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    This video is available on Rumble, Bitchute, Odysee, Telegram, and X. Yes, white men get the short end of the stick, and an article this week has the numbers to prove it. In “The Lost Generation,” Jacob Savage writes about the countless white men who tried to get a start in prestige professions but were...
  • Important to note that the author, Jacob Savage, is Jewish.

    Savage is thus signalling to fellow tribesman that the diversity push is Bad for the Jews. His “common sense”/ “tales from the darkside” article are not a fellow white waking up and realizing that, even as a leftist, its bad. Its a Jew realizing its bad for Jews coded as white. And in Hollywood, the very industry Jews have controlled and dominated from the outset.

    I predict Jews will move in three directions: 1) suck it up, whitey; 2) ok, its bad, we need to tamper down on this; or 3) Jews aren’t white. The last category will be interesting to see if it works on both check-the-box government forms and on the general public.

  • In a recent short video, we see Benjamin Netanyahu being asked what book he is reading now, and answering with a satisfied look that he is reading Jews vs. Rome by Barry Strauss. Asked why he picked it up, he says: “Well, we lost that one, I think we have to win the next one.”...
  • Jewish inbreeding also accounts for a lot of noted Jewish behavior.

    Hypersexuality, extreme impulsive violence, higher incidence birth defects, and clannish behavior are all hallmarks of inbreeding. Jewish texts have, since they first appeared, fiercely attacked marrying outside the Tribe. In the post-Roman world, Jews self-isolated in neighborhoods to keep this inbreeding going, and their occasional banishment, either to ghettos or out of countries, only increased their inward-turns and inbreeding.

    “Every Ashkenazi is a third cousin to every other.”

    • Agree: Detroit Style Pizza
    • Replies: @Redpill Boomer
    @R.G. Camara

    This explains the inborn Jewish paranoia and hypersensitivity to offense. Which in turn explains their sociopathic behavior. American welcomes and embraces them, but all they see is anti-Semitism. They're so worried that Whites hate them (we don't, at least not yet) that they had to import millions of non-Whites from Africa and the Middle East, who actually DO hate them.

    Replies: @NobodyImportant

  • It wasn’t until the evening that I learned that Charlie Kirk had been shot. As the sun was going down, I began a routine phone call with a politically involved friend of mine, and I asked how he was doing. He sounded distressed and told me that he was shaken by the news of the...
  • @Truth Vigilante
    @R.G. Camara

    R.G Gamera writes:


    The “patsy” nonsense needs to stop.
    It was stupid with Oswald (who took the shots), stupid with Sirhan Sirhan (who also took the shots), and its stupid now with Robinson.
     
    UR readers, you have now read the ultimate ZOG PROPAGATED WHOPPER of the month.

    I have had the misfortune of crossing paths with this mendacious yid Gamera* in the past, and I can at least give him credit for consistency.
    He CONSISTENTLY LIES LIKE HE BREATHES.

    (*Is it any wonder why Godzilla let out that screech whenever he encountered the depraved Gamera?):
    In the 2 min video below, Omid Djalili encapsulates exactly how I feel every time I see R.G. Gamera's name in the UR comments section:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZ_y-ON6HYc

    Replies: @R.G. Camara

    lol. U mad, bro?

  • @R.G. Camara
    The "patsy" nonsense needs to stop. It was stupid with Oswald (who took the shots), stupid with Sirhan Sirhan (who also took the shots), and its stupid now with Robinson.

    No one is killing famous figures and simultaneously finding someone to pin the blame on who, conveniently, can't show they didn't do it. Too many moving parts that need to be pulled off perfectly.

    Instead, look to activation. Find a crazy who hates your target, gin them up, and give them info/training.

    Antifa communist cells produce loads of psycho killer crazies. Could Ackman have nudged one cell to have one of their crazies shoot Kirk? Sure. But don't start with "he's not the real shooter" without hard proof. Follow Ackman's money and see which antifa groups in UT received some. Go from there.

    The problem with the patsy nonsense is it (1) draws attention away from the actual killer, and thus (2) draws our attention away from his connections/brainwashing. Thus we ignore how Oswald was an extreme lifelong communist who hated JFK for his belligerant anti-communism and how Sirhan Sirhan was a lifelong crazy jumping from church to church and cause to cause, looking for someone to point him the way in life. Both were primed to be directed by someone looking to gin up a guy to kill a target.

    Replies: @Ron Unz, @Trinity, @Truth Vigilante

    R.G Gamera writes:

    The “patsy” nonsense needs to stop.
    It was stupid with Oswald (who took the shots), stupid with Sirhan Sirhan (who also took the shots), and its stupid now with Robinson.

    UR readers, you have now read the ultimate ZOG PROPAGATED WHOPPER of the month.

    I have had the misfortune of crossing paths with this mendacious yid Gamera* in the past, and I can at least give him credit for consistency.
    He CONSISTENTLY LIES LIKE HE BREATHES.

    [MORE]

    (*Is it any wonder why Godzilla let out that screech whenever he encountered the depraved Gamera?):
    In the 2 min video below, Omid Djalili encapsulates exactly how I feel every time I see R.G. Gamera’s name in the UR comments section:

    • Troll: R.G. Camara
    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
    @Truth Vigilante

    lol. U mad, bro?

  • @dimples
    @R.G. Camara

    Oswald was filmed outside of the TSBD front door during the shooting. Look up Prayer Man website.

    Replies: @R.G. Camara

    Could a person in the book depository at that vantage point have made the shots?

    YES.

    • Replies: @dimples
    @R.G. Camara

    The 'vantage point' outside the front door of the TSBD had about a dozen people standing on the steps next to Oswald. I don't know what your point is.

  • @John Johnson
    @dimples

    All of the points you consider are irrelevant except #1, which is that the wound does not fit the expected damage from a 30.06 bullet. If the shot was not fired by Robinson and the wound was caused by the mystery palm pistol or drone gun or UFO or the man in the brown checked shirt, then the bullet will not be able to be matched to Robinson’s gun.

    A palm gun also would have not cracked like a rifle.

    Most people have not shot both and are unaware of the difference in volume due to television. An M60 sounds no louder than a 22 on TV. I can't imagine being in the jungle and having an M60 open up on your position. That is insane.

    I used to live near a range that had a separate pistol facility.

    You could walk near the pistol facility while on the phone. I've talked to someone on the phone while a couple guys were shooting 9mm with a few sheets of plywood between us.

    The rifle range sounded like a war zone on a Saturday. You had to put on ear protection when you got out of the car.

    Replies: @Currdog73, @dimples

    You are not dealing with the main issue. If a different gun was used, at least four things follow:

    1. Robinson must be a either a Jedi mind controlled patsy using unknown and invisible technology/methods and used as a distraction, or he or his family were paid big money for him to be executed for murder. There was definitely a shot fired from the roof. Look up analysis by Michael Kobs @MichaKobs on Xitter.

    2. Both the autopsy and ballistics analysis must be faked, which would involve, I don’t know, maybe 30 people in total.

    3. The second shooter runs the risk of being filmed by one of the gazillion phone cameras at the rally.

    4. Since the patsy definitely fired a shot, where is the bullet? Sure the FBI can disappear bullets with ease, but there is the chance that the bullet fired by the 30.06 might either hit somebody else or leave a bullet hole somewhere and somebody films it.

    So it follows that the patsy is either under Jedi mind control or bought off to fire a relatively easy shot. Therefore why bother with another shooter given that massive autopsy and ballistics fakery would also be required. It seems like a lot of effort. Why not just mind control him to shoot accurately, or at least ensure that he was up to date on his shooting practice.

    There must be easier ways to get rid of somebody that don’t involve all this extra bullshit.

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    • Replies: @dimples
    @dimples

    Oops! Point #4 is my own bullshit. The shooter/patsy could have just fired into the air.

    , @John Johnson
    @dimples

    There was definitely a shot fired from the roof. Look up analysis by Michael Kobs @MichaKobs on Xitter.

    That's an opinion and you are free to link an actual source.

    Both the autopsy and ballistics analysis must be faked, which would involve, I don’t know, maybe 30 people in total.

    So now we are involving state and Federal investigators in the conspiracy. Why bother with all this complexity? Why not just kill him with a drone?

    Since the patsy definitely fired a shot, where is the bullet? Sure the FBI can disappear bullets with ease, but there is the chance that the bullet fired by the 30.06 might either hit somebody else or leave a bullet hole somewhere and somebody films it.

    It's a myth that a 3006 must have an exit hole. A soft point hunting bullet is designed to compress to depart maximum energy to the target. Punching clean through is wasted energy.

    I would take a look at this synopsis on FMJ vs soft point bullets:
    https://www.ammunitiontogo.com/lodge/what-are-soft-point-bullets/

    If this was Gramp's rifle then he probably grabbed what was sitting around which would most likely be some type of soft point bullet.

    That type of bullet can be used to kill elk so they would be devastating on a human. If Tyler knew his guns then he would have known that a chest shot at that range would kill him. It doesn't need to be a head or neck shot. Or he aimed for the head and missed.

  • @Trinity
    @R.G. Camara

    Oh and Jacob Rubenstein just happened to easily walk right up past security and gut shoot Lee Harvey Oswald because the Kike Ruby was so angered by his favorite President of all time being shot. Rubenstein was the stereotypical greasy kike procuring prostitutes for cops, probably politicians as well who visited the Dallas area. Ruby was Epstein before Epstein. Lol. RIH Sparky.

    Replies: @R.G. Camara

    And here we go again.

    For the record: Oswald took the shots, but was part of a larger conspiracy.

    • Replies: @dimples
    @R.G. Camara

    Oswald was filmed outside of the TSBD front door during the shooting. Look up Prayer Man website.

    Replies: @R.G. Camara

  • @R.G. Camara
    The "patsy" nonsense needs to stop. It was stupid with Oswald (who took the shots), stupid with Sirhan Sirhan (who also took the shots), and its stupid now with Robinson.

    No one is killing famous figures and simultaneously finding someone to pin the blame on who, conveniently, can't show they didn't do it. Too many moving parts that need to be pulled off perfectly.

    Instead, look to activation. Find a crazy who hates your target, gin them up, and give them info/training.

    Antifa communist cells produce loads of psycho killer crazies. Could Ackman have nudged one cell to have one of their crazies shoot Kirk? Sure. But don't start with "he's not the real shooter" without hard proof. Follow Ackman's money and see which antifa groups in UT received some. Go from there.

    The problem with the patsy nonsense is it (1) draws attention away from the actual killer, and thus (2) draws our attention away from his connections/brainwashing. Thus we ignore how Oswald was an extreme lifelong communist who hated JFK for his belligerant anti-communism and how Sirhan Sirhan was a lifelong crazy jumping from church to church and cause to cause, looking for someone to point him the way in life. Both were primed to be directed by someone looking to gin up a guy to kill a target.

    Replies: @Ron Unz, @Trinity, @Truth Vigilante

    The “patsy” nonsense needs to stop. It was stupid with Oswald (who took the shots), stupid with Sirhan Sirhan (who also took the shots), and its stupid now with Robinson…Thus we ignore how Oswald was an extreme lifelong communist who hated JFK for his belligerant anti-communism and how Sirhan Sirhan was a lifelong crazy jumping from church to church and cause to cause, looking for someone to point him the way in life.

    LOL. I actually think we’re in total agreement.

    It’s just as likely that Robinson was a crazed lone gunman who killed Kirk as Oswald and Sirhan were crazed lone gunmen who killed the Kennedy brothers…

    • Troll: R.G. Camara
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Ron Unz

    Here’s a good short interview of Roger Stone by Clayton Morris. Stone wrote a book on the JFK assassination and is writing a book about the Reagan attempted assassination (apparently the lone gunman version is bogus as well in this case). Stone is comparing JFK and RFK assassinations to the Kirk assassination and pooh-poohs the lone gunman official story.

    https://youtu.be/WtPqO0iChTA?si=5tqfBfFn0P10qOpt

    , @arbeit macht frei
    @Ron Unz

    https://www.unz.com/runz/israel-charlie-kirk-and-the-911-attacks/#comment-7312850

    , @Liosnagcat
    @Ron Unz


    LOL. I actually think we’re in total agreement.

    It’s just as likely that Robinson was a crazed lone gunman who killed Kirk as Oswald and Sirhan were crazed lone gunmen who killed the Kennedy brothers…
     
    Well done.
    , @R.G. Camara
    @Ron Unz

    Don't be a jackass. I am AGREEING that they were all part of conspiracies.

    I AM MERELY SAYING THEY TOOK THE SHOTS THEY WERE SAID TO TAKE.

    In other words, they were parts of conspiracies, but actively so.

    Replies: @JPS

  • @Ron Unz
    @R.G. Camara


    The “patsy” nonsense needs to stop. It was stupid with Oswald (who took the shots), stupid with Sirhan Sirhan (who also took the shots), and its stupid now with Robinson...Thus we ignore how Oswald was an extreme lifelong communist who hated JFK for his belligerant anti-communism and how Sirhan Sirhan was a lifelong crazy jumping from church to church and cause to cause, looking for someone to point him the way in life.
     
    LOL. I actually think we're in total agreement.

    It's just as likely that Robinson was a crazed lone gunman who killed Kirk as Oswald and Sirhan were crazed lone gunmen who killed the Kennedy brothers...

    Replies: @Anonymous, @arbeit macht frei, @Liosnagcat, @R.G. Camara

    Don’t be a jackass. I am AGREEING that they were all part of conspiracies.

    I AM MERELY SAYING THEY TOOK THE SHOTS THEY WERE SAID TO TAKE.

    In other words, they were parts of conspiracies, but actively so.

    • Replies: @JPS
    @R.G. Camara

    But is it then wrong to say they were patsies, if they were mad fools who took the blame as "lone gunmen?" if they were part of a conspiracy and were possibly NOT lone gunmen?

    I agree with the argument that it seems like Sacco and Vanzetti-tier Leftist absurdity to suggest they had nothing to do with the events.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  • Although the September 10th assassination of Charlie Kirk was horrifying, the death of that young conservative activist was merely the latest in a long history of such high-profile killings in our deeply troubled society. Just a few months earlier, an agitated gunman had shot and killed Melissa Hortman, the former Democratic Speaker of the Minnesota...
  • @Saggy
    Another unsatisfying 'Israel did it' article that avoids the central issue - how was Kirk killed if not by being shot by Robinson. Unz doesn't even mention the central issue and spends xyz words discussing circumstances having no direct bearing whatever on the central issue. It's the epistemic contextualism deficiency once again (first revealed in the idiocy of the 9/11 truthers), the context is that Kirk was shot, you can't ignore that altogether and expect to be taken seriously.

    Replies: @QCIC, @JoeFour, @Madbadger, @Carroll Price, @Wokechoke, @muh muh, @Jared Taylor's suspiciously swarthy son, @R.G. Camara, @VoiceofReason

    This.

    One hallmark of a bad conspiracy theory is it doesn’t explain the mechanics of what happened. It instead hand waves them away as “obvious” and then goes into lurid detail about X having the real motive, not the “patsy” who was arrested/accused/convicted.

    I hate it with Oswald and Sirhan Sirhan, and I hate it with Robinson.

  • It wasn’t until the evening that I learned that Charlie Kirk had been shot. As the sun was going down, I began a routine phone call with a politically involved friend of mine, and I asked how he was doing. He sounded distressed and told me that he was shaken by the news of the...
  • The “patsy” nonsense needs to stop. It was stupid with Oswald (who took the shots), stupid with Sirhan Sirhan (who also took the shots), and its stupid now with Robinson.

    No one is killing famous figures and simultaneously finding someone to pin the blame on who, conveniently, can’t show they didn’t do it. Too many moving parts that need to be pulled off perfectly.

    Instead, look to activation. Find a crazy who hates your target, gin them up, and give them info/training.

    Antifa communist cells produce loads of psycho killer crazies. Could Ackman have nudged one cell to have one of their crazies shoot Kirk? Sure. But don’t start with “he’s not the real shooter” without hard proof. Follow Ackman’s money and see which antifa groups in UT received some. Go from there.

    The problem with the patsy nonsense is it (1) draws attention away from the actual killer, and thus (2) draws our attention away from his connections/brainwashing. Thus we ignore how Oswald was an extreme lifelong communist who hated JFK for his belligerant anti-communism and how Sirhan Sirhan was a lifelong crazy jumping from church to church and cause to cause, looking for someone to point him the way in life. Both were primed to be directed by someone looking to gin up a guy to kill a target.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    @R.G. Camara


    The “patsy” nonsense needs to stop. It was stupid with Oswald (who took the shots), stupid with Sirhan Sirhan (who also took the shots), and its stupid now with Robinson...Thus we ignore how Oswald was an extreme lifelong communist who hated JFK for his belligerant anti-communism and how Sirhan Sirhan was a lifelong crazy jumping from church to church and cause to cause, looking for someone to point him the way in life.
     
    LOL. I actually think we're in total agreement.

    It's just as likely that Robinson was a crazed lone gunman who killed Kirk as Oswald and Sirhan were crazed lone gunmen who killed the Kennedy brothers...

    Replies: @Anonymous, @arbeit macht frei, @Liosnagcat, @R.G. Camara

    , @Trinity
    @R.G. Camara

    Oh and Jacob Rubenstein just happened to easily walk right up past security and gut shoot Lee Harvey Oswald because the Kike Ruby was so angered by his favorite President of all time being shot. Rubenstein was the stereotypical greasy kike procuring prostitutes for cops, probably politicians as well who visited the Dallas area. Ruby was Epstein before Epstein. Lol. RIH Sparky.

    Replies: @R.G. Camara

    , @Truth Vigilante
    @R.G. Camara

    R.G Gamera writes:


    The “patsy” nonsense needs to stop.
    It was stupid with Oswald (who took the shots), stupid with Sirhan Sirhan (who also took the shots), and its stupid now with Robinson.
     
    UR readers, you have now read the ultimate ZOG PROPAGATED WHOPPER of the month.

    I have had the misfortune of crossing paths with this mendacious yid Gamera* in the past, and I can at least give him credit for consistency.
    He CONSISTENTLY LIES LIKE HE BREATHES.

    (*Is it any wonder why Godzilla let out that screech whenever he encountered the depraved Gamera?):
    In the 2 min video below, Omid Djalili encapsulates exactly how I feel every time I see R.G. Gamera's name in the UR comments section:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZ_y-ON6HYc

    Replies: @R.G. Camara

  • A talk at the International Round Table for the Security of the Holy Sites of Palestine, Istanbul, Sept 11, 2025 Recently Israel bombed two old venerable churches of Gaza: the Greek Orthodox church of Saint Porphyrios and the Catholic Holy Family Church. Thus, we were reminded that the Holy Land is called the Holy Land...
  • @John Gruskos
    @R.G. Camara

    Madoff's earliest investors profited, and they were disproportionately Jewish.

    His later investors lost everything, and they were disproportionately non-Jewish.

    Although there were some Jewish losers and some non-Jewish winners, overall the Madoff Ponzi scheme transferred wealth from non-Jews to Jews.

    There was an in depth article at Occidental Observer which analyzed the financial results of the Madoff episode from that perspective.

    (Marxist theorist Slavoj Zizek literally said Madoff did nothing wrong - the "capitalist system" forced him to do what he did. So there you have it from the slovenly Slovene himself - Madoff did nothing wrong, but Henry Ford is the bad guy.)

    The Big Short was a much more clear-cut example of ethnic wealth transfer from non-Jews to Jews. Goldman Sachs recruited a small army of small investors to be the dupes who bet against John Paulson, knowing full well that the small investors would lose that bet. Goldman Sachs eventually got a slap on the wrist in the form of a small fine, while Paulson kept his $3,000,000,000 winnings and has been using it ever since to finance Jewish ethnic interests, most recently funding attack ads against Congressman Thomas Massie.

    I cold cite countless examples across the centuries on multiple continents of massive financial swindles which transferred wealth from non-Jews to Jews. The Panama scandal of the 1890s, which led to the rise of modern antisemitism in France, and the Stavinsky scandal of the 1930s, which laid the foundations of Vichy France, are two examples that come to mind.

    Replies: @JR Foley, @R.G. Camara

    Except that Merkin and other Big Jews in the hedge fund world were still heavily invested in Madoff right at the end. When Madoff’s scheme was exposed, and Merkin’s heavy investment of hedge fund money with Madoff was also revealed (Merkin had claimed he was doing all the investing himself), Merkin had to declare bankruptcy and it set off a cascade effect of bankruptcies throughout the Jewish NY hedge fund world in 2008-2011, effectively freezing a ton of Big Jewish NY money.

    I know, I was there. I worked in a hedgefund-related New York City white collar job and saw the rush up and then the freeze. After that, many hedgefund-related folks (including myself) got laid off because there was simply nothing to do since all the hedgefunds our companies siphoned our pay off of were frozen via bankruptcy and fraud investigations.

    And I was working for a very Jewish company at the time (I’m not Jewish, btw). They got hammered. And the big names coming across my desk up until the big freeze and layoff invovled in the Merkin-related hedgefunds were Jewish.

    Hence why Madoff’s scam got such huge headlines. Jews in the news/Hollywood had their Jewish cousins in finance ripped off by Madoff. The outrage! Something must be done! You don’t fool us, you fool goyim!

    I’m not trying to play “actchully” guy here, btw. But its important to know that Ponzi schemes do follow consistent patterns, even at high levels.

  • The assassination of Charlie Kirk presages a new, deadly stage in the disintegration of a fractious and highly polarized United States. While toxic rhetoric and threats are lobbed across cultural divides like hand grenades, sometimes spilling over into actual violence — including the murder of Minnesota House of Representatives Speaker Emerita Melissa Hortman and her...
  • “Republicans pounce.”

    What a faggot-ass commie apologist.

  • No wonder the shooter missed his face Apparently, seeing some guy get shot in the neck is traumatizing for many people. I don’t really know why, given the level of desensitization we’ve all experienced. I mean, it really seems kinda nuts, the fact that this is being considered such a big deal. I really would...
  • Read the room, faggot.

    • Troll: atlantis_dweller
    • Replies: @NeverTrustaWizard
    @R.G. Camara

    His did, his audience and the Unz audience doesn't care about Kirk.

    One less 🇮🇱.

    Replies: @Anon

  • A talk at the International Round Table for the Security of the Holy Sites of Palestine, Istanbul, Sept 11, 2025 Recently Israel bombed two old venerable churches of Gaza: the Greek Orthodox church of Saint Porphyrios and the Catholic Holy Family Church. Thus, we were reminded that the Holy Land is called the Holy Land...
  • @John Gruskos

    Carl Marx and Werner Sombart wrote that the US could became a Jewish state even without Jews. (More precisely, Marx said that it was the Jewish state without Jews
     
    Karl Marx was a liar and a deceiver.

    Karl Marx tried to defuse antisemitism by conflating Judaism with hucksterism, which he in turn conflates with capitalism, which he in turn conflates with America.

    But hyper-ethnocentrism, not "hucksterism", is the essence of Judaism.

    Jewish hyper-ethnocentrism provokes a backlash, and Karl Marx redirects that backlash against the capitalist class, and against America.

    Think of how perverse this is:

    Jewish supremacist swindlers like Bernie Madoff and John Paulson fleece the public via scams, ponzi schemes, and The Big Short.

    An honest, productive capitalist like Henry Ford correctly identifies the root motivation of these scams - Jewish supremacy, the belief that a Jewish life is more valuable than a non-Jewish life, therefore the only standard of right and wrong is "Is it good for the Jews?", therefore it is commendable for Jews to swindle non-Jews.

    Karl Marx diverts attention away from the real issue, Jewish hyper-ethnocentrism, and instead claims that the problem is hucksterism in general. He further claims that all capitalism is hucksterism.

    Therefore, according to Karl Marx, Henry Ford is just as evil as Bernie Madoff, and Bernie Madoff is no worse than Henry Ford. Both are equally "the enemy class".

    This is an outright lie.

    Honest, productive patriots like Henry Ford are friends of their fellow Americans.

    Jewish supremacist scam artists such as John Paulson are enemies of the American people.

    And Karl Marx is an enemy because he conflates the two.

    Replies: @R.G. Camara, @JunkyardDog, @anonymous

    ewish supremacist swindlers like Bernie Madoff

    Just to correct: Madoff largely swindled other Jews.

    Madoff ran a Ponzi scheme, which is traditionally done within an ethnic group. This is because it requires the suckers to trust the swindler more than usual but also have money and friends with money; thus, a co-ethnic, whom the sucker is “sure” would never swindle a fellow ethnic. Outside-ethnicities don’t have this blood-trust and therefore (usually) ask for more proof. (e.g. Ponzi largely fooled fellow Italian-Americans).

    Madoff largely swindled fellow Jews. That these Jews happened to be rich, powerful, New York Jews did not prevent their blindness as to a fellow Jew’s rather obvious Ponzi scheme, because he was “one of us.”

    Heck, it was Madoff’s ethnic “in” with other Jews that largely helped him avoid detection, e.g. the SEC never investigated him despite warnings, and Ira Merkin, the investing heavyweight, invested through him. It took a Greek accountant (Harry Markopolos) to expose Madoff, and only after years of screaming about him (because other Jews refused to believe a goyim about a fellow Jew).

    • Replies: @John Gruskos
    @R.G. Camara

    Madoff's earliest investors profited, and they were disproportionately Jewish.

    His later investors lost everything, and they were disproportionately non-Jewish.

    Although there were some Jewish losers and some non-Jewish winners, overall the Madoff Ponzi scheme transferred wealth from non-Jews to Jews.

    There was an in depth article at Occidental Observer which analyzed the financial results of the Madoff episode from that perspective.

    (Marxist theorist Slavoj Zizek literally said Madoff did nothing wrong - the "capitalist system" forced him to do what he did. So there you have it from the slovenly Slovene himself - Madoff did nothing wrong, but Henry Ford is the bad guy.)

    The Big Short was a much more clear-cut example of ethnic wealth transfer from non-Jews to Jews. Goldman Sachs recruited a small army of small investors to be the dupes who bet against John Paulson, knowing full well that the small investors would lose that bet. Goldman Sachs eventually got a slap on the wrist in the form of a small fine, while Paulson kept his $3,000,000,000 winnings and has been using it ever since to finance Jewish ethnic interests, most recently funding attack ads against Congressman Thomas Massie.

    I cold cite countless examples across the centuries on multiple continents of massive financial swindles which transferred wealth from non-Jews to Jews. The Panama scandal of the 1890s, which led to the rise of modern antisemitism in France, and the Stavinsky scandal of the 1930s, which laid the foundations of Vichy France, are two examples that come to mind.

    Replies: @JR Foley, @R.G. Camara

  • Look, it's really simple if you just take a peak at the numbers of gun crime, and violent crime in the city of Chicago. It's a 33% White city (it was 96% White in 1925), and there's virtually no White gun crime or violent crime problem in the White community. [BLACK CHICAGOANS 20X LIKELIER TO...
  • Jim Crow and the KKK happened for a reason.

    And “whitey just be evil, yo” is not that reason.

    • Agree: Lancelot_Link
  • Although I’m a great admirer of the Jewish New Yorker Larry Auster (1949-2013), I’m glad that he seems never to have had any children. Why am I glad? Because of something called reversion to the mean. By Jewish standards, Auster was unusually sympathetic to White gentiles and unusually honest about non-White criminality. If he’d had...
  • Jewish inbreeding=big cause of Jewish sexual prurience.

    Inbred animals either become hyper-sexual or sexually a dead end.

    The Christian Churches explicitly fought against inbreeding, both for hygiene purposes and because it would reduce warfare. In contrast, Jews did explicit inbreeding for thousands of years because of (1) religious prohibitions on group outbreeding; (2) few converts (Jews don’t proselytize) ; and (3) ghettoization/separation/expulsion due to refusal to assimilate to local populations and exploitation of locals.

    The result is that many Jews are far more inbred than the Hapsburgs. “Every Ashkenazi is a 3rd cousin to every other” is a Jewish expression, and the prevalence of inbred diseases like Tay-Sachs among Jews is a sign.

    Thus, Jews behave as many inbred animals do: obsessed with sex. Jewish jokes about being attracted to family members, Jewish mother syndrome, Jews involved in pornography, etc.

    Its in the genes.

  • The White Masai, Harper Collins, 2006, 307 pages, $28.96. (Originally published in Germany in 1998 by Al Verlag GmbH Munich as Die Weisse Massai.) The book The White Masai is a memoire by Corinne Hofmann, a white Swiss woman who married a primitive African man and tried to live in his world. While others around...
  • I wonder if this is true.

    It sounds like either it could be true or could be a fantastically made up fiction made to sell books.

  • A few weeks ago I'd published an article on Father Charles Coughlin, the notorious radio priest of the 1930s, and my extensive reading revealed that he had been a far more formidable figure than I'd ever realized. Although he was relegated to just a sentence or two in my introductory history textbooks, Coughlin had pioneered...
  • @Corvinus
    @Ron Unz

    “But once again, I really do lack sufficient expertise on these complex economic issues.”

    followed by…

    “LOL. I’ve read both of the Macgregor/Docherty books, and they’re total conspiracy-cranks and crackpots so I wouldn’t trust a word they said about anything at all.”

    This is hilarious.

    Something also hilarious is how the iSteve community blog is dying a slow death. Perhaps it’s time to put it down permanently? You know, how you eventually retired AE’s site?

    Replies: @ariadna, @R.G. Camara

    Corvy! Now assigned by his masters to Unz articles to derail, demoralize, and disinform.

    How are Mr. Soros’s paychecks, little mendacious one?

  • Since the beginning of Donald Trump’s political career in 2015, “Make America Great Again” (MAGA) has been more than a slogan, and instead a concept that embodies a series of simple and easily understood principles about the problems facing America and the solutions to these problems. MAGA was never a specific series of policy proposals,...
  • We hired a bull in a china shop. Turns out he was just another employee.

    Epstein’s clients walk free. We are run by pedophiles who are protected by our government.

    Fuck This Ghey World.

  • A few weeks ago I'd published an article on Father Charles Coughlin, the notorious radio priest of the 1930s, and my extensive reading revealed that he had been a far more formidable figure than I'd ever realized. Although he was relegated to just a sentence or two in my introductory history textbooks, Coughlin had pioneered...
  • @Ron Unz
    @Pablo


    Herbert Hoover was a sleazy, corrupt scumbag. During WW1, Hoover did in fact run a organization called the CRB. Formed supposedly on the basis to bring food relief to the citizens of Belgium, what it really did was funnel huge amounts of foodstuffs to GERMANY, our supposed Enemies. Profit was the motive. Hoover’s activities prolonged WW! by 2-3 years enabling huge losses of life by proolonging the War. In the book, “Prolonging the Agony: How the Anglo-American…byt Three and a Half Years” by Jim Macgregor and Gerry Docherty.
     
    LOL. I've read both of the Macgregor/Docherty books, and they're total conspiracy-cranks and crackpots so I wouldn't trust a word they said about anything at all. Here's a comment in which I discussed their nonsense a couple of years ago:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/the-balfour-declaration-and-116000-american-lives/?showcomments#comment-6273830

    And the remarks I made in an earlier comment on this thread apply equally well to that likely conspiracy-nonsense regarding Hoover:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-franklin-roosevelt-the-great-depression-and-the-new-deal/#comment-7205598

    Replies: @Corvinus, @R.G. Camara

    Hoover probably had the highest IQ of any man to become president in the 20th Century, and likely only Thomas Jefferson rivaled his IQ among all presidents. Hoover’s technical knowledge in mining was extremely great, his work in unelected positions was greatly admired (which is how he got the nomination for President),and he & his wife learned Chinese in China, and then would speak it in their home in America as a form of code to hide their conversations from visitors. His post-presidency was also very intellectually active as he sought to rehab his image.

    Meanwhile, FDR, as Unz references, probably had the lowest IQ of all 20th Century presidents. A second-rate intellect, but he had his family money, an incredible ego, no ties to any ideology other than what would help him win, and willingness to be politically ruthless and corrupt at all costs.

    Hoover not only had the bad luck of being president when the Depression hit, but also the fact that he had no experience politicking. He had worked in government successfully, but always in unelected positions, so when he got the presidency he did not have any ability to get the average voter to instill trust in his administration when the crisis hit.

    Hoover was a very smart man with zero political skills, while FDR was a second-rate thinker who had excellent political instincts, skills, and background support. There’s a lesson here in all that.

  • It has always surprised me that FDR has never had mainstream, semi-critical biopics of his life. I mean, even American “heroes” like Lincoln, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson have had that treatment, even if such biopics invariably made their subjects into perpetually the good guys, or, in the case of Lincoln, become hagiography. But Hollywood–despite being communist and deep-FDR supporters—apparently treats the cousin-banging FDR as some untouchable deity, unworthy of any human depiction, except perhaps as some aloof figure, as in Yankee Doodle Dandy, or in the one-off art-house flick Hyde Park on Hudson.

    Ironically, Hollywood’s most stinging, searching critique of FDR came from Archie Bunker, when Norman Lear was trying to make Archie seem unreasonable:

    It has also surprised me that FDR’s amazingly unprecedented and ego-driven decision to run for 3rd and 4th terms—and win them—has never been explored in the mainstream culture. It lead directly to the passage of a constitutional amendment barring anyone from doing it again. FDR’s king-like manner alarmed so many contemporaries that they wanted to stop any future FDR from doing it again. That would seem to be a lot of evidence of how divisive the man was.

    It appears that FDR seems to have a a personality not just like Bush 43, but also Obama and Biden. The colossal ego of an untrained, unaccomplished politico thinking he can be a front-man president with no discernible political convictions (Obama), the trading on the family name and fortune to do it (Bush 43), the allowing underlings to do whatever they wanted (Bush 43, Obama, Biden), and the blatant selling of the office to the highest bidder through his family (Biden).

    • Replies: @KingOfWands
    @R.G. Camara

    They also avoid like a plague ANY mentions of the number of terms.
    A Daly Mail article, cities in this comment sections says that FDR died during his SECOND term, an outright lie.

    He is lionized, precisely because he isn't mentioned at all and when he is mentioned the terms are always brief and positive.

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  • @MGB
    What does white only mean? What is the ethnic breakdown of the 25% white population at Columbia?

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @R.G. Camara

    A few notes about Columbia:

    -Columbia was sometimes called the “Jewish Ivy” due to its large Jewish student population.

    -A joke: Columbia’s student population is 1/3 black, 1/3 Jewish, 1/3 lesbian, and the rest are white guys.

    -Columbia has the smallest endowment (donations from alumni) of any Ivy League.

    -Most Ivys have clubs for alumni to join, like the Harvard Club or the Yale Club. These are swanky physical buildings where alumni can dine, exercise, entertain, and stay overnight. Despite the university being literally in NYC there is no physical Columbia Club in NYC or anywhere else. There used to be, but alumni were so uninterested that they sold it in the 1960s once Columbia became known as a radicals school. Harvard actually has a club in NYC, as does Yale, but not Columbia. How embarassing.

    It seems that the large Jewish undergad population and radical politics drive away $$$ and alumni interest, at least in comparison to other Ivys.

    • Thanks: MGB
  • The Netflix series Adolescence, where a White teenager murders a White girl, has resulted in a great deal of commentary, including Tobias Langdon’s TOO article. Until reading it, I had no idea that the media in UK reacted that way and didn’t know that the story was inspired by a real incident with a non-White...
  • @Trinity
    Ask John Grisham about reversing the races. At one time weren’t they thinking about a race switcheroo on a possible movie about the Wichita Massacre. Never heard of this Netflix series, don’t hardly watch television at all. Thank God Almighty I don’t watch (((manufactured))) shit like this crap.


    (((Based On A True Story.))) LMAO

    Replies: @R.G. Camara

    In recent years the Left has touted the Tulsa Race Riots of 1921 as some kind of Kristallnacht-level attack by evil whites on blacks. The event even got to appear in the failed Watchmen TV series on HBO (a TV series designed to “correct” the IP because the previous Watchmen movie had become popular among white right wing fanbois, so the TV series as hard communist-lefty and hard anti-white). Blacks even have started to claim that Tulsa was some kind of “Black Wall Street” that whites sought to destroy to keep them poor.

    What really occurred was typical: a large concentration of blacks in Tulsa had been, as they always do, acting criminal and victimizing whites, even lynching a white guy the year before. Finally, a shoeshine boy sexually assaulted a white teenage girl and the dam broke. Whites rioted en masse, and black gangs used it much the same way they used the George Floyd marches: to start rioting, raping, and looting.

  • @ProsecuteGenocide
    @Don Trumpleone

    When I first heard of the PUA meetings, my gut instinct was revulsion.

    Then I began an online deep dive, and realized it was not at all what the haters said it was.

    The manosphere told the critical truth about politics, finance, biology, history, Jewish power, society, family, feminist ideology and the sexes, and how they all interact.

    The manosphere was the antidote to a half century of deceit and indoctrination. It was an invitation to classic dissent and critical thinking. A breath of fresh air.

    Anyone wanting to shut it down has an agenda, which is to make us stupid.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @R.G. Camara

    RooshV had a great website/good books on PUA and delved into other topics like JPower and patriarchy and the like. But thankfully, he swerved to Christianity and has since left the online world behind.

  • Last spring Atlantic staff writer Franklin Foer authored a well-circulated obituary to American Jewish power. The left and the right, through excesses of racial identity politics and the promulgation of populism and illiberal ideologies, are converging to squeeze Jews out of public life in the land of milk and honey: the USA. The article relies...
  • In pre-liberal Christendom, Jews were a barely tolerated alien minority with no access to political office without conversion. The fly in the ointment was the greed of the Christian elite, which allowed the Jews to practice usury as long as they gave the elite borrowers a lower interest rate. The result was always the same: mass anger at the economic exploitation, followed by violence against the usurers and the expulsion of Jews when the elite could no longer pay back the usurious loans.

    • Replies: @IceFalcon
    @Dutch Boy

    Thus laying the foundations of what is known as 'Judaeo-Christian' civilization

    , @ariadna
    @Dutch Boy

    "The fly in the ointment was the greed of the Christian elite, which allowed the Jews to practice usury as long as they gave the elite borrowers a lower interest rate. "

    It is not our fault for being nefarious leeches. Those who, in exchange for bribes, let us live among them as leeches are to blame. Why didn't they, I don't know know, expel us or deprive us of our right to behave as Jews?

    I can see your point.

  • @Daemon
    Reminder that when the Tang dynasty chose to promote foreigners such as Sogdians and other Turkics to high office with the implict logic that foreigners would be more trustworthy because they lacked a power-base to overthrow the central authorities, that it took a bloody civil war that killed off almost half the entire country before native rule could be restored.

    Right now it seems the same assumptions are being made by the anglo-zionists. They're going to receive a nasty surprise.

    Replies: @anonymous, @mulga mumblebrain, @Hulkamania, @R.G. Camara

    That situation is actually quite common historically. Ruling groups, especially those who have conquered a foreign nation, will often choose ethnic minorities to govern the conquered people, because such minorities will have no loyalty to the locals and actually will great fear of the locals rising up, as the ethnic minority will surely be dealt with harshly even if they try to join the locals.

    The Romans used this to great success. Quite famously, when Rome conquered Israel, they had the Herodians on the throne as client-kings. The Herodians were ethnically not Hebrews, but another ethnic group, and so were loyal to Rome. This is partially why, for example, in the Gospel Herod ratifies Pilate’s finding that Jesus is not guilty and they become “good friends” as a result; Herod is being more loyal to Rome (Pilate) than the local Jewish Sanhedrin.

    Back in the 90s Richard Dreyfuss (yes, the actor) helped to pen an alternative history book with Harry Turtledove called The Two Georges, which has the British placing blacks in key positions ruling North America over the masses of Irish. This would have been a more canny move by the British, as the ethnically-small blacks would have been far more frightened of the mass of Irish than the British. Of course, it depends upon the fantasy that black IQ and black civilized behavior is higher on average than what it actually is, so it would not have worked in reality, but old 60s lefty Jewish Dreyfuss and mainstream author Turtledove were not going to believe anything else.

  • My 10th grade English class had devoted a semester to the works of William Shakespeare, and that seemed appropriate given his place in our language and our culture. During those months, I'd read about a dozen or so of his plays and had been required to memorize one of the most famous soliloquies in Macbeth....
  • @Seraphim
    @R.G. Camara

    Your chutzpah reveals again your ignorance. Whatever I said was taken from works published by Shakespearean scholars and historians that you must have known before giving your opinions.

    Replies: @R.G. Camara

    lol. Little ignorant one, why are so full of chutzpah to spout out these inane conspiracy theories? Please tells us more how Shakespeare was really a government psyop!

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  • @Corvinus
    @R.G. Camara

    Mr. Sailer wants you to stop harassing him on his Substack. But that’s not your style. Putin pays you too much.

    Replies: @R.G. Camara

    lol. So Mr. Soros pays you to harass Mr. Sailer, which is your style. But how many shekels does he pay you, Mordecai?

  • My 10th grade English class had devoted a semester to the works of William Shakespeare, and that seemed appropriate given his place in our language and our culture. During those months, I'd read about a dozen or so of his plays and had been required to memorize one of the most famous soliloquies in Macbeth....
  • @R.G. Camara
    @Seraphim

    lmao. You Shakespeare Denialists have conspiracy theories more wild than the Flat Earthers!

    Replies: @Seraphim

    How typical! You are caught with your hand in the cookie jar, but you accuse the one who caught you for that!
    You can’t find enough insults to heap on the head of those who exposed your ignorance.

    • LOL: R.G. Camara
    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
    @Seraphim

    lmao. Your ignorance and wild factless conspiracy theories are showing, little gormless one, especially as you flail about like this.

    But do tell us more about this mass conspiracy of government agents writing all of Shakespeare's plays and everyone playing along.

    Replies: @Seraphim

  • @Seraphim
    @R.G. Camara

    How typical! You are caught with your hand in the cookie jar, but you accuse the one who caught you for that!
    You can't find enough insults to heap on the head of those who exposed your ignorance.

    Replies: @R.G. Camara

    lmao. Your ignorance and wild factless conspiracy theories are showing, little gormless one, especially as you flail about like this.

    But do tell us more about this mass conspiracy of government agents writing all of Shakespeare’s plays and everyone playing along.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
    @R.G. Camara

    Your chutzpah reveals again your ignorance. Whatever I said was taken from works published by Shakespearean scholars and historians that you must have known before giving your opinions.

    Replies: @R.G. Camara

  • @Seraphim
    @C. Waldman

    I find it hard to understand the opposition to Bacon's authorship, when there is a mountain of evidence, direct or circumstantial that he is fully behind the 'Shakespeare Project' (if I can call it so) as part of the veritable intellectual revolution which developed in the Elizabethan Age and in which he played a tremendous role.

    Replies: @R.G. Camara

    lmao. You Shakespeare Denialists have conspiracy theories more wild than the Flat Earthers!

    • Replies: @Seraphim
    @R.G. Camara

    How typical! You are caught with your hand in the cookie jar, but you accuse the one who caught you for that!
    You can't find enough insults to heap on the head of those who exposed your ignorance.

    Replies: @R.G. Camara

  • @Seraphim
    Good heavens, my dear Sherlock! Quite a long ''incubation'' for a laughable response!

    Replies: @R.G. Camara

    lol. Yes, little Shakespeare Denialist, your responses are quite laughable. Do try harder, maybe you can make your wild, stupid conspiracy theory stick sometime!

  • @Seraphim
    @Norumbega

    Sir Francis Bacon who continues to lurk in the shadow of the Bard trying to steal his laurels wrote about the causes of seditions and troubles in Kingdoms:
    Generally, it is to be foreseene that the Population of a Kingdome, (especially if it be not mowen downe by warrs) doe not exceed the Stock...the Multiplying of Nobilitie and other Degrees of Qualitie,in an over Proportion to the Common People, doth speedily bring a State to Necessitie; And so doth likewise an overgrowne Clergie, For they bring nothing to the Stocke; And in like manner, when more are bred Schollers then Preferments can take off.
    Wasn't a good idea to give these unemployed Schollers something useful to do, like writing plays for the growing Show business?

    Replies: @Norumbega, @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Except that the plays in question (and not just Shakespeare’s) show precious little evidence of having been written by “scholars” and overwhelming evidence of having been written by professional men of the theater.

    Good heavens, Watson! All of these ants appear to have been eaten by… an ant-eater — and not, as we suspected, by a polar bear!

    • Agree: R.G. Camara
  • @Seraphim
    @R.G. Camara

    Guy Fawkes plotting against Elizabeth I?
    I must have my history wrong. Why did I believe that Elizabeth I died in 1603? Why did I believe that the Catholic Guy Fawkes joined the Gunpowder Plot, led by the Catholic Robert Catesby, who planned to assassinate the Protestant King James and replace him with his daughter, third in the line of succession, Princess Elizabeth in 1605 (who was to be brought up as a Catholic and later married to a Catholic bridegroom*)?
    You should never trust Wikipedia!

    *Elizabeth Stuart ended up marrying Frederick (Friedrich) V, Count Palatine of the Rhine, ''senior Prince of the Empire" and a staunch defender of the Protestant faith'', in an attempt to create a coalition of Protestant countries against the Catholic Habsburgs.

    Replies: @R.G. Camara

    lol. Yeah, buddy, you got me. The one Catholic plot I named was actually not her against but James I. Totally messed that one up.

    Meanwhile, here’s all the other Catholic plots that did occur during her reign:
    -1569 – The Northern Earls’ Rebellion
    -1571 – The Ridolfi Plot
    -1583 – The Throckmorton Plot
    -1586 – The Babington Plot

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/guides/zg68tyc/revision/3

    Jackass.

    Now bad to your Shakespeare Denialism, brainless one!

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  • @Buzz Mohawk
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Well, I stood next to him at Starbucks in New Canaan, Connecticut.

    His wife shared the ladies room with mine, and the baristas got our wives' coffees mixed up. Mike and I didn't order anything. His eggplant-colored BMW X5 had California plates. My arctic silver BMW 528i had Connecticut ones. We walked in together, the only customers in the place on a sleepy morning.

    Mike was wearing draw string pants, his butt crack almost showing. I respected his privacy as he stared at the floor. He was quite short, from my perspective. Are all Canadian comedians that small?

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @R.G. Camara

    My experience is that male celebrities are usually very short or very tall. I could speculate why, but maybe thats just confirmation bias.

    • Replies: @Curle
    @R.G. Camara

    Celebrities I met or witnessed in close proximity.

    Lorne Green - average if 6’ is average.
    Brian Keith - same.
    Elvis - same.
    Kris Kristopherson - same.
    Ed Sullivan - same.
    Roger Staubach - a little taller than the others.
    Tom Selleck - like Staubach.
    Kareem - a lot taller.
    Robert Conrad - shorter than the others.

    Replies: @J.Ross

  • @John Johnson
    @Rich

    You are incorrect. George Washington wrote a famous letter to the Hebrew Congregation in Newport(1790) assuring them of their welcome to the new nation.

    No I am not incorrect and a letter to a congregation is not policy.

    I said there were legal limits on them by various states. Citing Jews in early governments does not negate the fact that states were allowed to impose restrictions. That means Jews did not have full rights under the Federal law.

    For example states were allowed to require representatives to swear an oath to Christianity.

    That would preclude Jews.

    Maybe ask next time instead of assuming you know everything.

    Replies: @Rich, @R.G. Camara

    I am shocked, SHOCKED to hear that Jewish John Johnson is hyper-sensitive and argumentative about Jewish slights.

    SHOCKED, I tell you.

    He and JackD share the same room at the hasbara internet center in Tel Aviv.

  • @Jonathan Mason
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    You can't even spell his name right, and anyway Mike Myers is an Englishman. Although born in Canada he has dual citizenship and spends a lot of his time in the UK. His work is mostly, or largely, influenced by UK popular culture.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Corvinus

    The Germ is a great at telling tall tales.

    Already on this thread he claimed to have babysat Bowie, met Bono (Sonny?), had a meal with Mike Myers, and almost got murdered at MacArthur Park.

    Or something.

    • Troll: R.G. Camara
    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
    @Corvinus

    lol. Yes, Corvy, we all know you're really good at telling tall tales. No need to reinforce the notion. You're a liar, through-and-through, this we've all discovered all on our own.

    P.S. Are you in Israel, your homeland? Or are you stateside, and synagogue-adjacent to your job at Media Matters?

    , @Curle
    @Corvinus

    You do realize don’t you that people in the entertainment industry cross paths with celebrities far more often than shut ins raging from their mother’s basement? Especially if they are pre-vetted in one way or the other.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Corvinus


    ...and almost got murdered at MacArthur Park.
     
    He shouldn't leave his cake out in the rain.


    https://i.makeagif.com/media/8-01-2015/GpdJ_d.gif
    , @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Corvinus

    Why are you so seethingly annoyed that somebody else has a more interesting life than you?

    And trust me, I'm not even a good specimen, I've known lots of people who had *actually* interesting lives, not just stupid cartoon shit like me.

    If I told you a real lie, you wouldn't be able to differentiate it.

    But I don't really care if you believe anything or not. Part of life, it must be admitted, is seeking validation in one way or another. But I was fortunate enough that I got all the validation I'll ever need before I was thirty; now I'm just playing with house money, as they say. And I really don't care if some wanker on the internet thinks I'm a jerk or not.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    , @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Corvinus

    You say all this stuff as if it is just rambling gibberish that makes no sense.

    But think for a minute: if you decide in your life to pursue an artistic vocation, then you have to take a bunch of risks. Maybe one of the risks is driving yourself to the point of a nervous breakdown, and then maybe you wind up living in a park for a while, which is a dangerous thing to do and maybe crazy people threaten to murder you. Then maybe you have a change in good fortune and you go to work at a place like 30 Rock and you meet people like Hal Willner, who knew *everybody*, and Mike and Farley and maybe even Bowie -- who used to drop by every now and then, because when you get to be a certain level of celebrity, cutting the line at a posh night-club doesn't do it anymore, you want to be really *in* as an insider, and one of the places you can get that fix is by waltzing into the writers room at SNL.

    Other people did it all the time, too, they just weren't as good conversationists as David.

    Certainly you aren't.

    , @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Corvinus

    You say all this stuff as if you think it's a lot of fun.

    Yeah sure, years later it's a bit of a gas to reminisce harmlessly on the internet with your brandy snifter at your elbow... but let me ask you...

    Do you actually think that having a nervous breakdown and being reduced to living in a park and then having some crazy naked man stick a gun in your mouth is -- FUN?

    It was fucking terrifying, asshole.

    People like me do what we do because we have no choice. We. Have. No. Choice. You can make art, or you can die. There aren't other in-between options. I've known that since I was five years old.

    Like Hal Willner said to me, "We are artists, dude. Saving people's lives is what we do for a living. Don't sweat it, man -- you probably saved five people's lives this morning, and you don't even know about it, and you'll NEVER know about it. Just happens."

    And that is the catechism, muthafucka.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nO5PGg1H66o&list=RDi70zREBdvss&index=3

  • @Corvinus
    @Jonathan Mason

    The Germ is a great at telling tall tales.

    Already on this thread he claimed to have babysat Bowie, met Bono (Sonny?), had a meal with Mike Myers, and almost got murdered at MacArthur Park.

    Or something.

    Replies: @R.G. Camara, @Curle, @Reg Cæsar, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @The Germ Theory of Disease

    lol. Yes, Corvy, we all know you’re really good at telling tall tales. No need to reinforce the notion. You’re a liar, through-and-through, this we’ve all discovered all on our own.

    P.S. Are you in Israel, your homeland? Or are you stateside, and synagogue-adjacent to your job at Media Matters?

  • About 18 years ago, I discovered Frasier. Too young when it aired to truly understand, and never getting into the weirdness of Cheers in syndication (the ultimate baby boomer show depicting a Boston seemingly all-white, untouched by The Great Migration, bussing riots or Immigration Act of 1965), the WASPy world of of Dr. Frasier Crane,...
  • God bless your friend.

    Grammar’s personal life has been excessively sad, violent, and very prole. In addition to his father and sister’s murders, he’s gotten involved with several strippers/hookers and domestic violence situations, and he had addiction to some substances. In his personal life, he’s a lower-profile Charlie Sheen.

    Yet his public image as this erudite, intelligent, upper-caste guy has never suffered, even when he came out as a Hollywood Republican. I chalk it up to his voice, his agents, and his work, which almost exclusively appeals to NPR-listeners, and so they all can’t imagine him rolling around in a strip club. He also excessively courts homosexual audiences—not only were a lot of the cast, writers, and guest stars on Frasier gay, but his excessive fussiness and high-brow-theater references were designed to capture that audience’s praise.

  • My 10th grade English class had devoted a semester to the works of William Shakespeare, and that seemed appropriate given his place in our language and our culture. During those months, I'd read about a dozen or so of his plays and had been required to memorize one of the most famous soliloquies in Macbeth....
  • @Wielgus
    @Dennis McCarthy

    I would put much of this down to Shakespeare being politically conservative by the standards of his time. This is one reason why I do not rule out the possibility he had some sympathy with Roman Catholicism. (He never attacks the Catholic Church the way Marlowe does, for example.) I don't get a sense of elitism from his plays so much as a fear of social unrest and civil war, attitudes that permeate his history plays in particular. And while he did not live to experience the English Civil War, his descendants did.
    It is noticeable that King Lear becomes quite the social radical when he is cast out and goes mad (incidentally this may be Shakespeare's unique contribution - others wrote about Leir or Lear before, but Shakespeare was the first to present him as going insane). But making him insane when he is egalitarian is perhaps Shakespeare giving himself some cover.

    Replies: @Dennis McCarthy, @R.G. Camara

    Shakespeare was likely being self-serving in not attacking Catholicism. Remember that during his lifetime England was precipitously on the brink of several swerves back to Catholicism.

    Elizabeth I was a hugely polarizing ruler whom several Catholic plots were launched against (e.g. the famous Guy Fawkes) and the 1588 Spanish Armada only failed due to some of it being blown off course. And then the more Catholic-sympathetic James I took over when Shakespeare was mid-career. In short, Shakespeare could never be sure if Catholicism might suddenly come back into power in England as it had threatened, so he avoided attacking it.

    Being so prudent was also historically intelligent. Shakespeare’s father famously had a Catholic will secreted in the walls of his home on the off-chance the Catholics took over again, and in the 50 years before Shakespeare was born you had the terrifying shifts of England from Catholic to Protestant to Catholic to Protestant from Henry 8th-Elizabeth, complete with associated purges of the old guard after the latest shift.

    Marlowe was not only a playwright, but an agent of Elizabeth, so he was doomed to death or exile if the Catholics ever got back into power. So he was more bold in making the propaganda, as it meant more to him.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
    @R.G. Camara

    Guy Fawkes plotting against Elizabeth I?
    I must have my history wrong. Why did I believe that Elizabeth I died in 1603? Why did I believe that the Catholic Guy Fawkes joined the Gunpowder Plot, led by the Catholic Robert Catesby, who planned to assassinate the Protestant King James and replace him with his daughter, third in the line of succession, Princess Elizabeth in 1605 (who was to be brought up as a Catholic and later married to a Catholic bridegroom*)?
    You should never trust Wikipedia!

    *Elizabeth Stuart ended up marrying Frederick (Friedrich) V, Count Palatine of the Rhine, ''senior Prince of the Empire" and a staunch defender of the Protestant faith'', in an attempt to create a coalition of Protestant countries against the Catholic Habsburgs.

    Replies: @R.G. Camara

  • @R.G. Camara
    @Mark Hunter


    RU mentions Mark Twain in his list of illustrious English-language literary figures and intellectuals who have questioned Shakespeare’s authorship. That would be in Twain’s long essay, “Is Shakespeare Dead” (first published as part of his autobiography). Even if one isn’t interested in the authorship question it is worth reading for its witty polemical style of writing.

    Twain makes no claim about who wrote Shakespeare’s Plays, only that William Shakespeare of Stratford-upon-Avon did not.
     
    Twain was also a colossally arrogant bigot who hated Catholics, American Indians, and small town America with a passion, e.g. both Tom Sawyer and Hucklberry Finn are mercilessly savage in painting small town folk as idiot bad rubes who fall for anything and are too stupid to see goodness and genius. He never forgave anyone who didn't bow to his "genius" and tore down anyone who threatened his self-appointed stature as the Great American Novelist, e.g. his essay trying to destroy the reputation of the then long-dead James Fenimore Cooper was because during Twain's time people mentioned Cooper as the greatest American novelist.

    Twain only went back and forgave his small hometown in MO for never worshiping him as a youth when they declared a day Mark Twain Day and held a ceremony in his honor. That assuaged his ego. So Twain's insistence that Straford never did the same for Shakespeare was about Twain, again, wanting to celebrate himself and force his "enemies" to bow to him and had nothing to do with Shakespeare or Straford or his life.

    Twain's "analysis" of why Shakespeare never wrote his works is suspiciously close to his attack on Cooper and makes me think Twain was miffed that Shakespeare was held to be higher than Twain. Yet ironically, Twain's simple rustic upbringing and on-the-job training as a newspaper writer made him very similar to how Shakespeare likely got his training.

    Twain on other writers is just bitchiness.

    Replies: @Mark Hunter

    If what Camara says is true about Twain vis-à-vis Catholics, I don’t hold it against the man.  I hate Catholics too, in so far as they follow their Pope.  I don’t think arrogance has anything to do with it.  He wrote two brief articles on the Indians, one very derogatory, the other sort of resigned.

    As a boy I read Tom Sawyer at least three times, Huckleberry Finn twice, and I didn’t get the impression Twain thought small town people were all idiots or that they couldn’t appreciate goodness and genius.  About the last, since there are no geniuses in the novels, how could he give that impression?

    Years ago I read the essay on James Fenimore Cooper that Camara refers to, “Fenimore Cooper’s Literary Offences,” and some years later read it again, so I think I recall it pretty well.  The odd think about the essay is that everything Twain says is true but it is all trivial compared to what value there really is in Cooper’s work.  You might put it this way: Cooper needed a good copy editor.  I think what we get are first drafts.  (There is one exception, a dreadful, and dreadfully long, satirical novel, polished and not overwritten.  Well, there could be more exceptions, I’ve read only a fraction of his work.)

    Camara seems to think he can read Twain’s mind.  Camara claims Twain hated people who didn’t bow down to his (derogatory quotes Camara’s) “genius.”  How does Camara know this? In fact, he doesn’t know it.  Sure, Twain had a high opinion of his writing compared to his contemporaries (he writes this somewhere); he deserved to have it.  Camara claims Twain hated the residents of the small town where he grew up, relenting only when they gave some sort of celebration for him.  Again, Camara doesn’t know this.

    At least Camara qualified with “think” his claim that Twain was an anti-Shakespearean only because people held Shakespeare in higher esteem than Twain.  I doubt anyone ever thought to compare Twain – the great playwright and poet, LOL – with Shakespeare.  Furthermore, in “Is Shakespeare Dead” Twain has nothing but praise for the man’s work itself and thus for the author, whoever it was.

    It just occurred to me: Camara’s crack about Twain hating Catholics might be due to his defense of Joan of Arc.  Read Twain’s essays on Joan of Arc; there are two, long and short.  Also his long essay in defense of Shelley’s wife.

    • Troll: R.G. Camara
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  • @Curle
    @R.G. Camara


    Those old judges who put this evil into place WASPs by and large. And knew what they were doing
     
    I tend to think they didn’t understand the scale of what was coming at them. Maybe Douglas did but he wanted the change.

    Though we’ve been taught to think of the Warren court as some period of exceptional judicial talent, I think on the whole they were fielding a weak bench. Conservatism, an extension of Protestantism at the time, was obsessed with defeating an ascendant communism at all costs and saw small moves in that direction as necessary to keep communism at bay. It is helpful to consider that secret American foreign policy post WW2, as demonstrated in the actions of the CIA, was to install moderately Leftist governments in post war Europe in the hope of fending off communist governments. To do that the CIA worked to ensure the defeat of conservative governments. This plan, called the Braden Plan, named for CIA big wig Tom Braden, later co-host of the Cross Fire tv show, was briefly discussed in the following broadcast:


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BPhYEFGaGM

    Replies: @Chris Moore, @R.G. Camara

    Conservatism, an extension of Protestantism at the time, was obsessed with defeating an ascendant communism at all costs and saw small moves in that direction as necessary to keep communism at bay.

    No, they were obsessed with helping it. Most of our spy apparatus was infiltrated by communists and sympathizers seeking to help it. McCarthy and the Cambridge 5 were just the tips of the icebergs.

    And communism has always been the philosophy of the 1%. It is a top-down apparatus. Jews and WASPs love it.

    Defeating the petty bourgeoisie in America—largely ethnics—was something the commies had to do to take over. Unlike with Russia, which had a top-down apparatus that commies seized, in America the power was more diffuse, and thus a take over would require defeating those factions by sabotage.

    It is helpful to consider that secret American foreign policy post WW2, as demonstrated in the actions of the CIA, was to install moderately Leftist governments in post war Europe in the hope of fending off communist governments.

    Viewed from another angle, it was the policy of pro-communist intelligence agencies to enact Communism via Fabianism in the west via slowly pushing them left, like installing further and further left-wing governments.

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  • @Dennis Dale
    @Corvinus

    That's a lot of assumption to pull out of one's ass. But then the enthusiastic "vague impression" has always been your forte.
    But why stop there? As long as you're improvising give us a lurid tale of espionage, murder and gratuitous sex. I'm already casting the film version.

    Replies: @Corvinus, @Reg Cæsar

    “That’s a lot of assumption to pull out of one’s ass. “

    Not at all. He has a book out. Paid appearances. Substack is a money machine for the one who NOTICES.

    “But why stop there? As long as you’re improvising give us a lurid tale of espionage, murder and gratuitous sex. I’m already casting the film version.”

    That’s Germ Theory”s wheelhouse.

    • Troll: R.G. Camara
    • Replies: @Dennis Dale
    @Corvinus

    I'm fine with Steve making a little money and getting his share of respectability, or whatever it is that motivates him, but I think the charge that Unz "stiffed" him should be based on more than assumption. We do know Ron insulted him by inferring his take on the Nordstream bombing was frankly stupid.

    That Unz did that publicly suggests he found, like a lot of readers, Steve's takes on Covid and Ukraine infuriatingly dull. It isn't that he's taken the side of lockdowns and vaccines, it's that he mischaracterized all other options as "let 'er rip". Remember that? The Ukraine war was similarly dumbed-down to "Putin you started it" (not quite true, but) ergo let 'er rip lunatic neocons arming Ukranian nazis (though Steve wouldn't even go so far as to examine our role and acknowledge the argument implicit in his glib analysis and say that outright).
    I've always said he could have just left these issues alone--and that would have been far superior to his contribution to the debates, such as they were.

    But I do want a dramatization of the beef. We'll cast younger Hollywood versions of the two principals. I see it as a Quinn-Martin satire. "Noticing and Murder in the Valley". Okay, the title needs work.

    Replies: @Dennis Dale, @kaganovitch, @Corvinus, @Mark G.

    , @R.G. Camara
    @Corvinus

    lol. Corvy, why do you pull everything you say out of your ass? Is it because David Brock puts it there for you?

    Replies: @Corvinus

  • @Corvinus
    @Dennis Dale

    “That’s a lot of assumption to pull out of one’s ass. “

    Not at all. He has a book out. Paid appearances. Substack is a money machine for the one who NOTICES.

    “But why stop there? As long as you’re improvising give us a lurid tale of espionage, murder and gratuitous sex. I’m already casting the film version.”

    That’s Germ Theory”s wheelhouse.

    Replies: @Dennis Dale, @R.G. Camara

    lol. Corvy, why do you pull everything you say out of your ass? Is it because David Brock puts it there for you?

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @R.G. Camara

    Mr. Sailer wants you to stop harassing him on his Substack. But that’s not your style. Putin pays you too much.

    Replies: @R.G. Camara

  • @Corvinus
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    LOL, he’s making way too much money at his other gig. Besides, my vague impression is that Mr. Unz stiffed Mr. Sailer, hence his departure.

    Replies: @Dennis Dale, @Nicholas Stix

    That’s a lot of assumption to pull out of one’s ass. But then the enthusiastic “vague impression” has always been your forte.
    But why stop there? As long as you’re improvising give us a lurid tale of espionage, murder and gratuitous sex. I’m already casting the film version.

    • Agree: R.G. Camara
    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Dennis Dale

    “That’s a lot of assumption to pull out of one’s ass. “

    Not at all. He has a book out. Paid appearances. Substack is a money machine for the one who NOTICES.

    “But why stop there? As long as you’re improvising give us a lurid tale of espionage, murder and gratuitous sex. I’m already casting the film version.”

    That’s Germ Theory”s wheelhouse.

    Replies: @Dennis Dale, @R.G. Camara

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Dennis Dale

    But then the enthusiastic “vague impression” has always been your forte.

    To be fair-- not that hectoring Crows deserve fairness-- Steve used the term quite a bit himself. He's a careful guy. Not prone to aver or assert or avow.

    Replies: @res

  • @Wokechoke
    Shiloh has raised almost 400k now.

    Replies: @Ralph L, @Mr. Anon, @Corvinus, @Almost Missouri

    “Shiloh has raised almost 400k now.”

    No comparison to Trump the grifter. If this was Biden doing this same thing, you’d be seething.

    —Trump announced this week that the top 220 buyers of his $Trump (strump, as in strumpet) meme coin between now and mid-May will be invited to an exclusive dinner on May 22 (“a night to remember”) at his golf club outside Washington, D.C. The Washington Post and other outlets have reported that in the days since the announcement, “buyers have poured tens of millions of dollars” into the coin; further, that the holders of 27 crypto wallets have acquired at least 100,000 coins apiece, “stakes worth about a million dollars each.” Holders of crypto wallets are anonymous, if they want to be, so the identities of these people (or businesses or countries or sovereign wealth funds or whatever they might be) are unknown and will presumably remain so until the big dinner or, who knows, maybe for all time.—

    • Troll: R.G. Camara
    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
    @Corvinus

    lol. U mad, wittle Soros-bot?

  • @Corvinus
    @Wokechoke

    “Shiloh has raised almost 400k now.”

    No comparison to Trump the grifter. If this was Biden doing this same thing, you’d be seething.

    —Trump announced this week that the top 220 buyers of his $Trump (strump, as in strumpet) meme coin between now and mid-May will be invited to an exclusive dinner on May 22 (“a night to remember”) at his golf club outside Washington, D.C. The Washington Post and other outlets have reported that in the days since the announcement, “buyers have poured tens of millions of dollars” into the coin; further, that the holders of 27 crypto wallets have acquired at least 100,000 coins apiece, “stakes worth about a million dollars each.” Holders of crypto wallets are anonymous, if they want to be, so the identities of these people (or businesses or countries or sovereign wealth funds or whatever they might be) are unknown and will presumably remain so until the big dinner or, who knows, maybe for all time.—

    Replies: @R.G. Camara

    lol. U mad, wittle Soros-bot?

  • This video is available on Rumble, Bitchute, Odysee, Telegram, and X. Last week, Heather Mac Donald, who is one of the best people in mainstream media, wrote this: “Trump Takes His Biggest Step Yet Toward Restoring Meritocracy.” He had just signed this executive order, which bans a pernicious legal doctrine called “disparate impact.” This terrible,...
  • Lots of folks have noted this is Jewish influence, but have ignored/forgotten it was WASPs as well.

    This was really a Jewish-WASP alliance against Ellis Island Catholics (Irish, Italian, and to a lesser extent Poles, French-Canadian, and German Catholics) and Southern protestant Scots-Irish, using blacks as the cat’s paw.

    WASP elite hated losing control of America to the Catholics and especially the Irish; e.g. the loss of Boston from Brahmin stronghold to the Honey Fitz-types was a huge blow ego-wise to the WASP powers of our nation. Ellis Island’s overload pissed the WASPs off to no end, but in the face of overwhelming numbers they couldn’t do much at first. Aligning with Jews to use Civil Rights laws to screw over the city Catholics who had taken over was sweet revenge. Punishing Scots-Irish in the South first with black integration was a welcome first blow and a test run from the WASP point of view.

    Earl Warrren? Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr.? William Douglas? Harry Blackmun? All WASP elitists.

    Those old judges who put this evil into place WASPs by and large. And knew what they were doing, with Jewish egging on.

    • Replies: @Curle
    @R.G. Camara


    Those old judges who put this evil into place WASPs by and large. And knew what they were doing
     
    I tend to think they didn’t understand the scale of what was coming at them. Maybe Douglas did but he wanted the change.

    Though we’ve been taught to think of the Warren court as some period of exceptional judicial talent, I think on the whole they were fielding a weak bench. Conservatism, an extension of Protestantism at the time, was obsessed with defeating an ascendant communism at all costs and saw small moves in that direction as necessary to keep communism at bay. It is helpful to consider that secret American foreign policy post WW2, as demonstrated in the actions of the CIA, was to install moderately Leftist governments in post war Europe in the hope of fending off communist governments. To do that the CIA worked to ensure the defeat of conservative governments. This plan, called the Braden Plan, named for CIA big wig Tom Braden, later co-host of the Cross Fire tv show, was briefly discussed in the following broadcast:


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BPhYEFGaGM

    Replies: @Chris Moore, @R.G. Camara

  • Last month the Trump Administration launched an unprecedented assault against academic and intellectual freedom in America, targeting many of our most elite institutions of higher education. As an example of this, enormous pressure was exerted against Columbia University in New York City by withdrawing $400 million in annual federal funding and demanding its full cooperation...
  • Clint Eastwood’s take on McCarthy was from his bio pic on Hoover was that McCarthy was “an opportunist, not a patriot.”

    BTW Ron, I’d love to hear your take on J. Edgar Hoover’s deliberate longtime denials of the existence of the Mafia until Joe Valachi testified to Congress in October 1963. The FBI working side by side with the Mafia and protecting them in exchange for street-level thug work and dock/shipping protection against Nazi and Communist saboteurs is a page of history woefully under developed.

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  • @R.G. Camara
    @Corvinus

    Corvy! I missed you, little Soros-troll. How was your Passover?

    Replies: @Corvinus

    I missed you, too. You must have gotten your back pay from Putin. We are all so lucky for you to once again soil this fine opinion webzine with your conspiracies about Jews. I will admit, it’s entertaining.

    • Troll: R.G. Camara
    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
    @Corvinus

    lol. Now now, little Soros-bot, you're telling on yourself with that projection. Anyone who disagrees with the Jewish Corvy must be a Putin-bot, for no one could ever disagree with Mr. Soros's favorite paid troll!

    Tell me, is there a list of "go-to responses" given to you by Media Matters, or is your knee-jerk " You're a Putin stooge!" spittling something innate to your low-IQ mind?

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @Corvinus

  • @Corvinus
    @R.G. Camara

    I missed you, too. You must have gotten your back pay from Putin. We are all so lucky for you to once again soil this fine opinion webzine with your conspiracies about Jews. I will admit, it’s entertaining.

    Replies: @R.G. Camara

    lol. Now now, little Soros-bot, you’re telling on yourself with that projection. Anyone who disagrees with the Jewish Corvy must be a Putin-bot, for no one could ever disagree with Mr. Soros’s favorite paid troll!

    Tell me, is there a list of “go-to responses” given to you by Media Matters, or is your knee-jerk ” You’re a Putin stooge!” spittling something innate to your low-IQ mind?

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @R.G. Camara


    lol. Now now, little Soros-bot, you’re telling on yourself with that projection. Anyone who disagrees with the Jewish Corvy must be a Putin-bot, for no one could ever disagree with Mr. Soros’s favorite paid troll!

     

    It's improbable Corvinus is Jewish. For one, he let his antisemitism show.

    ...The Christian view—one I share—is blacks who believe in God and Jesus are the same in their eyes when it comes to being treated with dignity and respect, just like white or Hispanic or Asian or indigenous who also believe in Him...
     
    Ergo, Jews would be less in God's eyes.
    , @Corvinus
    @R.G. Camara

    lol. Now now, little Putin-bot, you’re telling on yourself with that projection. Anyone who disagrees with RG Camara must be a Soros-bot, for no one could ever disagree with Mr. Putin’s favorite paid troll!

    Tell me, is there a list of “go-to responses” given to you by RT, or is your knee-jerk ” You’re a Soros stooge!” spittling something innate to your low-IQ mind?

    Right back at you!

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

  • @jb
    @MEH 0910

    Once again Steve has written something (possibly) interesting, and has made sure that nobody who isn't already a fan can see it. I really don't understand why he thinks this is a good way to build a subscriber base.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    It’s a great way to build his subscription base. He’s iSteve, the one who NOTICES. He got tired of you and us rubes of getting free stuff and gimmedats. Time to pay for his content.

    • Troll: R.G. Camara
  • @MGB
    @Achmed E. Newman


    Sailer still doesn’t think based on principles, only practicality, by the numbers.
     
    Sailer was an absolutely hysterical nincompoop when it came to the Covid. If thinking 'by the numbers' means he was willing to advocate for a police state if the threat to his health was hypothetically reduced by even .01%, then, yes, he was thinking by the numbers. I had disagreements with his various analyses in the past, but that display is what sunk his credibility. His silly retorts to questions about the numbers of deaths of various demographics during WWII were quite the spectacle as well. Nonetheless, as a catalyst to conversation here, he is missed.

    Replies: @OilcanFloyd, @Corvinus, @Eagle Eye

    “Sailer was an absolutely hysterical nincompoop when it came to the Covid.”

    To the contrary, he was generally on point.

    “If thinking ‘by the numbers’ means he was willing to advocate for a police state”

    See, right there is your problem. No police state was involved. Rather, it is representative democracy. Get it right next time.

    • Troll: R.G. Camara
    • Replies: @Corpse Tooth
    @Corvinus

    One day you'll be called upon to reckon with your misfire on the recent global chemistry experiment which we all had to weather. Steve, we all want you back in the clubhouse. But if you get another booster I'll literally kick your ass.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Corvinus


    To the contrary, he was generally on point.
     
    A nincompoop like you thinks he was "on point" (the kind of pretentious phrase I expect from an idiot like you). That just proves MGB's point.

    See, right there is your problem. No police state was involved. Rather, it is representative democracy. Get it right next time.
     
    You are a f**king idiot. A police state is exactly what it was heading toward in this country. In hell-holes like Victoria, Australia it was even farther advanced. I don't recall anybody voting on shutting down the entire World.

    But, leave it to a slavish toady like you to excuse it, you prating a**hat.

    Replies: @MGB, @Corvinus

    , @R.G. Camara
    @Corvinus

    Corvy! I missed you, little Soros-troll. How was your Passover?

    Replies: @Corvinus

  • @Corvinus
    @MGB

    “Sailer was an absolutely hysterical nincompoop when it came to the Covid.”

    To the contrary, he was generally on point.

    “If thinking ‘by the numbers’ means he was willing to advocate for a police state”

    See, right there is your problem. No police state was involved. Rather, it is representative democracy. Get it right next time.

    Replies: @Corpse Tooth, @Mr. Anon, @R.G. Camara

    Corvy! I missed you, little Soros-troll. How was your Passover?

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @R.G. Camara

    I missed you, too. You must have gotten your back pay from Putin. We are all so lucky for you to once again soil this fine opinion webzine with your conspiracies about Jews. I will admit, it’s entertaining.

    Replies: @R.G. Camara

  • Jonathan Allen and Amie Parnes, Fight: Inside the Wildest Battle for the White House, William Morrow, 2025, $23.14 (hardcover) 352 pp., $14.99 (kindle) Fight: Inside the Wildest Battle for the White House has a far different tone than the authors’ last campaign book, Shattered, which was about the 2016 election. Shattered was mostly about the...
  • @SMK
    @Diversity Heretic

    Why is Harris defined as "black" rather than Mumbai Indian? She's half Indian, 1/4 white, and 1/4 black. Her Indian mother has much darker skin than her "black" father, whose skin is so light that he could be a quadroon rather than a Mulatto. If so, then Kamala is only 1/8 black, an octoroon, and 3/8 white.

    Replies: @meamjojo, @HT, @Twodees Partain, @R.G. Camara

    Why is Harris defined as “black” rather than Mumbai Indian?

    Since the age of 18, Harris has very publicly and loudly defined herself as black. For university she chose Howard University, the most famous historically black college in the U.S., and conveniently located in Washington D.C. While at Howard, she was a very outgoing in joining a black sorority and being a loud well-known sorority girl (college-educated blacks take their membership in black-only fraternities/sororities very seriously; its a status fight amongst the black elite, like Skull & Bones membership v. Scroll & Key membership fights amongst Yalie grads).

    Thus, from her first days an adult, Harris’s choice to be identified as black was nakedly political: she chose to identify as black at a politically black school to get the DEI cred from the get-go. Her later public dalliances with Willie Brown and Montel Williams were also to assure her black street cred. She realized being black in U.S politics was akin to getting a 50 meter head start in a 100m dash and made sure she got it. Her accomplishment-free career, horridness on the national scene, and yet rocket-fueled rise to VP is only more proof that, at least among Democrats, being a black female who can read pablum will get you very, very far.

    Harris keeps her Indian side quiet. She acknowledges it in smaller moments, but on large stages and in public she’s Blackity Black Black Black, y’all! She knows where her career bread is buttered, and it ain’t on the Tamil side of town.

    • Thanks: Adam Birchdale
    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
    @R.G. Camara

    Some southern Indians are as black as pitch. In Tamil Nadu I often thought that I was back in Alice Springs, even down to the street dogs, so many facsimiles of dingoes-but WITH rabies.

  • Was Israel involved in the assassination of President John F. Kennedy? (Is there any hard evidence or is it mostly conjecture?). And if Israel was involved, then what was the alleged motive? Ron Unz---Although there exists no smoking gun proof implicating Israel and its Mossad in the JFK Assassination, there is an enormous mass of...
  • @Ron Unz
    @David In TN


    I asked you years ago why, if anyone wanted to get rid of JFK, they didn’t expose him with a sex scandal. You never gave a serious answer.

    For example, why didn’t the Deep State/Establishment expose the affair with the East German woman which almost came out in 1963 but was covered up? JFK would have been humiliated, discredited and forced to resign as a laughing stock.
     
    I'm surprised if I didn't since I've answered that question numerous times.

    It's obvious that the impact of a scandal is proportional to the media power that promotes it.

    For example, there were gigantic personal scandals in the backgrounds of Barack Obama and John McCain, but since the MSM ignored those, they had no impact upon their election campaigns:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-mutually-assured-political-destruction/#the-terrible-secrets-of-sen-barack-obama

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-when-tokyo-rose-ran-for-president/

    Or take the Hunter Biden laptop scandal of 2020. If the MSM had reported it, Trump would have won by a huge landslide. But the MSM hid it, so he didn't.

    The Kennedys totally dominated the MSM during the early 1960s, so a JFK sex scandal promoted by his enemies might have hurt him a little but hardly would have been fatal. Many powerful DC people had huge sex scandals back then, but those were all ignored by the MSM.

    Similarly, LBJ's enormous criminal history back in Texas was totally ignored by the MSM until the Kennedys decided to get rid of him in 1963 and orchestrated a planned Life Magazine expose intended to destroy him. But once JFK was dead and LBJ was president, the Life editors shredded the huge story they had produced.

    Replies: @David In TN, @R.G. Camara

    The Kennedys totally dominated the MSM during the early 1960s, so a JFK sex scandal promoted by his enemies might have hurt him a little but hardly would have been fatal.

    This I agree with. The Kennedy’s controlled so much of the media its embarrassing. For example, Ben Bradlee– the supposed “fearless” editor of the Washington Post who broke Watergate and helped take down Deep State-enemy Richard Nixon — was nothing more than Kennedy lackey, tagging along with JFK all during his administration as an eager partier/friend/confidant. Bradlee later published a book called Conversations With Kennedy, which is so much a tongue bathing of JFK during their friendship that Jackie should have sued for Bradlee being the other woman.

    (As for Bradlee’s “fearlessness” in going after Nixon—once a Democrat hatchet man, always a Democrat hatchet man. He went after JFK’s old opponent Nixon, the same as he had done in 1960, but this time with more power behind his position).

    The Kennedy’s have long courted media power. For example, Joe, the Irish rumrunner from Boston, was dispatched to Hollywood in the 1920s to “reorganize” (re: use violence to control) Hollywood studios. He banged every Hollywood starlet he could while bringing the violent hammer down on unruly Hollywood studios and unions and people who refused to play ball.

  • @Sparkon
    @R.G. Camara


    But most importantly you haven’t dealt with the obvious: Oswald. Oswald had motive, means, and opportunity.
     
    No he didn't.

    Lee Harvey Oswald told Sheriff Fritz that he was "out front with Bill Shelly" at the time of the shooting. Additionally, several TSBD workers said they saw Oswald on the 1st or 2nd floor around the time of the assassination, so in fact there was no opportunity for Lee Harvey Oswald to have shot Pres. Kennedy.

    According to Marina Oswald's testimony to the House Select Committee On Assassinations, Oswald expressed admiration for Pres. Kennedy, so there is no known motive for Oswald to have shot him.


    Marina Oswald: What I learned about John Kennedy it was only through Lee practically, and he always spoke very complimentary about the President. He was very happy when John Kennedy was elected.

    James McDonald: And you are saying while you were still in the Soviet Union he was very complimentary about John Kennedy?

    Marina Oswald: Yes, it seemed like he was talking about how young and attractive the President of the United States is.

    James McDonald: Can you recall during this time when he ever expressed any contrary views about Kennedy?

    Marina Oswald: Never.

    -- House Select Committee on Assassinations (13th September 1978)

     

    https://spartacus-educational.com/JFKoswaldM.htm

    The laughable paper trail from Klein's to Oswald's P.O. Box used in a flimsy attempt to link Oswald to the crappy bolt-action WWI-era weapon is riddled with holes and absurdities, starting with Oswald's easy access to over-the-counter, no questions asked gun purchases in and around Dallas.

    Indeed, Sheriff Will Fritz said later that nobody has ever been able to put a gun in the hands of Lee Harvey Oswald on the 6th floor of the TSBD at the time of the assassination.

    And of course since Pres. Kennedy was shot twice from the front, that by itself rules out Lee Harvey Oswald as Pres. Kennedy's assassin, as that shallow back wound wasn't lethal, whenever it was inflicted, which itself has never been determined, nor by whom, but Oswald had neither the means, motive or opportunity, anyway, to have done any shooting or killing on Nov. 22, 1963.

    Your arguments about RFK's assassination are similar low-grade, illogical rubbish. I'd say you need help but prolly you're just somebody's hired hack.

    Of course by now I've learned one should never under-estimate human stupidity. In the race to the bottom, new lows are being established all the time.

    Replies: @R.G. Camara

    *eyeroll*

    Lee Harvey Oswald told Sheriff Fritz that he was “out front with Bill Shelly” at the time of the shooting.

    Guy accused of crime denies committing crime. Film at 11.

    several TSBD workers said they saw Oswald on the 1st or 2nd floor around the time of the assassination,

    Very precise there. (/s)

    Oswald expressed admiration for Pres. Kennedy, so there is no known motive for Oswald to have shot him.

    JFK’s time in office:
    -Launched Vietnam War to contain Communism
    -Launched Bay of Pigs (against communism)
    -Cuban Missile Crisis (against communism)
    -Berlin Wall erected overnight in the face of JFK’s policies.
    -JFK delivers the fiery, stridently oppositional ” Ich bin ein Berliner” speech in response to Berlin Wall.

    By November 1963, it was clear that JFK was openly hostile and aggressive against Communism, to the point of military action on 3 of 5 occasions above, and was threatening it in Berlin. Whatever Oswald felt in 1960 when JFK was elected, by November 1963 JFK was revealed a violent, and even reckless, enemy of communism, thus Oswald’s motive.

    QED.

    And of course since Pres. Kennedy was shot twice from the front, that by itself rules out Lee Harvey Oswald as Pres. Kennedy’s assassin.

    Oswald shots have been repeatedly shown to have been possible using physics and computer recreations. A motivated shooter could have made the shots, and Oswald was indeed motivated.

    Motive, means, and opportunity for Oswald have thus all been established. Thus the only question is whether Oswald acted alone or else he did it as part of a larger effort.

    • Replies: @Sparkon
    @R.G. Camara


    Oswald shots have been repeatedly shown to have been possible using physics and computer recreations
     
    Pres. Kennedy was hit twice from the front - in the throat and right temple - by shots fired from in front of the motorcade, from the vicinity of the south grassy knoll / Terminal Annex parking lot, a long way from where Lee Harvey Oswald was standing at the time.

    Nothing you say or any computer simulation can change that, so you've just verified that you're an ignorant fool, a hired hack, or both.

    As I've shown, Lee Harvey Oswald had neither the means, motive nor the opportunity to shoot JFK as he was standing in front of the TSBD at the time of the assassination, just as he claimed, just as several eyewitnesses stated, and just at the photograph Altgens 6 shows: Lee Harvey Oswald wearing the same rumpled brown shirt unbuttoned in front that he was wearing when he was arrested in the Texas theater.

    Somebody crudely pasted Billy Lovelady's face over Oswald's in Ike Altgen's famous photo (6), which also shows the hole in the windshield from the bullet that hit Pres. Kennedy in the throat, as does Altgens 7 showing the same hole from a different angle as the limo speeds away with the mortally wounded President in the back seat.


    https://api.time.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/lb_maccammon.jpg

    Photo: James “Jim” MacCammon, Time magazine.

    All you've established, R.G. Camara, is that you're an outrageous disingenuous disinfo agent and troll, so give it up, slick. because I've got your number.
    , @Curle
    @R.G. Camara


    Motive, means, and opportunity for Oswald have thus all been established. Thus the only question is whether Oswald acted alone or else he did it as part of a larger effort.
     
    No. Oswald having motive, means and opportunity does not limit the possibilities from three to the two you listed. The minimum three are: 1) Oswald alone; 2) Oswald + others; and 3) Others - Oswald.

    “[O]f Thompson's earwitnesses who did mention a location, about 52% identified the grassy knoll or triple underpass region and about 39% mentioned the TSBD building.”

    https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8637832/
    , @The Old Philosopher
    @R.G. Camara

    Alleges:

    Motive, means(e.a.), and opportunity for Oswald have thus all been established. Thus the only question is whether Oswald acted alone or else he did it as part of a larger effort.

    Let's see. Reading from the "Summary and Conclusions of the Esteemed Commission's Report, one finds in paragraph 1 (b) that: "The nearly whole bullet found Governor Connally's stretcher at Parkland Memorial Hospital and the two bullet fragments found in the front seat of the Presidential Limousine were fired from the 6.5 millimeter Mannlicher Carcano rifle found on the Sixth Floor of the Depository Building to the exclusion of all other weapons"; and (c) The three used cartridge found near the window on the sixth floor of the southeast corner of the building were fired from the same rifle which fired the above-described bullets and fragments, to the exclusion of all other weapons."

    Anybody notice what critical facts are missing that are necessary to complete the set of circumstances to establish that theat rifle was, indeed the means for committing the shooting?

    Well let's see. At least the following for starters:

    1. The bullet from the rifle aCTUALLY CAUSED ANY AND ALL OF THE INJURIES INFLICTED ON THE VICTIMS AT THE TIME THEY WERE INFLICTED to "the exclusion of all other bullets."

    2. The bullet from the rifle that caused the injuries that was recovered from some stretcher was actually fired from that rifle as of the exact time the shooting occurred to the exclusion of all other times they could have been fired from that rifle..

    3. That the cartridge cases found were fired from that rifle at the exact time of the assassination to the exclusion of all other possible times.

    Notice how the commission uses that phrase "to the exclusion of all other" etc to make it appear it thereby pinpoints that the item referenced was proven to have been used at the exact time of the assassination to the exclusion of all other times, but fails to so affirm it with respect to the three critical facts necessary tp prove the weapon and Oswald actually fired the bullets (the means) that allegedly inflicted the wounds.

    By failing to say so, the Commission left an enormous gap in the circumstantial evidence it pointed to that allegedly proved Oswald did it when at the necessary facts that are to establish the complete set of ircumstances to establish Oswald did it are completelyu missing from the evidence iot provided.

    The case aGAINST oSWALD WAS A FRAUD AND THE cOMMSIION KNEW IT WHIHC IS WHEY IT FAILED TO AFFIRM THE PRESENCE OF THE FACTS NECESARY TO ESTABLISH oSWALD HAD THE MEANS TO COMMIT THE ASSASSINATION.

  • Ron, your argument in favor Israel being involved is fairly weak:

    -Israelis tried to kill a U.S. president before
    -Kennedy opposed Israel’s nuclear policy
    -Johnson was scared the Kennedy’s were about to destroy him, and was pro-Israel
    -the only policy that significantly changed was U.S. policy towards Israel
    -Johnson immediately ducked when he heard gunfire
    -Sirhan Sirhan, a Palestinian, was described as “in a trance” when he acted, and was a distraction for the real killer (the security guard you claim hated the Kennedys)

    All of this is so much smoke of proof. Lots of groups hate U.S. presidents—goes with the job. Lots of groups try to assassinate U.S. presidents—goes with the job (e.g. Truman was not only a target of Israelis, but also Puerto Rican nationalists). Motive to kill is thus not enough: lots of people had motive to kill JFK.

    Johnson’s political career destroyed by an article? Why would someone trying to kill JFK need Johnson’s ok? Telling Johnson was unnecessary under your theory. And Johnson ducking when he heard a gunshot? I mean, are you really saying a high-level figure who ducks when he hears gunshots “proves” anything? Lots of people will react in fear upon hearing a gunshot. The fact that Johnson reacted more quickly than others proves nothing other than self-preservation instincts.

    But most importantly you haven’t dealt with the obvious: Oswald. Oswald had motive, means, and opportunity. Oswald could have made the shots, Oswald was a motivated actor (lifelong committed communist/JFK was belligerent with communists from the start of his administration), Oswald had the opportunity to make the shots (was in that nest).

    Many Oswald denialists hand wave these details away, or else start giving false facts, e.g. about how much time Oswald had to make the shots. If you’re going to assert a conspiracy, start with proving that Oswald couldn’t have made those shots. However, if you agree he could, but still think there was a conspiracy, then explore what connections he had before going postal on JFK. What has been long denied by conspiracy theorists is the Communist desire to be rid of JFK, and how Oswald as a lifelong communist was doing what most communists wanted done at the time–kill the anti-communist JFK. And lots of communists infiltrated U.S. positions at high posts–e.g., Alger Hiss. As in other high-level security/spy services (e.g. the Cambridge 5).

    As to RFK: having Sirhan Sirhan be a “patsy” makes no sense where he did it. A crowded back room with RFK loyalists, where a secret henchmen security guard can kill RFK with no one in his bodyguard/retinue of followers noticing or grabbing him as the real killer? That’s far too many moving parts to get away with it, far too much that could have gone wrong, too many eyes and ears present who could have noticed something was amiss. e.g., was Rosy Grier in on it? George Plimpton?

    More likely Sirhan was the real killer and was brainwashed to do so, and any other shots might have come from the security guard/others returning fire.

    Now, as to the trance-like description of Sirhan: the CIA and KGB did a lot of work on hypnosis/brainwashing in the 40s and 50s (e.g. MKULTRA). Oswald and Sirhan fit the bill as brainwashed “true believers” in their respective causes, killing figures harmful to both the CIA and the communists. All with the plausible deniability of “lone nuts.” Look there. Maybe Israel was involved in the brainwashing/hypnosis, maybe not, but what you have is just your own personal hypothesis with no proof other than motive.

    • Replies: @Sparkon
    @R.G. Camara


    But most importantly you haven’t dealt with the obvious: Oswald. Oswald had motive, means, and opportunity.
     
    No he didn't.

    Lee Harvey Oswald told Sheriff Fritz that he was "out front with Bill Shelly" at the time of the shooting. Additionally, several TSBD workers said they saw Oswald on the 1st or 2nd floor around the time of the assassination, so in fact there was no opportunity for Lee Harvey Oswald to have shot Pres. Kennedy.

    According to Marina Oswald's testimony to the House Select Committee On Assassinations, Oswald expressed admiration for Pres. Kennedy, so there is no known motive for Oswald to have shot him.


    Marina Oswald: What I learned about John Kennedy it was only through Lee practically, and he always spoke very complimentary about the President. He was very happy when John Kennedy was elected.

    James McDonald: And you are saying while you were still in the Soviet Union he was very complimentary about John Kennedy?

    Marina Oswald: Yes, it seemed like he was talking about how young and attractive the President of the United States is.

    James McDonald: Can you recall during this time when he ever expressed any contrary views about Kennedy?

    Marina Oswald: Never.

    -- House Select Committee on Assassinations (13th September 1978)

     

    https://spartacus-educational.com/JFKoswaldM.htm

    The laughable paper trail from Klein's to Oswald's P.O. Box used in a flimsy attempt to link Oswald to the crappy bolt-action WWI-era weapon is riddled with holes and absurdities, starting with Oswald's easy access to over-the-counter, no questions asked gun purchases in and around Dallas.

    Indeed, Sheriff Will Fritz said later that nobody has ever been able to put a gun in the hands of Lee Harvey Oswald on the 6th floor of the TSBD at the time of the assassination.

    And of course since Pres. Kennedy was shot twice from the front, that by itself rules out Lee Harvey Oswald as Pres. Kennedy's assassin, as that shallow back wound wasn't lethal, whenever it was inflicted, which itself has never been determined, nor by whom, but Oswald had neither the means, motive or opportunity, anyway, to have done any shooting or killing on Nov. 22, 1963.

    Your arguments about RFK's assassination are similar low-grade, illogical rubbish. I'd say you need help but prolly you're just somebody's hired hack.

    Of course by now I've learned one should never under-estimate human stupidity. In the race to the bottom, new lows are being established all the time.

    Replies: @R.G. Camara

  • We may be witnessing the ongoing destruction of one of the greatest pillars of postwar American global influence and hegemony. Late last week an astonishing event occurred in American society, and video clips of that incident quickly went viral across the Internet. A 30-year-old Tufts doctoral student and Fulbright Scholar from Turkey was walking across...
  • Trump, a lifetime NYCer (largest Jewish city in the world) who worked in NYC real estate (heavily Jewish) and then became a major TV star (Hollywood run by Jews) who’s own daughter married a Jew and converted (and both became his closest advisors) knows the # 1 rule in the world:

    Don’t Cross the Jews.

  • Here’s a new Open Thread for all of you. For those interested, here's my most recent article: How Israel Killed the Kennedys Ron Unz • The Unz Review • March 24, 2025 • 11,500 Words On this same topic, here's Laurent Guyénot's YouTube documentary. Although it's perhaps a little too hagiographic, I think it's the...
  • @muggles
    @Buzz Mohawk


    My point stands: Sailer is a conventional thinker who supports the powers that be and inserts mainstream assumptions into his writing.
     
    This is a rather odd assertion about our now departed iSteve.

    How "conventional" is "noticing" things which are rarely if ever seen in Respectable Media?

    How does he, any more than you or I, "support the powers that be'?

    Should we be vandalizing Teslaas now? Rioting w/ BLM and antifa? Voting for Kamala?

    How does he "insert mainstream assumptions into his writing" any more than anyone else?

    He isn't pro Hitler or Stalin either. People who try to follow your Style Guide here are mostly in nuthouses or posting rants elsewhere. Nor is Sailer required to be a Rebel With All the Causes.

    Steve does have an eye for the unusual, but with literally thousands of posts and articles on Unz and elsewhere, how "different" must he be to satisfy your tastes?

    Your own stuff here hasn't been particularly earth shattering either. Most of what we observe is pretty much what it seems to be.

    If I had a buck for every bad "prediction" here, I'd be in a much higher tax bracket. But that's just my sour "mainstream" assumption back in my harness.

    Replies: @R.G. Camara

    I think Steve’s mindset has always been that he deliberately wouldn’t “notice” anything beyond a few pet bugaboos that he could easily and ruthlessly defend with statistics. This would separate him from other people, who notice one thing and then start noticing a whole bunch of things in other areas, rendering them vulnerable to the “conspiracy theorist” label. Thus, Steve could seem more believable to a lot more people.

    Can’t say he’s wrong to have that mindset. Steve was cancelled two decades ago and yet just had a hit book and is thriving at his new blog and is the most influential deep thinker of the Dissident Right (and all the Right, if we’re honest).

    All this from a guy who regularly posts about the intricacies of golf course architecture. Wild!

    • Replies: @Pericles
    @R.G. Camara

    When you look at what Sailer wrote in, say, 2014, his 2024 work and topics seem fairly watered-down. It might be age, it might be deciding to get along better. Well, now he's somewhat acceptable again. I say enjoy it while it lasts, Steve.

    Replies: @Sam Hildebrand, @Hail

  • @Achmed E. Newman
    @R.G. Camara

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCstmBw-2oU

    No, no thanks required. That's what I'm here for.

    Replies: @R.G. Camara

    lol. But I give you thanks anyway.

  • Last month, Achmed E. Newman left a comment in Bugs/Suggestions: Soon afterwards, I replied: A couple of days later, I included this exchange in the most recent Steve Sailer thread, and seemed to generally got a very positive reaction. Since it's now been more than a couple of weeks since Steve's last post, and the...
  • @Corvinus
    @kaganovitch

    It’s telling that you favor someone who clearly wants you and your tribe dead.

    Replies: @kaganovitch

    It’s telling that you favor someone who clearly wants you and your tribe dead.

    On the contrary, I was calling him out for anti-Jewish animus!

    • Disagree: Corvinus
    • LOL: R.G. Camara
  • @R.G. Camara
    @Corvinus

    lmao. Ooh, so now we know Corvy's Jewish as well as a paid troll. Will his revelations never cease?

    Replies: @Corvinus, @Colin Wright, @kaganovitch

    lmao. Ooh, so now we know Corvy’s Jewish as well as a paid troll.

    I’m generally pretty chill about anti-Jewish stuff. But Corvy Jewish? Them’s fightin’ words!

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @kaganovitch

    Practically a blood libel!

    Replies: @kaganovitch

    , @Corvinus
    @kaganovitch

    It’s telling that you favor someone who clearly wants you and your tribe dead.

    Replies: @kaganovitch

  • Here’s a new Open Thread for all of you. For those interested, here's my most recent article: How Israel Killed the Kennedys Ron Unz • The Unz Review • March 24, 2025 • 11,500 Words On this same topic, here's Laurent Guyénot's YouTube documentary. Although it's perhaps a little too hagiographic, I think it's the...
  • @Old Prude
    @epebble

    “Levels of indecency never before seen”

    Worse than Clinton’s antics, or Biden soiling himself? Sullivan has a rather elastic idea of indecency, which isn’t a surprise coming from a degenerate.

    Replies: @R.G. Camara

    Hysterical sissy is hysterical sissy, film at 11.

    Sullivan hyperventialated on Bill Maher about the deportations of Venezuelan gang members, breaking down in tears. Probably because his rent boys were trafficked by the gang.

    • LOL: Old Prude
  • @epebble
    @Hail

    Andrew Sullivan has written a critique of the first two months of Trump presidency.


    Yes, it’s been a big beautiful opener from MAGA 2.0., hasn’t it?

    In all fairness, let’s start with a real, substantive achievement. The Southern border is more secure than it has been in decades. . . .

    But the rest is chaos, malice, revenge, and failure, tinged with levels of indecency never before seen from the Oval Office.

     

    https://andrewsullivan.substack.com/p/two-perfect-months-506?triedRedirect=true

    Replies: @Old Prude, @Corvinus, @R.G. Camara

    “Levels of indecency never before seen”

    Worse than Clinton’s antics, or Biden soiling himself? Sullivan has a rather elastic idea of indecency, which isn’t a surprise coming from a degenerate.

    • Agree: Mark G., R.G. Camara
    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
    @Old Prude

    Hysterical sissy is hysterical sissy, film at 11.

    Sullivan hyperventialated on Bill Maher about the deportations of Venezuelan gang members, breaking down in tears. Probably because his rent boys were trafficked by the gang.

  • @epebble
    @Hail

    Andrew Sullivan has written a critique of the first two months of Trump presidency.


    Yes, it’s been a big beautiful opener from MAGA 2.0., hasn’t it?

    In all fairness, let’s start with a real, substantive achievement. The Southern border is more secure than it has been in decades. . . .

    But the rest is chaos, malice, revenge, and failure, tinged with levels of indecency never before seen from the Oval Office.

     

    https://andrewsullivan.substack.com/p/two-perfect-months-506?triedRedirect=true

    Replies: @Old Prude, @Corvinus, @R.G. Camara

    Andrew Sullivan.

    What a fag.

    • Agree: Mike Tre, Old Prude
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @R.G. Camara

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCstmBw-2oU

    No, no thanks required. That's what I'm here for.

    Replies: @R.G. Camara

  • @epebble
    @Hail

    Andrew Sullivan has written a critique of the first two months of Trump presidency.


    Yes, it’s been a big beautiful opener from MAGA 2.0., hasn’t it?

    In all fairness, let’s start with a real, substantive achievement. The Southern border is more secure than it has been in decades. . . .

    But the rest is chaos, malice, revenge, and failure, tinged with levels of indecency never before seen from the Oval Office.

     

    https://andrewsullivan.substack.com/p/two-perfect-months-506?triedRedirect=true

    Replies: @Old Prude, @Corvinus, @R.G. Camara

    News Channel 3 (local CBS affiliate in Detroit): “CBS News Detroit’s Jack Springgate spoke with two cancer survivors who attended the rally. ‘They’re cutting children’s cancer research and the NIH and also interfering with grant funding rules for medical research,’ said rally attendee Elliot Stephens. ‘I have a daughter with cancer, and that for me is unforgivable.’ Stephens and his brother are also cancer survivors. They say potential health care cuts could have fatal consequences. ‘If they cut Medicaid, that’s going to hurt a lot of people,’ Elliot Stephens said. ‘Senior citizens, disabled people, single moms, children who rely on Medicaid, it’s going to hurt them. People are going to die from that.’”

    Oh, well. Too bad for then. According to Elon, if they die, they die.

    • Troll: R.G. Camara
    • Replies: @epebble
    @Corvinus

    Sad as that may be, when money starts drying out, something has to be cut. Whether they are cutting the right things is debatable, but this is bankruptcy time for the government and many an egg will be broken and many an ox will be gored. You can bet that bad moon is rising for the economy.

    Replies: @Mark G., @Achmed E. Newman, @Corvinus

    , @Old Prude
    @Corvinus

    Corvina, cuts in legitimate Medicare and social security payments will occur right after the invasion of Greenland.

    None of the cancer protesters are going to die because of Trump, and they know it. They just hate the Orange Man. Using their own sick kid to hate on Trump is typical of these hatey haters.

    , @Brutusale
    @Corvinus

    Only Cyprus does a better job against cancer.

    https://wisevoter.com/country-rankings/cancer-survival-rates-by-country/

    I know it taxes your already strained intellect, but does any of the hundreds of billions of dollars wasted on things like trans awareness in Peru impact the ability of the government to cure childhood cancer?

    What's important to the Left?

  • @Corvinus
    @epebble

    News Channel 3 (local CBS affiliate in Detroit): “CBS News Detroit’s Jack Springgate spoke with two cancer survivors who attended the rally. ‘They’re cutting children’s cancer research and the NIH and also interfering with grant funding rules for medical research,’ said rally attendee Elliot Stephens. ‘I have a daughter with cancer, and that for me is unforgivable.’ Stephens and his brother are also cancer survivors. They say potential health care cuts could have fatal consequences. ‘If they cut Medicaid, that’s going to hurt a lot of people,’ Elliot Stephens said. ‘Senior citizens, disabled people, single moms, children who rely on Medicaid, it’s going to hurt them. People are going to die from that.’”

    Oh, well. Too bad for then. According to Elon, if they die, they die.

    Replies: @epebble, @Old Prude, @Brutusale

    Corvina, cuts in legitimate Medicare and social security payments will occur right after the invasion of Greenland.

    None of the cancer protesters are going to die because of Trump, and they know it. They just hate the Orange Man. Using their own sick kid to hate on Trump is typical of these hatey haters.

    • Agree: R.G. Camara
    • Disagree: Corvinus
  • @Corvinus
    @Mark G.

    “The change came in 2022. Steve had opposed the Iraq war but seemed to come out in favor of the United States engaging in a proxy war against Russia in the Ukraine.”

    He is opposed to dictatorships. Foreign, at least.

    “We have also become involved in a proxy war against the Palestinians using the Israelis and Steve appears to be in favor of this too.”

    No, he is not. That is all Trump and Vance. But whites who voted for them knew this Jewish alliance and essentially went against their own interests.

    Isn’t it time for you to heed Elon’s call to retire from the Swamp?

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @R.G. Camara, @epebble

    lol. Now now Corvy, would your rabbi like you saying that, no matter how much Mr. Soros pays you?

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @R.G. Camara

    How much does Putin pay you?

  • There cannot be a more perfect example of mass gaslighting than the 1998 Coen brothers’ film The Big Lebowski. By inverting sloth, fecklessness, penury, and alcoholism into admirable qualities—essentially making it cool to be a loser—this film offers up the Jewish ideal for a gentile in the character of the Dude. He’s laid back, utterly...
  • Disagree that we’re not supposed to laugh at the Dude. Plenty of scenes come to mind:

    -When he’s high as a kite driving his car and singing Creedence
    -When he’s wide eyed in his dream sequence staring up women’s skirts
    -When he gets Donny’s ashes blown in his face
    -when he executes the lame comeback “Well, that’s just like, your opinion man.”
    etc.

    I do agree the Cohens downplay his loserishness because he is the main character, but we are still meant to find him a figure of fun. Its just that he’s the laid back, directionless weirdo surrounded by a maelstrom of hyper-driven weirdos on their life missions. So the Dude gets swept up in their adventures by the force of their winds, and his outsider status to their lives allows their weirdness to shine through. He comes across as likeable because everyone else’s schemes and drives and actions seem so bizarre when viewed from the outside. I mean, why bother, man?

    Its a similar setup to Seinfeld, where Jerry is surrounded by crazies and he’s the sanest one, but still has foibles to laugh at (e.g. his always finding a small tick in a gf to cause him to break up, his weird hate-rivalry with Newman).

    The Big Lebowski paints LA not as some metropolis but as a small town full of weirdos. The only catch is that all the weirdos get caught up in a murder-kidnapping plot involving a porn slut.

  • Last month, Achmed E. Newman left a comment in Bugs/Suggestions: Soon afterwards, I replied: A couple of days later, I included this exchange in the most recent Steve Sailer thread, and seemed to generally got a very positive reaction. Since it's now been more than a couple of weeks since Steve's last post, and the...
  • @Corvinus
    @R.G. Camara

    You have an absolute Jew fetish. This is why you are no doubt on the Putin payroll.

    And I see why Mr. Sailer tolerates you on his Substack. You have to pay him to comment there, so he is not going to boot a customer.

    At least here he would have put your comments in moderation, like Greta who still remains bitter about it, to be seen much later. But since he isn't here to keep you in line, you get to soil this fine opinion webzine with nonsense such as "Like women, (Jews) are always the victim without cause or accountability, and their victimhood must be so hysterically extreme; everyone must be out to get them."

    But at least res and AlmostMissouri find such comments logical, right? (rolling of eyes)

    Replies: @R.G. Camara

    lmao. Ooh, so now we know Corvy’s Jewish as well as a paid troll. Will his revelations never cease?

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @R.G. Camara

    It’s pathetic how you resort to the same tired attacks time and time every single time with anyone disagrees with you.

    , @Colin Wright
    @R.G. Camara


    'lmao. Ooh, so now we know Corvy’s Jewish as well as a paid troll.'
     
    I was still getting used to the idea that it's a girl.
    , @kaganovitch
    @R.G. Camara


    lmao. Ooh, so now we know Corvy’s Jewish as well as a paid troll.
     
    I'm generally pretty chill about anti-Jewish stuff. But Corvy Jewish? Them's fightin' words!

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Corvinus

  • @Jonathan Mason
    @Jack D


    If you want an accurate number just ask ChatGPT or any other AI. They will tell you it was approximately 6 million because that is the number that is widely accepted by reputable scholars and historians who are not Holocaust deniers like you.
     
    Ultimately the number is meaningless and can only be an approximation.

    For example, Belsen was a horrific concentration camp, but it didn't have gas chambers and it wasn't run specifically as an extermination camp.

    However thousands died of malnutrition, because there simply wasn't enough food. And many died of infectious diseases such as typhus, tuberculosis, and dysentery, many of whom were weakened by malnutrition.

    The science of prisonology simply wasn't there.

    The British forces who liberated Belsen were absolutely shocked and horrified by what they found.

    However this did not take place in the age of supermarkets and massive wholesale distribution centers.

    In wartime time Germany when the entire British civilian population was still on food rationing that was still in effect in the early 50s when I was a child, they probably simply didn't have the food or the logistics to provide adequate nutrition to thousands of detainees.

    There is little doubt that the management of the concentration camps was incompetent, untrained, and lacking in resources.

    The six million figure is reasonable, but if you had six million death certificates and you could feed them into a computer, probably many of them would have multiple causes of death, including murder.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Almost Missouri, @R.G. Camara

    The problem with your theory is that it makes too much sense and fits the facts.

    Jews have a persecution complex. Like women, they are always the victim without cause or accountability, and their victimhood must be so hysterically extreme; everyone must be out to get them.

    Therefore, to Jewish paranoia can’t just be error, it must the super-hyper-competent-conspiring Nazis ruthlessly and efficiently murdering everyone so precisely and can’t just be typical wartime conditions.

    Jews got kicked out of 100+ countries because they economically exploited the locals ruthlessly, refused to assimilate, spat upon local houses of worship, pushed horrendous vices on the locals to control them, and let a small group of their unhinged brethren commit rape and murder on locals whilst covering it up.

    Yet despite such cold hard facts Jews claim they were only thrown out due to anti-Semitism and they did nothing wrong. Such a group psychological failure to admit wrongdoing shows a selfish group persecution complex that means that when they actually do get the sharp end of the sword in the mouth it must be (in their minds) so surgically cut into them as to carve a name in cursive instead of a random jab.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @R.G. Camara

    You have an absolute Jew fetish. This is why you are no doubt on the Putin payroll.

    And I see why Mr. Sailer tolerates you on his Substack. You have to pay him to comment there, so he is not going to boot a customer.

    At least here he would have put your comments in moderation, like Greta who still remains bitter about it, to be seen much later. But since he isn't here to keep you in line, you get to soil this fine opinion webzine with nonsense such as "Like women, (Jews) are always the victim without cause or accountability, and their victimhood must be so hysterically extreme; everyone must be out to get them."

    But at least res and AlmostMissouri find such comments logical, right? (rolling of eyes)

    Replies: @R.G. Camara

  • @John Johnson
    @epebble

    There is a theory that a mild recession may lower long bond rates and reduce the budget deficit on our huge national debt.

    Even if the theory is true that would still take time.

    If he stalls the market and drops demand then it won't matter if borrowing costs are lower. A year long recession could wipe out any long term gains as the government runs up more debt from less revenue.

    Trump doesn't know what he is doing. It's like a monkey with an AK-47 trying to shoot a bottle.

    Replies: @R.G. Camara, @kaganovitch

    lol. Mr. Soros really paying you a lot for these kinds of posts, eh?

    • Troll: guest007
    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @R.G. Camara

    lol. Mr. Soros really paying you a lot for these kinds of posts, eh?

    Yea that must be it. It couldn't be that someone on the internet thinks that starting 4 trade wars is stupid. Such a poster must be paid by Soros. Was Vance paid by Soros when he used to criticize Trump? Or Rubio? You know, before they whored themselves out for power? Vance did not vote for Trump over Hillary in 2016 and instead endorsed a no-chance libertarian.

    So you would like to go on record that you believe in Trump at this stage?

    Canada is one of our biggest trade partners and sells energy to states on the border.

    That means they can throw their own tariffs on electricity going to MAGA voters.

    Care to guess if that would help with inflation or Trump's approval rating?

    You might want to share this image with your Cheeto felon before he hits his big dumb tariffs button:


    https://connect2canada.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/CSIS-2021-US-Canada_EnergyMap-1024x691.jpg

  • @R.G. Camara
    @Colin Wright

    The "6 million" number is some kind of recurring trope amongst The Tribe historically. Before the Holocaust, it was a number that got repeated in many situations. It may be just a default kneejerk number they repeat due to that, or it may have some sort of religious significance now forgotten. Or perhaps in Hebrew/Yiddish it rhymed or something (I don't know, I don't know those languages).

    I've not found the origin yet, but I believe its similar to when a little kid might constantly say "a billion people" or "a billion things to do" when describing a large number. Except that Jews have decided that now its not merely a placeholder for "a lot" but is an accurate, definitive number for the Holocaust. Which makes them look silly and like liars.

    As you've stated, if they just climbed down off defending this number as sacrosanct the Holocaust deniers would largely dry up. But like their foolish refusal to admit Leo Frank obviously raped and killed Mary Phagen, or that the Rosenbergs were indeed both guilty spies for communists, they discredit themselves thoroughly by standing on this number with such fantaticism.

    Much like women, Jews cannot merely admit they were wrong and climb down off their obvious mistakes, and get hysterically vindictively angry when you try to make them. 100+ countries and counting...

    Replies: @kaganovitch

    The “6 million” number is some kind of recurring trope amongst The Tribe historically. Before the Holocaust, it was a number that got repeated in many situations. It may be just a default kneejerk number they repeat due to that, or it may have some sort of religious significance now forgotten. Or perhaps in Hebrew/Yiddish it rhymed or something (I don’t know, I don’t know those languages).

    I do know both those languages and I am unaware of this trope/repetition in many situations. I suspect that your source has confused the number 600,000, which is indeed a ‘trope’ in Jewish history (The number of those who left Egypt, a general number meant to encompass the Jewish nation, etc.) with 6 million.

    • Thanks: R.G. Camara
    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
    @kaganovitch

    Ah, thank you. So perhaps 600K got an extra zero added to it at some point.

    , @Colin Wright
    @kaganovitch


    'I do know both those languages and I am unaware of this trope/repetition in many situations. I suspect that your source has confused the number 600,000, which is indeed a ‘trope’ in Jewish history (The number of those who left Egypt, a general number meant to encompass the Jewish nation, etc.) with 6 million.'
     
    I think it has more to do with digging in and refusing to yield any ground. Six million was proffered as a plausible figure in 1945 -- which, given the available data, it was -- and six million it has remained.

    There's a rigid, black/white outlook that holds Israel is right, Jews are morally immaculate victims -- and the Nazis killed six million. In this paradigm, either you parrot 'six million' and you're with us, or you don't -- and so you're against us. The truth of the matter becomes secondary.

    See if you can get JackD to admit the real figure is more likely to be 5.1 million.

    Frankly, I've never quite understood why it matters so much. Suppose the Nazis had killed four million? Suppose they had killed seven million? Obviously, it would matter a great deal to putative victim no. 4,377,248 -- but to the rest of us? I fail to see the distinction. The essential point is that the Nazis did try to kill virtually every Jew they could lay their hands on.

    Replies: @Jack D, @kaganovitch

    , @res
    @kaganovitch

    "Six million" apparently came up a lot before WWII.
    https://www.unz.com/article/the-holocaust-of-six-million-jews-in-world-war-i/

    Replies: @HA

    , @HA
    @kaganovitch

    "I do know both those languages and I am unaware of this trope/repetition in many situations."

    The notion that "SIX MILLION" is some magic mantra that the elders of Zion began to float into the Zeitgeist in the decades leading up to the Holocaust is indeed something of a trope in Holocaust denial circles. Here's the usual copypasta version as it appeared it Unz a while back. (though I was able to find a slightly larger list elsewhere). Spooky, right?

    Then again, given that the rough count of Jews under German/Russian/Polish control varied between two to six million in the early decades of the 20th century, depending on how boundaries shifted around back then, one should expect to be able to cherry-pick plenty of citations of "six million Jews" in the decades leading up to WWII. But pointing that out gets the truthers really upset.

    Indeed, if one takes it to the next level and does an analysis using Google Ngram, in order to compare the count of "six million Jews" incidences to those of "two million Jews" through "five million Jews", it's easy to verify that the number of hits for "three million Jews" is considerably more numerous the other contenders, including "six million". I just reran it and that is still the case.

    You can even use Google's own digitized periodical repository to generate the same kind of list of scary quotes using three million instead, and it's even more impressive, though that's admittedly a judgment call. The kook I was arguing with claimed that the three-million list I generated didn't count, because Google's repositories favor small obscure periodicals (including some Jewish ones), and that totally invalidates the study for some reason. Whereas one would need to have a pricey Lexis/Nexus subscription to be able to access digitized version of bigger newspapers that they used for the one he copied, or so I'm guessing. The Ngram approach is supposedly also worthless for some other stupid reason he pulled out his backside that I can't remember now.

    All this to say, trying to explain basic statistical concepts like significance to a conspiracy theorist is a lost cause -- kind of like trying to talk an anti-vaxxer out of using weasel words to try and make a point, come to think of it -- and there's always some reason why no counter-example will ever suffice to change the undeniable fact that the sacred number SIX MILLION was clearly cooked up by the you-know-whos, and anyone who disagrees is clearly a liar and a Hasbara minion.

    Replies: @res

    , @Nicholas Stix
    @kaganovitch

    I could have sworn that I read a magazine article by a then-famous writer, either just before I left home for college (1976), or just before I left home for West Germany (1980), that claimed that the number was seven million Jews.

    At the 2008 American Renaissance conference, I shared a dinner table with charming, self-styled "Holocaust revisionist" Michael Santomauro. (Santomauro is generally condemned by the MSM as a "Holocaust-denier," but he rejected that moniker, and acknowledged that the Nazis had committed the Holocaust.) He maintained that the proper number of Jewish Holocaust victims was 4.5 million, with an additional 1.5 million dying in various European armies fighting the Nazis.

  • @kaganovitch
    @R.G. Camara


    The “6 million” number is some kind of recurring trope amongst The Tribe historically. Before the Holocaust, it was a number that got repeated in many situations. It may be just a default kneejerk number they repeat due to that, or it may have some sort of religious significance now forgotten. Or perhaps in Hebrew/Yiddish it rhymed or something (I don’t know, I don’t know those languages).
     
    I do know both those languages and I am unaware of this trope/repetition in many situations. I suspect that your source has confused the number 600,000, which is indeed a 'trope' in Jewish history (The number of those who left Egypt, a general number meant to encompass the Jewish nation, etc.) with 6 million.

    Replies: @R.G. Camara, @Colin Wright, @res, @HA, @Nicholas Stix

    Ah, thank you. So perhaps 600K got an extra zero added to it at some point.

  • @Colin Wright
    @Jack D


    '...If you want an accurate number just ask ChatGPT or any other AI. They will tell you it was approximately 6 million because that is the number that is widely accepted by reputable scholars and historians who are not Holocaust deniers like you...'
     
    Not really. This mindless clinging 'to six million' makes no sense. 5.1 million is the most authoritative figure -- and has been for sixty years. It would seem that four-odd million is provable -- and of course a lot of the deaths weren't documented, s0...

    But as someone who is perfectly willing to agree the Holocaust happened, my advice is to give up on 'six million.' No authoritative source that I'm aware of endorses that as proven fact. Even if you can find one, he'll be contradicted all over the place. Take five million and let the deniers make asses of themselves claiming three hundred thousand or whatever.

    Replies: @R.G. Camara, @Mark G.

    The “6 million” number is some kind of recurring trope amongst The Tribe historically. Before the Holocaust, it was a number that got repeated in many situations. It may be just a default kneejerk number they repeat due to that, or it may have some sort of religious significance now forgotten. Or perhaps in Hebrew/Yiddish it rhymed or something (I don’t know, I don’t know those languages).

    I’ve not found the origin yet, but I believe its similar to when a little kid might constantly say “a billion people” or “a billion things to do” when describing a large number. Except that Jews have decided that now its not merely a placeholder for “a lot” but is an accurate, definitive number for the Holocaust. Which makes them look silly and like liars.

    As you’ve stated, if they just climbed down off defending this number as sacrosanct the Holocaust deniers would largely dry up. But like their foolish refusal to admit Leo Frank obviously raped and killed Mary Phagen, or that the Rosenbergs were indeed both guilty spies for communists, they discredit themselves thoroughly by standing on this number with such fantaticism.

    Much like women, Jews cannot merely admit they were wrong and climb down off their obvious mistakes, and get hysterically vindictively angry when you try to make them. 100+ countries and counting…

    • Agree: Colin Wright
    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    @R.G. Camara


    The “6 million” number is some kind of recurring trope amongst The Tribe historically. Before the Holocaust, it was a number that got repeated in many situations. It may be just a default kneejerk number they repeat due to that, or it may have some sort of religious significance now forgotten. Or perhaps in Hebrew/Yiddish it rhymed or something (I don’t know, I don’t know those languages).
     
    I do know both those languages and I am unaware of this trope/repetition in many situations. I suspect that your source has confused the number 600,000, which is indeed a 'trope' in Jewish history (The number of those who left Egypt, a general number meant to encompass the Jewish nation, etc.) with 6 million.

    Replies: @R.G. Camara, @Colin Wright, @res, @HA, @Nicholas Stix

  • My 10th grade English class had devoted a semester to the works of William Shakespeare, and that seemed appropriate given his place in our language and our culture. During those months, I'd read about a dozen or so of his plays and had been required to memorize one of the most famous soliloquies in Macbeth....
  • @Curle
    @Ron Unz


    though the other daughter could allegedly at least write her own name
     
    You are asking to have it both ways. Ability to sign one’s own name is a threshold of literacy when it favors your argument and some barely significant event if it doesn’t. Her husband was a doctor and presumably literate. Do you contend that he, rather than her father, taught her to write her name and whatever other benefits of presumed literacy you apply to similarly situated others of that time period?

    Replies: @R.G. Camara

    Arguments about literacy pre-20th century should focus on whether it was useful for X’s job to be literate. People didn’t have books, books were expensive, and most jobs didn’t require reading. So learning to read was a net negative for most people —unuseful for $$$, and likely never to be used as a skill with the lack of written word around.

    Lots of very smart accomplished people never learned to read or had trouble with it, e.g. Charlemagne struggled with learning to read.

    • Thanks: Curle
    • Replies: @andyay
    @R.G. Camara

    Hans Christian Andersen was the son of a cobbler father and a washer woman mother. Neither of his parents were literate. Yet, the boy grew up to become one of the most renowned, prolific and beloved authors of children's stories, who has ever lived.
    We shouldn't underestimate the artistry involved in writing wholesome fiction for younger folk. Storytellers of Hans Christian Andersen's calibre are rare indeed, whether schooled or unschooled.

  • @Seraphim
    @R.G. Camara

    But you didn't ''disprove'' anything. Like not proving that Shakespeare ''could have'' attended law school because is your ''obvious hypothesis'' suggested by your imagination.

    Replies: @R.G. Camara

    lmao. You argued that Shakespeare was “commanded” to write Richard III, but cited no evidence to prove it. And then added that it could have also been written completely by a government propaganda office and they slapped Shakes name on it. Again, with no evidence for such an outlandish theory.

    I merely offered a hypothesis about Shakespeare’s “lost” years that fit his class and status and situation, and emphatically stated it was based on nothing but my own imagination.

    We are not the same, liar.

    But thanks for the lulz.

    You’ve been debunked.

  • Last month, Achmed E. Newman left a comment in Bugs/Suggestions: Soon afterwards, I replied: A couple of days later, I included this exchange in the most recent Steve Sailer thread, and seemed to generally got a very positive reaction. Since it's now been more than a couple of weeks since Steve's last post, and the...
  • @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Corvinus


    “I see you’re abandoning your “Russia/Putin influences Trump’s conduct in office” claim”

    I haven’t abandoned it at all. I provided the evidence.
     

    Really? What did Russia/Putin influence Trump to do? Still waiting...

    Replies: @R.G. Camara, @Corvinus

    Corvy does not argue in good faith and lies constantly. Paid troll. Ignore him or laugh at him.

    • Troll: Corvinus
  • @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Corvinus


    In Comment 717, there are five facts regarding Trump and Russian oligarchs, who are linked to Putin.
     
    It was useless information. Was a crime committed? Please cite.

    Again, no evidence from you of “Russia/Putin influences Trump’s conduct in office”.


    Why would anyone trust Trump when he says Musk will not be privy to sensitive information
     
    Trump said that? Got any quotes? I see you’re abandoning your “Russia/Putin influences Trump’s conduct in office” claim, given that you have yet to offer any evidence. :)

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “It was useless information. Was a crime committed? Please cite”.

    It goes to show the corruptive nature of Trump and the influence by Russians in his foreign policy agenda. Your response? Bury your head in the sand.

    “Again, no evidence from you of “Russia/Putin influences Trump’s conduct in office”.”

    Yes, in Comment 736, which you entirely dismissed.

    “I see you’re abandoning your “Russia/Putin influences Trump’s conduct in office” claim”

    I haven’t abandoned it at all. I provided the evidence. You’re simply ignoring it. The cognitive dissonance is way too strong for you to overcome.

    • Troll: R.G. Camara
    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Corvinus


    “I see you’re abandoning your “Russia/Putin influences Trump’s conduct in office” claim”

    I haven’t abandoned it at all. I provided the evidence.
     

    Really? What did Russia/Putin influence Trump to do? Still waiting...

    Replies: @R.G. Camara, @Corvinus

  • @R.G. Camara
    @Jack D


    Holocaust denial has nothing to do with history but with the present day. You perceive that the Jews achieved moral legitimacy by being the victims of the Holocaust but if the Holocaust never happened then you can take that away.
     
    Lmao. Note how to Schlomo the hasbara here, asking to get an accurate number of Jews who died in the Holocaust is "Holocaust denial" and makes me a "Nazi."

    Of course that doesn't make sense as an argument, which means JackD is doing it for some other purpose. Hmm, its almost like if an accurate number got made it would be far less than what Mordecai claims....

    Replies: @Jack D

    You aren’t some disinterested party who just wants an “accurate number”. You want a LOWER number – that’s clear from your own words. If I told you it was ten million Jews you wouldn’t like it.

    If you want an accurate number just ask ChatGPT or any other AI. They will tell you it was approximately 6 million because that is the number that is widely accepted by reputable scholars and historians who are not Holocaust deniers like you. You aren’t really interested in historical accuracy at all, just in establishing that the well accepted number is too high.

    Again that brings me to why? Most people are willing to accept the mainstream consensus on historical events (or else they don’t care at all). But Holocaust deniers such as you have some agenda where they have some need for the number to be lower. Let’s assume that the accepted number is too high (it isn’t but let’s assume it is for the sake of argument). If the Nazis only killed 3 million Jews or a million or whatever number makes you happy, how does that change anything?

    • Troll: R.G. Camara
    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
    @Jack D

    lmao. Its so easy to troll the hasbara inbreds. Merely question the number of people who were murdered in Holocaust and they flip out and lie that you're a Holocaust denier.

    Very telling, too. By flipping out like a woman JackD is admitting that he believes the lore is mostly overblown fiction and/or blaming Nazis for Soviet atrocities. You tell on yourself, Schlomo.

    Also, please note how Mordecai now claims he can read minds and knows "true" intentions. I could whole heartedly believe in the Holocaust except think the number is far too high and JackD would claim I'm denying something. Like a woman in an argument, no overreaction is too great for JackD, thus proving he himself doubts most of it.

    What a maroon. This was too easy. Must be all the cousin-banging they do.

    , @Colin Wright
    @Jack D


    '...If you want an accurate number just ask ChatGPT or any other AI. They will tell you it was approximately 6 million because that is the number that is widely accepted by reputable scholars and historians who are not Holocaust deniers like you...'
     
    Not really. This mindless clinging 'to six million' makes no sense. 5.1 million is the most authoritative figure -- and has been for sixty years. It would seem that four-odd million is provable -- and of course a lot of the deaths weren't documented, s0...

    But as someone who is perfectly willing to agree the Holocaust happened, my advice is to give up on 'six million.' No authoritative source that I'm aware of endorses that as proven fact. Even if you can find one, he'll be contradicted all over the place. Take five million and let the deniers make asses of themselves claiming three hundred thousand or whatever.

    Replies: @R.G. Camara, @Mark G.

    , @Jonathan Mason
    @Jack D


    If you want an accurate number just ask ChatGPT or any other AI. They will tell you it was approximately 6 million because that is the number that is widely accepted by reputable scholars and historians who are not Holocaust deniers like you.
     
    Ultimately the number is meaningless and can only be an approximation.

    For example, Belsen was a horrific concentration camp, but it didn't have gas chambers and it wasn't run specifically as an extermination camp.

    However thousands died of malnutrition, because there simply wasn't enough food. And many died of infectious diseases such as typhus, tuberculosis, and dysentery, many of whom were weakened by malnutrition.

    The science of prisonology simply wasn't there.

    The British forces who liberated Belsen were absolutely shocked and horrified by what they found.

    However this did not take place in the age of supermarkets and massive wholesale distribution centers.

    In wartime time Germany when the entire British civilian population was still on food rationing that was still in effect in the early 50s when I was a child, they probably simply didn't have the food or the logistics to provide adequate nutrition to thousands of detainees.

    There is little doubt that the management of the concentration camps was incompetent, untrained, and lacking in resources.

    The six million figure is reasonable, but if you had six million death certificates and you could feed them into a computer, probably many of them would have multiple causes of death, including murder.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Almost Missouri, @R.G. Camara

    , @Brutusale
    @Jack D

    It matters whether it's the truth or another parable. The immediately preceding genocide has been subjected to a number of edits and revisions by the usual suspects, but hey, it's not forbidden because they were only Ukes.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor

    Replies: @Jack D

  • @Jack D
    @R.G. Camara

    You aren't some disinterested party who just wants an "accurate number". You want a LOWER number - that's clear from your own words. If I told you it was ten million Jews you wouldn't like it.

    If you want an accurate number just ask ChatGPT or any other AI. They will tell you it was approximately 6 million because that is the number that is widely accepted by reputable scholars and historians who are not Holocaust deniers like you. You aren't really interested in historical accuracy at all, just in establishing that the well accepted number is too high.

    Again that brings me to why? Most people are willing to accept the mainstream consensus on historical events (or else they don't care at all). But Holocaust deniers such as you have some agenda where they have some need for the number to be lower. Let's assume that the accepted number is too high (it isn't but let's assume it is for the sake of argument). If the Nazis only killed 3 million Jews or a million or whatever number makes you happy, how does that change anything?

    Replies: @R.G. Camara, @Colin Wright, @Jonathan Mason, @Brutusale

    lmao. Its so easy to troll the hasbara inbreds. Merely question the number of people who were murdered in Holocaust and they flip out and lie that you’re a Holocaust denier.

    Very telling, too. By flipping out like a woman JackD is admitting that he believes the lore is mostly overblown fiction and/or blaming Nazis for Soviet atrocities. You tell on yourself, Schlomo.

    Also, please note how Mordecai now claims he can read minds and knows “true” intentions. I could whole heartedly believe in the Holocaust except think the number is far too high and JackD would claim I’m denying something. Like a woman in an argument, no overreaction is too great for JackD, thus proving he himself doubts most of it.

    What a maroon. This was too easy. Must be all the cousin-banging they do.

  • My 10th grade English class had devoted a semester to the works of William Shakespeare, and that seemed appropriate given his place in our language and our culture. During those months, I'd read about a dozen or so of his plays and had been required to memorize one of the most famous soliloquies in Macbeth....
  • @Wizard of Oz
    @Alden

    Which English language version of the Bible would probably have been found in Skakespere's father's house? Domain? Consistently with the family having Catholicsympathies?

    Replies: @Wielgus, @R.G. Camara

    None. Do you know how expensive a Bible was in those days? Especially a translated version?

    Only the wealthy, the libraries, and the Church had them.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    @R.G. Camara

    Thank you but are you content to side with the Will S's Dad was illiterate team without a little elementary research on Dr Google?

    Here's a start

    "The first printed Bibles, particularly the Gutenberg Bible produced in the 1450s, were quite expensive. The Gutenberg Bible is estimated to have cost around 30 florins at the time, which was a significant sum. To put this in perspective, a skilled worker might earn about 1 florin per month, making the Bible accessible primarily to wealthy individuals, churches, and institutions rather than ordinary people.

    "As printing technology spread and more Bibles were produced, costs began to decrease. By the 16th century, printed Bibles became more affordable, but they still represented a considerable expense for many. In general, while the cost of printed Bibles gradually decreased, they remained relatively expensive items for ordinary people until the advent of cheaper printing methods and the rise of mass production in the 19th century." Tbc

    Replies: @Wizard of Oz, @JPS

  • @Seraphim
    The anti-Oxfordians have failed to state a cognizable claim that Shakespeare's plays were written by Shakespeare the actor either. You are simply blowing something else.

    Replies: @Curle, @R.G. Camara

    Ah, another last refuge of the conspiracy theorists: burden-shifting!

    “You must prove something that’s been accepted fact and documented with hundreds of data points! We contrarians who just came up with our wacky theory need not prove anything!”

    Fact: Shakespeare wrote Shakespeare, and it was always attributed to him.

    Fact: You’re a moron.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
    @R.G. Camara

    I was wondering whether your moniker doesn't allude to the fact that the King's Men have been elevated by James I to the status of Grooms of the Chamber, those carrying the royal chamber pot. You do carry much of the stuff.

  • The anti-Oxfordians have failed to state a cognizable claim that Shakespeare’s plays were written by Shakespeare the actor either. You are simply blowing something else.

    • Troll: R.G. Camara
    • Replies: @Curle
    @Seraphim


    The anti-Oxfordians have failed to state a cognizable claim that Shakespeare’s plays were written by Shakespeare the actor either
     
    You don’t understand the meaning of the words you just used. I’m sure you don’t know how to use the word ‘cognizable’ in a sentence.

    Replies: @Seraphim

    , @R.G. Camara
    @Seraphim

    Ah, another last refuge of the conspiracy theorists: burden-shifting!

    "You must prove something that's been accepted fact and documented with hundreds of data points! We contrarians who just came up with our wacky theory need not prove anything!"

    Fact: Shakespeare wrote Shakespeare, and it was always attributed to him.

    Fact: You're a moron.

    Replies: @Seraphim

  • Last month, Achmed E. Newman left a comment in Bugs/Suggestions: Soon afterwards, I replied: A couple of days later, I included this exchange in the most recent Steve Sailer thread, and seemed to generally got a very positive reaction. Since it's now been more than a couple of weeks since Steve's last post, and the...
  • @Jack D
    @R.G. Camara

    If you are a paid troll, the Nazi Party must be paying you. But the Nazi Party doesn't really exist anymore (unless you count Hamas), just a handful of pitiful trailer dwellers living on SSI such as yourself.

    Eichmann was proud of what he did. Why do you want to deprive him of his great accomplishment? Holocaust denial has nothing to do with history but with the present day. You perceive that the Jews achieved moral legitimacy by being the victims of the Holocaust but if the Holocaust never happened then you can take that away. Unfortunately the Holocaust was all too real, so no can do Adolf.

    Replies: @R.G. Camara, @AnotherDad, @Colin Wright

    Holocaust denial has nothing to do with history but with the present day. You perceive that the Jews achieved moral legitimacy by being the victims of the Holocaust but if the Holocaust never happened then you can take that away.

    Lmao. Note how to Schlomo the hasbara here, asking to get an accurate number of Jews who died in the Holocaust is “Holocaust denial” and makes me a “Nazi.”

    Of course that doesn’t make sense as an argument, which means JackD is doing it for some other purpose. Hmm, its almost like if an accurate number got made it would be far less than what Mordecai claims….

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @R.G. Camara

    You aren't some disinterested party who just wants an "accurate number". You want a LOWER number - that's clear from your own words. If I told you it was ten million Jews you wouldn't like it.

    If you want an accurate number just ask ChatGPT or any other AI. They will tell you it was approximately 6 million because that is the number that is widely accepted by reputable scholars and historians who are not Holocaust deniers like you. You aren't really interested in historical accuracy at all, just in establishing that the well accepted number is too high.

    Again that brings me to why? Most people are willing to accept the mainstream consensus on historical events (or else they don't care at all). But Holocaust deniers such as you have some agenda where they have some need for the number to be lower. Let's assume that the accepted number is too high (it isn't but let's assume it is for the sake of argument). If the Nazis only killed 3 million Jews or a million or whatever number makes you happy, how does that change anything?

    Replies: @R.G. Camara, @Colin Wright, @Jonathan Mason, @Brutusale

  • @muggles
    @R.G. Camara

    Interesting analysis, but I think things are far more complicated than this.

    Who predicted 15 years ago that American "Identity Marxists" of the former SDS terrorists' kind would have so successfully taken over the old Democrat Party?

    But that Woke monstrosity, mostly held together by opportunistic power and money-grubbing motives, has now run out of steam.

    The Identity mob held on to Biden for too long because he willingly did their bidding.

    With Kamala a failure of that brand of Marxism writ large, they have no place go or hide.

    Ignoring the obvious isn't going to work.

    "Victory has 1,000 fathers. Defeat is an orphan." old military adage

    Replies: @R.G. Camara

    After Obama took over, the neolibs needed to get the anti-war crowd to pipe down. So they let the identity wing (which always existed, but the neolibs had managed to take down) and open Marxist wings take over to distract. However, the open-Marxists pushed too far in 2011 with Occupy Wall Street, which hit the D’s in the pocket books with bad press to their donors.

    So since they couldn’t be anti-War and they couldn’t let the open-Marxists take down the donors, the D’s the identity wing go full throttle. That’s when Ferguson got blown up nationally and they shoved gay “marriage” in through judicial fiat. Then the homos ushered the trannies in and its been insanity every since. But the monster metastasized and is killing the patient. And its too late to stop it.

    Political parties come and go in every country, including our own. The D’s have lasted 200 years, which is a very long time by political standards, but even they didn’t exist until 1820. They will go the way of the Whigs, the Know-Nothings, and The Federalists: their old members will reorganize over new issues very quickly.

  • @kaganovitch
    @Corvinus

    As ever with you, it's difficult to know where the stupidity ends and the bad faith begins. "Handler'' has a specific meaning. For instance when the CIA has a spy in russia he is assigned a handler who handles him on behalf of the CIA. Trump assigning himself a handler to handle himself is incoherent. I'm almost sure you know that and are throwing around squid ink to avoid conceding an error but as I said one can never be sure with you.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “Handler” has a specific meaning.”

    JFC, Trump hired numerous lawyers to advise and direct his shady activities as a real estate mogul. They were his handlers in this regard. They happened to be from your tribe.

    “ Trump assigning himself a handler to handle himself is incoherent.”

    Strawman much?

    • Troll: R.G. Camara
    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    @Corvinus

    So, stupid rather than evil. After all this time Corvinus turns out to be a Republican; Who woulda thunk it?

    Replies: @res

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Corvinus


    JFC, Trump hired numerous lawyers to advise and direct his shady activities as a real estate mogul. They were his handlers in this regard. They happened to be from your tribe.
     
    You obviously don't know what a "handler" is. A "fixer" is not a "handler". People you hire are not your "handlers".

    You don't know any of this, nor even understand the meaning of words, because you're a f**king idiot.

    Replies: @BenKenobi

  • @muggles
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Fedgov moochers get riled up when their subsidies are cut.

    Then they wonder why average Non moochers aren't marching in the streets for them?

    But when the recent Biden administration and the Federal Reserve adopted both "Modern Monetary Theory" (e.g. printing money willy-nilly regardless of consequences) and further inflating our multiple trillion-dollar federal deficit, Trump realized that something must be done.

    Moochers of course ran to federal judges whom they knew would be Dem sympathetic, but cutting spending and agencies isn't some kind of crime.

    They are now on the receiving end of their cheerleading for the vast expansion of Presidential executive authority they pushed during the Obama/Biden administrations.

    Our mostly useless "allies" abroad are also whining about the harsh reality that their gravy train is over. Why should we pay heavily to protect them? So they can enjoy retirement at 55, 35 hour workweeks and free everything?

    Trump told us what he wanted to do and is now doing it. No surprise. And currently this is very popular.

    In Bizzaro World Democrat politics, longtime Senate cheerleader Chuck Schumer is being pilloried for Not shutting down the government in a recent vote. Because Woke Dems now suddenly hate the federal government since they no longer are in charge of it.

    Chuck didn't follow the Party Line, as widely announced on CNBC, CNN, PBS and other major news-propaganda outlets.

    The Dem Politburo which booted out Poor Joe after a unanimous primary nomination and suddenly replaced him with Kamala Harris, who not a single Dem voter cast a ballot for, is now spiraling into a full frenzied Purge Mode.

    Can this party be saved? Or time for a major reset?

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Mark G., @R.G. Camara

    Can this party be saved?

    No, it cannot. As I’ve long stated, the D’s will cease to be a true national party by 2030 and exist only as a 3rd party/rump party after that. It wlil still win local elections and send some people to Congress but their presidential candidate will be on par with the Greens or Libertarians or Reform. Hence 2028 will be the last year a D presidential candidate will have a reasonable chance at winning.

    The white/Jewish neolibs of the D’s and the NeverTrump neocons of the Rs will join up to make the new major 2nd party to oppose the Rs, where the big issues will be globalism, open borders, and endless wars. The new party will firmly stamp down on identity politics, perhaps not even allowing any identity politics to part of its planks. Refugee identity political types from the old D’s will be allowed in only if they agree to no identity politics being pushed.

    All this is because the identity politics groups have seized control of the D’s through ultra-wealthy donors like J.B. Pritker, a middle aged tranny trust funder who is heavily donating for tranny normalization because of his fetish. Hence why Ds haven’t shuffled this issue to the grave; they are literally being paid to support this party-suicide. The new globalist party will make sure to get some non-crazy donors so Pritzker can’t just move over and take over this party as well. And emphatically keep identity politics on the downlow.

    • Replies: @muggles
    @R.G. Camara

    Interesting analysis, but I think things are far more complicated than this.

    Who predicted 15 years ago that American "Identity Marxists" of the former SDS terrorists' kind would have so successfully taken over the old Democrat Party?

    But that Woke monstrosity, mostly held together by opportunistic power and money-grubbing motives, has now run out of steam.

    The Identity mob held on to Biden for too long because he willingly did their bidding.

    With Kamala a failure of that brand of Marxism writ large, they have no place go or hide.

    Ignoring the obvious isn't going to work.

    "Victory has 1,000 fathers. Defeat is an orphan." old military adage

    Replies: @R.G. Camara

  • @Jack D
    @R.G. Camara

    Apparently everyone you disagree with is a paid troll. How do we know that you are not a paid troll too, just with a different paymaster? Maybe the entire universe is just a sim?

    I would say that without actual evidence (as in pay stubs, not inference from political views) everyone on both sides should lay off on the "paid troll" and "Russian agent" accusations.

    Replies: @R.G. Camara, @Corpse Tooth, @Greta Handel

    We really need to explore how those gas chambers worked and how many they killed, Mordecai. And the exact number of Jews killed in the The Shoah overall must finally be established. As well as how many Jews died from malnourishment and disease.

    But that wouldn’t please your IDF masters, would it, Schlomo?

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @R.G. Camara

    If you are a paid troll, the Nazi Party must be paying you. But the Nazi Party doesn't really exist anymore (unless you count Hamas), just a handful of pitiful trailer dwellers living on SSI such as yourself.

    Eichmann was proud of what he did. Why do you want to deprive him of his great accomplishment? Holocaust denial has nothing to do with history but with the present day. You perceive that the Jews achieved moral legitimacy by being the victims of the Holocaust but if the Holocaust never happened then you can take that away. Unfortunately the Holocaust was all too real, so no can do Adolf.

    Replies: @R.G. Camara, @AnotherDad, @Colin Wright

    , @Mark G.
    @R.G. Camara

    Jack D. is a pro-Israel Jewish neocon who isn't a Trump hater because Trump is pro-Israel. John Johnson is a neocon who is a Trump hater and wishes Nikki Haley was president. HA is pretty coy about his background but has a history of leaping to the defense of the Catholic church when it is attacked here. He is probably an Eastern European Catholic neocon who hates Eastern Orthodox Russia. Former frequent Korean Steve commenter Twinkie was a neocon who didn't like Jews but does like wars and all things military. He also would like to invite Steve's dog Lambo over for dinner. Art Deco also appears to be a neocon but would probably deny it.

    We have always had a lot of neocons here but the only regular liberal commenter I can think of is Corvinus. Corvinus even admits to voting for Biden in 2020. Like most liberals, he is pro-Ukraine and pro-Palestinian. As someone who is a libertarian isolationist Ron Paul admirer, all these people pretty much disagree with me on foreign policy. They also all appear to be Zelensky fanboys, the one thing they have in common with each other.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  • My 10th grade English class had devoted a semester to the works of William Shakespeare, and that seemed appropriate given his place in our language and our culture. During those months, I'd read about a dozen or so of his plays and had been required to memorize one of the most famous soliloquies in Macbeth....
  • @vinteuil
    @Alden


    Sobran lost his NR job and needed to make money. Knew a book by a conservative wouldn’t get published So decided a repeat of the popular 19th century Shakespeare wasn’t Shakespeare genre would get published
     
    Yeah, Alden - Sobran wrote his Shakespeare book 'cause he thought it would make him some money.

    Whatever you say.

    Replies: @R.G. Camara

    Sobran’s criticism of Jewish power got said Jewish power to boot him from NR and “acceptable” conservative circles.

    It likely increased his conspiracy theorizing, as he was now vindicated: the Jewish power that everyone claimed didn’t exist got him exiled for questioning Jewish power. Ergo, he pursued other conspiracies, and the Shakespeare one lined up well with his English major past.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @R.G. Camara

    That’s what I thought. He needed money he needed to continue his career. Something far far far from any Jew censorship far far far from modern times Something easy to do research already done. Just read a few Bacon de Vere books and recycle them.

    Sobran must not have known any history of England in that era.

    Mistook a 1500s English grammar school for a modern American K-8. Probably didn’t re read the Italian plays didn’t realize there’s no descriptions no locations

    No Scene 1 to Scene 115 headings to break up the dialogue in the scripts. Not even night or day no descriptions No books in his will no book cases in his will? Therefore he owned no books and was illiterate

    One of the Bacon de Vere books I read was written by a woman. When women weren’t yet admitted to English universities. So who was she to sneer at Shakespeare because there’s no record of him at a university?

    The code of historians is supposed to be don’t project your own times unto the past. But they always do. And so do biographers

    Some linked to a Guardian article that Shakespeare’s father committed the crime of being an illegal wool broker. Probably because his parents were found to be hidden or recusant Catholics. Until 1833 it was illegal for Catholics to work at about 98 percent of jobs and occupations in England. Not even ink making. Because ink was used in government.

    Of course it’s in the Guardian cheered the communist revolutions Russia 1917 China in 1948 Cuba in 1960 attempted in Ghana and all over the world defends every immigrant criminal crusades for positive discrimination the English term for affirmative action DEI

    Has hated every American president of the last 125 years except for Obama whom The Guardian adores. Worse than the NYTimes more like some 1930s American communist party newsletter

    Replies: @JPS

  • @Seraphim
    @R.G. Camara

    I do not dislike the idea of ''Shakespeare writing Shakespeare'', I dislike Shakespeare altogether and his idolization in particular.
    But I can't understand why people gloss over so lightly over the fact that the ''playing company'' where Shakespeare acted was initially ''The Hundson Men'' founded and patronized by Henry Carey, 1st Baron Hunsdon (the son of Mary Boleyn and lover of Emilia Lanier) and his son George Carey, 2nd Baron Hunsdon, who both held the office of Lord Chamberlain between 1585–96 and 1597–1603. Both are recognized as ''protectors of English drama as a whole''. And it became ''The Lord Chamberlain Men, ''King's Men'', having a quasi-monopoly of performances at court. The patrons obviously had a decisive say in the production of the plays.

    Replies: @R.G. Camara, @Curle

    The patrons obviously had a decisive say in the production of the plays.

    lol. A noble being able to censor/stop a production is definitely not the same as demanding a Richard III be written, as you originally claimed. And its light years away from the entire play (a major hit, btw) being written by a government office as a psyop and passed off under Shakespeare’s name.

    I’m claiming victory on this one.

    And this is why you anti-Shakespeareans constantly lose. You make wild claims that are easily disproven or don’t even pass the smell test. Then when cornered, move to another “fact” that supports you, that also was debunked before.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
    @R.G. Camara

    But you didn't ''disprove'' anything. Like not proving that Shakespeare ''could have'' attended law school because is your ''obvious hypothesis'' suggested by your imagination.

    Replies: @R.G. Camara

  • @Mark Hunter
    RU mentions Mark Twain in his list of illustrious English-language literary figures and intellectuals who have questioned Shakespeare’s authorship.  That would be in Twain’s long essay, “Is Shakespeare Dead” (first published as part of his autobiography).  Even if one isn’t interested in the authorship question it is worth reading for its witty polemical style of writing.

    Twain makes no claim about who wrote Shakespeare’s Plays, only that William Shakespeare of Stratford-upon-Avon did not.   (So it’s like the first half of Sobran’s book and like the Shahan and Waugh’s book as RU describes them.)

    In Twain’s day some people were promoting Bacon as the true author.  (This may go back to Hawthorne’s time.  Early in his career he was prevailed upon to write an introduction to a book making such a claim.  He was noncommittal, that is, he didn’t endorse the conclusion of the book he was introducing.)  Twain says Bacon is possible but he doesn’t know. Here are some of Twain’s arguments against the Stratford Shakespeare, very briefly:
      1. Contemporaries in London and in Stratford-upon-Avon remember nothing about Shakespeare.  Yet people always remember someone who became famous.
      2. Shakespeare ordered a poem of his composition engraved on his tombstone and it is ridiculous doggerel, unworthy of the author of the plays and sonnets.
      3. The plays show that the author was supremely fluent in the legal speech of the day.  He was imbued with legal thought and ever ready to invent a legal metaphor.  Yet there is no law work in Shakespeare’s background.

    Twain lays great stress on #3.  Was Thomas North ever a lawyer?  Twain quotes the poem of #2 several times in the course of the essay, it becomes a sort of running joke.  Here it is:

            Good friend for Jesus sake forbeare
            To digg the dust encloased heare:
            Blest be ye man yt spares thes stones
            And curst be he yt moves my bones.

    In RU’s list of illustrious literary figures and intellectuals is Sigmund Freud.  He doesn’t belong on such a list.  However people who are reluctant to question Shakespeare’s authorship might think that he does.

    Replies: @Ron Unz, @Curle, @R.G. Camara, @R.G. Camara

    . The plays show that the author was supremely fluent in the legal speech of the day.

    lmao. How tf would Twain know this? Twain’s just blowing smoke here. He was a 19th century American rustic newspaper man/adventure writer and shows no evidence (outside of Twain’s own say so) of having researched the “legal speech” of the late 16th/early 17th century in England.

    He was imbued with legal thought and ever ready to invent a legal metaphor.

    lol. wtf does “imbued with legal thought” mean? What a vague meaningless judgment.

    And “ever ready to invent a legal metaphor”–Shakespeare was always ready to invent many kinds of metaphors. Legal ones were just some he employed, because everyone had a run in with the law from time to time.

    Yet there is no law work in Shakespeare’s background.

    Plenty of writers who never went to law school write legal scenes for television and movies. Its called research: reading, going to court, talking to lawyers, and watching other legal plays.

    And of course, there is another obvious hypothesis: Shakespeare, seeking a good career and trying to restore his family’s name, first went to London to be a lawyer; the law schools (Inns of Court) and junior law schools (Inns of Chancery) in England were all in London for political reasons. Then like many in law school, found it hopelessly boring, but did like when the schools (as they often did) hired theater troupes to entertain the law students at night. Then he probably started hanging out at the theaters and watching plays when he should have been studying, got offered a job, and jumped at it.

    I admit I have nothing to support this this theory (other than my imagination), and many of the records of the Inns of Court and junior Inns of Court of that time period are missing, so there’s no real way to check. Here’s a good run down of the existent and missing records from those law schools from that time: https://www.innertemple.org.uk/who-we-are/history/historical-articles/the-inns-of-court-and-inns-of-chancery-and-their-records/

    But perhaps the best argument against Shakespeare being a lawyer was that he was a good writer. lol.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @R.G. Camara

    Wasn’t the big legal center Inns of Court maybe another big complex of lawyers offices law school and records destroyed by German bombing during WW2?

    My post shakespearesuthorship.com hasn’t appeared yet. It’s on the internet it must be true.

    I wonder if it ever will. As Ron won’t even admit that names had different spellings in those days. And today Anderson Andersen Sidney Sydney Bernadette Bernadine Paula Paulette Pauline

    Ben Jonson or Ben Johnson who published Shakespeare folios Or stole someone else’s plays and poems and claimed they were written by my dear friend William Shakespeare

    The royal family embraced the elimination of the indigenous British people since Elizabeth became Queen. The replacement happened during her reign. She did absolutely nothing except to snub an Egyptian billionaire Al Fayhd Prince and Princess of Wales have been going to the Windrush memorial celebration for years. At least those Jamaicans spoke English and were Christian CofE. King and Queen with their own hands packed Ramadan treats to be distributed. King went to some kind of service.

    Just yesterday Saturday in London about 50 not English lads armed with machetes attacked a birthday party held in a school. Police who responded were wounded too. Only 3 of the approximately 50 attackers were arrested released after a few hours. Cautioned to be available for further questioning.

    Strange article more Steve Sailor whose always writing about movies

    I had a thought many many Taming of the Shrew American 1940 to 1970 movie adaptions. John Wayne specialized in taming the uppity rich lady from back east in his cowboy and Calvary soldier movies . Some pre civil war south movies too one set in Ireland

    Shakespeare plays with black medieval renaissance English main characters Now redecorating the Shakespeare Center in Stratford to proclaim his works as White Supremacist. Might be closed down soon.

    Like a non violent conquest of Portugal Spain Sicily Byzantium Balkans

    , @Photios
    @R.G. Camara


    But perhaps the best argument against Shakespeare being a lawyer was that he was a good writer. lol.
     
    He composed good speeches so...
    maybe he was a barrister/advocate?

    Replies: @Wielgus

  • @Mark Hunter
    RU mentions Mark Twain in his list of illustrious English-language literary figures and intellectuals who have questioned Shakespeare’s authorship.  That would be in Twain’s long essay, “Is Shakespeare Dead” (first published as part of his autobiography).  Even if one isn’t interested in the authorship question it is worth reading for its witty polemical style of writing.

    Twain makes no claim about who wrote Shakespeare’s Plays, only that William Shakespeare of Stratford-upon-Avon did not.   (So it’s like the first half of Sobran’s book and like the Shahan and Waugh’s book as RU describes them.)

    In Twain’s day some people were promoting Bacon as the true author.  (This may go back to Hawthorne’s time.  Early in his career he was prevailed upon to write an introduction to a book making such a claim.  He was noncommittal, that is, he didn’t endorse the conclusion of the book he was introducing.)  Twain says Bacon is possible but he doesn’t know. Here are some of Twain’s arguments against the Stratford Shakespeare, very briefly:
      1. Contemporaries in London and in Stratford-upon-Avon remember nothing about Shakespeare.  Yet people always remember someone who became famous.
      2. Shakespeare ordered a poem of his composition engraved on his tombstone and it is ridiculous doggerel, unworthy of the author of the plays and sonnets.
      3. The plays show that the author was supremely fluent in the legal speech of the day.  He was imbued with legal thought and ever ready to invent a legal metaphor.  Yet there is no law work in Shakespeare’s background.

    Twain lays great stress on #3.  Was Thomas North ever a lawyer?  Twain quotes the poem of #2 several times in the course of the essay, it becomes a sort of running joke.  Here it is:

            Good friend for Jesus sake forbeare
            To digg the dust encloased heare:
            Blest be ye man yt spares thes stones
            And curst be he yt moves my bones.

    In RU’s list of illustrious literary figures and intellectuals is Sigmund Freud.  He doesn’t belong on such a list.  However people who are reluctant to question Shakespeare’s authorship might think that he does.

    Replies: @Ron Unz, @Curle, @R.G. Camara, @R.G. Camara

    RU mentions Mark Twain in his list of illustrious English-language literary figures and intellectuals who have questioned Shakespeare’s authorship. That would be in Twain’s long essay, “Is Shakespeare Dead” (first published as part of his autobiography). Even if one isn’t interested in the authorship question it is worth reading for its witty polemical style of writing.

    Twain makes no claim about who wrote Shakespeare’s Plays, only that William Shakespeare of Stratford-upon-Avon did not.

    Twain was also a colossally arrogant bigot who hated Catholics, American Indians, and small town America with a passion, e.g. both Tom Sawyer and Hucklberry Finn are mercilessly savage in painting small town folk as idiot bad rubes who fall for anything and are too stupid to see goodness and genius. He never forgave anyone who didn’t bow to his “genius” and tore down anyone who threatened his self-appointed stature as the Great American Novelist, e.g. his essay trying to destroy the reputation of the then long-dead James Fenimore Cooper was because during Twain’s time people mentioned Cooper as the greatest American novelist.

    Twain only went back and forgave his small hometown in MO for never worshiping him as a youth when they declared a day Mark Twain Day and held a ceremony in his honor. That assuaged his ego. So Twain’s insistence that Straford never did the same for Shakespeare was about Twain, again, wanting to celebrate himself and force his “enemies” to bow to him and had nothing to do with Shakespeare or Straford or his life.

    Twain’s “analysis” of why Shakespeare never wrote his works is suspiciously close to his attack on Cooper and makes me think Twain was miffed that Shakespeare was held to be higher than Twain. Yet ironically, Twain’s simple rustic upbringing and on-the-job training as a newspaper writer made him very similar to how Shakespeare likely got his training.

    Twain on other writers is just bitchiness.

    • Agree: Alden
    • Replies: @Mark Hunter
    @R.G. Camara

    If what Camara says is true about Twain vis-à-vis Catholics, I don’t hold it against the man.  I hate Catholics too, in so far as they follow their Pope.  I don’t think arrogance has anything to do with it.  He wrote two brief articles on the Indians, one very derogatory, the other sort of resigned.

    As a boy I read Tom Sawyer at least three times, Huckleberry Finn twice, and I didn’t get the impression Twain thought small town people were all idiots or that they couldn’t appreciate goodness and genius.  About the last, since there are no geniuses in the novels, how could he give that impression?

    Years ago I read the essay on James Fenimore Cooper that Camara refers to, “Fenimore Cooper's Literary Offences,” and some years later read it again, so I think I recall it pretty well.  The odd think about the essay is that everything Twain says is true but it is all trivial compared to what value there really is in Cooper’s work.  You might put it this way: Cooper needed a good copy editor.  I think what we get are first drafts.  (There is one exception, a dreadful, and dreadfully long, satirical novel, polished and not overwritten.  Well, there could be more exceptions, I’ve read only a fraction of his work.)

    Camara seems to think he can read Twain’s mind.  Camara claims Twain hated people who didn’t bow down to his (derogatory quotes Camara’s) “genius.”  How does Camara know this? In fact, he doesn’t know it.  Sure, Twain had a high opinion of his writing compared to his contemporaries (he writes this somewhere); he deserved to have it.  Camara claims Twain hated the residents of the small town where he grew up, relenting only when they gave some sort of celebration for him.  Again, Camara doesn’t know this.

    At least Camara qualified with “think” his claim that Twain was an anti-Shakespearean only because people held Shakespeare in higher esteem than Twain.  I doubt anyone ever thought to compare Twain – the great playwright and poet, LOL – with Shakespeare.  Furthermore, in “Is Shakespeare Dead” Twain has nothing but praise for the man’s work itself and thus for the author, whoever it was.

    It just occurred to me: Camara’s crack about Twain hating Catholics might be due to his defense of Joan of Arc.  Read Twain’s essays on Joan of Arc; there are two, long and short.  Also his long essay in defense of Shelley’s wife.

  • Last month, Achmed E. Newman left a comment in Bugs/Suggestions: Soon afterwards, I replied: A couple of days later, I included this exchange in the most recent Steve Sailer thread, and seemed to generally got a very positive reaction. Since it's now been more than a couple of weeks since Steve's last post, and the...
  • @vinteuil
    @John Johnson


    Trump may well be compromised. It certainly would explain a lot.

    In any case you don’t know if there is a tape on him. The pee tape is a rumor that neither you nor I can verify.

    We do know that Epstein described Trump as a close friend and that Trump lied about visiting the island.
     
    You guys just never give up.

    Replies: @R.G. Camara, @J.Ross

    John Johnson is definitely a plant. A paid concern troll. Likely by Mr. Soros, but not likely to be from Media Matters, an org Jewish-gayness makes them be more pugnacious in their trolling, like Corvinus.

  • @Corvinus
    @kaganovitch

    “Being that the vast majority of asylum claims are fictitious and the result of coaching by NGOs and their criminal ilk”

    Citations are required here for such a claim on your part.

    Although, my vague impression is in the specific case regarding your ancestors, that is how they got into my country.

    Replies: @R.G. Camara, @kaganovitch

    lol. Corvy, we all know you’re lying.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @R.G. Camara

    Again, how much is Putin paying you?

  • @kaganovitch
    @Jonathan Mason


    For example, someone who is waiting for an asylum hearing and paroled, and permitted to work during the interim is not quite the same as someone “illegal”.
     
    Being that the vast majority of asylum claims are fictitious and the result of coaching by NGOs and their criminal ilk, they pretty much are the same. Withdrawing from the UN treaty on Refugees is an idea whose time has come in any case.

    Replies: @Corvinus, @Jonathan Mason

    “Being that the vast majority of asylum claims are fictitious and the result of coaching by NGOs and their criminal ilk”

    Citations are required here for such a claim on your part.

    Although, my vague impression is in the specific case regarding your ancestors, that is how they got into my country.

    • Troll: R.G. Camara
    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
    @Corvinus

    lol. Corvy, we all know you're lying.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    , @kaganovitch
    @Corvinus


    Although, my vague impression is in the specific case regarding your ancestors, that is how they got into my country.
     
    As it happens they got here before the UN Treaty on Refugees was proposed in 1951 so your vague impressions are no more accurate than your strongly held convictions. How you reconcile this 'impression' with your other conviction that my ancestors were slaveholders here is not entirely clear, but then expecting consistency from you is a fool's errand.
  • @Corvinus
    @R.G. Camara

    How much does Putin pay you?

    Replies: @R.G. Camara

    LMAO. More confirmation of Corvy’s paid troll status: when corned, he goes straight to the playbook of claiming someone is a “Putin stooge”, even when the conversation isn’t about Putin or Russia!

    Corvy, you pee all over yourself. Your paymasters will not be happy with your failure here today.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @R.G. Camara

    Apparently everyone you disagree with is a paid troll. How do we know that you are not a paid troll too, just with a different paymaster? Maybe the entire universe is just a sim?

    I would say that without actual evidence (as in pay stubs, not inference from political views) everyone on both sides should lay off on the "paid troll" and "Russian agent" accusations.

    Replies: @R.G. Camara, @Corpse Tooth, @Greta Handel

    , @Mark G.
    @R.G. Camara

    I wouldn't know if any liberals are being paid to come here to argue with conservatives but if they are it is not that hard to come up with good counter arguments. What is really effective, rather than arguing with your opponents, is silencing them.

    In the early years of the internet there was free and open discussion. Conservatives were able to make good use of this, electing a number of Tea Party type candidates to Congresss in 2010. This was followed by Trump getting elected in 2016. The left realized they had a problem and worked very hard to label anything they didn't like as misinformation, disinformation or hate speech and get it banned.

    They were successful at this for a few years but ultimately failed. Elon Musk bought Twitter and some of his fellow billionaires like Mark Zuckerberg and Jeff Bezos decided to abandon woke censorship on their platforms too. You also saw the rise of podcasts like Joe Rogan and alternatives to Google and YouTube.

    The Founders put freedom of speech and press first in the Bill of Rights because they are the most important ones. You can always tell who a potential tyrant is because they want to prevent free and open discussion involving various viewpoints being presented.

  • My 10th grade English class had devoted a semester to the works of William Shakespeare, and that seemed appropriate given his place in our language and our culture. During those months, I'd read about a dozen or so of his plays and had been required to memorize one of the most famous soliloquies in Macbeth....
  • @Ron Unz
    @Punch Brother Punch


    In 1609, the William Shakespeare of Stratford sued a fellow townsman named John Addenbroke to recover a debt. One of the writs related to the case can be seen here:
     
    I clicked on the link, and I think it's a perfect example of what I'd mentioned. Apparently, the individual involved in that lawsuit was named "William Shakspere" but if that name appeared in the text modern readers might become suspicious.

    So instead of accurately transcribing the manuscript, all the such uses were changed to "William Shakespeare" to avoid confusing people.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @R.G. Camara

    The spelling argument is weak. Spelling wasn’t regularized. And a signature dashed off can sometimes look different where you jump over a letter. I smudge/misspell my signature sometimes and the cursive look can make you accidentally skip a letter. Plus dyslexia; many smart people have had it.

    Plus Shakespeare as a name is fairly distinctive, and I’ve not seen evidence it was common then. Therefore, the idea of two folks named Shakespeare running around who got confused with one another seems strange without more evidence. Like, Cumberbatch isn’t a common name today and is fairly distinctive, but in 400 years someone thinks that there were 2 running around, one a middle-manager living quietly in the country and one a movie star (Dr. Strange, Sherlock Holmes) and we’ve just confused who was who; it doesn’t work.

    And has anyone considered that Will might have dictated a lot of his plays? Transcription/dictation was a thing. As an actor, he might have found it more engaging to write a play out loud while someone took it down, playing every part as he wound his way through a scene. Walt Disney, for example, when making Snow White acted out a lot of scenes himself to get the feel of what worked. Will might not have been physically writing it down a whole lot.

    • Thanks: Curle
    • Replies: @vinteuil
    @R.G. Camara


    has anyone considered that Will might have dictated a lot of his plays?
     
    No.

    Well, Curle, apparently.
    , @tanabear
    @R.G. Camara


    And has anyone considered that Will might have dictated a lot of his plays?
     
    Yes. This is what I wrote in a prior comment:

    If Will Shakspere was illiterate or barely literate, this might actually strengthen the case that he did play some role in the plays and poems attributed to Shakespeare...I think it is likely that Will Shakspere probably was barely literate, but he would dictate his poems and writings to other people.

    We know that John Milton dictated all of his epic poem Paradise Lost to his assistants. The American historian, Francis Parkman, dictated almost all of his epic history (over 3,000 pages) of the France and England in North America. The epic poems of Homer were all orally transmitted for generations.

    The medieval German author, Wolfram von Eschenbach, was said to have been illiterate as well. Yet he wrote Parzival one of the greatest literary creations of the Middle Ages. As Thomas Mann wrote in The Magic Mountain, "the greatest poet of the Middle Ages, Wolfram von Eschenbach, could neither read nor write." And like many of Shakespeare's works, the subject matter was certainly not original but came directly from Chrétien de Troyes' Perceval.

    Today we associate being illiterate with being dumb. But this certainly wasn't true in the past when many intelligent people could neither read or write. The fact that Will Shakspere mentions in his will the two people (John Heminges and Henry Condell) who would later edit and create the first folio of Shakespeare's work in 1623 suggests that he was heavily involved in the poems and plays we attribute to Shakespeare.
    , @Alden
    @R.G. Camara

    As of March 2025 after 250 years of English language spelling check these first and last names.

    Dillon Dylan Catherine Catharine Katherine Katharine Elizabeth Elizabeth Lisa Liza Lana Lahna Debra Deborah Brown Browne Green Greene Benet Benett Bennett Ann Anne Anna Ana Allen Alan Pearce Pierce Grosevenor Grovenor Grovener Connor Connors Conor Bonnor Bonner Bonar Joann Joanne Joanna there’s a picture on this site of president George Bush’ wife Laura Bush her first name is misspelled Lara Jean Jeanne Gene Darren Darron Darin Daryl Darrel

    And that’s just up to about 196o when teen girls got creative. Luci Lucy Lynda Linda Ellen Ellyn Kathy Kathie Kathi. Blacks got creative about that time too.

    Maybe in 2225 someone will write a book claiming that Microsoft co founder Paul Allen wasn’t really the Paul Allen who lived in Redmond but another Paul Alan who lived in Bellevue .

    Chaucer is a foreign language now because of the spelling. Shakespeare will soon need to be translated into modern English spelling. Last 5 letters of his last name are spelled peare but pronounced peer not like the fruit

    A far more important person than Shakespeare had different surname spellings Her name was usually spelled Bullen in her lifetime about 1500 to 1536. Now it’s always spelled Boleyn She and her cousin Katherine Howard Henry 8 5th wife were granddaughters of the Premier Duke of England
    Their birth certificates and baptism certificate or log book records of birth and baptism have never been found. Possibly destroyed during the reformation Possibly never recorded.

    Replies: @Eustace Tilley (not)