torcs-users Mailing List for TORCS - The Open Racing Car Simulator

Ben Armstrong wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 06, 2002 at 09:06:00PM +0100, Eric Espie wrote:
> 
>>Michael Bell wrote:
>>[...]
>>
>>>Mike. (Who wishes he could get his steering wheel to work so he could 
>>>play this game: does anyone have any experience of LWFF + 2.4 kernel?  
>>>If so any chance you could mail me off list?)
>>
>>I'm interested too, some people asked me if their XXX wheel
>>works with TORCS... so if you have positive or negative
>>experience with wheels and TORCS (or Linux in general)
>>I'd be glad to ear about it.
> 
> 
> If there's a reasonable chance a wheel of any description (and moderate
> cost) will work with TORCS, I'll rush out and buy one and try to help out.
> Anything in particular I should look for?
> 
> Ben

The Microsoft USB wheels (FF at least) work with TORCS.
I have a Ms Sidewinder FF and it works perfectly, I think that
the non-FF USB wheels should work too.

The list of supported Joysticks in Linux can be found here:
http://www.linuxgames.com/joystick/

Eric.
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                        TORCS
             The Open Racing Car Simulator
                  http://torcs.org
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Ben Armstrong wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 06, 2002 at 09:06:00PM +0100, Eric Espie wrote:
> 
>>Michael Bell wrote:
>>[...]
>>
>>>Mike. (Who wishes he could get his steering wheel to work so he could 
>>>play this game: does anyone have any experience of LWFF + 2.4 kernel?  
>>>If so any chance you could mail me off list?)
>>
>>I'm interested too, some people asked me if their XXX wheel
>>works with TORCS... so if you have positive or negative
>>experience with wheels and TORCS (or Linux in general)
>>I'd be glad to ear about it.
> 
> 
> If there's a reasonable chance a wheel of any description (and moderate
> cost) will work with TORCS, I'll rush out and buy one and try to help out.
> Anything in particular I should look for?
> 
> Ben

I think modern wheels that are HID compliant will work ok, its just mine is 
fairly old.  It should be supported by the iforce module but something isn't 
working quite right somewhere.  I must say I haven't had loads of time to 
fiddle around with it so when I have a bit more freetime I might get it working.

Mike.

On Wed, Nov 06, 2002 at 09:06:00PM +0100, Eric Espie wrote:
> Michael Bell wrote:
> [...]
> >Mike. (Who wishes he could get his steering wheel to work so he could 
> >play this game: does anyone have any experience of LWFF + 2.4 kernel?  
> >If so any chance you could mail me off list?)
> 
> I'm interested too, some people asked me if their XXX wheel
> works with TORCS... so if you have positive or negative
> experience with wheels and TORCS (or Linux in general)
> I'd be glad to ear about it.

If there's a reasonable chance a wheel of any description (and moderate
cost) will work with TORCS, I'll rush out and buy one and try to help out.
Anything in particular I should look for?

Ben
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Michael Bell wrote:
[...]
> Mike. (Who wishes he could get his steering wheel to work so he could 
> play this game: does anyone have any experience of LWFF + 2.4 kernel?  
> If so any chance you could mail me off list?)

I'm interested too, some people asked me if their XXX wheel
works with TORCS... so if you have positive or negative
experience with wheels and TORCS (or Linux in general)
I'd be glad to ear about it.

Thanks,
Eric.
-- 
=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
                        TORCS
             The Open Racing Car Simulator
                  http://torcs.org
=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=

>>Well, if there are no other solution... I'll try to
>>have TORCS working with more recent versions of PLIB
>>but I think it won't be that simple. From the activity
>>of PLIB mailing list I really doubt that TORCS will work
>>fine in a couple of minutes...
>>You can search for the FlightGear problems in the mailing
>>list to have an idea of the probable problems, but nothing's
>>impossible.
> 
> 
> If I do meet resistance to getting plib 1.4.2 into Debian, I may have to
> resort to dredging up evidence to back up the ITP, but for now, I'll just
> take your word for it.  Still, if you could at all get it to work with 1.6
> that would be the best possible solution as it keeps things moving forward.
> 

I don't think I'd support putting an old version of plib onto the debian 
package selector.  If its staically linked might it be possible to include a 
  hacked version of plib with TORCS that didn't build to /usr/lib?

Mike. (Who wishes he could get his steering wheel to work so he could play 
this game: does anyone have any experience of LWFF + 2.4 kernel?  If so any 
chance you could mail me off list?)

On Tue, Nov 05, 2002 at 09:36:18PM +0100, torcs wrote:
> PLIB team doesn't care that much in backward compatibility, they are
> more focused on new features, and it's a lot of work to follow the 
> different versions of PLIB...
> We have inherited C++ classes from PLIB for TORCS and it's
> not compiling anymore in the later versions...

Yeah, I understand.

> As PLIB is a static library it should be possible to
> build using the 1.4.2 version of PLIB for the binary package
> despite another version of PLIB is present on the system.

Sure, I don't anticipate problems with having multiple versions coexisting
at once.  I'm a novice at packaging libraries, though, so it might take me
some figuring out to get my plib 1.4.2 package to build properly.

> For a source package I don't see another solution than including
> the 1.4.2 version of PLIB with TORCS, *BUT* the bad effect is
> that compiling the 1.4.2 will replace other versions of PLIB
> on the system as it is installed in /usr/... in an hardcoded manner.
> 
> Don't forget to apply the plib-smoothing.dif patch to PLIB
> the look is really better...

Yup, doing that.  Btw, is the smoothing patch integrated into plib 1.6?
It's always easier to justify patching a library if you can demonstrate:

a) it is a backport of a patch included in a later rev
b) it in no way breaks compatibility with upstream

My problem is I expect resistance to an ITP ("Intent to Package" bug) for
plib 1.4.2.  I asked around Debian, and the preferred route to take is to
fix the upstream app to use recent libraries.

> Well, if there are no other solution... I'll try to
> have TORCS working with more recent versions of PLIB
> but I think it won't be that simple. From the activity
> of PLIB mailing list I really doubt that TORCS will work
> fine in a couple of minutes...
> You can search for the FlightGear problems in the mailing
> list to have an idea of the probable problems, but nothing's
> impossible.

If I do meet resistance to getting plib 1.4.2 into Debian, I may have to
resort to dredging up evidence to back up the ITP, but for now, I'll just
take your word for it.  Still, if you could at all get it to work with 1.6
that would be the best possible solution as it keeps things moving forward.

> BTW, it is really a great idea to make Debian packages for
> TORCS :-)

It's something I have wanted to do for quite a while, but I always had
problems with building/running it in the past.  I have a better system now,
and the build system looks cleaner than in the pre-1.0 releases, so I am
hopeful that it will work out.

Regards,
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Ben Armstrong wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 04, 2002 at 09:12:03PM +0100, Eric Espie wrote:
> 
>>Hi,
>>
>>TORCS is compatible with only one version of PLIB today
>>it is the 1.4.2
>>
>>If you use this version it should compile without more
>>than few warnings.
> 
> 
> Ugh.  The versions I have available to me in Debian testing/unstable are
> only 1.6.x and 1.7.x.
> 
> Even Debian's stable release has only plib 1.4.1 and 1.5.0.  If I am to
> include my package in Debian I'll have to include a version of plib that is
> a candidate for release.  Neither of these versions are currently release
> candidates.
> 
> Is there a compelling reason for TORCS to continue to use 1.4.2?
 >
 > Ben

PLIB team doesn't care that much in backward compatibility, they are
more focused on new features, and it's a lot of work to follow the 
different versions of PLIB...
We have inherited C++ classes from PLIB for TORCS and it's
not compiling anymore in the later versions...

As PLIB is a static library it should be possible to
build using the 1.4.2 version of PLIB for the binary package
despite another version of PLIB is present on the system.

For a source package I don't see another solution than including
the 1.4.2 version of PLIB with TORCS, *BUT* the bad effect is
that compiling the 1.4.2 will replace other versions of PLIB
on the system as it is installed in /usr/... in an hardcoded manner.

Don't forget to apply the plib-smoothing.dif patch to PLIB
the look is really better...

Well, if there are no other solution... I'll try to
have TORCS working with more recent versions of PLIB
but I think it won't be that simple. From the activity
of PLIB mailing list I really doubt that TORCS will work
fine in a couple of minutes...
You can search for the FlightGear problems in the mailing
list to have an idea of the probable problems, but nothing's
impossible.


BTW, it is really a great idea to make Debian packages for
TORCS :-)


Eric.
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=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
                        TORCS
             The Open Racing Car Simulator
                  http://torcs.org
=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=

On Mon, Nov 04, 2002 at 09:12:03PM +0100, Eric Espie wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> TORCS is compatible with only one version of PLIB today
> it is the 1.4.2
> 
> If you use this version it should compile without more
> than few warnings.

Ugh.  The versions I have available to me in Debian testing/unstable are
only 1.6.x and 1.7.x.

Even Debian's stable release has only plib 1.4.1 and 1.5.0.  If I am to
include my package in Debian I'll have to include a version of plib that is
a candidate for release.  Neither of these versions are currently release
candidates.

Is there a compelling reason for TORCS to continue to use 1.4.2?

Ben
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Hi,

TORCS is compatible with only one version of PLIB today
it is the 1.4.2

If you use this version it should compile without more
than few warnings.

Eric.

Ben Armstrong wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I am reviewing TORCS to see if it is suitable for me to package for
> inclusion in Debian[1].  Unfortunately, I cannot even get it to build.  Here
> are the particulars:
> 
> xlibmesa-dev	2.4.1-2
> libglut3-dev	3.7-16
> libpng3-dev	1.2.1-4
> plib-dev	1.6.0-1
> zlib1g-dev	1:1.1.4-6
> g++		2.95.4-17
> 
> gcc -E  -M -D__DEPEND__ -I/u3/home/synrg/src/torcs-1.1.0/export/include  -D_SVID_SOURCE -D_BSD_SOURCE -DSHM  grmain.cpp grboard.cpp grsound.cpp ssggraph.cpp grcam.cpp grcar.cpp grscene.cpp grutil.cpp grshadow.cpp grsmoke.cpp grskidmarks.cpp grloadac.cpp > .depend
> c++ -I/u3/home/synrg/src/torcs-1.1.0/export/include  -ansi -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -O3 -fstrength-reduce -ffast-math -fomit-frame-pointer -D_SVID_SOURCE -D_BSD_SOURCE -DSHM  -c grmain.cpp
> In file included from grmain.cpp:34:
> grshadow.h: In method `char * ssgVtxTableShadow::getTypeName()':
> grshadow.h:43: return to `char *' from `const char *' discards qualifiers
> In file included from grmain.cpp:36:
> grsmoke.h: In method `char * ssgVtxTableSmoke::getTypeName()':
> grsmoke.h:60: return to `char *' from `const char *' discards qualifiers
> make[5]: *** [grmain.o] Error 1
> make[5]: Leaving directory `/u3/home/synrg/src/torcs-1.1.0/src/modules/graphic/ssggraph'
> make[4]: *** [subdirs] Error 2
> make[4]: Leaving directory `/u3/home/synrg/src/torcs-1.1.0/src/modules/graphic'
> make[4]: Entering directory `/u3/home/synrg/src/torcs-1.1.0/src/modules/telemetry'
> 
> Anything else you need to know?
> 
> Anything else I should try?
> 
> Thanks,
> Ben
> 
> [1] http://bugs.debian.org/167748
> 


-- 
=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
                        TORCS
             The Open Racing Car Simulator
                  http://torcs.org
=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=

Hi,

I am reviewing TORCS to see if it is suitable for me to package for
inclusion in Debian[1].  Unfortunately, I cannot even get it to build.  Here
are the particulars:

xlibmesa-dev	2.4.1-2
libglut3-dev	3.7-16
libpng3-dev	1.2.1-4
plib-dev	1.6.0-1
zlib1g-dev	1:1.1.4-6
g++		2.95.4-17

gcc -E  -M -D__DEPEND__ -I/u3/home/synrg/src/torcs-1.1.0/export/include  -D_SVID_SOURCE -D_BSD_SOURCE -DSHM  grmain.cpp grboard.cpp grsound.cpp ssggraph.cpp grcam.cpp grcar.cpp grscene.cpp grutil.cpp grshadow.cpp grsmoke.cpp grskidmarks.cpp grloadac.cpp > .depend
c++ -I/u3/home/synrg/src/torcs-1.1.0/export/include  -ansi -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -O3 -fstrength-reduce -ffast-math -fomit-frame-pointer -D_SVID_SOURCE -D_BSD_SOURCE -DSHM  -c grmain.cpp
In file included from grmain.cpp:34:
grshadow.h: In method `char * ssgVtxTableShadow::getTypeName()':
grshadow.h:43: return to `char *' from `const char *' discards qualifiers
In file included from grmain.cpp:36:
grsmoke.h: In method `char * ssgVtxTableSmoke::getTypeName()':
grsmoke.h:60: return to `char *' from `const char *' discards qualifiers
make[5]: *** [grmain.o] Error 1
make[5]: Leaving directory `/u3/home/synrg/src/torcs-1.1.0/src/modules/graphic/ssggraph'
make[4]: *** [subdirs] Error 2
make[4]: Leaving directory `/u3/home/synrg/src/torcs-1.1.0/src/modules/graphic'
make[4]: Entering directory `/u3/home/synrg/src/torcs-1.1.0/src/modules/telemetry'

Anything else you need to know?

Anything else I should try?

Thanks,
Ben

[1] http://bugs.debian.org/167748

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