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The Winter Olympics are not like the men’s 100 meter dash in the summer Olympics where practically every man in the world has tried sprinting at once time or another. Instead, they are dominated by people who grew up in affluent families in places like Lake Placid, NY and Steamboat Springs, CO. Personally, I like the idea that there are all these weird niche sports that get passed down thru family lineages:

Celebrate diversity!

 
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  1. Today is the 70th anniversary of the death of King George VI and the accession of Elizabeth to the throne.

    Her daughter Anne competed in the 1976 Olympics as part of the British equestrian team. This isn’t terribly surprising when one considers how elite of a sport equestrianism is. Maybe Prince Archie, with his mother’s Bantu genes, will be the first royal to compete in Olympic track and field. Regardless, when he’s going to have to take up some intensive sport for the sake of his mental health. Imagine being the child of Prince Harry AND Meghan Markle. Those children barely stand a chance in life.

    • Agree: Kylie
    • Troll: I, Libertine
    • Replies: @anonymous coward
    @AndrewR

    Pretty sure Harry and Archie aren't princes anymore.

    Replies: @Alden, @AndrewR

    , @Jake Barnes
    @AndrewR

    Mr Sailer had a terrific post on the Harry-Markle nuptials. The only one I’ve ever noticed him self-censor and delete. Cancelled!

    Replies: @AndrewR, @SaneClownPosse

    , @njguy73
    @AndrewR

    Fun fact: Princess Anne was the only female athlete at the 1976 Games to have exempted from a sex test.

    Replies: @Liza

    , @Dennis Dale
    @AndrewR

    Since you've seen fit to insert Woke Ginger and the Mulatress into a perfectly nice discussion, I'll just note photos indicate that kid's as white as rice with, maybe, one-eighth of the blessed ancestry. God help us if and when their barely offwhite spawn grow up peddling their African ancestry. I almost want to see it.
    But it's ironic that Meghan did what dark colored men have been doing for centuries: she married up--skin tone wise. Her children could and would pass as wholly white back in the day.

    But no, there isn't a one drop rule for sprinting ability.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @Angharad
    @AndrewR

    Who cares about that grifting TRASH?

    , @Bill Jones
    @AndrewR


    Maybe Prince Archie, with his mother’s Bantu genes, will be the first royal to compete in Olympic track and field
     
    Javelin?
    , @Ghost of Bull Moose
    @AndrewR


    Maybe Prince Archie, with his mother’s Bantu genes,
     
    In our wonderful future of viral panics and negrophilia, the one drop rule will work in reverse. The trick will be to have as little actual Bantu as you can while still claiming the royal privilege of negritude. Archie's descendants with their diminishing Bantu genes will have it made.

    Replies: @Cortes

    , @Harvey Johnson
    @AndrewR

    Harry Markle, formerly known as Prince…

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @AndrewR


    Today is the 70th anniversary of the death of King George VI and the accession of Elizabeth to the throne.
     
    It's also Ronald Reagan's birthday.


    ...the first royal to compete in Olympic track and field.

     

    11 Royals Who Have Competed in the Olympics
  2. @AndrewR
    Today is the 70th anniversary of the death of King George VI and the accession of Elizabeth to the throne.

    Her daughter Anne competed in the 1976 Olympics as part of the British equestrian team. This isn't terribly surprising when one considers how elite of a sport equestrianism is. Maybe Prince Archie, with his mother's Bantu genes, will be the first royal to compete in Olympic track and field. Regardless, when he's going to have to take up some intensive sport for the sake of his mental health. Imagine being the child of Prince Harry AND Meghan Markle. Those children barely stand a chance in life.

    Replies: @anonymous coward, @Jake Barnes, @njguy73, @Dennis Dale, @Angharad, @Bill Jones, @Ghost of Bull Moose, @Harvey Johnson, @Reg Cæsar

    Pretty sure Harry and Archie aren’t princes anymore.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @anonymous coward

    Harry was born a prince and will die a prince. That title cannot be taken away. It’s a blood genetic thing. And he looks a lot more like his father prince Charles than does his brother William. Archie is not a prince.

    Prince of the United Kingdom Andrew Herbert is also a genetic blood prince. But only from his mother Elizabeth. Not from his mother’s husband Philip of the Royal house of Denmark. A royal house stationed temporarily in Greece for a couple decades.

    Prince Andrew Herbert and his one night stand with a 17 year old prostitute is the least of his doings since he got out of the navy more than 20 years ago. Try blackmail extortion soliciting and accepting bribes gun running. That’s why Prince Charles and other PTB insisted his job as UK trade envoy be taken away. Jeff Epstein was respectable compared to some of his friends.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @AndrewR
    @anonymous coward

    Harry will always be a prince but he and the vampire aren't supposed to publicly identify as HRH now that she has convinced him to disown his family.

    Archie is not technically a prince but I think he will automatically become one when/if Charles takes the throne, as the son of the monarch's son. If Charles dies before his mom and William takes the throne then Archie would not be entitled to princehood.

  3. Shouldn’t there be a campaign to include ice-fishing as an Olympic event? Or is that too downmarket? Can’t be any more boring to watch than curling.

    • LOL: Old Prude
    • Replies: @SaneClownPosse
    @Cortes

    One could be the top ice fisherperson in their local ecosystem, but if the fish ain't biting, they catch zilch.

    PETA would have a field day at that Olympics.

  4. The women are good looking reflecting their social background.

    • Agree: Lockean Proviso
  5. Why affluent families etc.?

    Since I don’t see irony here, I can only say that the WO have been dominated, mostly, by “Northern” peoples in all areas- hockey, skiing, biathlon …

    Most medals belong to a bunch of Scandinavians.

    • Replies: @Jeff
    @Bardon Kaldian

    WO = winter olympics, or ... world order!

    , @Anonymous
    @Bardon Kaldian

    "Most medals belong to a bunch of Scandinavians."
    Incorrect. Of the 3174 Winter Olympic Medals, only 527 medals have been Scandinavian. So only 16.6% of medals have been Scandinavian, far far less than 50%, meaning that nowhere near most medals belong to Scandinavians.

    , @Magic Dirt Resident
    @Bardon Kaldian


    Why affluent families etc.?
     
    Because winter sports like skiing are very expensive and only affluent families can afford the time and monetary investment.
  6. Anonymous[396] • Disclaimer says:

    Having observed the demographics and overall level of attractiveness of the Winter Olympic athletes: imagine what the world would look like if a meteor shower hit Earth and killed everyone except the athletes inhabiting the Olympic village in Beijing — and then, like Noah, they had to repopulate Earth with their progeny. What a beautiful world that would be!

    • Replies: @Jack P
    @Anonymous

    It really would. Mostly white, a bit Asian, almost everyone healthy and attractive.

    Replies: @Anon

  7. Off topic,

    Infrequent commenter (every 2-3 years or so), but this really made me think:

    https://www.foxnews.com/us/baltimore-patterson-high-school-reading-levels-elementary

    77% of high school students (adults) reading at a kindergarten level?
    These schools have millions of dollars, and no results.

    Why are Americans so stupid? Why do we ignore the obvious?

    The United States has a serious human capital problem. As we know, human capital is largely genetic. We can continue to deny this, and shout “We need to fix education! We need to fix health care!” until we are blue in the face, when the plain truth is we need more high functioning humans and less poorly functioning ones.

    The United States has long been the home to a large “smart fraction” of highly competent leaders (I call this the “peak human capital” or “top 10 %”, but “smart fraction” works just as well) in business, science, etc. and this is a good thing, but we have neglected “average” human capital.

    A large part of what makes society nice is having high average human capital, so that the average person isn’t very poor, unhealthy, stupid, aggressive, criminal, etc.

    The failures we see now in crime, homelessness, drug addiction, illiteracy among schoolchildren, cities being unlivable, people being ungovernable, all stem from the same problem- the continual and accelerating decline in average human capital in the U.S.

    I haven’t seen much policy from either republicans or democrats that would do the one thing that would save the united states – increase average human capital.

    Simple policy measures:

    -Close borders to countries with low IQ, low income, low standards of living, high crime, high disease burden, these are all indicators of low quality human beings you do NOT want in your country
    -Implement some sort of social policy to disincentivize low quality citizens from having children (mandatory birth control, institutionalization, etc.)
    -Incentivize high quality citizens to have children
    -Exile all criminals to foreign countries or Alaska, or ensure they don’t have children, to remove future criminals from the gene pool (as we know, behavior is genetic in origin!)

    By increasing average human capital, you make the USA a nice place to live. The countries that are nice to live in have high *average* human capital – if your car breaks down you want someone to pull over and help you fix it – that’s a good country – in a bad one you worry about wandering drug addict zombies seeing you vulnerable and robbing you – that’s california and the west coast (and the rest of the U.S. in a few short years).

    This isn’t a prediction. This is the present. We are living it. The USA is a “developing” (just a euphemism for shithole with low average human capital) country with corrupt, stupid, criminal citizens. We let them in! We let them live here! We let them have children! We pay for them to bully us and make life worse in thousands of little ways every day – and we want MORE!

    We need every sane person standing on the rooftop shouting, “THEY’RE LOOTING THE F***ING TRAINS!”

    • Agree: Rob, RadicalCenter, Alden
    • Replies: @Lurker
    @jjbees

    The people with the power to change this look on and smile. Everything is going to plan.

    , @Anonymous
    @jjbees

    Boo hoo. Confederates and Ex Confederates were looting the fucking trains in the 1860s, 1870s, and 1880s, and they were heroes! You are a weak pathetic modern man who eats soy and has no sense of adventure, you are a far greater genetic loser and cuckold than those great men back then, and you are precisely what's wrong with our country today. Fortunately most people in our great country are of far greater moral caliber and intelligence than you.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @Peter Akuleyev
    @jjbees


    Exile all criminals to foreign countries or Alaska, or ensure they don’t have children, to remove future criminals from the gene pool (as we know, behavior is genetic in origin!)
     
    If we had done that consistently in the 19th and 20th centuries, there would far, far fewer Italian, Irish and Jewish Americans in the US today.

    Replies: @Alden, @peterike

    , @David Davenport
    @jjbees

    i.-Implement some sort of social policy to disincentivize low quality citizens from having children (mandatory birth control, institutionalization, etc.)

    In other words, open more Planned Parenthood clinics in the appropriate parts of your town and mine.

  8. Cross country is a bit of an exception, since you literally just need a pair of skis and poles and a consistently sub-freezing winter climate (and during the warmer months you find an equivalent exercise). Here in Minnesota there’s not really affluent chic or privilege associated with cross country, whereas even hockey requires lots of parental investment in order to develop the skills required to play for a notable high school team/junior league team to get one’s career launched (“hockey moms”).

    Figure skating is a joke, Broadway theater masquerading as an athletic competition. Summer gymnastics events generally require acrobatic agility, strength, and power, so they are more legit. Figure skaters however generally don’t even look that fit, which ought to tell you something.

    One thing nice about the Winter Olympics is that the empashis on technical coordination and strategic refinement generally reduces the urge of athletes to use PEDs. Whereas the purely physical traits required to run fast, lift weights, etc. in the summer Olympics mean that athletes feel obligated to do drugs to gain an edge. There’s also something to be said for cold weather causing people to bundle up, so winter athletes are not constantly feeling body dysmorphia due to exposure to other athlete’s physiques.

    • Replies: @Bill
    @Feryl


    Figure skating is a joke, Broadway theater masquerading as an athletic competition. Summer gymnastics events generally require acrobatic agility, strength, and power, so they are more legit. Figure skaters however generally don’t even look that fit, which ought to tell you something.
     
    As long as you aim low enough, you can't destroy your credibility among your target audience.
    , @Bugg
    @Feryl

    Friend has a son who has been blessed to play with the Jr. NY Islanders squad, cousin has a son affiliated with the Jr. LA Kings. The investment in time and money is off the charts. Pretty much traveling 3 weekends a month to tournaments across North America. Hockey unlike baseball, basketball or football is more club team oriented than school; kids skip high school games to play for their club teams all the time. My cousin in SoCal, even worse because unlike the northeast, LA to anyplace is a plane ride. It can pay off; my friend's cousin is Sonny Milano, who is now an Anheim Duck after being drafted in th 1st round by the Columbus Blue Jackets. But in that case, he had to move to Michigan to get in a high end Junior team. His dad worked for the Long Island Railroad, so it took a big chunk of his income.

    Replies: @prosa123, @additionalMike, @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    , @HFR
    @Feryl

    Feryl: "Figure skaters however generally don’t even look that fit..."

    Examples, please.

    , @Buffalo Joe
    @Feryl

    Feryl, not going to argue with you but NHL hockey players skate for a living, I doubt there are any who could execute a double axle or a toe loop or a death spiral. Figure skaters most definetly are athletes. And if you ever get a chance, sans skates, try to pick up a 100 pound girl and twirl around with her over your head. Stay safe.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer, @Feryl

    , @Bardon Kaldian
    @Feryl


    Figure skating is a joke
     
    Figure skating is one of the pinnacles of body creativity & virtuosity.

    Replies: @bike-anarkist

    , @Buzz Mohawk
    @Feryl


    Figure skating is a joke, Broadway theater masquerading as an athletic competition. Summer gymnastics events generally require acrobatic agility, strength, and power, so they are more legit. Figure skaters however generally don’t even look that fit, which ought to tell you something.
     
    Man are you wrong! Can you do what they do? No, of course you can't.

    Besides, women figure skaters are some of the sexiest athletic creatures on the planet.


    https://i.pinimg.com/736x/a0/cc/78/a0cc7832f0f000594f680ad2a7281d38--kim-yuna-figure-skating-dresses.jpg

    Replies: @PaceLaw, @Buffalo Joe, @The Ringmaster

    , @AnotherDad
    @Feryl


    Figure skaters however generally don’t even look that fit ...
     
    I enjoy watching the girls skate backward.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Feryl


    Figure skating is a joke, Broadway theater masquerading as an athletic competition.
     
    Wow. I didn't think there was anybody left who missed the school figures.

    https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-EynrWFew4nM/VfC1amcGnJI/AAAAAAAAGBk/RvGcXr6UhwQ/s640/2015-08-28-127.jpeg

    That mean old Janet Lynn ruined everything! But, even when bombing the schools, boy was she pretty:


    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4b/Janet_Lynn_1972.jpg/220px-Janet_Lynn_1972.jpg

    https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2019/11/26/PKNS/d7400b2f-056f-497e-bfc9-8fc27eab8942-Janet_Lynn_1982.jpg

    , @Corvinus
    @Feryl

    “Figure skating is a joke, Broadway theater masquerading as an athletic competition”

    More like artistic poetry in motion with lithe and limber bodies showcasing technical prowess.

    Replies: @Abolish_public_education, @bike-anarkist

  9. It doesn’t stop certain big countries with none of the tradition or environment from crashing the party a bit though. For example, the UK decided to make a bobsleigh team and even went to the effort of looking at the biometric data of Royal Marines to find optimal pushers etc. This resulted in them recruiting a black guy. They did this a few times, actually recruiting people in the army or elsewhere to do certain sports without that person expressing the least interest before.

    This is what people like too is that the facilities to train to the extent to become competitive often occur in odd places. So you don’t get just people from big cities but people from smaller towns and villages from all over these countries. This is somewhat similar to the Summer Olympics.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if there haven’t been countless editorials complaining about how monolithically white Anglo-Scottish-French the Canadian delegation was. Partly because they looked so happy, relaxed and vibrant as they walked in, imagine if something that ‘looked like Toronto’ walked in. Almost like they were among people highly like themselves and it made them more relaxed and happy or something… And needless to say, everyone at home liked seeing ‘real Canadians’ too. The US too, lots of tall people of Northern European ancestry, like the great wave (Aside from Irish and Germans) didn’t happen.

    It’s also just aesthetically nice to watch lots of different Northern Europeans. ‘European’ athletics and club sports have fewer and fewer of them as time goes by.

    The other unspoken part is how all the female athletes are extremely girly and not at all butch.

    Though I’d complain about how they show certain sports like the ski jump, why can’t they have a camera angle that shows the entire jump from one shot? Having a tracking shot just means I’m watching somebody in the air without being able to see the context of their progress or parabola. (Though this is a complaint I have for many sports where camera angles are too tight and obscure necessary context of the whole field)

    • Agree: Bill Jones
    • Replies: @Feryl
    @Altai

    The emphasis on pain staking concentration, repetitious mastery of technique, and duh, cold weather, all select for Northern European/North Asian minds and bodies. A combination of hardiness and nerdiness, if you will. Austerity of the landscape and the mind.

    And it should go without saying that post-industrial revolution, ice people have dominated to a greater degree than ever before and the Winter Olympics require and reveal the traits that make such success possible.

    Replies: @Dream

    , @JMcG
    @Altai

    When I was a boy, I was amazed at the ski jumpers. It looked as though they were 70 or 80 feet above the ground mid-jump. When I actually visited an Olympic ski-jump I was floored to see that they were just 10-15 feet high while flying.

    Replies: @Liza

    , @Canadian Observer
    @Altai

    Most of the Canadian and American female hockey players are loud, outspoken butches. But I get your point...

    Replies: @Brutusale

    , @AnotherDad
    @Altai


    It’s also just aesthetically nice to watch lots of different Northern Europeans.
     
    Spot on Altai.

    Normal white people--well the normally fit ones, fats and tats need not apply--being normal is just ... pleasant to see.

    I wasn't even particularly persnickety up about this. My own friends are a variety of hues. (I appreciate folks for who they are, how they behave, what ideas they hold, what sort of person they are--there for me when I need them?)

    But after the last few years of having blacks--and black dysfunction!--jammed in my face as normative, I'm developing a high antibody response. And I really appreciate not having my face rubbed in it and being able to see my normality.

    Replies: @Feryl, @Paperback Writer, @Mike_from_SGV

    , @Anonymous
    @Altai

    The Bobsleigh was invented by Englishmen...
    How can you crash your own party?

    , @anon
    @Altai

    I


    wouldn’t be surprised if there haven’t been countless editorials complaining about how monolithically white Anglo-Scottish-French the Canadian delegation was. Partly because they looked so happy, relaxed and vibrant as they walked in, imagine if something that ‘looked like Toronto’ walked in. Almost like they were among people highly like themselves and it made them more relaxed and happy or something… And needless to say, everyone at home liked seeing ‘real Canadians’ too
     
    I was living in Vancouver in 2010. I had been there over a decade and never felt like I was living in Canada, more like an Asian colony. I certainly realized this during the Olympics with all the focus on on Canadian athletes. This is Canada I grew up in.
  10. Mrs. Prude turned on the Winter Olympics. It was unwatchable: All the beautiful Nordic faces wearing face diapers. The only un-diapered faces one could see were the ugly mongrels on display in the obnoxious commercials. Oh, and Vladimir Putin was in the stands without a diaper on. Good on him.

    I had the good fortune to not have viewed any of the Summer games, so I avoided all the worship of the ugliest and worst and degenerate elements of society. Mrs. Prude’s attraction to figure skating make make for unpleasant evenings this February.

  11. @Altai
    It doesn't stop certain big countries with none of the tradition or environment from crashing the party a bit though. For example, the UK decided to make a bobsleigh team and even went to the effort of looking at the biometric data of Royal Marines to find optimal pushers etc. This resulted in them recruiting a black guy. They did this a few times, actually recruiting people in the army or elsewhere to do certain sports without that person expressing the least interest before.

    This is what people like too is that the facilities to train to the extent to become competitive often occur in odd places. So you don't get just people from big cities but people from smaller towns and villages from all over these countries. This is somewhat similar to the Summer Olympics.

    I wouldn't be surprised if there haven't been countless editorials complaining about how monolithically white Anglo-Scottish-French the Canadian delegation was. Partly because they looked so happy, relaxed and vibrant as they walked in, imagine if something that 'looked like Toronto' walked in. Almost like they were among people highly like themselves and it made them more relaxed and happy or something... And needless to say, everyone at home liked seeing 'real Canadians' too. The US too, lots of tall people of Northern European ancestry, like the great wave (Aside from Irish and Germans) didn't happen.

    It's also just aesthetically nice to watch lots of different Northern Europeans. 'European' athletics and club sports have fewer and fewer of them as time goes by.

    The other unspoken part is how all the female athletes are extremely girly and not at all butch.

    Though I'd complain about how they show certain sports like the ski jump, why can't they have a camera angle that shows the entire jump from one shot? Having a tracking shot just means I'm watching somebody in the air without being able to see the context of their progress or parabola. (Though this is a complaint I have for many sports where camera angles are too tight and obscure necessary context of the whole field)

    Replies: @Feryl, @JMcG, @Canadian Observer, @AnotherDad, @Anonymous, @anon

    The emphasis on pain staking concentration, repetitious mastery of technique, and duh, cold weather, all select for Northern European/North Asian minds and bodies. A combination of hardiness and nerdiness, if you will. Austerity of the landscape and the mind.

    And it should go without saying that post-industrial revolution, ice people have dominated to a greater degree than ever before and the Winter Olympics require and reveal the traits that make such success possible.

    • Replies: @Dream
    @Feryl

    North Europeans and North Asians could not be more different from one another, in both mind and body.

  12. @Altai
    It doesn't stop certain big countries with none of the tradition or environment from crashing the party a bit though. For example, the UK decided to make a bobsleigh team and even went to the effort of looking at the biometric data of Royal Marines to find optimal pushers etc. This resulted in them recruiting a black guy. They did this a few times, actually recruiting people in the army or elsewhere to do certain sports without that person expressing the least interest before.

    This is what people like too is that the facilities to train to the extent to become competitive often occur in odd places. So you don't get just people from big cities but people from smaller towns and villages from all over these countries. This is somewhat similar to the Summer Olympics.

    I wouldn't be surprised if there haven't been countless editorials complaining about how monolithically white Anglo-Scottish-French the Canadian delegation was. Partly because they looked so happy, relaxed and vibrant as they walked in, imagine if something that 'looked like Toronto' walked in. Almost like they were among people highly like themselves and it made them more relaxed and happy or something... And needless to say, everyone at home liked seeing 'real Canadians' too. The US too, lots of tall people of Northern European ancestry, like the great wave (Aside from Irish and Germans) didn't happen.

    It's also just aesthetically nice to watch lots of different Northern Europeans. 'European' athletics and club sports have fewer and fewer of them as time goes by.

    The other unspoken part is how all the female athletes are extremely girly and not at all butch.

    Though I'd complain about how they show certain sports like the ski jump, why can't they have a camera angle that shows the entire jump from one shot? Having a tracking shot just means I'm watching somebody in the air without being able to see the context of their progress or parabola. (Though this is a complaint I have for many sports where camera angles are too tight and obscure necessary context of the whole field)

    Replies: @Feryl, @JMcG, @Canadian Observer, @AnotherDad, @Anonymous, @anon

    When I was a boy, I was amazed at the ski jumpers. It looked as though they were 70 or 80 feet above the ground mid-jump. When I actually visited an Olympic ski-jump I was floored to see that they were just 10-15 feet high while flying.

    • Replies: @Liza
    @JMcG

    However, in ski flying (considered a branch of ski jumping) they reach a height of 30 feet or so. Still, I know what you mean. They photograph the jumpers to make it look as if they are way, way up.

    I wonder how people first train to do do this sport, i.e., is there a bunny hill for ski jumpers or what.

  13. @AndrewR
    Today is the 70th anniversary of the death of King George VI and the accession of Elizabeth to the throne.

    Her daughter Anne competed in the 1976 Olympics as part of the British equestrian team. This isn't terribly surprising when one considers how elite of a sport equestrianism is. Maybe Prince Archie, with his mother's Bantu genes, will be the first royal to compete in Olympic track and field. Regardless, when he's going to have to take up some intensive sport for the sake of his mental health. Imagine being the child of Prince Harry AND Meghan Markle. Those children barely stand a chance in life.

    Replies: @anonymous coward, @Jake Barnes, @njguy73, @Dennis Dale, @Angharad, @Bill Jones, @Ghost of Bull Moose, @Harvey Johnson, @Reg Cæsar

    Mr Sailer had a terrific post on the Harry-Markle nuptials. The only one I’ve ever noticed him self-censor and delete. Cancelled!

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Jake Barnes

    I remember he said that "someone" had asked him to edit his post. We may never know who "someone" was

    , @SaneClownPosse
    @Jake Barnes

    Internet archived?

    Must of been a good read to get that attention.

    Replies: @Liza

  14. Winter sports leave no room for a black man or woman to ‘spress deyselves as Peepuls o’ Kollah.

  15. Multiculturalism has killed the Olympics.

  16. I prefer Winter Olympics for the same reason. BTW, which is the most g-loaded among ice sports? Curling?

    I certainly enjoy watching Curling more than any sport during the Olympics since I have to activate my brain more than when I watch speedskating or snowboarding.

  17. Apart from the running events, the summer olympics are like that too. How many people outside the first world have a chance to discover their innate talent for swimming? Pole vault? Pommel Horse?

    But I’ll grant you the winter games have more truly niche events. My favorite is the one that combines skiing with shooting.

    When you think about it, pretty much every sport would be enhanced if you added guns.

    • LOL: AnotherDad
    • Replies: @theMann
    @International Jew

    Especially golf.

    , @El Dato
    @International Jew

    "Gun fu" is pretty impressive but only works in movies.

    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @International Jew

    https://www.thefencepost.com/news/cowboy-mounted-shooting-fastest-growing-equine-sport/

    , @Buffalo Joe
    @International Jew

    IJ, coming soon to an inner city near you. Ski by shootings.

    Replies: @Gary in Gramercy

    , @anonymous coward
    @International Jew

    Biathlon is not niche unless you live in some truly shithole third-world country.

    Replies: @anon

    , @R.G. Camara
    @International Jew

    "You just finished a marathon? Good. Now take this shotgun and hit a clay pigeon."

    Replies: @J.Ross

    , @Stan Adams
    @International Jew


    But I’ll grant you the winter games have more truly niche events. My favorite is the one that combines skiing with shooting.
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nR532k8M35g
    , @Veteran Aryan
    @International Jew


    How many people outside the first world have a chance to discover their innate talent for swimming?
     
    Only those fortunate few who happen to live next to the ocean, a sea, a lake, a pond, a river, or a swimming pool.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  18. Skiing used to be regarded as a posh sport in the UK, but in the 1980s it became a popular mass activity and cheap enough for almost everyone. It helps that we can get to the Alps on short-haul flights on budget airlines, or (at the time) charter flights. Eventually the Ski Club of Great Britain became the largest such club in the world. Resorts like Meribel and Verbier are greatly reliant on British custom.

    My wife and I first skied at a small Austrian resort in 1981. We went on a package holiday and could easily afford it on our starter salaries. Our accommodation was relatively basic but it was in the middle of the village, so we could go back to our room for lunch rather than eat on the slopes. In those days you could get your salopettes, gloves, hat and so on at a very keen price at the now-defunct C&A department store.

    We were the first people in our families to go skiing. Incidentally, I remember my grandfather referring to the sport as ‘shee-running’, using the older (Norwegian) pronunciation of ‘ski’.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    @Graham

    You parallel my own experience, Learned to ski in Innsbruck in the late '70's while earning peanuts.
    I only knew that the place existed because of the Winter Olympics 76?

    I recall the line the Ski instructor used for the better looking women.
    "Keep your knees together Fraulein, you are on ze ski slope, not in ze bedroom."

    I then got into the Private Banking business and it's amazing the number of reasons there are for going to Switzerland.

    , @Alfa158
    @Graham

    That’s interesting, in the US skiing has become a rich people’s sport. Here in California a standard single day lift ticket at Mammoth Mountain costs $160 a day, Aspen in Colorado costs $200 a day. Almost no one lives near ski areas so there are lodging, food and transportation costs. Oligarchs fly in from the East Coast and Mexico and in high season the airport runs out of ramp space for parking private jets.
    The only people who can ski for cheap are the local area kids who get training from the local resort in the hope they will become competitive skiers.
    I wonder if Europe has gone the same route?

    Replies: @JimDandy, @Buffalo Joe, @Buzz Mohawk, @AnotherDad, @HOOLIGAN, @Jeff, @Peter Akuleyev, @Mike1

    , @YetAnotherAnon
    @Graham

    "In those days you could get your salopettes, gloves, hat and so on at a very keen price at the now-defunct C&A department store."

    I first put on skis (also 81 in Italy) with no ski gear at all - old black Adidas tracksuit with long-johns/thermal vests beneath, my hat and gloves were Damart thermals, mirror biker shades from some cheap shop. If you have enough layers you can ski fine in a tracksuit. Could only just afford the holiday, couldn't afford kit as well!

    The good news is that Aldi and Lidl continue the fine C&A tradition - we kitted out a daughter last week at Aldi - £5 for gloves, I think £19 for salopettes.

    When the kids were small we would ski a lot in Scotland* - rent a house for a week and drive up - and usually took a day off to go curling. That is great fun - like lawn bowls on ice with added "scrubbing".


    * It was at Nevis Range that we saw Alison Hargreaves' 2 small children, one of whom was to also die in the Himalayas.

    Replies: @Bill Jones

  19. I noticed that NBC is playing a commercial for their Olympics coverage that, among others, features a black woman skater (maybe speed skating). And her internal monologue is “I compete in a sport where no one looks like me”.

    So, the Winter Olympics is really about racism. And the competition is between races, not between countries.

    • Replies: @Abolish_public_education
    @Anon7

    I don't watch the Olympics. (I hate everything about the blue-blooded, socialist aristocrats who make-up the inter/national committees.)

    I always felt that [American] Blacks should dominate those speed skating events; and summer cycling. Obviously, there aren't enough Blacks living in places like Minnesota (i.e. close to lakes that freeze) who might want to try the sport. Also, they cannot afford to pay for the ice time at public rinks [in temperate zones], nor for high-performance racing bikes (plus city roads are a mess and their neighborhoods are prone to theft). So yeah, many Olympic sports are the embodiment of privileged.

    Have you looked at the prices for ski lift tickets, and mountain condos, lately? Equestrian: a medal reserved for the British Royal Family. Yachting: now there's a democratic sport. One Silicon Valley billionaire, a hockey fanatic, famously had a full-size ice rink built on to his McMansion. But I think his sons were more interested in playing golf (his other, sports passion). I'll bet he has a family membership at every exclusive, private club in California.

    Replies: @duncsbaby

  20. And back to Sleepy Joe’s Judicial predilections.
    People everywhere are surprised by black woman Judges.

    https://www.bbc.com/pidgin/tori-60195093

  21. @International Jew
    Apart from the running events, the summer olympics are like that too. How many people outside the first world have a chance to discover their innate talent for swimming? Pole vault? Pommel Horse?

    But I'll grant you the winter games have more truly niche events. My favorite is the one that combines skiing with shooting.

    When you think about it, pretty much every sport would be enhanced if you added guns.

    Replies: @theMann, @El Dato, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Buffalo Joe, @anonymous coward, @R.G. Camara, @Stan Adams, @Veteran Aryan

    Especially golf.

  22. The Winter Olympics is a big deal in Minnesota which is usually near the top of the states with the most participants. It looks like Colorado is ahead of them this year though. Sometimes these are just kids who like playing outdoor sports. Lindsey Vonn grew up skiing on the hill you see right off I-35 south of the Twin Cities metro area.

    • Replies: @Mike1
    @Barnard

    Calling Buck Hill "skiing" is funny to those of us that live in real ski areas. Racing is dominated by those that grow up with awful ski conditions and obsessive parents.

    If you live where the snow is good you just ski.

  23. The summer games also have plenty of niche sports that are included or occasionally pop up – archery, kayaking, BMX, skateboarding, etc.

    Anyway, organizing complicated events seems to be something ice people seem to like to do, sun people not so much. Tangentially, I suspect a lot of the rhetoric in public education about needing the appropriate sprinkling of whites in schools is trying to strike the balance between getting enough white parents who will use their organizational skills to handle extracurricular events and raise money but not so many that they will dominate the PTA or demand curriculum changes that are too challenging for the rest of the kids.

    • Replies: @onetwothree
    @Arclight

    Archery "niche". It's prehistorical.

    , @stillCARealist
    @Arclight

    Organizing complicated events:

    You should see the bridge tournament my son is competing in. It's filled with engineer types, of course, but just the structure of the darn thing baffles me. I can't imagine watching something so arcane. Needless to say it's all Asian/White (and 20% female, according to him).

  24. @Graham
    Skiing used to be regarded as a posh sport in the UK, but in the 1980s it became a popular mass activity and cheap enough for almost everyone. It helps that we can get to the Alps on short-haul flights on budget airlines, or (at the time) charter flights. Eventually the Ski Club of Great Britain became the largest such club in the world. Resorts like Meribel and Verbier are greatly reliant on British custom.

    My wife and I first skied at a small Austrian resort in 1981. We went on a package holiday and could easily afford it on our starter salaries. Our accommodation was relatively basic but it was in the middle of the village, so we could go back to our room for lunch rather than eat on the slopes. In those days you could get your salopettes, gloves, hat and so on at a very keen price at the now-defunct C&A department store.

    We were the first people in our families to go skiing. Incidentally, I remember my grandfather referring to the sport as 'shee-running', using the older (Norwegian) pronunciation of 'ski'.

    Replies: @Bill Jones, @Alfa158, @YetAnotherAnon

    You parallel my own experience, Learned to ski in Innsbruck in the late ’70’s while earning peanuts.
    I only knew that the place existed because of the Winter Olympics 76?

    I recall the line the Ski instructor used for the better looking women.
    “Keep your knees together Fraulein, you are on ze ski slope, not in ze bedroom.”

    I then got into the Private Banking business and it’s amazing the number of reasons there are for going to Switzerland.

  25. Do rich people do curling? Ice fishing?

    OK those aren’t sports. When I was a student only the rich kids went skiing. I admit I laughed when that Kennedy clown and Sonny Bono died.

    Also when that actor killed himself in his Porsche with the five year old tires.

    And Tiger Woods. That guy is a laugh riot.

    On the other hand most ski instructors are middle class and a lot of professional skiers are the children of ski instructors who started when they were six years old and did little else their whole lives and they are not rich kids.

  26. Looks like Joe Rogan is starting to cuck, and spotify is accepting his apology by removing his podcasts from their platform

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/rogan-apologizes-using-n-word-spotify-removes-113-jre-episodes-no-explanation

    Negroes shout the word nigger countless times a day, in their music, their social media, when just going about their daily dysfunctional lives. Rogan speaks the word when merely discussing the word but now he himself says that is wrong and it shouldn’t be used (by whites.) Issues an embarrassing apology for saying it not yesterday, but years ago. I don’t care how many people he can beat up, he’s a another goddamned coward.

    What kind of childish society are we that we literally ban words and ruin lives over them.

    • Agree: AR in Illinois
    • Replies: @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia
    @Mike Tre


    Looks like Joe Rogan is starting to cuck
     
    Remember the Seinfeld episode, when Elaine goes on a date with Jerry's friend and says, "he took...it....out"??

    Rogan had taken the ticket. He took the ticket. He took.....it.....out. Yessirree Bob.
  27. @Feryl
    Cross country is a bit of an exception, since you literally just need a pair of skis and poles and a consistently sub-freezing winter climate (and during the warmer months you find an equivalent exercise). Here in Minnesota there's not really affluent chic or privilege associated with cross country, whereas even hockey requires lots of parental investment in order to develop the skills required to play for a notable high school team/junior league team to get one's career launched ("hockey moms").

    Figure skating is a joke, Broadway theater masquerading as an athletic competition. Summer gymnastics events generally require acrobatic agility, strength, and power, so they are more legit. Figure skaters however generally don't even look that fit, which ought to tell you something.

    One thing nice about the Winter Olympics is that the empashis on technical coordination and strategic refinement generally reduces the urge of athletes to use PEDs. Whereas the purely physical traits required to run fast, lift weights, etc. in the summer Olympics mean that athletes feel obligated to do drugs to gain an edge. There's also something to be said for cold weather causing people to bundle up, so winter athletes are not constantly feeling body dysmorphia due to exposure to other athlete's physiques.

    Replies: @Bill, @Bugg, @HFR, @Buffalo Joe, @Bardon Kaldian, @Buzz Mohawk, @AnotherDad, @Reg Cæsar, @Corvinus

    Figure skating is a joke, Broadway theater masquerading as an athletic competition. Summer gymnastics events generally require acrobatic agility, strength, and power, so they are more legit. Figure skaters however generally don’t even look that fit, which ought to tell you something.

    As long as you aim low enough, you can’t destroy your credibility among your target audience.

  28. @Arclight
    The summer games also have plenty of niche sports that are included or occasionally pop up - archery, kayaking, BMX, skateboarding, etc.

    Anyway, organizing complicated events seems to be something ice people seem to like to do, sun people not so much. Tangentially, I suspect a lot of the rhetoric in public education about needing the appropriate sprinkling of whites in schools is trying to strike the balance between getting enough white parents who will use their organizational skills to handle extracurricular events and raise money but not so many that they will dominate the PTA or demand curriculum changes that are too challenging for the rest of the kids.

    Replies: @onetwothree, @stillCARealist

    Archery “niche”. It’s prehistorical.

  29. The limiting factor with most these sports is the lack of facilities to learn and train in many parts of the world. This is true in the case of speed-skating, for instance: according to Wikipedia there are only 40 extant indoor speed skating rinks in the entire world, 7 of which are in Holland, where “schaatsen” is sort of the national Winter sport. The same could be said for ski jumping, although there are actually far more jumping hills around the world than speed skating ovals (interesting rural/urban divide here as well).

  30. I feel kind of sad for the ones who don’t quite make it and end up gliding around in a furry suit in Muppets On Ice

  31. The best part of the Winter Olympics is the teams from tropical countries which have never seen snow. Even hot countries have skating rinks now.

  32. Here I thought sprinking Whites in schools was more along the lines of Kurt Vonnegut’s story “Harrison Bergeron”. That’s been my experiance.

    http://www.tnellen.com/cybereng/harrison.html

  33. @International Jew
    Apart from the running events, the summer olympics are like that too. How many people outside the first world have a chance to discover their innate talent for swimming? Pole vault? Pommel Horse?

    But I'll grant you the winter games have more truly niche events. My favorite is the one that combines skiing with shooting.

    When you think about it, pretty much every sport would be enhanced if you added guns.

    Replies: @theMann, @El Dato, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Buffalo Joe, @anonymous coward, @R.G. Camara, @Stan Adams, @Veteran Aryan

    “Gun fu” is pretty impressive but only works in movies.

  34. I was very unhappy that all of the athletes in the Parade of Nations were forced to wear masks the whole time (shout-out to the one female Iranian athlete who pulled her mask down to show her face for an extended period of time); I like to use the Olympics as an opportunity to get a glimpse of the average phenotype of various countries and ethnic groups. I like seeing what the healthiest and most genetically-fit – the perfect specimens – of these places look like. Here in the US I have very few opportunities to run into Latvians or Macedonians or Slovaks, so getting to see the smiling happy faces of beautiful women from these countries is both pleasant and educational. Just ne more thing the COVID panic stole from us!

    I also found it somewhat amusing to see how many countries sent athletes who are obviously ethnically Russian – i.e. Russian names, blond Russian phenotypes, etc. – rather than representatives of their own native ethnicities. Pretty much all of the Central Asian and Caucasian countries have been represented by members of their conquerors’ ethnicity. The situation was sort of similar with the South American countries who sent athletes; you look at the names and it’s all Germans and Italians.

    • Replies: @Peter Akuleyev
    @James Hoffman


    Here in the US I have very few opportunities to run into Latvians or Macedonians or Slovaks
     
    Just take a trip to Pittsburgh. You can't throw a rock without hitting someone descended from immigrants from those countries.

    You are quite right about the ethnic Russians playing for the Stans. The Italian team is somewhat similar - there is always a high proportion of ethnic Germans from South Tyrol.

    Replies: @OFWHAP

  35. @Graham
    Skiing used to be regarded as a posh sport in the UK, but in the 1980s it became a popular mass activity and cheap enough for almost everyone. It helps that we can get to the Alps on short-haul flights on budget airlines, or (at the time) charter flights. Eventually the Ski Club of Great Britain became the largest such club in the world. Resorts like Meribel and Verbier are greatly reliant on British custom.

    My wife and I first skied at a small Austrian resort in 1981. We went on a package holiday and could easily afford it on our starter salaries. Our accommodation was relatively basic but it was in the middle of the village, so we could go back to our room for lunch rather than eat on the slopes. In those days you could get your salopettes, gloves, hat and so on at a very keen price at the now-defunct C&A department store.

    We were the first people in our families to go skiing. Incidentally, I remember my grandfather referring to the sport as 'shee-running', using the older (Norwegian) pronunciation of 'ski'.

    Replies: @Bill Jones, @Alfa158, @YetAnotherAnon

    That’s interesting, in the US skiing has become a rich people’s sport. Here in California a standard single day lift ticket at Mammoth Mountain costs $160 a day, Aspen in Colorado costs $200 a day. Almost no one lives near ski areas so there are lodging, food and transportation costs. Oligarchs fly in from the East Coast and Mexico and in high season the airport runs out of ramp space for parking private jets.
    The only people who can ski for cheap are the local area kids who get training from the local resort in the hope they will become competitive skiers.
    I wonder if Europe has gone the same route?

    • Replies: @JimDandy
    @Alfa158

    It's only going to get worse. It's inevitable that The New York Times will eventually get around to writing a searing series on the white supremacy of ski culture. Blacks will be allowed to ski for free, so paying customers will have to bear the brunt of it.

    Replies: @Jack P

    , @Buffalo Joe
    @Alfa158

    Alfa, here in WNY, south of Buffalo, is Ellicottville, NY, once laughably called "The Aspen of the East." All hype aside, it is home to Holiday Valley and some really nice skiing. I just looked it up and 14-day passes, for an adult is less than $100. Nearby Kissing Bridge also has affordable skiing. And before anyone pooh poohs skiing near here, Ellicottville provides the ski slopes for Pennsylvannia,Ohio and Southern Ontario. Lots of million dollar plus houses and decent rental properties and restaurants. I have been to Aspen, Vail and Breckenridge, so yeah, different level of slopes, but here you get reasonable rates and easy access. My daughters joined the Ski Club when they were in Middle school and HS. Couple hundred bucks each with buses from the schools to the slopes and rental equipment and lessons. Stay safe buddy.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    , @Buzz Mohawk
    @Alfa158


    The only people who can ski for cheap are the local area kids who get training from the local resort in the hope they will become competitive skiers.
     
    Skiing in Colorado was, I guess, fairly affordable when my family moved there when I was age 12. My father, an old, Sierra Nevada skier from the cable bindings and leather boots days (who had even broken a leg way back then before modern equipment) immediately signed me up for ski lessons at A-Basin, a 45 minute drive from our house.

    I distantly remember Dad paying $6 each for our lift tickets. I don't know how much my lessons cost. Inflation of course changes numbers, but still, I know in my bones that skiing in some of the best snow in the world then was fairly affordable to any American who happened to live there.

    I have continued to ski ever since, and I have felt the increasing cost and the increasing sense that people and the markets treat skiing as some sort of affluent person's privilege. It shouldn't be.

    Replies: @Alfa158, @The Wild Geese Howard

    , @AnotherDad
    @Alfa158


    That’s interesting, in the US skiing has become a rich people’s sport. Here in California a standard single day lift ticket at Mammoth Mountain costs $160 a day, Aspen in Colorado costs $200 a day.
     
    It's crazy what's happened. Even in the 90s, I can remember $10 Monday tickets at Steven's Pass (US 2 east of Seattle). Lift tickets have seen about a 10x runup since 1980. (And well above inflation these last couple Fauci years have been crazy as people want to get outside.)

    Contrast with air travel which has a higher labor input per customer (a couple high skill, well paid), higher energy input and higher capital cost per customer. That have in that time frame put in the high speed lifts, but that gets amortized over a long period. My guess is basically, there's a lack of competition. A lot of geographic "lock in". (If i drilled into it, i'd probably argue the FS leases are too cheap relative to lift prices, and resorts themselves are collecting some of the available land rent.) And there's been tremendous consolidation. There are now only a few actual owners--Aspen, Vail, then i think Powdr probably a couple mid-sized others i've never heard of.

    Replies: @Peter Akuleyev

    , @HOOLIGAN
    @Alfa158

    I skied Mammoth in the early 90s and remember thinking how cheap it was compared to the Alps. Shame.

    , @Jeff
    @Alfa158

    You didn't even pick the priciest. I just looked at Big Sky's website. You can pay $227 for a single day ticket, and that doesn't even allow you to ride the tram, which is the easy+convenient way to get from base to the top. I'm not sure which of those two things annoys me more. This is my local resort, but it a separate world.

    , @Peter Akuleyev
    @Alfa158

    In Europe, well in Austria at least, skiing is still relatively affordable. You can still ski for a day at ritzy Kitzbühel for about $70 US, (and the food is much cheaper and better. ) There are still dozens of cheaper excellent areas where you can ski for under $50, especially if you get a block of tickets. The large number of Polish and Czech skiiers I see on the slopes suggests that people with middle class US incomes are still able to afford a ski vacation. Despite that, Austrians bitch all the time about how expensive skiing has become, and they aren't wrong relative to lower Austrian wages.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    , @Mike1
    @Alfa158

    "The only people who can ski for cheap are the local area kids who get training from the local resort in the hope they will become competitive skiers."

    Would be nice but not true. Resorts could not care less if good skiers come from their areas and are actively hostile to locals. Local ski programs exist but they are, without exception, strictly babysitting. The kids barely ski.

  36. @Arclight
    The summer games also have plenty of niche sports that are included or occasionally pop up - archery, kayaking, BMX, skateboarding, etc.

    Anyway, organizing complicated events seems to be something ice people seem to like to do, sun people not so much. Tangentially, I suspect a lot of the rhetoric in public education about needing the appropriate sprinkling of whites in schools is trying to strike the balance between getting enough white parents who will use their organizational skills to handle extracurricular events and raise money but not so many that they will dominate the PTA or demand curriculum changes that are too challenging for the rest of the kids.

    Replies: @onetwothree, @stillCARealist

    Organizing complicated events:

    You should see the bridge tournament my son is competing in. It’s filled with engineer types, of course, but just the structure of the darn thing baffles me. I can’t imagine watching something so arcane. Needless to say it’s all Asian/White (and 20% female, according to him).

  37. The Winter Olympics is almost entirely a northern hemisphere phenomenon for a simple reason; 98% of the seasonal snow cover on Earth occurs in the northern hemisphere.

    As far as Ice People are concerned, the best ski resorts are in mountainous places that have 1) consistently cold temperatures that still average above 0° Fahrenheit during the day and 2) have consistent significant natural snowfall. (My grandparents used to visit San Moritz, Switzerland, which in January averages daytime 23° / night 5° and ten feet of snow every winter). There are only a couple of such places in the southern hemisphere.

    The Beijing Olympics skiing events are being held in a region that meets condition 1, but fails completely to meet condition 2. The average monthly precipitation for December, January and February is about 0.1 inches. The fact that China has diverted entire rivers to meet the artificial snow requirements of the events being hosted has nothing to do with climate change.

    It’s fascinating to see how the Chinese have invested at least forty billion dollars to try to encourage its people to understand European winter snow sports. It’s as if they think there is some cultural advantage that adheres to the practice of joyfully embracing winter and finding value in disciplined activity and competition.

  38. @Alfa158
    @Graham

    That’s interesting, in the US skiing has become a rich people’s sport. Here in California a standard single day lift ticket at Mammoth Mountain costs $160 a day, Aspen in Colorado costs $200 a day. Almost no one lives near ski areas so there are lodging, food and transportation costs. Oligarchs fly in from the East Coast and Mexico and in high season the airport runs out of ramp space for parking private jets.
    The only people who can ski for cheap are the local area kids who get training from the local resort in the hope they will become competitive skiers.
    I wonder if Europe has gone the same route?

    Replies: @JimDandy, @Buffalo Joe, @Buzz Mohawk, @AnotherDad, @HOOLIGAN, @Jeff, @Peter Akuleyev, @Mike1

    It’s only going to get worse. It’s inevitable that The New York Times will eventually get around to writing a searing series on the white supremacy of ski culture. Blacks will be allowed to ski for free, so paying customers will have to bear the brunt of it.

    • Replies: @Jack P
    @JimDandy

    That's already kind of happened. After the death of George Floyd, the winter sports industry put all this "diversity" garbage on their websites, trying to root out "racism", etc. So there are programs to give mud kids free ski time, pay for training as ski instructors, etc.

    Hopefully it's all for naught, as those people did not evolve for snow and ice and probably won't stick with it.

  39. @Feryl
    Cross country is a bit of an exception, since you literally just need a pair of skis and poles and a consistently sub-freezing winter climate (and during the warmer months you find an equivalent exercise). Here in Minnesota there's not really affluent chic or privilege associated with cross country, whereas even hockey requires lots of parental investment in order to develop the skills required to play for a notable high school team/junior league team to get one's career launched ("hockey moms").

    Figure skating is a joke, Broadway theater masquerading as an athletic competition. Summer gymnastics events generally require acrobatic agility, strength, and power, so they are more legit. Figure skaters however generally don't even look that fit, which ought to tell you something.

    One thing nice about the Winter Olympics is that the empashis on technical coordination and strategic refinement generally reduces the urge of athletes to use PEDs. Whereas the purely physical traits required to run fast, lift weights, etc. in the summer Olympics mean that athletes feel obligated to do drugs to gain an edge. There's also something to be said for cold weather causing people to bundle up, so winter athletes are not constantly feeling body dysmorphia due to exposure to other athlete's physiques.

    Replies: @Bill, @Bugg, @HFR, @Buffalo Joe, @Bardon Kaldian, @Buzz Mohawk, @AnotherDad, @Reg Cæsar, @Corvinus

    Friend has a son who has been blessed to play with the Jr. NY Islanders squad, cousin has a son affiliated with the Jr. LA Kings. The investment in time and money is off the charts. Pretty much traveling 3 weekends a month to tournaments across North America. Hockey unlike baseball, basketball or football is more club team oriented than school; kids skip high school games to play for their club teams all the time. My cousin in SoCal, even worse because unlike the northeast, LA to anyplace is a plane ride. It can pay off; my friend’s cousin is Sonny Milano, who is now an Anheim Duck after being drafted in th 1st round by the Columbus Blue Jackets. But in that case, he had to move to Michigan to get in a high end Junior team. His dad worked for the Long Island Railroad, so it took a big chunk of his income.

    • Replies: @prosa123
    @Bugg

    my friend’s cousin is Sonny Milano, who is now an Anheim Duck after being drafted in th 1st round by the Columbus Blue Jackets. But in that case, he had to move to Michigan to get in a high end Junior team. His dad worked for the Long Island Railroad, so it took a big chunk of his income.

    More like a microscopic part of Dad's income. LIRR union salaries are insanely off the charts; always in six figures, the leftmost number of which is frequently not 1.

    Replies: @Alden

    , @additionalMike
    @Bugg

    Ah, the mighty Anaheim Ducks hockey team.
    Anybody remember the hockey Long Island Ducks?
    No?
    Sorry for asking.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
    @Bugg


    Friend has a son who has been blessed to play with the Jr. NY Islanders squad, cousin has a son affiliated with the Jr. LA Kings. The investment in time and money is off the charts. Pretty much traveling 3 weekends a month to tournaments across North America. Hockey unlike baseball, basketball or football is more club team oriented than school; kids skip high school games to play for their club teams all the time. My cousin in SoCal, even worse because unlike the northeast, LA to anyplace is a plane ride. It can pay off; my friend’s cousin is Sonny Milano, who is now an Anheim Duck after being drafted in th 1st round by the Columbus Blue Jackets. But in that case, he had to move to Michigan to get in a high end Junior team. His dad worked for the Long Island Railroad, so it took a big chunk of his income.
     
    This is more of an American phenomenon however if you and your kid are living in a few areas (Boston Metro, Minnesota, Detroit Metro) you can get away with staying close to home. My younger brother played Canadian Junior "A" hockey in the 1990s into the 2000s, (we are not from the aforementioned areas) so he was resident in Toronto area in his late teens. Back in my day, the split was between kids whose dream path was to be D1 college hockey (in which case they wanted to be recruited by a New England Prep School which fed D1 programs, or Junior hockey (major junior back then was considered professional and if you played in that system you lost your NCAA amateur eligibility). Generally speaking more physical players gravitated towards Junior hockey over the Prep School to college route. I went to the summer hockey camps at Phillips Exeter as a kid, so you could see the advantages of that system if you were maybe smart enough to get recruited by Princeton or Harvard. Canadian Junior teams play a lot more games than the Prep Schools and NCAA teams (including seven game playoff series) so that's also a factor to account for as well.

    Gone are the days when the NHL was full of tough as nails Canadian farm boys who grew up playing pond hockey and used it as a vehicle to get out of 1500 person towns on the tundra. Now, on either side of the border it is a much more suburban sport for children of families of above average incomes.

    Replies: @E. Rekshun

  40. It’s not even ice people. Almost every team sport in the world was invented by specifically the English, with honourable mentions to some Irish and Scots. There should be two or three exceptions but admittedly I haven’t checked.

  41. @International Jew
    Apart from the running events, the summer olympics are like that too. How many people outside the first world have a chance to discover their innate talent for swimming? Pole vault? Pommel Horse?

    But I'll grant you the winter games have more truly niche events. My favorite is the one that combines skiing with shooting.

    When you think about it, pretty much every sport would be enhanced if you added guns.

    Replies: @theMann, @El Dato, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Buffalo Joe, @anonymous coward, @R.G. Camara, @Stan Adams, @Veteran Aryan

  42. OT: Haven’t heard anything about this since Feb. 2nd. Hate hoax?

    nbcnews.com, 02/02/22 – FBI identifies 6 juveniles as persons of interest in bomb threats at Black colleges

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/six-juveniles-identified-fbi-persons-interests-bomb-threats-historical-rcna14591

    Six “tech savvy” juveniles have been identified as persons of interest by the FBI in threats to historically Black colleges and universities that appear to be racially motivated.

    More than a dozen historically Black colleges and universities received bomb threats on Tuesday, the first day of Black History Month…

    • Replies: @duncsbaby
    @E. Rekshun

    “tech savvy”? - Possibly Asian?

    Replies: @Coemgen

  43. @Altai
    It doesn't stop certain big countries with none of the tradition or environment from crashing the party a bit though. For example, the UK decided to make a bobsleigh team and even went to the effort of looking at the biometric data of Royal Marines to find optimal pushers etc. This resulted in them recruiting a black guy. They did this a few times, actually recruiting people in the army or elsewhere to do certain sports without that person expressing the least interest before.

    This is what people like too is that the facilities to train to the extent to become competitive often occur in odd places. So you don't get just people from big cities but people from smaller towns and villages from all over these countries. This is somewhat similar to the Summer Olympics.

    I wouldn't be surprised if there haven't been countless editorials complaining about how monolithically white Anglo-Scottish-French the Canadian delegation was. Partly because they looked so happy, relaxed and vibrant as they walked in, imagine if something that 'looked like Toronto' walked in. Almost like they were among people highly like themselves and it made them more relaxed and happy or something... And needless to say, everyone at home liked seeing 'real Canadians' too. The US too, lots of tall people of Northern European ancestry, like the great wave (Aside from Irish and Germans) didn't happen.

    It's also just aesthetically nice to watch lots of different Northern Europeans. 'European' athletics and club sports have fewer and fewer of them as time goes by.

    The other unspoken part is how all the female athletes are extremely girly and not at all butch.

    Though I'd complain about how they show certain sports like the ski jump, why can't they have a camera angle that shows the entire jump from one shot? Having a tracking shot just means I'm watching somebody in the air without being able to see the context of their progress or parabola. (Though this is a complaint I have for many sports where camera angles are too tight and obscure necessary context of the whole field)

    Replies: @Feryl, @JMcG, @Canadian Observer, @AnotherDad, @Anonymous, @anon

    Most of the Canadian and American female hockey players are loud, outspoken butches. But I get your point…

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    @Canadian Observer

    Especially loud when they get hurt.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TboUIXnRU8M

    Compare and contrast.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s946M878MxI

    "My leg really hurts. I'd better get it checked...after my shift!'

  44. That’s interesting, in the US skiing has become a rich people’s sport. Here in California a standard single day lift ticket at Mammoth Mountain costs $160 a day, Aspen in Colorado costs $200 a day.

    Those prices are designed to take advantage of rich tourists and the well-off local who only goes once or twice a year, often when family comes to town. If you ski enough your average daily cost is substantially less with an annual pass.

    That model is pretty standard for everything from your local aquarium or zoo to Disneyland. Disneyland charges well over $100 now for a single day, but their annual passes are cheaper, and the annual passes for locals are (or were) ridiculously cheap.

    The cost of a year’s skiing isn’t much more than the cost of a quick vacation. The cost of a year’s skiing for a family isn’t much more than the cost of a trip to Disneyland. And the physical exercise can’t be beat. My son isn’t the most athletic of boys, but the impact on his fitness level from going once a week has been noticeable. It’s done far more for him than another trip to Disneyland could ever do.

    • Agree: Buffalo Joe
    • Disagree: RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    @Wilkey

    Most families can't afford that "quick vacation" and can't even consider annual passes for disneyland and other SoCal attractions. They're just not families that you may personally know or socialize with.

    Those attractions' annual passes are NOT at all affordable for most people, nor are annual ski passes. Millions of people just in CA are having trouble affording decent housing and vehicle and now groceries.

    Living in a bubble detached from the reality of most Americans' lives. The great bargain that supposedly are annual passes would elicit bitter laughter from people worried about being evicted, foreclosed, and/or losing their vehicles. That is a large and growing proportion of the population, and not just here in SoCal.

    Replies: @Wilkey

  45. @Feryl
    Cross country is a bit of an exception, since you literally just need a pair of skis and poles and a consistently sub-freezing winter climate (and during the warmer months you find an equivalent exercise). Here in Minnesota there's not really affluent chic or privilege associated with cross country, whereas even hockey requires lots of parental investment in order to develop the skills required to play for a notable high school team/junior league team to get one's career launched ("hockey moms").

    Figure skating is a joke, Broadway theater masquerading as an athletic competition. Summer gymnastics events generally require acrobatic agility, strength, and power, so they are more legit. Figure skaters however generally don't even look that fit, which ought to tell you something.

    One thing nice about the Winter Olympics is that the empashis on technical coordination and strategic refinement generally reduces the urge of athletes to use PEDs. Whereas the purely physical traits required to run fast, lift weights, etc. in the summer Olympics mean that athletes feel obligated to do drugs to gain an edge. There's also something to be said for cold weather causing people to bundle up, so winter athletes are not constantly feeling body dysmorphia due to exposure to other athlete's physiques.

    Replies: @Bill, @Bugg, @HFR, @Buffalo Joe, @Bardon Kaldian, @Buzz Mohawk, @AnotherDad, @Reg Cæsar, @Corvinus

    Feryl: “Figure skaters however generally don’t even look that fit…”

    Examples, please.

  46. @Feryl
    Cross country is a bit of an exception, since you literally just need a pair of skis and poles and a consistently sub-freezing winter climate (and during the warmer months you find an equivalent exercise). Here in Minnesota there's not really affluent chic or privilege associated with cross country, whereas even hockey requires lots of parental investment in order to develop the skills required to play for a notable high school team/junior league team to get one's career launched ("hockey moms").

    Figure skating is a joke, Broadway theater masquerading as an athletic competition. Summer gymnastics events generally require acrobatic agility, strength, and power, so they are more legit. Figure skaters however generally don't even look that fit, which ought to tell you something.

    One thing nice about the Winter Olympics is that the empashis on technical coordination and strategic refinement generally reduces the urge of athletes to use PEDs. Whereas the purely physical traits required to run fast, lift weights, etc. in the summer Olympics mean that athletes feel obligated to do drugs to gain an edge. There's also something to be said for cold weather causing people to bundle up, so winter athletes are not constantly feeling body dysmorphia due to exposure to other athlete's physiques.

    Replies: @Bill, @Bugg, @HFR, @Buffalo Joe, @Bardon Kaldian, @Buzz Mohawk, @AnotherDad, @Reg Cæsar, @Corvinus

    Feryl, not going to argue with you but NHL hockey players skate for a living, I doubt there are any who could execute a double axle or a toe loop or a death spiral. Figure skaters most definetly are athletes. And if you ever get a chance, sans skates, try to pick up a 100 pound girl and twirl around with her over your head. Stay safe.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @Buffalo Joe

    Feryl is totally wrong about figure skating per se.

    The judging has had some scandalous and subjective aspects but then, so has officiating and umpiring.

    A few years ago I made the mistake of making fun of Brian Boitano to a friend who ran a skate shop. I got an earful. Figure skaters, he said, are way better skaters than hockey players.

    Stay well.

    , @Feryl
    @Buffalo Joe

    Figure skating is a form of dancing. Not a sport. Why doesn't the Summer Olympics have dancing contests too (well, rythmic gymnastics is close to that I suppose)? Just because some physical talent is required to do something, that doesn't make it a sport (what's next, juggling, competitive eating, body building, or sex?).

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

  47. @International Jew
    Apart from the running events, the summer olympics are like that too. How many people outside the first world have a chance to discover their innate talent for swimming? Pole vault? Pommel Horse?

    But I'll grant you the winter games have more truly niche events. My favorite is the one that combines skiing with shooting.

    When you think about it, pretty much every sport would be enhanced if you added guns.

    Replies: @theMann, @El Dato, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Buffalo Joe, @anonymous coward, @R.G. Camara, @Stan Adams, @Veteran Aryan

    IJ, coming soon to an inner city near you. Ski by shootings.

    • Replies: @Gary in Gramercy
    @Buffalo Joe

    I was going to say something like "the NFL term 'roughing the passer' is about to take a macabre turn," but "ski-by shootings" is better. Good one.

  48. @Alfa158
    @Graham

    That’s interesting, in the US skiing has become a rich people’s sport. Here in California a standard single day lift ticket at Mammoth Mountain costs $160 a day, Aspen in Colorado costs $200 a day. Almost no one lives near ski areas so there are lodging, food and transportation costs. Oligarchs fly in from the East Coast and Mexico and in high season the airport runs out of ramp space for parking private jets.
    The only people who can ski for cheap are the local area kids who get training from the local resort in the hope they will become competitive skiers.
    I wonder if Europe has gone the same route?

    Replies: @JimDandy, @Buffalo Joe, @Buzz Mohawk, @AnotherDad, @HOOLIGAN, @Jeff, @Peter Akuleyev, @Mike1

    Alfa, here in WNY, south of Buffalo, is Ellicottville, NY, once laughably called “The Aspen of the East.” All hype aside, it is home to Holiday Valley and some really nice skiing. I just looked it up and 14-day passes, for an adult is less than $100. Nearby Kissing Bridge also has affordable skiing. And before anyone pooh poohs skiing near here, Ellicottville provides the ski slopes for Pennsylvannia,Ohio and Southern Ontario. Lots of million dollar plus houses and decent rental properties and restaurants. I have been to Aspen, Vail and Breckenridge, so yeah, different level of slopes, but here you get reasonable rates and easy access. My daughters joined the Ski Club when they were in Middle school and HS. Couple hundred bucks each with buses from the schools to the slopes and rental equipment and lessons. Stay safe buddy.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @Buffalo Joe

    "14-day passes, for an adult is less than $100"

    Good grief - that is an unbelieveable price. In "ordinary" European resorts i.e. not St Anton or Meribel - a 6 day adult pass in high season is about 190 euros.

    Mind, I've just looked for a six day pass at Heavenly Valley (Tahoe), where I went 20 years ago - 800 dollars!

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard

  49. @AndrewR
    Today is the 70th anniversary of the death of King George VI and the accession of Elizabeth to the throne.

    Her daughter Anne competed in the 1976 Olympics as part of the British equestrian team. This isn't terribly surprising when one considers how elite of a sport equestrianism is. Maybe Prince Archie, with his mother's Bantu genes, will be the first royal to compete in Olympic track and field. Regardless, when he's going to have to take up some intensive sport for the sake of his mental health. Imagine being the child of Prince Harry AND Meghan Markle. Those children barely stand a chance in life.

    Replies: @anonymous coward, @Jake Barnes, @njguy73, @Dennis Dale, @Angharad, @Bill Jones, @Ghost of Bull Moose, @Harvey Johnson, @Reg Cæsar

    Fun fact: Princess Anne was the only female athlete at the 1976 Games to have exempted from a sex test.

    • Replies: @Liza
    @njguy73

    Fun fact: Anne's father Prince Philip was reported to have stated, about Anne, to a friend of his that "If it doesn't eat grass and phart, she's not interested." I guess that is old news but maybe some of you here haven't heard it before.

  50. @Feryl
    Cross country is a bit of an exception, since you literally just need a pair of skis and poles and a consistently sub-freezing winter climate (and during the warmer months you find an equivalent exercise). Here in Minnesota there's not really affluent chic or privilege associated with cross country, whereas even hockey requires lots of parental investment in order to develop the skills required to play for a notable high school team/junior league team to get one's career launched ("hockey moms").

    Figure skating is a joke, Broadway theater masquerading as an athletic competition. Summer gymnastics events generally require acrobatic agility, strength, and power, so they are more legit. Figure skaters however generally don't even look that fit, which ought to tell you something.

    One thing nice about the Winter Olympics is that the empashis on technical coordination and strategic refinement generally reduces the urge of athletes to use PEDs. Whereas the purely physical traits required to run fast, lift weights, etc. in the summer Olympics mean that athletes feel obligated to do drugs to gain an edge. There's also something to be said for cold weather causing people to bundle up, so winter athletes are not constantly feeling body dysmorphia due to exposure to other athlete's physiques.

    Replies: @Bill, @Bugg, @HFR, @Buffalo Joe, @Bardon Kaldian, @Buzz Mohawk, @AnotherDad, @Reg Cæsar, @Corvinus

    Figure skating is a joke

    Figure skating is one of the pinnacles of body creativity & virtuosity.

    • Replies: @bike-anarkist
    @Bardon Kaldian

    ... but not a "sport"! Sports/athletics need some sort of measurement, not judgement, to give value to the event. Games end 3-0, or a dash is 9.8 seconds, or a high jump at 2.1 metres. I feel similarly towards Gymnastics... it needs judgement, not a definitive outcome, so NOT a sport.

    Ballet on skates... why isn't ballet in the summer Olympics?
    It's high physical fitness and creativity, but without the brokered judgements at the end.

  51. When non-woke historians gather to write about the collapse of the American empire, you can be sure that Topic A will be, “Failure to Control Its Negro Population.”

  52. @International Jew
    Apart from the running events, the summer olympics are like that too. How many people outside the first world have a chance to discover their innate talent for swimming? Pole vault? Pommel Horse?

    But I'll grant you the winter games have more truly niche events. My favorite is the one that combines skiing with shooting.

    When you think about it, pretty much every sport would be enhanced if you added guns.

    Replies: @theMann, @El Dato, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Buffalo Joe, @anonymous coward, @R.G. Camara, @Stan Adams, @Veteran Aryan

    Biathlon is not niche unless you live in some truly shithole third-world country.

    • Replies: @anon
    @anonymous coward

    Biathlon is essentially what Finns used in the 1939-40 to stop the Soviet invasion.

  53. In the US what are the four biggest (i.e. lucrative) sports below the Big Four, not including soccer.

    Asking for a friend.

    • Replies: @prosa123
    @Paperback Writer

    In the US what are the four biggest (i.e. lucrative) sports below the Big Four, not including soccer.

    Golf, NASCAR and tennis definitely are three. I'm not so certain about the fourth, maybe the UFC?

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    , @Buzz Mohawk
    @Paperback Writer

    Women's Professional Drinking, as in the Housewife shows my wife watches.


    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/12/24/article-2528750-1A46A94F00000578-583_638x347.jpg

  54. @Alfa158
    @Graham

    That’s interesting, in the US skiing has become a rich people’s sport. Here in California a standard single day lift ticket at Mammoth Mountain costs $160 a day, Aspen in Colorado costs $200 a day. Almost no one lives near ski areas so there are lodging, food and transportation costs. Oligarchs fly in from the East Coast and Mexico and in high season the airport runs out of ramp space for parking private jets.
    The only people who can ski for cheap are the local area kids who get training from the local resort in the hope they will become competitive skiers.
    I wonder if Europe has gone the same route?

    Replies: @JimDandy, @Buffalo Joe, @Buzz Mohawk, @AnotherDad, @HOOLIGAN, @Jeff, @Peter Akuleyev, @Mike1

    The only people who can ski for cheap are the local area kids who get training from the local resort in the hope they will become competitive skiers.

    Skiing in Colorado was, I guess, fairly affordable when my family moved there when I was age 12. My father, an old, Sierra Nevada skier from the cable bindings and leather boots days (who had even broken a leg way back then before modern equipment) immediately signed me up for ski lessons at A-Basin, a 45 minute drive from our house.

    I distantly remember Dad paying $6 each for our lift tickets. I don’t know how much my lessons cost. Inflation of course changes numbers, but still, I know in my bones that skiing in some of the best snow in the world then was fairly affordable to any American who happened to live there.

    I have continued to ski ever since, and I have felt the increasing cost and the increasing sense that people and the markets treat skiing as some sort of affluent person’s privilege. It shouldn’t be.

    • Replies: @Alfa158
    @Buzz Mohawk

    I think one contributing factor is that ski areas are a limited resource in much of the US. In the alpine areas of Europe ski areas are quite extensive because they are in relatively developed terrain. When I have driven through those areas I noticed there were extensive lifts on hillsides, passing over highways etc. I was never there in winter, but supposedly you can ski between towns by selecting lifts.
    Here in the western US ski areas are in carefully selected areas of wilderness and environmental groups fought tooth and nail for decades, finally ending any further development. It became an issue of supply and demand. Most people have the added expenses of long drives and accommodations.
    I used to ski a lot at Mammoth and participated in ski club amateur races. I have to give them credit for making the season passes cheap enough that the number of days you have to use it to break even compared to buying weekend or day tickets, has gone down. Today a season pass is $1500, whereas back in my day of $25 day tickets, you had to ski over 30 days per season to break even. Nevertheless it gets harder to get in enough days when the frequency of November to June operating seasons at Mammoth seems to be declining.

    , @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Buzz Mohawk


    I have continued to ski ever since, and I have felt the increasing cost and the increasing sense that people and the markets treat skiing as some sort of affluent person’s privilege. It shouldn’t be.
     
    There are actually a couple of interesting books about this trend in the ski industry.

    I'd say golden age of skiing in the US was from the late '40s until the late '80s/early '90s or so.
  55. I’ll tell you an ice people sport. The Canadian Trucker’s Convoy.

    • Thanks: Bill Jones
  56. @Buffalo Joe
    @Feryl

    Feryl, not going to argue with you but NHL hockey players skate for a living, I doubt there are any who could execute a double axle or a toe loop or a death spiral. Figure skaters most definetly are athletes. And if you ever get a chance, sans skates, try to pick up a 100 pound girl and twirl around with her over your head. Stay safe.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer, @Feryl

    Feryl is totally wrong about figure skating per se.

    The judging has had some scandalous and subjective aspects but then, so has officiating and umpiring.

    A few years ago I made the mistake of making fun of Brian Boitano to a friend who ran a skate shop. I got an earful. Figure skaters, he said, are way better skaters than hockey players.

    Stay well.

    • Agree: Buffalo Joe
  57. @AndrewR
    Today is the 70th anniversary of the death of King George VI and the accession of Elizabeth to the throne.

    Her daughter Anne competed in the 1976 Olympics as part of the British equestrian team. This isn't terribly surprising when one considers how elite of a sport equestrianism is. Maybe Prince Archie, with his mother's Bantu genes, will be the first royal to compete in Olympic track and field. Regardless, when he's going to have to take up some intensive sport for the sake of his mental health. Imagine being the child of Prince Harry AND Meghan Markle. Those children barely stand a chance in life.

    Replies: @anonymous coward, @Jake Barnes, @njguy73, @Dennis Dale, @Angharad, @Bill Jones, @Ghost of Bull Moose, @Harvey Johnson, @Reg Cæsar

    Since you’ve seen fit to insert Woke Ginger and the Mulatress into a perfectly nice discussion, I’ll just note photos indicate that kid’s as white as rice with, maybe, one-eighth of the blessed ancestry. God help us if and when their barely offwhite spawn grow up peddling their African ancestry. I almost want to see it.
    But it’s ironic that Meghan did what dark colored men have been doing for centuries: she married up–skin tone wise. Her children could and would pass as wholly white back in the day.

    But no, there isn’t a one drop rule for sprinting ability.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Dennis Dale


    God help us if and when their barely offwhite spawn grow up peddling their African ancestry.
     
    They'd better do it in Australia. Where the attitude on this is antipodal to ours.

    Replies: @Dennis Dale

  58. @Alfa158
    @Graham

    That’s interesting, in the US skiing has become a rich people’s sport. Here in California a standard single day lift ticket at Mammoth Mountain costs $160 a day, Aspen in Colorado costs $200 a day. Almost no one lives near ski areas so there are lodging, food and transportation costs. Oligarchs fly in from the East Coast and Mexico and in high season the airport runs out of ramp space for parking private jets.
    The only people who can ski for cheap are the local area kids who get training from the local resort in the hope they will become competitive skiers.
    I wonder if Europe has gone the same route?

    Replies: @JimDandy, @Buffalo Joe, @Buzz Mohawk, @AnotherDad, @HOOLIGAN, @Jeff, @Peter Akuleyev, @Mike1

    That’s interesting, in the US skiing has become a rich people’s sport. Here in California a standard single day lift ticket at Mammoth Mountain costs $160 a day, Aspen in Colorado costs $200 a day.

    It’s crazy what’s happened. Even in the 90s, I can remember $10 Monday tickets at Steven’s Pass (US 2 east of Seattle). Lift tickets have seen about a 10x runup since 1980. (And well above inflation these last couple Fauci years have been crazy as people want to get outside.)

    Contrast with air travel which has a higher labor input per customer (a couple high skill, well paid), higher energy input and higher capital cost per customer. That have in that time frame put in the high speed lifts, but that gets amortized over a long period. My guess is basically, there’s a lack of competition. A lot of geographic “lock in”. (If i drilled into it, i’d probably argue the FS leases are too cheap relative to lift prices, and resorts themselves are collecting some of the available land rent.) And there’s been tremendous consolidation. There are now only a few actual owners–Aspen, Vail, then i think Powdr probably a couple mid-sized others i’ve never heard of.

    • Replies: @Peter Akuleyev
    @AnotherDad

    Insurance is a big factor in ticket prices in the US - liability risk is much lower in Europe.

    Skiing has also been damaged by global warming - the massive investment in snowmaking infrastructure and shorter seasons have increased costs and reduced profitability.

    Otoh, investments in infrastructure have dramatically improved the experience. When I was a kid in New England the lift tickets were cheap, but waiting 25 minutes to ride a slow creaky lift was part of the experience. Now most decent areas have high speed lifts, long waits are very uncommon and the trails tend to be better groomed. So in terms of minutes actually spent physically skiing/dollar spent I suspect prices have not risen as high as they seem on their face.

  59. Empowered wimmin.

    https://archive.is/Qp0dK

    They are also having those enjoyable, gimmicky mixed gender competitions. Swimming, no, sorry,

    The 2022 Games will also feature seven new events, four of which are mixed-gender competitions. Events like “mixed team snowboard cross” are dismantling long-standing silos that segregated Olympians by gender and are giving women more chances to win gold.

    To give ladies, sorry, women, more chances to win gold.

    LFMAO.

    I for one think we should desegregate silos!

    • Replies: @Right_On
    @Paperback Writer

    To give ladies, sorry, women, more chances to win gold.

    The only sport at which women are superior to men is endurance swimming.
    The women can keep warm as they have extra layers of fat, rather than muscle. (It's down to the baby thing.) Presumably, that's why girls can bear wearing skimpy outfits on a winter's evening.
    The lack of muscle is also why you don't see many female jockeys, despite the male riders being lightweights themselves.

  60. Maybe the Olympic games should be re-categorized as the Subarctic Olympics and the Equatorial Olympics. It’s not entirely accurate, but “winter” and “summer” seem even less so.

    I can’t watch the Olympics…and it’s due entirely to the commercials. Nauseating. I think that’s where wokeness in the corporate world started. Olympics commercials.

    • Replies: @Mike_from_SGV
    @J1234

    I stopped watching TV entirely because of the commercials. The kind of woke crap that they shoehorn into commercials is as off-putting as sitting through a Scientology lecture.

  61. @Feryl
    Cross country is a bit of an exception, since you literally just need a pair of skis and poles and a consistently sub-freezing winter climate (and during the warmer months you find an equivalent exercise). Here in Minnesota there's not really affluent chic or privilege associated with cross country, whereas even hockey requires lots of parental investment in order to develop the skills required to play for a notable high school team/junior league team to get one's career launched ("hockey moms").

    Figure skating is a joke, Broadway theater masquerading as an athletic competition. Summer gymnastics events generally require acrobatic agility, strength, and power, so they are more legit. Figure skaters however generally don't even look that fit, which ought to tell you something.

    One thing nice about the Winter Olympics is that the empashis on technical coordination and strategic refinement generally reduces the urge of athletes to use PEDs. Whereas the purely physical traits required to run fast, lift weights, etc. in the summer Olympics mean that athletes feel obligated to do drugs to gain an edge. There's also something to be said for cold weather causing people to bundle up, so winter athletes are not constantly feeling body dysmorphia due to exposure to other athlete's physiques.

    Replies: @Bill, @Bugg, @HFR, @Buffalo Joe, @Bardon Kaldian, @Buzz Mohawk, @AnotherDad, @Reg Cæsar, @Corvinus

    Figure skating is a joke, Broadway theater masquerading as an athletic competition. Summer gymnastics events generally require acrobatic agility, strength, and power, so they are more legit. Figure skaters however generally don’t even look that fit, which ought to tell you something.

    Man are you wrong! Can you do what they do? No, of course you can’t.

    Besides, women figure skaters are some of the sexiest athletic creatures on the planet.

    • Replies: @PaceLaw
    @Buzz Mohawk

    I totally agree with you Buzz. To say that figure skaters “do not look fit” is completely absurd. It seems as if no figure skater, male or female, weighs more than 125 pounds, which is really saying something. Not a gut to be found on anyone. If anything, figure skaters are the epitome of fitness.

    , @Buffalo Joe
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Buzz, two words...Katarina Witt. Someone please post her photo.

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein, @Ralph L, @Brutusale

    , @The Ringmaster
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Women figure skaters are far more feminine than women from pick-your-sport, more or less.

  62. It’s appropriate that nobody boycotted considering that the most popular sport of our ruling class is selling us out to China.

  63. @Alfa158
    @Graham

    That’s interesting, in the US skiing has become a rich people’s sport. Here in California a standard single day lift ticket at Mammoth Mountain costs $160 a day, Aspen in Colorado costs $200 a day. Almost no one lives near ski areas so there are lodging, food and transportation costs. Oligarchs fly in from the East Coast and Mexico and in high season the airport runs out of ramp space for parking private jets.
    The only people who can ski for cheap are the local area kids who get training from the local resort in the hope they will become competitive skiers.
    I wonder if Europe has gone the same route?

    Replies: @JimDandy, @Buffalo Joe, @Buzz Mohawk, @AnotherDad, @HOOLIGAN, @Jeff, @Peter Akuleyev, @Mike1

    I skied Mammoth in the early 90s and remember thinking how cheap it was compared to the Alps. Shame.

  64. @Altai
    It doesn't stop certain big countries with none of the tradition or environment from crashing the party a bit though. For example, the UK decided to make a bobsleigh team and even went to the effort of looking at the biometric data of Royal Marines to find optimal pushers etc. This resulted in them recruiting a black guy. They did this a few times, actually recruiting people in the army or elsewhere to do certain sports without that person expressing the least interest before.

    This is what people like too is that the facilities to train to the extent to become competitive often occur in odd places. So you don't get just people from big cities but people from smaller towns and villages from all over these countries. This is somewhat similar to the Summer Olympics.

    I wouldn't be surprised if there haven't been countless editorials complaining about how monolithically white Anglo-Scottish-French the Canadian delegation was. Partly because they looked so happy, relaxed and vibrant as they walked in, imagine if something that 'looked like Toronto' walked in. Almost like they were among people highly like themselves and it made them more relaxed and happy or something... And needless to say, everyone at home liked seeing 'real Canadians' too. The US too, lots of tall people of Northern European ancestry, like the great wave (Aside from Irish and Germans) didn't happen.

    It's also just aesthetically nice to watch lots of different Northern Europeans. 'European' athletics and club sports have fewer and fewer of them as time goes by.

    The other unspoken part is how all the female athletes are extremely girly and not at all butch.

    Though I'd complain about how they show certain sports like the ski jump, why can't they have a camera angle that shows the entire jump from one shot? Having a tracking shot just means I'm watching somebody in the air without being able to see the context of their progress or parabola. (Though this is a complaint I have for many sports where camera angles are too tight and obscure necessary context of the whole field)

    Replies: @Feryl, @JMcG, @Canadian Observer, @AnotherDad, @Anonymous, @anon

    It’s also just aesthetically nice to watch lots of different Northern Europeans.

    Spot on Altai.

    Normal white people–well the normally fit ones, fats and tats need not apply–being normal is just … pleasant to see.

    I wasn’t even particularly persnickety up about this. My own friends are a variety of hues. (I appreciate folks for who they are, how they behave, what ideas they hold, what sort of person they are–there for me when I need them?)

    But after the last few years of having blacks–and black dysfunction!–jammed in my face as normative, I’m developing a high antibody response. And I really appreciate not having my face rubbed in it and being able to see my normality.

    • Thanks: James Speaks
    • Replies: @Feryl
    @AnotherDad

    The lack of tattoos fits with Steve's point that most of the competitors are of an upper class background.

    Oh, and ironically an ad played during the Olympic broadcast showing a dumpy black girl with an under the septum piercing. Ludicrous, as if such untermensch give a Rat's arse about the winter Olympics.

    , @Paperback Writer
    @AnotherDad


    But after the last few years of having blacks–and black dysfunction!–jammed in my face as normative, I’m developing a high antibody response. And I really appreciate not having my face rubbed in it and being able to see my normality.
     
    Yes, exactly. I've been reduced to watching educational TV which has a lot of British imports. This has been mentioned repeatedly but again: why must there be a black character is every story, including the ones that take place in the 19th century? Those used to be the most entertaining British imports because they really did up the costumes and rubbed your face in white dysfunction, which the British make, in their gift for theatricality, entertaining - Cockneys and upper class gents, etc. The contrast. Now everything has a black character. I'm not exaggerating. I just turn off in disgust. When will it end?

    Replies: @RadicalCenter, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @Reg Cæsar

    , @Mike_from_SGV
    @AnotherDad

    "But after the last few years of having blacks ... –jammed in my face as normative, I’m developing a high antibody response".
    .
    For the last 2 or 3 months, whenever I connect to my brokerage web page, the screen shows a picture of a black. Probably 0.5% of the brokerage clients are black. Hey brokerage, stop shoving this crap in my face. I've started to move the window halfway of the screen so that I don't have to see the ugly mug.

  65. @Feryl
    Cross country is a bit of an exception, since you literally just need a pair of skis and poles and a consistently sub-freezing winter climate (and during the warmer months you find an equivalent exercise). Here in Minnesota there's not really affluent chic or privilege associated with cross country, whereas even hockey requires lots of parental investment in order to develop the skills required to play for a notable high school team/junior league team to get one's career launched ("hockey moms").

    Figure skating is a joke, Broadway theater masquerading as an athletic competition. Summer gymnastics events generally require acrobatic agility, strength, and power, so they are more legit. Figure skaters however generally don't even look that fit, which ought to tell you something.

    One thing nice about the Winter Olympics is that the empashis on technical coordination and strategic refinement generally reduces the urge of athletes to use PEDs. Whereas the purely physical traits required to run fast, lift weights, etc. in the summer Olympics mean that athletes feel obligated to do drugs to gain an edge. There's also something to be said for cold weather causing people to bundle up, so winter athletes are not constantly feeling body dysmorphia due to exposure to other athlete's physiques.

    Replies: @Bill, @Bugg, @HFR, @Buffalo Joe, @Bardon Kaldian, @Buzz Mohawk, @AnotherDad, @Reg Cæsar, @Corvinus

    Figure skaters however generally don’t even look that fit …

    I enjoy watching the girls skate backward.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @AnotherDad

    Indeed, Dad, they are very, very fit, and that is why you enjoy looking at them. I posit the thought that "the girls" in figure skating are actually participating in a sporting competition that even we old White creeps here would agree is appropriate athletic competition for young women. It is a beautiful thing, and it requires real fitness and endless hours, days and months of practice. The result is athletic, female art.


    https://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=%2Fphoto%2F2018%2F0105%2Fr310728_1296x729_16-9.jpg

    Replies: @SafeNow, @The Wild Geese Howard, @nokangaroos

  66. I think part of the attraction of taking part in the ice sports is that no one has ever gotten punched in the face at a ski resort or a curling match.

  67. @Buzz Mohawk
    @Feryl


    Figure skating is a joke, Broadway theater masquerading as an athletic competition. Summer gymnastics events generally require acrobatic agility, strength, and power, so they are more legit. Figure skaters however generally don’t even look that fit, which ought to tell you something.
     
    Man are you wrong! Can you do what they do? No, of course you can't.

    Besides, women figure skaters are some of the sexiest athletic creatures on the planet.


    https://i.pinimg.com/736x/a0/cc/78/a0cc7832f0f000594f680ad2a7281d38--kim-yuna-figure-skating-dresses.jpg

    Replies: @PaceLaw, @Buffalo Joe, @The Ringmaster

    I totally agree with you Buzz. To say that figure skaters “do not look fit” is completely absurd. It seems as if no figure skater, male or female, weighs more than 125 pounds, which is really saying something. Not a gut to be found on anyone. If anything, figure skaters are the epitome of fitness.

  68. @AndrewR
    Today is the 70th anniversary of the death of King George VI and the accession of Elizabeth to the throne.

    Her daughter Anne competed in the 1976 Olympics as part of the British equestrian team. This isn't terribly surprising when one considers how elite of a sport equestrianism is. Maybe Prince Archie, with his mother's Bantu genes, will be the first royal to compete in Olympic track and field. Regardless, when he's going to have to take up some intensive sport for the sake of his mental health. Imagine being the child of Prince Harry AND Meghan Markle. Those children barely stand a chance in life.

    Replies: @anonymous coward, @Jake Barnes, @njguy73, @Dennis Dale, @Angharad, @Bill Jones, @Ghost of Bull Moose, @Harvey Johnson, @Reg Cæsar

    Who cares about that grifting TRASH?

  69. @AnotherDad
    @Feryl


    Figure skaters however generally don’t even look that fit ...
     
    I enjoy watching the girls skate backward.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    Indeed, Dad, they are very, very fit, and that is why you enjoy looking at them. I posit the thought that “the girls” in figure skating are actually participating in a sporting competition that even we old White creeps here would agree is appropriate athletic competition for young women. It is a beautiful thing, and it requires real fitness and endless hours, days and months of practice. The result is athletic, female art.

    • Agree: Right_On, Clyde
    • Replies: @SafeNow
    @Buzz Mohawk


    even we old White creeps here
     
    LOL Buzz. If I ever have a Wikipedia page, I will make that the first sentence. As I recall, it was Dad who kindly invited us to join him for kayaking on the Banana River; kayaking there sounds really pleasant, plus, we would all have something in common. Well, gotta go, I think the figure skating is on.
    , @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Buzz Mohawk


    even we old White creeps here
     
    These days we prefer the phrase, "Men of culture."

    I'll see ladies' figure skating and raise by European womens' track:

    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCUxiFtpKXG-scfjvnGi9NFg
    , @nokangaroos
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Tukhtamysheva famously endeavoured to combine it with stripping but
    despite greatly increased popularity it didn´t catch on :D

  70. Real ice people sports:

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    @tanabear

    What about rap and drug-dealing?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rog8ou-ZepE

    Replies: @Mike Tre

  71. @Buffalo Joe
    @Feryl

    Feryl, not going to argue with you but NHL hockey players skate for a living, I doubt there are any who could execute a double axle or a toe loop or a death spiral. Figure skaters most definetly are athletes. And if you ever get a chance, sans skates, try to pick up a 100 pound girl and twirl around with her over your head. Stay safe.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer, @Feryl

    Figure skating is a form of dancing. Not a sport. Why doesn’t the Summer Olympics have dancing contests too (well, rythmic gymnastics is close to that I suppose)? Just because some physical talent is required to do something, that doesn’t make it a sport (what’s next, juggling, competitive eating, body building, or sex?).

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @Feryl

    As a die-hard old skier who believes you should use both feet on the mountain, I would gladly remove all of snowboarding if you would let me keep my women figure skaters.

    Replies: @Feryl

  72. @Feryl
    @Buffalo Joe

    Figure skating is a form of dancing. Not a sport. Why doesn't the Summer Olympics have dancing contests too (well, rythmic gymnastics is close to that I suppose)? Just because some physical talent is required to do something, that doesn't make it a sport (what's next, juggling, competitive eating, body building, or sex?).

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    As a die-hard old skier who believes you should use both feet on the mountain, I would gladly remove all of snowboarding if you would let me keep my women figure skaters.

    • Replies: @Feryl
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Other than Snow cross (which is a race), snowboarding should be jettisoned. As should skateboarding in the Summer Olympics. "Trick" oriented events for Snowboarding and Skateboarding are tedious, unless you do this stuff as a hobby or something (which 99.9% of people older than 25 don't). I don't really understand why they don't try a skateboard race which would be a lot more exciting and have a rubber necker factor like snow cross and many of the cyclist and skiing events.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @zoos

  73. @AnotherDad
    @Altai


    It’s also just aesthetically nice to watch lots of different Northern Europeans.
     
    Spot on Altai.

    Normal white people--well the normally fit ones, fats and tats need not apply--being normal is just ... pleasant to see.

    I wasn't even particularly persnickety up about this. My own friends are a variety of hues. (I appreciate folks for who they are, how they behave, what ideas they hold, what sort of person they are--there for me when I need them?)

    But after the last few years of having blacks--and black dysfunction!--jammed in my face as normative, I'm developing a high antibody response. And I really appreciate not having my face rubbed in it and being able to see my normality.

    Replies: @Feryl, @Paperback Writer, @Mike_from_SGV

    The lack of tattoos fits with Steve’s point that most of the competitors are of an upper class background.

    Oh, and ironically an ad played during the Olympic broadcast showing a dumpy black girl with an under the septum piercing. Ludicrous, as if such untermensch give a Rat’s arse about the winter Olympics.

  74. @Buzz Mohawk
    @Feryl

    As a die-hard old skier who believes you should use both feet on the mountain, I would gladly remove all of snowboarding if you would let me keep my women figure skaters.

    Replies: @Feryl

    Other than Snow cross (which is a race), snowboarding should be jettisoned. As should skateboarding in the Summer Olympics. “Trick” oriented events for Snowboarding and Skateboarding are tedious, unless you do this stuff as a hobby or something (which 99.9% of people older than 25 don’t). I don’t really understand why they don’t try a skateboard race which would be a lot more exciting and have a rubber necker factor like snow cross and many of the cyclist and skiing events.

    • LOL: James Speaks
    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    @Feryl

    Speaking of rubber necker events, why don't they just make the Winter Olympics the same events as the Summer Olympics? Cycling... on icy roads. Kayaking... by pushing yourself across frozen rivers. Long jump... onto frozen sand.

    Replies: @S. Anonyia, @Feryl

    , @zoos
    @Feryl

    I think female skateboard downhill racing would be a viewer draw, as long as their professional attire required shorts:

    https://youtu.be/EZ4tthrMiNo

    Replies: @duncsbaby

  75. @Paperback Writer
    In the US what are the four biggest (i.e. lucrative) sports below the Big Four, not including soccer.

    Asking for a friend.

    Replies: @prosa123, @Buzz Mohawk

    In the US what are the four biggest (i.e. lucrative) sports below the Big Four, not including soccer.

    Golf, NASCAR and tennis definitely are three. I’m not so certain about the fourth, maybe the UFC?

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @prosa123

    I'm trying to think of sports like lacrosse that are good for kids to play, not too dangerous, and which may have scholarship potential. Golf and tennis are ideal. Golf, I think, is the best. You don't die unless you get hit in the head by a freak accident. Surprisingly number of scholarships. Loads of spinoff potential - getting to know the men in your neck of the woods who control the economy. Think of the real estate sales.

    Replies: @prosa123, @S. Anonyia

  76. Anonymous[352] • Disclaimer says:

    There are tennis courts galore on a high school campus a couple of blocks away. Gates were always open. I used to play on them regularly. The school board locked them down due to supposed gang activity. This isn’t in a bad neighborhood. There are no occupying gangs here. The school district just wants to be on the safe side. So ten courts are locked down, empty, every day. Two blocks away, you can get on a waiting list so you can pay the city courts $850 an hour. This city has nothing but democrats running it.

    I mentioned to the shop pro that at that price, there weren’t going to be helping to produce the next Selena Williams, or any other poor minority. Out of the question.

    He said, “that’s exactly what I’ve been telling all the big brains here, but they don’t seem to give a shit.”

    Unfortunately, the place doesn’t accept EBT cards.

    • Replies: @Abolish_public_education
    @Anonymous

    The school board locked [tennis courts] down due to supposed gang activity.

    At the public school closest to me, the athletic facilities are fenced in. They're off-limits during business hours, and locked down at all other times. The self-entitled schoolies insist that since taxpayers aren't paying for extra maintenance, they shouldn't be privileged to use the fields. (That's gratitude for you.)

    It's also ridiculous how sports facilities, at public (tax funded) parks, get reserved for the exclusive use of school teams and PE classes during prime times. We pay (special assessments), they play. (More spending on education that gets hidden within non-school, budget accounts.)

  77. Since unqualified immigrants too often don’t raise their offspring as Americans,
    unchecked diversity is poison:

    https://nypost.com/2022/02/06/us-born-figure-skater-zhu-yi-slammed-for-poor-showing/

  78. @Paperback Writer
    In the US what are the four biggest (i.e. lucrative) sports below the Big Four, not including soccer.

    Asking for a friend.

    Replies: @prosa123, @Buzz Mohawk

    Women’s Professional Drinking, as in the Housewife shows my wife watches.

  79. @Graham
    Skiing used to be regarded as a posh sport in the UK, but in the 1980s it became a popular mass activity and cheap enough for almost everyone. It helps that we can get to the Alps on short-haul flights on budget airlines, or (at the time) charter flights. Eventually the Ski Club of Great Britain became the largest such club in the world. Resorts like Meribel and Verbier are greatly reliant on British custom.

    My wife and I first skied at a small Austrian resort in 1981. We went on a package holiday and could easily afford it on our starter salaries. Our accommodation was relatively basic but it was in the middle of the village, so we could go back to our room for lunch rather than eat on the slopes. In those days you could get your salopettes, gloves, hat and so on at a very keen price at the now-defunct C&A department store.

    We were the first people in our families to go skiing. Incidentally, I remember my grandfather referring to the sport as 'shee-running', using the older (Norwegian) pronunciation of 'ski'.

    Replies: @Bill Jones, @Alfa158, @YetAnotherAnon

    “In those days you could get your salopettes, gloves, hat and so on at a very keen price at the now-defunct C&A department store.”

    I first put on skis (also 81 in Italy) with no ski gear at all – old black Adidas tracksuit with long-johns/thermal vests beneath, my hat and gloves were Damart thermals, mirror biker shades from some cheap shop. If you have enough layers you can ski fine in a tracksuit. Could only just afford the holiday, couldn’t afford kit as well!

    The good news is that Aldi and Lidl continue the fine C&A tradition – we kitted out a daughter last week at Aldi – £5 for gloves, I think £19 for salopettes.

    When the kids were small we would ski a lot in Scotland* – rent a house for a week and drive up – and usually took a day off to go curling. That is great fun – like lawn bowls on ice with added “scrubbing”.

    * It was at Nevis Range that we saw Alison Hargreaves’ 2 small children, one of whom was to also die in the Himalayas.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    @YetAnotherAnon

    There's nothing like losing two disastrous wars and viscous starvation in the occupation after the last one for focusing the mind.

    The two richest families in Germany got that way by selling discount food and basics,
    God bless the Albrecht's and Schwarz's,

    Replies: @Right_On

  80. Although I enjoy watching the sweet young things skating hither and yon, I’ve long contended that if your sports is set to music, requires a costume, and requires an hour in the make up chair prior to competition, it’s something…just not an athletic competition. (Also if an animal is involved!!)

  81. @Buffalo Joe
    @Alfa158

    Alfa, here in WNY, south of Buffalo, is Ellicottville, NY, once laughably called "The Aspen of the East." All hype aside, it is home to Holiday Valley and some really nice skiing. I just looked it up and 14-day passes, for an adult is less than $100. Nearby Kissing Bridge also has affordable skiing. And before anyone pooh poohs skiing near here, Ellicottville provides the ski slopes for Pennsylvannia,Ohio and Southern Ontario. Lots of million dollar plus houses and decent rental properties and restaurants. I have been to Aspen, Vail and Breckenridge, so yeah, different level of slopes, but here you get reasonable rates and easy access. My daughters joined the Ski Club when they were in Middle school and HS. Couple hundred bucks each with buses from the schools to the slopes and rental equipment and lessons. Stay safe buddy.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    “14-day passes, for an adult is less than $100”

    Good grief – that is an unbelieveable price. In “ordinary” European resorts i.e. not St Anton or Meribel – a 6 day adult pass in high season is about 190 euros.

    Mind, I’ve just looked for a six day pass at Heavenly Valley (Tahoe), where I went 20 years ago – 800 dollars!

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    @YetAnotherAnon


    In “ordinary” European resorts i.e. not St Anton or Meribel – a 6 day adult pass in high season is about 190 euros.
     
    You can still get say, a 4 day pass at somewhere like Les 2 Alpes for 210 euros. That's not bad for 2268 meters of vertical. Day tickets are still 54 euro, up a few euro since I was there 7 years ago.

    Of course, in the present day, the Covid Commies are empowered to ask for your papers at anytime.
  82. Personally, I like the idea that there are all these weird niche sports that get passed down thru family lineages:

    If it requires anything more than some kind of ball, some kind of stick, and some kind of surface with lines on it, then it isn’t a sport anymore, it’s an “activity.”

    Activities are fine and dandy, but real sports must have the quality that the essence of the game can be grasped by children and can be played by children even of meager means. That’s what it’s all about.

  83. @Buzz Mohawk
    @Alfa158


    The only people who can ski for cheap are the local area kids who get training from the local resort in the hope they will become competitive skiers.
     
    Skiing in Colorado was, I guess, fairly affordable when my family moved there when I was age 12. My father, an old, Sierra Nevada skier from the cable bindings and leather boots days (who had even broken a leg way back then before modern equipment) immediately signed me up for ski lessons at A-Basin, a 45 minute drive from our house.

    I distantly remember Dad paying $6 each for our lift tickets. I don't know how much my lessons cost. Inflation of course changes numbers, but still, I know in my bones that skiing in some of the best snow in the world then was fairly affordable to any American who happened to live there.

    I have continued to ski ever since, and I have felt the increasing cost and the increasing sense that people and the markets treat skiing as some sort of affluent person's privilege. It shouldn't be.

    Replies: @Alfa158, @The Wild Geese Howard

    I think one contributing factor is that ski areas are a limited resource in much of the US. In the alpine areas of Europe ski areas are quite extensive because they are in relatively developed terrain. When I have driven through those areas I noticed there were extensive lifts on hillsides, passing over highways etc. I was never there in winter, but supposedly you can ski between towns by selecting lifts.
    Here in the western US ski areas are in carefully selected areas of wilderness and environmental groups fought tooth and nail for decades, finally ending any further development. It became an issue of supply and demand. Most people have the added expenses of long drives and accommodations.
    I used to ski a lot at Mammoth and participated in ski club amateur races. I have to give them credit for making the season passes cheap enough that the number of days you have to use it to break even compared to buying weekend or day tickets, has gone down. Today a season pass is $1500, whereas back in my day of $25 day tickets, you had to ski over 30 days per season to break even. Nevertheless it gets harder to get in enough days when the frequency of November to June operating seasons at Mammoth seems to be declining.

  84. Racism and the Winter Olympics are just the tip of a white privilege iceberg: excerpts from Chandran Nair’s ‘Dismantling Global White Privilege’

    https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/opinion/article/3165408/racism-and-winter-olympics-are-just-tip-white-privilege-iceberg

    Dismantling Global White Privilege: EQUITY FOR A POST-WESTERN WORLD
    By Chandran Nair

    https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/678193/dismantling-global-white-privilege-by-chandran-nair/

    Mr. Nair(-do-well) is the founder and CEO of the “Global Institute for Tomorrow.”

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    @Voltarde

    I wonder if Mr Nair recognizes that if Whites find a way to withdraw from his world into their own the future may not be what he thinks?

    Meanwhile, someone recognizes the problem

    El Salvador President Asks if the Destruction of United States is Done Intentionally

    https://humansarefree.com/2022/02/destruction-of-usa-done-intentionally.html

    Replies: @Voltarde

  85. @Buzz Mohawk
    @AnotherDad

    Indeed, Dad, they are very, very fit, and that is why you enjoy looking at them. I posit the thought that "the girls" in figure skating are actually participating in a sporting competition that even we old White creeps here would agree is appropriate athletic competition for young women. It is a beautiful thing, and it requires real fitness and endless hours, days and months of practice. The result is athletic, female art.


    https://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=%2Fphoto%2F2018%2F0105%2Fr310728_1296x729_16-9.jpg

    Replies: @SafeNow, @The Wild Geese Howard, @nokangaroos

    even we old White creeps here

    LOL Buzz. If I ever have a Wikipedia page, I will make that the first sentence. As I recall, it was Dad who kindly invited us to join him for kayaking on the Banana River; kayaking there sounds really pleasant, plus, we would all have something in common. Well, gotta go, I think the figure skating is on.

  86. Hockey is an interesting ice people sport.

    Canadians are mad for it, but most traditional Canadians trace their lineage to the British Isles, which didn’t have a lot of pond hockey or ice sports or even ice (the Little Ice Age being an exception to the rule) for many hundreds of years.

    I mean, if Canada had been settled by Swedes or Russians, I would’ve expected to hockey to take off once invented. But amongst the Scots, Irish, and English who settled Canada (excepting the French) , its a bit like the weirdness that seals are really good and have a lot of fun with beach balls, despite nothing like it being in their natural habitat.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @R.G. Camara


    Canadians are mad for it, but most traditional Canadians trace their lineage to the British Isles, which didn’t have a lot of pond hockey or ice sports or even ice (the Little Ice Age being an exception to the rule) for many hundreds of years.
     
    Unlike gridiron football and basketball, ice hockey was not invented by Canadians, but by British soldiers. Britain was colder in the 18th and 19th centuries, and bandy was played. That may look like a hybrid of hockey and soccer, but it antedates both.

    Curling originated in Scotland.
  87. @International Jew
    Apart from the running events, the summer olympics are like that too. How many people outside the first world have a chance to discover their innate talent for swimming? Pole vault? Pommel Horse?

    But I'll grant you the winter games have more truly niche events. My favorite is the one that combines skiing with shooting.

    When you think about it, pretty much every sport would be enhanced if you added guns.

    Replies: @theMann, @El Dato, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Buffalo Joe, @anonymous coward, @R.G. Camara, @Stan Adams, @Veteran Aryan

    “You just finished a marathon? Good. Now take this shotgun and hit a clay pigeon.”

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @R.G. Camara

    Forced march and then engagement. An example of actual, non-confected military practice "played" as a sport. See also javelin throwing and horse racing.

  88. OT: Any isteve readers speak mandarin? I can’t figure out what The Rock said, but it seemed to be about an urgent matter of import:

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    @Anonymous

    Poor Joe Rogan. That $100m paycheck from Spotify got in his head, and he decided to grovel and apologize. Now he's finished. Even if his program stays on the air, he's lost his independence, the reason that people tuned in.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Bill Jones

  89. @Paperback Writer
    Empowered wimmin.

    https://archive.is/Qp0dK

    They are also having those enjoyable, gimmicky mixed gender competitions. Swimming, no, sorry,


    The 2022 Games will also feature seven new events, four of which are mixed-gender competitions. Events like “mixed team snowboard cross” are dismantling long-standing silos that segregated Olympians by gender and are giving women more chances to win gold.
     
    To give ladies, sorry, women, more chances to win gold.

    LFMAO.

    I for one think we should desegregate silos!

    Replies: @Right_On

    To give ladies, sorry, women, more chances to win gold.

    The only sport at which women are superior to men is endurance swimming.
    The women can keep warm as they have extra layers of fat, rather than muscle. (It’s down to the baby thing.) Presumably, that’s why girls can bear wearing skimpy outfits on a winter’s evening.
    The lack of muscle is also why you don’t see many female jockeys, despite the male riders being lightweights themselves.

  90. @Dennis Dale
    @AndrewR

    Since you've seen fit to insert Woke Ginger and the Mulatress into a perfectly nice discussion, I'll just note photos indicate that kid's as white as rice with, maybe, one-eighth of the blessed ancestry. God help us if and when their barely offwhite spawn grow up peddling their African ancestry. I almost want to see it.
    But it's ironic that Meghan did what dark colored men have been doing for centuries: she married up--skin tone wise. Her children could and would pass as wholly white back in the day.

    But no, there isn't a one drop rule for sprinting ability.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    God help us if and when their barely offwhite spawn grow up peddling their African ancestry.

    They’d better do it in Australia. Where the attitude on this is antipodal to ours.

    • Replies: @Dennis Dale
    @Reg Cæsar

    And it's part of the Commonwealth, so they can start their shadow monarchy there. Somebody get me Ginger's number. Not the girl. She's scary
    .

  91. It’s about time the Winter Olympics were held in the Southern Hemisphere, in July or August. This would be quite appealing to boreal audiences experiencing 90s in both Fahrenheit and humidity.

    Launceston, Tasmania once considered making a bid for the Winters, but mounting bids can be as strenuous as hosting the Games themselves. New Zealand, Patagonia, and Lesotho are other options.

    • Replies: @prosa123
    @Reg Cæsar

    Launceston, Tasmania once considered making a bid for the Winters, but mounting bids can be as strenuous as hosting the Games themselves. New Zealand, Patagonia, and Lesotho are other options.

    With the highest lowest elevation of any country, Lesotho gets snow in winter and has a small ski resort, but as far as I know its snowfalls aren't heavy or consistent enough to be suitable for all Winter Olympics events and it probably doesn't have the resources to create huge amounts of artificial snow like China has done. Nor would it be able to handle all the other enormous hosting costs.

    Replies: @sb

  92. @R.G. Camara
    Hockey is an interesting ice people sport.

    Canadians are mad for it, but most traditional Canadians trace their lineage to the British Isles, which didn't have a lot of pond hockey or ice sports or even ice (the Little Ice Age being an exception to the rule) for many hundreds of years.

    I mean, if Canada had been settled by Swedes or Russians, I would've expected to hockey to take off once invented. But amongst the Scots, Irish, and English who settled Canada (excepting the French) , its a bit like the weirdness that seals are really good and have a lot of fun with beach balls, despite nothing like it being in their natural habitat.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Canadians are mad for it, but most traditional Canadians trace their lineage to the British Isles, which didn’t have a lot of pond hockey or ice sports or even ice (the Little Ice Age being an exception to the rule) for many hundreds of years.

    Unlike gridiron football and basketball, ice hockey was not invented by Canadians, but by British soldiers. Britain was colder in the 18th and 19th centuries, and bandy was played. That may look like a hybrid of hockey and soccer, but it antedates both.

    Curling originated in Scotland.

    • Thanks: R.G. Camara
  93. @International Jew
    Apart from the running events, the summer olympics are like that too. How many people outside the first world have a chance to discover their innate talent for swimming? Pole vault? Pommel Horse?

    But I'll grant you the winter games have more truly niche events. My favorite is the one that combines skiing with shooting.

    When you think about it, pretty much every sport would be enhanced if you added guns.

    Replies: @theMann, @El Dato, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Buffalo Joe, @anonymous coward, @R.G. Camara, @Stan Adams, @Veteran Aryan

    But I’ll grant you the winter games have more truly niche events. My favorite is the one that combines skiing with shooting.

  94. @Jake Barnes
    @AndrewR

    Mr Sailer had a terrific post on the Harry-Markle nuptials. The only one I’ve ever noticed him self-censor and delete. Cancelled!

    Replies: @AndrewR, @SaneClownPosse

    I remember he said that “someone” had asked him to edit his post. We may never know who “someone” was

  95. @Reg Cæsar
    @Dennis Dale


    God help us if and when their barely offwhite spawn grow up peddling their African ancestry.
     
    They'd better do it in Australia. Where the attitude on this is antipodal to ours.

    Replies: @Dennis Dale

    And it’s part of the Commonwealth, so they can start their shadow monarchy there. Somebody get me Ginger’s number. Not the girl. She’s scary
    .

  96. @AndrewR
    Today is the 70th anniversary of the death of King George VI and the accession of Elizabeth to the throne.

    Her daughter Anne competed in the 1976 Olympics as part of the British equestrian team. This isn't terribly surprising when one considers how elite of a sport equestrianism is. Maybe Prince Archie, with his mother's Bantu genes, will be the first royal to compete in Olympic track and field. Regardless, when he's going to have to take up some intensive sport for the sake of his mental health. Imagine being the child of Prince Harry AND Meghan Markle. Those children barely stand a chance in life.

    Replies: @anonymous coward, @Jake Barnes, @njguy73, @Dennis Dale, @Angharad, @Bill Jones, @Ghost of Bull Moose, @Harvey Johnson, @Reg Cæsar

    Maybe Prince Archie, with his mother’s Bantu genes, will be the first royal to compete in Olympic track and field

    Javelin?

    • LOL: Bardon Kaldian
  97. @Voltarde
    Racism and the Winter Olympics are just the tip of a white privilege iceberg: excerpts from Chandran Nair’s ‘Dismantling Global White Privilege’

    https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/opinion/article/3165408/racism-and-winter-olympics-are-just-tip-white-privilege-iceberg

    https://img.i-scmp.com/cdn-cgi/image/fit=contain,width=1098,format=auto/sites/default/files/styles/1200x800/public/d8/images/canvas/2022/01/31/11b87715-16ee-4ebb-8249-2700e904f908_d3f3f532.jpg

    Dismantling Global White Privilege: EQUITY FOR A POST-WESTERN WORLD
    By Chandran Nair

    https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/678193/dismantling-global-white-privilege-by-chandran-nair/

    Mr. Nair(-do-well) is the founder and CEO of the "Global Institute for Tomorrow."

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tUctFu46_c

    Replies: @Bill Jones

    I wonder if Mr Nair recognizes that if Whites find a way to withdraw from his world into their own the future may not be what he thinks?

    Meanwhile, someone recognizes the problem

    El Salvador President Asks if the Destruction of United States is Done Intentionally

    https://humansarefree.com/2022/02/destruction-of-usa-done-intentionally.html

    • Replies: @Voltarde
    @Bill Jones

    Thanks Bill.

    Here's a thought experiment (which someone may have already described in a science fiction novel):

    Consider Europe, and later combined with the Anglosphere, from the Enlightenment until, say, the middle of the 20th Century. Consider how much more advanced Western civilization was than the rest of the world.

    What justifies the complaints and endless whining of those of non-European ancestry to this advanced state of Western civilization?

    Imagine if after WWII some advanced civilization arrived on planet Earth from outer space, and just imagine if it brought art, literature, science, and technology that was as far advanced compared to Western Civilization as what had been achieved by Western Civilization compared to the rest of the world?

    Would those who valued Western Civilization complain and whine about being blessed with the arrival of the fruits of such a new civilization, one that was so much more advanced than our own?

  98. @Bugg
    @Feryl

    Friend has a son who has been blessed to play with the Jr. NY Islanders squad, cousin has a son affiliated with the Jr. LA Kings. The investment in time and money is off the charts. Pretty much traveling 3 weekends a month to tournaments across North America. Hockey unlike baseball, basketball or football is more club team oriented than school; kids skip high school games to play for their club teams all the time. My cousin in SoCal, even worse because unlike the northeast, LA to anyplace is a plane ride. It can pay off; my friend's cousin is Sonny Milano, who is now an Anheim Duck after being drafted in th 1st round by the Columbus Blue Jackets. But in that case, he had to move to Michigan to get in a high end Junior team. His dad worked for the Long Island Railroad, so it took a big chunk of his income.

    Replies: @prosa123, @additionalMike, @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    my friend’s cousin is Sonny Milano, who is now an Anheim Duck after being drafted in th 1st round by the Columbus Blue Jackets. But in that case, he had to move to Michigan to get in a high end Junior team. His dad worked for the Long Island Railroad, so it took a big chunk of his income.

    More like a microscopic part of Dad’s income. LIRR union salaries are insanely off the charts; always in six figures, the leftmost number of which is frequently not 1.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @prosa123

    Another cubicle coolie who thinks it outrageous that anyone other than a cubicle coolie should earn a living wage.

    One of the numerous reasons why I’m not a conservative.

    Anyone who works for another person and gets paid by another person is a worker or working class no matter what the title or how many degrees he has.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @The Anti-Gnostic

  99. @YetAnotherAnon
    @Graham

    "In those days you could get your salopettes, gloves, hat and so on at a very keen price at the now-defunct C&A department store."

    I first put on skis (also 81 in Italy) with no ski gear at all - old black Adidas tracksuit with long-johns/thermal vests beneath, my hat and gloves were Damart thermals, mirror biker shades from some cheap shop. If you have enough layers you can ski fine in a tracksuit. Could only just afford the holiday, couldn't afford kit as well!

    The good news is that Aldi and Lidl continue the fine C&A tradition - we kitted out a daughter last week at Aldi - £5 for gloves, I think £19 for salopettes.

    When the kids were small we would ski a lot in Scotland* - rent a house for a week and drive up - and usually took a day off to go curling. That is great fun - like lawn bowls on ice with added "scrubbing".


    * It was at Nevis Range that we saw Alison Hargreaves' 2 small children, one of whom was to also die in the Himalayas.

    Replies: @Bill Jones

    There’s nothing like losing two disastrous wars and viscous starvation in the occupation after the last one for focusing the mind.

    The two richest families in Germany got that way by selling discount food and basics,
    God bless the Albrecht’s and Schwarz’s,

    • Replies: @Right_On
    @Bill Jones

    Aldi and Lidl, huh?

    They're both big in the UK, but I have to say I'm disappointed with Germans for eating the poor-quality food on offer. You can't even get decent Kartoffelsalat mit Bockwurst.

    Germans should concentrate on engineering products, like U-boats. Their Type 212 with air-independent propulsion is state of the art. Vorsprung durch Technik.

  100. @Anon7
    I noticed that NBC is playing a commercial for their Olympics coverage that, among others, features a black woman skater (maybe speed skating). And her internal monologue is "I compete in a sport where no one looks like me".

    So, the Winter Olympics is really about racism. And the competition is between races, not between countries.

    Replies: @Abolish_public_education

    I don’t watch the Olympics. (I hate everything about the blue-blooded, socialist aristocrats who make-up the inter/national committees.)

    I always felt that [American] Blacks should dominate those speed skating events; and summer cycling. Obviously, there aren’t enough Blacks living in places like Minnesota (i.e. close to lakes that freeze) who might want to try the sport. Also, they cannot afford to pay for the ice time at public rinks [in temperate zones], nor for high-performance racing bikes (plus city roads are a mess and their neighborhoods are prone to theft). So yeah, many Olympic sports are the embodiment of privileged.

    Have you looked at the prices for ski lift tickets, and mountain condos, lately? Equestrian: a medal reserved for the British Royal Family. Yachting: now there’s a democratic sport. One Silicon Valley billionaire, a hockey fanatic, famously had a full-size ice rink built on to his McMansion. But I think his sons were more interested in playing golf (his other, sports passion). I’ll bet he has a family membership at every exclusive, private club in California.

    • Replies: @duncsbaby
    @Abolish_public_education


    Obviously, there aren’t enough Blacks living in places like Minnesota
     
    There have been far too many blacks living in Minnesota for far too long. Sure there were a lot of white antifa participating in the George Floyd riots of 2020, but they wouldn't have been anything w/out the black underclass of Minneapolis doing most of the burning and looting.

    https://s.yimg.com/uu/api/res/1.2/Ny7euvAksJxjPNcKwdwioQ--~B/aD01MTI7dz03Njg7c209MTthcHBpZD15dGFjaHlvbg--/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/afp.com/a6799219689e3d9e9d701a4abe25be3e577c1ad3.jpg

  101. @International Jew
    Apart from the running events, the summer olympics are like that too. How many people outside the first world have a chance to discover their innate talent for swimming? Pole vault? Pommel Horse?

    But I'll grant you the winter games have more truly niche events. My favorite is the one that combines skiing with shooting.

    When you think about it, pretty much every sport would be enhanced if you added guns.

    Replies: @theMann, @El Dato, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Buffalo Joe, @anonymous coward, @R.G. Camara, @Stan Adams, @Veteran Aryan

    How many people outside the first world have a chance to discover their innate talent for swimming?

    Only those fortunate few who happen to live next to the ocean, a sea, a lake, a pond, a river, or a swimming pool.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Veteran Aryan



    How many people outside the first world have a chance to discover their innate talent for swimming?
     
    Only those fortunate few who happen to live next to the ocean, a sea, a lake, a pond, a river, or a swimming pool.
     
    Bed-Stuy fits most of those. How are they doing?

    Still, many of these "fortunate few" face obstacles such as mosquitoes, leeches, crocodiles, or sharks.


    Why Do So Many Africans Drown?


    ...[Lake] Victoria is "arguably the most dangerous stretch of water in the world in terms of fatalities per square kilometer."
     

    Replies: @Veteran Aryan, @International Jew

  102. I haven’t watched the winter Olympics in a while, but we were having dinner with friends and the wife is a mad figure skating fan. I’ve read about this 15-year old Russian girl that they’re already calling the greatest of all time. We were drinking Belgian quads, so we were agreeable!

    https://nypost.com/2022/02/06/russian-figure-skater-kamila-valieva-15-wows-rivals-and-teammates-in-winter-olympics-debut/

    https://www.nbcolympics.com/videos/skate-canada-15-year-old-russian-first-short-program

    Not hyperbole. I don’t recall ever seeing a skater so obviously on a much higher level than her rivals. I like that they have a little scoring box now so you can keep track of the judging in real time.

    The girlfriend noticed that it seemed the skaters were now all of the same body type: taller, more slender, and no thunder thighs. It seems that only the more squat Asian skaters have the big legs now.

  103. @Bill Jones
    @Voltarde

    I wonder if Mr Nair recognizes that if Whites find a way to withdraw from his world into their own the future may not be what he thinks?

    Meanwhile, someone recognizes the problem

    El Salvador President Asks if the Destruction of United States is Done Intentionally

    https://humansarefree.com/2022/02/destruction-of-usa-done-intentionally.html

    Replies: @Voltarde

    Thanks Bill.

    Here’s a thought experiment (which someone may have already described in a science fiction novel):

    Consider Europe, and later combined with the Anglosphere, from the Enlightenment until, say, the middle of the 20th Century. Consider how much more advanced Western civilization was than the rest of the world.

    What justifies the complaints and endless whining of those of non-European ancestry to this advanced state of Western civilization?

    Imagine if after WWII some advanced civilization arrived on planet Earth from outer space, and just imagine if it brought art, literature, science, and technology that was as far advanced compared to Western Civilization as what had been achieved by Western Civilization compared to the rest of the world?

    Would those who valued Western Civilization complain and whine about being blessed with the arrival of the fruits of such a new civilization, one that was so much more advanced than our own?

  104. @Buzz Mohawk
    @Alfa158


    The only people who can ski for cheap are the local area kids who get training from the local resort in the hope they will become competitive skiers.
     
    Skiing in Colorado was, I guess, fairly affordable when my family moved there when I was age 12. My father, an old, Sierra Nevada skier from the cable bindings and leather boots days (who had even broken a leg way back then before modern equipment) immediately signed me up for ski lessons at A-Basin, a 45 minute drive from our house.

    I distantly remember Dad paying $6 each for our lift tickets. I don't know how much my lessons cost. Inflation of course changes numbers, but still, I know in my bones that skiing in some of the best snow in the world then was fairly affordable to any American who happened to live there.

    I have continued to ski ever since, and I have felt the increasing cost and the increasing sense that people and the markets treat skiing as some sort of affluent person's privilege. It shouldn't be.

    Replies: @Alfa158, @The Wild Geese Howard

    I have continued to ski ever since, and I have felt the increasing cost and the increasing sense that people and the markets treat skiing as some sort of affluent person’s privilege. It shouldn’t be.

    There are actually a couple of interesting books about this trend in the ski industry.

    I’d say golden age of skiing in the US was from the late ’40s until the late ’80s/early ’90s or so.

  105. @Bardon Kaldian
    Why affluent families etc.?

    Since I don't see irony here, I can only say that the WO have been dominated, mostly, by "Northern" peoples in all areas- hockey, skiing, biathlon ...

    Most medals belong to a bunch of Scandinavians.

    Replies: @Jeff, @Anonymous, @Magic Dirt Resident

    WO = winter olympics, or … world order!

  106. @Buzz Mohawk
    @AnotherDad

    Indeed, Dad, they are very, very fit, and that is why you enjoy looking at them. I posit the thought that "the girls" in figure skating are actually participating in a sporting competition that even we old White creeps here would agree is appropriate athletic competition for young women. It is a beautiful thing, and it requires real fitness and endless hours, days and months of practice. The result is athletic, female art.


    https://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=%2Fphoto%2F2018%2F0105%2Fr310728_1296x729_16-9.jpg

    Replies: @SafeNow, @The Wild Geese Howard, @nokangaroos

    even we old White creeps here

    These days we prefer the phrase, “Men of culture.”

    I’ll see ladies’ figure skating and raise by European womens’ track:

    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCUxiFtpKXG-scfjvnGi9NFg

  107. @YetAnotherAnon
    @Buffalo Joe

    "14-day passes, for an adult is less than $100"

    Good grief - that is an unbelieveable price. In "ordinary" European resorts i.e. not St Anton or Meribel - a 6 day adult pass in high season is about 190 euros.

    Mind, I've just looked for a six day pass at Heavenly Valley (Tahoe), where I went 20 years ago - 800 dollars!

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard

    In “ordinary” European resorts i.e. not St Anton or Meribel – a 6 day adult pass in high season is about 190 euros.

    You can still get say, a 4 day pass at somewhere like Les 2 Alpes for 210 euros. That’s not bad for 2268 meters of vertical. Day tickets are still 54 euro, up a few euro since I was there 7 years ago.

    Of course, in the present day, the Covid Commies are empowered to ask for your papers at anytime.

  108. I don’t get the biathlon. I’ve never gone hunting in the winter on skis.

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
    @Enemy of Earth


    I don’t get the biathlon. I’ve never gone hunting in the winter on skis.
     

    The modern biathlon is a civilian variant of the old military combined exercise.[2] In Norway, the biathlon was until 1984 a branch of Det frivillige Skyttervesen, an organization set up by the government to promote civilian marksmanship in support of national defence. In Norwegian, the biathlon is called skiskyting (literally ski shooting).[3] In Norway there are still separate contests in skifeltskyting, a cross-country race at 12 km with large-caliber rifle shooting at various targets with unknown range.[4]

    Called military patrol, the combination of skiing and shooting was contested at the Winter Olympic Games in 1924, and then demonstrated in 1928, 1936, and 1948, during which time Norway and Finland were strong competitors. In 1948, the sport was reorganized under the Union Internationale de Pentathlon Moderne et Biathlon and became re-accepted as an Olympic sport in 1955,[5] with widespread popularity within the Soviet and Swedish winter sport circuits.[6][7]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biathlon
     
    So, not civilian but military roots.

    Finnish shooting match fun.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyUy_EFovXA

    Replies: @JMcG

    , @Esso
    @Enemy of Earth

    The traditional form of lynx hunting can be a very demanding skiing excercise. They might climb a tree so you need a firearm. I guess in the right conditions you can catch wolves too.

    Moose are somewhat easy to catch in deep crusty snow and open terrain.

    Replies: @Bill Jones, @Buffalo Joe

    , @JMcG
    @Enemy of Earth

    The Finnish Army certainly did. During the Winter War and the Continuation War.

  109. So Steve, speaking of “Ice People” sports, I am recovering from some manner of cold and watching NASCAR at the LA Memorial Stadium.

    There’s a “Half Time” show with Ice-T rappin’ and boppin’. They actually stopped the race, had a halftime show, and are going to restart the second half.

    Dale Earnhardt Sr. is rolling in his grave. 🤦🏻‍♂️

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @mmack

    Half Time of a NASCAR race?

    Replies: @mmack

  110. @Alfa158
    @Graham

    That’s interesting, in the US skiing has become a rich people’s sport. Here in California a standard single day lift ticket at Mammoth Mountain costs $160 a day, Aspen in Colorado costs $200 a day. Almost no one lives near ski areas so there are lodging, food and transportation costs. Oligarchs fly in from the East Coast and Mexico and in high season the airport runs out of ramp space for parking private jets.
    The only people who can ski for cheap are the local area kids who get training from the local resort in the hope they will become competitive skiers.
    I wonder if Europe has gone the same route?

    Replies: @JimDandy, @Buffalo Joe, @Buzz Mohawk, @AnotherDad, @HOOLIGAN, @Jeff, @Peter Akuleyev, @Mike1

    You didn’t even pick the priciest. I just looked at Big Sky’s website. You can pay $227 for a single day ticket, and that doesn’t even allow you to ride the tram, which is the easy+convenient way to get from base to the top. I’m not sure which of those two things annoys me more. This is my local resort, but it a separate world.

  111. @tanabear
    Real ice people sports:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8A7woRoVwyM

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous

    What about rap and drug-dealing?

    • Replies: @Mike Tre
    @Chrisnonymous

    https://cdn.geekwire.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/About-Ice-Cube-1260x708.jpg

  112. @prosa123
    @Paperback Writer

    In the US what are the four biggest (i.e. lucrative) sports below the Big Four, not including soccer.

    Golf, NASCAR and tennis definitely are three. I'm not so certain about the fourth, maybe the UFC?

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    I’m trying to think of sports like lacrosse that are good for kids to play, not too dangerous, and which may have scholarship potential. Golf and tennis are ideal. Golf, I think, is the best. You don’t die unless you get hit in the head by a freak accident. Surprisingly number of scholarships. Loads of spinoff potential – getting to know the men in your neck of the woods who control the economy. Think of the real estate sales.

    • Replies: @prosa123
    @Paperback Writer

    I’m trying to think of sports like lacrosse that are good for kids to play, not too dangerous, and which may have scholarship potential. Golf and tennis are ideal. Golf, I think, is the best.

    Rowing (crew) is another possibility. Tremendous physical conditioning and it's not the sort of sport that one has to start practicing as a small child in order to succeed.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    , @S. Anonyia
    @Paperback Writer

    Cross-country running.

  113. @Anonymous
    OT: Any isteve readers speak mandarin? I can’t figure out what The Rock said, but it seemed to be about an urgent matter of import:

    https://twitter.com/damonimani/status/1490056462244188166?s=20&t=EUZ6xesO-ZX-28skGFwXlQ

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous

    Poor Joe Rogan. That $100m paycheck from Spotify got in his head, and he decided to grovel and apologize. Now he’s finished. Even if his program stays on the air, he’s lost his independence, the reason that people tuned in.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @Chrisnonymous

    Never apologize. It's a sign of weakness.
    - John Wayne

    , @Bill Jones
    @Chrisnonymous


    Poor Joe Rogan
     
    Really?

    https://dailycaller.com/2022/02/07/rumble-joe-rogan-100-million-spotify/

    Would that I were that poor.

  114. @Feryl
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Other than Snow cross (which is a race), snowboarding should be jettisoned. As should skateboarding in the Summer Olympics. "Trick" oriented events for Snowboarding and Skateboarding are tedious, unless you do this stuff as a hobby or something (which 99.9% of people older than 25 don't). I don't really understand why they don't try a skateboard race which would be a lot more exciting and have a rubber necker factor like snow cross and many of the cyclist and skiing events.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @zoos

    Speaking of rubber necker events, why don’t they just make the Winter Olympics the same events as the Summer Olympics? Cycling… on icy roads. Kayaking… by pushing yourself across frozen rivers. Long jump… onto frozen sand.

    • Agree: S. Anonyia
    • Replies: @S. Anonyia
    @Chrisnonymous

    I would actually watch the Winter Olympics if this were the case.

    As someone from the subtropics the Winter Olympics are not relatable or entertaining. Speed skating and the biathlon are interesting, that’s about it.

    , @Feryl
    @Chrisnonymous

    They do make bikes tricked out for the winter, so outdoor races in the elements wouldn't be that far fetched. But my hunch is that the IOC wants to keep distinction betweent the two seasonal Olympics. On foot Marathoning in cold weather would be interesting, how much faster would people be with overheating and dehydration significantly reduced (unless the Olympics are held on the West Coast or in NW Europe the summer heat is usually pretty nasty for runners)?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

  115. Sorry, OT…but how many thousands of dollars would I have to contribute to SS for him to address Ron Unz’s claim that “COVID-19 Was an ‘Anti-Economy’ Bioweapon by the U.S. Against China?”

    I would seriously like to know what he thinks about that claim.

    But I’m also quite sure that I will never find out.

  116. @anonymous coward
    @AndrewR

    Pretty sure Harry and Archie aren't princes anymore.

    Replies: @Alden, @AndrewR

    Harry was born a prince and will die a prince. That title cannot be taken away. It’s a blood genetic thing. And he looks a lot more like his father prince Charles than does his brother William. Archie is not a prince.

    Prince of the United Kingdom Andrew Herbert is also a genetic blood prince. But only from his mother Elizabeth. Not from his mother’s husband Philip of the Royal house of Denmark. A royal house stationed temporarily in Greece for a couple decades.

    Prince Andrew Herbert and his one night stand with a 17 year old prostitute is the least of his doings since he got out of the navy more than 20 years ago. Try blackmail extortion soliciting and accepting bribes gun running. That’s why Prince Charles and other PTB insisted his job as UK trade envoy be taken away. Jeff Epstein was respectable compared to some of his friends.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Alden


    Archie is not a prince.
     
    Yet. He will be soon.


    Matt Baker can explain it in two minutes:


    https://youtu.be/46N-bulO-aM&t=7m44s
  117. @prosa123
    @Bugg

    my friend’s cousin is Sonny Milano, who is now an Anheim Duck after being drafted in th 1st round by the Columbus Blue Jackets. But in that case, he had to move to Michigan to get in a high end Junior team. His dad worked for the Long Island Railroad, so it took a big chunk of his income.

    More like a microscopic part of Dad's income. LIRR union salaries are insanely off the charts; always in six figures, the leftmost number of which is frequently not 1.

    Replies: @Alden

    Another cubicle coolie who thinks it outrageous that anyone other than a cubicle coolie should earn a living wage.

    One of the numerous reasons why I’m not a conservative.

    Anyone who works for another person and gets paid by another person is a worker or working class no matter what the title or how many degrees he has.

    • Agree: JMcG
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Alden



    LIRR union salaries are insanely off the charts; always in six figures, the leftmost number of which is frequently not 1.
     
    Another cubicle coolie who thinks it outrageous that anyone other than a cubicle coolie should earn a living wage.
     
    Are you willing to make the same argument for the MTA that you do for the LIRR?

    More than 40% of transit workers are black...

    https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/kadiagoba/coronavirus-new-york-brooklyn-essential-workers-black-poc

     

    "Living wage" is often a dog whistle for affirmative action. And who on this forum is most opposed to that?
    , @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Alden

    The Long Island RR is a commuter line and part of New York's Metropolitan Transportation Authority. It is a government agency; public employee unions are an inherent contradiction and should not exist. Sorry iSteve, but this means the cops and firefighter unions too.

  118. @Cortes
    Shouldn’t there be a campaign to include ice-fishing as an Olympic event? Or is that too downmarket? Can’t be any more boring to watch than curling.

    Replies: @SaneClownPosse

    One could be the top ice fisherperson in their local ecosystem, but if the fish ain’t biting, they catch zilch.

    PETA would have a field day at that Olympics.

    • Thanks: Cortes
  119. I was happy to note that Beverly Zu the natural born American citizen who defected to the Chinese skating team has had much hate heaped on her by the Chinese because she came in last.

    Ha ha witch go back to China and stay there.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
    • Thanks: Buffalo Joe
    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @Alden

    Here's a picture of the ungrateful b***h crashing and burning.

    http://ace.mu.nu/archives/Karma55.jpg

    , @Bill Jones
    @Alden

    Congratulations. You are the first person I've seen with any fucks to give concerning these Games.

    Replies: @Kylie

    , @Corvinus
    @Alden

    That’s very UNCHRISTIAN of you to say. Why does hate control your heart?

    Replies: @Neil Templeton

    , @Paperback Writer
    @Alden

    Zu may have crashed but Gu won.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @Paperback Writer
    @Alden

    I don't understand- the DM sez she gave up her American citizenship. Did Eileen Gu?

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10484729/US-born-Chinese-figure-skater-Zhu-Yi-falls-breaks-tears.html

  120. @Jake Barnes
    @AndrewR

    Mr Sailer had a terrific post on the Harry-Markle nuptials. The only one I’ve ever noticed him self-censor and delete. Cancelled!

    Replies: @AndrewR, @SaneClownPosse

    Internet archived?

    Must of been a good read to get that attention.

    • Replies: @Liza
    @SaneClownPosse

    Please, oh please, where can I find this?

    Replies: @AndrewR

  121. @Reg Cæsar
    It's about time the Winter Olympics were held in the Southern Hemisphere, in July or August. This would be quite appealing to boreal audiences experiencing 90s in both Fahrenheit and humidity.

    Launceston, Tasmania once considered making a bid for the Winters, but mounting bids can be as strenuous as hosting the Games themselves. New Zealand, Patagonia, and Lesotho are other options.

    Replies: @prosa123

    Launceston, Tasmania once considered making a bid for the Winters, but mounting bids can be as strenuous as hosting the Games themselves. New Zealand, Patagonia, and Lesotho are other options.

    With the highest lowest elevation of any country, Lesotho gets snow in winter and has a small ski resort, but as far as I know its snowfalls aren’t heavy or consistent enough to be suitable for all Winter Olympics events and it probably doesn’t have the resources to create huge amounts of artificial snow like China has done. Nor would it be able to handle all the other enormous hosting costs.

    • Replies: @sb
    @prosa123

    I think you might be mixing up Launceston with Queenstown in New Zealand . There is some low key club skiing in Tasmania but nothing like a serious ski resort
    Australian mountains are too small for events such as the Downhill although New Zealand could do so
    The only Southern Hemisphere places that could perhaps realistically hold the Winter Games are in Chile and Argentina ( Australia lacks the big mountains and New Zealand lacks the people and large winter sports development )
    But the South American countries lack winter sport expertise and interest not to mention money.
    These days the Winter Games are shared between a largish city ( for the ice events ) and a (hopefully ) nearby well developed ski resort .
    Rather doubt any Southern Hemisphere venue would qualify

  122. @Paperback Writer
    @prosa123

    I'm trying to think of sports like lacrosse that are good for kids to play, not too dangerous, and which may have scholarship potential. Golf and tennis are ideal. Golf, I think, is the best. You don't die unless you get hit in the head by a freak accident. Surprisingly number of scholarships. Loads of spinoff potential - getting to know the men in your neck of the woods who control the economy. Think of the real estate sales.

    Replies: @prosa123, @S. Anonyia

    I’m trying to think of sports like lacrosse that are good for kids to play, not too dangerous, and which may have scholarship potential. Golf and tennis are ideal. Golf, I think, is the best.

    Rowing (crew) is another possibility. Tremendous physical conditioning and it’s not the sort of sport that one has to start practicing as a small child in order to succeed.

    • Thanks: Paperback Writer
    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @prosa123

    prosa, men's lacrosse, at all college levels, is dangerous. A rock hard ball at 100 plus mph can do some serious damage. Full contact and only light weight shoulder pads, elbow pads and gloves,helmet, goalie gets a chest protector, no one wears leg pads (field lax not box lax.) Some years ago the team captain at Cornell took a shot to the chest and died on the field. There is scholarship money but the good players play year round, indoor, travel and scholastic. Golf and tennis you can play forever. Rowing, crew is big around here, requires tall rowers with long arms. Can't coach height. Stay safe.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer, @Reg Cæsar

  123. @mmack
    So Steve, speaking of “Ice People” sports, I am recovering from some manner of cold and watching NASCAR at the LA Memorial Stadium.

    There’s a “Half Time” show with Ice-T rappin’ and boppin’. They actually stopped the race, had a halftime show, and are going to restart the second half.

    Dale Earnhardt Sr. is rolling in his grave. 🤦🏻‍♂️

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Half Time of a NASCAR race?

    • Replies: @mmack
    @Steve Sailer

    Yes sir.

    They ran the first half, stopped the race, pulled the cars in the pits, did two songs with Ice-T, and restarted the second half.

    Couldn’t believe it either.

    Thank goodness I’m an IndyCar fan. 😏

    Replies: @JMcG

  124. @Bugg
    @Feryl

    Friend has a son who has been blessed to play with the Jr. NY Islanders squad, cousin has a son affiliated with the Jr. LA Kings. The investment in time and money is off the charts. Pretty much traveling 3 weekends a month to tournaments across North America. Hockey unlike baseball, basketball or football is more club team oriented than school; kids skip high school games to play for their club teams all the time. My cousin in SoCal, even worse because unlike the northeast, LA to anyplace is a plane ride. It can pay off; my friend's cousin is Sonny Milano, who is now an Anheim Duck after being drafted in th 1st round by the Columbus Blue Jackets. But in that case, he had to move to Michigan to get in a high end Junior team. His dad worked for the Long Island Railroad, so it took a big chunk of his income.

    Replies: @prosa123, @additionalMike, @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    Ah, the mighty Anaheim Ducks hockey team.
    Anybody remember the hockey Long Island Ducks?
    No?
    Sorry for asking.

    • LOL: Bugg
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @additionalMike


    Anybody remember the hockey Long Island Ducks?
     
    Yes. I was disappointed at the time that the brand-new Islanders didn't carry on that name. Shameful, but at least "Islanders" has some class.

    Other misnamed teams are


    The New York Yankees. Wrong state; evidently a WWI-Cohan thing

    The Minnesota Wild. They thought the rest of the state wouldn't have accepted a "St Paul" team, but the whole world would have had they used the city's original name, Pig's Eye

    The Anaheim Mighty Ducks. What would have been-- indeed, already had been-- a beloved mascot for Long Island was a cynical one for Orange County. Why not just call them the Disney Ducks?

    The Seattle Kracken. Besides adding to the awful 1970s fad of singular names, this outfit will do almost anything to trade on the city's 1917 Stanley Cup--America's first-- except the most respectable, as well as the most obvious, thing-- carry on that team's name.

    https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/2g_VE9rKQTU3UfznENxnCJsg_io=/1400x1400/filters:format(jpeg)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/22958702/metropolitans_banner.jpg

  125. @Alden
    @anonymous coward

    Harry was born a prince and will die a prince. That title cannot be taken away. It’s a blood genetic thing. And he looks a lot more like his father prince Charles than does his brother William. Archie is not a prince.

    Prince of the United Kingdom Andrew Herbert is also a genetic blood prince. But only from his mother Elizabeth. Not from his mother’s husband Philip of the Royal house of Denmark. A royal house stationed temporarily in Greece for a couple decades.

    Prince Andrew Herbert and his one night stand with a 17 year old prostitute is the least of his doings since he got out of the navy more than 20 years ago. Try blackmail extortion soliciting and accepting bribes gun running. That’s why Prince Charles and other PTB insisted his job as UK trade envoy be taken away. Jeff Epstein was respectable compared to some of his friends.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Archie is not a prince.

    Yet. He will be soon.

    Matt Baker can explain it in two minutes:

    • LOL: Liza
  126. @Chrisnonymous
    @Feryl

    Speaking of rubber necker events, why don't they just make the Winter Olympics the same events as the Summer Olympics? Cycling... on icy roads. Kayaking... by pushing yourself across frozen rivers. Long jump... onto frozen sand.

    Replies: @S. Anonyia, @Feryl

    I would actually watch the Winter Olympics if this were the case.

    As someone from the subtropics the Winter Olympics are not relatable or entertaining. Speed skating and the biathlon are interesting, that’s about it.

  127. @Paperback Writer
    @prosa123

    I'm trying to think of sports like lacrosse that are good for kids to play, not too dangerous, and which may have scholarship potential. Golf and tennis are ideal. Golf, I think, is the best. You don't die unless you get hit in the head by a freak accident. Surprisingly number of scholarships. Loads of spinoff potential - getting to know the men in your neck of the woods who control the economy. Think of the real estate sales.

    Replies: @prosa123, @S. Anonyia

    Cross-country running.

  128. @SaneClownPosse
    @Jake Barnes

    Internet archived?

    Must of been a good read to get that attention.

    Replies: @Liza

    Please, oh please, where can I find this?

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Liza

    He said something like: white girls are good for marriage, black girls are good as servants and mulattas are good for... fun

  129. @jjbees
    Off topic,

    Infrequent commenter (every 2-3 years or so), but this really made me think:

    https://www.foxnews.com/us/baltimore-patterson-high-school-reading-levels-elementary

    77% of high school students (adults) reading at a kindergarten level?
    These schools have millions of dollars, and no results.

    Why are Americans so stupid? Why do we ignore the obvious?

    The United States has a serious human capital problem. As we know, human capital is largely genetic. We can continue to deny this, and shout "We need to fix education! We need to fix health care!" until we are blue in the face, when the plain truth is we need more high functioning humans and less poorly functioning ones.

    The United States has long been the home to a large "smart fraction" of highly competent leaders (I call this the "peak human capital" or "top 10 %", but "smart fraction" works just as well) in business, science, etc. and this is a good thing, but we have neglected "average" human capital.

    A large part of what makes society nice is having high average human capital, so that the average person isn't very poor, unhealthy, stupid, aggressive, criminal, etc.

    The failures we see now in crime, homelessness, drug addiction, illiteracy among schoolchildren, cities being unlivable, people being ungovernable, all stem from the same problem- the continual and accelerating decline in average human capital in the U.S.

    I haven't seen much policy from either republicans or democrats that would do the one thing that would save the united states - increase average human capital.

    Simple policy measures:

    -Close borders to countries with low IQ, low income, low standards of living, high crime, high disease burden, these are all indicators of low quality human beings you do NOT want in your country
    -Implement some sort of social policy to disincentivize low quality citizens from having children (mandatory birth control, institutionalization, etc.)
    -Incentivize high quality citizens to have children
    -Exile all criminals to foreign countries or Alaska, or ensure they don't have children, to remove future criminals from the gene pool (as we know, behavior is genetic in origin!)

    By increasing average human capital, you make the USA a nice place to live. The countries that are nice to live in have high *average* human capital - if your car breaks down you want someone to pull over and help you fix it - that's a good country - in a bad one you worry about wandering drug addict zombies seeing you vulnerable and robbing you - that's california and the west coast (and the rest of the U.S. in a few short years).

    This isn't a prediction. This is the present. We are living it. The USA is a "developing" (just a euphemism for shithole with low average human capital) country with corrupt, stupid, criminal citizens. We let them in! We let them live here! We let them have children! We pay for them to bully us and make life worse in thousands of little ways every day - and we want MORE!

    We need every sane person standing on the rooftop shouting, "THEY'RE LOOTING THE F***ING TRAINS!"

    Replies: @Lurker, @Anonymous, @Peter Akuleyev, @David Davenport

    The people with the power to change this look on and smile. Everything is going to plan.

  130. @Alden
    @prosa123

    Another cubicle coolie who thinks it outrageous that anyone other than a cubicle coolie should earn a living wage.

    One of the numerous reasons why I’m not a conservative.

    Anyone who works for another person and gets paid by another person is a worker or working class no matter what the title or how many degrees he has.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @The Anti-Gnostic

    LIRR union salaries are insanely off the charts; always in six figures, the leftmost number of which is frequently not 1.

    Another cubicle coolie who thinks it outrageous that anyone other than a cubicle coolie should earn a living wage.

    Are you willing to make the same argument for the MTA that you do for the LIRR?

    More than 40% of transit workers are black…

    https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/kadiagoba/coronavirus-new-york-brooklyn-essential-workers-black-poc

    “Living wage” is often a dog whistle for affirmative action. And who on this forum is most opposed to that?

  131. @Chrisnonymous
    @tanabear

    What about rap and drug-dealing?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rog8ou-ZepE

    Replies: @Mike Tre

  132. @AndrewR
    Today is the 70th anniversary of the death of King George VI and the accession of Elizabeth to the throne.

    Her daughter Anne competed in the 1976 Olympics as part of the British equestrian team. This isn't terribly surprising when one considers how elite of a sport equestrianism is. Maybe Prince Archie, with his mother's Bantu genes, will be the first royal to compete in Olympic track and field. Regardless, when he's going to have to take up some intensive sport for the sake of his mental health. Imagine being the child of Prince Harry AND Meghan Markle. Those children barely stand a chance in life.

    Replies: @anonymous coward, @Jake Barnes, @njguy73, @Dennis Dale, @Angharad, @Bill Jones, @Ghost of Bull Moose, @Harvey Johnson, @Reg Cæsar

    Maybe Prince Archie, with his mother’s Bantu genes,

    In our wonderful future of viral panics and negrophilia, the one drop rule will work in reverse. The trick will be to have as little actual Bantu as you can while still claiming the royal privilege of negritude. Archie’s descendants with their diminishing Bantu genes will have it made.

    • Replies: @Cortes
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    Archie might turn out like a previous Black Archibald... Archibald the Grim:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archibald_Douglas,_3rd_Earl_of_Douglas

  133. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    @AndrewR


    Maybe Prince Archie, with his mother’s Bantu genes,
     
    In our wonderful future of viral panics and negrophilia, the one drop rule will work in reverse. The trick will be to have as little actual Bantu as you can while still claiming the royal privilege of negritude. Archie's descendants with their diminishing Bantu genes will have it made.

    Replies: @Cortes

    Archie might turn out like a previous Black Archibald… Archibald the Grim:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archibald_Douglas,_3rd_Earl_of_Douglas

  134. @Buzz Mohawk
    @Feryl


    Figure skating is a joke, Broadway theater masquerading as an athletic competition. Summer gymnastics events generally require acrobatic agility, strength, and power, so they are more legit. Figure skaters however generally don’t even look that fit, which ought to tell you something.
     
    Man are you wrong! Can you do what they do? No, of course you can't.

    Besides, women figure skaters are some of the sexiest athletic creatures on the planet.


    https://i.pinimg.com/736x/a0/cc/78/a0cc7832f0f000594f680ad2a7281d38--kim-yuna-figure-skating-dresses.jpg

    Replies: @PaceLaw, @Buffalo Joe, @The Ringmaster

    Buzz, two words…Katarina Witt. Someone please post her photo.

    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
    @Buffalo Joe

    As that great wit Mark Knopfler once said: A-look at them yo-yos...

    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a4/57/f7/a457f7072685836747f45c0bfba48c4b.jpg

    , @Ralph L
    @Buffalo Joe

    Two more words: boob job.

    , @Brutusale
    @Buffalo Joe

    https://i.pinimg.com/736x/cb/02/58/cb0258cd6a1f93e95d5b30a0d2acf03f.jpg

    Lest we forget, she did pose for Playboy. NSFW--does that mean anything anymore?

    https://thefappeningblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Katarina-Witt-Nude-TheFappeningBlog.com-1.jpg

    Back during the 1994 Olympics, my ex and I had a party the night of the ladies figure skating finals (the Kerrigan-Harding Olympics). My single friend Danny almost got himself banned for life by the wives when Witt, the final skater of the night for the last performance of her career, came to center ice. "Sorry, she should get 2/10 of a point just for lugging those breasts through the whole routine!"

    Google the "Katarina Rule". Which is why her competition used to call her "Honaker's Whore".

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @Buffalo Joe

  135. @Alden
    @prosa123

    Another cubicle coolie who thinks it outrageous that anyone other than a cubicle coolie should earn a living wage.

    One of the numerous reasons why I’m not a conservative.

    Anyone who works for another person and gets paid by another person is a worker or working class no matter what the title or how many degrees he has.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @The Anti-Gnostic

    The Long Island RR is a commuter line and part of New York’s Metropolitan Transportation Authority. It is a government agency; public employee unions are an inherent contradiction and should not exist. Sorry iSteve, but this means the cops and firefighter unions too.

  136. @Steve Sailer
    @mmack

    Half Time of a NASCAR race?

    Replies: @mmack

    Yes sir.

    They ran the first half, stopped the race, pulled the cars in the pits, did two songs with Ice-T, and restarted the second half.

    Couldn’t believe it either.

    Thank goodness I’m an IndyCar fan. 😏

    • Replies: @JMcG
    @mmack

    I was told once that the only two sporting events that couldn’t be bet in Vegas were Professional wrestling and Nascar. Seems about right to me. One of those stories that’s too good to check.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Brutusale

  137. @Chrisnonymous
    @Anonymous

    Poor Joe Rogan. That $100m paycheck from Spotify got in his head, and he decided to grovel and apologize. Now he's finished. Even if his program stays on the air, he's lost his independence, the reason that people tuned in.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Bill Jones

    Never apologize. It’s a sign of weakness.
    – John Wayne

  138. @prosa123
    @Paperback Writer

    I’m trying to think of sports like lacrosse that are good for kids to play, not too dangerous, and which may have scholarship potential. Golf and tennis are ideal. Golf, I think, is the best.

    Rowing (crew) is another possibility. Tremendous physical conditioning and it's not the sort of sport that one has to start practicing as a small child in order to succeed.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    prosa, men’s lacrosse, at all college levels, is dangerous. A rock hard ball at 100 plus mph can do some serious damage. Full contact and only light weight shoulder pads, elbow pads and gloves,helmet, goalie gets a chest protector, no one wears leg pads (field lax not box lax.) Some years ago the team captain at Cornell took a shot to the chest and died on the field. There is scholarship money but the good players play year round, indoor, travel and scholastic. Golf and tennis you can play forever. Rowing, crew is big around here, requires tall rowers with long arms. Can’t coach height. Stay safe.

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @Buffalo Joe

    Good point, Buffalo. Also pro lacrosse pays shit.

    Golf & tennis are the way to go. Look at this:

    http://www.protennislive.com/posting/ramr/career_prize.pdf

    Do you remember Paul Annacone? I vaguely do. He's #489 and made $1.6M career. Not bad. Coaches now.

    I'm sure golf is more lucrative.

    BTW, the Russian figure skating ladies are now doing quad jumps. Wow.

    , @Reg Cæsar
  139. @Enemy of Earth
    I don't get the biathlon. I've never gone hunting in the winter on skis.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin, @Esso, @JMcG

    I don’t get the biathlon. I’ve never gone hunting in the winter on skis.

    The modern biathlon is a civilian variant of the old military combined exercise.[2] In Norway, the biathlon was until 1984 a branch of Det frivillige Skyttervesen, an organization set up by the government to promote civilian marksmanship in support of national defence. In Norwegian, the biathlon is called skiskyting (literally ski shooting).[3] In Norway there are still separate contests in skifeltskyting, a cross-country race at 12 km with large-caliber rifle shooting at various targets with unknown range.[4]

    Called military patrol, the combination of skiing and shooting was contested at the Winter Olympic Games in 1924, and then demonstrated in 1928, 1936, and 1948, during which time Norway and Finland were strong competitors. In 1948, the sport was reorganized under the Union Internationale de Pentathlon Moderne et Biathlon and became re-accepted as an Olympic sport in 1955,[5] with widespread popularity within the Soviet and Swedish winter sport circuits.[6][7]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biathlon

    So, not civilian but military roots.

    Finnish shooting match fun.

    • Replies: @JMcG
    @Joe Stalin

    I cannot stand that guy from Forgotten Weapons. Total soy boy running around in army clothes LARPing. He’s knowledgeable, I’ll give him that, I just can’t abide his affectations.

  140. @Buffalo Joe
    @prosa123

    prosa, men's lacrosse, at all college levels, is dangerous. A rock hard ball at 100 plus mph can do some serious damage. Full contact and only light weight shoulder pads, elbow pads and gloves,helmet, goalie gets a chest protector, no one wears leg pads (field lax not box lax.) Some years ago the team captain at Cornell took a shot to the chest and died on the field. There is scholarship money but the good players play year round, indoor, travel and scholastic. Golf and tennis you can play forever. Rowing, crew is big around here, requires tall rowers with long arms. Can't coach height. Stay safe.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer, @Reg Cæsar

    Good point, Buffalo. Also pro lacrosse pays shit.

    Golf & tennis are the way to go. Look at this:

    http://www.protennislive.com/posting/ramr/career_prize.pdf

    Do you remember Paul Annacone? I vaguely do. He’s #489 and made $1.6M career. Not bad. Coaches now.

    I’m sure golf is more lucrative.

    BTW, the Russian figure skating ladies are now doing quad jumps. Wow.

  141. @AnotherDad
    @Altai


    It’s also just aesthetically nice to watch lots of different Northern Europeans.
     
    Spot on Altai.

    Normal white people--well the normally fit ones, fats and tats need not apply--being normal is just ... pleasant to see.

    I wasn't even particularly persnickety up about this. My own friends are a variety of hues. (I appreciate folks for who they are, how they behave, what ideas they hold, what sort of person they are--there for me when I need them?)

    But after the last few years of having blacks--and black dysfunction!--jammed in my face as normative, I'm developing a high antibody response. And I really appreciate not having my face rubbed in it and being able to see my normality.

    Replies: @Feryl, @Paperback Writer, @Mike_from_SGV

    But after the last few years of having blacks–and black dysfunction!–jammed in my face as normative, I’m developing a high antibody response. And I really appreciate not having my face rubbed in it and being able to see my normality.

    Yes, exactly. I’ve been reduced to watching educational TV which has a lot of British imports. This has been mentioned repeatedly but again: why must there be a black character is every story, including the ones that take place in the 19th century? Those used to be the most entertaining British imports because they really did up the costumes and rubbed your face in white dysfunction, which the British make, in their gift for theatricality, entertaining – Cockneys and upper class gents, etc. The contrast. Now everything has a black character. I’m not exaggerating. I just turn off in disgust. When will it end?

    • Agree: Cortes
    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    @Paperback Writer

    Are you still paying the corporations who push this garbage? If so, please, cancel the TV "Service" already. They don't care if you "turn it off" when you're still giving them your money every month.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    , @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
    @Paperback Writer


    Yes, exactly. I’ve been reduced to watching educational TV which has a lot of British imports. This has been mentioned repeatedly but again: why must there be a black character is every story, including the ones that take place in the 19th century? Those used to be the most entertaining British imports because they really did up the costumes and rubbed your face in white dysfunction, which the British make, in their gift for theatricality, entertaining – Cockneys and upper class gents, etc. The contrast. Now everything has a black character. I’m not exaggerating. I just turn off in disgust. When will it end?
     
    I've been watching the 2020 redux of All Creatures Great and Small, which is a story about a greenhorn Scottish veterinarian who moves to a small village in Yorkshire to cure the County's horses, cows, pigs and dogs.

    True to form in the first season, there is an older black woman married to a white man who has a soliloquy about her husband accepting her when they knew that the village wouldn't. She is a device which convinces the young Scot's lover interest to call off her wedding to the Lord of the big house and pursue her affections for our protagonist. I do not know whether the black female character exists in Herriot's source material but I doubt it. Maybe London, but rural Yorkshire?

    As far as these things go, it's not too obtrusive yet. I very well may be corrected in episodes to come.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer, @Ralph L

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Paperback Writer


    This has been mentioned repeatedly but again: why must there be a black character is every story, including the ones that take place in the 19th century?
     
    A new Kwik Trip commercial is preceding our informational videos. It's long, and features a thin white mother and her four mulatto children, with a late cameo appearance by her black husband. It's not short, either.

    Kwik Trip, based in La Crosse, operates stores only in Wisconsin and Minnesota and, as Kwik Star, in Iowa. And not in every corner of those states; they deliver fresh meals daily to every store and thus keep to a tight radius from their HQ. (Basically the gas station equivalent of Culver's, before the latter's recent expansion.)

    The demographics of this area outside the Twin Cities metro-- and they avoid the inner cities-- is as white or whiter than England, and "non-white" will mean Hmong as much as anything else.

    This commercial is so alien to their core market that it must be from some new, urban agency. Perhaps the one who did the Cheerios ad that irked people back in 2013? Their previous ads feature real people, but these folks are way to professional and choreographed for that.

    These news reports would work better as spots; they are certainly more representative:


    https://youtu.be/mxnQioRA_w4

    https://youtu.be/8A_PPr-Df0g

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Jack P

  142. @Buffalo Joe
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Buzz, two words...Katarina Witt. Someone please post her photo.

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein, @Ralph L, @Brutusale

    As that great wit Mark Knopfler once said: A-look at them yo-yos…

  143. @AndrewR
    Today is the 70th anniversary of the death of King George VI and the accession of Elizabeth to the throne.

    Her daughter Anne competed in the 1976 Olympics as part of the British equestrian team. This isn't terribly surprising when one considers how elite of a sport equestrianism is. Maybe Prince Archie, with his mother's Bantu genes, will be the first royal to compete in Olympic track and field. Regardless, when he's going to have to take up some intensive sport for the sake of his mental health. Imagine being the child of Prince Harry AND Meghan Markle. Those children barely stand a chance in life.

    Replies: @anonymous coward, @Jake Barnes, @njguy73, @Dennis Dale, @Angharad, @Bill Jones, @Ghost of Bull Moose, @Harvey Johnson, @Reg Cæsar

    Harry Markle, formerly known as Prince…

  144. @Bill Jones
    @YetAnotherAnon

    There's nothing like losing two disastrous wars and viscous starvation in the occupation after the last one for focusing the mind.

    The two richest families in Germany got that way by selling discount food and basics,
    God bless the Albrecht's and Schwarz's,

    Replies: @Right_On

    Aldi and Lidl, huh?

    They’re both big in the UK, but I have to say I’m disappointed with Germans for eating the poor-quality food on offer. You can’t even get decent Kartoffelsalat mit Bockwurst.

    Germans should concentrate on engineering products, like U-boats. Their Type 212 with air-independent propulsion is state of the art. Vorsprung durch Technik.

  145. @additionalMike
    @Bugg

    Ah, the mighty Anaheim Ducks hockey team.
    Anybody remember the hockey Long Island Ducks?
    No?
    Sorry for asking.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Anybody remember the hockey Long Island Ducks?

    Yes. I was disappointed at the time that the brand-new Islanders didn’t carry on that name. Shameful, but at least “Islanders” has some class.

    Other misnamed teams are

    The New York Yankees. Wrong state; evidently a WWI-Cohan thing

    The Minnesota Wild. They thought the rest of the state wouldn’t have accepted a “St Paul” team, but the whole world would have had they used the city’s original name, Pig’s Eye

    The Anaheim Mighty Ducks. What would have been– indeed, already had been– a beloved mascot for Long Island was a cynical one for Orange County. Why not just call them the Disney Ducks?

    The Seattle Kracken. Besides adding to the awful 1970s fad of singular names, this outfit will do almost anything to trade on the city’s 1917 Stanley Cup–America’s first– except the most respectable, as well as the most obvious, thing– carry on that team’s name.

  146. @Feryl
    Cross country is a bit of an exception, since you literally just need a pair of skis and poles and a consistently sub-freezing winter climate (and during the warmer months you find an equivalent exercise). Here in Minnesota there's not really affluent chic or privilege associated with cross country, whereas even hockey requires lots of parental investment in order to develop the skills required to play for a notable high school team/junior league team to get one's career launched ("hockey moms").

    Figure skating is a joke, Broadway theater masquerading as an athletic competition. Summer gymnastics events generally require acrobatic agility, strength, and power, so they are more legit. Figure skaters however generally don't even look that fit, which ought to tell you something.

    One thing nice about the Winter Olympics is that the empashis on technical coordination and strategic refinement generally reduces the urge of athletes to use PEDs. Whereas the purely physical traits required to run fast, lift weights, etc. in the summer Olympics mean that athletes feel obligated to do drugs to gain an edge. There's also something to be said for cold weather causing people to bundle up, so winter athletes are not constantly feeling body dysmorphia due to exposure to other athlete's physiques.

    Replies: @Bill, @Bugg, @HFR, @Buffalo Joe, @Bardon Kaldian, @Buzz Mohawk, @AnotherDad, @Reg Cæsar, @Corvinus

    Figure skating is a joke, Broadway theater masquerading as an athletic competition.

    Wow. I didn’t think there was anybody left who missed the school figures.

    That mean old Janet Lynn ruined everything! But, even when bombing the schools, boy was she pretty:

  147. @Anonymous
    There are tennis courts galore on a high school campus a couple of blocks away. Gates were always open. I used to play on them regularly. The school board locked them down due to supposed gang activity. This isn’t in a bad neighborhood. There are no occupying gangs here. The school district just wants to be on the safe side. So ten courts are locked down, empty, every day. Two blocks away, you can get on a waiting list so you can pay the city courts $850 an hour. This city has nothing but democrats running it.

    I mentioned to the shop pro that at that price, there weren’t going to be helping to produce the next Selena Williams, or any other poor minority. Out of the question.

    He said, "that’s exactly what I’ve been telling all the big brains here, but they don’t seem to give a shit."

    Unfortunately, the place doesn’t accept EBT cards.

    Replies: @Abolish_public_education

    The school board locked [tennis courts] down due to supposed gang activity.

    At the public school closest to me, the athletic facilities are fenced in. They’re off-limits during business hours, and locked down at all other times. The self-entitled schoolies insist that since taxpayers aren’t paying for extra maintenance, they shouldn’t be privileged to use the fields. (That’s gratitude for you.)

    It’s also ridiculous how sports facilities, at public (tax funded) parks, get reserved for the exclusive use of school teams and PE classes during prime times. We pay (special assessments), they play. (More spending on education that gets hidden within non-school, budget accounts.)

  148. @Bardon Kaldian
    Why affluent families etc.?

    Since I don't see irony here, I can only say that the WO have been dominated, mostly, by "Northern" peoples in all areas- hockey, skiing, biathlon ...

    Most medals belong to a bunch of Scandinavians.

    Replies: @Jeff, @Anonymous, @Magic Dirt Resident

    “Most medals belong to a bunch of Scandinavians.”
    Incorrect. Of the 3174 Winter Olympic Medals, only 527 medals have been Scandinavian. So only 16.6% of medals have been Scandinavian, far far less than 50%, meaning that nowhere near most medals belong to Scandinavians.

  149. @E. Rekshun
    OT: Haven't heard anything about this since Feb. 2nd. Hate hoax?

    nbcnews.com, 02/02/22 - FBI identifies 6 juveniles as persons of interest in bomb threats at Black colleges

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/six-juveniles-identified-fbi-persons-interests-bomb-threats-historical-rcna14591

    Six "tech savvy" juveniles have been identified as persons of interest by the FBI in threats to historically Black colleges and universities that appear to be racially motivated.

    More than a dozen historically Black colleges and universities received bomb threats on Tuesday, the first day of Black History Month...
     

    Replies: @duncsbaby

    “tech savvy”? – Possibly Asian?

    • Agree: E. Rekshun
    • Replies: @Coemgen
    @duncsbaby

    Calling someone "savvy" is rather aggrandizing. So, probably not Asian and definitely not European.

  150. Anonymous[360] • Disclaimer says:
    @jjbees
    Off topic,

    Infrequent commenter (every 2-3 years or so), but this really made me think:

    https://www.foxnews.com/us/baltimore-patterson-high-school-reading-levels-elementary

    77% of high school students (adults) reading at a kindergarten level?
    These schools have millions of dollars, and no results.

    Why are Americans so stupid? Why do we ignore the obvious?

    The United States has a serious human capital problem. As we know, human capital is largely genetic. We can continue to deny this, and shout "We need to fix education! We need to fix health care!" until we are blue in the face, when the plain truth is we need more high functioning humans and less poorly functioning ones.

    The United States has long been the home to a large "smart fraction" of highly competent leaders (I call this the "peak human capital" or "top 10 %", but "smart fraction" works just as well) in business, science, etc. and this is a good thing, but we have neglected "average" human capital.

    A large part of what makes society nice is having high average human capital, so that the average person isn't very poor, unhealthy, stupid, aggressive, criminal, etc.

    The failures we see now in crime, homelessness, drug addiction, illiteracy among schoolchildren, cities being unlivable, people being ungovernable, all stem from the same problem- the continual and accelerating decline in average human capital in the U.S.

    I haven't seen much policy from either republicans or democrats that would do the one thing that would save the united states - increase average human capital.

    Simple policy measures:

    -Close borders to countries with low IQ, low income, low standards of living, high crime, high disease burden, these are all indicators of low quality human beings you do NOT want in your country
    -Implement some sort of social policy to disincentivize low quality citizens from having children (mandatory birth control, institutionalization, etc.)
    -Incentivize high quality citizens to have children
    -Exile all criminals to foreign countries or Alaska, or ensure they don't have children, to remove future criminals from the gene pool (as we know, behavior is genetic in origin!)

    By increasing average human capital, you make the USA a nice place to live. The countries that are nice to live in have high *average* human capital - if your car breaks down you want someone to pull over and help you fix it - that's a good country - in a bad one you worry about wandering drug addict zombies seeing you vulnerable and robbing you - that's california and the west coast (and the rest of the U.S. in a few short years).

    This isn't a prediction. This is the present. We are living it. The USA is a "developing" (just a euphemism for shithole with low average human capital) country with corrupt, stupid, criminal citizens. We let them in! We let them live here! We let them have children! We pay for them to bully us and make life worse in thousands of little ways every day - and we want MORE!

    We need every sane person standing on the rooftop shouting, "THEY'RE LOOTING THE F***ING TRAINS!"

    Replies: @Lurker, @Anonymous, @Peter Akuleyev, @David Davenport

    Boo hoo. Confederates and Ex Confederates were looting the fucking trains in the 1860s, 1870s, and 1880s, and they were heroes! You are a weak pathetic modern man who eats soy and has no sense of adventure, you are a far greater genetic loser and cuckold than those great men back then, and you are precisely what’s wrong with our country today. Fortunately most people in our great country are of far greater moral caliber and intelligence than you.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Anonymous

    Duck or Crow?

    On the dog, nobody knows you're the Internet.


    https://sportingclassicsdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/crow-hunting-better-waterfowler.jpg

  151. @Buffalo Joe
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Buzz, two words...Katarina Witt. Someone please post her photo.

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein, @Ralph L, @Brutusale

    Two more words: boob job.

  152. @Abolish_public_education
    @Anon7

    I don't watch the Olympics. (I hate everything about the blue-blooded, socialist aristocrats who make-up the inter/national committees.)

    I always felt that [American] Blacks should dominate those speed skating events; and summer cycling. Obviously, there aren't enough Blacks living in places like Minnesota (i.e. close to lakes that freeze) who might want to try the sport. Also, they cannot afford to pay for the ice time at public rinks [in temperate zones], nor for high-performance racing bikes (plus city roads are a mess and their neighborhoods are prone to theft). So yeah, many Olympic sports are the embodiment of privileged.

    Have you looked at the prices for ski lift tickets, and mountain condos, lately? Equestrian: a medal reserved for the British Royal Family. Yachting: now there's a democratic sport. One Silicon Valley billionaire, a hockey fanatic, famously had a full-size ice rink built on to his McMansion. But I think his sons were more interested in playing golf (his other, sports passion). I'll bet he has a family membership at every exclusive, private club in California.

    Replies: @duncsbaby

    Obviously, there aren’t enough Blacks living in places like Minnesota

    There have been far too many blacks living in Minnesota for far too long. Sure there were a lot of white antifa participating in the George Floyd riots of 2020, but they wouldn’t have been anything w/out the black underclass of Minneapolis doing most of the burning and looting.

  153. @Liza
    @SaneClownPosse

    Please, oh please, where can I find this?

    Replies: @AndrewR

    He said something like: white girls are good for marriage, black girls are good as servants and mulattas are good for… fun

    • Thanks: Liza
  154. @anonymous coward
    @AndrewR

    Pretty sure Harry and Archie aren't princes anymore.

    Replies: @Alden, @AndrewR

    Harry will always be a prince but he and the vampire aren’t supposed to publicly identify as HRH now that she has convinced him to disown his family.

    Archie is not technically a prince but I think he will automatically become one when/if Charles takes the throne, as the son of the monarch’s son. If Charles dies before his mom and William takes the throne then Archie would not be entitled to princehood.

  155. @Anonymous
    @jjbees

    Boo hoo. Confederates and Ex Confederates were looting the fucking trains in the 1860s, 1870s, and 1880s, and they were heroes! You are a weak pathetic modern man who eats soy and has no sense of adventure, you are a far greater genetic loser and cuckold than those great men back then, and you are precisely what's wrong with our country today. Fortunately most people in our great country are of far greater moral caliber and intelligence than you.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Duck or Crow?

    On the dog, nobody knows you’re the Internet.

  156. @Buffalo Joe
    @prosa123

    prosa, men's lacrosse, at all college levels, is dangerous. A rock hard ball at 100 plus mph can do some serious damage. Full contact and only light weight shoulder pads, elbow pads and gloves,helmet, goalie gets a chest protector, no one wears leg pads (field lax not box lax.) Some years ago the team captain at Cornell took a shot to the chest and died on the field. There is scholarship money but the good players play year round, indoor, travel and scholastic. Golf and tennis you can play forever. Rowing, crew is big around here, requires tall rowers with long arms. Can't coach height. Stay safe.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer, @Reg Cæsar

    • Thanks: Buffalo Joe
    • Replies: @Feryl
    @Reg Cæsar

    Baseball also has lots of nasty head injuries. In fact, the highest rate of bad head injuries in youth sports, really making it the most dangerous youth sport (football is certainly rough but not that many kids get spinal paralysis or what have you). Hockey players often end up with missing teeth and for the goons there's definitely CTE risk, and naturally you can be pile driven into the ice or boards causing brain trauma and spinal damage. Fun fact: Jack Lambert got his front teeth knocked out from an elbow to the mouth during a pick-up basketball game. All sports carry physical risks to some degree.

  157. @Veteran Aryan
    @International Jew


    How many people outside the first world have a chance to discover their innate talent for swimming?
     
    Only those fortunate few who happen to live next to the ocean, a sea, a lake, a pond, a river, or a swimming pool.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    How many people outside the first world have a chance to discover their innate talent for swimming?

    Only those fortunate few who happen to live next to the ocean, a sea, a lake, a pond, a river, or a swimming pool.

    Bed-Stuy fits most of those. How are they doing?

    Still, many of these “fortunate few” face obstacles such as mosquitoes, leeches, crocodiles, or sharks.

    Why Do So Many Africans Drown?

    …[Lake] Victoria is “arguably the most dangerous stretch of water in the world in terms of fatalities per square kilometer.”

    • Replies: @Veteran Aryan
    @Reg Cæsar


    Bed-Stuy fits most of those. How are they doing?
     
    You're conflating lack of desire with lack of opportunity.

    Why Do So Many Africans Drown?
     
    In the U.S., black boys often fear swimming because it's harder for them than it is for other groups. The same density of muscle tissue that helps them run fast makes them sink fast too. Black girls don't like to get in the water because it messes up their hair. No, I'm not joking, there is a scientific study on this but I don't care enough to take the time to relocate it.

    [Lake] Victoria is “arguably the most dangerous stretch of water in the world in terms of fatalities per square kilometer
     
    If you work on a boat and won't learn to swim then Darwin despises you and wants you dead. I concur with his opinion.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Paperback Writer

    , @International Jew
    @Reg Cæsar

    Wow, despite a very large denominator, I mean that's a big lake.

    People who live near rivers, lakes and oceans may learn the basic skills to avoid getting swept by the current or drown when their canoe flips. Maybe a few will really have a need to swim far or fast (pearl divers?) But none of that will translate to swimming fast in a pool. The four competitive strokes have been optimized for the still water of a pool lane. They're impractical in open water so a guy who swims in rivers or oceans won't train at those strokes. On open water you look around to orient yourself and avoid hazards, you adjust to currents and waves that lift and rotate you. Maybe an open-water swimmer will learn a decent breast stroke, but crawl ("freestyle") and backstroke don't afford the visibility he needs and butterfly is too energy-inefficient.

  158. @Enemy of Earth
    I don't get the biathlon. I've never gone hunting in the winter on skis.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin, @Esso, @JMcG

    The traditional form of lynx hunting can be a very demanding skiing excercise. They might climb a tree so you need a firearm. I guess in the right conditions you can catch wolves too.

    Moose are somewhat easy to catch in deep crusty snow and open terrain.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    @Esso


    Moose are somewhat easy to catch in deep crusty snow and open terrain.
     
    And just do you do with it when you've easily caught a moose?

    Replies: @Gary in Gramercy

    , @Buffalo Joe
    @Esso

    Esso, hmm, I don't think you know how big moose are. I know Bullwinkle standing next to Rocky Squirrel didn't look that impressive but real moose are huge. Stay away from moose even in crusty snow.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

  159. @Buffalo Joe
    @International Jew

    IJ, coming soon to an inner city near you. Ski by shootings.

    Replies: @Gary in Gramercy

    I was going to say something like “the NFL term ‘roughing the passer’ is about to take a macabre turn,” but “ski-by shootings” is better. Good one.

    • Thanks: Buffalo Joe
  160. @AndrewR
    Today is the 70th anniversary of the death of King George VI and the accession of Elizabeth to the throne.

    Her daughter Anne competed in the 1976 Olympics as part of the British equestrian team. This isn't terribly surprising when one considers how elite of a sport equestrianism is. Maybe Prince Archie, with his mother's Bantu genes, will be the first royal to compete in Olympic track and field. Regardless, when he's going to have to take up some intensive sport for the sake of his mental health. Imagine being the child of Prince Harry AND Meghan Markle. Those children barely stand a chance in life.

    Replies: @anonymous coward, @Jake Barnes, @njguy73, @Dennis Dale, @Angharad, @Bill Jones, @Ghost of Bull Moose, @Harvey Johnson, @Reg Cæsar

    Today is the 70th anniversary of the death of King George VI and the accession of Elizabeth to the throne.

    It’s also Ronald Reagan’s birthday.

    …the first royal to compete in Olympic track and field.

    11 Royals Who Have Competed in the Olympics

  161. The biggest story in these Winter Olympics, thus far, is the 15 year old figure skater, Kamila Valieva, who is absolutely dominating women’s figure skating right now.

    She is a Volga Tatar. There’s plenty of diversity among Ice People.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @PiltdownMan

    Just what the Olympics needs-- two ROCs!

    , @OFWHAP
    @PiltdownMan

    Alina Zagitova, who won figure skating gold for Russia four years ago, is also of Tatar descent.

  162. @prosa123
    @Reg Cæsar

    Launceston, Tasmania once considered making a bid for the Winters, but mounting bids can be as strenuous as hosting the Games themselves. New Zealand, Patagonia, and Lesotho are other options.

    With the highest lowest elevation of any country, Lesotho gets snow in winter and has a small ski resort, but as far as I know its snowfalls aren't heavy or consistent enough to be suitable for all Winter Olympics events and it probably doesn't have the resources to create huge amounts of artificial snow like China has done. Nor would it be able to handle all the other enormous hosting costs.

    Replies: @sb

    I think you might be mixing up Launceston with Queenstown in New Zealand . There is some low key club skiing in Tasmania but nothing like a serious ski resort
    Australian mountains are too small for events such as the Downhill although New Zealand could do so
    The only Southern Hemisphere places that could perhaps realistically hold the Winter Games are in Chile and Argentina ( Australia lacks the big mountains and New Zealand lacks the people and large winter sports development )
    But the South American countries lack winter sport expertise and interest not to mention money.
    These days the Winter Games are shared between a largish city ( for the ice events ) and a (hopefully ) nearby well developed ski resort .
    Rather doubt any Southern Hemisphere venue would qualify

  163. @PiltdownMan
    The biggest story in these Winter Olympics, thus far, is the 15 year old figure skater, Kamila Valieva, who is absolutely dominating women's figure skating right now.

    She is a Volga Tatar. There's plenty of diversity among Ice People.

    https://i.imgur.com/IUEkZMb.jpg

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @OFWHAP

    Just what the Olympics needs– two ROCs!

  164. @jjbees
    Off topic,

    Infrequent commenter (every 2-3 years or so), but this really made me think:

    https://www.foxnews.com/us/baltimore-patterson-high-school-reading-levels-elementary

    77% of high school students (adults) reading at a kindergarten level?
    These schools have millions of dollars, and no results.

    Why are Americans so stupid? Why do we ignore the obvious?

    The United States has a serious human capital problem. As we know, human capital is largely genetic. We can continue to deny this, and shout "We need to fix education! We need to fix health care!" until we are blue in the face, when the plain truth is we need more high functioning humans and less poorly functioning ones.

    The United States has long been the home to a large "smart fraction" of highly competent leaders (I call this the "peak human capital" or "top 10 %", but "smart fraction" works just as well) in business, science, etc. and this is a good thing, but we have neglected "average" human capital.

    A large part of what makes society nice is having high average human capital, so that the average person isn't very poor, unhealthy, stupid, aggressive, criminal, etc.

    The failures we see now in crime, homelessness, drug addiction, illiteracy among schoolchildren, cities being unlivable, people being ungovernable, all stem from the same problem- the continual and accelerating decline in average human capital in the U.S.

    I haven't seen much policy from either republicans or democrats that would do the one thing that would save the united states - increase average human capital.

    Simple policy measures:

    -Close borders to countries with low IQ, low income, low standards of living, high crime, high disease burden, these are all indicators of low quality human beings you do NOT want in your country
    -Implement some sort of social policy to disincentivize low quality citizens from having children (mandatory birth control, institutionalization, etc.)
    -Incentivize high quality citizens to have children
    -Exile all criminals to foreign countries or Alaska, or ensure they don't have children, to remove future criminals from the gene pool (as we know, behavior is genetic in origin!)

    By increasing average human capital, you make the USA a nice place to live. The countries that are nice to live in have high *average* human capital - if your car breaks down you want someone to pull over and help you fix it - that's a good country - in a bad one you worry about wandering drug addict zombies seeing you vulnerable and robbing you - that's california and the west coast (and the rest of the U.S. in a few short years).

    This isn't a prediction. This is the present. We are living it. The USA is a "developing" (just a euphemism for shithole with low average human capital) country with corrupt, stupid, criminal citizens. We let them in! We let them live here! We let them have children! We pay for them to bully us and make life worse in thousands of little ways every day - and we want MORE!

    We need every sane person standing on the rooftop shouting, "THEY'RE LOOTING THE F***ING TRAINS!"

    Replies: @Lurker, @Anonymous, @Peter Akuleyev, @David Davenport

    Exile all criminals to foreign countries or Alaska, or ensure they don’t have children, to remove future criminals from the gene pool (as we know, behavior is genetic in origin!)

    If we had done that consistently in the 19th and 20th centuries, there would far, far fewer Italian, Irish and Jewish Americans in the US today.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Approximately 100,000 Irish arrived in the British colonies of N. America in the 1600s. By 1700 Irish were about 40 percent of the White population of the 13 colonies. The Irish have been in America a lot longer than the Slavs.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Clyde

    , @peterike
    @Peter Akuleyev


    If we had done that consistently in the 19th and 20th centuries, there would far, far fewer Italian, Irish and Jewish Americans in the US today.

     

    So? Sounds like all upside to me.
  165. @James Hoffman
    I was very unhappy that all of the athletes in the Parade of Nations were forced to wear masks the whole time (shout-out to the one female Iranian athlete who pulled her mask down to show her face for an extended period of time); I like to use the Olympics as an opportunity to get a glimpse of the average phenotype of various countries and ethnic groups. I like seeing what the healthiest and most genetically-fit - the perfect specimens - of these places look like. Here in the US I have very few opportunities to run into Latvians or Macedonians or Slovaks, so getting to see the smiling happy faces of beautiful women from these countries is both pleasant and educational. Just ne more thing the COVID panic stole from us!

    I also found it somewhat amusing to see how many countries sent athletes who are obviously ethnically Russian - i.e. Russian names, blond Russian phenotypes, etc. - rather than representatives of their own native ethnicities. Pretty much all of the Central Asian and Caucasian countries have been represented by members of their conquerors’ ethnicity. The situation was sort of similar with the South American countries who sent athletes; you look at the names and it’s all Germans and Italians.

    Replies: @Peter Akuleyev

    Here in the US I have very few opportunities to run into Latvians or Macedonians or Slovaks

    Just take a trip to Pittsburgh. You can’t throw a rock without hitting someone descended from immigrants from those countries.

    You are quite right about the ethnic Russians playing for the Stans. The Italian team is somewhat similar – there is always a high proportion of ethnic Germans from South Tyrol.

    • Replies: @OFWHAP
    @Peter Akuleyev

    You'll also find the occasional Dutch name amongst speed skaters from other countries.

    Replies: @James Hoffman

  166. @Chrisnonymous
    @Feryl

    Speaking of rubber necker events, why don't they just make the Winter Olympics the same events as the Summer Olympics? Cycling... on icy roads. Kayaking... by pushing yourself across frozen rivers. Long jump... onto frozen sand.

    Replies: @S. Anonyia, @Feryl

    They do make bikes tricked out for the winter, so outdoor races in the elements wouldn’t be that far fetched. But my hunch is that the IOC wants to keep distinction betweent the two seasonal Olympics. On foot Marathoning in cold weather would be interesting, how much faster would people be with overheating and dehydration significantly reduced (unless the Olympics are held on the West Coast or in NW Europe the summer heat is usually pretty nasty for runners)?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Feryl

    The Boston Marathon in mid-April is a prestigious marathon in part because it's not hot. The Kenyans use it as their Olympic qualifier. The L.A. Marathon is often pleasant, but it can be hot, so it doesn't attract as strong a field. The Berlin Marathon is in late September and is dead flat so it attracts top runners.

  167. @Alfa158
    @Graham

    That’s interesting, in the US skiing has become a rich people’s sport. Here in California a standard single day lift ticket at Mammoth Mountain costs $160 a day, Aspen in Colorado costs $200 a day. Almost no one lives near ski areas so there are lodging, food and transportation costs. Oligarchs fly in from the East Coast and Mexico and in high season the airport runs out of ramp space for parking private jets.
    The only people who can ski for cheap are the local area kids who get training from the local resort in the hope they will become competitive skiers.
    I wonder if Europe has gone the same route?

    Replies: @JimDandy, @Buffalo Joe, @Buzz Mohawk, @AnotherDad, @HOOLIGAN, @Jeff, @Peter Akuleyev, @Mike1

    In Europe, well in Austria at least, skiing is still relatively affordable. You can still ski for a day at ritzy Kitzbühel for about $70 US, (and the food is much cheaper and better. ) There are still dozens of cheaper excellent areas where you can ski for under $50, especially if you get a block of tickets. The large number of Polish and Czech skiiers I see on the slopes suggests that people with middle class US incomes are still able to afford a ski vacation. Despite that, Austrians bitch all the time about how expensive skiing has become, and they aren’t wrong relative to lower Austrian wages.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Skiing seemed pretty cheap in the U.S. in the early 1980s when I did it the most. But the environmental age slowed the expansion of ski mountain supply (e.g., Richard Lamm getting elected governor of Colorado in 1975 in opposition to the Winter Olympics in Denver).

    Similarly, in late 1973 it cost $20 to play Pebble Beach, the most famous public golf course in America, and $15 to play nearby Spyglass Hill, built in 1966, which isn't Pebble Beach but is quite a track. By 1986 it cost $60 to play Spyglass Hill and well into 3 digits to play Pebble. That was the first time I realized that greens fees could be a significant fraction of a golf vacation. By 1990, I couldn't afford to play either Pebble or Spyglass so I played the new Poppy Hills.

    Today, Pebble Beach costs $575 plus three digits for your caddy and Spyglass is $415. Poppy Hills is $275.

    Replies: @Prosa123, @Verymuchalive

  168. @Reg Cæsar

    Baseball also has lots of nasty head injuries. In fact, the highest rate of bad head injuries in youth sports, really making it the most dangerous youth sport (football is certainly rough but not that many kids get spinal paralysis or what have you). Hockey players often end up with missing teeth and for the goons there’s definitely CTE risk, and naturally you can be pile driven into the ice or boards causing brain trauma and spinal damage. Fun fact: Jack Lambert got his front teeth knocked out from an elbow to the mouth during a pick-up basketball game. All sports carry physical risks to some degree.

    • Agree: Paperback Writer
  169. @Altai
    It doesn't stop certain big countries with none of the tradition or environment from crashing the party a bit though. For example, the UK decided to make a bobsleigh team and even went to the effort of looking at the biometric data of Royal Marines to find optimal pushers etc. This resulted in them recruiting a black guy. They did this a few times, actually recruiting people in the army or elsewhere to do certain sports without that person expressing the least interest before.

    This is what people like too is that the facilities to train to the extent to become competitive often occur in odd places. So you don't get just people from big cities but people from smaller towns and villages from all over these countries. This is somewhat similar to the Summer Olympics.

    I wouldn't be surprised if there haven't been countless editorials complaining about how monolithically white Anglo-Scottish-French the Canadian delegation was. Partly because they looked so happy, relaxed and vibrant as they walked in, imagine if something that 'looked like Toronto' walked in. Almost like they were among people highly like themselves and it made them more relaxed and happy or something... And needless to say, everyone at home liked seeing 'real Canadians' too. The US too, lots of tall people of Northern European ancestry, like the great wave (Aside from Irish and Germans) didn't happen.

    It's also just aesthetically nice to watch lots of different Northern Europeans. 'European' athletics and club sports have fewer and fewer of them as time goes by.

    The other unspoken part is how all the female athletes are extremely girly and not at all butch.

    Though I'd complain about how they show certain sports like the ski jump, why can't they have a camera angle that shows the entire jump from one shot? Having a tracking shot just means I'm watching somebody in the air without being able to see the context of their progress or parabola. (Though this is a complaint I have for many sports where camera angles are too tight and obscure necessary context of the whole field)

    Replies: @Feryl, @JMcG, @Canadian Observer, @AnotherDad, @Anonymous, @anon

    The Bobsleigh was invented by Englishmen…
    How can you crash your own party?

  170. @Buzz Mohawk
    @AnotherDad

    Indeed, Dad, they are very, very fit, and that is why you enjoy looking at them. I posit the thought that "the girls" in figure skating are actually participating in a sporting competition that even we old White creeps here would agree is appropriate athletic competition for young women. It is a beautiful thing, and it requires real fitness and endless hours, days and months of practice. The result is athletic, female art.


    https://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=%2Fphoto%2F2018%2F0105%2Fr310728_1296x729_16-9.jpg

    Replies: @SafeNow, @The Wild Geese Howard, @nokangaroos

    Tukhtamysheva famously endeavoured to combine it with stripping but
    despite greatly increased popularity it didn´t catch on 😀

  171. @Enemy of Earth
    I don't get the biathlon. I've never gone hunting in the winter on skis.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin, @Esso, @JMcG

    The Finnish Army certainly did. During the Winter War and the Continuation War.

    • Agree: Buffalo Joe
  172. @mmack
    @Steve Sailer

    Yes sir.

    They ran the first half, stopped the race, pulled the cars in the pits, did two songs with Ice-T, and restarted the second half.

    Couldn’t believe it either.

    Thank goodness I’m an IndyCar fan. 😏

    Replies: @JMcG

    I was told once that the only two sporting events that couldn’t be bet in Vegas were Professional wrestling and Nascar. Seems about right to me. One of those stories that’s too good to check.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @JMcG

    Some people do bet on professional wrestling. It sounds weird, but it's like betting on the plot twist in the next superhero movie ... when you think about it, it seems pretty interesting: can you outsmart really creative script writers?

    In general, I'm pro pro wrestling. Fighting is fun to watch, but it's too violent, so fake fighting is a good solution.

    Replies: @JMcG, @OFWHAP, @Feryl

    , @Brutusale
    @JMcG

    https://www.foxbet.com/NASCAR/?no_redirect=1

  173. @Joe Stalin
    @Enemy of Earth


    I don’t get the biathlon. I’ve never gone hunting in the winter on skis.
     

    The modern biathlon is a civilian variant of the old military combined exercise.[2] In Norway, the biathlon was until 1984 a branch of Det frivillige Skyttervesen, an organization set up by the government to promote civilian marksmanship in support of national defence. In Norwegian, the biathlon is called skiskyting (literally ski shooting).[3] In Norway there are still separate contests in skifeltskyting, a cross-country race at 12 km with large-caliber rifle shooting at various targets with unknown range.[4]

    Called military patrol, the combination of skiing and shooting was contested at the Winter Olympic Games in 1924, and then demonstrated in 1928, 1936, and 1948, during which time Norway and Finland were strong competitors. In 1948, the sport was reorganized under the Union Internationale de Pentathlon Moderne et Biathlon and became re-accepted as an Olympic sport in 1955,[5] with widespread popularity within the Soviet and Swedish winter sport circuits.[6][7]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biathlon
     
    So, not civilian but military roots.

    Finnish shooting match fun.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyUy_EFovXA

    Replies: @JMcG

    I cannot stand that guy from Forgotten Weapons. Total soy boy running around in army clothes LARPing. He’s knowledgeable, I’ll give him that, I just can’t abide his affectations.

  174. @Peter Akuleyev
    @Alfa158

    In Europe, well in Austria at least, skiing is still relatively affordable. You can still ski for a day at ritzy Kitzbühel for about $70 US, (and the food is much cheaper and better. ) There are still dozens of cheaper excellent areas where you can ski for under $50, especially if you get a block of tickets. The large number of Polish and Czech skiiers I see on the slopes suggests that people with middle class US incomes are still able to afford a ski vacation. Despite that, Austrians bitch all the time about how expensive skiing has become, and they aren't wrong relative to lower Austrian wages.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Skiing seemed pretty cheap in the U.S. in the early 1980s when I did it the most. But the environmental age slowed the expansion of ski mountain supply (e.g., Richard Lamm getting elected governor of Colorado in 1975 in opposition to the Winter Olympics in Denver).

    Similarly, in late 1973 it cost $20 to play Pebble Beach, the most famous public golf course in America, and $15 to play nearby Spyglass Hill, built in 1966, which isn’t Pebble Beach but is quite a track. By 1986 it cost $60 to play Spyglass Hill and well into 3 digits to play Pebble. That was the first time I realized that greens fees could be a significant fraction of a golf vacation. By 1990, I couldn’t afford to play either Pebble or Spyglass so I played the new Poppy Hills.

    Today, Pebble Beach costs $575 plus three digits for your caddy and Spyglass is $415. Poppy Hills is $275.

    • Replies: @Prosa123
    @Steve Sailer

    It may be expensive to play at Pebble Beach but at least it's possible. So many of the top courses are private clubs

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    , @Verymuchalive
    @Steve Sailer

    I think I can Trump your story ( with or without Donald )
    In the 1970s, I played a James Braid designed course, as a junior. It is and was a very unusual inland and upland links course. ( Maestro Steve, you know James Braid ) It cost me 15p ! ( £1.34 at today's prices )

  175. @AnotherDad
    @Alfa158


    That’s interesting, in the US skiing has become a rich people’s sport. Here in California a standard single day lift ticket at Mammoth Mountain costs $160 a day, Aspen in Colorado costs $200 a day.
     
    It's crazy what's happened. Even in the 90s, I can remember $10 Monday tickets at Steven's Pass (US 2 east of Seattle). Lift tickets have seen about a 10x runup since 1980. (And well above inflation these last couple Fauci years have been crazy as people want to get outside.)

    Contrast with air travel which has a higher labor input per customer (a couple high skill, well paid), higher energy input and higher capital cost per customer. That have in that time frame put in the high speed lifts, but that gets amortized over a long period. My guess is basically, there's a lack of competition. A lot of geographic "lock in". (If i drilled into it, i'd probably argue the FS leases are too cheap relative to lift prices, and resorts themselves are collecting some of the available land rent.) And there's been tremendous consolidation. There are now only a few actual owners--Aspen, Vail, then i think Powdr probably a couple mid-sized others i've never heard of.

    Replies: @Peter Akuleyev

    Insurance is a big factor in ticket prices in the US – liability risk is much lower in Europe.

    Skiing has also been damaged by global warming – the massive investment in snowmaking infrastructure and shorter seasons have increased costs and reduced profitability.

    Otoh, investments in infrastructure have dramatically improved the experience. When I was a kid in New England the lift tickets were cheap, but waiting 25 minutes to ride a slow creaky lift was part of the experience. Now most decent areas have high speed lifts, long waits are very uncommon and the trails tend to be better groomed. So in terms of minutes actually spent physically skiing/dollar spent I suspect prices have not risen as high as they seem on their face.

  176. @Feryl
    @Chrisnonymous

    They do make bikes tricked out for the winter, so outdoor races in the elements wouldn't be that far fetched. But my hunch is that the IOC wants to keep distinction betweent the two seasonal Olympics. On foot Marathoning in cold weather would be interesting, how much faster would people be with overheating and dehydration significantly reduced (unless the Olympics are held on the West Coast or in NW Europe the summer heat is usually pretty nasty for runners)?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    The Boston Marathon in mid-April is a prestigious marathon in part because it’s not hot. The Kenyans use it as their Olympic qualifier. The L.A. Marathon is often pleasant, but it can be hot, so it doesn’t attract as strong a field. The Berlin Marathon is in late September and is dead flat so it attracts top runners.

  177. @JMcG
    @mmack

    I was told once that the only two sporting events that couldn’t be bet in Vegas were Professional wrestling and Nascar. Seems about right to me. One of those stories that’s too good to check.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Brutusale

    Some people do bet on professional wrestling. It sounds weird, but it’s like betting on the plot twist in the next superhero movie … when you think about it, it seems pretty interesting: can you outsmart really creative script writers?

    In general, I’m pro pro wrestling. Fighting is fun to watch, but it’s too violent, so fake fighting is a good solution.

    • Agree: JMcG
    • Replies: @JMcG
    @Steve Sailer

    One problem is that little kids might not know it’s fake. I had no idea the damage I would do by breaking a dining room chair over my little brother’s coconut. Turns out they don’t have stores for odd chairs like they do for odd pieces of wedding china.

    , @OFWHAP
    @Steve Sailer

    Sometimes things are not always what they seem in professional wrestling. One example is the Montreal Screw Job, which occurred in 1997. Bret "The Hitman" Hart was getting ready to leave the WWF for WCW but he was still the WWF champ. This presented a problem for Vince McMahon because he didn't want to have Bret Hart take his WWF title belt to WCW and possibly defile the belt on national TV. McMahon was hoping that he could have Shawn Michaels win the title from Hart at the 1997 Survivor Series, which took place in Montreal. However that scenario didn't work for Hart because 1) he's Canadian and 2) he HATED Shawn Michaels and refused to lose the title to him.

    McMahon compromised and decided that Michaels would win via disqualification i.e. the title wouldn't change hands, and that Hart would turn in the title before leaving for WCW. Fast forward through a lot of other details, but Shawn Michaels puts Bret Hart in a submission move; Vince McMahon yells at someone to ring the bell; everyone seems completely shocked at what had happened. In the locker room following the match, Bret Hart demanded to know whether Shawn Michaels knew what would happen, and Michaels vehemently denied several times. Bret Hart also confronted McMahon and actually punched and injured him.

    I'm not sure exactly who all knew about this outcome beforehand, but it could have been a little spontaneity from McMahon.

    , @Feryl
    @Steve Sailer

    The pressure to meet modern attention spans though has led to far more moves per match, increasing the rate of injuries. Before about 1995, wrestlers tended to do a lot of stalling, staredowns, extended holds, etc., in order to protect their health. And then combine the increased injuries with painkillers and booze, and you end up with a lot of prematurely broken and dead people.

  178. @Buffalo Joe
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Buzz, two words...Katarina Witt. Someone please post her photo.

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein, @Ralph L, @Brutusale


    Lest we forget, she did pose for Playboy. NSFW–does that mean anything anymore?

    Back during the 1994 Olympics, my ex and I had a party the night of the ladies figure skating finals (the Kerrigan-Harding Olympics). My single friend Danny almost got himself banned for life by the wives when Witt, the final skater of the night for the last performance of her career, came to center ice. “Sorry, she should get 2/10 of a point just for lugging those breasts through the whole routine!”

    Google the “Katarina Rule”. Which is why her competition used to call her “Honaker’s Whore”.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Brutusale


    NSFW–does that mean anything anymore?
     
    By the standards of the Current Year your final image of Katarina is basically fine art B&W photography.

    Replies: @Brutusale

    , @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
    @Brutusale

    I must say that this is quite the improvement over my recollection of the typical East German "female" athlete.

    A few years ago there was a documentary on the doping of the East German women - as you would expect many were drugged (evidently unwittingly) from their youths with anabolic steroids. One such female shot putter later "became" a man and married an East German female swimmer.

    Replies: @anon, @Brutusale

    , @Buffalo Joe
    @Brutusale

    Brutus, thank you. Katarina is how I picture some of our lady commentors here at iSteve. Stay safe.

  179. @JMcG
    @mmack

    I was told once that the only two sporting events that couldn’t be bet in Vegas were Professional wrestling and Nascar. Seems about right to me. One of those stories that’s too good to check.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Brutusale

    • LOL: JMcG
  180. Is that how one avoids moderation on this blog?

  181. I like the weird sports in the Winter Olympics, too — at roughly the frequency that we get them. The only part I hate is where we pretend that these are world-class athletes, rather than good athletes that happen to have intensively practiced an obscure game.

    There’s nothing wrong with that, so why do we lie about it? Well, we lie about everything, so I guess why not.

  182. JMcG says:
    @Steve Sailer
    @JMcG

    Some people do bet on professional wrestling. It sounds weird, but it's like betting on the plot twist in the next superhero movie ... when you think about it, it seems pretty interesting: can you outsmart really creative script writers?

    In general, I'm pro pro wrestling. Fighting is fun to watch, but it's too violent, so fake fighting is a good solution.

    Replies: @JMcG, @OFWHAP, @Feryl

    One problem is that little kids might not know it’s fake. I had no idea the damage I would do by breaking a dining room chair over my little brother’s coconut. Turns out they don’t have stores for odd chairs like they do for odd pieces of wedding china.

  183. @PiltdownMan
    The biggest story in these Winter Olympics, thus far, is the 15 year old figure skater, Kamila Valieva, who is absolutely dominating women's figure skating right now.

    She is a Volga Tatar. There's plenty of diversity among Ice People.

    https://i.imgur.com/IUEkZMb.jpg

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @OFWHAP

    Alina Zagitova, who won figure skating gold for Russia four years ago, is also of Tatar descent.

  184. @Peter Akuleyev
    @James Hoffman


    Here in the US I have very few opportunities to run into Latvians or Macedonians or Slovaks
     
    Just take a trip to Pittsburgh. You can't throw a rock without hitting someone descended from immigrants from those countries.

    You are quite right about the ethnic Russians playing for the Stans. The Italian team is somewhat similar - there is always a high proportion of ethnic Germans from South Tyrol.

    Replies: @OFWHAP

    You’ll also find the occasional Dutch name amongst speed skaters from other countries.

    • Replies: @James Hoffman
    @OFWHAP

    I was commenting on that last night with my family! The Swedish guy who won gold and set a speed skating record was named “Nils van der Poel”, and the Canadian guy was “Ted-Jan Bloemen”. The ethnically Dutch really are to speed skating what that one Kenyan/Burundian tribe is to marathon running.

  185. I simply enjoy watching events where I don’t need to see any 3rd-worlders. The European womens skiiers and skaters are lovely.

  186. @Esso
    @Enemy of Earth

    The traditional form of lynx hunting can be a very demanding skiing excercise. They might climb a tree so you need a firearm. I guess in the right conditions you can catch wolves too.

    Moose are somewhat easy to catch in deep crusty snow and open terrain.

    Replies: @Bill Jones, @Buffalo Joe

    Moose are somewhat easy to catch in deep crusty snow and open terrain.

    And just do you do with it when you’ve easily caught a moose?

    • Replies: @Gary in Gramercy
    @Bill Jones

    Make sure it's dead before you strap it onto your car's fender and drive back home. (Thanks, Woody.)

  187. @Steve Sailer
    @JMcG

    Some people do bet on professional wrestling. It sounds weird, but it's like betting on the plot twist in the next superhero movie ... when you think about it, it seems pretty interesting: can you outsmart really creative script writers?

    In general, I'm pro pro wrestling. Fighting is fun to watch, but it's too violent, so fake fighting is a good solution.

    Replies: @JMcG, @OFWHAP, @Feryl

    Sometimes things are not always what they seem in professional wrestling. One example is the Montreal Screw Job, which occurred in 1997. Bret “The Hitman” Hart was getting ready to leave the WWF for WCW but he was still the WWF champ. This presented a problem for Vince McMahon because he didn’t want to have Bret Hart take his WWF title belt to WCW and possibly defile the belt on national TV. McMahon was hoping that he could have Shawn Michaels win the title from Hart at the 1997 Survivor Series, which took place in Montreal. However that scenario didn’t work for Hart because 1) he’s Canadian and 2) he HATED Shawn Michaels and refused to lose the title to him.

    McMahon compromised and decided that Michaels would win via disqualification i.e. the title wouldn’t change hands, and that Hart would turn in the title before leaving for WCW. Fast forward through a lot of other details, but Shawn Michaels puts Bret Hart in a submission move; Vince McMahon yells at someone to ring the bell; everyone seems completely shocked at what had happened. In the locker room following the match, Bret Hart demanded to know whether Shawn Michaels knew what would happen, and Michaels vehemently denied several times. Bret Hart also confronted McMahon and actually punched and injured him.

    I’m not sure exactly who all knew about this outcome beforehand, but it could have been a little spontaneity from McMahon.

  188. @duncsbaby
    @E. Rekshun

    “tech savvy”? - Possibly Asian?

    Replies: @Coemgen

    Calling someone “savvy” is rather aggrandizing. So, probably not Asian and definitely not European.

  189. @J1234
    Maybe the Olympic games should be re-categorized as the Subarctic Olympics and the Equatorial Olympics. It's not entirely accurate, but "winter" and "summer" seem even less so.

    I can't watch the Olympics...and it's due entirely to the commercials. Nauseating. I think that's where wokeness in the corporate world started. Olympics commercials.

    Replies: @Mike_from_SGV

    I stopped watching TV entirely because of the commercials. The kind of woke crap that they shoehorn into commercials is as off-putting as sitting through a Scientology lecture.

  190. @Bardon Kaldian
    Why affluent families etc.?

    Since I don't see irony here, I can only say that the WO have been dominated, mostly, by "Northern" peoples in all areas- hockey, skiing, biathlon ...

    Most medals belong to a bunch of Scandinavians.

    Replies: @Jeff, @Anonymous, @Magic Dirt Resident

    Why affluent families etc.?

    Because winter sports like skiing are very expensive and only affluent families can afford the time and monetary investment.

  191. @AnotherDad
    @Altai


    It’s also just aesthetically nice to watch lots of different Northern Europeans.
     
    Spot on Altai.

    Normal white people--well the normally fit ones, fats and tats need not apply--being normal is just ... pleasant to see.

    I wasn't even particularly persnickety up about this. My own friends are a variety of hues. (I appreciate folks for who they are, how they behave, what ideas they hold, what sort of person they are--there for me when I need them?)

    But after the last few years of having blacks--and black dysfunction!--jammed in my face as normative, I'm developing a high antibody response. And I really appreciate not having my face rubbed in it and being able to see my normality.

    Replies: @Feryl, @Paperback Writer, @Mike_from_SGV

    “But after the last few years of having blacks … –jammed in my face as normative, I’m developing a high antibody response”.
    .
    For the last 2 or 3 months, whenever I connect to my brokerage web page, the screen shows a picture of a black. Probably 0.5% of the brokerage clients are black. Hey brokerage, stop shoving this crap in my face. I’ve started to move the window halfway of the screen so that I don’t have to see the ugly mug.

  192. anon[399] • Disclaimer says:

    It’s nice to watch a sporting event where we are not forced by NBC to worship Black gods and goddesses with attitudes.

    And I love that Russia is now dominating figure skating. Their male skaters — even the ice dancers — actually look like males, unlike the emaciated, effeminate male skaters of the West and Asia. And how about those Russian female skaters? Whipping out quad-triples like they’re yesterday’s triple-doubles, and they are artistic and gorgeous. Meanwhile the Americans and Asians could barely eke out a triple-double. Here’s hoping Russia sweeps the women’s podium.
    https://www.rbth.com/lifestyle/334571-meet-russian-figure-skaters-of-2022-winter-olympics

    That is such B.S. that they still can’t compete as Russian athletes under the Russian flag.

    Go Russia!

    • Replies: @anon
    @anon

    Kamila Valieva is Turkish from southern Russia

    Replies: @PiltdownMan

  193. @Feryl
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Other than Snow cross (which is a race), snowboarding should be jettisoned. As should skateboarding in the Summer Olympics. "Trick" oriented events for Snowboarding and Skateboarding are tedious, unless you do this stuff as a hobby or something (which 99.9% of people older than 25 don't). I don't really understand why they don't try a skateboard race which would be a lot more exciting and have a rubber necker factor like snow cross and many of the cyclist and skiing events.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @zoos

    I think female skateboard downhill racing would be a viewer draw, as long as their professional attire required shorts:

    • Replies: @duncsbaby
    @zoos

    That was a great video. To be honest there isn't much T & A, just a smooth 4 minutes of two skateboarders careening down a steep, winding hill at great speed. Very cool. I looked it up and as far as I can tell the Maryhill Freeride is held in southern Washington by the Columbia River Gorge.

  194. @OFWHAP
    @Peter Akuleyev

    You'll also find the occasional Dutch name amongst speed skaters from other countries.

    Replies: @James Hoffman

    I was commenting on that last night with my family! The Swedish guy who won gold and set a speed skating record was named “Nils van der Poel”, and the Canadian guy was “Ted-Jan Bloemen”. The ethnically Dutch really are to speed skating what that one Kenyan/Burundian tribe is to marathon running.

  195. https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-features/bill-murray-viral-no-look-putt-pebble-beach-pro-am-1235087811/

  196. @Barnard
    The Winter Olympics is a big deal in Minnesota which is usually near the top of the states with the most participants. It looks like Colorado is ahead of them this year though. Sometimes these are just kids who like playing outdoor sports. Lindsey Vonn grew up skiing on the hill you see right off I-35 south of the Twin Cities metro area.

    Replies: @Mike1

    Calling Buck Hill “skiing” is funny to those of us that live in real ski areas. Racing is dominated by those that grow up with awful ski conditions and obsessive parents.

    If you live where the snow is good you just ski.

  197. @Brutusale
    @Buffalo Joe

    https://i.pinimg.com/736x/cb/02/58/cb0258cd6a1f93e95d5b30a0d2acf03f.jpg

    Lest we forget, she did pose for Playboy. NSFW--does that mean anything anymore?

    https://thefappeningblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Katarina-Witt-Nude-TheFappeningBlog.com-1.jpg

    Back during the 1994 Olympics, my ex and I had a party the night of the ladies figure skating finals (the Kerrigan-Harding Olympics). My single friend Danny almost got himself banned for life by the wives when Witt, the final skater of the night for the last performance of her career, came to center ice. "Sorry, she should get 2/10 of a point just for lugging those breasts through the whole routine!"

    Google the "Katarina Rule". Which is why her competition used to call her "Honaker's Whore".

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @Buffalo Joe

    NSFW–does that mean anything anymore?

    By the standards of the Current Year your final image of Katarina is basically fine art B&W photography.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    @The Wild Geese Howard

    I thought twice about posting a nude, but had the same thought. This photo reminded me of the quote from the coroner in the True Blood series when he was bagging and tagging a pulchritudinous lass dead before her time: Great job, God!

    Body by God, but she did a Hell of a job maintaining it.

  198. @Alfa158
    @Graham

    That’s interesting, in the US skiing has become a rich people’s sport. Here in California a standard single day lift ticket at Mammoth Mountain costs $160 a day, Aspen in Colorado costs $200 a day. Almost no one lives near ski areas so there are lodging, food and transportation costs. Oligarchs fly in from the East Coast and Mexico and in high season the airport runs out of ramp space for parking private jets.
    The only people who can ski for cheap are the local area kids who get training from the local resort in the hope they will become competitive skiers.
    I wonder if Europe has gone the same route?

    Replies: @JimDandy, @Buffalo Joe, @Buzz Mohawk, @AnotherDad, @HOOLIGAN, @Jeff, @Peter Akuleyev, @Mike1

    “The only people who can ski for cheap are the local area kids who get training from the local resort in the hope they will become competitive skiers.”

    Would be nice but not true. Resorts could not care less if good skiers come from their areas and are actively hostile to locals. Local ski programs exist but they are, without exception, strictly babysitting. The kids barely ski.

    • Agree: Alden
  199. Anonymous[207] • Disclaimer says:

    I suspect that all fighting contests eventually come to be rigged. It’s to everybody’s advantage:

    Most ‘real’ fights are over in seconds. Not entertaining. Bad for business.

    Real fights are dangerous. Serious career-ending injury is always a possibility. Bad for the fighter, bad for whoever invested in the fighter’s training.

    The fighters, the promoters, the venue owners, the broadcasters, all have an interest in rigging fights.

    When all the principals have an interest in committing fraud, you should expect fraud.

  200. Remember Bryant Gumbel snarking that the Winter Olympics athletes couldn’t be the best in the world, because there were no blacks?

  201. @Steve Sailer
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Skiing seemed pretty cheap in the U.S. in the early 1980s when I did it the most. But the environmental age slowed the expansion of ski mountain supply (e.g., Richard Lamm getting elected governor of Colorado in 1975 in opposition to the Winter Olympics in Denver).

    Similarly, in late 1973 it cost $20 to play Pebble Beach, the most famous public golf course in America, and $15 to play nearby Spyglass Hill, built in 1966, which isn't Pebble Beach but is quite a track. By 1986 it cost $60 to play Spyglass Hill and well into 3 digits to play Pebble. That was the first time I realized that greens fees could be a significant fraction of a golf vacation. By 1990, I couldn't afford to play either Pebble or Spyglass so I played the new Poppy Hills.

    Today, Pebble Beach costs $575 plus three digits for your caddy and Spyglass is $415. Poppy Hills is $275.

    Replies: @Prosa123, @Verymuchalive

    It may be expensive to play at Pebble Beach but at least it’s possible. So many of the top courses are private clubs

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @Prosa123

    "So many of the top courses are private clubs"

    That's the great thing about Scotland. My cousin used to take a week off every year to do some of the great Scottish courses. Places like the Old Course at St Andrews are popular enough that there's a ballot to choose who plays, in which there are allocated slots for members but also open slots for anyone who puts their name in.

    https://www.visitscotland.com/see-do/active/golf/famous-tournament-courses/

  202. @Bill Jones
    @Esso


    Moose are somewhat easy to catch in deep crusty snow and open terrain.
     
    And just do you do with it when you've easily caught a moose?

    Replies: @Gary in Gramercy

    Make sure it’s dead before you strap it onto your car’s fender and drive back home. (Thanks, Woody.)

  203. My favorite:

    • Winter “Olympic moment” was when Kerrigan got kneecapped. Wahhhh!

    • Summer OM was Smith & Carlos in ’68. If only Roseanne had been there to sing the NA.

    When the Olympics moves to Palestine, the added sport of Blowing Up People will guarantee a medal for the Arabs. When it returns to the US, our trannies are going to dominate the women’s events; that I’ll watch.

    The comments about the high cost of ski lift tickets reminded me that the government needs to sell off its (enormous) holdings of [mountain] lands. Break the skiing cartel; and the natural resources cartels, etc. Also, no more of these [ski area] liability suits (ski at your own risk). Break the legal cartel. (The last I heard, European ski areas don’t infantilize their customers. Trail map? There’s the mountain. Point your skis in the downhill direction. Al vita zein.)

  204. @Wilkey

    That’s interesting, in the US skiing has become a rich people’s sport. Here in California a standard single day lift ticket at Mammoth Mountain costs $160 a day, Aspen in Colorado costs $200 a day.
     
    Those prices are designed to take advantage of rich tourists and the well-off local who only goes once or twice a year, often when family comes to town. If you ski enough your average daily cost is substantially less with an annual pass.

    That model is pretty standard for everything from your local aquarium or zoo to Disneyland. Disneyland charges well over $100 now for a single day, but their annual passes are cheaper, and the annual passes for locals are (or were) ridiculously cheap.

    The cost of a year's skiing isn't much more than the cost of a quick vacation. The cost of a year's skiing for a family isn't much more than the cost of a trip to Disneyland. And the physical exercise can't be beat. My son isn't the most athletic of boys, but the impact on his fitness level from going once a week has been noticeable. It's done far more for him than another trip to Disneyland could ever do.

    Replies: @RadicalCenter

    Most families can’t afford that “quick vacation” and can’t even consider annual passes for disneyland and other SoCal attractions. They’re just not families that you may personally know or socialize with.

    Those attractions’ annual passes are NOT at all affordable for most people, nor are annual ski passes. Millions of people just in CA are having trouble affording decent housing and vehicle and now groceries.

    Living in a bubble detached from the reality of most Americans’ lives. The great bargain that supposedly are annual passes would elicit bitter laughter from people worried about being evicted, foreclosed, and/or losing their vehicles. That is a large and growing proportion of the population, and not just here in SoCal.

    • Agree: Alden
    • Replies: @Wilkey
    @RadicalCenter


    Living in a bubble detached from the reality of most Americans’ lives.
     
    You're living in a bubble making assumptions about what I think or assume.

    I am well aware that such excursions are out of reach for a large % of the population. But they are also well within reach for a large % of the population, not just the top 1% or even 10%.
  205. @Paperback Writer
    @AnotherDad


    But after the last few years of having blacks–and black dysfunction!–jammed in my face as normative, I’m developing a high antibody response. And I really appreciate not having my face rubbed in it and being able to see my normality.
     
    Yes, exactly. I've been reduced to watching educational TV which has a lot of British imports. This has been mentioned repeatedly but again: why must there be a black character is every story, including the ones that take place in the 19th century? Those used to be the most entertaining British imports because they really did up the costumes and rubbed your face in white dysfunction, which the British make, in their gift for theatricality, entertaining - Cockneys and upper class gents, etc. The contrast. Now everything has a black character. I'm not exaggerating. I just turn off in disgust. When will it end?

    Replies: @RadicalCenter, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @Reg Cæsar

    Are you still paying the corporations who push this garbage? If so, please, cancel the TV “Service” already. They don’t care if you “turn it off” when you’re still giving them your money every month.

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @RadicalCenter

    I wrote:

    "I've been reduced to watching educational TV."

    I thought that was self-explanatory: no I do not pay for cable. Nor do I watch network TV. Educational TV has a lot of British imports.

    What about this is unclear?

  206. @Reg Cæsar
    @Veteran Aryan



    How many people outside the first world have a chance to discover their innate talent for swimming?
     
    Only those fortunate few who happen to live next to the ocean, a sea, a lake, a pond, a river, or a swimming pool.
     
    Bed-Stuy fits most of those. How are they doing?

    Still, many of these "fortunate few" face obstacles such as mosquitoes, leeches, crocodiles, or sharks.


    Why Do So Many Africans Drown?


    ...[Lake] Victoria is "arguably the most dangerous stretch of water in the world in terms of fatalities per square kilometer."
     

    Replies: @Veteran Aryan, @International Jew

    Bed-Stuy fits most of those. How are they doing?

    You’re conflating lack of desire with lack of opportunity.

    Why Do So Many Africans Drown?

    In the U.S., black boys often fear swimming because it’s harder for them than it is for other groups. The same density of muscle tissue that helps them run fast makes them sink fast too. Black girls don’t like to get in the water because it messes up their hair. No, I’m not joking, there is a scientific study on this but I don’t care enough to take the time to relocate it.

    [Lake] Victoria is “arguably the most dangerous stretch of water in the world in terms of fatalities per square kilometer

    If you work on a boat and won’t learn to swim then Darwin despises you and wants you dead. I concur with his opinion.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Veteran Aryan


    In the U.S., black boys often fear swimming because it’s harder for them than it is for other groups. The same density of muscle tissue that helps them run fast makes them sink fast too.
     
    I have the same problem, even though I'm 100% NW European according to the DNA test. (Disappointing; I was hoping for a trace of aboriginal or maybe Sephardic. But the Mrs has a drop or two of Finn, so the kids are multiracial.)

    Coast Guard basic requires a swim test to complete. At the beginning, I could only do half the length, and was put into remedial class. Blacks were 5% or maybe 10% of the entire service, but an overwhelming majority of the class, many of whom didn't know the first thing. Our first liberty came after a month, but the remedials couldn't go. I got up to speed in time, but most of the brothas didn't, and didn't seem to care. It was a social event for them, and they weren't in any hurry to go to the piers at Wildwood, a smaller, cleaner, whiter Atlantic City. (I sure was.)

    The Coast Guard made sure every recruit's teeth were up to snuff before graduation. Perhaps these guys were in it for the free dental care, and expected to be released shortly thereafter.
    , @Paperback Writer
    @Veteran Aryan

    I don't buy the muscle density theory. Dense muscles should help them power through the water. Compensation.

    She hasn't done badly:

    https://usopm.org/simone-manuel-became-the-first-black-female-swimmer-to-win-individual-olympic-gold/

    That is, until she and her kind take over.

    https://pennathletics.com/sports/womens-swimming-and-diving/roster/lia-thomas/19456

  207. @Reg Cæsar
    @Veteran Aryan



    How many people outside the first world have a chance to discover their innate talent for swimming?
     
    Only those fortunate few who happen to live next to the ocean, a sea, a lake, a pond, a river, or a swimming pool.
     
    Bed-Stuy fits most of those. How are they doing?

    Still, many of these "fortunate few" face obstacles such as mosquitoes, leeches, crocodiles, or sharks.


    Why Do So Many Africans Drown?


    ...[Lake] Victoria is "arguably the most dangerous stretch of water in the world in terms of fatalities per square kilometer."
     

    Replies: @Veteran Aryan, @International Jew

    Wow, despite a very large denominator, I mean that’s a big lake.

    People who live near rivers, lakes and oceans may learn the basic skills to avoid getting swept by the current or drown when their canoe flips. Maybe a few will really have a need to swim far or fast (pearl divers?) But none of that will translate to swimming fast in a pool. The four competitive strokes have been optimized for the still water of a pool lane. They’re impractical in open water so a guy who swims in rivers or oceans won’t train at those strokes. On open water you look around to orient yourself and avoid hazards, you adjust to currents and waves that lift and rotate you. Maybe an open-water swimmer will learn a decent breast stroke, but crawl (“freestyle”) and backstroke don’t afford the visibility he needs and butterfly is too energy-inefficient.

    • Agree: Paperback Writer
  208. @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Brutusale


    NSFW–does that mean anything anymore?
     
    By the standards of the Current Year your final image of Katarina is basically fine art B&W photography.

    Replies: @Brutusale

    I thought twice about posting a nude, but had the same thought. This photo reminded me of the quote from the coroner in the True Blood series when he was bagging and tagging a pulchritudinous lass dead before her time: Great job, God!

    Body by God, but she did a Hell of a job maintaining it.

    • Agree: nokangaroos
  209. anon[375] • Disclaimer says:
    @Altai
    It doesn't stop certain big countries with none of the tradition or environment from crashing the party a bit though. For example, the UK decided to make a bobsleigh team and even went to the effort of looking at the biometric data of Royal Marines to find optimal pushers etc. This resulted in them recruiting a black guy. They did this a few times, actually recruiting people in the army or elsewhere to do certain sports without that person expressing the least interest before.

    This is what people like too is that the facilities to train to the extent to become competitive often occur in odd places. So you don't get just people from big cities but people from smaller towns and villages from all over these countries. This is somewhat similar to the Summer Olympics.

    I wouldn't be surprised if there haven't been countless editorials complaining about how monolithically white Anglo-Scottish-French the Canadian delegation was. Partly because they looked so happy, relaxed and vibrant as they walked in, imagine if something that 'looked like Toronto' walked in. Almost like they were among people highly like themselves and it made them more relaxed and happy or something... And needless to say, everyone at home liked seeing 'real Canadians' too. The US too, lots of tall people of Northern European ancestry, like the great wave (Aside from Irish and Germans) didn't happen.

    It's also just aesthetically nice to watch lots of different Northern Europeans. 'European' athletics and club sports have fewer and fewer of them as time goes by.

    The other unspoken part is how all the female athletes are extremely girly and not at all butch.

    Though I'd complain about how they show certain sports like the ski jump, why can't they have a camera angle that shows the entire jump from one shot? Having a tracking shot just means I'm watching somebody in the air without being able to see the context of their progress or parabola. (Though this is a complaint I have for many sports where camera angles are too tight and obscure necessary context of the whole field)

    Replies: @Feryl, @JMcG, @Canadian Observer, @AnotherDad, @Anonymous, @anon

    I

    wouldn’t be surprised if there haven’t been countless editorials complaining about how monolithically white Anglo-Scottish-French the Canadian delegation was. Partly because they looked so happy, relaxed and vibrant as they walked in, imagine if something that ‘looked like Toronto’ walked in. Almost like they were among people highly like themselves and it made them more relaxed and happy or something… And needless to say, everyone at home liked seeing ‘real Canadians’ too

    I was living in Vancouver in 2010. I had been there over a decade and never felt like I was living in Canada, more like an Asian colony. I certainly realized this during the Olympics with all the focus on on Canadian athletes. This is Canada I grew up in.

  210. @Steve Sailer
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Skiing seemed pretty cheap in the U.S. in the early 1980s when I did it the most. But the environmental age slowed the expansion of ski mountain supply (e.g., Richard Lamm getting elected governor of Colorado in 1975 in opposition to the Winter Olympics in Denver).

    Similarly, in late 1973 it cost $20 to play Pebble Beach, the most famous public golf course in America, and $15 to play nearby Spyglass Hill, built in 1966, which isn't Pebble Beach but is quite a track. By 1986 it cost $60 to play Spyglass Hill and well into 3 digits to play Pebble. That was the first time I realized that greens fees could be a significant fraction of a golf vacation. By 1990, I couldn't afford to play either Pebble or Spyglass so I played the new Poppy Hills.

    Today, Pebble Beach costs $575 plus three digits for your caddy and Spyglass is $415. Poppy Hills is $275.

    Replies: @Prosa123, @Verymuchalive

    I think I can Trump your story ( with or without Donald )
    In the 1970s, I played a James Braid designed course, as a junior. It is and was a very unusual inland and upland links course. ( Maestro Steve, you know James Braid ) It cost me 15p ! ( £1.34 at today’s prices )

  211. @anon
    It's nice to watch a sporting event where we are not forced by NBC to worship Black gods and goddesses with attitudes.

    And I love that Russia is now dominating figure skating. Their male skaters -- even the ice dancers -- actually look like males, unlike the emaciated, effeminate male skaters of the West and Asia. And how about those Russian female skaters? Whipping out quad-triples like they're yesterday's triple-doubles, and they are artistic and gorgeous. Meanwhile the Americans and Asians could barely eke out a triple-double. Here's hoping Russia sweeps the women's podium.
    https://www.rbth.com/lifestyle/334571-meet-russian-figure-skaters-of-2022-winter-olympics

    That is such B.S. that they still can't compete as Russian athletes under the Russian flag.

    Go Russia!

    Replies: @anon

    Kamila Valieva is Turkish from southern Russia

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
    @anon

    She is an ethnic Volga Tatar from Kazan, which is about 1,500 miles north of Istanbul, and 500 miles east of Moscow.

    Replies: @Alden

  212. @Bugg
    @Feryl

    Friend has a son who has been blessed to play with the Jr. NY Islanders squad, cousin has a son affiliated with the Jr. LA Kings. The investment in time and money is off the charts. Pretty much traveling 3 weekends a month to tournaments across North America. Hockey unlike baseball, basketball or football is more club team oriented than school; kids skip high school games to play for their club teams all the time. My cousin in SoCal, even worse because unlike the northeast, LA to anyplace is a plane ride. It can pay off; my friend's cousin is Sonny Milano, who is now an Anheim Duck after being drafted in th 1st round by the Columbus Blue Jackets. But in that case, he had to move to Michigan to get in a high end Junior team. His dad worked for the Long Island Railroad, so it took a big chunk of his income.

    Replies: @prosa123, @additionalMike, @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    Friend has a son who has been blessed to play with the Jr. NY Islanders squad, cousin has a son affiliated with the Jr. LA Kings. The investment in time and money is off the charts. Pretty much traveling 3 weekends a month to tournaments across North America. Hockey unlike baseball, basketball or football is more club team oriented than school; kids skip high school games to play for their club teams all the time. My cousin in SoCal, even worse because unlike the northeast, LA to anyplace is a plane ride. It can pay off; my friend’s cousin is Sonny Milano, who is now an Anheim Duck after being drafted in th 1st round by the Columbus Blue Jackets. But in that case, he had to move to Michigan to get in a high end Junior team. His dad worked for the Long Island Railroad, so it took a big chunk of his income.

    This is more of an American phenomenon however if you and your kid are living in a few areas (Boston Metro, Minnesota, Detroit Metro) you can get away with staying close to home. My younger brother played Canadian Junior “A” hockey in the 1990s into the 2000s, (we are not from the aforementioned areas) so he was resident in Toronto area in his late teens. Back in my day, the split was between kids whose dream path was to be D1 college hockey (in which case they wanted to be recruited by a New England Prep School which fed D1 programs, or Junior hockey (major junior back then was considered professional and if you played in that system you lost your NCAA amateur eligibility). Generally speaking more physical players gravitated towards Junior hockey over the Prep School to college route. I went to the summer hockey camps at Phillips Exeter as a kid, so you could see the advantages of that system if you were maybe smart enough to get recruited by Princeton or Harvard. Canadian Junior teams play a lot more games than the Prep Schools and NCAA teams (including seven game playoff series) so that’s also a factor to account for as well.

    Gone are the days when the NHL was full of tough as nails Canadian farm boys who grew up playing pond hockey and used it as a vehicle to get out of 1500 person towns on the tundra. Now, on either side of the border it is a much more suburban sport for children of families of above average incomes.

    • Thanks: Bugg
    • Replies: @E. Rekshun
    @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    tough as nails Canadian farm boys who grew up playing pond hockey

    Loved the movie Youngblood.

    Replies: @Jack P

  213. @Paperback Writer
    @AnotherDad


    But after the last few years of having blacks–and black dysfunction!–jammed in my face as normative, I’m developing a high antibody response. And I really appreciate not having my face rubbed in it and being able to see my normality.
     
    Yes, exactly. I've been reduced to watching educational TV which has a lot of British imports. This has been mentioned repeatedly but again: why must there be a black character is every story, including the ones that take place in the 19th century? Those used to be the most entertaining British imports because they really did up the costumes and rubbed your face in white dysfunction, which the British make, in their gift for theatricality, entertaining - Cockneys and upper class gents, etc. The contrast. Now everything has a black character. I'm not exaggerating. I just turn off in disgust. When will it end?

    Replies: @RadicalCenter, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @Reg Cæsar

    Yes, exactly. I’ve been reduced to watching educational TV which has a lot of British imports. This has been mentioned repeatedly but again: why must there be a black character is every story, including the ones that take place in the 19th century? Those used to be the most entertaining British imports because they really did up the costumes and rubbed your face in white dysfunction, which the British make, in their gift for theatricality, entertaining – Cockneys and upper class gents, etc. The contrast. Now everything has a black character. I’m not exaggerating. I just turn off in disgust. When will it end?

    I’ve been watching the 2020 redux of All Creatures Great and Small, which is a story about a greenhorn Scottish veterinarian who moves to a small village in Yorkshire to cure the County’s horses, cows, pigs and dogs.

    True to form in the first season, there is an older black woman married to a white man who has a soliloquy about her husband accepting her when they knew that the village wouldn’t. She is a device which convinces the young Scot’s lover interest to call off her wedding to the Lord of the big house and pursue her affections for our protagonist. I do not know whether the black female character exists in Herriot’s source material but I doubt it. Maybe London, but rural Yorkshire?

    As far as these things go, it’s not too obtrusive yet. I very well may be corrected in episodes to come.

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @Alec Leamas (hard at work)


    True to form in the first season, there is an older black woman married to a white man who has a soliloquy about her husband accepting her when they knew that the village wouldn’t.

     

    I saw that & it disgusted me.

    It's not from the original. It's a "reimagining":

    https://www.radiotimes.com/tv/drama/all-creatures-christmas-special-anne-chapman-cleo-sylvestre/

    Look: sometimes black characters in period dramas are good. If they fit into the story line, go for it. There were a few blacks in Victorian England.

    But here's my beef, as a writer: write your own damn stuff. Don't adapt someone else's ideas and distort them.

    Don't give us A Christmas Carol with a black Jacob Marley (I'm positive it's coming).

    But this travesty of sticking black characters in everything has so traumatized me that I'm allergic and probably overreacting.

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/why-david-oyelowo-wanted-to-bring-diversity-to-les-miserables/VCAR6HRVSHXP5VTK6DD7GSNMOE/

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    , @Ralph L
    @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    There were 8 books and 90 episodes of the original 1975 series, so there might have been a black person sheep in one of them.

  214. @Brutusale
    @Buffalo Joe

    https://i.pinimg.com/736x/cb/02/58/cb0258cd6a1f93e95d5b30a0d2acf03f.jpg

    Lest we forget, she did pose for Playboy. NSFW--does that mean anything anymore?

    https://thefappeningblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Katarina-Witt-Nude-TheFappeningBlog.com-1.jpg

    Back during the 1994 Olympics, my ex and I had a party the night of the ladies figure skating finals (the Kerrigan-Harding Olympics). My single friend Danny almost got himself banned for life by the wives when Witt, the final skater of the night for the last performance of her career, came to center ice. "Sorry, she should get 2/10 of a point just for lugging those breasts through the whole routine!"

    Google the "Katarina Rule". Which is why her competition used to call her "Honaker's Whore".

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @Buffalo Joe

    I must say that this is quite the improvement over my recollection of the typical East German “female” athlete.

    A few years ago there was a documentary on the doping of the East German women – as you would expect many were drugged (evidently unwittingly) from their youths with anabolic steroids. One such female shot putter later “became” a man and married an East German female swimmer.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Alec Leamas (hard at work)


    typical East German “female” athlete
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBci_37D3eI

    also "very nice" ....
    , @Brutusale
    @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    I dunno, even though she could probably bench (and definitely squat) more than the average Man of Unz, Kornelia Ender was kinda cute.

    https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/81ltgOyFMML._AC_SL1263_.jpg

  215. @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
    @Bugg


    Friend has a son who has been blessed to play with the Jr. NY Islanders squad, cousin has a son affiliated with the Jr. LA Kings. The investment in time and money is off the charts. Pretty much traveling 3 weekends a month to tournaments across North America. Hockey unlike baseball, basketball or football is more club team oriented than school; kids skip high school games to play for their club teams all the time. My cousin in SoCal, even worse because unlike the northeast, LA to anyplace is a plane ride. It can pay off; my friend’s cousin is Sonny Milano, who is now an Anheim Duck after being drafted in th 1st round by the Columbus Blue Jackets. But in that case, he had to move to Michigan to get in a high end Junior team. His dad worked for the Long Island Railroad, so it took a big chunk of his income.
     
    This is more of an American phenomenon however if you and your kid are living in a few areas (Boston Metro, Minnesota, Detroit Metro) you can get away with staying close to home. My younger brother played Canadian Junior "A" hockey in the 1990s into the 2000s, (we are not from the aforementioned areas) so he was resident in Toronto area in his late teens. Back in my day, the split was between kids whose dream path was to be D1 college hockey (in which case they wanted to be recruited by a New England Prep School which fed D1 programs, or Junior hockey (major junior back then was considered professional and if you played in that system you lost your NCAA amateur eligibility). Generally speaking more physical players gravitated towards Junior hockey over the Prep School to college route. I went to the summer hockey camps at Phillips Exeter as a kid, so you could see the advantages of that system if you were maybe smart enough to get recruited by Princeton or Harvard. Canadian Junior teams play a lot more games than the Prep Schools and NCAA teams (including seven game playoff series) so that's also a factor to account for as well.

    Gone are the days when the NHL was full of tough as nails Canadian farm boys who grew up playing pond hockey and used it as a vehicle to get out of 1500 person towns on the tundra. Now, on either side of the border it is a much more suburban sport for children of families of above average incomes.

    Replies: @E. Rekshun

    tough as nails Canadian farm boys who grew up playing pond hockey

    Loved the movie Youngblood.

    • Replies: @Jack P
    @E. Rekshun

    Me too! Had a lot of stars before they got big-time.

  216. @anon
    @anon

    Kamila Valieva is Turkish from southern Russia

    Replies: @PiltdownMan

    She is an ethnic Volga Tatar from Kazan, which is about 1,500 miles north of Istanbul, and 500 miles east of Moscow.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @PiltdownMan

    The Tatars were the biggest raiders and kidnappers of Christian Slavic Ukrainian and other children to be shipped from Odessa over the Black Sea to the Turkish slave markets. They didn’t capture adults. They preferred children. Low volume high value cargo. Crowd more product into the wagons and ships easier to control and intimidate. And easier to brainwash into Islam and rape along the way.

    Replies: @Anon, @Buzz Mohawk

  217. @Feryl
    Cross country is a bit of an exception, since you literally just need a pair of skis and poles and a consistently sub-freezing winter climate (and during the warmer months you find an equivalent exercise). Here in Minnesota there's not really affluent chic or privilege associated with cross country, whereas even hockey requires lots of parental investment in order to develop the skills required to play for a notable high school team/junior league team to get one's career launched ("hockey moms").

    Figure skating is a joke, Broadway theater masquerading as an athletic competition. Summer gymnastics events generally require acrobatic agility, strength, and power, so they are more legit. Figure skaters however generally don't even look that fit, which ought to tell you something.

    One thing nice about the Winter Olympics is that the empashis on technical coordination and strategic refinement generally reduces the urge of athletes to use PEDs. Whereas the purely physical traits required to run fast, lift weights, etc. in the summer Olympics mean that athletes feel obligated to do drugs to gain an edge. There's also something to be said for cold weather causing people to bundle up, so winter athletes are not constantly feeling body dysmorphia due to exposure to other athlete's physiques.

    Replies: @Bill, @Bugg, @HFR, @Buffalo Joe, @Bardon Kaldian, @Buzz Mohawk, @AnotherDad, @Reg Cæsar, @Corvinus

    “Figure skating is a joke, Broadway theater masquerading as an athletic competition”

    More like artistic poetry in motion with lithe and limber bodies showcasing technical prowess.

    • Replies: @Abolish_public_education
    @Corvinus

    I don't like any "sport" where judges determine the winner; or points get awarded (or not) for costume.

    Speed/figure skating good/bad.
    Swimming/diving good/bad.

    Shot Put good. Vault bad.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Buffalo Joe

    , @bike-anarkist
    @Corvinus

    ... but not a "sport"! Sports/athletics need some sort of measurement, not judgement, to give value to the event. Games end 3-0, or a dash is 9.8 seconds, or a high jump at 2.1 metres. I feel similarly towards Gymnastics... it needs judgement, not a definitive outcome, so NOT a sport.

    Figure skating = Ballet on skates... why isn't ballet in the summer Olympics?
    It's high physical fitness and creativity, but without the brokered judgements at the end.

    Replies: @Brutusale, @Corvinus

  218. @Veteran Aryan
    @Reg Cæsar


    Bed-Stuy fits most of those. How are they doing?
     
    You're conflating lack of desire with lack of opportunity.

    Why Do So Many Africans Drown?
     
    In the U.S., black boys often fear swimming because it's harder for them than it is for other groups. The same density of muscle tissue that helps them run fast makes them sink fast too. Black girls don't like to get in the water because it messes up their hair. No, I'm not joking, there is a scientific study on this but I don't care enough to take the time to relocate it.

    [Lake] Victoria is “arguably the most dangerous stretch of water in the world in terms of fatalities per square kilometer
     
    If you work on a boat and won't learn to swim then Darwin despises you and wants you dead. I concur with his opinion.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Paperback Writer

    In the U.S., black boys often fear swimming because it’s harder for them than it is for other groups. The same density of muscle tissue that helps them run fast makes them sink fast too.

    I have the same problem, even though I’m 100% NW European according to the DNA test. (Disappointing; I was hoping for a trace of aboriginal or maybe Sephardic. But the Mrs has a drop or two of Finn, so the kids are multiracial.)

    Coast Guard basic requires a swim test to complete. At the beginning, I could only do half the length, and was put into remedial class. Blacks were 5% or maybe 10% of the entire service, but an overwhelming majority of the class, many of whom didn’t know the first thing. Our first liberty came after a month, but the remedials couldn’t go. I got up to speed in time, but most of the brothas didn’t, and didn’t seem to care. It was a social event for them, and they weren’t in any hurry to go to the piers at Wildwood, a smaller, cleaner, whiter Atlantic City. (I sure was.)

    The Coast Guard made sure every recruit’s teeth were up to snuff before graduation. Perhaps these guys were in it for the free dental care, and expected to be released shortly thereafter.

  219. @Corvinus
    @Feryl

    “Figure skating is a joke, Broadway theater masquerading as an athletic competition”

    More like artistic poetry in motion with lithe and limber bodies showcasing technical prowess.

    Replies: @Abolish_public_education, @bike-anarkist

    I don’t like any “sport” where judges determine the winner; or points get awarded (or not) for costume.

    Speed/figure skating good/bad.
    Swimming/diving good/bad.

    Shot Put good. Vault bad.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @Abolish_public_education

    House painting good:


    https://media.giphy.com/media/3o7TKIv052cFxGGBB6/giphy.gif

    Art bad:


    https://media.architecturaldigest.com/photos/5e82178d057a500008d1c488/16:9/w_2560%2Cc_limit/GettyImages-107875484.jpg


    Good luck with that.

    , @Buffalo Joe
    @Abolish_public_education

    Abolish, WNY is home to some of the world's best woman pole vaulter. Beautiful women athletes.

  220. @RadicalCenter
    @Paperback Writer

    Are you still paying the corporations who push this garbage? If so, please, cancel the TV "Service" already. They don't care if you "turn it off" when you're still giving them your money every month.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    I wrote:

    “I’ve been reduced to watching educational TV.”

    I thought that was self-explanatory: no I do not pay for cable. Nor do I watch network TV. Educational TV has a lot of British imports.

    What about this is unclear?

  221. @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
    @Paperback Writer


    Yes, exactly. I’ve been reduced to watching educational TV which has a lot of British imports. This has been mentioned repeatedly but again: why must there be a black character is every story, including the ones that take place in the 19th century? Those used to be the most entertaining British imports because they really did up the costumes and rubbed your face in white dysfunction, which the British make, in their gift for theatricality, entertaining – Cockneys and upper class gents, etc. The contrast. Now everything has a black character. I’m not exaggerating. I just turn off in disgust. When will it end?
     
    I've been watching the 2020 redux of All Creatures Great and Small, which is a story about a greenhorn Scottish veterinarian who moves to a small village in Yorkshire to cure the County's horses, cows, pigs and dogs.

    True to form in the first season, there is an older black woman married to a white man who has a soliloquy about her husband accepting her when they knew that the village wouldn't. She is a device which convinces the young Scot's lover interest to call off her wedding to the Lord of the big house and pursue her affections for our protagonist. I do not know whether the black female character exists in Herriot's source material but I doubt it. Maybe London, but rural Yorkshire?

    As far as these things go, it's not too obtrusive yet. I very well may be corrected in episodes to come.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer, @Ralph L

    True to form in the first season, there is an older black woman married to a white man who has a soliloquy about her husband accepting her when they knew that the village wouldn’t.

    I saw that & it disgusted me.

    It’s not from the original. It’s a “reimagining”:

    https://www.radiotimes.com/tv/drama/all-creatures-christmas-special-anne-chapman-cleo-sylvestre/

    Look: sometimes black characters in period dramas are good. If they fit into the story line, go for it. There were a few blacks in Victorian England.

    But here’s my beef, as a writer: write your own damn stuff. Don’t adapt someone else’s ideas and distort them.

    Don’t give us A Christmas Carol with a black Jacob Marley (I’m positive it’s coming).

    But this travesty of sticking black characters in everything has so traumatized me that I’m allergic and probably overreacting.

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/why-david-oyelowo-wanted-to-bring-diversity-to-les-miserables/VCAR6HRVSHXP5VTK6DD7GSNMOE/

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @Paperback Writer

    "Don’t give us A Christmas Carol with a black Jacob Marley (I’m positive it’s coming)."

    We've already had a black Mum for Tiny Tim, in 2019. That's probably what started Covid ;-)

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/hamilton-the-obama-administration-on-stage/#comment-4021101


    The BBC’s A Christmas Carol last year (i.e. 2019) featured a black Mrs Cratchit, who Scrooge lusted after. I can’t remember that (the blackness or the lusting) being in Dickens.

    https://images.immediate.co.uk/production/volatile/sites/3/2019/12/Vinette-Robinson-as-Mary-Cratchit-in-A-Christmas-Carol-d82ec39.jpg

    I know you’re supposed to suspend disbelief, but come on.

    The writer is Steven Knight, whose TV series Peaky Blinders, a fantasy about an imaginary 1920s gang of Irish Brummies, also featured black gang members. He seems to specialise in retro-fitting black people into past times the way Andrew Davies retro-fits sex and nudity into Jane Austen. Steve has a better phrase to describe the retro-fitting which escapes me at the moment.
     

    "There were a few blacks in Victorian England"

    Very very few. Here's the Guardian report of a 1951 British Cabinet meeting discussing what were then called "coloured people".

    https://web.archive.org/web/20141005145016/http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2007/aug/06/past.politics


    The prime minister (Churchill) began the discussion, saying: "Problems wh. will arise if many coloured people settle here. Are we to saddle ourselves with colour problems in UK? Attracted by Welfare State. Public opinion in UK won't tolerate it once it gets beyond certain limits."

    Florence Horsbrugh, the minister of education, added that the problem was becoming "serious" in Manchester. David Maxwell-Fyfe, the home secretary, reported that the total of "coloured people" in Britain had risen from 7,000 before the second world war to 40,000 at the time of writing, with 3,666 of those unemployed, and 1,870 on national assistance, or benefits.
     

    7,000 out of what, 50 million?

    If you were born in 1900, or later if you avoided cities, it was possible to live your entire life in the UK without ever seeing a black person (except inevitably on TV).

    Replies: @Paperback Writer, @Dream

  222. @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
    @Paperback Writer


    Yes, exactly. I’ve been reduced to watching educational TV which has a lot of British imports. This has been mentioned repeatedly but again: why must there be a black character is every story, including the ones that take place in the 19th century? Those used to be the most entertaining British imports because they really did up the costumes and rubbed your face in white dysfunction, which the British make, in their gift for theatricality, entertaining – Cockneys and upper class gents, etc. The contrast. Now everything has a black character. I’m not exaggerating. I just turn off in disgust. When will it end?
     
    I've been watching the 2020 redux of All Creatures Great and Small, which is a story about a greenhorn Scottish veterinarian who moves to a small village in Yorkshire to cure the County's horses, cows, pigs and dogs.

    True to form in the first season, there is an older black woman married to a white man who has a soliloquy about her husband accepting her when they knew that the village wouldn't. She is a device which convinces the young Scot's lover interest to call off her wedding to the Lord of the big house and pursue her affections for our protagonist. I do not know whether the black female character exists in Herriot's source material but I doubt it. Maybe London, but rural Yorkshire?

    As far as these things go, it's not too obtrusive yet. I very well may be corrected in episodes to come.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer, @Ralph L

    There were 8 books and 90 episodes of the original 1975 series, so there might have been a black person sheep in one of them.

  223. @Veteran Aryan
    @Reg Cæsar


    Bed-Stuy fits most of those. How are they doing?
     
    You're conflating lack of desire with lack of opportunity.

    Why Do So Many Africans Drown?
     
    In the U.S., black boys often fear swimming because it's harder for them than it is for other groups. The same density of muscle tissue that helps them run fast makes them sink fast too. Black girls don't like to get in the water because it messes up their hair. No, I'm not joking, there is a scientific study on this but I don't care enough to take the time to relocate it.

    [Lake] Victoria is “arguably the most dangerous stretch of water in the world in terms of fatalities per square kilometer
     
    If you work on a boat and won't learn to swim then Darwin despises you and wants you dead. I concur with his opinion.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Paperback Writer

    I don’t buy the muscle density theory. Dense muscles should help them power through the water. Compensation.

    She hasn’t done badly:

    https://usopm.org/simone-manuel-became-the-first-black-female-swimmer-to-win-individual-olympic-gold/

    That is, until she and her kind take over.

    https://pennathletics.com/sports/womens-swimming-and-diving/roster/lia-thomas/19456

  224. @Paperback Writer
    @AnotherDad


    But after the last few years of having blacks–and black dysfunction!–jammed in my face as normative, I’m developing a high antibody response. And I really appreciate not having my face rubbed in it and being able to see my normality.
     
    Yes, exactly. I've been reduced to watching educational TV which has a lot of British imports. This has been mentioned repeatedly but again: why must there be a black character is every story, including the ones that take place in the 19th century? Those used to be the most entertaining British imports because they really did up the costumes and rubbed your face in white dysfunction, which the British make, in their gift for theatricality, entertaining - Cockneys and upper class gents, etc. The contrast. Now everything has a black character. I'm not exaggerating. I just turn off in disgust. When will it end?

    Replies: @RadicalCenter, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @Reg Cæsar

    This has been mentioned repeatedly but again: why must there be a black character is every story, including the ones that take place in the 19th century?

    A new Kwik Trip commercial is preceding our informational videos. It’s long, and features a thin white mother and her four mulatto children, with a late cameo appearance by her black husband. It’s not short, either.

    Kwik Trip, based in La Crosse, operates stores only in Wisconsin and Minnesota and, as Kwik Star, in Iowa. And not in every corner of those states; they deliver fresh meals daily to every store and thus keep to a tight radius from their HQ. (Basically the gas station equivalent of Culver’s, before the latter’s recent expansion.)

    The demographics of this area outside the Twin Cities metro– and they avoid the inner cities– is as white or whiter than England, and “non-white” will mean Hmong as much as anything else.

    This commercial is so alien to their core market that it must be from some new, urban agency. Perhaps the one who did the Cheerios ad that irked people back in 2013? Their previous ads feature real people, but these folks are way to professional and choreographed for that.

    These news reports would work better as spots; they are certainly more representative:

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Reg Cæsar


    The demographics of this area outside the Twin Cities metro – is as white or whiter than England


    This commercial is so alien to their core market that it must be from some new, urban agency.

     

    These commercials are not responding to the market. Instead they are organized political propaganda used to destroy white communities.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @Jack P
    @Reg Cæsar

    Sounds like a boycott is in order. Put your money where your mouth is and tell your friends. And then call the company to let them know why.

  225. @Brutusale
    @Buffalo Joe

    https://i.pinimg.com/736x/cb/02/58/cb0258cd6a1f93e95d5b30a0d2acf03f.jpg

    Lest we forget, she did pose for Playboy. NSFW--does that mean anything anymore?

    https://thefappeningblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Katarina-Witt-Nude-TheFappeningBlog.com-1.jpg

    Back during the 1994 Olympics, my ex and I had a party the night of the ladies figure skating finals (the Kerrigan-Harding Olympics). My single friend Danny almost got himself banned for life by the wives when Witt, the final skater of the night for the last performance of her career, came to center ice. "Sorry, she should get 2/10 of a point just for lugging those breasts through the whole routine!"

    Google the "Katarina Rule". Which is why her competition used to call her "Honaker's Whore".

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @Buffalo Joe

    Brutus, thank you. Katarina is how I picture some of our lady commentors here at iSteve. Stay safe.

  226. Anonymous[233] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reg Cæsar
    @Paperback Writer


    This has been mentioned repeatedly but again: why must there be a black character is every story, including the ones that take place in the 19th century?
     
    A new Kwik Trip commercial is preceding our informational videos. It's long, and features a thin white mother and her four mulatto children, with a late cameo appearance by her black husband. It's not short, either.

    Kwik Trip, based in La Crosse, operates stores only in Wisconsin and Minnesota and, as Kwik Star, in Iowa. And not in every corner of those states; they deliver fresh meals daily to every store and thus keep to a tight radius from their HQ. (Basically the gas station equivalent of Culver's, before the latter's recent expansion.)

    The demographics of this area outside the Twin Cities metro-- and they avoid the inner cities-- is as white or whiter than England, and "non-white" will mean Hmong as much as anything else.

    This commercial is so alien to their core market that it must be from some new, urban agency. Perhaps the one who did the Cheerios ad that irked people back in 2013? Their previous ads feature real people, but these folks are way to professional and choreographed for that.

    These news reports would work better as spots; they are certainly more representative:


    https://youtu.be/mxnQioRA_w4

    https://youtu.be/8A_PPr-Df0g

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Jack P

    The demographics of this area outside the Twin Cities metro – is as white or whiter than England

    This commercial is so alien to their core market that it must be from some new, urban agency.

    These commercials are not responding to the market. Instead they are organized political propaganda used to destroy white communities.

    • Agree: Alden, Kylie, Buzz Mohawk
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Anonymous


    Instead they are organized political propaganda used to destroy white communities.
     
    Nobody in my 99% white village is paying attention to them. They're wasting their money.

    There was backlash over the Cheerios ad in 2013. I bet because black women got to see it. White men are annoyed by black-white couplings, but black women are positively hurt by them.

    Cheerios is a General Mills product, i.e., from Golden Valley. Kwik Trip is in La Crosse but is increasing its footprint in, or at least around, the Cities. I wouldn't be surprised if both ads, nine years apart, were the work of the same Minneapolis agency. It's a huge ad and theater town. Lots of idle actors around.

    However, Kwik Trip's clientele is small-town and exurban. Ads on YouTube are tailored to your viewing history. I really doubt this one was seen by many sistaz. I searched online and don't see it. Hmm.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Buzz Mohawk

  227. @Esso
    @Enemy of Earth

    The traditional form of lynx hunting can be a very demanding skiing excercise. They might climb a tree so you need a firearm. I guess in the right conditions you can catch wolves too.

    Moose are somewhat easy to catch in deep crusty snow and open terrain.

    Replies: @Bill Jones, @Buffalo Joe

    Esso, hmm, I don’t think you know how big moose are. I know Bullwinkle standing next to Rocky Squirrel didn’t look that impressive but real moose are huge. Stay away from moose even in crusty snow.

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @Buffalo Joe

    Moose are gigantic. I saw one in New Hampshire. Awesome beasts.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

  228. There’s an Italian lady speed skater named Francesca Lollobrigida. Yes, that Lollobrigida. She’s a niece or something.

    Then there’s this. I smell a rat:

    https://www.washingtoninformer.com/black-speedskater-erin-jackson-gets-a-rare-second-chance/

    Am I the only person who flinches in astonishment at how openly and obsessively racialized the American media have become? It’s right in the header:

    Black Speedskater Erin Jackson Gets a Rare Second Chance

    Unzmen: do you think that the white girl just gave up her place without a little, um, nudging, a la the KGB in 1962 Soviet Union?

    Then, in a case of unprecedented sportsmanship, Jackson received a reprieve and second chance when her teammate and close friend Brittany Bowe exercised her position as the winner and relinquished her spot to Jackson.

    “Erin has earned her right to be on this 500-meter team,” said recited Bowe from a prepared statement, who will be competing in the 1,000 and 1,500 and counts as a three-time Olympian.

    “She is ranked No. 1 in the world and no one is more deserving than her to get an opportunity to bring Team USA a medal. It is my honor to give her that opportunity,” she said.

    • Agree: Buzz Mohawk
    • Thanks: YetAnotherAnon
  229. @Buffalo Joe
    @Esso

    Esso, hmm, I don't think you know how big moose are. I know Bullwinkle standing next to Rocky Squirrel didn't look that impressive but real moose are huge. Stay away from moose even in crusty snow.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    Moose are gigantic. I saw one in New Hampshire. Awesome beasts.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Paperback Writer

    Paper, driving back to Thunder Bay, Ontario from a remote fishing camp we approached a bull moose standing in the road. We slowed down, he turned and took off in a trot similar to Amish pacers. We caught up, passed by, at over 30 mph and looking out the window of a GMC Denali, his back was at least even with the roof of the truck. Massive beast. He turned and pushed through the brush and was gone. I'm going back to try and "catch" one. Stay safe.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

  230. @Paperback Writer
    @Buffalo Joe

    Moose are gigantic. I saw one in New Hampshire. Awesome beasts.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    Paper, driving back to Thunder Bay, Ontario from a remote fishing camp we approached a bull moose standing in the road. We slowed down, he turned and took off in a trot similar to Amish pacers. We caught up, passed by, at over 30 mph and looking out the window of a GMC Denali, his back was at least even with the roof of the truck. Massive beast. He turned and pushed through the brush and was gone. I’m going back to try and “catch” one. Stay safe.

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @Buffalo Joe


    I’m going back to try and “catch” one.

     

    How? You joking?
  231. The German skiing coach Christian Schwager claims his team has not been provided a hot meal since they arrived. Others claim the athletes aren’t being fed enough calories needed for the athletic feats in cold weather. Also there are complaints of lack of heat blankets and other things considered normal in many countries.

    And this is China’s best effort at feeding and housing the Olympic athletes.

  232. @PiltdownMan
    @anon

    She is an ethnic Volga Tatar from Kazan, which is about 1,500 miles north of Istanbul, and 500 miles east of Moscow.

    Replies: @Alden

    The Tatars were the biggest raiders and kidnappers of Christian Slavic Ukrainian and other children to be shipped from Odessa over the Black Sea to the Turkish slave markets. They didn’t capture adults. They preferred children. Low volume high value cargo. Crowd more product into the wagons and ships easier to control and intimidate. And easier to brainwash into Islam and rape along the way.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Alden


    The Tatars were the biggest raiders and kidnappers of Christian Slavic Ukrainian and other children to be shipped from Odessa over the Black Sea to the Turkish slave markets.
     
    Weren’t the Jews active in trading Slavs into slavery? Look up Radhanite Jews.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    , @Buzz Mohawk
    @Alden

    I learn a lot by reading here. Thank you. In light of all that, what do you think about the 15-year-old who pulled off the first two quads ever performed in women's Olympic figure skating?

    Is she an evil Tatar slave trader?

    Be careful not to sound like all the people who want you and me to be guilty of whatever nonsense some of our ancestors might have done.

    Replies: @Brutusale, @Alden

  233. @RadicalCenter
    @Wilkey

    Most families can't afford that "quick vacation" and can't even consider annual passes for disneyland and other SoCal attractions. They're just not families that you may personally know or socialize with.

    Those attractions' annual passes are NOT at all affordable for most people, nor are annual ski passes. Millions of people just in CA are having trouble affording decent housing and vehicle and now groceries.

    Living in a bubble detached from the reality of most Americans' lives. The great bargain that supposedly are annual passes would elicit bitter laughter from people worried about being evicted, foreclosed, and/or losing their vehicles. That is a large and growing proportion of the population, and not just here in SoCal.

    Replies: @Wilkey

    Living in a bubble detached from the reality of most Americans’ lives.

    You’re living in a bubble making assumptions about what I think or assume.

    I am well aware that such excursions are out of reach for a large % of the population. But they are also well within reach for a large % of the population, not just the top 1% or even 10%.

  234. @Peter Akuleyev
    @jjbees


    Exile all criminals to foreign countries or Alaska, or ensure they don’t have children, to remove future criminals from the gene pool (as we know, behavior is genetic in origin!)
     
    If we had done that consistently in the 19th and 20th centuries, there would far, far fewer Italian, Irish and Jewish Americans in the US today.

    Replies: @Alden, @peterike

    Approximately 100,000 Irish arrived in the British colonies of N. America in the 1600s. By 1700 Irish were about 40 percent of the White population of the 13 colonies. The Irish have been in America a lot longer than the Slavs.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Alden


    Approximately 100,000 Irish arrived in the British colonies of N. America in the 1600s. By 1700 Irish were about 40 percent of the White population of the 13 colonies. The Irish have been in America a lot longer than the Slavs.
     
    Irish or Scots Irish?

    Replies: @Alden

    , @Clyde
    @Alden


    Approximately 100,000 Irish arrived in the British colonies of N. America in the 1600s. By 1700 Irish were about 40 percent of the White population of the 13 colonies. The Irish have been in America a lot longer than the Slavs
     
    Were they Protestant Irish? I would think so. We did not want Catholics back then.
  235. @Alden
    @PiltdownMan

    The Tatars were the biggest raiders and kidnappers of Christian Slavic Ukrainian and other children to be shipped from Odessa over the Black Sea to the Turkish slave markets. They didn’t capture adults. They preferred children. Low volume high value cargo. Crowd more product into the wagons and ships easier to control and intimidate. And easier to brainwash into Islam and rape along the way.

    Replies: @Anon, @Buzz Mohawk

    The Tatars were the biggest raiders and kidnappers of Christian Slavic Ukrainian and other children to be shipped from Odessa over the Black Sea to the Turkish slave markets.

    Weren’t the Jews active in trading Slavs into slavery? Look up Radhanite Jews.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @Anon

    This Israeli site mentions it (inter alia).

    https://www.anumuseum.org.il/blog-items/medieval-tycoons-the-amazing-story-of-the-radhanites/


    "A thousand years before Hitler projected his mental disturbances upon the Jews, there was an elite guild of Jewish merchants who held key positions and actually ruled the world’s economy; they spoke dozens of languages and had a worldwide trade network; determined to enhance their profit, they would go on any daring mission and travel any distance – those were the Radhanites."
     
  236. @Buffalo Joe
    @Paperback Writer

    Paper, driving back to Thunder Bay, Ontario from a remote fishing camp we approached a bull moose standing in the road. We slowed down, he turned and took off in a trot similar to Amish pacers. We caught up, passed by, at over 30 mph and looking out the window of a GMC Denali, his back was at least even with the roof of the truck. Massive beast. He turned and pushed through the brush and was gone. I'm going back to try and "catch" one. Stay safe.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    I’m going back to try and “catch” one.

    How? You joking?

  237. @Alden
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Approximately 100,000 Irish arrived in the British colonies of N. America in the 1600s. By 1700 Irish were about 40 percent of the White population of the 13 colonies. The Irish have been in America a lot longer than the Slavs.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Clyde

    Approximately 100,000 Irish arrived in the British colonies of N. America in the 1600s. By 1700 Irish were about 40 percent of the White population of the 13 colonies. The Irish have been in America a lot longer than the Slavs.

    Irish or Scots Irish?

    • Agree: duncsbaby
    • Replies: @Alden
    @Anonymous

    Irish Irish The Scots Irish who arrived in America in the 16oos were transients in Ireland.

    Deported from the southern Scotland northern English border regions by King James the first of England James 6 of Scotland.

    The southern Scots on the border with England had been raiders bandits extortionists kidnappers for ransom forever. Long before Elizabeth one of England died, James 6 was talking to all the English lords and factions making promises to everyone.

    Did you know that Elizabeth 1 did not kill James mother Mary Stuart until James 6 gave her permission?

    One of the major promises James gave to the English before Elizabeth one died is that he would do something about the wild Scots border bandits. Who constantly raided over the border.

    So his decades of lobbying all the factions succeeded. James became King of Scotland and England. He had to keep some if his promises.

    Other promises he totally reneged on.
    He did keep his promises about the Scots bandit tribes right over the border. He had to. If he had not, the Percys, Rutlands and the other northern English warlords would have overthrown him. Because they were sick of the centuries long battle to keep the Scots bandit tribes on the northern side of the border.

    Sooooo.

    King James offered the bandit tribes the opportunity to settle in the English Pale of Settlement in Ireland. And in return the resettled Scots tribe’s would keep the native Irish subdued. The bandit tribes had just one stipulation.

    Instead of confirming to the official church of Ireland/England/Scotland of which the King of England was head; the resettled Scots bandit tribes would be allowed to practice their own insane wanna be Jew version of Christianity known as Calvinism after the crypto Jew who founded that insane version of Christianity.

    So it was agreed. And the Scots bandit tribes went to Ireland to subdue the native Irish for the English.

    But King James betrayed them. As soon as the Calvinist tribes settled down, James ordered them into the official Church of Ireland. And persecuted them for not confirming. So there was a little war between the English army in Ireland and these non confirming wanna be Jew Calvinist Scots.

    Many confirmed to the official Church. Many went off to America.

    But a generation in Ireland doesn’t make a Scot a Scot Irish does it? And after 12 generations in America claiming to be Scots Irish because an ancestor lived in Ireland from 1620 to 1650 seems a little silly.

    King James made promises to every faction. He also promised freedom of religion to Catholics. He reneged on that too. Result was the Guy Fawkes attempted bombing of parliament on the opening day when James and his children would be there.

    Result of that was Catholics were repressed more than under Elizabeth. And the Scots in Ireland wanna Be Jew Calvinism was also repressed. So the Scots moved to America where they could be Calvinists without interference..

    So now you know why your ancestors left Ireland for America. I’m not insulting you or your wanna be Jew Calvinism . My husband the Nordic God is descended from the wild bandit tribes of the Scotch border. So are my children. That’s how the Aldens know about why and how the bandit border tribes were deported first to Ireland and them America.

    Ever listened to the music of Rally to the Bonnie
    Blue Flag? It’s just an Irish jig. Nothing Scots about it. The battle flag is pure Scots with the X St Andrew Cross. Although the Scots living in Ireland hated him because he was a dreaded RC

  238. @anonymous coward
    @International Jew

    Biathlon is not niche unless you live in some truly shithole third-world country.

    Replies: @anon

    Biathlon is essentially what Finns used in the 1939-40 to stop the Soviet invasion.

  239. @Alden
    @PiltdownMan

    The Tatars were the biggest raiders and kidnappers of Christian Slavic Ukrainian and other children to be shipped from Odessa over the Black Sea to the Turkish slave markets. They didn’t capture adults. They preferred children. Low volume high value cargo. Crowd more product into the wagons and ships easier to control and intimidate. And easier to brainwash into Islam and rape along the way.

    Replies: @Anon, @Buzz Mohawk

    I learn a lot by reading here. Thank you. In light of all that, what do you think about the 15-year-old who pulled off the first two quads ever performed in women’s Olympic figure skating?

    Is she an evil Tatar slave trader?

    Be careful not to sound like all the people who want you and me to be guilty of whatever nonsense some of our ancestors might have done.

    • Agree: PiltdownMan
    • Replies: @Brutusale
    @Buzz Mohawk

    It must be nice to be at a level of excellence where you can actually stumble out of a jump and still beat your nearest competitor by about 30 points.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hda3vvmqQHQ

    Of course, it's a jump that no woman had done in competition.

    What's it like to be named checked as the greatest ever at something when you're 15 years old?

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    , @Alden
    @Buzz Mohawk

    It’s just a fact. A fact is a fact. Dancer Rudolf Nureyev was one. Stalin sent them off to Siberia in the 1930s because their Muslim religion, family structure, ways of making a living, interfered with the plans to create a new Soviet Man and woman presumably.

    They were allowed back in their old homeland in the 1950s. They are extremely good looking if you like high cheekbones. The men still take the boys out in the wilderness for tough survival trips.

  240. @Abolish_public_education
    @Corvinus

    I don't like any "sport" where judges determine the winner; or points get awarded (or not) for costume.

    Speed/figure skating good/bad.
    Swimming/diving good/bad.

    Shot Put good. Vault bad.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Buffalo Joe

    House painting good:

    Art bad:

    Good luck with that.

  241. @Anonymous
    @Reg Cæsar


    The demographics of this area outside the Twin Cities metro – is as white or whiter than England


    This commercial is so alien to their core market that it must be from some new, urban agency.

     

    These commercials are not responding to the market. Instead they are organized political propaganda used to destroy white communities.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Instead they are organized political propaganda used to destroy white communities.

    Nobody in my 99% white village is paying attention to them. They’re wasting their money.

    There was backlash over the Cheerios ad in 2013. I bet because black women got to see it. White men are annoyed by black-white couplings, but black women are positively hurt by them.

    Cheerios is a General Mills product, i.e., from Golden Valley. Kwik Trip is in La Crosse but is increasing its footprint in, or at least around, the Cities. I wouldn’t be surprised if both ads, nine years apart, were the work of the same Minneapolis agency. It’s a huge ad and theater town. Lots of idle actors around.

    However, Kwik Trip’s clientele is small-town and exurban. Ads on YouTube are tailored to your viewing history. I really doubt this one was seen by many sistaz. I searched online and don’t see it. Hmm.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Reg Cæsar


    Nobody in my 99% white village is paying attention to them. They’re wasting their money.
     
    I bet that’s what some of the Gauls thought when Julius Caesar was marching through. An individual or little village cannot withstand a machine. It takes mass collective action.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @Buzz Mohawk
    @Reg Cæsar


    White men are annoyed by black-white couplings, but black women are positively hurt by them.
     
    50% Correction here, Reg:

    Many Black women luuuve pairings of White men with black women. Some of those women are, quite frankly, sick and tired of all the bullshit they have to live with from black men. Many of those women do find White men attractive and are thrilled when they have the rare chance to couple with them.

    Date one and ask.

    Replies: @JMcG

  242. @zoos
    @Feryl

    I think female skateboard downhill racing would be a viewer draw, as long as their professional attire required shorts:

    https://youtu.be/EZ4tthrMiNo

    Replies: @duncsbaby

    That was a great video. To be honest there isn’t much T & A, just a smooth 4 minutes of two skateboarders careening down a steep, winding hill at great speed. Very cool. I looked it up and as far as I can tell the Maryhill Freeride is held in southern Washington by the Columbia River Gorge.

  243. @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
    @Brutusale

    I must say that this is quite the improvement over my recollection of the typical East German "female" athlete.

    A few years ago there was a documentary on the doping of the East German women - as you would expect many were drugged (evidently unwittingly) from their youths with anabolic steroids. One such female shot putter later "became" a man and married an East German female swimmer.

    Replies: @anon, @Brutusale

    typical East German “female” athlete

    also “very nice” ….

  244. @Anon
    @Alden


    The Tatars were the biggest raiders and kidnappers of Christian Slavic Ukrainian and other children to be shipped from Odessa over the Black Sea to the Turkish slave markets.
     
    Weren’t the Jews active in trading Slavs into slavery? Look up Radhanite Jews.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    This Israeli site mentions it (inter alia).

    https://www.anumuseum.org.il/blog-items/medieval-tycoons-the-amazing-story-of-the-radhanites/

    “A thousand years before Hitler projected his mental disturbances upon the Jews, there was an elite guild of Jewish merchants who held key positions and actually ruled the world’s economy; they spoke dozens of languages and had a worldwide trade network; determined to enhance their profit, they would go on any daring mission and travel any distance – those were the Radhanites.”

  245. @Paperback Writer
    @Alec Leamas (hard at work)


    True to form in the first season, there is an older black woman married to a white man who has a soliloquy about her husband accepting her when they knew that the village wouldn’t.

     

    I saw that & it disgusted me.

    It's not from the original. It's a "reimagining":

    https://www.radiotimes.com/tv/drama/all-creatures-christmas-special-anne-chapman-cleo-sylvestre/

    Look: sometimes black characters in period dramas are good. If they fit into the story line, go for it. There were a few blacks in Victorian England.

    But here's my beef, as a writer: write your own damn stuff. Don't adapt someone else's ideas and distort them.

    Don't give us A Christmas Carol with a black Jacob Marley (I'm positive it's coming).

    But this travesty of sticking black characters in everything has so traumatized me that I'm allergic and probably overreacting.

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/why-david-oyelowo-wanted-to-bring-diversity-to-les-miserables/VCAR6HRVSHXP5VTK6DD7GSNMOE/

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    “Don’t give us A Christmas Carol with a black Jacob Marley (I’m positive it’s coming).”

    We’ve already had a black Mum for Tiny Tim, in 2019. That’s probably what started Covid 😉

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/hamilton-the-obama-administration-on-stage/#comment-4021101

    The BBC’s A Christmas Carol last year (i.e. 2019) featured a black Mrs Cratchit, who Scrooge lusted after. I can’t remember that (the blackness or the lusting) being in Dickens.

    I know you’re supposed to suspend disbelief, but come on.

    The writer is Steven Knight, whose TV series Peaky Blinders, a fantasy about an imaginary 1920s gang of Irish Brummies, also featured black gang members. He seems to specialise in retro-fitting black people into past times the way Andrew Davies retro-fits sex and nudity into Jane Austen. Steve has a better phrase to describe the retro-fitting which escapes me at the moment.

    “There were a few blacks in Victorian England”

    Very very few. Here’s the Guardian report of a 1951 British Cabinet meeting discussing what were then called “coloured people”.

    https://web.archive.org/web/20141005145016/http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2007/aug/06/past.politics

    The prime minister (Churchill) began the discussion, saying: “Problems wh. will arise if many coloured people settle here. Are we to saddle ourselves with colour problems in UK? Attracted by Welfare State. Public opinion in UK won’t tolerate it once it gets beyond certain limits.”

    Florence Horsbrugh, the minister of education, added that the problem was becoming “serious” in Manchester. David Maxwell-Fyfe, the home secretary, reported that the total of “coloured people” in Britain had risen from 7,000 before the second world war to 40,000 at the time of writing, with 3,666 of those unemployed, and 1,870 on national assistance, or benefits.

    7,000 out of what, 50 million?

    If you were born in 1900, or later if you avoided cities, it was possible to live your entire life in the UK without ever seeing a black person (except inevitably on TV).

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @YetAnotherAnon


    We’ve already had a black Mum for Tiny Tim, in 2019.

     

    Swear I didn't know that. But I was on the right track.

    7,000 out of what, 50 million?
     
    And probably in slums. So the idea of running across one in a Victorian slum, which is where so many of these British series take place, is not insane. Drama often focuses on the weird and exceptional.

    But that's the thing: presenting blacks as routine in Victorian England is a complete lie.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Reg Cæsar

    , @Dream
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Does coloured stand for only blacks or all non-whites?

  246. @Prosa123
    @Steve Sailer

    It may be expensive to play at Pebble Beach but at least it's possible. So many of the top courses are private clubs

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    “So many of the top courses are private clubs”

    That’s the great thing about Scotland. My cousin used to take a week off every year to do some of the great Scottish courses. Places like the Old Course at St Andrews are popular enough that there’s a ballot to choose who plays, in which there are allocated slots for members but also open slots for anyone who puts their name in.

    https://www.visitscotland.com/see-do/active/golf/famous-tournament-courses/

  247. @Reg Cæsar
    @Anonymous


    Instead they are organized political propaganda used to destroy white communities.
     
    Nobody in my 99% white village is paying attention to them. They're wasting their money.

    There was backlash over the Cheerios ad in 2013. I bet because black women got to see it. White men are annoyed by black-white couplings, but black women are positively hurt by them.

    Cheerios is a General Mills product, i.e., from Golden Valley. Kwik Trip is in La Crosse but is increasing its footprint in, or at least around, the Cities. I wouldn't be surprised if both ads, nine years apart, were the work of the same Minneapolis agency. It's a huge ad and theater town. Lots of idle actors around.

    However, Kwik Trip's clientele is small-town and exurban. Ads on YouTube are tailored to your viewing history. I really doubt this one was seen by many sistaz. I searched online and don't see it. Hmm.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Buzz Mohawk

    Nobody in my 99% white village is paying attention to them. They’re wasting their money.

    I bet that’s what some of the Gauls thought when Julius Caesar was marching through. An individual or little village cannot withstand a machine. It takes mass collective action.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Anonymous


    An individual or little village cannot withstand a machine. It takes mass collective action.
     
    Yeah, right. "An individual or little village [the voters of Arkansas] cannot withstand a machine [the ACLU]. It takes mass collective action [the Moral Majority]."


    Our race isn't wired for "mass collective action". We are not ants. Find another way.

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/01/05/11/23010634-7853617-image-a-52_1578224789745.jpg

    Replies: @Anonymous

  248. @Reg Cæsar
    @Anonymous


    Instead they are organized political propaganda used to destroy white communities.
     
    Nobody in my 99% white village is paying attention to them. They're wasting their money.

    There was backlash over the Cheerios ad in 2013. I bet because black women got to see it. White men are annoyed by black-white couplings, but black women are positively hurt by them.

    Cheerios is a General Mills product, i.e., from Golden Valley. Kwik Trip is in La Crosse but is increasing its footprint in, or at least around, the Cities. I wouldn't be surprised if both ads, nine years apart, were the work of the same Minneapolis agency. It's a huge ad and theater town. Lots of idle actors around.

    However, Kwik Trip's clientele is small-town and exurban. Ads on YouTube are tailored to your viewing history. I really doubt this one was seen by many sistaz. I searched online and don't see it. Hmm.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Buzz Mohawk

    White men are annoyed by black-white couplings, but black women are positively hurt by them.

    50% Correction here, Reg:

    Many Black women luuuve pairings of White men with black women. Some of those women are, quite frankly, sick and tired of all the bullshit they have to live with from black men. Many of those women do find White men attractive and are thrilled when they have the rare chance to couple with them.

    Date one and ask.

    • Replies: @JMcG
    @Buzz Mohawk

    My wife once woke up in a foul mood. When I inquired as to the source of her unhappiness, she informed me that she had just had a dream in which she caught me cheating on her with a black woman. After my laughter subsided, I informed her that of all the things she had to worry about, that was certainly one she could put out of her mind.

  249. JMcG says:
    @Buzz Mohawk
    @Reg Cæsar


    White men are annoyed by black-white couplings, but black women are positively hurt by them.
     
    50% Correction here, Reg:

    Many Black women luuuve pairings of White men with black women. Some of those women are, quite frankly, sick and tired of all the bullshit they have to live with from black men. Many of those women do find White men attractive and are thrilled when they have the rare chance to couple with them.

    Date one and ask.

    Replies: @JMcG

    My wife once woke up in a foul mood. When I inquired as to the source of her unhappiness, she informed me that she had just had a dream in which she caught me cheating on her with a black woman. After my laughter subsided, I informed her that of all the things she had to worry about, that was certainly one she could put out of her mind.

  250. @Buzz Mohawk
    @Alden

    I learn a lot by reading here. Thank you. In light of all that, what do you think about the 15-year-old who pulled off the first two quads ever performed in women's Olympic figure skating?

    Is she an evil Tatar slave trader?

    Be careful not to sound like all the people who want you and me to be guilty of whatever nonsense some of our ancestors might have done.

    Replies: @Brutusale, @Alden

    It must be nice to be at a level of excellence where you can actually stumble out of a jump and still beat your nearest competitor by about 30 points.

    Of course, it’s a jump that no woman had done in competition.

    What’s it like to be named checked as the greatest ever at something when you’re 15 years old?

    • Thanks: Rosie
    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @Brutusale

    I pay attention to figure skating once every 4 to 8 years - I'm amazed at the quantum leap (sorry) in ability. Quads? Time was females couldn't do triple axels, except squat little Tonya Harding and even she was hit or miss. Wow. Mad respect to them.

    Replies: @Brutusale, @Rosie

  251. @YetAnotherAnon
    @Paperback Writer

    "Don’t give us A Christmas Carol with a black Jacob Marley (I’m positive it’s coming)."

    We've already had a black Mum for Tiny Tim, in 2019. That's probably what started Covid ;-)

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/hamilton-the-obama-administration-on-stage/#comment-4021101


    The BBC’s A Christmas Carol last year (i.e. 2019) featured a black Mrs Cratchit, who Scrooge lusted after. I can’t remember that (the blackness or the lusting) being in Dickens.

    https://images.immediate.co.uk/production/volatile/sites/3/2019/12/Vinette-Robinson-as-Mary-Cratchit-in-A-Christmas-Carol-d82ec39.jpg

    I know you’re supposed to suspend disbelief, but come on.

    The writer is Steven Knight, whose TV series Peaky Blinders, a fantasy about an imaginary 1920s gang of Irish Brummies, also featured black gang members. He seems to specialise in retro-fitting black people into past times the way Andrew Davies retro-fits sex and nudity into Jane Austen. Steve has a better phrase to describe the retro-fitting which escapes me at the moment.
     

    "There were a few blacks in Victorian England"

    Very very few. Here's the Guardian report of a 1951 British Cabinet meeting discussing what were then called "coloured people".

    https://web.archive.org/web/20141005145016/http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2007/aug/06/past.politics


    The prime minister (Churchill) began the discussion, saying: "Problems wh. will arise if many coloured people settle here. Are we to saddle ourselves with colour problems in UK? Attracted by Welfare State. Public opinion in UK won't tolerate it once it gets beyond certain limits."

    Florence Horsbrugh, the minister of education, added that the problem was becoming "serious" in Manchester. David Maxwell-Fyfe, the home secretary, reported that the total of "coloured people" in Britain had risen from 7,000 before the second world war to 40,000 at the time of writing, with 3,666 of those unemployed, and 1,870 on national assistance, or benefits.
     

    7,000 out of what, 50 million?

    If you were born in 1900, or later if you avoided cities, it was possible to live your entire life in the UK without ever seeing a black person (except inevitably on TV).

    Replies: @Paperback Writer, @Dream

    We’ve already had a black Mum for Tiny Tim, in 2019.

    Swear I didn’t know that. But I was on the right track.

    7,000 out of what, 50 million?

    And probably in slums. So the idea of running across one in a Victorian slum, which is where so many of these British series take place, is not insane. Drama often focuses on the weird and exceptional.

    But that’s the thing: presenting blacks as routine in Victorian England is a complete lie.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @Paperback Writer

    What black people there were in say 1930s UK would be concentrated in seaports - East End London, Cardiff, Liverpool - the ports whence ships sailed globally, so not Hull or Dover. Shirley Bassey (born 1937 in Cardiff) had a Nigerian dad, presumably a seaman.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Paperback Writer


    presenting blacks as routine in Victorian England
     
    John Lennon did.


    Pablo Fanque’s Fair



    https://leedsinfocus.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/pablo_fanque.jpg

    https://leedsinfocus.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/being_for_the_benefit_of_mr-_kite_-_2012_reproduction1.jpg

    Replies: @J.Ross

  252. @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
    @Brutusale

    I must say that this is quite the improvement over my recollection of the typical East German "female" athlete.

    A few years ago there was a documentary on the doping of the East German women - as you would expect many were drugged (evidently unwittingly) from their youths with anabolic steroids. One such female shot putter later "became" a man and married an East German female swimmer.

    Replies: @anon, @Brutusale

    I dunno, even though she could probably bench (and definitely squat) more than the average Man of Unz, Kornelia Ender was kinda cute.

  253. @Buzz Mohawk
    @Alden

    I learn a lot by reading here. Thank you. In light of all that, what do you think about the 15-year-old who pulled off the first two quads ever performed in women's Olympic figure skating?

    Is she an evil Tatar slave trader?

    Be careful not to sound like all the people who want you and me to be guilty of whatever nonsense some of our ancestors might have done.

    Replies: @Brutusale, @Alden

    It’s just a fact. A fact is a fact. Dancer Rudolf Nureyev was one. Stalin sent them off to Siberia in the 1930s because their Muslim religion, family structure, ways of making a living, interfered with the plans to create a new Soviet Man and woman presumably.

    They were allowed back in their old homeland in the 1950s. They are extremely good looking if you like high cheekbones. The men still take the boys out in the wilderness for tough survival trips.

  254. @Paperback Writer
    @YetAnotherAnon


    We’ve already had a black Mum for Tiny Tim, in 2019.

     

    Swear I didn't know that. But I was on the right track.

    7,000 out of what, 50 million?
     
    And probably in slums. So the idea of running across one in a Victorian slum, which is where so many of these British series take place, is not insane. Drama often focuses on the weird and exceptional.

    But that's the thing: presenting blacks as routine in Victorian England is a complete lie.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Reg Cæsar

    What black people there were in say 1930s UK would be concentrated in seaports – East End London, Cardiff, Liverpool – the ports whence ships sailed globally, so not Hull or Dover. Shirley Bassey (born 1937 in Cardiff) had a Nigerian dad, presumably a seaman.

  255. @Anonymous
    @Alden


    Approximately 100,000 Irish arrived in the British colonies of N. America in the 1600s. By 1700 Irish were about 40 percent of the White population of the 13 colonies. The Irish have been in America a lot longer than the Slavs.
     
    Irish or Scots Irish?

    Replies: @Alden

    Irish Irish The Scots Irish who arrived in America in the 16oos were transients in Ireland.

    Deported from the southern Scotland northern English border regions by King James the first of England James 6 of Scotland.

    The southern Scots on the border with England had been raiders bandits extortionists kidnappers for ransom forever. Long before Elizabeth one of England died, James 6 was talking to all the English lords and factions making promises to everyone.

    Did you know that Elizabeth 1 did not kill James mother Mary Stuart until James 6 gave her permission?

    One of the major promises James gave to the English before Elizabeth one died is that he would do something about the wild Scots border bandits. Who constantly raided over the border.

    So his decades of lobbying all the factions succeeded. James became King of Scotland and England. He had to keep some if his promises.

    Other promises he totally reneged on.
    He did keep his promises about the Scots bandit tribes right over the border. He had to. If he had not, the Percys, Rutlands and the other northern English warlords would have overthrown him. Because they were sick of the centuries long battle to keep the Scots bandit tribes on the northern side of the border.

    Sooooo.

    King James offered the bandit tribes the opportunity to settle in the English Pale of Settlement in Ireland. And in return the resettled Scots tribe’s would keep the native Irish subdued. The bandit tribes had just one stipulation.

    Instead of confirming to the official church of Ireland/England/Scotland of which the King of England was head; the resettled Scots bandit tribes would be allowed to practice their own insane wanna be Jew version of Christianity known as Calvinism after the crypto Jew who founded that insane version of Christianity.

    So it was agreed. And the Scots bandit tribes went to Ireland to subdue the native Irish for the English.

    But King James betrayed them. As soon as the Calvinist tribes settled down, James ordered them into the official Church of Ireland. And persecuted them for not confirming. So there was a little war between the English army in Ireland and these non confirming wanna be Jew Calvinist Scots.

    Many confirmed to the official Church. Many went off to America.

    But a generation in Ireland doesn’t make a Scot a Scot Irish does it? And after 12 generations in America claiming to be Scots Irish because an ancestor lived in Ireland from 1620 to 1650 seems a little silly.

    King James made promises to every faction. He also promised freedom of religion to Catholics. He reneged on that too. Result was the Guy Fawkes attempted bombing of parliament on the opening day when James and his children would be there.

    Result of that was Catholics were repressed more than under Elizabeth. And the Scots in Ireland wanna Be Jew Calvinism was also repressed. So the Scots moved to America where they could be Calvinists without interference..

    So now you know why your ancestors left Ireland for America. I’m not insulting you or your wanna be Jew Calvinism . My husband the Nordic God is descended from the wild bandit tribes of the Scotch border. So are my children. That’s how the Aldens know about why and how the bandit border tribes were deported first to Ireland and them America.

    Ever listened to the music of Rally to the Bonnie
    Blue Flag? It’s just an Irish jig. Nothing Scots about it. The battle flag is pure Scots with the X St Andrew Cross. Although the Scots living in Ireland hated him because he was a dreaded RC

  256. @Alden
    I was happy to note that Beverly Zu the natural born American citizen who defected to the Chinese skating team has had much hate heaped on her by the Chinese because she came in last.

    Ha ha witch go back to China and stay there.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Bill Jones, @Corvinus, @Paperback Writer, @Paperback Writer

    Here’s a picture of the ungrateful b***h crashing and burning.

    • LOL: Kylie
  257. @Chrisnonymous
    @Anonymous

    Poor Joe Rogan. That $100m paycheck from Spotify got in his head, and he decided to grovel and apologize. Now he's finished. Even if his program stays on the air, he's lost his independence, the reason that people tuned in.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Bill Jones

    Poor Joe Rogan

    Really?

    https://dailycaller.com/2022/02/07/rumble-joe-rogan-100-million-spotify/

    Would that I were that poor.

  258. Watching the Winter Olympics offers rare television entertainment in which vast majority of people are white .
    It’s only brief.. only until the commericals come on then the reality of it being modern America sinks in as black faces take-over the screen.

    • Agree: The Anti-Gnostic
  259. @Alden
    I was happy to note that Beverly Zu the natural born American citizen who defected to the Chinese skating team has had much hate heaped on her by the Chinese because she came in last.

    Ha ha witch go back to China and stay there.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Bill Jones, @Corvinus, @Paperback Writer, @Paperback Writer

    Congratulations. You are the first person I’ve seen with any fucks to give concerning these Games.

    • Replies: @Kylie
    @Bill Jones

    "@Alden
    Congratulations. You are the first person I’ve seen with any fucks to give concerning these Games."

    My Facebook friends and I have been laughing our asses off at that traitor who in a properly run America, would not have had an American citizenship to relinquish in the first place. I haven't watched network or cable TV since 2010 but I am reading enough to be delighted by the some of the Olympic mishaps.

  260. @Abolish_public_education
    @Corvinus

    I don't like any "sport" where judges determine the winner; or points get awarded (or not) for costume.

    Speed/figure skating good/bad.
    Swimming/diving good/bad.

    Shot Put good. Vault bad.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Buffalo Joe

    Abolish, WNY is home to some of the world’s best woman pole vaulter. Beautiful women athletes.

  261. @Steve Sailer
    @JMcG

    Some people do bet on professional wrestling. It sounds weird, but it's like betting on the plot twist in the next superhero movie ... when you think about it, it seems pretty interesting: can you outsmart really creative script writers?

    In general, I'm pro pro wrestling. Fighting is fun to watch, but it's too violent, so fake fighting is a good solution.

    Replies: @JMcG, @OFWHAP, @Feryl

    The pressure to meet modern attention spans though has led to far more moves per match, increasing the rate of injuries. Before about 1995, wrestlers tended to do a lot of stalling, staredowns, extended holds, etc., in order to protect their health. And then combine the increased injuries with painkillers and booze, and you end up with a lot of prematurely broken and dead people.

  262. Not so fast! Welcome to the COVID Hunger Games!
    “Life in the Olympic gulag: Athletes are ‘crying like crazy’ in hellish quarantine with miserable food where ‘hope is dead’ as DOZENS miss out on their events after testing positive and being carted off to isolation camps”
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10484659/China-Winter-Olympics-Athletes-complain-isolation-horror.htmlQ

  263. @Alden
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Approximately 100,000 Irish arrived in the British colonies of N. America in the 1600s. By 1700 Irish were about 40 percent of the White population of the 13 colonies. The Irish have been in America a lot longer than the Slavs.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Clyde

    Approximately 100,000 Irish arrived in the British colonies of N. America in the 1600s. By 1700 Irish were about 40 percent of the White population of the 13 colonies. The Irish have been in America a lot longer than the Slavs

    Were they Protestant Irish? I would think so. We did not want Catholics back then.

  264. @Peter Akuleyev
    @jjbees


    Exile all criminals to foreign countries or Alaska, or ensure they don’t have children, to remove future criminals from the gene pool (as we know, behavior is genetic in origin!)
     
    If we had done that consistently in the 19th and 20th centuries, there would far, far fewer Italian, Irish and Jewish Americans in the US today.

    Replies: @Alden, @peterike

    If we had done that consistently in the 19th and 20th centuries, there would far, far fewer Italian, Irish and Jewish Americans in the US today.

    So? Sounds like all upside to me.

  265. @Alden
    I was happy to note that Beverly Zu the natural born American citizen who defected to the Chinese skating team has had much hate heaped on her by the Chinese because she came in last.

    Ha ha witch go back to China and stay there.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Bill Jones, @Corvinus, @Paperback Writer, @Paperback Writer

    That’s very UNCHRISTIAN of you to say. Why does hate control your heart?

    • Replies: @Neil Templeton
    @Corvinus

    I don't think Alden is hateful. Honest, most likely.

    Replies: @Corvinus

  266. I’m watching the coverage with the sound off. Seems to me that they’ve almost given up on the woke shit. It’s the White People’s Olympics, deal with it.

    I’m OK with that. It’s OK to have a White Olympics.

    (Might be because we’re so bereft of medals at this point.)

  267. @Brutusale
    @Buzz Mohawk

    It must be nice to be at a level of excellence where you can actually stumble out of a jump and still beat your nearest competitor by about 30 points.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hda3vvmqQHQ

    Of course, it's a jump that no woman had done in competition.

    What's it like to be named checked as the greatest ever at something when you're 15 years old?

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    I pay attention to figure skating once every 4 to 8 years – I’m amazed at the quantum leap (sorry) in ability. Quads? Time was females couldn’t do triple axels, except squat little Tonya Harding and even she was hit or miss. Wow. Mad respect to them.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    @Paperback Writer

    I'm old enough to remember watching Peggy Fleming win the gold medal.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pw9XZAA72lw

    What stands out isn't just the jumps, it's how fast the modern skaters are going.

    , @Rosie
    @Paperback Writer

    The Russians are going to lose their gold medal because of trace amounts of trimetazidine found in Valieva's test back in December. I might sort of GAF but for the fact that you can be a man and compete against women in women’s competitions, fair and square. I guess we'll have to wait for "transwomen" to see legit quads in "women’s figure skating." Won't that be lovely?

    No matter. Nothing can take away the feeling of transcendence one gets watching her perform.

  268. @Alden
    I was happy to note that Beverly Zu the natural born American citizen who defected to the Chinese skating team has had much hate heaped on her by the Chinese because she came in last.

    Ha ha witch go back to China and stay there.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Bill Jones, @Corvinus, @Paperback Writer, @Paperback Writer

    Zu may have crashed but Gu won.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Paperback Writer


    Zu may have crashed...
     
    The New Zu Revue.

    ...but Gu won.
     
    Gu Won, or Nguyen?


    Nam Nguyen struggles at nationals a week after contracting COVID-19

    Here's Mr Nguyen in White Russia a decade ago:


    https://youtu.be/Oiqng7hKju8

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

  269. @Canadian Observer
    @Altai

    Most of the Canadian and American female hockey players are loud, outspoken butches. But I get your point...

    Replies: @Brutusale

    Especially loud when they get hurt.

    Compare and contrast.

    “My leg really hurts. I’d better get it checked…after my shift!’

  270. @Paperback Writer
    @Brutusale

    I pay attention to figure skating once every 4 to 8 years - I'm amazed at the quantum leap (sorry) in ability. Quads? Time was females couldn't do triple axels, except squat little Tonya Harding and even she was hit or miss. Wow. Mad respect to them.

    Replies: @Brutusale, @Rosie

    I’m old enough to remember watching Peggy Fleming win the gold medal.

    What stands out isn’t just the jumps, it’s how fast the modern skaters are going.

  271. @jjbees
    Off topic,

    Infrequent commenter (every 2-3 years or so), but this really made me think:

    https://www.foxnews.com/us/baltimore-patterson-high-school-reading-levels-elementary

    77% of high school students (adults) reading at a kindergarten level?
    These schools have millions of dollars, and no results.

    Why are Americans so stupid? Why do we ignore the obvious?

    The United States has a serious human capital problem. As we know, human capital is largely genetic. We can continue to deny this, and shout "We need to fix education! We need to fix health care!" until we are blue in the face, when the plain truth is we need more high functioning humans and less poorly functioning ones.

    The United States has long been the home to a large "smart fraction" of highly competent leaders (I call this the "peak human capital" or "top 10 %", but "smart fraction" works just as well) in business, science, etc. and this is a good thing, but we have neglected "average" human capital.

    A large part of what makes society nice is having high average human capital, so that the average person isn't very poor, unhealthy, stupid, aggressive, criminal, etc.

    The failures we see now in crime, homelessness, drug addiction, illiteracy among schoolchildren, cities being unlivable, people being ungovernable, all stem from the same problem- the continual and accelerating decline in average human capital in the U.S.

    I haven't seen much policy from either republicans or democrats that would do the one thing that would save the united states - increase average human capital.

    Simple policy measures:

    -Close borders to countries with low IQ, low income, low standards of living, high crime, high disease burden, these are all indicators of low quality human beings you do NOT want in your country
    -Implement some sort of social policy to disincentivize low quality citizens from having children (mandatory birth control, institutionalization, etc.)
    -Incentivize high quality citizens to have children
    -Exile all criminals to foreign countries or Alaska, or ensure they don't have children, to remove future criminals from the gene pool (as we know, behavior is genetic in origin!)

    By increasing average human capital, you make the USA a nice place to live. The countries that are nice to live in have high *average* human capital - if your car breaks down you want someone to pull over and help you fix it - that's a good country - in a bad one you worry about wandering drug addict zombies seeing you vulnerable and robbing you - that's california and the west coast (and the rest of the U.S. in a few short years).

    This isn't a prediction. This is the present. We are living it. The USA is a "developing" (just a euphemism for shithole with low average human capital) country with corrupt, stupid, criminal citizens. We let them in! We let them live here! We let them have children! We pay for them to bully us and make life worse in thousands of little ways every day - and we want MORE!

    We need every sane person standing on the rooftop shouting, "THEY'RE LOOTING THE F***ING TRAINS!"

    Replies: @Lurker, @Anonymous, @Peter Akuleyev, @David Davenport

    i.-Implement some sort of social policy to disincentivize low quality citizens from having children (mandatory birth control, institutionalization, etc.)

    In other words, open more Planned Parenthood clinics in the appropriate parts of your town and mine.

  272. @Anonymous
    @Reg Cæsar


    Nobody in my 99% white village is paying attention to them. They’re wasting their money.
     
    I bet that’s what some of the Gauls thought when Julius Caesar was marching through. An individual or little village cannot withstand a machine. It takes mass collective action.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    An individual or little village cannot withstand a machine. It takes mass collective action.

    Yeah, right. “An individual or little village [the voters of Arkansas] cannot withstand a machine [the ACLU]. It takes mass collective action [the Moral Majority].”

    Our race isn’t wired for “mass collective action”. We are not ants. Find another way.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Reg Cæsar


    Our race isn’t wired for “mass collective action”
     
    Are you aware of the last few thousand years of human history? Even in the example I just gave, it was the Romans who defeated the unorganized Gauls.

    The Yamnaya who roared out of the Russian steppes had a good run, replacing everyone else in Europe. They were great at collective action.

    We are a social species. We’re not ants but we’re not loners either. We live and die in a political society. Politics is life.

    Replies: @anon

  273. @Paperback Writer
    @Alden

    Zu may have crashed but Gu won.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Zu may have crashed…

    The New Zu Revue.

    …but Gu won.

    Gu Won, or Nguyen?

    Nam Nguyen struggles at nationals a week after contracting COVID-19

    Here’s Mr Nguyen in White Russia a decade ago:

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @Reg Cæsar

    Then there's the Zoo story. Ionesco? Remember when Romanians wrote plays?

  274. @Paperback Writer
    @YetAnotherAnon


    We’ve already had a black Mum for Tiny Tim, in 2019.

     

    Swear I didn't know that. But I was on the right track.

    7,000 out of what, 50 million?
     
    And probably in slums. So the idea of running across one in a Victorian slum, which is where so many of these British series take place, is not insane. Drama often focuses on the weird and exceptional.

    But that's the thing: presenting blacks as routine in Victorian England is a complete lie.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Reg Cæsar

    presenting blacks as routine in Victorian England

    John Lennon did.

    Pablo Fanque’s Fair

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Reg Cæsar

    That's not routine, that's extraordinary, which is correct.

  275. @Reg Cæsar
    @Paperback Writer


    Zu may have crashed...
     
    The New Zu Revue.

    ...but Gu won.
     
    Gu Won, or Nguyen?


    Nam Nguyen struggles at nationals a week after contracting COVID-19

    Here's Mr Nguyen in White Russia a decade ago:


    https://youtu.be/Oiqng7hKju8

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    Then there’s the Zoo story. Ionesco? Remember when Romanians wrote plays?

  276. Anonymous[192] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reg Cæsar
    @Anonymous


    An individual or little village cannot withstand a machine. It takes mass collective action.
     
    Yeah, right. "An individual or little village [the voters of Arkansas] cannot withstand a machine [the ACLU]. It takes mass collective action [the Moral Majority]."


    Our race isn't wired for "mass collective action". We are not ants. Find another way.

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/01/05/11/23010634-7853617-image-a-52_1578224789745.jpg

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Our race isn’t wired for “mass collective action”

    Are you aware of the last few thousand years of human history? Even in the example I just gave, it was the Romans who defeated the unorganized Gauls.

    The Yamnaya who roared out of the Russian steppes had a good run, replacing everyone else in Europe. They were great at collective action.

    We are a social species. We’re not ants but we’re not loners either. We live and die in a political society. Politics is life.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Anonymous

    Indeed primates are a social species. The concept of libertarianism, individualism is a recent, modern construct.

  277. @Corvinus
    @Alden

    That’s very UNCHRISTIAN of you to say. Why does hate control your heart?

    Replies: @Neil Templeton

    I don’t think Alden is hateful. Honest, most likely.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Neil Templeton

    Honest in her hatefulness, absolutely. Are you Christian?

  278. @Bill Jones
    @Alden

    Congratulations. You are the first person I've seen with any fucks to give concerning these Games.

    Replies: @Kylie


    Congratulations. You are the first person I’ve seen with any fucks to give concerning these Games.”

    My Facebook friends and I have been laughing our asses off at that traitor who in a properly run America, would not have had an American citizenship to relinquish in the first place. I haven’t watched network or cable TV since 2010 but I am reading enough to be delighted by the some of the Olympic mishaps.

  279. @Buzz Mohawk
    @Feryl


    Figure skating is a joke, Broadway theater masquerading as an athletic competition. Summer gymnastics events generally require acrobatic agility, strength, and power, so they are more legit. Figure skaters however generally don’t even look that fit, which ought to tell you something.
     
    Man are you wrong! Can you do what they do? No, of course you can't.

    Besides, women figure skaters are some of the sexiest athletic creatures on the planet.


    https://i.pinimg.com/736x/a0/cc/78/a0cc7832f0f000594f680ad2a7281d38--kim-yuna-figure-skating-dresses.jpg

    Replies: @PaceLaw, @Buffalo Joe, @The Ringmaster

    Women figure skaters are far more feminine than women from pick-your-sport, more or less.

  280. @R.G. Camara
    @International Jew

    "You just finished a marathon? Good. Now take this shotgun and hit a clay pigeon."

    Replies: @J.Ross

    Forced march and then engagement. An example of actual, non-confected military practice “played” as a sport. See also javelin throwing and horse racing.

  281. @Reg Cæsar
    @Paperback Writer


    presenting blacks as routine in Victorian England
     
    John Lennon did.


    Pablo Fanque’s Fair



    https://leedsinfocus.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/pablo_fanque.jpg

    https://leedsinfocus.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/being_for_the_benefit_of_mr-_kite_-_2012_reproduction1.jpg

    Replies: @J.Ross

    That’s not routine, that’s extraordinary, which is correct.

  282. @Anonymous
    Having observed the demographics and overall level of attractiveness of the Winter Olympic athletes: imagine what the world would look like if a meteor shower hit Earth and killed everyone except the athletes inhabiting the Olympic village in Beijing -- and then, like Noah, they had to repopulate Earth with their progeny. What a beautiful world that would be!

    Replies: @Jack P

    It really would. Mostly white, a bit Asian, almost everyone healthy and attractive.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Jack P


    a bit Asian,
     
    really? maybe a good slice...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Japanese_female_single_skaters

    former asian skaters go places dont you know;
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michelle_Kwan
  283. @Neil Templeton
    @Corvinus

    I don't think Alden is hateful. Honest, most likely.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    Honest in her hatefulness, absolutely. Are you Christian?

  284. @Alden
    I was happy to note that Beverly Zu the natural born American citizen who defected to the Chinese skating team has had much hate heaped on her by the Chinese because she came in last.

    Ha ha witch go back to China and stay there.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Bill Jones, @Corvinus, @Paperback Writer, @Paperback Writer

    I don’t understand- the DM sez she gave up her American citizenship. Did Eileen Gu?

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10484729/US-born-Chinese-figure-skater-Zhu-Yi-falls-breaks-tears.html

  285. @Mike Tre
    Looks like Joe Rogan is starting to cuck, and spotify is accepting his apology by removing his podcasts from their platform

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/rogan-apologizes-using-n-word-spotify-removes-113-jre-episodes-no-explanation

    Negroes shout the word nigger countless times a day, in their music, their social media, when just going about their daily dysfunctional lives. Rogan speaks the word when merely discussing the word but now he himself says that is wrong and it shouldn't be used (by whites.) Issues an embarrassing apology for saying it not yesterday, but years ago. I don't care how many people he can beat up, he's a another goddamned coward.

    What kind of childish society are we that we literally ban words and ruin lives over them.

    Replies: @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia

    Looks like Joe Rogan is starting to cuck

    Remember the Seinfeld episode, when Elaine goes on a date with Jerry’s friend and says, “he took…it….out”??

    Rogan had taken the ticket. He took the ticket. He took…..it…..out. Yessirree Bob.

  286. @JimDandy
    @Alfa158

    It's only going to get worse. It's inevitable that The New York Times will eventually get around to writing a searing series on the white supremacy of ski culture. Blacks will be allowed to ski for free, so paying customers will have to bear the brunt of it.

    Replies: @Jack P

    That’s already kind of happened. After the death of George Floyd, the winter sports industry put all this “diversity” garbage on their websites, trying to root out “racism”, etc. So there are programs to give mud kids free ski time, pay for training as ski instructors, etc.

    Hopefully it’s all for naught, as those people did not evolve for snow and ice and probably won’t stick with it.

  287. @Reg Cæsar
    @Paperback Writer


    This has been mentioned repeatedly but again: why must there be a black character is every story, including the ones that take place in the 19th century?
     
    A new Kwik Trip commercial is preceding our informational videos. It's long, and features a thin white mother and her four mulatto children, with a late cameo appearance by her black husband. It's not short, either.

    Kwik Trip, based in La Crosse, operates stores only in Wisconsin and Minnesota and, as Kwik Star, in Iowa. And not in every corner of those states; they deliver fresh meals daily to every store and thus keep to a tight radius from their HQ. (Basically the gas station equivalent of Culver's, before the latter's recent expansion.)

    The demographics of this area outside the Twin Cities metro-- and they avoid the inner cities-- is as white or whiter than England, and "non-white" will mean Hmong as much as anything else.

    This commercial is so alien to their core market that it must be from some new, urban agency. Perhaps the one who did the Cheerios ad that irked people back in 2013? Their previous ads feature real people, but these folks are way to professional and choreographed for that.

    These news reports would work better as spots; they are certainly more representative:


    https://youtu.be/mxnQioRA_w4

    https://youtu.be/8A_PPr-Df0g

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Jack P

    Sounds like a boycott is in order. Put your money where your mouth is and tell your friends. And then call the company to let them know why.

  288. @Bardon Kaldian
    @Feryl


    Figure skating is a joke
     
    Figure skating is one of the pinnacles of body creativity & virtuosity.

    Replies: @bike-anarkist

    … but not a “sport”! Sports/athletics need some sort of measurement, not judgement, to give value to the event. Games end 3-0, or a dash is 9.8 seconds, or a high jump at 2.1 metres. I feel similarly towards Gymnastics… it needs judgement, not a definitive outcome, so NOT a sport.

    Ballet on skates… why isn’t ballet in the summer Olympics?
    It’s high physical fitness and creativity, but without the brokered judgements at the end.

  289. @Corvinus
    @Feryl

    “Figure skating is a joke, Broadway theater masquerading as an athletic competition”

    More like artistic poetry in motion with lithe and limber bodies showcasing technical prowess.

    Replies: @Abolish_public_education, @bike-anarkist

    … but not a “sport”! Sports/athletics need some sort of measurement, not judgement, to give value to the event. Games end 3-0, or a dash is 9.8 seconds, or a high jump at 2.1 metres. I feel similarly towards Gymnastics… it needs judgement, not a definitive outcome, so NOT a sport.

    Figure skating = Ballet on skates… why isn’t ballet in the summer Olympics?
    It’s high physical fitness and creativity, but without the brokered judgements at the end.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    @bike-anarkist


    Figure skating = Ballet on skates… why isn’t ballet in the summer Olympics?
    It’s high physical fitness and creativity, but without the brokered judgements at the end.
     
    It is.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3gaOrLZsys
    , @Corvinus
    @bike-anarkist

    Figure skating is definitely a sport—an activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others for entertainment. It requires high levels of athleticism and years of training. Of course figure skating has quantitative and subjective elements to it, but that fact does not negate its competitive aspects.

  290. @Paperback Writer
    @Brutusale

    I pay attention to figure skating once every 4 to 8 years - I'm amazed at the quantum leap (sorry) in ability. Quads? Time was females couldn't do triple axels, except squat little Tonya Harding and even she was hit or miss. Wow. Mad respect to them.

    Replies: @Brutusale, @Rosie

    The Russians are going to lose their gold medal because of trace amounts of trimetazidine found in Valieva’s test back in December. I might sort of GAF but for the fact that you can be a man and compete against women in women’s competitions, fair and square. I guess we’ll have to wait for “transwomen” to see legit quads in “women’s figure skating.” Won’t that be lovely?

    No matter. Nothing can take away the feeling of transcendence one gets watching her perform.

  291. Thanks. I just read about that.

    Gonna bet that it won’t happen because the Russians and the Chinese are this close now.

    But what do I know? We’ll see. Catch you later.

  292. @bike-anarkist
    @Corvinus

    ... but not a "sport"! Sports/athletics need some sort of measurement, not judgement, to give value to the event. Games end 3-0, or a dash is 9.8 seconds, or a high jump at 2.1 metres. I feel similarly towards Gymnastics... it needs judgement, not a definitive outcome, so NOT a sport.

    Figure skating = Ballet on skates... why isn't ballet in the summer Olympics?
    It's high physical fitness and creativity, but without the brokered judgements at the end.

    Replies: @Brutusale, @Corvinus

    Figure skating = Ballet on skates… why isn’t ballet in the summer Olympics?
    It’s high physical fitness and creativity, but without the brokered judgements at the end.

    It is.

  293. @E. Rekshun
    @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    tough as nails Canadian farm boys who grew up playing pond hockey

    Loved the movie Youngblood.

    Replies: @Jack P

    Me too! Had a lot of stars before they got big-time.

  294. @bike-anarkist
    @Corvinus

    ... but not a "sport"! Sports/athletics need some sort of measurement, not judgement, to give value to the event. Games end 3-0, or a dash is 9.8 seconds, or a high jump at 2.1 metres. I feel similarly towards Gymnastics... it needs judgement, not a definitive outcome, so NOT a sport.

    Figure skating = Ballet on skates... why isn't ballet in the summer Olympics?
    It's high physical fitness and creativity, but without the brokered judgements at the end.

    Replies: @Brutusale, @Corvinus

    Figure skating is definitely a sport—an activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others for entertainment. It requires high levels of athleticism and years of training. Of course figure skating has quantitative and subjective elements to it, but that fact does not negate its competitive aspects.

  295. @Anonymous
    @Reg Cæsar


    Our race isn’t wired for “mass collective action”
     
    Are you aware of the last few thousand years of human history? Even in the example I just gave, it was the Romans who defeated the unorganized Gauls.

    The Yamnaya who roared out of the Russian steppes had a good run, replacing everyone else in Europe. They were great at collective action.

    We are a social species. We’re not ants but we’re not loners either. We live and die in a political society. Politics is life.

    Replies: @anon

    Indeed primates are a social species. The concept of libertarianism, individualism is a recent, modern construct.

  296. @Jack P
    @Anonymous

    It really would. Mostly white, a bit Asian, almost everyone healthy and attractive.

    Replies: @Anon

    a bit Asian,

    really? maybe a good slice…

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Japanese_female_single_skaters

    former asian skaters go places dont you know;
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michelle_Kwan

  297. @Feryl
    @Altai

    The emphasis on pain staking concentration, repetitious mastery of technique, and duh, cold weather, all select for Northern European/North Asian minds and bodies. A combination of hardiness and nerdiness, if you will. Austerity of the landscape and the mind.

    And it should go without saying that post-industrial revolution, ice people have dominated to a greater degree than ever before and the Winter Olympics require and reveal the traits that make such success possible.

    Replies: @Dream

    North Europeans and North Asians could not be more different from one another, in both mind and body.

  298. @YetAnotherAnon
    @Paperback Writer

    "Don’t give us A Christmas Carol with a black Jacob Marley (I’m positive it’s coming)."

    We've already had a black Mum for Tiny Tim, in 2019. That's probably what started Covid ;-)

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/hamilton-the-obama-administration-on-stage/#comment-4021101


    The BBC’s A Christmas Carol last year (i.e. 2019) featured a black Mrs Cratchit, who Scrooge lusted after. I can’t remember that (the blackness or the lusting) being in Dickens.

    https://images.immediate.co.uk/production/volatile/sites/3/2019/12/Vinette-Robinson-as-Mary-Cratchit-in-A-Christmas-Carol-d82ec39.jpg

    I know you’re supposed to suspend disbelief, but come on.

    The writer is Steven Knight, whose TV series Peaky Blinders, a fantasy about an imaginary 1920s gang of Irish Brummies, also featured black gang members. He seems to specialise in retro-fitting black people into past times the way Andrew Davies retro-fits sex and nudity into Jane Austen. Steve has a better phrase to describe the retro-fitting which escapes me at the moment.
     

    "There were a few blacks in Victorian England"

    Very very few. Here's the Guardian report of a 1951 British Cabinet meeting discussing what were then called "coloured people".

    https://web.archive.org/web/20141005145016/http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2007/aug/06/past.politics


    The prime minister (Churchill) began the discussion, saying: "Problems wh. will arise if many coloured people settle here. Are we to saddle ourselves with colour problems in UK? Attracted by Welfare State. Public opinion in UK won't tolerate it once it gets beyond certain limits."

    Florence Horsbrugh, the minister of education, added that the problem was becoming "serious" in Manchester. David Maxwell-Fyfe, the home secretary, reported that the total of "coloured people" in Britain had risen from 7,000 before the second world war to 40,000 at the time of writing, with 3,666 of those unemployed, and 1,870 on national assistance, or benefits.
     

    7,000 out of what, 50 million?

    If you were born in 1900, or later if you avoided cities, it was possible to live your entire life in the UK without ever seeing a black person (except inevitably on TV).

    Replies: @Paperback Writer, @Dream

    Does coloured stand for only blacks or all non-whites?

  299. @JMcG
    @Altai

    When I was a boy, I was amazed at the ski jumpers. It looked as though they were 70 or 80 feet above the ground mid-jump. When I actually visited an Olympic ski-jump I was floored to see that they were just 10-15 feet high while flying.

    Replies: @Liza

    However, in ski flying (considered a branch of ski jumping) they reach a height of 30 feet or so. Still, I know what you mean. They photograph the jumpers to make it look as if they are way, way up.

    I wonder how people first train to do do this sport, i.e., is there a bunny hill for ski jumpers or what.

  300. @njguy73
    @AndrewR

    Fun fact: Princess Anne was the only female athlete at the 1976 Games to have exempted from a sex test.

    Replies: @Liza

    Fun fact: Anne’s father Prince Philip was reported to have stated, about Anne, to a friend of his that “If it doesn’t eat grass and phart, she’s not interested.” I guess that is old news but maybe some of you here haven’t heard it before.

    • LOL: JMcG

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