[You’re a notorious crank and this is not a Balfour Declaration thread. Your subsequent comments will be trashed.]

Ron Unz concluded:

Therefore, the fact that the very small and weak Zionist Jewish faction was won over by the Balfour Declaration had negligible impact on American policy or the course of the war.

Freedman’s claims are worthless and anyone who takes him seriously is an idiot.

Well, perhaps it has slipped your mind, but we’ve been over all this before, and once again I invite you to point out any factual errors in Freedman’s account of the Peace Conference at Versailles.

https://www.unz.com/runz/donald-trump-eugene-debs-and-amlo/?showcomments#comment-6098791

To All Good Men Of Good Will Everywhere
On Our Beautiful Planet Earth:

Prosper; Be Honest And Free,
And Have A Happy New Year 2026!

In relation to the ZOG orchestrated JFK coup d’etat, Sparkie pretends not to see the evidence which is all around him […] A little birdie told me that there was every likelihood that Sparkie was one of the two degenerates featured in that clip.

Liar, liar, pants on fire. starts off the new year with the same old lies.

No, the transliteration “Vikhman” used here by Karl Nemmersdorf is the usual Cyrillic-Roman transliteration standard that also reflects or mimics the Russian pronunciation, and is entirely correct as long as one knows that Russian “и” is transliterated as “i” but in fact is pronounced as “ee” or the same as our English “Long E.”

В и х м а н = V i kh m a n = V ee kh m a n

But I think Yezhov is a better transliteration of Ежов, than Ezhov, for the same reason.

These were collated and finalized by Ezhov, head of the NKVD,

Troof Vigil Auntie wrote:

2) Refused to admit ZOG orchestrated the JFK assassination – despite a deluge of proof that implicates the yids.

I’m still waiting for that “deluge of proof” Troofie, which is all in your deluged and deluded brain. Kindly put up something of merit beyond yet another of your laughable personal attacks, or shut the flap up.

We’ve already got far too many of our own, home-grown American crackpots active here, and certainly have no need for the much-inferior Australian variety.

I will take the opportunity to say again that the multitude of obviously fake videos from 9/11, when coupled with the complete lack of expected (and independently verifiable) jetliner wreckage at any of the alleged 9/11 crash sites, should be all any good analyst needs to arrive at the correct conclusion that there were no real hijacked jetliners on 9/11.

That’s even before one gets to the absurdity of it all: that those wimpy little Arabs were somehow able to overpower big strong American pilots before they could even hit the hijacked button, and then were able to unerringly pilot their hijacked 767s into both Twin Towers while flying at cruising speed and completing acrobatic maneuvers down to 1000 ft. altitude, when these same “student pilots” could not qualify to rent a light plane, and could barely even drive a car!

If further verification is needed, all one need do is consider Pres. Bush’s nonchalance and failure to evacuate Booker School immediately after Card supposedly told him of the 2nd attack on the WTC and that “America is under attack.”

By staying put and taking no action, Pres. Bush not only failed to faithfully discharge his responsibilities as Commander-in-Chief of the United States Air Force, United States Army, United States Navy, and United States Marine Corps — thus committing treason — but he also put himself and everyone else at the Booker School in mortal danger.

What was to prevent another hijacked airliner from crashing into that school at any second, what with a busy intercontinental airport just a few miles away, and President Bush attending a well-publicized event?

Nothing at all except Pres. George W. Bush’s sure knowledge that there were no real hijacked jetliners on 9/11. He knew the whole thing was a false flag attack orchestrated to put the blame on Arabs, and justify the U.S. going into war mode to track them all down.

Pres. Bush subsequently shot himself in the other foot when he lied on at least two occasions, claiming he had watched an airplane crash into the WTC on TV while he was waiting to go into the Booker classroom.

Poor George apparently didn’t realize there was no such live TV broadcast on 9/11 so we can be 100% certain that Pres. Bush was lying.

Liar liar, pants on fire!

Of course, Troof Vigil Auntie is himself a proven liar here at Unz Review, having repeatedly posted a video of some dude at Walmart while falsely claiming it was I, which is simply another type of fake video and another type of lying, i.e. the false accusation, which seems to be the stock & trade of the worst type of humans.

I‘d never heard this before, so thanks for playing it. While Boney M’s “Rasputin” has a pretty good if not somewhat formulaic disco beat for dancing, the lyrics are wretched in both form and substance, pure doggerel crudely perpetuating all the old lies and myths about Rasputin.

I couldn’t understand most of it anyway until I found and read the lyrics online, which seemed a better option than donning earbuds to try and make out what they were singing (see below), but reportedly the energetic dancer, the late Bobby Farrell, never sang and merely growled.

It’s interesting that West German band Boney M had quite a few major hits worldwide, including “Daddy Cool” and “Rasputin,” but only “Rivers of Babylon” ever charted in Billboard’s Top 100, reaching #30 in 1978.

Happy New Year!

https://genius.com/Boney-m-rasputin-lyrics

Lennon: “We (= The Beatles) are more popular than Jesus Christ.” – – – That is the realm in which he failed big style. Imagine is the perfect result – an esthetic crash landing in the realms of kitsch and borrowed superiority. – Imagine as one of the rather influential blue(s)prints for the Woke Mindset.

The arbitrarily stitched-together view of the era from your knitting basket is evident in your failure to understand that Lennon was speaking ironically about the decline of religion in the UK when he made that remark, which the U.S. media took out of context several months later, some portraying it as sacrilegious self-aggrandizement and braggadocio, disinformation that initially infuriated hillbilly Christians in the United States, spreading from the southern U.S. Bible Belt around the world, more proof still that monkey see, monkey do.

Oh come on! Reign rein in your hyperbole.

Oops. Should be “rein in” and not “reign in.”

So are we to take it that a certain Epstein is our latter day Rasputin. There is more to the rhyme in their names, perhaps?

A Dalton School yearbook photo of schoolteacher Jeffrey Epstein shows the name “EPSTINE” written on the blackboard behind him, which is a pretty strong indication, I’d think, of how he wanted his name pronounced, at least at the time.

https://static01.nyt.com/images/2019/07/20/nyregion/12epstein-dalton/merlin_157758243_46470d6f-233b-41b7-9555-b5f674f7584d-superJumbo.jpg

Mr. Epstein in the 1975 yearbook of the Dalton School.
Photo: New York Times

Now all the talking heads are pronouncing Epstein’s name as “EPSTEEN,” which has led you to think it rhymes with Rasputin (Распутин), which Bama, #32 below, thinks is “Razbuteen,” trying to muddy the waters, display his ignorance of Cyrillic, or something, but he’s the same guy who’s accused me recently of covering for Evangelicals — of all the idiotic false accusations one could make — and other nonsense, when I’ve made it perfectly and abundantly clear I’m agnostic, and don’t believe in either Jesus Christ, or the Bible, which are core beliefs of all Evangelicals.

Anyway, It’s conceivable if not plausible that we’re in something of a Wag the Dog scenario, if I understand the plot, where the dirt on The Donald is so dire and deep that he’ll use any available distraction at hand — even war — to keep the Epstein files out of the headlines.

As for Rasputin himself, he was advocating peace, so that made him many enemies.

It’s difficult to imagine any female less attractive than Hillary.

Oh come on! Reign in your hyperbole.

Young Ms. Rodham was certainly no great beauty, and was not attractive to me at all, but she wasn’t a total dog, either, and she had some mildly cute looks when she was young. I’d give her about the same rating as Kelly Clarkson, or about a 6 on the Bo Derek scale of 10.

Judging by this picture, at least, Hillary’s biggest physical shortcomings were her short, thick, unattractive legs, and that round face and head.

But it was her naked will to power that was the glaring liability that turned most of us off to Hillary Rodham Clinton, not her looks.

Audio of excerpts from Hillary Rodham’s 1969 Wellesley commencement speech has no video, but a number of stills of young Ms. Rodham, and she really does come across as a smug, self-righteous, spoiled little snot.

Modern “Enlightened” man couldn’t even come close to building something that majestic and inspiring. Even with all his technology.

Well, with all that gold, Trump would surely like it, but I’m pretty sure your images show Gothic cathedrals that were built in the 12th – 16th centuries.

Many modern historians have been trying to deprecate the term, but the so-called “Dark Ages” were a period of reduced sunshine, cool weather, crop failures, famine, and disease that was brought on by the eruption of one or more volcanoes beginning in 536:

The volcanic winter of 536 was among the most severe and protracted episodes of climatic cooling in the Northern Hemisphere in the last two thousand years. The volcanic winter was caused by at least three eruptions of uncertain origin, with several possible locations proposed in various continents.

In early AD 536 (or possibly late 535), an eruption ejected great amounts of sulfate aerosols into the atmosphere, reducing the solar radiation reaching the Earth’s surface and cooling the atmosphere for several years. In March 536, Constantinople began experiencing darkened skies and lower temperatures.

Summer temperatures in 536 fell by as much as 2.5 °C (4.5 °F) below normal in Europe. The lingering effect of the volcanic winter of 536 was augmented in the years 539 and 540, when another volcanic eruption caused summer temperatures to decline as much as 2.7 °C (4.9 °F) below normal in Europe. There is evidence of still another volcanic eruption in 547 that would have extended the cool period.

The volcanic eruptions caused crop failures, and were accompanied by the Plague of Justinian, famine, and millions of deaths and initiated the Late Antique Little Ice Age, which lasted from 536 to 660

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volcanic_winter_of_536

Gothic cathedrals were built several centuries later during a subsequent period of global cooling with no known cause that was blamed on witches. Commonly called The Little Ice Age, this was the period of relentless bad weather and failed crops when superstitious humans began burning so-called witches at the stake, all with encouragement from the Roman Catholic Pope Innocent VIII and his Papal Bull of 1484 Summis desiderantes affectibus

“Many persons of both sexes, unmindful of their own salvation and straying from the Catholic Faith, have abandoned themselves to devils, incubi and succubi, and by their incantations, spells, conjurations, and other accursed charms and crafts, enormities and horrid offences, have slain infants yet in the mother’s womb, as also the offspring of cattle, have blasted the produce of the earth, the grapes of the vine, the fruits of the trees, nay, men and women, beasts of burthen, herd-beasts, as well as animals of other kinds, vineyards, orchards, meadows, pasture-land, corn, wheat, and all other cereals; these wretches furthermore afflict and torment men and women, beasts of burthen, herd-beasts, as well as animals of other kinds, with terrible and piteous pains and sore diseases, both internal and external; they hinder men from performing the sexual act and women from conceiving … they blasphemously renounce that Faith which is theirs by the Sacrament of Baptism, and at the instigation of the Enemy of Mankind they do not shrink from committing and perpetrating the foulest abominations and filthiest excesses to the deadly peril of their own souls … the abominations and enormities in question remain unpunished not without open danger to the souls of many and peril of eternal damnation.”

— Pope Innocent VIII

Princess Tower and nearby structures, Dubai, UAE

Thank you for the reply. It is obvious that I am not going to change your way of thinking regarding CONtrails vs. CHEMtrails, so I will not even bother to try.

You’re welcome; ‘my pleasure, but you already did try.

In response, I’ve presented enough facts to overturn your mistaken beliefs, but you simply ignore it all with eyes wide shut because obviously those are not the facts you’re looking for.

From my perspective, so-called Chemtrails are in the same category as Flat Earth, Crop Circles, Jesus Christ and CAGW, all of which have their multitudes of true believers and deluded devotees, because, as has been noted in several ways over the years …

“…this planet may be the lunatic asylum of the universe.”

Happy Holidays!

Well, your people fight the wars for them.

Many of my people — my generation — fought in Vietnam; at least the unlucky 2.7 million or so GIs did who drew that bad assignment and got those bad orders, in some cases, to hop out of a helicopter in a hot LZ surrounded and under fire from a bunch of little Vietnamese men shooting at them with AK-47s and RPGs, an assignment and duty I was very happy to have missed while serving in Japan, where the greatest dangers may have been AP Alley, bar girls, booze, cigarettes, and bloody mids.

Somehow, I really doubt very many of those guys hopping into a hot LZ thought they were doing it all for Israel or Jews; at least, I’ve never heard any such thing from the many Vietnam vets I’ve talked with over the years, most of whom have told me their primary purpose in Vietnam was simply to stay alive, and help their buddies stay alive.

Nevertheless, there were certainly sentiments from those GIs who made it home alive about not fighting “another rich man’s war.” Of course, not all the GIs who fought in Vietnam were white, and currently whites make up roughly two-thirds of active duty U.S. armed forces.

"We Won't Fight Another Rich Man's War!!!" – Vietnam Veterans Against the War, circa 1970. [2500×1673]
byu/sverdrupian inHistoryPorn

At the outset of the Second Indochina War, there was certainly quite a bit of old fashioned red, white & blue American patriotism, but that didn’t endure very well or last very long as reports emerged of bloody battles for hills that were almost immediately abandoned after hundreds of GIs had been slain fighting their way to the summit, as occurred in autumn 1967 in the battle for Hill 875 at Dak To, which was really the event and point in time when U.S. public opinion began turning against the war, as its purposelessness was obvious already in the wake of Dak To, which was well before the Tet Offensive several months later that is often cited as the turning point.

https://news.gallup.com/vault/191828/gallup-vault-hawks-doves-vietnam.aspx

I suppose each generation has to fight its own battles and learn its own lessons, but the younger generations now are handicapped by their poor scholarship and resulting ignorance of even basic history, so it’s easy enough for these ignoramuses to play the blame game because they’re apparently too stupid for anything else.

But I don’t get this idea of the White Hive Mind you seem to think exists. Indeed, I’ll again make the point that white people have spent a lot of time and energy fighting and killing each other – witness the war in Ukraine — and I’ve already said or implied many times I think H. sapiens is a flawed, gullible, and warlike species, skilled at deceit, devoted to ritual, prone to self-delusion, and notable especially in its need for revenge.

And of course, it’s not just the white guys of H. sapiens who are violent and warlike, witness China’s invasion of Vietnam in 1979, with thousands perhaps 10s of 1000s of casualties on both sides — all Orientals — but exact figures remain unknown because both sides lie, and the Rwandan Genocide that same year of 1979 when the Hutu slaughtered several hundred thousand Tutsi men, all of them black Africans, and raped almost as many black African women.

But it’s the holidays, so that’s enough murder and mayhem for now.

The Balfour Declaration did not create the monster of 1948 spearheaded by the U.S.

Sure it did. That was one of its primary purposes, which was to drag the United States into WWI (with Untermeyr blackmailing Pres. W. Wilson as described by Benjamin Freedman), which led to Versailles, which set the stage for WWII, during which the Nazis were helping Zionists move to Palestine with good German agricultural equipment via the Transfer Agreement, but the other primary purpose was the creation of the Zionist state itself in Palestine, just as had been predicted by Max Nordau in his 1903 Paris speech, where he laid it all out like the rungs on a ladder: the future world war followed by a peace conference, where with help of mighty England, the Jews would get Palestine.

Good for you for opposing all our wars. Now get up off your duff, look in the mirror and see that you are one of those making excuses for Evangelicals and our false patriotism.

You’re flipping deluded, dude, to think I’m making excuses “for Evangelicals and our false patriotism” or that you’ve got any authority with me, moral or otherwise, but I see you dodged my question about what you did to oppose Bush’s illegal invasion of Iraq in 2003.

For a longer, more detailed discussion about Nordau’s 1903 prediction of a future world war and peace conference where the Jews would get Palestine with England’s help, please see:

https://www.unz.com/runz/donald-trump-eugene-debs-and-amlo/?showcomments#comment-6098791

…or search my comment history for “Nordau”.

You need to alight yourself from your high horse and take responsibility.

Responsibility for what? I wasn’t born in 1917 — nor were many people still alive today — when the Balfour Declaration provided the Zionists with their official ticket of admission to Palestine, which led to the subsequent establishment of the Jewish kingdom there after WWII.

Well, that was in 1947, so sure, maybe I should have jumped out of my crib at that point, sprouted wings like a little angel, and flew off to Washington DC to complain to Pres. Truman about his middle-of-the-night recognition of the newly declared state of Israel when it was still tangled up in its own afterbirth!

Or maybe my pals and I should have jumped on our low horses and rode off to Topeka, Kansas to tell those idiots on the school board there to shut the flub up! back in 1954.

Or I suppose by now I should have just gone back in time to the Civil War era, and fought against the 13th, 14th, and 15th Amendments to the U.S. Constitution, so you’ve got me there…

Alas, back to reality, there wasn’t much I could do in 1973 when Pres. Nixon’s Operation Nickel Grass gave the IAF what amounted to an entire new air force after most of its existing air fleet had been virtually wiped out in a surprise attack by the Egyptian and Syrian air forces.

That critical resupply of the IDF in 1973 seems to have set up what amounts to a nice cash cow for American weapons manufacturers like Lockheed Martin, Northrup Grumman, Raytheon, and Boeing, not that Israel is the only customer of those Merchants of Death, but these days, nobody drops bombs like the IAF!

Mass stupidity has allowed it all to happen.

Sure, and I suppose that’s probably my fault too, but at least I’ve opposed every war Uncle Sam has waged since I got out of the service. I joined millions worldwide in early 2003 protesting Bush’s planned illegal invasion of Iraq.

What did you do?

The world and its humanity turned upside down by American empowerment of Israel and world Jewry.

Not really. The original empowerment of a Jewish state in Palestine came out of the so-called Balfouor Declaration presented by the 100+ strong Jewish delegation at the Paris Peace Accords in Versailles after WWI, and the Balfour Declaration itself originated in Blighty aka Great Britain aka Perfidious Albion, almost exactly as predicted by World Zionist Organization co-founders Theodor Herzl in 1897 and Max Nordau in 1903, neither of whom was American.

Dumb ass whites. Nothing like them. Too late, too bad. Whites just buried themselves.

Trying to blame the victims?

As a white guy, I’m beyond disgusted with this blame game, so please put away your sloppy broad brush, and try instead to work with the accuracy and precision of a technical pen.

Put your pen points on the responsible parties — name names! — and quit playing the lazy man’s identity politics please.

Apparently, you are confusing two separate and distinct subjects – CONtrails and CHEMtrails […] Unlike CONtrails, the paths of CHEMtrails criss-cross at various times, something that normal passenger jet traffic rarely does, since they fly in definite “corridors” and for the most part, the corridors are parallel to each other.

Nope. I’m sorry but ’tis you who’s confused.

I’ve been studying contrails since the late 1970s, when I became convinced that my part of the Midwest was not as sunny as I remembered it from my youth, and after a lot of digging, I discovered the paper by the Univ. of Illinois researchers, which confirmed my worst fears and verified my suspicion that the contrails I had rarely seen in my neck of the woods back in the 1950s had to be the responsible agent for the increasing cirrus cloud cover I had been rather gloomily noticing since returning to the Midwest after being out of the area for a number of years while serving overseas with the USAF.

Contrails do have a chemical composition, of course, so there is that to consider, and living around airports, or especially, working on flight lines, may not be healthy, but the idea that the U.S. Government — or somebody — is intentionally trying to poison us with chemicals in jet exhaust is absurd, as far as I’m concerned.

You are simply mixed up about both contrails, which can form at any altitude, and about commercial jet travel, which is between cities that do not lie in nice neat parallel paths to each other, so of course some flight corridors must cross, but not at the same altitude. .

In your area (Tennessee), you’ve near busy airports in Nashville and Memphis, and are well situated to get cross traffic between, for example, Atlanta and Chicago — two of the nation’s busiest airports — in one direction, and air traffic between Memphis, Dallas, Houston, Phoenix to the southwest, and NYC, Philly, DC etc in the northeast, in the other direction.

https://images.airlineroutemaps.com/maps/Delta_Air_Lines.gif

Delta Air Lines Routes

Of course, that’s just one airline, and pilots don’t really like flying in another jet’s contrail because it reduces visibility, so they’re going to choose a slightly different course and make a new contrail across the sky.

Take a look at Flight Radar sometime:

https://www.flightradar24.com/38.81,-101.59/5

Finally if the U.S. Government or some nefarious entity is intent on poisoning us with chemicals, why not just put these chemicals in the gas of the little USPS putt putts the mail carriers often drive through every neighborhood? Or, better I mean worse yet, why not just put it in our gas? Or even our bottled beer?

Less Filling!

Tastes Great!

Happy New Year!

Trump Floundering Efforts to Shore Up US Hegemony

I don’t disagree with most of Michael Hudson’s criticisms of Pres. Trump here, but “flounder” is an intransitive verb.

So while Trump himself and many of his vain and goofy efforts are indeed floundering, he can’t flounder anything.

But he sure can F___ things Up

The quick and easy fix here is the simple addition of apostrophe s to make Trump “own” or possess the floundering efforts:

Trump’s Floundering Efforts to Shore UP US Hegemony

While Agnostics reject the Bible and Christianity, we do not necessarily rule out the possibility of some cosmic deity or spiritual entities. However, we Agnostics do rule out man’s ability to communicate with any of those things, as well as related claims of visitations, miracles, resurrections, prophesies, and all the rest of that familiar religious tosh.

There may have been cosmic events that impressed themselves on man’s memory as nothing else could, and indeed, the geological record is full of indications of relatively rapid fluctuations in conditions on Earth from the onset of the recession of the last visit of the global ice sheets, beginning roughly 20,000 BCE that were especially noticeable during the so-called Younger Dryas period of rapid temperature fluctuations about 13,000 BCE, which corresponds to the period of rapid extermination and/or extirpation of most megafauna globally, especially in N. America.

Like virtually all stars, our Sun is variable. We have been very fortunate indeed that during its recent cycles, the Sun’s variations have been minor, but that almost certainly has not been the case in the past, nor will it be the case in the future.

Personally, I get along fine without worshiping anything. Your needs may vary, of course.

Merry Christmas!

The thing is the Bush Administration and all subsequent administrations, as well as those previous ones back to at least Johnson, are and were owned lot, stock and barrel by the Mossad and the CIA. I am of course being redundant because the Mossad and the CIA are basically two sides of the same filthy coin.

You’re not being redundant as much as you’re simply making excuses for Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Myers, Eberhard and the other individual 9/11 criminals by pointing fingers at the institutions of the Mossad and CIA, who can’t be taken to court, but in any case, your misleading metaphor entirely overlooks the Mafia, Masons, MI6, and U.S. Military, as well as the many American munitions manufacturers that make most of the airplanes flown by the Israeli Air Force as well as the bombs they drop, all of which makes their corporate cash registers ring like jingle bells.

It really is like Christmas every day when you’re selling arms to Uncle Sam or one of his brothers-in-arms like the IDF.

One this is for sure. The foreign country who most benefitted from 9/11, was Israel by a mile.

In the chaotic and bloody quarter-century since Bush’s 9/11 false flag, the United States has been squandering its wealth, prestige, and young men making war in the Middle East and Central Asia.

Meanwhile, during that same period, China has emerged as a major world economic and military power to challenge the United States as the PLA fields impressive new weapons even as China continues growing its major cities with towering new skyscrapers.

Finally, was it an Israeli TV station that prematurely announced the destruction of WTC 7 on 9/11, or was it the BBC?

On which side of the funky fruitcake are Blighty’s BBC, whose Jane Standley made the premature announcement of WTC 7’s destruction, and the American MSM, which broadcast the phony videos of jetliners crashing into the Twin Towers on Black Tuesday, Sept. 11, 2001?

I must say that we have an eyewitness who said it was a large plane that crashed first. And then as we were watching the live picture here in the studio, we saw a plane crash into the — crash into the other tower of the World Trade Center. And again, let’s to be sure, there it is. There it is, the plane went right through the other tower of the World Trade Center.

— CNN, Sept. 11, 2001

[my bold]

https://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0109/11/bn.01.html

Your fruitcakes may vary, of course.

Of course not. They also had no intention of attacking the U.S.S. Liberty. It was just a terrible mistake. Oy Vey.

Apples and Oranges.

Nobody with any knowledge of the affair disputes the intentional nature of the Israeli attacks on the USS Liberty on June 8, 1967, or the treasonous involvement of U.S. President Lyndon B. Johnson in calling back the fighters sent to help the Liberty in her hour of greatest distress.

I remember it all well because I was on active duty at the time with USAFSS.

As far as I can tell, neither Bush, nor Cheney, nor Rumsfeld nor Myers nor Eberhard are/were Israelis, so I suppose to make it clear for everyone, I should start calling them The Dancing Americans to indicate they were the bad actors who were directly involved in the charade of 9/11, each doing his own little jig in that made-for-TV psychodrama.

9/11 was built around the false pretense that Kamikaze Arabs had hijacked some jetliners and were flying them into buildings on Sept. 11, 2001, except of course the building at Booker School in Sarasota Florida, where Pres. Bush, his party, the schoolkids and teachers were apparently protected from any hijacked jetliners, even those from nearby Bradenton International Airport, by Bush’s Reality Distortion Field, fueled by his sure knowledge there were no real hijacked jetliners, and no real danger that any hijacked jetliner might crash through the roof at Booker any second, so of course there was no need at all for Bush and his party to get their little tail bones on out of there in all due haste, as the hijacked jetliner narrative demanded, because it was all just a charade.

Contrails or “Chemtrails” came up in a previous discussion in the context of AI’s reliability.

https://www.unz.com/article/what-victor-davis-hanson-neglects-to-say-about-pearl-harbor/#comment-7427207

If you’re trying to calibrate an AI, one certainly should not start with a controversial topic like Chemtrails, which I dismiss as an urban legend. Contrails form when atmospheric conditions are right, and the jet is flying high enough for the water vapor in its jet exhaust to freeze.

Yes, that’s correct: contrails (condensation trails) form when hot, humid water vapor from a jet’s exhaust mixes with the extremely cold, low-pressure air at high altitudes, causing the vapor to rapidly condense and freeze around tiny exhaust particles (soot/aerosols) into visible ice crystals, similar to seeing your breath on a cold day.

These trails are essentially artificial cirrus clouds, and their lifespan depends on the air’s humidity and temperature, sometimes lasting minutes and sometimes spreading into larger clouds

— Google AI

That is not to say, however, that contrails are necessarily harmless.

The best place to start with the subject is probably research done at the Univ. of Illinois in the late ’70s and early ’80s showing that contrails from increasing jet travel over the U.S. Midwest had resulted in reduced sunlight reaching the ground in several U.S. states that are often dismissed by coast-to-coast travelers as “flyover states.”

Research conducted by Stan Changnon at the University of Illinois and the Illinois State Water Survey in the late 1970s and early 1980s did investigate the relationship between jet aircraft activity, increased cloudiness (specifically cirrus), and a reduction in incoming sunlight.

Changnon’s 1981 study, and subsequent related research, analyzed records of sky cover, sunshine, and temperature from 1901 to 1977 across a 10-state Midwestern area. The analysis revealed long-term trends of increasing cloudy days and decreasing clear days, with a decrease in the percent of possible sunshine.

Key findings included:

The greatest shifts to cloudier, less sunny conditions occurred after 1960.

This shift was most prominent in an east-west zone across parts of southern Iowa, northern Missouri, northern Illinois and Indiana, southern Wisconsin, and southern Michigan – an area that experienced the highest levels of commercial jet traffic.
The localized changes suggested that the increased cloudiness was likely related to “jet-induced cirrus” (contrails).

Later research, notably a 2002 study published in Nature led by David Travis of the University of Wisconsin-Whitewater (citing work by Changnon and others), further supported the idea that contrails reduce the daily temperature range (cooler days, warmer nights) by reflecting sunlight during the day and trapping heat at night. This research used data from the three days following the September 11, 2001 attacks, when U.S. air traffic was grounded, to show an anomalous increase in the day-night temperature range due to the absence of contrails.

— ibid

Contrail-induced warmer nights have contributed to the Urban Heat Island effect where man-made materials in built-up urban areas retain daytime heat well into the evening hours, skewing the surface temperature record with man-made local warming that has been pressed onto the gullible as man-made global warming.

Extrapolating from these possibilities, as one of the original 9/11 truthers, Trump may be aware the Israelis did 9/11, assassinated JFK, tried to assassinate him twice, and assassinated Charlie Kirk.

There is no good evidence Israel had anything to do with JFK’s assassination, nor with 9/11, so give it up with the broken record already, will you?

It is “original 9/11 truthers” like thyself who have successfully muddied the waters with nonstop nonsense about “Israeli art students” in the WTC, and “Dancing Israelis” in the Doric apartments’ parking lot.

However, I do realize that’s about all we’re ever going to hear at Unz Review, where I’m still waiting for regular UR contributor Dr. Kevin Barrett to acknowledge at long last that those often-cited, so-called “Israeli art students” in the WTC before 9/11 were Austrians and not Israelis, a tainted tidbit that has led many of you astray, just like the so-called “Dancing Israelis” — another favorite mantra of the Deluded Right — who were never observed or reported to have been dancing on 9/11.

Kneeling: yes, but dancing: no.

Well I suppose Ron Unz will be happy to see the first paragraph of this excerpt from Walt Disney’s Wikipedia article, where Disney expressed some Isolationist if not anti-war sentiments, which I certainly missed, as did Copilot. I hadn’t finished reading the lengthy Disney Wikipedia article as I kept getting distracted before I reached the Reputation section near the end, especially by the Animators’ Strike of 1941 and Art Babbit. I don’t know what Copilot’s excuse is:

According to [Neal] Gabler, Disney was apolitical and “something of a political naïf” during the 1930s and he had previously told one reporter – as tensions in Europe were brewing – that America should “let ’em fight their own wars” claiming he had “learned my lesson” from World War I.

Gabler also noted that in late 1939, Disney was going over a scale model of a new studio to be built in Burbank, when one animator suddenly asked him how the recently begun war in Europe would affect its construction, to which Disney responded by asking, “What war?”

During World War II, Disney was actively involved in making propaganda films against the Nazis, both for the general public (such as Der Fuehrer’s Face and Education for Death), as well as educational and training films exclusively for the United States Government.

As early as October 1940 (over a year before America’s entry into the war), Disney began enlisting contracts from various branches of the United States Armed Forces to make training films, and in March 1941 he held a luncheon with Government representatives formally offering his services

“…for national defence industries at cost and without profit. In making this offer, I am motivated solely by a desire to help as best I can in the present emergency.”

These training films contained highly classified information and required the highest level of security clearance to be viewed. If Disney had any previous sympathies toward Nazism, the U.S. Government would have disqualified him from making these films

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walt_Disney
[Reputation]

Screen Cartoonist Guild strike at Disney

At that point in early 1941, the only real “emergency” was at Disney Studios, as both Pinnochio and Fantasia released in 1940 had not been profitable because the war in Europe limited distribution, forcing Disney into the layoffs that sparked the Animators’ Strike.

I think the nattily dressed chap walking the picket line while reading a newspaper is Art Babbitt.

I generally don’t put a great deal of faith in AIs on these sorts of things, but ChatGPT seemed pretty definitive in the answer it gave me:

Ron, ChatGPT43 is worthless for factual information. ChatGPT was never designed to be factual, but it was designed instead simply to pass the Turing Test by pretending to be a very smart human interlocutor, and so it indeed “seems to be pretty definitive” — like any good conman — but ChatGPT43 is known to fabricate “facts” and hallucinate, and now it has led you astray.

Microsoft’s Copilot uses GPT5, and Copilot denies there is any proof that Walt Disney was ever a member of the America First Committee. Copilot also denies that Walt Disney ever himself claimed to be a member of the America First Committee, which aligns with my own Google searches and Wikipedia’s list of members, where Walt Disney’s name does not appear, so it’s another of your nothing-burgers, Ron: Big buns, lots of mustard and relish … but no beef.

So it certainly seems very plausible that Disney could have been a member along with all those other dozens of very prominent individuals who are regularly listed.

If you can find any reputable historical or writer who has ever challenged the claim that Disney was a member of America First then you’ve at least started to raise some doubts.

I can’t for the life of me understand at all why you’re defending this insignificant anthill, when Walt Disney never showed even the slightest anti-war sentiments before, during, or after the war.

Indeed, war work kept Disney Studios afloat during the war, and comprised 90% of its activities during the war, which certainly helped it proper, so if anything, the facts suggest Mr. Disney might even have been quietly pro-war.

The America First Committee never published any membership rolls and its alleged 800,000 membership is merely an estimate, so there’s nothing at all to stick a fork into. It’s a swing and a miss, or an air ball, Ron, leaving you without any proof.

Indeed, Walt Disney’s own statements to the HUAC overturn your argument. Disney said there were so many smears against him during the cartoonists’ strike that it was useless to even try to deny any of it.

[Walt Disney] …and he laughed at me and told me I was naive and foolish. He said, you can’t stand this strike, I will smear you, and I will make a dust bowl out of your plant.

Chairman: What was that?

Walt Disney: He said he would make a dust bowl out of my plant if he chose to. I told him I would have to go that way, sorry, that he might be able to do all that, but I would have to stand on that.

The result was that he struck. I believed at that time that Mr. Sorrell was a Communist […] When he pulled the strike, the first people to smear me and put me on the unfair list were all of the Commie front organizations. I can’t remember them all, they change so often, but one that is clear in my mind is the League of Women Shoppers, The People’s World, The Daily Worker, and the PM magazine in New York. They smeared me. […] and generally throughout the world all of the Commie groups began smear campaigns against me and my pictures.

John McDowell: In what fashion was that smear, Mr. Disney, what type of smear?

Walt Disney: Well, they distorted everything, they lied; there was no way you could ever counteract anything that they did; […] They claimed things that were not true at all and there was no way you could fight it back.

[my edits]

https://www.encyclopedia.com/history/dictionaries-thesauruses-pictures-and-press-releases/testimony-walter-e-disney-house-committee-un-american-activities-24-october-1947

Mangled Language and Idle Amusements Dept.

Why The Neanderthals Human Species Wasn’t More Inferior Then You

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/why-the-neanderthals-human-species-wasn-t-more-inferior-then-you/vi-AA1OqqOO?ocid=BingNewsSerp

My analysis of the takeover of Disney Studios reaches a far different conclusion than either yours or Niceland’s, as I think it had multiple purposes beyond just AAA protection for the nearby Lockheed plant.

First, and of foremost importance, Disney’s artists, set designers, matte painters and other creative personnel played vital roles in designing and erecting camouflage for several aircraft plants, including Lockheed’s.

My Google searches for American First Committee membership rolls have come up completely empty, and both Google and Copilot AIs confirm that the America First Committee never published or made public its membership rolls.

True. The America First Committee (AFC) never published or made public its membership rolls

The organization was decentralized, lacked national membership forms and national dues, meaning leaders did not have one definitive, comprehensive list of all members.

Existing local or national office lists were carefully guarded internal documents, not public information.

Historians estimate the AFC had a peak membership of over 800,000 across 450 chapters.

— Google AI

The Wikipedia article Category: America First Committee members does not include Walt Disney’s name out of just 41 names listed.

Additionally, Copilot responds that Walt Disney never made any public anti-war or pro-war statements before Pearl Harbor, nor did he ever identify himself as a member of the America First Committee.

Microsoft’s Copilot AI uses GPT-5, while the oft-cited ChatGPT43 is known to fabricate facts and hallucinate. However, so far none of the AIs — including Copilot — has passed my tests for accuracy and reliability, as they all insist Lee Harvey Oswald killed Pres. Kennedy, Sirhan Sirhan killed RFK, and Arab hijackers flew jetliners into (and right through!) the Twin Towers of the WTC on 9/11.

That’s why AI, especially ChatGPT43, can’t carry the jockstrap of a good human analyst. Sure, I’ll continue to use AI as a research tool to save time, but because it fails my critical tests, I know it’s not infallible, and I never let it overrule my own knowledge, research or common sense.

But of course you are free to cite any statements Walt Disney made in that period to support your argument that he was “squarely in the anti-war camp.” The fact that I couldn’t find any pro- or anti-war political statements made by Walt Disney before the war, and Copilot couldn’t either, doesn’t necessarily mean such statements don’t exist, or Disney didn’t say what you claim.

AIs have access only to information that has been scraped into their LLM, large language model, so if it wasn’t scraped, the AI can’t know it, and of course the scraping process can’t tell shinola from you-know-what; it just scrapes it all up into the hopper.

My own research indicates that Walt Disney was squarely in both the anti-Communist camp and the pro-cartoonist camp. He told the HUAC that he had over 30 labor unions representing his employees at Disney Studios, so he doesn’t seem to have been the anti-union camp, although there were insinuations later that he was “anti-semitic,” which mostly still had its hyphen in those days so I’ll use it here, and those charges reputably came from the union organizer Disney thought was a Commie, Herbert Sorrell,

The big fact you’re overlooking is that, before Pearl Harbor, most of the American public was “squarely in the anti-war camp” irrespective of whether or not they joined the America First Committee or were outspoken about their views. The Nye Committee had shown that bankers and armaments manufacturers reaped enormous profits from WWI, and suggested that those groups had played a significant role both in igniting WWI and also getting the United States into it, going so far as to label the weapons manufacturers “Merchants of Death.”

Clear proof of any warmongering conspiracy was never presented before the hearings came to an abrupt end after Nye blundered into an accurate but poorly timed attack on Woodrow Wilson, who was still held in high regard at that time.

The investigation came to an abrupt end early in 1936. The Senate cut off committee funding after Chairman Nye blundered into an attack on the late Democratic President Woodrow Wilson. Nye suggested that Wilson had withheld essential information from Congress as it considered a declaration of war. [which was true] Democratic leaders, including Appropriations Committee Chairman Carter Glass of Virginia, unleashed a furious response against Nye for ‘dirtdaubing the sepulcher of Woodrow Wilson.’ Standing before cheering colleagues in a packed Senate Chamber, Glass slammed his fist onto his desk until blood dripped from his knuckles.

Emotions are likely to overrule facts with many humans. So, what’s new? The naked ape not only lies, but also is gullible.

Getting back to the takeover of Walt Disney Studios by the Army, I’ve read a couple passages indicating the actual AA guns were stationed in the hills while their sights were repaired and serviced in workshops at Disney, where the parking lot was also used as the storage site for millions of rounds of AAA ammuniton, which makes complete sense, as was noted above. A smart defender disperses his assets so the enemy can’t kill two birds with one stone, unless you’re pretending to defend Pearl Harbor, of course, when the idiots conspirators thought clustering the battleships and fighter aircraft all together was a great idea to help the Japanese attacks succeed.

Finally, here’s the real immediate reason the U.S.Army wanted Disney Studios:
Operation Camouflage needed artists and set designers to disguise the aircraft plants:

Recall that Disney was the only major motion-picture studio owned by a Gentile, according to copilot. If the plan was to exert maximum pressure on Disney, and force them to bear the brunt of propaganda production, it makes sense to quarter troops there immediately.

According to Walter E. Disney’s testimony to the HUAC in 1947, he was merely

“…one of the owners. Part owner.”

… of Disney Studios in the prewar period, and was virtually broke to boot according to some sources, so there was really no need to “force them” to produce propaganda for the United States, as Walt certainly welcomed the work while claiming he did it all at far less than standard rates purely out of patriotism, even producing one wartime film out of his own pocket, so how broke was he really?

Whatever his real financial situation, and unlike the Hollywood 10, Walt Disney certainly did not hesitate to name names in his testimony to the HUAC in October 1947, even as Disney Studios found the wherewithal in the immediate post-war period to produces a string of movies and animated features, including Song of the South 1946, Cinderella and Treasure Island in 1950, and Peter Pan in 1953, culminating in four Oscar winners in 1954, propelling him to further fame and fortune, if not financing for the Mickey Mouse Club and Disneyland in 1955.

Disney followed up the Oscar- winning The Living Desert with White Wilderness in 1958, which introduced or perpetuated the myth of the suicidal lemmings. Disney’s filmmakers and special effects technicians fabricated the entire thing, spinning the rodents on a turntable and hurling them off cliffs, suggesting that Walt was perhaps a closet control freak all along. Disney seems to have gotten along well enough with his talented inner circle of cartoonists he later designated the “Nine Old Men,” despite the union-organizing and labor-related activities of Herbert Sorrell, whom Disney named to the HUAC as a suspected Communist, an accusation Sorrell later denied while acknowledging he’d accepted money from them.

It needs to be emphasized that the common denominator with Vietnam, Iraq and Venezuela is the Big Lie supported by a host of little lies.

Deceit seems to be an ancient trick deeply embedded in the human genome although some spirit of cooperation and organization was necessary for humans to survive and take down big game by throwing rocks.

The Big Lie in Vietnam was that the United States military had any right or justification for being there in the first place. Ike more or less surrendered any right to intervene in Vietnam when he failed to endorse or support the nationwide elections mandated by the Geneva Accords after Dien Bien Phu fell, which brought 100 years of French colonial rule and the First Indochina War to an end.

But Pres. Truman had set the stage for conflict in Vietnam by turning a deaf ear to Ho Chi Minh’s appeal for help in 1948 and by choosing instead to prop up the French with money and weapons, a policy continued and amplified by Pres. Eisenhower, and criticized by Sen. John F. Kennedy not long before the French defeat, a debacle he was not eager to see the United States repeat, foresight which led to his orders in early October 1963 to withdraw U.S. forces from Vietnam by the end of 1965.

Pres. George W. Bush’s Big Lies were that Iraq and Saddam had WMD, that Osama Bin Laden was responsible for 9/11, and that Arab terrorists flew hijacked jetliners into the WTC on Sept. 11, 2001, when Bush knew full well it was all a charade and there were no hijacked jetliners on 9/11.

I don’t know much about Venezuela at all. What I do know relates primarily to its exotic wildlife as Venezuela’s interior jungles are home to some of the largest Jaguars in S. America, immense Anacondas, Harpy Eagles, and over 100 species of hummingbirds out of 1413 species of birds, and 3,466 different species in all, including H. sapiens, the lying naked ape.

I don’t know anything about Maduro. I suppose that he is corrupt, but corruption is the common denominator of politics and politicians, where people who live in glass houses should not throw stones, and in any case, the United States has absolutely no business and no right at all to be playing judge, jury, and executioner off the coast of Venezuela.

Checking now I see Venezuela’s air force has a small air wing of about 24 Soviet built SU-30s and a few American F-16s, but their operational status is unknown. Venezuela does have a small but nominally credible ground-based air defense system built around the Russian radars and SAMs of the long-range S-300VM, medium-range Buk-M2E, and short-range S-125 Pechora 2M systems, all of which will be likely targets if more hell breaks loose.

I just happened on this discussion but thanks for your knowledgeable comments here about those darn typefaces with hard-to-distinguish O and 0, 1 and I, l and 1 and I.

&c

Sadly, fading eyesight is often a part of getting old, and already I’ve been using a magnifying glass to read the tiny type on many canned or packaged foods.

The Chinese are the masters at creating the delicate little printed instructions with tiny type that accompany many of their manufactured products and electronics, but increasingly, many web designers have fallen victim to the idiotic concept of low contrast web pages with screwy typography, like 3x the ordinary amount of leading.

Fortunately, in Firefox, one can override many of the page’s type and color choices.

With printed material, If it’s too small to read without a magnifying glass, but material I need to read carefully, and refer to repeatedly, I may resort to the expedient of imaging the fool little thing with a digital camera, or scanner for best results, so I can get those wee instructions up on my big, bright PC screen and at least be able to read the instructions.

For web pages, deselecting “Allow pages to … ” under the Advanced button in Fonts, results in the Firefox default serif font of 16 pt Noto Serif being displayed, which is easier on my eyes and generally, by virtue of being slightly heavier, is a little more comfortable to read than UR’s default, which is by no means jarring or unpleasant at all.

Of course, taste varies as does eyesight..

Off the topic of my head, I couldn’t think of any mixed race stars in the NBA, but Sports Illustrated’s recent list of the top NBA players had 7’4″ Victor Wembanyama, of Congolese-French parentage at #5, but also two white European players, 6’11” Serbian center Nikola Jokić at #1, and 6’8″ Slovenian power forward Luka Dončić at #4.

I thought SI’s #3 — 6’11” Giannis Antetokounmpo — might have mixed parentage, but although he was raised in Athens, both his parents are Nigerian.

The rest of SI’s Top 10 are native American black men of varying shades, ranging from #8, legendary 6’8″ power forward LeBron James to obviously lighter-skinned 6’8″ Jayson Tatum #7, who nevertheless was born to black biological parents, although further genealogical info about Tatum is not immediately available, and like the proverbial ni__er in the woodshed, the less-well-known but occasional cracker in the crib cannot be ruled out.

It should be emphasized, however, that the natural skin color of Africans varies by geographical location, and I hope I can find a good map to show that….

https://d3soczie7cpumn.cloudfront.net/tools/banneker/img/skincolor.png.

Finally, “The Donald” Pres. Trump seems to be completely white or, on occasion, almost orange.

the three of these intellectuals are true believers in the 60s liberalism that gave us the Hart-Cellar Immigration Act and the Civil Rights (for some) Act.

You must mean the 1860s, when the 13th, 14th and 15th Amendments were passed, or maybe you really mean the 1950s, when the Supreme Court ruled segregation of schools was unconstitutional in 1954 in Brown v. Board of Education, Topeka.

Or 1957, when Pres. Eisenhower backed up the Court’s decision and enforced the integration of Little Rock HS by sending in elements of the 101st Airborne and federalizing the Arkansas National Guard after Arkansas Gov. Orval Faubus had tried to use it to prevent the Little Rock 9 from entering the school and attending classes.

And of course, what your so-called “60s liberalism” really gave most of us was the double-whammy of JFK’s assassination and the war in Vietnam.

I know enough about the topic not to need AI crutches like an intellectual ninny running to mommy for The Truth.

I agree the war was a total shit show and disgrace and basically ruined the country.

The Boomer “Chickenhawk” trope is amusing

Give a rest with your cheap shots, slick. I was on active duty in the Air Force ’64 – ’71, and was reading and writing classified reports as part of my daily routine. You’re simply a deluded little fool in my eyes, who has no firsthand knowledge or experience coupled with a luddite-like disregard for modern tools. Sorry if it blew your claim out of the water, but I merely use AI as Ron Unz himself recommended to save time, verify facts and refute nitwits trying to bend the truth, like yourself, who, it should be noted, rarely post any sources to support their claims.

The U.S. withdrew because it had failed to defeat N. Vietnam after getting 58,220 GIs killed in a war that was never ours to begin with, after losing “almost” 10,000+ aircraft while dropping 3x the tonnage of bombs on N. Vietnam as it dropped on Germany during WWII, after killing millions of N. Vietnamese and defoliating millions of acres of pristine forest and killing untold numbers of wildlife, after losing most support for the war on the homefront and alienating most of the world, while accomplishing absolutely nothing of merit beyond lining the pockets of a few fat cats, and dividing the country with pro-war propaganda to the extent that, 50 years later, people are still casting out all the same old pro-war arguments that have been refuted over and over, but still you go on with it, like some young punk trying to lecture an old salt about the war.

The North did not capitulate, but keep on spinning BS, dude, like you’re some authority.

In the past, I’ve been chided for not using AI, on one occasion, and accused of being an idiot for using AI on another occasion, but just for the record, here’s the gist of the Copilot AI’s take on your claims.

Sparkon: … there are still people claiming the US won in Vietnam and the North capitulated where it was the US negotiating to withdraw while trying to make it appear honorable.

Microsoft Copilot AI: You’re absolutely right to be skeptical of that claim.

The historical record is very clear:

The Paris Peace Accords were not a North Vietnamese surrender — they were a negotiated U.S. exit strategy dressed up as “peace with honor.”

Here’s why the “U.S. victory” narrative doesn’t hold up:

–U.S. withdrawal was the centerpiece: The accords required all American combat forces to leave Vietnam within 60 days. That was the main concession.

– North Vietnamese forces stayed put: Crucially, the accords allowed North Vietnamese troops already in South Vietnam to remain. That’s not capitulation — it’s consolidation.

– Political future left unresolved: The agreement punted the question of South Vietnam’s government to “free elections,” which never materialized. This ambiguity favored the North, who knew Saigon’s regime was unstable.

– Outcome speaks volumes: Within two years, North Vietnam launched a successful offensive, capturing Saigon in 1975. If they had “capitulated,” they wouldn’t have been in a position to win outright.

The U.S. framed the deal as “peace with honor” to soften the optics of withdrawal, but in reality it was a strategic disengagement that left the North in a stronger position.

It’s fascinating how narratives persist decades later. Some cling to the idea of victory because admitting defeat in Vietnam challenges national pride. But the facts — withdrawal terms, troop presence, and eventual unification under Hanoi — make it clear the North never capitulated.

Would you like me to lay out a side-by-side comparison of U.S. vs. North Vietnamese gains from the accords? That often makes the imbalance crystal clear.

Your AI may vary of course, but the Paris Peace Accords should not, so I think you should have taken your own advice before rattling your keyboard with shopworn special pleading about the U.S. withdrawal from a war that was not ours to fight, just as Pres. Kennedy had said.

Vietnam was a total flaming waste that had no positive outcome and tore the country apart, largely because of idiots like you, although I suspect you’re yet another chickenhawk who probably wasn’t even alive at the time.

It forced the comms to the negotiating table, where they capitulated, ending the war favorably for the US.

You don’t know what you’re talking about.

The United States of America was the party trying to negotiate its way out of the war in Vietnam, not the North Vietnamese.

The North never capitulated, nor was that ever even under discussion.

After Linebacker II, the United States ended up accepting the terms it had offered in October, before Linebacker II, so I suppose the cynical wag might quip that the result of the LB II bombing missions was to force the Americans to accept their own earlier offer.

And so at last the bitter end, and all of it for what?

It’s not a disparity if you look at the number of sorties by each side.

I‘ve already been over all this.

AAA and SAMs — which accounted for 91% of U.S. aircraft losses — did not fly sorties!

The war on the Eastern Front was decided on the ground, not in the air, when the Red Army — despite massive losses — marched into Berlin and planted its flag on the Reichstag.

The Japanese never had any chance of defeating the United States in WWII, and certainly the Kwantung Army and related IJA formations in China never came close to conquering China, even while Mao and Chiang squabbled.

The depleted Kwantung Army was completely steamrolled in a matter of days by the Red Army in 1945, and no doubt fear of a Soviet invasion of Hokkaido and/or the Tohoku region of N. Honshu played as much a role in the Japanese surrender as did fear of an American invasion or another A-bomb.

There are a number of factors in the war winning equation, but your expertise is looking at them in isolation, which will prevent you from ever arriving at the correct answer.

10k [sic] American aircraft weren’t lost. Your numbers are wrong. Even if you include helicopters you only get to 8,500. You’re wrong. Even the N Vietnamese military said the US won the air war. You stand alone. I don’t care.

Only [?] 8,500 U.S. aircraft losses in Vietnam, but you don’t care.

In total, the United States military lost in Vietnam almost 10,000 aircraft (3,744 planes, 5,607 helicopters and about 1,000 UAVs.)

— Wikipedia

3,744 + 5,607 + 1,000 = 10,351

QED

Even if you exclude aircraft like helicopters and UAVs that were shot down in Vietnam, the loss ratio among just airplanes is still ~25 to 1 in favor of the NVAF, although, as I’ve said more than once, most U.S. aircraft losses in Vietnam were due to AAA and SAMs, and did not result from air-to-air combat.

As it turned out, the MiG-17 had a tighter turning radius than most U.S. fighters, making it a worthy and dangerous opponent in tight air-to-air combat, while the USAF in its wisdom had decided that aerial dogfights really were a thing of the past, and so its newest jet fighters didn’t even need guns!

Still, despite the USAF generals’ mistaken beliefs and woeful tactics, the NVAF air wing was small, and could not hope to stop the very large air forces employed in and over Vietnam by the USAF, USN and USMC, but served mostly to harass them here and there, while the NVAF’s real killing power was concentrated in its AAA and SAM batteries, which included upgraded, jammer-resistent SA-2F models with improved radars, which did indeed shoot down many U.S. aircraft, but — it must be admitted — never could stop the USAF from bombing all the jungle it wanted.

Think of the trees …

In the USAF, one noticeable effect of the war in Vietnam was an influx of lower quality enlistees seeking only to escape the draft and Vietnam, which was in direct contrast to typical USAF enlistees before the Gulf of Tonkin incident, who, like myself, had signed up to learn a worthwhile skill, see some of the world, and to earn both an Honorable Discharge and the G.I. Bill.

Things didn’t work out exactly as I had hoped with respect to the skills I was asked to learn, as Uncle Sam had other plans for me beyond electrical engineering, but outside that big disappointment, I was able to realize all of my enlistment objectives, and at least Uncle Sam never asked or ordered me to exit a helicopter in a hot LZ!

Most studies have concluded that mongrel dogs are more healthy and live longer than purebreds, but small dogs of any kind usually outlive the larger ones.

Yes, but humans are not dogs.

At best, there were a mere handful of human precursors, while the dog’s ancestors probably number in the dozens, if not all told hundreds of various small cursorial omnivores and scavengers that followed predators around and were able to subsist on their scraps. The animals were tolerated not only because they helped control vermin, but also primarily because they sounded the alarm when anything dangerous approached.

Dogs bark. Wolves don’t.

As I see it, dogs are not monophyletic as the term is commonly understood nor is the dog descended from the wolf, as many think.

Because the dog had so many ancestors, breeders are able to resurrect some of their characteristics by selective breeding.

Anyway, getting back to H. sapiens, I really don’t see much evidence that interbreeding of the races has had many beneficial results. I don’t really see it in sports, and I certainly don’t see it in beauty, where to my eyes at least by far the most attractive women are northern and eastern European blondes and brunettes, many with green or blue eyes. Certainly, we have many fine examples of those types here in the United States, and thank goodness for large favors!

Your taste may vary of course.

Yes, and don’t forget LBJ’s pals Brown & Root who made a bundle building infrastructure for U.S. forces in Vietnam, including the sprawling air bases.

Let’s not forget Olin Mathieson and other ball powder manufacturers who were sitting on mountains of ball powder left over from Korea and even WWII, which found its way into M16A1 ammunition in place of the recommended extruded stick ammunition around which Eugene Stoner had designed the AR-15 in the first place!

The change from stick to ball power was probably the major factor causing early M16A1s to jam in firefights with deadly results for many GIs in the early days of the war.

But the AR-15 and early M16s had performed virtually flawlessly during field tests in Vietnam without and before the Army Ordinance Corp’s 20-some changes not communicated to designer Eugene Stoner, including tragically its ball ammunition that burned much dirtier than Stoner’s recommended stick ammunition and caused the M16A1 to jam, leading to the deaths of many young American GIs who’d been issued the defective weapon.

Needless to say, the defective M16A1 had a detrimental effect on morale, not that it was the only factor battering morale of U.S, forces in Vietnam, which declined steadily over the entire fiasco, with fraggings, racial tension, and outright refusal by entire units to obey orders providing shocking evidence of widespread decline of discipline and morale in U.S. forces by 1973, which is reflected in this New York Times article from 1971.

https://www.nytimes.com/1971/09/05/archives/army-is-shaken-by-crisis-in-morale-and-discipline-army-is-shaken-by.html

As was pointed out, your numbers are wrong. Significantly wrong. Wrong also, is your understanding of air war.

No, my numbers aren’t wrong at all, as I’ve already pointed out to Ron Unz, and those numbers are backed up by virtually every published report I’ve seen. All those reports, articles and statistics say much the same thing, i.e. the U.S. lost almost 10,000 aircraft in Vietnam, including the Wikipedia article I linked in my original comment #154 in this side discussion.

You’re a dedicated Soviet citizen, I’ll give you that.

You’re stooping pretty low talking to an American citizen and USAF veteran that way. You must be desperate, but have you no shame?

Incidentally, slick, what did you do during the Vietnam conflict? I’d bet you’re a chickenhawk who’s never even served.

Sure, and that’s why I wrote in my comment #154

“It’s a little-known fact that the U.S. lost the air war over Vietnam with almost 10,000 U.S. aircraft shot down…”

[bold added]

I linked that comment to the Wikipedia article “List of Aircraft Losses of the Vietnam War,” where one can read:

In total, the United States military lost in Vietnam almost 10,000 aircraft (3,744 planes, 5,607 helicopters and about 1,000 UAVs.)

I usually try to qualify the 10,000 number to indicate it’s an approximation, but you jumped on my oversight there. Nevertheless, keep in mind that the official U.S. statistics about U.S. aircraft losses in Vietnam are themselves suspect anyway.

An aircraft is any vehicle capable of flight, and as I say, almost 10,000 aircraft is a lot.

N Vietnam couldn’t put a craft in the air. The reason the US lost more aircraft is because it had more craft in the air..

No. The reason the United States lost 66x more aircraft than the North lost is because the United States lost the air war in Vietnam.

Obviously, you are trying to whistle past the graveyard by pretending that AAA and SAM kills don’t count, or something, in a vain attempt to ignore those facts that destroy your argument, but I’ll repeat what I wrote recently:

Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored.

— Aldous Huxley

And I repeat yet again that NVA anti-aircraft artillery (AAA) destroyed 60% of those ten thousand-some U.S. aircraft lost during the war, while NVA surface-to-air missiles (SAM) destroyed 31%, and NVAF MiGs did account for just 9% of U.S. aircraft losses.

It didn’t matter how the NVA shot down 10,000 U.S. aircraft — as you seem to think — but what did matter was how many U.S. aircraft were shot down, and losing 10,000 aircraft is a lot of aircraft, and an enormous loss amounting to defeat, no matter how you, or SAC or anyone else tries to wriggle out of it.

You are the first military historian I’ve come across, ever, to claim the US lost the air war in Vietnam. The first.

North Vietnam lost about 150 aircraft in the war, while the United States lost about 10,000 aircraft over Vietnam, which is a staggering disparity, but you claim the United States won the air war.

150 : 10,000

How does that even compute?

It doesn’t, and I’d call it the Emperor’s New Numeracy

Despite ongoing and sometimes intensive USAF attempts to destroy the North’s SAM sites and degrade its SAM capability starting in 1965, including new anti-missile weapons, aircraft, tactics and jammers, the North was still able to shoot down a number of B-52s during the climatic operation Linebacker II in Dec. 1972.

The Air Force claims 15 B-52s were lost during Linebacker II, while the North claimed to have shot down 34. Some sources put the number at about 25, but whatever the actual tally, the U.S. had failed to wipe out the North’s SAMs as its participation in the war came to an end.

Of course, there was more fallout and backlash from Linebacker II than the material and personnel losses:

In the U.S., Nixon was criticized as a “madman”, and some of the people who supported Operation Linebacker I questioned the necessity and unusual intensity of Operation Linebacker II.

Newspaper headlines included: “Genocide”, “Stone-Age Barbarism” and “Savage and Senseless“.

The USAF Strategic Air Command (SAC) made some serious mistakes, suffered serious losses and their campaign came close to failure, yet after the war they launched a massive media and public relations blitz (and internal witch hunt) to prove that Linebacker II was an unqualified success that unfolded as planned.

Uh huh. Obviously, SAC’s PR blitz successfully targeted empty heads better than it targeted SAMs.

Beyond that, it would not have been impossible for the North to acquire and deploy even more SAMs. No doubt, the USSR would have been delighted to supply the North with improved SA-2s, as the reasoning in the Kremlin surely would have been that every B-52 shot down over Vietnam was one less B-52 for the PVO to contend with in the event of a SAC attack on the Soviet Union.

It’s a lot easier to manufacture a SAM than it is to build a B-52, and in any case, the B-52 production line had been shut down after the last 14 H models were built in 1963, bringing total production to 742, so I suppose a real cynic might say it’s a good thing the United States got out of Vietnam when it did or SAC might have started running out of B-52s and/or pilots willing to fly them over Vietnam.

Currently, the USAF is said to operate 76 B-52s out of its 138 strategic bombers in service, including the B-1B Lancer, and B-2 Spirit.

… the U.S. lost the air war over Vietnam with almost 10,000 U.S. aircraft shot down, while… the North Vietnamese lost about 150 aircraft.

The US lost the air war? You’re joking right? Operation Linebacker II ended N Vietnam’s ability to defend the country from air attack.

So you say without any proof. In any case, Linebacker II was the last U.S. military operation of the war, and obviously also the last hurrah of B-52s over the north. They never returned, an inconvenient fact making your claim about the NVA’s complete loss of antiaircraft capability pure speculation, which is not borne out by previous results, i.e. the USAF had not been able to knock-out the NVA’s AA capability, witness the B-52 losses during Linebacker II.

“Peace is at hand,” but it wasn’t. The USAF acknowledged losing 16 B-52s in the ’72 Christmas Bombings that shocked, horrified and disgusted many Americans after Kissinger’s rosy prognostication, while the North claimed to have shot down 34 of the heavy bombers taking part in Linebacker II. The USAF had devious accounting practices that allowed it to disguise aircraft that had to be written off as merely “damaged,” so it’s been estimated actual B-52 losses during Linebacker II were about 25, which resulted in 63 fatalities among aircrew with another 63 airmen taken into captivity as POW.

It must have been great holiday news for the wives, children, and girlfriends of the B-52 pilots and aircrew whose planes got shot down, never mind the Vietnamese who got killed by the bombs.

In my book, an overall 1 : 62 kill ratio is an irrefutable indicator of loss, not victory.

You can’t read so there’s little merit in trying to have a rational discussion with you, but your stubborn insistence that the United States really won in Vietnam is apt testimony both to the depth of the divide that polarized the country during the war, and also the fact that division remains a half-century on in a few diehards like thyself who refuse to face facts.

The U.S. only entered the war after betraying the indigenous anti-Communist groups and eventually appointing under President Diem the “former” head of Ho Chi Minh’s National intelligence who quickly killed any anti-Communist leaders.

The real betrayal was U.S. Pres. Eisenhower’s refusal to endorse and support the nationwide elections in Vietnam mandated by the Geneva Accords that brought the First Indochina War to an end after the French defeat at Dien Bien Phu in 1954, thus setting the stage for 20 more years of war, 58,220 American casualties, 10,000 U.S. aircraft shot down, complete polarization of American citizens over the war, and a financial cost difficult to compute, but estimated between $146 — $890 billion.

https://www.thebalancemoney.com/vietnam-war-facts-definition-costs-and-timeline-4154921#:~:text=The%20Vietnam%20War%20cost%20$168%20billion%2C%20or,$28.5%20billion%20in%20aid%20to%20South%20Vietnam.

https://sgp.fas.org/crs/natsec/RS22926.pdf

Of course, Ike didn’t want the nationwide elections in 1955 because he knew what most Vietnamese experts knew — Ho and the Communists would win.

1. The US defeated N Vietnam militarily. The NVA lost every major battle…

Your head is full of nonsense. It’s a little-known fact that the U.S. lost the air war over Vietnam with almost 10,000 U.S. aircraft shot down, while leaving the landscape littered with unexploded U.S. bombs, and dead GIs, to mention only in passing millions of dead Vietnamese. Meanwhile, the North Vietnamese lost about 150 aircraft.

Battles like Dak To can hardly be called U.S. victories.

U.S. Marine Corps General John Chaisson questioned

“Is it a victory when you lose 362 friendlies in three weeks and by your own spurious body count you only get 1,200?” 

Major General Charles P. Stone, who succeeded Peers as commander of the 4th Infantry Division on 4 January 1968, later described the methods that U.S. commanders had previously used in the highlands as “stupid.” Stone was particularly critical of Schweiter and his performance at Dak To.

“I had the damnest time (after my arrival in Vietnam) getting anybody to show me where Hill 875 was,”

[…]
Operations in and around the Central Highlands including previous battles at Hill 1338 had rendered the 173rd Airborne combat ineffective, and they were ordered to Tuy Hòa to repair and refit. The 173rd was transferred to Camp Radcliff in An Khê and Bong Son areas during 1968, seeing very little action while the combat ineffective elements of the brigade were rebuilt.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Dak_To

I happened to be playing in a basketball tournament at Camp Zama near Camp Drake in Dec. 1967, when I met a couple of the walking wounded from the 173rd who were being treated for arm wounds at one of the hospitals in the Sagamihara complex outside Tokyo. They told me about the Battle of Dak To from their perspective as infantrymen who had participated in the assault on Hill 875, only to have U.S. Forces abandon the hill once it had been taken, finding that the PAVN had already skedaddled.

I asked why Hill 875 had been so important, and the two veterans of the bloody battle just shrugged.

I think my skepticism about ‘Nam began at that point, but of course being on active duty, I kept my growing doubts about the war to myself and my lips buttoned for a few more years until I was at last a civilian with an Honorable Discharge taking classes on the GI Bill, where I joined the campus Vets Club to get some part time work, and found that my fellow vets were — to a man — against the war, not because we had won, but because we had lost.

However, the possibility exists that – maybe in exchange for help with rent payments – they hooked up with other folks who needed space to store those BB 18 boxes.

In the first place, Gelatin didn’t pay any rent. Along with a number of other groups claiming to be artists, such as E-TEAM, they had been granted residency in the WTC as part of the Lower Manhattan Cultural Council’s World Views and Studioscape program that had been running for about 4 years before 9/11.

In March 2001, E-TEAM illuminated 127 windows in WTC 2 to spell out their name exactly where UA175 would later seemingly strike the skyscraper six months later.

Image: PBS

Reportedly, Gelatin was on the 91st and 92nd floors of WTC 1, at the very least, along with all those boxes of BB 18s, and additionally had construction passes apparently giving them the run of the building.

On September 11, 2001, AA11 allegedly struck floors 93 – 99 of WTC 1.

According to Mark Dotzler’s article, “Thoughts on the WTC Artists”, Gelatin had direct access to the 91st and 92nd floors of WTC 1, along with construction passes that gave them 7-day access and allowed them to move all kinds of materials in and out of the buildings. There seems to have been nothing preventing Gelatin members from going wherever they wanted and doing whatever they chose.

So Gelatin built the B-thing, had all those boxes of BB 18s, had free movement around and into and out of the building, removed at least one window from WTC 1, and one of them was photographed wearing climbing gear, while standing in their studio space near a mail bin marked “Property of U.S. Postal Service.”

Certainly, none of that should raise any suspicions at all. Heck no. After all, these guys were just your everyday, run-of-the-mill, weird Austrian faggots pretending to be artists who coincidentally were removing windows — at least one — from the WTC and thereby gaining access to the building’s exterior with the B-thing, maybe simply for cheap thrills, or perhaps for far more sinister purposes, like wiring the building to blow-out an airplane-shaped hole in the building’s facade that helped convince so many that hijacked jetliners really did fly into the WTC, if not “…right through it!”

I know from frame-by-frame analysis of certain acclaimed 9/11 videos, such as Kevin’s, that the airplane-shaped hole had not yet appeared on WTC 2 even after the image of the jetliner had disappeared into the image of the skyscraper, and before there was even a fireball.

So, it was one of those pesky timing problems that arise when trying to coordinate live action with pre-recorded video that is nevertheless not at all apparent when viewed in real time, i.e. what everybody saw on their TVs on Sept. 11, 2001.

It seems that you have removed Gelatin from your list of 9/11 suspects simply because they aren’t Israelis, and/or because they are so weird. Okey Dokey, but I see too you believe 767s really did crash into the WTC on 9/11, so I suggest you’ve got a lot of work to do if you are really seeking the truth, and I hope this comment will be helpful to you in that regard.

Because for you falling in its own footprint means all the debris neatly collects in that footprint and that’s it. Sure, baby, pigs can fly and th [sic] TT exploded far ans [sic] wide.

Not only just for me, but for anyone who understands plain English, words have commonly understood meanings, and “into its own footprint” has an exact meaning, not only solely in the demolition business, where buildings are dropped precisely into their own footprints in order to avoid damaging neighboring structures, but also in common parlance, where “into its own footprint” means exactly what it says.

“Into its own footprint” does not mean “outside its own footprint,” as you seem to think.

Perhaps this is a good point to remind readers of what the wise Chinese sage – known in the West as Confucius – had to say about the importance of accuracy in language in his Rectification of Names:

A superior man, in regard to what he does not know, shows a cautious reserve. If names be not correct, language is not in accordance with the truth of things. If language be not in accordance with the truth of things, affairs cannot be carried on to success. When affairs cannot be carried on to success, proprieties and music do not flourish. When proprieties and music do not flourish, punishments will not be properly awarded. When punishments are not properly awarded, the people do not know how to move hand or foot. Therefore a superior man considers it necessary that the names he uses may be spoken appropriately, and also that what he speaks may be carried out appropriately. What the superior man requires is just that in his words there may be nothing incorrect.

— Confucius, Analects, Book XIII, Chapter 3, verses 4–7, Analect 13.3, translated by James Legge

The superior man also knows this:

“Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored.”

–Aldous Huxley

Try to be a superior man, Ernesto, and quit spreading disinformation.

Well, who then did the sapper work to place the explosives for the 9/11 controlled demolition? Cui bono? And who were the Dancing Israelis? Surely you’re not going to deny their existence.

Obviously, the Gelatin weirdos are prime suspects for playing some role in the pyrotechnics of 9/11 to simulate a plane crash into the Twins, and/or planting the explosives that actually blew the buildings apart, irrespective of whatever nationality they are. I mean, have you looked at some of their drawings and scribbling related to the Twin Towers, or the B-thing?

To me, the Gelatin guys come across more like queer mechanical engineering students on acid than artists, and indeed removing a window in the Twin Towers was not a trivial task, but one that required specialized equipment in the form of a big suction cup used to pull the rather heavy window back into the building after a number of fasteners and a frame were removed, if I recall the details accurately. so it’s entirely within the realm of possibility that those Gelatin guys were actually sappers in the guise of court jesters. However, as I’ve argued, whoever blew up the Twin Towers did so without any concern about collateral damage, unless that too was part of the 30-year old conspiracy all along, i.e. to rake in as much money as possible with insurance claims.

Repairs on just the Art Deco Verizon Building adjacent to WTC 1 amounted to $1.4 billion.

The so-called Dancing Israelis were entirely real, but what exactly they were up to is not crystal clear in my view. It is conceivable that they did have advance knowledge of the WTC attacks and were in position in the Doric parking lot to record the whole shebang from the kneeling position atop their van, which is exactly what we would expect the Mossad to do … or not.

It seems there was enough hysteria and exaggeration and possibly planted false reports in media accounts about the white vans on 9/11, that one van turned into two, and one of them was filled with explosives, which it wasn’t.

It is also entirely conceivable that Dominic Suter and his Urban Moving Systems were simply a fairly typical Israeli movers / schlepping racket, where big charges get tacked on when the movers show up after a lowball upfront estimate, and so the victim’s furniture ends up held hostage in storage until the victims of the scam come up with the extra money. Of course, being involved in that moving racket — if that’s what it was — doesn’t necessarily rule out involvement in or foreknowledge of 9/11, but there’s really not much very solid to stick a fork into.

Thanks Ron.

Yeah, the double blockquotes and [more] tag and huge image were all suspect, but at one point I tried deleting everything but the link to the article about the insurance claims, but still I couldn’t get it to post, so I suppose I should strip that link out too and try it again.

Ron Unz:

In the past you’ve claimed to be unaware that anyone’s comments were being deleted, but I am quite certain it happened to me yesterday 11/30/2025 when I tried to respond to Ernesto Che’s comment here:

https://www.unz.com/kbarrett/false-flag-thanksgiving-eve-dc-shooting-highly-suspicious-heres-why/#comment-7404316

And it’s happened again first thing this morning when I tried to post that same comment again, and once again it has disappeared without even going into moderation.

I know you cannot possibly moderate all the many comments here, so have you ever considered the possibility that you’ve got a rogue moderator?

I’ll try again now to post my comment on the open thread and see what happens, but I would appreciate a response from you on this issue.

Insurance claims of over $4 billion were made for damages on 9/11 to structures entirely outside the WTC proper.

Wrong. Larry Silverstein is a Jewish American businessman from New York. Silverstein…blah blah blah

You’re talking through your hat, slick. What Larry Silverstein did or didn’t do has absolutely no bearing at all on the points I was making about insurance claims for damage done to structures outside the WTC proper, which also neatly demonstrates that at least some of the debris from the Twin Towers did not fall into their respective footprints, and also that you’re a troll.

According to the Insurance Information Institute (III), 9/11 was the largest claims payout in global insurance history. The terror attack produced insured losses of about $32.5 billion; the cost exceeded only by Hurricane Katrina.

https://www.claimsjournal.com/news/national/2011/09/09/190969.htm

Larry Silverstein was awarded about $4.7 billion, if memory serves.

Here’s a list of buildings damaged or destroyed on Sept. 11, 2001:

• Greek Orthodox Church (155 Cedar St.) – Full collapse
• North Bridge (from Winter Garden to WTC 1) – Full collapse
• 2 World Financial Center (125 West St.) – Major Damage
• 3 World Financial Center (200 Vessey St.) – Major Damage
• Winter Garden Atrium – Major Damage
• 1 Bankers Trust/Deutsche Bank (130 Liberty St.) – Major Damage, demolished
• 120 Cedar St. – Major Damage
• Engineering Building – Major Damage
• 130 Cedar St. – Major Damage
• 90 West St. – Major Damage
• 140 West St. (Verizon Bldg.) – Major Damage
• 45 Park Place – Major Damage
• 30 West Broadway (Fiterman Hall) – Major Damage, demolished

People sometimes ask why it’s called “Ground Zero.” The simple answer is because there was almost nothing there where the Twin Towers had once stood, certainly no massive debris heap that would have been there had the Twin Towers really fallen into their own footprints. The absence of debris heaps is what led Dr. Judy Wood to formulate her Directed Energy theory, which I do not endorse.

And the photo was taken with Ground Zero still smoking, obviously long before any steel from the WTC was shipped off to China, Ernesto Che, so save your cheesy sophistry for your fellow dimwits and disinfo agents.

Image: CBS Production News

Below the MORE, super large NOAA image of the WTC site taken after 9/11 with numerous cranes visible and cleanup well under way, yet a large number of the box-column sections are clearly visible scattered widely in and out of the WTC, showing holes punched in the Winter Garden Atrium, several hundred feet from WTC 1…

I‘ve been over all this about Bldg. 6 several times at Unz Review, Carlton, but I guess you missed it. Previously, I wrote:

Structural elements from WTC 1 can be seen at the bottom of the “hole” in the overhead image of WTC 6 in the form of the external box-column “chex” sections. The simplest explanation is that debris falling or ejected from WTC 1 punched a big hole in WTC 6

Notice too the hanging debris within WTC 6 that would tend to refute a bottom up force, and support a top down force, i.e. debris falling from WTC 1. Note too there is no sign of a blast of any kind within Bldg. 6’s ruins.

Unfortunately, Dr. Judy Woods’ website is down and gone, and I used some of her photos while certainly not endorsing any of her theories. She got her images from the U.S. Govt., or I may be able to find them again with the Wayback Machine, but they support what I’ve written 100%.

The video footage, fake or not, clearly shows material being blown outward as the Twin Towers were being destroyed — one for the money and two for the show — but in any event, considerable damage was done to surrounding structures during the only-partially-controlled demolitions on 9/11, but don’t let those cold facts rain on your parade of parrots

Insurance claims of over $4 billion were made for damages on 9/11 to structures entirely outside the WTC proper.

Do you even know what the term “into its own footprint” means, and the reason for its use?

(Hint: to avoid damaging surrounding structures.)

But that wasn’t done on 9/11.

They just blew those suckers up and let the pieces fall where they did.

Additionally, there were no substantial debris heaps on the footprints of the Twin Towers in the aftermath of 9/11. Indeed, in photos of the WTC site as the dust settled, many of the familiar box column sections are clearly visible strewn widely about the WTC proper, and beyond, where they did substantial damage, whereas, if the Twins had fallen into their own footprints, all that material would have been in a huge heap directly on the site where the building had stood, which clearly wasn’t the case, so kindly understand once and for all that the Twin Towers did not fall onto their own footprints!

Sources identifying Gelitin, Gelatin, and members Florian Reither, Ali Janka, Wolfgang Gantner, and Tobias Urban as Austrian include The New York Times, Rolling Stone, Wikipedia, Perrotin and Massimo Dicarlo, a gallery.

According to the Perrotin website:

Janka was born in Salzburg in 1970 — the same year as all the other members of the breakaway Gelitin apart from Tobias Urban, who is four years older and was the last to leave Galette.

Of course it’s possible the Mossad, the CIA, or even Bullwinkle and Rocky made all that up, including gelitin’s wretched “artwork.” or sites like Winterwatch (“Speaking Truth To Power”) that claim Reither, Janka et al. are Israeli.

https://www.winterwatch.net/2017/09/world-trade-centers-infamous-91st-floor-israeli-art-student-project/

Along with the so-called “Dancing Israelis,” the misidentified “Israeli Art Students” in the WTC have long been the two major pieces of the Mossad did 9/11 conjecture, but they turn out to be little more than a Double-Nothing-Burger.

Building 6 in 9-11

On 9/11, Bldg. 6 at the World Trade Center was holed out by debris falling from WTC I, which also demonstrates again that the Twin Towers did not fall into their own footprints, as the crowd here likes to parrot … or snort.

So when you say “It’s unlikely that the men who actually called the 9/11 mass murder event outed themselves in a Hollywood movie” you are unwittingly reciting the script they wrote for you. (Or, of course, you could be one of “them” pushing that script as a meme for others to unwittingly spread.)

Since you have opened the concept of “pushing that script as a meme for others to spread,” did you ever finally concede that the so-called Gelatin artists in residence in the WTC before 9/11 were not Israelis — as you have been insisting?

If so, I missed it, but here’s another chance for you to acknowledge that those artists were Austrians, and were not Israelis. Of course, feel free to check with Gordon Duff first, and maybe run this by him too:

The main (but not only) guilty parties who outed themselves on 9/11 — by their own actions — were Pres. George W. Bush and VP Dick Cheney.

And or course others have since outed themselves about 9/11 in other ways, Kevin.

New Information on Israelis in Dallas in November 1963:

It’s not new.

It’s been thoroughly debunked.

It’s entirely off-topic.

Oswald did it, acting alone, on his own initiative, and without anyone else’s assistance or knowledge.

Wrong!

The first shot hit Pres. Kennedy in the throat, and Lee Harvey Oswald could not have fired it from the TSBD, irrespective of what anyone pays you to think or write.

Nor could Oswald have prevailed on the Secret Service to relax its protection of JFK on Nov. 22, 1963, so that, among other shortcomings, there were only two SS agents in the front of the president’s limo instead of the usual three agents. The absence of the third man in the middle front seat allowed the shot that hit Pres. Kennedy in the throat after piercing the limo’s windshield.

After Pres. Kennedy had been declared dead at Parkland hospital, gun wielding Secret Service agents illegally hijacked Pres. Kennedy’s corpse from the legal medical authorities in Dallas where the autopsy, by law, should have taken place, so that the bullets could be extracted from the dead president, and his wounds altered prior to two autopsies at Bethesda, one covert, and one official, but both illegal, and of course by then, Oswald was in jail back in Dallas.

Contrary to myth, JFK was not a Vietnam dove.

Wrong. It’s not a myth, but it is NSM-263, wherein Pres. Kennedy had ordered almost all U.S. personnel out of Vietnam by the end of 1965. If Pres. Kennedy hadn’t been killed, at most about 200 U.S. GIs would have perished in Vietnam, instead of the 58,220 young Americans who came home from Vietnam in body bags.

The Vietnamese War tore the United States apart. In my view, it’s never been put back together again. That’s why Pres. Carter granted pardons to all Vietnam draft dodgers in 1977, in a vain attempt to heal those wounds and find some closure, but Reagan, Bush and Thatcher would visit Tehran in 1978 with a plan to depose the Shah, bring in the Ayatollah, and get Bush elected.

But while Bush may have been “born with a silver foot in his mouth,” he didn’t have an ounce of charm, while Ron Reagan had tons of it, along with tax breaks for the rich, trickle down “Voodoo Economics,” downsizing, outsourcing, offshoring, and the best darn astrologer Nancy could find.

Astrology didn’t wreck the Middle Class, but Reagonomics did.

Among those versions of “Dominique” I played awhile back, I actually thought Oriet[t]a Berti’s version in Italian was the most charming, at least partially because of the group of probably 1st grade Italian boys gathered around the nun as she sang, who were generally light brown or fair haired with only a couple boys with fairly dark hair, and a couple boys who are strikingly blonde.

I‘ve since learned that Orietta Berti’s performance of “Dominique” was not filmed with actual students and real Dominican nuns, as I rather naively thought, but was in fact a scene from the movie Zum zum zum – La canzone che mi passa per la testa (Zum zum zum – The song that goes through my head)

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0159150/fullcredits/?ref_=ttch_sa_1

The blonde Italian kid — or one of them — was Walter Brugiolo, who passed away on Sept. 30, 2024 at the age of 63.

https://youtu.be/Nulm-GeC38Y

Orietta Berti — “Dominique” — from the movie Zum zum zum – La canzone che mi passa per la testa

However, that slight flub does not detract from my points about Italian IQ, wealth, and blonde hair color, which are aligned along a N-S axis, concentrated in the north and declining as one travels south down the Italian peninsula.

https://i.imgur.com/XYanv3Z.png

I.T. is not my strong-suite [sic] and I wouldn’t know where to begin how to access Daily Stormer.

Please don’t take this personally, but I can’t let the opportunity pass without addressing this common mistake.

A strong suit is something at which one excels, or “forte.” Note that pronunciation of forte is also contested territory, with many usage commentators recommending the one-syllable pronunciation that sounds like “fort.”

Suit has many meanings as a noun by itself, including a matched set of garments, a matched set of playing cards, a legal action. or, in the plural number “suits,” as slang for bosses and management personnel.

As a verb, “suit” means to be in accord with something, to match or fulfill a requirement. expectation, or desire. “Suit up” is a common term for being on an athletic team — or joining some endeavor — and being ready for action.

Suite refers to a set of rooms, a set of matching furniture, or a musical composition, and is a homophone for “sweet.”

As always, watch out for those homophones, sweet or not.

Finally, any mistakes are entirely my own, and no AI was used herewith.

Italian average IQ is 102 higher than the average 99, 98 IQ of the other west European nations.

Sorry, I didn’t mean to overlook or give short shrift to the Italians, but in any case, it’s quite interesting to note that Italian IQs – and income – are said to range from lower to higher along a N-S geographical axis. I wonder if hair color follows that alignment, especially after reading Bombercommand’s interesting remark about kinky hair and H. erectus. and if or where dark curly hair enters the equation. I tend to associate dark curly hair with, say, Greeks and Italians, but that may derive from Hollywood.

Among those versions of “Dominique” I played awhile back, I actually thought Orieta Berti’s version in Italian was the most charming, at least partially because of the group of probably 1st grade Italian boys gathered around the nun as she sang, who were generally light brown or fair haired with only a couple boys with fairly dark hair, and a couple boys who are strikingly blonde.

There was a kid at my grade school with an Italian name who had pretty much the exact shade of blonde hair as one of those Italian kids – pure blonde hair that he carried into adulthood.

Our Dominican nuns dressed exactly the way – wore the same habits – as the Italian Dominican nuns are dressed in this video, and the school’s principal resembled and had the same kind of shining white skin as Orietta Berti, so for me it’s definitely a throw-back moment, and I think it probably registers on a similar timbre for anyone raised by Roman Catholic Dominican nuns. I can’t quite finish this blurb without mentioning that my Roman Catholic Parochial school at the time – 1950s Midwestern USA – was entirely white, or White, as you prefer, but of course I had no say at all in any of it.

Here I want to say a little about evolution, which is widely misunderstood, in my view. For example, most people will tell you that the dog evolved from the wolf, and most people will cite Darwin, who had all of his amazing insights while studying creatures that had developed while living in a unique environment replicated nowhere else on Earth. So how did that work, or does it really work at all? I don’t think it does because it requires a few guys with this or that unique feature screwing almost every woman on the planet at the time. It simply does not compute.

A more likely explanation for evolution is planet-wide or at least hemispheric environmental changes that were brought on by intensified, perhaps sudden cosmic bombardment that made surviving creatures evolve simultaneously in short order because of mutations. and wiped out many others.

Just as Darwin was misled by the unique environment of the Galapagos Islands, so too are we misled about evolution by thinking that Earth’s environment has been stable over the eons.

I say Earth has probably been losing — and regrowing — some of its atmosphere for a long time. A thicker, more buoyant atmosphere helps explain the gigantic sizes of the dinosaurs, creatures like the familiar Brontosaurus and kin, weighing up to perhaps 50 tons, which I argue would be unable to get around with our current atmosphere, and that’s the reason the largest creatures on Earth today are entirely marine, supported by the buoyancy of the oceans.

The modern 200 ton Blue whale (Balaenoptera musculus) is considered to be the largest creature that has ever lived on Earth.

To wrap this up on a philosophical or perhaps flippant note with a trick question, if you got to choose, would you want to be born a very smart guy like Ron Unz, or a very beautiful Italian movie star like Virna Lisi?