Over on X or Twitter or whatever, there’s a good debate with me leading the charge to get Elon Musk to stick with his December 26th suggestion of just visas for top 0.1% of foreign talent rather than his suggestion today that scoring at the 50th percentile on the GRE would be okay.
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These foreign sourced billionaires will do anything to get a little more cheap labor into the US and displace actual Americans…Deporting them should be strongly considered….
50% is too weak. 80% is better. Also, it should be extended to other tests too like GMAT, and even SAT. 90% on SAT should be good too. Far, far better than the current flood of illiterates.
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Elon Musk is a South African refugee to the United States (along with Peter Thiel, David Sacks and David Friedberg). This is in large part because Musk’s Afrikaner and British ancestors decided that, instead of repelling the Bantu invasion that came down into SA from the north, that they’d instead employ the Bantus as cheap labor.
Today, the white South Africans who settled and built the country are just 7% of its population. They were the ones who built the country and made it habitable. They brought the irrigation and agricultural technologies to its deserts thereby supporting the creation of cities and large populations in a land which was previously only capable of providing for a sparse population of pastoralist Hottentots.
But now the Afrikaners are a small persecuted minority in the country they built.
Elon is telling Americans that if they don’t similarly let themselves be turned into a hated minority in their own nation and homeland that they will “lose”. (Against whom, the Chinese? A nation we need only fear because of extensive IP theft – because of H-1Bs?)
Elon: “If we don’t fight them over here then we’ll have to fight them over there!”
This is astonishing considering Musk’s background as someone who fled South Africa, but who nevertheless seeks to impose the exact same disastrous immigration policies of his forebears on us. Elon – where will your white descendants (assuming you ultimately have any) flee to after you’ve wrecked America? Mars? Where will the average white American seek refuge?
The greed and myopia of the Western Anglo capitalist class knows, apparently, no bounds … Maybe that’s too cynical though. Is it really “greed” – or is it ideological? What is it?
I’ll note that Elon’s friends like David Sacks would never advocate an ethnicity/race/religion blind immigration policy for Israel, even though they are happy to advocate one for the United States. Maybe Elon should ask himself why all of his Jewish friends – the Jewish milieu from which he presumably absorbs so many of his opinions – supports Israel’s policy of discriminating against non-Jews in its immigration policies – a policy which is explicitly designed to maintain a ~80% Jewish supermajority. Maybe he should just ask his Jewish friends “what’s with the double standard?”
Notably, Israel, despite employing an immigration/naturalization policy which automatically excludes from consideration all non-Jews (99.8% of the world’s population) has a very vibrant tech community. How could that be with no race-blind H1Bs? (Well, for one it’s because of extensive IP theft and industrial espionage conducted against the United States, and the outsourcing of American tech jobs to Israel by the likes of “American” billionaire Paul Singer – but that’s not all of it). Could it be because the Jews invest in their own people? Could it be because Jews openly and proudly discriminate against outsiders?
Furthermore, the Israelis are motivated by tribalism, nationalism, common purpose, common interest, common blood and common bond. These are among the most powerful motivators in human nature. What are native-born American men motivated by? The opportunity to collaborate with and pay taxes towards a system which works towards their own dispossession and destruction?
We don’t need Indians. We need to invest in our own people. Jews understand this. The Chinese understand this. Indians themselves understand this when it comes to India (or, really, their caste, which is the unit to which they’re most loyal). The only people who don’t understand this are white Christian goyim who have been inebriated by Jewish propaganda about the “melting pot” and America being a “proposition nation” and merely an “idea.”
America doesn’t need a caste of nepotistic “highly-motivated,” low-trust, dual-ethics employing foreigners from Hyberabad and Delhi who will just recreate Hyberabad and Delhi here. We need to invest in Americans. Unfortunately, autistic, myopic, zero-noblesse-oblige oligarchs who want to dump all the negative externalities of their foreign labor onto their fellow citizens, and the descendants thereof, have a very difficult time understand this – even when they have personally had to flee from the consequences of this exact same policy.
Why do we need any immigration if AI and robots will be taking over the economy?
Why is strip mining the intellectual capitol of the third world a good thing?
Why can’t this “talent” stay in their country and telecommute?
Where’s Mario when you need him?
“high skilled” in the current era just means “can speak English”.
Being a college graduate is also meaningless. 50 years ago it meant something, now it doesn’t.
This is what collapsed the famed Canadian points-based immigration system, which was supposed to only let in the smartest immigrants. Many colleges have lowered their standards to meaninglessness – if they’re not actually selling degrees. References and evaluations can also be bought. It’s scams and bullshit all the way down.
THIS but also HOUSING. A re-run of the Larry Elder show tonight pointed out that there are X number of vulnerable families (families — not alcoholic jerks who screwed up their lives [like me] but entire families with kids we need to sustain our society) vulnerable to homelessness, and they compete with Pablo and Ashok for housing, except, unlike Pablo and Ashok, they don’t receive free assistance from the state. At a certain point rope will be necessary.
Good King Elonmusk looked out, on the Feast of Stephen…
We need a test of character and morals. Who the hell wants Tren de Aragua with twice the IQ points? That’s pretty much what China and India offer us.
This is all so tiresome. The entire “H1B needed to get us high-skilled labor” is a bald-faced lie. And the techbros absolutely know it. Not a chance they don’t when their companies are full of indentured servants that do mostly mechanical job because someone must do it and they are willing to do it cheaper.
There are also endless examples of H1Bs granted to low-skill jobs like warehouse workers and cooks.
And finally, there are endless examples of highly skilled white male Americans being forced to train their H1B replacements before they are fired and face prospects that they will never find another job again (not in the field of their best expertise, anyway).
Yes, it is important to rid the country of 20 million low IQ illegals but it is equally important to stop 50,000 mediocre IQ Indians from becoming US citizens every year (818,700 total naturalizations in 2024, if which 6.1% are from India and 5% are from Philippines: https://www.uscis.gov/citizenship-resource-center/naturalization-statistics)
Trump will not get much done on immigration other than deportations.
Homan and ICE will get themselves in physical danger when Antifa comes back again in January and comes after at ICE officers…
The Republicans barely have control of the House, and in the Senate, Lisa Murkowski, Susan Collins and Mitch McConnell will not allow Trump to get certain things done….
If MAGA wants real change, they need to run someone in 2028 who is LIKEABLE and can get more than 49.9% of the vote.
Trump got lucky this time.
Reagan got 50% and 58% in 1980 and 1984 respectively.
Trump won because of his opponent and the economy, not because of HIM personally.
At or above the 101st percentile would be okay.
Good luck with it. Musk spent $250 million to get DJT elected. It is important to know who is wearing the pants. In another news, Trump wants to slightly delay action on the bipartisan, court decided, “Chinese Spyware” called Tik-Tok so that he can cancel the divestment order. Jeffrey Yass, a major Tik-Tok investor was a critical donor to Trump campaign.
The “tech bros” are getting destroyed in the debate all over Twitter.
They show no loyalty to Americans in general, much less to White Americans.
Why in the world would anyone help defend their property rights? Why would any White guy answer a police call or stand in the way when the Bernie Bros come?
Mr. Jonathan Lyndale Kirk supported Trump even back in 2023. He was ahead of the curve, and called it. He is also responsible for the substantial migration by black men towards Trump on voting day.
Mr. Kirk, who is known professionally as ‘DaBaby’, is a successful musician in the rap genre. He is worthy of intensive study by this commentariat. He is at the very top of his field, and lives life with aplomb!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DaBaby
Mr. Kirk is 32 and has 3 children. He will probably have more.
Mr. Kirk attacked the premise of transgenderism, to the extent that Dave Chappelle discussed this in a standup comedy act, and used Mr. Kirk as an example of how to fight back against woke lunacy :
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He also took an existing song from Dua Lipa, titled ‘Levitating’ and nonetheless got a new version made that includes his rap lyrics within the middle of the song. One must admire his ability to insert himself into a production that may have seemed that it didn’t need his contribution at all. His proximity to Dua Lipa and his contract with her allows him to frequently pinch her shapely glutes :
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When not working, Mr. Kirk has a variety of hobbies. Mr. Kirk has been arrested for battery and robbery allegations. He also shot a man at a Walmart, and in addition to that, shot a trespasser at his North Carolina estate. Mr. Kirk has mastered the art of the gangsta lyfe, which further reinforces his lucrative, high-profile career.
Da man, da legend, DaBaby.
Trump 47.
The 1924 Immigration Act signed by Coolidge actually worked pretty well. It gave a preference to NW Europeans, allowed some Southern and Eastern Europeans in, and only a few non-Europeans. The main problem prior to the act was that there was such a flood of immigrants that the assimilation process broke down and you saw the development of ethnic neighborhoods in big cities where the inhabitants continued to speak the language of their home country and follow their old customs, including continuing their old ethnic and religious feuds.
The 1924 act, by reducing immigration, allowed the assimilation process to work better. By the time I was a child in the sixties, almost everyone spoke English and took part in the common American culture. The system could have been adjusted to allow in a few more non-Europeans, particularly NE Asians, and would have continued to work. Instead, we replaced it with something that once again led to a flood of immigrants and the breakdown of the assimilation process.
I guess home invasion burglaries are another job that Americans just won’t do:
The dead burglar is said to be Mexican. His accomplice is from Chile. One now often reads about Chilean criminals practicing their trade in America. There are a number of Chilean burglary rings operating throughout the United States.
So we need some good ‘ol forced assimilation to genocide whites out of existence?
Zero Hedge’s ‘Portfolio Armor’ author notes how there has already been massive Indian immigration into both Canada and Britain … with ‘little to show for it economically’ or in technological advances
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2024-12-27/elons-two-positions-immigration
The real big awful person here is Musk’s Indian-immigrant-pushing partner Vivek, with a history of being a financial scammer on a drug that didn’t work, and now telling heritage Americans that their kids have too much fun and they need to be success-obsessive, brutal, childhood-crushing parents like in his subculture
Newsweek:
‘Vivek Ramaswamy Is a Fraud – and Always Has Been’
https://www.newsweek.com/vivek-ramaswamy-fraud-always-has-been-opinion-1823853
How about %0.0?
Go to war with what we got. Can’t do it, well guess we should fix ourselves then.
No immigration. Period.
Do it (zero immigration) for as long as Justice O’Connor said we’d have AA for.
Make their country great, again or for the first time. But do it…over there.
Make it 85th percentile of GRE, which is 1 standard deviation above the midpoint ;
OR, a Masters / PhD degree in STEM from a Western University;
Will filter out 85% of low IQ H1B frauds
There is a structural injustice to American job applicants built in to the H1 B visa program.
The foreign job applicant will always look more attractive to the employer (all other things being equal) because his right to remain in the country legally is TETHERED to the employer. As a result of this TETHER, the foreign employee will be more grateful, more loyal and more forgiving of poor working conditions or harsh demands from the employer.
There must be a counter-measure to offset this structural injustice to the H1 B program.
I suggest a tax on every foreign H-1B hire (to be payed by the employer) to offset this injustice.
The employer can then choose paying the American job applicant a certain salary (X), or the foreign applicant, which will cost X + 2% say. The 2% will go to the Federal government to fund border enforcement or to fund STEM training for Appalachians or some such.
The Republicans may not like the framing of this as a “Tax” so just call it a “surcharge” or even a “tariff” – THE TETHER TARIFF.
Elon Musk says “F*CK YOURSELF in the face” and he’s willing to “go to war” on this issue.
Vivek Ramaswamy blames Zack Morris for the H-1b visa program. Seriously.
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I knew Zack and Slater were gonna screw it all up! Don’t get me started on Mr. Belding, Kelly Kapowski, or Lisa Turtle.
Steve, here’s an angle up your alley: how much of this immigrant worker business is about avoiding hiring American blacks and (to a lesser extent) Hispanics?
Here’s an interesting take. Jews vs Whites vs Indians vs Chinese.
The Jew makes the money.
The White takes the credit.
The Indian becomes the CEO.
The Chinaman/Asian does the real work.
The Hispanic does economically-priced yard maintenance for the corporate campus.
The Black gets the DEI HR position.
The Arab does nothing because he has “F U” oil money.
LOL.
It looks like Elon has abandoned his 0.1% position, leapfrogged over the 50th percentile, and is now digging in back at infinity immigrants:
About those infinity immigrationists…
We give you a lot of shit, but thank you. Please do a blog-post on the O-1 visa for exception talent (models and jocks and such, not just smart people — very iSteve)
Sorry Steve, but you’re in the rear with the gear on this one.
Vivek weighed in on this, too.
1. This is very iSteve. India is a very populous nation that is terrible at sports. Let’s go with the Olympic medal per capita metric.
2. This is all very disappointing. I had high hopes for Ramaswamy, but he’s just another bitter anti-white nerd who’s still stuck in high school.
3. The last thing America needs is more foreigners to write bad code and undercut wages.
https://www.johnderbyshire.com/Opinions/RadioDerb/2024-12-27.html
https://thezman.com/wordpress/?p=33311
Well, I goaded Mr. Sailer into NOTICING. Good for him.
https://www.axios.com/2024/12/26/maga-civil-war-ramaswamy-musk-loomer-cernovich
So “paper Americans” are top advisors to Trump and they want a pipeline of immigrant tech workers. Which, to no one’s surprise, has riled up the MAGA base. And free speech Musk promptly restricted the MAGAheads from commenting.
—Elon Musk’s X is the town square for the MAGA movement, and by stepping into that square and firmly criticizing American culture — while praising the immigrant work ethic and parenting model — Ramaswamy threw down a gauntlet.
Musk spent most of the afternoon trying to defend his DOGE co-leader and explain his argument, framing it as using immigration to supplement, rather than replace, American workers.
“Maybe this is a helpful clarification: I am referring to bringing in via legal immigration the top ~0.1% of engineering talent as being essential for America to keep winning,” Musk wrote.
The problem for many MAGA adherents, though, was accepting the very notion of immigrants telling them America needs more immigration to fill lucrative jobs in America.—
And then, on top of it all, Musk the free speech champion cut off the ability of numerous MAGAheads like Lauren Loomer to collect subscription fees and other revenue on the site — and had revoked their blue verification checkmark, about two days after they began criticizing Musk over tech industry visas.
So, will Trump put his foot down and intervene on behalf of his base?
The most fascinating part of this whole thing is Musk shedding his crown as supposedly the only famous billionaire magnate who’s not surrounded by yes-men. Apparently Musk is the only person online to be unaware that the gripe of the ment is Indians, the rage thread of the moment is complaining about standard Indian behavior, the joke video of the moment is no longer Chinese workplace safety or American urban volatility but Indians being disgusting. This is the moment Musk chose to reject a smashing electoral victory.
Indeed. Our current immigration system – if one could call it that – is designed *not* to allow for assimilation but to produce an atomized society of rival ethnic groups that the left assumed could be united on the basis of dislike of whites.
The reality that even well-intended leftists cannot admit is that any society must have a dominant culture of one kind or another to function. In our case, the Western European civilization that originally produced the US is also the best option of all available in the present. But because it’s ‘white’ it is therefore hated and thus we have all sorts of social theories and political movements intended to break out of that.
That may be so, but the larger issue here is that the tech billionaires want to import cheap labor.
The bottom line is the numbers or percentages that matters is ZERO. No Hindis or Pakistanis or Chinese, correct? There are well-qualified (white) Americans to fill those jobs, right? This is the MAGAhead line in the sand.
Trump is so love with Musk that he is getting taken for a chump. My vague impression is there will be a “compromise”, which significantly undercuts Trump’s immigration position.
And (whites) will suffer and wonder why Trump is on the side of billionaires. Go figure.
My immigration plan, as I’ve stated many times before; is hockey players, their WAGS, and possibly their children. That’s it.
Even if I don’t get my way, and hockey players are kept out, what would be wrong with an NHL division in Europe ? Of course my proposal assumes that Canada becomes the 51st state!
I’ll write my Peak Stupidity post later on today – doing some traveling, but Twitterers Tear Tech Titan a new one should appear this evening (so, dead link for now).
I don’t tweet/x, but I see how that had to have been some on-line battle there, from everything I’ve read. Rather than hash out the points repetitively, I’ll have a series of pictures showing the America of ALMOST ALL White engineers and White (mostly male0 software people of 35-40 and 25-30 years back, respectively.
Elon Musk was both not old enough and not here in this country then, so he has no clue that this reliance on foreign “talent” is not like he 1st Law of Thermo.
Trump has no such excuse.
Elon is saying he built in America because of the H1B indentured servitude, racially Indians. I have a cunning plan: he could’ve saved a bundle building companies in India.
The conceit of the moment seems to be that we’ll rebuild our squandered industries and our surrendering army and be a great power again. When our braindead elite interrupt such babble it’s to complain that American teenagers are completely worthless. There is a contradiction there, to be seen by those whose eyes are not blocked by unearned money. China is strong now because China prioritized China, prioritized the Chinese people. China identified deficiencies and brought in foreigners — not to maintain those deficiencies by displacing Chinese people, which is what Elon is allowing himself to propose out loud, but to build China by training the Chinese people in whatever it was they didn’t know how to do. All Chinese factories were officially, nominally, educational facilities. The foreigners made money but in the end Chinese people had skills they did not start with. This is the only possible way to restore American power, this is the trillion dollar coin left on the sidewalk, this is what Elon is missing.
Here’s the problem we have. Elon Musk may have helped Trump win the ’24 election in a number of ways. Primary was that he greatly (not completely, by any means) un-censored ex-twitter. Good on him.
With his money and promise to magically SAVE the US from financial doom* with the DOGE, Elon Musk must have Trump’s ear lots of the time. Unfortunately, because Trump makes decisions based on the last guy (or few) who’ve talked to him, he’s going along with this. Secondly, Trump has no technical background, so he thinks the guy’s a genius. Musk IS an amazing guy but not a genius, and on this EXISTENTIAL political, not technical, issue, he’s full of shit, in fact, just due to ignorance. (It’s not malice – when it’s the ctrl-left saying this, yes, it’s malice.)
We’ve got to get Trump to use his common-sense. He has to have memories of that White-male-built America, engineers, IT people, and all. I hope there’s a way to keep Elon Musk out of this and get Trump to follow the advice of Steven Miller. (Miller sounds like he’s spent lots of time on VDare and gets the whole thing.)
PS: About this 0.1% of that vague denominator, “foreign talent”: As Mr. Hail did a coupla days back here, one can define that in a lot of ways. Nope, that’s just a foot in the door or the slippery slope. H-1B is an Indentured Servant program, period!
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* Sorry, AnotherDad, I agree with you on most everything, but you’re wrong that this will not come to a head soon.
Modified ever so slightly by the 1965 Act where Teddy Kennedy did his star turn for his new friends.
Little noticed was the phrase
won’t expand one inch toward RussiaWe pinky swear to keep only the WEIRD people coming in.And then they didn’t. Shocked to see that there was
gamblinglying going on.We were willing to continue the obscene government subsidies for Tesla and Space X, as long as Musk was willing to support America First immigration restriction.
But Musk got greedy. He wants both the direct subsidies, and the indirect subsidy of unlimited cheap foreign labor.
End all government subsidies for Tesla and Space X – not just the H1-B subsidy, ALL subsidies.
My people, white people, are not an ingredient to be melted into some new Soviet Man. We are not available for your forced assimilation plans. White children just being born today are not cattle for you to play God with or to “mix” out of existence. That’s genocide.
https://nitter.poast.org/Anc_Aesthetics/status/1872736287662456971#m
Funny, when I look at the people involved with the Apollo program, I don’t see many foreigners, and what few there were, were almost all Germans. When I look at the people who built Hoover Dam, The Panama Canal, Ford Motors, Kitty Hawk……well, you get the idea.
Maybe we take a wrecking ball to the Educational System, then prioritize America first?
And as others have pointed out, the H1-B system is de facto slavery, and a gun pointed at the incomes of every educated American.
As I have pointed out to Republimorons for 40+ years now, the Republican Party is Lucy, you are Charlie Brown, the issues are the football.
“We’ve got to get Trump to use his common-sense“
That is hilarious.
If Miller (the Jew) doesn’t step in and get into Trump’s ear to tell Musk and Vivak to get on board with ZERO immigration for HBd1 Visas, he is a cuck.
“and on this EXISTENTIAL political, not technical, issue, he’s full of shit, in fact, just due to ignorance.”
No, it’s not ignorance on the part of Musk. It’s greed. It’s ego. He knows exactly what he is doing. Give Trump campaign money and then get what he wants—cheap labor.
But, hey, Trump will throw a bone to you and spend billions of dollars deporting illegals.
Note that VR never mentioned the Big Bang Theory show. That is a show where nerdy white males are the glamorous heroes who get the foxy blonds. It also has an Indian guy who is the romantic loser.
He explicitly attacked whites. He Warren Buffetted it by including himself ( exact words “we’re dumb”) but he’s now the same thing as Tim Wise.
Elon Musk as of now has kneecapped Republicans for the next ten elections. Lots of time to undo the damage, but I don’t know if the damage can be undone. He has killed all the goodwill and support Trump was counting on. He has just proven that elections are fake and pointless. He just endorsed Luigi. Thing is, he was on track to get all the street-messing rapists he wanted, had he kept his mouth shut. That’s how dumb he is.
The top .1% would be a handful of immigrants–a top score of two 180s or two 800s on the old scale. the top 5% would get the kind of people we need and would eliminate anyone with less than a 170 on the quantitative.
It is all a ruse by Musk.
This is his sentiment toward MAGAheads and those opposed to ANY and ALL immigration.
—The reason I’m in America along with so many critical people who built SpaceX, Tesla and hundreds of other companies that made America strong is because of H1B.
Take a big step back and FUCK YOURSELF in the face. I will go to war on this issue the likes of which
you cannot possibly comprehend.—
He will not take any marching orders from Miller (the Jew) or Bannon or Trump. Will they dump him or compromise their agenda?
Pretty sure the two nerdy effeminate jews get the hot blond shiksas, the autistic goy with an evangelical mother gets the ugly jewess, and the Indian gets to be there.
Talk about a win win WIN! for whites. /sarc
“This is all very disappointing. I had high hopes for Ramaswamy,…”
There’s your problem right there, having “high hopes” for someone who was clearly either a Putin or a Modi stooge (or both) from the get-go. I.e., just like Elon.
Did you really expect people like them to have any sympathy for lower-caste folk who are fed up with being invaded and having their sovereignty violated? Get real. In Vivek’s and Elon’s world-view, whenever someone higher up on the caste system — be it Putin or anyone else — decides a group of people need to be invaded and/or annihilated, they are going to tell that group to just roll over and die. And you want to tell me you’re surprised?
Who would have thought that hoovering up all that Moscow propaganda that Ron Unz spews out to the ether on the cheap (because Moscow subsidizes it) might backfire at some point?
Bug don’t worry — you can still pin all your hopes on Tulsi, am I right? Now there’s a Putin stooge who always gets it right — just ask her good buddy Assad.
Musk and the dot indian guy have destroyed Trump’s presidency before it has begun and ensured a blue wave in 2026 — not because Trump voters will switch to dems but because they will just say there’s no point in voting and stay home.
You clearly haven’t watched the show :
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…and since when is Mayim Bialik a ‘foxy blonde’?
Ramaswamy talked a good game up until 12/23. His rhetoric on immigration and many other issues was on point.
You mentioned Putin several times. I suppose this means you’d like to discuss the toxic and hostile influences of foreign actors?
Great. Now do Israel.
I feel like this comment deserves a gold box. If I could give it one, I would. Well said.
There are some things Sissy-boy Sailer doesn’t like to notice.
trump is NOT an american. his mother was born in scotland in 1912.
i propose expropriating musk, ramalamadingdong, and trump and deporting them to madagascar.
whose with me?
REMIGRATION!
There’ll be time for musk to make up for his boner. But he might just be showing his true colors.
You’ve got to stop black pilling. Elon has kneecapped himself, not the GOP. Trump hasn’t endorsed any of his posts.
Hai, so-o desu ga.
Good afternoon, everyone,
While we’re all chattering on about the H-1B indentured servants program, “Joe Biden” just gave another giant middle finger to working class Americans. As LandLine Magazine revealed a couple weeks back, the criminals masquerading as “government” have made an additional 70,000 H-2B visas available for next year, doubling this year’s number.
Under the H-2B indentured servants program, employers can hire pre-Americans to perform nonagricultural work. A wide variety of industries take advantage of the program, including hospitality, tourism, landscaping, seafood processing and trucking.
Now, 130,000 visas might not sound like a lot in an economic zone as populous as the (formerly) United States, and 1,500 given to truckers even less so, but when you consider how bad the trucking industry is for drivers, you can see how much of a middle finger to truck drivers this is.
The online trucking industry magazine FreightWaves has an entire section of their website dedicated to nothing but trucking company bankruptcies and truck driver layoffs. A quick scan through the most recent articles show that over 4,000 truckers in the United States were laid off in October and November, and thousands more are at risk of being laid off as the companies they work for file for bankruptcy. (This number doesn’t include many owner operators whose business closures are more difficult to track.)
So, other than ideological reasons, why on earth would Alejandro Mayorkas push for more foreign truckers? He gave us an excuse in a November press release. “There are employers across the country that can profit greatly from H-2B workers,” Mayorkas said. “Authorizing these supplemental visas helps U.S. employers fill those positions… It helps fuel our economy while also providing a Lee-Gul pathway to citizenship for tens of thousands of pre-Americans.” (No, Maykoras didn’t refer to them as pre-Americans. He called them workers.)
Perhaps Mayorkas still believes in the “driver shortage narrative” that corporate lobbying groups have been pushing in an effort to extract subsidies from the taxcattle. But there isn’t a trucker shortage; there’s a retention crisis, the result of plummeting wages that can be traced back to the Motor Carrier Act of 1980. Thanks to Motor Law, the average driver’s salary today is half of what it was in 1980.
The Biden regime’s latest slap in the face is exactly the kind of policy that has kept truckers’ salaries artificially suppressed. When greeted with bad working conditions, their answer is, let’s bring in more indentured servants who can’t complain.
Today, the trucking industry in America has come to rely heavily on migrant and immigrant labor instead of improving pay and conditions for Americans. Unfortunately, drivers from other countries are often untrained, dangerously incompetent, and many do not even speak English. Meanwhile, corrupt DMVs have been selling CDLs without testing the drivers, proving yet again that the people who work for “government” are often corrupt and that licensing schemes have nothing to do with safety.
And because we all know how much Steve luvs traffic
accident* crash data…(* There is no such thing as a car accident!)
Over the past eight years, there has been an alarming increase in fatal truck crashes. A significant factor contributing to this trend can be attributed to open borders and rampant wage dumping within the trucking industry. Wage dumping has led to the employment of untrained, incompetent non-licensed foreigners who are hired to cut costs and maximize profits.
Wage dumping has dire implications for public safety. For instance, an example occurred on May 13, 2024, on Arkansas 117 in Lawrence County. Mark Bryant, a 52-year-old from Jonesboro, lost his life when his Ford F-150 was struck by a Freightliner that veered across the centerline. The Freightliner was operated by a 26-year-old from Honduras, who was illegally in the country, lacked a Driver’s License and couldn’t communicate in English. This driver worked for a company frequently cited for hiring unlicensed migrant drivers.
Similarly, in Colorado, the community mourned the loss of Scott Miller, aged 62, killed by an individual who was not only incompetent and also without license but had been deported 16 times and was under a deportation order at the time of the fatal crash. These cases have revealed a recurring pattern where drivers involved in such fatal
accidentscollisions face only minor chargesdespite theirbecause of theirillegalstatus and despite their negligence leading to loss of life.Of course, pre-Americans lowering wages and taking jobs from truckers in flyover country is not nearly as important as pre-Americans lowering wages and taking jobs away from coders in silicon valley. It is perfectly understandable why few people would even care enough to notice.
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Millions of people voted for Trump in part because he promised to reverse the TikTok decision.
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LOL. Unless the Russkies actually put nukes on their vaunted Orezhnik missiles, it’s just a gigantic missile booster for a small explosive warhead!
Agreed, J.T. Alas, only the Big Man in the sky, in the Unz Review cloud, that is, can anoint a commenter with the Golden Box of unlimited devotion. Unfortunately, that guy’s judgement of people sucks pretty bad…
For example, I got the box once. I screenshotted it, printed it out at Kinko’s on the largest paper they have, and have it hanging up on the wall… behind the toilet.
Who’s Luigi? Haven’t played Donkey Kong in a long while.
This could go one of two ways: Trump will continue worshipping the guy, or he won’t, and Musk can take his toys and go home – his work is done.
In the medium run, well before those illusory 10 terms (cause, finance doom), MAGA needs to put Trump away nicely. His work in building MAGA, inadvertently or not, is about done too.
The America that Elon Musk can’t possibly imagine:
Good points in your comment. I will only add that Musk’s dream of reaching Mars and generating an underground habitat to make the Red Planet a launching pad for explorations deeper into the solar system is an item to consider. Musk wows Blumpft! with his penile rocket shows but he’ll need vessels that run on off the shelf propulsion that is leagues distant from dirty chemicals and genocidal nuclear. And a spaceship that is shaped like a cube. This scenario can be realized with MIC assistance — funding, infrastructure, all bureaucratically nonexistent. The clandestine propulsion was originally developed in Nazi SS labs during the war — the Big One. The progeny of the SS scientists and physicists are deeply involved in globalist organizations like BIS, WEF, BlackRock. In the realm of high finance people from sketchy backgrounds come together, old transgressions forgiven, to further the biodigital convergence.
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https://nypost.com/2024/12/28/us-news/donald-trump-backs-h-1b-visa-program-supported-by-elon-musk/
https://archive.is/VOpDY
Very good point, it was noted yesterday or earlier on 4chan that Trump was clearly very wisely staying the hell out of this. We can even visualize Elon making a pitch and Trump raising his eyebrows and saying, “well, I tell you what, how about you take the lead on that one.”
Shitcom. Silicon Valley was/is the funny variant on that theme.
https://www.mediaite.com/politics/elon-musk-endorses-post-suggesting-americans-are-too-retarded-to-do-skilled-jobs/
https://archive.is/LlN9m
https://archive.is/PBN44
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1872457740955918750
https://archive.is/9IyDZ
Elon appears to have removed his reply tweet.
“Ramaswamy talked a good game…Now do Israel.”
Why, did you have “high hopes” for Israel, too? If not, then why were you taken in by Ramyswamy of all people? I keep getting told around here that Israel is full of slick hucksters who talk a good game, and yet, I’m guessing you weren’t taken in by any of that.
So the remaining and really pressing question is why were you such a blithering idiot when it came to Vivek? Is being a fellow Putin stooge all that’s needed to play someone like you for a chump? And do you really think boasting about how you’re able to see through Israel will somehow make all that stupidity excusable, as opposed to making it that much more obvious and egregious?
Then again, you answered my question. so thanks anyway. I was looking for a reason why you were taken in, given that it seemed like something that could only happen to a moron, and…well, let’s just say you’ve managed to explain the matter pretty clearly, in spite of yourself.
Yeah, saw that after. I spoke too soon.
Maybe now MAGA will finally catch on that Trump has been using them. Trump has been desperate his whole life to be the popular kid. For decades in New York he was a joke, laughed at by the old money elites and the new money banker and corporate CEO types alike. He got his revenge by harnessing the anger and discontent of millions of middle and lower middle class Americans but he doesn’t value them. Now that he finally has the tech bros and billionaires kissing his ass he’s going to take their side from here on out. And do you think he gives a shit if a a few million of his core white supporters turn on him? He’ll just replace them with all the Latinos who love him, and the Indians coming in on H1B visas.
The history of populist and national movements is littered with examples of con men and grifters taking advantage of people too far from the power to realize who’s really fucking them over. Trump is just another sad chapter in that book.
I spoke too soon…
Though it’s still not time to black pill.
“Germany is at the mercy of Putin’s super missile.”
Oh, look — right on cue, from someone commenting on unz-dot-com for the first and only time ever. Nothing suspicious about that at all, I say. Just another helpful reminder from yet another Moscow stooge that if you’re ever in the way of someone like Putin, or Elon, or Vivek, your survival depends solely on their “mercy”, and if you don’t get it, then you WILL be replaced. Or else invaded. Or else annihilated. It’s that simple. The fact that some people here went out of their way to put them in charge makes it that much more…well, like this:
Say, what do people like Elon, and Vivek and David Sacks have in common as far as who they’re willing to be stooges for? So tell me again about the high hopes you had for people like that.
One should note the crowning idiocy of the “infinity immigrants” policy changes of the mid-1960s: the female elephants in the (increasingly crowded) room.
Thanks to advances in science and engineering made by the despised white male patriarchy, since the mid-1960s technology made it possible for a massive demographic within western countries to enter the workforce in unprecedented numbers: women. This strengthened the economic unit of the nuclear family among the already wealthy because they could afford nannies and domestics (whose cost is effectively subsidized by open borders).
In contrast, the “infinity immigrants” policy changes of the mid-1960s massively harmed the economic unit of the nuclear family among the working class.
When Powell warned of Britain–and by extension every other western country–“heaping up our own funeral pyre”, what is forgotten is that we only see the visible tip of that funeral pyre, the most conspicuous aspects of which are the lost employment opportunities, deaths and downward spirals of social despair, and homelessness afflicting the working class.
However, there is a much larger, invisible base of western civilization’s funeral pyre that has been heaped up by the “infinity immigrants” policy changes of western countries since the mid-1960s. That is the tens of millions of children that were never born in working class families in western countries since the 1960s. Among those tens of millions of children of working-class parents in the USA that were never born would have been untold numbers of intelligent, hard-working strivers pursuing the American Dream of upward mobility, and who would have easily been the equal of any of the so-called indispensable H1-Bs that the UniParty Open Borders Traitors are constantly bragging about.
Finally, one should also note the further idiocy of the “infinity tech immigrants” policy endorsements of the mid-2020s: Big Tech’s global remote tech workforce, which has been and will increasingly be replacing American scientific and engineering talent, together with Big Tech’s Generative AI “agents” that can and will be programmed to act with increasing autonomy.
Postscript: Big Tech’s AI is already disappointing its best and brightest.
I sensed anxiety and frustration at NeurIPS 2024
https://kyunghyuncho.me/i-sensed-anxiety-and-frustration-at-neurips24/
[NeurIPS, often “NeuroIPS (sic)” = The Annual Conference on Neural Information Processing Systems (the most prestigious conference in AI); https://neurips.cc/%5D
[absence of capitalization from the original]
“last week at NeurIPS’24, one extremely salient thing was the anxiety and frustration felt and expressed by late-year PhD students and postdocs who were confused by the job market that looks and feels so much different from what they expected perhaps when they were applying for PhD programs five or so years ago.
. . . .
at this point, it is perhaps unsurprising that these students near the end of their PhD programs are feeling a greatly heightened level of anxiety and frustration. they looked up to people of my generation (still relatively young and junior, but in this field, probably on the more senior side) and thought they would enjoy similar career prospects by becoming extremely highly paid research scientists at big tech companies with a great degree of research freedom, as long as their PhD degrees were somewhat relevant to a broad field of machine learning and adjacent areas. from their perspective, the job market suddenly asks them to show their credentials in terms of innovating in a much narrower domain of large-scale language models and their variants and to work on directly contributing to these products built on top of these large-scale models. there are much fewer opportunities if they do not want to work on productizing large-scale language models, and these positions are disappearing quickly.
. . . .
unfortunately i could only work my way through (partly) understanding the source of anxiety and frustration i could sense from these immensely brilliant students but cannot think of a way to help alleviate such frustration. after all, it looks like i may have greatly but unintentionally contributed to the situation that makes them frustrated and anxious about their careers and future. sorry!”
Once Trump wins, Musk and his fanboy sidekick Ramasmarmy reveal their true agenda: turn on the immigration spigots – all you American f**kers need to be replaced.
SpaceX and Tesla were not built by Indians with H1B visas. They were mostly built by Americans – white Americans – mostly young idealistic people whom Musk works like dogs and then spits out. Perhaps he’s running out of them, so he needs to bring in some third world coolies to keep it going.
Well, since I never trusted Musk anyway I can’t say I’m surprised or disappointed.
Never trust billionaires.
Let’s see that this high-end immigration comes with a price tag. Charge a fee, to immigrant and/or employer, to cover housing and healthcare for Americans already here.
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used to push an immigration “impact statement”, analagous to the environmental ones required of developers. This is what we need, before letting anyone in.Trump saying he has H1-B holders “on his properties” puts the lie to the whole thing. He’s not talking about 0.1% engineers but people doing the dishes and laundry.
Musk’s 50% comment is not incompatible with his 0.1% comment, but as Steve points out on Substack, we need to have a better test than the GRE. Musk seems to be saying that some Ramaswamies will try to pass as 0.1% people by defrauding the system and you can ID the fraudsters with the GRE. Not total betrayal but Steve’s idea of making the test more rigorous is good. What they actually need is an immigration-specific test. Any test that is mildly challenging for Musk will do. This would be his greatest contribution: be the test-taker.
But actually the testing question doesn’t matter because Trump and Musk don’t care. The best we can hope for is deporting the Guatemalan guy who sets women on fire in the subway. That wouldn’t be nothing.
That’s wrong. We did not “learn that some people really do not like Indians.” The person who wrote that and anyone endorsing it must not have an internet connection. Indian hate has been a major trend for years and is the topic of the moment. It was like a year ago or more that “Indians are so bad they turned Canadians into full bigots” was the trend. Musk has yet to acknowledge any externality whatsoever from Indian immigrants and has yet to show he knows that Indian hiring gatekeeping even happens.
Peter the alternative was Kămălā Hærrıs and there were real results last time: in fact, Trump was so good, they had to wreck the world and their own credibility to try to make him look bad.
Musk simply doesn’t have a national identity. Nor, for that matter, a sense of justice.
You didn’t goad him into anything. Neither Steve nor anyone else here pays attention to the drivel you spout, you f**king idiot. Your act wore out a long time ago. Just go away, you yammering piece of crap.
Is Putin in the room with you now?
Why should the top of the gene pool get some special in? Blech. Just say no.
America’s traditional integration was nothing like “immigration” today, but rather simply the conquest of the American landmass from primitive hunter-gatherers by NW Europeans.
The “dirty little secret” of America’s immigration is that its only real benefit was to bring in more white people to dilute the 1619 mistake, and push up the white share.
That’s pretty much it. I’d say the Germans were a slight upgrade to the Anglos in farming and mechanical ability. Most groups–like my Irish ancestors–not. Just bodies. But these distinctions were minor. The main thing was white bodies. As long as these immigrants were both capable of and happy to integrate–to absorb traditional Anglo-American norms, throw in with, marry and be un-hyphenated Americans–and be loyal to their fellow Americans, it worked ok.
Then we–mistakenly–allowed in those do not share Western norms, hold themselves apart, are integration hostile, bitch and whine about Americans and refuse to throw in and be loyal. Waving in random foreigners is just insane. A recipe for an unpleasant quibbling, querulous empire–an imperial marketplace–not a nation. Which, of course, is what the people doing it want.
Yes, thanks.
Were the American pre-civil war plantation owners rich because of heir masterful skill in farming, or because they had access to a source of cheap labor? Obviously, the latter.
Musk and the other tech billionaires are not billionaires because they are so smart and entrepreneurial. They are billionaires because they have access to ready sources of cheap labor (via immigration and outsourcing).
In the 1940’s, 1950’s, and the first half of the 1960’s, America exploded into the greatest scientific and industrial power the world had ever seen. It used its opportunities to pick and choose the occasional Einstein, but otherwise had near zero immigration. Wages and living standards for workers soared. We then had many CEOs that built new industries, and they did very well – they lived in mansions, drove the best cars, ate the best food, flew first class – but they did not become (inflation-adjusted) billionaires. Because competition for workers forced – not an equal – but an equitable distribution of the gains.
The record is clear. We do need incentives, but we don’t need billionaires to create new industries etc. But billionaires require mass poverty in order to be billionaires.
“being a fellow Putin stooge”
Are you a Biden stooge? A stooge of a stooge?
“Waving in random foreigners is just insane. A recipe for an unpleasant quibbling, querulous empire–an imperial marketplace–not a nation.”
Whoops, too late, already there. Only question left is… now what?
Wanna know what the answer to that is?
Of course you spoken soon, and yes, it’s time to black pill.
Trump LOVES cheap labor. He hired illegals. He had his clothing line made overseas.
But you keep convincing yourself that he’s on the side of the (white) working class.
No, America has always been about people regardless of race, ethnicity, and religion coming here and forging their path.
It’s who we are.
Tragicomically, what everyone on both sides of the Twitter H1B debate doesn’t want to admit out loud is that the vast majority of Indian H1B technical talent is absolute dogshit. Not particularly smart. Not particularly knowledgeable. Not particularly productive.
They are, however, relatively docile and compliant and VERY HAPPY to live on shit salaries in shit corp apartment complexes in Fremont, Sunnyvale, Frisco and Redmond to name a few — because those are 1000x better than any job/place in India.
What few understand is that Big Tech is aware that the legions of Indians are not great programmers but strongly prefers them vs opinionated, smart white guys who are much harder to manage.
They’ll keep around a few of those guys as well compensated ICs (who drive the real innovation) but the rank & file programmers are barely productive Indians on H1B.
This is uniform across FANNG.
I also got the Gold Box for an Anon comment.
May have been the first ever awarded.
Boy, there was some gashing of teeth and rending of garments here over that, believe it or not!
“The America that Elon Musk can’t possibly imagine: “
I’m all for cultivating home-grown tech talent instead of underpricing it to death by importing a bunch of Indians and Chinese (and the occasional South African oligarchs).
That being said, NASA was boosted mightily by refugee Jews who fell into our lap courtesy of Hitler (not to mention those Nazis we Operation-Paperclipped), so it’s probably not the best argument for the point you’re making.
Robert Goddard was building rockets in the 1930s. No doubt the Germans must have advanced control theory and rocket propulsion like mad – it WAS wartime, but this was more about our getting the Germans before the Russians got the Germans.
No matter, perhaps the moon landing may have happened a half-decade later without them. It’s a perfectly fine argument I’m making. Look at those men there in the picture, HA.
Indeed, Dave, Trump was doing a pretty bang-up job on this during his 1st term. Especially, the trend was our friend.
Then though, when you do everything (or everything has to be done) under the radar by executive fiat and bureaucratic memos, it can get reversed on Day 1 of the next guy’s “reign”. It did.
Manhattan project was headed by Enrico Fermi, an immigrant from Italy. Apollo project was led by Wernher von Braun, an immigrant from Germany. Elon Musk is not the first immigrant pioneer. Andy Grove (Intel) from Hungary and Sergey Brin (Google) from USSR were/are also tech giants. Demanding technical innovation be native may not be a winning strategy. Unfortunately, though, immigration may not help us to win without a major restructuring of how we view STEM from children’s education onwards. Ramaswamy was being right but disagreeable in making this important argument. Both Musk and Ramaswamy, not being politicians, do not know how to frame the debate and argue persuasively without resorting to ugly language. The proper place for this debate is Congress which is missing in action on critical issues like this.
That wouldn’t work. There are several Leftists among STEM faculty in Western Universities, and they enable immigration frauds.
Elon, we hardly knew ye
Just couldn’t wait til after 1.20 to start something
With the US taking the lead globally for STEM jobs
And with many of the world’s top notch STEM University programs coming from US universities, and many of the professors are in fact native born US citizens.
Therefore, it stands to reason that…wait for it…this whole H-1B Visa thing is basically a scam, or rather a form of yet again, corporate welfare handouts to the top 1% Silicon Valley types who simply don’t want to hire and have to then pay native born American STEM workers the wages they’d have to pay actual citizens, AND a pension, AND benefits (e.g. medical, etc)
Yup, when it comes right down to it, the 1% is gonna 1%, and at the expense of the 99%.
The US has roughly a population of about 330 million. There are certainly more than enough STEM workers for hire, IF…the 1% really wants to hire native born Americans.
Whether its Tech gazillionaires or Agribusiness gazillionaires, they all use the same BS argument “There aren’t enough native born Americans to do these jobs”
Uh, on one level, sure. Americans DONT want to be hired for STEM OR Agribusiness jobs,…at 1980’s wages (when adjusted for inflation) with no benefits or pension. Funny how that works. Workers don’t want to be serfs in their own homeland.
Otherwise it’s total BS. There ARE more than enough US born workers for hire. It’s a matter of: DO the 1% want to hire native born Americans for these jobs? (And then have to deal with all that goes with it, such as paying into Social Security, and other benefits)
Constantly and consistently, for the top 1% the answer appears to be no, they don’t want to have to hire native born Americans. Period.
When the likes of Steve Bannon AND Nikki Haley get it right…we hardly knew ye, Elon
“There is nothing wrong with American workers or American culture. All you have to do is look at the border and see how many want what we have.We should be investing and prioritizing in Americans, NOT foreign workers”–Nikki Haley
Uh, Steve?
It’s beginning to sound like:
First they outsourced the bottom wage jobs, but since not everyone gave a rat’s behind about those jobs, and so we said nothing.
Then they insourced the STEM jobs to be filled with plenty of foreign dots and eggrolls, but not everyone works in those kinds of jobs, and so we said nothing.
Finally along came AI, to help wipe out the remaining jobs left that people would like to do.
But there was no one left to help unite vs the onslaught of destroying US native born workforce.
So millions upon millions of US workers unemployed or underemployed.
And then the 1% decided to lobby to cut social programs, and remove what little bit of safety net there remained in the US for actual native born Americans, because after all, that’s the wrong kind of “welfare” (the kind that doesn’t benefit the 1%)
During this century beyond all doubt, there really are becoming Two Americas–one (the native born) that’s being hollowed out, and the other one that’s bought, paid for, and controlled by the 1% (and not all of them are American citizens at that, much less feel that they owe their allegiance to the historical nation that is known as the United States of America).
Stupid button….”Agree”!
Firm but fair!!
Derbyshire came on H1b visa himself but has spent last two decades railing against the same H1b.
He wants to restrict H1b to Einsteins but he himself is no Einstein.
Also agree here….more stupid “Agree” button!
Shut up Corby! Nobody cares about your bleats from moms basement!
A first cut at political wisdom–or at least parsing all the media and academic dreck from America–is to ignore everything American Jews say. If they say “the sky is blue”, time to get out your spectrometer. They do not have your interests, your nation’s interests at heart.
Rather look at what Jews actually do in their own country.
Good.
I am not on Twitter at all and so I am somewhat surprised that its owner, the richest man maybe in the history of the world, uses that kind of language. I do not mean to be a prig but that seems egregious.
I take it though that that is standard fare over there? Yeesh.
Maybe the point is that Idiocracy is when even the high IQs debase themselves in just the way Elon Musk does on Twitter.
I hear he is also into hard drugs.
Not even wrong. There were few prominent Jews among NASA’s early personnel, and NASA was only created in 1958. You’re thinking of the Manhattan project, and even there the prominence of Jews is usually overstated.
“Robert Goddard was building rockets in the 1930s…perhaps the moon landing may have happened a half-decade later without them.”
And Tsiolkovsky derived his rocket equation decades earlier. Without the help of the scientists Hitler dumped in our lap (or that we went out of our way to secure) we might have easily been beaten to the moon in those 5 years by the Soviets (who had already beaten us in putting a man into space).
We imported 1,600 Nazis into the space program just by way of Operation Paperclip. That’s already more than what I see in your photo (assuming none of those Germans are also there, given that you couldn’t tell something like that just by looking).
Also wrong. That’s the total number brought over, according to Wikipedia. They weren’t all rocket engineers. The original paperclip team that formed the nucleus of the ABMA was just over 200.
You’re awfully sure about so many things you know nothing about.
But we all knew that.
OT: the LOL Superman video. Real, or mass delusion?
As the 9/11 attacks on the World Trade Center unfolded an anonymous videographer – a Chinese tourist, accord to some accounts – took a video from the complex’s central plaza. Unlike the countless other videos taken that day this one, which bears the nickname LOL Superman, shows close-up views of jumpers from WTC 1 (the North Tower) hitting the ground at terminal velocity and basically exploding. Some are as close to ten or twenty feet from the videographer.
LOL Superman is a horrifying video … if it ever existed. It supposedly was on such now-defunct gore sites as Rotten and Ogrish, and many people swear up and down that they saw it, but diligent, even obsessive searches have found nothing. From what I gather, it’s surprisingly hard for things to vanish from the Internet without a trace. Not to mention the premise is strange. No sane person would stand around calmly filming while bodies are slamming into the ground in very close proximity.
What I believe is that the people who claim to have seen LOL Superman actually have seen (a) videos of the debris-filled plaza, and (b) videos showing jumpers (landings not visible), and have added the two in their minds with the added element of exploding bodies. It’s really the only thing that makes sense.
There is one video which actually shows a jumper landing, but it’s a distant view with only a pink cloud visible:
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A Boeing 737-800.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeju_Air_Flight_2216
Look into The Magnitsky Act (film).
The Zionist Entity has a ton of cleaners and manual laborers from The Tagalog-Speaking Entity and The Thai Entity. You’ve never heard of it because they do their job and don’t make trouble.
Fancy special edition books are catching on:
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/27/books/deluxe-book-editions-decorated-edges.html
Oddly, the special edition of Noticing didn’t make the article.
This is the oldest trick in the book – divide your enemy and let him conquer himself. M and R need to go to work trimming excess federal employees as planned.
Vivek is full of Brahmin superiority complex BS. White males have been systematically held back in STEM for two generations by Democrat female teachers who created toxic classrooms.
LOL
The first law for American immigration limited it to white people in 1790.
But you knew that. It’s amazing how easily you anti-whites lie. In another context, you would be condemning the founding fathers as white supremacists. It’s all just some weird amoral game to you, just a way to work out your grudge against whitey. It gives meaning to your life.
This is being American Jews being on the left.
Leftist Israeli Jews are the same with their newspaper Haretz being in the news lately for excessive pro-Palestinian slant.
Musk gets article in Jewish KKR-owned “German” outlet
https://www.newsweek.com/elon-musk-afd-germany-welt-am-sonntag-2006969
Temporary residency visas should be for accredited employees of foreign governments and their dependents, authentic refugees and their dependents; and students, teachers, and their dependents. The only sojourners who should have a franchise to work in the United States are shipping and transportation employees (whose compensation would be booked to their home port), touring performers and lecturers (and their staff), and emergency service personnel. Talented people from India should go through the paces to obtain a settler’s visa to enter the United States or they should ply their trade in their home country. Settler’s visas are properly issued first-come-first-served to those who qualify to enter the queue for one. This is a country, not an industrial park.
Given your views– pick your own damn cotton– you would have been a Free-Soiler back in 1850.
Perhaps not very ardent one though– it was really necessary to take forcible steps to stop expansion of slavery in the West and not merely regret the unreasonableness of all parties.
Interesting.
What exactly does “excessive pro-Palestinian slant” mean? Being remotely pro-Palestinian? Acknowledging that Palestinians are human beings?
Then I like him better already. I don’t particularly care how somebody ended up on my side, as long as he’s on my side.
So? Why should I care? You aren’t making the point you think you are making.
It isn’t hypocrisy if you are telling the truth.
Trump haters HA and Corvinus have really gone after his supporters Vivek and Elon here. They may have ulterior motives. They are Zelensky fanboys and Elon and Vivek have expressed reservations about us supporting Zelensky, as has Trump himself. When it came to the anti-Putin Biden, HA and Corvinus muted their criticisms as he let millions of illegal immigrants stream across the border during the last four years. They obviously want to do everything they can to cause Trump to fail by encouraging internal divisions in his coalition in order to help bring the Democrats back into power.
Huh? Your point?
Yes, I would have been a Free Soiler. Never hidden my basic views–free people, nationalism, the right of people to form community as they wish and live and govern themselves according to their norms, republican government by productive and responsible men, parasite suppression, honest labor, improvement by technological progress. Yes, these are good things. Ergo, I’m against slavery, serfdom, cheap labor grubbing generally–as well as a bossy and unaccountable super-state.
The expansion of slavery or slavery as some kind of right–both to be fought against–is separable from the question of whether you go to war against the secession of slave states, rather than allow them to continue their backward system and wait for it to die out. One doesn’t have to fix everyone else’s patch to make your own patch great.
The also have no right to permanent residence, nor citizenship.
They are basically equipment rental. I don’t like it. I have different views about labor than the Jewish paradigm. But you’ll note, that they absolute do not let their cheap labor grubbing disrupt their idea that Israel belongs to them. Contrast with the Mayorkas program for America.
This is embarrassing even for you. Troll better.
I have an acquaintance who administers the practical, on-the-road portion of the CDL driver’s test in Pennsylvania. Starting last year, candidates have been allowed to bring an English language translator along for the test. I remarked to him that I supposed Hispanics were heavily represented. He replied that no, it was mostly Russians and Indians who were showing up for testing.
You can imagine the opportunities for malfeasance that arise.
If Musk wants more highly skilled workers why does he not recruit some Americans and train them up?
Nobel Laureate Angus Keaton Schools Liberal Economist Paul Krugman on How Mass Immigration Causes Income Inequality.
I trust neither Musk, Ramasmarmy, nor Trump. I don’t trust Musk as he is a billionaire meglomaniac. I don’t trust Ramasmarmy as he a shifty Indian conman. I don’t trust Trump as he is a vain, moronic, shallow blowhard (made no better by his increasing senility) who betrayed our trust within a year of coming to office the first time.
They are all of them guilty until proven innocent, as far as I’m concernec. I don’t have to like or believe HA or Corvinus – both of whom are loathsome swine and whom I despise – to mistrust the new government.
Then you’ll have to support all black, hispanic, and moslem robbers, rapists, maimers and murderers.
Correction: Nobel Laureate Angus Deaton Schools Nobel Laureate Paul Krugman on How Mass Immigration Causes Income Inequality.
Trump was not a good President. The wall was a joke, no substantive progress was made against immigration, the woke plague actually got worse while he was in office, the Floyd rioting and chaos all happened under his watch, his administration was incredibly corrupt, even compared to the Clintons (who were/are much worse than the Bidens), he made America look weak and ineffective to the Chinese and Russians, inflation is a direct result of the deficit caused by Trump’s spending spree and tax cuts, and on and on. Now he’s even older and less in control, I see little reason to be optimistic.
I do think Kamala, who would have been a weak unpopular President, would actually have provided conservatives a lot more opportunity to make progress on policy than Trump will. This is the law of unintended consequences that usually plays out in American politics. Left wing Presidents drive the country to the right and right wing Presidents drive the country to the left.
Over on X or Twitter or whatever, there’s a good debate with me leading the charge to get Elon Musk to stick with his December 26th suggestion of just visas for top 0.1% of foreign talent…
It’s only a debate over 0.1% of your replacement, goy.
People like Sailer and Musk can only exist within well funded government funded operations.
Set adrift on the general population with no artificial mass support to back them up all of their bullshit subject matter would go nowhere.
They’d be eaten alive.
It’s a constant amazement to me that Steve can keep running this scam.
Steve’s longevity is testament to the idiocy of mericans brought about their diet combined with massive jewish influence
I think we could have done better than Trump. That was not an option in the last election, though. The other options beside Trump were Kamala Harris, a third party candidate or stay home and don’t vote on election day. I do not have any criticisms of those who stayed home but for me personally I decided Trump would be somewhat better than Harris and voted for him.
Real world politics often involves making compromises and accepting that “half a loaf is better than none”. I wanted Ron Paul but I didn’t get him. I got delivered a choice of Donald Trump, Kamala Harris or a third party candidate unlikely to win. I made the best of a bad situation and voted Republican.
We are unlikely to get the necessary reforms in this country until things are worse in this country. It will be like the alcoholic or drug addict hitting bottom and recognizing if they don’t change they will die. Plenty of drug addicts and alcoholics die and plenty of empires go into a permanent decline and never recover so there is no guarantee we will come out of this ok, just a possibility.
“Indian H1B technical talent is absolute dogshit.”
Yep. When I get a work order from an Indian “engineer” I usually slow-walk it or put it in the stasis chamber, because the design is invariably wrong, and I have to wait for a white guy to clean it up. Which is faster and cheaper than making it to the Indian’s design only to find out it doesn’t work.
Thank you for this important comment, Mr. Smith. The discussion has been about Americans v foreign workers in technical fields. Trucking is not that, but then it’s not hotel housekeeping either. Yes, it was much more American-family-affording employment in the time of the Smokey and the Bandit movies and well beyond.
Also, as you’ve written nicely, having unprofessionals out there (even if it’s just the BS – never used to happen – of one big rig trying to pass another on a 4-lane for 5 miles!) is not a good thing and gets people killed. I wonder if anyone whose family members have been killed by incompetent truckers could possibly get Trump’s attention for some mention of this. It’s not just violence from the deliberae murderers and the standard Hispanic DUI deaths.
Deported 16 times! That’s a record for me, in my reading of so many of these criminals having been deported multiple times. I’ve seen twice a lot, 3x, 5x, but 16! What good does deportion do without a serous border barrier?
I’ve heard that safety is no accident, so drive wrecklessly. Speaking of this, is been years, and I wonder how my old chums from Traffic School have been doing. I quit taking the Alumni magazines (3 different schools) – they were nothing but one obituary after another …
I still have 3 extra prints from a blurb about me (yes, hanging on the wall behind the other toilet):
Achmed E. Newman proudly displays his latest Highway Department print-out. He’s down to 4 points. Lettuce Amuse U Traffic University celebrates our wreckless graduates!
Tik-Tok should be banned because it is stealing Americans’ credit card numbers and sending drones to spy on the Pentagon, but for the sake of equality Facebook should also be banned.
Recently Facebook has published advertisements to customers in Bermuda and Barbados telling them that the post offices of those two islands are selling off lost parcels for $1.98.
This is not true and of course it is a scam so that Americans can obtain people’s personal information.
You may also want to abolish the IRS for the same reason that it obtains people’s personal information.
I hope you are reading this Mr. Trump! God bless you sir! Once you send the American people’s armies to take back the Panama canal and Santa’s workshops at the North Pole, people will see that you are serious and not just some kind of cartoon bad guy.
I think your idea of putting VAT on all imported goods is splendid. In no time at all millions of Americans will be employed on repairing pots and pans and selling American-made clothes pegs door-to-door (except in gated communities.)
We can go back to having American-made bicycles to replace internal combustion engines, and play sports with american-made tennis rackets and golf clubs on American grass.
I would also suggest that you ban the sale of things with foreign names. For example hamburgers, pizzas, and quiche.
I am sure that most people will welcome the 50% tax on imported coffee.
Here is a quick tip for you to get rid of illegal immigrants. Start sending billionaires to prison with hard laborr for life if their companies are caught employing illegal aliens. When a few billionaires see the heads of other billionaires on pikes, they will quitly take care of the whole immigration issue for you and you won’t have to do a thing.
Here is another tip. Elon Musk is a wonderful advisor, but don’t let him get unto your feet. Send him on a fact-finding mission to Mars so that he feels important. By the time he gets back another administration will be in office.
If you study the careers of your peers in former colonies in South America, you will probably find that it is a good idea to abolish opposition parties and appoint yourself President for Life. Future elections can be managed by holding them on Tik-Tok so that the results can easily be changed to show that you won 99% of all votes.
While I agree with you about those past examples like Fermi and Grove, I think both sides of this H1-B debate are fighting the last war. H1-B visas granted per year has been stable for a couple decades now and is dominated by Indian IT consultants doing low-level software automation that doesn’t pay as well. Software is now a global marketplace and all the best products are produced by globally distributed teams all over the world, communicating through the internet. That model is slowly spreading to all office work: the notion that you can build products purely with US labor that can compete globally is beyond idiotic.
However, that also has many benefits for those who don’t like immigration, ie the foreigners don’t have to come to the US for American office workers to collaborate with them. I personally collaborate with engineers at the largest US tech firms who are spread out all over the world, from London to Bangalore to Tokyo. Even if your business is not that large to have overseas employees, if you use any cloud services or open-source software, you are regularly dealing with people all over the world.
Also, I personally know several Indians who’ve gone back to India over the last couple decades, as their economy has opened up and is doing much better, not to mention those returning to the middle east and elsewhere.
The number of H1-Bs is irrelevant and will decline anyway. Focus on the shit education system and the declining tech stalwarts like google and Microsoft. It’s not a good sign that conmen like Elon and Zuck are the new famous billionaire entrepreneurs, as opposed to the more substantive Jobs and Koch in the recent past.
You cannot compete in this new global marketplace by just fencing yourself in- look at the decline in Xenophobic Japan over the last couple decades- but you do not need to take any foreigners in either: you just have to work with them online.
Yep, just as the Mexican influx in the 1990s destroyed the working class, this Indian influx will destroy the middle class.
A few numbers:
GDP (PPP) per capita: USA $86,600. China $26,300 India $11,110
Average IQ of India 76
On the Corruption Perception Index India ranks 93rd out of 180 countries.
Both the GDP per capita of India and its IQ are basically African level,
and we’re supposed to be impressed by the Indian labor force, and the
Indian immigrants?
Elon’s cave-rescue submarine. Works in a swimming pool, so, logically, hey, it will work in a cave.
Bill Gates proposed a residential toilet for the rural third world, cost: $1,000 per unit. Even The NY Times was obliged to point-out this was stupid. Being smart in the IQ sense, the college-board sense, (like Jimmy Carter) can be wildly discordant from being real-world smart, to state the obvious. I can recall instances of my being Jimmy Carter here on Unz, whereupon commenters politely came to my rescue.
“LOL. The first law for American immigration limited it to white people in 1790”.
The deranged anonys strike again. I do know this little nugget of info. I also know that the Foijdere enabled “we the people” to change such laws for our posterity.
In this context, you would be condemning the founding fathers as anti-white. It’s all just some weird amoral game to you, just a way to work out your grudge against our kind. It gives meaning to your life.
It’s not trolling, it’s just me telling it straight.
The embarrassment is you denigrating German and Irish stock as being “just bodies”.
So Musk’s filter is in effect a financial filter. Bringing in an immigrant is the same analysis as a corporation uses when it decides to hire one more employee – will this person contribute more than we have to give them? If it is a net positive, we should “hire” them.
This is a much simpler analysis for a business – you just have to figure out how much salary you are paying that employee this year and how much more revenue he will bring in. Even then, you might have to do a deeper analysis – maybe you have to rent more office space so that employee has a desk so you have to add that to his salary, etc.
But for an immigrant, you have to consider many more factors, unto the 7th generation. It’s pretty common among 3rd world immigrants that dad is a pretty hard working guy. But then he has kids and the kids are negatively influenced by American culture and instead of being hard workers are juvenile delinquents. And dad maybe brings over his wife and her parents and his parents, none of whom are working. If you are Wal-Mart (or Tesla) and you hire dad, he is a net positive because you don’t have to pay for all of the others, but as a nation we do.
Then there are all the intangible factors of shifting a nation’s culture. Immigration is like putting salt in your soup. A little is good and a lot is too much.
Derbyshire has sound opinions and is more than culturally and ethnically adjacent to white Americans. I have no problem bringing him in.
That’s not who H1Bs are bringing in nowadays. Don’t be dense.
If you’re not European-American (AKA “White”), you’re not an American.
Period.
I can’t go overseas and be a Jap or a curry chomper. That’s a no brainer.
That being said, our culture has indeed gone down the sewer. I always say that this country started going to hell at the same time that White people started smoking dope in any significant number.
Utopian White cucks back in the 50s and 60s dreamed of niggroes turning into Dark-skinned Whites– a notion that’s as stupid as dreaming of turning dog schitt into fudge brownies.
The bitter reality is not just that niggroes didn’t become White, but that many Whites have become niggroized. A bunch of pale dysfunctional clowning worthless niggroes–but without the cohesiveness and self-confidence that even those clowns have–like everyone but modern YT has.
Whites have given away the store, becoming soft, cowardly, lazy, self-hating, and decadent. The reason that dot heads and Asians succeed in America is mainly because they behave just like White Americans did up until the past few decades.
Ya gotta love the Fermi-Einstein argument. That is not who Musk and Vivek are arguing to bring in, and that is not who is going to come.
Hi Adam,
Thanks very much for the links and your insight. I very much agree with your observations. Most here know I’m a teamster (before that I did operations mgt/dispatch for intermodal carriers), so I have a couple of thoughts on what you said.
One thing to keep in mind when one reads an article about driver layoffs or even construction layoffs is that those layoffs are a normal, seasonal occurrence in the winter months. Most or more of those tradesmen will be rehired in the spring.
However, your links are specifically referring to freight haulers, OTR and regional, and seeing layoffs in October and November is concerning because typically the Christmas/end of year season creates a demand for more trucking as people are buying presents and builders/manufacturers/etc want to get as much of their freight delivered before the next year brings in price increases.
In my experience there are several factors at play here: 1. The largest OTR carriers in the US are squeezing these smaller carriers out of business, just like McDonalds does to a local mom & pop burger joint when it opens a store in somewhereville. They do it the same way: By undercutting rates temporarily until the little guy goes under. 2. A lot of these companies will shutter, file Chapter 11, lay everyone off, and then reopen under a new company name and rehire some or all of their drivers. This action gets them out of several financial obligations, including paying the driver any owed wages. Drivers then have to sue to get paid, but most don’t bother because the process is not designed to help them. I saw this with intermodal carriers back when I did that. 3. When you see a company layoff its employed drivers but not its contracted drivers, then they are simply getting out from under having to pay health and welfare benefits. Contracted drivers, or owner/operators, simply get a % of the drayage fee and that’s it. Carriers are more able to deny accountability in an accident or some other kind of incident, as the o/o is not technically an employee.
Well there are two reasons: to keep wages down (freight hauling wages have been stagnant for over 25 years.) and to destroy the white working class.
The “driver shortage” issue is more complex. There is a shortage of competent drivers, for sure, to include material hauling. My company had been lowering its minimum experience requirements to the point where now, an applicant needs no driving experience at all! Plus, with the implication of the CSA back in the mid oughts, there is also a shortage of insurable drivers. Carrier insurance companies absolutely dictate hiring and safety policy for their carrier. Insurers have had to concede on things like “minimum driving experience” but they compensate by installing very unreasonable safety policies upon these new drivers or their trucks.
If I had to guess, carrier insurers have been incentivized to “play ball” with hiring immigrant drivers, or carriers flat out ignore the laws and hire people that have no business riding a bicycle, let alone operating an 18 wheel combination vehicle.
Fortunately my line of work has been largely insulated from drivers originating from Asia and Africa (not to include US born negroes) and my local specifically has relatively few US born negroes. But most of our newer drivers are mestizos, and they are as a group a huge downgrade. Half of them show up to work half drunk, plus most of them couldn’t give less of a f*** about the job or providing good service to our customers.
Not even the top 1%. It is not an economic issue. And HBD is about much more than just IQ. How about a 20-year moratorium on immigration excepting world renowned scientists, a few prominent dissidents (think Ayaan Hirsi Ali – maybe 100 per year) and (probably not feasible) ethnically compatible Whites, ideally from fellow Anglosphere countries (eg fleeing White South Africans; disaffected Brits and Australians et al).
I’ve spent enough time in the tech sectors of the Bay Area and Seattle (Eastside suburbs) and will be the first to admit they are clean, economically prosperous and you won’t get mugged. But they’re just not America, and I want to live in America. I spent some of my childhood in a small White town, and while it was – by the standards of Musk – inferior to San Jose or Bellevue, I would take it over the those cities any day and twice on Sunday.
Per EO Wilson – Globalism: wonderful theory, wrong species.
Yes, Trump is taking the lead by acquiescing to Musk’s policy. So he is directly involved.
But you just celebrate that tens of billions of dollars will be spent on deporting illegals, while yellow and brown men with high IQs take American jobs from white men with high IQs.
In the meantime, free speech champion Musk will squelch the Laura Loomers of the world from pointing out Trump’s hypocrisy on X.
Totally at odds with Musk’s success with SpaceX, and I think the same for Tesla but I don’t follow it.
No one else on the Earth has achieved anything like SpaceX, which comes from a business model driving unprecedented technology now starting its second generation. Cheap labor did not grant it a magic ability to autonomously land first stage Falcon 9 boosters and reuse them up to twenty four times and counting, catch payload fairings as they flutter down to the Earth, catch Superheavy with chopsticks, or fly the first full-flow staged combustion engines, three dozen at a time in six wildly successful Starship+Superheavy test flights. With live TV of reentry!!!
Cheap labor does not allow it to build and navigate the Starlink fleet of over seven thousands satellites in orbit, to make more launches in 2024 than everyone else combined, and what should be 80-90% of all the mass lofted off the earth this year (it was 82% in 2023).
Compare to billionaire Bezos’ and his Blue Origin, which is not cash constrained like SpaceX was at the beginning and was established before SpaceX. They have yet to put a pound into orbit, although they did just get FAA approval for their first orbital text (and their most advanced methalox engine has successful powered the first stage of ULA’s new rocket in two tests, with two of those engines in each). Amazon’s Kuiper competitor for Starlink has two tests satellites in orbit.
Tesla, I see some evidence of superior execution, like frequent claims their chargers are the mostly likely to be actually working when you try to use them, and the US industry converging on using their design as well as network. Or their ability to build and run their own battery manufacturing plants, that’s not easy as that European debacle proved, which indeed tried to pull it off which cheap imported labor.
If you can’t see how Musk is both smart, like the decision to use stainless steel for Starship and Superheavy, and entrepreneurial with three wildly successful companies (I’m counting Starlink as the third), you’re not living in reality.
Even after Xwitter turned on the censorship WRT to this debate that’s not true, based on my reviews of it in the two previous days.
It may not be widespread knowledge, but there are plenty of us who’ve had to deal with Indians in IT who are not shy about being “racist” in relating our experiences in detail. A lot of the rest of the anti-H-1B crowd have heard this and I saw many repeating it, but necessarily only in general terms.
Note for many companies or subunits of then, this is not a disqualifying issue, for in addition to the “docility” that comes from being indentured servants you mention (which becomes vicious when they get real power), I’ve believed for some time their best feature pertains to most IT projects failing. So they’re a cheaper way to fail.
Much to unpack here, given that this particular anony debased themselves in the past.
“This is in large part because Musk’s Afrikaner and British ancestors decided that, instead of repelling the Bantu invasion that came down into SA from the north”
The British had invaded this part of the world. The Bantus were here prior and were defending themselves.
“So that they’d instead employ the Bantus as cheap labor.
Capitalists then and now are well known for exploiting workers.
“They were the ones who built the country and made it habitable”
The people who were there had a thriving civilization. You are referring to whites who wanted to make it livable for themselves.
“They brought the irrigation and agricultural technologies to its deserts thereby supporting the creation of cities and large populations”
That’s fine.
“in a land which was previously only capable of providing for a sparse population of pastoralist Hottentots.”
That is a simple, idyllic lifestyle. Nothing inherently wrong about it as you imply.
“But now the Afrikaners are a small persecuted minority in the country they built.”
Considering that Afrikaners had plundered and persecuted the local population, they are reaping what they sow. It’s God’s will.
“Where will the average white American seek refuge?”
There are a plethora of communities. I suggest White City, IL.
“The greed and myopia of the Western Anglo capitalist class knows, apparently, no bounds … Maybe that’s too cynical though. Is it really “greed” – or is it ideological? What is it?”
It’s greed based on the ideology of taking advantage of other people by any means necessary.
“Furthermore, the Israelis are motivated by tribalism, nationalism, common purpose, common interest, common blood and common bond”
So are Americans. You get this notion that Americans = white. Hate to break it to you, but Americans are from different races, ethnicities, and religions. Always has been, always will be.
“Unfortunately, autistic, myopic, zero-noblesse-oblige oligarchs who want to dump all the negative externalities of their foreign labor onto their fellow citizens”
Well, you voted for Trump. This is what you get, good and hard. That’s why you don’t trust billionaires. And Stephen Miller.
“Make it 85th percentile of GRE, which is 1 standard deviation above the midpoint…”
No, if Elon wants the top 0.1% of the talent, he needs to be willing to pay them an 0.1% salary, so put a minimum wage on those H1-B’s.
Elon won’t do that, of course. He wants H1-B’s not because he wants genius, but because he wants drones willing to work his 80-hour-a-week jobs with no pay. He made that clear already, but you had to pay attention
But a the source of the link indicates, even Indian programmers are shaking their heads at that.
And there’s a lot more, like the (((NSF))) starting a campaign in the 1980s for cheaper scientific labor which strongly favors third worlders in graduate studies. And more recently gross discrimination in undergraduate admissions against whites and especially white males as we’ve extensively discussed here. If you’re a detested white male your job prospects have become dim in the last decade or so.
The problem with this substantially correct take is that it strengthens the short term case for STEM immigration. If the talent these companies need today isn’t available from legacy Americans, what else can they do? I’d be willing for a lot of them to just DIE, but not SpaceX, or Xwitter given its demonstrated power under Musk.
However there’s no so much of a shortage for programming and the like, especially after 2023-4’s mass layoffs, and Musk’s complaints are likely colored by his 2022 purchase of Twitter making him literally public enemy #2 (Vivek is not a success in business except as a grifter).
Most people in Silicon Valley can’t work for Musk without crimping or eventually losing their careers, their social circiles, and if they’ve got a clue, they can see the holiness spiral they’re trapped in going genocidal unless stopped by main force. Ditto for their families.
“Demanding technical innovation be native may not be a winning strategy.”
There’s a difference between demanding and encouraging, and I’m opting for the latter. It’s still gonna cost us — just like all those subsidies we pay to home-grown (and relatively expensive) farmers in order to stay self-sufficient in food — but it’ll cost us a lot less than relying on China and India for our high-tech.
And I’ll be the first to agree with you that Vivek makes a valid point when he says that there’s too much high-school emphasis on tossing around pigskins, and not enough about grabbing a high-quality sheepskin. But you don’t get nerds to dedicate their lives to learning how to program if, after all that training and hard work, their job is just going to be given to a bunch of foreigners, either by outsourcing or by way of H1-B’s.
“Unfortunately, though, immigration may not help us to win without a major restructuring of how we view STEM from children’s education onwards.”
Exactly. To that end, a Department of Education that worried more about cultivating home-grown talent and less about pronouns and where to put tampon dispensers would be an example of the kind of major restructuring we need — just like the major restructuring that was needed in order to put a man on the moon — but Vivek just wants to gut all that and preen himself on “efficiency”. He preaches self-made entrepreneurship, but his and Elon’s track record is full of inflated numbers, shady accounting, and thick with the government subsidies he’s been put in charge of excising.
In the end this is either an example of Conquest’s Second Law, or else part of Moscow’s grand designs, or a combination of both:
And the key to making that work is Moscow’s realization that Trump supporters are “not very smart”, “rednecks”, and “primitive people” who you have to talk to with “cliches and dumb slogans”. So I say this as an aside, to all the fanboys out there who have helped out your boy Putin by being the chumps he hoped you would be — thanks a lot, guys! You got played yet again. If it weren’t for the fact that we’re all going to suffer as a result, I’d say it couldn’t have happened to a more deserving bunch of saps.
In other words, Musk is a hypocrite. It’s OK to say that word. And your boy Trump is enabling him to alienate the MAGA base.
Let me add a point that I’ve not seen anyone comment on yet in this thread. This is slightly in Musk’s favor. Mostly because we’ve run out of COWG’s (explained herein), general demographic changes, the reliance of software to do too much of our thinking for us, and no small factor from the long-term societal screwage from the Covid PanicFest, things have gotten shoddier, because people have gotten on the whole less competent at their jobs. I’ve seen this everywhere.
I’ve not been in the corporate engineering or IT world lately, so I can’t speak for it. However, I can see where it would not be so easy to find the sharp, competent, and personable White men engineers of 25 years ago. Musk is frustrated, and the only way he sees to get hardworking competent engineers of any race/ethnicity is to arrange for 10’s of thousands of these, yes, Indentured Servants. They can at least be made to work long hours and incompetency can be minimized by the fear factor or quick and easy replacement.
That’s not saying this is any good for America and Americans, but he might feel he has not choice. He and the tech bros do have a choice, but it would take time. Government screwage in the economy has a built in bug – some would call it a feature – that it’s not easily reverisble.
“If you can’t see how Musk is both smart, like the decision to use stainless steel for Starship and Superheavy, and entrepreneurial with three wildly successful companies (I’m counting Starlink as the third), you’re not living in reality.”
On the other hand, he was a 100%-Democrat voter until 2022 and named his kid “X Æ A-12”. And let’s not forget the government contracts and subsidies that fueled his ascent. Speaking of which, let’s remember, as Icarus did, that past performance is not necessarily indicative of future results:
I see a lot of similarities here with Sam Bankman-Fried (not to mention a certain drug-addled and formerly brilliant statesman who wound up kicking off a world war and shooting himself in a bunker). SBF was likewise not only gifted and brilliant, but was also able to blow away the competition in his training simulations — i.e., an amazingly good risk-taker (until he wasn’t). And he eventually got sent away for taking risks with assets that weren’t his to risk. So the lesson there is if you want to be an entrepreneurial risk-taker, do it with your own dime. But if you want to risk MY life, I get to have a say. It doesn’t take a genius to make sense of that, but that seems to be something that plenty of geniuses tend to overlook.
This is correct.
If you can just bring in a single immigrant for a few years and have him or her pay into social security without any hope of ever drawing out, and pay into health insurance and never get sick, then that is a good deal for the country, because even though he will probably be sending remittances home, he will also spend a great deal of what he earns over the life of his visa in the USA.
But if they stay, and marry and have kids, the equation is changed. One day he will qualify for Medicare and Social Security retirement.
But then again, is the United States really in a unique situation globally in that it is overcrowded and impoverished and running short of resources because of third world immigration, as is apparently the case in Texas?
Surely the situation is the same in all the developed economies?
Why is the United States unable to train sufficient numbers of doctors and nurses to take care of its own population? What is going on?
Tesla’s Gigafactory in Austin is another example of the company’s genius. It went from an empty field to the start of production in less than two years, and is one of the world’s largest buildings with a stupendous 10 million square feet of production space.
In one episode, Zack got the highest SAT score.
I don’t know whether he uses ketamine or not but there is something wrong with him.
You can be a total genius and make horrible mistakes. Steve Jobs decided that he could treat his cancer with fruit juice. Didn’t work.
This is actually pretty funny. Corvinus should try teaming up with some of his new fellow Americans. Hmong? Haitians? Guatemalans? Bokharan Jews? Armenians? Maybe seduce a daughter or something and see what happens.
‘What do you mean ‘we,’ white man?’
Corvinus needs his ideology to be reality. But it’s not.
This could be a repeat of the Boris Johnson/Rishi Sunak disaster in the UK.
Elected on promises of reduced immigration, following the Brexit referendum which itself was a protest against mass EU immigration, Boris and Rishi opened the floodgates even beyond Blair’s dreams. As a result the Tory vote collapsed and Labour found that 32% of a low turnout gave them a huge majority.
Musk is flirting with Nigel Farage, the architect of the Brexit Leave project and now cutting away Tory votes with his Reform party. If Elon, as rumoured, funds him to the tune of a hundred million, we too could have open borders on steroids, courtesy of voters who want heavily reduced immigration.
The German Gigafactory was also in production two years after breaking ground.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gigafactory_Berlin-Brandenburg
I programmed alongside and trained a load of Indian guys and gals specifically brought in to maintain the systems Brit staff used to look after, and I was very pleased when most of them, having learned new skills in the UK, promptly decamped to other employers back in India.
But they weren’t code gods. What they were was cheap.
Argument ad Hitlerium
That’s not even Japanese. “Ga” is not an interrogative it; defines the subject of a verb.
What’s the point of pretending you know Japanese when it’s obvious you have zero knowledge of that language?
You should go back to telling how you lost a nail and left blood on the keyboard playing chopsticks or whatever it was. That I can believe.
“Is Putin in the room with you now?”
Yeah, right — it’s just a total coincidence that both Vivek and Elon and people like David Sacks are enthusiastic Putin fanboys. No connection whatsoever.
Weird how the fanboys are geniuses at connecting the dots when it comes to, say, the you-know-whos, but when it comes to anyone else, even those who gleefully admit that they are trying to dismantle America brick by brick, they’re all “I just don’t see it — I think you’re being paranoid.”
Do you really think that kind if intentional blindness won’t backfire on you at some point and are you sure the crocodiles you’re hoping will eat you last won’t decide to take a bite out of someone who’s closer to home and even easier to catch? How does that seem to working out right about now?
“Steve Jobs decided that he could treat his cancer with fruit juice. Didn’t work.”
Jobs decided HIS cancer could be treated with fruit juice. Yes, it was a dumb choice, but it was his choice to make.
That would be a more fitting analogy if he had instead been appointed to head up some government agency — given what a smart and successful guy he was — and then deciding that everyone else’s cancer could be treated with fruit juice.
Agreed. One aspect of this argument that I think is a red herring is the discussion of those who worked on the space program and the nuclear program. You’re talking about a four-digit population of intensely trained individuals doing work which has implications for affairs of state. You might have a program to accommodate objects of this nature without having a generalized work visa program.
He lasted eight years with pancreatic cancer. That’s about the best you can do with or without fruit juice.
Ahh, the arrogant immigrant. We are so blessed.
Musk has more legitimacy here than say Jack D’s you’d all be a bunch of Ukrainian peasants without us Jews around shtick. At least Musk’s contributions are a strong net positive.
Yes, the world outside of America has plenty of smart dynamic people and it doesn’t hurt to pick up a few of them, who are otherwise compatible with Americans and–critically–willing to give up their old national/tribal attachments, throw in with and be loyal to their fellow Americans.
But what these takes miss is that it is not the immigrant that makes America strong, it is America that makes the immigrant strong.
Musk can leave and trot back to South Africa and see how successful he is building great companies there. But if Musk had never come to America, we’d still have electric car development, space rockets and financial payments skimming software here. America has been a terrific dynamic place because it is a continental sized piece of great geography conquered by competent Western white people. “Western white people at scale” is what made America great, and what allowed immigrants to America to be great.
Kind of agree with that comparison to an Austrian better left unmentioned. Musk obviously has tremendous intellectual gifts but a lot of what he has achieved is due to his optimism, drive, and infectious self belief. He operates at the limits of mental hyper strain as well as technology; one day that is going to lead to him doing something silly and taking others who take him at his own valuation down with him. But I suspect making money is not his main motivation, going around being important is.
Yes past success is no guarantee of continued future success. The
RussiansSoviets had the first satellite , the first animal and the first man in orbit. They also had put the first man made object on the Moon, in 1959! Under Brezhnev the Soviet Union went from having only three ICBMs capable of getting off quick enough for hitting the US in a war, to what was at least approaching an edge in viable ICBMs. In Ukraine, Russia shocked everyone with its disorganization and lack of grip, but its resilience and ability to keep going is eventually came to the fore. They are recruiting a large army and improving battlefield performance by soldiers with cash incentives. Russian technology is now highly cost effective. They are profligate with their use of manpower though.I see Musk as a Thomas Edison type, Edison was a great practical synthesizer of others ideas and promoter of his own companies but totally screwed up with DC power as opposed to Tesla’s AC. The campaign he waged against Tesla hurt Edison’s public image. Perhaps those decisions were something to do with his quaffing wine treated with coca leaves and needing laudanum to sleep.
I asked a young relative with highly relevant skills whether he was planning to go work for one of Musk’s space businesses. He said ‘no way!’ Apparently, the word is Musk is a draconian boss who demands workers put in an insane amount of hours a week (having persuaded J.P. Morgan to put of the money for the lightbulb, Edison worked three straight weeks on only 20 minute naps to get a practical product). Werner Von Braun got his chance because the other US project’s rocket blew up on launch and I have seen that attributed to them making mistakes through the team being driven much tooo hard.
Also on “X or Twitter”, smart-fraction foreigners doing jobs Americans won’t do– espionage:
Economists generally look at such things in global utility terms; that is the the immigrant winners win far more than the indigenous losers lose. The validity of the rights of the indigenous poor in nation states is not considered a valid argument. Immigration starts with higher quality people but has an inherent tendency to accelerate and draw in ever less less capable (because the diaspora makes it progressively easier to move to another country without much in the way of resources).
“Why is the United States unable to train sufficient numbers of doctors and nurses to take care of its own population? What is going on?”
The doctor’s cartel likes it that way. It keeps their income up.
Someone who ate a lot–sometimes nothing but–fruit throughout his life died in his 50s. Hmmm.
As a boss he was a driver, and Machiavellian. Maybe the sugar fueled that management style.
My entire life I’ve been told that we couldn’t compete unless we got all the wymyns into STEM jobs.
https://www.unilad.com/community/life/isla-moon-quits-lab-job-onlyfans-725466-20240206
Which very few entities could afford to hire.
If you can’t see how SpaceX has and continues to change the game with much lower costs through concepts we indeed had long ago when for example the Space Shuttle was envisioned as a fully reusable system … do you even see the value of much cheaper access to space? What can happen with each order of magnitude in lower costs (we’re seeing only so much of that from SpaceX right now as it funds Starship + Superheavy development, with Starlink only recently turning a profit).
Do you consider making humanity a multi-planet affair valuable, like to increase our chance of surviving extreme disasters here on earth (that’s more likely saving technological civilization, we’ve already gone through a roughly forty thousand population bottleneck long long ago)? Know anyone who lives where you couldn’t get affordable good Internet access prior to Starlink?
SpaceX, and only SpaceX, gives me a degree of tolerance towards Musk, while I’m not sure Ramaswamy has ever created net positive value for the people at large (quite the opposite; his only value ever has been as a verbalist against some of our common enemies).
You could put in the “competent Western white people” category, and his and our host’s based on the “top 0.1%” concept. But:
Past tense is very appropriate here, because there’s very little of that any more for reasons we’ve both extensively discussed.
So as you said, “it doesn’t hurt to pick up a few” “smart dynamic people” outside of America … but I don’t see how we can base public policy on Musk’s extreme example. We couldn’t for example know his potential in bending metal fields until he gained enough money from “financial payments skimming software” to exercise that talent. On the other side, see all the people who bet on Boeing’s Starliner and/or Blue Origin.
Meanwhile, we can effectively ignore his biased from his own life history pushing of immigration because his positions are not different than Trump’s since 2016 or I’m sure before, he’s not convincing anyone, and he is polarizing people to our side.
No Krauts, no von Braun, no lunar landing program in the 1960s.
Rootless cosmopolitan?
“Corvinus needs his ideology to be reality. But it’s not.”
I get it. The cognitive dissonance is way too powerful for you to overcome, so you resort to some fantasy in which only Europeans are “true” Americans. Never worked that way.
Was tuning across the AM band a couple of days back and heard this discussion from Dr. Mary-Jane Rubenstein.
About 10% of the Democrat vote is fake. That is amount the Florida Dem vote declined after DeSantis cleaned the state’s voter rolls of fake voters and improved election security.
Whatever the supposed “popular vote” result is, you have to knock down the D vote a few percentage points and then recalculate to find the real result that reflects the actual sentiment of the American electorate.
tl;dr: Trump is probably about a popular as Reagan was.
Only due to politics, and on both sides. Stalin sent his rocket scientists to the GULAG before WWII and that heavily contributed to later failures like the N-1 which competed with the Saturn V.
Eisenhower didn’t want to listen to the USSR and company complaining about orbital overflights for eternity so Werner von Braun’s most successful in the US team was required to put ballast in their rockets so they wouldn’t “accidentally” put something into orbit. If the Navy team worked too hard it was because they were the anointed one to put our first satellite in orbit and after Sputnik the pressure would have been insane, this was a massive shock to the US. von Braun and company were ready on day one.
Edison was a self-made man including in education after being taught the 3Rs by his mother and only spending a few months in school, plus one higher education chemistry course. AC requires calculus which he couldn’t do, although who can say what would have happened if he or someone under it came up with it.
Per credible MIT EECS department propaganda, his “promotion” of DC over AC which had him going around the country electrocuting dogs (!) failed overnight after a MIT team went to Colorado and set up an impossible for DC ten mile or more circuit to deliver power for water pumps in a silver mine (his DC system required a power plant in every neighborhood).
It’s an inflection point in America moving from or augmenting tinkerers and gadget makers to the modeled on the German system of understanding what was going on. See Diesel and his thermodynamics based engine.
The infamous SpaceX work/life imbalance absolutely isn’t for everyone; signing up for it is to get experience when you are young and/or because you believe in the dream. I don’t think anyone is going into it blind.
“But what these takes miss is that it is not the immigrant that makes America strong, it is America that makes the immigrant strong.”
America was developed and became strong by a wide range of immigrants, whether it be from England, Germany, China, or Kenya, whether it be the “historic” wave or the “old” wave or the “new” wave.
It’s who we are. Always has been. Always will be.
“I see Musk as a Thomas Edison type, Edison was a great practical synthesizer of others ideas and promoter of his own companies but totally screwed up with DC power as opposed to Tesla’s AC…”
I’ll just collapse my answer to a couple of comments into one. I agree that a big part of the problem here is assuming that Musk is any more gifted than dozens of other trust-fund babies who litter SV looking to “invest”. I’m reminded of the scam in which the conman sends out 1024 envelopes to random names in the phone book, with each one predicting the outcome of the home team’s next ten games. Assuming typical levels of innumeracy, there is a good shot that one guy at the end of those ten games will swear on a stack of Bibles that the conman a genius because he predicted all those games right on the money (and about ten others who think he’s pretty close) and they will be sitting ducks for whatever shady deal the conman then tries to spring on them.
Something similar could be happening here. There are far more than 1024 VC trust-fund babies floating around the Valley. Even several so-called genius plays by one VC or another (which are admittedly far rarer than wins in a binary game) are not necessarily statistically significant in the way people want to think assume. The so-called “Hot hands fallacy” is real, even when we can agree that the athlete in question is most certainly well above-average. And the fact that Musk made several good calls still doesn’t mean he’s fit to run the world, but given the levels of innumeracy when it comes to things like statistical significance, there are far too many people who think he’s one of the smartest people our civilization has ever produced and are wiling to follow through on whatever he says. Until something like this happens, and they wonder how they could have been so wrong (like those people who were wrong about SBF, or else the guy in the bunker).
As for me, I’ve seen the monstrosity that is the Cybertruck, and Musk’s “if LEGO can do it, so can we” e-mail. So much for genius. I have no doubt his Aspergers obsessiveness helps drive people in the way your relative claims, but in the end, he seems “hands on” in the way the Michael Scott character was, and in the buffoonish way that so many other mid-level managers who didn’t rise from the trenches turn out to be — apart from the hair transplants and the cosmetic surgery they get to look the part, they really don’t have a clue as to the actual substance of what they’re expecting their workers to do.
“I asked a young relative with highly relevant skills whether he was planning to go work for one of Musk’s space businesses. He said ‘no way!’ Apparently, the word is Musk is a draconian boss who demands workers put in an insane amount of hours a week”
I’ve heard similar rumors regarding other geniuses (we’re talking Nobel-level). At some point, you fly too close to the sun and get your wings burned off (though the guy I’m specifically referring to had the good luck to die before that happened, so there’s that). The worry should be about limiting the damage when the crash hits.
To the extent people want to cry about how they had no choice but to vote for Trump, given that Harris was the only alternative, maybe that resistance to get beyond the two-party paradigm — i.e. refusal to “throw away your vote” — is part of the problem. (And I’ll pass over your ridiculous rah-rah-Moscow schtick this once, except to say that not all the third-party candidates were Putin stooges.) At the very least, the Trump adulation was long overdue for a reality check, and I’ll bet some of the exact same people who were once making a meme out conservatives and cuckold fetishes are now become exactly what they despised, given that Trump is giving someone else to take a turn in screwing them over and expecting his base to just sit back and enjoy it. Anyone who thinks they can take that out on me or Corvinus or anyone else who has for whatever reason been issuing warnings for a while is just re-arranging deck chairs on the Titanic in order to feel better.
There is no “we” that includes “you”, you piece of garbage.
“About 10% of the Democrat vote is fake.”
Followed by…
“Trump is probably about a popular as Reagan was.”
This is a masterclass in gaslighting. Thanks for the XMas gift, hamster wheel.
Here is a thorough breakdown of H1B visa applications. What jobs they are and who is doing the hiring:
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1873174358535110953
The largest single applicant for H1B visas and 4 of the top 5 applicants are Indian owned job-shops. i.e., Indian companies who hire Indians for placement in America.
The H1B visa isn’t a visa program for American businesses. It’s a jobs program for Indians.
It should be shut down entirely.
I •Agreed even though the implication of this
is the Jack D-ish supposition that if it weren’t for immigrants, the US would be a black nation.
As Ben Franklin observed, (white) Americans had an epic rate of natural increase. Immigration—even white immigration—tends to suppress native fertility. So the 1790-1965 white immigration didn’t really dilute blacks so much as dilute native Anglo-Americans with various other white ethnics.
Jimmy Carter died, by the way.
The New Fermi Paradox: Where are they (the foreign 0.1 percentile in IQ)?
Can it be that there’s anybody here who has not yet noticed that SS has pretty much left the building?
And that what remains here is pretty much all Jew-hatred, all the time?
OT but significant news:
Jimmy Carter, 39th US President, Dead At 100
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2024-12-27/elons-two-positions-immigration
Thanks for posting that 210.
And thanks Dave for that column and your work on Twitter, basically pointing out the very different–basically contradictory–positions by Musk and challenging him to pick one.
How many blacks and hispanics can pass a Musk-style interview? 99% of this tiny group of candidate blacks can get a cushy Wall Street job for reasons Derbyshire explained in The Talk (Honky version). Most of the similarly capable Hispanics stayed home (easily employable in their home countries) while the riff-raff walked North to the USA. There are plenty of Whites with the genetic potential to do well in a Musk-style cognitive test, but 95% have been wrecked by our culture and education system. The answer is to fix the publicly mandated poor education and brainwashing instead of bringing in a large pool of unassimilable immigrants who will be reverting to their lower mean IQ anyway. However, this cultural correction process will take time and Musk is a pushy fellow. He thinks his projects are crucial and cannot wait for the cultural pendulum to swing.
O/T. RIP Jimmy Carter, a smart man and a good man. Of course, too smart and too good for a U.S. President.
Have Musk and his ilk move their companies to India. They can get all the workers they want.
And India will get SpaceX and Tesla.
US can do fine with Musk’s companies.
US needs to be a normal country, not pumped on hyperdrive of ‘win, win, win’ all the time.
We don’t need Hindus coming here to tape white buns.
He made a number of poor decisions in office and did not have the people skills to build relationships with members of Congress. A man with some desirable qualities, but in the wrong job.
America was developed and became strong by a wide range of immigrants, whether it be from England, Germany, China, or Kenya, whether it be the “historic” wave or the “old” wave or the “new” wave.
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Per the Maddison Project, we were one of the world’s most affluent countries in 1840. There’s no reason to believe mass immigration was all that crucial to American prosperity.
HA, HA, HA, HA!
The joke is on Vivek. Zack Morris is played by actor Mark-Paul Gosselaar, 1) who comes from an IMMIGRANT family (his siblings were all born outside the United States), 2) whose father is of Dutch JEWISH ancestry, and 3) whose mother is of ASIAN (Dutch Indonesian) ancestry.
Just as I said, it turns out Trump doesn’t use H1B workers…
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2024/12/29/despite-new-york-post-phone-call-and-question-on-the-matter-donald-trump-companies-do-not-use-h1b-visas/
“RIP Jimmy Carter”
Did a killer rabbit get him? I always thought the best decision Carter made was to appoint Paul Volcker as Fed chairman. Volcker followed a tight money policy that finally ended the high inflation of the seventies. By the time Volcker succeeded at this, though, Carter was out of office so Reagan received the benefits of it.
Elon Musk will make sure John Oliver gets deported.
“HA, HA, HA,…The joke is on Vivek. Zack Morris is played by actor Mark-Paul Gosselaar, 1) who comes from an IMMIGRANT family…”
Say my name three times, and, well, here I am. I can guarantee that a fair number of the “native-born” programmers who are going to lose their jobs if Vivek is allowed to swap them out or undercut their salaries down to Bangalore levels (to boost the bonuses of people like him) are likewise first-generation immigrants, whose skin is significantly darker than Zack Morris’s (and maybe even Vivek’s). Lots of other Asians, too — they will suffer the same fate. They have as much right to be ticked off as anyone else.
I know the reflexive retort of the left is always to shout “racist” at the earliest available opportunity, and this time that will be directed towards all who are upset with H1-B’s, but maybe for now they should just sit one out, and just keep munching on the popcorn and enjoying the fireworks.
“Per the Maddison Project, we were one of the world’s most affluent countries in 1840.”
OK
“There’s no reason to believe mass immigration was all that crucial to American prosperity”
JFC. Just stop. Immigrants and their children became the backbone of the American industrial workforce. In 1920, over half of manufacturing workers were immigrants or their children.
In 1920, over half of manufacturing workers were immigrants or their children.
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A matter of no interest. You’re telling me about the distribution of the workforce between different pursuits at a point in time. You’re not telling me whether or not per capita product would have been with a workforce with a different composition.
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The question at hand is was prosperity dependent on high levels of immigration. You can look at the published work of George Borjas published in 1996. The benefit to the extant population of labor migration amounted during his period of study to 0.1% of gross domestic product per annum.
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That aside, you can look at the experiences of countries which prospered with little immigration (Japan) or far lower levels than they experience today (Canada).
Yes. But make no mistake: Haaretz lefties are not doing it because they actually believe that Palestinians are humans and that genocide is bad. No, they do it because they hate Netanyahu. If they were in charge, the policies toward the outgroups would still be essentially identical.
Agree
“You’re telling me about the distribution of the workforce between different pursuits at a point in time.”
No, the historical record shows that the influx of cheap labor fueled the growth of American manufacturing in the late 1800s, which in turn led to a higher rate of industrial production per person.
“You’re not telling me whether or not per capita product would have been with a workforce with a different composition.”
Then go right ahead and make the case. You’re not offering any support for your assertions.
Regarding Professor George Borjas, his work centers not on the time period (late 1800s) at hand. Nice try on the bait and switch.
“That aside, you can look at the experiences of countries which prospered with little immigration (Japan) or far lower levels than they experience today (Canada).”
Apples to oranges, friend.
We understand, Corvinus. Like the Jews, and for that matter, Adolf Hitler, you see yourself as a good man.
It’s just that you’re not. You’re not the solution: you’re the problem.
Come der Tag, Corvinus, I’ll be there for you. I’ll insist you could be useful in a labor camp.
Trump falls behind Reagan, but is way ahead of Lincoln, against whom Democrats won over 60% of the popular vote, but lost to, thanks to the vagaries of the Electoral College. (That figure would have been a few points higher, had South Carolina allowed her citizens a vote. The Dems would have topped FDR’s record 98.7% of 1936 there.)
Lincoln did better the second time, but felt the need to add a couple of states to shore up his electoral margin.
No, the historical record shows that the influx of cheap labor fueled the growth of American manufacturing in the late 1800s, which in turn led to a higher rate of industrial production per person.
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No, it does not. It would only suggest that if per capita product were growing more quickly during the period in question than it had earlier or more quickly than was the case in countries with lower levels of immigration.
Hey Elon, why are there no Indian H1B’s working on that?!?
Yes, it does. Your stubbornness has no bounds. Here is one such data point.
—Measuring the short-term impacts of immigration from 1850 to 1920, the researchers find a 57 percent average increase by 1930 in manufacturing output per capita and a 39 to 58 percent increase in agricultural farm values in places that received the median number of immigrants relative to those that received none. Though some of the counties studied show a lower rate of literacy due to the influx of immigrants, many of whom did not speak English, the researchers find that illiteracy declined steadily over the years and that there was an increase in innovation activity, as measured by patents per capita, in counties with large immigrant populations.—
Migrants and the Making of America: The Short- and Long-Run Effects of Immigration during the Age of Mass Migration, Sandra Sequeira, Nathan Nunn & Nancy Qian, 2017
“You’re not telling me whether or not per capita product would have been with a workforce with a different composition.”
Again, make the case. You’re not offering any support for your assertion. Focus on the time prod (late 1800s).
I am not as smart as the richest man in the history of the world. But I am smart enough to understand that the difference between the smartest point one percent of computer engineers in the world and the smartest 4 billion people in the world is rather like the difference between Elon Musk and, well, me. If this is about America winning, then Elon Musk should be held to his original position of granting visas to the top point one percent (of computer engineers). That would be good for America, in the way that competition is good for the economy. But the point is that such competition would not necessarily be good for Elon Musk.
Which is what Elon Musk must have realized when he changed his position to taking in the top half instead of taking in the top point one percent (of computer engineers). The difference between a cognitive elite that could compete with Elon Musk and a worker class that will always only work for him is the fast one Elon Musk is hoping we do not notice in this debate. Like the police department that didn’t hire the guy because he was too smart to stay interested in the menial duties of a police officer, Elon Musk must have woken up to the likelihood that the smartest guys in the world are neither going to start out at the middling salary he wants to pay them nor work for him for very long whatever he does pay them.
Indeed, if this really is about America winning, then we might as well make it about recruiting rather than test taking. Why not go out and recruit the best and the brightest from around the world to become full-fledged American citizens instead of hoping they select themselves to take the test to become indentured servants of Elon Musk? That, it seems to me, would be a lot of fun for whoever got to do the recruiting. But it would be very, well, personal to people like Elon Musk, who, we may imagine, would become ever so haunted by the wisdom of the words, “This too shall pass.”
For one thing, American health care is so structured that we need an utterly unreasonable number of doctors and nurses.
“Hey Elon, why are there no Indian H1B’s working on that?!?”
Because he has them slaving away on other projects. Looks like Trump is caving in, his base be damned.
And your conservative wunderkind Stephen Miller is just taking his marching orders.
https://apnews.com/article/trump-maga-immigration-visas-musk-91ab17e141cc9764fb18b8bc862c84dc
Here’s the growth in per capita product between 1890 and 1924, courtesy the Maddison Project.
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Peru: 187%
Sweden: 106%
Ecuador: 96%
Denmark: 79%
Japan: 79%
France: 76%
Colombia: 75%
Norway: 73%
Argentina: 68%
Canada: 67%
United States: 67%
Chile: 64%
Finland: 61%
Mexico: 61%
Czechoslovakia: 56%
Switzerland: 54%
Netherlands: 54%
Bolivia: 53%
Italy: 45%
Greece: 45%
Indonesia: 44%
Spain: 43%
Yugoslav states: 37%
New Zealand: 37%
Belgium: 35%
Germany: 32%
Hungary: 30%
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You do not see high immigration countries bunched up at the top there even though high immigration countries are notable for not having suffered war damage.
Also wrong. That’s the total number brought over, according to Wikipedia. They weren’t all rocket engineers. The original paperclip team that formed the nucleus of the ABMA was just over 200.
You’re awfully sure about so many things you know nothing about.
But we all knew that.
The Carter administration started the military buildup that the subsequent Reagan administration claimed exclusive credit for. They also subsidized experiments in the extraction of oil from shale, which the Reagan campaign derided, but later Republicans have campaigned on (i.e. Drill, baby, Drill!). It just goes to show that politics isn’t about what’s right or who’s right, it’s about what can be spun as right and who gets credit for it.
The Carter administration also presided over the creation of the (entirely needless) Department of Education, which was a sop to the teachers unions and they took a dive on Federal Civil Service Exams, resulting in a much stupider Federal bureaucracy.
He was as much a stooge as any modern President is.
All you did was list percentages. There is much more needed here. You haven’t proved anything yet.
First, you have to offer context as to what those numbers mean for each country listed at that time. Whet products are being made? In what particular sectors? By whom? What factors accounted for that growth?
Then, you need to make comparison between those counties and the U.S. using the questions I posed as a guide.
Third, the database itself does not directly provide specific immigration per capita data, requiring further analysis using external sources to connect immigration trends with the economic data provided by the Maddison Project.
Go right ahead. Provide those specific sources and make the requisite connections rather than mere speculation posing as fact.
The reason there can’t be – and shouldn’t be – mass migration to the U.S. is that immigration only benefits the United States and its people when the immigrants in question are competent, brilliant even, and loyal to their adopted country and people. Such people are bound to be only few in number.
Musk and his types obsess about the competence/brilliance aspect. While smart immigrants are better than dumb immigrants who would only add to the existing underclass and compound our social issues, brilliant immigrants devoid of loyalty will turn into a hostile alien elite that is without noblesse oblige toward the ordinary people of the host country. This will only exacerbate the existing tensions between the elites and the ordinary people in this country and bring about greater social strife.
Competence AND loyalty. The country is and ought to be a family writ large, not a sports team made up of mercenaries.
Before WWII Yankees, especially New Yorkers, had a global reputation as workaholics. This is where the Japanese post-WWII copied their “Salaryman” work culture from.
Brezhnev made his bones as the Soviet Union’s ICBM guy, when he rose to supreme power the USSR started producing them as a priority over everything. That overallocation of resources is prolly one reason the Soviet state’s productive capacity across the board was so overestimated in the West by economists of the highest eminence (one famously predicted in his standard textbook that the USSR would overtake the West). Gorby was an agricultural guy who ignoring the tremendous momentum tried to put the whole system suddenly in reverse and the wheels came off.
Musk strikes me as not having a sufficiently broad overarching conception of what the purpose of the country is, but maybe it will take someone like him welding a machete on government expenditure to be able to reallocate for the challenges of the future.
Musk has probably been influenced by exposure to the dirty secret of economists: they think economic growth is tied to demographic growth more than innovation and enterprise. They say it is about getting the best and brightest to migrate to the US, but when you look at their proposals they really just want the population as a whole to keep increasing. Received wisdom is the opposite of the ‘maggots in a floursack’ thinking . In the elite’s mind a populace merely ceasing to grow is the ultimate catastrophe for that country.
Such demographic materialism is why Western strategists underestimated Russia willingness to start and stick with a such major war as Ukraine and are underestimating the prospects for China to overtake the US–first in the size of the economy, then in productive capacity and finally in science and technology.
1790 was 13 states. That the same population could have settled the 50 states is doubtful. There is also a question of existing populations in newly annexed territories. They too count, don’t they?
“The reason there can’t be – and shouldn’t be – mass migration to the U.S. is that immigration only benefits the United States and its people when the immigrants in question are competent, brilliant even, and loyal to their adopted country and people.”
OK.
“Such people are bound to be only few in number.”
Except that competence and loyalty mean different things to different people. You have a narrow view here, one that is elitist in nature and contributes to our current discord.
The country is and ought to be a family writ large, not a sports team made up of mercenaries.
That’s right, stick with the losing strategy of buying into the ruling class premises about immigration, rather than just saying “no”.
Legal immigration is worse than illegal immigration (H1B is legal immigration, even if in theory temporary), because you can’t eject the legal invaders without an actual open civil war or revolution of some kind. Illegal immigrants can in theory be ejected without having to take drastic measures.
Importing “top 0.1% of foreign talent” is even worse than importing wetback stoop labor, because Whites have already been driven out of low skill labor and were told to get educated and retrained for white collar skilled office work, only to have their wages undercut, and themselves ultimately excluded, from the higher skill labor pool, by legal “high skill” immigrants and H1B and similar visas, and by pajeets taking over companies and only hiring other pajeets (which would be illegal if Whites did it).
It’s not just about driving down wages, it is also about excluding Whites from higher paying jobs and excluding them from having any kind of influence in the economy or in politics. Notice how foreigners, especially pajeets, immediately shoot up to the top of political positions, especially in the GOP in the USA and the Conservatives in the UK, in spite of their having no real connection at all to “their” new countries except for a passport and a place of residence.
That’s why Jews love pajeets: they are not just cheaper but they are subservient and compliant to power. They aren’t going to complain about what Israel is doing in Palestine and they are going to push for more immigration and more neoliberalism — pajeets are the real “libertarians,” not Whites, in the sense that pajeets (especially those that immigrate to White countries) are naturally in favor of a low tax, no regulation, dog-eat-dog, gig economy, with a tiny wealthy elite sitting on top of a mass of impoverished and constantly toiling lower classes living in perpetual economic precarity and in a poisoned environment.
Anyway back to Sailer’s point above: the entire concept of H1B or similar visas has to be rejected on principle. If you accept TPTB’s premise that H1B visas are okay and just try to bargain them down to a lower number of visas, you have already lost. Don’t accept their premises just to appear “reasonable.”
This is what “the right” has been doing for 85+ years: accepting the premises of TPTB (that hate them), while trying to negotiate what is in effect their own terms of surrender, and not realizing that they have no bargaining chips whatsoever, because they espouse an ethos (raceless, race neutral, anti-racist or now even openly anti-White “conservatism”) which is against acquiring any kind of collective bargaining power, because as they are Whites, that means White racial collective power, and TPTB have forbidden that.
Which is why HBD IQ fetishism is completely pointless and defeatist (assuming you are White: this comment section of course is anonymous and one can’t make that assumption, which is why so many of the comments here are completely disingenuous, and replies to this post will likely prove this). Whites don’t want to be replaced by racial aliens, whether they are high IQ or high skill, or are not. By refusing to fight on racial grounds the Western “rightwing” has been forced to surrender on every other single issue, one by one: religion, marriage, homosexuality, tranny-ism, open borders, deindustrialization, outsourcing, insourcing (with racial aliens replacing White workers, like the Haitians in Springfield, Ohio), internationalism, globalism, neoliberalism, perpetual war, and all the rest.
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The point being the civil War are not Lincoln interfering with peaceable South but the South was seeking to expand slavery over all America.
They repealed Missouri Compromise, they passed Fugitive Slave Act (so much for states’ rights), they decided Dred Scott.
The America was in imminent danger of being a continental slave power.
Elon Musk tells opponents of H1B visas to go “F**k yourself in the face”:
is channeling Tom Cruise’s “Les Grossman” character in Tropic Thunder:
Here we go again…
https://www.salon.com/2024/12/29/norovirus-cases-surging-in-parts-of-the-us/
At least we can skip the masks.
I read his rare type of pancreatic cancer was treatable. Most people aren’t diagnosed with the common type until it’s too late (sometimes it can be surgically removed), and they’re dead within a year. My mother lasted 8 months with chemo and radiation 40 years ago, her father 2 without.
Arrow of causation runs the other way: immigrants go to where the jobs are.
You admit that they’re just an imported slave class.
Mate, it’s just a book-marking system for long comments, so I don’t burn an Agree click. Noting it in a different language reminds me that it’s part of a different series. I fuck up far worse with old high-school Latin all the time. Gee wiz, Dick Tracy — you caught an old coot casually mistaking a grammar particle for an intensifier in a language he hasn’t spoken seriously in decades; zenbu-ga wasuremasita yo. Unless maybe I just said, I recently purchased a kangaroo.
I’m not asking for your money or your vote, and I’m not selling vitamins, just an old twit down the pub muttering to himself. So who cares what you believe?
All this time, I’d thought I was decently endowed, Mr. Anon, though this is highly subjective. However, if I’m to take Elon Musk’s advice, which I guess I’m supposed to, I’m gonna need a bigger … backbone… or some youtube instructional video.
End Indentured Servitude NOW! – End H-1B Visas! And fuck Elon in another orifice!
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The intensity of the inestimible Charles Pewitt is contagious.
All true, Mr. Meh, and let me ask all the readers about the denominator of this magical 0.1%. 0.1% of what – what is this ill-defined “foreign talent”?
If it were a century ago, with just a few, more general, scientific journals, and foreign authors published in one of the Royal Society journals were considered “foreign talent”, then OK. It’d be easy, and the numbers would be low. Now, who’s foreign talent? Does it count millions of Indian kids who’ve finished various corruptly-run programs in Bombay and Bangalore?
How about this kid – from a personal source – who is already here, but wants to stay on? Is he part of the denominator of the 0.1%? He may even end up in the numerator, whether it’s H-1B, G-2U, a specialty Essental Foods EF-1 visa, I don’t know … From Peak Stupidity’s recent blog post on this matter:
No 0.1%, because we don’t know 0.1% of WHAT.
• Dude, stop!: Achmed E. Newman
No, this is not a multivariate analysis. Since you cannot produce one, go hang.
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The question at hand is the contribution labor migration makes to economic development. George Borjas is among those who have done multivariate econometric studies covering recent decades. The answer is diddly / squat. The descriptive statistics I gave you demonstrations of economic dynamism under a variety of immigration regimes. You can see from the data that high levels of immigration were not crucial.
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North America, the Antipodes, and the Southern Cone of South America differed from Europe in the 19th century in that large swaths of the country were unsettled. In the United States, the agricultural population began to decline in raw numbers around about 1920, so that was no longer a consideration after that date.
Trump’s margin of victory in many key states was small, 1-2 percent. Without Musk buying Twitter and removing censorship of conservative viewpoints I think it’s likely Trump wouldn’t have won.
Now in the H1B debate Elon is warning he will destroy those opposed to him. This could blow the winning coalition apart. When Elon does this he’ll find the trans sex movement that he loathes for castrating his son will be resurrected stronger then ever. It would be worthy of a Greek tragedy.
“brilliant immigrants devoid of loyalty will turn into a hostile alien elite that is without noblesse oblige toward the ordinary people of the host country. ”
Well, it’s a good thing THAT hasn’t happened yet! LOL
Musk is so brilliant, he references low brow, low IQ “comedy” flicks like that? Must impressive, Elon. Maybe next he’ll reference White Chicks.
“White Chicks” by a second generation of Wayans is a funny movie. I’d recommend it to people who like funny movies.
The 1860 Election was two separate elections. We were two different countries at the time of that election. Lincoln vs Douglas in “North” and Bell vs Breckinridge in the “South.” 1860 and 1864 are not good examples like 1936 and 1984 regarding the popularity of a candidate.
The South should have had an excellent compromise candidate in 1860 in Stephen Douglas, an outstanding politician, but the South was way too extremist by then to compromise.
Silicon Valley was the superior show. Tech spergs are so unlike verbose Sheldon and so like Richard.
https://uproxx.com/tv/silicon-valley-dick-joke-oral-history/
There’s not a single blue state that can be trusted with voting numbers. All of them systemically lie.
Organized voting fraud is baked in the cake. Purge the voter rolls and forbid ballot harvesting, limit mail in ballots and you’ll get much cleaner numbers.
You will no longer see California and Arizona manufacture numbers out of rotten voter rolls and out right fraud.
The real numbers aren’t even close except in deep blue states. Trump got more than 50% of the popular vote this time and last time.
No bucks, no
Buck Rogersposts about Tom Wolf lines.Seriously, Joe, I probably missed lots of very good discussion, but the German rocket scientists put America well ahead of where we would have been. We’d have caught up in time… ask people – I wish Steve Sailer could ask his late Dad, who was a mechanical(?) engineer at the famous Lockheed “Skunk Works”.
They keep it up and if history is any guide the great and good will decide a few grapes rotting on the vine is worth not being robbed in home invasions. Anarchist crime changed immigration attitudes a hundred years ago it can do it again.
“The problem with this substantially correct take is that it strengthens the short term case for STEM immigration.”
I see your point. However, it’s also true that we can still exert some measure of control over these visas, for example, they can be limited in time and not necessarily lead to green cards or citizenship.
Also, once the Federal government is made to shed employees, the slack in the economy can be taken up by citizens.
Also, if it’s true that so many people can successfully work from home, they can work from home in their home country.
I’m also not convinced that these foreign workers are all they’re cracked up to be. In 2000, I worked at Ford and took a look at the qualifications of a several hundred “tech” workers from India. I noted that most of them had Masters degrees in math and engineering. Okay, respect. Then a coworker suggested that I check out the colleges and universities in India that had conferred these degrees.
Those institutions were barely equivalent to a good high school or community college in the US; so, these foreign workers were not equivalent to US workers who went to a decent American college or university. That’s why so many of them needed remedial training here in the US.
Thanks for your response. It took me a long time to figure out that being made to step aside for women, PoCs and foreign workers meant that society just wanted me to DIE, but now I get it.
Maybe hundreds of people care about the tic tok decision. Maybe.
“Average IQ of India 76”
It’s complicated.
India has hundreds, maybe thousands, of tribes and castes who don’t intermarry, so they’re effectively hundreds of nations – so average IQs don’t mean a lot. The daughter of the family sleeping under a tarpaulin by a Delhi railway line isn’t going to be having babies by the son of a Sikh army officer or a Brahmin doctor.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Scheduled_Tribes
https://www.britannica.com/place/India/Caste
And I haven’t even got onto some religions – Jains do NOT have a 76 IQ.
People who telecommute want to live in nice places.
“No, this is not a multivariate analysis. Since you cannot produce one, go hang.”
Yes, it is. In your typical fashion, you make a claim, someone calls you to offer proof, and you proceed to run away from your responsibility.
The question at hand is the contribution labor migration makes to economic development.
“The descriptive statistics I gave you demonstrations of economic dynamism under a variety of immigration regimes. You can see from the data that high levels of immigration were not crucial”
No, that is your assertion. You haven’t offered any support. That is exactly why a multi variate analysis is required on your part. But you would rather be intellectually lazy. Again, your claim is NOT fact or truth.
In my experience, Indians are the new Jews: leftist, clannish, rude and pushy etc. As others here have quipped, ‘Jews but without the charm’.
To repeat: near complete immigration moratorium except for a small number of prominent scientists and culturally compatible dissidents. Maybe 5,000/ year or something like that.
“You admit that they’re just an imported slave class.”
If YOU want to characterize them in that manner, fine. The bottom line is that Trump supports Musk in this issue. So much for he and his advisor Stephen Millet defending American tech workers. But you keep believing Trump is on your side.
He did offer proof, you are just too stupid and block-headed to comprehend it.
He did offer proof, you are just too stupid and block-headed to comprehend it. You are also too lazy to read Borjas, and likely too stupid and block-headed to understand what Borjas wrote.
You have claimed many times that you are an Armenian homosexual, and we accept it as truth.
Money for nothing and the men are fools.
A sample size of one is not the best basis for drawing conclusions. Not even of the ‘Hmmm’ variety.
Corvinus the Birther! Verily it is the End Times!
According to David Stockman, in 2024 constant dollar terms the just departed Jimmy Carter ran a 240 billion dollar deficit in 1980. In November 2024 we ran a deficit of 367 billion dollars. We now run a bigger deficit in a month than we did in a year back then. Stockman sees a debt crisis headed this way that will prevent the “golden age” Trump has been talking about.
“We understand, Corvinus. Like the Jews, and for that matter, Adolf Hitler, you see yourself as a good man.”
Do you enjoy Grey Poupon with your red herring?
“It’s just that you’re not. You’re not the solution: you’re the problem.”
For merely pointing out the fact that Americans consist of different races, ethnicities, and religions?
It may have taken longer in our history for Asians and Africans, for example, to gain full citizenship, but the Framers enabled Our Posterity to expand eligibility requirements for it. And, of course, there has been underlying ethnic tensions among Europeans who came to our shores, whether it be Germans, the Irish, Italians, and Poles. It was through intermarriage and through assimilation that these hostilities between northern/western and southern/eastern Europeans gradually ceased to exist.
“Come der Tag, Corvinus, I’ll be there for you. I’ll insist you could be useful in a labor camp.”
That’s the inner fascist in you.
By birth or by legislation, a person from another country is able to gain citizenship and become an American. You, of all people—the Jews—ought to be thankful. Your ancestors received this opportunity, and you proceed to piss on their graves with your indignation and ingratitude. And as a result of your group’s penchant for communism, porn, and usury, you eventually wear out your welcome in a number of places. At least that’s what I’ve been told by a number of commenters on this fine opinion webzine.
“The original paperclip team that formed the nucleus of the ABMA was just over 200.”
In other words, about the same number as is in Newman’s photo. And I guess he and you can verify just by looking that none of those faces was German or Jewish, am I right?
Jews, Nazis and hillbillies? How could he forget all the black ladies — it’s racism, I tell ya! And if you think referring to the white boys at NASA as “hillbillies” is pure unadulterated anti-goyism, well, at least he was willing to work with them. Whereas Elon and Vivek are doing their best to make sure that from here on out, people like that are not going to be allowed in the program at all. They just don’t measure up. Not sure what their view is on black ladies, but I’m sure we’ll get an update at some point.
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Don’t believe it. OnlyFans is loaded with women spreading their legs for money, and the overwhelming majority are making next to nothing. There’s nothing about Isla that would make her any different.
“I read his rare type of pancreatic cancer was treatable. “
Yes, he had a very rare form of pancreatic cancer that was treatable. Despite being aware of this, he decided on fruit juice and whatever:
Are you referring to an extended family?
But around here we all know success of NW Euro societies is based upon nuclear families that minimalizes nepotism. NW Euros are much less likely to favor a less competent cousin over a more competent stranger.
TSMC Arizona is still half Taiwanese on visas, because American engineers “struggled to adapt in its rigorous and demanding work environment.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/29/business/tsmc-phoenix-taiwan.html
Supposedly the percentage of Americans there are due to increase. What if in another year the American candidates still struggle to adapt in the TSMC work environment?
If you are the manager are you going to hire the American and let go the Taiwanese? Would that loyalty or nepotism?
What happens if then those Taiwanese engineers go to Huawei?
If anyone in the Trump admin is reading, please shut down this project. India is opening a Level 4 defense biolab in the Bhopal area, where the Union Carbide accident occurred in the 1980s. https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/bhopal/drdo-boosts-indias-biosecurity-with-new-bsl-4-laboratory-and-detection-facility/articleshow/115191760.cms
“This marked a key milestone in DRDE’s mission to advance research in virology and biosecurity, positioning the establishment as a global leader…”
We don’t want to know what global leadership by an Indian defense biolab looks like.
If you view SpaceX as an insurance policy as he and I do, you can only know you’re right when the meteor of death is descending and you can or cannot push it aside.
But going further, it’s an established fact SpaceX is unique; I say the biggest thing since the Apollo program, which was first and foremost a political stunt to make up for the beating we’d taken on the world stage which Kennedy inherited from Eisenhower’s own political decision to hold back our efforts as I previously mentioned.
SpaceX is a business delivering or in the process of delivering orders of magnitude cheaper access to space. And is so dominating the business the only reason it still has competition is political plus necessary bet hedging. No one on Earth is qualified to say, well, it would happen without him (ludicrous on its face) or “he could do it better if he just made this one change” like the work/life balance issues that have come up, etc. Well, not until it’s in a decline and fall stage like say Boeing.
I’m sure similar things could be said about Tesla which I don’t really follow, although it does one PRC competitor which arose from a modernish sort of “Let a hundred flowers bloom” policy but then subject them to ruthless competition agasint each other instead of killing them all.
Ah ha! People whine about his not creating a talent pipeline at the same time they criticize SpaceX turnover, not realizing the latter _is_ such a pipeline, albeit not starting in kindergarten, or anywhere before terminal high school (welders for example) or higher education accomplishments. But a critical one, the US let its aerospace capabilities wither to catastrophic levels before SpaceX and company.
And we should never forget once Musk created something so successful it’ll be only a matter of time before it’s taken away from him. Which I’m sure it part of his buying Twitter and otherwise becoming a big figure on the public stage. I mean, he knows Communists from his origin country, it’s not in the least abstract, and he posts about this including on racial terms.
To be fair, he was probably thinking of the Zulus rather than the Bantus, but he, like you, still missed the bigger story: South African race-policy is, just like ours, ultimately in the hands of (((a global tribe that merely sometimes claims to be White))).
Except she’s not dumb white or brown trash?
OnlyFans is making money some way and it’s obviously not from those who are “making next to nothing.” Assuming some sort of Pareto-ish distribution, who’s to say she’s not in the 20% who are making bank.
THE (D)EVOLUTION OF CLOWNWORLD:
1957 — ‘OMG! The Russians have just launched a satellite into space! We need more STEM courses for our kids now.’
2024 — ‘OMG! The Chinese now have a functional social-credit system in place! We need more H1Bs from Pajeetstan now.’
I confess, I have never understood the appeal of this ‘Ellis Island schmaltz’ school of immigration advocacy. Let us stipulate for purposes of this discussion that there are no substantial differences, regarding potential, opportunity, human capital, society etc., between immigration in the Ellis Island, postwar, and present eras. What do you imagine follows from that? If I think I, or my ancestors, were fortunate to get in and should be thankful for American generosity, does it follow that I should repay this generosity by stabbing Americans in the back lest I be accused of hypocrisy? I think that true gratitude would consist of advocating for the best interests of Americans, accusations of hypocrisy be damned. In any case, the extreme, ‘Catcher in the Rye’, despising of hypocrisy as the ultimate sin is a childish Leftist obsession. It is an outgrowth of the “To thine own self be true” self-idolatry that entrances adolescents/Leftists – but I repeat myself. The venerable Duc de La Rochefoucauld in maxim 218 had a much better take; “L’hypocrisie est un hommage que le vice rend à la vertu..” = “Hypocrisy is the homage vice pays to virtue.”
The times, they are achangin.’
Speaking for myself, though, I intend to hide in the woods.
I thought Teslas are built by Paki Afghani and low caste Indian immigrants in the East Bay Ca counties of Alameda and Contra Costa and towns like Hayward Ca?
Thanks or why I’m a hard core White Nationalist who despises the idiot conservative losers. Conservatives have lost on every single issue for the last 64 years. Losers.
That picture is from mission control at Johnson. There may be a few Jews in there, for all I know. Probably more than there are Germans. Most of the paperclip Germans went to Marshall. Abe Silverstein, mentioned in your uncited article, was the director of the Lewis Research Center in Cleveland. He was born in Indiana before WWI, so he hardly counts as a refugee from Hitler’s Germany.
Again, if you pretend to be knowledgeable about something you ought to – you know – know something about it.
But don’t worry – we’ve come to expect less from the hysterical, locked-down, double-masked Zelensky-fanboy known as “HA”.
HA, that’s just one shift at Houston mission control. Man, there were hundreds of thousands of almost all White men engineers, mechanical, electrical, aero, at Grumman, North American, etc., etc., working on these projects.
BTW, none of the amazing things Elon Musk has done with SpaceX could have been done without the high-speed, high-storage, digital logic that has been developed over the last half century by … you guessed it. Want pictures?
Corvinus, HA & ThatWouldBeTelling sure have been ramping up their comment/word count lately. I would expect that to continue through tomorrow.
btw – I’ve decided to cap my comment count at 4,000 – so I’ve get 46 left.
By God, I feel me much to blame thus idly to profane the precious time.
You have reversed the causality. It was his fruit juice obsession that caused his cancer.
Excessive sugar intake is known to increase the risk of pancreatic cancer, but hippies like Jobs think there’s some existential difference between the ‘good’ sugar in fruit and the ‘bad’ sugar we pour in our coffee.
Of course there isn’t, sugar is sugar, and he consumed far too much of it (he also had diabetes)
When I was a kid during the summers the shops and such on the Boardwalk in Wildwood, NJ was staffed almost entirely by Irish seasonal workers. So much so that local kids couldn’t get those seasonal jobs – that was the 1980s-1990s.
It turns out that employers don’t have to pay the employer side FICA for foreign seasonal workers, so the cost to employ foreigners was actually below the cost to employ Americans. Naturally, every curly fries and Lime Ricky stand was staffed by Irish summer workers.
I think the factors which make open discussion of immigration policy and economics toxic are the fact that none of these people seem to be temporary workers and expect to be eligible for U.S. citizenship, after which time they can sponsor relatives to immigrate to the U.S. The misinterpretation of the 14th Amendment as a grant of jus soli citizenship to the children of non-Americans is also a factor.
Elon is a smart guy. If we could get past these inhibiting factors we could perhaps imagine a new means to the best of both worlds.
For example, imagine a U.S.-sponsored, U.S. territory version of Hong Kong which is a discrete high tech campus sort of thing where foreigners could come to work in industries in which they are needed but without necessarily being on a course to citizenship and where their kids don’t automatically become anchors to the U.S. You could even implement some kind of special tax for these “one in a million” super talented people which would make the U.S. stakeholders in such a venture.
No one may have the best (complete verification) basis for any conclusion no matter how loudly they may call for it.
Jobs followed a very low protein and fat but high fructose and mega high beta carotene (so high his skin got an orange tint) diet because he thought it was good for him.
The type of cancer he got at a relatively young age is one of the most feared.
It is reasonable to assume that Job’s health regieme did not help extend his life.
Jimmy Carter obituary:
Born, born again, died.
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Many years ago I knew a very uneducated West Indian man in London who was diagnosed with cancer. (If I ever knew what kind of cancer it was then I don’t remember.)
The first thing that he and his family did was to go out and buy an electric fruit juicing machine, because somehow they believed that drinking fresh fruit juices would heal him. It didn’t.
It seems like this is a very basic fundamental and primitive kind of delusion that is widespread. Fruits and berries are natural so they must be good for you.
Partly this is true because they contain vitamin C. If you have no vitamin C in your diet within a few weeks you will start dying.
People have all kinds of weird beliefs. Salt is bad for you, right? But if you have a diet that is completely salt-free you will soon be dead.
Musk seems to believe that taking ketamine is good for him. However it could be one of those silly beliefs that ends up being fatal.
“HA, that’s just one shift at Houston mission control. Man, there were hundreds of thousands of almost all White men engineers”
And you don’t think the Jews were not in any way over-represented, the way they are in, say, the Nobel winner’s circle, or academia? Is it all crystal clear from just that one photo?
“BTW, none of the amazing things Elon Musk has done with SpaceX could have been done without the high-speed, high-storage, digital logic that has been developed over the last half century by … you guessed it.”
If you think I’m on Musk’s or Vivek’s side in this, you’re not paying attention. But on a site like this, where Jewish presence is scrutinized down to the one Jewish grandfather (as with Lenin, for example), don’t try sweeping them all away with fit of handwaving, just because it inconveniences your argument. Sloppy math like that is not what got us to the moon.
It goes without saying that smaller countries are going to lose almost all their precious few qualified people to the West, and descend into absolute hellholes. However the crucial consequences for US power ‘steming’ from Musk and similar types stuffing their companies with various Asians will be counter intuitive. Although America will benefit absolutely, in relative terms Musk etc will cause China to become the global tech innovation powerhouse.
Perhaps the most important thing Silicon Valley tech business have done is incentivize higher education accomplishments in techy subjects as a golden ticket to living the American dream for several hundred million young Chinese and Indians. The mental traits of Chinese make them quite well suited to technical studies. The best and brightest will emigrate, but of course the US will not be able to absorb them all so most will never leave their Asian homeland, and so the two most populous counties, China especially, are going to reap immense science and technology workforce benefits from Musk and others of his kidney holding out the promise of success as a immigrant to the US on a work visa.
Agreed, but you are mentioning only unpleasant Jewish traits. As far as I know, Jewish immigrants in the US have enriched American culture & way of life in many aspects. Not only geniuses like von Neumann, but gifted and cultured people from Germany, Poland, Russian empire…. who rather quickly became violin virtuosi, pianists, best translators from German, Polish, Russian, French, Spanish … biographers of famous Americans from every walk of life – for instance Faulkner, LBJ, … or critics writing splendid books about Shakespeare or Western art.
On the other hand, Indians remain- Indian. They don’t care about historical American culture; they are absolutely not interested in transmitting even high Hindu culture, let alone European which they are hostile to.
I don’t see Indians dealing with art works like Paul Rosenberg.
So, on balance Jews contributed to the expansion of American cultural life & sensibility. Indians are, like other Asians- aliens.
Well, I just spent 10 minutes on duckduckgo, got close, but never to the numbers of what percentage of American engineers are Jewish, whether now or in the 1960s. I would guess that in Engineering they are/were slightly under-represented, while in Science they are/were over-.
Did you understand the point of the photo at all? These aren’t H-1B visa holders. The country was a united White society back then, and the Jewish representation within the hundreds of thousands it took to get American men into space and to the moon was just the normal small part. (… unlike their presence in the occupation of, say, “Encouragement of Immigration Invasions” – could not find numbers for that category…)
That’s not me, but there’s no math in here, HA. An engineer needs to know when to go to the slide rule and what assumptions can be made. Your assumptions sucked – they don’t support your point.
“These aren’t H-1B visa holders.”
Of course not — back then, we had Hitler’s shenanigans that assured that a large portion of Germany’s high tech wound up in America. Given the edge that Germany had back then (hint: Einstein’s first paper on relativity was entitled “Zur Elektrodynamik bewegter Körper” — can you guess why?) having them in our pocket was a huge boost — even some two decades after WWII ended when the Space Race was in gear.
Diminishing the importance of their contributions doesn’t help your argument. And try to remember, unlike Vivek and Elon, whose H1-B policies will gut incentives for home-grown sci/engi/CS types, I’m arguing the opposite side.
Yeah because you worship negroes. Would it be OK for… I dunno… Norm MacDonald and Ricky Gervias to dress up in black face for the movie “Black Bitches!!”?
I didn’t think so.
And they all agree to sterilization.
Not trying to get into an acrimonious argument here. But I read the quote as implying that he did have the surgery, he just rejected the (presumably) recommended follow-up treatments. Is that correct? If so, that makes it at least a little less insane-sounding.
“I confess, I have never understood the appeal of this ‘Ellis Island schmaltz’ school of immigration advocacy.”
It’s our legacy. Dare I say that tens of millions of current residents are able to trace directly back to their ancestors coming through there, as well as Angel Island. This was the begin of the assimilation process It is embedded in our history and culture.
“Let us stipulate for purposes of this discussion that there are no substantial differences, regarding potential, opportunity, human capital, society etc., between immigration in the Ellis Island, postwar, and present eras.”
OK.
“What do you imagine follows from that? If I think I, or my ancestors, were fortunate to get in and should be thankful for American generosity, does it follow that I should repay this generosity by stabbing Americans in the back lest I be accused of hypocrisy?”
This is nothing more than…
Newcomers enter a new area. They settle.
Then they become old newcomers.
New newcomers come in. They get flak by the old newcomers. The new newcomers resent the implication they lack the qualities to add to the society.
The new newcomers then prove they can assimilate.
Then the older newcomers and the old newcomers resent and resist any newest newcomers. The problem is the old newcomers in particular have the sane prejudices they disdained when they came in. So, yes, it is hypocritical.
https://hti.osu.edu/opper/lesson-plans/immigration/images/looking-backward
“I think that true gratitude would consist of advocating for the best interests of Americans, accusations of hypocrisy be damned”
No True Scotsman Fallacy.
Recall that your kind was characterized as being other than capable of becoming an American. So what changed, magic dirt? Was it not in the best interest of “Americans” in the past to keep out the troublemaking Jews like your ancestors?
Do I want immigration to our country to stop? Yes.
I’ve been consistent on this point on this fine opinion webzine. But the Hmong, Guatemalans, and Kenyans who enter my country have shown they are capable, similar to your kind then and now, to assimilate into the body polity and social fabric.
It’s who we are. Anyways has been. Always will be.
“ I think that true gratitude would consist of advocating for the best interests of Americans, accusations of hypocrisy be damned.”
In any case, the extreme, ‘Catcher in the Rye’, despising of hypocrisy as the ultimate sin is a childish Leftist obsession. It is an outgrowth of the “To thine own self be true” self-idolatry that entrances adolescents/Leftists – but I repeat myself. The venerable Duc de La Rochefoucauld in maxim 218 had a much better take; “L’hypocrisie est un hommage que le vice rend à la vertu..” = “Hypocrisy is the homage vice pays to virtue.”
Doesn’t matter what she’s making. The fact of the matter is that she got admitted to a STEM program, taking a seat that could have gone to a man, and she is not working in the field in which she attained her degree. It’s a double hit to society. Resources were devoted to educate her for a productive technical job, and she is not producing anything to justify the expense. In addition, a man who probably would be a productive worker in the field was not educated, and is probably now a net cost to society rather than a benefit. I have seen this over and over in engineering in the last 30 years. Women are preferentially hired and preferentially promoted. Then, in their mid ’30s, they decide they want a family, and they either retire or transition to another field entirely. This is a non-trivial contributor to why the treason lobby can claim there is a shortage of native-born STEM workers.
From 2.0 days back (thank you, Mr. Unz), here’s what you had to say in order to waste our time here:
I agreed that America would have taken an extra few years to reach the same point in rocketry. I’m not here to discuss the Cold War Space Race right now.
My point of showing the photo was to show it was a country with almost solely White American men engineers. We’re talking hundreds of thousands involved in the space program, so those 1,600 and that core of 200 mattered a lot in gaining, or gaining back, some years on the Ruskies, but not in BUILDING all that was necessary to put men on the moon. We had people who could have done what Werner Von Braun did, but the Germans had done loads of development already, with the V-2 rockets. No Indentured Servant or any kind of foreign help was needed or would have been. The Germans, Jews and otherwise, were there, so, of course you’re gonna want to make use of their abilities.
And no, they were most certainly not “a large portion of Germany’s high tech”. You have no feel for the numbers. That German war machine must have required 100’s of thousands of smart engineers.
I understand we are on the same side on this issue. The other side has people like Elon Musk* who apparently can’t imagine that there was a world like the America of the 1960s… and nearly a century before of major innovation by the very same.
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* Vikram is a different story. He couldn’t help himself going tribal. Or castel, if I may…
They do not appear to be “over-represented” in engineering. Certainly not as they are, or at least were, in medicine and the sciences.
You don’t know what you are talking about. You should stop embarassing yourself.
https://www.betonit.ai/p/reflections-on-india
Interesting.
America of the 1960s
Was a different country. Because of Cold War, Sputnik, Yuri Gagarin etc., there was intense focus on STEM and excellence. There was none of the distractions and politics prevalent in education today. In the 1960’s nation was completely devoted to the Apollo project (in STEM). Today, in 2024, our major technology behemoths, Intel and Boeing are failing. Our high-performance computing scene is fortunately secure because of Nvidia and AMD (thanks to Jen-Hsun “Jensen” Huang and Lisa Tzwu-Fang Su). Fortunately, two of software giants (Microsoft and Alphabet Inc.) are also strong due to capable CEOs (Nadella and Pichai). It is not useful to cry over the lost leadership of STEM education of the pioneers of 1960s. We should try to see where we went wrong and recover that excellence.
But if they got it working…
Weasel words. Translated into English, you just said: On immigration, Trump will get deportations done!
“Then the older newcomers and the old newcomers resent and resist any newest newcomers. The problem is the old newcomers in particular have the sane prejudices they disdained when they came in. So, yes, it is hypocritical.”
So I am a hypocrite if I don’t support every silly view some of my ancestors may or may not have had?
Other than having the word ‘true’ in the sentence, I’m at a loss to see what this has to do with the ‘No true Scotsman’ fallacy.
Let us stipulate it was, indeed, in the best interest of Americans in the past to keep out the troublemaking Jews like my ancestors. How should that influence my actions today? Should I say ‘Well the Americans did me a great favor at cost to themselves/against their own interest, so let me make sure, on the moral imperative that no good deed should go unpunished, that they get screwed over repeatedly.” ? There may be many words to describe that idea but I don’t think ‘gratitude’. is one of them.
If you want for it to stop, presumably because you think it’s not in America’s best interests, why would you take issue with my wanting it to stop? Is your position that a descendant of immigrants is not permitted to advocate for America’s best interests because it’s hypocritical?
The out-of-control spending and debt is a time bomb about to blow a hole in the side of the US, but the dimbulbs in Congress and the media vilify the few Freedom Caucus members who even want to keep the debt ceiling where it is now and force spending cuts. Given those dipshits in charge, there is no avoiding the upcoming default and ensuing calamity: all you can do is plan for that inevitable future, by hiding what savings you have from the coming raids or doomsday prepping your place.
It is why Russia and China keep biding for time and ignoring all the US deep state provocations to start a war now, as they all know the USS battleship will capsize once that debt bomb blows.
https://www.unz.com/article/the-counter-jeethad-on-x/
https://counter-currents.com/2024/12/the-counter-jeethad-on-x/
https://counter-currents.com/2024/12/dawn-of-the-lizard-people/
https://www.unz.com/aanglin/musk-vows-to-wipe-out-humanity-replace-all-human-beings-with-indians/
https://dailystormer.in/musk-vows-to-wipe-out-humanity-replace-all-human-beings-with-indians/
Government is not set-up for the short-term preferences of citizens. The market mechanism sees to that. Government is for long-term.
“What is best for the country ” isn’t the same as what is best for the citizens right now. Ask Stalin.
kaganovitch, you are arguing logic–and doing, btw a great job–with … Corny. A guy who has demonstrated time and again, that he’s just not quite capable of fully grasping verbal logic.
Corny, i’ll make it simple for you: You would not exist but for the fact that a bunch of your female ancestors were raped way back when. (That’s just the reality–true for every human being.) And you probably, very much like existing. Does that mean you should be pro-rape? Work to make sure rape continues to happen? Be against efforts to stamp out rape?
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I very much like existing and thank God every day for this gift or life and the gift of my children. Ergo I am happy that my Founding-Stock ancestors were dumb enough to let my Irish and German ancestors come to America. (I hope my family have not been too much of a disappointment, have overall throw in well, been productive and loyal Americans.)
That does not mean I wake up in the morning, and think “let’s bring in more Haitians! Give them the great American opportunity my ancestors had.” Or any similar sort of dumbass “it was good for my ancestors so we’ll do it forever” “logic”.
Rather, I wake up and think, “What can I do personally and what should we do communally to make the lives of my kids, their kids, my posterity–all Americans and their posterity, our nation–better now and down through the ages.”
A Jewish artist writing White Christmas is nice but Jewish thinkers and entertainment executives importing 100 million Latinos into the country and creating movies that encourage race mixing so that there will be no more pure white babies in America in 2100 is a big downside compared to Jewish contributions in high culture.
Modern fruits are the products of millennia of selective breeding. There’s nothing ‘natural’ about them. (They contain much more sugar than their wild ancestors for one thing.)
As you write, Gentile Elon Musk is pushing for- you know what. It is a myth that Jewish plutocrats & “thinkers” are the driving force before destructive immvasion. Sure, some of them are, but not more than Gates, Bezos & other non-Jews. These people, rootless billionaires of all white ethnicities, are pushing for immvasion & race mixing, which can be seen in their own lives (Gates’ daughters, Jobs’ widow etc.). Jews are perhaps 20% of American oligarchs and in this respect they are not different from other US rootless cosmopolitan plutocrats.
Admiral Rickover wrote a book in 1959, Education and Freedom, advocating a tougher and more traditional education for America after Russia launched a satellite into space. There were several other books in this era along the same lines by writers like Arthur Bestor and Mortimer Smith. There was even an organization started, the Council for Basic Education, that advocated for this.
These reformers were all critical of the Progressive education of John Dewey which had taken over the school system. This reform era petered out during the Counterculture sixties. There was another reform effort in the conservative Reagan era but that had no lasting effect either.
We would not have this problem now of lack of educated workers if the current dominant philosophy of education, the roots of which go back to Dewey and his disciples, were replaced. The focus should be there. It is time for another attempt at an educational reform effort involving our educational system. If the schools can’t be reformed, they need to be abolished and replaced.
I am no fan of the education system, but the issue here is not only about education. Tech employers are not sitting around saying “anyone! at any wage! please!”. They are trying to cut wages by bringing in people who will live in dormitory or hostel conditions and spend all their time at work and who risk having their visas revoked if they complain about anything. I’m sure American young people could improve their work ethic as well as their knowledge base, but expecting people to forgo family formation to find jobs is unreasonable. On the hand, if the foreign workers really are that much smarter (I doubt it), then the visa are importing a foreign overclass. These are really the two main issues–both related to the social consequences –not the inability of native American tech sector to compete economically.
True, but you can’t have a functioning education system with kowtowing eternally to a rather stable, even increasing dysgenic segment of the population.
A society should accept, to quote Gobineau’s title, the inequality of human races- which is impossible.
ePebble, see my reply to Joe Stalin that I’m fixin’ to write.
How then do you explain the incredible short-sightedness of the political systems in all the “democratic” countries? Pretty much all of them, including the United States, are in a completely unsustainable fiscal situation because of repeated, massive, and exponentially increasing borrowing to finance consumption/politically motivated spending. We are facing the possibility of a currency collapse as a result. (Because the central banks accomodate the massive and increasing deficits.)
Not that Big Business is much better. Largely because of the distortions encouraged by the obscene tax system, corporate executives have engaged in an orgy of short-term stock buybacks to fatten their bottom lines, directly contrary to their fiduciary obligations to the businesses they administer.
Sailer flushed my first reply to this comment because well, what you said isn’t really how it went. Two jewish nerds get the two blond shiksas, and the autistic white descendant of dumb evangelicals get the dumpy jewess. The Hindu got to be there.
Hello, Uncle Joe. I know you’re not the Soviet Uncle Joe, but since you mentioned the Russkies – they did pretty well for a while, but their Communist “some decent guns, but we’re out of butter” economy was not up to the task, guess.
I disagree with your and others’ point about the big push for science & math in the schools after the Sputnik “Russian moon” scare. It’s the timeline that doesn’t make sense. We’re talking about an effort in the schools, as worthless as it likely was, starting in, what 1958 at the earliest? That’d mean those kids that were immersed in it for aa few years at least wouldn’t graduate college until the mid-60s. Older, experienced engineers through the ’60s wouldn’t have even taken part. Our space program was successfully in progress before any of these students were working in it.
Then, there were the late 1940s and the whole 1950s. I’m talking X-1 with (the recently-passed) Chuck Yeager breaking the sound barrier in ’47, then the X-15 with Scott not many years later going 6M or something! New interceptor/fighters were being put out yearly – the whole Century-series was impressive. There was a whole lotta engineering going on then too, well before the incipient space program. Where were the beat-Sputnik kids of the 1950s, and where were the H-1B kids?
“So I am a hypocrite if I don’t support every silly view some of my ancestors may or may not have had?”
Your ancestors who came to America were told they were part of group deemed inferior. That they lacked the traits to be worthy of inclusion into society. Yet, they managed to prove the naysayers wrong. If you are employing the sane argument used against your ancestors toward the Hmong, Guatemalans, and Kenyans, then, yes, you are hypocritical.
“I think that true gratitude would consist of advocating for the best interests of Americans, accusations of hypocrisy be damned”
You are implying there is one and only one way to demonstrate gratitude in the context of the statement.
“Let us stipulate it was, indeed, in the best interest of Americans in the past to keep out the troublemaking Jews like my ancestors.”
Assuming that Jews in the first place are troublemakers. Do you agree that your kind engaged in conduct that warranted exclusion?
Do you honestly believe it was the best interest to keep your ancestors out base in their faulty perceptions? Isn’t this “troublemaking” inherent in your group—a feature, not a bug—that you today display?
“How should that influence my actions today?”
JFC, you can’t be this dense.
If you seem so gung-ho on this stipulation, then feel free to deport yourself.
Listen, you’re part of the American club, apparently no thanks to your ancestors. That’s why you can afford to act so flippantly. You get to enjoy the gimmedats and free stuff. So, naturally, you’re going to be wary of outsiders. I get it. But the problem is you are legitimizing the reasons that your ancestors had opposed for their potential exclusion. Hence my link to the political cartoon from the 1880’s.
“Should I say ‘Well the Americans did me a great favor at cost to themselves/against their own interest”
Assuming that it was against their interests. Was it? Do you feel your ancestors should have been denied entry? That public attitude toward Jews as a group then (and now) is on point? Why would you stipulate anything that brings forth every nasty accusation against Jews?
“so let me make sure, on the moral imperative that no good deed should go unpunished, that they get screwed over repeatedly.”
Assuming again that Jews then, and Hmong, Guatamalans, and Kenyans now are in the business of “screwing” over Americans.
Again, feel free to self-deport yourself. One less Jewish family to worry about, right?
WW2 gave a huge impetus to STEM; for example, under some Atomic Energy Act or something, a graduate assistantship I got in 1984-86 was tax exempt. MIT (and others too) got huge funding for RADAR development that created a boom in electronics. Aeronautical engineering was almost entirely funded by defense. Then Space Race and Cold War took over. STEM was the apple of the eye till 1990. Money (for STEM education) was practically unlimited. Then we got 1990, ‘peace dividend’ and slacked off just as other countries started educating STEM as the quickest path to developing their economy. Lot of other social changes occurred too. This is not a simple one cause issue. Our current predicament was predicted in 1983. Unfortunately, not much was done except ‘No Child Left Behind’ program that simply meant all (or most) children will become mediocre. Which is what we have now.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Nation_at_Risk
“Corny, i’ll make it simple for you: You would not exist but for the fact that a bunch of your female ancestors were raped way back when. (That’s just the reality–true for every human being.) And you probably, very much like existing. Does that mean you should be pro-rape? Work to make sure rape continues to happen? Be against efforts to stamp out rape?“
How is this even relevant or germane to the topic at hand? This is just bizarre in your part.
“Ergo I am happy that my Founding-Stock ancestors were dumb enough to let my Irish and German ancestors come to America.”
This is bat shit insanity. There was nothing “dumb” in having immigrants come from Germany and Ireland. You are denigrating your own kind. How anti-white of you to say.
“Rather, I wake up and think, “What can I do personally and what should we do communally to make the lives of my kids, their kids, my posterity–all Americans and their posterity, our nation–better now and down through the ages.”
Right, all Americans. Not exclusively white Europeans. As I correctly stated earlier, Americans come from different races, ethnicities, and religions.
LOL, well, Musk and Vivek—two “paper Americans”—is saying “F—- You” to Bannon. Trump is playing the MAGAheads for chumps.
Trump is a capitalist. Capitalists love cheap labor. It’s mother’s milk to them.
I spotted the same hole in his logic, but in your rush to cram DIE minorities into that breach, you just scored an own goal.
This whole thread is about tech H1Bs: how many Hmong, Guatemalans, or Kenyans have you ever seen in that group?
If we broaden it out to legal immigration generally and who is likely to succeed as past immigrants did, just because they were wrong about the Irish back then doesn’t mean those today are wrong about the Kenyans. You are right to point out it is possible, but cannot assert that it is probable just because it happened with some other group before, particularly given this is a HBD blog.
Anyway, this is all like arguing about who to invite onto the Titanic. Once the govt debt bomb sinks this country, nobody is going to want to come anyway. Worry about that.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the deep state purposely chose to elevate this issue now to try and kneecap any spending cuts in their bloated budgets that Musk and Ramaswamy might otherwise attempt.
I don’t disagree with what you are saying, just, for most outsiders- only whites in the US are “Americans”. It is as true now as it was half a century ago.
I know for certain that Poles, Greeks, Russians, Austrians, Danes,… consider(ed) only whites as belonging to the American people, while blacks and Indians/Native Americans were considered to be American national minorities, not a part of the American nation. For instance, Louis Armstrong was an American black, not a black American & people thought of him as belonging to the black nation in America, no to some “American people”.
This is the same as German-speaking people in the Italian region of Trentino-South Tyrol are not Italians, but an Italian national minority, in this case a part of German people.
I vaguely remember that assimilated Mischlinge between Euro-Americans & non-whites were deemed to be “Americans”, if they were assimilated & cultured enough, plus predominantly “white looking”.
Musk is a businessman and as such his function is to maximize profits. Techy companies are massively profitable, and just as it’s supply and demand with doctors that is responsible for their salaries, he want to increase the supply. It seems very logical to assume that just tech is loath to pay tax on h profits so have paper HQs reporting profits in a tax havens like Ireland or Luxemburg, Musk wants to keep the price he has to pay for tech workers from climbing by increasing the supply. So while the H1 b workers are not reducing tech wages, they are stopping them from rising as fast as they otherwise would be. That is why Musk is also laying off the workers who have been with him through the years when he built his businesses.
Thanks to whoever posted this link, shows Carter as a truly good man surrounded by not so good men, or as a naive man surrounded by realists, you take your choice.
https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/briefing-book/2024-12-29/jimmy-carter-declassified-obituary
Elon Musk has clarified his position on the H-1B visa program. When talking about bringing in immigrants, he means the top 0.1% of engineering talent from around the world. He is not talking about bringing in low paid foreign workers to replace American workers and acknowledges that is a problem with the current system. Musk said the following:
“Easily fixed by raising the minimum salary significantly and adding a yearly cost for maintaining the H1B, making it materially more expensive to hire from overseas than domestically. I’ve been very clear that the program is broken and needs reform”.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/12/elon-musk-calls-major-reform-broken-h-1b/
I was in elementary school at the time, so I can personally attest NONE of these US mandated science & engineering curriculum made it down to us in the Chicago schools.
But I had a relative that graduated HS in ’66 that chose a STEM degree for his BS. Another thing men had to worry then was the Vietnam war draft, so people did everything they could to stay in college to retain their student deferments. While in college he was offered a computer programming job at a bank (computer people back then were considered an American asset and were until the tech apocalypse created by the H-1B), but then he risked bring drafted.
https://visaandgreencard.com/blog/clinton-signs-h-1b-bills-into-law/
He said he was inspired by Chuck Yeager to go into something tech. So his contributions to the tech arena didn’t start until the mid-70s, AFTER the collapse of the US space program and Vietnam-era defense contracting.
But the 1970s brought to life our US tech industry.
Musk plays the role of the opposing thumb on the establishment’s hand, just like the Donald does, hence the bromance, NWO puppets.
It’s the elites vs the rest, and elites have only one allegiance and that is to what made them elites – mammon worship.
“while the H1 b workers are not reducing tech wages, they are stopping them from rising as fast as they otherwise would be”
No, they’re reducing them. Obviously no one is getting a letter saying “10% wage cut next week”, but in the last 30 years I’ve seen real, post-inflation starting salaries drop. My generation of British IT people live in roomy properties where the mortgages are long paid off – my children’s IT generation live in small places with postage-stamp gardens that cost them as much as a mansion would once have cost.
On the subject of race replacement, UK councils in places like London and Birmingham have been resettling “asylum seekers” and the worst of their tenants in depressed towns with low rents for maybe ten years now – in places like Llanelli and Neath you can hear Cockney or African accents.
It seems the Guardian have just woken up to this, as the ex-coalmining towns of Durham and Northumbria, formerly hideously white, are enriched.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2024/dec/31/english-councils-pay-millions-to-move-homeless-families-out-of-big-cities
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2024/dec/31/families-sent-durham-town-from-london-horden-homeless
Thank heavens Faruk has these nice white ladies to care about him.
“Musk is a businessman and as such his function is to maximize profits.”
I know that already. He’s doing this at the expense of native workers.
“Musk wants to keep the price he has to pay for tech workers from climbing by increasing the supply.”
Again, I know that.
The fact of the matter is that he paid the Trump campaign 250 million dollars. He is now collecting. Trump is letting him out in place a policy that MAGAhesds and supposedly his vaunted (Jewish) advisor Stephen Miller opposed. Bit Joe they are just cucks and those who voted for Trump are suckers.
That’s the point. And YOU are justifying the side of billionaires, not flyover country. It’s sickening.
You and I actually think; that is to say, we have a perception and then formulate the phrases that will express it.
Corvinus doesn’t appear to do quite that. Rather, he responds to anything he doesn’t like by rummaging around in his library of cliches until he finds one that seems appropriate and throws that out there. I don’t think he ever actually considers the substance either of what was said or of his retort.
What we need are our own people to be who we need. Why are we seeking to import an alien elite?
“By God, I feel me much to blame thus idly to profane the precious time.”
Don’t be so hard on yourself — for instance, how do you know that’s true?
You can’t tell by yourself what is or is not wasted time. You don’t know what good effect your words might have had on others. There’s an object lesson in one of my favorite poems….
ONE FLIGHT UP
Jim Carroll
The people upstairs are cold
the girl with the full-sized German shepherd
and the boy who sleeps with her
are rapping against the radiator
with a spoon, it sounds like.
their message must carry down
one more flight to the janitor
whose business this is.
I can hear the steam
already beginning
in the pipe beside me
and soon the pressure will carry it higher
and the entire building will be warmer,
thanks to them, to sleep in.
So, some nameless girl feels cold, bangs on the radiator, making the building warmer for everyone, so that the teenage poet she’s never talked to in the building is now comfortable enough to finish his poem, which you’re reading now, and perhaps one day will pass along to inspire another person. All because some random chick in some Inwood tenement in 1969 felt cold at night, and complained about it.
If the Throne of Judgement should deem that Lester Bangs wasted his time, or Borges writing “Dante and the Leopard,” then the devil take us all.
Oh and plus, Happy New Year All!
I like Steve’s suggestion of the top 0.1% but maybe expand it to the top1%
Yes, Carter reminds me of Kennedy (and indeed of Chamberlain). A good man who meant well, but who was completely out of his depth dealing with the cynical realities of international politics.
Shaking my head at all the people here chasing their tails trying to justify to Corvinus their right to defend their country and people from foreign invasion.
Why do you engage with this troll? Ignore him!
“I spotted the same hole in his logic,”
Exactly.
“but in your rush to cram DIE minorities into that breach, you just scored an own goal.”
LOL, no, they are people from different areas of the world, some of whom seek to immigrate to our country.
“This whole thread is about tech H1Bs: how many Hmong, Guatemalans, or Kenyans have you ever seen in that group?”
Ask Elon Musk.
“If we broaden it out to legal immigration generally and who is likely to succeed as past immigrants did, just because they were wrong about the Irish back then”
Exactly.
“doesn’t mean those today are wrong about the Kenyans.”
But they are wrong. It’s the same attitude then as now—a group is deemed inferior and thus believed not to be capable of assimilation.
“You are right to point out it is possible, but cannot assert that it is probable just because it happened with some other group before, particularly given this is a HBD blog.”
It is probable.
“I wouldn’t be surprised if the deep state purposely”
LOL. No. Just stop before you further embarrass yourself.
This makes the breathtaking assumption that Jewish influence on the arts has been beneficial.
One of these days I want to go through The Painted Word and identify the percentage of Jews involved in all that and their effect.
“Elon Musk has clarified his position on the H-1B visa program. When talking about bringing in immigrants, he means the top 0.1% of engineering talent from around the world”
The number is ZERO. That’s what Trump said originally. NO HbD1 immigrants. Period. That’s what MAGAheads wanted. Don’t their voices matter? Those spots are reserved for qualified (white) Americans. At least that’s what was demanded by Trump advisors Miller and Bannon.
Corny, even if this was accurate, this is not hypocrisy. (Get thee to a dictionary and look it up.)
This is some other concept, which seems to so utterly fascinate you that you deluge the adults here with it endlessly, but which is so stupid/uninteresting that no one has bothered to make a word for it.
I will do so now: Let us call it “cornyocrisy”. It means a speaker is advocating for behavior/policies in the present–perhaps similar to those which others may have advocated for in the past–which if they had been strictly followed in the past, would mean the speaker would not exist.
Since all–normal, civilized–people are guilty of this, you, Corny, can just fire away and label us all as cornyocritical. (Which of course means normal reasoning humans.)
Any time anybody interacts with Corvinus, he/she/it collects a few pennies.
Just stop, already.
Faruk needs to learn English pronto. Did he not know that people speak English in England before he left whatever Islamic hellhole he came from?
10 miles is not that far from a mosque. It is walkable. They also have things called bicycles in England. And very likely some other mosquito would give you a ride home.
If he wants a no pork diet he should move to Israel. Meanwhile he can eat baked beans on toast with chips just like English folks.
They often toss us these paragraphs–meant to be some sort of “oh how terrible!” tearjerker–but which rather pointedly demonstrate that this person is–deeply–a foreigner with a foreign language, religion and culture and has absolutely no business being in England (or America, Canada, Germany, France … whatever Western nation we are talking about).
In the story the immigrant is taken as a given, then, of course, the native white people are not doing a sufficient job catering to him.
But what these stories demonstrate again and again is that the actual evil creating these social disruptions is immigration. The social problem simply does not exist but for immigration, and is completely fixed by stopping it and sending the “fish out of water” back to his own sea.
AD, obviously you’re right on every point – but can I persuade you not to use the “reply” button when dealing with shills like “Corvinus?” That’s how they get paid.
“He is a single father and struggles to speak English, which has hampered his ability to find a job. “When my tenancy finishes, I’m scared I will be homeless again and have nowhere to go.” ”
Nowhere to go? Stuff and nonsense! I know *exactly* where he can go….
“They do not appear to be “over-represented” in engineering..”
“Do not appear”? Talk about desperate. Find some actual evidence that contradicts the link I gave, or take the L. Your dim-witted link-free insistence (phrased in weasel words like “do not appear”) doesn’t really cut it.
“German-speaking people in the Italian region of Trentino-South Tyrol are not Italians, but an Italian national minority, in this case a part of German people”
I was skiing in South Tyrol in March 1988, the 50th anniversary of the Anschluss
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anschluss
All the ski-lift operators listened to German-language Austrian radio, so it was pretty odd hearing Hitler’s speeches blasting out as you took the lift up the mountain.
This is bad.
https://nypost.com/2024/12/30/us-news/trump-team-orders-all-intended-nominees-to-stop-posting-on-social-media-ahead-of-senate-confirmations/
Happy New Year !
Whoops, meant this one:
“Elon Musk has clarified…”
Yeah, I don’t think Elon (or Adrian, or Kekis or whatever name he goes by) has clarified jack. He’s just squirming, as the name shifts indicate. We already have “genius O-visas” for the top 0.1%, and Musk didn’t mention those (they numbered 38K in 2022). He talks about putting minimum wages on the H!-B program to make sure they won’t be cheaper, but he himself has a history of underpaying workers — sometimes making up the difference with stock, but sometimes not even bothering to do that. Does anyone seriously think he’s willing to pay those higher salaries (note the top 0.1% wage in the US is somewhere around half a mill a year) in anything other than some form of funny money? The MAGA fanboys do, I guess, but as Musk and Vivek have repeatedly told us, they don’t really matter, since those people probable since their heads batted around so much doing high-school sports instead of chess and chemistry. Currently, some three-quarters of Silicon Valley employees are already foreign-born. So why is Musk getting so hot and bothered?
Here in the real world, we have a MAGA president that the illegal alien Elon Musk (he admits it was a “gray area”) and the anchor baby (and don’t forget pharma-grifter!) Vivek Ramaswamy are the right people to repair a broken immigration system.
But I guess that’s all small potatoes, Trump’s tweets indicate he’s planning some kind of “special operation” to take over Panama and Greenland, not some pointless promise he made and forget within minutes. That’s the real “genius and savvy” play that Trump is lining up, just like what he said about his buddy Putin. Gotta keep your priorities in order.
“You don’t know what you are talking about.”
That has never stopped HA before from spewing out his verbiage. Why should it now?
I see Ron Unz gave you a gold box on one of your comments on another comment thread. Congratulations.
One sees something similar with vagrants.
There’s this spectacularly irrational notion that somehow these people will just go away…and meantime we should make them feel comfortable, welcome, and esteemed.
That’s not going to make them stop coming, I can promise you that. If you don’t want more of them, do what you can to make them uncomfortable, unwelcome, and unsafe.
Be a bastard. At least do that much. At least do what the locals are known to do in Hawaii. It’s called giving them the fisheye. Not really enough — but a start. These people are not going to leave if you’re nice to them.
It’s an unpleasant truth — but a truth. Tell them they’ll be welcomed in Martha’s Vineyard.
You’re jumping the gun. Maybe they just ran it up the flag pole to see if anyone would salute it. And now that no one is saluting, they’ll pull it down.
We’ll see. In any case, help hold Trump’s feet to the fire. Demand mass, immediate deportations and no more immigration at all.
…or is that what you want? Or are you FOR continued immigration?
Happy New Year to all you Gregorians! Enjoy some fantasy fiction from Medium:
The Rape of Enslaved Black Men by White Women During Slavery
Only after divorce did I realize that I am not important
The latter one recounts a man regretting his bad behavior, but has a feminine byline, so I’m labeling it likely fiction. Besides, how many women named Linda could have given birth as late as this century?
I simply cannot comprehend this degree of suicidal delusion on the part of natives.
No, he’s positioning himself for negotiations.
You know, that activity where you start with a strong demand– which your type calls “arrogance”– then sit back to listen to what the other side has to offer– which your type calls “sucking up to foreign dictators”.
One minute, he’s “literally Hitler”. The next, “literally Chamberlain”.
But the essence of negotiating is recognizing that the other side has a side. Try it sometime.
“Corny, even if this was accurate, this is not hypocrisy”
Yes, it is accurate. Yes, it is hypocrisy.
You say your old English ancestors essentially f—- up (they were dumb, you stated) by allowing your newer German/Irish ancestors entry into America.
The implication is that these two groups were not “worthy” of inclusion.
Oh well, now that they were here, they made the most of it. And you are the beneficiary of this “mistake”.
Then you have the audacity to take the position that it is “dumb” to allow groups of people into our nation who possess the same work ethic, the same determination, etc as your German/Irish ancestors to become citizens.
These are human traits, not exclusively European traits.
“I will do so now: Let us call it “cornyocrisy”.
Again, more bat sh— insanity on your part.
This was once Steve’s bailiwick, but he’s evidently “moved on”. However, it touches on this issue.
Note how some of the lowest figures are adjacent to the highest. Might this be a kind of Chicago/Milwaukee, Tijuana/San Diego, Juarez/El Paso effect? Carefully avoiding your neighbors’ worst foibles? Sadly, as Mikwaukee and now San Diego can attest, it isn’t guaranteed to last.
Islam may not encourage cousin marriage, but does absolutely nothing to stop it. (Contrast that to their view of girl children, whom they may not value, but don’t abort or drown, either. Inshallah…)
Whereas Christianity clearly has an effect, as do Buddhism, Sikhism, and whatever else is on the ground.
I saw that one – right on the money. I’ll have to retract 10% of my judgement call on Mr. Unz’s judgement of people.
As for HA above, where’s YOUR link? You know, where’s the one to back up:
Show me the link. I see no link. [/Babu Babar, speaking of immigrant visas, doing the Pakistani restaurant management that Americans just won’t do, cause the food sucks.]
What “palestine”? There’s no such place. And why would anyone complain about the Sabras of Israel defending themselves against a savage, terrorist sneak attack with mass rape, mass murder, and mass kidnapping by hummus from the gaza strip, who seek to annihilate all Jews, everywhere? Only nazis would, whether nazis of the left or the right.
And the thing about nazis is, that they care more about killing Jews than they do about helping Whites.
Oh, c’mon!
This was the argument made in favor of voting for Mr. Obama, that his schemes would be so bad that the American people would be ready to vote in Javier Milei.
Are we really better off as a result of 8 years of the Obama Presidency?
Before we get into detail I would like to clarify something. By your own admission, you want immigration to the USA to stop. I presume because you think it is not in the best interests of the USA. Is that correct? If it is, then you are proposing that children/descendants of immigrants should advocate for policy that is not in the interest of the USA, no? How exactly do you see this as an expression of gratitude?
I was stipulating that for the sake of argument in order to minimize the items at issue. As every conversation with you turns into a soul deadening slog through brambles and thickets of non sequiturs and idées fixes, it is helpful to narrow the space of contention. In any case, when it comes to mass immigration it is not the individual that is the unit of measurement but whether net net it’s in the best interest of the destination country. Hence I may well be the greatest thing since sliced bread and yet the mass immigration of Eastern European Jews may have been a mistake. Again, not saying this is so, just stipulating for purpose of this discussion.
“Capitalists love cheap labor. It’s mother’s milk to them.”
They hate unions and collective bargaining too. And 40-hour workweeks and weekends off. And health and safety regulations, sick leave, and disability pay. They hate all that. Your leg got blown off in a mine explosion? Too bad.
Unions — back in the day when they actually worried about things like wages, hours and working conditions, instead of meddling in partisan politics and outright graft and corruption — won that battle to a large extent and curtailed the capitalists basest desires to exploit their grunt labor force.
That’s why, in spite of all anarchists and communists our open borders allowed to come in, those causes never got the traction that they did in other parts of the world.
“terrorist sneak attack with mass rape, mass murder, and mass kidnapping by hummus from the gaza strip,”
I reject how you frame the events of Oct 7 , 2023. You folks are like Vivek: selling snake oil.
You think I have a problem with the Dutch saying — YET AGAIN — that Greenland isn’t for sale, and suspecting — given the number of times they’ve repeated themselves — that Trump ought to focus on more pressing matters? I don’t. I’m consistent that way. That means I don’t think that when Moscow gets schoolkids to sing about how “Alaska will be ours again” is really the start of any negotiation — especially when they’re invading other countries to get their way and when our guy is calling that genius and savvy. To the extent that kind of consistency eludes you, that’s your damage.
(“Happy Nuuk Year”)
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Y6X69QuecZI
Next up is Rio, then, 30 minutes later, Dildo.
1790: Congress passes naturalization law limiting citizenship to ‘free white men.’
1882: Congress passes law completely outlawing immigration from China (which remains law until ca. 1946).
1924: Congress passes law favoring immigration from Northwest Europe (which remains law until 1965).
So for the first 177 years of our history we were emphatically not about immigration “regardless of race, ethnicity, and religion.”
And I’ll go even further: even many or most of the changes of the last 60 years that have led to our current large-scale immigration were sold to the people as lies. Example: the 1965 immigration bill wasn’t supposed to upset the ethnic balance of the country. Example: the 1986 amnesty was only supposed to apply to ca. one million people, and was supposed to secure the border. Example: the “Temporary Protected Status” program was supposed to be, well, temporary.
The United States rose to superpower status based almost entirely on the immigration of white Christians and Jews. We probably could have tolerated a fair amount of Asian immigration, as well, if the Burlingame Treaty hadn’t allowed it in unlimited amounts, which resulted in a systemic shock demanding it be ended.
As one of my fellow trouble makers said “Everyone is entitled to be stupid but some people abuse the privilege.”
“As for HA above, where’s YOUR link?”
You need to learn to read a little better. Do a ctrl-f on “hillbillies”, or more to the point “NASA was filled with”. You’ll find your link. If you think some random blowhard’s “appear to be” is a more credible assertion than that, then you’re just trolling. I mean, even a photograph probably counts for more than that “appear to be” (though, come to think of it, trying to make hay out of just a photograph is pretty weak sauce, too).
“Moscow gets schoolkids to sing about how “Alaska will be ours again” is really the start of any negotiation.”
Sure. Give them a price: $40 trillion USD.
For someone who doesn’t want us to take Trump seriously, you sure take him seriously.
Grønland er ikke hollandsk!
I trust a real estate developer to know what is and isn’t on the market. More than a geographical illiterate.
If you mean finally shedding Puerto Rico, I’m all for it. And the USVI– our last purchase from the Danes. They can keep Joe, too. Nice Airbnb there…
? Why would the Dutch say it?
Ahem. There are those of us who would hold the Jews wound up contributing more to our downfall than our rise.
“I trust a real estate developer to know what is and isn’t on the market.”
Know a lot of real estate developers, do you? If they seem like a credible bunch to you, well, again — your damage. Not everyone is that gullible.
“If you mean finally shedding Puerto Rico,…”
No, of course I don’t mean that, and why would you confuse the two? That’s way dumber than gaffing on Dutch vs Danish.
Whether you or I know what they’re doing, they know.
You said “more pressing matters”, without specifying. Allowing Puerto Ricans to solve their power outages without US interference– e.g., the Jones act– would certainly qualify.
When were these halcyon days without graft and corruption? Not in our lifetimes:
No such fact. But hypothesis piled upon hypothesis.
What an insanity, How did Faruk ever get to come and live in the U.K.? He doesn’t seem to have the slightest skills of language, cultural adaptation, ability to earn a livelihood (or wealth) and gets to become a ‘Briton’? Something is fundamentally wrong in U.K. government. This is not even a debatable “immigration policy” issue, just plain absurdity.
Have been reading this plaint of fiscal situation for past decades, 2 -3 decades even.
Austrians were always going on about an imminent currency collapse. No more imminent now than it was 20 years ago and it will be 20 years hence.
I am intimately familiar with field. I know what I’m talking about.
You do not, you smug a**hole.
Nobody fits the bill of “random blowhard” better than you, you yammering blowhard.
You’ve been proven wrong about every contention you’ve made here, nitwit.
Shouldn’t you be on the frontline in Ukraine now, coward?
Cousin marriage though is neither here or there but for the record it prevails among South Indian Hindus at the rate about half of Pakistan Muslims.
Now South Indian Telugu comprise about half of Indian H1b so you may draw whatever conclusion from that.
That the lowest figures are adjacent to the highest
is just an artifact of population transfers in 1947.
Why?
I think Elon Musk wants the number of H1Bs multiplied from around 80,000 to the hundreds of thousands. Still Elon Musk is no Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas, formerly of the Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society, who allowed 3 million random people into America every year during his term at Homeland Security. The gentile oligarch wants cheap technical labor to undercut the wages of American engineers. He does not want to dilute the number of white Christians in the country through an overwhelming deluge of non-whites.
I don’t know why you put quotes to Jewish thinkers. Here is an example of a Jewish thinker.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milton_Himmelfarb
https://anncoulter.substack.com/p/new-years-resolutions-for-indian
2023:
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/09/16/ramaswamy-h1b-visa-gop-visa-00116383
https://archive.is/R0Cp9
Away, slight man.
TRUMP on H1B1 immigration: “We need a lot of people coming in”
Dec 31, 2024
Oh, for cryin’ out loud, man, that’s nothing but a long Human Interest article from the LA Time by one Ralph Vartabedian, written in ’20! Is that how you get your opinions, HA? There are NO numbers of Jews/Germans in NASA in there, just the main story of Mr. Von Braun and one Abe Silverstein (the latter also an important director, no doubt.) The article is a bunch of handwaving, and that’s all your comments are here.
I tried at least – looked at 10 pages, and as sucky as internet searching has become, I was disappointed most of those time, and the other couple needed a sign-up for my “first 10 articles”. I’m not gonna do all that just for a guy named HA on the internet. You provided no link on the main point, which is the proportion of engineers in America who are Jewish. I’d take now, but better the 1960s. Is that something you could look up, or not?
I’m not talking just NASA – they just ran the program. The contractors that build all the hardware had the bulk of the engineers that put men on the moon 55 years ago.
Folks, guess you should have seen him back when he was young; believe it or not, he was really something back in the day.
Paul Volcker raised interest rates to approximately 20% to wring inflation out of the economy, successfully doing so but at the cost of a sharp recession in the early 1980s. He was able to do so because the debt load was relatively so much smaller than it is today. If the USG had to finance its current debt at those interest levels today, interest payments would be greater than the entire US Federal budget. That is why the Fed made its recent pro-forma hiking cycle but already aborted it when the pain got too great, even though price inflation still is way above its target. Even so, interest payments recently exceeded $1T in the US and will only go up sharply from there.
Do you understand how exponential growth works? The Fed is already losing control of the yield curve. Just because the Austrians were early in their call does not mean they were wrong.
“By your own admission, you want immigration to the USA to stop.”
Yes
“I presume because you think it is not in the best interests of the USA. Is that correct?”
It is not in the best interest at this time for ANYONE from ANY country to immigrate, largely due to our massive debt.
But that does not mean that certain groups cannot assimilate. That is what I object to. My gratitude stems from appreciating the hard work and sacrifices they made, then and now. I would be ungrateful if I took the position like AnotherDad, who labels non-whites as inferior beings incapable of immersing themselves into our society.
“If it is, then you are proposing that children/descendants of immigrants should advocate for policy that is not in the interest of the USA, no?”
They should be extremely mindful of what their ancestors went through to get to America and how they became part of its society. The children/descendants can most assuredly advocate for immigration restrictions, bearing in mind that their objections made then are generally the same objections made now, rather than flippantly and cavalierly saying the Hmong, Guatemalans, and Kenyans do not posses the qualities to assimilate.
“As every conversation with you turns into a soul deadening slog through brambles and thickets of non sequiturs and idées fixes”
That’s not even remotely accurate.
“it is helpful to narrow the space of contention.”
No, it is not helpful at all. It is evasive on your part. NOTICE you avoid answering the fundamental questions I posed that would call into serious question your own position.
“In any case, when it comes to mass immigration it is not the individual that is the unit of measurement but whether net net it’s in the best interest of the destination country.”
So was it the best interest of America to import Jews deemed by natives as “troublemakers”? Isn’t it fair to say your group overall has been a drain on my society, with all that porn and civil rights and communism nonsense they peddled? Or so I’ve been told by commenters here on this fine opinion webzine.
“Hence I may well be the greatest thing since sliced bread and yet the mass immigration of Eastern European Jews may have been a mistake.”
Except you’re being cagey here. Was it or was it not a mistake? Why?
“… That’s how they get paid.”
I find it a little hard to believe that “Corvinus” is getting paid for this. Who would pay him and why?
“It is not in the best interest at this time for ANYONE from ANY country to immigrate, largely due to our massive debt.”
So we are doing them a favor if we keep them out?
“So for the first 177 years of our history we were emphatically not about immigration “regardless of race, ethnicity, and religion.”
Try again.
German and Irish Catholics came to our shores in large numbers in the 1840s and 1850s, much to the chagrin of nativists. They immersed themselves.
The Chinese were brought in as laborers in the 1860s and 1870s. They immersed themselves.
The 1898 Supreme Court case United States v. Wong Kim Ark established that children born in the United States to Chinese immigrants are U.S. citizens by birthright.
Inferior Eastern and Southern Europeans came in by the millions by the early 1900s, much to the chagrin of nativists. They immersed ourselves.
“And I’ll go even further: even many or most of the changes of the last 60 years that have led to our current large-scale immigration were sold to the people as lies.”
According to Who/Whom?
“Example: the 1965 immigration bill wasn’t supposed to upset the ethnic balance of the country.”
LOL, the aforementioned waves of immigration has already upset that Blanche! Your point is moot.
“The United States rose to superpower status based almost entirely on the immigration of white Christians and Jews.”
Wait, I thought Jews were troublemakers. Shouldn’t they have been kept out of our nation?
In any event, the U.S. rose to superpower status based on the combined efforts of immigrants, white and non-white. That’s who we are. Always has been, always will be.
“We probably could have tolerated a fair amount of Asian immigration, as well, if the Burlingame Treaty hadn’t allowed it in unlimited amounts, which resulted in a systemic shock demanding it be ended.”
If you’re reading this, Twinkie, get packing. You’re going back to South Korea!
“But they are wrong. It’s the same attitude then as now—a group is deemed inferior and thus believed not to be capable of assimilation.”
This seems to be your entire argument and it makes no sense. The fact that some people are falsely accused doesn’t make every accusation false.
“You’re jumping the gun. Maybe they just ran it up the flag pole to see if anyone would salute it. And now that no one is saluting, they’ll pull it down.”
LOL, no. Musk paid Trump 250 million for direct access. If Trump was serious, he would have gave a hard no. Instead, he is cucking. He doesn’t give two shots about American tech workers.
TRUMP on H1B1 immigration: “We need a lot of people coming in”
You think he did when you voted for him. And where is Stephen Miller in all of this? I thought he has a firm grip on matters.
“Demand mass, immediate deportations and no more immigration at all.”
Can’t wait to see what tens of billions of dollars in costs to pull the job will get us in the next four years! But you as the fascist would prefer to round them up and just shoot them, especially the kids. As you said, the times are changing.
“Whether you or I know what they’re doing, they know.”
Fer sure! Don’t stop believin’!
“You said ‘more pressing matters’, without specifying.”
Given what this thread is about, I shouldn’t have to specify. And it’s not as if Puerto Rican infrastructure is something Trump finds obsessively tweetworthy to nearly the same extent, even though it is indeed closer to home than Panama or Greenland (though I guess Canada — and his weird annexation fixations in that direction — are even closer, so I’ll give him that). The geostrategic implications of the Arctic must make for some juicy content for the futurologists, but given that we already enjoy fairly amicable relations with both Panama and Greenland (the real estate and geostrategic implications of which Trump seems to be grossly undervaluing), it’s high time to put them on the back burner.
“When were these halcyon days without graft and corruption?”
Back when they were actually focused on wages, hours and working conditions, the graft and corruption comprised a correspondingly smaller chunk of the typical union’s to-do list. All the things we now take for granted — disability pay, weekends off, protective gear — were things that had to be fought for and negotiated (and paid for with union dues). To the extent that meant buying off some corrupt politicians, well, you know what they say about eggs and mayo. The old “I want everyone to be happy because it’s good for business so why would I ever treat my employees badly?” canard that the laissez-faire advocates and libertarians like to spin is not going to impress anyone who’s ever seen a factory farm, and pondered the larger implications.
Ann is in good form there, thanks.
“I am intimately familiar with field. I know what I’m talking about.”
You clearly don’t — at least, not any more. “Engineering” is a broad category, and lots of people fancy themselves to be members of the guild, and that makes the exact proportionality difficult to assess. It’s safe to say that the ones who laid out ditches for some flyover county and who featured in that old song about searching the sun for another overload are not quite on the same level as the consultants hired to rig up state-of-the-art wiring in the latest skyscraper in Abu Dhabi, and whose day job is teaching engineers at Caltech and MIT.
It is in the latter group where you’ll find a correspondingly higher proportion of Jews.
Same thing with programming or “computer engineering”. The nerd from some cornfield state who started out building model airplanes and tinkered his way into becoming a whiz at assembly might have gotten a spot working on the moon landing, but he’s not quite on the same level as the guy consulting on perceptrons and backpropagation algorithms and quantum computation. Guess in which group the Jews tended to be over-represented?
So no — “appear to be” doesn’t quite cut it.
“Oh, for cryin’ out loud, man, that’s nothing but a long Human Interest article from the LA Time by one Ralph Vartabedian…”
It’s still a lot more authoritative than your aborted DuckDuckGo search, wouldn’t you admit? If you doubt me, try and get the results of that search (or lack thereof) published somewhere outside a blog or internet forum. Don’t forget to use zinger phrases like “appear to be”, and give yourself a goofy pen name like Mr. Anon. I’m sure that’ll impress the editors.
I’d like to see your source for that claim.
Also, you failed to answer my question.
Fermi’s wife was Jewish. The other top Manhattan project scientists: Oppenheimer / Feynman /Szilard / Bohr / Teller — 5.5 Jews
A long list of Hungarian Jew scientists/mathematicians entirely emigrated to US, above all von Neumann / Erdős / Wigner.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Martians_(scientists)
The most prestigious research institutions in the world, for pure and applied math, respectively, were founded by Jews.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institute_for_Advanced_Study
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Courant_Institute_of_Mathematical_Sciences
Two more Americans were added to this list in 2024, in fact the only two hard Nobels that were not AI-related.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jewish_Nobel_laureates
The list goes on. The main point is that America would have been very powerful regardless, its superpower status only possible due the World Wars, and human capital flight from Europe.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_capital_flight
…and lingua fraca of science becoming English. Before coming to US, Einstein corresponded mainly in German. These conferences were conducted in French
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Congress_of_Mathematicians
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solvay_Conference
So, in precis, your position is that immigration advocacy is, indeed, objectively screwing over the USA, and in fact if you were bound and determined to screw over the USA and to show ingratitude you would be doing nothing differently. However because your heart is pure and you remain ‘mindful’ of Ellis Island schmaltz narrative, your objectively destructive advocacy of immigration uber alles is transformed into ‘the higher gratitude’. Is that about the size of it?
OT, but Musk related:
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/30/arts/dungeons-and-dragons-rule-changes-race-species.html
https://archive.ph/HAniL
I have no idea if he’s being paid, but as long as he’s not banned from the forum, and people like you insist on replying to his ravings instead of using our meta-host’s excellent IGNORE feature, he’s got value to people who want to disrupt our discussions with noise vs. signal.
Although AD is entirely capable of taking care of himself, fwiw, this is a not remotely fair characterization of AD’s position.
“…he’s got value to people who want to disrupt our discussions with noise vs. signal.”
People replying seems like a sign that there isn’t much else to talk about.
“What we need are our own people to be who we need.”
Zacktly. After all, didn’t His Holiness Barack Obama once famously proclaim, “We are the ones we’ve been waiting for,” to much swooning in newsrooms and moistening of panties all across our once-fair land?
— No no, but he didn’t mean We are the ones who should do the jobs that need doing; he meant, “We are the ones who will finally destroy America.” And we did! Right? Right?
Checkmate, bigot.
We weren’t talking about professors of engineering, in which position I expect that Jews are “over represented”. We were talking about working engineers in the aerospace biz – a field I suspect you know absolutely nothing about.
And what exactly is your relation to the field? Are you an engineer? Do you have the least firsthand knowledge about it? You opine about a great many things; I have not noticed that you know much about them.
And – again – why aren’t you clutching a rifle in the Donbass, you war-mongering d**khead?
Exactly, D.A.! I’ve been trying to tell A.D., along with others here, this simple math that won’t go away quietly.
11 months ago, I wrote in Midterm IRS Pie Charts (I get off on that sort of thing – beats actually doing our taxes) about the ’22 budget numbers:
I’m no New York Big Finance Guy, but I understand that the lower-interest-rates bonds are being paid off, and when, let’s say, the average one is at 7%, forgetting Paul Volcker-level 20%, the interest portion on $36,300,000,000,000 of that “outlays” pie will be $2.5 Trillion, meaning about 1/2 of the $5 Trillion in revenue to be taken in. 20%? Right, that CAN’T happen.
I could spend hours on The US Debt clock site, just watching the numbers go round. Round and round, round she goes, where she stops… Peak Stupidity has a pretty damn good idea.
The problem is that politicians and businessmen always say this (“we need more Einsteins!”) but the country then gets bumrushed by hordes of desperate people willing to work like slaves to escape being sent back to their hellholes of origin.
Of course employers love this, as do landlords and property speculators, as well as the left/liberal politicians the newcomers will be voting for in future. However for the ordinary citizen it’s a disaster.
People no longer believe anything the authorities say about immigration, and nor should they. They’ve been lied to too many times already. (“The bill will not flood our cities with immigrants.”)
You don’t get credit for doing something you were forced to do by circumstances. Everybody knew Carter took office with the intention of de-escalating the cold war with the Soviets, but the Soviets refused to reciprocate and then invaded Afghanistan. It made Carter seem weak and foolish, and no amount of military spending and hawkish rhetoric was going to undo that impression.
“We weren’t talking about professors of engineering, in which position I expect that Jews are ‘over represented’. We were talking about working engineers in the aerospace biz…”
No, try to keep up. We were shown a photo of (as was subsequently noted) one shift of Houston’s mission control as some of “gotcha”, without any effort whatsoever to distinguish the immigrants (e.g. Jews and Germans, not to mention the occasional Brit, or and Australian or other miscellaneous ethnic spice from more than a dozen countries ) from the native-born. Again, something like that is weak sauce to base much of anything on, but in fairness to Achmed, it is a lot more substantial than your pathetically meager “appear to be” and “I expect that” weasel words.
“And what exactly is your relation to the field?”
What’s it to you, given that when you’re not obsessing about everything I post, and demanding I pay pay attention and respond, you’re pretending you don’t even read my comments?
How about you instead resolve, in this upcoming new year, to work through your own plethora of personal issues before developing any other creepy fascination with the lives of others? Or else, finally learn to work that “Ignore commenter” button once and for all? The fact that you can’t even do that tells me all I need to know about your engineering know-how.
Ain’t that the truth.
Damn. Down to 45.
This is the chief of staff telling the DOGE boys to shut up and sit down. Nothing bad about it.
That doesn’t counter my point, it reinforces it. The division was between Moslems and non-Moslems, both politically and with respect to marital behavior.
That Tamil Nadu has a rate of cousin marriage much higher than this would predict is curious, indeed, and is worth a further look. Their cousins over on Ceylon are different.
“Elon Musk has clarified his position on the H-1B visa program.”
So has Trump:
He didn’t explicitly say that those “jobs like never before” will go to those people coming in who were never here before — you know, just like all that job creation Sleepy Joe boasts about — but you’ll need to do the math on that yourselves. Or else, you can just keep huffing copium like a bunch of dummies, thereby justifying his efforts to replace you all with someone smarter. But hey, at least he’s not calling you racists, so it all worked out.
Led by Wyoming National Guard Master Sergeant Elizabeth Cheney!
Look at his recent reply to me:
HA has just confessed that the only thing stopping him from molesting his (hypothetical) child’s babysitter is the law on the books originally pushed by the babysitters’ union.
Rather than wasting his (and our) time here, he should be busy down South reporting on the 40-hour workdays and other atrocities at all those foreign-owned auto plants, such as in Lincoln, Alabama.
(Which, speaking of underpaid workers, isn’t named for whom you might think it is.)
From earlier in the same comment:
As idiotic as todays unions, such as the teachers’, can be, are they really any more corrupt than decades ago? I spent a couple of summers in the Laborers on a seasonal job in the 1980s. They might have been okay for the year-round staff, but whatever extra pay we seasonals got over the non-union workers at the same firm was quickly eaten up by initiation and reinitiation fees, along with dues. Took most of the summer to break even. A very pro-union co-worker went to their office to get a copy of their member’s handbook– and was treated rather dismissively. At the time, the union’s entire leadership was under federal indictment.
Even if working conditions in the 1950s (when goons blinded Riesel for reporting on corruption) were better due to the strength of unions, much of the source of that strength was due to stricter limits on competitive immigration. Which unions supported more than anybody.
I see you have posted a lot of comments here on Trump’s immigration policy. I don’t remember you showing this level of interest in immigration when Biden was letting millions of illegal immigrants stream across the borders. Biden also supported H-1B visas too:
https://www.deccanherald.com/business/companies/biden-admin-makes-it-easier-for-us-companies-to-hire-foreign-workers-with-h-1b-visas-3322094
These attacks on Trump and lack of previous attacks on Biden would not have anything to do with Biden eagerly supporting our proxy war with Russia in the Ukraine while Trump has shown somewhat less enthusiasm for that? After all, you have spent much of the last three years here promoting that war after the public demand for the Covid lockdowns and vaccines started to subside and you realized that you continuing to promote them was a waste of time.
“I see you have posted a lot of comments here on Trump’s immigration policy. I don’t remember you showing this level of interest in immigration when Biden was letting millions of illegal immigrants stream across the borders.”
On a site like this? What, you want me to scream that water is wet, too?
I’m sorry if this comes as news to you, but most of Steve Sailer’s readership understands that Biden’s immigration policy was a disaster in the making, and a gift to people like Trump. Does that really need further explaining here, of all places? You really needed to hear my take in order to get on board with that? What’s more, there is enough plenty enough content already when it comes to things like black folk, or Jews, or Israel, so I feel no need to pile on. Whereas a fair number of the same people who reflexively understand the harm of Biden’s policies were convinced Trump was somehow going to save them from that, even though I was noting at least as early as August that any such hopes were badly misplaced. Those were the words, in hindsight, that people needed to hear more of, and I did the best I could to broadcast them. Because unlike you, I’m not here to curry favor by jumping on popular bandwagons in order to puff up my ego. If you think I need to apologize for that, prepare for yet another round of dashed hopes.
“These attacks on Trump and lack of previous attacks on Biden would not have anything to do with Biden eagerly supporting our proxy war with Russia in the Ukraine while Trump has shown somewhat less enthusiasm for that?”
Let’s be clear, Biden’s support has been far from “eager”, and he has gone out of his way to hamstring the Ukrainians for years, worried as he is about escalation and respecting Russia’s red lines. I should think you’d appreciate caution like that, but there’s no pleasing Putin trolls like you. Whereas I totally agree that there’s a connection between Putin fanboys like Musk and Vivek who don’t really care how many people have to be crushed as long as they and their pals benefit, whether that be our allies or our home-grown tech base — and their desire to buddy up to the big and powerful of the world. Hopefully, some of the fanboys will see that, now that that is blowing up in their faces. The fact that you were talking up people like Vivek for months as some kind of light in the tunnel — when in fact, he was just the freight train coming to roll over you — makes your current saltiness all that much more delicious. I thought I was done with that once Tulsi (whom you also got tender about) got all that egg on her face by Syria, but people like you suck up defeat like sponges.
Leave it to you to try and scapegoat me in order to deflect from your disastrous advocacy for those who were able to play you just because you were desperate and eager to believe their lies about Putin (let alone your poor life choices when it comes to COVID — remind us, which one of us wound in the hospital back then just by being an idiot?). What a sound set of priorities you have!
So take it from Mark G — just focus all your failures and rage onto me. I’m sure that’ll fix everything!
“HA has just confessed that the only thing stopping him from molesting his (hypothetical) child’s babysitter is the law on the books originally pushed by the babysitters’ union.”
No, you got learn to read, and come up with something better than strawman arguments and have-you-stopped-beating-your-dog idiocy. Some mine owners DO have pity on the schmuck who lost a leg working in their tunnels. Some farmers DO treat their animals well. I never claimed otherwise. But the fact that I don’t need a law preventing me from molesting anyone doesn’t mean they’re a bad idea. I don’t agree with people making laws against drunk driving because those laws keeps me from killing anyone. I don’t need those laws to do that. It’s the guy in the oncoming lane who I want to make sure stays sober.
Really, does something that obvious need explaining? Speaking of sobriety, in the future, maybe you should let the hangover subside before posting.
“As idiotic as todays unions, such as the teachers’, can be, are they really any more corrupt than decades ago?”
An irrelevant digression. The fact that they were corrupt doesn’t mean that demanding better wages, hours and working conditions was the wrong thing to do. And were the bribes and palm-greasing they engaged in any worse than what the oligarchs were more than willing to shell out to their own pet politicians? So why fixate on them? The cop who arrests the babysitter-molester is doing a good deed, even if he’s taking bribes on the side (which also happened a lot back in those days, and still does). Again, is that really something you need have explained to you?
“much of the source of that strength was due to stricter limits on competitive immigration. Which unions supported more than anybody.”
So there you have it. Just because unions are/were corrupt, it doesn’t mean that the things they advocated for back then were wrong. Thanks for making my point.
You’re right, the goy assembly programmer is many levels above those working on scams like “AI” or “quantum computing,” though I haven’t noticed a preponderance of jews working on the latter, other than obvious scammers like the jew Altman, who may just have ordered a hit on a whistle-blower:
Let’s hope it finally brings down the OpenAI scam, as happened to his fellow jew scammer Sam Bankman-Fried and his firm FTX last year. You know, I seem to be noticing a pattern of where the jews are concentrated in tech… (I was told by a venture capitalist once that he couldn’t invest in Israeli startups, because more than half of them are outright scams)
What is curious is low rates reported for Kerala and Bangladesh.
Sri Lanka is lower than Tamilnadu because the Sinhalese majority doesn’t share Tamil kinship pattern.
Will somebody please get this klaun a good old-fashioned IBM Selectric and a couple dozen rolls of butcher paper? (Hey it was good enough for Kerouac.)
He can type all day and all night long, but the “Send” key will just be a carriage return, and nobody has to read any of it except for that creepy old ventriloquist’s dummy on the shelf in the corner — the one who gives him secret orders, and tells him to go and strangle the kindly old elderly corner grocer to get his monocle, which will be just the perfect finishing touch for his nightclub act!
Some Americans winced at immigration from Ireland and elsewhere, but ultimately we tolerated it. But our country was founded on conflict with Native Americans and enslavement of Africans. We conquered the Southwest after not being able to get along with Mexicans. When mass, legal immigration from a non-European source truly took off, we shut it down in just 14 years. Ultimately we shut down even a lot of European immigration, as well.
So no, this country has never welcomed mass immigration by anyone from anywhere, and it’s unlikely that we ever will.
Sri Lanka is only about 11% Tamil. That tip of Sri Lanka with the high rate of cousin marriage is the Northern Province, which is 93% Tamil, and which has a rate of cousin marriage similar to that of Tamil Nadu.
“I see you have posted a lot of comments here ”
Ignore the Biden stooge!
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Most of Steve Sailer’s readership despises you.
I did answer your question.
Looking forward to the mass deportations. An estimated 88 billion dollars needed. Get out your check book. But, as you infer, it’d be easier to shoot all of them instead. Maybe you need your rifle instead.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/10/22/trump-mass-deportation-plan-cost/75690260007/
From the NY Post article:
https://www.unz.com/article/the-counter-jeethad-on-x/
I’m a white engineer who worked for one of the largest employers in Silicon Valley for over 10 years, among many Indian and Chinese engineers.
The management of the company was mostly composed of workaholic whites, while the engineers were mostly drones who generated reams of technical data for white management to use for decision making.
Having come from shit holes, the Indian and Chinese engineers were much more willing to work long hours without complaint, to the company’s benefit.
Musk and his ilk are essentially using residency in the U.S. as a form of payment to their engineers. He’s the white workaholic who wants drones who will work 100 hour weeks and not complain.
Whites like me, who value some modicum of work-life balance, are far less likely to put up with that kind of treatment.
Not if they want to remain DOGE boys.
2025 has already kicked off with a flurry of lunacy. The days between now and 1/20 are going to be more of the same, given the violent proclivities of the Left. I imagine Trump’s team wants to rein in Musk and Ramalamadingdong as much as possible. The waters are muddy enough.
But hey, if you’re going to let an uber-talented Sperg and a yappy desi conman hitch their wagons to your train, there’s going to be fallout.
“Most of Steve Sailer’s readership despises you.”
I know you’re not the sharpest pencil behind the pocket protector, but what part of “I’m not here to curry favor by jumping on bandwagons in order to puff up my ego” needs explaining for you? You really think I want the approval of someone like you? I mean, don’t threaten me with a good time.
And. yeah, thanks, Sherlock — I’m sure the Putin-fanboys and COVIDiots are feeling especially salty with me right about now. ESPECIALLY the ones like Mark G who wound up fawning over someone like Vivek, who is not only a Putin stooge, because, well, that’s just not ridiculous enough for Mark G. No, it turns out Mr.-I-regret-taking-the-vaccine Ramaswamy is also a PHARMA-GRIFTER. What are the odds that of all the so-called scam-artists that Mark G. could have fallen for, he happened to pick someone like Vivek? What kind of self-loathing could have led him to that turn of events?
Because let’s remember, Vivek knows that American kids waste too much time doing cool stuff like playing sports and joining punk bands like Markie G did. He knows that things like that sap their initiative and creativity so that then they wind up whiling their lives away in some government drone job (like you know who) that efficiency experts like him will come and destroy. Vivek knows that in order to get ahead in life, you need to hit those books so that you can then become CEO a pharma-grifter. Now THAT is the ticket!
And here’s the best part. If salty little fanboys like you and Mark G continue to fall for and endorse hucksters like Vivek and the man who appointed him, and refuse to admit you’re being played for the absolute chumps you are — despite ample warning from the likes of me — you will thereby VALIDATE their resolve to replace the likes of you with people who aren’t as persistently stupid and gullible as you have chosen to be.
I mean, if he (and you) weren’t atheists, you would be thanking God in heaven for sparing you from the realization that the angels are yanking your chain big-time. I’ll say it again — Vivek isn’t just a Putin-stooge, but it turns out he is also a pharma-grifter, and a we-will-replace-you schemer. Around here, that’s what you could call a triple threat!
But as he’s told us repeatedly, Mark G is way too savvy and smart to fall for the ol’ religion schtick. No, he prefers to fall for pharma-grifters like Vivek. He thinks that’s WAY smarter!
It turns out that pseudo-Chesterton quote — about how the man who gives up believing in God winds up believing in almost anything — is right on the money.
Maybe it’s greed and myopia at it’s core with an ideology (today called ‘Multi-Culturalism’) constructed around it?
Relatedly, below is a link to the last hundred page chapter of a rather telling 1870 US fact reference book called One Hundred Years Progress of the United States. The linked chapter is entitled ‘Marvels Which our Grandchildren Will See’ and describes what life will be like in the United States a hundred years in the future, in 1970.
The New England publisher, no doubt at least in part to influence young minds, donated this expensive book free of charge to a great number of American universities, including some of the most prestigious. The linked copy here, with it’s library check out card still attached, belonged to the University of Southern California at Berkeley, and was still being routinely checked out by students there as late as 1977!
Anyhow, the primordial uncontrolled mass immigration advocating Anglo liberal ‘progressives’ of the mid 19th century, such as the author of the book excerpt linked here, who were the direct political and spiritual forebears of today’s ‘immigrant friendly’ Multi-cult advocating progressives, based upon the contents of this chapter, very clearly foresaw the resulting rapidly evolving dystopia that we see today, ie an atomized low trust, low caste, largely racially mixed hybrid American population of hundreds of millions, where the angry, disaffected, and discarded descendants of their 19th century slaves (both chattel and wage, the latter wage slaves being the so called ‘cheap labor’), regularly go on ‘random’ alcohol and drug fueled hatred driven murderous mass casualty rampages (ie stabbings) against their host population on the city’s public streets.
The progs of yesteryear foresaw all of this which we see today.
They simply didn’t care.
https://archive.org/details/onehundredyearsp00flinrich/page/460/mode/1up
Wah, wah, wah – HA says things – wah, wah, wah.
Didn’t read them. As most people don’t. Because we all despise you, a**hole.
$88 billion for deportations?
That’s less than the student loans Biden put the taxpayer on the hook for. It’s about 2/3rd what the government spends on food stamps each year. It’s barely a fraction of what we spent on the GWOT, which was started when a bunch of immigrants flew airplanes into buildings. It’s a fraction of what we spent digging out of the economic collapse that was caused, in part, by illegals who fled their underwater mortgages.
“Musk and his ilk are essentially using residency in the U.S. as a form of payment to their engineers.”
Precisely. They are literally paying their employees in stolen goods and services — physical plant (infrastructure) and social capital systems (education, health care, societal peace on the streets) which have been stolen from the US taxpayer, from the public weal, and re-purposed for private use and profit.
All of the tech companies and others should be aggressively charged and prosecuted under the RICO Act and other such laws, for mass theft of goods and services, and for conspiracy to do so. (And then of course, over-charged with tons of additional larded-on semi- and ir- relevant extra charges, as seems to be the fashion these days.) Also, if it can be shown (and it can) that tons of pajeets residing here negatively impacts housing prospects and housing costs for Sacred Negroes, then they should be charged with civil rights crimes, too.
The Troll button needs a companion– Tar Baby. Or perhaps
When Pierre Poilievre called the Turdeau government a”chaotic clown show”, I had to look up how that was expressed in French. It’s spectacle de clown chaotique. It’s also clown in German, Dutch, and Swedish. Is the concept really that Anglo-Saxon that their own tongues lack a word that measures up? It’s klovn in Danish, but that’s just a phonetic respelling of the loan word. (Itself weird, as it’s the Norwegians, not the Danes, who usually do that– stasjon, sentrum, nonsjalanse…)
“Is the concept really that Anglo-Saxon that their own tongues lack a word that measures up?”
I think it’s more likely that their own home-grown tradition of Continental mediaeval performance-comedy is too variegated and sophisticated (ranging from Harlequin and Pierrot and Jester all the way down to Punch and Judy, with all sorts of minstrels, acrobats, mimes and bawdy balladeers in between) to have one umbrella word for it.
Nowadays even in English, actual “clowns” are so rare that we generally use the word just in a derogatory sense — these days you call someone a clown they don’t shoot back, You mean like the great expressive visual comedians Stan Laurel and Lucille Ball? Even in Shakespeare’s day, the role of “Clown” could be widely assigned, to a smooth wit like Robert Armin just as much as to an acrobatic crowd-pleasing bumbler like Will Kemp.
Recently I had the great pleasure of doing some work with two women who are traditional, classically trained clowns in the old sense. They were describing some of the training techniques they went through, and they may as well have been judo triple black-belts, for all the physical intensity and precision of it. Rather eye-opening. Back in the day, for the same reason, whenever possible I used to try and cast dancers instead of actors if I could get away with it.
You miss again — on both counts.
How can you be such an idiot? It’s like trying to talk to a barking dog.
I suspect it’s also less than it would cost to let them stay here. In fact, I’m sure of it. Ten million (at least!) illegals x $10,000.00 (at least!) per illegal per year…we’d be in the black after one year.
Economically, it’s a no brainer.
Nor is there any reason why we should.
Indeed, there is every reason why we shouldn’t.
Oh, we’re back to pretending you don’t read me? What, is it Thursday already?
I don’t know what entertains me more: your implicit realization that the Putin/COVID fanboy idiot brigade is in desperate need of help right about now, given the pharma-grifters they’ve pinned their hopes on, or else, the insane notion that your incoherent thrashing is what’s needed to set things right. I’m sure Sailer and Cochran are regretting their choices to avoid all those dumpster fires right about now.
See, you should do what Mark G does and spend more free time (which, in his case, are what those of us who don’t work at government jobs call work hours) getting caught up on Billie Eilish (oh, she’s the real deal, she is! a pop sensation!) and other totally non-creepy hobbies like that.
Why, I’m sure that as soon as Vivek finds about about Mark G’s encyclopaedic knowledge of high culture like Billie E (that I stress again he’s somehow managed to acquire while pretending to work at his government job), he’ll do a complete 180 when it comes to his conviction that Americans spend too much time desperately worrying about how to be popular and not enough time on book-learnin’. He’ll turn back from his Trump-approved designs to replace useless heartland drones like him with some spicier newer people. He will agree that people like Mark G are exactly the kind of governmental efficiency we need, and are totally worthy of their government salaries and that their jobs SAVE us money.
And if Vivek doesn’t come through, don’t worry about that, either. Because in another 4 years, your COVID-addled memories will have retained none of this, and people around here will be doubling down your sucker act by falling head over heels for Tulsi or some other stooge.
“Some Americans winced at immigration from Ireland and elsewhere, but ultimately we tolerated it.”
This “we” being whom?
Anyways, that group along with others proved they could assimilate despite thoughts to the contrary.
“But our country was founded on conflict with Native Americans and enslavement of Africans.”
Partly founded you mean. There was also conflict between different ethnic groups and among religious groups. Yet, they figured it out to get along.
“We conquered the Southwest after not being able to get along with Mexicans.”
Context escapes you. Americans settled in Mexican controlled land. It became Texas. There is a history of whites and Mexicans getting along fairly well.
“When mass, legal immigration from a non-European source truly took off, we shut it down in just 14 years.”
The Chinese greatly aided in tje building of the transcontinental railroad. And it’s not stupefying that racial animosity led to the 1882 Exclusion Act. But they and other Asians showed they could assimilate.
“Ultimately we shut down even a lot of European immigration, as well.”
You mean tried to slow it down in the 1920s.
“So no, this country has never welcomed mass immigration by anyone from anywhere, and it’s unlikely that we ever will.”
Nonsense.
“That’s less than the student loans Biden put the taxpayer on the hook for. It’s about 2/3rd what the government spends on food stamps each year. It’s barely a fraction of what we spent on the GWOT, which was started when a bunch of immigrants flew airplanes into buildings. It’s a fraction of what we spent digging out of the economic collapse that was caused, in part, by illegals who fled their underwater mortgages.
Great! Get your checkbook out.
At the risk of revealing my sources, which may be out of date (i.e., just like perceptrons), I’ll defer to your expertise, though I will note that, even on the basis of what you say, I think you’d agree that the typical response around here is then probably going to be “You say it’s all a scam? Well then, OF COURSE Jews are going to be way over-represented”.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/news/2025/01/02/cybertruck-bomber-used-same-car-app-as-new-orleans-attacker/
https://archive.is/2HZnk
Livelsberger, right, wearing a T-shirt in support of Ukraine
Hell, if we can spend $88 billion just to get one group of whites to kill another group of whites on the other side of the planet at the behest of blood-soaked Jews, I’m sure we can spend another 88 bill on kicking out invaders (also here at the behest of Jews, btw; like herpes, the gift that keeps on giving!). Unless it would be cheaper to somehow get them to kill one another. Which seems to be all the rage these days anyway.
One character is definitely Jewish. This show was one of the few places that had jokes about Judaism. The other husband of a blond is from New England and I always pegged his character as a mainstream Protestant. This is to contrast him with the Evangelical protestants relatives of the autistic one. However in one episode he arranged a tour of the local Catholic churches in the area for the autistic one’s mother. He seemed to be familiar with these places.
There are still significant political, educational, and economic differences between various white ethnic groups, despite the fact that we are often physically almost indistinguishable from one another.
As for blacks, they’ve been here for over 400 years now, and there are still frequent outbreaks of interracial violence, and crime rates that are literally an order of magnitude higher than white crime rates.
The assumption that all ethnic, racial and religious groups will eventually coalesce into a single demographic block that peacefully coexists contradicts everything we know from human history. It’s also brazenly stupid to think it will happen when one of our major political parties is openly devoted to inciting ethnic conflict for its own political gain.
Is it possible that all that will change? Sure. But it’s absolutely insane to risk our country’s future on an unprecedented experiment that is only likely to be reversed by extreme violence. We have very little to gain from open borders and literally everything to lose. You’d have better odds investing in lottery tickets.
You’re being rather selective with who is what. Blond shiksa Bernadette was played by Melissa Rauch, who is Jewish. “The ugly Jewess,” Amy Farah Fowler, isn’t Jewish in the show but is played by Jewish actress Mayim Bialik. They either both aren’t Jewish (based on the character bios) or they both are (based on the actresses portraying them).
Leonard Hofstadter is never, ever described as Jewish, though all of the Hofstadters with Wikipedia bios are Jewish (there’s a grand total of five of them). They might have wanted to go somewhere with his ethnicity but just never did. If I’m making up a family history for him I’m gunna say he’s patrilineally descended from a German Jewish great-grandfather who married a WASP woman sometime back in the mid-1800s, left Judaism behind and made intellectualism the family religion.
The show pretty much enjoyed poking fun at all of the characters and their varied backgrounds. They mocked the evangelical Christianity of Sheldon’s mother but made up for it by giving her an emotional intelligence lacked by all of the nerdy males and their parents. Her reputation, as well as the reputation of Sheldon’s deceased father, improved considerably in the prequel series, “Young Sheldon.”
“The suspect’s wife reportedly told the authorities that Livelsberger had not been at their home in Colorado Springs since an argument around Christmas about allegations of infidelity. ”
Took a page out of Bill Clinton’s book, it would appear.
” The other husband of a blond is from New England and I always pegged his character as a mainstream Protestant.”
You’re referring to the Leonard Hofstadter character. Is that a WASP’ish name? Did you ever see who they got to play his father?
His mother’s character is played by Christine Baranski, is a psychologist, and is very critical towards her son’s blond shiksa girlfriend. Baranski may or may not be of Jewish descent, but she doesn’t look like any NE Wasp women I’ve ever seen.
“You’re being rather selective with who is what. Blond shiksa Bernadette was played by Melissa Rauch, who is Jewish. ”
No – I’m talking about the visual representation of the characters. Does Raugh look jewish at a glance? No, but Bailik certainly does. The Leonard character is played by a non jewish actor, but the character looks like he could be and certainly acts like he is (smarmy and neurotic) He father is played by actor Judd Hersch, who one of the most jewish looking actors ever.
“The show pretty much enjoyed poking fun at all of the characters and their varied backgrounds.”
And we can nit pick all day but all one needs to do is apply a sense of proportion to the content and to the broader messaging of sitcoms (and movies*) in general. The show takes digs a the ultimate low hanging fruit – rural Christian whites – so groundbreaking! – at rates obviously disproportional to the requisite self deprecation of the main characters (literally sitcom 101)
Regardless, Peace’s comment of “That is a show where nerdy white males are the glamorous heroes who get the foxy blonds.” isn’t really accurate. “Dopey jew gets the hot shiksa” (see every Adam Sandler movie ever made) is one of the most reoccurring themes in Hollywood, up there with “make fun of rural whites Christians.”
*Yeah, Mel Brooks made funny references to Jewish culture, those were footnotes in a encyclopedia of fun made of normie and rural whites (while promoting the notion that whites were racists and of low moral stock in general).
TikTok helped Trump increase his percentage of the youth vote. It may even have been the decisive factor in winning him the election.
Young females ages 18-29 of all races increased their support of Trump from 33% in 2020 to 4o% in 2024. Young males ages 18-29 of all races increased their support of Trump from 41% in 2020 to 56% in 2024.
Young voters ages 18-29 of all races constituted 14% of Americans who cast votes for president in the 2024 election. A total of about 155 million votes for president were cast. 21,70o,000 of those votes were youth votes.
Assuming that equal numbers of males and females voted, there was an increase in the female youth vote for Trump of 759,500 votes and an increase in the male youth vote for Trump of 1,627,500 votes. That makes for a grand total of 2,387,000 votes overall.
Trump received 2,284,371 more votes than Harris in the 2024 election. America’s youth can be credited with almost all of that margin of victory.
Of course, it’s the electoral college – not the popular vote – that counts most in a presidential election. Youth turnout was higher in swing states than in the rest of the states. So, it can safely be said that Trump’s victory was entirely due to the shift in the youth vote.
And TikTok – which is a perfect meme factory, and lefties can’t meme – was largely responsible for this victory.
Will Trump acknowledge this gift? Or will he show his usual lack of gratitude and inability to distinguish friend from foe? We shall see.
That’s a plot twist! Musk used to get bullied so badly and so often as a child that he had to leave public school.
From Musk’s biography:
“In one such incident of bullying, Musk was beaten up so badly at his school that he was hospitalised due to serious injuries to his face and nose. Eventually, as he was “regularly picked on by bullies,” he had to be withdrawn from public school and enrolled in a private academy. The trauma from the bullying was so significant that Musk had to undergo decades of surgeries to repair the damage caused to his face and nose.”
Musk’s childhood:
https://www.indiatoday.in/technology/news/story/elon-musk-faced-bullying-in-childhood-was-hospitalised-and-forced-to-leave-school-2435046-2023-09-13
“There are still significant political, educational, and economic differences between various white ethnic groups”
The gap is not as large as you have been led to believe. Are you inferring that certain white ethnic groups are “better” or “superior” than other white ethnic groups?
“As for blacks, they’ve been here for over 400 years now, and there are still frequent outbreaks of interracial violence, and crime rates that are literally an order of magnitude higher than white crime rates.”
OK.
“The assumption that all ethnic, racial and religious groups will eventually coalesce into a single demographic block that peacefully coexists contradicts everything we know from human history.”
It has happened in the U.S. It’s who we are.
“It’s also brazenly stupid to think it will happen when one of our major political parties is openly devoted to inciting ethnic conflict for its own political gain.”
Yes, the GOP is asserting itself as being on the side of the tribe. Look at the HbD1 fiasco.
“But it’s absolutely insane to risk our country’s future on an unprecedented experiment that is only likely to be reversed by extreme violence.”
LOL, right. I’ve heard this “argument” for decades now. As far as this happening, as you said, you’d have better odds investing in lottery ticket.
https://archive.org/details/the-twilight-zone-s-2-e-1-colorized-720p-hd/the+twilight+zone-s2e23-colorized-720p-hd.mkv
According to the 14th amendment and USA customs vs Tin 1897 Supreme Court findings and ruling.
You’re absolutely wrong. Get off the angry old men websites and take a constitutional law course. Born in America everyone is a natural born citizen. Whether you and I like it it not.
Not being an American or even not being an American who lives a thousand Nikes away from Texas West Los Angeles coastal Washington State around Seattle and SantaClara County Ca where the tech workers live and work.
And bring to America all their elderly relatives not just parents and grandparents but aunts uncles second cousins etc, the whole clan
These eligible for family unification older relatives as long as they have a birth certificate and passport stating they are 65 whether they are 45 or 65
The family unification relatives are signed up for Medicare Medicaid SSI social security EBT cards free meals and every possible senior citizen benefit in America.
Plus the HI B visa holders never never go home to Asia India or wherever they came from.
Go to the 3000 blocks of Sepulveda Blvd of W Los Angeles Redmond Everett Seattle and other tech towns of Washington State and all the towns in Santa Clara County Ca and southern San Mateo county Ca Especially Cupertino Mountain View and Sunnyvale
You will see as many white and gray haired Chinese and Indian oldsters living in American senior citizen benefits as you will see young and middle aged Chinese and Indian tech workers.
Once again ignoramuses of Unz
Get off the internet and out into the real world. Post comments only about what you know and observe.
Stop posting internet falsehoods.
HI B holders never go home. And they bring in all their elderly relatives and non relatives to parasite off every senior citizen benefit America has. Thanks to American taxpayer funded NGOs who take them to the social security EBT office the day after they arrive.
Don’t post an ignorant comment if you don’t know the difference between SSI and SSA.
It’s not just Asians and Indians. It’s also Armenians Persians Afghanistanis other Stanis Russians and Israelis
America health education and welfare for the children of trash countries . And old age benefits and medical old age for trash countries that gave minimal or no old age benefits.
Jonathan Mason Jack D and others are so abysmally ignorant they claim HI B and other vida holders go home when their visas expire. Truth is they don’t.
Get off your computers and get to the places I’ve mentioned. The residential areas hospitals Dr offices nursing homes and social security offices are packed with ancient non White foreigners parasitizing off the American taxpayers.
Cupertino Ca from 100 percent White to mostly Indian in 40 years.
As for White American men being so badly educated they can’t learn to code. The truth is that the universities viciously discriminate against them in admissions. Banned by federal and state affirmative action laws from tech education at age 18. And even if they do manage a tech education banned from employment in their field by vicious capitalist pig cheap labor tech companies.
Only ancient old people watch television.
Proud to tell you all that everyone of my Drs is a White American man younger than 50. Even in California I managed to find them. Just informed Medicare and the supplemental insurance company only White American man instead of an affirmative action foreigner with dubious credentials.
Ron and the men of unz have no idea how widespread the use of professional test takers is outside of America and Western Europe. And lending or renting valid medical credentials and Dr licenses to friends and relatives to apply for medical jobs. The Verghese Patel with his MD name tag or Xibao Chen with his RN MD name tag might or might not be the real person with the real credential.
Oremus.
Blacks gonna black.
Why is the United States unable to train sufficient numbers of….
‘United States’ is not a corporation that has a planning department. Sufficient numbers of XYZ are trained based on market perception of cost of training them and return (in earnings) from the training. For medical professions, the costs are high and returns seem not commensurate with the costs compared to alternate professions. Then you have to add demographic changes which are leading to retirement of 1946-64 cohort and smaller number of younger Americans. Younger Americans also appear to be academically less capable due to a variety of educational and social reasons. Then there is a preference of specialties – many physicians want high income and less stressful specialties like sports medicine, dermatology, plastic surgery, cosmetic surgery etc., compared to say, orthopedics. Next you have their preference to practice in urban and suburban areas and avoidance of rural areas due to revenue opportunity. Put it all together, a free market-based healthcare will always have plentiful supply in high revenue propensity locales and specialties and shortages in low revenue propensity locales and specialties. This is not surprising. This is the same reason U.S. manufacturers are building trucks and SUVs but not small cars.
“Is that about the size of it?”
No.
I have gratitude for those immigrant who are anyway here working hard to become assimilated.
The Ellis Island narrative is not schmaltz; rather, it is an embedded part of our history as a nation.
And “immigration advocacy” and the extent to which is “screwing” over the USA is nuanced, not this simplistic black or white notion you are putting forth.
Let’s get back to something our avoiding. Are Jews in the first place troublemakers? Do you agree that your kind engaged in conduct that warranted exclusion? Do you honestly believe it was the best interest to keep your ancestors out base in their faulty perceptions? Isn’t this “troublemaking” inherent in your group—a feature, not a bug—that you today display?
Perhaps self-deporting is a reasonable solution in your part given how your tribe went full court press with “immigration advocacy”. Or so I’ve been told.
You miss the point. It won’t cost us anything at all to deport those here illegally; we will save by doing so.
It’s like if your car is broken down and you have to ‘spend’ $400 to fix it. Well, since the alternative is to spend $50 on taxi fare per day to get to and from work until you do, it’s actually not going to cost you anything at all to fix your car. What will cost you is not fixing it.
One of these days you’ll start leaving off that ‘or so I’ve been told.’
Then you will have become one of us. You’ll have joined the Dark Side.
‘I like Steve’s suggestion of the top 0.1% but maybe expand it to the top1%’
I’d shrink it to the top 0% percent. Maybe revisit that in twenty years and see how we feel about it.
Alright then, something else from that family:
https://www.barrons.com/articles/important-collection-of-illuminated-manuscripts-and-early-printed-books-heads-to-auction-at-christies-01613078778
Important Collection of Illuminated Manuscripts and Early Printed Books Heads to Auction at Christie’s
https://www.newsweek.com/biden-just-gave-final-middle-finger-working-class-way-out-opinion-2003589
https://archive.is/CRGIk
You seem mystified by the notion that one may reply to you without having read whatever drivel you’ve written.
Well, the stupid are often mystified.
You just can’t abide the notion that we don’t all hang on your every word, don’t you, you loathsome, vile little man?
“One of these days you’ll start leaving off that ‘or so I’ve been told.’”
https://blerp.com/soundbites/5e3b92dead56eb0005d8aa66
That’s simply not true. For example, if a black moves into a Mexican housing project, he is literally likely to get killed. ‘Beat up a Haole day’ is a regular event in public schools on Hawaii.
‘A single demographic block that peacefully coexists’ is not the norm, nor is it becoming the norm. De facto segregation or racial strife is the norm, always has been, and always will be.
The alternative might very well be what you would like us to be. It most certainly isn’t who we are. It’s not who anyone is. Arguably, it might be nice if it were so. However, it isn’t so.
“I’d shrink it to the top 0%.”
That would be ok with me. What is likely to happen, though, under Trump is that there will be a compromise where the tech bros won’t get as many H-1B Indians as they want and those who want the number to be zero won’t get what they want. The number will be somewhere in the middle between the two extremes.
The number of Indian H-1B workers under Trump will still probably be fewer than it would have been under the half Indian and pro-immigrant Kamala Harris. Indian Americans themselves understood this, which is why more than sixty percent of them just voted for her.
Trump is also more likely to reduce illegal Hispanic immigration at the southern border. Overall, a Trump administration will be better for immigration restrictionists than a continuation of the millions of immigrants that flooded the country when the Democrats were in power.
“Not if they want to remain DOGE boys.”
Who are you trying to kid here? If Trump and his (Jew) side-kick Miller were serious, they would have fired those two asshats. Instead, they are letting them run their mouths off. My vague impression is that IF Trump/Miller get rid of them, there would be even more fallout. Why were these two guys allowed to make policy in the first place?
“I imagine Trump’s team wants to rein in Musk and Ramalamadingdong as much as possible. The waters are muddy enough.”
Wants to, but does it have the actual stones to do it? Again, those two clowns should never been part of Trump’s team to begin with. Why are you covering for Trump’s incompetence?
“But hey, if you’re going to let an uber-talented Sperg and a yappy desi conman hitch their wagons to your train, there’s going to be fallout. ”
But it was totally unnecessary to begin with. But now Trump supports HbD1 visas. Why? Musk footed his campaign bill. Trump owes him.
“under Trump is that there will be a compromise where the tech bros won’t get as many H-1B Indians as they want and those who want the number to be zero won’t get what they want.”
JFC, NO compromise is needed. There was a clear message by Trump to MAGAheads–NO HbD1 visas. Period. Now he is cucking to the pressure by two advisors who are PAPER AMERICANS (as some people say), aka not “true Americans”. It is nuts how some people here are defending Trump’s hypocrisy. This entire issue would have gone away had Trump/Miller immediately put their foot down and told those two asshats/clowns STFU, the adults are in charge, there is NO expansion whatsoever of HbD1 visas, right?
Greetings, Alden,
Happy New Year!
I hope this comment finds you well…
There are three elements essential to being a natural born citizen. They are:
1. Born in the USA on U.S. Soil. (Jus Soli)
2. Father must be a U.S. Citizen (born or naturalized).
3. Mother must be a U.S. Citizen (born or naturalized).
“The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are Citizens”. Vattel (Law of Nations)
“The true bond which connects the child with the body politic is not the matter of an inanimate piece of land, but the moral relations of his parentage. The place of birth produces no change in the rule that children follow the condition of their fathers.” Vattel (Law of Nations)
“To what nation a person belongs is by the laws of all nations closely dependent on descent. It is almost a universal rule that the citizenship of the parents determines it, that of the father where children are lawful, and, where they are bastards, that of their mother, without regard to the place of their birth; and that must necessarily be recognized as the correct canon, since nationality is in its essence dependent on descent.” Bar (International Law , No. 31)
When one reads through the documents of the day it is abundantly clear that the founders not only debated whether simply being a citizen or “born a citizen” should be enough to qualify one for the presidency but that they ultimately rejected the idea in favor of Vattel’s “natural born citizen”. This is no accident. These men chose their words very carefully when penning that document.
When Alexander Hamilton delivered to the Constitutional Convention a proposed draft of the US Constitution, his proposal was that the President must be “a citizen of one of the states or hereafter be born a citizen of the United States”.
In response to this proposal, Congress was warned that it would open the Presidency to the possibility of foreign influence.
Future Chief Justice John Jay wrote in a letter to George Washington…
“Permit me to hint, whether it would not be wise and seasonable to provide a strong check to the admission of Foreigners into the administration of our national Government, and to declare expressly that the Commander in chief of the American army shall not be given to, nor devolve on, any but a natural born Citizen.”
Recognizing the danger, Congress rejected the proposal of “born a citizen”, and instead inserted the much more strict requirement of a “natural born citizen”. They are not the same thing, as anyone reading the definition clearly understands.
The correct understanding has been known throughout US history until it recently became politically inconvenient. For example, on June 2, 1924, Congress enacted the Indian Citizenship Act, which granted citizenship to all Native Americans born in the U.S.
Why would they do that if everyone born on our magic soil was already a citizen under the 14th amendment?
The civil rights act became law on April 9, 1866, and provided that “all persons born in the United States, and not subject to any foreign power, excluding Indians not taxed, are hereby declared to be citizens of the United States.”
In 1884, 16 years after the 14th amendment was ratified, John Elk, who was an Indian (feather not •) went to the Supremes to argue that he was an American citizen because he was born in the United States. He lost. In Elk v. Wilkins, 112 U.S. 94, the Supremes ruled that the 14th amendment did not grant Indians, or the children of non-citizens, citizenship.
During a debate regarding a certain Dr. Houard, who had been incarcerated in Spain, the issue was raised on the floor of the House of Representatives as to whether the man was a US citizen. Representative Bingham (of Ohio), stated on the floor:
“As to the question of citizenship I am willing to resolve all doubts in favor of a citizen of the United States. That Dr. Houard is a natural-born citizen of the United States there is not room for the shadow of a doubt. He was born of naturalized parents within the jurisdiction of the United States, and by the express words of the Constitution, as amended to-date, he is declared to all the world to be a citizen of the United States by birth.”
Bingham declares Houard to be a “natural-born citizen” by citing two factors – born of citizen parents and born in the US.
Here’s another pair of quotes from Bingham, co-author of the 14th amendment…
“Every human being born within the jurisdiction of the US of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of the Constitution itself, a natural born citizen.” – John Bingham, framer of the 14th Amendment’s first section
“All from other lands, who by the terms of congressional laws and a compliance with their provisions become naturalized, are adopted citizens of the United States; all other persons born within the Republic, of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty, are natural born citizens. Gentleman can find no exception to this statement touching natural-born citizens except what is said in the Constitution relating to Indians.”- (Cong. Globe, 37th, 2nd Sess., 1639 (1862))
There are many examples of this understanding through out history…
“If it was intended that anybody who was a citizen by birth should be eligible, it would only have been necessary to say, “no person, except a native-born citizen”; but the framers thought it wise, in view of the probable influx of European immigration, to provide that the president should at least be the child of citizens owing allegiance to the United States at the time of his birth.” – “NATURAL-BORN CITIZEN OF THE UNITED STATES: ELIGIBILITY FOR THE OFFICE OF PRESIDENT” (Albany Law Journal Vol. 66 (1904-1905))
“…the term ‘natural born citizen’ is used and excludes all persons owing allegiance by birth to foreign states.” – The New Englander and Yale Law Review, Volume 3 (1845), p. 414
From June 11, 2003 to February 28, 2008, there were eight different congressional attempts to alter the Article II – Section I – Clause V – natural born citizen requirements for president in the U.S. Constitution, all of them failing in committee.
Here are those Congress.gov links…
https://www.congress.gov/bill/108th-congress/house-joint-resolution/59
https://www.congress.gov/bill/108th-congress/house-joint-resolution/67
https://www.congress.gov/bill/108th-congress/house-joint-resolution/104
https://www.congress.gov/bill/109th-congress/house-joint-resolution/2
https://www.congress.gov/bill/109th-congress/house-joint-resolution/15
https://www.congress.gov/bill/109th-congress/house-joint-resolution/42
https://www.congress.gov/bill/110th-congress/senate-bill/2678
https://www.congress.gov/bill/108th-congress/senate-bill/2128
Clearly some powerful people want anchorbabies and foreigners to be eligible to the presidency.
Unsurprisingly, most of the articles I’ve read in support of the elimination of the “natural born citizen” requirement come from immigrants and foreigners themselves. However, the evidence is undeniable; the framers simply did not intend the children of foreigners who owed allegiance to a foreign power at the time of their birth to ascend to the presidency.
Cheers! ☮
Chinese Exclusion Act was repeal in 1943, not 1946, as compensation for China allying with America against Japan.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Exclusion_Act#Repeal_and_status
Did America become a superpower before 1945? No, it didn’t.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superpower
Burlingame Treaty was signed so to prevent Britain and Russia from dominating commercially in China.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Opium_War
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia_in_the_Opium_Wars
Chinese immigration was pushed by Yankee Republicans, to undercut the mainly Irish working class
A political cartoon from 1882, criticizing Chinese exclusion
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rutherford_B._Hayes
Americans did not tolerate Asian immigration, some white Americans outright advocated for Asian immigration, to one-up other white Americans. Just like Musk is doing now.
And for America to advance its geopolitical interests. America allied with China against Japan, and now America is suppose to ally with India against China.
How do you think that alliance is going?
“I know you’re not the sharpest pencil behind the pocket protector, but what part of “I’m not here to curry favor by jumping on bandwagons in order to puff up my ego” needs explaining for you? You really think I want the approval of someone like you? I mean, don’t threaten me with a good time.”
So why are you here? Do you just enjoy annoying people?
“…Sufficient numbers of XYZ are trained based on market perception of cost of training them and return (in earnings) from the training. …”
The cost of training is kept artificially high to reduce competition and keep earnings up. Things are far from a free market. For good reasons and bad.
Are you over the age of 60?
there will be a compromise
NO HbD1 visas
You know legal immigration is set by Congress and Trump has nothing to do with it? You think he has the political skills of an acrobat to get any legislation with an evenly divided Congress? His priority, after tax cuts for the investors and ‘job creators’ is tariffs and closing the borders/deportation of illegals.
The cost of training is kept artificially high to reduce competition and keep earnings up. Things are far from a free market. For good reasons and bad.
Can you please elaborate? Medical schools are not all managed centrally. You have Harvard and John Hopkins at one end and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Northstate_University_College_of_Medicine at the other, which is basically a diploma mill. How can they cartel together and keep high costs? Also, since their high-cost monopoly attempt is being easily defeated by the flood of Foreign Medical Graduates (Both U.S. residents and immigrants), other than losing their market share, they are not achieving much. And the earnings are not being held as high as the cartel wants due to said increased supply along with powerful insurance industry.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cholera#History_of_outbreaks
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cholera#In_popular_culture
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cholera#India
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_cholera
“You know legal immigration is set by Congress and Trump has nothing to do with it?”
You’re missing the point. Trump made it a priority to say no to HbD1 visas. Then he does an about face.
You think he has the political skills of an acrobat to get any legislation with an evenly divided Congress?
“His priority, after tax cuts for the investors”
Right, for the wealthy. He will throw a bone or two for flyerover country. Big f—- deal. We’ve seen this movie play out before.
“and ‘job creators’ is tariffs”
LOL, solid economic policy right there.
“closing the borders/deportation of illegals.”
At the cost of tens of billions of dollars. Get out your checkbook.
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https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/roma-gypsies-in-prewar-europe
https://web.archive.org/web/20111018074547/https://vdare.com/articles/a-gypsy-is-haunting-europe
You seem unhappy. But remember: “Politics is the art of the possible, the attainable — the art of the next best.” This is not for those who desire perfection or excellence. The name of the game is compromise – mediocrity is good.
? Both of the examples shown are illustrated medieval Christian manuscripts. How does this demonstrate the importance of Jewish artists? Is it your contention that these works wouldn’t have been preserved at all had they not been bought by Jews?
“That’s simply not true. For example, if a black moves into a Mexican housing project, he is literally likely to get killed. “
Appeal to extremes fallacy.
“Beat up a Haole day’ is a regular event in public schools on Hawaii.”
Regular, as in recurring at uniform intervals. OK, prove it.
“A single demographic block that peacefully coexists’ is not the norm, nor is it becoming the norm. De facto segregation or racial strife is the norm, always has been, and always will be”
Fallacy of oversimplification.
Elon Musk just tweeted that Nigel Farage doesn’t have what it takes to lead Reform UK. He said Reform needs a new leader. This after Farage said Musk is a friend.
“You seem unhappy.”
Yes, about hypocrisy. You?
“But remember: “Politics is the art of the possible, the attainable — the art of the next best.” This is not for those who desire perfection or excellence. The name of the game is compromise – mediocrity is good.”
A fine motto that describes the incoming presidency. Thanks for NOTICING.
Some reality check:
My taximeter is already reading almost a Trillion dollars. Do you think Congress can appropriate that kind of money?
https://www.unz.com/article/the-causes-of-the-vietnam-war/
https://www.unz.com/aanglin/people-say-but-what-about-black-africans-they-at-least-have-a-little-animal-like-charm-but-god-those-indians-ack-pathetic/
Thune isn’t an advocate of ‘reality’. He’s just a Chamber of Commerce bag man.
Maybe. But he is the man wearing the pants. If he keeps his purse strings closed, MAGA dreams will go up & up like that bunch of balloons in the movie.
If their lips are moving, it’s a safe bet they’re lying. From Wiki – “The American Immigration Council is a Washington, D.C.–based 501(c)(3) nonprofit organization and advocacy group. It was established in 1987, originally as the American Immigration Law Foundation, by the American Immigration Lawyers Association.”
And if you can’t trust the American Immigration Lawyers assoc. to be even-handed, who can you trust?
From their website
“Our Vision: We envision a nation where immigrants are embraced, communities are enriched, and justice prevails for all. We strive to create a society that values immigrants as vital contributors to our nation and where everyone is afforded an equal opportunity to thrive socially, economically, and culturally.”
With ‘nonpartisans’ like that, who needs partisans?
Yes, I already cited the cost previously.
Doesn’t matter the cost. MAGAheads want towel heads gone, come hell or high water. The litmus test is coming–if you are a GOP member of the House or Senate, are you on board or not on board with massive deportations? If not, apparently Stephen Miller will get the attack dogs on them.
We envision a nation where immigrants are embraced, communities are enriched, and justice prevails for all.
So they’re Chaos Magick Horseshoe Theory on horse, and they’ll both import the rapists, and then lynch them?
You don’t have to trust immigration lawyers for goodness of policy, but surely you should give weight to what their billing will be! $88,000 per deportee doesn’t look at all expensive for government work if you deal with government and lawyers. There is a lot of fixed cost involved: lots of immigration courts, immigration judges, interpreters, public defenders, appeals, stays, writs, etc., This is a gravy train for the legal profession. They may even have to hire 100,000 H1B lawyers to pump out a million deportees out the door! Remember we work with $435 for a hammer, $600 for a toilet seat, and $7,000 for an aircraft coffee maker government.
I’m gonna go out on a limb here and say they, in all likelihood, have a different concept of ‘Justice’ than we do.
A USG acting in good faith could start by enforcing 8 USC 1324: Bringing in and harboring certain aliens. You would be surprised how many illegal aliens would leave if they no longer could get under-the-table employment, let alone cash stipends from the USG.
https://www.unz.com/article/will-the-civil-war-between-the-tech-right-and-nationalist-populists-implode-maga/
“Deporting illegal alien criminals will save taxpayers money”
The same is true of illegal immigrants relying on welfare. An example is the Guatemalan who lived in a homeless shelter in New York city and spent his days drinking and doing drugs, something he would still be doing today if he hadn’t attracted attention by setting a woman on fire.
Many big cities now are straining their budgets providing services to illegal immigrants. For example, according to an August 2024 ABC news article by Samantha Blitz, the city of New York has spent five billion dollars on them in the last two years. While it costs money to deport them, in the long run it costs more to let them stay.
No courts, no lawyers, no hearings, no appeals, no paperwork. Cattle cars, stuffed to the gills, at gunpoint. That’s the only way it will ever work. Too bad. This is existential in nature, and must be dealt with on existential-crisis, end-of-the-world terms. Remember, we’re not the ones who asked for this: they did.
When the Allies landed at Normandie, they did not first go ahead and hand out flyers and questionnaires to German troops asking which Nazi policies they agreed with or disagreed with, to figure out who to shoot. They just shot at the enemy, n’importe qui.
Well guess what: Immigrants are now the enemy. Like the Algerians said to the French, there are two ways for you to leave: one is with a suitcase, the other, less pleasant.
Think of it as an anti-colonialist struggle, which it is. Except we are the ones being colonized, so we are the ones with the right and the duty to get rough with the colonizers.
And your theory is that they are desperately trying to head off that gravy train for ‘reasons’? If it was indeed the case that a windfall was going to come their way from deportations, they would all be wearing MAGA hats and planting VANCE/TRUMP 2028 lawn signs even as we speak.
I think they are just arguing why it seems impractical. If Congress appropriates $100B tomorrow, you will see them suddenly all in on the deportation gravy train and dreaming of new yachts and summer homes.
“You don’t have to trust immigration lawyers for goodness of policy, but surely you should give weight to what their billing will be! $88,000 per deportee doesn’t look at all expensive for government work if you deal with government and lawyers. …”
This is why you really need to change the laws so there are no legal obstacles to deporting illegal immigrants. In particular no legal right of refuge here regardless of what will happen when you are deported.
Read the 14th amendment anyone born in the US is a natural born citizen. That’s all.
Read the findings and order in Tin vs US customs 1896.
Tin was born in San Francisco of immigrant parents both parents. 35 years later, Tin went to China on business. When he returned the ship went to Oakland. US customs officials refused to admit him.
Tin sued. Case went to the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court FOUND that the 14th amendment means exactly what is written. Born in the US a natural born citizen.
You are an idiot. Whatever you erroneously think the 14th amendment and Tin vs UScustoms stands.
You’re completely wrong. A typical useless conservative fool.
I take the attitude that to enjoy the legal rights and protections offered by a community, you have to be a citizen of that community.
That’s what a citizen is. I am a citizen of the US; I enjoy whatever rights and protections the US offers its citizens. I am not a citizen of Norway; whatever rights and protections Norway may offer its citizens, I don’t share in them.
Obviously, if someone came here illegally, they’re not a citizen of this country. They enjoy no legal rights and protections here. To enjoy those, one would need to be a citizen.
Therefore, we can summarily deport them. If I find someone trespassing on my property, I need not initiate eviction proceedings. I can simply expel him.
Stix staring into the abyss. While the abyss stares into him…
“Obviously, if someone came here illegally, they’re not a citizen of this country. They enjoy no legal rights and protections here. To enjoy those, one would need to be a citizen.”
That is not currently the case. Among other things whether someone is here illegally can be disputed. Especially when current law grants admission to refugees. And non-citizens should have some rights. If someone is visiting legally they should be protected from criminal attacks.
99% of the problem is determining they are illegal and to figure where to deport them to. In the absence of strong evidence, no country wants to take a deportee. For example, Portland downtown is filled with a large number of unpleasant tent people. I want to deport them. Tell me how I shall proceed.
Note: they don’t have much of documentation, speak gibberish, don’t co-operate with any questioning.
“99% of the problem is determining they are illegal and to figure where to deport them to.”
Alaska. Not the warm part.
They can remain there indefinitely for processing, until they are duly processed. Just like the J6 gang, so there’s precedent.
Problem is, there’s only two processors, and the backlog is staggering, this could take a while. Sorry.
https://www.unz.com/jtaylor/how-does-the-h-1b-visa-system-work/
https://www.amren.com/videos/2025/01/how-does-the-h-1b-visa-system-work/
As American as they come.
Of course, you and others refuse to put Trump’s and Miller’s feet to the fire. If they were serious about no HbD1 visas, they would have publicly told Vivik and Musk to pound sand. But these two are useful idiots to Trump and company.
“99% of the problem is determining they are illegal and to figure where to deport them to.”
Not according to GermTheory and AlfredENewman. “They just shot at the enemy, n’importe qui.” No need to deport them anywhere. Even shoot women, children, and the elderly? Yes. Just bury them in the desert. Both commenters unequivocally support this DarkTriad move. Where is Mr. Sailer to condemn it? And, speaking of which, where is your condemnation?
The bottom line is that Trump and Miller stated they WILL deport, no matter what the cost, illegal immigrants.
“I want to deport them. Tell me how I shall proceed.”
Trump and Miller have the plan in place. Just ask them. They also have the funding. Just ask them. MAGAHeads are demanding from DAY ONE that massive deportations begin. This is not too difficult to comprehend.
That’s what the life-giving cross (X) does
https://avatars.mds.yandex.net/get-shedevrum/14801156/img_6b06e16cd02a11efb37ece140e702b49/orig
LOL, maybe they should be called HBD-1 visas.
LOL, that bizarre alien mutant Sriram Krishnan has a head shaped like a peanut.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/coronation-ball-trump-fascist-passage-press_n_677d9070e4b0dbd92b0ff705
https://archive.is/DcLhw
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/01/10/donald-trump-washington-coalition-00197628
https://archive.is/WRuVs
He may be a penis head, Digital Harpo, but YOU helped to put him in a position to make policy.
And then Mush the free speech champion put the muzzle on Loomer and her pals on X when they confronted Trump for his betrayal.
To put the curry on top, Zuckerberg—another Jew—is fellating Trump at Mar-ga-Lar-Go-Go.
Right up your ally.
Under ordinary circumstances I’d concede your point. After all, the rule of the law is nice.
But these aren’t ordinary circumstances. The Democrats deliberately created a situation so horrendous that we cannot simultaneously observe the legalities and effectively address it.
I think that if anyone cannot offer reasonable evidence that they are here legally they should be summarily detained in whatever facilities are available. They can then either opt for immediate deportation or choose to remain imprisoned until their case comes up in 2037.
We can suggest to those who object that they avoid creating such situations in the future. If you don’t like it when the fire department chops holes in your roof and gets water everywhere, don’t set the house on fire in the first place.
This only becomes our problem if we let it become our problem. Present a birth certificate or a passport. If you can’t, remain incarcerated until Bilbo County issues you a replacement.
As to where to go, that would be for the illegals to say. If they don’t want to say, or if their country of origin refuses to accept them, they remain incarcerated until that changes.
Sorry, but this is a hell of a mess. The clean up won’t be pretty. We didn’t create the situation — but we do have to fix it.
“But these aren’t ordinary circumstances. The Jews deliberately created a situation so horrendous that we cannot simultaneously observe the legalities”
FIFY
PRO TIP: Chicken pox isn’t caused by chickens.
I agree. But as a practical matter, ranting about Jews at this point won’t help to create a consensus in favor of just solving this problem without due process — which is what we need to do.
Build that particular consensus. If Jews want to make themselves conspicuous trying to sabotage it, so much the better.
…but we have got to get these people out now. Letting them put down roots while we bicker is decidedly not a step in the right direction.
Maybe the wisest thing to do would be to deport the entire membership of the American Immigration Council first — then turn to the immigrants themselves.
After all, if cost is a consideration, that would definitely help.
Of course, the Lord helps those who help themselves. How about just publicizing the membership roll ourselves? JackD could help out here. Show which side he is on.
Here’s a first first step. The American Immigration Council:
Board of Directors
Last Updated: 8/12/24
Leadership
Board Vice-Chair
Torey Carter Conneen
Secretary
Catalina Restrepo
Treasurer
Scott Fitzgerald
Executive Committee Member
Monica Fuentes
Chair Emeritus
F. Daniel Siciliano
Board Members
Alexis Axelrad (AILA Designated)
Brynne Craig
Natalie El-Deiry
John Feinblatt
Benjamin E. Johnson (AILA Executive Director, ex officio)
Zachary Nightingale
Jeremy Robbins (AIC Executive Director, ex officio)
Denyse Sabagh
William Stock
Jon Suarez-Davis
Jacqueline Watson (AILA Designated)
I assume more names can be dug up at https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/
Go git ’em.
“…we cannot simultaneously observe the legalities and effectively address it.”
I would find this more convincing if an attempt had been made to address the problem in a legal way.
“I agree. But as a practical matter, ranting about Jews at this point won’t help to create a consensus in favor of just solving this problem”
Quite so. I simply find it intellectually unacceptable that a perfectly accurate, thoughtful, cool-headed diagnosis of a grave situation is automatically considered “ranting” or “anti-Semitic” rather than simply, plainly and quite obviously, “true”.
It is a plain fact that pretty much every deep-rooted serious problem which plagues this nation at present, some of them mortally, can be traced back to the deliberate, and deliberately malicious, premeditated collective and concerted actions of Jews. This is not ranting or frothing. It is certainly not science-fiction “anti-Semitic”, as if such a thing were even possible. It is simply what is the case. Nobody goes to their doctor and says, Will you please stop ranting about my high blood-sugar levels?! You’re sounding like a nut!
https://www.vox.com/politics/392864/elon-musk-vivek-h1b-visas-trump-stephen-miller
https://archive.is/XUi07
https://www.newyorker.com/news/the-financial-page/why-the-maga-fight-over-h-1b-visas-is-crossing-party-lines
https://archive.is/rlIeV
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jan/10/h-1b-visas-bannon-sanders-musk-trump
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2025/01/trump-musk-sanders-immigration/681274/
https://archive.is/NjR0V
Yep. And yet you still support Trump and Miller. Sucker.
https://bsky.app/profile/mollyjongfast.bsky.social/post/3lfizim7s7c2a
Here’s the article your link references:
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2025/01/11/steve-bannon-i-will-do-anything-keep-elon-musk-out-white-house/
https://archive.is/XX8Hv
Did the Jews decide to declare war on the southern half of the country in 1861? Did the Jews give us the 14th Amendment, which effectively flipped the Constitution on its head and turned the states into satellites of the federal government? Did the Jews conceive and implement FDR’s new deal, without any Gentile consent or input? Was the Warren Court, which handed down one society-destroying decision after another in the middle of the 20th century, dominated by Jews? Did a Jew write the Roe v Wade opinion? The answer, of course, is no; Jews have certainly played a part in some of our big national fiascoes, but arrogant American Gentile progressivism has accounted for the majority of the deep-rooted problems in this country, especially the Civil War, which is the original destructive event in our history from which so much further grief has flowed.
https://www.anthro1.net/p/reply-to-elon-and-sriram
Sriram Krishnan, Senior White House Policy Advisor on Artificial Intelligence (Wikicommons – TechCrunch).
Please. How would you deport ten million people in — say — one year in ‘a legal way’?
Obviously, they can’t all have month-long court hearings. Where are all the qualified judges and lawyers supposed to come from? One million cases a month? Ten million court employees, all working on this full-time, for a year?
Demanding that the problem be addressed ‘in a legal way’ is simply a euphemism for demanding that it not be addressed at all. If you want all the illegals to remain, at least have the intellectual honesty to admit that is what you would have.
Be that as it may. My point is that emphasizing this when it comes to addressing the massive influx of illegal immigrants will simply have the effect of disrupting any possible consensus in favor of prompt, effective action. It will lead to nothing at all being done about the problem.
I want something to be done about the illegals. I want something to be done about Jewish influence. However, I think more can be accomplished if these are addressed separately than if we attempt to address them both at once.
If you keep using the chain saw while you are drunk, it would be good to bandage that massive cut you just inflicted on yourself. It would also be good to address your drinking habits. But let’s bandage the cut, then talk about your drinking. Not try to do both at once. That’ll just lead to you continuing to bleed while we argue.
Keep defending Trump.
Miller cucked out. He allowed the wolves into the hen house. You really think Trump is going to get rid of
especially Musk, who bankrolled him?
And Bannon? Digital Harpo, please. If he is serious, he tells everyone openly and repeatedly that Trump is a hypocrite and that Musk and Vivek are billionaire threats threats to flyover country.
But Trump doesn’t care. He is bought and paid for.
Refer to Comment 571.
“The main reason is the country’s high level of social trust — a result of equally high levels of empathy, guilt proneness, and rule following.”
Ironically, Trump breaks this constantly,Digital Harpo.
LOL, you are defending Trump for taking Musk’s side in the H-1B visa debate, not me!
Congratulations, you win this year’s Charles Beard Memorial Award for the “Sorry, stranger, but the last ferry back to the coast left at 5:30… TWENTY-SEVEN YEARS AGO!! On the very night of MARY ELLEN’S MYSTERIOUS AND TRAGIC DEATH!!!” (cue Twilight Zone sting.) So… things that happened two centuries ago have more bearing on the present than what happened in your own lifetime. I’ll be sure to make a note. Not that anyone will be able to actually read anymore, in another generation.
You also win the honorary Corvinus “Gee wiz, Sherriff Andy, guess I just don’t know how *any*thing actually works round here in this durn America place!” Award.
Reception and complimentary snacks to be held at the TGI Friday’s down on lower Broadway. Oops, sorry, that place closed a couple years ago, too.
Sigh. Oh well. Guess it’s like they say: you can have it fast and cheap, or you can have it fast and good… but you can’t have it fast AND cheap AND good.
https://poets.org/poem/out-out
Nice evasion. See, this is why the Jews in my Sandwich line is ultimately a dead end: it prevents its disciples from ever making a genuinely useful analysis of the decline of Western, Christian civilization. The Enlightenment devotion to unburdening ourselves of what has been (to borrow a phrase) was baked into the cake at the American founding, mainly but not exclusively in New England; that progressivism was forced on the saner half of the country by the Civil War, and went international by the time of World War 1; if you could somehow revert this country to the demographics of America circle 1900, we would still wind up in exactly the same place, since no one would have addressed that taint of secular American utopianism that goes unquestioned even by most American “conservatives.” It wasn’t the Jews that made nonsense like Uncle Tom’s Cabin popular, or sent armies off blasphemously singing about “trampling out the vintage” of poor southern whites. The Jews entered an already corrupted national culture, one built on the lie of a uniquely enlightened people destined to bring enlightenment to the whole world; some became true believers in American utopianism while others exploited it for ethnic gain, but they’re only a sympton at the end of the day, not a cause.
“LOL, you are defending Trump for taking Musk’s side in the H-1B visa debate, not me!”
Thanks for the disinformation. No, I am saying that Trump is a hypocrite. He is bought and paid for. YOU are the one who supports Trump and voted for hm on the premise that he is looking out for your best interests. Everything he does is for personal transaction. Musk and Vivek are useful idiots. And you are a sucker.
Where is this bulldog Miller when you need him? Why is he not openly challenging Trump? And why place this hope in Steve Bannon? Trump already showed him who is more important in policy making–Jew billionaires from South Africa.
I have long stated on this fine opinion webzine that I am opposed to immigration and new HbD1 visas. Just get out your checkbook, it’s going to cost tens of billions of dollars to deport squatty Guats and the Luv Mi Long Hmong types. Great times!
There you go. Since, in your analogy, we have to get rid of the illegals fast, it follows that this and the issue of Jewish influence should be addressed separately.
Actually, I think it would work very well if we can establish a consensus for immediate mass deportations without due process. Then point out who is fighting it.
It’ll be cheaper than keeping them.
Oh noes, I should have voted for Kamala Harris, LOL!
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/13/us/politics/elon-musk-white-house-trump.html
https://archive.is/tMRY7
“Oh noes, I should have voted for Kamala Harris, LOL!”
Of course not. Don’t be obtuse.
The fact of the matter is that Trump is catering to billionaires, bitch. And YOU put him into office.
So much for Miller and Bannon having any say in keeping out the riff raff. But that’s your style.
Who gives a shit if he values them? He gave them a voice and now he can’t escape them even if he wanted to. He’s trapped whether he’s a true believer or not in the same way Truman was trapped once he took Jewish money. It’s odd to me the way opponents of Jewish purchased influence and their congressional toadies don’t recognize the same phenomenon at work when politicians come to depend on the White working class. The White working class has power up the young yang but they don’t recognize it and therefore can’t capitalize on it the way Jews do. For all those who criticize Jews, this is their great advantage. They recognize their own power.
“Please. How would you deport ten million people in — say — one year in ‘a legal way’?”
I doubt Trump is going to deport ten million people in an illegal way so this is an unreasonable question. Realistic plans will never match fantasy plans.
“Obviously, they can’t all have month-long court hearings. Where are all the qualified judges and lawyers supposed to come from? One million cases a month? Ten million court employees, all working on this full-time, for a year?”
I have said repeatedly that the laws that entitle them to this stuff need to be changed.
“Demanding that the problem be addressed ‘in a legal way’ is simply a euphemism for demanding that it not be addressed at all. If you want all the illegals to remain, at least have the intellectual honesty to admit that is what you would have.”
There are plenty of legal ways of addressing the problem. Consider E-Verify for example. Change the law to make it mandatory. If this isn’t possible pressure employers to use it by raiding employers who don’t and ask for everyone’s papers. Make it impossible for them to operate with lots of illegals.
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/22095854393296395/
Another way that Biden’s handlers refused to use (and the Trump Administration successfully used but only because of the COVID insanity) is expedited removal.
Expedited Removal of Aliens: An Introduction
This is the US Code section: 8 USC § 1225: Inspection by immigration officers; expedited removal of inadmissible arriving aliens; referral for hearing
The statute contains an unfortunate loophole that the Treason Bar uses successfully–the bullshit about “credible fear of persecution” that all illegal aliens nowadays are taught to mouth upon apprehension.
This is more or less what we used to have — and it kept the problem down to a dull roar.
In fact, it would have sufficed — if the Biden administration hadn’t opened the flood gates.
Now? Think you’re going to get all those Haitians to go back to Haiti by telling them they can’t get a job cleaning bathrooms at Walmart?
I don’t think so. I see these people, and I want them gone. So do most Americans. The job of government is to make that happen without passing through the bodies hanging from lamp posts stage.
“Please. How would you deport ten million people in — say — one year in ‘a legal way’?”
Put a dead stop on all of the welfare and tax entitlements they receive, shutter any business that employs them, and that many or more may very well deport themselves.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2025/01/15/vivek-ramaswamy-ohio-senate-trump
https://archive.is/kccnm
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/01/15/vivek-senate-dewine-004221
https://archive.is/yPWPH
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/vivek-ramaswamy-emerges-surprise-prospect-vances-old-senate-seat-rcna187883
“Actually, I think it would work very well if we can establish a consensus for immediate mass deportations without due process. Then point out who is fighting it.”
If you actually had a consensus you could just change the laws and do it legally.
“If you actually had a consensus you could just change the laws and do it legally.”
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“This is more or less what we used to have — and it kept the problem down to a dull roar.”
I don’t recall the Trump administration pushing to make E-Verify mandatory. Nor do I recall them repeatedly raiding businesses that didn’t use it. Of course one might ask if Trump’s businesses were all using E-Verify.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/16/us/politics/stephen-miller-trump.html
https://archive.is/VTwxx
Considering your handle, you might look into how Mr. R1b populated an entire continent.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/17/us/politics/vivek-ramaswamy-ohio-governor.html
https://archive.is/mE31h
Ahhhh, I WILL NOT purposely click on the NY Times, but the title and blurb are very encouraging, MEH. Thank you. Steven Miller knows what’s what on the immigration invasion. (He has since he was in freaking High School!)
It would depend on how good the scam is.
The ‘symptom/cause’ paradigm here fails on one unpleasant but valid point.
If we deal with excessive Jewish influence now, we will help to solve the problem now — regardless of what its ultimate origin was. We can indeed blame Mark Twain instead of Franz Boas; so what?
Hopefully there is not a repeat of this problem from Trump’s first term:
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/stephen-millers-white-house-fiefdom/
” … legal immigration is set by Congress and Trump has nothing to do with it.”
Apparently, that’s not true. Presidents can and do increase or decrease the number of visas issued as they please.
Also, INA 212 (f) gives the President absolute authority to stop all immigration if he so chooses:
“Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation and for such period as he shall deem necessary suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate.”
Presidents Eisenhower and Wilson used the military to secure the border and expel illegals.
No permission or money needed from the courts or Congress.
Trump can do the same.
https://www.stevesailer.net/p/the-nyt-interviews-everybody-i-know
NYT archived link: https://web.archive.org/web/20250120021601/https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/18/opinion/donald-trump-tech-musk-bannon.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/17/opinion/marc-andreessen-trump-silicon-valley.html
https://archive.is/uvxs2
“Read the 14th amendment anyone born in the U.S. is a natural born citizen.”
Children born in the U.S. to foreign diplomats do not automatically become U.S. citizens.
“Read the findings and order in Tin v. US Customs 1896.”
Google says there is no such Supreme Court case.
Whatever Supreme Court case you are referring to, its ruling could be reversed. The President could also ignore it on national security grounds.
While the President cannot violate the separation of powers by imposing on the judicial branch, neither can the judicial branch violate the separation of powers by endangering national security, which falls within the discretion of the executive branch.
“Birthright citizenship” has become a license to invade the United States. It should be revoked immediately.
Failing that, it should be disregarded.
This archived link will show the complete James Pogue authored NYT piece (some of those archived links only show the beginning section of the NYT articles):
https://web.archive.org/web/20250118174212/https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/18/opinion/donald-trump-tech-musk-bannon.html
I’m glad we have you around to get mad at Trump for us and save us the trouble of doing it ourselves.
So, Miller’s a phony. And he also happens to be Jewish.
Of course, those two things couldn’t possibly be connected.
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/01/20/doge-musk-helped-eject-ramaswamy-00199487
https://archive.is/391Us
Greetings, Eric,
Alden is referring to United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898)
(Argued: March 5, 1897 Decided: March 28, 1898)
Unfortunately, The Wong Kim Ark decision was obviously erroneous. (I do not know if this blunder was merely due to incompetence or if this was intentionally malicious.) The civil rights act of 1866 is the legislative foundation for the 14th amendment. As you can see if you click the link it clearly states that “all persons born in the United States, and not subject to any foreign power, excluding Indians not taxed, are hereby declared to be citizens of the United States.”
So… Wong Kim Ark, although born in the city and county of San Francisco, State of California, United States of America, was not, under the laws of the State of California and of the United States, a citizen thereof, because his mother and father were subjects of the Emperor of China which also made Wong Kim Ark a subject of the Emperor of China.
Because…
“The true bond which connects the child with the body politic is not the matter of an inanimate piece of land, but the moral relations of his parentage. The place of birth produces no change in the rule that children follow the condition of their fathers.” Vattel (Law of Nations)
and…
“To what nation a person belongs is by the laws of all nations closely dependent on descent. It is almost a universal rule that the citizenship of the parents determines it, that of the father where children are lawful, and, where they are bastards, that of their mother, without regard to the place of their birth; and that must necessarily be recognized as the correct canon, since nationality is in its essence dependent on descent.” Bar (International Law , No. 31)
I do not know how or why this obvious inaccuracy made it’s way into the 14th amendment. If the 14th amendment were properly written it would have read…
Which would have been an accurate codification of the law as written by the legislature. It also would have prevented all this anchorbaby nonsense that has plagued America for the last 125(ish) years.
While I cannot prove this, I believe this “mistake” was purposely written into the 14th amendment in order to change the nature of the relationship between the people and the so called government. This is the first time in U.S. history that the people became subject to the jurisdiction of the federal government in a formal sense. (Before this, the people were supposed to hold the same rights as the King of England, at least on paper though the whiskey tax proves how quickly the lofty language of the revolution would be subverted by those in power.)
I think this case would be pretty easy to overturn if the modern supremes cared to do so. The civil rights act of 1866 has not (to my knowledge) been over turned and is still in effect today. It is crystal clear that the children of those who are subject to a foreign power are not citizens simply because they were born on our magic soil.
Anyway… Thanks for your comment. When I read Alden’s reply I just shook my head and mashed that disagree button. I did find it rather funny that instead of taking 10 seconds to look up the case (simply google supreme court case that granted birthright citizenship) that she made one up. I guess it was real in her mind.
Thanks again. I hope you have a great evening. ☮
Thanks for your comment.
I agree that the phrase “subject to the jurisdiction thereof” is problematic because a foreign citizen visiting the U.S. is subject to U.S. jurisdiction in the sense of being liable to arrest for breaking U.S. law, but at the same time, remains subject as a citizen to the jurisdiction of his home country.
In my opinion, the U.S. Constitution is a poorly written document full of ambiguities and loopholes. I’m glad Trump issued his executive order because it may induce the Supreme Court to overturn its earlier decision.
If the Supreme Court fails to end the “anchor baby” problem on its own *, my advice to Trump would be to ignore its rulings. Andrew Jackson defied the Supreme Court in Worcester v. Georgia. He allegedly said, “John Marshall has made his decision; now let him enforce it.”
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*The Court might also refuse to hear an appeal of a lower court ruling favorable to Trump. That would save us from a lot of hot air, which we get more than enough of as it is.
https://www.unz.com/aanglin/i-hate-all-indian-people/
https://www.peterbrimelow.com/p/bittersweet-tale-of-two-inaugurations