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On Fri, 25 Apr 2003, korruptor wrote:

>> Hmm, I added a little "effect" for buttons in the setup dialog. The
>> buttons will now react to mouse enter/leave events and display the
>> alternate image when the mouse is inside a button. Adds some more life 
>> to
>> the buttons. To toggle the old behaviour where only clicks do something
>> set:
>>
>> 	propeties.button_enter_leave = 0
>>
>> The default is 1, which means the enter/leave thing is enabled.
>
>Splendid!
>
>I've almost done the main buttons for the dialogs, the alternates 
>should be pretty easy from there. I got my new laptop this week, so 
>I've been busy migrating everything over. Expect some more toys to play 
>with during the next week... ;-)

I saw the pics on the new laptop. That thing is huge yet thin. A bit like
me, actually. :) Congrats to the new toy!

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> Hmm, I added a little "effect" for buttons in the setup dialog. The
> buttons will now react to mouse enter/leave events and display the
> alternate image when the mouse is inside a button. Adds some more life 
> to
> the buttons. To toggle the old behaviour where only clicks do something
> set:
>
> 	propeties.button_enter_leave = 0
>
> The default is 1, which means the enter/leave thing is enabled.

Splendid!

I've almost done the main buttons for the dialogs, the alternates 
should be pretty easy from there. I got my new laptop this week, so 
I've been busy migrating everything over. Expect some more toys to play 
with during the next week... ;-)

Nice work Chakie!

G

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On Mon, 14 Apr 2003, Gareth Noyce wrote:

>Ok,
>
>So, I'm *bad* for nicking OS X styling, but I quite like this, and it 
>seems to work really well over the top of the new backdrop. Comments 
>before I do the rest?

Oh, I like it. It's very fresh and modern. Excellent work, Gareth!

>I'm thinking of removing 'mover' variations of these new buttons -- we 
>only used them for click events anyway, which don't need a lot of 
>feedback. Is that bad? I could always do a subtle hue change for the 
>'mover' variants if you want them. Won't take long...

As discussed on #civil: if you can do it easily please go ahead. Otherwise
we can make do just fine without them.

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Ok,

So, I'm *bad* for nicking OS X styling, but I quite like this, and it 
seems to work really well over the top of the new backdrop. Comments 
before I do the rest?

I'm thinking of removing 'mover' variations of these new buttons -- we 
only used them for click events anyway, which don't need a lot of 
feedback. Is that bad? I could always do a subtle hue change for the 
'mover' variants if you want them. Won't take long...

I should be able to rattle out quite a few buttons tomorrow if you're 
ok with this. Then it's widgets to look at. I'll try and resist OS 
X'ing those as well... ;-)

G

A few nice pics from a *huge* Gettysburg scale model (last on the page):

http://pub179.ezboard.com/fwebandofbrothersfrm1.showMessage?topicID=4219.topic

Terrain was quite open there, with some elevation differences and a few
scattered trees.

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> I think Gareth has plans to replace the buttons too. So far the 
> buttons,
> editfields and checkboxes are from the old system.

This is true. Should have been this week, but I've been suffering with 
the flu and not really arsed to sit infront of my lappy for the last 
week or so... :)

Hopefully, new buttons will dribble in over the next few days. I'm 
waiting for a bit of sun so I can take some of the photos I need for 
source material, but once that's done it should be fairly trivial.

> I think the labels could be even bigger. We have very little stuff on 
> the
> screens, so why not use the screen real estate that we have?

Totally. Go for it, I say :)

G

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On Fri, 11 Apr 2003, Marcus Alanen wrote:

>On Fri, 11 Apr 2003, Jan Ekholm wrote:
>
>> As you may have seen, Gareth has added a new background for the new setup
>> dialogs. The new setup theme will be more neutral and not tied to any
>> specific theatre. So far I like what I've seen, as it makes it all much
>> lighter and looks less depressing. :)
>
>Yup, sure is lighter. The contrast between the buttons and the 
>background is a bit big, though.. I reckon the background could be a 
>tad darker, and/or the buttons lighter. It seems a bit "unbalanced" at 
>the moment. (otoh, with my visual craftsmanship, I wouldn't take it
>so hard.)

I think Gareth has plans to replace the buttons too. So far the buttons,
editfields and checkboxes are from the old system.

>But, as long as we only have horses and stuff, I didn't really mind 
>the "civil" theme with the darker backgrounds. Well, except that they 
>were a bit dark, ofcourse.
>
>> Buttons etc may/will appear sooner or later. Anyway, do you have comments
>> on the layout and sizes of stuff? Where should labels be? Should they be
>> bigger or smaller? Larger font? New texts? 
>
>I think the sizes are good, it should be big enough in the setup 
>dialogs.

I think the labels could be even bigger. We have very little stuff on the
screens, so why not use the screen real estate that we have?

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On Fri, 11 Apr 2003, Jan Ekholm wrote:

> As you may have seen, Gareth has added a new background for the new setup
> dialogs. The new setup theme will be more neutral and not tied to any
> specific theatre. So far I like what I've seen, as it makes it all much
> lighter and looks less depressing. :)

Yup, sure is lighter. The contrast between the buttons and the 
background is a bit big, though.. I reckon the background could be a 
tad darker, and/or the buttons lighter. It seems a bit "unbalanced" at 
the moment. (otoh, with my visual craftsmanship, I wouldn't take it
so hard.)

But, as long as we only have horses and stuff, I didn't really mind 
the "civil" theme with the darker backgrounds. Well, except that they 
were a bit dark, ofcourse.

> Buttons etc may/will appear sooner or later. Anyway, do you have comments
> on the layout and sizes of stuff? Where should labels be? Should they be
> bigger or smaller? Larger font? New texts? 

I think the sizes are good, it should be big enough in the setup 
dialogs.

As you may have seen, Gareth has added a new background for the new setup
dialogs. The new setup theme will be more neutral and not tied to any
specific theatre. So far I like what I've seen, as it makes it all much
lighter and looks less depressing. :)

Buttons etc may/will appear sooner or later. Anyway, do you have comments
on the layout and sizes of stuff? Where should labels be? Should they be
bigger or smaller? Larger font? New texts? 

I have personally seen those setup dialogs countless of times, so I'm
pretty immune towards any problems they may have, both logical and visual.

Comments?

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Gareth, 

that new backdrop of yours is sexy! It shows a nice image without getting
in the way. Clean and elegant. Good work!

Civil itself looks quite "interesting" with the old background changed for
the new though... :)

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> Well, what *did* he do? It's very useful and I bet it could be used for
> other projects too... :)

Basically, you need to checkout the CVSROOT module from Civil's cvstree 
and edit the loginfo file to call a script which generates the email. 
Uwe used a slightly different script to the one SF seem to advocate, so 
I used the same one as he chose. For some reason I couldn't get 
syncmail (sf's preference) to produce emails that didn't include a 
stonkingly large diff of the commit...

All in all, a one line edit, so it's pretty easy...

G


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On Tue, 1 Apr 2003, Gareth Noyce wrote:

>> BTW, can anyone point me in the direction of the magic voodoo that 
>> setup the cvs mailing list on SF for Civil? I want the same thing for 
>> SB.
>
>Heh, don't worry about this, I figured out what Uwe did and copied it 
>for SB. Apologies for the spurious CVS commit message you all got. That 
>was me forgetting to change the list address... :)
 
Well, what *did* he do? It's very useful and I bet it could be used for
other projects too... :)

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> 	doc/editor.txt
>
> It tries to document how the editor is used. Still lacks a lot of fine
> details and some whole chapters, but it should at least aid newbies in 
> the
> fine are of scenario creation.

Nice one Chakie, only made a few changes and corrected a couple of 
typos.

G

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> BTW, can anyone point me in the direction of the magic voodoo that 
> setup the cvs mailing list on SF for Civil? I want the same thing for 
> SB.

Heh, don't worry about this, I figured out what Uwe did and copied it 
for SB. Apologies for the spurious CVS commit message you all got. That 
was me forgetting to change the list address... :)

G

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> If anyone feels like reading some gibberish please have a look at:
>
> 	doc/editor.txt
>
> It tries to document how the editor is used. Still lacks a lot of fine
> details and some whole chapters, but it should at least aid newbies in 
> the
> fine are of scenario creation.

I'll go through this tonight for you. :-)

BTW, can anyone point me in the direction of the magic voodoo that 
setup the cvs mailing list on SF for Civil? I want the same thing for 
SB.

G

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