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    Sorry guys....I am new here. Dose any body know what is

Video Blitter and what is BLT??   I need to know that

because I want to scale multiple images to differet sizes
 
and show them on the screen in my application. In 

tradition, Video Overlay can only scale and show 'one image'

at one time. (of course, you can scale images to different sizes

and composite them into 'one image' and use Video Overlay

to show the 'one' image.)

   I need speed. So I need display card to help those 'scale'

and 'composite' jobs. How can I use these features in my

gtk/X programs? Any docs or example source codes are welcome.

Thanks guys. and sorry for my lousy english.    Joe 

On Wed, 28 Jul 2004, Nicolas Souchu wrote:

> On Wed, Jul 28, 2004 at 06:38:00AM -0400, Vladimir Dergachev wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 28 Jul 2004, Nicolas Souchu wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I have a AIW 128 and running xawdecode on top of it with km gives me
>>> (km 0.5.0 and linux 2.4.26)
>>>
>>> v4l: cant't open /dev/vbi for reading, No such device
>>> ioctl VIDIOCGCHAN: Invalid argument
>
> No idea about "ioctl VIDIOCGCHAN: Invalid argument"? It even happens
> when -novbi is used with xawdecode. This prevents from using v4l1.

This ioctl is meant for changing channels by v4l-only devices. km is an 
auxiliary device only - it does not change channels, this is done via Xv
extension.

>
>>>
>>> Is the VBI interface supported? (I had to force v4l1 'cause v4l2
>>> seems not supported, true?)
>>>
>>> Note that the /dev/vbi dev file exists and points to /dev/vbi0.
>>>
>>> Otherwise, avview and xawtv are ok.
>>
>> VBI support has not been implemented for Rage 128 cards.. Feel free to
>> give a try porting it from Radeon driver..
>
> I should know what vbi is first :) Any spec about how the R128 HW has to
> be handled or code to copy?

Take a look at Radeon VBI implementation first. All the information you 
need is in the driver, one just needs to compile it together.

VBI is used for closed captioning.

                       best

                        Vladimir Dergachev

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On Wed, Jul 28, 2004 at 06:38:00AM -0400, Vladimir Dergachev wrote:
> 
> 
> On Wed, 28 Jul 2004, Nicolas Souchu wrote:
> 
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I have a AIW 128 and running xawdecode on top of it with km gives me
> > (km 0.5.0 and linux 2.4.26)
> >
> > v4l: cant't open /dev/vbi for reading, No such device
> > ioctl VIDIOCGCHAN: Invalid argument

No idea about "ioctl VIDIOCGCHAN: Invalid argument"? It even happens
when -novbi is used with xawdecode. This prevents from using v4l1.

> >
> > Is the VBI interface supported? (I had to force v4l1 'cause v4l2
> > seems not supported, true?)
> >
> > Note that the /dev/vbi dev file exists and points to /dev/vbi0.
> >
> > Otherwise, avview and xawtv are ok.
> 
> VBI support has not been implemented for Rage 128 cards.. Feel free to 
> give a try porting it from Radeon driver..

I should know what vbi is first :) Any spec about how the R128 HW has to
be handled or code to copy?

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On Wed, 28 Jul 2004, Nicolas Souchu wrote:

>
> Hi,
>
> I have a AIW 128 and running xawdecode on top of it with km gives me
> (km 0.5.0 and linux 2.4.26)
>
> v4l: cant't open /dev/vbi for reading, No such device
> ioctl VIDIOCGCHAN: Invalid argument
>
> Is the VBI interface supported? (I had to force v4l1 'cause v4l2
> seems not supported, true?)
>
> Note that the /dev/vbi dev file exists and points to /dev/vbi0.
>
> Otherwise, avview and xawtv are ok.

VBI support has not been implemented for Rage 128 cards.. Feel free to 
give a try porting it from Radeon driver..

                       best

                           Vladimir Dergachev

>
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Hi,

I have a AIW 128 and running xawdecode on top of it with km gives me
(km 0.5.0 and linux 2.4.26)

v4l: cant't open /dev/vbi for reading, No such device
ioctl VIDIOCGCHAN: Invalid argument

Is the VBI interface supported? (I had to force v4l1 'cause v4l2
seems not supported, true?)

Note that the /dev/vbi dev file exists and points to /dev/vbi0.

Otherwise, avview and xawtv are ok.

Nicholas

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Hello all,

I have a Power Macintosh 5500 model that comes with an onboard Rage II
chip (264GT), with a SAA7196 video decoder/scaler. According to
technical specifications the video i/o addon board is connected to the
ATI chip. What is the chance of the gatos ati.2 or km drivers being able
to control/activate that? A driver for similar, PCI based controller is
already in the kernel tree, but it will not work since it expects to
find the video i/o on the PCI bus itself.
Will it be possible to "weld" the two drivers together to enable the
video i/o on the PowerMac?

Thanks in advance,

Gil Bahat,
System Administrator,
Imperva(tm) Ltd.

On Tue, Jul 27, 2004 at 12:04:06AM -0400, Vladimir Dergachev wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Jul 2004, Jay R. Ashworth wrote:
> > Desperate plea; I'm 19 mailing lists deep on MythTV:
> >
> > Does anyone have a version of theater out already compiled that might
> > work with Suse9.1/2.6.5 and this silly-ass XFree SuSE has saddled me
> > with:
> >
> > XFree86 Version 4.3.99.902 (4.4.0 RC 2)
> 
> This is 4.4.0 RC 2 - current theatre_out branch of ati.2 drivers is 
> against XFree86 4.3.0. You would have to port the code or wait for someone 
> else to do it..

See?  That's why 4.3.99 is a miserable name for 4.4.0rc2.  Even *I*
don't always get it.

Is it practical to *downgrade* SuSE 9.1 to 4.3.current?  I'm fairly new
to SuSE.

Cheers,
-- jra
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On Mon, 26 Jul 2004, Jay R. Ashworth wrote:

> Desperate plea; I'm 19 mailing lists deep on MythTV:
>
> Does anyone have a version of theater out already compiled that might
> work with Suse9.1/2.6.5 and this silly-ass XFree SuSE has saddled me
> with:
>
> XFree86 Version 4.3.99.902 (4.4.0 RC 2)

This is 4.4.0 RC 2 - current theatre_out branch of ati.2 drivers is 
against XFree86 4.3.0. You would have to port the code or wait for someone 
else to do it..

                        best

                          Vladimir Dergachev


> Release Date: 18 December 2003
> X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0, Release 6.6
> Build Operating System: SuSE Linux [ELF] SuSE
> Current Operating System: Linux potato 2.6.5-7.95-default #1 Thu Jul 1 15:23:45
> UTC 2004 i686
> Build Date: 15 July 2004
> Changelog Date: 29 February 2004
>
> I will be forever in someone's debt; virtual beer will be forthcoming.
> If you're close enough, I'll buy you a real beer.  :-)
>
> FYI, it's fine in TV_out from hard boot through X server start; I just
> can't figure out how to keep it from blowing away when the rez changes.
>
> Cheers,
> -- jra
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Desperate plea; I'm 19 mailing lists deep on MythTV:

Does anyone have a version of theater out already compiled that might
work with Suse9.1/2.6.5 and this silly-ass XFree SuSE has saddled me
with:

XFree86 Version 4.3.99.902 (4.4.0 RC 2)
Release Date: 18 December 2003
X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0, Release 6.6
Build Operating System: SuSE Linux [ELF] SuSE
Current Operating System: Linux potato 2.6.5-7.95-default #1 Thu Jul 1 15:23:45
UTC 2004 i686
Build Date: 15 July 2004
Changelog Date: 29 February 2004

I will be forever in someone's debt; virtual beer will be forthcoming.
If you're close enough, I'll buy you a real beer.  :-)

FYI, it's fine in TV_out from hard boot through X server start; I just
can't figure out how to keep it from blowing away when the rez changes.

Cheers,
-- jra
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Ashworth & Associates        The Things I Think                        '87 e24
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	but if God merely wanted us to smell the flowers, he wouldn't 
	have invented a 3GHz microprocessor and a 3D graphics board."
					-- Luke Girardi

On Sat, 24 Jul 2004, Job Bob wrote:

> Hi. Can anyone tell me if drm-kernel is compilable for
> kernel 2.6 or when will it be ready for kernel 2.6? I
> am able to build ati.4.4.0 and km but not drm-kernel
> (I see that tq_struct is used in drmP.h which should
> have been deprecated since kernel 2.5).

No, drm-kernel is not compatible with 2.6 kernels.

There are no plans to port it to 2.6 because the DRM driver distributed 
with 2.6 kernels has been modified to support reprogramming Radeon memory 
controller, however this requires support in ati.2/ati.4.4.0 drivers which 
has not been implemented yet.

                    best

                      Vladimir Dergachev

>                                  Thanks for any help
>                                     Yale
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Hi. Can anyone tell me if drm-kernel is compilable for
kernel 2.6 or when will it be ready for kernel 2.6? I
am able to build ati.4.4.0 and km but not drm-kernel
(I see that tq_struct is used in drmP.h which should
have been deprecated since kernel 2.5).
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Andrea Borgia wrote:
> Przemyslaw Rudy wrote:
> 
>>> P.S.: out of curiosity, do the official drivers work for you wrt tvout?
>>
>> What "official" drivers do you mean?
>> If you mean the one that come with RH9 then atitvout works fine with 
>> framebuffer (no X) and works under X but then I notice a mouse problem.
> 
> 
> I mean the ones released by ATI as fglrx: I couldn't get them the do 
> proper tv sync! Mind you, the hw is fine since it is working ok under 
> XP, again with ATI's drivers in that case too (obviously).
> 
> BR,
> Andrea.
> 
OK, I know why I did not check them, they are listed as drivers for 
radeon 8500-9800 only, whilst my one is 7500.

federico ulivi wrote:


> ati.2 driver did not seem to do the trick. There's still something
> that escapes me but I'm having an hard time finding it since I don't have
> an ATI-equipped laptop pc. Maybe I will manage to borrow one soon and
> I will do some deep investigation.

Well, by pure chance this laptop happens to have an onboard Radeon
Mobility M9+ so I am offering help.


> Coming to your other question, ati.2 is currently to be compiled with xfree86
> 4.3 sources. No recompilation of the whole xfree86 is needed, though.

Ah-ha, that's good.


> because you have to configure xfree86 sources: this invariably fails
> for me whenever I have to do it... :(

Wouldn't it be enough, for example, just to unpack debian's own sources?
  They're already configured for automated building.


BR,
Andrea.

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Przemyslaw Rudy wrote:

>> P.S.: out of curiosity, do the official drivers work for you wrt tvout?
> What "official" drivers do you mean?
> If you mean the one that come with RH9 then atitvout works fine with 
> framebuffer (no X) and works under X but then I notice a mouse problem.

I mean the ones released by ATI as fglrx: I couldn't get them the do 
proper tv sync! Mind you, the hw is fine since it is working ok under 
XP, again with ATI's drivers in that case too (obviously).

BR,
Andrea.

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A: Top-posting.
Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail?

Hi everyone,

if you are interested I have a tool to dump tv output registers under
windows. But, so far, copying values from windows driver to my
ati.2 driver did not seem to do the trick. There's still something
that escapes me but I'm having an hard time finding it since I don't have
an ATI-equipped laptop pc. Maybe I will manage to borrow one soon and
I will do some deep investigation.
Coming to your other question, ati.2 is currently to be compiled with xfree86
4.3 sources. No recompilation of the whole xfree86 is needed, though.
I currently use Mandrake 9.1 for testing and it works with no problem.
Be warned that you might encounter a bit of trouble at the beginning
because you have to configure xfree86 sources: this invariably fails
for me whenever I have to do it... :(

Bye,
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http://utenti.lycos.it/fulivi



----- Original Message -----
From: Andrea Borgia <bo...@cs...>
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 16:53:04 +0200 (CEST)
To: gat...@li...
Subject: Re: [GATOS]atitvout mouse event

> Przemyslaw Rudy wrote:
> 
> 
> > I test all the changes of tvout branch for Federico regarding M7. TVout
> > is activated as expected when I switch the resolution but I&#65533;m still out
> > of sync then.
> > I have all the reg. dumps if you are interested in them.
> 
> More than the dumps themselves, I would like a tool to generate them
> under XP, so that we can compare the data between M7 and M9.
> 
> Also, what does it take to test Federico's tvout? I am running
> Debian/testing so X is fairly up-to-date and, ideally, I would like a
> solution involving the simple drop-in replacement of files, rather than
> a full rebuild of the whole she-bang.
> 
> BR,
> Andrea.
> 
> P.S.: out of curiosity, do the official drivers work for you wrt tvout?
> 
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> 
> 
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Andrea Borgia wrote:
> Przemyslaw Rudy wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>>I test all the changes of tvout branch for Federico regarding M7. TVout
>>is activated as expected when I switch the resolution but I?m still out
>>of sync then.
>>I have all the reg. dumps if you are interested in them.
> 
> 
> More than the dumps themselves, I would like a tool to generate them
> under XP, so that we can compare the data between M7 and M9.
Ask Federico for them.

> 
> Also, what does it take to test Federico's tvout? I am running
> Debian/testing so X is fairly up-to-date and, ideally, I would like a
> solution involving the simple drop-in replacement of files, rather than
> a full rebuild of the whole she-bang.
It is a disadventage indeed that to use tvout branch X must be compiled. 
I'm using RH9, X compilation went without any problems (just a bit of 
time). It was enough to rename original /etc/X11 and /usr/
X11R6 and use links to swtich between original X and new compiled one.

> 
> BR,
> Andrea.
> 
> P.S.: out of curiosity, do the official drivers work for you wrt tvout?
> 
What "official" drivers do you mean?
If you mean the one that come with RH9 then atitvout works fine with 
framebuffer (no X) and works under X but then I notice a mouse problem.

Przemyslaw Rudy wrote:


> I test all the changes of tvout branch for Federico regarding M7. TVout
> is activated as expected when I switch the resolution but I=92m still o=
ut
> of sync then.
> I have all the reg. dumps if you are interested in them.

More than the dumps themselves, I would like a tool to generate them
under XP, so that we can compare the data between M7 and M9.

Also, what does it take to test Federico's tvout? I am running
Debian/testing so X is fairly up-to-date and, ideally, I would like a
solution involving the simple drop-in replacement of files, rather than
a full rebuild of the whole she-bang.

BR,
Andrea.

P.S.: out of curiosity, do the official drivers work for you wrt tvout?

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> ...
> Oh well, guess I'll have to see how the XP drivers do it 8-)
> ...
I test all the changes of tvout branch for Federico regarding M7. TVout 
is activated as expected when I switch the resolution but I’m still out 
of sync then.
I have all the reg. dumps if you are interested in them.

Przemek

Przemyslaw Rudy wrote:


> As there is no Tvout working yet for laptop version of radeon M7 card I 
> use atitvout tool to watch movies on TV. It works great until I move 
> mouse/touchpad. Then picture becomes over-contrasted (or it's to bright, 
> difficult to say). When I switch back from TVout to LCD, the LCD picture 

Same here, using a Mobility M9+. This really bothers me, since ATI's 
official drivers' tvout is not working for me (way out of sync!) and ATI 
did not even bother to answer my mail 8-(

Oh well, guess I'll have to see how the XP drivers do it 8-)

BR,
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Hi
I am sorry I send it to this list but it seem so be the most right place 
anyway.

As there is no Tvout working yet for laptop version of radeon M7 card I 
use atitvout tool to watch movies on TV. It works great until I move 
mouse/touchpad. Then picture becomes over-contrasted (or it's to bright, 
difficult to say). When I switch back from TVout to LCD, the LCD picture 
is too bright and it stays like that until I restart X. But whenever I 
switch to TVout, the TVout picture is fine, of course until I touch the 
mouse.
Have you noticed that behavior? Do you have any idea how to solve it 
(except "do not touch the mouse")?

Regards,
Przemek

On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 13:37:05 -0400 (EDT), Vladimir Dergachev
<vo...@mi...> wrote:
> >> If not this might simply be the cable to the LCD being damaged (from
> >> opening and closing cover) or disconnected from the graphics board.
> >> Then the problem is likely due to a manufacturing defect and you better
> >> not service it yourself..
> >
> > Yeap, that's possible but I find it weird that it happened after an
> > XFree86 crash... that makes me think it's not hardware related.
> 
> Probably just coincidence.. You were likely spending a lot more time
> getting X setup than doing anything else so if the cable was going to go
> bad it had a bigger chance to do it then.
> 
> >
> > Anyway I think it's the turn for the Dell guys to help me. Or do you
> > have any other ideas?
> 
> No, I have no other suggestions.

Ok, anyway thanks a lot for all your help, really.

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I'm fixing the sysfs support so you won't get the annoying message about
it in the syslog. You will be able to try it from cvs sysfs_k26 branch
by tomorrow. But I don't think that will solve your problem. I gather
your system is a dual athlon? Do you have any other system networked to
it? Can you ping or ssh into the box when it locks up? The log entries
seem to suggest that X loads the radeon module after km has been loaded
and then (you?) unload it. Can you avoid loading it altogether by moving
it out of the /lib/modules/2.6.7/ tree? 
On Mon, 2004-07-19 at 23:13 +0200, Leoncini Xavier wrote:
> I am still experiencing lockups when km is inserted.
> I will try to be more specific.
> I use kernel 2.6.7 (smp) on an athlon
> My card is a radeon AIW
> standard radeon module is removed
> the km modules insert fine
> I start kdm and log in  then start avview and after I answer the first message 
> with an ok everything locks
> Below is what I get when inserting km:
> I have a complaint about a release callback not working.
It should be fixed soon ...
> 
> Jul 19 22:49:22 lagavulin kernel: [drm] Module unloaded
> Jul 19 22:50:03 lagavulin kernel: Kmultimedia module version alpha-3.0 loaded
> Jul 19 22:50:03 lagavulin kernel: Page size is 4096 
> sizeof(bm_list_descriptor)=16 sizeof(KM_STRUCT)=1236
> Jul 19 22:50:03 lagavulin kernel: km: using irq 5
> Jul 19 22:50:03 lagavulin kernel: Register aperture is 0xcfc80000 0x00080000
> Jul 19 22:50:03 lagavulin kernel: kms variables: reg_aperture=0xf9000000
> Jul 19 22:50:03 lagavulin kernel: km: DMA_GUI_STATUS=0x00000002 entries=2
> Jul 19 22:50:03 lagavulin kernel: videodev: "Km" has no release callback. 
> Please fix your driver for proper sysfs support,
> see http://lwn.net/Articles/36850/
> Jul 19 22:50:03 lagavulin kernel: videodev: "Km" has no release callback. 
> Please fix your driver for proper sysfs support,
> see http://lwn.net/Articles/36850/
> Jul 19 22:50:03 lagavulin kernel: sizeof(kmfl_template)=780 
> sizeof(KM_FIELD)=52
> Jul 19 22:50:03 lagavulin kernel: Device ATI Technologies Inc Radeon R100 QD 
> [Radeon 7200] 0000:01:00.0 (0x1002:0x5144) cor
> responds to /dev/video0
> Jul 19 22:50:03 lagavulin kernel: kms variables: reg_aperture=0xf9000000
> Jul 19 22:51:24 lagavulin kernel: [drm] Initialized radeon 1.11.0 20020828 on 
> minor 0: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon R100 QD
> [Radeon 7200]
> Jul 19 22:51:24 lagavulin kernel: mtrr: base(0xc0000000) is not aligned on a 
> size(0x1f00000) boundary
> Jul 19 22:52:23 lagavulin kernel: [drm] Module unloaded
> 
> Thanks for any tip,
> PS:  things did not lockup when I simply launched xinit in root mode and 
> launched avview within an xterm without window manager.
what if you su another user, not root, and try opening avview with no
KDE. Does it lock up?
> I use kde 3.2.3
> Best
> Xavier
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>> If not this might simply be the cable to the LCD being damaged (from
>> opening and closing cover) or disconnected from the graphics board.
>> Then the problem is likely due to a manufacturing defect and you better
>> not service it yourself..
>
> Yeap, that's possible but I find it weird that it happened after an
> XFree86 crash... that makes me think it's not hardware related.

Probably just coincidence.. You were likely spending a lot more time 
getting X setup than doing anything else so if the cable was going to go 
bad it had a bigger chance to do it then.

>
> Anyway I think it's the turn for the Dell guys to help me. Or do you
> have any other ideas?

No, I have no other suggestions.

                           best

                              Vladimir Dergachev

>
> --
> Felipe Contreras
>

On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 04:19:01 -0400 (EDT), Vladimir Dergachev
<vo...@mi...> wrote:
> 
> 
> On Mon, 19 Jul 2004, Felipe Contreras wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 00:20:10 -0400 (EDT), Vladimir Dergachev
> > <vo...@mi...> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> There should be an option in Dell diagnostics to test the LCD - what
> >> happens when you use that ?
> >
> > It says it's ok (All the LCD tests).
> 
> And you still do not see anything while it is running these tests ?

Nope, absolutely nothing in the LCD, only in the monitor.

> Well, since you can use an external monitor we know that most of the
> graphics card is fine.
> 
> So this leaves only the block that touches LCD and TMDS transmitter on the
> graphics card. I find it unlikely that TMDS trasmitter failed, so this
> must be something to do with the panel.
> 
> Do you see backlight turn on when you use LCD (or run the tests) ? You
> should see at least some light getting through, even if the whole screen
> is black.

No, I've seen the backlight problem before and this is not it... I see
absolutely nothing.

> If not this might simply be the cable to the LCD being damaged (from
> opening and closing cover) or disconnected from the graphics board.
> Then the problem is likely due to a manufacturing defect and you better
> not service it yourself..

Yeap, that's possible but I find it weird that it happened after an
XFree86 crash... that makes me think it's not hardware related.

Anyway I think it's the turn for the Dell guys to help me. Or do you
have any other ideas?

-- 
Felipe Contreras

On Mon, 19 Jul 2004, Felipe Contreras wrote:

> On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 00:20:10 -0400 (EDT), Vladimir Dergachev
> <vo...@mi...> wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Sun, 18 Jul 2004, Felipe Contreras wrote:
>>>
>>> All right, I finally ran Dell diags and all the video tests went fine.
>>> It says the LCD connection is fine.
>>>
>>> What else?
>>
>> There should be an option in Dell diagnostics to test the LCD - what
>> happens when you use that ?
>
> It says it's ok (All the LCD tests).

And you still do not see anything while it is running these tests ?

>
>> Also, when you try to use LCD does it refuse to switch to it or is it
>> simply black ? If the latter, check whether you can see anything from an
>> angle - this would indicate that backlight went bad. (backlight going bad
>> is not related to any software you can use as it is automatic, however
>> this happens sometimes).
>
> I've seen that backlight problem and this is not the case. I see
> nothing in the LCD and the tests go fine, as if I could see them in
> the LCD but I didn't.
>
>> Alternatively, there might be some residual misconfiguration from the BIOS
>> upgrade..
>
> That could be, but it's nothing I can change manually.
>
> Doing some research I found something interesting.
>
> My lap came with version A28 of the BIOS, and when the problem
> appeared I flashed it with A30. Now A30 is not available, at least for
> my model 5100. It's curious that both model 1100 and 5100 use the same
> BIOS versions, and 1100 has an A30 version while 5100 only A29.
>
> It makes me think that there was a bug with A30 on 5100's and now it
> was deleted. But seeing the information for the A30 for 1100 models
> (which is the same as 5100 models) it says this:
>
> Isues Fixed:
> 1. Fixed 15" LCD Panel detect error on Inspiron 5100.
> 2. Revert back to PSA build 3009.
> 3. Show "XGA" in setup for B type XGA panel on Inspiron 1100.
> 4. Append the TV out function into Intel 2984 VBIOS on Inspiron 1100.
> 5. Updated 4401 PXE image to version 2.0.4.
>
> It's curious that I have a 15" LCD Panel, and with A30 the BIOS says
> it's an unknown panel and with A29 and below it says it's a 15" XGA+
> Panel. So maybe this is mostly a bug from the Dell guys, maybe
> trigered by XFree86.

Well, since you can use an external monitor we know that most of the 
graphics card is fine.

So this leaves only the block that touches LCD and TMDS transmitter on the 
graphics card. I find it unlikely that TMDS trasmitter failed, so this 
must be something to do with the panel.

Do you see backlight turn on when you use LCD (or run the tests) ? You 
should see at least some light getting through, even if the whole screen 
is black.

If not this might simply be the cable to the LCD being damaged (from 
opening and closing cover) or disconnected from the graphics board.
Then the problem is likely due to a manufacturing defect and you better 
not service it yourself..

                           best

                               Vladimir Dergachev


>
> --
> Felipe Contreras
>