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Vladimir Dergachev wrote:

>
>On 31 May 2002, Joe Mocker wrote:
>
>>>Your 7500 or 8500 ? If you have 7500 then it is a known issue.. One that
>>>I am working on.. Not that this should prevent hardware inclined people
>>>from trying to do this on their own.
>>>
>>Ya. I have the 7500. I'm not all that hardware inclined but I could
>>at least make a separate attempt at asking ATI for specs on the board.
>>
>
>The problem is that your request will likely be routed to the "Developers
>relations". I already asked them and, from what I gather, they don't know.
>They are not the same people who develop the hardware or windows drivers.
>
>Are there any people wise in PR on this list ? Any good ideas to improve
>relations with a commercial company ?
>
>                           Vladimir Dergachev
>
>PS The devrel people are still looking for the info, and I am also hoping
>they will send me a sample card so I can tinker with it. Sometimes
>information is right on the surface.. One just has to have something to
>look at.
>
PR wise, the only thing that matters is the bottom line.  You will have 
to reiterate the key to why it is profitable for them to help you:

The better the OS support for thier hardware, the more cards/chips 
they'll sell.  You are asking them to make a minimal investment.  You 
are providing a huge market advantage for them, and doing all of the 
hard work.  This way, you are volunteering to raise their profits and 
their market share, and asking only for a small amount of information in 
return.

The other trick here, is that only people in management tend to care or 
to be able to get things done.  The above arguement will not likely be 
relayed by an apathetic technician.  As you already know technical 
people are already sympathetic to our plight, and they tend to help 
where they can.  If you can get to talk to a manager in PR or DR, and 
you give them the above arguement, you might get somewhere.  Otherwise, 
try to make friends on the internal development team, and try to get 
them on the list.  These are the most valueable folks at ATI, treat them 
well.

Christopher Crawford

On 31 May 2002, Joe Mocker wrote:

> > Your 7500 or 8500 ? If you have 7500 then it is a known issue.. One that
> > I am working on.. Not that this should prevent hardware inclined people
> > from trying to do this on their own.
>
> Ya. I have the 7500. I'm not all that hardware inclined but I could
> at least make a separate attempt at asking ATI for specs on the board.

The problem is that your request will likely be routed to the "Developers
relations". I already asked them and, from what I gather, they don't know.
They are not the same people who develop the hardware or windows drivers.

Are there any people wise in PR on this list ? Any good ideas to improve
relations with a commercial company ?

                           Vladimir Dergachev

PS The devrel people are still looking for the info, and I am also hoping
they will send me a sample card so I can tinker with it. Sometimes
information is right on the surface.. One just has to have something to
look at.

> >   --joe
>
> On Thu, 2002-05-30 at 12:58, Vladimir Dergachev wrote:
> >
> >
> > On 30 May 2002, Joe Mocker wrote:
> >
> > > Vladimir,
> > >
> > > I thought I saw a posting in the archive from you mentioning that
> > > you are working with ATI on problems tuner/audio problems with the
> > > 7500 Radeon support. Is this still an issue ? Could this be the
> > > case with the 8500 as well ?
> > >
> > > I just tried getting audio to work with avview on my 7500 but I
> >
> > Your 7500 or 8500 ? If you have 7500 then it is a known issue.. One that
> > I am working on.. Not that this should prevent hardware inclined people
> > from trying to do this on their own.
> >
> > Basically what needs to be done is to figure out how to access multimedia
> > i2c bus. This could be achieved in three ways:
> >
> >  1. asking ATI politely for specs. I did, they are digging (at least I
> > hope they do).
> >
> >  2. people in freeer countries can take the driver and disassemble it..
> > preferable without clicking stuff.
> >
> >  3. people with scopes or multimeters can try to guess how this is done.
> > the technique is this (I learned this from Oyvind) - you assume that the
> > acess is done via GPIO registers. You get the datasheet for the tuner, it
> > should be freely available. You find out which tuner pins are SCL and SDA,
> > connect to the multimeter/scope and have fun probing GPIO registers using
> > hw_script.
> >
> >   Once it is known which bits drive SCL and which SDA you pass the info to
> > me and I write a driver.. provided the info is correct. This should
> > relatively easy as older mach64 boards use the same access method. Note
> > that method 3 will fail if none of GPIO pins drive i2c bus. It might also
> > possible to damage the hardware by tweaking them - one cannot know without
> > the schematics.
> >
> >                           Vladimir Dergachev
> >
> >
> > > get nothing. But I can turn right around and boot into Win2000 and
> > > get audio just fine with the ATI MMC.
> > >
> > > (And I cannot change channels with avview either).
> > >
> > >   --joe
> > >
> > > On Wed, 2002-05-29 at 22:02, Vladimir Dergachev wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 29 May 2002, Nathan A. Smith wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On Sun, 2002-05-26 at 12:55, Vladimir Dergachev wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 26 May 2002, Nathan A. Smith wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Title says it all.  I get a great picture with xawtv and I can change
> > > > > > > channels.  But, I get no sound.  I have mandrake 8.2 with a sblive
> > > > > > > soundcard.  I am using the latest kernel (with alsa 0.9) and I do have
> > > > > > > sound from my sblive.  I have installed everything from the gatos site
> > > > > > > and have glxgears running at about 60fps.  Please let me know how to
> > > > > > > troubleshoot this.  I   have tried to listen to the card via my sblive
> > > > > > > line-out option with no luck.  Thanks in advance,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If you can try to connect video out from the card directly to the speakers
> > > > > > or headphones (instead of one of the inputs of your sound card) and adjust
> > > > > > "Volume" attribute in AVview's "Xv_Attributes" panel. If you are able to
> > > > > > get sound then it is an issue with your sound card. (And if I remember
> > > > > > correctly other people had problems with it too).
> > > > > >
> > > > > >                               Vladimir Dergachev
> > > > > Thanks for the reply,
> > > > >
> > > > > I got this working under my win98 partition (finally).  I have sound and
> > > > > everything.  So I know it is not a hardware setup problem.  It doesn't
> > > > > rule out a mixer setting problem or a software problem. I can't test the
> > > > > tv by itself as there is no external speaker out port on the 8500DV
> > > > > card.
> > > >
> > > > There is a cable coming out the video card that plugs into your sound
> > > > card. It can be connected to any amplified speakers (it least it worked
> > > > so in my setup) with a male-to-male adaptor from Radio Shack (or is it
> > > > female-to-female ? I don't know the convention here). It should be
> > > > stereo-to-stereo..
> > > >
> > > >                           Vladimir Dergachev
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Nasa
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Nasa
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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> > > > > > >
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> Your 7500 or 8500 ? If you have 7500 then it is a known issue.. One that
> I am working on.. Not that this should prevent hardware inclined people
> from trying to do this on their own.

Ya. I have the 7500. I'm not all that hardware inclined but I could
at least make a separate attempt at asking ATI for specs on the board.

  --joe

On Thu, 2002-05-30 at 12:58, Vladimir Dergachev wrote:
> 
> 
> On 30 May 2002, Joe Mocker wrote:
> 
> > Vladimir,
> >
> > I thought I saw a posting in the archive from you mentioning that
> > you are working with ATI on problems tuner/audio problems with the
> > 7500 Radeon support. Is this still an issue ? Could this be the
> > case with the 8500 as well ?
> >
> > I just tried getting audio to work with avview on my 7500 but I
> 
> Your 7500 or 8500 ? If you have 7500 then it is a known issue.. One that
> I am working on.. Not that this should prevent hardware inclined people
> from trying to do this on their own.
> 
> Basically what needs to be done is to figure out how to access multimedia
> i2c bus. This could be achieved in three ways:
> 
>  1. asking ATI politely for specs. I did, they are digging (at least I
> hope they do).
> 
>  2. people in freeer countries can take the driver and disassemble it..
> preferable without clicking stuff.
> 
>  3. people with scopes or multimeters can try to guess how this is done.
> the technique is this (I learned this from Oyvind) - you assume that the
> acess is done via GPIO registers. You get the datasheet for the tuner, it
> should be freely available. You find out which tuner pins are SCL and SDA,
> connect to the multimeter/scope and have fun probing GPIO registers using
> hw_script.
> 
>   Once it is known which bits drive SCL and which SDA you pass the info to
> me and I write a driver.. provided the info is correct. This should
> relatively easy as older mach64 boards use the same access method. Note
> that method 3 will fail if none of GPIO pins drive i2c bus. It might also
> possible to damage the hardware by tweaking them - one cannot know without
> the schematics.
> 
>                           Vladimir Dergachev
> 
> 
> > get nothing. But I can turn right around and boot into Win2000 and
> > get audio just fine with the ATI MMC.
> >
> > (And I cannot change channels with avview either).
> >
> >   --joe
> >
> > On Wed, 2002-05-29 at 22:02, Vladimir Dergachev wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > On 29 May 2002, Nathan A. Smith wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Sun, 2002-05-26 at 12:55, Vladimir Dergachev wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 26 May 2002, Nathan A. Smith wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Title says it all.  I get a great picture with xawtv and I can change
> > > > > > channels.  But, I get no sound.  I have mandrake 8.2 with a sblive
> > > > > > soundcard.  I am using the latest kernel (with alsa 0.9) and I do have
> > > > > > sound from my sblive.  I have installed everything from the gatos site
> > > > > > and have glxgears running at about 60fps.  Please let me know how to
> > > > > > troubleshoot this.  I   have tried to listen to the card via my sblive
> > > > > > line-out option with no luck.  Thanks in advance,
> > > > >
> > > > > If you can try to connect video out from the card directly to the speakers
> > > > > or headphones (instead of one of the inputs of your sound card) and adjust
> > > > > "Volume" attribute in AVview's "Xv_Attributes" panel. If you are able to
> > > > > get sound then it is an issue with your sound card. (And if I remember
> > > > > correctly other people had problems with it too).
> > > > >
> > > > >                               Vladimir Dergachev
> > > > Thanks for the reply,
> > > >
> > > > I got this working under my win98 partition (finally).  I have sound and
> > > > everything.  So I know it is not a hardware setup problem.  It doesn't
> > > > rule out a mixer setting problem or a software problem. I can't test the
> > > > tv by itself as there is no external speaker out port on the 8500DV
> > > > card.
> > >
> > > There is a cable coming out the video card that plugs into your sound
> > > card. It can be connected to any amplified speakers (it least it worked
> > > so in my setup) with a male-to-male adaptor from Radio Shack (or is it
> > > female-to-female ? I don't know the convention here). It should be
> > > stereo-to-stereo..
> > >
> > >                           Vladimir Dergachev
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Nasa
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Nasa
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > _______________________________________________________________
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Don't miss the 2002 Sprint PCS Application Developer's Conference
> > > > > > August 25-28 in Las Vegas -- http://devcon.sprintpcs.com/adp/index.cfm
> > > > > >
> > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > Gatos-devel mailing list
> > > > > > Gat...@li...
> > > > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gatos-devel
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________________________
> > > > >
> > > > > Don't miss the 2002 Sprint PCS Application Developer's Conference
> > > > > August 25-28 in Las Vegas -- http://devcon.sprintpcs.com/adp/index.cfm
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > Gatos-devel mailing list
> > > > > Gat...@li...
> > > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gatos-devel
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________________________
> > > >
> > > > Don't miss the 2002 Sprint PCS Application Developer's Conference
> > > > August 25-28 in Las Vegas -- http://devcon.sprintpcs.com/adp/index.cfm
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Gatos-devel mailing list
> > > > Gat...@li...
> > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gatos-devel
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________________________
> > >
> > > Don't miss the 2002 Sprint PCS Application Developer's Conference
> > > August 25-28 in Las Vegas -- http://devcon.sprintpcs.com/adp/index.cfm
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Gatos-devel mailing list
> > > Gat...@li...
> > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gatos-devel
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________________________
> >
> > Don't miss the 2002 Sprint PCS Application Developer's Conference
> > August 25-28 in Las Vegas -- http://devcon.sprintpcs.com/adp/index.cfm
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Gatos-devel mailing list
> > Gat...@li...
> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gatos-devel
> >
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________________________
> 
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> August 25-28 in Las Vegas -- http://devcon.sprintpcs.com/adp/index.cfm
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On Fri, 31 May 2002, Michael Leuchtenburg wrote:

> According to the ATI specs, and to one message in the archives by
> Vladimir, the Radeon AIW audio output is digital. 4 connectors on the
> output connector: s-video out, composite video out, RCA audio out, and
> minijack S-P/DIF audio out. However, Jon Reades' Radeon AIW installation
> instructions states that one should just plug the minijack (which is
> supposedly digital) into the line in on one's sound card. Is it digital
> or isn't it?

It is not. Digital out can only be used for playing digital content (i.e.
DVD) by windows software. We do not have the specs to drive it, though it
might not be hard to figure out if someone really needs the feature. The
TV signal is analog only.

>
> Secondly, I have tried connecting the minijack, or connecting the RCA
> through an adaptor, to my sound card, and yet I hear no sound. I'm not
> interested in capturing audio, only listening to it, so I shouldn't need
> ALSA.

Try connecting the analog audio out of the card directly to amplified
speakers. If it works then it is an issue with your sound card - find out
which mixer control needs to be adjusted. There might be more then one
mixer that adjusts this.

>
> I have set XV_MUTE to 0 and XV_VOLUME to 100, yet I get no audio. The
> video works fine, albeit with a strange jitter to it (it looks like the
> deinterlacing code is just weird, as the bottom and top lines are
> flickering and the image appears to jitter up and down by one line). I
> have set this with xvattr and also with avview (which has suddenly
> stopped updating the control window? ugh?)

Control window ? Strange. But, noting you use N64 for output - is this
NTSC or not ? Because, I believe PAL-60 is broken at the moment.

                                    Vladimir Dergachev

>
> I know that the sound being sent to it is good and that the line-in is
> good, as I have connected this self-same source (an N64) to that line-in
> port and it works.
>
> What am I missing here? I just want the audio to work properly for the
> moment. I'd like to be able to plug things into the Radeon AIW instead
> of the sound card.
>
> Thanks!
>
> --
> Michael Leuchtenburg - mi...@sl...
> 1984 is not an instruction manual
>
> _______________________________________________________________
>
> Don't miss the 2002 Sprint PCS Application Developer's Conference
> August 25-28 in Las Vegas -- http://devcon.sprintpcs.com/adp/index.cfm
>
> _______________________________________________
> Gatos-devel mailing list
> Gat...@li...
> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gatos-devel
>

According to the ATI specs, and to one message in the archives by
Vladimir, the Radeon AIW audio output is digital. 4 connectors on the
output connector: s-video out, composite video out, RCA audio out, and
minijack S-P/DIF audio out. However, Jon Reades' Radeon AIW installation
instructions states that one should just plug the minijack (which is
supposedly digital) into the line in on one's sound card. Is it digital
or isn't it?

Secondly, I have tried connecting the minijack, or connecting the RCA
through an adaptor, to my sound card, and yet I hear no sound. I'm not
interested in capturing audio, only listening to it, so I shouldn't need
ALSA.

I have set XV_MUTE to 0 and XV_VOLUME to 100, yet I get no audio. The
video works fine, albeit with a strange jitter to it (it looks like the
deinterlacing code is just weird, as the bottom and top lines are
flickering and the image appears to jitter up and down by one line). I
have set this with xvattr and also with avview (which has suddenly
stopped updating the control window? ugh?)

I know that the sound being sent to it is good and that the line-in is
good, as I have connected this self-same source (an N64) to that line-in
port and it works.

What am I missing here? I just want the audio to work properly for the
moment. I'd like to be able to plug things into the Radeon AIW instead
of the sound card.

Thanks!

-- 
Michael Leuchtenburg - mi...@sl...
1984 is not an instruction manual

On 30 May 2002, Joe Mocker wrote:

> Vladimir,
>
> I thought I saw a posting in the archive from you mentioning that
> you are working with ATI on problems tuner/audio problems with the
> 7500 Radeon support. Is this still an issue ? Could this be the
> case with the 8500 as well ?
>
> I just tried getting audio to work with avview on my 7500 but I

Your 7500 or 8500 ? If you have 7500 then it is a known issue.. One that
I am working on.. Not that this should prevent hardware inclined people
from trying to do this on their own.

Basically what needs to be done is to figure out how to access multimedia
i2c bus. This could be achieved in three ways:

 1. asking ATI politely for specs. I did, they are digging (at least I
hope they do).

 2. people in freeer countries can take the driver and disassemble it..
preferable without clicking stuff.

 3. people with scopes or multimeters can try to guess how this is done.
the technique is this (I learned this from Oyvind) - you assume that the
acess is done via GPIO registers. You get the datasheet for the tuner, it
should be freely available. You find out which tuner pins are SCL and SDA,
connect to the multimeter/scope and have fun probing GPIO registers using
hw_script.

  Once it is known which bits drive SCL and which SDA you pass the info to
me and I write a driver.. provided the info is correct. This should
relatively easy as older mach64 boards use the same access method. Note
that method 3 will fail if none of GPIO pins drive i2c bus. It might also
possible to damage the hardware by tweaking them - one cannot know without
the schematics.

                          Vladimir Dergachev


> get nothing. But I can turn right around and boot into Win2000 and
> get audio just fine with the ATI MMC.
>
> (And I cannot change channels with avview either).
>
>   --joe
>
> On Wed, 2002-05-29 at 22:02, Vladimir Dergachev wrote:
> >
> >
> > On 29 May 2002, Nathan A. Smith wrote:
> >
> > > On Sun, 2002-05-26 at 12:55, Vladimir Dergachev wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 26 May 2002, Nathan A. Smith wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi
> > > > >
> > > > > Title says it all.  I get a great picture with xawtv and I can change
> > > > > channels.  But, I get no sound.  I have mandrake 8.2 with a sblive
> > > > > soundcard.  I am using the latest kernel (with alsa 0.9) and I do have
> > > > > sound from my sblive.  I have installed everything from the gatos site
> > > > > and have glxgears running at about 60fps.  Please let me know how to
> > > > > troubleshoot this.  I   have tried to listen to the card via my sblive
> > > > > line-out option with no luck.  Thanks in advance,
> > > >
> > > > If you can try to connect video out from the card directly to the speakers
> > > > or headphones (instead of one of the inputs of your sound card) and adjust
> > > > "Volume" attribute in AVview's "Xv_Attributes" panel. If you are able to
> > > > get sound then it is an issue with your sound card. (And if I remember
> > > > correctly other people had problems with it too).
> > > >
> > > >                               Vladimir Dergachev
> > > Thanks for the reply,
> > >
> > > I got this working under my win98 partition (finally).  I have sound and
> > > everything.  So I know it is not a hardware setup problem.  It doesn't
> > > rule out a mixer setting problem or a software problem. I can't test the
> > > tv by itself as there is no external speaker out port on the 8500DV
> > > card.
> >
> > There is a cable coming out the video card that plugs into your sound
> > card. It can be connected to any amplified speakers (it least it worked
> > so in my setup) with a male-to-male adaptor from Radio Shack (or is it
> > female-to-female ? I don't know the convention here). It should be
> > stereo-to-stereo..
> >
> >                           Vladimir Dergachev
> >
> > >
> > > Nasa
> > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Nasa
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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Vladimir,

I thought I saw a posting in the archive from you mentioning that
you are working with ATI on problems tuner/audio problems with the
7500 Radeon support. Is this still an issue ? Could this be the
case with the 8500 as well ?

I just tried getting audio to work with avview on my 7500 but I
get nothing. But I can turn right around and boot into Win2000 and
get audio just fine with the ATI MMC. 

(And I cannot change channels with avview either).

  --joe

On Wed, 2002-05-29 at 22:02, Vladimir Dergachev wrote:
> 
> 
> On 29 May 2002, Nathan A. Smith wrote:
> 
> > On Sun, 2002-05-26 at 12:55, Vladimir Dergachev wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > On 26 May 2002, Nathan A. Smith wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi
> > > >
> > > > Title says it all.  I get a great picture with xawtv and I can change
> > > > channels.  But, I get no sound.  I have mandrake 8.2 with a sblive
> > > > soundcard.  I am using the latest kernel (with alsa 0.9) and I do have
> > > > sound from my sblive.  I have installed everything from the gatos site
> > > > and have glxgears running at about 60fps.  Please let me know how to
> > > > troubleshoot this.  I   have tried to listen to the card via my sblive
> > > > line-out option with no luck.  Thanks in advance,
> > >
> > > If you can try to connect video out from the card directly to the speakers
> > > or headphones (instead of one of the inputs of your sound card) and adjust
> > > "Volume" attribute in AVview's "Xv_Attributes" panel. If you are able to
> > > get sound then it is an issue with your sound card. (And if I remember
> > > correctly other people had problems with it too).
> > >
> > >                               Vladimir Dergachev
> > Thanks for the reply,
> >
> > I got this working under my win98 partition (finally).  I have sound and
> > everything.  So I know it is not a hardware setup problem.  It doesn't
> > rule out a mixer setting problem or a software problem. I can't test the
> > tv by itself as there is no external speaker out port on the 8500DV
> > card.
> 
> There is a cable coming out the video card that plugs into your sound
> card. It can be connected to any amplified speakers (it least it worked
> so in my setup) with a male-to-male adaptor from Radio Shack (or is it
> female-to-female ? I don't know the convention here). It should be
> stereo-to-stereo..
> 
>                           Vladimir Dergachev
> 
> >
> > Nasa
> >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Nasa
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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Thanks.....  Windows XP on the same system reports that there is a Phillips
Video Decoder on the system, and under the display driver details, (which is
reported as a ATI Mobility M3) it shows a Phillips Decoder type 7114. So It
looks like this may be a fruitless excercise after all...

I will reboot the system and verifiy the multimedia files are in place in my
X11R6 binary tree anyway.

Thanks,

Rett Walters

-----Original Message-----
From: gat...@li...
[mailto:gat...@li...]On Behalf Of Vladimir
Dergachev
Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 12:05 AM
To: gat...@li...
Subject: RE: [GATOS]Xawtv/KM issues (LONG)



On Wed, 29 May 2002, Rett D. Walters wrote:

> Well, I am not sure how I could not have installed them properly, since I
> manually replaced the files in my X11R6 dir with the ones in the ATI.2
> Binary, and I also have tried the devel drivers (rebuilt my XFree) to get
> TV-Out working (which does work, as per a previous message on this mail
list
> from me) if I had installed something incorrectly, I assume none of this
> would have worked.  I can use XV with Xine with no issues.  I have double
> checked and verified the install.
>

Not necessarily. If you only installed driver modules but omitted
multimedia devices drivers it would have worked (i.e. X would have loaded
correctly) but you would not have seen any picture.

One more thing (upon reading your e-mail more thoroughly) are you sure you
have a Philips video decoder ? Because none of ATI boards have one, they
all either use bt819-829 ones (older Rage128) or Rage Theatre. If you do
have a philips decoder this is likely not an original ATI card. (as
Philips does produce video decoders). In this case you would have to add
support for your decoder yourself - likely along the lines of support of
bt829.

And, after reading it once more - you have IBM Thinkpad, not an AIW card.
The problem with those is that we do have the specs for video decoder, but
no one knows how to access the i2c bus on which it sits.

                             Vladimir Dergachev

> I was hoping someone else has had issues similiar to this....
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rett Walters
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gat...@li...
> [mailto:gat...@li...]On Behalf Of Vladimir
> Dergachev
> Sent: Monday, May 20, 2002 10:14 PM
> To: Rett D. Walters
> Cc: gat...@li...
> Subject: RE: [GATOS]Xawtv/KM issues (LONG)
>
>
>
> Most likely you did not install ati.2 drivers - or did not install them
> correctly.
>
>                        Vladimir Dergachev
>
> On Mon, 20 May 2002, Rett D. Walters wrote:
>
> > Aaview starts, but displays a blank black box.  If I select the Rage
Video
> > Port, it says that TV In is not supported on the selected port.  Aaview
> also
> > appears to not support Changing between S-Video/Composite/Tuner like
Xawtv
> > does (or maybe this is a limitation of the v4l driver), since the Laptop
> > does not have a tuner (just S-Video In) I wonder if it would work at
all.
> >
> > The Video In port works fine under Windows XP, which detects a Phillips
> > Video Decoder (WDM) on the Rage 128 board.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Rett Walters
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Vladimir Dergachev [mailto:vo...@mi...]
> > Sent: Monday, May 20, 2002 2:04 AM
> > To: Rett D. Walters
> > Cc: gat...@li...
> > Subject: Re: [GATOS]Xawtv/KM issues (LONG)
> >
> >
> >
> > Does avview work ?
> >
> >                     Vladimir Dergachev
> >
> > On Sun, 19 May 2002, Rett D. Walters wrote:
> >
> > > Hello:
> > >
> > > I am having an issue with KM and Xawtv.  I am not sure what the issue
> > > is...  downloading and compiling km went good, make test loads modules
> > > into kernel successfully.  Upon starting Xawtv, I get the following
> > > messages:
> > >
> > > # xawtv -f xv
> > > This is xawtv-3.54, running on Linux/i686 (2.4.16-4RTW)

> > >
> > > I am using ATI.2 binaries, Xfree86 4.2.0, Kernel 2.4.16 Custom Build
on
> > > Redhat 7.2, on IBM Thinkpad A20p, PIII 700, 512MB RAM.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Rett Walters
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________________________
> > > Hundreds of nodes, one monster rendering program.
> > > Now that's a super model! Visit http://clustering.foundries.sf.net/
> > >
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> > >
> >
>
>
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On Wed, 29 May 2002, Rett D. Walters wrote:

> Well, I am not sure how I could not have installed them properly, since I
> manually replaced the files in my X11R6 dir with the ones in the ATI.2
> Binary, and I also have tried the devel drivers (rebuilt my XFree) to get
> TV-Out working (which does work, as per a previous message on this mail list
> from me) if I had installed something incorrectly, I assume none of this
> would have worked.  I can use XV with Xine with no issues.  I have double
> checked and verified the install.
>

Not necessarily. If you only installed driver modules but omitted
multimedia devices drivers it would have worked (i.e. X would have loaded
correctly) but you would not have seen any picture.

One more thing (upon reading your e-mail more thoroughly) are you sure you
have a Philips video decoder ? Because none of ATI boards have one, they
all either use bt819-829 ones (older Rage128) or Rage Theatre. If you do
have a philips decoder this is likely not an original ATI card. (as
Philips does produce video decoders). In this case you would have to add
support for your decoder yourself - likely along the lines of support of
bt829.

And, after reading it once more - you have IBM Thinkpad, not an AIW card.
The problem with those is that we do have the specs for video decoder, but
no one knows how to access the i2c bus on which it sits.

                             Vladimir Dergachev

> I was hoping someone else has had issues similiar to this....
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rett Walters
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gat...@li...
> [mailto:gat...@li...]On Behalf Of Vladimir
> Dergachev
> Sent: Monday, May 20, 2002 10:14 PM
> To: Rett D. Walters
> Cc: gat...@li...
> Subject: RE: [GATOS]Xawtv/KM issues (LONG)
>
>
>
> Most likely you did not install ati.2 drivers - or did not install them
> correctly.
>
>                        Vladimir Dergachev
>
> On Mon, 20 May 2002, Rett D. Walters wrote:
>
> > Aaview starts, but displays a blank black box.  If I select the Rage Video
> > Port, it says that TV In is not supported on the selected port.  Aaview
> also
> > appears to not support Changing between S-Video/Composite/Tuner like Xawtv
> > does (or maybe this is a limitation of the v4l driver), since the Laptop
> > does not have a tuner (just S-Video In) I wonder if it would work at all.
> >
> > The Video In port works fine under Windows XP, which detects a Phillips
> > Video Decoder (WDM) on the Rage 128 board.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Rett Walters
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Vladimir Dergachev [mailto:vo...@mi...]
> > Sent: Monday, May 20, 2002 2:04 AM
> > To: Rett D. Walters
> > Cc: gat...@li...
> > Subject: Re: [GATOS]Xawtv/KM issues (LONG)
> >
> >
> >
> > Does avview work ?
> >
> >                     Vladimir Dergachev
> >
> > On Sun, 19 May 2002, Rett D. Walters wrote:
> >
> > > Hello:
> > >
> > > I am having an issue with KM and Xawtv.  I am not sure what the issue
> > > is...  downloading and compiling km went good, make test loads modules
> > > into kernel successfully.  Upon starting Xawtv, I get the following
> > > messages:
> > >
> > > # xawtv -f xv
> > > This is xawtv-3.54, running on Linux/i686 (2.4.16-4RTW)

> > >
> > > I am using ATI.2 binaries, Xfree86 4.2.0, Kernel 2.4.16 Custom Build on
> > > Redhat 7.2, on IBM Thinkpad A20p, PIII 700, 512MB RAM.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Rett Walters
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________________________
> > > Hundreds of nodes, one monster rendering program.
> > > Now that's a super model! Visit http://clustering.foundries.sf.net/
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Gatos-devel mailing list
> > > Gat...@li...
> > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gatos-devel
> > >
> >
>
>
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>
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On 29 May 2002, Nathan A. Smith wrote:

> On Sun, 2002-05-26 at 12:55, Vladimir Dergachev wrote:
> >
> >
> > On 26 May 2002, Nathan A. Smith wrote:
> >
> > > Hi
> > >
> > > Title says it all.  I get a great picture with xawtv and I can change
> > > channels.  But, I get no sound.  I have mandrake 8.2 with a sblive
> > > soundcard.  I am using the latest kernel (with alsa 0.9) and I do have
> > > sound from my sblive.  I have installed everything from the gatos site
> > > and have glxgears running at about 60fps.  Please let me know how to
> > > troubleshoot this.  I   have tried to listen to the card via my sblive
> > > line-out option with no luck.  Thanks in advance,
> >
> > If you can try to connect video out from the card directly to the speakers
> > or headphones (instead of one of the inputs of your sound card) and adjust
> > "Volume" attribute in AVview's "Xv_Attributes" panel. If you are able to
> > get sound then it is an issue with your sound card. (And if I remember
> > correctly other people had problems with it too).
> >
> >                               Vladimir Dergachev
> Thanks for the reply,
>
> I got this working under my win98 partition (finally).  I have sound and
> everything.  So I know it is not a hardware setup problem.  It doesn't
> rule out a mixer setting problem or a software problem. I can't test the
> tv by itself as there is no external speaker out port on the 8500DV
> card.

There is a cable coming out the video card that plugs into your sound
card. It can be connected to any amplified speakers (it least it worked
so in my setup) with a male-to-male adaptor from Radio Shack (or is it
female-to-female ? I don't know the convention here). It should be
stereo-to-stereo..

                          Vladimir Dergachev

>
> Nasa
>
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Nasa
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________________________
> > >
> > > Don't miss the 2002 Sprint PCS Application Developer's Conference
> > > August 25-28 in Las Vegas -- http://devcon.sprintpcs.com/adp/index.cfm
> > >
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> > > Gat...@li...
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> > >
> >
> >
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> >
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>
>
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On Sun, 2002-05-26 at 12:55, Vladimir Dergachev wrote:
> 
> 
> On 26 May 2002, Nathan A. Smith wrote:
> 
> > Hi
> >
> > Title says it all.  I get a great picture with xawtv and I can change
> > channels.  But, I get no sound.  I have mandrake 8.2 with a sblive
> > soundcard.  I am using the latest kernel (with alsa 0.9) and I do have
> > sound from my sblive.  I have installed everything from the gatos site
> > and have glxgears running at about 60fps.  Please let me know how to
> > troubleshoot this.  I   have tried to listen to the card via my sblive
> > line-out option with no luck.  Thanks in advance,
> 
> If you can try to connect video out from the card directly to the speakers
> or headphones (instead of one of the inputs of your sound card) and adjust
> "Volume" attribute in AVview's "Xv_Attributes" panel. If you are able to
> get sound then it is an issue with your sound card. (And if I remember
> correctly other people had problems with it too).
> 
>                               Vladimir Dergachev
Thanks for the reply, 

I got this working under my win98 partition (finally).  I have sound and
everything.  So I know it is not a hardware setup problem.  It doesn't
rule out a mixer setting problem or a software problem. I can't test the
tv by itself as there is no external speaker out port on the 8500DV
card.

Nasa

> 
> >
> >
> > Nasa
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________________________
> >
> > Don't miss the 2002 Sprint PCS Application Developer's Conference
> > August 25-28 in Las Vegas -- http://devcon.sprintpcs.com/adp/index.cfm
> >
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> >
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________________________
> 
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Well, I am not sure how I could not have installed them properly, since I
manually replaced the files in my X11R6 dir with the ones in the ATI.2
Binary, and I also have tried the devel drivers (rebuilt my XFree) to get
TV-Out working (which does work, as per a previous message on this mail list
from me) if I had installed something incorrectly, I assume none of this
would have worked.  I can use XV with Xine with no issues.  I have double
checked and verified the install.

I was hoping someone else has had issues similiar to this....

Thanks,

Rett Walters


-----Original Message-----
From: gat...@li...
[mailto:gat...@li...]On Behalf Of Vladimir
Dergachev
Sent: Monday, May 20, 2002 10:14 PM
To: Rett D. Walters
Cc: gat...@li...
Subject: RE: [GATOS]Xawtv/KM issues (LONG)



Most likely you did not install ati.2 drivers - or did not install them
correctly.

                       Vladimir Dergachev

On Mon, 20 May 2002, Rett D. Walters wrote:

> Aaview starts, but displays a blank black box.  If I select the Rage Video
> Port, it says that TV In is not supported on the selected port.  Aaview
also
> appears to not support Changing between S-Video/Composite/Tuner like Xawtv
> does (or maybe this is a limitation of the v4l driver), since the Laptop
> does not have a tuner (just S-Video In) I wonder if it would work at all.
>
> The Video In port works fine under Windows XP, which detects a Phillips
> Video Decoder (WDM) on the Rage 128 board.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rett Walters
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vladimir Dergachev [mailto:vo...@mi...]
> Sent: Monday, May 20, 2002 2:04 AM
> To: Rett D. Walters
> Cc: gat...@li...
> Subject: Re: [GATOS]Xawtv/KM issues (LONG)
>
>
>
> Does avview work ?
>
>                     Vladimir Dergachev
>
> On Sun, 19 May 2002, Rett D. Walters wrote:
>
> > Hello:
> >
> > I am having an issue with KM and Xawtv.  I am not sure what the issue
> > is...  downloading and compiling km went good, make test loads modules
> > into kernel successfully.  Upon starting Xawtv, I get the following
> > messages:
> >
> > # xawtv -f xv
> > This is xawtv-3.54, running on Linux/i686 (2.4.16-4RTW)
> > can't open /dev/video0: No data available
> > v4l-conf had some trouble, trying to continue anyway
> > v4l2: open /dev/video0: No data available
> > v4l: open /dev/video0: No data available
> > no video grabber device available
> >
> > /var/log/messages shows the following info:
> >
> > May 19 20:23:22 is6974 kernel: Linux video capture interface: v1.00
> > May 19 20:23:52 is6974 kernel: Kmultimedia API module version alpha-2.0
> > loaded
> > May 19 20:23:52 is6974 kernel: Kmultimedia module version alpha-2.0
loaded
> > May 19 20:23:52 is6974 kernel: Page size is 4096
> > sizeof(bm_list_descriptor)=16 sizeof(KM_STRUCT)=248
> > May 19 20:23:52 is6974 kernel: km: using irq 11
> > May 19 20:23:52 is6974 kernel: PCI: Found IRQ 11 for device 01:00.0
> > May 19 20:23:52 is6974 kernel: PCI: Sharing IRQ 11 with 00:02.0
> > May 19 20:23:52 is6974 kernel: PCI: Sharing IRQ 11 with 00:05.0
> > May 19 20:23:52 is6974 kernel: Register aperture is 0xf0200000
0x00004000
> > May 19 20:23:52 is6974 kernel: kms variables: reg_aperture=0xe1915000
> > May 19 20:23:52 is6974 kernel: sizeof(kmfl_template)=56
> > sizeof(KM_FIELD)=28
> > May 19 20:23:52 is6974 kernel: Device ATI Technologies Inc Rage Mobility
> > M3 AGP
> > 2x 01:00.0 (0x1002:0x4c46) corresponds to /dev/video0
> > May 19 20:23:52 is6974 kernel: kms variables: reg_aperture=0xe1915000
> > May 19 20:24:03 is6974 modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module
> > char-major-226
> > May 19 20:24:03 is6974 modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module
> > char-major-226
> > May 19 20:24:03 is6974 kernel: [drm] AGP 0.99 on Intel 440BX @
0xf4000000
> > 64MB
> > May 19 20:24:03 is6974 kernel: [drm] Initialized r128 2.2.0 20010917 on
> > minor 0
> > May 19 20:24:03 is6974 kernel: km: no data is available until xawtv is
> > started
> > May 19 20:24:46 is6974 kernel: km: no data is available
> > until xawtv is started
> > May 19 20:31:34 is6974 last message repeated 3 times
> >
> > lsmod output:
> >
> > Module                  Size  Used by    Tainted: PF
> > snd-pcm-oss            36704   0  (autoclean)
> > snd-mixer-oss           8864   0  (autoclean) [snd-pcm-oss]
> > r128                   86360   1
> > km_drv                 23424   0
> > km_api                  2272   1  [km_drv]
> > videodev                4640   1  [km_drv]
> > parport_pc             16232   1  (autoclean)
> > lp                      6336   0  (autoclean)
> > parport                23648   1  (autoclean) [parport_pc lp]
> > agpgart                30816   3
> > vmnet                  18208   4
> > vmmon                  18420   0  (unused)
> > snd-seq-midi            3296   0  (unused)
> > snd-seq-midi-event      2976   0  [snd-seq-midi]
> > snd-seq                34508   0  [snd-seq-midi snd-seq-midi-event]
> > snd-cs46xx             69664   0
> > snd-pcm                49504   0  [snd-pcm-oss snd-cs46xx]
> > snd-timer               9888   0  [snd-seq snd-pcm]
> > snd-ac97-codec         22656   0  [snd-cs46xx]
> > snd-rawmidi            12320   0  [snd-seq-midi snd-cs46xx]
> > snd-seq-device          3948   0  [snd-seq-midi snd-seq snd-rawmidi]
> > snd                    25032   0  [snd-pcm-oss snd-mixer-oss
snd-seq-midi
> > snd-seq-midi-event snd-seq snd-cs46xx snd-pcm snd-timer snd-ac97-codec
> > snd-rawmidi snd-seq-device]
> > soundcore               3556   5  [snd]
> > 3c59x                  26120   1
> > ds                      6720   4
> > yenta_socket            8832   2
> > pcmcia_core            40768   0  [ds yenta_socket]
> > autofs                  9540   0  (autoclean) (unused)
> > ide-cd                 26752   0  (autoclean)
> > cdrom                  28128   0  (autoclean) [ide-cd]
> > usb-uhci               21796   0  (unused)
> > usbcore                50144   1  [usb-uhci]
> > rtc                     5720   0  (autoclean)
> >
> >
> >
> > I am using ATI.2 binaries, Xfree86 4.2.0, Kernel 2.4.16 Custom Build on
> > Redhat 7.2, on IBM Thinkpad A20p, PIII 700, 512MB RAM.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Rett Walters
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________________________
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Hi!
I tried to use the dual head of my R 8500 but i can't it working :(
I just copy/paste some part of the original XF86Config sent to this ML,
and resolved the stuff with drm Symbol by loading the radeon module
(from latest CVS) and enabling "dri" (uncomment the Load "dri" line).
All seems to be ok exept that the X server crashes with no reason
(sig11). The only "bad" thing it says is that dual head with dri is not
supported, so dri is disabled... I don't mind as i got no 3D accel with
8500 ( :/ ). Anyone knows what to do?


 Marc

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R C scribbled:

> On Thu, May 23, 2002 at 05:17:40PM -0400, deek wrote:
> 
>>more on Tvout...
>>
>>attached is a more accurate patch ( noting Vladimir's comments )
>>
>>notes:
>>- VBEmode setting seems to fail in for initial xxxxxModeInit ()
>>- X is only usable if I set a default resolution of 1024x768x16
>>  ( which does not correctly init the Tv ) only after the
>>  next comment does the Tv screen init correctly for X
>>- ctrl+alt+KP_PLUS/MINUS seems to init the Tv and CRT correctly.
>> ** perhaps delaying VBEinit until after X has started ? **
>>- avview invariably hoses my display:
>>  the Tv turns solid Blue and the CRT goes into power saving
>>- The "Tv out standard query" fails every time... I don't see this
>>  as a real big issue, except that it does not work.
>>- I've reserved my logs of various tests for those whom might
>>  request them... they aren't very detailed
>>- Tested on Radeon AIW QD
>>
> 
> Odd. On my Radeon AIW QD, nothing is displayed with this patch.  If the
> TV is connected at boot, the machine will lock on a mode switch or exit,
> no usable log entries.


Due to extreme time limitations I was ( am ) not able to allocate
anymore [time] to this issue.
However, the only way I could make this work was:

- change default mode to 1024x768x16
- turn off sys
- attach Tv
- boot sys
- start X ( nothing is displayed to the Tv at this point )
- change mode to 640x480 ( ctrl+alt+KP_PLUS/MINUS )
   which defaulted to a viewport size equal to that of
   the default res. At this point, both the Tv and the CRT are active

switching modes hereafter or paging to console would render the system
visually unusable, while (utilizing, failing, personal memory capacity)
paging to a console and logging in to init 6, without anything useful
being displayed to either the Tv or the CRT, would prove to be
effective.

> 
> If not, the TV will be detected, will flicker one line, then stay dead,
> and the monitor will only work.
> 
> Using the VESA driver, the TV works correctly, but Xv is not possible.
> 
> When the TV is connected at boot, I get a flicker during X startup, as
> if trying to sync, then both monitor and TV are blank.  I had this setup 
> working with the 4.1.0 testing branch; I'll poke at it more this evening.
> 
> R C
> 


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There is one known issue with drm-kernel - (or more precisely X) which can
cause segfaults or lockups when executing certain GL code. Still looking
to get it fixed. This bug does not happen with quake though.

                                Vladimir Dergachev

On Tue, 28 May 2002, [iso-8859-2] "Ol=E1h G=E1bor"  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> > > > I get the same results with or without Gatos ATI.2 drivers, so I
> > suspect
> > > > RedHat 7.3 is somewhat broken.
>
> I use SuSE 7.3 on my laptop with an ATI Radeon Mobility-P, and I also
> encounter some problems with the drm-kernel module. Without drm-kernel,
> the ati.2 drivers seem to be more stable than my Nvidia on the desktop
> machine, and produce a wonderful picture. However, when I replace the
> radeon.o with the module compiled with the drm-kernel, and start X, it
> seems to be rather unstable. With the latest experimental package from
> sourceforge, I can play quake3 in 1280*1024 smoothly, piece of cake.
> mplayer works ok as well. After a time, it locks up X, not the whole
> machine, I can ssh and reboot.
>
> I have recently installed Mandrake 8.2. XFree4.2 crashed all the time,
> it was absolutely useless out of the box. ati.2 drivers solved the
> problem.
>
> It may not depend on your distro, rather the experimental code, that is
> in fact works, but remember, experimental. Do not think I had no
> problems with NVIDIA. It did lock up the WHOLE OS, it crashed the X
> server many times. The newsest drivers seem to be somewhat more stable,
> but with less performance. With ati.2/drm-kernel, on my laptop glxgears
> showed me 2x FPS than on my desktop machince with a gf2. It does not
> mean too much, except the power of ati.2/drm-kernel, and the possibility
> to play those 3d games, that need this power.
>
> Cheers
> Gabor
>
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Hi,

> > > I get the same results with or without Gatos ATI.2 drivers, so I
> suspect
> > > RedHat 7.3 is somewhat broken.

I use SuSE 7.3 on my laptop with an ATI Radeon Mobility-P, and I also
encounter some problems with the drm-kernel module. Without drm-kernel,
the ati.2 drivers seem to be more stable than my Nvidia on the desktop
machine, and produce a wonderful picture. However, when I replace the
radeon.o with the module compiled with the drm-kernel, and start X, it
seems to be rather unstable. With the latest experimental package from
sourceforge, I can play quake3 in 1280*1024 smoothly, piece of cake.
mplayer works ok as well. After a time, it locks up X, not the whole
machine, I can ssh and reboot. 

I have recently installed Mandrake 8.2. XFree4.2 crashed all the time,
it was absolutely useless out of the box. ati.2 drivers solved the
problem.

It may not depend on your distro, rather the experimental code, that is
in fact works, but remember, experimental. Do not think I had no
problems with NVIDIA. It did lock up the WHOLE OS, it crashed the X
server many times. The newsest drivers seem to be somewhat more stable,
but with less performance. With ati.2/drm-kernel, on my laptop glxgears
showed me 2x FPS than on my desktop machince with a gf2. It does not
mean too much, except the power of ati.2/drm-kernel, and the possibility
to play those 3d games, that need this power.

Cheers
Gabor

A redhat distribution broken out of the box?  No way, that never happens
;) heh heh heh

Ted

> > I get the same results with or without Gatos ATI.2 drivers, so I
suspect
> > RedHat 7.3 is somewhat broken.
> >
> >          Regards,
> > Ivo S=E4rak.
> >
> >
> > At 10:41 22.05.02 -0500, you wrote:
> > >I have RH 7.3 intalled on a P4 system (Gigabyte 8IRXP with Intel
845)
> > >with ATI All-In-Wonder 128 Pro (Rage 128) video.
> > >
> > >I have been trying a number of combinations and have reinstalled
> several
> > >times in attempts to get normal use (editing, Gimp, etc.), xawtv
(or
> > >equivalent), and xine (or equivalent) all working under KDE 3
> > >
> > >My questions are:
> > >----------------------
> > >Is it necessary to install the GATOS drivers, etc. to get this
working,
> > >----------------------
> > >Is it possible to using the ATI AIW 128 Pro,  RH 7.3 system, KDE
> desktop,
> > >and Gatos BINARIES to run  xawtv (or equiv) and xine (or equiv)?
> > >----------------------
> > >
> > >I stress BINARIES because I have to stay as close to stock RH 7.3
> > >(up2date, etc.)
> > >and can not afford to become a big snowball rolling down the
slippery
> slope of
> > >building and maintaining my own kernel, xfree, etc.
> > >If I have to do that, I'd probably be better off throwing the card
away
> > >and getting something else.
> > >
> > >My results thus far have been:
> > >
> > >With stock RH 7.3, which has DRI enabled:
> > >run xine, select (unencrypted) mpg file; X crashes, restarts and
> returns
> > >me to login.
> > >run xawtv; doesn't run, no /dev/video0
> > >
> > >With stock RH 7.3 and DRI disabled:
> > >run xine, select unencrypted) mpg file, play; no crashes, plays
fine
> (vol
> > >low but it plays)
> > >run xawtv; doesn't run, no /dev/video0
> > >
> > >Installed (copied) GATOS ati.2 binaries from
ATI-4.2.0-11.386.tar.gz
> and
> > >DRI disabled:
> > >run xine, select file; machine locks up.
> > >run xawtv; runs fine.
> > >
> > >Installed (copied) GATOS ati.2 binaries from
ATI-4.2.0-11.386.tar.gz
> and
> > >DRI enabled:
> > >run xine, select file; machine locks up.
> > >run xawtv; runs fine.
> > >
> > >With GATOS ati.2 binaries installed, DRI disabled, and
> > >GATOS drm-kernel binary installed/copied (ie did not recompile):
> > >run xine, select file; machine locks up.
> > >run ogle, select disc; machine locks up.
> > >run xawtv; runs fine.
> > >
> > >With GATOS ati.2 binaries installed, DRI enabled, and
> > >GATOS drm-kernel binary installed/copied (ie did not recompile):
> > >run xine, select file; machine locks up.
> > >run ogle, select disc; machine locks up.
> > >run xawtv; runs fine.
> > >
> > >In all cases, glxgears runs fine.
> > >
> > >In all cases, all other use so far (Gimp, etc.) work just fine.
> > >
> > >I also tried the above with and without libdvdcss, libdvdread rpms
> > >installed and got the same results.
> > >
> > >This is very, very frustrating. I'm trying to support a "windows
> wienie"
> > >with a desire to come into the light and this is not instilling any
> > >confidence.
> > >
> > >I could have purchased half-a-dozen video/tv cards and/or software
for
> > >the time I've wasted.
> > >
> > >R.Parr
> > >Temporal Arts
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > >
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On 26 May 2002, Nathan A. Smith wrote:

> Hi
>
> Title says it all.  I get a great picture with xawtv and I can change
> channels.  But, I get no sound.  I have mandrake 8.2 with a sblive
> soundcard.  I am using the latest kernel (with alsa 0.9) and I do have
> sound from my sblive.  I have installed everything from the gatos site
> and have glxgears running at about 60fps.  Please let me know how to
> troubleshoot this.  I   have tried to listen to the card via my sblive
> line-out option with no luck.  Thanks in advance,

If you can try to connect video out from the card directly to the speakers
or headphones (instead of one of the inputs of your sound card) and adjust
"Volume" attribute in AVview's "Xv_Attributes" panel. If you are able to
get sound then it is an issue with your sound card. (And if I remember
correctly other people had problems with it too).

                              Vladimir Dergachev

>
>
> Nasa
>
>
>
>
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Hi

Title says it all.  I get a great picture with xawtv and I can change
channels.  But, I get no sound.  I have mandrake 8.2 with a sblive
soundcard.  I am using the latest kernel (with alsa 0.9) and I do have
sound from my sblive.  I have installed everything from the gatos site
and have glxgears running at about 60fps.  Please let me know how to
troubleshoot this.  I   have tried to listen to the card via my sblive
line-out option with no luck.  Thanks in advance, 


Nasa

On Sun, 26 May 2002, Nick Kurshev wrote:

> > Hope this clears up some things - if you have more questions please ask.
> Greate explanation!
> Only thing which is still unclear it's what will be happened with RAM
> on 4CPU system with for example + 5-6 bus mastering devices that is regular

Well here is what happens:

(cpu+cpu+cpu+cpu)<-->(agp bridge) <--> RAM
                          ^
                          |
                          v

                      video card   <--> video RAM

> practice: DVD dma transfer into RAM + video dma transfer from RAM + audio
> DMA transfer from RAM + simultaneous access from 4 cpus (or ever from UP system).

agp bridge will arbitrate access to video card and RAM, so when cpu's are
accessing video card DMA transfer is "paused". I.e. video card DMA engine
and cpus compete for access to agp bridge - which was designed to handle
such things gracefully.

What causes the lockups is when GUI engine and DMA engine inside the video
card try to access video RAM simultaneously.

> IMHO ATI's card have the same DIMM or DDR as ordinal RAM.
> Btw, in many cases we have single 256MB chip of RAM.
> So I prone to decide that such behaviour of ATI's card is rather flaw of design.

Well, rumor has it that high-end hardware (like SGI) does allow
independent access of framebuffer and 3d accelerator.. But it was designed
with multiuser environment in mind from the start.

> Btw, if everything what is written above is truth then we should have card's lockups
> with my drivers on SMP systems (they provide direct access to video memory). But I have
> no such reports.

I am not sure what drivers we are talking about.. But keep in mind that
SMP on xf86 is designed to be "transparent" -i.e. the hard work of
arbitrating access by cpu's to RAM, AGP and PCI buses are done by the
hardware.

              best

                   Vladimir Dergachev

Hello, Vladimir!

On Sat, 25 May 2002 06:15:37 -0400 (EDT) you wrote:

> 
> 
> On Sat, 25 May 2002, Nick Kurshev wrote:
> 
> > Well - could you explain me common logic of busmatsering, please!
> > I have no goals to know of any proprietary closed ATI's secrets - just
> > for further development.
> > 1. Why memcpy and dma_copy won't work simultaneously?
> > (IMHO any AGP slot has much widely bandwidth than these processes can give)
> > 2. Is there something like AUTOSTOP of dma transfer?
> >
> > Please look at this example:
> > We have de(en)coded frame during 15ms and have started transfering
> > if dma_transfer will take 17ms then we have 2 ms of delay (in case of IRQ)
> > These delays will accumulate and after decoding 20 frames we will have
> > 40 ms of delay between decoded frame and still transfered. IMHO only way
> > to sync these processes is stop one from them that is nonproductive delay.
> 
> This really depends on how you implement things. With km-like behaviour, I
> would have done this: wait on descriptor to become available for writing
> (i.e. irq about dma completion has arrived), then write data for the
> latest decoded frame.
> 
> How DMA works:
> 
> 1. The first thing is to get an idea about how chips are made.
> You likely know they are made of silicon. By adding small quantities of
> different elements you can turn it into p or n conducting areas, isolator,
> or conductor. This way this is usually done is by masking parts of the
> chip and exposing the rest to whatever chemical/mechanical transformation
> you want to do to the chip. The result is that the chip consists of many
> small portions that each perform a specific function.
> 
> Digital chips are designed by assuming there are only two significant
> events: when a voltage is greater than a certain limit and smaller than a
> certain limit. Consequently, the circuit is designed in such a way so that
> internal voltages are either smaller than a predefined limit or greater
> than a predefined limit. Think of an amplifier (with a microphone) with
> the volume turned all the way up: if you cover the microphone it will be
> quiet if you open it you'll hear piercing noise. This is a typical example
> of a digital system.
> 
> Now a valid question would be: but why can't the voltage be something in
> between, neither 0 nor 1 ? The answer is yes, it can, and this phenomenon
> is called metastability. The digital systems are designed in such a way as
> to make it very rare - but widely held opinion is that it is impossible to
> design a chip which has no metastable states. To continue the analogy with
> the amplifier, it is sometimes possible to speak into it quietly enough so
> that you do get your amplified voice in the output - but to achieve this
> is rather hard.
> 
> Also, often only some states of elements are valid and the circuit will
> not work when it is in invalid state.
> 
> The basic method of working around these two problems is to have a RESET
> line that, when raised (or lowered, depending on the hardware) will bring
> the chip to a known valid state.
> 
> In complex chips (like ATI graphics controllers) there are several RESET
> lines that control different areas of the chip.
> 
> "3d engine lockup" means that the area of the chip that is responsible for
> 3d acceleration has reached invalid or metastable state and is no longer
> processing commands from fifo. The only way out of this is reset.
> 
> Same goes for "2d engine" and so on.
> 
> 2. Typically arbitrating access is expensive - both in terms of transistor
> count and perfomance. So, a lot of hardware does not arbitrate access and
> relegates this to the software. For example, mach64 chips cannot have both
> cpu accessing video memory and internal chip hardware (i.e. 2d or 3d
> engine) accessing video memory as well.
> 
> 3. A bus (PCI bus in particular) is a description of how different systems
> can communicate with each other. It usually specifies that N number of
> conductors are used and that the voltage and current are manipulated in
> certain ways to perform transfer of data. A bus can be point-to-point
> in which only two devices are connected and when one talks the other
> listens, or shared (like PCI bus).
> 
> Shared buses have several devices connected to the same lines. In this
> case it is important that different devices do not try to access the bus
> at the same time - or the data will get scrambled. Typically, the solution
> is to have the notion of "master" - the devices that tells everyone else
> what to do when and "slaves" - devices that wait for signal from the
> master to perform several operation.
> 
> A single master bus has only single master.
> 
> A multiple master bus can have several devices connected which can act as
> a master. In this case they need to agree who will actually be the master
> at any given point in time.
> 
> In PC systems CPU acts as a master for PCI bus when you do memcpy
> transaction. However, when CPU is not using PCI bus, other devices (like
> graphics controllers) can act as a master - this is typically used to
> transfer data from main memory. The latter is called "busmastering"
> and DMA - direct memory access (by the device, i.e. without CPU).
> 
> 4. In mach64 controller you cannot access data in video memory and
> perform GUI operation at the same time. Thus if you are transferring data
> either with memcpy or DMA your GUI engine *must* *be* *idle* - or the card
> will lockup.
> 
> You can access non-FIFOed registers though - this way you can check on
> status of DMA transfer.
> 
> Hope this clears up some things - if you have more questions please ask.
Greate explanation!
Only thing which is still unclear it's what will be happened with RAM
on 4CPU system with for example + 5-6 bus mastering devices that is regular
practice: DVD dma transfer into RAM + video dma transfer from RAM + audio
DMA transfer from RAM + simultaneous access from 4 cpus (or ever from UP system).
IMHO ATI's card have the same DIMM or DDR as ordinal RAM.
Btw, in many cases we have single 256MB chip of RAM.
So I prone to decide that such behaviour of ATI's card is rather flaw of design.
Btw, if everything what is written above is truth then we should have card's lockups
with my drivers on SMP systems (they provide direct access to video memory). But I have
no such reports.
> 
>                               Vladimir Dergachev
[snip]

Best regards! Nick

On 25 May 2002, Julian J.M. wrote:

> Hi,
>
> 	I have to buy a new card soon. My current one has just died. I was
> thinking of a Radeon 8500 but I see there is currently no 3D support. Is
> anyone working on it? Is there an estimated time for it?
>
> 	I wouldn't like buying another nVidia card anymore, but until there is
> a working driver for this radeon, it seems it's the only choice, isn't
> it?

This depends on what you want to do with the card. All-in-Wonder Radeon is
well supported. AIW 7500 should work ok, except for a problem with tuner -
this is being worked on.

Also try asking about 8500 on DRI mailing list - as that is the forum for
3d drivers.

                             Vladimir Dergachev

>
> 	Thanks
> 		Julian.
>
>
>
>
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Hi,

	I have to buy a new card soon. My current one has just died. I was
thinking of a Radeon 8500 but I see there is currently no 3D support. Is
anyone working on it? Is there an estimated time for it?

	I wouldn't like buying another nVidia card anymore, but until there is
a working driver for this radeon, it seems it's the only choice, isn't
it?

	Thanks
		Julian.

On Sat, 25 May 2002, [iso-8859-1] Herv=E9 wrote:

> Le Sat, May 25, 2002 at 10:02:27AM -0400, Vladimir Dergachev =E9crivait:
> >
> >
> > On Sat, 25 May 2002, [iso-8859-1] Herv=E9 wrote:
> >
> > > This happens to me too. (same config but with Duron 800, MSI KT7 & Vi=
ewsonic
> > > G90f).
> > >
> > > As X starts normally afterall, I did not worried. Maybe some
> > > initialisation code or it comes from agpgart activation ?
> >
> > If you are using ati.2 binaries then this is likely caused by i2c code
> > waiting to timeout.
> >
> I tried with and without i2c modules and reloaded radeon.o between each
> attempt but it stills happens.
>
> Anyway, what are i2c modules useful for if I don't use video and TV
> extensions ? (They don't seem to help for opengl acceleration anyway).

The driver does not know that. Also the code I was refering to is in the
driver itself, not i2c chips drivers.


                               Vladimir Dergachev

Le Sat, May 25, 2002 at 10:02:27AM -0400, Vladimir Dergachev écrivait:
> 
> 
> On Sat, 25 May 2002, [iso-8859-1] Hervé wrote:
> 
> > This happens to me too. (same config but with Duron 800, MSI KT7 & Viewsonic
> > G90f).
> >
> > As X starts normally afterall, I did not worried. Maybe some
> > initialisation code or it comes from agpgart activation ?
> 
> If you are using ati.2 binaries then this is likely caused by i2c code
> waiting to timeout.
> 
I tried with and without i2c modules and reloaded radeon.o between each
attempt but it stills happens.

Anyway, what are i2c modules useful for if I don't use video and TV
extensions ? (They don't seem to help for opengl acceleration anyway).

--
Hervé

>                               Vladimir Dergachev
> 
> >
> > --
> > Hervé
> >
> > Le Sat, May 25, 2002 at 01:06:33PM +0200, Dunric écrivait:
> > > System: XFree86 4.2.0 (standard or replaced by latest ati.2 drivers) ,
> > > linux kernel  2.4.18
> > >              CPU Pentium III, MB w/ i815 chipset, monitor LG Flatron
> > > 795FT+ hsync(30-96)                       vsync(50-160)
> > >
> > > Problem: Whenever X starts it suspends monitor in "StandBy mode" for a
> > > few seconds(1-2) than it returns to normal and all works ok. But this
> > > sleep/restore steps are very annoying.
> > > I've tried many available settings in XFree86-4 config file but w/o success.
> > >
> > > Please has anybody some idea what's wrong ? I tried to turn off DDC but
> > > it didnt work :-(
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance for help
> > >
> > >
> > > I. Borg
> > >
> > >
> > >
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