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Hope this isn't top posted, if it is, sorry comcast's webmail then is something less desireable.

RTFM @ http://gatos.sourceforge.net/supported_cards.php. I could be wrong though. :)

Haven't checked to see what chipset is used and all that but since I didn't do the research before getting the card I'm stuck using XP. Should have used my first instinct; that was to go to an nVidia card then get something from Hauppauge for my TV viewing pleasure and use *nix as my OS of choice.
> All,
> 
> I have an All In Wonder 9800 Pro, and I'm having a problem that was
> brought up in this list before- KM doesn't load with the "init_module:
> Operation not permitted" message.  The videodev module loads fine.
> 
> I read here that there was a possibility that the newer chips were
> undocumented and therefore not supported by Gatos- is that true for me? 
> Or do If need to do some more RTFM (though I think I followed everything
> very carefully), let me know as your efforts are appreciated and I don't
> want to be a bother.
> 
> Thanks,
> Daniel
> 
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>I compiled km against 2.6.2-rc1-mm1.  After some initial problems (mainly 
>me forgetting to
>modprobe videodev before km_drv), I got it working.
>...........................

Great. That just what I'd like to do.

I'm having a tough time figuring out exactly how to get these drivers to 
work. Could you give a detailed description of how you did this?  Exact 
commands would be really useful.

sean

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>From: Vladimir Dergachev <vo...@mi...>
>Reply-To: Vladimir Dergachev <vo...@mi...>
>To: sean darcy <sea...@ho...>
>CC: gat...@li..., lo...@ra...
>Subject: Re: [GATOS]Do I need drm-kernel and ati.2 with 2.6 kernel and 4.4?
>Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 13:16:47 -0500 (EST)
>
>
>
>On Wed, 28 Jan 2004, sean darcy wrote:
>
> > This was great. just the help I was looking for.
> >
> > Some more stupid questions?:
> >
> > The instructions on compiling ati.2 from cvs:
> >
> > # Download or checkout with CVS the XFree86 tree you need. Follow
> > instructions to compile and install it.
>
>This is a bit outdated - you simply need source for XFree86 4.3.0.
>
> > DO NOT DELETE IT.
> > # Go to ati.2 directory and type:
> >
> > xmkmf /path/to/your/xfree86/tree
> > make
> > make install
> >
> > is "/path/to/your/xfree86/tree"   /usr/X11  or the path to the cvs 
>source
> > tree: /opt/X11/cvs ?
> >
> > ati.2 is NOT a patch to XFree86, right?  It gets the headers from the
> > XFree86 source tree and installs itself in /usr/X11?
>
>There are headers that are only needed to compile XFree86 but that are not
>needed for client programs (like xterm). These headers are not installed
>in /usr/X11, but are needed for compiling drivers like ati.2.
>
>So you have to point it to the source tree. In my case the path is
>/nfs/node2-storage/xf86/XFree86-2/xc  - it usually ends in xc as xc is
>what you get when you unpack the sources or checkout from CVS. (module
>name is xc).
>

Well, I'm still trying.  I've found that you need to build the XFree86 tree, 
not just point to the source. A number of includes ( for instance date.def 
and version.def in config/cf  are only created during the build). You'll see 
they don't exist in the tarball.

So I built it. Then I did:

xmkmf /usr/src/redhat/BUILD/XFree86-4.3.0/xc/
imake -I/usr/src/redhat/BUILD/XFree86-4.3.0/xc//config/cf 
-DTOPDIR=/usr/src/redh at/BUILD/XFree86-4.3.0/xc/ -DCURDIR=.
[root@amd3000 ati.2]# make
..............

which worked pretty well until:

rm -f radeon_probe.o
gcc -m32 -march=athlon-xp -m3dnow -msse -mmmx -mfpmath=sse -Os  
-fno-strict-alia sing -pipe -ansi -pedantic -Wall -Wpointer-arith -Wundef    
-fno-merge-constants  -I. 
-I/usr/src/redhat/BUILD/XFree86-4.3.0/xc//programs/Xserver/hw/xfree86/commo 
n 
-I/usr/src/redhat/BUILD/XFree86-4.3.0/xc//programs/Xserver/hw/xfree86/os-suppo 
rt -I/usr/src/redhat/BUILD/XFree86-4.3.0/xc//programs/Xserver/hw/xfree86     
-I/usr/src/redhat/BUILD/XFree86-4.3.0/xc//programs/Xserver/hw/xfree86/os-sup 
port/vbe 
-I/usr/src/redhat/BUILD/XFree86-4.3.0/xc//programs/Xserver/hw/xfree86/i nt10 
            -I/usr/src/redhat/BUILD/XFree86-4.3.0/xc//programs/Xserver/hw/xf 
ree86/ddc 
-I/usr/src/redhat/BUILD/XFree86-4.3.0/xc//programs/Xserver/hw/xfree86/ i2c   
          -I/usr/src/redhat/BUILD/XFree86-4.3.0/xc//programs/Xserver/hw/xfr 
ee86/rac 
-I/usr/src/redhat/BUILD/XFree86-4.3.0/xc//programs/Xserver/hw/xfree86/r 
amdac            
-I/usr/src/redhat/BUILD/XFree86-4.3.0/xc//programs/Xserver/hw/x 
free86/shadowfb 
-I/usr/src/redhat/BUILD/XFree86-4.3.0/xc//programs/Xserver/hw/xf ree86/xaa 
-I/usr/src/redhat/BUILD/XFree86-4.3.0/xc//programs/Xserver/hw/xfree86/ 
xf24_32bpp            
-I/usr/src/redhat/BUILD/XFree86-4.3.0/xc//programs/Xserver 
/hw/xfree86/xf4bpp 
-I/usr/src/redhat/BUILD/XFree86-4.3.0/xc//programs/Xserver/hw 
/xfree86/xf1bpp            
-I/usr/src/redhat/BUILD/XFree86-4.3.0/xc//programs/Xs erver/hw/xfree86/vgahw 
-I/usr/src/redhat/BUILD/XFree86-4.3.0/xc//programs/Xserve 
r/hw/xfree86/fbdevhw            
-I/usr/src/redhat/BUILD/XFree86-4.3.0/xc//progra ms/Xserver/cfb 
-I/usr/src/redhat/BUILD/XFree86-4.3.0/xc//programs/Xserver/mfb          
-I/usr/src/redhat/BUILD/XFree86-4.3.0/xc//programs/Xserver/fb -I/usr/sr 
c/redhat/BUILD/XFree86-4.3.0/xc//programs/Xserver/mi            
-I/usr/src/redha t/BUILD/XFree86-4.3.0/xc//programs/Xserver/render 
-I/usr/src/redhat/BUILD/XFree8 6-4.3.0/xc//programs/Xserver/Xext 
-I/usr/src/redhat/BUILD/XFree86-4.3.0/xc//prog rams/Xserver/include          
   -I/usr/src/redhat/BUILD/XFree86-4.3.0/xc//progra ms/Xserver/GL/dri 
-I/usr/src/redhat/BUILD/XFree86-4.3.0/xc//lib/GL/dri -I/usr/sr 
c/redhat/BUILD/XFree86-4.3.0/xc//include 
-I/usr/src/redhat/BUILD/XFree86-4.3.0/x c//include/fonts 
-I/usr/src/redhat/BUILD/XFree86-4.3.0/xc//include/extensions -I 
/usr/src/redhat/BUILD/XFree86-4.3.0/xc//exports/include/X11  
-I/usr/src/redhat/B UILD/XFree86-4.3.0/xc/ 
-I/usr/src/redhat/BUILD/XFree86-4.3.0/xc//exports/include    -Dlinux 
-D__i386__ -D_POSIX_C_SOURCE=199309L                                - 
D_POSIX_SOURCE -D_XOPEN_SOURCE                          -D_BSD_SOURCE 
-D_SVID_SO URCE                             -D_GNU_SOURCE                    
        -DSHAPE  -DXINPUT -DXKB -DLBX -DXAPPGROUP       -DXCSECURITY 
-DTOGCUP   -DXF86BIGFONT -D DPMSExtension    -DPIXPRIV -DPANORAMIX   
-DRENDER -DRANDR -DGCCUSESGAS -DAVOID_G LYPHBLT -DPIXPRIV -DSINGLEDEPTH      
                            -DXFreeXDGA -DXv Extension                       
         -DXFree86LOADER  -DXFree86Server       - DXF86VIDMODE               
              -DXvMCExtension                        - DSMART_SCHEDULE       
                            -DXResExtension               - 
DX_BYTE_ORDER=X_LITTLE_ENDIAN -DNDEBUG  -DFUNCPROTO=15 -DNARROWPROTO  
-DIN_MODUL E -DXFree86Module    -DGLXEXT -DXF86DRI -DGLX_DIRECT_RENDERING 
-DGLX_USE_DLOPEN -DGLX_USE_MESA   -c radeon_probe.c
radeon_probe.c:81: error: `PCI_CHIP_RADEON_QY' undeclared here (not in a 
functio n)
radeon_probe.c:81: error: initializer element is not constant
radeon_probe.c:81: error: (near initialization for 
`RADEONChipsets[4].token')
radeon_probe.c:81: error: initializer element is not constant
radeon_probe.c:81: error: (near initialization for `RADEONChipsets[4]')
radeon_probe.c:82: error: `PCI_CHIP_RADEON_QZ' undeclared here (not in a 
functio n)
radeon_probe.c:82: error: initializer element is not constant
radeon_probe.c:82: error: (near initialization for 
`RADEONChipsets[5].token')
radeon_probe.c:82: error: initializer element is not constant
radeon_probe.c:82: error: (near initialization for `RADEONChipsets[5]')
radeon_probe.c:83: error: initializer element is not constant
radeon_probe.c:83: error: (near initialization for `RADEONChipsets[6]')
.......................................

I couldn't find a define for PCI_CHIP_RADEON_QY in the XFree86 tree:

[root@amd3000 xc]# grep -R PCI_CHIP_RADEON_QY *
lib/GL/mesa/src/drv/radeon/radeon_screen.c:#define PCI_CHIP_RADEON_QY   
0x5159
lib/GL/mesa/src/drv/radeon/radeon_screen.c:   case PCI_CHIP_RADEON_QY:

This is ati.2 from cvs. Any help would be appreciated.

sean


> >
> >
> > Also, you say km installs itself in the running kernel. What happens 
>when
> > you reboot?  Does it load the module itself each time you use it.  That 
>is,
> > km.o never goes into /lib/modules/2.6.x?
>
>Actually, for now, there is no version of km for 2.6.x at all.
>
>You could instruct kernel to load km automatically, but I would advise
>against it for now, or you might get a chance to feel firsthand what it is
>like to fix Spirit (MER-A - mars rover).
>
>  If something goes wrong (say you got a stray DRM module) kernel will
>load km during boot and lock up hard - all before you get a chance to
>do anything with your keyboard.
>
>  Of course, here you can always put in boot CD and reboot..
>
>  The way I wiggle out of it is that I put km on a remotely mounted NFS
>partition and load it from there. If things go wrong all I have to do is
>pull ethernet cable, reboot, replug the cable and fix the things manually.

You're a better man than I.  I'll just use the 2.4 kernel.

>                           best
>
>                             Vladimir Dergachev
>

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Martin Gro=DFhauser wrote:

> "RageTheatreCompositePort" "2" did it. Nice app, now I only have to=20
> get my ALSA working.
>
> Thanks for your work on GATOS and support, greetings
> Martin
>
>>> I don't really know what's meant by "BIOS availbale", but I've assign=
ed
>>> an IRQ to VGA, which is 11 (shared with eth0). X11.log seems OK (see
>>> below). Since I don't have a tuner I suppose the channel/freq-issues=20
>>> are
>>> not for me.
>>
>>
>>
>> You don't have a tuner ? Follow the instructions at the bottom of
>> http://gatos.sf.net/ati.2.php to adjust composite-in ports.
>>
>>                    best
>>
>>                     Vladimir Dergachev
>

Are these options usefull only if the card have TV tuner inside, or=20
could they have some affect if one hase card does not have tv tuner, but =
can
do tv out?  (I am still trying to get tv out working with radeon 9600,=20
where I just get some flashing screen to appear into tv.
I have tried to compile the tv out branch and I have tried multible=20
different resolutions.
If I go to full screen vga console mode, then I can see console on tv=20
screen and can play mplayer in the some kind of black and white mode.

Mika

On Thu, 29 Jan 2004, xsdg wrote:

> AVview CVS doesn't compile against ffmpeg CVS; it looks like an API has changed or something similar:

Use ffmpeg-0.4.8 to compile avview. FFmpeg CVS changes very rapidly..

                     best

                       Vladimir Dergachev

>
> if gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I. -I/usr/include/tcl8.4/tcl-private/generic -I/usr/include/tcl8.4/tk-private/generic   -Wall -O2 -DAVVIEW_VERSION=\"0.80.3\" -I/home/xsdg/files/tvtuner/new/ffcvs/ffmpeg//libavformat -I/home/xsdg/files/tvtuner/new/ffcvs/ffmpeg//libavcodec -g -O2 -I/home/xsdg/files/tvtuner/new/ffcvs/ffmpeg//libavformat -I/home/xsdg/files/tvtuner/new/ffcvs/ffmpeg//libavcodec -MT avview_shell-ffmpeg.o -MD -MP -MF ".deps/avview_shell-ffmpeg.Tpo" \
>   -c -o avview_shell-ffmpeg.o `test -f 'ffmpeg.c' || echo './'`ffmpeg.c; \
> then mv -f ".deps/avview_shell-ffmpeg.Tpo" ".deps/avview_shell-ffmpeg.Po"; \
> else rm -f ".deps/avview_shell-ffmpeg.Tpo"; exit 1; \
> fi
> ffmpeg.c: In function `ffmpeg_create_video_codec':
> ffmpeg.c:581: error: structure has no member named `aspect_ratio'
> ffmpeg.c: In function `ffmpeg_encode_v4l_stream':
> ffmpeg.c:829: error: structure has no member named `flags'
> make[1]: *** [avview_shell-ffmpeg.o] Error 1
> make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/xsdg/files/tvtuner/new/gatos/avview'
> make: *** [all] Error 2
>
> I updated both trees (avview and ffmpeg) at:
> $date -u
> Thu Jan 29 14:09:30 UTC 2004
>
>
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>

On Fri 30 January 2004 05:15, Paul Gratz wrote:
>
> BTW, just as an aside, do you know if the clone mode stuff can be
> used for xinerama type stuff? if not is there a way to make ATI
> dual output cards do xinerama?  As someone else posted here it
> would be awesome to have the tv as a second display in xinerama.

For what it's worth, my Radeon VE QY does Xinerama with the standard=20
(non-gatos) radeon driver, on two monitors. Since the second head=20
can also do TV-out, I reckon it's not impossible in theory.

Lourens
--=20
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All,

I have an All In Wonder 9800 Pro, and I'm having a problem that was
brought up in this list before- KM doesn't load with the "init_module:
Operation not permitted" message.  The videodev module loads fine.

I read here that there was a possibility that the newer chips were
undocumented and therefore not supported by Gatos- is that true for me? 
Or do If need to do some more RTFM (though I think I followed everything
very carefully), let me know as your efforts are appreciated and I don't
want to be a bother.

Thanks,
Daniel

I compiled km against 2.6.2-rc1-mm1.  After some initial problems (mainly me forgetting to modprobe videodev before km_drv), I got it working.

Jan 29 10:04:05 python kernel: Kmultimedia module version alpha-3.0 loaded
Jan 29 10:04:05 python kernel: Page size is 4096 sizeof(bm_list_descriptor)=16 sizeof(KM_STRUCT)=1212
Jan 29 10:04:05 python kernel: km: using irq 16
Jan 29 10:04:05 python kernel: Register aperture is 0xed000000 0x00010000
Jan 29 10:04:05 python kernel: kms variables: reg_aperture=0xe093f000
Jan 29 10:04:05 python kernel: km: DMA_GUI_STATUS=0x00000002 entries=2
Jan 29 10:04:05 python kernel: videodev: "Km" has no release callback. Please fix your driver for proper sysfs support, see http://lwn.net/Articles/36850/
Jan 29 10:04:05 python kernel: videodev: "Km" has no release callback. Please fix your driver for proper sysfs support, see http://lwn.net/Articles/36850/
Jan 29 10:04:05 python kernel: sizeof(kmfl_template)=780 sizeof(KM_FIELD)=52
Jan 29 10:04:05 python kernel: Device ATI Technologies Inc Radeon RV200 QW [Rad 0000:01:05.0 (0x1002:0x5157) corresponds to /dev/video0
Jan 29 10:04:05 python kernel: kms variables: reg_aperture=0xe093f000
Jan 29 10:05:10 python kernel: Debug: sleeping function called from invalid context at mm/slab.c:1913
Jan 29 10:05:10 python kernel: in_atomic():1, irqs_disabled():0
Jan 29 10:05:10 python kernel: Call Trace:

NOTE: I think the sleeping in atomic warning was caused by km, because when it occurred was when I was running "test1.tcl".  Unfortunately, no call trace was printed for some reason.

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Hi Paul,

yes, I know that tv output module is not working correctly
with regard to Clone* options. I'm planning to fix it
soon. For the time being, consider that the output module is doing
a sort of clone mode of its own: because of this no
Clone* option should be given or things will mess up (as
you observed).
HTH.

Regards,
Federico Ulivi - Milan (Italy)
http://utenti.lycos.it/fulivi


--------- Original Message ---------

DATE: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 16:35:21
From: "Paul V. Gratz" <pg...@gr...>
To: Gatos <gat...@li...>
Cc: 

>Hi all,
>  I just wanted to point out a bug (I think) I have found in the
>theater_out branch of the ati.2 code.  I've found that while the
>"CloneDisplay" option seems to work fine in XFree v4.3.0, if I install
>the theater out drivers, the second display gets completely garbled.
>Interestingly the second display seems to get the correct resolution
>(specified by "CloneMode") and the X log looks the same as when using
>the default v4.3.0 drivers but the screen is unreadable.  This happens
>weather or not I actually load the theater_out driver part. 
>
>  My system is a dell laptop with an M9 ATI video chipset.  Therefore
>the primary display is the LCD screen and the secondary is a monitor.
>I'm running a fully updated (but not unstable updated) gentoo linux
>distribution so I have gcc 3.2.3 if that matters and I've compiled all
>my X and gatos stuff from source.  Please let me know if there is any
>other info you need or anything you want me to try, right now it is very
>easy for me to reproduce the problem.  I can even set it up for someone
>to log into if that would help.  
>
>  I have not tried the ati.2 regular branch but I'm game if someone
>would like to know how that works.
>
>Thanks
>Paul
>
>
>
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OK I just thought you should know, its not a big deal for me (once I
figured out I had to back off that version for the second monitor to
work).  I have a setup now where I can switch back and forth with a
minimal amount of hacking. 

BTW, just as an aside, do you know if the clone mode stuff can be used
for xinerama type stuff? if not is there a way to make ATI dual output
cards do xinerama?  As someone else posted here it would be awesome to
have the tv as a second display in xinerama.

Thanks!
Paul

On Thu, 2004-01-29 at 17:18, federico ulivi wrote:
> Hi Paul,
> 
> yes, I know that tv output module is not working correctly
> with regard to Clone* options. I'm planning to fix it
> soon. For the time being, consider that the output module is doing
> a sort of clone mode of its own: because of this no
> Clone* option should be given or things will mess up (as
> you observed).
> HTH.
> 
> Regards,
> Federico Ulivi - Milan (Italy)
> http://utenti.lycos.it/fulivi
> 
> 
> --------- Original Message ---------
> 
> DATE: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 16:35:21
> From: "Paul V. Gratz" <pg...@gr...>
> To: Gatos <gat...@li...>
> Cc: 
> 
> >Hi all,
> >  I just wanted to point out a bug (I think) I have found in the
> >theater_out branch of the ati.2 code.  I've found that while the
> >"CloneDisplay" option seems to work fine in XFree v4.3.0, if I install
> >the theater out drivers, the second display gets completely garbled.
> >Interestingly the second display seems to get the correct resolution
> >(specified by "CloneMode") and the X log looks the same as when using
> >the default v4.3.0 drivers but the screen is unreadable.  This happens
> >weather or not I actually load the theater_out driver part. 
> >
> >  My system is a dell laptop with an M9 ATI video chipset.  Therefore
> >the primary display is the LCD screen and the secondary is a monitor.
> >I'm running a fully updated (but not unstable updated) gentoo linux
> >distribution so I have gcc 3.2.3 if that matters and I've compiled all
> >my X and gatos stuff from source.  Please let me know if there is any
> >other info you need or anything you want me to try, right now it is very
> >easy for me to reproduce the problem.  I can even set it up for someone
> >to log into if that would help.  
> >
> >  I have not tried the ati.2 regular branch but I'm game if someone
> >would like to know how that works.
> >
> >Thanks
> >Paul
> >
> >
> >
> >
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AVview CVS doesn't compile against ffmpeg CVS; it looks like an API has changed or something similar:

if gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I. -I/usr/include/tcl8.4/tcl-private/generic -I/usr/include/tcl8.4/tk-private/generic   -Wall -O2 -DAVVIEW_VERSION=\"0.80.3\" -I/home/xsdg/files/tvtuner/new/ffcvs/ffmpeg//libavformat -I/home/xsdg/files/tvtuner/new/ffcvs/ffmpeg//libavcodec -g -O2 -I/home/xsdg/files/tvtuner/new/ffcvs/ffmpeg//libavformat -I/home/xsdg/files/tvtuner/new/ffcvs/ffmpeg//libavcodec -MT avview_shell-ffmpeg.o -MD -MP -MF ".deps/avview_shell-ffmpeg.Tpo" \
  -c -o avview_shell-ffmpeg.o `test -f 'ffmpeg.c' || echo './'`ffmpeg.c; \
then mv -f ".deps/avview_shell-ffmpeg.Tpo" ".deps/avview_shell-ffmpeg.Po"; \
else rm -f ".deps/avview_shell-ffmpeg.Tpo"; exit 1; \
fi
ffmpeg.c: In function `ffmpeg_create_video_codec':
ffmpeg.c:581: error: structure has no member named `aspect_ratio'
ffmpeg.c: In function `ffmpeg_encode_v4l_stream':
ffmpeg.c:829: error: structure has no member named `flags'
make[1]: *** [avview_shell-ffmpeg.o] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/xsdg/files/tvtuner/new/gatos/avview'
make: *** [all] Error 2

I updated both trees (avview and ffmpeg) at:
$date -u
Thu Jan 29 14:09:30 UTC 2004


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On Wed 28 January 2004 03:49, sean darcy wrote:
> I'm just now installing a 8500dv on a box running kernel 2.6, and
> xfree86-4.3. I want to do video capture from a vcr running old
> video tapes.
>
> I've dl'd ati.2 , drm-kernel , avview  and km.
>
> In the 2.6 kernel I have:
>
> CONFIG_DRM_RADEON=3Dy
>
> Do I still need drm-kernel?

Yes, because the standard drm does not know how to work together=20
with gatos. If you don't need 3D acceleration, you don't need drm=20
at all.

> ati.2 is a patch to xfree86.  Do I  need this with 4.3.0?  4.4?
> cvs?

4.3.0

> avview is userspace. Is it comparable - a replacement for -
> Xawtv?

Yes.

> What  about km? Is this similar to xawtv?  xine?

It is a kernel module that is required for capturing, but not for=20
watching TV.

Lourens
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GPG public key: http://home.student.utwente.nl/l.e.veen/lourens.key

Vladimir Dergachev <vo...@mi...> writes:

>> 1. Write a library like SDL, or, (better yet !) extend SDL to allow
>> access to video input devices (SDL already supports YUV output).

This sounds like it would be genuinely useful, if application authors
could be persuaded to use the new interface.

>>  2. You are *not* going to persuade me that the machine that is
>> supposed to capture video and compress it on the fly does not have
>> resources to run X purely for control purposes. Remember: you don't
>> have to load KDE, gnome or motif, just X ! and you don't have to
>> use for drawing either.

I won't try :-) My objection isn't about resources.  An idle X server
isn't that expensive.  It just seems archtecturally unclean.

                Marc

On Wed, 28 Jan 2004, sean darcy wrote:

> This was great. just the help I was looking for.
>
> Some more stupid questions?:
>
> The instructions on compiling ati.2 from cvs:
>
> # Download or checkout with CVS the XFree86 tree you need. Follow
> instructions to compile and install it.

This is a bit outdated - you simply need source for XFree86 4.3.0.

> DO NOT DELETE IT.
> # Go to ati.2 directory and type:
>
> xmkmf /path/to/your/xfree86/tree
> make
> make install
>
> is "/path/to/your/xfree86/tree"   /usr/X11  or the path to the cvs source
> tree: /opt/X11/cvs ?
>
> ati.2 is NOT a patch to XFree86, right?  It gets the headers from the
> XFree86 source tree and installs itself in /usr/X11?

There are headers that are only needed to compile XFree86 but that are not
needed for client programs (like xterm). These headers are not installed
in /usr/X11, but are needed for compiling drivers like ati.2.

So you have to point it to the source tree. In my case the path is
/nfs/node2-storage/xf86/XFree86-2/xc  - it usually ends in xc as xc is
what you get when you unpack the sources or checkout from CVS. (module
name is xc).

>
>
> Also, you say km installs itself in the running kernel. What happens when
> you reboot?  Does it load the module itself each time you use it.  That is,
> km.o never goes into /lib/modules/2.6.x?

Actually, for now, there is no version of km for 2.6.x at all.

You could instruct kernel to load km automatically, but I would advise
against it for now, or you might get a chance to feel firsthand what it is
like to fix Spirit (MER-A - mars rover).

 If something goes wrong (say you got a stray DRM module) kernel will
load km during boot and lock up hard - all before you get a chance to
do anything with your keyboard.

 Of course, here you can always put in boot CD and reboot..

 The way I wiggle out of it is that I put km on a remotely mounted NFS
partition and load it from there. If things go wrong all I have to do is
pull ethernet cable, reboot, replug the cable and fix the things manually.

                          best

                            Vladimir Dergachev

>
> thanks
> sean
>
> >From: Lourens Veen <lo...@ra...>
> >To: "sean darcy" <sea...@ho...>
> >CC: gat...@li...
> >Subject: Re: [GATOS]Do I need drm-kernel and ati.2 with 2.6 kernel and 4.4?
> >Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 17:23:43 +0100
> >
> >On Wed 28 January 2004 16:44, sean darcy wrote:
> > > Thanks for all the help.  I'm still, however, trying to get it
> > > clear.
> >
> > > > > Do I still need drm-kernel?
> > > >
> > > >Yes, because the standard drm does not know how to work together
> > > >with gatos. If you don't need 3D acceleration, you don't need
> > > > drm at all.
> > >
> > > So, if I'm just interested in video capture, I can just use the
> > > 2.6 kernel DRM?
> > > Will the 2.6 kernel module conflict with avview or km?
> >
> >It will probably conflict with km. If you're not interested in 3D,
> >the best option is to not use DRM at all. Just don't load any DRM
> >module at all.
> >
> > > > > ati.2 is a patch to xfree86.  Do I  need this with 4.3.0?
> > > > > 4.4? cvs?
> > > >
> > > >4.3.0
> > >
> > > Do I need ati.2 at all?
> >
> >Yes. At least for the recent binaries, you need XFree86 4.3. You
> >then install the files in the ati.2 archive on top of your
> >/usr/X11R6/. Backing up the old files is a good idea, just in case
> >it doesn't work.
> >
> > > > > avview is userspace. Is it comparable - a replacement for -
> > > > > Xawtv?
> > > >
> > > >Yes.
> > > >
> > > > > What  about km? Is this similar to xawtv?  xine?
> > > >
> > > >It is a kernel module that is required for capturing, but not
> > > > for watching TV.
> > >
> > > Here is a snip from the km README.  As I read this, all I need is
> > > AVview. I also don't see how km becomes a kernel module.  There
> > > is no copying of  a *.o  file to  /lib/modules/2.6.*.   Also,
> > > what creates /dev/videoXXX? ati.2 or km?
> >
> >It's hidden ;-).
> >
> > > ...snip>
> > >
> > > * edit Makefile
> > >     * compile
> > >     * become root and issue "make test"
> > >     * start X
> > >     * get AVview, compile it
> > >     * run AVview
> > >     * enjoy
> > >     * tweak
> > >
> > >     kmultimedia websites: http://gatos.sf.net
> >
> >The compilation step compiles a km.o, and make test inserts it into
> >the running kernel. So it really is there.
> >
> >As far as I understand, this is how it works:
> >
> >ati.2 is the XFree86 driver. It manages the video RAM and programs
> >the card's tuner and other video-related features (overlay,
> >scaling, etc.) DRM deals with the 3D parts of the card, texture
> >uploading, vertex processing, etc. Since ati.2 differs from the
> >standard ati driver in the way it sets up the card's video memory
> >(it needs room for video buffers and things), using the standard
> >DRM is going to crash the machine, because it makes assumptions
> >about the card's settings that are no longer true when using ati.2.
> >
> >So, if you have ati.2, you can watch TV (including changing
> >channels, etc.). If you have DRM to go with it (the gatos version
> >ofcourse) you can also run hardware accelerated 3D.
> >
> >Now, if you also want to record the video you're watching, you need
> >km. km is a kernel module that creates /dev/videoX, and sets up DMA
> >transfers from the card to kernel memory, after which you can get
> >the data from /dev/videoX. km does not know anything about tuners
> >or setting up the display, all it knows is how to get data out of a
> >card that is already displaying the stream. So you need the ati.2
> >driver to set up the card for display, and then you use km to
> >actually get it to disk.
> >
> >Now, since you don't want to do this by hand, there is AVview, which
> >does all this for you, and provides a nice GUI to change channels
> >and record things. AVview requires ALSA to capture sound; since
> >you're using 2.6.1 you most likely already have that set up.
> >
> >So, to wrap it all up into some concrete advice: get the ati.2
> >binaries (or source, you need an XFree86 source tree to compile
> >them though), and install them. Get AVview, and run it. See if you
> >can watch TV. If that works, add km, and see if you can capture.
> >Leave DRM well alone, if you don't need hardware 3D acceleration,
> >it can do more harm than good.
> >
> >HTH,
> >
> >Lourens
> >--
> >GPG public key: http://home.student.utwente.nl/l.e.veen/lourens.key
> >
> >
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On Wed, 28 Jan 2004, Joeri Belis wrote:

> why can't broken PAL to YUV4MPEG2 work ATI cards

Well, I don't know what "broken PAL" is.

If you have a signal that was corrupted somehow that you basically have
two options:

  1. Reprogram the video decoder (chip that converts analog signal into
     YUV frames) to compensate for the corruption or make it less
     sensitive to it.

  2. Make a hardware gadget that filters the signal ("normalizes" it) so
     it looks like a regular signal to the video decoder.

You are unlikely to get good results from processing YUV data alone as,
for once, it is optimized for bandwidth - there is just enough to
represent the video stream faithfully (more or less) - so when you try
to reprocess it you cannot reconstruct the actual signal that arrived at
the decoder.

The other reason is that video decoder is a non-linear device, which is
supposed to produce good results with a clean signal - and which produces
unpredictable results with a corrupted one.

                     best

                        Vladimir Dergachev

>
> I am trying to understand why we can't do stuff like
> translating broken PAL to YUV4MPEG2. Is this because
> the signal is already converted and is not a raw signal?
>
> see this site for more info
>
> http://www.phys.uu.nl/~snel/cc2y4m/
>
>
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This was great. just the help I was looking for.

Some more stupid questions?:

The instructions on compiling ati.2 from cvs:

# Download or checkout with CVS the XFree86 tree you need. Follow 
instructions to compile and install it.
DO NOT DELETE IT.
# Go to ati.2 directory and type:

xmkmf /path/to/your/xfree86/tree
make
make install

is "/path/to/your/xfree86/tree"   /usr/X11  or the path to the cvs source 
tree: /opt/X11/cvs ?

ati.2 is NOT a patch to XFree86, right?  It gets the headers from the 
XFree86 source tree and installs itself in /usr/X11?


Also, you say km installs itself in the running kernel. What happens when 
you reboot?  Does it load the module itself each time you use it.  That is, 
km.o never goes into /lib/modules/2.6.x?

thanks
sean

>From: Lourens Veen <lo...@ra...>
>To: "sean darcy" <sea...@ho...>
>CC: gat...@li...
>Subject: Re: [GATOS]Do I need drm-kernel and ati.2 with 2.6 kernel and 4.4?
>Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 17:23:43 +0100
>
>On Wed 28 January 2004 16:44, sean darcy wrote:
> > Thanks for all the help.  I'm still, however, trying to get it
> > clear.
>
> > > > Do I still need drm-kernel?
> > >
> > >Yes, because the standard drm does not know how to work together
> > >with gatos. If you don't need 3D acceleration, you don't need
> > > drm at all.
> >
> > So, if I'm just interested in video capture, I can just use the
> > 2.6 kernel DRM?
> > Will the 2.6 kernel module conflict with avview or km?
>
>It will probably conflict with km. If you're not interested in 3D,
>the best option is to not use DRM at all. Just don't load any DRM
>module at all.
>
> > > > ati.2 is a patch to xfree86.  Do I  need this with 4.3.0?
> > > > 4.4? cvs?
> > >
> > >4.3.0
> >
> > Do I need ati.2 at all?
>
>Yes. At least for the recent binaries, you need XFree86 4.3. You
>then install the files in the ati.2 archive on top of your
>/usr/X11R6/. Backing up the old files is a good idea, just in case
>it doesn't work.
>
> > > > avview is userspace. Is it comparable - a replacement for -
> > > > Xawtv?
> > >
> > >Yes.
> > >
> > > > What  about km? Is this similar to xawtv?  xine?
> > >
> > >It is a kernel module that is required for capturing, but not
> > > for watching TV.
> >
> > Here is a snip from the km README.  As I read this, all I need is
> > AVview. I also don't see how km becomes a kernel module.  There
> > is no copying of  a *.o  file to  /lib/modules/2.6.*.   Also,
> > what creates /dev/videoXXX? ati.2 or km?
>
>It's hidden ;-).
>
> > ...snip>
> >
> > * edit Makefile
> >     * compile
> >     * become root and issue "make test"
> >     * start X
> >     * get AVview, compile it
> >     * run AVview
> >     * enjoy
> >     * tweak
> >
> >     kmultimedia websites: http://gatos.sf.net
>
>The compilation step compiles a km.o, and make test inserts it into
>the running kernel. So it really is there.
>
>As far as I understand, this is how it works:
>
>ati.2 is the XFree86 driver. It manages the video RAM and programs
>the card's tuner and other video-related features (overlay,
>scaling, etc.) DRM deals with the 3D parts of the card, texture
>uploading, vertex processing, etc. Since ati.2 differs from the
>standard ati driver in the way it sets up the card's video memory
>(it needs room for video buffers and things), using the standard
>DRM is going to crash the machine, because it makes assumptions
>about the card's settings that are no longer true when using ati.2.
>
>So, if you have ati.2, you can watch TV (including changing
>channels, etc.). If you have DRM to go with it (the gatos version
>ofcourse) you can also run hardware accelerated 3D.
>
>Now, if you also want to record the video you're watching, you need
>km. km is a kernel module that creates /dev/videoX, and sets up DMA
>transfers from the card to kernel memory, after which you can get
>the data from /dev/videoX. km does not know anything about tuners
>or setting up the display, all it knows is how to get data out of a
>card that is already displaying the stream. So you need the ati.2
>driver to set up the card for display, and then you use km to
>actually get it to disk.
>
>Now, since you don't want to do this by hand, there is AVview, which
>does all this for you, and provides a nice GUI to change channels
>and record things. AVview requires ALSA to capture sound; since
>you're using 2.6.1 you most likely already have that set up.
>
>So, to wrap it all up into some concrete advice: get the ati.2
>binaries (or source, you need an XFree86 source tree to compile
>them though), and install them. Get AVview, and run it. See if you
>can watch TV. If that works, add km, and see if you can capture.
>Leave DRM well alone, if you don't need hardware 3D acceleration,
>it can do more harm than good.
>
>HTH,
>
>Lourens
>--
>GPG public key: http://home.student.utwente.nl/l.e.veen/lourens.key
>
>
>
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On Wed 28 January 2004 16:44, sean darcy wrote:
> Thanks for all the help.  I'm still, however, trying to get it
> clear.

> > > Do I still need drm-kernel?
> >
> >Yes, because the standard drm does not know how to work together
> >with gatos. If you don't need 3D acceleration, you don't need
> > drm at all.
>
> So, if I'm just interested in video capture, I can just use the
> 2.6 kernel DRM?
> Will the 2.6 kernel module conflict with avview or km?

It will probably conflict with km. If you're not interested in 3D,=20
the best option is to not use DRM at all. Just don't load any DRM=20
module at all.

> > > ati.2 is a patch to xfree86.  Do I  need this with 4.3.0?=20
> > > 4.4? cvs?
> >
> >4.3.0
>
> Do I need ati.2 at all?

Yes. At least for the recent binaries, you need XFree86 4.3. You=20
then install the files in the ati.2 archive on top of your=20
/usr/X11R6/. Backing up the old files is a good idea, just in case=20
it doesn't work.

> > > avview is userspace. Is it comparable - a replacement for -
> > > Xawtv?
> >
> >Yes.
> >
> > > What  about km? Is this similar to xawtv?  xine?
> >
> >It is a kernel module that is required for capturing, but not
> > for watching TV.
>
> Here is a snip from the km README.  As I read this, all I need is
> AVview. I also don't see how km becomes a kernel module.  There
> is no copying of  a *.o  file to  /lib/modules/2.6.*.   Also,
> what creates /dev/videoXXX? ati.2 or km?

It's hidden ;-).

> ...snip>
>
> * edit Makefile
>     * compile
>     * become root and issue "make test"
>     * start X
>     * get AVview, compile it
>     * run AVview
>     * enjoy
>     * tweak
>
>     kmultimedia websites: http://gatos.sf.net

The compilation step compiles a km.o, and make test inserts it into=20
the running kernel. So it really is there.

As far as I understand, this is how it works:

ati.2 is the XFree86 driver. It manages the video RAM and programs=20
the card's tuner and other video-related features (overlay,=20
scaling, etc.) DRM deals with the 3D parts of the card, texture=20
uploading, vertex processing, etc. Since ati.2 differs from the=20
standard ati driver in the way it sets up the card's video memory=20
(it needs room for video buffers and things), using the standard=20
DRM is going to crash the machine, because it makes assumptions=20
about the card's settings that are no longer true when using ati.2.

So, if you have ati.2, you can watch TV (including changing=20
channels, etc.). If you have DRM to go with it (the gatos version=20
ofcourse) you can also run hardware accelerated 3D.

Now, if you also want to record the video you're watching, you need=20
km. km is a kernel module that creates /dev/videoX, and sets up DMA=20
transfers from the card to kernel memory, after which you can get=20
the data from /dev/videoX. km does not know anything about tuners=20
or setting up the display, all it knows is how to get data out of a=20
card that is already displaying the stream. So you need the ati.2=20
driver to set up the card for display, and then you use km to=20
actually get it to disk.

Now, since you don't want to do this by hand, there is AVview, which=20
does all this for you, and provides a nice GUI to change channels=20
and record things. AVview requires ALSA to capture sound; since=20
you're using 2.6.1 you most likely already have that set up.

So, to wrap it all up into some concrete advice: get the ati.2=20
binaries (or source, you need an XFree86 source tree to compile=20
them though), and install them. Get AVview, and run it. See if you=20
can watch TV. If that works, add km, and see if you can capture.=20
Leave DRM well alone, if you don't need hardware 3D acceleration,=20
it can do more harm than good.

HTH,

Lourens
--=20
GPG public key: http://home.student.utwente.nl/l.e.veen/lourens.key

Thanks for all the help.  I'm still, however, trying to get it clear.

>From: Lourens Veen <lo...@ra...>
>To: "sean darcy" <sea...@ho...>,gat...@li...
>Subject: Re: [GATOS]Do I need drm-kernel and ati.2  with 2.6 kernel and 
>4.4?
>Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 07:38:14 +0100
>
>On Wed 28 January 2004 03:49, sean darcy wrote:
> > I'm just now installing a 8500dv on a box running kernel 2.6, and
> > xfree86-4.3. I want to do video capture from a vcr running old
> > video tapes.
> >
> > I've dl'd ati.2 , drm-kernel , avview  and km.
> >
> > In the 2.6 kernel I have:
> >
> > CONFIG_DRM_RADEON=y
> >
> > Do I still need drm-kernel?
>
>Yes, because the standard drm does not know how to work together
>with gatos. If you don't need 3D acceleration, you don't need drm
>at all.

So, if I'm just interested in video capture, I can just use the 2.6 kernel 
DRM?
Will the 2.6 kernel module conflict with avview or km?
>
> > ati.2 is a patch to xfree86.  Do I  need this with 4.3.0?  4.4?
> > cvs?
>
>4.3.0

Do I need ati.2 at all?
>
> > avview is userspace. Is it comparable - a replacement for -
> > Xawtv?
>
>Yes.
>
> > What  about km? Is this similar to xawtv?  xine?
>
>It is a kernel module that is required for capturing, but not for
>watching TV.

Here is a snip from the km README.  As I read this, all I need is AVview. I 
also don't see how km becomes a kernel module.  There is no copying of  a  
*.o  file to  /lib/modules/2.6.*.   Also, what creates /dev/videoXXX? ati.2  
or km?

...snip>

* edit Makefile
    * compile
    * become root and issue "make test"
    * start X
    * get AVview, compile it
    * run AVview
    * enjoy
    * tweak

    kmultimedia websites: http://gatos.sf.net


Additional notes:

    1) I guess I should have put this into README:

        the way km works is this:

        * you setup TV-in using AVview and Xserver - which means
          you see TV in a window.

        * now you can use km to see video data. When an application
          opens /dev/videoXXX created by km the code check to see
          whether AIW card is receiving data from the decoder.
          If this is true km sets up DMA transfers to deliver data
          into main RAM. If not it reports -ENODATA.

...end snip.
>
>Lourens
thanks again

sean

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>From: Nikolai Zhubr <s0...@ho...>
>To: "sean darcy" <sea...@ho...>
>CC: gat...@li...
>Subject: Re: [GATOS]Do I need drm-kernel and ati.2  with 2.6 kernel and 
>4.4?
>Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 16:31:52 +0300
>
>Hi,
>Wednesday, 28 January, 2004, 5:49:11, sean darcy wrote:
>
> > I'm just now installing a 8500dv on a box running kernel 2.6, and
> > xfree86-4.3. I want to do video capture from a vcr running old video 
>tapes.
>Beware, if the card uses Rage Theater 200 then capture is not
>implemented for it yet (AFAIK).
>--
>Best regards,
>  Nikolai Zhubr

The chip on the 8500DV just says Rage Theater.  So that  looks good.

sean

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Hi,
Wednesday, 28 January, 2004, 5:49:11, sean darcy wrote:

> I'm just now installing a 8500dv on a box running kernel 2.6, and
> xfree86-4.3. I want to do video capture from a vcr running old video ta=
pes.
Beware, if the card uses Rage Theater 200 then capture is not
implemented for it yet (AFAIK).
--=20
Best regards,
 Nikolai Zhubr

> I've dl'd ati.2 , drm-kernel , avview  and km.

> In the 2.6 kernel I have:

> CONFIG_DRM_RADEON=3Dy

> Do I still need drm-kernel?

> ati.2 is a patch to xfree86.  Do I  need this with 4.3.0?  4.4? cvs?

> avview is userspace. Is it comparable - a replacement for - Xawtv?

> What  about km? Is this similar to xawtv?  xine?

> Sorry for all the questions, but I've found this somewhat confusing.

> sean

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Hello!

I noticed from gatos.sf.net that there are tv-out drivers now available
supporting clone-mode..

I'm interested using the tv-out as another head (not clone mode). 
Is this possible currently?

There has been some discussion on dri-devel about accelerated 3D (opengl) on
both heads using mergedfb code.. does this help?

I was suggested at dri-devel to contact gatos list.

I'd like to run my VJ software in my laptop (which has radeon mobility M6). 
The display of the laptop being the first head (for the control gui of vj app), 
and the tv-out being another head for the visualization thingy (running opengl).

Thanks for your help..

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why can't broken PAL to YUV4MPEG2 work ATI cards

I am trying to understand why we can't do stuff like
translating broken PAL to YUV4MPEG2. Is this because
the signal is already converted and is not a raw signal?

see this site for more info

http://www.phys.uu.nl/~snel/cc2y4m/

You wrote:

> I'm just now installing a 8500dv on a box running kernel 2.6, and 
> xfree86-4.3. I want to do video capture from a vcr running old video
> tapes.
> 
> I've dl'd ati.2 , drm-kernel , avview  and km.
> 
> In the 2.6 kernel I have:
> 
> CONFIG_DRM_RADEON=y
> 
> Do I still need drm-kernel?
	DRM is needed for GL stuff.  If you don't plan to play games don't
worry.  I'd stick with the GATOS DRM though since it seems to work.

> 
> ati.2 is a patch to xfree86.  Do I  need this with 4.3.0?  4.4? cvs?
	Depends on the verision you downloaded from GATOS. 
> 
> avview is userspace. Is it comparable - a replacement for - Xawtv?
	Jupp.  
> 
> What  about km? Is this similar to xawtv?  xine?
	You need km to capture shots and video.  You also need ALSA if you
want to do sound.

> Sorry for all the questions, but I've found this somewhat confusing.
	No prob, I could actually answer this one :-D
> 
> sean

I'm just now installing a 8500dv on a box running kernel 2.6, and 
xfree86-4.3. I want to do video capture from a vcr running old video tapes.

I've dl'd ati.2 , drm-kernel , avview  and km.

In the 2.6 kernel I have:

CONFIG_DRM_RADEON=y

Do I still need drm-kernel?

ati.2 is a patch to xfree86.  Do I  need this with 4.3.0?  4.4? cvs?

avview is userspace. Is it comparable - a replacement for - Xawtv?

What  about km? Is this similar to xawtv?  xine?

Sorry for all the questions, but I've found this somewhat confusing.

sean

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Vladimir Dergachev wrote:
> What sampling rates does your sound card support ? You might want to
> change the default (which is like 48000hz).

With arecord I can use any sampling rate I like, so I don't think it's 
got s.th. to do with that.

I compared arecord and avview/alsa.c and found that everything was the 
same except for the access method which is RW_INTERLEAVED in avview and 
MMAP_INTERLEAVED in arecord. I'd like to produce the same error in 
arecord, but I'm not able to change the access method by commandline, 
but I guess it's related with that.

Perhaps it's a bug of alsa and my soundcard (Terratec DMX 1024 -> 
cs46xx). I try to get more infos on the alsa-list...

Here is the output of arecord:

martin@beatnight test $ arecord -v -d 3 -r 48000 test.wav
Recording WAVE 'test.wav' : Unsigned 8 bit, Rate 48000 Hz, Mono
Plug PCM: Route conversion PCM (sformat=S16_LE)
Transformation table:
0 <- 0*0.5 + 1*0.5
Its setup is:
stream       : CAPTURE
access       : RW_INTERLEAVED
format       : U8
subformat    : STD
channels     : 1
rate         : 48000
exact rate   : 48000 (48000/1)
msbits       : 8
buffer_size  : 16384
period_size  : 512
period_time  : 10666
tick_time    : 5000
tstamp_mode  : NONE
period_step  : 1
sleep_min    : 0
avail_min    : 512
xfer_align   : 512
start_threshold  : 1
stop_threshold   : 16384
silence_threshold: 0
silence_size : 0
boundary     : 1073741824
Slave: Hardware PCM card 0 'Sound Fusion CS46xx' device 0 subdevice 0

Its setup is:
stream       : CAPTURE
access       : MMAP_INTERLEAVED
format       : S16_LE
subformat    : STD
channels     : 2
rate         : 48000
exact rate   : 48000 (48000/1)
msbits       : 16
buffer_size  : 16384
period_size  : 512
period_time  : 10666
tick_time    : 5000
tstamp_mode  : NONE
period_step  : 1
sleep_min    : 0
avail_min    : 512
xfer_align   : 512
start_threshold  : 1
stop_threshold   : 16384
silence_threshold: 0
silence_size : 0
boundary     : 1073741824


Good Bye,
Martin

> On Sun, 25 Jan 2004, [ISO-8859-1] Martin Gro?hauser wrote:
> 
> 
>>Hello,
>>
>>thanks for your help, watching TV over TV-in works now. Capturing the
>>video-stream works, too.
>>But an error occurs if I try to capture the audio stream. I already
>>upgraded from alsa 0.9 to 1.0.1, then downgraded to 1.0.0rc2 again. This
>>is the output of avview:
>>
>>-----------
>>martin@beatnight test $ start_avview
>>libzvbi available export modules:
>>         HTML:keyword "html" mimetype "text/html" extension "html,htm"
>>         PNG:keyword "png" mimetype "image/png" extension "png"
>>         PPM:keyword "ppm" mimetype "image/x-portable-pixmap" extension
>>"ppm"
>>         Text:keyword "text" mimetype "text/plain" extension "txt"
>>         VTX:keyword "vtx" mimetype "application/videotext" extension "vtx"
>>Cannot find pane frame for key /Configuration/Encoding settings: can't
>>read "SETUP_PANES(/Configuration/Encoding settings:pane_frame)": no such
>>element in arrayNUM_ADAPTORS=1
>>Adaptor 0: ATI Rage128 Video Overlay
>>                 type input video image
>>                 ports 69
>>69 ATI Rage128 Video Overlay
>>master=.controlwin row=1 column=0
>>Looking for km device that corresponds to PCI:01:00.0
>>km_devs=control0
>>read line=+STATUS
>>read line=DEVICE_ID=ATI Technologies Inc Rage 128 PF/PRO AGP 4x TMDS
>>read line=LOCATION_ID=PCI:01:00.0
>>read line=INSTANCE_ID=KM_DEVICE:0
>>read line=VSYNC_COUNT=0
>>read line=VBLANK_COUNT=0
>>read line=VLINE_COUNT=0
>>read line=V4L_DEVICE=0
>>read line=VIDEO_STREAM_ACTIVE=0
>>read line=VIDEO_STREAM_DATA_UNIT=4294967295
>>read line=VIDEO_STREAM_INFO_DATA_UNIT=4294967295
>>read line=VBI_DEVICE=4294967295
>>read line=VBI_STREAM_DATA_UNIT=4294967295
>>read line=VBI_STREAM_INFO_DATA_UNIT=4294967295
>>read line=VBI_STREAM_ACTIVE=0
>>read line=+END_STATUS
>>9 {High quality MPEG-4} divx 600000 2 {Fix quality} MSMPEG-4 128000
>>MPEG-2 AVI double-interpolate one-half avi
>>8 {High quality MPEG-4} jaja 600000 3 {Fix quality} MSMPEG-4 80000
>>MPEG-3 AVI deinterlace-weave {one quarter} avi
>>master=.controlwin row=1 column=0
>>Current picture parameters: depth=16 palette=7
>>master=.controlwin row=1 column=0
>>Current picture parameters: depth=16 palette=7
>>video: using bitrate=600000, frame_rate=25025000
>>Checkpoint 2.2.1
>>Checkpoint 2.2.1.1
>>Checkpoint 2.2.1.1.1
>>Checkpoint 2.2.1.2
>>Checkpoint 2.2.1.3
>>Checkpoint 2.2.1.4
>>Checkpoint 2.2.2
>>Using sample rate 48000 Hz frame_size=4
>>buffer_time=100020 dir=1
>>stop_threshhold:0 pid:7309
>>stop_threshhold:0 pid:7309
>>Using audio_codec=MPEG-2
>>audio_codec: bit_rate=128000 sample_rate=48000 frame_size=1152
>>video stream num=0 audio stream num=1
>>Closed ALSA device hw:CARD=0 index 0
>>status=
>>v4l_encoding pid 7421
>>snd_pcm_readi error: Input/output error
>>Segmentation fault
>>-----------------
>>
>>capturing with arecord works fine. The note "Closed ALSA device..."
>>looks strange to me...
>>I'm using cvs-avview, cvs-km and ffmpeg-0.4.8.
>>
>>Regards,
>>Martin
>>
>>
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