler to belong to the latter category. Observing Hitler in Czechoslovak cities, Jung described his demeanor as that of a dreamy visionary, reflected in the distant, entranced gaze on his face.
The phenomenon that nearly all Germans would fall prostrate before Hitler, exhibiting near-religious adoration, while foreigners saw only an unremarkable, uneducated Austrian corporal, struck Jung as deeply symbolic. To him, Hitler was the embodiment of the unconscious identity of his supporters. Jung famously remarked, “Hitler is the mirror of every German’s unconscious.”
He elaborated further:
“He is the loudspeaker which magnifies the whisper of the German soul until they can be heard by the German conscious ear. He is the first man to tell every German what he has been thinking and feeling all along in his unconscious about German fate, especially since the defeat in the World War, and the one characteristic which colors every German soul is the typically German inferiority complex, the complex of the younger brother, of the one who is always a bit late to the feast. Hitler’s power is not politica; it is magic.”
Jung also pointed out the psychotic elements of Hitler’s personality, noting, “He himself has referred to his Voice. His Voice is nothing other than his own unconscious, into which the German people have projected their own selves, that is, the unconscious of seventy-eight million Germans. This is what makes him powerful.”
Fascism as an Ideology of Projection
Jung argued that fascism thrives on collective identification. The leader becomes a totem—a simplistic caricature of personality into which followers project their unconscious desires and fears. Hitler, described by Jung as a “personality model made of boards and canvas,” embodied this totemic role. His followers, consumed by their own inferiority and repressed anger, were drawn to him not for who he was, but for what he represented: a reflection of their darkest selves.
This phenomenon, Jung observed, was not confined to ideological abstraction but manifested in concrete behaviors. He recounted an encounter with a young German Nazi volunteer fighting for Franco in Spain. This soldier described how his “education” elevated him above the Spanish and Moorish population in their occupied territories:
“When we conquer a town, the ignorant Spaniards and Moors smash and loot houses and offices, looking for money and jewelry. But I, with my academic knowledge, head straight to the cinema projection room and remove the lenses. Each lens is worth 10,000–15,000 pesetas. Education, you see, is the key to superior looting.”
The Mechanics of Destruction
Jung highlighted two destructive traits within Nazism:
Projection of Evil: The unconscious projection of Germans’ own fears and inferiority onto the figure of Hitler, making him a vessel for their collective darkness.
Narcissistic Delusion of Superiority: The illusion of education and moral justification for plunder, cloaked in a veneer of intellectual sophistication.
Jung described this combination as uniquely catastrophic, turning the Nazi movement into the most destructive force in Europe at the time. The mindless adoration of Hitler, expressed in frenzied rallies, and the embrace of organized atrocities like the Holocaust, stemmed from this collective psychological dynamic.
[The Mountain of Human Skulls produced by Nazis, irrespective of ethnicity.]
The Collective Problem of Evil
For Jung, the problem of fascism was not the leader himself but the collective unconscious of his followers. A leader like Hitler becomes dangerous only when he is willing to surrender to the “call of evil.” As Jung noted, true leaders are always guided by something beyond themselves—Hitler was guided by a “Voice” that led him, and those who followed, into a moral abyss.
Jung’s analysis reminds us that fascism is not just a political ideology but a psychological phenomenon rooted in the collective unconscious. The dynamic between a leader and his followers reveals the destructive potential of unexamined fears, resentments, and desires. By understanding these forces, societies can better guard against the allure of demagoguery and the dark pull of collective projection.
the inferiority felt by German Consciousness
Speak for yourself, meine griechische Kröte…
And, why do you persist in clogging threads with absurd twaddle on and from bat-shit-crazy Carl Jung? He was a psychiatrist, for God’s sake, who was mentored by “plaque-bringer,” Sigi Freud. Jung would have done better by explaining how his bat-shit-crazy mother was able to creep around the family home at night with her temporarily severed head bobbing in the air like an aerial lure.
Do you really think you can offend me by comparing German/Western culture to that of Jewry and negroes? Your incessant drifting from observable reality is a concern, PooBear. How did you manage to navigate the globe? Give thanks to the English/Celtic GPS Guru Trifecta of Parkinson-Getting-Easton. What, no Khan in the bunch? Shocking…
saved humanity from the mongol Slavs, Inferior People,
Go ahead and list the beneficial contributions to humanity/society made by Mongols and/or Mongolian Slavs. And, speaking of Mongolian Slavs, let’s start with the benevolence and societal accomplishments of Vladimir Lenin…
I’ll counter with a list of Germanic accomplishments, however it will likely take me weeks to compile whereas your assignment can be completed in under an hour.
unwholesome, unclean, and putrid
Did you happen to read what Patton observed on the personal habits of certain war refugees in 1945?
Have you ever been to Africa? Or, Baltimore? Detroit…? Did you watch the video post on #933? It’s Paris am Limpoopoo.
Nowhere else did the Jew find such fertile soil to prosper, increase influence, protect suzerainty than the German States.
They certainly know how to select a proper Golden Goose, don’t they?
But, enough of this nonsense already – let’s address the most (and perhaps only) interesting thing you’ve written on UNZ:
I also spent time in a Central European prison with plenty of Germans
Do tell.
Solicitation?
Drunken aground running?
I suppose it should be Fritzin?
N’est-ce pas, Fritz.
I suppose it should be Fritzin?
The female form of Fritz is Fritzie, which is a diminutive of the German name Frederica and means “peaceful ruler”. So they say. Recall if you will The Ballad of Pancho and Fritzie.
Remember: the Paris vid you posted above is because your (Germans’) Anglo-Saxon kin— Anglo-Americans — “liberated” Western Europe.
This is, unfortunately, true, and I deny it not. Still, the impetus for both suicidal opposition to NS Germany and the subsequent and horrific changes to immigration policies throughout the West came from non-Anglo-Saxon members imbedded within the pillars of our societies. No one claims that the anti-Europa/anti-German faction was not assisted by useful idiots and/or charitable/gullible groups of Anglo-Saxons within Anglo-Saxon nations.
So, ultimately, the notion of – it takes a Saxon to defeat the Saxon – is true? Russia could not/would not have prevailed without the assistance of Western/Saxon/Germanic technologies and sundries. And, without the money earned/squelched from within free and open Anglo-Saxon nations. We should consider/remember that.
Eastern Europe, “subjugated” by Stalin and ruled by Communists for 70 years is free of that today.
Yes, that’s also mostly true, but frankly, Eastern European nations were closed societies with authoritarian policies/leaders, and no one was willing to move or risk life and limb to (enter) live in communist nations, which did not have decent living standards or basic freedoms for the average citizen. Neither were Eastern European nations ruled by bleeding-heart “Democratic” Leaders, afflicted with pathological altruism instigated by the HealTheWorld sect of the capitalist side of the Bolshevik Coin. Didn’t Larry Ellison say it best? His new technology will force us all to be on our best behavior…yes, his interest is in and for our own good.
Having said that, is it true that immigration has become an issue in many Eastern European nations since the fall of communism? Who keeps bashing Hungary for refusing to let the tempest-tossed-refuse in already!?
Who is the “subjugated” now?
I am. Although, I’m in America, so it’s not yet complete. If you are an ethnic European, and if you’re in California, so, too, are you, and more so than me, at this point.
Do you really think our new overlords will bring about something better than what the Saxons/Europa achieved?
Ok, Noodle, here are few inquiries/observations for you, yourself, and they (W/CW/JJ) –
Maximilian Maria Kolbe was a part-German, part-Pole, in Poland, who despite having early onset TB, still managed to travel extensively within East and South Asia (India) as a Catholic missionary. So, maybe he brought his weakened state somewhat upon himself? Prior to his humanitarian efforts, his German father had fought against the Bolsheviks/Soviets, and he was captured and then hanged by same.
Like Hitler, Kolbe was opposed to the Freemasons, and apparently, at one time, he was suspicious of Organized Jewry:
While in Rome, Kolbe witnessed vehement demonstrations by Freemasons against Pope Pius X and later Pope Benedict XV.
In 1926, in the first issue of the monthly Knight of the Immaculate, Kolbe said he considered Freemasons “as an organized clique of fanatical Jews, who want to destroy the church.” In a 1924 column, he cited the Protocols of the Elders of Zion as an “important proof” that “the founders of Zionism intended, in fact, the subjugation of the entire world”, but that “not even all Jews know this.” In…[the] Militia of the Immaculate, published in an edition of a million in 1939, Kolbe wrote, Atheistic Communism seems to rage ever more wildly. Its origin can easily be located in that criminal mafia that calls itself Freemasonry, and the hand that is guiding all that toward a clear goal is international Zionism. Which should not be taken to mean that even among Jews one cannot find good people.
In his periodicals, Kolbe published articles about topics such as a Zionist plot for world domination. [Wiki]
One would think this man held some manner of sympathy/empathy/common cause with NS Germany, but something tells me his legacy has been co-opted for a sinister purpose, and whilst he certainly may have objected to the methods of the National Socialists, like every other “Shoah victim,” his personal circumstances and experiences have been exaggerated and/or twisted with outright falsehoods.
makes me wonder what kind of state authority would feel so threatened by a Franciscan with TB
Well, there was a war on, yes? He was a publisher and radio operator, yes? He would have certainly and legitimately piqued the interests of an occupying force.
Wiki – After the Germans captured Niepokalanów, they arrested Kolbe on 19 September 1939. While in custody, Kolbe refused to sign the Deutsche Volksliste…The Germans released him on 8 December 1939.
Upon his release, he continued work at his friary where he and other friars provided shelter to refugees from Greater Poland, including 2,000 Jews whom he hid from Nazi persecution in the Niepokalanów friary. Kolbe received permission to continue publishing religious works, though significantly reduced in scope. The monastery continued to act as a publishing house, issuing a number of publications considered anti-Nazi.
Ok, so I wonder why Kolbe wasn’t eliminated in 1939? Perhaps the Germans eventually felt threatened because he was, in fact, undermining the German war effort? It seems to me he was given quarter and permitted to succor and administer to suffering civilians, but he clearly breached the terms of conduct likely imposed upon him on conditions for release.
Back to Wiki: On 17 February 1941, the Gestapo shut down the monastery and arrested Kolbe along with four others. He was incarcerated in the Pawiak prison in Warsaw. On 28 May 1941, the Germans transferred Kolbe to the Auschwitz concentration camp…
So, how was Kolbe eliminated?
At the end of July 1941, a prisoner successfully escaped from Auschwitz. In reprisal, the deputy camp commander…ordered guards to pick ten men to be starved to death in an underground bunker…. When selected, Franciszek Gajowniczek, a Polish Catholic, cried out, “My wife! My children!” At that moment, Kolbe volunteered to take his place.
Impatient to empty the bunker, the guards gave the four remaining prisoners lethal injections of carbolic acid. Kolbe is said to have raised his left arm and calmly waited for it. Maximilian Kolbe died on 14 August 1941.
What a story! It’s up there with those Flying Apples, Human Soap, and Truckloads of Bayonetted/Dismembered Babies in terms of being True In The Mind Of A Jew…
An underground bunker? Would this be the same subterranean bunker wherein Rudolf Höss kept his Jewish sex slave, who eventually became pregnant and was then ordered into a gas chamber, from which she somehow managed to survive/escape? Or, maybe it was the “bunker” in the basement of Block 11 wherein Sonderkommando Dario Gabbai helped to gas and kill tens of thousands of victims at once and in a timespan of 20-30 minutes, and who were then removed, lickety-split, with the hook end of a cane to empty the chamber for the next batch…
BTW, Dario Gabbai was a “Jew” at Auschwitz who failed to describe a single detail of his Bar Mitzvah, although he was “sure I had one.” My point is – the discrepancies and fabrications are rife within the “Holocaust” narratives, and that’s precisely WHY inquiry is either illegal or considered hate speech.
No, there were no underground bunkers at Auschwitz. The so-called “bunkers” at Auschwitz-Birkenau are two former farmhouses just outside the camp’s perimeter. They are claimed to have been the first homicidal gas chambers at Auschwitz, but this claim is based on rumors and post-war witness testimony, which has been debunked. [Internet AI not through Google]
You say not exterminatory, all lies
What, then, is the purpose of a hospital, library, soccer field, theatre, children’s ward, etc., in an extermination camp?
You’re welcome, and thanks for the Führer’s inspirational words.
“Well, I’ll thank you, Gelding, for nothin’ except more tripe, subterfuge, and out-of- context whinging.”
Right. Husband, family, children and home. No Church. Pretty simple. A small stable world. Got it.
AH: “it may perhaps be said that the woman’s is a smaller world. For her world is her husband, her family, her children, and her home…But what would become of the greater world if there were no one to tend and care for the smaller one?...This great world cannot survive if the smaller world is not stable…We do not consider it correct for the woman to interfere in the world of the man, in his main sphere”.
Which one: the Big World or the Small World?Replies: @Tiptoethrutulips
“at least Hitler was preoccupied with Saving The World.”
Which one: the Big World or the Small World?
Both.
So, Gelding, are you a male-feminist, then?
In case you didn’t know, that’s the Big World talking to the Small World.
Yeah, I got it. I am not vexed, though. He was entitled to his opinion, yes? To suggest or promote a proper order of things based on biology/necessity/inherent behaviors is not unreasonable, but that doesn’t mean exceptions don’t occur or should be stifled.
It is an absolute lie to suggest that women, generally, were oppressed and forbidden in NS Germany any sort of public/societal role beyond Kinder, Küche, Kirche.
Hanna Reitsch was a German aviator and test pilot. In 1933, Reitsch left medical school at the University of Kiel to become, at the invitation of Wolf Hirth, a full-time glider pilot/instructor at Hornberg in Baden-Württemberg…
Hitler awards Hanna Reitsch the Iron Cross 2nd Class in March 1941.
Melitta Schenk Gräfin von Stauffenberg was a German aviator who served as a test pilot in the Luftwaffe before and during World War II.
Now, I have no idea if the following is true, but I can’t resist the opportunity to take a swipe at a malignant, and more importantly, an un-Holocausted, Jewess in NS Germany:
Hanna Reitsch was middle class, vivacious and distinctly Aryan…Melitta von Stauffenberg came from an aristocratic Prussian family with Jewish roots… but ultimately, while Reitsch tried to save Hitler’s life, begging him to let her fly him to safety in April 1945, von Stauffenberg covertly supported a famous attempt to assassinate him.
Right. Husband, family, children and home. No Church. Pretty simple. A small stable world. Got it.
A small world? Not from the perspective of a woman who suffers to bring children into the world yet refuses to hand them over to some other woman for child care. One way or another, it’s WOMEN who are raising the kids, so who is better equipped to do it? The child’s mother or a hired hand? Or, a communist government nurse? What is the child’s preference? Does that even matter?
The relegation of home/family to the realm of oppression and disdain is clearly the perspective of Jewish women, which certainly explains yet another over-representation in yet another deleterious “progressive” movement in society, who were long subjected to the Talmudic dictates of the proper role of women and general scorn from Jewish men. I can’t really say I blame them…but, they directed their ire at the wrong class of men.
gave him clothes, money, etiquette lessons and entry to high social circles
Are you maligning Adolf Hitler for his once humble station in life? So, the “common man” is unworthy of title? He was a highly decorated soldier, yes? Was his willingness to serve his nation and his exceptional valor meaningless and nothing more than fodder for his “Betters?” Let’s ask Pat Tillman…
Adolf Hitler belled the cat regarding the nature and purpose of Western/European “progress” and conflicts in a way not dared by anyone in power during his time nor since.
As he well knew, there was only one class of “other” within European society when the “necessity” of a open society arrived for our own benefit, apparently:
Likewise, in our times, another foreign race threatens the culture, civilization, prosperity, and future of the European Christian people – a foreign race that is no less dangerous [then Arabs, Tartars, and Turks]. Nay, in terms of its means and objectives, it is probably even more dangerous than those aggressive national elements. This foreign race is the Jewish race.
… The victorious ideals of the French Revolution – liberty, equality, and fraternity – have torn down the barriers against the Jewish race that had been erected…The principle of liberty was also applied to a race whose first and foremost thoughts and energies are everywhere aimed at putting other nations in the moral and material shackles of slaves by all kinds of cunning behavior. [“Manifesto to the Governments and Peoples of the Christian Nations Threatened by Judaism,” The First Anti-Jewish Congress in Dresden, September 11, 12, 1882.]
All things considered, in 2025, these allegations appear to be absolutely valid.
Matilde von Kemnitz (née Spieß), on the other hand, was a 46-year old former teacher with a PhD in Neurology, a psychiatrist and author.… Small world indeed.
Exactly. And, thank you, Gelding, for making my argument for me. No one in NS Germany was attempting to push German women into a “shtetl” existence similar to what was acceptable and required in alien cultures.
Except there’s no Kirche in what Hitler said in 1934: “For her world is her husband, her family, her children, and her home.” A small world comprising ‘Husband, Family, Children, Home’. And remember “We do not consider it correct for the woman to interfere in the world of the man, in his main sphere”. Seems pretty clear.
“It is an absolute lie to suggest that women, generally, were oppressed and forbidden in NS Germany any sort of public/societal role beyond Kinder, Küche, Kirche.”
Moon-eyed Hanna should have been awarded the Grand Cross of Knights Cross for carrying an enormous torch for the Führer.
“Hitler awards Hanna Reitsch the Iron Cross 2nd Class in March 1941.”
Well ‘small world’ was the Führer’s description. Are you disagreeing? Careful – it could mean eight months of ‘re-education’.
“A small world? Not from the perspective of a woman who suffers to bring children into the world yet refuses to hand them over to some other woman for child care.”
Reichsjungenführer Balder von Schirach and Reichsführerin Gertrud Scholtz-Klink of course. There was no home-schooling nonsense in the Third Reich. Attendance in State schools was mandatory, as was State youth organization membership and Labor Service. After all, parents couldn’t be trusted to impart the proper ideology or enthusiasm. Mind the song:“We are the happy Hitler Youth. We need no Christian virtues for our Führer Adolf Hitler is always our guide…We do not follow Christ but Horst Wessel…I can do without the Church, the Swastika is redemption on earth”
“One way or another, it’s WOMEN who are raising the kids, so who is better equipped to do it?"
Not under National Socialism: the ‘individual’ didn’t exist. Just ask the Göbbels children.
“What is the child’s preference? Does that even matter?”
Women’s careers and suffrage are the product of Jewish females? Are you sure?
“The relegation of home/family to the realm of oppression and disdain is clearly the perspective of Jewish women…”
Not at all. Thank goodness he didn’t turn down the chauffeured Mercedes and tens of thousands of Reichsmarks. After all, ‘escort’ Vivian Ward (Julia Roberts) came from humble origins, and ‘Pretty Woman’ wouldn’t be a Cinderella story without cash and prizes. Same for Cinderella Hitler.
“[Bechstein (age 48) and Elsa Bruckmann (59)] gave him [Hitler (35)] clothes, money, etiquette lessons and entry to high social circles”
“Are you maligning Adolf Hitler for his once humble station in life?”
There was no shortage of them in 1918. Nor highly decorated Confederates in 1865.
“He was a highly decorated soldier, yes?”
He fled his nation - Austria-Hungary - to avoid the draft.Well, OK, he was a brave runner for the Germans, even if front-line troops called his ilk ‘rear area pigs’. Four years and one promotion to gefreiter (PFC) doesn’t show much leadership. To say nothing of becoming a ‘war hysteric’ in Pasewalk psychiatric hospital, site of his great political epiphany.Then he served by spying on his peers, ratting-out Reds, brawling and assaulting rival conservative politicians like Otto Ballerstedt (Otto, long retired, was murdered to settle scores 30 Jun 1934). Al Capone’s motto fits: “You can get much farther with a kind word and a gun than you can with just a kind word.”Service? Hitler served himself before all else. He made 7,800,000 RM [$41.1 million] from ‘Mein Kampf’ (bought and distributed by the state), an unknown amount in image royalties (postage stamps, currency, portraits) and still more in speaking fees. He had unrestricted access to a 700 million Reichsmark [$3.966 billion] slush-fund. His plundered art collection was valued at 70,000,000 RM [$369 million]. Thus burdened, he exempted himself from taxes while the Reich took 65% of incomes over 2,400 RM. The guy who launched war decided he shouldn’t pay for it. Service indeed.
“Was his willingness to serve his nation and his exceptional valor meaningless and nothing more than fodder for his “Betters?”
Indeed. Tilman was an accomplished professional athlete who graduated college with a 3.85 GPA and died age 27. So there’s no record of him as a 35-year-old unemployed ex-army spy and two-time felon befriended by aging society matrons who showered him with gifts.Hitler, on the other hand, abjured school, sports and employment. August Kubizek describes days spent reading, doodling or attending operas. A drop-out who swanned about on survivor benefits until his majority (1910). He then took residence in Meldemannstraße men’s hostel and began giving lectures to fellow vagrants.There’s no record of the wit and wisdom imparted by the 21-year-old; sadly his lectures have vanished like lost pearls. Perhaps he touched on women’s domesticity and their need for a stable ‘small world’.To be fair, he wasn’t totally indolent. Secretary Christa Schroeder: “I was surprised that he [Hitler] could stand for hours at a stretch with his arm extended. During a tea hour he revealed that he had ’done daily training with an expander’, but that ‘a strong will’ was also needed.”Brutal punishment, being saluted for hours. Had he won the war, perhaps raised-arm saluting would be an Olympic event: 1-2-3 hours and a 26-hour marathon?Replies: @Avery, @Tiptoethrutulips
“Let’s ask Pat Tillman...”
Adolf Hitler's National Socialist State: your friend and guide.
“One way or another, it’s WOMEN who are raising the kids, so who is better equipped to do it?”
N’est-ce pas, Fritz.
I suppose it should be Fritzin?
Had Hitler won the war would Paris look like this?
I think those aliens in Paris need to be actively persecuted and eliminated. Wo ist Stalin wenn wir ihn brauchen?
“And all that America did not receive from Europe may seem worthy of admiration to a Jewified mixed race, but Europe regards that merely as symptomatic of decay in artistic and cultural life, the product of the introduction of Jewish or Negroid blood.” – Adolf Hitler
True that. Have you been to New Orleans? Same difference…
The female form of Fritz is Fritzie, which is a diminutive of the German name Frederica and means "peaceful ruler". So they say. Recall if you will The Ballad of Pancho and Fritzie.
I suppose it should be Fritzin?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqKQeAYRGJw
The Psychological Roots of Fascism: Jung’s Analysis of Hitler and His Followers
In February 1942, Omnibook Magazine published an article titled “Is Tomorrow Hitler’s?” recounting a 1938 conversation with Carl Gustav Jung in Zurich. In the discussion, Jung offered profound insights into Adolf Hitler’s personality and his relationship with the German nation. His observations provide a psychological framework for understanding fascism’s appeal and destructiveness.
Jung categorized leaders in what he called “primitive societies” into two archetypes: the brute force of the strongest bully or the visionary seer, akin to a prophet. He considered Hitler to belong to the latter category. Observing Hitler in Czechoslovak cities, Jung described his demeanor as that of a dreamy visionary, reflected in the distant, entranced gaze on his face.
The phenomenon that nearly all Germans would fall prostrate before Hitler, exhibiting near-religious adoration, while foreigners saw only an unremarkable, uneducated Austrian corporal, struck Jung as deeply symbolic. To him, Hitler was the embodiment of the unconscious identity of his supporters. Jung famously remarked, “Hitler is the mirror of every German’s unconscious.”
He elaborated further:
“He is the loudspeaker which magnifies the whisper of the German soul until they can be heard by the German conscious ear. He is the first man to tell every German what he has been thinking and feeling all along in his unconscious about German fate, especially since the defeat in the World War, and the one characteristic which colors every German soul is the typically German inferiority complex, the complex of the younger brother, of the one who is always a bit late to the feast. Hitler’s power is not politica; it is magic.”
Jung also pointed out the psychotic elements of Hitler’s personality, noting, “He himself has referred to his Voice. His Voice is nothing other than his own unconscious, into which the German people have projected their own selves, that is, the unconscious of seventy-eight million Germans. This is what makes him powerful.”
Fascism as an Ideology of Projection
Jung argued that fascism thrives on collective identification. The leader becomes a totem—a simplistic caricature of personality into which followers project their unconscious desires and fears. Hitler, described by Jung as a “personality model made of boards and canvas,” embodied this totemic role. His followers, consumed by their own inferiority and repressed anger, were drawn to him not for who he was, but for what he represented: a reflection of their darkest selves.
This phenomenon, Jung observed, was not confined to ideological abstraction but manifested in concrete behaviors. He recounted an encounter with a young German Nazi volunteer fighting for Franco in Spain. This soldier described how his “education” elevated him above the Spanish and Moorish population in their occupied territories:
“When we conquer a town, the ignorant Spaniards and Moors smash and loot houses and offices, looking for money and jewelry. But I, with my academic knowledge, head straight to the cinema projection room and remove the lenses. Each lens is worth 10,000–15,000 pesetas. Education, you see, is the key to superior looting.”
The Mechanics of Destruction
Jung highlighted two destructive traits within Nazism:
Projection of Evil: The unconscious projection of Germans’ own fears and inferiority onto the figure of Hitler, making him a vessel for their collective darkness.
Narcissistic Delusion of Superiority: The illusion of education and moral justification for plunder, cloaked in a veneer of intellectual sophistication.
Jung described this combination as uniquely catastrophic, turning the Nazi movement into the most destructive force in Europe at the time. The mindless adoration of Hitler, expressed in frenzied rallies, and the embrace of organized atrocities like the Holocaust, stemmed from this collective psychological dynamic.
[The Mountain of Human Skulls produced by Nazis, irrespective of ethnicity.]
The Collective Problem of Evil
For Jung, the problem of fascism was not the leader himself but the collective unconscious of his followers. A leader like Hitler becomes dangerous only when he is willing to surrender to the “call of evil.” As Jung noted, true leaders are always guided by something beyond themselves—Hitler was guided by a “Voice” that led him, and those who followed, into a moral abyss.
Jung’s analysis reminds us that fascism is not just a political ideology but a psychological phenomenon rooted in the collective unconscious. The dynamic between a leader and his followers reveals the destructive potential of unexamined fears, resentments, and desires. By understanding these forces, societies can better guard against the allure of demagoguery and the dark pull of collective projection.
documents… were falsified to conceal the exterminatory function of the camp
Ok, Noodle = Colin Wright = Wielgus = John Johnson, the term “Auschwitz-Birkenau extermination camp” is a falsification, in and of itself, but what else is problematic with the site you linked? What the hell is this nonsense?
Stop Denial
Holocaust denial is not just a lie. It is a tool of ideological hatred, spread today primarily through social media. Its aim is the systematic erasure of the truth about the greatest crime in the history of Europe. Thanks to the new ‘Stop Denial” tool, everyone can now easily take meaningful action to defend historical truth and the dignity of the victims of Auschwitz.
International Educational Conference on Memory in the 21st Century
Over 150 experts: researchers, museum professionals, teachers, representatives of memorial sites, and various organizations dealing with the history and memory of World War II, Auschwitz, the Holocaust, and other genocides, gathered from June 30 to July 2, 2025, to reflect on the state of memory and its role in the face of the challenges posed by the modern world.
We, Survivors, know that the consequence of being an alien is active persecution. 80th anniversary of liberation of Auschwitz.
In other words:
Stop asking so many questions and just swallow the BS we keep shoving down your throats. So what if we say 6 million – 2.9 million = 6 million?! Who says wood cottages can’t be used as homicidal gas chambers? Weren’t the Germans capable of inhuman feats of engineering and defying the laws of reason, physics, thermodynamics, and chemistry? We will TELL YOU exactly what to say to the deniers, so there’s no need to educate yourself on the details.
Everyone knows that the Jewish Memory is permanent, long, and vast, yet quite specific, in scope. The fact that neither Churchill, Eisenhower, de Gaulle, nor Patton had any recollection of homicidal gas chambers operating in Nazi extermination camps reflects the inferiority of the state of Gentile Memory. The fact that the allegations of homicidal gas chambers once operating in the camps “liberated” by western powers has been “forgotten” whilst those tales of gas chambers and death pits in the eastern camps, liberated by the Soviets, rage on and on and on is merely a feature of aforementioned Holocaust Denial, which is a feature of ideological hatred, which is just plain ol’ antisemitism, which has been around since the beginning of time for no reason whatsoever. So, if Shoah survivor, Irene Weiss, remembers that in the summer of 1944, every child brought to Auschwitz-Birkenau was killed within a half hour after arrival, and “There were no children in that place!” and if Shoah survivor, Paula Lebovics, remembers that she arrived to Auschwitz-Birkenau in the summer of 1944 as a 9 year old child and worked in the kitchen – well, there’s a Gentile lying about those two Jewish survivors and therefore we must form a Council of Memory to further bilk the remembrance and guilt-ridden donors and thereby face the challenges of Gentiles who refuse to swallow the BS we keep shoveling.
It is a truth universally acknowledged, that every White Gentile in possession of a good nation, deserves to be inundated with all manner of savage and clever aliens until they are eliminated from this earth because long ago, and our Memory is quite long, THEY (although we dispute that White Gentiles were actually around anywhere when Humanity arrived according to the Torah/Bible) destroyed our Temple, and THEY protested against our sneaky business practices and peculiar mannerisms/sacrificial rituals and all that well-poisoning and central banking and war harvesting and media company gobbling and chronic assassinations and Palestinian genociding and BS shoveling.
Sometimes I stood there thunderstruck.
I didn’t know what to be more amazed at: the agility of their tongues or their virtuosity at lying.
Gradually I began to hate them.
All those red herrings were exhaustively debunked by at least 2 posters who are far more knowledgeable about WW2 and Hitler than I.If you care to read them:
However, it completely fails to address what to my mind are the central points.1. There is indeed every reason to think Stalin was gearing up to attack Germany himself. I’m merely skeptical he intended to do so earlier than 1942.2. More immediately, Stalin’s aggressions and demands over the summer and fall of 1940 posed a genuine threat to Germany. If Hitler intended to attack Russia eventually, it was these provocations that pushed him to decide to do it now.
In direct violation the Treaty of Versailles?
Care to recount the method and means by which the Diktat of Versailles was forced upon Germany?
Or you only see Stalin’s, quote, ‘aggressions and demands’ ?
Let’s stick to the era after WW1 and before the end of WW2 – Soviets invade and/or occupy:
Ukraine 1919-1920
Georgia 1921
Azerbaijan 1920
Armenia 1920
Poland 1919-1920; 1939
Finland 1939
Estonia/Latvia/Lithuania 1940
Rumania (Bessarabia) 1940
What else were the Soviets up to besides – “Let us fan the flames of world revolution, and we will overturn the whole world!” [Stalin, January 1931] – ?
Béla Kun, born Béla Kohn…was a Hungarian communist revolutionary and politician who in 1919 governed the Hungarian Soviet Republic.
…In Russia Kun, embraced communist ideas, and in 1918 in Moscow he co-founded a Hungarian arm of the Russian Communist Party. He befriended Vladimir Lenin and fought for the Bolsheviks in the Russian Civil War.
In November 1918, Kun returned to Hungary with Soviet support and set up the Party of Communists in Hungary. Adopting Lenin’s tactics, he agitated against the government of Mihály Károlyi…Kun led a successful coup d’état, formed a Communist-Social Democratic coalition government, and proclaimed a Hungarian Soviet Republic…[Kun] maintained direct contact with Lenin via radiotelegraph and received orders and advice from the Kremlin.
Four months later, the new regime collapsed in the face of a military offensive by the Kingdom of Romania. Kun fled to Soviet Russia, where from 1920 he worked as a functionary in the Communist International bureaucracy as head of the Crimean Revolutionary Committee. He organised and actively participated in the Red Terror in Crimea (1920–1921), following which he participated in the 1921 March Action, a failed Communist uprising in Germany. [Wiki]
The Soviet Union provided military support to the Spanish Republic during the Spanish Civil War, which lasted from 1936 to 1939. The first ship with Soviet weapons arrived in Spain on October 12, 1936. Throughout the war, a total of 66 vessels delivering Soviet military equipment, small arms, ammunition, and other materiel docked in the Republic-controlled ports.
The Soviet Union sent between 2,000 and 3,000 military advisers to Spain, with no more than around 700 Soviet citizens fighting in Spain at any one time.
Stalin proclaimed on November 25, 1936, that all was Right and Good in the Soviet World –
It means that the exploitation of man has been abolished, eliminated, while the Socialist ownership of the implements and means of production has been established as the unshakable foundation of our Soviet society.
As a result of all these changes in the sphere of the national economy of the USSR, we now have a new, Socialist economy, which knows neither crises nor unemployment, which knows neither poverty nor ruin, and which provides our citizens with every opportunity to lead a prosperous and cultured life.
The landlord class, as you know, had already been eliminated as a result of the victorious conclusion of the civil war. As for the other exploiting classes, they have shared the fate of the landlord class. The capitalist class in the sphere of industry has ceased to exist. The kulak class in the sphere of agriculture has ceased to exist. And the merchants and profiteers in the sphere of trade have ceased to exist. Thus all the exploiting classes have now been eliminated.
That’s a lot of eliminating. Do tell – where did they all go? And, do tell, exactly which Exploiters were in Stalin’s crosshairs, btw?
One of the biggest steel mills in the world is being built near Magnet Mountain in remote Siberia. The work is being done under the direction of American engineers. – January 23, 1931 [History As You Heard It, Lowell Thomas]
Shall we fact-check Mr. Thomas? I did long ago, and this is just the tip of the iceberg regarding the hypocrisy of the Soviets regarding their aversion to the fruits of Capitalism –
In 1931, the American company Arthur G. McKee & Co. was involved in the construction of a steel factory in Russia at Magnitogorsk. [Internet AI]
So, was Stalin against Capitalism and Capitalist expansion, ingenuity, profits, and innovations or NOT? Do tell….
Adolf Hitler proclaimed from the beginning that he meant to – 1. Overturn the mandates of a false and illegitimate “treaty;” 2. He would restore Germany via a reclamation and restoration of the former Reich through a thwarting and purging of the alien element ensconced in positions of power and influence within Germany who sought to undermine and parasitize same; 3. Defend Germany/Europe from the Soviet/Bolshevik menace – and, that’s exactly what he did.
Thanks for your efforts to enlighten an ignoramus who claims to be an Armenian.
Alas, judging from his earlier preachings on this fine webzine, he has no ability to take in anything outside the narrative that reigns supreme since the “great victory”.
Thanks for the kind words, and for an interesting subject. Certainly none can predict what would have been: would Edward VIII preside over a English protectorate while brother George VI fled (where?); would Heß be welcomed or executed on release from captivity; would Hitler ever marry (doubtful); would Göring advance in succession, or collapse in a drug-ridden corruption; would Göbbels and Bormann retain influence or meet uncharitable ends; and so on.For all of that, there’s a good argument #813 is no exaggeration. Three examples: (1) The definition of the individual; (2) the role of women; and (3) the future of religion.(1) The individual is muted or missing in the Third Reich: There is no ‘Ein Mensch” in ‘Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Führer’. Göbbels was the prophet (emphasis added):“The revolution that we have made is a total revolution. It encompasses every aspect of public life from the bottom up…it has completely altered relationships between the individual and the state…[the goal is to] replace individuality with collective racial consciousness and the individual with the community…[there will] no longer [be] any free realms in which the individual belongs to himself…the time for personal happiness is over”- Joseph Göbbels [Helmut Heiber ‘The Early Göbbels Diaries’ London 1962]
“You truly are a master of the art of exaggeration, and not devoid of a sense of humor.”
Well, I’ll thank you, Gelding, for nothin’ except more tripe, subterfuge, and out-of-context whinging.
Women enjoyed 19th Century roles in chauvinist Hitler’s mind
It was a Man’s World then – just ask Pig Churchill, Iosif Stalin, FDR.
Man and women represent two completely different kinds of being. In the man, understanding is dominant, in the women feeling.” -Adolf Hitler
That’s not exactly what he said, is it?
In 1934, Adolf Hitler said –
‘The slogan ‘Emancipation of Women’ was invented by Jewish intellectuals and its content was formed by the same spirit. In the really good times of German life, the German woman had no need to emancipate herself. She possessed exactly what nature had necessarily given her to administer and preserve…
If the man’s world is said to be the State, his struggle, his readiness to devote his powers to the service of the community, then it may perhaps be said that the woman’s is a smaller world. For her world is her husband, her family, her children, and her home. But what would become of the greater world if there were no one to tend and care for the smaller one?
How could the greater world survive if there were no one to make the cares of the smaller world the content of their lives? No, the greater world is built on the foundation of this smaller world. This great world cannot survive if the smaller world is not stable. Providence has entrusted to the woman the cares of that world which is her very own, and only on the basis of this smaller world can the man’s world be formed and built up. The two worlds are not antagonistic. They complement each other; they belong together just as man and woman belong together.
We do not consider it correct for the woman to interfere in the world of the man, in his main sphere. We consider it natural if these two worlds remain distinct. To the one belongs the strength of feeling, the strength of the soul. To the other belongs the strength of vision, of toughness, of decision, and of the willingness to act…
The sacrifices which the man makes in the struggle of his nation, the woman makes in the preservation of that nation in individual cases…And both must therefore mutually value and respect each other when they see that each performs the task that Nature and Providence have ordained. And this mutual respect will necessarily result from this separation of the functions of each.
It is not true, as Jewish intellectuals assert, that respect depends on the overlapping of the spheres of activity of the sexes; this respect demands that neither sex should try to do that which belongs to the sphere of the other: It lies in the last resort in the fact that each knows that the other is doing everything necessary to maintain the whole community…
So our women’s movement is for us not something which inscribes on its banner as its program the fight against men, but something which has as its program the common fight together with men.
would Hitler ever marry (doubtful)
Well, Gelding, I’m sure you have a bit of insight into the condition of perpetual bachelorhood; at least Hitler was preoccupied with Saving The World.
Any thoughts on the Talmudic teachings of the proper role of women in society? Or, on Stalin’s use of women as government mules, soldiers, and poorly-trained pilots for distraction and fodder?
February 9, 1931 – The newest decree of the Soviet government is that hundreds of thousands of women are to be put to work in factories. Their children will be placed in the care of government nurses. [History As You Heard It, Lowell Thomas]
You’re welcome, and thanks for the Führer’s inspirational words.
“Well, I’ll thank you, Gelding, for nothin’ except more tripe, subterfuge, and out-of- context whinging.”
Right. Husband, family, children and home. No Church. Pretty simple. A small stable world. Got it.
AH: “it may perhaps be said that the woman’s is a smaller world. For her world is her husband, her family, her children, and her home…But what would become of the greater world if there were no one to tend and care for the smaller one?...This great world cannot survive if the smaller world is not stable…We do not consider it correct for the woman to interfere in the world of the man, in his main sphere”.
Which one: the Big World or the Small World?Replies: @Tiptoethrutulips
“at least Hitler was preoccupied with Saving The World.”
“Avery” is a rather strange name for an Armenian Donmeh…
In any case, the “uncensored” documentary from German Spiegel TV is not excellent; it’s an utter farce and a piece of worthless propaganda as it is ILLEGAL in Germany to provide uncensored (truthful) history on Adolf Hitler; WW2; the NSDAP; the “Holocaust,” etc. An actually uncensored version of anything involving NS Germany/Adolf Hitler/WW2 is an impossibility in Germany/most of Europe. And, you’re an idiot to think we don’t know any better.
So, let’s take a look at those “honorable” Germans you mentioned –
*Christian Hartmann (born 15 April 1959) is a German historian. He is a research fellow at the Institute of Contemporary History (Institut für Zeitgeschichte) in Munich.
Hartmann grew up in Tübingen. In 1981, he worked in the Tel Joseph kibbutz in Israel…
*Michael Epkenhans (b. 1955 at Wiedenbrück, Germany) is a German military historian known for his works dealing with the German Imperial Navy…In February 2009 he became the director of research for the Militärgeschichtliches Forschungsamt der Bundeswehr in Potsdam. Following a reorganisation in 2013, the organisation became the Center for Military History and Social Sciences of the Bundeswehr.
*Lieutenant General (retired) Rainer Glatz was formerly the commander of the Bundeswehr Operations Command. On the Advisory Board, he is involved in the Public Communication and Civilian Crisis Prevention as well as the Protection Zones project.
With this project, the Advisory Board aims to support media communication with the public on the theme of civilian crisis prevention and peacebuilding.
*Helene Heldt – are you kidding me? Helene gives Angela Merkel a run for her money on How to Bring Down a Nation from Within by Incessantly Squawking in Support of the Pseudo-Science of Gender and Diversity Studies. Helene can be heard in all her “bellicose” glory with this monstrosity of German focus: Militär und Geschlecht: Eröffnungsstatement Friederike Hartung und Helene Heldt…
Epkenhans routinely gives lectures sponsored by the History Channel (he claims the Russians defeated the Wehrmacht “on their own,” as if he is (willfully) unaware of the mountain of support given to the Soviets by America/England – only Germany fought on her own); Glatz spends his time attempting to Heal The World whilst permitting himself to be subservient to this harpy –
Nora Müller – Director of the International Politics Division and Director of the Berlin office of the Körber Foundation…
Nora Müller has been Director of the International Politics Division and of the Berlin office of the Körber Foundation since 2015. On the Advisory Board, she coordinates the Public Communication and Civilian Crisis Prevention project.
Nora Müller is also a member of the International Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS).
From 1999 to 2002 she studied at Tel Aviv University and, following that, she completed her Master’s in European Studies at the HU Berlin, the FU Berlin and the TU Berlin. She is a graduate of the Folke Bernadotte Academy – The Swedish Academy for Peace, Security and Development.
(I do wonder if Barbara Spectre is affiliated with this “Swedish Academy” for Submission via (false) Guilt, Annihilation and Regression?)
So, Avery, I wonder if Müller was informed on the circumstances of Bernadotte’s assassination whilst completing her kosher indoctrination at the Tel Aviv University? Do tell….
I hear Lucky Larry Silverstein and Howard Lutnick, (Howard was also fortuitously “lucky” that September morn…), are collaborating to sponsor an uncensored documentary on 911. I’m sure we’ll all be duly informed by the efforts of those honorable “Americans.” If the Truth on an incident that occurs right before our eyes can be concealed from us, it’s quite obvious that the same could be done (was/has been done) against the nation that in 1933 sought to defenestrate from itself and from Europe the very same element that terrorizes us to this very day. Define extrapolate, Avery.
And, every one of those aforementioned honorable Germans has been educated/indoctrinated by an infiltrated western academia post-WW2; the concentrated warping of German history began immediately in 1945.
Oh, the Ubermann in the photograph was the German man, natürlich .
Thanks for the warning! I had my suspicions on his buffoonery when he lauded McNally and Incitatus, in and of itself, and also for the suggestion that Rezun/Wear were defeated with a heretofore unknown factoid. In any event, I think the Mannerheim recording reveals the truth of the German perspective –
…May the fighters united in the brotherhood-of-arms bring their respective peoples peace, and rescue the whole Europe from danger, which has threatened us over two decades like a nightmare on our eastern borders.
…A major threat, perhaps the worst one – which we naturally only now can fully evaluate at all. We ourselves had no precise idea how monstrously this state had been equipped with…
Naturally we were under the impression they were well equipped, — but what there was in reality. And now, there is no longer any doubt on what they were up to.
We have witnessed it right here in the war. Our whole armament had naturally been tailored for the west.
…I then had a discussion ..with Molotov. And it was quite clear .. that Molotov would go on with the decision to begin a war and when possible I would prevent him, and make him free of his war. Because the demands that man placed were quite evidently meant for ultimately dominating Europe!
Avery then pathetically admitted to NOT having read either Rezun nor Glantz and even said he would not do it, as he had no interest in wasting his time on the matter!
Quite typical for his ilk who often say, It’s true because it happened.
Nacht und Nebel
Genau!
Sprechen sie jetzt Deutsch?
I wonder what other information remains concealed from us? What other Truths are perpetually suppressed? Try harder, Noodle, bitte.
By the way, and I’m fairly certain this book is nowhere on any reading list for any history class anywhere in America or Europe:
THE HORROR ON THE RHINE
By E. D. MOREL.
APRIL, 1921.“We appeal to the whole civilised world, to all right-thinking and chivalrous men and women, to use every effort in order that an end may be put to the occupation of a European country by coloured troops and the unavoidable consequences connected therewith.”
Protest signed by Prince Max von Baden and others. Freiburg, June 25th.“We appeal to the women of the world to support us in our protest against the utterly unnatural occupation by coloured troops of German districts along the Rhine.”
Frau Roil, Socialist Member of the Reichstag, speaking in the Reichstag, May 20.
“France must also be ranked among these colossal States. Not only because she is adding to the strength of her army in a constantly increasing measure by recruiting coloured troops from the population of her gigantic empire, but also because France is racially becoming more and more negroid, so much so that now one can actually speak of the creation of an African State on European soil…If France develops along the lines it has taken in our day, and should that development continue for the next three hundred years, all traces of French blood will finally be submerged in the formation of a Euro-African Mulatto State. This would represent a formidable and compact colonial territory stretching from the Rhine to the Congo, inhabited by an inferior race which had developed through a slow and steady process of bastardization.” [Mein Kampf, Adolf Hitler]
The following video titled ‘EXPLOSIVE New Film EXPOSES Suppressed Study Proving Vaccine Dangers! w/ Del Bigtree’ is a must watch if you’re considering vaccinating your children or grandchildren:
Del Bigtree is a champion of truth.
He has a long history of exposing Big Pharma corruption and pharmaceutical/medical fraud.
He is genuinely a colossus of integrity.
To which you write a comment praising poster John Wear:
{The problem with PooBear’s elegant and ridiculous prose is that he fails to win arguments.} [Tiptoethrutulips]
{And you and your panzer buddies posting at UNZ.com do?
Do tell.} [Avery]
And that’s supposed to be proof that he or the other panzers*, quote, “win arguments”?
See comment #617, John Wear’s excellent summary of information supporting the premise that Stalin was in preparation for a European invasion……
Q: Did I Tell or what?
Now, now: be honest.
1. Regarding Poupon – one must make an argument in order to win an argument. Do tell and explain to me the degree to which the two cited “arguments/rebuttals” of Poupon Marx actually furthered his case against Germany/Hitler. Which specific refutations did you find effective or persuasive? Or, even relevant?
2. I am familiar with McNally and Incitatus, and unlike Poupon, they do argue, but not very successfully, in my opinion. Incitatus slings insults and argues by same (as do I occasionally, but I don’t argue by aspersions); McNally never slanders; they both carry water for the Holocaust/Judenratten Industrial Complex. The very fact that you designate those two Hasbara/Pilpul Trolls as reliable or effective representatives of the anti-German/anti-Goyim/anti-Truth/Reality Cohort tells me you are likely a mainstream water-carrier yourself. That you believe they thoroughly and comprehensively debunked and crushed any arguments put forth by Wear/Rezun tells me you are delusional or maybe Jewish. Maybe both.
3. You made no actual argument. So, what did you tell me? That the Panzers and the pro-Panzers are wrong because you, meine griechisch Kröte, the BolshevikPretzel, and Gelding all say so? Regarding the Holodomor argument between Poupon and me, which seems to have inspired you, do you have a refutation for my posts? Or, did PooBear prevail?
btw: 1. yours truly, an internationally recognized amateur non-expert on WW2/Hitler, finally succeeded – 2. after considerable effort – in having Mr. John Wear admit to a FACT (via Goebbels), which completely undermines the Rezun myth.
1. Oh? Well, please refer me to the published work for which you have been recognized. Winston Churchill was also an internationally recognized “expert” on the events of WW2, btw…recognition from the Establishment means Nothing.
2. I am unfamiliar with this event. I will look for it in the referenced Hanson thread; I’ll get back to you. I do find it interesting to be informed that the entire supposition of Stalin’s preemptive plans of attack against Europe/Germany was defeated by a single fact.
The problem with PooBear’s elegant and ridiculous prose is that he fails to win arguments.
And you and your panzer buddies posting at UNZ.com do?
Do tell.
See comment #617, John Wear’s excellent summary of information supporting the premise that Stalin was in preparation for a European invasion – PooBear’s rebuttal:
John Wear is an automaton, bot, and deeply reflexive closed loop German blockhead, thick as a brick, a circuit on rational and honesty bypass aka detour. It’s so obvious.
See comment #690, L.K’s thorough and insightful inquiries and explanations on the conflict with Poland; the consequences of English meddling in said conflict; the inference to the preceding meddling done via the Diktat of Versailles – PooBear’s rebuttal:
Totally unconvincing, scattershot, and scarcely coherent. Low credibility and a poorly executed covert process of diversion and deception of inferior and inadequate knowledge. An Incomplete would be charity to rate you comment, but in the context of far superior missives, I rate yours a failure.
So, what did you glean from Poupon’s incisive wit and elegant prose? Do tell…
To which you write a comment praising poster John Wear:
{The problem with PooBear’s elegant and ridiculous prose is that he fails to win arguments.} [Tiptoethrutulips]
{And you and your panzer buddies posting at UNZ.com do?
Do tell.} [Avery]
And that’s supposed to be proof that he or the other panzers*, quote, “win arguments”?
See comment #617, John Wear’s excellent summary of information supporting the premise that Stalin was in preparation for a European invasion……
You have failed in your attempt to refute my general hypothesis and related assertions and declarations.
Did I? Internet AI disagrees –
Russia declassified some documents about the hunger in USSR in 1930-1940ies, which took place because of the collectivization of farms and industrialization, in particular, in Ukraine, Kazakhstan, Belarus, and Ural.
Copies of the declassified documents were posted at the official web site of the Russian Foreign Affairs Ministry.
The declassified documents indicate that, beginning from May of 1930, the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks (VKP(b)) received information about hunger, deficit of grain and bread from Senior Political Departments of Soviet Union republics. On the basis of the received information, the Political Bureau of VKP(b) issued resolutions on aid to suffering regions…
On the other hand, the official web site of the Russian Foreign Ministry posted materials showing inactivity of the Ukrainian party leadership in solving the food crisis in the republic. In particular, M.Zhyvanov…wrote in his letter to Stanislav Kosior, first secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party in Ukraine: “Open your eyes to the reality. What are you doing with your policy, you, silent slaves of Moscow? You have ruined Ukraine and its agriculture within two years: you turned the Ukrainian party organization into a flock of parrots, who have learnt that it’s forbidden to say “unreal”, it’s opportunism. Last year these parrots left the Ukrainian economy without any slice of bread, without potato, without corn.
At least, calculate, how many children and aged people have died from hunger here…”The Russian Foreign Ministry informs that the publicized digital copies of original documents were received from funds of Russian federal archives. “These are just a part of a huge documental array about the hunger in USSR”, reads the preface to the declassified materials.
Russia has taken limited steps to declassify documents related to the Holodomor… framing the famine as a broader Soviet tragedy rather than a targeted act against the Ukrainian people.
NBC News disagrees:
Feb. 25, 2009, The Associated Press
Russia issued a DVD and a thick book of historical documents on Wednesday to dispute claims that the Ukrainian famine of the 1930s amounted to genocide.
Russian archivists and historians pressed the Kremlin’s case that the Stalin-era famine – which killed millions of people – was a common tragedy across Soviet farmlands…
“Not a single document exists that even indirectly shows that the strategy and tactics chosen for Ukraine differed from those applied to other regions, not to mention tactics or strategy with the aim of genocide,” said Vladimir Kozlov, head of Russia’s Federal Archive Agency.
He said the famine was a direct result of Josef Stalin’s brutal collectivization campaign and the widespread confiscation of grain that was exported to secure equipment needed for the Soviet dictator’s frenetic industrialization drive.
Kozlov said the policy was class-based, targeting the kulaks – wealthy farmers seen as enemies of Communism – and was implemented virtually identically across the Soviet Union.
“There were no national or ethnic undertones,” he told a news conference at the headquarters of state news agency RIA-Novosti.
Did you get that, PooBear? Russia doesn’t deny the mass starvation resulting from Marxist/Communist/Bolshevik collectivist policies; they deny that their policies were implemented for the purpose of eliminating Ukrainians. Of course, it was perfectly reasonable to implement policies to eliminate “wreckers,” and we all know, Wrecking Gentile/Christian/European Society begins at Home.
Vladimir agrees with me:
VLADIMIR V. TCHERNAVIN
I SPEAK FOR THE SILENT – PRISONERS OF THE SOVIETS
Copyright, 1935Real Wreckers of Russia
[…] It was too well known that the termination of a trial, the announcement of a sentence and even the fearful words “carried out” do not mean, in the U.S.S.R., the end of arrests, but are only preludes to more repressions and executions.It was not long before new arrests were made in all the institutions and enterprises of the food industry in Moscow as well as in the provinces…
By the autumn of 1930 the disruption of the fishing industry in all its branches—scientific, administrative, production and distribution—was complete…
I cannot here give a complete statement of the havoc wrought in the fishing industry…I can only say that during the short period of 1930-31, out of the scientists and highly qualified specialists in the fishing industry…twenty-six were shot and thirty-four deported to concentration camps…
Without any doubt the systematic destruction of the remaining specialists and men of culture is even now being continued in the U.S.S.R… This wholesale destruction of specialists could not fail to have fatal results for the fishing business…
The same conditions prevailed, in general, in all the industries of the U.S.S.R. I specifically mention the fishing industry of the north only because I know it so well, but it presents no exception and was only in line with the other industries in all parts of the country.
The Bolsheviks for the second time were leading a rich and prosperous country into terrible poverty and dreadful famine… it was wrecking of unbelievable proportions, preplanned by the organization headed by Stalin, the Political Bureau and the GPU, together with their thousands of branches, called nuclei, of the Communist Party.
I hope you can keep a good kitchen and haus,
Of course, I do. I also do my Due Diligence when defending Adolf Hitler/Germany. There were also releases of Soviet archival records on the fate of (a few) Allied and (many) German soldiers captured and shipped off to the Gulags during and after the war, but no one seems to care – alas, that’s an argument for another day. I wonder if Spielberg is working on a movie on that (non)Human Tragedy of banishment to Stalin’s Icy Home for Wayward Wreckers and Bright-Eyed Aryans? He could use Hellstorm: The Death of Nazi Germany 1944 to 1947 by Thomas Goodrich or GRUESOME HARVEST, The Costly Attempt To Exterminate The People of Germany by Ralph Franklin Keeling for reference on general Soviet/Bolshevik/Mongolian monstrousness.
Ich tu dir weh
Es tut mir nicht lied
Das tut dir gut
Wish I could write hilarious (and accurate) prose like that -- to elegantly ridicule the panzer cadres for their delusions.Replies: @Tiptoethrutulips
That’s right all you Air Iron Beauty Contest audience members, your boy Hitler and his strutting strudel sauerbraten mentally disordered sociopaths were manipulated by the Master Puppeteers, as I and several others have maintained and attempted to break the Deutschland Uber Alles trance and longitudinal Mass Formation Psychosis.
Wish I could write hilarious (and accurate) prose like that — to elegantly ridicule the panzer cadres for their delusions.
Well, give it a go! As our greatest-ever American once said, You miss all the shots that you don’t take.
The problem with PooBear’s elegant and ridiculous prose is that he fails to win arguments. He is funny, though.
The essence of PooBear is like the sulphuric substance that oozes and wafts from within the marshy, muddy, wetlands that often mires the marooned and tipsy Captain plodding the shoreline, unshod against the subterranean effluence that sears the soles and inflames the nostrils, and whilst Sulpher surely has anti-inflammatory, anti-microbial, and antioxidant properties, it is still difficult to tolerate, and one often requires assistance in removing oneself from the gooey, sulphuric, realm.
PooBear is surely familiar with shoreline plodding as he excels at aground running which was the inspiration for the above silly, yet accurate, prose.
Look around at the state of America, Europe, and Palestine today and yet insist that the Panzer cadres are/were delusional. Define delusional. Define cognitive dissonance. Bitte!
Moroccan Arrested in the Netherlands for Stabbing of II-Year-Old Girl in Broad Daylight, February 3, 2025
King of the Netherlands Apologizes for Country’s Role in Slavery
July 1, 2023Muslim Party Leader in the Netherlands Tells Dutch to Leave Their Country If They Don’t Like Diversity
Voice of Europe, July 11, 2018Tunahan Kuzu, the political leader of the DENK party in the Netherlands, has caused some serious controversy, Dutch broadcaster NOS reports.
“If they don’t like a changing Netherlands in which people with different cultures live… like in the city of Zaandam or the neighbourhood of Poelenburg, they should get lost,” Kuzu says in an interview.
Your remaining line of reasoning is too randomized, spurious, and peppered with silly questions that are just not good form or useful in syllogistic progression. Therefore, I will segue into revealing and discussing the question and topic.
Are you suggesting, then, that Western Ukraine, which was part of Poland during the subject timeframe, was starving, but Eastern Ukraine, under Soviet “management,” was still Europe’s breadbasket in the 1930’s? Yes, you are – ”Meanwhile, “Holodomor”, if we call the famine of the early 1930s, took place in Western Ukraine.” Wikipedia says, “The Holodomor, also known as the Ukrainian famine, was a mass famine in Soviet Ukraine from 1932 to 1933 that killed millions of Ukrainians. The Hoodomor was part of the wider Soviet famine of 1930–1933, which affected the major grain-producing areas of the Soviet Union.”
[As usual, the main motivation was money and possession. With land of abundant resources and fertile ground, and somnambulistic, rustic population of relatively low aptitude and free floating anger, ZIDSO saw the Golden Goose as Eretz Israel. And a launch pad to drive home the stake into Russia's heart! A giant leap in the march to control the World, with China in their sites, and the crash test dummies Goyim stampeding cattle as their weapon. What a deal!]
The Ukrainian diaspora abroad played a major role in presenting the Holodomor as a deliberate extermination of Ukrainian people. In 1985, through the efforts of an organization called Americans for Human Rights in Ukraine, a parliamentary commission was established in the United States to investigate the circumstances of the great famine. In 1988, the World Congress of Free Ukrainians helped establish an international legal commission that recognized the policies of collectivization, "dekulakization" (repressions against 'kulaks' or wealthy peasants), and starvation as acts of deliberate genocide against the Ukrainian people by the Soviet government. Ukrainian organizations also sponsored memorial exhibitions and rallies in cities and villages that had been particularly affected by the hunger.
Gradually, domestic public organizations joined the information campaign. Among these were the Rukh nationalist movement, the Union of Writers of Ukraine, and many others. The Memorial Society helped organize conferences in different regions of Ukraine - at these gatherings, the famine was discussed and eyewitness accounts were gathered. Based on this information, the book 'Famine '33: National Memorial Book' was published in 1991.
Maxim Semenov, a political analyst and specialist in the history of modern Ukraine, believes that the Ukrainian authorities turned to the topic of the Holodomor because they recognized the fragile state of Ukraine's "independence," its major economic dependence on Russia, and the cultural proximity of the two countries.
"As the successor of the USSR, Russia was presented as a historical enemy that allegedly always wanted to annihilate Ukrainians, that starved them to death and so on. As Ukrainian propagandists explained, grain was taken from Ukrainian peasants and exported to the RSFSR - in other words, Russians lived at the expense of the dying Ukrainian peasants. Moreover, in the 2000s, the gap in the standard of living in Russia and Ukraine became apparent. Ukrainians lived in objectively worse conditions and this created the impression that Russians continued to prosper while the people of Ukraine suffered," the political analyst adds.
According to Semenov, Ukrainian propagandists presented the Holodomor as a deliberate genocide against Ukrainians, organized by the Soviet government in the Ukrainian SSR. This propaganda was spread by means of the media, school history textbooks, public events, and in many other ways. Moreover, the Ukrainian authorities emphasized two things: that the famine was man-made, and that its sole aim was to kill Ukrainians.
"Obviously, this does not match historical facts, but that does not bother Ukrainian propagandists. As a result of the systematic work carried out through the media, the public education system, and culture, and by implementing the politics of memory, for over 20 years the Holodomor has been one of the key themes [in Ukrainian politics]," Semenov says.
Your support and source material is all from Western sources, or approved and promoted by the West.
Yes, that’s correct for the sources previously cited herein, but those are hardly the only testimonies upon which I have relied:
ESCAPE FROM THE SOVIETS
BY TATIANA TCHERNAVIN
1934This book is about myself, for I cannot write of other people without exposing them to the danger of imprisonment and exile; but my life is typical of the lives of thousands of educated women in U.S.S.R.
….None of us were hostile to the Revolution…
But this did not save us either from famine, when we had no food to give our children, or from prison and exile.The campaign of terrorism which began three years ago is not over yet…but for the sake of friends who are still alive and of the dear ones killed by the OGPU, I want to tell the sad truth about our life in Soviet Russia.
That was the first year of the Bolshevik rule [1918]; life was getting more and more disorganized; famine was threatening…no one understood as yet how terrible it was going to be.
The Revolution as such did not frighten me; I… felt convinced that the overthrow of the autocracy would lead to real political freedom… But the first sensation I felt on waking up on the morning after my son was born was hunger….My husband took on another job… but prices of food-stuffs were soaring.…But in those days we could get nothing except the daily ration of half a pound of black bread…Meat and fish were an inaccessible luxury.
Round the town were villages where there were cows and milk, but special police at the railway stations took the milk away from the peasant women who brought it to the town, so as to force them to sell it to the Government organizations for worthless paper money….
Regarding your assertion that the Holodomor is mostly a (mainstream) western propaganda narrative, I disagree. The entire history on the early Soviets/Bolsheviks is largely ignored by the West. It was certainly known, as there were US Senate hearings on the shenanigans of the Soviets/Bolsheviks wherein accusations and observations were made on the non-Russian ethnic character of the leading revolutionaries; the specific details on the culprits – Jews!, then, as now, were mostly obscured/denied to the public at large, particularly in America.
America and England obscures the reality of the true nature of our once great ally, revolutionary Russia. Adolf Hitler said, “It must never be forgotten that the present rulers of Russia are blood-stained criminals, that here we have the dregs of humanity which, favoured by the circumstances of a tragic moment, overran a great State, degraded and extirpated millions of educated people out of sheer blood-lust, and that now for nearly ten years they have ruled with such a savage tyranny as was never known before. It must not be forgotten that these rulers belong to a people in whom the most bestial cruelty is allied with a capacity for artful mendacity and believes itself to-day more than ever called to impose its sanguinary despotism on the rest of the world. It must not be forgotten that the international Jew, who is to-day the absolute master of Russia, does not look upon Germany as an ally but as a State condemned to the same doom as Russia.”
The “Russian” Revolution arrives to Hungary:
An Outlaw’s Diary
Cécile Tormay
Release date: October 9, 2022The crowd approved and failed to notice that the Semitic race was only to be found at the two ends of the queue [bread line], and that not a single representative of it could be seen as a buyer among the crowding, the poor, and the starving…. This was symbolical, a condensed picture of Budapest. The sellers, the agitators, were Jews. The buyers and the misguided were the people of the capital.
Some of us begin to see clearly to-day, though what is happening now happened yesterday too—then in secretive darkness, now in open daylight. The immigrants have effaced the features of our race from the land, have dug out our souls from our national affairs and substituted their faces, their soul. This evil work has been going on for a long time.
On this cloud obscure strangers steal over the Russian border into the heart of Europe and join with those whose features resemble theirs. And there are such in Paris, in London, and in New York too…. They have invaded the greater half of Europe. In Russia, Trotski-Bronstein, Krassin-Goldgelb, Litvinoff-Finkelstein, Radek and Joffe are all-powerful. In Munich, Kurt Eisner is the master and president of the Republic. In Berlin, Beerfeld is at the head of the Soldiers’ Council and Hirsch at the Workmens’. In Vienna the power is in the hands of Renner, Adler, Deutsch and Bauer.
We live in a quagmire and around us Bolshevism is organising more openly every day.
The Ukrainians themselves have shown to be unexceptional in advancement of civilization, self-actualization of economic and technical progress, without the involvement of Russia
So, they were typical Slavs for the subject time period? Much of Russia, outside of West/White Russia, was also considered to be lagging behind the rest of Europe, and that’s precisely why Germans were routinely invited into Slavic Europe to improve living standards.
Your remaining line of reasoning is too randomized, spurious, and peppered with silly questions… Therefore, I will segue into revealing and discussing the question and topic.
I want you to explain to me why you chose NOT to remain in Russia.
Regarding the Topic – I don’t deny that we are deceived, often in great orders of magnitude, on many aspects and accounts of history: slavery; noble savages; USS Liberty; JFK; 911; and of course, Hitler and the “Holocaust,” however upon even a cursory effort of analysis, the inconsistencies and anomalies of the official stories are revealed. But, not so with the Holodomor and the myriad allegations against the Soviets/Bolsheviks/Jews. They overwhelmingly seem to be guilty as charged.
Justus Rosenberg, Shoah “survivor” – “The Soviets destroyed the city [Danzig].”
Rena Drexler, Shoah “survivor” – “The liberators were barbaric [Soviets]. There was rape…”
Agi Day, Shoah “survivor,” Hungary – “No one starved with the Germans.”
Renata Skotnicka, Shoah “survivor” – “Nazis were throwing bread, the Poles took bread from Jews!” “Life was miserable with the Soviets. The Germans were allowing a return to Warsaw, we registered to go back to Warsaw [under German occupation].”
Dario Gabbai, Sonderkommando at Auschwitz, in paraphrase – I hauled thousands of black and blue corpses out of a gas chamber with the hook end of a cane everyday; I shoved them up an elevator shaft to the crematorium where they were stuffed three to four per muffle, per oven, and burned to ash in twenty or thirty minutes.
I have no bee in my bonnet over modern Russia or Putin, but I don’t understand why Russia (or Poland) doesn’t open their archives and reveal the truth about the Monsters Amongst Us? I have no interest in demonizing or supporting Ukraine, but I’m fairly certain that Ukraine is meant to be Israel’s hub in Europe. So, PooBear, meine Kröte am Siberia, explain to me why Russia doesn’t turn on the element that caused/causes so much turmoil amongst the Russian people. Just how many Russians are left in Russia anyway?
Each of these propositions seems to me wrong, at any case as far as Holland is concerned, and I argued against them even taking Goering as my witness (whose notion about the prevailing Dutch attitude was probably based on intelligence reports that had captured underground papers as their source).
Even in the nations defeated and occupied by the Wehrmacht, the local population respected and admired Germany, simply because the German soldiers behaved very well, were good-looking and extremely friendly. …At the same tim until 1945 Europeans were more pro-German than pro-American or pro-English.
…. Hence, without a doubt, most Europeans were with Hitler.
If they weren’t pro-Hitler, they were at least pro-German…
Now Vogel says there were Dutch collaborators, in business as wel as in the bureaucracy – no doubt there were
To say it was likely that there were collaborators, as in Jewish (?), in The Netherlands/Holland is quite an understatement given the well-known history of the opportunistic and speculative spirit of Organized/International Jewry therein. Shall we actually blame the Dutch for the transatlantic African slave trade, thereby obfuscating the overwhelming Jewish role in same as is usually done? I think we should place the historical blames where they belong, which is basically what Hitler/Germany was trying to do before England/America (surreptitiously and through outright lies) sought to maintain the status quo; I’m fairly certain the same can be said for the predations of the Dutch East India Company – not to suggest that no European nation (or ANY other, for that matter) is entirely innocent of expansion and conquest/exploitation, but the disproportionate role of Jewry, as a convenient and practiced international diaspora, is always obscured and/or denied, and Europa then begs forgiveness for “our” singular transgressions, ad nauseam and ad dolorem mortis.
In my opinion, it was a bit like today’s situation in the Middle East – the truth/reality is hidden from the general public via control of media/publishing/money, and Americans have been convinced that Muslim nations have long been trying to take us out, and thank goodness we’ve got an ally, Israel, to help us defend ourselves; why, just look what happened in NY on 9/11, after all.
So, was there a military presence in Rotterdam when the Germans attacked? Were the Dutch responsible or neutral for allowing the RAF to access the Ruhr Valley through Dutch airspace? Were they collaborating or were they neutral, as declared?
local population respected and admired Germany, simply because the German soldiers behaved very well… these propositions seems to me wrong
If one wanders away from mainstream sources, generally, or at least from those kept in the forefront, one finds a much different picture appears, often from the “victims” themselves –
Jean-Paul Charles Aymard Sartre – was a French philosopher, playwright, novelist, screenwriter, political activist, biographer, and literary critic, considered a leading figure in 20th-century French philosophy and Marxism.
In his essay “Paris under the Occupation”, Sartre wrote that the “correct” behaviour of the Germans had entrapped too many Parisians into complicity with the occupation, accepting what was unnatural as natural:
The Germans did not stride, revolver in hand, through the streets. They did not force civilians to make way for them on the pavement. They would offer seats to old ladies on the Metro. They showed great fondness for children and would pat them on the cheek. They had been told to behave correctly and being well-disciplined, they tried shyly and conscientiously to do so. Some of them even displayed a naive kindness which could find no practical expression.
Sartre also wrote – “Not one Frenchman will be free so long as the Jews do not enjoy the fullness of their rights” – so maybe we can believe his statement on the benevolence of the German invaders?
Hester Kool, a Shoah “survivor” from Zandvoort, testified that “nothing really changed upon the initial arrival of the Germans (from her perspective in Zandvoort, of course) other than the beach closures.” Kool also stated that, “the synagogues were destroyed by the Dutch, not the Nazis.” Kool was eventually sent to Amsterdam where she worked in a German sewing factory, and she was paid for her labor. Kool also spoke of significant resistance efforts, particularly assisted by Russian Jews, who took Christian names and operated in churches in Harlem and elsewhere.
I will leave the last word to Mr.Vogel
I won’t speak for Mr. Vogel, but the point, generally, and it’s always the same for anyone who dares to defend Adolf Hitler/Germany is – the established and accepted narrative of German guilt and English/American heroism, (self) sacrifice, and good-will is an utter and absolute Lie. To go fantastically further, one need only familiarize oneself with Judaic/Talmudic literature and history to recognize the Kosher fingerprints all over both 20th century wars. Operation Gomorrah is an appropriate name for the entire century – the Jews tell us, all the time, what they’re up to, but we refuse to believe them. Except for Adolf Hitler/Germany, that is (was).
It was definitely not an example of area bombing.
What?
In military aviation, area bombardment…is a type of aerial bombardment in which bombs are dropped over the general area of a target.
Area bombing is a form of strategic bombing. It can serve several intertwined purposes: to disrupt the production of military materiel, to disrupt lines of communications, to divert the enemy’s industrial and military resources from the primary battlefield to air defence and infrastructure repair, and to demoralise the enemy’s population [Wiki]
It was a bombing mission which sought to cripple railroads and was targeted at such.
Just how precise were targeting capabilities in 1940? Why was information on the “railway” bombing campaign withheld from the British public if it was a legitimate/legal strategy/target? So, how successful was the mission? Was the railroad crippled? Nope. It was successful in that it was a terror attack and an attempt to escalate hostilities/incite the Germans into a greater war rather than remain a territorial dispute with Poland.
Many advocates believed that an aerial campaign against population centers might also affect the enemy’s home front morale. One of the countries embracing this idea was Great Britain, and this shaped the development of the Royal Air Force’s (RAF) Bomber Command…
Bombing cities in the Third Reich as early as May 1940, the RAF hit shipyards and factories located along the Rhine and Ruhr river valleys. However, in these raids RAF crews understood early on that precision strikes from 15,000 to 20,000 feet were impossible. While never the official policy, British bombers targeted entire cities using an area bombardment methodology. [National WW2 Museum]
When I look round to see how we can win the war I see that there is only one sure path. We have no continental army which can defeat the German military power…But there is one thing that will bring him [Hitler] back and bring him down, and that is an absolutely devastating, exterminating attack by very heavy bombers from this country upon the Nazi homeland. [Sir Martin Gilbert, Finest Hour – Winston Churchill 1939-41, pp. 655-656.]
In these circumstances, I considered that I owed it to our German people, and the countless men and women in the opposite camps…to make yet another appeal to common sense, and the conscious of their statesmen. On October 6, 1939, I therefore, once more publicly stated that Germany has neither demanded, nor intended to demand anything, neither from Britain, nor from France. That it was madness to continue the war, and above all, that the scourge of modern weapons of war, once brought into action, would inevitably ravage vast territories. I warned them of the effects of heavy and long range artillery against civilian settlements, which would only lead to the destruction of wide stretches of land on both sides. I warned them of the Air Force, which would bring about destruction of Europe, with its long reach to all which has been built up by centuries of hard work. They declared the peace could not come about until the German Reich was destroyed…[Adolf Hitler]