It’s hard to believe in the present day, but yes, it’s true, there are still a lot of Christians out there in the world. According to some estimates, they number around 2.4 billion or about 30% of humanity. In terms of sheer numbers, the US technically has the most: about 245 million, representing around 75% of the country—although many of these undoubtedly are so weakly religious (“Christmas and Easter Christians”) that they would barely pass any theological litmus test. The next three largest Christian populations are hardly an honor roll (Brazil, Mexico, and Russia), and the countries that, percentage-wise, are the most Christian, are mostly laughable: East Timor, Armenia, New Guinea, Haiti, and Paraguay, among the Top Ten.
Obviously, there is a huge variety in specific beliefs among these millions of Christians. The World Christian Encyclopedia infamously notes that, globally, there are some 33,000 “distinct denominations” of the Church, including 242 Catholic, 9,000 Protestant, and over 22,000 “independent.” We can only imagine the variation in beliefs among these groups—and of course, only one (at most!) can be right. I’d hate to pick the wrong one! (Do I hear, “Going to hell,” anyone?)
But presumably they all must share at least a few core beliefs, simply in order to call themselves Christian. We can guess what these might be: (1) there exists a personal, moral God who loves us; (2) believers will prosper in the afterlife and non-believers will suffer; and (3) Jesus is the son of God and humanity’s redeemer and personal savior. Likely there are others—the Bible (or at least part of it) is the word of God, the Gospels (whichever ones we include) record Jesus’ life and teachings, and so on—but I will set these aside for now). Here I will focus on “the Man”: Jesus of Nazareth (or is it Jesus of Bethlehem? Those darn Gospel writers can’t seem to keep their story straight.
First, I should note that there is a high likelihood that no such man ever existed. We can say this with confidence because there is no—literally, zero—contemporaneous evidence for his existence, either as a miracle-working Son of God, or even as a rather ordinary rabbi. We can understand the latter case—most ordinary rabbis from 2,000 years ago are lost to history—but not the former. If Jesus was anything close to the miracle-worker that the Bible describes, there would be a mountain of testifying evidence: documents, carvings, engravings, letters, etc. And these would exist from his followers, his skeptics, his critics, and the Romans who ruled the region. There would be a vast and well-documented account of a man who walked on water, raised the dead, healed with a touch, calmed storms, and fed thousands with “five loaves of bread and two fish.” These testimonies would all date to the time of his alleged ministry, roughly, 27 to 30 AD. And yet, from that time period, we have… nothing.
In fact, nothing even close. In fact, nothing for literally decades. According to conventional dating, the earliest reference of any kind is in the letters of Paul, the earliest of which—Galatians and First Thessalonians—date to around 50 AD, two full decades after our man got crucified. The rest of Paul’s letters, intermixed with a few fraudulent ones attributed to him, appear between 50 and 70 AD, by which time (a) Paul had died, and (b) the Jews were defeated in Jerusalem by the Romans, and their temple destroyed.
Only then did some other Jews—presumably followers of Paul—decide to write about Jesus’ life and sayings in their “gospels.” The gospel writers are formally anonymous; we know nothing about who they are, their motives, or the circumstances. The names attached (Mark, Matthew, Luke, John) mean nothing; it would be like saying “Bob’s Novel” or “Joe’s Cookbook.” But based on textual evidence, scholars can roughly date the Gospel of Mark to around the year 70; Matthew and Luke to 85; and John to 95. We can only imagine how much veracity they contain, given that they claim to quote Jesus precisely and cite details of his life, 40, 50, or 60 or more years after his death. The obvious answer is: not much!
The likeliest conclusion to this mess is that the Jew Paul and the anonymous Jewish gospel writers made it all up: that there was no miracle-working Son of God, no virgin birth, and no resurrection. They did so, not for fame or money, but because they believed that promulgating a pro-Jewish, anti-Roman theology would aid the Jewish cause. (Pro-Jewish, because the Christians are to worship the Jewish God, the Jewish rabbi Jesus, and the Jewish ‘virgin’ Mary; anti-Roman, because “the worldly powers” of Rome are a manifestation of Satan and must be defeated.[1]Yes, there are two or three references to “render unto Caesar” and “pay your taxes” and “love thy enemy”, but these few are far outnumbered, numerically and in theological importance, by rebellious and anti-Roman passages.) And in the end, it did. Judeo-Christianity flourished, ideologically defeated Rome, and then took up residence in Rome itself. “Without doubt, Rome has been conquered,” as Nietzsche said.[2]On the Genealogy of Morals I.16.
But to the point: Although there is no direct evidence for either a miracle-Jesus or a rabbi-Jesus, I suspect that some such man by that description did live, and die, in Judea. And the reason is simply this: Since Paul and friends claimed something as true—a miracle-Jesus—that certainly did not exist, and that they knew did not exist, they were liars. Whether they were ‘noble’ liars or malicious liars, I will leave to another time. But liars they were. And any lie works best with a kernel of truth. Therefore, I consider it likely that an ordinary mortal, the rabbi Jesus, did live, likely did agitate on behalf of the oppressed Jews, and likely did get himself crucified—end of story.
So let’s assume that a mortal Jesus did exist. What, then, do we know about him? Virtually nothing for certain. Apart from a few tidbits from Paul, literally everything that we think we know about him comes from the highly-dubious four Gospels; there simply is no other source. And in the Gospels, we find a striking claim: Jesus was a Jew.
“Wait a minute!” says the Christian, with alarm. “Jesus can’t be a Jew! He’s the original Christian—the ur-Christian, we might say. He can’t possibly be a Jew!” Indeed—many Christians, both in the past and today, have attempted to argue that Jesus was a non-Jew, a Gentile, even an Aryan. They seemingly cannot bear the thought that their beloved Savior might be a Jew, and that therefore they must worship a Jew. And yet, all the evidence says he was.
In fact, the evidence suggests that Jesus was a double-Jew: ethnically and religiously.[3]Recall that these are two distinct categories: one can be ethnically (genetically) Jewish yet not adhere to Judaism, or one can be a non-Jewish (Gentile) follower of the Jewish religion. Let’s first see what it says in the Gospels themselves (which Christians must believe!).
Start with his mother, the “virgin” Mary; she clearly was a Jewess. Mary was a blood relative of Elizabeth, of the tribe of Levi (Luke 1:5, 1:36). When Jesus was born, she, along with Joseph, “performed everything according to the [Jewish] law of the Lord” (Luke 2:39). And she and Joseph attended Passover services in Jerusalem “every year” (Luke 2:41). Since Mary was a Jew, this alone makes Jesus a Jew (on the orthodox reading) because Jewishness is matrilineal, being passed along by the mother; if you are born of a Jewess, you are a Jew.
What about Jesus’ father? Let’s set aside the nonsense about God being his father, which is nothing more than regurgitated Homeric mythology about demi-gods on Earth. Joseph was of the “House of David,” as Luke (1:27) informs us. And as noted above, Joseph rigorously followed Jewish law and attended Passover annually. He was clearly an observant Jew, and (presumably) the biological father of Jesus.
Paul obviously thought Jesus was a Jew. In the early Galatians (4:4) he says that Jesus was “born under the [Jewish] law,” and in Romans (9:5), he declares his own Jewishness (“my kinsmen by race…are Israelites”), adding that “of their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ.”
Likewise, the Gospel writers clearly viewed their Savior as a Jew. Jesus is repeatedly called ‘rabbi’.[4]Mark 9:5, 11:21, 14:45; Matt 26:25; John 1:38, 1:49; 3:2. He was circumcised (Luke 2:21) and celebrated Passover (John 2:13). The Gospel of Matthew opens with these words: “The book of the genealogy of Jesus Christ, son of David, son of Abraham.” Even the non-gospel Hebrews remarks that “it is evident that our Lord was descended from Judah” (7:14). Jesus regularly attended the local synagogue (Luke 4:16). He himself told the people that he came “to fulfill the [Jewish] law and the [Jewish] prophets” (Matt 5:17). And of course, everyone thought of him as “king of the Jews” (Matt 2:2; John 19:3).
It could hardly be clearer: both by genetic heritage and according to his evident beliefs and practices, Jesus was a Jew. He was a biological Jew—surely embodying all those wonderful Jewish phenotypical characteristics—and he was a religious Jew.
The few Christians willing to engage with this issue and to defend a non-Jewish Jesus typically offer one of two responses. First, “Jesus was from Galilee, and Galilee was a Gentile stronghold.” But this is a persistent myth, propagated by those averse to the notion of a Jewish Jesus. Over 100 years ago, E. W. Masterson wrote of a “Jewish Galilee,” one that was “hemmed in on all sides by hostile [Gentile] neighbors”.[5]“Galilee in the time of Christ,” Biblical World 32(6). More recently, we now have such works as The Myth of a Gentile Galilee (2002) by Mark Chancey, who acknowledges the stubborn idea but notes “how little data there is to support such a claim [of a Gentile Galilee].” Archeological evidence from Nazareth is scarce, but what we do have shows “evidence for Jewish inhabitants at several sites, [but] very little evidence for Gentiles.” Of the major, nearby town of Sepphoris, evidence of Gentiles is “extremely limited” during Jesus’ life; by contrast, says Chancey, there is “ample evidence” of Jews there at that time. In sum, while not denying that some Gentiles lived there, evidence for them is “practically invisible”; and as a confirmation, Chancey notes that Gentiles “are not prominent in literary discussions of Galilee either”.[6]Such as by Josephus.
Despite all this, some on the dissident-right, such as Internet bad-boy Andrew Anglin, who, despite his trenchant and humorous critiques of Jews, periodically displays his (apparently sincere) Christianity, occasionally railing against those who dare assert that Jesus was a Jew. Nick Fuentes dodges the question when put to him, saying “Jesus fulfills the law” and that the Jews “who remain” held on to “old sacrifices and old ways of doing things,” ultimately becoming “Talmudic Jews.” Obviously Jesus had no chance to become a Talmudic Jew, given that the Jerusalem Talmud was not written until the 300s (in Galilee!) and the Babylonian Talmud not until the year 500. Thus, despite the evidence, both men cling to their myth of a Gentile Jesus even as they (rightly) condemn Jewish domination and corruption in present-day society.
The second defense one occasionally sees is both contorted and confused: that the teachings of the Old Testament represent “true” religion and that the Hebrews deviated from this true path, degenerating into a rabbinical and ultimately Talmudic Judaism. But Jesus, they say, adhered to the true, original teachings, to the Law and the prophets—later to be called “Christianity”—thus putting him into conflict with the fallen and erroneous Jews. This essentially admits that Jesus was an ethnic Jew, but that, implicitly, it is irrelevant. Furthermore, it overlooks the fact that the Talmud, and later documents like the Shulchan Aruch, are elaborations on Old Testament teachings, not deviations from it.[7]For a good assessment of both the Talmud and the Shulchan Aruch, see E. Bischoff, The Book of the Shulchan Aruch (2023; Clemens & Blair). But the main point is that simply because Jesus (the Jew) had (alleged) conflicts with other elite Jews, this does not mean that he wasn’t an ethnic Jew, and it doesn’t mean that he adhered to any “true” religion distinct from Judaism.
The Consequences
The implications of this short exposé are devastating for Christians and Christianity. Given the total lack of corroborating evidence, we can say with certainty that the miracle-man Jesus did not exist; therefore, Christianity is a farce and the Gospels are at least half fiction. If they contain even a shred of truth, then Jesus was an ordinary Jew whose life mission was to validate Old Testament prophecies and “fulfill the Law,” thus saving his fellow Jews from the evil Romans. In this case, Christians need to admit that they are worshipping a long-dead ordinary Jew who has no ability whatsoever to “save their souls.” Finally, in the case that there was no Jesus character at all, then Paul and the Gospel Jews are flat-out liars and need to be viewed with total contempt.
Any way we look at it, it’s bad news for Christians. Under any plausible scenario, they have been duped into believing in a long-dead Jewish rabbi and his fake sayings—all constructed, years after the fact, by a handful of Jews interested in undermining the hated Romans, and indeed all Gentiles.
“But what would we do without Jesus?” cry the believers. How about this: Build your life and your worldview around basic, universal, and age-old ethical ideals; defend and protect the Earth, which sustains all life; defend human dignity against corrupters, liars, and deceivers; work toward a transparent, human-scale society; spend time with your children and grandchildren; and celebrate the accomplishments of human creativity and the human spirit without yielding to Judaic nonsense.
Just for starters.
Thomas Dalton, PhD, has authored or edited several books and articles on politics and history, with a special focus on National Socialism. His latest works include Classic Essays on the Jewish Question, The Steep Climb, and a new translation of For My Legionnaires. He has also recently published the definitive critique Unmasking Anne Frank, and a new edition of political cartoons, Pan-Judah! All these books are available at www.clemensandblair.com, and at his personal website www.thomasdaltonphd.com.
Notes
[1] Yes, there are two or three references to “render unto Caesar” and “pay your taxes” and “love thy enemy”, but these few are far outnumbered, numerically and in theological importance, by rebellious and anti-Roman passages.
[2] On the Genealogy of Morals I.16.
[3] Recall that these are two distinct categories: one can be ethnically (genetically) Jewish yet not adhere to Judaism, or one can be a non-Jewish (Gentile) follower of the Jewish religion.
[4] Mark 9:5, 11:21, 14:45; Matt 26:25; John 1:38, 1:49; 3:2.
[5] “Galilee in the time of Christ,” Biblical World 32(6).
[6] Such as by Josephus.
[7] For a good assessment of both the Talmud and the Shulchan Aruch, see E. Bischoff, The Book of the Shulchan Aruch (2023; Clemens & Blair).
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There is no greater proof that Jews are the most conniving, duplicitous, scheming frauds and liars who ever walked the earth than the history of Christianity and the mythical magic Jew God upon which it is based. Christianity is bunk and a close look at it’s various dogmas, beliefs and rituals reveals truly bizarre, irrational and disturbing beliefs.
The essence of it seems to be that God is a Jew and if we don’t worship his Jewish “son” as a God Redeemer than we are doomed to pain and suffering in the afterlife for eternity no matter how we actually behave in this life. This is absolutely the most ethno-supremicist ideology ever foisted on an appallingly gullible humanity. Never mind that there is an obvious discrepancy between the claimed monotheism and a religion that clearly worships 3 separate gods (The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit) and a vast host of demigods. Never mind that Christianity has ripped off the religious and cultural practices of pagans for 2,000 years to create a strange menagerie of rituals and beliefs.
How can millions of normal human beings believe bizarre nonsense like the Roman Catholic doctrine of transubstantiation, in which we are told that the communion wafer is actually the flesh of the Jew God and the communion wine is literally his blood? Even as a symbolic act the ritual of Geophagy is incredibly disgusting, disturbing and atavistic. That 2.25 billion of us are willing to swallow the preposterous drivel of Christianity says nothing good about humanity.
In my opinion, the Christianity of today is completely different from the Christianity of the 1600s-1700s- 1800s. The old style European Christians quoted the Old Testament at length, they could be self assured badasses and they were tribal without apologizing for it. They went all over the world, killing Amalekites without so much as a fare thee well. All the while using the Old Testament as justification.Now, due to our fat and happy place in the world, Christians want to be liked and the emphasis is on being meek and good and agreeable.That strategy does not seem to be working, Christian countries are not liked, rather they are looked upon as colonialist exploiters in spite of their appeasing and eagerness to please.We might be better off returning to Warlord Jesus, a Sons of Anarchy type guy(who had 46 kills to his credit after the series ended)
The old style Christianity was capable of beheading 4500 Saxons, in 782 at Verden, in the Holy name of the Prince of Peace. “Don’t believe in Jesus?” “Chop off his head.” Back then Christianity as practiced by Charlemagne the butcher, was a different religion indeed, More Old Testament than New. But now the Old Testament. with its commonsense solutions to life is gone, it no longer may be used by modern Europeans. We are left with the emphasis on the New Testament as the only way to be a true Christian. So the dewy, damp and limp pages of the New Testament are the religious code by which modern Europeans are living and it causes us no end of problems.And let us not forget those 4500 Saxons, that was a lot of valuable Saxon men, back in those days. About 180,000 men in today’s numbers.
Charlemagne also practiced ethnic cleansing at the same time, bringing every third Saxon family south to de-paganize and show them the Way, The Truth, and The Light(under pain of death).
Rodney Stark, who has written a boatload of books on the idea that ‘Christianity is good’ (relatively speaking) has another recent book out titled ‘How the West Won.’2014.
It is revisionist history, saying for example the Muslim religion is bankrupt, most of their scientific advancements were due to the dhimmi cultures they had conquered.(Nicholas Wade in Troublesome Inheritance said the same thing, that Muslim science ruled from the 7th to 14th centuries due to the dhimmis.)
Stark also said the idea that people don’t convert for the peaceful doctrine, they convert because their leaders and their friends did. People could give a shit about doctrine. “Conversion is primarily an act of conformity” p.114.
He also talks about Verden. In this view (just a suggestion in the book) Christianity was imposed in the most brutal fashion on the people of the North, it was a religion they did not want, it was not the doctrine that attracted them, it was the simple idea of living another day that forced them to pay lip service to the nice guy Jesus. It was a forcible conversion of fear for the people of the North, not a conversion of belief.
On p. 97 Stark discusses the idea that the Vikings, a hundred years later, targeted British Monasteries and Monks, not necessarily because they were defenseless but “because they were angry about efforts to Christianize the North. Especially provocative would have been the atrocities committed by Charlemagne, who, for example, had about 4,500 unarmed Saxon captives forcibly baptized and then executed. The Vikings seem to have known that Charlemagne had issued an edict imposing the death sentence on all who tried to resist Christianization.”
Stark cites a 2009 book by Robert Ferguson for this idea about the Vikes, ‘The Vikings, a History,’ p 54.
It takes a lot time to break religious indoctrination that effectively starts at birth – and yes, this applies to ALL religions. Religion is designed this way. It’s the only way that religion can really work.
Your screen-name accurately reflects the weight anyone should give your writings.
Dear Mr. Dalton,
word “Jew” was invented in 18th century. So Jesus cannot be “Jew”. Jesus was Iewe.
Learn the history of Khazaria Empire to understand who now use word “Jews”, please.
Jesus was the mischlinge offspring
of a Roman soldier and a promiscuous Jewess.
as such, he was uncomfortable with his own Jewishness
and preached against the the Jews and their satanic activities.
so (((they))) killed him. Mighty thin stuff to concoct a World Religion out of,
and I for one admire the original anti-Jewish Christians
for so doing. Of course today’s completely Jew-pozzed “christians”
are a sinister joke.
The Romans mentioned Christ in a number of writings. Here, he was mentioned by the most famous of Roman historians, Tacitus:
https://crossexamined.org/tacitus-ancient-roman-historian-reports-on-jesus/
and more:
https://opusdei.org/en/article/what-do-roman-and-jewish-sources-tell-us-about-jesus/
Where do I start? First, Jesus is a Judaic name; Christos or Iesous was a Greek name. Of the 70 apostles cited in the Christian scriptures, 68 of them have Galilean-Canaanite-Phoenician names, indicating Iesous was not Judaic.
Next, the original Christian New Testament was compiled by Marcion, a boat builder whose father was a Christian leader. At that time there were no “Gospels” – only Paul’s letter and fragments of what appeared to have ended up as the Gospel of Luke. This First New Testament was spread to all of Judea, to Asia Minor and as far as Rome as the accepted Christian “bible”. Then, there was a mass book burning and it disappeared (I presume it was abolished by Judaic interests).
How do we know this? Well, an African writer by the name of Tertullian was hired to write a book titled Against Marcion. It was a line-by-line critique or propaganda against Marcion. In 1910, a German scholar Adolph Harnack re-constructed Marcion’s New Testament by reverse engineering.
Moreover, Jacob Elon Conner, PhD, US ambassador to Viet Nam, provided evidence that Jesus was not ethnically Judaic in his book Jesus Was Not A Jew: An Epistle to the Gentiles, 1935.
All the above is overlooked by the author of this article or he is unaware of it.
Additionally, Karim El Koussa, wrote a book in 2020, Jesus The Phoenician, amassing evidence that Jesus the Jew never existed because he was Phoenician.
Thomas Dalton: “The few Christians willing to engage with this issue and to defend a non-Jewish Jesus typically offer one of two responses. First, “Jesus was from Galilee, and Galilee was a Gentile stronghold.” ”
Matthew 4:15 is the scriptural source for the claim that Jesus was from Galilee, and of course, he has to be from Galilee in order to fulfill the prophecy given in Isaiah 9:1.
Hitler was also of the opinion that Jesus wasn’t a Jew, and I suspect he based this partly on the aforementioned Bible verse. In Table Talks he states it quite plainly.
Then too, there is the Jewish allegation that Mary was made pregnant not by Jehovah, but by a Roman legionnaire named Pantera. If true, this would support the notion that Jesus was a half Jewish racial hybrid; a mamzer as the Jews would say. In support of this, there’s also that passage in the NT (John 8:48) when the Jews question Jesus’ Jewishness, calling him a Samaritan, a people who were regarded as of mixed blood. Jesus doesn’t deny it, but instead evades the issue.
All of this, of course, assumes that such a person existed at all — a very dubious assumption.
Dr. Morgan
I’m not sure Christians need to believe in a physical, historical Jesus to be a Christian.
It even says in the letter titled Hebrews that “faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen”. Paul himself never met Jesus, except in a vision.
You seem to be more certain there was no Jesus than the Christians are that there was. Faith and Doubt are two sides of the same coin. You can’t have one without the other. So, many Christians are skeptical believers.
The eminent sociologist of religion, Peter Berger, himself a converted Jew to Christianity, even wrote a book on this “In Praise of Doubt”. There are many less known Christians who might tell us that they would not be surprised if there was a consciousness after life to find that there was no Jesus, but like Dostoevsky and Kierkegaard, believed anyway. They might say they were a “fool for Christ” (who never existed).
Re: Start with his mother, the “virgin” Mary; she clearly was a Jewess.
You can’t have it both ways and say there was no Jesus but Mary was a Jew and then cite scripture to prove it.
Mary is not a Jewish name. I know of no Jew who has every taken that name to this day.
But go to Lebanon and there are many Mary’s because Mary is a Galilean, Canaanite, Phoenician name.
Anon[149]: “I’m not sure Christians need to believe in a physical, historical Jesus to be a Christian. It even says in the letter titled Hebrews that “faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen”. Paul himself never met Jesus, except in a vision. ”
I agree what you say is true. In fact, it would be completely fair to say that the more absurd something is, the more faith is required to believe it. This, and the fact that having faith is considered in Christianity to be a virtue in itself, is the source of Christianity’s great staying power. As a belief system, it piles absurdity upon absurdity, and as the absurdities increase, for the believer, so does the faith.
Anon[149]: “You seem to be more certain there was no Jesus than the Christians are that there was. ”
I’ve never met a Christian who is willing to concede that Jesus probably never existed. But using Bayesian logic, Dr. Richard Carrier has argued persuasively against the historicity of Jesus. If I recall correctly, he evaluates the historical evidence and places the probability of Jesus’ non-existence at about 2/3, i.e., more likely fictional than not.
I reason on different grounds that it is far more likely that God is a fiction, a product of man’s wishful thinking and emotional need to believe he is not alone in a hostile universe, than it is that such an entity actually exists. Therefore, since God does not exist, and if Jesus and God are the same thing, then Jesus did not exist.
Of course, this does not account for the possibility that the life of an actual person might have provided the starting point for a Jesus myth. But in that case, we are talking only about a human being, and so whether he existed or not isn’t important. The myth is what is important, and that is a product of both wishful thinking and blind faith.
Re: “i’ve never met a Christian who is willing to concede that Jesus probably never existed.
Well, as I understand it, some things in Christianity are non-negotiable; that Jesus existed is one of those. That still does not mean that at least some Christians are quite aware there may have never been a Jesus but are not willing to negotiate it (something that should arguably be true to Christians because Jesus is Jewish invention and Christos or Iesous is Greek name). Ergo, those who are Christ followers are Christians, not Jesus-ians.
I have done a lot of academic graduate work and subsequent study in the sociology of religion and the sociology of knowledge. This had led me to realize that the world, even the modern world, is full of fictions we have faith only in, even unrecognized faith. Not to open another can of worms, but from my study there is no such things as viruses, albeit there are bacteriophages that are what is really being referred to.
The eminent biologist Harold Hillman in his book The Case for New Paradigms in Cell Biology and Neurobiology points out that all lab research does not reflect how human cells are in the human body. Moreover, in labs they are typically first dehydrated, then poisoned, then stained, then then put in a glass slide for observation. Needless to say, viruses, are what Hillman calls an artefact.
We live in a world of fictions or social constructions, not only in religion, but in science and everything else.
I have often questioned the historicity and historical evidence for the existence of Jesus. If Jesus was the son of god why not live in Rome rather then in an obscure province of the empire? In Rome his influence would have been so much greater.
If I didn’t have the day off I woud have stopped right there. East Timor, Armenia, New Guinea, Haiti, and Paraguay. HA HA HA HA HA HA. These ridiculous little countries are so stupid……
HOW STUPID ARE THEY?
They are so stupid that a large majority of their citizens are Christians. HA HA HA HA.
There is an unbearable smugness among some Athiests. They are infinately smarter than religious people. You believe in God? HA HA HA. You must be from East Timor.
The opium of the masses.
Jesus as a deity has importance to European man.
It was only Western Colonialism that spread the gospels to the rest of the world.
So the fight over historicity is a waste of time. What’s important is how JC’s story managed to cleave Western Man from his original, organic connection with the divine.
My guess is there really IS a kernel of truth to the gospels. A good guess: look to the Greeks, particularly Socrates, and determine how simple it would be to appropriate his basic story and deify what they came up with.
Hemlock updated to crucifixion is no great stretch.
What of the Marcionites who believed he was not born but created his body, and that he was the “Better God” who came down to defeat the “God of the Old Testament”?
– “thomas dalton”, an anglo mutt
Yet another anglo(the lowest, most inferior subhuman race ever existed on earth) arrogance in action, lol
But you know what? Your beloved muttmerica is much more laughable farce shithole than any of those countries you listed.
Walk into any Protestant Christian church and most likely you will find a sermon from the Old Testament more than the New Testament. Protestant churches are so Judaized, Old Testamentism is all of their message. Only in the Orthodox or Catholic churches are the messages purely New Testament.
Amen!
Walk into any Protestant Christian church and most likely you will find a sermon from the Old Testament more than the New Testament. Protestant churches are so Judaized, Old Testamentism is all of their message. Only in the Orthodox or Catholic churches are the messages purely New Testament.
Also, the **Gospels** were not part of the original Christian record. The **Gospels** are a Jewish invention to persuade Jews who had converted to Christianity that Jesus was Jewish.
The First New Testament was compiled by Marcion and was comprised only of Paul’s letters because there were no **Gospels** at that time. Marcion’s New Testament spread all the way to Rome and was the accepted Christian bible. Then it disappeared entirely — probably by a book burning.
In 1910 Adolph Harnack reconstructed it from Tertullian’s book Against Marcion. Otherwise we would never know what the first New Testament was comprised of.
I clicked Agree – generally – particularly if to be evenhanded, you add “the preposterous drivel of Islam, the preposterous drivel of Sikhism, the preposterous drivel of Hinduism”, etc.
Moreover, may I suggest that for many people, what most appeals to them about christianity DOES say something good about them, and to that extent about humanity: although the “doctrines” (trinity, jesus as a divinely inspired infallible prophet, trans-substantiation, etc.) may be absurd and unnecessary, people are often attracted more by the “values” of the Golden Rule / Sermon on the Mount, I.e., treating others as we wish to be treated, and the ethics that developed around christianity: exercising mercy and compassion, restraint in exercise of power over the weak, charity, respect for the dignity and rights and sacred uniqueness of every person, an eternal unending love and grace of the all-powerful being that created you, forgiveness, etc.
I’m surely no atheist, yet I’ve come to admit that christianity is drivel.
Also, the commenter didn’t mock those countries for being theistic, I think, but for being christian. I didn’t appreciate the nasty and overly broad sentiment in his mockery of those countries for being christian, but that’s not the same as mocking belief in God.
(I’d ask him as well which country he thinks compares so favorably to Russia and Mexico, morally or otherwise.)
Lastly, some of the most intelligent, productive, creative people in the world in recent centuries have been self-professed Christians, so of course it’s silly for him to suggest that people are “dumb” merely because they’re christian. The assertions of that religion are, however, generally obviously unproven, usually unproveable, and simply fabricated and stupid.
You make intriguing arguments with emphatic confidence.
I’m not arguing that you are wrong—but that old cliché, “truth is stranger than fiction,” feels appropriate here.
Okay, so… your contention:
1.) Despite the Enlightenment, and all the “progress” science has brought the world, in the Year of Our Lord, 2023, there are STILL no fewer than 2.4 billion people on earth who gullibly subscribe to the superstition that is Christianity—which is the greatest hoax of all time.
2.) Because lying, no-name, random first century Jews.
3.) Specifically, lying, no-name, random first century Jews who—for the life of them—couldn’t come up with a more cogent strategy to advance the Jewish cause. Nope, the best they could do was dredge up an obscure, 50-70 year-old piece of fake news about some loudmouth, magic rebel rabbi—who managed to not only piss off the religious leaders of his own community, but also the Romans occupying Judaea—who promptly nailed his magic, Jewish ass to a tree—because forgiveness…
4.) Only the magic Jew didn’t exist.
5.) Except—if he DID exist—he wasn’t, like, REALLY magic, or anything.
6.) Therefore, Christianity is bullshit because JEWS! The end.
I get it. I really do…
LOL… it’s called “faith” for a reason… regardless of its’ origin.
Some scholars allege that the nice parts of what Jesus said, seem to be cribbed wholesale from tales of Buddha 500 years earlier … the Jewish fabricators of Christianity mixing that with the very Jewish Jesus who may have been some Jewish rebel of the time. We see Jesus as being quite the Jewish supremacist racist in Matthew 15:24-26, where he insults non-Jews as ‘dogs’, the classic rude mideast insult:
Religion scholar Koenraad Elst has an unusual theory that the one Bible book perhaps written by Jesus himself is Revelations, its apocalyptic fantasy perhaps the disturbed creation of a Jesus who was tortured and mangled on the cross but allowed to live, perhaps a refugee in Arabia nursing his wounds, hence ‘soon to return’.
In any case we have the boasting of Jews themselves – notably by Marcus Eli Ravage in 1928 – that Christianity is fully a Jewish fabrication of cultural control against European goyim, whose native cultures were annihilated by the Jewish cultism they imposed:
Thanks for this informative article. There is one aspect of the “render unto Caesar” story that has always been misinterpreted, as proposing obedience to civil authority which could not have been the intent of Jesus, or whoever is immortalized in the tale. Imagine if you would that the United States had suffered the impossible fate of being conquered by Germany in WW2. Decades later a fundamentalist, nationalist preacher appears, attracts a great following. His enemies show him an American quarter with Hitler’s portrait on it and ask the Biblical question, and he replies: give this man what he is due. Any question what that meant? Obedience, no, exactly the opposite.
Similarly the story of the “good Samaritan” is misinterpreted as a simple exhortation to charity, but to Jesus’ Galilean audience, these people were apostate Jews they utterly vilified. Samarians had resisted forced conversion to the monotheistic Yahweh cult formulated by the Jerusalem temple priesthood, which the Hasmonean kings had attempted to impose on them, with great slaughter and destruction, a century and a half before Jesus’ time. The point of the tale was that if even a loathsome brute like a Samarian could behave decently, why can’t you, who are the elect Chosen. Galilee, incidentally, accepted conversion at Hasmonean sword point, in 125 BCE.
And in the story of Jesus’ initial refusal to heal the sick child of the Palestinian woman at the well, because he did not waste his magic on “dogs”, we are presented with unambiguous evidence of Jesus’ embrace of the racist nationalism that was and remains the curse of Jewish belief, and which has historically excited so much rage from their Gentile neighbors. We are also given a hint of his expertise in Egyptian-style magic, which accords with the traditional Jewish account of who the man actually had been.
This is quite plausible but only pertains to the Gospels, not Paul’s letters which are often accused of being anti-semitic. But early Christianity was not anti-semitic because it converted Jews to Christianity. My position is the Gospels are a creation of Judaism meant to lure Jews who converted to Christianity back to a Jewish Christ form of Christianity.
Precisely. According to Marcionites there is no Mary. Paul also believed that there was no birth of Christ if I am correct. But the Marcionite bible was abolished and only reconstructed in 1910.
All of this fits with conventional historical scholarship, except for the Jesus-myth part. My understanding is that most scholars think there is adequate evidence to conclude that Jesus probably existed, even as all serious scholars agree that much or most of the gospels are literary creation.
https://nationalvanguard.org/2023/05/white-psychology-under-jewish-tyranny-part-3/
That was pretty much my point.
George Ivanovitch Gurdjieff once put it direct: “Christianity stole everything they have from the Greeks and then they spoiled it.”
He’s clearly stating that there was a Greek progenitor of the Jesus figure, as hinted at by his title of “Christos” which is just Greek for “anointed king” and means roughly what “messiah” means.
But why is noone in the Eurozone curious about which Greek?
European man once had and sorely needs a European deity. Gurdjieff says we DID have one and he was hijacked and given a Jewish coat of paint. So all we need do is investigate which Greek man (or more likely which Greek body of work) was the original and dump the Jewish accretion.
If Europeans cannot resist Jesus we have to reclaim him.
Jesus the Exorcist. And Stomemason/Carpenter.
The Gospels and the bits after are the only useful part of the bible. I’ve always had a soft spot for the St Steven protomartyr story. He tells the Jew’s own rotten tricky story back to them and trolls them so bad he is struck down by a Jewish Sanhedrin. Perfect trolling operation is that text.
https://www.jesusfilm.org/watch/book-of-acts.html/stephen-speech-to-the-sanhedrin/english.html
Jesus is a literary trolling operation against the jews.
Mr Dalton wrote: “ Furthermore, it overlooks the fact that the Talmud, and later documents like the Shulchan Aruch, are elaborations on Old Testament teachings, not deviations from it.”
That’s what the Orthodox rabbis contend.
The Talmud Bavli and its progenitor, the Torah sheBeal peh (oral law) nullify the Old Testament. We have no less an authority than Jesus to testify to that fact—Matthew 15 and Mark 7. The Gemara denigrates Noah and declares that prophet Isaiah got what he deserved when he was killed.
Hillel the first century Pharisee nullified the Old Testament sabbatical year when debts were to be terminated with his “prozbul” escape clause keeping debts in force beyond the seventh year in clear violation of God’s law. I can cite many dozens of these loopholes and outright overthrow of Biblical law.
I understand the need on the far-right to be rid of the Old Testament and one way to defame it is to equate it with The Talmud of Babylon. It’s a false equivalence easily demonstrated, both in this writer’s textbook, “Judaism Discovered” as well as classic scholarship by the Victorian exegete Alexander McCaul, Protestant Professor of Hebrew and rabbinic literature at King’s College London, author of “The Talmud Tested,” as well as Johann Andreas Eisenmenger’s two volume “Entdecktes Judenthum” which was banned by the Holy Roman Emperor in 1700.
The “greater than God” mentality is openly embraced in Talmudic and successive sacred texts as being superior to the Supreme Being. The Talmudic mentality shares with Nazism the characteristic of self worship. It is completely contrary to the submission which Yahweh demands in the Old Testament.
Michael Hoffman
Wow, another great piece by Dalton. We need more people to give us the honest, blunt truth. Christians are Jew-worshipers — and we wonder why we have a problem in this country!
Yikes. I don’t know why you would accurately describe the total lack of evidence for the life of Christ, then assume that he existed anyway. You can’t win your argument by staking out a hypothetically historical Christ. You can only win by understanding the evolution of Christian literature.
One note about the difference between Paul and the Gospels: Paul does NOT describe a miracle worker and denies that his generation witnessed any miracles. Paul does NOT describe a preacher, wise man, or political agitator. He describes a celestial king witnessed only by him and a few other people. Moreover, Paul describes himself as a con artist.
I also take exception to this claim:
That may be so, but you should qualify this as what some scholars believe. That Mark was written after the year 70, and that the other Gospels are based on Mark and not independent testimony, is easy to prove. But no Gospel was known until the year 130. And all four gospels are not referenced until the year 170 or so. The books of Luke and Acts, which were written by the same author, are addressed to Theophilus, who was the Bishop of Antioch at that time. In my opinion it is wrong to definitively place anyone other than Paul in the first century.
Furthermore, you totally gloss over the anti Semitism of the Gospels. They are not pro Jewish, they are pro Roman, and in fact the most evident motivation for the Gospel of Mark is the deification of Titus Flavius, who fulfilled Christ’s propechies about the desolation of Jerusalem and razing of the Temple in the year 70. Mark is also well demarcated as a parable; it does NOT claim to be literal history, it makes constant admonitions about the need to search for a deeper meaning which not everyone will understand. Mark is also comically unfamiliar with Jewish culture and geography.
As for Matthew, who first introduces the nonsense about the virgin birth, it is evidently a satirical expansion of Mark. Matthew consistently takes Markan themes and stretches them to the point of absurdity. I think it is very hard to argue that Matthew is pro Jewish either since it features Jesus Christ calling the Jews evil and teaching them how to destroy their lives in advance of judgment day.
Only with Luke and Acts and John does the literary emphasis become on historicization.
The evolution of JC may be summarized thusly:
250 BC – Septuagint first published (the Greek language edition of the Jewish Bible). This contains the Zionist prophecies of Isaiah that were supposedly penned in Babylon.
50-70 CE – Genuine “letters” of Paul. Paul also wrote in Greek and explains that his religion is rooted in the Septuagint. He says he learned about Jesus from the Septuagint. Jesus is a very prominent name in the Septuagint, because it is the Greek name for Joshua. Christ is also very prominent as the Greek word for Messiah. Paul argues that JC fulfills the prophecies of Isaiah et al. He makes some criticisms of Jewish law, but at the same time he clearly states his mission as gaining material support for Judaism from the Gentiles.
70 CE – Rome defeats Jerusalem.
70-130 CE – The first Gospels are composed, also in Greek, consisting of Mark, Matthew, and Marcion. Mark is generally recognized as the basis of all. Mark quotes Jesus for the first time – Paul never quoted Jesus. And Mark quotes Jesus as saying some of the same things as Paul. Paul’s criticism of Jewish law has become a full blown repudiation of Jewish law, which culminates in the Sermon on the Mount in Matthew, as Jesus tells his followers to give up everything on Earth so that they can die and go to heaven.
130-170 CE – This is the era of the first church fathers and apologetics. The development of new gospels in this time period served to reclaim and take control of Christian literature. That’s why there is a sudden newfound emphasis on presenting Christianity as history. That’s why we have the book of Acts trying to make it seem like Paul came after the Gospels and not before. That’s why we have John telling us we’ll go to hell if we don’t believe in Christ as history. But if anything, the anti Semitism of the Gospels is developed even further in John, as he calls Jews the children of the devil.
In sum, the pro Jewish elements of Christianity exist only because the root of Christianity is in the Septuagint and the solicitations of Paul. After Jerusalem was sacked by Titus, Mark reworked Paul using additional information from Josephus to tell a parable about a Jesus Christ who warned the Jews that judgment day would fall upon them and their city within a generation. Matthew took the ironies of Jesus transforming from Pauline pro Semite to Markan anti Semite and ran with them. Then Luke and John tried to transform the mocking satire of Matthew into history. The paradox at the heart of Christianity is right there on page one of the New Testament. First Matthew proves that Joseph is the seed of David, then Matthew informs us that Joseph was cucked by a ghost. So even though Jesus appears to be genealogically eligible to be the Christ, he is secretly and technically disqualified.
Christ in the Gospels states his mission clearly. The Jews have lost their right to the covenants, and the covenants will be inherited by a new nation. He is going to baptize the Jews with fire. What is pro Semitic about that?
But Jehoshua did indeed advocate a complete departure from his tradition, as detailed accurately by a penetrating biographer more than a century ago. For an illustrated summary of his interesting book, see:
https://www.academia.edu/50785276/Critical_Analysis_of_Hartmanns_Life_of_Jehoshua
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You can’t just look to the Greek, you also have to look to Egypt and India. The Egyptian word for mummy is KRST, and what exactly is a mummy again? It is an “anointed king” whose body will be restored to eternal life. Furthermore, Judaism came out of Alexandria so it’s not surprising that Jews would use this word for their divinely appointed king. The very first Jewish Bible known to the world was written in Greek; Greek in fact is the original language of the Jews.
Then if you look to India, you see this character named Kristna who, like Christ, is said to be an incarnation of God. The Bhagavad Gita was published 300 years before the Jewish Bible and 700 before the Gospels. I think it is very likely that Kristna and KRST and Xristos are all cognate; a word that signifies “God on Earth”. “Mashiach” or Messiah is the odd word out, but that brings us to another discussion which is the ex post facto fabrication of the Hebrew language.
All languages, and all cultures, like all living things, descend from a single mother. It is only the falsity of Judeo Christian claims to primacy and universality that confuse the matter.
Another translation of Christ could be “once and future king”.
Yes but Jesus also nullifies the Old Testament. When he says not to take an eye for an eye. When he outlaws divorce. When he says you will fight your own family. When he says all food is kosher. When he declares himself lord of the Sabbath. When he spares the life of a fornicator. When he tells his followers to become penniless. When he tells them to lose their lives. When he offers the covenants to the whole world – by taking them away from the Semites. Plus if his mommy is a virgin then he didn’t even fulfill the prophecies either.
He’s a parable, a joke, and a lie.
Yes, and most doctors recommend Camel brand cigarettes, and 99% of researchers believe “climate change” is “settled science”, and anyone who questions the Kennedy assassinations or the moon landings or 9/11 is a conspiracy theorist. Consensus can be a worthless thing, especially academic consensus, which is minded by gatekeepers at every turn. Many of these people would be in favor of jail for those who question certain assertions about science and history.
There is NO evidence for the life of Christ. What little supposed evidence does exist is transparently fraudulent.
Like the guy upthread invoking Tacitus, despite the fact that nobody “noticed” the passage about Jesus Christ in Tacitus until the fourteenth century. For over a millennium, nobody knew about the only attestation to Christ in Roman history. And then one day some monk said “hey, look what I found!” This is the same manner in which Eusebius “discovered” the Christian testimony of Josephus centuries after Josephus was first published.
So why was the Hebrew Joshua (Yehoshua) also first known as Iesous? Jesus is the English spelling of the Greek name Iesous, which means Yehoshua in Hebrew. Joshua is the English spelling of the Hebrew name Yehoshua. But Jesus and Joshua are really the exact same name. They both start with the sound modeled by the Hebrew letter Yod, which makes the Y sound in Hebrew, same as the IE sound in Greek, usually rendered as J in English.
According to the Jews, the Hebrew letter Y means Jew; and in fact Jew means Y, or more accurately we should be talking about Yews and Yesus Xrist if we want to be phonetically consistent. It’s all incredibly confusing due to the fact that the Jewish Bible was first published in Greek and the settled Hebrew text did not appear until centuries later. Despite the fact that the first Jewish Bible was claimed to have been translated from the language of the Jews.
The name of the Jewish god, YHWH or Jew-HVH (Jehovah) means Jew Mother or Jew Creator. It is this name of their god that is represented in short form at the beginning of some of their other J names, including John and Joseph. Thus according to the Hebrew language, Yehoshua, the name of Jesus, means YHWH’s salvation. Strangest of all, the name YHWH does not appear in the Greek Bible. Only “God” or “Lord God” or “Lord”. According to the Hebrew version, “God” is used as a translation for the Hebrew word Elohim (meaning “gods”) while “Lord” is used as a translation for the Hebrew word YHWH (which is the proper name of the Jewish God). Wherever “Lord God” appears in the Septuagint, “YHWH Elohim” appears in the Hebrew text.
It’s not that Jesus and all his fellows were Greeks; it’s that the original Jews themselves were Graecophones. “Ie” or “Y” as the divine syllable probably goes back to the Akkadian god Ea, just as the Elohim go back to the Akkadian god El. (The Akkadian gods in turn were adapted from the conquered Sumerian gods Enki and Enlil). The Hebrew language version of the Jewish Bible was not the first, but was back engineered over the course of centuries.
What gets extra confusing is the name Jacob (Yakov in Hebrew) whose Y is not etymologically related to YHWH. In Genesis, Jacob is renamed “Israel” after wrassling with an angel. Meanwhile the name Jacob or Jacobos is also translated as “James” in English. Whenever a reader of the NT sees “James” they should realize that it is closely associated with the name of Israel.
Israel was the real and legitimate name of the “holy land” before the Jews laid claim to it. Israel was founded by the Habiru, before which it was known as Canaan. Then the Jews came along over 1000 years later and transformed the history of the Habiru into the myth of the Hebrew. For the sake of some real estate.
He was either god walking around as a man, or he was a lunatic.
Not much room for wriggling out of it.
He performed exorcisms with a supernatural knack that didn’t involve songs or music or spells. He came back from the dead.
The most important part of the story is that a fairly ordinary man was set up for death by the Sanhedrin for speaking out about piling up gold at the temple. For raising the dead and casting out demons from Rabbis. For claiming to be god. This outraged the jews.
Or it’s all just made up in words.
The Jews just never learn: a stiff necked people who bend the rules for their own benefit.
He’s a parody of a Jew.
Might be a Jew though. Do you know him?
This claim originated with the pagan Celsus, but since his work was so violently suppressed, it only survived in the apologetics of Origen, from which it was cribbed by the Talmud.
Franz: “My guess is there really IS a kernel of truth to the gospels. A good guess: look to the Greeks, particularly Socrates, and determine how simple it would be to appropriate his basic story and deify what they came up with.”
That Jesus might be an adaptation of Socrates is an interesting idea. After all, Christianity is, in many ways, just a rip off of various schools of Greek philosophy, especially Platonism and Cynicism. One key difference between Socrates and Jesus though is that Socrates appealed to the rational part of man. Socrates teaches and convinces his interlocutors with evidence and logical argument. Jesus merely calls himself “the Way, the Truth, and the Life” and demands everyone believe what he says for no other reason than he is who he is. He never argues or attempts to persuade anyone using reason. Far from it! In fact, the admonition he gives is that people must abandon reason and become like little children in order to enter his heaven. Another key difference between the two, remarked upon by the anti-Christian philosopher Celsus, is that Socrates died a sober, dignified death whereas Jesus died a particularly undignified, agonizing death — beaten, stripped, humiliated, whining, and by his own admission, forsaken by God. Perversely, this has the effect of making Jesus seem more human; he’s a more sympathetic figure.
Along the same lines, many people have noticed how the story of Jesus is similar to other myths. Dr. Richard Carrier gives a whole list of others who performed miracles as Jesus is said to have done, died and were resurrected, etc. Christianity is an outgrowth of Judaism, which is itself a re-working of Zoroastrianism.
Taken together, this all suggests an ongoing evolution of religious thought; a multi-cultural, multi-racial project undertaken over a span of millennia. Adaptations were made at various times and places in response to environment very like what occurs in the evolution of animals and plants. If we wanted to be conspiratorial, we could say that the anonymous authors of the Gospels took what cultural material was available to them and tried to tell an old story in a better, more convincing way; one that would appeal to more people and attract the maximum amount of followers. Whether it was an actual conspiracy or not is in some ways irrelevant. That the revised material succeeded in attracting more followers than Platonism or any of the other Greek schools is an unquestionable fact. Even though it may have been, as Hitler said, a disaster for the human race, Christianity has been an evolutionary success.
There is no mother Mary in Mark either. Just a Mary. Matthew first turned Mary into Jesus’ mother, then said she was a virgin, all for the sake of dramatic irony.
Christianity is basically irrelevant here in France, and I can tell you it has not made the country any better to say the least.
As Vico put it “verum ipsum factum” or “the true is the made”.
The Jews collected bullion (masked as sacrifice) from both Parthia and Rome. Jerusalem was bank central. For two Empires.
It was a ritual center where much tribute accumulated for the Sanhedrin to play one empire off an against another.
Either he performed several exorcisms, a couple of resurrections and a final cheating of death with his own resurrection…or he didn’t.
Either he is god walking around as a man or he isn’t.
Either the Sanhedrin and the Synagogue were full of possessed evil Jews or they are not.
Either or Or…supernatural.
Does Thomas Dalton realize Ron Unz is a JEW? Why is he writing for a Jewish website?
Wayne Lusvardi: “Well, as I understand it, some things in Christianity are non-negotiable; that Jesus existed is one of those. That still does not mean that at least some Christians are quite aware there may have never been a Jesus but are not willing to negotiate it …”
I suspect Christians are unwilling to give up on the historicity of Jesus because he could not have died and resurrected himself unless he first lived. It should go without saying that the fear of death is an important source of religious belief and faith, especially belief in an afterlife. Because of this quite natural Todesangst, Christians have a deep-seated need to believe in absurdities such as corpses coming back to life. As it says in 1 Corinthians 15:16-17:
Dr. Richard Carrier argues that Paul is here still referring to a celestial Jesus, but the language used in this verse seems to say otherwise, at least as I read it.
He isn’t. The article was originally written for The Occidental Observer.
I find it bizarre that many Protestants are aware of the evolution of the NT corpus, yet cling to their sola scriputra doctrine anyway, not to mention the rapt attention they give to its every jot and tittle. Given the standard Protestants set, I cannot for the life of me see how there could have ever been any real Christians for the first two or three centuries of Christianity. This poses something of a problem for Catholics too, who likewise affirm the “divine inspiration” of material like Paul’s letters (why though? on what grounds?), but they can get around it with too much difficulty by appealing to the sacred tradition and the magisterium. Now that the cat’s out of the bag on how the NT was put together, if I were pope, I would go full bore on demoting the importance of scripture.
Ah, Eisenmenger. I was trying to think of his name recently, but I kept coming up with “Meisenger” which led to nothing.
I heard in a lecture by a rabbi that Eisenmenger did convert to Judaism and spent twenty years in their ranks, but the wikipedia article only claims he expressed a desire to convert. How certain is it that he lived as an actual Jew among Jews?
Right, I can get with all of that.
In a sane world, instead of JC, the God of Britannia would be Arthur. And the peoples of the east end of Europe would still pay homage to Batraz the Lord of the Forge. And there will always be room for Osiris and his mate, and the whole crowd on the Aegean from Zeus on down.
For the sacred to work it has to be particular, not global. With everyone getting purely sick of the global, we can hope the old patrons (and any good new ones) get recreated the multifold world.
Jews did NOT exist at all during biblical times all the way into into 200 AD with the coming of the pharisees who derived Judaism from Babylon cult religion-satanism Talmud. Jesus was a HEBREW which was a whole different race and religion in ancient times, while jews first appeared AFTER the diaspora of Israel and jews are of eurasian converted descent.
Read Invention of the Jewish People by Shlomo Sand
The fabricators of the gospels were preposterous. Here’s Jesus, supposed to be curing a blind man, and the writer doesn’t know how to compose a dramatic scene? Mixing spit with dirt, c’mon man! What kind of holiness is that! The copywriter risks the possibility of the wrong kind of dirt! And then sending the guy still blind and stumbling across town to wash in a pool. If I’d been hired, I’d have done it right, with music and angels and the scent of roses, and less wordage, a first class job, not this sorry stuff. Very unprofessional; I would never have paid for it, and would have thrown the bungler out the door.
Incorrect. The word Jew goes back to at least 16th century. And possibly before then.
Earlier they used variations like Giw, Giu, Iuw, and so on.
The whole Khazar-Edomite thing is a cop out, even if most of them originate from there (which may not be true).
The Talmud was not written by Khazars. It predates them.
Check when they were written!
So in other words, you are still following a Semitic religion…
Galilee, Caanite lands and Phoenicia were right beside the location of the Jesus story.
These people were related, and naturally would intermingle racially.
Jews were living in Greece and Rome already…
Why do you overlook Jesus birth place in Bethlehem Judea? What about his parents?
Why do you overlook he was called a Rabbi?
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Forget the gospels. The church had already been born and accomplished astounding things before they were written. It had been formed by Paul, who clearly knew very little about the real Jesus. How was this accomplished? Paul’s Christian church was built on a substrate of proselytes, whom Paul preached to in the synagogues and who made up the vast bulk of the first churches. These were the most intelligent and sensitive Gentiles– many of them Greek– who recognized that the Judaic outlook was superior to that of the pagan. Whatever you think of Jews in history or the present, Judaism is spiritually superior to paganism, even the advanced paganism practiced by Greeks. Spiritually advanced Greeks had entered the synagogues to learn of Judaism’s superior traits– its monotheism, its unity, its emphasis on intellectual learning, its emphasis on martyrdom.
Paul knew very little about Jesus, but what he knew was earth shattering. Jesus offered salvation for the Gentiles (Jews no longer the Chosen), and he– and his followers– were willing to die for that concept. Paul knew this because he had witnessed the martyrdom of Stephen. These two radical concepts– salvation for Gentiles and the superiority of martyrdom– built upon the substrate of the “Judaism” practiced by the proselytes– was the basis of a new religion that would move beyond the weakness of old paganism and challenge the Jews themselves. At this innovation alarm bells went off in the Jewish world. They are still going off.
Forget about the gospels– Jesus the nice guy who healed the sick and turned water into wine. Those are just allegories for the simple folk. To understand Christianity and its roots, look at the proselytes in the ancient world and their reaction to Paul’s message.
This is more corroboration that the JWO began with Christianity, if not before.
We can also say that the 1492 date was the beginning of the age we are living in where Jews;
1) sent Columbus west to begin the colonization of all undiscovered parts of the world
2)were the primary group responsible for the revitalization of the slavery habit and thru successfully financing the English Revolution, got England fully into the slave habit using the Bacon Rebellion as the excuse to mandate race segregation with criminal penalties for non compliance
3) Sent a bunch of secret Jews into the goy communities of Europe that were to lead a successful rebellion against Catholicism
4) Probably financed if not invented the printing press and immediately put it to full use as a propaganda tool used in all the various host countries of Europe that Jews moved in to
Without Christianity and Islam (another religion they invented for the goyem) the later stuff would likely not have occurred
a synonym for diaspora is- was Jewish colonialism for all good Jews were expected to attain power in any land they found themselves in and use that power to undermine the host and promote Jewish aims whilest never losing their Jewish ethnic identity.
There are few Europeans who went to the new world that held on to their European identity within a few generations. In this Jews have no peers and ultimately makes them the greatest racists
Perhaps the best, the only sufficient response to an article like this is to respond with The Liturgy.
Jesus is risen from the dead, trampling down death by death, and upon those in the tomb bestowing life.
I believe Oh Lord, and I Confess that you are truly The Christ, who came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am chief.
I will not reveal your secrets to your enemies, or betray you with a kiss, as did Judas, but like the thief will I confess to Thee: Remember me Oh Lord, when you come into your Kingdom.
The Church and The Faith is an anvil that has worn out many hammers.
Jesus is Risen! Indeed He is Risen!
None of them think that a man with a penis is a woman. None of them hate their past. None of them try to commit suicide by promoting and financing their own invasion. None of them glorify a petty criminal who died because of overdose and make him a saint. None of them have the need of so many antidepressants as USA None of them have such low birthrates as USA. None of them think than the aliens have the same rights as native people. In short, none of them are m*rons like the US and Europe (full disclaimer: I am an European)
All of them will exist one hundred years ago from now while Europe will be Islàmic and America will be North México. Keep on laughing while you go to the grave. Who laughs last laughs best
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Jesusneverexisted.com
A bit harsh and hostile; but the facts are presented clearly enough for the most casual observer.I’ll present a quick summary here – I’m an ex-Christian who was looking into taking Courses at Local Seminaries; and ended up taking a few classes at a Jewish University on Judaism.
I ended up coming across these “Christian Debunking” Sites while contemplating how there were no “Original” Gospel Manuscripts – all referenced an “Imaginary” Core/Source Manuscript no one ever encountered.
Then I also looked for any Secular Records and the Actual Historical Timeline ov Events:
4thCE Cult started under the Sponsorship Constantine at Nicea. An Amalgamation of the previously failed+disdained “Chrestus-Cult” (“Chrestus” meaning Good/Useful) who supported Constantine, the Dionysus Cult, Mythras Cult, and others – formulated to be “Constantine’s Rendition” of the Jewish Messiah/God-Son as they also tried to Hijack Judaism (for their comprehensive Creation to Future Events Coverage).
First Gospels were part of “First New Testament” which were part of the “First Christian Bible” – as completed Published Works, Sponsored by Constantine, all after Nicea.
Later in the 6thCE after Rome fell with Constantine’s Christians splitting the Empire after the West fell into the Dark Ages, a Christian Monk established “1AD” – 5 Centuries into the past – as the “Time of (Non)Occurence” for the now known to be fabricated Gospels.
That’s why there are no written records of Gospel Characters/Events in the 1stCE. The Catholics were running a 50+year hoax with their claims of holding the First Gospels through the Dead Sea Scrolls – which didn’t.
50 Years – keeping up the lies.
Josephus’ prose were an anachronistic fabrication.
Shroud of Turin – effects were recently replicated and Carbon dating marks it as being of a 12thCE Origin – where/when it first appeared in written history.
DEC25th is the Solstice of the Julian Calendar – observed in Europe as late as 1598CE. Solstice was the Birth/Death/Resurrection/Light Celebrations held by Dionysus, Mythras, and Others.
The Christian Gregorian Calendar separated the Solstice from DEC25th, making DEC25TH a solely “Christian” Holiday which incorporated elements and Temple buildings(including those of the VATican) of Mythras and Dionysus.
Pope+VATican aren’t Divine – they’re a Cult; and should be stripped of their Nation-State/Embassy-Holding Status.
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Look these up to confirm as you wish. These will help you debunk Christianity. Sad; but True.
However it’s due time for All who wish to Honor the Creator, Creation, Human Life, and the Ethical Codes Humanity struggled to formulate – and Live believing in our own Consequences here and in the hereafter – to regroup and move on without the Cults in tow.
“Tychic rationalism.”
It could be described briefly, if somewhat grandiloquently, as “tychic rationalism”; that is, one who has a sense of fate. (In Greek, tyche means fate.). It is rationalism, because it considers reason and its logic to be our last governing instance; and tychic, because it is also aware of the insignificance of the human mind in the face of the vastness of the universe. Fate is something beyond us: a powerful force that influences the course of our lives, and is completely beyond our reach and influence. In this sense, one can say that it is “transcendent”. This force has two independent components, of which it is the resultant: destiny and chance. (…) Chance brings to him the constant uncertainty of tomorrow, and with it the anxiety smoldering at the bottom of the soul. Destiny is carried by the absolute certainty of our transience, and with it sadness – one can say – metaphysical.
(…) the view of the essence of religion, according to which the root of religion is death? (…)
There are different religions. Even Moses, the original one from the Torah. There, beyond the grave, there is nothing for the individual, everything ends with death. Only the gens endures, and he is there the object of religious hope. The idea of the soul surviving the death of the body entered Christianity not from the Old Testament but from the Greeks; specifically from Orphism through Platonism. Nor is there an idea of personal immortality in Confucianism. Some religions are associated with this image, others are not. And the knowledge of imminent death is related to all of them, it is their common root. Religion, as I understand it, is any way in which people collectively come to terms with their own passing, that is, with their destiny.
/…/on the Greek, non-Jewish, origin of personal immortality upon which Christian promise and Christian hope rest.
/…/what does “Roman Catholic non-believer” mean? “Unbelievers, because they do not believe that some Providence watches over us, or that something awaits us after death. A “Roman Catholic” because he understands that the civilization of the West stands on Christianity and that its traditions are most fully and best incarnated and preserved by the Holy Universal Church. Therefore, who our civilization likes, should defend and support this Church. Against whom to defend? “Among the lower powers, the greatest enemy of the Church and of Christianity in general is leftism; this political outburst of left-handedness. By leftism I mean an irresistible desire to fix the world according to one’s own imagination, disregarding the realities of human nature – and thus very willing to implement their salutary ideas under duress. (…) World leftism is an international of communist mutants. In some frenzied frenzy, it seeks to destroy Western civilization: to its very foundations. In this quest, he encounters two major obstacles. They are constituted by two ancient institutions of our social life: the family and the Church. (…) As we know, the forefather of leftism is Rousseau. Windelband, in his well-known “History of Modern Philosophy”, captured the essence of his views in this way: The state cannot tolerate within itself any community that it has not created itself. And such communities, independent of the state, are precisely the family and the Church. For a leftist, then, the matter is clear; they must be destroyed or subjugated. He sees no other possibility.
I invite you to watch this video from about 44:00. It discusses the role of oral transmission in ancient cultures. Writing things down was actually a second best solution. People were able to remember things with great reliability. This is true of the works of Homer and it’s true of all ancient writings. You are judging things by the standards of today and not by the cultural context of that time.
The pope don’t have to. The Roman Catholic indifference to scripture is a scandal among Protestants who are aware of it but a legacy-gift of the Middle Ages when the people in Europe spoke their national language and knew no Latin, which was fine because they were forbidden to read the scriptures anyway.
99 percent of “bible believers” are Protestants with Catholics usually stare into space or shuffle their feet when the scriptures are read. A Catholic needs far less deprogramming than the other sects.
Jesus was a Jew. Yes.
He was a biological Jew Probably
… surely embodying all those wonderful Jewish phenotypical characteristics … Some kind of a “Ph.D.-level” insult, I suppose.
he was a religious Jew Yes
One which this Author didn’t include is this:
Jesus was an extremely patriotic Jew
Among his other works Ph.D. Dalton has created a new translation of Mein Kampf.
https://archive.org/details/mein-kampf.-adolf-hitler.-translation-by-thomas-dalton-ph-d/page/n3/mode/2up
I’d invite people to go to the Archive site and at least read the Preface. When I did that I quickly observed that this Author loves Hitler the way Christians are supposed to love Jesus. And he hates Jews the way Christians are supposed to hate Sin.
Albert Speer’s original job was to draw up the architectural plans for Rebuilt Berlin, a place called Germania. The Wiki on that fantasy city says that there were no plans to allow any church buildings within it.
Presumably the future victors of WW2 would learn to build their lives and worldviews around basic, universal, and age-old ethical ideals; defend and protect the Earth, which sustains all life; defend human dignity against corrupters, liars, and deceivers; work toward a transparent, human-scale society; spend time with their children and grandchildren; and celebrate the accomplishments of human creativity and the human spirit from the Teachings of the Blessed Führer rather than the blather of Judaic nonsense from some ancient Jewish Jerk.
KRST is a Serbian word meaning ‘cross’ and the lack of vowels indicates a very old origin. Cross is an ancient Serbian symbol, several thousand years old and became a symbol of Christianity when the mother of Emperor Constantine (who was also a Serb) visited the holy land and touched the cross on which Jesus was crucified. That day is celebrated all over the world as the Exaltation of the Holy Cross.
As for the origin of Jesus, perhaps linguists can point to a solution. Most mainstream sources say that Aramaic is a Semitic language but there are those who claim that it is ‘Indo-European’ (whatever that means) ie. that he was an Arian. There are some other elements related to pagan mythology that found their place in Christianity (including common elements with Hindu mythology) that lead me to believe that this second version is correct.
I bet this guy is a fag, like most people in the “alt-right”.
Only fags and Jews hate Jesus and Christianity.
This article was a nothingburger. Its well-known many original Roman historical sources were lost, and obviously Romans themselves living closer to the time of Christ believed he was a historical figure.
As far as the question as to whether Jesus was Jewish or not the answer is obviously that he was.
Not sure what the point of the article was. To promote national socialism? National Socialism would be DOA in the United States.
It’s very presumptuous to think that if you haven’t experienced something, it doesn’t exist. If you haven’t experienced love in your life, would you say it doesn’t exist? Well, guess what? In the Bible, it says that God is love.
Your reason can get you only so far. If you had a little humility, you would feel God’s existence and His works, just like millions have experienced it. Intellectual arrogance leads only to shame and misery.
Jews steel everything from Christians. even history. And now they want to steel from them their God.
A bird born in a pig stall does not make it a pig. A Christ born amongst Jews does not make him a Jew.
The old story of lies, that Jesus was a Jew, serves the Jews’ one purpose to be worshipped by Christians as “God’s people”.
Jesus was a Jew on the basis of the falsification of the gospels!
The Christ to the Jews: “… you Jews are the children of the devil” Did the Christ say we are the children of the devil? What Jewess is named Mary or Maria?
In his last writings Luther puts the papacy on the same level with rabbinical Judaism, for example in “Vom Papsttum zu Rom, vom Teufel gestiftet”. Which coincides with the fact that very many popes were bought by the usurious Jews and in return declared the Jews “the people of God” (i.e. falsifying the Gospels that Jesus was a Jew).
Jews call Mary a whore, Jesus a whore child.
The Talmud describes Jesus as a sex-obsessed sorcerer who was not according to Jewish law. … The virgin Mary is ridiculed in the Talmud and the birth of Jesus was only to cover up the true origin of Jesus. The mother of Jesus was also a woman not according to the Jewish Law, rather she was a prostitute.
Those who know Jewish teachings know that if someone is “not according to Jewish law” it is a gentile, and according to the Talmud all gentile women are considered prostitutes.
Just that makes it already certain that Jesus was never a Jew let alone of Jewish descent.
A German () Judaist, Peter Schäfer was Director of “Jewish Studies” at Princeton had shown that Jesus’ mother is branded in the Talmud as “a harlot.” The Talmud does not say that Mary was a Jewish whore. She is only called „a whore”, not a “Jewish whore” because that would be a double speak anway. Accordingly, Maria is considered a “Roman whore” by rabienism. Further it is to be read that Jesus was begotten by a Roman. Thus Jesus was not a Jew. Schäfer wrote: “Of course, he can make no claim at all to a descent from the distinguished house of David, as the New Testament pretends him to be: The whole idea of Jesus’ Davidic descent, his claim to be the Messiah and ultimately even the Son of God,’ is for rabbis nothing but ‘fraud’.”
The old story of lies, complemented with some falsification of the gospels, that Jesus was a Jew, serves the Jews’ one purpose to be worshipped by Christians as “God’s people”; American Evangelicals proof it every day and are the backbone of Israhell.
Jesus lives. He is omnipresent and in individual materialisation very nordic; he is white, bright and light. Probably one reason for the Jews’ forever lusting, insatiable hunger for white flesh and their violent nasty of putting Brownies and Blacks onto white woman, to destroy her and her children.
No sweat, the days of Anglo Saxon scum are numbered.
The core Christian doctrine is roughly that success is bad and that failure and pain are good. They like criminals and wish to aid and abet them. Behaving so poorly you get crucified, metaphorically or literally, is considered the highest virtue. By this metric, America is devoutly Christian, to the point of theocratic ecstasy.
An excellent example of deliberately behaving so badly you get metaphorically crucified. Yes, a very sincere
SatanistChristian. Few can bring themselves to self-mutilate to an Anglian degree.Yeshua of Nazareth was physically an ordinary mortal, born of having sex and when the body died it stayed dead. However, Yeshua was Satan’s avatar. Basically a flesh-puppet of the god of devil-worshipping. Paul, as Satan’s disciple, was such an effective propagandist because Satan put his thumb on the scale. The puny mortal Paul was sponsored by an immortal.
Jews originally worshipped Jehovah. Either Jehovah is the name of some pissant desert demon, what the Arabs call a djinn, or the Jews in fact turned away from Jehovah worship and turned to Satan; they simply called the Father of Lies “Jehovah” for reasons which I hope are obvious. There’s some evidence of the Jews themselves destroying altars to Jehovah.
That said, ‘immortal’ is a somewhat misleading term. Entities of Satan’s stature do not age or get sick, but they can die. Satan was executed in 2022. He died as he lived: ignominiously. There’s a sort of miasma left over which still has some power, but it will dissipate on its own sooner or later.
One of the results of Satan’s recent death is the article above. These inferences are hardly difficult to construct. Why hasn’t it been written countless times already? Satanic interference.
Humans are mortal, and as above, so below: mortal souls are not normally immortal. What kills the mortal soul is internal contradictions; your Earthly body forms a casing that holds your soul together against its own internal pressure, and when the body fails, the soul blows itself apart. A soul in this condition cannot be ‘saved’ by anyone.
Devoting yourself to lies, e.g. Satanic scripture, is a good way to increase the internal pressure and not merely blow yourself apart, but blow yourself into a million pieces.
When you worship failure and suffering, you get what you ask for.
Uphold glory instead of denigrating it. Act like Envy is a sin instead of merely saying it is.
Unfortunately, Satan was not omnipotent and despite his best efforts his Book has some good lines. Humans are indeed inherently evil, because, having made the correction, Jehovah = Satan, humans are indeed the children of Satan. Perhaps even his direct and intentional creation. Humanity hates love and loves hate. Despises glory and embraces failure. They create Hell on Earth because they prefer it, and pointing out they’re intentionally creating Hell on Earth is merely to repeat their own words back to them.
So you admit that if Yeshua was a Jew, your religion is false?
Good to know. Thanks for your confession; I hear Christians are really into confession, so, good work.
Spirituality contradicts Judaism.
To be a Jew and claim to be spiritual is a farce
(and very easy to proof).
You are either jewed or spiritual.
What would be the Jews’ spirit in any case?
…risen, omnipresent and descending time and again; (he has the toughest fate/job – it seems endless).
Oh dear, a cheap-shot at Christianity and some smaller nations.
The entirely misplaced hubris of talmudic America.
Sanhedrin speaks through Mr Dalton.
Mortals are quite fond of saying the gods abandoned them, but mortals are basically evil; the reverse is true. Mortals abandoned the gods.
Nemesis is extremely fond of recruiting the Jews as her tool, as her tools frequently suffer as much as the workpiece does. The Jews were recruited to make humanity worship its own adversary. Mortals clearly deserve agony instead of paganism.
Worked great and had the obvious results. Turns out the “shining city on a hill” is in fact Gomorrah. Truth is much more like darkness than like light.
Isn’t Jesus and all dying gods just a perversion of shamanism? A shaman does something Jesus doesn’t do. He dies in a spiritual initiation and comes back to life. DMT users have this hallucinatory experience too so this is really a thing. I found it remarkable and mysterious.
Contrary to this spiteful and myopic author’s claims, there is plenty of evidence that Jesus not only existed but was the Son of God, with the best evidence those who willingly became martyred rather than recant what they saw and heard, either directly or from others. These martyrs did so out of an appreciation of not just Jesus and the miracles He performed, but the beauty and universality of a religion with Jewish roots but open to all, a religion based on love of God and all men with an inspired and complex theology that has unfolded since.
Jesus was Jewish and killed by Jews, and so what? The death of Jesus offered a clean break from the root Jewish religion understood by all only gradually but definitively, with the Gospels written after the realizations that Jesus’s message was purely spiritual, that the Messiah was not there to save Jerusalem from Roman chariots, and that His return was not imminent. Early Christians were persecuted by Jews, and the thought that Rabbis were playing five dimensional chess with the invention of Christianity is ludicrous and illustrates a fevered mental state.
And what exactly do Christians have to apologize for, anyway? We built Western Civilization, dummy! Look around at the glory of old Europe, the development of Rule of Law, scientific achievement – the actors here were mostly Christian, often devout. It turns out that the central message of Christianity binds men for common purpose and engenders trust, all of which is good for progress. And the degeneracy we see today would absolutely be curtailed by widespread revival of a Christian perspective and all that demands of each of us.
The author does not seem to be at all religious. I’m not here to proselytize, but the spiritual dimension is real and once a person concedes that God exists, by logic it will necessitate that due heed be paid to an omnipotent and omniscient deity. I would urge the author to keep an open mind and heart about Christianity before using his academic skills in vain.
The people on this site who are quick to denigrate Christianity offer scant alternative other than a crimped hatred for Jews. If Jews are the enemy you believe them to be, then you ought to know that the nihilism you offer will always be trumped by a positive belief system and framework, which Jews have of ages. To even have a chance of victory, rather than indulge in anti-Christian snark that would only serve to divide this readership, you ought to be preaching Church Militant.
The Myth Theft , His name was APOLLONIUS OF TYANA . And no he was not executed because he was Divine , and NO GOD SACRIFICES HIS SON FOR ANYTHING . As for Paul , he visited Samothraki , for initiation to the Mysteries (?) , before embarking on “his mission “. All of it is a Lie – !
I’m glad that you mentioned Dr. Carrier’s work. The longer, more scholarly, peer-reviewedd book is On the Historicity of Jesus, a more popular book is Jesus from Outer Space, essentially a condensed version of the earlier, longer work. Dr. Carrier’s estimate of one chance in three that a historic Jesus existed was made by taking all favorable probabilities of the evidence for existence, if one goes the other way and takes all unfavorable probabilities of the evidence of existence, the odds are about 12,000 to one. The (probably forever undiscoverable) truth is somewhere in between. Dr. Carrier now says that he no longer pays much attention to Christian apologists, since faith-based belief is essentially unrefutae. And yes, Richard Carrier is a rather strange person (polyamorous) but his scholarship is impressive.
And Paul and the earliest Christians didn’t have to be liars. They may have sincerely believed in a celestial Jesus, whose death and resurrection occurred in heaven. The gospels may have been literary parables, intended to instruct the ordinary believers until they could be initiated into the oral traditions. Check the fourth chapter of Mark, which may be giving the game away.
Many reasons could account for why Jesus is not mentioned in writings while he was alive or shortly after his death.
1) Limited literacy: In the ancient world, the ability to read and write was not widespread, especially among lower-class individuals and rural communities. It is possible that Jesus and his immediate followers, who were predominantly from modest backgrounds, may not have had many literate individuals among them who could write about his life during his lifetime.
2) Oral culture and delayed record-keeping: The culture of the time relied heavily on oral tradition, with information being passed down through spoken narratives. Writing materials were relatively expensive and not readily accessible to everyone. It is possible that the early followers of Jesus primarily transmitted his teachings orally and only later recorded them in writing.
3) Perceived insignificance: Jesus was a relatively obscure figure during his lifetime, especially in the wider Roman Empire. Galilee, where Jesus lived and preached, was seen as a peripheral and less influential region. It is plausible that Jesus’ activities and his impact were initially deemed insignificant by contemporary historians or chroniclers.
4) Hostility and persecution: The early Christian movement faced opposition and persecution from both Jewish and Roman authorities. It is likely that any contemporary writings that mentioned Jesus or the movement would have been vulnerable to destruction or suppression by these authorities, making their survival less likely.
5) Loss or destruction of documents: Historical documents are prone to loss and destruction over time due to various factors, including wars, natural disasters, decay, and neglect. It is possible that any contemporaneous writings mentioning Jesus or the early Christian movement simply did not survive until the present day.
The further you are from a Muslim country, the more you are inclined to criticize Mohamed. But Christians are forgiving. Do you know that Hrist, Christ or Christos means heavenly ruler of history.Even the etymology is English, not Greek.Jesus was a Syrian. On the cross Jesus prayed in the Syrian language which his mother taught Him. Gods name is Iliya. All the apostles were Syrian. Jesus does not like Jews nor Jerusalem because that’s where He suffered and was killed.If Jesus was a Jew,then i am a descendant of King Henry.
Here’s the image that was unceremoniously censored since being re-posted on Unz … direct quote from a published journal, by Jewish author Marcus Eli Ravage in 1928
Besides all the evidence of Christ on earth and then the persecution of his disciples in sharing His Word that clearly shows His existence and all the righteous theology that followed, we have this; ‘Such is the mystery of faith.’
May The Lord be with you.
If Jesus was a fiction created by Jews, then one of the following must be true:
a) the Jews have an unbreakable habit of creating Golems that spin out of their control and attack them, or
b) they really hate themselves.
Hey, maybe BOTH are true!!
If this is indicative of the quality of the rest of Mr Dalton’s writings, one can only weep at the state of higher education, that a man of such capacity was able to get a PhD or become a lecturer.
The further you are from a Muslim country, the more you are inclined to criticize Mohamed. But Christians are forgiving. Do you know that Hrist, Christ or Christos means Heavenly Ruler of History. Even the etymology is English, not Greek. Jesus was a Syrian. On the cross Jesus prayed in the Syrian language which His mother taught Him. Gods name is Iliya. All the apostles (apostol originally meant waiter) were Syrian. Jesus does not like Jews nor Jerusalem because thats where He suffered and was killed. If Jesus was a Jew then i am a descendant of King Henry. The whole of the New Testament is anti-Jewish.
The screen name is homage to Albert J. Nock and his writing of same name.
“You cannot reason a person out of a position he did not reason himself into in the first place.”
― Jonathan Swift
You say that Gurdjieff said, “Christianity stole everything they have from the Greeks and then they spoiled it.” From where do you draw that quote?
In P.D. Ouspensky’s “In Search of the Miraculous” Gurdjieff is quoted as saying his system “is esoteric Christianity.” p. 102
On pages 302-3 he quotes Gurdjieff at length, “The question of the origin of the Christian church…is much more interesting than we think…the church and worship in the form which they took in the first centuries of Christianity could not have been borrowed from paganism…the Jewish synagogue, the Jewish temple, Greek and Roman Temples.”
“The Christian church, the form of Christian worship, was not invented by the fathers of the church. It was all taken in ready-made form from Egypt, only not from the Egypt that we know but from one which we do not know… but existed much earlier… Only small bits of it survived in historical times…”
“…this prehistoric Egypt was Christian many thousands of years before the birth of Christ…was composed of the same principles and ideas that constitute true Christianity. Special schools existed which were called ‘schools of repetition.’” …
“…the form of worship in Christian churches almost entirely represents the course of repetition of the science dealing with the universe and man. Individual prayers, hymns, responses, all had their own meaning… though their meaning has been forgotten long ago.”
“….A ceremony is a book in which a great deal is written. Anyone who understands can read it. One rite often contains more than a hundred books.”
ROFL. Was this drivel intended to be some sort of ‘Christian criticism’ satire?
The big exposé: Jesus… was a JEW!!! Got’cha Christianity!
The article(?) and the comments, wow. A whole other level in the forum, lol.
Yes, Jesus was indeed a Jew (descendant from Abraham and King David). All you have to do to unveil this mystery is… to read the very first paragraphs of the New Testament. Gospels of Matthew or Luke to be precise, where they painstakingly establish His linage (and there is a reason why they want to establish Jesus as a Jew without a doubt).
What is even this, this is beyond idiotic. You have to know NOTHING about Christianity to come up with this nonsense. Probably the second thing you know, when learning about Christ, is that he was Jew. Being the first that he was the Son of God. At least the author got the name correct, the title could be as easily “Robert the Jew”. I mean, wow, just wow. To the illiterates here, so you know, Jesus HAS TO BE Jew for the whole ordeal to work. This is so freaking retarded that indeed, if what you want is to “debunk” Christianity, you should be arguing that Jesus was NOT Jew.
Does that mean that Christians are Jews? No. Jews reject Christ. If you are a Jew, you cannot be Christian. If you are Christian, you cannot be Jew. Two totally exclusive things, diametrically opposed. The Judeo-Christian thing is just gaslighting, you cannot be a Christian and a Jew, or a Jew Christian, or a Jew that happens to believe in Christ, or whatever.
Christianity was a positive force in degenerated Roman and Greek “civilization”. The problem is that most people equate all pagan religion with the one practiced in degenerate slave owning societies.
Excellent observations.
*they* have been scripting the narratives for thousands of years.
But the four gospel beatles created something far greater than they imagined,
like some out-of-control golem.
For the messages of christ surpass the reality of the man,
so whether or not he existed is moot.
An interesting aside:
Christian values such as humility, charity, honesty, integrity
are the opposite of jewish values
and are the cornerstones of harmony.
Thank you for the references.
I think there could be many more but to avoid a long drawn confrontation between believers and non believers, we can refer to an important claim of history, but more to what is happening today to try to solve the riddle of Jesus being a myth or a reality on the one hand, and wether he was the son of God or just another philosopher on the other hand.
History:
If eleven of Jesus’s twelve disciples were martyred, as various tales attest to, then it is doubtful that those martyred accepted to die for a lie. There is something big that motivated them to the road of martyrdom.
Now:
The current reach of evil among mankind is unparalleled in history and things looks like coming soon to a head, with the satanists in control of most of the levers of power. If the satanists can get their own way, soon mankind will be living in a dystopia with horrible consequences which would embody a combination of Orwell’s 1984 and Huxley’s Brave New World. One of the greatest messengers of such evil, Claus Schwab, gave us a window to such a world with his agenda 2030. So it all hinges on wether the satanists succeed or fail, for their failure will be nothing short of an act of a loving God, for I cannot envision an organised human resistance that can put such evil to rest. And such a victory over evil should boost a believer’s faith in the Jesus story. And if the satanists succeed, then Christian believers in the second coming of Christ, which I interpret as the defeat of the organised legions of Satan, will have to concede that Christian beliefs are built on quicksand.
Let us wait and see what happens irrespective of the materialistic Nietzsche creed that mankind is limited to earthly presence and that life should be devoted to celebrating the motherhood of the planet we are dwelling upon with no belief in the afterlife.
Thank you, Rebbe. Thank you.
Do you have any more information about this? Any books or sources that go more into this? Thanks.
Disavowing Christianity to own the Jews?
[Why do you overlook Jesus birth place in Bethlehem Judea? What about his parents?
Why do you overlook he was called a Rabbi?]
According to the covenant, anyone who is not born to Judean parents is not considered a true Jew. The Cana Wedding, where Jesus supposedly performed his first miracle, were way outside Judea, in what is now called Southern Lebanon. Marie was invited by her own relatives who were probably Samaritan which negates her being a Jewess. That makes Jesus a less than second rate Jew.
Rabbi means Master and the title was not restricted to the clergy.
Paul came first, the true founder of Christianity, which he obviously conceives as universalisation of the Chosen People Hebrew text based and Temple sacrifice based religion he grew up with and worked passionately for, before his conversion.
Then came Mark, a literary genius.. Mark was needed because Paul’s Christ God was not human and thus not appealing to the masses. Paul’s churches needed to compete with other religous groups which believed men became gods and could work miracles.
Mark took the story of a legendary holy man and created the greatest novel ever written. The legendary holy man in fact was an enlightened adept of disembodied Tibetan masters. This holy man saw that enlightenment meant an understanding of the nature of cultural conditioning, and thus he realized that that his own conditioning was just memory, and that realization gave him special healing powers and a complete lack of fear of religious (ie conditioning agents) authorities. This holy man was only enlightened a few years before he was killed and thus he was, like many young men, passionate and fearless but not not wise. Mark, while using some of his ‘teachings’ also turned the holy man on his head, in order to support Paul’s cosmic Christ story.
Paul, with his cosmic Christ and Mark, with his earthy Jesus, combined the deep human need for sacrifice stories with a universal God rather than a tribal god, and an Every People rather than a Chosen People, and the result was the foundation of Christianity.
It doesn’t really matter if Yeshua existed or not. What matters is whether you plan to be a liar tomorrow or not.
Christianity makes many falsifiable claims and indeed most of them have been falsified. It makes the same claims, and has likewise been falsified, even if Yeshua was completely real and stood up and walked around after he died.
You don’t need to ‘win.’ Or at least, I don’t need to ‘win.’ Maybe you’re a devout Satanist despite displaying a surface-level rejection of Christianity, which would indeed place you in a precarious position requiring world domination and thought-police.
What a blasphemous load of 💩 this “article” is.
Lots of writings are lost. Jesus was not a politician or writer, did not seek worldly fame, chosen only 12 close followers. To surmise that he did not exist when even his adversaries did not deny his earthly existence is preposterous. Those 12 itinerant preachers just had a shared hallucination and Paul played 4D chess, going against the powerful Pharisees but secretly upholding them.
It is verging on absurd to state that Christians don’t know that Jesus was a Jew. We know. We also know that the Jews today are descended from the Pharisee sect and not the same as the Jews 2000 year ago, no matter how ostentatiously they dance with the Torah, that they deem less important than various blabbering rabbis ramblings.
I get the impression that James as ‘the brother of Jesus (Josephus) and the first bishop of the Xn church in Jerusalem was a historical figure.
The writers were very clearly mortal at most.
Jehovah could have put a stop to the whole thing if he merely put a Fence around the Tree instead of expecting children to perfectly obey verbal instruction. Jehovah functionally left infants unsupervised around heavy industrial equipment. Hey look, they got injured; Jehovah allegedly then blamed the infants.
And we’re supposed to believe he’s omniscient? The Bible is a joke book.
While nobody with a brain takes myths literally, I’m merely speaking the same metaphorical language, and pointing out it barely works as a story. It’s a reasonable myth assuming it was written for extremely Prideful desert goatherders. What a coincidence.
In summary, anything written by god would be written better than what I personally could produce, rather than riddled with obvious solecisms and shortcuts.
In this case, by *they* we mean the gods have inflicted delusion on you for being so weak as to find insanity believable. You can just turn off the TV, and you haven’t. Your suffering is 100% warranted. You’re literally asking for it.
Oh boy.. what a sad article, i couldn’t get past 25% thru it. Dalton must have been born a catholic.. he must really hates the thought of a Savior paying the price of his sins. As far a Jesus being a ‘Jew’ it seems Dalton hates Jews more then he ‘should’ love the Lord with all your heart and soul.
I see the term ‘Jew’ as a term that changed at the even of the coming of Christ. As far as todays definition of what a Jew is.. if Jesus were a Jew, then He’d deny Himself, which makes no sense. It’s safe to say, He was born into Jewish parents and raised as a Jew.. but again, as for todays definition of a Jew, He most certainly is not.
If Thomas Dalton can understand this.. perhaps this may clear up his understanding.
I commend Ron Unz for his willingness to publish all possible viewpoints, no matter how far-fetched, apparently naive, or edgy.
But a variety of views is one thing, and quality of scholarship and argument is another.
There are highly respectable, philosophically and scholarly developed criticisms of theism and of Christianity. The genre has existed for centuries, if not millennia, and anyone arguing against Christianity has a very high bar to clear indeed if they want to contribute anything worthwhile to the existing body of literature.
Unfortunately, it appears to be extremely difficult to find anyone capable of presenting a mature defense of atheism today. And this present offering is truly bottom of the barrel, no better than your average “internet atheist”, ca. 2008.
Thomas Dalton does not even begin to understand what the Christian Church believes and teaches, nor does he feel any obligation to do so before presenting his “criticism”.
Where to even begin. Let’s not enter into the historicity of Jesus question, that has been done to death. Jesus is very plausible historical, and yes, to contemporaries (other than his disciples), he would have been just another wandering rabbi. There is no contradiction whatsoever in accepting the historicity of the person and still being an atheist, on one hand, and you’re never going to be able to prove positively that he is not, in fact, historical, so the question is neither here nor there.
The claim that there are “242 Catholic and 9000 Protestant” denominations, and that “and of course, only one (at most!) can be right” is completely inane. Of the “242 Catholic” denominations, most do either recognize one another, or at least suspend judgement. Not to mention the 9000 Protestant ones, which are nearly all in agreement that “accepting Jesus” is enough to be saved. Note that nobody is as quick as the teenage atheist to conclude that “haha, everyone is going to hell for believing a false thing”. That’s only easy to do if it’s all a joke to you anyway. Well, of course Christianity may well be a joke to you if you are an atheist. And this means that you don’t think it is worth studying, so that understandably you don’t have the first inkling of what Christianity even is. That’s fine, of course, but why on earth would anyone be interested in your “criticism” of a topic in which you have no interest and which you have never bothered to even look into in any detail?
A Late now in Heaven , New York Rabbi , once told me a Jesus Joke . I forget the theme , but it started with a Greek Pagan meme about a few fish , bits of bread , and the miracle . Well , God cut the fish and the bread into little – measured pieces . He ,gender specific , then threaded the hooks and caught fish . After all , God Almighty , he was a fisherman . He- sent his disciples to sell the fish – they bought meat – wine – bread – plenty of bread – you need bread and threaded fish guts to catch fish ! By now the party was happening ! Hundreds got fed ! Got Bent . Got Spent . Many were be got / Miracle – MAGIC ! Basic commerce ! Greek not Jewish ! We Jews call him JEW-SUSS ( suspect and SS! ) Of course this particular Rabbi who in New York was the Messiah (true , many indeed believe !That particular secular Rabbi with the real messianic humour was pissed when I, Georgious Gemistos Plethon told him we Hellenes OWN THE COPYRIGHT ! And the Myth was based on APOLLONIUS OF TYANA ! Except he was REAL ! Jewsus Jesus Jewsuss ! The Jews were cast from Babylon ! Not Egypt ! They bought London New York Jerusalem – they stole Zoroaster – they sold Jesus – Mo – Shemp – Larry -? But the real Jewsuss – was a Greek Living Cult – Real – and his name is Apollonius we owned the copyright – trademark – so they screwed us on the deal ! True mate – the Rabbi also told me the Hellenes when they invaded they forbid only Human Sacrifice in Gods Offerings ! Believe in any God – but if you do human sacrifice- no – no ! Alexander was a Pagan – but didn’t like Human Sacrifice ! He civilised the Arabs – Jews – types that lingered in their little kiddy killing in the name of GOD ! The GOD OF THE GREEKS DOES NOT SACRIFICE HIS CHILDREN ! This was the Rabbi – out of his hat – talking shop ! P.S. “HE TOLD ME – JESUS WAS A SOCIALIST ! I told hi NO – I BELIEVE IN THE GREEK FISH TRICK !
A Late now in Heaven , New York Rabbi , once told me a Jesus Joke . I forget the theme , but it started with a Greek Pagan meme about a few fish , bits of bread , and the miracle . Well , God cut the fish and the bread into little – measured pieces . He ,gender specific , then threaded the hooks and caught fish . After all , God Almighty , he was a fisherman . He- sent his disciples to sell the fish – they bought meat – wine – bread – plenty of bread – you need bread and threaded fish guts to catch fish ! By now the party was happening ! Hundreds got fed ! Got Bent . Got Spent . Many were be got / Miracle – MAGIC ! Basic commerce ! Greek not Jewish ! We Jews call him JEW-SUSS ( suspect and SS! ) Of course this particular Rabbi who in New York was the Messiah (true , many indeed believe !That particular secular Rabbi with the real messianic humour was pissed when I, Georgious Gemistos Plethon told him we Hellenes OWN THE COPYRIGHT ! And the Myth was based on APOLLONIUS OF TYANA ! Except he was REAL ! Jewsus Jesus Jewsuss ! The Jews were cast from Babylon ! Not Egypt ! They bought London New York Jerusalem – they stole Zoroaster – they sold Jesus – Mo – Shemp – Larry -? But the real Jewsuss – was a Greek Living Cult – Real – and his name is Apollonius we owned the copyright – trademark – so they screwed us on the deal ! True mate – the Rabbi also told me the Hellenes when they invaded they forbid only Human Sacrifice in Gods Offerings ! Believe in any God – but if you do human sacrifice- no – no ! Alexander was a Pagan – but didn’t like Human Sacrifice ! He civilised the Arabs – Jews – types that lingered in their little kiddy killing in the name of GOD ! The GOD OF THE GREEKS DOES NOT SACRIFICE HIS CHILDREN ! This was the Rabbi – out of his hat – talking shop ! P.S. “HE TOLD ME – JESUS WAS A SOCIALIST ! I told hi NO – I BELIEVE IN THE GREEK FISH TRICK ! “
Also, there is a dystopian novel by Evgeny Zamyatin “We” (1920, Soviet Russia), published 12 years earlier than Huxley’s novel and 29 years earlier than Orwell’s. And the ending in “We” is much more hardcore and realistic, for my taste.
It’s not quite that simple.
The character in the stories performs several Exorcisms; the first is Exorcising a Rabbi. So the Jews plot to kill him. He raises a couple of people from the Dead. So the Jews of the time want him dead and they send in the equivalent of modern journalists asking gotcha questions. He walks into the Treasury and attacks the pile of Gold the Jews are amassing so they finally kill him.
This is not a good look Schlomo.
At some point in this interesting discussion, somebody should try to define the word ‘Jew,’ much used here. My impression (quite likely wrong) is that the word ‘Judean’ existed then as meaning an inhabitant of Judea, Was a Galilean who attended a synagogue a ‘jew’?
I presume you are referring to the passage of Jesus and the woman taken in adultery. I’ve read that this is widely considered to be a later interpolation:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_and_the_woman_taken_in_adultery
Question. Does consciousness emerge from complexity, or does increasing complexity reveal consciousness? After all the cat is supposed to be both dead and alive, according to ” the science”.
Jerusalem and Parthia.
The Parthian Empire was an enduring empire based on a loosely configured system of vassal kings. This lack of a rigidly centralized rule over the empire had its drawbacks, such as the rise of a Jewish bandit-state in Nehardea (see Anilai and Asinai). Yet, the tolerance of the Arsacid dynasty was as legendary as the first Persian dynasty, the Achaemenids. There is even an account that indicates the conversion of a small number of Parthian vassal kings of Adiabene to Judaism. These instances and others show not only the tolerance of Parthian kings, but is also a testament to the extent to which the Parthians saw themselves as the heir to the preceding empire of Cyrus the Great. The Parthians were very protective of the Jewish minority as reflected in old Jewish saying “When you see a Parthian charger chained to a tombstone in the Land of Israel, the hour of the Messiah will be near”.
The Babylonian Jews wanted to fight in common cause with their Judean brethren against Vespasian; but it was not until the Romans waged war under Trajan against Parthia that they acted. To a large extent, the revolt of the Babylonian Jews meant that the Romans did not become masters of Babylonia. Philo speaks of the large number of Jews resident in that country, a population which was no doubt considerably swelled by new immigrants after the destruction of Jerusalem. Accustomed in Jerusalem from early times to look to the East for help, and aware, as the Roman procurator Petronius was, that the Jews of Babylon could render effectual assistance, Babylonia became with the fall of Jerusalem the very bulwark of Judaism. The collapse of the Bar Kochba revolt no doubt added to the number of Jewish refugees in Babylon.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Iran
JUDEA, JUDEAN, JUDAH, JUDAHITE, JUDAS — AND FINALLY, JEWS
Yes, see how confusing it becomes and the jews have promoted and capitalized on this phonic similarity of terms, and pardon me for repeating what many already know, but it’s so confusing I need to repeat this in order to get it straight in my own mind. I’m certainly no bible reader and it’s all so confusing, thanks to hundreds of years of jew lies and further dissemination of these lies by the modern jewsmedia and by the jew controlled Christian churches of today.
You have these Biblical terms: Judea, Judean, Judah, Judahite, from the time of Jesus, and finally the term, “jews”. These jews, who have sought to control information for hundreds of years, and actually do control all information today, have falsely inserted themselves into the thick of it by instilling the belief in today’s “judeo” Christians that Jesus, himself, was a jew. Socalled Bible believing Christians, who claim they read their Bibles, can’t see through the ubiquitous jew bullshit, not that emasculated, jew serving, pulpit parrots in today’s “Christian” churches would dare preach the distinction. It seems that merely due to the first syllable of these words, which sounds like “joo”, modern day jews have fooled everyone to think it refers to them, when it clearly does not. When speaking of Judeans, these are people who simply lived in the province of Judea — not that they were practitioners of judaism, but this is the nonsense that has been perpetrated on Christians to confuse them. Same with the term Judahites, which were descendants of the Tribe of Judah — again, not jews, but mistakenly referred to or thought of as jews, and then the deception is complete.
During Christ’s life, very few of the citizens of Judea were decendants of the Tribe of Judah, who were called Judahites. Some citizens belonged to other tribes of Israel, but most were descendants of Esau (Edomites). Esau was the brother of the patriarch Jacob and became the ancestor of the people called Edom, or Idumea. The Pharisees are actually of the bloodline of Esau, known as Edomites. Esau left his racially pure Abrahamic origins and lived with the Canaanites, where he married wives from the darker-skinned peoples (This is miscegenation.). This was against Mossaic law which commanded it’s White (Adamic) adherents to maintain the purity of their Adamic bloodline. The Edomite assimilation into Palestine opened the way for their takeover of Palestine. The Edomites moved from the arid country of Edom into the more hospitable environment of Judea, an influx obviously encouraged for political reasons by the ruling Herodian dynasty. Edomites would have been appointed to the most influential positions, in order to extend and consolidate Edomite authority over Palestine and its people. For example, King Herod was an Edomite. He was made king of Judea by the Romans initiating the Edomite dynasty which ruled Palestine under Roman authority for over a hundred years
The Pharisees were also, Edomites (termed “jews” in the Bible only after 1776), which was the bloodline of Esau while Jesus descended from the bloodline of Jacob (not jews). Herod became notorious for his massacre of infant boys two years old and under,” a supernaturally inspired attempt on the life of Christ (Matthew 2:16). Those few Judahites living in Judea joined with the Edomite majority and became followers of the hybrid religion of Pharisaism developed during the captivity in Babylon. Pharisaism is not the Law of Moses, Mossaic Law was the religion that Jesus Christ taught. It is the religion of the Talmud which is called Judaism today; it was condemned by Christ, since it is the antithesis of the Mosaic Law and the prophets. For His crusade to upend this religion of evil, the Pharisees — the jews! — demanded Christ be executed.
The point is that one who is labelled a “Jew” in current printings of the Bible, is not necessarily a chosen man of God, a follower of Moses and the prophets, a member of the tribe of Judah, an Israelite, or even a Semite, but one who is a resident of Judea, with no reference to any religion. A Judean, is simply a person from Judea. But a well-organized and well-financed international “pressure group”, world jewry, created a “secondary meaning” for the relatively new word “Jew”, that implies it pertains to the people of today who call themselves jews, which is not the understanding intended by the Scripture. Those who call themselves jews today falsely imply they are somehow descendants of the tribes of Israel and chosen of God. Yet they are obviously not “Judeans,” or residents of Judea.
By the time of Jesus the word Edom or Edomite had been translated by Greek and Latin into Ioudaios and Iudaeus meaning a Judean or person living in Judea. The original King James version of the Bible, 1611, translated Idumaean-Judean into ‘iewes’. It wasn’t until the revised editions of the King James Bible in the 18th Century, that the word Jew first appeared. The word Jew does not mean Israel or Israelite. Loudaios Greek: Ioudaioi) is a Greek ethnonym used in classical and biblical literature which commonly translates to “Jew” or “Judean”, each meaning someone from Judea. In its various meanings, the word has also been translated as “Judahites”, “people of the region of Judah/Judea” (Greek: ??da?a) and “leaders of Judea”. (all you ever wanted to know about the origins of the word, “jew”: http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/jew.htm )
In the Bible, neither Adam, Seth nor Noah are called “jew”. Nor were Abraham, Isaac or Jacob (Israel) called “jew”. Moses was not called a jew, and neither was David or his son Solomon called a jew. In fact, you will NOT find the term “jew” in the first ELEVEN books of the Bible! The first time “jews” are mentioned in the parchments, is in 2 Kings 16:6, and then only in translations revised in the 18th century. In 2 Kings, chapter 16, you will find that Jacob/Israel was at war with the “jews” and drove the “jews” from Elath. All must simply take some time to look at their Bibles to see the deception. Another key issue that modern “Christians” (I use quotes because most of them worship today’s jews, not Christ) fail to understand is that the term “Israel” in the bible, never referred to a place or to the jews of today or jews at all, just as the term Israelites, does not refer to jews.
Jesus, of course, was not a jew, nor was he a practitioner of judaism or even a Judean, nor was he a resident of Judea. Jesus of Nazareth was a Galilean or a resident of Galilee (Matthew 26:69; John 7:41). Again, Jesus was not a jew, he was a Judahite, a member of the Tribe of Judah, who were not “jews”, and has nothing to do with those Talmudists who call themselves jews today. The word merely sounds similar, and jews have used that deception to claim they are Judahites, which again, they are not. They are Edomites, which are decendants of Jacob’s brother, Esau. A Judahite is simply a descendent of the Tribe of Judah and Judah was one of the twelve sons of Jacob (also referred to by the name: Israel), each of which was the patriarch of their own tribe, hence, the 12 TRIBES *ISRAEL meaning the 12 Tribes of *Jacob. This very same patriarch, Jacob, was renamed Israel.
Take note that the Bible refers to Jacob as both Jacob and Israel even after his renaming most of the time. Hence, when Jesus was quoted in the Bible as saying, “I was only sent to the lost sheep of the House of Israel” (Matthew 15:24), he wasn’t talking about either the jews in the Middle East of today, or the Pharisaic priests of his day, or the modern day country of Israel. He was talking about the descendants of Jacob / Israel, the twelve tribes. So this is another term, “Israel” or perhaps, “Israelite”, the deceptive jews have taken and changed the modern meaning of to refer to themselves, when it does not — thus due to indoctrination and the willful ignorance of today’s Christians and their leaders, confusion reigns. Now we understand why the decendants of Khazars chose the deception to call themselves “jews” and to further deceive Christians, to call their nerve center of evil, “Israel”.
Thanks.
My one point on it is that
is not true, not possible, and ignorant.
Rabbinical Judaism did not exist at the times of writing and was only founded centuries later.
Translations that use ‘rabbi’ are false and only use the word because the translators are infected by the heresy of ‘Christian Zionism’.
Notice how this “Dalton” person, if he’s an actual person and not a creation of Khazarian mafiosi, goes after the religion of the Caucasians, but doesn’t go after Moses? Why hasn’t he written anything about whether Moses ever existed? He also doesn’t write anything about whether David or Solomon existed, interesting, no? He is doing the same thing Khazarians have been doing for centuries, trying to destroy the Faith Euro-man carried in his heart as he rose up and conquered the world. The men who chased the Musselmen out of Europe had crosses on their shields. The men who conquered the world had crosses on their flags. The men who created all the world’s great art, literature, architecture and scientific advances went to Church on Sunday and knelt to Christ. “Dalton”, or “Daltofsky” is just another Khazarian trying to destroy the White race that defeated his people. Don’t listen to him.
Jesus was obviously Jewish in the Gospels, it plainly says he was Jewish. He had a conflict with the Jews of his time regarding the nature and will of God.
No one knows for sure who the descendents of Abraham (ethnic group, “Jews”) actually are.
Jesus in the Gospels did not preach the “law and the prophets”, he preached “the Kingdom of God”.
The agnostics are right, there may or may not be a God, God has not shown itself for the whole world to see and to document its existence as being factual and not just a belief.
This is a belief that the author holds, he hasn’t proven anything at all: “The implications of this short exposé are devastating for Christians and Christianity. Given the total lack of corroborating evidence, we can say with certainty that the miracle-man Jesus did not exist; therefore, Christianity is a farce and the Gospels are at least half fiction.”
Jesus did not say to worship him, he said to worship God, therefore this notion that non-Jews are worshipping a Jew is total nonsense. Moreover, God says in Isaiah about the “Jews”: “It is a light thing that thou (Messiah) shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob (Jews, an ethnic group) and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles (“nations”, “non-Jews), that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the Earth.”
I believe in God, ONE GOD, a supernatural being that does exist, also I believe in Heaven, ONE AFTERLIFE that does exist. That said, I don’t worship God, I’m not religious. Would I prefer to live in a) majority Christian nation that believes in equal rights for all people including the non-religious, representative Democratic Republic governance and Constitutional/Natural Law b) majority any other religion nation c) majority atheist (there is no God) nation. The answer is a). No one else but good enlightened Christian neighbors can be trusted to be good neighbors for very long.
Thanks for a very interesting article! In the article there are many similarities with the Jesus Report book of Johannes Lehmann.
Jesus Report, Protokoll einer Verfälschung
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“Leo Tolstoy’s aim was to purify the Orthodox faith from Old Testament leaven and he carried only the so-called New Testament with him.”
Luther’s merit is that he did try to make a distinction between Judaism, the Old Testament, and the Talmud written by the rabbis, which haunts the background and is ultimately more important than the Torah. (Netanyahu has said that Talmud is enough even as a basis for Israeli policy.)
Tolstoy was a wise man. The OT and the NT are two different works and doctrines. Mixing and matching them destroys the message of the historical Jesus. Paul’s Jesus is not the same as the historical J even though it is taken as a guide by Christian theologians.
Historical J and theological J are two different things.
Johannes Lehmann explains in his book (Jesus Report, Protokoll einer Verfälschung) what this difference is and why historical J has been replaced by theological J.
What is the truth about Jesus? Archaeological discoveries have firmly established that J really did live, but what about all the religious beliefs that have been entwined with him for 2,000 years?
How many of them are true, what is the historical truth? Was J the son of God or a Jewish monk?
This book sketches a full-body picture of J from the scrolls of the Essenes found at Qumran on the shores of the Dead Sea. These controversial manuscripts, which predate the New Testament, show that Christianity has over time explained many things differently from the way J intended them.
Lehmann points to several passages in the New Testament as forgeries. Christian scribes have – either deliberately or inadvertently – made changes to the texts in order to make J fit seamlessly into the central figure of the new religion shaped by Paul.
The book on Rabbi J – under which J appears in this work – is a survey of misunderstanding. From the Qumran discoveries we learn what J really meant.
Excellent summary, thanks.
I am waiting to see who else resonates with what you have written.
Thomas Dalton as always is excellent, succinct, and informative. Heil Wodan.
However, modern genetics show that Ashkenazi Jews are a mixture of female Italians and male Middle Easterners. So it’s questionable whether they are really Jews.
As for his father, it’s possible it was Panthera the Roman. This explains why Jesus’ philosophy was not so full of hate and ethnocentrism, as Judaism is. Would also explain why it was so easy to attach Christianity to the Greek and Roman world.
I have met only one Christian in my entire life.
He is a practicing Catholic. He gave away most of what he earned as a small town housing inspector- after he fed and clothed his children.
He would go back on his days off and repair elderly’s people homes so he would not have to cite and fine them. He was later fired for this behavior. His consulting business barely stays afloat because he charges on a sliding scale.
His wife cheated on him and divorced him. He was devastated. Even though he is a handsome and fit man, he has never remarried or even had sex, because he believes marriage is a sacrament.
His free time is spent in prayer circles and protesting abortion clinics, exercising, reading the Bible and going to mass. He was kicked off all social media for quoting scripture and refusing to back down to his woke mealy mouth catholic contemporaries.
He is losing his hearing. His children love him, but they have their own lives.
With all the misery and hardship this world rains down, both from nature and other repulsive humans….what sick mind would seek to force others to live like this?
Is Judaism a race or a religion? This author seems to argue race, because you can always leave a religion, as Jesus’s followers did.
A truly blind man would simply have wiped the spit/dirt away with his hand,
because being blind the spit/dirt would have no effect on his sight.
A scammer beggar posing as a blindman still wants to keep his eyesight,
so he will want to wash all that gunk out of his eyes.
It’s like when Jesus preaches against those who harm children.
You get an insight into how crooked and perverted things could be there.
You never get the Sanhedrin saying to Pilate,
‘he’s a wrong’un but he does try to protect the children and the weak’.
And there’s a good reason they wouldn’t say that…
Oh, I’m not going to follow Christ. I’m going to follow Dalton, the new more fashionable Christ.
Doesn’t sound quite right to me. The only “cross” originally associated with Xristos is the letter X itself. Paul said that Xristos died on a stake – not a Roman cross. Constantine adopted the first two letters of Xristos as his symbol. There was never any real cross nor, originally, was there even an imaginary cross in Christianity. The cross became an abbreviation and symbol of Xristos. A metonyme.
Thus if KRST means cross in Serbian that usage suggests post Christian origin. As for Jesus speaking Aramaic, that’s just fictional nonsense. The words of Christ come to us in their original Greek. He didn’t exist, he is a literary figure who has gone through distinct evolutionary phases.
It doesn’t matter if 1st Century Judeans spoke Aramaic if Jesus Christ was fictional. Although that still leaves the question of why the very first Jewish Bible was published in Greek and why the 1st century Judean named Paul proselytized in Greek. Where exactly is the Hebrew language in all this, again? It’s supposed to be the mother of Semitic languages, is it not? Why were Judeans stuck with Greek and Aramaic?
Lol, I thought about Fisking, but this drivel is so error-filled, ignorant and ridiculous that it would take too long.
There are two things to remember:
1. There is one, and only one true God
2. The way to him is through accepting his son, whom he sent in human form, as your Lord.
Everything else is deception by a miserable Satanist.
Congrats Haxo, your theory of Jesus’ origin makes more sense than most others I’ve read about, certainly more than the one I was taught in Sunday school 60+ years ago. Did you make this up or did you read about it somewhere?
An extremely interesting take on the origin of Christianity but I had a question – Like other new religions where it was found by a member or members of an existing faith like Buddha or Guru Nanak who originally were indigenous Hindus who found Buddhism and Sikhism respectively, wouldn’t the same principle apply to Jesus who was born a indigenous jew but who founded Christianity as a new religion and then started practicing it ?
If you own a television you’re a “Jew-worshipper.”
(I don’t).
If Jesus was anything close to the miracle-worker that the Bible describes, there would be a mountain of testifying evidence: documents, carvings, engravings, letters, etc.
And why would that be the case? Most historical figures only have a few references at the most. Hundreds of years of British history only exist from a single reference. There are massive gaps in European history even after the enlightenment.
And these would exist from his followers, his skeptics, his critics, and the Romans who ruled the region.
He is mentioned by the Romans in Annals ( c. 116 CE), book 15, chapter 44.
https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.02.0078%3Abook%3D15%3Achapter%3D44
Historians believe he existed. The theory that Paul made it all up was never ran by anyone with a background in Roman history. It’s been dishonestly promoted by liberals for years.
Well, he was a Hebrew, what we think of as “Jews” did not exist back then. They are the creation of two millennia of selective pressure as nationless outsiders since. Bloodhounds, Rhode Island Reds, Sungold Tomatoes, Black Angus Cattle, etc didn’t exist in the first century AD just as the subversive Soros Shylock types are a modern creation as well. Hebrews were a normal functioning nation will all types of individuals and personalities, farmers, priests, construction workers, warriors, etc. They were destroyed between 70AD and in particular after the Bar Kochba uprising in 135AD. That nation was murdered by the Romans, a few survived and were enslaved, but a lot of expats were already living for centuries around the near east and were unaffected by the wars in Judea. Paul was not from Palestine, he was an educated Greek speaking Jewish town dweller from South West Turkey. Part of Jewish resentment against the west is due to the destruction of their nation and turning them into the “villains” of the empire, far more intense than the anti muslim sentiment after 911.
Christianity too was rewritten making the jews the villains responsible for Jesus’ crucifixion when no Jewish crowd in Jerusalem ever cheered when one of their revolutionaries was being executed by the Romans. This was to make it acceptable in the Greco Roman world where the Jewish faith was regarded with suspicion as “seditious” after several failed uprisings. The faith too was mostly a big hit only among Greek Gentiles who like the concept of the Hebrew God but didn’t want to undergo painful circumcision as an adult, nor all the kosher dietary laws and overly complex “purity” rituals you find in the Book of Moses. (Heck, some Orthodox Jews these days go so far as to remove the lighbulbs from their refrigerators on the Sabbath so it doesn’t “do work” when they open the door. Autist crap.) The survivors of the destruction of the Hebrew Nation of course did not like the fake version of their faith the gentiles spun up…casting them as the villains as a final slap in the face. So no, I don’t think it was a Jewish takeover of Rome. Catholic Churches look more like a Pagan temple, Islam is more consistent with the gist of Judaism with prohibitions on idolatry and dietary laws. No doubt inspired by the surviving non Pauline Jewish form of Christianity that had fled outside of Roman borders into Arabia influencing Mohammed.
While a real person was probably executed for some sort of Temple takeover in the early decades of the 1st century AD, the Gospels seem to be mostly fiction reimagining the events of that time using more contemporary personalities and events known to the late 1st century authors. Sort of like how in those terrible prequels Lucas spun up he tossed the whole 911 war on terror themes that never would have colored the films had they been written in the late 70s. It seems the Gospel narrative casts the Roman Governor of Palestine Felix with his powerful Herodian wife into the Pontius Pilate character, Jesus’ entry into Jerusalem and retreat to Gethsemane seem to be the plot of the more contemporary revolt of “The Egyptian” Jewish expat. Luke itself is now widely suspected to be written in the late 90s early 100s due to many allusions to the works of Josephus’ antiquities which the author must have read as a blueprint to the historical background of the story they were writing. It must have been written after publication. But the fact Jesus was crucified, a punishment reserved for sedition against Rome, strongly suggests he was someone real in the past. No completely fictional story would ever make up that difficult thing to explain away. However, he could have been earlier than 30AD, Paul seems to know very little about him suggesting he is already fairly distant in the past. Could well have been 15-20AD or so.
One final thing is there is no evidence of a “Nazareth” during the 1st century AD. There is something called a “Nazerite” which is an oath of avoidance of things like alcohol, meats, etc that Holy Men would take. Could well be that the Greeks who spun up the Jesus tale heard by word of mouth that he was a “Nazerite” and mistakenly thought it was a place, not a title. Thus spun up the whole tale of his village that local inhabitants centuries later gladly created as a tourist trap for visiting pilgrims to come spend their money in.
You are just repeating the the Talmud myths written by Jews that hated non-Jews. If you accept those as be true then you must be a Talmudist that believes Jesus is spending his eternal life in a boiling cauldron of human waste as is written in the Talmud.
Your words speak to me. I am humbled by your candour.
Would you consider yourself christian too?
Maybe you shoud read Maria Valtorta in order understand what is christianity and overall understand Jesus’ wonderful teaching. Maybe then you would stop spewing such insanities.
this applies especially to all religion-haters who got their hatred from their religious-hating parents.
This story and most of the comments confirm so much of what Christianity teaches about mankind. Reading all this makes it easy to see why White civilization is being swallowed up by the godless heathens and degenerates. The Jews knew what they were doing when they worked so hard to remove Christianity from American culture. What you see today, a Jew controlled culture and country of filth and deviancy, where Whites are being systematically removed, came easy after that.
What I found most amusing was that this author’s article first appeared on Occi – a ‘dissertation’ claiming no evidence existing about the legitimacy of Jesus’s divine origin and existence – on the same day as Ron Unz’s long article on the media’s total non-reportage (i.e. suppression) of actual evidence of corruption of our esteemed leaders.
Seems like Satan wasn’t born yesterday, eh?
Such screeds above are laughable. His dating for scriptural writings are a bit loose, for example. The Synoptic gospels were written before Ad 55, and all of Paul’s writings were in circulation before Nero murdered him, the prison epistles being the latest.
Paul was a contemporary of Christ and saw some of eh miracles he performed. In short, he was an eyewitness. You’ll have to do better than the rubbish above to make any headway.
A few points:
* The NT books are primary source documents.
* If Paul was attempting to get the Romans’ focus off the Jews (promulgating a pro-Jewish, anti-Roman theology that would aid the Jewish cause) it failed horribly. There was massive “anti-semitism” from early Christianity against the Jews, and for good reasons.
* Paul, and all the other Apostles (except John), willingly gave up their lives, rather than to admit there was a hoax.
* According to Jesus in Matt 21: 33-46, the Jews are no longer God’s chosen people.
My take after 53 years of being a Christians is that the primary purpose of my faith life is to try to live morally. You may argue that you don’t need to believe in an ancient fairytale to make that your goal but I’d argue the obvious results of our ever secular, faithless world indicate otherwise.
Jesus was not a Jew. This lie has been repeated one million times to submit the Western civilization but it is not true.
Jesus was an Israelite. Israelites had multiple religious sects: one of them was the Pharisees and other one was the follower of Jesus. Jesus criticized the Pharisees: they were his enemies.
After the fall of the Temple in AD 70, the Pharisees created a new religion that ended up being based on the Talmud (Judaism). The followers of Jesus had already created a new religion that ended up being based on the New Testament (Christianity).
In both religions, the Old Testament (called Tanak in Judaism), which was the sacred book of the ancient Israelite religion (and was followed religiously), was preserved as a sacred book but it is not followed. See the rules about the sacrifice in the Temple written in the Old Testament. Neither Jews nor Christians follow that but the old Israelite religion did. This is history.
Saying that Jesus was a Jew is like saying Jesus was a Pharisee. Absurd. People identify today’s Judaism (based on the Talmud) with the ancient Israelite religion, while they are two different beasts. You can see Ron Unz’s articles about Judaism in this site.
Western civilization was only great when Christianity was great. I don’t mean today’s Jew-loving Judaizing church but the real Church. Then we had no problem with Jews.
Most Jews are atheist but they don’t attack their own ancestral religion, which can be very absurd. In fact, more public Jew religious symbols (such as menorahs) are financed by atheist Jews. They know that they are stronger with Judaism. They see you as a Christian, even if you don’t belief.
By contrast, people of Christian descent love LOVE to mock and insult Christianity. They are been taught by their ((((masters))), who do the same. Their masters know that, without Christianity, are weaker. And Western people love to posture being more rational, more sophisticated that their ancestors and spit in the things that were more sacred to their ancestors.
This is why the West is doomed and all these Christian countries you laugh so much about will exist one hundred years from now, but you won’t. Please keep laughing all the way to the grave.
If this was mentioned by a previous commenter, I apologize for the redundancy.
Zoroastrianism preceded Christianity by, more-or-less, six hundred years. Z’ism contains the same basic elements – a world saviour, a virgin birth, celestial rejoicing at the saviour’s birth, universal brotherhood. This is not to claim that those features were unique to Z’ism; a virgin birth is de rigueur for saviours across the religions of the world. I suppose the point is that the elements of Christianity are not in any way unique or even remarkable. It is remarkable, of course, that “Christianity” took over the Western world.
What are you talking about? Paul ADMITS that he made it all up. He calls himself the architect of the foundation of Christianity. He calls himself the one who gives birth to Christ. Does he describe Jesus’ birth or Jesus’ parents? No. Does he describe Jesus’ youth? No. Does he describe a wise man or miracle worker? No, in fact he complains that such men are absent. Does he quote Jesus? No. Does he describe Jesus’ political rebellion? No. Does he mention Pilate or Roman crucifixion? No. In fact what he tells us is that he learned all about Christ Jesus by reading the Jewish Bible. This is why Jesus is said to fulfill Jewish prophecies, because he was conceived in direct response to them! So if you’re ignorant enough to think that Paul can be used to defend a “historic” Jesus Christ, cite your verse.
As for the Annals of Tacitus, they may have been written in 116 CE (still far too late to be a witness to Christ), but their Christian testimony was completely unknown until the 14th century. So that’s just another fraudulent interpolation.
Paul and Mark are the basis of everything we know about Jesus Christ. And neither of them can be defended as historical accounts. Paul tells us that he is a Jewish con artist seeking donations from Gentiles for Jerusalem. He says he learned about the fulfillment of prophecies by Christ Jesus after reading his Septuagint and receiving visions.
Whereas Mark is very clearly advertised as a parable, and if taken as history, you must now explain why a world famous healer and teacher was only attested to by a single person of his era. Plus you must explain how and why Jesus predicted the fall of Jerusalem to Titus Flavius.
Christianism is a totalitarian sect, and does not differ in principle from other similar ones. Judaism is the most dangerous sect, Islamism is just as harmful and pathological, Buddhism is a little softer, Hinduism is the most anarchic. This is just an option for those who like to die/kill for the king/religion/state/human rights/Syrian refugees/Ukrainian Jews/Russian Jews/American Jews. You will be wasting your time if you continue reading after the title. Return to the worship of your great lucky ancestors, it will bring much more benefit to you and your families and will not do any harm.
Your mind and writing remind me of a very fruitful lush garden. I may not want to eat everything growing there, but by jove I am going to check it out and admire it, turn it over with curiosity.
You always give me pause and I take what you write very seriously.
Oh, those poor helpless Vikings scared of some monks in robes!
Hahahaha!
Go jump in a lake.
I enjoy the content this site provides but many of the regulars here are batshit crazy.
Probably most are agent provocateurs.
No way this site stays up unless the PTB want it up.
For Christ sake!
Jesus was not a Jew. Jesus was an Israelite. Israelites had multiple religious sects: one of them was the Pharisees and other one was the follower of Jesus. Jesus criticized the Pharisees.
After the fall of the Temple in AD 70, the Pharisees created a new religion that ended up being based on the Talmud (Judaism). The followers of Jesus had already created a new religion that ended up being based on the New Testament (Christianity). None of them was the Old Israelite religion (based on the Old Testament, which is preserved by Judaism and Christianity but not followed).
Saying Jesus was a Jew is like saying Jesus was a Pharisee. This is not true, whatever you think about Jesus.
Sorry to contradict you, but protestants, evangelists, etc., are not christians. They are ‘veterotestamenti’. They follow the Old Testament. They are more jewish than they think. Protestantism, in general, is a return to the O.T. and has been secretly fueled by the Jews along the centuries. Protestants believe in a Jesus Christ who is an avatar of Yahweh. The message of the O.T. is totally incompatible with that of the N.T. J.C. has never been and could not have been a ‘God of the armies. It is totally schyzophrenical to believe in J.C. and read the O.T.
This article offers several dubious arguments. The most obviously fallacious is the claim that if Jesus really worked miracles it would have been headline news and recorded in all the contemporaneous sources and later the history books. That is, of course, ridiculous. Accounts of alleged miracles and supernatural events, especially healings, are ubiquitous in most cultures. There are so many of them that only a minuscule minority are written down and remembered.
My Ph.D. dissertation compared medieval Moroccan Sufi saints’ legends (usually constructed around a miracle) to contemporary personal experience narratives of told-as-true “miraculous” events. For background I also looked at similar stories elsewhere including the US. I can assure you that there is no shortage of such stories – to say almost everybody has one or several would hardly be an exaggeration. No small number of people in today’s Morocco are doing things as outlandish as many of Jesus’s miracles, if my informants can be believed. There are people who teleport to Mecca or Algeria, others who stop or reverse time, still others who feed multitudes by miraculously pulling vast quantities of food out of the air. One fell off a hundred-foot cliff and wafted slowly to earth, saved by God for reasons known only to Him. Telepathy, clairvoyance, and precognition abound. And miracle healings, of course, are a dime a dozen.
So even if Jesus did everything the Gospels say he did, since there was no Fulbright scholar there taking notes, the real miracle is that any of it is still remembered today.
I believe in nothing except myself and what i experience. Everything else is horseshit including gods and religion. Churches are just businesses, another ponzi scheme to draw money from a community and burden the stupid even more. You just need to choose which horseshit you want to deal with during your short time on this planet.
Where does Paul describe seeing a miracle performed by Christ?
I believe Jesus existed, and I believe the four Gospels are what they purport to be. The reason is that no one who wanted them for some kind of plot would have used such pathetic witnesses to the claim that Jesus had been raised from the dead. Mark, the earliest, has nothing (which is a big problem for biblical scholars), while the others have virtually no resurrection stories in common. All of this is striking, given the fact that they all are largely in agreement about the immediately preceding events: the Last Supper, Gethsemane, betrayal, arrest, hearing before Pontius Pilate, crucifixion, death, and three days later, the women at the tomb. Then it all breaks down. What the hell happened?
It looks like there was a Plan A with no Plan B in case A failed. What was Plan A? We get hints from Luke 24:34 and I Corinthians 15:5, namely, that Peter had seen the risen Christ. If you are Christian, ask yourself why this incident, involving a disciple who is considered the first Pope, is somehow not described in detail anywhere in the New Testament. I suggest, however, that the original ending of Mark was centered around this incident. (Mark is supposed to have associated with Peter, so naturally the Gospel of Mark is basically the story of Jesus according to Peter.) It was the main story of the Resurrection. There may have been other stories of the risen Christ, but this was the main one. And then for some reason, it was thought to be problematic. Maybe it was unconvincing (because outsiders just thought Peter was hallucinating) or maybe it had embarrassing details (about which I refuse to speculate). The point is that it was seen as problematic. And once that happened, I suspect that there arose two factions who disagreed on what to do next. One faction wanted it altered (since the important thing wasn’t the truth but getting people to become followers of Christ), and the other faction was horrified at publishing a lie. They could never agree, but finally compromised by leaving it out entirely.
But this was obviously unsatisfactory. If you’re going to say that Jesus was raised from the dead, you better have some stories to that effect. But since there was no Plan B, each of the later gospel writers just picked out whatever they could from the oral tradition instead of following an agreed-upon narrative. After all, they had several decades in which to get their stories straight, and they couldn’t manage to do that. Something must have gone wrong, and they were unprepared for it.
The surprising thing is that this shambolic effort actually worked. Even today, when we all can read the New Testament (unlike in the Medieval period) and compare the evidence provided by the four accounts, there are still those believe and who even maintain that the evidence is strong. Incredible, but true.
What are you talking about? Paul ADMITS that he made it all up. He calls himself the architect of the foundation of Christianity.
No one is denying Paul’s influence on Christianity.
Thomas Dalton suggests that Jesus Christ never existed. That is not supported by mainstream historians.
Jesus Christ is referenced by both Jews and Romans.
The author is simply wrong.
It’s ridiculous to suggest that Pontius Pilate existed but Jesus was fabricated by Paul.
You seem to forget he reanimated dead people, amongst other supernatural acts. Ok, it had been done before, but never ever since. This is THE most incredible act in the history of humanity, and yet, nobody seems to be too bothered, least of all the Imperial Roman martial rulers at the time. Wow..Pilate never thought about this, that he should send him to Augustus in Rome? Or noone told him, because, well, bringing the dead back to life, curing illness with a touch, transmuting solids and liquids etc…no big deal really.
Seems like the most incredible acts ever in human history was just, well, all to common to record 2000 years ago.
Wayne, I only recently stumbled across the Marcionite Christian Church. I know every little about it except for its rejection of the entire Old Testament as well as the Four Gospels. It discards them all and begins with the letters of Paul. It was once the largest Christian Church in existence.
Two of my favorites are that the Marcionites fervently oppose the life-draining Jewish commandment to genitally mutilate 8-day-old baby boys (aka circumcision) – which modern Christianity, to its eternal damnation, accepts. And it rejects and ridicules the Covid scam.
The Church and its teachings still exist, if only on the Internet.
Their website: http://www.marcionitechurch.org. It contains several short, interesting podcasts as well. If I ever decided to be a Christian, I would be a Marcionite.
Christ overcame the sin of his “Jewishness”! 😇
Jesus was even less white than current Jews are. Jews before 70 AD weren’t even half-white like they are today. Jesus lived before Jews moved to Europe and mixed with white people.
Jesus would have looked like a modern day Arab, who can’t even pass as white like Jews can.
re: “Doesn’t go after Moses . . .(David . . .Solomon . . .)”
Flavio Barbieri has done fascinating work on the “disappeared” sons of Moses.
Innertraditions.com
Secret Society of Moses
I think that was made pretty clear when he called them Satan’s children and a den of snakes.
What happens after we die? Heaven? Hell? Purgatory? Reincarnation? Complete nonexistence? Regarding the latter at least that would be painless. You would be beyond guilt, fear, pain, etc. However, all of us disappearing into nothingness seems to make everything pointless. Nothing is permanent at some point, even the Pyramids will be reduced to grains of sand. What’s the point of having a family if their existence is only temporal. I don’t have answers to these questions. I’m just curious. Unless there is something beyond our mundane reality, everything is futile.
Guess what asswipe, no one is required to prove a negative. It is on you to prove the positive, and whining about the support of “mainstream historians” doesn’t cut it. Show us the evidence. Rehash the historians. Like you tried to do with Tacitus, before I pointed out to you that the Christian testimony of Tacitus is OBVIOUSLY FAKE.
Question: does Paul ever claim that Jesus walked on Earth?
Likewise, does Mark ever suggest that his story should be taken literally?
These two are the basis of Jesus Christ. Not history. Not even fake history. Just literature. The fake history came later.
If Jesus was a god, he couldn’t be a Jew, because gods have no race or ethnicity. His father was god, YAHWE and his mom human. That makes him demigod. Either way he wasn’t a Jew.
On his cross, initials INRI means: Iesus Nasarenus Rex Iudeorum. Iudekrum stands for Judeans Not Jews. Wrong translation.
What is his PhD in?
He clearly hasn’t done his research. Most scholars agree there is enough historic evidence to show that the individual existed.
That is still a far cry from saying he was divine or had supernatural powers.
And no one should take the bible literally given the problems with the original authors, selection of texts, editing, translation, etc.
It remains:
The Old Testament is the Jewish religion with a vengeful God. It is tribal. In the New Testament Jesus brings news of a different loving God. It was meant to replace the tribal message of the Jews with a universal one for mankind. Love God and love your neighbor.
There are many versions of Christianity. I would like to point out that the Evangelical form, which is so dominant in American politics and in the culture wars today, is just one form- and a rather new creation at that, maybe 100 years old. (And rapture theology isn’t even in the Bible. Catholics for example don’t believe in it.)
First Dalton has destroyed the Jewish Faith for decades. He has one of the best transcriptions of Mein Kampf. He is stating that Christianity is an offshoot of Judaism which it is. Christianity is an alien religion. It was constantly mutated to bring more Whites into the fold. It ADOPTED the cross from pagans. It folded single combat laws, which are as ancient as our PIE languages and from Dyaeus Pater. White religion would have Wodan, Odin, Dyaeus Pater, etc as its Allfather.
The author and his editorial we have apparently not yet heard of the Jewish historian Flavius Josephus, 37-100 A.D.
Josephus mentions Jesus, apologists acknowledge that some of the documents may have been “edited” in later years, but here is a link to a thoughtful article discussing the possible and likely changes.
https://www.jonathanmorrow.org/what-did-the-jewish-historian-josephus-really-say-about-jesus/
Christian doctrine says Jesus was both 100% God and 100% man. Obviously that is a characteristic of God that defies human reason. In human form he came through the Jewish line. That doesn’t mean he holds any special loyalty to Jews. In fact, He appears to save his most cutting comments for Jew unbelievers he encounters while on Earth.
As Martin Luther noted, only the wrath of God could make someone as evil and conniving as Jews are. We are seeing that play out today in things like their advancement of the tranny LGBTQ movement in some of the worst forms of evil and degeneracy imaginable, especially involving manipulation of children. In their roles in the media and academia today, where they are doing so much damage, their ability to lie so easily with such frequency and with no conscience is more proof of God’s wrath on them.
If you want to know what Jews think of Christians, watch the Curb Your Enthusiasm episode entitled bare midriff wherein Larry is urinating into a toilet and his urine splashes upon a portrait of Jesus hanging on the bathroom wall producing the effect of urine tears upon His cheek. Later in the episode Seinfeld and David have a good yuck about it. So classy diverse inclusive and equitable!
Flannery O’Connor the Catholic saint, had the penultimate response to self righteous atheists. Her cynical huckster Bible salesman says to her bitter miserable PHD atheist as he departs with her stolen prosthetic leg,” You think you’re so smart . I’ve been believin’ in nothin’ all my life!”
It’s a funny thing. I’ve found in my lifetime that quicksand has turned out to be not nearly as big a problem in life as I was led to believe it would be from watching old adventure and horror movies on TV.
But now as an adventurer into the fevered swamps of alternative media I’ve rediscovered that old nemesis. Quicksand abounds out here in the internet hinterlands.
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I doubt that at least one person from the commentators regularly communicates with at least household spirits, ancestral spirits, spirits of places. And these people are discussing “gods”. How loudly the fucking demiurge, the great thief, traitor and creator of the evil fucking prison – universe laughs at all this.
And it came to be that good people awakened from “Jesus the Jew” hoax and started seeking alternative spiritual teachings and methods. Then came revelations of a fake Holocaust, sold as the greatest human sacrifice in history, soon everything evil hidden about Jews over the last two plus thousand years was revealed and it was made real by the greed and evil they do in this present day and age.
These are the same despicable parasites who have altered historical records to justify their hoaxes, the same liars who sold humans as slaves, created usury, monopolized banking, industry and trade, funded and advocated for the genocide of the white human race by advocating cross race mixing, drug addiction, hate speech, pornography and GlobalHomo, and if that wasn’t enough made endless books, documentary’s and movies about a Nazi Holocaust that never existed and blaming it on white Aryans.
If Jews are anything, they are the embodiment of both Jesus and Satan, both sides of the same shekel preaching good and evil for the benefit of Zionism.
CQ – Time Traveling Messenger of Doom
Thanks for the reminder re Marcion of Sinope, son of a bishop etc, and his (ie Paul’s) Gospel. I had a copy but gave it away. You reminded me to re-order a copy as it is useful as a simple statement on Christianity, albeit surrounded by controversy.
It seems Adolf v Harnack wasn’t the only one interested in reconstructing it.
This is apparently still going on.
Marcion repudiates the OT God, thus there is no OT/NT continuity.
Whatever abt this, Christianity itself is a REBUKE to the Babylonian Talmud (“Traditions of the Elders”) and therefore of modern day “Jewish” belief/practice.
As well as being much else.
It’s likely that Orthodox Christian Russia will come out ahead of depraved corrupt talmudic USA, Mr Dalton. Sorry for your shallow/erroneous views.
Hating Jesus as an extension of hating the Jews is the single most biggest Reddit Moment(TM) on this side of politics to date.
“JESUS – or should I say YESHUA BAR YOSEPH! Was a JEW!!!”
In lieu of this information, I ask “so what?”
He did not pray to their god, he did not believe in their barbaric ways of old, the Jews themselves hate Christ and do not claim him (arguably the most damning of all, as they seem to claim almost all of the movers and shakers of the last century).
Furthermore, if I should not divine my virtues and ethics from a not only Jewish source, but a FAKE one at that, tell me then: Where do I divine my virtues and values from? Should I go be a pagan? I’m sure they’re much better.
>There is no greater proof that Jews are the most conniving, duplicitous, scheming frauds and liars who ever walked the earth than the history of Christianity and the mythical magic Jew God upon which it is based.
What about all those ‘authentically’ woke, Jew-sniffing dogs, that having been chased out of every corner of the net, have taken refuge commenting, and lamenting their downtrodden lives on an obscure, Jewish guy’s website, at his pleasure. Talk about proof.
But the first prize goes to those bamboozled political hacks, the ‘great’ strategists who imitate the recent Jewish socialist and Marxist ideas of manipulating and lording over envious peasants, more gullible still, with promises of a soft life at normal people’s expense, and try to promote them with a nationalistic, anti-Jew flavour.
Like you tried to do with Tacitus, before I pointed out to you that the Christian testimony of Tacitus is OBVIOUSLY FAKE.
And what is your evidence that Tacitus is fake? Let’s look at the account by Tacitus:
Consequently, to get rid of the report, Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judæa
He clearly has a negative view of Christians and yet you believe this was all made up by Paul?
Why would Christians add the description of it as a “most mischievous superstition”?
Jesus is also mentioned in the Antiquities of the Jews
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antiquities_of_the_Jews
He is cited in written works by Jews and Romans. To suggest that it is all a fabrication of Paul is ridiculous and outside the view of mainstream historians. There is far more evidence of Jesus than the Battle of Hastings which was partially recorded on a single cloth. Both you and the author don’t know much about history if you expect every event to be signed and notarized by dozens of people. Much of the Mongol history is speculation and hearsay. Entire Roman and Chinese battles only have the account of one person and not even a direct reference.
I agree with your point, but there’s another hitch.
Jesus fed the multitudes, preached to the multitudes, healed the multitudes, was tried before Pilate while being harassed/praised by the multitudes…
And not one physical description survives of him? Nobody has a clue to what he looked like?
Jesus was no sage, no backwoods healer according to the gospels. He was known. He had followers and he was seen out in the bush and in Jerusalem — which during his alleged lifetime contained one of the Eastern Mediterranean’s largest Roman military garrisons.
And nobody bothered to give a physical description? According to early researchers like Massey and others, the first now-lost depictions of JC have him described as:
* Youthful — no more than 18 years and as young as 15
* Blond and physically active — pretty much the standard Greek hero-god of that era
* Shown carrying a lost lamb or other animal
This was the early Jesus, totally conflicting with the later gospel character. Like Apollonius of Tyana, Jesus was at one time everywhere and totally elusive. Everyone jumped at his name but no one remembers a single detail about his person or features.
This describes a myth. Since the earliest descriptions are of a Greek man-god, and there were a lot of those, the best guess is a Greek myth-man was drafted for reasons still unknown to be The One.
Saul/Paul may have been a Roman agent. Then again, he said he was from Tarsus, a known Mithraic cult center. The Italian Admiral Flavio Barbiero adds much to this idea in his book, recently translated as The Secret Society of Moses: The Mosaic Bloodline and a Conspiracy Spanning Three Millennia.
Right or wrong, Barbiero attempts to wrestle with a great deal of evidence that rarely adds up.
I feel very sorry for the author of such an article that is almost not researched at all but who is professing knowledge on the subject.
A clarification:
a> Orthodoxy is given by Divinity and is not man made. So Old testament is Divine and so is New testament that completes, clarifies the former and historically details the happenings that changed humanity conditions through the sacrifice of the Second Person of Divine Trinity to give all of us (and not only Hebrew) again a chance to become God’s children by his Grace.
b> all other mentioned above are religions that are man made and at best hold just a small part of Truth mixed with a lot of lies.
There are plenty more sources that the author either ignores (which is better than him hiding them) and just for the sake of contrast I would like this PhD (pilled high and deep …) man to give me just one example of a contemporary commoner that is known to us through sources when for personalities like Macedonian Alexander the great there are just one and a half historic sources.
Also Christian liturgical life being at least in big cities underground (has the author heard anything about catacombs?) having really very few and not standartised written texts from which only a part was included in the New Testament canon was a must. The reason is they were treated as enemies of the state by Romans and as enemies of the fate by all other Jews so utmost caution explains why Christians were not really interested in circulation of texts far from the bare to bone essentials.
But as Gandhi said Bible is a great book but I also happen to know Christians (mainly WASPs)
This is a really serious sin for all of us Orthodox Christians and Jews alike that do not abide in God’s will. I think that he must be aware of Messianic (in US) and Jews for Jesus (in Israel).
In case of him having good faith and being interested I would gladly give him except mine any help I can muster.
How did you read this and somehow take away that Dalton is a subversive jew? That’s bizarre. Why don’t you ask him for his takes on those Old Testament Jewish patriarchs? I highly doubt they’d be favorable, or that he wouldn’t question their ever having existed in the first place.
Then there is the theory that Christianity was a construct of the Flavian emperors.
What is his PhD in?
He clearly hasn’t done his research. Most scholars agree there is enough historic evidence to show that the individual existed.
That is still a far cry from saying he was divine or had supernatural powers.
This is correct.
It isn’t controversial that Jesus existed as a historical figure.
What happened is that an anti-Christian liberal wrote a book that suggested Jesus never existed. It was dishonest fiction and aimed at a specific audience. A sort of liberal pop version of the satanic verses. It was never fact checked just like Mismeasure of Man.
I have no problem with someone that simply opposes Christianity. But it is intellectually dishonest to suggest that Jesus never existed. You’d have to throw out most Roman and Greek history if you demand as much evidence of other figures. There is a common yet incorrect assumption that the Romans and Greeks recorded every single event. In fact there are huge sections of history that we only know about because someone referenced them in a letter or a philosophical discussion. Even after the printing press there are still huge gaps.
If there was a Jesus, he was one of many preachers wandering what is now Palestine in the first century. He was also a socialist peacenik opposing the corruption of the religious establishment, so an enemy of both the Romans and the Jewish nomenklatura. Ergo, his fate was sealed.
Well Thomas Dalton, PhD,
I can’t say your wrong on all you wrote because nobody knows what is true and what is not in the Bible and church. I am not a PhD but I know God exists and Jesus exists. I don’t go to church anymore because of it’s cult-like mind programming teachings and scripted Sunday shows. Christian USA is so “Christian” yet it’s also the biggest murdering machine in all of history. Are they killing for Christ or Satan? I’d say the latter. I hate writers and speakers who boast about their PhD’s or other self promoting awards. It just bugs me.
Attention Atheists: God does not “exist.” Existence is a condition within creation, and God is not created, but the Absolute. The Absolute cannot be circumscribed. But can be “known.” And since there is a creation, there is a “Creator,” or, if you prefer, a “First Principle.” (Aristotle dixit.)
Many people in history, such as Paul of Tarsus, are completely imaginary, made up to serve some purpose. But there really was an historic (actually well attested), “Jesus.” (See G.R.S. Mead: Did Jesus exist 100 years earlier?) But in his lifetime he was not called “Jesus.” In fact, he had no name at all, only a title. The name “Jesus” (Yeshu=Savior) was cleverly invented much later to neutralize what he is called in the Talmud, that is, “May he be cursed, son of a whore.” (“May he be cursed” is Yakh Shammo. Get it? Yakh Shammo turned into Yeshu? Very, very clever.) Note that the Talmud has no doubt that Jesus existed, and they were on his case long before the Gospels were written. And even before he was executed. (Viz. “the bad skirt-chasing tsadiq of Alexandria”).
His story in Christianity is a loose, but faithful, adaptation of the original, true story, an adaptation made to fit the ordinary screen of the ordinary day to day, mind. (A mind filled with an amazing amount of nonsense as the comments here show.) What the historic (but extraordinary) original figure was, and how his story was adapted, against a flood of opposition on the part of the Jews, including Celsus, a “concerned” secular member of B’nai B’rith, is described in The Second Coming of the Judeo-Zoroastrian Jesus of the Dead Sea Scrolls, available on Amazon. The historic Jesus was, as the Talmud says, from Alexandria, and yes, his mother was unwed, father unknown. And since his father is unknown and his unwed mother has no name either (“Mary” is Aramaic “Mar” meaning “Lady”) “calling Jesus a Jew” is baseless calumny. In fact, from his known statements and transmitted doctrine, Onkel Adolf was probably right, Jesus was an Aryan. Saint Paul, for his part, claimed to be a pedigreed Pharisee Jew, but, as stated, Paul is an imaginary, early, spokesman, who, moreover—while in character— repudiated Jewish law.
That the historic Jesus became “Son of God” in his “true story” is easy to understand since hundreds of years earlier the Oracle of Siwa revealed that Alexander the Great was the son of Zeus-Ammon, and this was for a long time official state dogma, on the part of the Seleucids and Ptolemies. This precedent even became the model for the deification of Roman emperors (a state dogma from which Jews were excused but to which Christians were subject, and briefly punished for their refusal). Ironically, the human remains of Alexander the Great, had to be disguised as Mark the Evangelist in order to protect them from the predatory Christians of the fourth century, and that is how he ended up being preserved in Venice.
The historic Jesus was ignominiously executed by the Jews, but he knowingly allowed that to happen, indeed, provoked it. And so was a martyr. The Romans had nothing to do with the execution, but it so happened they were enlisted to meticulously and painstakingly demolish the Temple, after having bent over backwards for a hundred years to cater to the Jew’s every whim. This means Someone Up There became very angry with the Jews—not for the first, and not for the last time— and not just because the Jews set fire to Rome in 64 AD, although that helped. (Is there an ominous sign in 9/11?) There was an earlier version of the Jesus story, namely, that of John the Baptist, but this was not as successful as the remake that won the Academy Awards (although it was incorporated into it).
> Emperor Constantine (who was also a Serb)
How any moron here can see your comment and not laugh at your idiocy surprises me.
Get behind me SATAN!
Rather than an anti-Roman hoax, Christianity may well have been created by the Romans, as a means of taming the turbulent Jews.
“Better Call Saul: Christian Romanism as the First Psy-Op”; reviewing James S. Valliant & Warren Fahy, Creating Christ: How Roman Emperors Invented Christianity (Crossroad Press, 2018)
https://counter-currents.com/2022/08/better-call-saul-christian-romanism-as-the-first-psy-op-part-1/
The most mind-blowing aspect of Valliant’s case is that, contrary to decades of Nietzsche-inspired tropes (most recently, Bronze Age Pervert), the Romans were not mindless thugs, “blond beasts” subverted by Christian compassion (how’d that happen?); but rather, the Roman Emperors promoted the idea of their being compassionate and just (even Paul demands to be sent to Rome for judgement!), starting with Julius, whose cult of clemency may well have been the model used by Titus to create Christianity.
I find this more plausible than the “Jews created Christianity to destroy the Gentiles” view, most recently defended by David Skrbina; see our exchange here: https://duckduckgo.com/?sites=counter-currents.com&q=skrbina&ia=web
As Schopenhauer, who praised Christianity for teaching Europeans to look higher and practice compassion, as endorsed by Dissident Right idol Wagner, (see the works of Alexander Jacob) says somewhere, “One day Europe will free itself from Jewish mythology.”
The author and his editorial we have apparently not yet heard of the Jewish historian Flavius Josephus, 37-100 A.D.
Josephus mentions Jesus, apologists acknowledge that some of the documents may have been “edited” in later years
The strongest evidence is by Tacitus because Annals isn’t about Christianity and he only makes a short but negative comment about Christ and his followers.
If you were going to conspire to edit Roman history to promote a religion then I don’t see adding a short and negative footnote. Makes more sense to reference miracles or events described by the apostles.
Tacitus was not fond of Christians and had far more to say about German pagans (both good and bad). He also made a lot of negative comments about the Jews.
The theory of Tacitus being a re-edit for Christ makes zero sense. The likely answer is that Christ really did exist and he had followers before Paul. He was most likely crucified by Pontius Pilate (who exists on coins). The Romans would line up a hundred crosses of thieves and petty criminals. Executing Jesus Christ is not difficult to believe, nor is the story of giving the Jews a choice so Pontius could remove himself from any guilt. Rising from the dead of course is a supernatural belief and completely separate.
The impossibilities found on/provided by the Shroud of Turin are strong evidence of Jesus Chrest.
The sabotaging, false, early C-14 dating indicates fear from somewhere.
Holy Shroud of Turin’s Authenticity Can No Longer Be Disputed, Expert Asserts
https://www.ncregister.com/interview/holy-shroud-of-turin-s-authenticity-can-no-longer-be-disputed-expert-asserts
PATTERNS OF EVIDENCE FOR JESUS’ SHROUD OF TURIN
https://www.patternsofevidence.com/2022/04/15/evidence-for-jesus-shroud-of-turin/
Scientific Evidence For The Shroud Of Turin
https://evidence-for-the-bible.com/scientific-evidence-for-the-bible/scientific-evidence-for-the-shroud-of-turin/
This 3D “carbon copy” of Jesus was created using the Shroud of Turin
https://aleteia.org/2018/03/28/this-3d-carbon-copy-of-jesus-was-created-using-the-shroud-of-turin/
SHROUD OF TURIN & 3D STATUES OF JESUS
http://www.divinemercyimage.ca/shroud_of_turin.htm
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Jesus is the opposite of Jew. Came to save mankind from Satan/spawn.
The war continues.
For the best book on the hypocrisy of religion, read or even better listen to ELMER GANTRY by Sinclair Lewis.
Published in 1927 it is not one bit dated and brilliantly funny.
See Robert Price’s attempt at reconstructing the Marcion canon, in his Pre-Nicene New Testament.
Price has recently joined the cancelled, for his “fascist” views; see my interview here:
https://counter-currents.com/2022/04/ten-questions-for-dr-robert-m-price/
First, if Jesus did not exist, he would not have 2.4 billion people following him and believing in him for the last 2000 years, and no matter how anyone tries to defame him, I have no doubt that he was a noble man.
Secondly, had Dr. Dalton read what Islamic religion or literature said about Jesus, I think he would have reached a less biased conclusion.
I personally look at religions as different versions of Operating Systems (as in computer operating systems (e.g. DOS, Win 95 … Win 11; Apple OS, different flavors of Unix/Linux, etc) or even applications such Word, Excel, etc) that come in succession.
These Operating Systems and/or applications are continuously upgraded/updated to meet advances in technology or to fix bugs.
So as the latest OS upgrade is always the greatest, so must be the latest religion-version.
What if there was no indoctrination at a young age, yet the subject found in his heart a connection with a Supreme being, who manifests His clear presence in the life of his subjects. This happens across all faiths.
I am so sorry for you, drifting along thinking you came from nothing and will end up nowhere.
“ Faith and Doubt are two sides of the same coin. You can’t have one without the other. So, many Christians are skeptical believers.”
Good and evil are also two sides of the same coin, can’t have one without the other. So many Christian’s are good and many are evil.
This warped belief system has giving us today’s GlobalHomo, Niggerism, and Holocaust Survivor Hysteria and all the endless wars, hate and chaos within it.
In extant papyrus fragments of the Septuagint, Hebrew YHWH can indeed be found inserted into the Greek text in either Assyrian script (e.g. see Papyrus Faoud 266 at Wikipedia) or paleo-Hebrew script.
According to the LXX itself, “naming the name” of God was a capital offense (Lev. 24:10-16, and note the difference between the LXX and Masoretic Text). This could be the reason the tetragram was not simply transcribed into Greek. After all, many uniquely Hebrew names and words were already being transcribed into Greek, e.g. Ionathan, allelouia, amen. Because the Hebrew YHWH would have been impossible to read by Graecophones, inserting the tetragram (or even using Kurios) would have prevented anyone from accidentally pronouncing the name out loud.
Note that both Greek and paleo-Hebrew scripts were based on Phoenician. Consequently, Greek was also initially written right-to-left or at least “like the ox turns” (boustrophedon). The Koine Greek dialect had lost the /h/ and /w/ phonemes. So when the Septuagint was being produced, the Greek letters H and W could not be used to make a straight-up transliteration of YHWH (into IHWH), even if the translators wanted to do so. The loss of /h/ is not uncommon in languages and is called psilosis. In Koine Greek, the letter H heta morphed into the vowel eta. The letter W (wau) persisted in use only as the number 6 in the Greek numbering system (because originally it took sixth position in the alphabet): but the wau name gave way to the more popular digamma.
The psilosis of Koine Greek explains why the theophoric Hebrew names that begin YHW- were elided in Greek transcriptions. Rather than Yehonathan, the Greek gives Yonathan. Rather than Yehochanan, Yoanan. Rather than Yehoyakim, Yoachim. But the name Yehoshua is an exception: as you have already said, this name in the LXX is everywhere Iesous. This name is the Greek localization of the Aramaic Yeshu, itself a localization of the Hebrew Yeshua. Yeshua is an elision of Yehoshua (from YHWSW’ to YSW’). In Greek, male nouns in the nominative case are declined with a sigma. Thus, the LXX translators transcribed Yeshu into Iesou and then appended the letter S to the end of Iesou to conform to Greek grammar rules.
It seems possible that psilosis occurred in Jerusalem Hebrew as well. There are over a dozen YW- counterparts to YHW- theophoric names in the Hebrew Bible. Some YHW-/YH- name pairs include Yehonathan/Yonathan, Yehoseph/Yoseph, Yehowtsadaq/Yowtsadaq, and Yehoshaphat/Yoshaphat. So perhaps other exclusively YW- theophoric names like Yoel and Yokebed were later versions of earlier Yehoel and Yehokebed, respectively.
From the transcriptions of the above theophoric names we can conclude that YHWH would have been transcribed into Greek as ΙΩΑ (Ioa), or perhaps ΙΕΩΑ (Ieoa). In non-psilotic Greek dialects, the transcription would have been a more familiar-looking Ihoah or Iehoah. We already know that the hypocoristic divine name YH was transcribed ΙΑ, as evidenced by the transcription allelou-ia (from Hebrew HLLW-YH).
Joshua is a name that sounds Hebrew but technically is not. It was a name first introduced by Jerome in the Latin Vulgate as Iosue. He correctly used Iesus in New Testament books, but goes with his fabricated Iosue (and sometimes Heisue) in Old Testament books. In the Septuagint, these same names are everywhere Iesous. Even in the NT books, both “Joshua” and Jesus are referred to as Iesous, at least in later Greek copies, after the initial use of nomina sacra (where Iesous was contracted to either IHS or IS). Thus, in the King James Bible, “Joshua” son of Nun is correctly referred to as Jesus in Acts 7:45 and Hebrews 4:8. Readers critical of the KJV point to this “error” out of ignorance of the Greek that was being translated.
I have never seen so many ignorant opinions on one page.
“ Mary is not a Jewish name. I know of no Jew who has every taken that name to this day.”
I can name dozens of Jews who have changed their name to deceive their followers.
Lol, that’s what Jesus said to Peter, the “rock” on which he built his church.
Are you comparing me to St. Peter?
It’s disturbing to know that an appendage to a collection of absurd fairy tales would be taken seriously by so many – but it is.
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The coming of the Savior who will bring Heaven on Earth has been a recurring motif that’s repeated all over the world and in almost every major religion. You will find it even in pagan religions such as Hinduism. Jainism(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Tirthankaras) and Buddhism. They all claim multiple prophets came since time immemorial to preach their doctrine and save mankind. So do the Jews and the Christians; all are awaiting the second coming. The Shia Muslim too are biding time until the appearance of their 12th Imam. The other Muslims await doomsday when the dead will rise and give witness.
My advice is take a walk in nature and just look.
How do you not? He is making the exact same argument Khazarian “rabbis” have been making for over a thousand years. How best to divide White people than to try to poison the well of religious Whites? I’d say that 75% of Whites will never side with a movement that condemns Christ. Every weak-minded individual that reads this and buys into its Khazarian thesis, alienates, and becomes alienated, from his own people and his ancestors. Divide and conquer. Don’t fall for it. Christianity has been a boon for the Caucasian peoples.
VIVAT CHRISTUS REX!
All this scholarship, but what seems to be missing? What is actually in the Talmud? Why isn’t anyone posting any of that in any comments? What’s the big secret? Me thinks somehow it would be endless digression about translation. Chosen? By whom? For what purpose?. Goy translates to cattle, and the saved are lambs. Maybe no one gets an answer because we really are insignificant
It is astounding that a trivial corpus of long since established knowledge on the beginnings of Christianity is presented as some revolutionary news.
Do you people read anything about religions?
for what it’s worth, (and i have an idea how much ; )
while I was raised a Christian, and most of my loved ones are Christians, (to one degree of piety or another), I’m not too sure if modern Christianity has the wherewithal to save Christians from what ails them today.
Just look at the Pope, or the evangelicals, to see what I mean.
It seems to me far too many Christians are far more worried about how many inner city or poor rural young women are having abortions, (because they wanted to have sex! without consequences!), than they are about the wholesale slaughter of innocents perpetrated by their governments based on obvious lies.
Just looking at how Christians and others are murdered and terrorized and persecuted endlessly in the holy land, even in Jerusalem and Bethlehem and so forth, and have been now for generations, to the sound of crickets chirping from the Christian churches, or even worse, calls to support Israel’s efforts to “defend itself’, and I suspect the Christ would have dry heaves, if He could see what’s being said and done in His name.
So my question for modern Christianity, is:
Does it hold any hope for saving Christendom, and its people, from the depraved desolation that is being wrought upon it and its people, by its eternal Satanic enemies?
And sadly, I have to answer, no.
I suspect the problem is that Christianity is too hierarchical, and like a government, its leadership is small and defined and is too susceptible to corruption. Once the top is rotten, it spreads down with an inevitability, until the members of the congregation, walk into the voting booth, and pull the lever for Lindsey Graham, (or Mike Pence, or Ted Cruz, or Tom Cotton, or George W Bush [twice] or what have you).
Everything that I would consider Christ-like, (compassion, love, truth, forgiveness, peace, mercy, righteousness, honor…), all seem to go out the window, when ZOG marches in, and hands out shekels.
If so, what good is a religion, if it is going to be the agent and method of those who practice it; genocide?
If Tacitus attested to Christ in 116 AD, why did none of the church fathers cite him? They were devoted to defending the historicity of Christ, but they ignored the history books? They had Josephus on their desks too. Why did none of them cite the Flavian Testimony? The Flavian Testimony didn’t appear until the 4th century. And the Tacitan Testimony didn’t appear until the 15th century. Who was the first person to cite the Christian testimony of Tacitus?
Additionally it is unclear exactly how much of Tacitus was altered or interpolated. Even IF the testimony was genuine, it still doesn’t attest to the life of Christ. Tacitus was born after Christ died. If Tacitus knew Jesus “suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus”, how did he know it? He didn’t know it from Paul, who didn’t mention it. And the Gospels don’t enter the historical record until the year 130, more than a decade after the Annals were published. So who was Tacitus’ source on Pilate?
Here’s some facts:
-Nero’s minister, Seneca, whose Stoic philosophy is very Christlike, never mentioned Christ or Christians
-“The Neronian persecution of Christians is unrecorded by any other historian of the day and supposedly took place at the very time when Paul was purportedly freely preaching at Rome (Acts 28:30-31)” (Acharya S, Suns of God)
-Eusebius, who “discovered” The Flavian Testimony in the 4th century, also built upon the idea of Nero persecuting the Christians. Yet despite this, he does NOT cite Tacitus (or any other source)
-No mention of this passage in Tacitus is made before the 15th century. In fact the Annals themselves were “discovered” at this time, inside a copy of Tacitus’ legitimate Histories. Some people consider the entire Annals to be a fraud. In fact, the real Tacitus notes that there was no disturbance in Palestine during the reign of Tiberius.
The best you can do is cry that much of history is not better attested to than Christ. I don’t necessarily agree with you, but if I did, it would not suggest that Christ must be real. It would only suggest that much of history is a fraud.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Ordinary claims require ordinary evidence. You offer neither. The best you can do is appeal to authority.
Jesus doesn’t offer a heaven on Earth, he offers a kingdom in Heaven. You have to die to get there.
“Pro-Jewish, because the Christians are to worship the Jewish God, the Jewish rabbi Jesus, and the Jewish ‘virgin’ Mary”
This is false. Judaism is about the “Jewish God,” the God of Israel. Christianity universalized God as the God of all mankind. Christ was of Jewish heritage but he was not “a Jew” be belief, obviously. His departure from Judaism was the key debate settled in favor of Judaism and Christianity being separate religions.
You can’t effectively use the Jewish view of Christianity to debunk the Christian view of Christianity. They’re vastly different ideas.
“Pro-Jewish, because the Christians are to worship the Jewish God, the Jewish rabbi Jesus, and the Jewish ‘virgin’ Mary”
This is false. Judaism is about the “Jewish God,” the God of Israel. Christianity universalized God as the God of all mankind. Christ was of Jewish heritage but he was not “a Jew” by belief, obviously. His departure from Judaism was the key debate settled in favor of Judaism and Christianity being separate religions.
You can’t effectively use the Jewish view of Christianity to debunk the Christian view of Christianity. They’re vastly different ideas.
“Pro-Jewish, because the Christians are to worship the Jewish God, the Jewish rabbi Jesus, and the Jewish ‘virgin’ Mary”
This is false. Judaism is about the “Jewish God,” the God of Israel. Christianity universalized God as the God of all mankind. Christ was of Jewish heritage but he was not “a Jew” by belief, obviously. His departure from Judaism was the key debate settled in favor of Judaism and Christianity being separate religions.
You can’t effectively use the Jewish view of Christianity to debunk the Christian view of Christianity. They’re vastly different ideas.
We all created our own body. All material/physical bodies and objects are created out of thought. Thought-forms means that thoughts (if held long enough & deeply enough) take shape and if you keep giving it ‘thought’, or attention, it persists. This is basic metaphysics, not any religious creed.
Judaism is neither race nor religion. It is a mafia. The Talmud is the Jewish Mafia codex.
If anyone is seeing deity visions (manifestations), they are seriously deluded and should be committed for a mental health evaluation for the general safety of everyone else.
Thomas Dalton is an excellent scholar and his book on the holocaust is one of the best, but his talents do not serve him well here. ““But what would we do without Jesus?” cry the believers. How about this: Build your life and your worldview around basic, universal, and age-old ethical ideals; defend and protect the Earth, which sustains all life; defend human dignity against corrupters,” One wonders where to find these “universal and age old ethical ideals” if not in Christianity. Surely the idea of “human dignity” comes from nowhere else but Christianity. The serfs, the slaves, the many were nowhere else thought to have any sort of dignity and it was considered normal to treat them like dirt. In the Euthephro Socrates tries to persuade Euthephro not to accuse his father of a murder that he clearly committed by throwing a slave into a ditch. In the Iliad Odysseus beats Thersites, an ordinary soldier, for daring to speak.
I do not argue with Dalton’s contention that Jesus was a Jew, but he was a Jew in a highly Hellenized society, filled with philosophical ferment in a world where the Greek Gods had already been losing their force for centuries. Even in the time of Homer this was already well on the way. Philosophers had long been trying to replace the Greek Gods with reason. So Dalton thinks, reasonably, that the question of Jesus is that of the existence of an ordinary human being born of an ordinary mother and that the idea of a divine father is absurd. But this is all written in a language almost indecipherable by a modern reasonable man.
Take the birth in a manger, for example. Did it really happen? It is unimportant. Poetically, the manger expresses that Jesus is a completely lowly ordinary person. He is a God with humble beginnings, that is what matters. The Greek Gods were not people like ordinary humans are people, but manifested themselves in human form. Athena appears to Telemachus as Mentor. They supply humans with special powers such as ‘menis” usually translated as wrath, a super-human power that makes Achilles invincible in battle. To have it is to be favored by the Gods. Athena aids Odysseus with stratagems which just come to him. He, and only he sees her. Jesus embodies a God the way Mentor embodied Athena, and his ordinariness indicates that he could be anybody. To the question, “Did Jesus exist?” the answer is, of course, he could be anyone.
Gods fill ordinary people with special powers, and Jesus power was the word, “logos.” Logos, does not indicate a single word, of course. But an order of words. The book of John begins, “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” The world is made of words, God created the world with words, not in some workshop. Language is the human superpower. We live within a language, and the language lives through us. This makes sense of the holy trinity. Jesus is the union of God and Mary, the spirit and the flesh, the word made flesh, a living human being who speaks; the father, the cosmos in the Greek sense, that is, order, is the language properly understood, and the holy spirit the language as a whole as it is used throughout the community, “ the spirit that moves on the face of the waters.”
The idea of Jesus as some superman capable of doing miracles that violate the laws of nature is, as Dalton claims, absurd. I would say that such stories only detract from his godhead. It is no big deal to be crucified if you are going to just bounce back. It is a mere stunt for such a being to be born in a manger. That Jesus, in Christianity, has become such a superman completely destroys Christianity by negating his ordinariness. The Christianity of churches, absurd doctrines, and contending sects is, as Dalton argues, paltry, the product of reason when it is in good faith, and vice when it is not. But read Kierkegaard, Simone Weil, and Milton to get a better idea of why Christianity is so powerful.
Jesus, is a God like the Greek Gods, a spirit that a person can embody. Aside from the miracles, what he does anyone can do, for it is speech. Thus Jesus is a God of the everyday human. As a personality Jesus is unique, and it is hard to imagine the disciples having imagined him. But his uniqueness is in his speech and is available to anyone. It does not come from super powers. He, like Dionysus, is a God of the people. Whereas other Gods shun death, he embraces it, and like the people, returns in new bodies, and might be anyone. That Jesus might be anyone is what raises the human and makes all people valuable.
It’s what the Talmud says about Jesus
Where is the evidence that the Hebrew language (not just “paleo Hebrew”) existed before the LXX?
If the Septuagint was authoritatively translated from the Hebrew text, why was the authoritative Hebrew text unknown for an additional millennium?!
Didn’t the Greek Jews use IAO as the name of God (phonetically identical to YHWH)? The Gnostics, who opposed the Jews, called the demon Lord of Earth “Ialdabaoth”. Why not call “YHWH Elohim” “IAO Theos” in the Septuagint?
Because they’re not allowed to pronounce the name of God…right…and they also deny it has a meaning.
Why does the Bible only refer to “the language of the Jews” and not “the Hebrew language”?
Why is Hebrew so similar to Aramaic, and yet missing from the archaeological and historical record?
you’ll cherish each day and strive for happiness and harmony once you realize the truth IMO. Take the mythical gods out of the equation, and the algorithm for life’s constructs will change drastically. Enjoy life, for life as we know it is a very very very very rare event in this universe.
What is your point? We all know who jews are why call the Khazars. There is no reason to do it and it just confuses the issue and is good for the jew mob. I am pretty sure only autistic people fall for this ruse.
I was merely attempting to refute the author’s contention that there was no contemporary acknowlegement of Jesus.
Apparently you didn’t peruse the article at the link.
https://www.jonathanmorrow.org/what-did-the-jewish-historian-josephus-really-say-about-jesus/
Kind regards
You are wrong. I know Thomas Dalton and he’s neither a Jew or a fag. He’s married with children.
Yes, who in their right mind would be killed for a hoax?
And what motivated Paul to make those three difficult trips around the Mediterranean? At great cost of comfort and almost life itself? Either the blinding on the road to Damascus was real, or else he was a mad man.
What a dreadful article. Dr. Dalton has shot down quite a few pegs in my estimation. He hasn’t established any of the points of argument that he thinks he has, on his way to insulting quite a few people and nations, and sending billions of eyeballs rolling.
Do we really know who/what is our creator? Panspermia comes to mind, that vital sperm dust wondering around the universe(s) spread by supernovae and impregnating stars, planets and moons throughout space/time. And what egotistical parasite would declare himself God or Son of God and cast all non believers into imaginary hellfire?
I don’t know about y’all, but all this worshiping of old ancient long haired pagan hippies from the Middle East/India/Greece have got to be the biggest frauds ever perpetrated on humanity since time immemorial.
I’m more inclined to believe in a celestial entity older than the cosmos and wiser than any mortal human that ever existed.
That said, I have no problem with those who worship a deity, just don’t force your faith on me and we’ll get along just fine.
CQ – Time Traveling Messenger of Doom
Jesus came from Galilee, where the Gentiles (Amalek) lived.
His disciples also came from there, except for Judas.
Judas was a Jew and he made all honor to his origin.
Judas betrayed Jesus for 30 pieces of silver.
Galilee was a settlement area of Aryan peoples and tribes (Assyrians, Phoenicians, Greeks) since ancient times. Later Roman legionaries lived there, also from Germania.
In any case, since their invasion of Palestine, the Jews have referred to Galilee as the territory of the Gentiles. The word Galilee is derived from the Hebrew term g’lil ha-goyím, meaning “territory of the Gentiles.”
The highest rabies teach that Jesus was a “bastard,” the son of a Gentile whore and a Roman soldier.
Jew: “The Gentile whore with her little Nazi bastard”
Rabbi Sonnenfeld:
“I learned from my teacher Rabbi Leib Fiskin about the tradition attributed to Rabbi Elijah, the Goan of Vilna, that the German nation descended from Amalek…and how should I bless with the holy name a monarch who rules a people whose memory we have been commanded to eradicate?”
Greek Jews coined the term “Nazi” to refer to persons from the “holy place of origin” (Nazareth) as well as to “holy persons chosen by God” and found their way into the Bible.
“The designation ‘Jesus of Nazareth’ might thus be understood as ‘Jesus of the Nazareths’ [called ‘Nazirite’ in the English Bible, in German: Nazi worshipper, i.e. Nazi] …. The term ‘Nazirite’ meant ‘a holy or distinguished person, chosen of God’ [Bible, Amos 2:11,12]. … Thus, according to the Gospels, Jesus was ‘a saint’ or one ‘set apart by God’ in connection with Nazareth, the ‘place of origin of the holy or exalted one’. … The term Nazirite [English Bible, or ‘Nazirite’, German Bible of 1871] comes from the root Nzr or Nsr and is highly significant. Nsr may be an ancient Egyptian verb meaning ‘to burn’ or ‘to blaze’. The word Nsrsr is therefore to be translated as ‘island of fire’. (Alan F. Alford, When The Gods Came Down, Hodder and Stoughton, London 2000, p. 398 – Appendix C: Jesus of Nazareth).
Thus, the term Nazi can also be spelled Nasi.
Nazis or Nasis or Nazirites are therefore according to the Bible “holy persons, chosen by God”, named after the holy place “Nazareth” (“En-Nasira”). Nazareth or En-Nasira was according to NT the place of residence of Jesus Christ and his parents – the “holy island of fire”.
The German clergy has falsified the German edition of the Bible in order not to have to use the word “Nazi” in connection with persons sanctified by God – like Jesus.
The English Bible says, “I raised up prophets among your sons and Nazirites [German Nazis] among your young men. Is it not so, you Israelites? But you gave the Nazis wine to drink, and to the prophets you commanded, ‘Do not prophesy.’” (Amos 2:11,12)
The modern German Bible version reads, “I raised up prophets among your sons, consecrated ones among your young men. Is it not so, you Israelites? But you gave the consecrated ones wine to drink, and to the prophets you commanded, ‘Do not prophesy’!”
The German clergy did not even dare to use the term “Nazirites” formerly used in old German Bibles, but replaced the word with “the consecrated ones.”
Jesus’ parents “feared the Jews.” (John 9.22)
Je suis from Aryan Nazareth to the Yids:
„Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.“
Some of the countless insults to the Nazi by the Jews:
Yeshua is the correct Hebrew name, meaning “Savior and Beatificator.” However, in Jewish writings he is given the following names:
Yeshu, because he could not free himself from the hands and violence of his enemies.
Jíshu, which are the first three letters of the three words jímmach schemó vesichronó, that is: “His name and memory be destroyed”.
Elohé haarélim, that is: “the uncircumcised God”.
Elohé Edom, that is: “the God of Edom” or the “Edomite God”. Through Edom, Christianity is understood.
Elohé néchar, that is: “a foreign god”.
Taüth, that is: “an idol”. This word comes from taáh, which in the Hebrew language means “to err” and besides that in the Chaldean language means “to commit fornication” and “to forget”.
Jiráh, which word actually means a fear, but inauthentically means an idol.
Avodá sará, which actually means a foreign service, so that a false god is served, and inauthentically also an idol.
Mólech, which was the name of the Ammonite idol.
Báal, Bel and Báal Peor, which are idolatrous names.
Héfel varík, that is: “a vanity and nothingness”, and happens twice a day in their synagogues in a prayer that begins Alénu leschabbéach.
Talúi and hattalúi, that is: “the hanged man”, because he was nailed to the cross and hanged on it.
Hammekúllal, that is: “the accursed one”.
Schóth or náfal, that is: “a fool”.
Min veepicúrus, that is: a heretic and epicurer.
Jeschu haraschá, that is: “the godless Jesus”.
Adám beliáal and haísch habbeliáal, that is: “a worthless and dissolute person” or “villain”.
Esav, which is “Esau.”
Mámser, which is: “whore child,” or Mámser ben hannidda, which is: “a whore child, and son of an unclean woman, who was conceived by his mother in the time of her female uncleanness.”
Ben Stada or Ben Pandira, which is: “the son of Stada” or “the son of Pandira.”
Ul hassímma, which is: “a child of vice” or “of shame” who has been conceived through a vice committed, namely adultery.
Nézer Náafuf, that is: “a branch of adultery” or “adulterous branch”.
Nézer Nitaf, that is: “an abominable” or “detestable branch”.
Tíuf shíkkuz jelúd hassimma, that is: “an abominable and detestable son of vice”.
Elóhe toëfóth, that is: “a god of abominations” or “an abominable and detestable god”.
Ben Chárja, that is: “a son of excrement”.
Chélah, that is: “a foam” or “uncleanness”.
Tamé uméth, that is: “an unclean and dead”.
Hakkélef hamméth, that is: “the dead dog”.
Othó haïsch or Haïsch hahú or Hahó gáfra, that is: “the same” or “that man” or also Plóni, which means with the Hebrews as much as N.N., and happens this, if they do not announce its name, and want to write something concealed from the same, so that the Christians should not know, whom they mean thereby.
German Döllinger was the first to succeed in proving that Jesus was not a Jew, but an Aryan, that Christianity comes from an Aryan source, that the pre-Jewish and alleged Jewish culture of Palestine was an Aryan one, and therefore the idea instilled in good faithers (naives, naturals) over centuries of the chosen holy people of the Jews, of its world mission and its high cultural value, proves to be a gross falsification and an evil, calculated deception.
“Nazi” was and is the Jews’ spiteful pejorative for Aryan people from the “island” Nazareth.
“Slav(e)” is an invention of the Jew, just like their “Khazar” blender.
Matthaeus 3:7
But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
White man is naive, too honest (= simple; re. “simple truth”) to understand the depth of the cunningness of the Jew. It is as deep as hell. Ye are of thy father the devil…
The semites, the splitters, must be happy the way they are cutting Russia out of Europe; let’s say Europe out of Russia.
The dividers only problem is life after death.
Why do we have thoughts?
What creates stars and rocks?
What creates time?
Can there be thought without time?
The “truth,” whatever that is, is overrated.
Christians are on average kinder than non-Christians.
Thus, hurray for Christians.
You’re the one who’s a danger to yourself and others. Even scientists admit that 99% of the universe does not meet the eye. So what do you claim to know about the laws of reality? You worship the scant 1% sliver of creation that we can objectively sense, like a dog with its nose in a shitpile.
You know, 30 pieces aren’t silver anymore.
At Lou’s Loans ya might get 5 bucks.
Maybe want to bring your vintage Hustler’s, just in case.
Rather than worshipping Odin, you should worship me.
I am, after all, a descendant of Wotan or Odin. He, the father of the Nordic People, was about twenty generations down from Japheth, son of Noah. And I’m about seventy generations down from Odin.
Bonus: Unlike Odin, I’m alive, and for 19.95 a month, I might be bothered to do something for you, or not. I’m a fickle god.
Or you could worship the Creator of the Universe. The Monomyth of which all other heroes are but shadows. The God Man who yes, was born of a virgin.
And the dim writer has a problem with Jesus of Bethleham and Nazareth. My stars, how did he get that dim? Jesus was born in Bethleham, went to Egypt (mentioned in prophecy), and came back and went to Nazareth. If you lived in two different cities, and said ‘I’m from NYC and Santa Fe’ you’d not be lying, now would you? Dim, dim, dum, dumb, de dumb. This guy Dalton is not even trying.
Which come to think of it is probably a clue. He’s trolling Christians to try to get a response.
This is reasonable as I think most Christians don’t bother with atheists very much anymore. We assume most people know better than that nonsense. I don’t bother arguing with transgenderites either. If you think chopping off your wienie is going to make you happy, you got more problems than I know how to fix.
Atheists need Christians to pay attention to them is my theory. I, on the other hand, don’t need to pay attention to anyone but the King of Kings, the Lord of Lords, the Great I AM who unlike your petty ancestor worship, my God, the Real One, spun the galaxies. Don’t worship an ancestor because its useful. Jupiter or Japheth, son of Noah, does not want your worship. Worship the Truth.
Hi Nick. You are correct about Judean. I think we should go back to identifying people more with their geographical location/origins, and less with philosophical or political labels. DNA helps with that immensely. I love DNA. The philosophical/political has resulted in the Libertarian philosophy, it seems to me. Did that have it’s beginnings with the French Enlightenment, or before that? It’s all part of the Globalist outlook; against the Nationalist outlook. I think it’s not good.
Strangest thing about Anti-Christians; the ones who bray loudest about Christianity being fake, Jesus not existing and/or walking on water, always:
1. Believe that their Great-Great Grandmother was a monkey.
2. Believe that enough dinosaurs died and turned into a be goppy goo in Saudi Arabia, to power practically every car, truck motorcycle and airplane for 120 years.
3. Believe that when they go to the equator, they are standing at a 180 degree angle.
4. Believe that they live on a spinning volleyball hurdling willy-nilly through something called “outer space.
How about checking Bart Ehrmann, who is a real expert. ?
Btw Bart Ehrmann is an atheist.
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As CS Lewis said, Christ is the Monomyth. Yes, other heroes have elements of His greatness. Wise teachers might say wise things which He also says.
If I say ‘a line is the shortest distance between two points’ does that make Euclid non-existent? What if I said it before Euclid said it? Is it not true whoever said it first? Would not the God Jesus, who is Truth, speak Truth? Is Euclid still the Father of Geometry even if I defined a line first?
Certainly someone before Moses came with the God inscribed tablets that said in effect ‘don’t steal’ had said ‘don’t steal’? Does that mean that Moses did not do what Moses did, and that God did not do what God did?
The fact that the Zoroastrians, who might have been influenced by the Prophet Daniel of the Old Testament, figured some of the Truth out is to their credit. But it does not make them or Osiris or Buddha the Way, the Truth, the Life, the King of Kings and Lord of Lords, and the only Door to Heaven.
I grew up in the christian nonsense and suffer to this day from ny actual belief in the dam nonsense that is christianity. It came largely from the fervent split between the obvious, practical, natural and obvious truth of life which I could not toss, and the bloody crap I was forced to believe, in a social environment that punished me for my contrarianism
This is a perfectly valid and useful comment by superfluous man and a wonderful, beautifully and simple and unpretentiously rendered contribution by Thomas Dalton. By now the Jewish people probably believe they can do anything they desire to humanity and get away with it having fed us the christian garbage for so long.
The chinese are not christian, nor are the muslims. Is that why the current Jews are so virulently opposed to them, bent on existential war on them? I mean a list of the utterly outrageous contemporary impositions on christians current Khazaria openly carry out on humanity as a whole in fact and get away with it all is amazing.
Henry Kissinger sits easily, safely, secure at 100 and still has access to the media is astonishing…a man who should have been tried for genocide several times over and executed. Even now the law wherever he is should be breaking down his door to arrest the old criminal for his vast crimes against humanity.
And what about Covid…the vast basket of assassinations of strong leaders, and color revolutions the world over to put into power anti progressive governments, all of which have made decisive anti progressive differences in their time and up to this day, making for a vastly better world than we have currently…
I could go on and and on with examples of the crimes and corruption by Khazarians/Jews like 9-11, the assassination of JFK now all proven, up to the horrific political economy of this day in the west for example, that witnesses the anti nationalist behaviour of governments like Germany, the USA, Canada etc., that can be explained or made sense of only by the admission to the fact of the control of western nations, in capitalist decline, by the Jewish global interest, exemplified by and in such figures as George Soros, Bill Gates, Charles Schwab etc for example .
This nonsense goes all the way back to the creation of christianity. Dalton is simply and brilliantly right… we must bring our western culture(s) into human scale, logical assessment and correction of of the religious lies and outright nonsense we have we have believed and lived for far too long now
Literacy was limited but most people could write more or less obscene graffitis. Being literate by then didn’t mean knowing how to read and write but how to read scriptures of some sort and comment them. Being literate meant accessing some sacred or classical language somewhat above his native usage. The mere fact of assembling letters didn’t count as it was generally mastered doing graffitis.
“Christmas and Easter Christians”
Most of the Jews aren’t any different … Professor Bernard Lewis called himself twice-a-year Jew, i.e. his family went to synagogue only on Passover and Yom Kippur.
Not quite. Good is perfectly all right to exist on its own. Evil is a negation of good, so it is derivative.
“The World Christian Encyclopedia infamously notes that, globally, there are some 33,000 “distinct denominations” of the Church … ”
Is that anything like the 33,000,000 gods and goddesses in the Hindu pantheon while claiming to believe only in one Creator?
Here’s my two cents. There could be gods (i.e. superbeings) but there can’t be any single supreme god responsible for everything. As many others have said, such a being would be more complex than his (or her, or its) creation and there for breaks the rules for valid explanations. Valid explanations simplify; they do not add complexity.
I approve of the quest to try to explain everything, although it will never be completed, because the true nature of reality is inaccessible to reason, and that being so, are conventional thoughts are always wrong, or at least wrong to the extent they are not consistent with what’s real. We think we can talk about this or that, but reality is a seamless whole that cannot be broken in to parts. The passage of time is our most immediate form of evidence that this is true, since we cannot isolate a moment. If we could we would be stuck and that moment and time wouldn’t flow.
“Thou shalt have no other gods before me..!”
That’s where I stopped reading.
Oh, and anything gone wrong?
Blame Satan!
Kissinger can get away with everything because he succeeded in selling you Trump, who was there only to sign the decrees written down by him between two golf games while he waited for him in the Oval office.
Kevin Barrett: “So even if Jesus did everything the Gospels say he did, since there was no Fulbright scholar there taking notes, the real miracle is that any of it is still remembered today.”
What you say may be true about “ordinary” miracles witnessed only by a few people. But the synoptic Gospels also include miracles attending the crucifixion that supposedly affected the whole world — namely, an “eclipse” lasting 3 hours, an earthquake, and a plague of zombies.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crucifixion_darkness
Odd that nobody but the anonymous authors of the Gospels seems to have noticed these events and recorded them, innit? The inclusion of such obvious lies should cast into doubt everything else in the Bible, even the existence of Jesus.
O, that clever Dalton. Only he can explain why the Jews, thousands of years before the Incarnation, prophesied about the coming of the non-existent divine person.
https://yanchepcatholic.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/prophecies-fulfilled-by-jesus-christ.pdf
>hasn’t read Otto Weininger
>in 2023
NGMI.
https://youtu.be/Dr2efHjt5Cs
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Yoko is free to marry
The author starts out with a very incorrect premise. Jesus is indeed recorded by historians. The Roman historians Josephus and Tacitus reference Christ. Muslims, Buddhists and even Talmudic Jews in the ancient world acknowledged the existence of Jesus.
On a sidenote Jesus was not considered an authentic Judean Jew. He was an outsider, a Galilean which was a a slightly different ethnic group.
Did I step into a time machine to the early 2000’s where New Atheism is still a thing?
Do all Jews have funny noses?
Are all Jews circumcised? Does circumcision make them Jews?
Does circumcision changes the nature of the person?
What are benefits of circumcision?
Do Jews showing their circumcision to each other to prove that they are Jews?
These are very complicated things.
Was Christ circumcised?
td needs to be banned for his low IQ and jewiness.
(2) believers will prosper in the afterlife and non-believers will suffer FALSE! only heretics believe that.
(3) Jesus is the son of God and humanity’s redeemer and personal savior. FALSE!
again. only heretics and ignorant jews like td.
sad.
jesus is God, God the son, the second person of the trinity. “personal savior” is meaningless heretic talk. and not only “humanity’s redeemer” and not in the sense td and his fellow tribesmen think.
the NT was completed more than a century before the mishnah. christianity is an OLDER religion than judaism.
mel is ashamed of you!
„Word“ is misleading. It is not words of languages. It refers to the devine „music“; new cagers would call it „cosmic sound“ (without hearing it?).
It means in reality sound, because it is the good sound, and the right sound at that. The right tone leads to the right light. The left tone leads to or warns of the negative (force) or disturbance aka “noise”.
The word (i.e. language) is a crutch in daily life and usually another destraction from the true tone, the sound of silence.
Language developed in the course of the spiritual degradation, when man could no longer understand another in true tone – within the sound of silence – without words or louds, when the left tone and or the inner noise had taken over and thus it had become too big to hear the sound of silence and understand the other in silence. It is the right sound and it turns light and bright (in grace, by the grace of go(o)d);
Physical music, i.e. harmonious music (not noise), is a sort of substitute for the missing inner sound; conscious or subconscious desire to reach the sound of silence or peace via outer music. That is why people often close their eyes when playing music and really try to have a deeper resonance.
(Many church goers come because of the music and not the priest’s words.)
You may claim to believe that Jesus is an ordinary man, but you’re still talking about him. Cope and seethe.
Adolf Hitler was a Christian, Mein Kampf defends Christianity repeatedly. As an adult man in Munich he painted Mary and baby Jesus. He viewed the Jews as primarily a racial problem, but that the race was formed in a parasitic niche in the diaspora. If his view was total ‘anti-semitism’ then he wouldn’t have been Christian nor worked with the Palestinians and other Muslim groups.
The original Semites were White, just look at the Samaritan group today. And they practice the Old Testament, which is very different from the Talmud and Kabbalah.
The Russian state recognized the Karaites as distinct from the Jews because they abhor the Talmud and Kabbalah.
White people need the Old Testament. It is ferociously anti-liberal. Beyond that, it is completed in Jesus, and the beautiful European tradition of the Church.
The New Testament is clearly anti-Jewish, and the Jews have always hated Christianity. Do you really think the nihilism and hedonism of the last 70 years have been a positive natural development?
Because they were obviously both the cause and consequence of the Jewish program to annihilate Christianity.
The Exorcisms were key to Jesus getting any attention from the Sanhedrin. Basically he was casting out demons in the Synagogues. Mostly Rabbis.
These were not tricky faith healings or medical science.
The character was supernatural in all aspects.
What’s interesting here…
Why are so manyAmericans circumcised?
Another question about Jesus, have you heard the speech of St Steven Protomartyr? He’s trolling the Jews the entire time, then he gets killed by the same nice Jewish boys he’s trolling.
It’s great literature but it’s also vividly true.
The character in the gospels is more human than human and more god than god though. They don’t record his Exorcisms of demonic Jews though. Nor his raising the dead.
The Nazarenes had hidden knowledge that the mainstream J3wi$h Sanhedron wanted to get their hands on, just as they have tried to recover the Chalice and the Ark of the Covenant.
Jesus possessed this occultic knowledge that today is represented covertly as Gnosticism.
The Roman tax records (now hidden & locked away by the Vatican Church-State) reflects the scrolls of taxation where Joseph of Nazareth and his family actually existed, just as the giants in Genesis 6 did, with the remains of giant skeletons being destroyed by the Illuminati Church-State and the Egyptians travelling the world leaving behind carvings in Egyptian Hieroglyphs! (Grand canyon, east coast of Australia, Peru, etc.)
The scribed ‘crimes’, ‘prosecution’ and ‘judgement’ were also recorded in the Roman records.
Pontious Pilate found Jesus innocent, and symbolically ‘washed his hands’ of the corrupted judgement brought about by the J3w$ of the High temple!
Pilate later became a ‘Christian’ and was beheaded for doing so…!
The old saying that ‘We’re all J3w$ inwardly’ is a distractive disrupter, in following a supposed ‘J3wi$h carpenter’, but the fact was and still is that the Nazarenes were very different due to their Gnosticism, and they knew that the J3w$ of the day would abuse that knowledge IF they ever got their hands of the same.
That is why Yeshua Hamasheel (Jesus Christ) spoke and taught in Parables to those he tested and found to be trustworthy thus teaching without divulging the actual Gnosticism.
Even to this day, trying to have a Holy Land detour over to Nazareth is made deliberately difficult by the Talmudic-based Noahide Law Israelis. They discourage visitations to the town…
The so-called ‘Christian’ Church has now been flooded with Roman Cat-Holism’s false teaching, icons, relics, statues, and ‘Graven Images’ that Christ spoke about and warned the followers not to get involved with. (see Illuminati Congo’s video Cat Holic).
The Bible now is available in 83 versions, (source; Gail Riplinger) and has been politically twisted and manualized for the Great Whore that sits on Seven Hills, aka the ‘Holy Roman Mother Church of Cat-Holicism’, and was also warned about by ex-Jesuit Priest Dr. Albert Rivero Romero before he was assassinated by the Jesuits.
Many elements of the Biblical text have been changed, and Books removed for the same for political and religious expediency.
Make no mistake- the Vatican Government is working hand-in-hand with Satanic elements, including Is-Ra-El. (Is=Isis, Ra=Sun God, El=Saturn, or Satan).
This is the same institution of stone that brought us the Inquisition, Genocides, Pogroms, Wars, and control over humanity using terror to do so.
Jesus Christ declared “Come OUT from Her (the Great Whore Church & it’s Protestant Daughters) My people, and be ye NOT partakers of her sins!”
Indeed, learning the Truth, as David Icke has discovered and shared with humanity, does set one free from this programming.
PhD huh?
Piled Higher and Deeper.
Hey Dingleberry, you do understand that your “Degree” is entirely dependent on the Civilization which Christianity created, don’t you?
I really dislike your name (what does it mean?) but I’ll answer your questions. I think it speaks well of you that you asked.
1) Thoughts are a part of the mind. That’s what the mind is – just a continual flow of thoughts passing through. Our thoughts originate in Consciousness – that is their source. Where we place our attention will influence the thoughts we have. Attention is very powerful.
2) Thought creates everything, but Want and Will are necessary to direct thought. Somebody knew this because the OT book of Genesis states: “God said, Let there be ….” and it was so. That’s not ‘Jewish’ or Israelite, that’s ancient knowledge.
3) Time is an illusion, connected to space. Time-Space require one another. The actual creator of time has to be the ego. The ego is the illusion of separation of the One as the Many. Diversity of objects and bodies. Individuality.
4) Probably not, because Mind-Body-Ego are one, and Time-Space is a part of that, created by and for that. Time-space has a very important purpose for evolution, which is also a part of the aforementioned illusory creations.
I said that thoughts originate in Consciousness, which is beyond the Mind-Ego-time-space complex. Consciousness doesn’t engage in thinking – is beyond it. It is what many people call “God.” “God” is just a name, and definitely not a Person.
As a former J3wi$h Leader of the old Soviet Union once said;
“We will bury you!”
Who said that?
Solomon Perlmutter, aka Nikita Kruschev, a Georgian J3w (NOT a Russian Orthodox Christian) at the U.N. in 1962 as he pounded his shoe on the table as a makeshift gavel…!
Orthodox J3w$ abide by the Torah (the Old Testament) while the Zionists abide by the anti-human Kabbalah, Talmud, and written and enforced Noahide Law.
Orthodox Jews march in protest against Zionism, as such is not Judaism.
The goal of the Talmudic Zionists who operated under Bolshevism is to wipe-out the ‘Christian’ Goyim masses.
Zelensky has already closed the Orthodox Churches in the Ukraine, and is prosecuting and detaining the Church Leadership, exactly like what the J3wi$h Bolchevik Leadership did in 1917.
Russia is NOT the bad guy here, but rather it’s the West which has been infiltrated, populated and subterfuged by Talmudic J3w$ in all levels of Western Civilization!
I recently read a suggestion that Mark was written in response to The Revelation of John. The chronology is confusing, but Mark’s Jesus is quite a bit more subdued than the Christ riding on a white horse in The Revelation. In contrast to the extraordinary scenes before the throne in The Revelation, Mark uses understatement – the tomb is discovered empty and there is no resurrection scene, but the ending does invite other authors to add their own endings in a writers’ round-robin?
But what about The Revelation? What does it mean; what kind of literature is it to begin with?
In particular, passages like the one below are “crying out” for an explanation:
Rev: 14-15: “Then I looked, and behold, on Mount Zion stood the Lamb, and with him 144,000 who had his name and his Father’s name written on their foreheads. And I heard a voice from heaven like the roar of many waters and like the sound of loud thunder. The voice I heard was like the sound of harpists playing on their harps, and they were singing a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and before the elders. No one could learn that song except the 144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth. It is these who have not defiled themselves with women, for they are virgins. It is these who follow the Lamb wherever he goes. These have been redeemed from mankind as firstfruits for God and the Lamb, and in their mouth no lie was found, for they are blameless.”
What kind of literature is this? The closest I’ve found to an explanation was first proposed by a group of musicologists. One, Ernest G. McClain, drew a parallel with Plato’s description of the destruction of Atlantis, which reveals itself to be, in part, a musical allegory (as discussed in “The Pythagorean Plato, Prelude to the Song Itself.”). Plato himself describes his literature as “high seriousness,” weighty subjects like philosophy, religion, politics, world catastrophes, are discussed with light-hearted wittiness mixed in. As McClain shows in his works, the light-hearted wittiness centers around the use of mathematics to construct musical scales, some scales possessing so many notes that disharmonies and destruction are inevitable (Atlantis).
In “The Myth of Invariance,” McClain shows that The Revelation of John follows a similar style, a possibility missed by fundamentalists and exposing our education system as a failure.
In explaining the musical allegory in The Revelation (not the whole message, but the witty accompaniment!), McClain relies on the concept of tonal indices, first suggested by a Jewish musicologist and 20th-century refugee from Eastern Europe, Sigmund Levarie. Tonal indices allowed ancient peoples to represent the process of choosing tones within an octave system using whole numbers exclusively. The octave itself can be represented by an integer and its double (one goes up or down an octave by halving or doubling respectively the length of a string on a musical instrument). One such set of integers often used was 72 and 144. Such integers bounding the limits of an octave are referred to as tonal indices.
The integers 72 and 144 are especially useful since their factors can be reduced to 2, 3, and 5. Mathematical operations are restricted to use of 2, 3, and 5 because 2 represents the mother or octave-womb for the other “tone children” (1 is the absolute), 3 is the prime (male) number closest to “the One” and therefore a god (for Hindus) or an Angel (for Jews and Christians), or “citizen of the highest property class,” for the more humanistic Plato. 5 represent heroic or virtuous men that have to be included for larger sets of tones. In a way, this is a light-hearted game! The only tragedy is that, if an integer-based system is extended through enough octaves, dissonance is inevitable since multiples of 2 never coincide with multiples of 3 or 5. Equal temperament will only be achieved in recent centuries with the use of the square root of two or, more precisely, the twelfth root of two to divide the octave into twelve precisely equal intervals.
Given the interval 72 to 144, it is easy to find a perfect fifth by multiplying or dividing by 3.
For example, 72 x 3/2 = 108 (a number suspicious present in the construction of many ancient monuments). By other multiplications or divisions involving 2, 3, and 5, we can populate the octave with a pentatonic (five-tone) scale or a diatonic (7 note scale). A scale of seven tones approaching, but not reaching, equal temperament is possible by expanding the tonal indices to 72,000 and 144,000j, picking out numbers that are exclusively factored by 2, 3, and 5 from that interval set and then winnowing down that set to seven notes that are related to one another in the ratio 3:2 exclusively.
Between 72,000 and 144,000, there are 49 numbers with 2, 3, and 5 as their ultimate factors. Seven of these numbers are selected for use in the “new song” to be sung in The Revelation. The other 42 are discarded for certain musical reasons. Thus, the 144,000 have to endure tribulations for 42 months –
“then they must be “purged” before all 144,000 can sing their “new song” in tune with the angels. Revelation describes a series of purging plagues visited on mankind before the second resurrection ; the “beast” is allowed to “exercise authority” for forty- two months (13:5), sparing neither God nor his dwelling, and the holy city itself “is given over to the nations” to trample for forty-two months (11 : 2).”
Only 7 “angels” remain of the 49 original candidates. They begin their purification:
“Now come seven purifying tribulations for the world as the seven angels each in turn blow their trumpets. Curiously, after the first angel blew, “a third of the earth was burnt up,” after the second, “a third of the living creatures of the sea died,” after the third, “a third of the waters became wormwood,” after the fourth, “a third of the sun was struck, and a third of the moon, and a third of the stars,” and after the sixth, “a third of mankind was killed” (8:7-9:15). The author is emphasizing diminution by one third. On a monochord string sounding F, diminution each time by one third would produce the C G D A E B F# associated here with the seven angels (i.e., a succession of musical fifths of ratio 3:2).”
All this is the tip of a rather large numerical iceberg in The Revelation of John. Since we are no longer acquainted with the literary style of “high seriousness,” we are literally tone-deaf to the meaning conveyed. Certainly matters of grave import in religion, politics, even natural catastrophe are described, but in what context?
OT god jealous and small and wicked.
Franz: “And nobody bothered to give a physical description? ”
In accordance with the prophecy of Isaiah 53,
Jesus was thought by early Christians such as Tertullian and Irenaeus to be hideous. According to these and other early sources, Jesus was well below average in height, hunchbacked, balding, and ugly, similar to the cartoon Jew we often see in Anglin’s Daily Stormer.
Franz: “Like Apollonius of Tyana, Jesus was at one time everywhere and totally elusive.”
There’s actually more evidence for the existence of Apollonius of Tyana than there is for Jesus. This is very hard to explain if there really was an historical Jesus, since it stands to reason Christians would have been very motivated to preserve any evidence of Jesus’ existence.
The retard author makes some erroneous assumptions here, namely 1) “Jews” are the same as “Hebrews”, 2) Jesus doesn’t exist despite widespread evidence of his existence, and 3) that Mary wasn’t artificially inseminated by extraterrestrials, which is an obvious explanation for the “virgin birth”.
For holding a PhD, the author should know better than to attempt to tackle a subject he is ignorant on.
Regularly animals know events long and/or shortly before they happen. Russian soldiers are listening to dogs right now, because dogs sense a strike beforehand.
I have met an Indian who could materialize things (like rings and watches, etc). (He got awfully rich and fat and died far to early in leaving wife and children behind.)
In my homelands we had a woman who lived by only drinking water. She never ate.
I have met another Indian who could change the clouds.
That same Indian could also materialize food and other “miracles”.
What about all those people walking through burning fires?
There still is a very hearty Indian woman who was once forced to turn water into milk.
(She is famous for her powers, not only in India…)
Jesus is dead and alive.
He still reappears to worthy gentlemen.
And we are not talking about halucinations but physical matter.
Man is soul. The body dies. Soul lives. Soul is (that which breathes you and me as long as it entertains the body).
Nope. It is all important.
Since Jesus gives us Himself to eat and drink as food, the fact that He was born in a manger (a pig’s feeding trough), and that He was born in the city of Bethlehem (which literally means, “the house of bread”) is all important!
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If Jesus was the son of God, then God would have to have DNA and it would have to be God’s sperm that fertilised Mary’s egg. If this is not the case then Jesus cannot be the son of God because “X is the father of Y” precisely means that the sperm from X fertilised some woman’s egg which led to the creation of Y.
That’s what Saul convinced you of — there is only one god, the Jewish god.
But for many thousand years before Saul appeared on the scene, in the same general time frame that Jews in the Roman empire were both fighting among themselves, and fighting against Imperial Rome in a (failed) attempt to gain POLITICAL sovereignty, all of the varied peoples in the Roman world honored their own gods, many of them. No intermediaries told them what god they must worship.
Also, Pagan Romans had no sense that they were inherently sinful & needed ‘salvation’ — needed someone to die in reparation for the “sin” of mankind. That was ALL Saul’s idea, overlaying his own Jewish pharisaism on the tales he heard by word-of-mouth about a Jesus character.
Roman Pagans got along just fine for >1000 years without demanding that they & their fellows believe Just This about a “one true God.”
nb. Someone above labeled those who do not affirm the Bible/Judeo/Christian dogma as “atheists.”
Romans were most definitely not atheists, they were Pagans. They honored, prayed to, etc.ultiple Pagan gods, who were present and operated at many junctures in a Roman person’s life.
Thank you for pointing this out. The ancient Israelites were able to accurately and faithfully pass down their oral traditions and it was something they were quite good at too.
People often compare our spotty memory and ability to orally transmit information with that of the ancient Israelites. The comparison, however, is not valid when one considers how meticulous the Jews were in preserving their traditions, particularly those which they believed came directly from Yahweh. There was a deep sense among these same preservers of oral tradition and history that what they were recording and passing down for their posterity was in its nature redemptive or salvation history. This caused them to take special care of what they wrote down.
This, of course, will not by itself convince skeptics or unbelievers, but there is no reason to believe that simply because something is passed down orally from ancient generations it must automatically be unreliable or not rooted in history.
According to the Shroud of Turin, Jesus was of classical Mediterranean vintage:
http://barry.warmkessel.com/1997Paper.html#B
JESUS’ DATE OF BIRTH
According the Shroud of Turin37, His winding – sheet
The man of the Shroud is 181 cm. (5 ft 11 in) tall, 170 lb with a cranial index of 79.9 cm. and a nasal index of 70.9 cm. His racial type is classic Mediterranean. Even casual observation of the Shroud depicts this subject as having a square face. The shoulders of His well-formed chest are partially obscured by scorches the Shroud sustained during a religious ceremony employing molten silver.
Table B-2
Descriptions Of Jesus/Christ
According to Publius Lentulus,agent for Tiberias Caesar
He is a tall, well-proportioned man, and there is air of severity in his countenance which at once attracts the love and reverence of those who see him. His hair is the color of new wine from the roots to the ears, and thence to the shoulders it is curled and falls down to the lowest part of them. Upon his forehead, it parts in two after the manner of the Nazarenes.
His forehead is flat and fair, face without blemish or defect and adorned with a graceful expression. His nose and mouth are very well proportioned, his beard is thick and the color of his hair. His eyes are grey and extremely lively.
http://barry.warmkessel.com/Xmascard.html
A NEW CHRISTMAS STORY ABOUT JESUS/CHRIST
CELEBRATING ‘HIS’ RETURN
On 25 December, Christians celebrate the birth of Jesus/Christ even though we know that was not the actual time of his birth. His actual time of birth was in the Early spring. It was Buddha that was born on Dec 25, 413 BC @ daybreak:
The Infinite Soul is thought to have incarnated among mankind four times, as Sri Krishna, Lao Tzu, Buddha and Christ. Jesus (AKA Yeshua) provided the body to host the Infinite Soul Avatar (AKA Christ) for the “last 30 days of his planned life”. The manifestation of the Infinite Soul is a profound event and it has only happened four times that is generally recognized. However, it may have happened once again recently. Its ‘coming’ has been prophesized as the Maitreya, the Fifth Buddha, the Twelfth Imam [Mahdi], the Second Coming of Christ, or the Messiah. It was Christ that was crucified, not Jesus. These are two different beings each of which experienced life on the physical plane, but at different times. The Infinite Soul (Christ) conspired with ET aliens to revive the soon to be dead physical body and return it to its original owner ( Jesus). Jesus would be ~33 day older and had been sleeping (on the astral plane) during Christ’s 30 day tenure. There is data suggesting that previously Jesus had been visiting/living in Japan for several years during His early twenties. He may have returned to Israel to get a wife (Mary Magdalene) and move his siblings back to Japan where he had been treated with kindness. In order to understand what may have transpired, one must first consider the litany of what had and was to happen during his life plan.
A. ET Aliens Reveal Photo Of Christ Near The Sea of Galilee
Figure B-1: Jesus’ Tzu Wei Chart: DOB/TOB 31 March 3 BC @8:20 AM.
How The Magi Found Jesus.
C1. Jesus’ Personality House
C2. Jesus’ Marriage, Sibling & Parent Houses
D. Jesus’ First Wife – Mary Magdalene
E. Jesus’ Second Wife – MiyukoI
Also:
http://barry.warmkessel.com/ISA.html
HAS THE MAITREYA INCARNATED
Marginal data suggests that there may have been an incarnation of the Infinite Soul (i.e. The Maitreya, The Fifth Buddha, The Twelfth Imam [Mahdi], The Second Coming of Christ, The Messiah) on 16 June 2008 at 8:00 AM EST +/- 1 (or 1.5) hours. Three pieces of information have combined to flag this event.
The first is a similar alignment of the Sun and Vulcan system (relative to Earth) that occurred when the Infinite Soul incarnated as Buddha (25 Dec. 413 BC)
The second is a Tzu Wei astrological description that governs this unique being’s human interpersonal relations. The main characteristics of this astrological description are similar to Buddha’s.
The third is a faint signature from the combined Princeton Random Event Generators (REGs) inputting random digital data to their Global Consciousness Project.
The incarnation would have occurred in the western hemisphere, along a longitude varying from 170oW in the northern polar regions to 70o W in the southern polar regions. These values can vary by +/- 15o (or 22o) of longitude at any specific latitude. An adult about 35 years old is anticipated to be the recipient of this Great Soul. Some Tzu Wei descriptors are offered.
While this is far from conclusive, there is marginal data from the Vatican and (USA) military intelligence that this being has returned. The quality of this data is deemed sufficient enough that collective mankind should be on the lookout for this unique being just in case the incarnation has actually occurred. Please do not harm or imprison this unique being.
Note: The Tzu Wei is a rare Chinese Astrology that was possibly derived by the Cenos ET aliens from Proxima (B?) and might be used by Christ’s touch therapy that He and His disciples used to heal people:
http://barry.warmkessel.com/ill.html
IMPACTS, MAGNETIC FIELDS AND DISEASES
(CURING DISEASE BY SIMPLE HUMAN INTERACTIONS)
Thank you anon for your serious words.
I had Jesus buried within the mess of religions,
but words like yours remind me stern to be more careful how I think about
and even make me feel foolish and arrogant to write about Him…
May He bless you!
Yep. Costume Nazis have a curious tendency to bash Christianity and be Jews.
Bing Bong Trump: “Adolf Hitler was a Christian, Mein Kampf defends Christianity repeatedly. As an adult man in Munich he painted Mary and baby Jesus.”
That’s very interesting. Notice, too, that his Jesus is very Aryan-looking, so evidently his conviction that Christ was an Aryan was something that was long-held by him and formed as a young man. I have observed in other comments that even in the severe criticisms of Christianity he makes that we find in Table Talks, Hitler NEVER criticizes Jesus personally. As the quotation I gave above in #9 illustrates, his view is that Christianity was corrupted by Paul.
There’s a deal of evidence that suggests that Hitler strongly identified with Jesus. For example, this excerpt from a speech of his, given in 1922:
Hitler’s teleological view of evolution also shows the Christian influence, in my opinion. The thousand-year Reich he proposed to launch has millennial connotations, comparable to Jesus’ return and reign of a thousand years on Earth as predicted in the Bible. His mad faith that Providence would eventually intervene and save him from losing the war reminds me of Jesus’ similar faith that God would intervene in his sufferings on the cross. All that’s missing for the parallel to be complete is that, as far as anyone knows, Hitler never cried “God, God, why have you forsaken me?” before shooting himself.
Not quite.
When Jesus exorcises a Jew in the Synagogue it’s his first recorded supernatural act in a text. It’s a supernatural battle with demons. “I know who you are, have you come to destroy us?” Said the possessed Rabbi. Sound familiar?
These exorcisms are what get him on the Radar of the Sanhedrin. They begin to plot to kill him in revenge for exorcism of a Rabbi/priest. “Shut it Down!” The hooknoses reeeeeeeeee.
He’s on a collision course with a demonically possessed and quite evil political hierarchy. St Steven their next innocent victim after the execution on Good Friday called them out too. To be fair to St Paul he was experiencing an Exorcism on the Road to Damascus. He’s been doing the devil’s own work on earth and suddenly was free of the demon on his back thanks to a vision of Jesus. No longer a secret policeman & inquisitor he went back to making canvas tents for an honest enough living.
The attempts to historicity for Jesus end up with judeophile crap like Reza Aslan’s Zealot. “ Well if he’s an historical figure all these lame Gospels are just anti Jewish propaganda! Jesus was a Zionist Jew donchanow. Fighting Romans.” It’s how these claims to history lead you to a kind of faux sophisticated judeophilia.
Does anyone who wants to place Jesus in rational secular history as Reza Aslan did, believe in the legitimacy of exorcism? I doubt it.
The level of ignorance of the actual breadth and depth of Christian scholarship evidenced by both the author and most of the commenters is astounding. Whole libraries of both Catholic and Reformed theology and history are instantly made worthless because some Christi-and-Jew-hater named Dalton throws up a few grade-school assertions, as though none of these objections has ever been thought of or responded to before!
I greatly respect Ron Unz’s commitment to free speech. I suppose to be able to publish “the good stuff”, like well-documented historical revisions, scientifically established conclusions regarding racial differences, or investigations into malign entities like the ADL, he has to cover himself with the nutty stuff, like questioning the Moon landing or whether Jesus the man existed. Oh well, whatever works to keep free speech alive.
“your degree is entirely dependent on the civilization which Christianity created.”
Not so.
A still functioning university in Egypt was established about 200 years before University of Bologna, first European university.
Socratic method, basis for much of system of teaching: Socrates was not a “confessing Christian.”
(But maybe smart enough not to get circumcised.)
Persian empire was highly sophisticated & provided extremely important civilizational institutions that Alexander merged & spread.
(Cyrus, Zoroastrian, recorded a declaration of universal human rights while Hebrews were still killing chickens –& their children!– to appease their god. Zoroastrianism does not insist that Man is inherently evil & in need of an outside “savior,” but teaches adherents that they can & should practice Good thoughts, Good words, Good deeds
Africans at Timbuktu had highly advanced literary culture earlier than “Christian” Europe.
Likewise, Chinese.
“Christian” Europe is really not that big, and numerous not-European influences pre-dated, influenced, and provided foundation for Graeco-Roman culture —> Christian culture.
This satan worshiping author is likely going to burn in hell fire.
I bought nothing from Kissinger, ever! Trump could and cant sell anything to me. Neither can any Khazarian salesman, salesmen or women
I had a massive struggle with western content ever since a kid. I refused to believe,
was always in the truth/lie dialectic as so much depended on being seen on the right side of
things ideologically.
I did not know, was learning, growing up, and I already learned I could trust nothing and no
one…especially the white man. I had to trust my own experience and logic but
look at where that led me!
To trust my own logic god made no sense. The bible made less. All I did did not end up in my favor yet that is what I was led too believe and live. Humanity seemed then as now a low level of craftmanship for a god who was capable of absolutely anything. why would god make creatures imperfect, of such a low level of existence.
Obama is a case in point. Why Obama… who is a quantum contradiction? Obama is opposed to his entire reality reality as African, as president of the USA, and now as a senior statesman of that country. And that opposition given the power of the American president could be existential for Obama’s people given their relationship to his job. I mean Obama destroyed Libya as just one of the heinous acts perpetrated against the interests of his people, against the interests of ordinary people in the world
Ok so Obama sold out to fatten his pockets, and killed a whopping amount of people in the process. For what Godly purpose? We could figure out the Obama purpose, a traitor, created imperfectly by the God Itself, but what in the hell could God have wanted to create Obama for, purpose, lesson to manifest and learn from in that situation? What could have come out of that quantum reality that would be purposeful to god given that IT is god, and that it made the situation period, from scratch? why did it not solve the situation instead of manifesting it since IT knows the answer already because IT made the reality. Where is the logic, the purpose?
If you are god, by human example for instance – a carpenter building a house, doing his construction the best way he knows how to, then God doing the best he knows would build a better humanity, a better world. And in the process I admit that God is not absolute for like the carpenter, he was doing the best he could. But the carpenter has to build the house, that’s his living, its existential for him. Was building this world/universe/multiverse, humanity, eternal, endless matrix of life forms, existential for God? I mean God is anyway far, far, far, far…. more sophisticated than any mere human carpenter, has far greater powers at IT’s command!
Was that job of creation so stressful for God that it had to create an Obama and his challenges-the world! us, the people! who did not ask for any of it, did not ask to be born and to die, to suffer, starve and on and on… and let him loose on it!?
And in fact so many of them for though Obama is such an extreme, such a finessing of that absolutely destructive type he may be unique
Why did not god ask me, or indeed any and all of us if I/we, wanted to be created, to be born into the world at all! into the multiverse?
By that human example again isn’t God an undemocratic MF? He never put that issue to a vote – cooking up a bunch of humans at the start, demonstrating what he was going to do with us, what he was making us for. Indeed he did not know what he was making us for for we have the Obama example. Had I been asked in the face of any such demonstration I would have at least demanded some alterations. In fact lots of them..Major ones!
Absolutely disgusting that Christianity and other religions
need indoctrination to brainwash people from a young age pounding them with propaganda and repetition.
need to use psychological fear “believe in the loving god or burn in hell”.
Then it talks about free will… can’t make this up.
Even if it has plenty of good things to teach its a sham.
As for the supposed 2.4 billion Christians,
a huge amount of them are secular and godless.
Nothing but a label. Hard to get rid of it.
It’s called Sikhi. It’s a warrior religion and a political religion, It is not a pie in the sky religion. This is the first verse:
The One, The True Name
Creator of The Vast Expanse
Without Fear
Without Enmity
Beyond Time
Self-Existent (is not born and does not die)
Self-Enlightened
Knowable by (God’s) Grace.
Jaap (now recite)
…
Here are some of it’s core principles;
1. God according to Sikhi, permeates the entire multiverse and everything
metaphysical and beyond perception. IS NOT ANTHROPOMORHPIC. IS ESSENTIALLY
UNKNOWABLE.
2. . There Is A Principle Even Higher Than Belief In God. It’s simply living a life of good virtue.
3. Living A Good Life Is Not Sufficient To Gain Salvation
Salvation depends on the grace of God only. Nobody can show any goodness to God
4. We Are Not Born Evil
Sikhi completely disagrees with the Abrahamic concept that man is born evil. The Guru
Granth Sahib states: “his light illuminates each and every heart“. Because of this one
single verse there were never any hangings, beheading, corporal punishment or death
sentences during the span of the Sikh Empire.
5. Sikhi does not accept the Jewish, Christian and Muslim concept of a Hell where
punishment in eternity is meted out to sinners. This concept is a fantasy designed to instill fear and hatred in the minds of men.
6. The Sikh scripture does not contain the denigration or praise of any man. It contains no histories, except for one stanza on Babur’s invasion of India
7. Sikhi Explicitly States That Females Are Equal In All Respects. There have been MANY female warriors.
8. The Sikh Scripture Must Be Read Publicly In It’s Entirety On A Frequent
Basis.
9. Sikhi explicitly forbids a priesthood.
10. No person can claim ownership of a Gurdwara (Sikh church)
11. Pilgrimages, rituals have no value.
etc. 5th largest world religion and growing by voluntary adoption only. No proselytization.
Learn about the Political Science of the Sikhi
The Sikhi: A Political Science Primer: https://archive.org/details/the-sikhi
Nonsense. “Jesus” is an Anglicised version of “Iesous”, which is a Hellenised version of Ye[ho]shua (also rendered as “Joshua” in English).
Same is true for Yonatan (Jonathan), Yakov (Jacob, and also James), Yusuf (Joseph).
As for “Christ”; “χριστός” means “anointed”.
Joshua the Anointed.
This was always a reference to the notion that Yehoshua ben Yusuf was the Mashiach (which means “the anointed one in Hebrew… that’s literally Judaism 101).
The anointing refers to the supposed practice of anointing the king – which was a ripoff of Egyptian and Sumerian rituals around conferring kingship. Mashiach means nothing more than a rightful Davidic king. That it is why the people who faked the synoptic gospels included fake genealogies (non of which match).
Simeon bar Kochba made the same claim for himself, over 100 years later.
If the common people in the region thought that Yehoshu ben Yusuf was actually the Mashiach, Simeon bar Kochba would not have been able to raise an army – if anything he would have been executed for blasphemy.
During the centuries of occupation by Egypt, Assyria, and Rome, Palestine always had many nutjobs and grifters who claimed to be the Mashiach.
There would certainly have been people named Yehoshua ben Yusuf in Roman-occupied Palestine: both names were very common.
But there wasn’t a grifter who
(a) told their followers to sell their cloak and buy a sword;
(b) could curse mustard bushes and cast demons into herds of swine;
(c) could cure leprosy; raise the dead; make the blind to see; and
(d) required a COHORT of Roman soldiers to arrest (a cohort is 600 regulars, or 1200 auxiliaries: quite a show of force to arrest a hippie)
(e) whose entire life was funded by a woman who could afford to tip a litre (elsewhere a pound) of spikenard on his head (“Mark” 14:3) and/or feet (“John” 12:3).
Now (e) above is especially ludicrous.
The “Mark” version was obviously intended to represent the anointing – and was the “other bookend” to being baptised by John the Baptist (another loony who claimed to be mashiach).
Note that Mark 12 and John 14 refer to the same event; one says teh expensive unguent was poured on his bonce; the otehr says it was his bunions.
The presents an issue made clear in the lyrics to “Industrial Disease” by Dire Straits:
They really needed to say At least one of them must be wrong – but that wouldn’t ‘scan’.
From:
Digging Up The Dog: The Greek Roots Of Gurdjieff’s Esoteric Ideas by George Latura Beke
Short book of less than a hundred pages. The exact quote near the start is:
Goodreads adds this (pretty much quoting Beke:
Modern-day exorcisms are starting to get former skeptics’ attention, too.
https://www.insideedition.com/meet-dr-richard-gallagher-a-catholic-psychiatrist-who-helps-with-exorcisms-62863
Who is to say Jesus did not exist?? Were any of you there??
In 2023 half of America thinks Joe Biden won the 2020 Presidential Election and is a legitimate President. And yet in reality the 2020 presidential election was a digital coupe; it was a blatant, treasonous theft of the highest post in our land and you mainstream media idiots gobbled it down –hook, line and sinker.
Think on that – A historical event that took place just two years ago and yet half of the population believe a complete historical LIE.
Here we are 2,023 years after the birth of Jesus and all you hairless monkeys are throwing poo at each other saying the whole thing was a fake. HOW DO YOU KNOW? You can’t even get the 2020 election right. And you, with your incredible erudite brains are going to sort out an event from 2000 years ago and pass judgement on its historical accuracy???????
So what if the bible is in some place an incoherent contradictory work. What religious text is not full of contradictions???
How do you communicate the Devine to a prehistoric, stone-age tribe of Bedouin dessert dwellers? And how the fuck can you count on those idiots to accurately record what they saw? How do you trust a text that was cobbled together over a 300 year span by people who nothing of science, mathematics, germ theory….etc.
Christianity is just as good as any other religion and it is much needed in our world. The Christian work ethic built this country and countless others.
I personally believe in Devine revelation and gradual revelation. When we evolve enough to understand it, a new religion will be revealed. There is a Devine spark in all of us. There is something so much more beautiful than Nihilism, Atheism and Humanism to this world. We all can feel it from time to time.
Until then shut the fuck up. Say your prayers and maybe you will go to heaven and see your dead relatives again. Some of you dirty little poo throwing monkeys will just end up being “Fuel for the Fires of Hell”.
Peace Out.
Did your pager go off this morning directing you to comment on this article?
Why is it you always show up to make sure you get your digs in against bedrock white European cultural beliefs and values?
I smell a Scribe in our midst.
Go collect your $50; the third wife’s girlfriend needs some Bud Light.
Author is confusing Israelite with Jew. Mary was an Israelite and so was her son. Also, as far as “Jewish propaganda” goes, it is on the author to explain John 8:44.
Paul, however, was a Pharisee Jew. And Paul was indeed a liar. Peter should have opposed him, but as Jesus fortold, he yet again betrayed him. “Before the rooster crows, you will betray me 3 times”. First time, was at the night of the arrest of Jesus. Second time was when Peter allowed Saul cum Paul to hijack the religion from Church of Jerusalem. Third time is “Church of Peter” making a god out of Jesus. Roosters crow before the morning, meaning ‘The Return of the Sun”.
Some Christians have questioned why would God send another prophet after Jesus. And Qur’an fully affirms Jesus. Does the author claim the Qur’an too is “jewish lies”?
I’m afraid my knowledge of the OT only extends as far as this schoolboy ditty I learnt as a 7 year old:
Holy Moses had a dog, he called him Olly Ollocks..
He tried to jump a ten foot wall, and landed on his bollocks!
😂
Julius Caesar is also a candidate.
Sounds implausible, when the competition is so compelling: “ManGod son of Bronze Age foreskin-obsessed Sky Psychopath – who bizarrely allowed his ManGod-son to be nailed to a tree because shut up you antisemite“.
John Carter from “Postcards from Barsoom” has written some interesting stuff on this very issue (the link is to the first of these – or I think it’s the first).
The problem with Thomas Dalton is that he reads sources very selectively. His arguments are out-dated higher critical polemics that have been debunked by serious biblical scholars. From all of his writings, I have not once read him interacting with serious conservative scholars such as Craig Blomberg, Gleason Archer, Gary Habermas, Daniel Wallace, Craig Evans, and others who have written extensively on the very subjects that he irresponsibly touches (e.g., Jesus’ existence, historical reliability of the New Testament, the reliability of textual transmission, “the Jesus myth,” etc.).
Dalton also tries to find ancient pagan parallels to Christianity, making more out of them than is warranted. He reads strange notions into Christian theology, especially the theory of pagan derivation which was masterfully refuted by Christian scholars such as James Machen, Ronald Nash, and Edwin Yamamuchi in their respective works.
Again, Dalton does not interact or even show any knowledge of New Testament scholars who have published serious books debunking the very matters he argues in his anti-Christian screeds. This alone shows he is not well-rounded nor well-read in the matters he speaks so confidently about. He also at times reaches rash conclusions and he is dismissive of anyone who argues otherwise.
The average reader might think that Dalton’s position is rock solid, but that’s because they know little to nothing about the textual transmission of ancient NT manuscripts and their reliability. They have little understanding of Christian theology, including the history of the Christian Church, especially in how the canon of the OT and the NT were formed.
These subjects, no doubt, are complex. I can’t give a one-line answer to all that Dalton raises in his article because there’s a lot of background information that needs to be explained. There are nuances to these matters that must be carefully handled, and a whole lot of misunderstandings and smokescreens from skeptics have to first be cleared up.
I find Dalton helpful and often insightful in his refutations of the Holocaust narrative and in his defense of Adolf Hitler. However, he is downright weak, vitriolic, and reactionary when it comes to Jesus and Christianity. Those of us who actually know something about these matters can only role our eyes at Dalton’s efforts to vanquish Christianity and the truth of Christ Jesus.
Historic Christianity is no enemy to White racial identity (see my first article at ‘The Occidental Observer’). Please don’t assume that modern-day Charismatic/Pentecostal Christianity along with Christian Zionism is somehow reflective of authentic New Testament Christianity that’s found in the gospels and epistles because they’re not.
You should look into Mid Acts Pauline Dispensational theology. See graceambassadors.com
Yes, how horrifyingly MORONIC all our Fathers and Mothers were during all these two millenia of Christendom guiding the White Race. How could they not have seen how obvious the risible folly of Christianity is? All those objectively great geniuses of our people who “bought into” this patent fraud. And to think that this Dalton person knows (and all these astute commenters) that it is provably a fact that Christianity is a massive lie. Truly remarkable that the founding peoples of America could be Christian to the degree of 100% of the population…and yet settle, clear, build, and sustain what up until recently has been the greatest nation-state in modern times. How could a people be so totally duped and yet accomplish so much. A question for the ages…no?
If a white couple artificially conceives a life and has a black woman to carry it to birth, is the child a black kid? Or a white kid that was grown in a black womb?
Is Jesus all of God gene or half God gene and half Mary’s gene? If the latter, then He’d be half-Jewish. If He’s all of God’s gene, then He wouldn’t be Jewish but just carried to birth in a Jewish womb, like a white kid that was only grown(but not conceived) in a black womb.
I hear some Asians and homos are now renting white wombs to grow their own kids. It’s rent-a-womb, which means the baby doesn’t have any of her genes. Rather, the genes are of the parents who provided the sperm and egg or got them somewhere(maybe a sperm or egg bank).
If we believe the MYTH of Christianity, then one could assume God took His ‘dna’ and just rented a Jewish womb. That would mean Jesus, though born of a Jewish woman, wasn’t really Jewish but purely of God ‘dna’, much like Moses was raised by Egyptians but was really all Jewish dna.
Here is the stupidest thing Dalton has written in a while:
Dalton does not know what evidence is. Dalton does not know how to argue about evidence. Dalton is a humanities wonk who thinks he understands science and epistemology, but in fact he does not understand much of anything. Presumably his scholarship was good enough to warrant a Ph.D. in his extremely specialized field. He should re-examine his quality standards for his own work and try to be a good Ph.D. in his specialty. He should stop talking about “evidence” in public until he can pass the basic tests that undergraduates take.
YOUR A FILTHY EVIL DIRTY BASTARD..MAY GOD STRIKE YOU WITH A PLAGUE AND MAY THE DEMONS TORTURE YOUR JEW LIKE BRAIN…THE ENTIRE PURPOSE OF YOUR ARTICLE WAS TO OFFEND CHRISTIANS..BURN IN HELL YOU SATAN.
Leaving aside the “Jews” stuff, longevity is not a suitable criterion for separating wheat from chaff.
The Egyptian pantheon was pretty much unquestioned for 4 millennia – now everybody knows it’s bullshit.
The Vedic literature predates the New Nonsense by ~500 years (and Rig Veda predates it by 1500 years); it’s still current, so it wins?
This is what happens when a society doesn’t have search engines: bullshit’s half life is basically forever.
Every generation of grifters has to find a suitable grift: organised religion is among the most reliable grifts that has ever existed – no barriers to entry, unquestioned authority, no requirement to be born out of a Magic Vagina (or one that took a hot load from a Magic Wang).
The New Testament fanfic has all the hallmarks of material deliberately made to compete with alternatives available at the time – regardless of who wrote it.
Once it got traction – a lot of which was obtained by retconning that nobody could check – it made sense for any aspiring grifter to align with the new Dominant Coalition.
Also: most human adults are barely a notch above retarded. They are super-gullible, and do not have the cognitive chops to work out when they’re being lied to.
Case in point: iSteve‘s response to the SARS-nCoV-2 hysteria. That was genuinely CRINGE.
Saying it’s literature is not the same as saying the character was fake.
I also saw Mary as a type of supernatural surrogate.
The story surrounding the conception invites such conclusions. We know from the story that Joseph was not the dad. So Jewishness is kinda strange if you get a Virgin Birth with God making it happen. It is something else again.
Now we know who the readers of Unz are. A bunch of pagans, jews and atheists who share a passionate hatred for Christ and Christianity. You’re all scumbags dressing your nasty world views in various word costumes but the bottom line is you’re jew trash. I love Dalton pulling the old bit about Christ’s existence being a jew hatched scheme. Yeah. Not worth wasting time on.
Christ is King. Heil Hitler. All you Unz jews ready your souls for hell.
Jesús, el que era judío!
I grant that the Jews were ruled but how do we know they were oppressed? Serious question.
The author goes back and forth between “The Gospels are made up” and “We know about Jesus’s lineage and family because it’s in the Gospels.” This kind of code-switching does not augur well.
Rather than saying “the evidence suggests” how about saying “the literature suggests”? See? Neutral. The author says that a made-up character, Joseph, was “an observant Jew.” So now we care if imaginary Jews were observant? I wonder if Joseph liked honey? That Winnie the Pooh sure liked honey!
“And of course, everyone thought of him as “king of the Jews” (Matt 2:2; John 19:3).” Jeepers Christ! Now the author is just making stuff up. The NT literature is quite clear on the fact that universal agreement on that point was just not a thing.
As the teacher on SouthPark, I think it was Mrs. Choksondik said to the student when he said “Suck my balls!” ….. Present them. Don’t make an unsubstantiated assertion and try to pass it off as a footnote. Homie don’t play that. Footnotes are supposed to provide information.
If there were no recording devices or printing people would still be talking about JFK and Woodstock but the tale would grow in the telling. Someone might even have written about the events contemporaneously in their diary. Or sculpting them in their dairy, hence the 14 Cappucinos of the Cross.
Remember that Charles Alan Gilbert drawing of the skull, All Is Vanity? When it comes to the J-Man all is silliness. On that note, the Grateful Dead’s He’s Gone, ostensibly about the band’s former manager, is secretly about the truth of Jesus, he ain’t comin’ back. A worldwide religion built on the biggest lie in the universe. That’s some Time Lord shit.
Paul and the Gospel writers fake, liars? The Devil you say! It’s clear to anyone familiar with present day homos that Paul was a closeted butt puncher and worked out his issues in the Epistles.
Along that line, there’s still the “Render unto Caesar” line to be accounted for. “Not that there’s anything wrong with that!” as the Seinfeld show taught us. Still, a mighty queer thing for an anti-Roman to say.
You’d think Herod killing all the male babies (reminiscent of the story in the equally made-up Exodus) would have kicked up more of a fuss and oh, I don’t know, THE JEWS might have passed the story down?
#1 @superfluous man: “Geophagy”? C’mon man! You know the thing! I’m not joking.
#2 g@conatus: Sounds like you’re of “Let’s you and him fight” branch of Christianity. Let’s see you a pushup.
#8 @ann[149]: “Where do I start? First, Jesus is a Judaic name” When you start by saying something that’s screamingly obviously wrong, where you should start is NOWHERE. Jesus is the Latin form, Iesous is a transliteration of the Greek form. Suck less.
“Moreover, Jacob Elon Conner, PhD, US ambassador to Viet Nam” Conner was never an ambassador to Vietnam or anywhere. He was a U.S. consul in French colonised Indochina. See above.
#11 @Wayne Lusvardi: “Mary is not a Jewish name.” “But go to Lebanon and there are many Mary’s because Mary is a Galilean, Canaanite, Phoenician name.” Because Galilee is in Lebanon? How stupid are you, por favor? See above.
#12 @Dr. Robert Morgan: “If I recall correctly, he evaluates the historical evidence and places the probability of Jesus’ non-existence at about 2/3, i.e., more likely fictional than not.” Many real-life gamblers dealing with real life money would roll the dice on a 1/3 chance. And win often enough to make it worth consideration. So this guy’s argument is not compelling.
#13 @Wayne Lusvardi: “I have done a lot of academic graduate work and subsequent study in the sociology of religion and the sociology of knowledge.” Being involved in one of the least demanding fields of study (criminology, art history, and sociology, in descening order of difficulty) is not something you should be admitting. See above.
#28 @Wayne Lusvardi: I see you like to repeat yourself. He repeats himself, ladies and gentlemen (hat tip Mark Levin). If the goal is to come of as mentally deficient, mission accomplished. See above.
#32 @Franz: “He’s clearly stating that there was a Greek progenitor of the Jesus figure, as hinted at by his title of “Christos” which is just Greek for “anointed king” and means roughly what “messiah” means.” Imagine that! A Greek word in a text written in Greek you stupid idiot. By your logic Gurdjieff was Russian because Gurdjieff is Russian for Giorgiades. Suck less, won’t you? See above.
#38 @deadname: “Furthermore, you totally gloss over the anti Semitism of the Gospels.” I’m normally a fan of anti-semitic books. The Gospels, not so much. “Around blacks, never relax, around Jews, never snooze, around Christians, never listen.”
“Matthew consistently takes Markan themes and stretches them to the point of absurdity.” The whole Bible, OT and NT is absurd, why is this suddenly a problem. Maybe focus on the internal contradictions. “Thusly” is not a word, any more than “slowlily” or “quicklily” is. “Thus” is already an adverb. See above. And seek the true meaning of “See above.”
“Paul never quoted Jesus.
And Mark quotes Jesus as saying some of the same things as Paul.”
Are you a stupid idiot Focker? See the heck above.
#40 @deadname: “All languages, and all cultures, like all living things, descend from a single mother.” Is being fucked in the head painful? Asking for a friend. See above.
“Another translation of Christ could be “once and future king”.” No it couldn’t. See above.
#43 @deadname: You are a stupid idiot. See above.
“According to the Hebrew version, “God” is used as a translation for the Hebrew word Elohim (meaning “gods”) while “Lord” is used as a translation for the Hebrew word YHWH (which is the proper name of the Jewish God).” NO, stupid idiot. “Lord” (kurios) is a translation of the Hebrew word “Adonai” you stupid idiot. Have you considered saying something true? It’s great fun. See above.
#67 @jsigur: Only a stupid idiot would ignore the expulsion of the Muslims from Spain. See above.
–TBC–
All of the sermons I have seen in Protestant Christian churches have been from the New Testament, primarily from the 4 gospels, with references to Old Testament writings.
Very Wise.
Jesus first act was walking into a synagogue to Exorcise a Rabbi. The Sanhedrin hear about it and begin to plot his death. “I know who you are, have you come to destroy us?” Said the Rabbi at the Exorcism.
There’s a name for that feeling: existential dread. Been there, done that. It was a harrowing experience indeed. If you’re going through it yourself, or you can perceive its onset on the horizon, it might help at least a little to know I came out of it alive and well, with fewer illusions but about as happy as I ever was (I generally had an bright, optimistic outlook on life, which I’m glad to report has returned in full force). Just because something is possible for one person doesn’t necessarily mean it’s possible for you, but it at least offers a glimmer of hope.
What is the secret? The long and the short of it is: learn to embrace a bit of irrationality and exercise the faith muscle. Depending on how analytically you approach things, that may seem an impossibility to you. It did to me. But it’s like going to the gym. You’re not going to bench 300 on your first attempt; most people won’t even do it on their 300th attempt. But you can get progressively stronger, and at some ill-defined point you will feel it appropriate to think of yourself as “strong.” You can reach a similar point with irrationality and faith: “I may not have all the answers, but what I have allows me to feel good about existence, and feel sure that there is some meaning and purpose behind it all, which I am in the process of discovering.” If you can do better than that, great; but I’d say that’s about the threshold to aim for.
Kurios or Lord also appears in place of YHWH. Not just Adonai. Also I’m right about everything. So piss off.
Then we would expect that the famous Lord’s Prayer which Jesus taught directly to the ears of his disciples would have been remembered perfectly word-for-word, right ?
Wrong.
There were different versions from the beginning :
#1 – G.Matthew (c.85, Greek)
Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name.
Your kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread,
and forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors.
And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil.
Amen.
#2 – G.Luke (c.85, Greek)
Father, hallowed be your name.
Your kingdom come.
Give us each day our daily bread,
and forgive us our sins, for we ourselves forgive everyone who is indebted to us.
And lead us not into temptation.
Amen.
#3 – Didakhe (c.100, Greek)
Our Father, who are in heaven, hallowed be your name.
Your kingdom come.
Your will be done, as in heaven, so also on earth.
Give us this day our daily bread,
and forgive us our debt, as we also forgive our debtors.
And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one,
For yours is the power and the glory for ever and ever.
Amen.
#4 – Tertullian (c.200, Latin)
Our Father, who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name.
Thy kingdom come, thy will be done, as in heaven, so also on earth.
Give us this day our daily bread,
and forgive us our debt, as we also forgive our debtors.
And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil.
Amen.
#5 – Origen (c.230, Greek)
Our Father in heaven, hallowed be thy name.
Thy kingdom come, thy will be done on earth also as in heaven.
Give us today our needful bread,
and forgive us our debts as we also have forgiven our debtors.
And bring us not into temptation but deliver us from evil.
Amen.
#6 – Cyprian (c.250, Latin)
Our Father, who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name.
Thy kingdom come, thy will be done, as in heaven, so also on earth.
Give us this day our daily bread,
and forgive us our debt, as we also forgive our debtors.
And suffer us not, to be lead into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one.
Amen.
#7 – Variant Doxology
A few MSS add
“For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, of the father, the son, and the holy spirit for ever.”
#8,9,10 – Varying Doxologies
A few MSS exclude the words “the power” or “the glory” or “the kingdom”.
So, if Jesus ever existed, if the disciples ever existed, if there was ever an Oral Tradition passing on the words of Jesus – it failed dismally.
If time permits, check out Jim Jefferies and his take on religion.
I wonder what % of these people would be willing to debate with Orthodox Christian apologists? I suspect a very low percentage, and the ones who do would convert.
Christians from different denominations gather to worship the Same Jesus together all the time. It’s called ecumenism. There are certainly so-called “Christian” cults, but most mature Christians from different denominations can major on the majors and work together. Church splits sometimes start when two Bible scholars “nerd out” over differing interpretations of a Biblical passage, and separate over an issue that wouldn’t even be an issue between more spiritually mature individuals. Churches can divide over sincere differences in church governance (independent local lead pastor? presbytery? hierarchical oversight spanning wider geographical area?) but they basically believe the same things about who Jesus is. “You serve Him your way, and we’ll serve Him our way,” is the idea.
There are people who work together during the week in Christian parachurch organizations, providing refuge for battered spouses, providing free food and medical care to people in a bind in America’s messed-up economy, providing compassionate services (teaching water purification and sustainable agriculture methods) to people living under even greater oppression in places like Burma (aka Myanmar.) But come Sunday morning, one’s going to head to a church where he can hear Bach and Ein Feste Berg played on a pipe organ, the other’s going to go where the full drum set plays so loudly the drummer sits behind a plexiglass screen. They’ll get into good natured arguments over music, but they agree about who Jesus is, what He expects, and the Divine help He gives through the Spirit to those who will trust and obey.
Speaking of trusting and obeying, these tend to be prerequisites to receiving personally convincing evidence of the reality of the Spirit of Jesus in a person’s life. The Lord Almighty doesn’t tend to perform Dog and Pony shows for the sneeringly blasphemous.
Josephus is said to have given Titus gold from the Jewish temple.
Where did the gold come from?
At base of My Sinai ‘Bad Jews’ made a calf out of gold.
Where did that gold come from?
After Levites killed the ‘bad Jews,’ what happened to the gold?
There is an ancient source that testifies to Jesus — The Talmud. The Talmud states that:
-Jesus of Nazareth was a real person
-Jesus performed supernatural acts (which the Talmud attributes to magic and sorcery).
-Jesus was tried by the Jewish authorities and sentenced to death because he called himself the Son of God.
The Talmudic Rabbis were vehement opponents of Christianity. Therefore, if Jesus did not exist then it would be in their interest simply to state this fact to disprove Christianity.
Why then would they document in their holy book that Jesus did exist, that he performed supernatural acts, and that he claimed to be the Son of God?
https://www.gairgair.com/files/proving_your_case_through_adverse_witnesses__.pdf
Proving Your Case Through Adverse Witnesses
The best way to prove your case to a jury is often through the mouths of the enemy. Most
jurors will expect your witnesses to testify favorably to your case. They will not, on the other hand, expect an adverse witness to testify favorably for you. Therefore, any opposition witness that gives positive testimony for you will help underscore the strength of your case.
Among all this trash yours is the only comment worth reading. I’ve never seen so much word vomit and stupidity. Only you have sorted it out correctly.
Oops , reply #149 is meant for you.
>But the synoptic Gospels also include miracles attending the crucifixion that supposedly affected the whole world — namely, an “eclipse” lasting 3 hours, an earthquake, and a plague of zombies.
A contemporary of Hadrian- who ordered a temple dedicated to Aphrodite, which Constantine replaced with a church, be built over the site of Jesus’ tomb, to fight the spread of Christianity- Phlegon of Tralles mentions a 3 hour solar eclipse and a simultaneous earthquake during the reign of Tiberius
There were 3 broad sects. The Pharisees, the Sadducees, and the Essenes.
Jesus spoke of the Pharisees and Sadducees as the “other”.
Which sect did Jesus belong to?
Yes, there’s no question that all those listed (and many others besides them) would wipe the floor with a lightweight like Dalton. But I don’t think Dalton’s purpose here was to provide a categorical refutation of Christianity. I think he understands that his audience (at The Occidental Observer) is unlikely to contain very many true believing Christians, and his essay works more as an exhortation to them to go out and preach the ‘anti-gospel.’ After all, despite not being a categorical refutation, he has provided his charges with sufficient ammunition to shake the faith of poorly informed Christians (as we can see by some of the reactions on this thread).
I doubt it will get him very far though. Gone are the days when the Christian response was basically to hush up these critiques and shield the flock’s eyes from them. Christian apologists nowadays confront them head on. The upshot is that these debates are essentially decided even before they’re begun, since there is enough material for both sides to feel confident in their positions. How it eventually all plays out, time will tell.
Current Christian doctrine says that.
There was a much larger argument before this doctrine became dogma at the Council of Nicaea, 325 AD.
The essential argument was whether Jesus was THE Son of God, or whether he was A son of God.
The answer has exceedingly important implications for the Christian faith.
One side won, the opposing side declared as heretics and suppressed thereafter.
So effective was the suppression that every year when we recite the Nicene Creed, nobody asks what the creed was all about.
This author took his name from Road house. He is a clown.
@Joe Levantine, you can shove “da covenant” up your ass
That’s nonsense they put out for gullible chumps no different in essence from how they popularized the idea a being could “con-vert” into another being by dripping water on the body with special words.
“Yes goyim, ole Schmiel Trotskysteinmann is no longer jewish. You see, he has taken in da spirit of da jeeezus, been born again & is fully in league with da jeeezus. Believe us, this is very worrying for jews, we’re afraid we tell ya. Terrible! Ole Schmiel even now is beginning to talk of how he’s going to ‘whip up a storm against da synagogue of satan. The last thing we need is for this sooooo scary & totally not useful death cult that works better than spider venom to liquefy goy from the inside out to be popular. We deeply fear, hate, & lose our minds imagining the goyim literally bowing down & worshipping us, begging to lick our jewish balls & take a brutal ramming daily. Its a trav-iss-tee, i tell ya! We shakin in our jew boots imagining the terrors of having your worst enemy bow down begging to lick our jewish balls, seriously”
Tell me, is a saltwater crocodile “not a real croc” if i say so? If i change its name, does that change its DNA?
Keep playing word games though. “Ohh ya see, da covenant sayz jews not born past dis imaginawwwy line on a map iz not da tru jews. Totally plausible. Rabbi just a word. Doesnt necessarily mean rabbi” (even though the context proves it does).
You seem like an apologist type. If that’s accurate, your type are arguably worse than are the dirt chewing “sheep,” the fanatical christ-rats too hopelessly addicted, delusional, cowardly, corrupt, & plain stupid to think their way into a port-o-potty.
Why in the fuck is any supposedly pro white dissident taking any of this jewish garbage seriously (other than to debunk it & try to rid our species of this ancient spiritual cancer)?
Find a different drug you christ rats/alt-republicans.
Or, have some integrity. You go to “your” church where its definitely NOT anti jewish & definitely NOT pro Aryan at all. Keep going. And fuck all the way off away out of the pro Aryan realm.
At least 95% of you christ rats are only in the anti jewish/pro Aryan realm just to stir up shit & make sure it never goes back to being mainstream. You are traitors & proud cowards to the core & you need to fuck off. Think of being with your precious jew, not in this life though. Swallow that pill if that’s what you really believe. You shouldnt even care about things like race if you believe that jew garbage. Most of you dont really believe that trash but you’ll never admit it because you are in fact the worst sort of cowards imaginable. You try to flip the words & make cowardice into courage & vice versa. Pure garbage.
Pardon?
People die for false beliefs all the time (a ‘lie’ is not the only possibility), like the bizarre Heaven’s Gate cult, which must be true according to your argument. Muslim suicide bombers too – must have true beliefs according to your argument there. Suicidal school shooters – true believers you say. Russian soldiers and Ukrainian soldiers die for their country – do you think they are all both in the right ?
Anyway – the disciples are just part of the story, their later ‘tales’ of martyrdom are not history, they’re merely characters from religious literature, just like Jesus. Sure, a person called Peter existed, so too a James, and others – but they are not related to the NT characters later given their names.
Consider the Epistle of James, allegedly written by Jesus’ brother – there is not slightest sign therein that James new Jesus was a historical person, let alone his brother. He only mentions the word Jesus as few times as a god-name.
Not one of the NT books was written by anyone who ever met a historical Jesus – e.g. the key source for the Life of Jesus, G.Mark, may at best have been written by the secretary of Peter in Rome – who never even met Jesus. Nor Luke. The Gospels tell completely different stories, with G.John being very different – e.g. no Last Supper, and Jesus crucified on a different day even. Scholarship considers all the NT books to be of essentially unknown origins.
Amazingly the entire NT contains only ONE single claim to have personally met Jesus – the magical appearance of Jesus and other saints in 2 Peter – the latest and most obvious forgery in the whole NT.
All the stories of Jesus can be seen as echoes of tales from the Jewish scriptures of characters like Moses, Elijah, and Elisha – if they did it, then Jesus did it too, but better.
In other words, even the actual NT documents themselves contain NO evidence for Jesus being a historical person. What they DO contain is a vast amount of evidence for Jesus being a god-man myth of religious literature and fervent belief.
I know who yours is; Jim Henson.
Bearing in mind, both the sanctity of faith/ belief/ credulity, over reason and truth. The latter does present avenues of historical investigation, accompanied by massive (sanctified) dollops of faith-ism.
I would contend that the current parlous state of religious devotion is due to both lack of faith/ credulity/ interest etc, coupled with a paucity of historical research- especially that not based on the mountainous- concrete, truths of our glorious Mau.
For instance: Who, but a capitalist-scum-racialist, could possibly retain the belief that Jesus was either a Jew or a Palestinian, when a Mountain of evidence proves conclusively, that Comrade Jeeza..se, was in truth Chinese and trans.
Well said. And yes, Dalton is pretty much preaching to the choir in his diatribes against Jesus, Paul, and Christianity. There are few Christians who read TOO and TUR, so I’m sure his claims sound persuasive to those who have no working knowledge of these matters.
Periodically, I try to comment on the silly things Dalton says to provide the reader with at least another perspective, including some resources that may help them in debunking the kinds of things his articles espouse.
It is obvious that you are one of them, but it is unclear what a (((circumcised))) Albanian Muslim goat banging narco-trafficker, who belongs to a group that is not yet civilized, is looking for here among civilized Christians?
You fucking sectarians of fucking totalitarian religions helped build a NWO. And yes, you will be exterminated for it. There will remain a bunch of the best kikes whom you helped to get important technologies, including skillful robogolems and immortality in a synthetic body. You should have read at least the ending of the Apocalypse, it’s written there in plain text, you fucking zombies.
Deny it ? Why? Who?
Just another religious story from long ago and far away, in a gullible time which believed all sorts of religious nonsense, and accepted others’ religious beliefs – why on earth would anyone deny it ?
No-one denied Adam and Eve, or Isis and Osiris, or Hercules, or Aesculapius, or Zeus or Ares or Apollo or Atlas or Charon or Poseidon…
There WAS no denial in those days.
But Jesus and the Gospels were certainly attacked by critics –
Such as Basilides and others who called Jesus a phantasm or illusion.
Or Celsus who called the Gospels fiction based on myths.
Even Emperor Julian called it a fiction of men composed by wickedness.
Critics certainly didn’t just accept all Christians claims.
I don’t think you read correctly; I wrote that there is only one TRUE God.
There are plenty of supernatural beings, there is probably reason to the legends of Zeus, Hermes, Apollo, Shiva, Kali, and all of the rest, but they were all CREATED by the one and only TRUE God, as were we.
It is regrettable that TOO let itself become a stinking cesspool of anti-Christianity.
Mary Livingstone… Jack Benny’s wife in real life, his girl friend on his TV and radio shows.
polaco: “Phlegon of Tralles mentions a 3 hour solar eclipse and a simultaneous earthquake during the reign of Tiberius”
Interesting, thanks. I guess the zombies weren’t noteworthy enough for him to put them in his history. LOL
However, according to what I’ve read, he says the earthquake was in Bithynia, which is in modern-day Turkey. This doesn’t fit with the Gospel accounts, which have Jesus being crucified in present-day Israel, about 700 miles away. Also, he says the “eclipse” occurred during full moon, which is impossible, since a solar eclipse can only occur during a new moon. He doesn’t say it lasted 3 hours (ordinarily a solar eclipse only lasts a few minutes), nor does he mention Jesus.
Aside from those little problems, it’s good evidence!
KRST is definitely a very old word, since the Serbian language is the oldest language in Europe, from which other Slavic languages arose and which influenced other European languages. I don’t know where you get that the Aramaic, spoken by Jesus (if he existed!?), is fictional nonsense. At the time of Constantine, today’s Greece was part of the province of Illyricum. According to tradition, Christ was crucified on a special type of cross in the shape of the letter X, which is therefore adopted on the Scottish flag. Until Constantine, the symbol of Christianity were two fishes, and after him it became a cross.
The cross is present (along with the swastika) in the Vinča script (as a ‘letter’), which is the oldest script in the world, as well as the cross with 4 Cs (lunar phases), which has been part of the coat of arms of Serbs ever since. The first Christian diocese was formed in the Roman capital Sirmium (40 km from Belgrade) in AD 34. by St Peter’s brother James and Andronic was appointed as the first archbishop. Peter and Paul first stayed in today’s Serbia where they hid from Nero before going to Rome.
The fact is that the Serbian-Roman emperors, starting with the emperor Probus and ending with Diocletian (who executed St. George), systematically persecuted the Christians (for about 50 years), but the latter Serbian-Roman emperors (Galerius, Licinius, Constantine) issued edicts on tolerance and legalized Christianity while Justinian built the largest church in Constantinople.
The famous Testamonium Flavianum is NOT contemporary, but from over half a century later.
It has serious issues – e.g. calling Jesus the ‘Christ’ which is just impossible for this Jewish writer whose book was about how Christs (Messiahs) kept leading Jews astray. Early church fathers read Tacitus but didn’t notice it. Origen noted that Josephus did NOT call Jesus ‘Christ’. All supporting the view that Eusebius inserted it.
Now many apologists admit it’s been tampered with, but try to recover some ‘true’ original – such is the quality of this evidence for Jesus.
All the alleged evidence for the historical Jesus is just like that – doesn’t stand up to scrutiny, like Tacitus, Suetonius, Pliny, Phlegon, Thallus, Mara bar Serapion etc.
But endlessly cited by faithful believers.
Well said. I’m disappointed by many other commenters. I would guess they haven’t read the Bible, are lacking discernment, and certainly are not filled with the Holy Spirit. Getting right with God is the most important thing we can do in this satanic realm. Christ predicted everything that’s occurring and pinned the blame on the Synagogue of Satan. He shared that Jews (Pharisee, Sadducees) are children of the devil and thus cannot hear His word and are not of the truth. Jesus Christ has been the culmination of my truth journey. I’m less concerned about every satanic thing that’s being done to us everyday. It’s a spiritual battle. If you’re not on God’s side you’re on the other, regardless of how much you despise what that side is doing to humanity.
Did Jesus ever lived? – There is no way to know.
But even if he did, was he a Jew? – this question is meaningless because the contemporary Jewry has no relationship to the people who lived in Judea at that time.
As far as the modern day Jews are concerned, they have nothing to do with religion.
Perhaps, Karl Marx might have a good idea who the Jews really are:
I strongly disagree. It seems you measure Christianity according to man-made religions. Those of us who follow the words of Christ are not susceptible to the lies and see through the agendas. If you have read Christ’s words, what do you disagree with?
Positing a creator to account for everything just adds complexity, hence fails as an explanation. I know that the idea is alluring to a great many people, for whatever reason.
Wow, you Thomas Dalton are… a bit of an ignorant, a bit of a biased antichristian bigot…
For a start, Jesus was NOT a jew, but a judean from t he tribe of Dan!!! Ancient israelites weren’t called ‘jews’, but either israelites or according to the tribe each belonged to!!!
Then you say the ‘high likelihood that such man didn’t exist’… lol, holy ignorance!
Mate, you don’t know that several people at the time wrote about Jesus, not just His apostles… the romans wrote about Him, the greeks wrote about Him, the apostate pharisaic jews wrote about Him and other pagans wrote about Him!!! Intelligent sensible atheists have long quit that ‘Jesus didn’t exist’ attitude, because the evidence for His existence is legion!!!
Do you ever heard about the existence of ORAL TRADITION??? Then you should research and read the works of the disciples of the apostles, the disciples of the disciples of the apostles and so on… and you’ll find what Jesus said and done that is not recorded in the bible… plus the your questioned miracles!!! And in case you don’t know, the history of the Catholic Church [yes, the Catholic Church is the true christian church, the only that survived 2023 years] is filled with miracles that were recorded… miracles even happen to this very day.
I’m not even going to comment on the rest of your article because it’s simple too idiotic and stupid, showing a gigantic degree of ignorance!!! Not worth saying anything about the last 2/3 of your article.
I just would love to know the real motivation that made you write such a gibberish stuff!!!
You know, I don’t believe in aliens nor that the earth is flat, therefore I don’t obsess about them or even less write articles about them!!!
Wow, and most people adding comments are no better than you!!!
“Just for starters?”
That’s it? That’s all? It’s going to take more than THAT paragraph soooo you better get writing if you’re going to lead the way to wiser & healthier moral pastures.
Hoax ? What hoax ?
Paul had a religious vision as others had, and he, and they, seem to have really believed those visions.
Later someone wrote a religious story, and others believed that story.
Later the growing church said you had to believe the story. Legends grew of believers who died rather than deny Jesus, which apparently proves Jesus is true – halelujah !
(Funny though, it doesn’t work the other way round – when non-believers die rather than accept Jesus, that is not evidence that Jesus is untrue.)
So there was no hoax – just people believing religious stories as they have for time immemorial. Nor were there any disciples, they’re just part of that religious story.
Sure, later Christians may have died rather than reject Jesus, just as pagans may have died rather than accept Jesus, or died rather than reject Zeus, or Osiris, or Aesculapius, or Buddha, or Mohamed. So what ?
Apologists often insist it can’t have been a hoax, a lie, a fraud – as if there are two possibilities :
1) a hoax, a lie, a deliberate fraud upon innocent believers
2) true history
But of course the disciples were good and true and would never have stooped to a hoax or fraud or lie. Therefore it was all true ! Hallelujah !
Is the Garden of Eden story true history? Or is it a hoax ?
I’m out of button points – but I Agree.
Professor Ehrmann began a personal faith relationship with Jesus Christ as a teenager, then spent years as an evangelical believer.
Then followed that with a long successful career writing about (a historical) Jesus.
He later started calling himself an agnostic-atheist, now he is often just called an atheist, as if that bolsters his credibility somehow.
So what ?
He has never stopped believing in (a historical) Jesus – he has believed in Jesus for his entire adult life.
In fact his whole career depends on a historical Jesus, so too his income, his reputation, his books, his position, and his social circle.
For Professor Ehrman to admit Jesus wasn’t historical now would destroy all that, his life’s work wasted.
He is the 2nd last person on earth who would ever admit Jesus was not historical – after the Pope.
Correct Sir.And Dalton knows all this but being a hasbara agent his duty is to fool Whites by talking about “facts”concocted in the smelliest,most infected gathering of Satanist Jews and their White women admirers and homo hangers on.Christ Jesus is real,He fought the Satanic forces in the Holy Land and was murdered.The Holy Land was mostly Christian and White not long after his death and resurrection.Those people either left or were later forced out by the Mohammedans aka the Jews secret best buddies.Dalton is a deceiver and liar and I urge all here to reject his defamation and blasphemy of our Lord.God is everything.Jesus is real and risen.Those who deny or reject(like Dalton who knows Jesus is Lord)will have earned their place in eternal Hell.I see many IDF/FEDS posting here today and their goal is to separate the White race from their Father.
Second Peter states that earth will be destoyed by fire —
What you described has nothing inherently to do with organized religion.
Someone can experience what you suggest at a later age but, there is no specific need to join a human-organized religion where often much manipulation or corruption resides.
As a by-the-way, the “I feel sorry for you” stuff is arrogant, self-important and elitist. Not to mention: sad. It seems you haven’t learned your church lessons very well. Funny, that. But, not surprising.
Thomas Dalton you are of Hell and of the Devil.You mock our Lord Jesus and blaspheme His name.You are an agent of those you claim to oppose and you fool no one.Only Feds write and say the things you do.You hope to confuse the young or ill-informed with your filthy lies.You know God is real and you purposely try to lead others from Him.You will burn in eternal Hell and despite your smug front you know you will.I rebuke you in the precious name of Jesus and as you are an enemy of the Cross you are beyond redemption.I urge all here to love the Lord who is everything,and to accept His Son Jesus who gave His life so that we may live forever.The only way to the Father is through the Son.We must also have faith in the Gospels and never waiver.Vile filth like Dalton are weak and lonely and grasping.They have made a pact with the Devil because they are stupid and weak.Do not follow them into Hell.This is not a joke,it is your very lives.Dalton mocks and pretends to know things which his tiny mind could never grasp.He speaks in absolutes but knows so little.On the slim chance that he is not a Satanic hasbara agent then he is just a very small and stupid and lost person.Do not lower yourselves to follow him.
Ravage doesn’t actually say that the grapes are sour, but in the quoted statement he certainly skirts the Aesopian edge as he bluffly pretends that defeat is victory.
It is useful to recall that Ravage was writing at a time when the Johnson-Reed Act had dealt the Jewish goal of mongrelizing the United States a blow that it took the Jews forty years to reverse. Along with others of his Tribe, Ravage was trying to regain narrative control through corruptive manipulation of widely available information—in short, hasbara. Although Dalton is not a Jew, he is plainly not averse to lending hasbara peddlers a helping hand.
Indeed it does.
From a couple centuries after the time of Jesus the Talmud collects a mish-mash of stories apparently about Jesus.
Such as Jesus having 5 disciples (Matthai, Naqqai, Netzer, Buni, and Todah); practiced magic and idolatry; being stoned to death in Lydda (Lud); smuggling magic writings from Egypt in a cut in his flesh; being the bastard son of Roman Pantera; boiling in hell in a vat of excrement.
Is that really testament to the historical Gospel Jesus ?
That’s right. There is no Christian Zionism in Eastern Oethodoxy, because it’ s based on revelation, not guessings based on reason alone.
Well said Sir.Dalton is a punk and less than nothing.His job is to pretend to be pro-White and all that goes with it.He is an agent of the Satanic Jews and his duty is to turn the Whites they so hate(we are the image of our Lord)against their Father and His Son our Savior.You make great points and are well versed.God gives us all that connection to Him and we must only seek His love to know it is true.The Satanic Jews use the tactic of overloading with random info and many lies.If a man is alone and not brainwashed by the media and schools and the many distractions then he finds that he can talk with the Father and know Him to be everything.Like the song In the Garden.Satan and his children the Jews create a world of noise so we cannot THINK.I urge everyone to turn of all noise makers and just talk to the Father.Let Him know you love Him and thank Him for all the blessings in your life that you don’t deserve.God will protect us always and never leave us.Just ask Him.And I end my thought by again rebuking Dalton in the precious name of our Savior Jesus.May he choke on his vile blasphemies of our Lord God and His Son Jesus.Thank you RockaBoatus for defending our Lord,and feel good knowing you have done this for someone who has always defended you.God bless you.
It boggles my mind that people can be so heavily invested in events and people of over 2000 years ago. Aware of it and them, yes. But, the degree of mental and time investment in all that is staggering.
Plenty of them are only faintly dialed-in to the reality of THIS era, the one they are living their lives in! I call it: brain capture. Most weren’t given an objective option to choose their own religious beliefs – their parents gave them no choice and discussions otherwise were not permitted. Some people would call that bullying or authoritarianism, etc.
I’ll never forget a short conversation I had some years back with a 43 year old guy who was raised in a strident Christian family. I could see the angst on his face as he said, “I mean, I’m the father of a 3 year old so, I know what hard is. But, that has been nothing compared to the intense, prolonged effort needed to reclaim my own brain.” As he shook his head, recalling that trauma.
I feel very fortunate to not have been saddled with all of that.
You must be joking. Catholics were a sect which separated from the mother church.
King Edward died on Jan 5, 1066. One year and one day after his death, on Jan 6, 1067, the Roman Catholic William the Conqueror was crowned king of England in Westminster Abbey. Then began a terrible campaign of pillage and bloodshed by the Conqueror against the English people, which culminated in the pseudo-council of Winchester in 1070, when papal legates deposed the Orthodox Archbishop Stigand, who had refused to crown William, and placed the Roman Catholic Lanfranc in his place. On Oct 15, 1072, the last English Orthodox bishop, Ethelric of Durham, after anathematizing the Pope, died in prison at Westminster, and the grace of the priesthood left the English land, in accordance with King Edward’s prophecy.
I also wonder sometimes what I am doing following this site. Such rabid materialism, worse than Marx or Dawkins.
Phlegon wrote during the 140s – his works are lost.
Much later, Origen, Eusebius, and Julianus Africanus (as quoted by George Syncellus) refer to him, but quote differently his reference to an eclipse.
There is no evidence Phlegon actually said anything about Gospel events, he was simply talking about an eclipse (they DO happen) which later Christians argued was the “darkness” in their stories.
Phlegon is no evidence for Jesus at all – just more evidence for Christian wishful thinking.
And just in case Thallus pops up –
We have no certain evidence when Thallus lived or wrote, there are none of Thallus’ works extant.
What we DO have is a 9th century reference by George Syncellus who quotes the 3rd century Julianus Africanus, who, speaking of the darkness at the crucifixion, wrote: “Thallus calls this darkness an eclipse“.
But, there is NO evidence Thallus made specific reference to Jesus or the Gospel events at all, as there was an eclipse in 29. This suggests he merely referred to a known eclipse, but that later Christians mis-interpreted his comment to mean their darkness.
That’s how desperate apologists are to scrape up evidence for the alleged historical Jesus. None of it stands up to scrutiny.
‘Iewe’ is just another version of ‘Jew’. Jesus was neither.
Iewes (Jews, Giws, Gius Iuw’, etc.) are followers of the Talmud, which is the written commentary and continuation of Deuteronomy (‘second law’) which was the first attempt at codifying and formalizing what the returning, exiled, Babylonian, ‘elite’ Hebrews (Ezra et. al.) claimed was the oral tradition passed to their forbears by (the fictitious) Moses, concurrent with the written law he brought to the masses (am ha’aretz). The fraudulent notion of this secret ‘oral tradition’ was used for centuries by the ‘elite’ to contain and control the am ha’aretz (commoner) Hebrews (Hebrews were not ‘Jews’).
The mantle of the ‘elite’ was eventually passed to the Pharisees, who continued to exploit their people through the enforcement of this ‘oral law’. It is no secret what Jesus thought of the Pharisees and their practices. Since Jesus was no advocate of their ‘oral law’, it is obscene to categorize him as one of the Jews, who post-dated Jesus by ~1500 years and whose beliefs are based on the Talmud, the origins of which (i.e., the Pharisees and their ‘elite’ forbears) he condemned.
Firstly, if Christianity (especially Catholicism) is a Jewish psychological operation against the goyim then why do the Jews hate it so much?
Secondly, Christianity is dead in Europe and the continent is going down the tubes. Using Dr Dalton’s logic shouldn’t Europe be thriving now that its gone into post-Christian (neo-paganistic) mode?
To you the cross may be foolishness, but us who known, it is the wisdom of God. He or she that is without sin, please, do cast the first stone. My name is humility and ❤️
Oh, I’m ok. I was just expressing the futility of existence if there is nothing else. However, as crazy as it sounds I’ve experienced “supernatural” experiences so I know there is something beyond. What that is exactly I can’t say.
Thanks for the reference to Beke’s short tome, but it is only a Goodreads unreferenced “book description.” The “All and Everything” “magnum opus” of Gurdjieff referred to in the description is actually a three-part series comprised of “Beelzebub’s Tales to his Grandson” (itself a three-book series that is over 1200 pages long in the version I possess), “Meetings With Remarkable Men” (of which I have only seen the movie), and “Life is Real Only Then, When I Am” (with which I am unfamiliar).
In Book Two of “Beelzebub’s Tales to His Grandson,” the ancient Greeks are not held in high esteem–“The Greeks were the cause why the Reasons of the three-brained beings there began gradually to degenerate and ultimately became so degenerate that among contemporary beings it is already as our dear Mulla Nassr Eddin says, “‘a-real-mill-for-nonsense.”
The Beelzebub’s Tales are written from the viewpoint of a fictional extraterrestrial traveller’s various visits to Earth, in which Gurdjieff embeds elements of his “system,” often with scathing sarcasm of human endeavors. I’d recommend Ouspensky’s “The Fourth Way” and/or “In Search of the Miraculous” in order to appreciate “Beezlebub’s Tales to His Grandson.”
I am happy to see you.
For sure there are many ‘littlered(i)diots’ who would ‘resonate’ with the doves farts.
h… I forgot to mention the other thing: Ye[ho]shua (Joshua) means “saviour”.
So yeah… there was some guy whose name was “Saviour The Anointed“.
No pressure with a name like that in a retarded shithole surrounded by primitive asshats who believe in demonic possession.
For laughs (since this is my least-secure pseudonym, and I might well be lying): my meat-name derives from words that mean “A Gift from God | He Shall Add | An Unexpected Message”
Anyone who takes that seriously is in for the shock of their fucking lives – coz they’re not going to like the “message”.
Obviously “He Shall Add” is Yusuf, or one of it its cognates. That’s what I put in the ‘PreferredName’ field that every D-tier “FirstName, LastName” piece of software has ignored since software took over our lives.
RANT ALERT.
I was “PreferredName” as a child; through school; in the Army; as a ‘contractor’; when I was a government stooge. Right up until 1992, when I just got sick of hearing “FirstName? FirstName LastName?”. I thought “Fuck it. I’ll answer to FirstName“. I’m still “PreferredName” to my family and school chums.
However in mid-2020 I decided that the bureaucracy was going overboard, and expected me to apprise myself of ad hoc senseless changes in their T&C – including thinking it had the right to order me to install badly-written spyware on my devices (COVID “Contact Tracing” apps).
In response, I changed my T&C to make very clear that I will never open envelopes addressed to FirstName LastName – and if the envelope is addressed to FirstName PreferredName LastName but starts with “Dear FirstName“, I chuck it in the bin without even reading past the comma.
The T&C are readily available: any bureaucrat could find them on the internet in an unencrypted, permissionless, web-facing repository. (Note to self: maybe put them on GitHub).
So they’re identical to the T&C for software, devices, utilities etc: it’s not like I invented the T&C scam. If they can’t be arsed finding out what the T&C are and continuing to comply with them, that’s on them. I’m not reading stuff that’s addressed to my grandfather, who has been dead since 1982 and never set foot in Australia.
Here’s how Thomas Dalton concludes his meditation upon the need for Christians to trash their beliefs:
“Given the total lack of corroborating evidence, we can say with certainty that that the miracle-man Jesus did not exist; therefore, Christianity is a farce and the Gospels are at least half fiction. . . Finally, in the case that there was no Jesus character at all, then Paul and the Gospel Jews are flat-out liars and need to be viewed with total contempt (_Jesus the Jew_, Thomas Dalton, May 22, 2023).”
Given the overwhelming evidence that we have entered the terminal stagess of a fictive world (which ‘evolved’ from lifeless, self-designing matter), he might want to consider the future:
“But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat (2 Peter 3:10-12).”
Huh, the Fat Lady Brünhilde didn’t sing her last song! The Opéra comique is not over.
Jesus was Aryan, Jesus is Aryan, Jesus is white, bright and light, Jesus is alive and well and well of truth and more so well of love; he meets people time and again. He is all knowing and thus truth, he is omnipresent, he is love (as the ultimate and pure state of soul).
Yahweh, oh-vey, the Jewish mantra, presents itself in their book of lust-greed-anger-attachment-ego (Bible, OT) as a god who led his Israelites to genocide (1Samuel 15:3), to fratricide (Exodus 32:27-28), to canibalism (Leviticus 26:29), to robbery and theft (Exodus 3: 22), to slavery (Leviticus 25:44-46), to discrimination against women, to contempt for children (Leviticus 27:2-8), to greed for money and avarice (Exodus 25:3, 33:5), and to cruelty to animals (Exodus 29:36). Yahweh is a jealous God (Exodus 20:5) who hates not only all nations but even his own Jews (Exodus 33:20). Jahweh threatens his Jews with extermination if they turn to the gods of the Aryans (Deuteronomy 6:15).
Such a ruler cannot be the God of the eternal good of creation. That is why Jesus Christ also calls him Satan, the antagonist of the Good. And the followers of Yahweh Jesus calls “the children of the devil” (John 8:43).
Yahweh and the Pharisees know that the Aryan devine is beyond their Yahweh cult, which is why Yahweh can only keep his breed in line with threats of extermination. Yahweh’s laws for Judaism clearly state that the deity of the Aryans does exist (Genesis 3:22, Deuteronomy 6:14, 32:12). It is true that in these passages “the Aryan gods” are not explicitly mentioned by name, but from the fear alone of the glaring appearance of the swastika for them it can be concluded that Yahweh’s hatred is for the Aryan devinity. Therefore he threatens his Jews again and again “not to serve foreign gods”.
The Aryan religiousness creates the good, the beautiful and the spiritually eternal. They preserve their own creation – man and animal alike. That is why Oh-vey fights nature – natural habitats with natural boundaries and natural inhabitants. Yahweh feasts on the blood of cruelly slaughtered animals and threatens all Jews with extermination if they try to find out who he really is. (Genesis 2:16-17).
Dispite the horrible hatred shown to Jesus by leading Jews, in spite of an infiltrated church organization whose leaders put on Jewish caps and try to reinterpret Jesus as a son of Yahweh, Jesus Christ is more alive over two millennia than at the time of his fight against the armies of Yahweh, because he is no longer bound to a physical body.
That the Unholy See was hijacked by “the children of the devil” can be seen by anyone who studies and compares the Old Testament and the Gospels.
The mantra „Jesus was a Jew“, serves the Jews’ one purpose to be worshipped by Christians as “God’s people”.
the book says there will be many antichrists and its true..just read comments
For a Christian killing is a sin and suicide the biggest sin of all sins, even bigger than killing the other.
Hitler was a stench Rome-Catholic; when he realised that he had been fooled and trapped he escaped. Hitler slipped out and lived out his God given life. “Hitler’s suicide” fits to your Jesus Jew prop ups.
You are not interested in truth (and love). You are interested in power and dominance.
The 🦣 in the room for the Christ-deniers is the Shroud of Turin. It disproves the hyperbolic denialism and tomfoolery of the above article.
Let us remember Him who redeems the fallen human race by His blood, teaches us by His Gospel, nourishes us by His body and blood in the Church, and offers eternal life to the repentant.
Christ is Risen!
Indeed He is Risen!
My post was exactly meant to winnow out the chaff.
Thank you showing what you are made off.
Brilliant Kumbaresu!
I had no idea such s perfect assessment of the Khazarian and the reality in which he is the central initiator existed
Good God! I love this thread! I would love to spend the day with it right here but I got to go do real work.
I thought I was the only one..or one of a few who saw this all over like the space covered here. Look at how many people see the Khazarian broadly, and the gods too..all of then. That’s sweet! There is hope! We may save the heavens yet, stave off the ‘fiyah’ and set up humanity for something cool, indefinite, prosperous and happy het.
I’m intrigued. Do you mean you wouldn’t know how to begin describing it, or do you mean you’re “not allowed” to say what it is?
… while the other Jews in his retinue support him.
The bad guys are Jews, the good guys are Jews, the God is a Jew, the main characters are Jews, the supporting cast are Jews. Think about it. As hard as you can.
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As an Anglican atheist from teenage years (confirmed at 14 by the Archbishop’s laying on of hands and winner of the Chapel Reading Prize) I have no emotions at stake . I have heard Bart Ehrman on several videos and admirable scholarly outcome of his intellectual struggles. I find it easy to believe that Jesus’ was a Messianic prophet in a recognised tradition who gradually morphed through word of mouth after his death into e.g. the Son of God which ne never claimed to be. Fascinating stuff most of which I don’t remember accurately enough to quote in this Comment.
PS I haven’t read the article yet nd only decided to give it a second chance by returning to see whether, yet, Bart Ehrman had been mentionedned at all on the thread.
I skimmed RP’s book, thought might buy depending on interview.
But well-fed RP’s (and yours) ramblings about atheist Bible studies, Chaos Magick, HP Lovecraft, wherein he is an “Eldritch Mage”, convinced me not to do so. Perhaps you will not be surprised that phrases like “dilettante” occurred. And worse.
Your interview of this American Bible Professor was however valuable.
Both of you added considerably to a well stocked evidence folder that USA is already far too depraved to survive. Unless widespread change.
Depravity (with arrogant hubris) is the major marker imho, not so much the $T32, lack of education, corruption etc.
Evidenced by enthusiastic murderous service for satan. Iraq, Libya etc recently.
Though with China and Russia, that is now ending.
A Christian lady met over 25 years ago in USA told me that her country would collapse because of that factor, but that Americans were deceived.
She was right.
On being deceived —
Paul of Tarsus to the Galatians —
“Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.”
And to those at Corinth —
“Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. ”
You only believe Paul had visions because he told you he had visions. He also told you:
Thus can we infer that “Christ’s law” is perfectly compatible with misrepresenting oneself. Paul’s chicanery is the seed of the “pious fraud” that Christians still carry in their hearts, the final bulwark against rational history, the idea that as long as something is good, it doesn’t matter if it’s actually true.
Furthermore the “visions” are only half of Paul’s described revelation, and would be irrelevant without the accompanying fulfillment of Jewish prophecies. Paul has a clearly stated literary agenda: to argue that the Messiah came and went already. Are you prepared to argue that Paul had a vision that fulfilled the Jewish prophecies? Or maybe fulfilling the prophecies was his goal, and the tale of a vision was his means.
Finally consider the purported consequences of Paul’s preaching, which is material support for Jerusalem from the Gentiles. He repeatedly makes remarks about bringing or sending donations to Jerusalem. He is also an inveterate beggar himself. He doesn’t just want support from Gentiles. He needs it.
So considering that Paul has defined a monetary interest as well as a literary interest in his new religion, both of which benefit Jews in Jerusalem, while boasting that he plays confidence tricks on his audience in order to win them over, why would you suppose that his “visions” are anything more than a LIE? Would you put a piece of silver in his bowl?
“meat-name”? Is that what Autofill [which tried to be Autodial] did to “metonym”?
If so I wonder who regularly talks of meat-names.
The question of the historical Jesus, and of the Jewish Jesus, is a very interesting one. If we assume that Jesus of Nazareth is a myth, we then have to ask on what was the myth based? The usual answer is the author’s, that the Jesus character was based on a rabbi or something. This fails to account, however, for the rapid spread and universal popularity of the myth. It also leaves out that many if not most elements of the myth have no precedent in the Jewish tradition, but a great deal of precedent in the Indo-Aryan tradition.
One of the more interesting hypotheses I’ve done across is that the basis for Jesus was none other than Julius Caesar, as described in the following essays.
An introduction to the life and character of Caesar:
https://barsoom.substack.com/p/the-gospel-of-mark-antony-1-the-jesus
The many parallels between the lives, characteristics, dramatis personae, deaths, and worship of Jesus and Divus Julius:
https://barsoom.substack.com/p/the-gospel-of-mark-antony-2-parallel
An overview of the historical context and events that may have led to the infusion of the Caesar cult into 1st century Messianic Judaism, and the subsequent mutation of the Caesar cult into Christianity (eg Mark as satire on the failed Zealots, Paul as Jewish reformer, the role played by the Flavians):
https://barsoom.substack.com/p/the-gospel-of-mark-antony-2-parallel
And some reflections on how this understanding of Christianity’s origins could be used to renew the failed check church:
https://barsoom.substack.com/p/the-gospel-of-mark-antony-4-anastasis
Christ advises you to quickly agree with your adversary. So why are you disagreeing? To disagree with your adversary is to disagree with Christ.
“Do not resist an evil person”. -Jesus
Everyone in Romeo and Juliet is a Veronan, and an Italian and either a Montagu or Capulet. The story was written in English by a man who never vestiges Italy.
“There is only one TRUE god.”
Says who?
On what evidence?
This dumb author thinks the gospels are a lie because there is some variation in the description of events. What a clown!? Find me two people that ever describe the same event the same way. Heck, find me two people that describe the colour of a garment or vehicle the same. I dare ya! If all the events in the Bible were described the same by all parties it would likely point to a fabricated story. The fact that variation exists leans more likely to the truth.
This clown thinks he’s a doctor? Doctor of what? Medicine? If it’s not medicine that title is a lie. A written inaccuracy. I am sick of tired of Ph.D’s pretending they are real doctors. Write your name followed by Ph.D if you must flout your education you small scared K – Ph.D’s.
Ok. Well, I still don’t really care about him or his articles, whoever he is.
I’d like to know why so many Jews were depicted as possessed by Demons at the time. Must have wrang true to the readers of Mark at least. The number of Exorcisms was stunning.
Also at the time of the spread of Christianity, Apuleus’s book The Golden Ass was a widely read story. and books like it were very popular as a form of literature.
>he says the earthquake was in Bithynia, which is in modern-day Turkey. This doesn’t fit with the Gospel accounts, which have Jesus being crucified in present-day Israel, about 700 miles away. Also, he says the “eclipse” occurred during full moon, which is impossible, since a solar eclipse can only occur during a new moon. He doesn’t say it lasted 3 hours (ordinarily a solar eclipse only lasts a few minutes), nor does he mention Jesus.
He wasn’t alive at the time, but mentions an eclipse accompanied by an earthquake during the reign of Tiberius. It’s only noteworthy that a major event, similar to that from the Gospels, was described, and there always are differing and sometimes conflicting descriptions of the same historical occurrence, even eyewitnesses to a crime often disagree in their testimonies. An internet nickname Dr. wouldn’t know, of course.
What his sources were, whether he got the exact location right, and what the larger affected area was is unknown. But the Gospels don’t mention any eclipse, just that the sky was darkened. He did not mention a full moon, but the feast of Passover, ahead of which Jesus was crucified, is celebrated during this lunar phase.
“Rising from the dead of course is a supernatural belief …”
Didn’t Marcion teach that Jesus was not Crucified but Simon of Cyrene took his place?
It’s standard Catholic belief, one of the “Stations of the Cross,” that Simon of Cyrene aided Jesus in carrying the cross.
Pray the Rosary.
May is the month of Mary our Mother.
*A minor point…..
check out the writings of JOSEPHUS…
a contemporary jewish historian born shortly after “Jesus” was crucified.
Ehrman’s talks are the source for my comment, above, that Saul introduced the concept of man’s inherent guilt/sin, and absolute necessity of a blood sacrifice, to achieve “salvation” from sin.
Ehrman is emphatic: this notion of inherent guilt*** and need for salvation were totally alien to Pagan Roman peasants, but we’re firmly embedded in Saul’s apocalyptic, pharasaic, essentially Hebrew scripture-based world view.
Ehrman explains that Saul (Paul), who never encountered Jesus (Saul lived some years after the supposed death of Jesus), created and preached-propogated a version of Christianity that was distinctly different from Jesus’ own teachings.
*** Saul based “inherent guilt” on Genesis story of Adam & Eve in the Garden of Eden.
That is, Hebrew OT was an essential pillar of Paul’s Christianity.
Which makes Christianity a Jewish project, just as Dalton says, and as the record of its historical evolution confirms.
Anti-Christians are the only desperate ones, they can’t stand Christians don’t give a damn about them. Jesus was not a politician, an usurper, or a military leader. Who cares what the creators of biased and fake news throughout history wrote about him or not, though Jews saw the need to disparage him in the Talmud in their trademark, filthy way, as a real man, not a myth.
Desperate ‘science’ people maintain that with the progress of time a primitive cell will evolve into a human, while to the thinking person it looks like anything living, if it happens to survive, will be annihilated, and ground to dust, with a 100% probability- the more time has passed. Even one cycle, from some primordial (where could it come from?) cell to the next ‘higher’ form, would not complete, everything out there, save for God, is working against it to destroy and kill.
Completely agree.
The history of the “Celtic Church” (before Norse/Germanic invasions) is interesting, not least the seamless move from Druidism to Christianity.
Rome was just one of the 5 Patriarchies, which split off, arrogated itself to the “One Holy Catholic Church”, even made armed war on Byzantine Christians.
Although there are many well-meaning “Catholics”, it has been calculated that RCC has killed more Christians than any other persecution, except Jews.
After various warlike moves, including setting up the falsely named Holy Roman Empire (Carolus Magnus), the Great Schism became official in 1054.
Leading to today’s RCC being just a sub-office of Mr Rothschild.
https://orthodoxwiki.org/Great_Schism
That’s not very forgiving…
I was hoping someone would bring up the Shroud of Turin…
Thank you!! ❤️
Having been converted to the Christian faith at 18 yoa, I can say I feel the opposite. It has brought me peace, confidence, and strength. Through all my difficulties. And heaven awaits me after all this.
I casually to refer to Paul as “Saul” when speaking to Christians. Just a check on who really knows the score.
Christianity is a religion for slaves: obey, don’t rebel but love your enemies, belive without question in self-proclaimed authorities (priests) even if this is against common sense.
Remove Christianity and you remove sick philosophy of slavery.
Additionally, remove Christianity and you remove Jewish influences in western world.
The situation will become similar to situation in China or India (Bharat) where Jews have minimal impact on society because there is no Jewish-based Christianity.
As a Muslim, I say, fuck “Muslim science.”
You pagan godless scum focus too much on human accomplishments. There is something called basic logic. Even an idiot should be able to comprehend basic logic. Otherwise you become an ape. Are you an ape?
The reason why Islam will prevail over all your pagan shit (Dalton does a good job of highlighting that here) is because Islam is pure unbending Monotheism… God is One and the only One worthy of worship. This is the real Muslim religion, not “Muslim science.”
With such a simple logic on its side, how can Islam ever be bankrupt? In the context of Theism, it would be impossible to bankrupt Islam.
Do you godless lowlifes have at least the most minimum required IQ to understand that?
Whoa, now there’s some old-fashioned hellfire and brimstone. It makes a person chuckle.
Roy, you provide an excellent example of: brain capture. As a well as having a complete lack of humility which appears to be a common thread amongst the “Christians” I have known.
I’ll just stop there as I know that any reasoning or reality provided will make no difference.
Those references were each and all written long before or long after Jesus’s purported lifetime. Jesus was then as it is today a very common name. So the “But muh Talmud!” argument fails.
Not to mention, Paul’s writings are Plato for Dummies
Quoting the late Terry Davis
“What’s reality? I don’t know. When my bird was looking at my computer monitor I thought ‘That bird has no idea what he’s looking at.’ And yet what does the bird do? Does he panic? No, he can’t really panic, he just does the best he can. Is he able to live in a world where he’s so ignorant? Well, he doesn’t really have a choice. The bird is okay even though he doesn’t understand the world. You’re that bird looking at the monitor, and you’re thinking to yourself, I can figure this out. Maybe you have some bird ideas. Maybe that’s the best you can do.”
Many sea mammals and most birds can navigate using the magnetic poles. You and I can’t do that. Bugs see things that we don’t. Dogs smell and hear things that we don’t. You think your consciousness is something special. It’s probably a lot more limited than your ears and eyes, it’s had a lot less time to evolve.
You and I don’t know anything. Maybe God is real and maybe he isn’t. Trying to figure that out using our limited human abilities is not possible. That’s like the bird looking at the monitor, the bird is not going to start writing code. Accept your bird nature.
The clue to understanding the Book of Revelations is the “Number of the Beast.” The letters of Semitic alphabets are letter sounds but are also numbers. The Arabic “ilm al-huruf” or “science of the letters” is the same as Jewish “Gematria,” except that one is in Arabic and the other in Hebrew. By taking the mathematical sum of the letters in a word, and discovering another word with the same sum, supposedly a mystical meaning is revealed. Of course not all combinations yield sense but those that do can be presented to the mark as a mystical insight, or even “as a revelation.” For example, the mathematical sum of “Allah” is 66 and “Adam wa Hawa” or “Adam and Eve” also adds up to 66. A Gnostic can use that to peddle his stuff.
The name “Gematria” comes from Greek and it means “pseudo-geometry.” It was in Hellenist times, when Greek rationalism drained the flood of confusion, and a new world view arose. But also a modern climate of conscious, “scientific” political repression, and this gave rise to an apocryphal literature with hidden meanings like the “Book of Daniel,” and “Ezekiel,” which were anti-Seleucid propaganda composed just before 167 BC to support the growing Maccabee revolt. Conventional dogma-bound brainwashed Bible study makes the claim that Plato read Ezekiel, and borrowed from him, but it is of course the other way around; Hellenist Jews and Babylonians read Plato and put him into their political propaganda. (Judaism, since the so-called “Joshua Reforms” was a copy of Babylonian religion, down to the so-called “Hebrew writing system” using “Assyrian letters.”)
This moment of time also gave birth to the “Book of Isaiah,” which despite studiously placing itself in the period of the Assyrian invasion was also written after 200 BC. For this reason there is a tradition that “Isaiah” was “sawn in two.” (There are other figures about whom such an allusion is also made for the same cryptic reason.) Isaiah is the most interesting of them all because it was the founding document of the Baptizing Sects, of which the Essenes are a branch. These were the result of an earlier fusion between Zoroastrianism and Babylonian religion which is called Zurvanism, but a fusion rectified by Hellenist rationalism. And so we find Luke,a master rhetorician, making Jesus quote Isaiah in the Synagogue, and making Jesus quote the Iliad to Pontius Pilate, and Pontius Pilate respond by making an unspoken reference to Aristotle: “What is Truth.” All Greek educated parties knew where the answer to that lay, and that was in the axiom of the Greek Teacher, the “principle of non-contradicion.” This is why even the Parthians insisted that they were not hicks but Hellenists, and watched Greek Plays. Isaiah is also a prime component of the Koran, a Handbook of Baptizing Sect precepts translated into Arabic, and slightly, but worthily augmented by Muhammad. The word “Koran” (Arabic “iqra,” Hebrew “qerya,” means “to call” and this is what Jesus does in his sermon in the synagogue which is the repetition of the “call” made in Isaiah, from which Jesus is “reading” the way that Muhammad was “reading” the Koran, from the scroll presented by the angel Gabriel, (the Angel who made the annunciation to Mary.)
“The number of the Beast is the Roman Emperor Nero who was thus called by the cipher “666” as a part of Zealot war propaganda in the Book f Revelations 13:18. This so-called “mark of the beast,” is the most famous example of the “science of the letters.” “666” is the abjad or gematria sum (the Semitic letters are also numbers) for Nero Caesar (NRON QSR in Hebrew) and the alternative version, 616, is the same without the second N. Franz Ferdinand Benary (1805-1880), a German orientalist, explained this numeric gematria in the Zeitschrift für speculative Theologie: “Interpretation of the number 666 (χξϛ) in the Apocalypse 13:18 and the variant reading 616 (χιϛ).” For simple Christians the explanation that it was government war propaganda is not that simple.
“According to the last book in the Bible, 666 is the number, or name, of the wild beast with seven heads and ten horns that comes out of the sea (Revelation 13:1, 17-18). It’s something that has confused Christians, scared them, and is not chatted about in most circles. However, taking the time to learn more about what the Bible says can put the Mark of the Beast into perspective. The number 666 is the name of the coming antichrist” (Beliefnet). Old propaganda for the people becomes new propaganda for the people. Whatever the problems with the Book of Revelation (and these are profound) nothing is all bad, and nothing is all good. The image of the “Sign of the Beast,” of Revelations, was inspired by the Biblical aversion to censuses. This aversion comes out of the disaster described in II Samuel 24 involving David. In it God ordered David to carry out a census and then punished him catastrophically for doing it. The contradiction was finessed in I Chronicles 21:1 where the inspiration for the census is attributed to Satan, getting Yahweh out of the double bind, “the damned if you do and the damned if you don’t.” The Roman Census of Quirinius of the year 6 sparked the Galilean Zealot Revolt that became the “Jewish War” as Josephus called it. That destroyed the Jewish Kingdom a second time, but put Christianity in its place. And the “Sign of the Beast” is an apt description of the Digital Concentration Camp that has been growing as events lead to the “Great Reset.” ” [from: The Second Coming of the Judeo-Zoroastrian Jesus of the Dead Sea Scrolls.]
The “number of the Beast” as a crypto allusion to Nero shows that the “Book of Revelations” was written by Jewish Military Propaganda, or “the Institute” at the same time as Jewish “Messianists”(or “Crestiani,” as Tacitus called them) set fire to Rome in 64 AD. But Nero was dead by 67, and then the Temple was destroyed in 70. What the Jewish establishment propaganda text called the “Book of Revelations” tried to do was enlist the adherents of the Baptizing Sect Jesus movements into their revolt against Rome. (All of the leaders of the Jewish Revolt were touted as Messiahs. So were many Alexandrian rulers who styled themselves “soter” much earlier.) What the Christians ultimately did was paint Jesus as one of these revolutionaries, the ultimately succesful one. (They took two historic Jewish Zealots, Shimon and Iakov executed in 46 AD for criminal activities and made them into disciples Peter and James, backdated.) The Evangelists beat Jewish military intelligence at their own game, but mistakenly, and reluctantly, the “Book of Revelations” by “John of Alcatraz” got included in the Christian Canon, where it does not belong. The Book of Revelations is cheap schlock from Mad Magazine and makes numerous mistakes regarding Baptizing Sect doctrines. Fortunately, we now have the Dead Sea Scrolls, which may guide the meager remnant that is still concerned and interested in its own salvation.
The clue to understanding the Book of Revelations is the “Number of the Beast.” The letters of Semitic alphabets are letter sounds but are also numbers. The Arabic “ilm al-huruf” or “science of the letters” is the same as Jewish “Gematria,” except that one is in Arabic and the other in Hebrew. By taking the mathematical sum of the letters in a word, and discovering another word with the same sum, supposedly a mystical meaning is revealed. Of course not all combinations yield sense but those that do can be presented to the mark as a mystical insight, or even “as a revelation.” For example, the mathematical sum of “Allah” is 66 and “Adam wa Hawa” or “Adam and Eve” also adds up to 66. A Gnostic can use that to peddle his stuff.
The name “Gematria” comes from Greek and it means “pseudo-geometry.” It was in Hellenist times, when Greek rationalism drained the flood of confusion, and a new world view arose. But also a modern climate of conscious, “scientific” political repression, and this gave rise to an apocryphal literature with hidden meanings like the “Book of Daniel,” and “Ezekiel,” which were anti-Seleucid propaganda composed just before 167 BC to support the growing Maccabee revolt. Conventional dogma-bound brainwashed Bible study makes the claim that Plato read Ezekiel, and borrowed from him, but it is of course the other way around; Hellenist Jews and Babylonians read Plato and put him into their political propaganda. (Judaism, since the so-called “Joshua Reforms” was a copy of Babylonian religion, down to the so-called “Hebrew writing system” using “Assyrian letters.”)
This moment of time also gave birth to the “Book of Isaiah,” which despite studiously placing itself in the period of the Assyrian invasion was also written after 200 BC. For this reason there is a tradition that “Isaiah” was “sawn in two.” (There are other figures about whom such an allusion is also made for the same cryptic reason.) Isaiah is the most interesting of them all because it was the founding document of the Baptizing Sects, of which the Essenes are a branch. These were the result of an earlier fusion between Zoroastrianism and Babylonian religion which is called Zurvanism, but a fusion rectified by Hellenist rationalism. And so we find Luke,a master rhetorician, making Jesus quote Isaiah in the Synagogue, and making Jesus quote the Iliad to Pontius Pilate, and Pontius Pilate respond by making an unspoken reference to Aristotle: “What is Truth.” All Greek educated parties knew where the answer to that lay, and that was in the axiom of the Greek Teacher, the “principle of non-contradicion.” This is why even the Parthians insisted that they were not hicks but Hellenists, and watched Greek Plays. Isaiah is also a prime component of the Koran, a Handbook of Baptizing Sect precepts translated into Arabic, and slightly, but worthily augmented by Muhammad. The word “Koran” (Arabic “iqra,” Hebrew “qerya,” means “to call” and this is what Jesus does in his sermon in the synagogue which is the repetition of the “call” made in Isaiah, from which Jesus is “reading” the way that Muhammad was “reading” the Koran, from the scroll presented by the angel Gabriel, (the Angel who made the annunciation to Mary.)
“The number of the Beast is the Roman Emperor Nero who was thus called by the cipher “666” as a part of Zealot war propaganda in the Book f Revelations 13:18. This so-called “mark of the beast,” is the most famous example of the “science of the letters.” “666” is the abjad or gematria sum (the Semitic letters are also numbers) for Nero Caesar (NRON QSR in Hebrew) and the alternative version, 616, is the same without the second N. Franz Ferdinand Benary (1805-1880), a German orientalist, explained this numeric gematria in the Zeitschrift für speculative Theologie: “Interpretation of the number 666 (χξϛ) in the Apocalypse 13:18 and the variant reading 616 (χιϛ).” For simple Christians the explanation that it was government war propaganda is not that simple.
“According to the last book in the Bible, 666 is the number, or name, of the wild beast with seven heads and ten horns that comes out of the sea (Revelation 13:1, 17-18). It’s something that has confused Christians, scared them, and is not chatted about in most circles. However, taking the time to learn more about what the Bible says can put the Mark of the Beast into perspective. The number 666 is the name of the coming antichrist” (Beliefnet). Old propaganda for the people becomes new propaganda for the people. Whatever the problems with the Book of Revelation (and these are profound) nothing is all bad, and nothing is all good. The image of the “Sign of the Beast,” of Revelations, was inspired by the Biblical aversion to censuses. This aversion comes out of the disaster described in II Samuel 24 involving David. In it God ordered David to carry out a census and then punished him catastrophically for doing it. The contradiction was finessed in I Chronicles 21:1 where the inspiration for the census is attributed to Satan, getting Yahweh out of the double bind, “the damned if you do and the damned if you don’t.” The Roman Census of Quirinius of the year 6 sparked the Galilean Zealot Revolt that became the “Jewish War” as Josephus called it. That destroyed the Jewish Kingdom a second time, but put Christianity in its place. And the “Sign of the Beast” is an apt description of the Digital Concentration Camp that has been growing as events lead to the “Great Reset.” ” [from: The Second Coming of the Judeo-Zoroastrian Jesus of the Dead Sea Scrolls.]
The “number of the Beast” as a crypto allusion to Nero shows that the “Book of Revelations” was written by Jewish Military Propaganda, or “the Institute” at the same time as Jewish “Messianists”(or “Crestiani,” as Tacitus called them) set fire to Rome in 64 AD. But Nero was dead by 67, and then the Temple was destroyed in 70. What the Jewish establishment propaganda text called the “Book of Revelations” tried to do was enlist the adherents of the Baptizing Sect Jesus movements into their revolt against Rome. (All of the leaders of the Jewish Revolt were touted as Messiahs. So were many Alexandrian rulers who styled themselves “soter” much earlier.) What the Christians ultimately did was paint Jesus as one of these revolutionaries, the ultimately succesful one. (They took two historic Jewish Zealots, Shimon and Iakov executed in 46 AD for criminal activities and made them into disciples Peter and James, backdated.) The Evangelists beat Jewish military intelligence at their own game, but mistakenly, and reluctantly, the “Book of Revelations” by “John of Alcatraz” got included in the Christian Canon, where it does not belong. The Book of Revelations is cheap schlock from Mad Magazine and makes numerous mistakes regarding Baptizing Sect doctrines. Fortunately, we now have the Dead Sea Scrolls, which may guide the meager remnant that is still concerned and interested in its own salvation.
Ah, Stupid Serb Supremacy Guy is back, ladies ‘n’ Gennulmen.
@deadname: Greek was the lingua franca of the Roman Empire, so writing in Greek makes perfect sense, even if your character is writing about an Aramaic speaking Jew. Paul’s character was explicit about reaching out to Gentiles, so again Greek makes sense.
Saying Jews should speak Hebrew is like saying Italians should speak Latin.
Like the song “Just walk away, Renee”, I advise Christians to unburden themselves and either investigate and explore Russian Ortodoxy or-
https://www.diamondway-buddhism.org/
Video Link
Ehrman’s talks are the source for my comment, above, that Saul introduced the concept of man’s inherent guilt/sin, and absolute necessity of a blood sacrifice, to achieve “salvation” from sin.
Ehrman is emphatic: this notion of inherent guilt*** and need for salvation were totally alien to Pagan Roman peasants, but we’re firmly embedded in Saul’s apocalyptic, messianic, pharisaic, essentially Hebrew scripture-based world view.
Ehrman explains that Saul (Paul), who never encountered Jesus (Saul lived some years after the supposed death of Jesus), created and preached-propogated a version of Christianity that was distinctly different from Jesus’ own teachings.
*** Saul based “inherent guilt” on Genesis story of Adam & Eve in the Garden of Eden-Paradise (Persians claim that Paradise is a Persian term).
That is, Hebrew OT and beliefs were essential pillars of Paul’s Christianity.
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Which makes Christianity a Jewish project, according to Ehrman and just as Dalton says, and as the record of its historical evolution confirms.
You poor sausage. Caught and ensnared in Western epistemology. You don’t even frame the question properly, because you are person that sees only 10 feet of depth of field, with no corrective lenses. See the following and links therefrom and towards:
https://www.diamondway-buddhism.org/
What’s your explanation? Evolution?
I’m afraid that’s impossible, Old Sport…
https://theconversation.com/the-long-history-of-how-jesus-came-to-resemble-a-white-european-142130
https://israelshallruleagain.org/ceaser-borgia-the-man-who-stole-jesus-christs-identity/
Where is the evidence that your Great Grandmother was a monkey?
I was raised as a Christian, but all the Jew stuff and Holy Land references seemed foreign to me. It was all alienating. The old European elements fused into Christmas and Easter, and the architecture, art, and music held my attention as a child, but that’s about it. It was also obvious early on when I learned that there are many different versions of the Bible, that they can’t all be the Word of God.
Even if Christianity could be a truly Universal religion, I don’t see what good it does when only whites and Europeans are open to universal ideas.
Unless God himself comes down and personally declares himself and his philosophy and words, I will always be a skeptic. Otherwise, religion should play a role like that of the family in strengthening and reinforcing the positives and identity of a people and its culture. Due to the Jewish core of Christianity, Whites and Eutopeans are left rudderless and vulnerable.
My only question is why Jews seem to hate Christianity so much when it serves them so well.
Ehhh… they have more impact than you think
Mr. Sikhi, all of that is well and good (from your perspective), but there are elements of paganism in your faith, which y’all try hard to obfuscate.
1. Your hyper-veneration of gurus. You have these images of them, as you stand hand-folded in worship. Truly monotheist faiths (such as you claim yours) have no need for images of anybody in their worship. At the very least you must be viewing them as intercessors with the One God. There should be no need for intercessors. There is you, and there is God, and middlemen need not apply. It is all quite simple really.
2. Your faith is intricately tied to the most rabid pagan faith of Hindooism (no major faith is more pagan than this one). There are mentions in your scriptures of hindoo deities, in the context of the Divine. Why? Many of you even name your little ones with such hindu names. Why?!
No faith can have Hindoosim in its core, and not be pagan and/or polytheist.
The minuscule (0.35%!!) lot of you are trying your best to straddle between the pagan polytheism of Hindooism, and the true monotheism of Islam. There is no need for this in-between religion. For the two extremes there are the two faiths to choose from. What pressing need does Sikhism provide mankind’s spirituality, pray tell?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_in_Sikhism#:~:text=God%20has%20also%20been%20referred,Sri%20Guru%20Granth%20Sahib%20Ji.
The following is so much noise about the Hindoo aspects of Sikhism (more such on Quora and other portals). My point is, why should there be any such noise? By this association, which is still being debated, the claim that Sikhism is purely monotheist is tainted beyond redemption.
https://www.quora.com/Why-does-Guru-Granth-Sahib-states-that-Hindus-have-forgotten-their-roots
I repeat, there is a clearly pagan polytheist faith system, from which arise all pagan faiths such as Hindooism, Christianity, Sikhism, (even Judaism with their in-his-image nonsense) etc., and on the other side, is the only truly monotheist faith, which rejects any kind of human-like deities, and other pagan abominations…
ISLAM!!!
Is the world to believe that the 0.35% of you have somehow struck the spiritual motherlode? Where are your numbers to show God’s grace on Sikhism? Islam being the fastest growing religion is by God’s grace only.
If you are truly monotheist, renounce all this nonsense, visit your closest mosque and proclaim your Shahadah!
Greek makes sense because Paul’s “Old Testament” was written in Greek and he was responding to it. The first Jews were Graecophones from Egypt. I see no other possible explanation. They show up with a fake history based on real history, claim that they are chosen by God to have special authority and privilege on Earth from the seat reserved for them in Jerusalem, invent a fake language based on real language, and then claim their language and history is not only authentic but the root of all civilization. Did Paul even have an awareness of the Hebrew language?
Replace “Italians” with “Romans” and I’ll agree with you. As you note, Rome spoke Greek as well. I find it likely that Catholic history is just as contrived as Jewish. Latin is just as fake as Hebrew. These are clerical languages designed for clerical usage. The capital of the Roman Empire was never in Italy. It was always in Constantinople.
Contrived history and contrived language go together like bread and butter.
Sounds like Satan in the Mormon context. In Mormonism Satan has no physical body as a punishment for being evil.
Islam had its time in the sun but today there is no religious unity and it has made a lot of enemies. As an old religion it has also slid into deep hypocrisy in many places that it is practiced.
Well, the very important difference between what you described and the man who told me his story is that you were older and YOU chose what you believe.
He, like so many, had been subjected to it from the beginning of his life in an absolute way – as if they were all facts and no discussion, examination or debate about them will be allowed. They captured his brain and apparently his parents thought that’s what Christianity is….to do that to a young person.
This might interest you: I lived in the Bible Belt for a quarter of a century and after a good while I realized that many did not actually live like what they professed to be. Their actions did not match their words. They claimed to be Christians but, did not behave like them. I ultimately decided that it was probably related to not having chosen that way of life. Rather it was forced upon them and, like in so many other facets of life, people tend to have a bit of a block towards that which is thrust upon them. So, they never really developed the necessary conscience that needs to accompany any religious belief system in order to live the principles. Perhaps you will live a more upstanding life because YOU intentionally chose that path.
Lastly, I’ll just say that the part that troubles me about Christianity is the inherent narcissism in it. Meaning, the very obvious carrot and stick approach in Christianity causes believers motivations to be primarily for themselves. I’ve heard, seen and read it time and again. Indeed, you gave a prime example — that you will get rewarded after you die if you just do as they say. That’ is probably the most prominent narcissistic tool used in that religious system.
Word “Jew” was invented in 18th century, so Jesus CANNOT be a “Jew”.
Good comment. ^^^
Could you expand on that a little? I’m not sure I follow.
Holy cow, the bolded part is certainly the truth. It reminds me of a very short and succinct comment I read on here a few months ago that made me LOL but, seems to largely sum it all up.
On a thread related to these sorts of issues, a guy wrote: “A kike on a stick. The biggest psyop the Jews have ever pulled.”
How long are you retards going to keep telling yourselves this when the evidence is already in? When people dump Christianity, they go “full woke” vs “full nazi” at a ratio of like 999:1. So much for “muh rationality.”
In Matthew 5:39, Jesus commanded His disciples, “Do not resist an evil person.” This command is a part of the Sermon on the Mount that Jesus preached in Matthew 5—7. In this sermon, Jesus discussed many topics including anger, sexual immorality, marriage, fasting, relationships, and more. Through this sermon, He taught His disciples how to live a pure and righteous life before God and others.
When Jesus says, “Do not resist an evil person,” He’s revealing God’s heart for how we are to treat those who wrong us. Here is the context: “You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’ But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also. And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well. If anyone forces you to go one mile, go with them two miles“ (Matthew 5:38–41). Instead of seeking revenge, Jesus tells us that we should “turn the other cheek.” In other words, we should adopt an attitude of humility and seek to be peaceful with those who have wronged us.
It’s important to note that by saying, “Do not resist an evil person,” Jesus is not requiring us to be pacifists or to never resist evil forces. In fact, James 4:7 and 1 Peter 5:9 command us to resist the devil and his evil practices. If a believer or his loved ones are threatened or attacked, it’s not wrong to take up a defense or to seek appropriate justice against the wrongdoer. What Jesus does require by commanding us not to resist an evil person is to not retaliate. We do not respond in kind, and we shouldn’t try to “get even.” And, when the offense is nothing more than a personal slight, we can ignore it altogether.
By not seeking revenge or retaliation against people who have personally wronged us, we are actually able to reveal to them what God is like. God, in His grace, does not retaliate against those who wrong Him; He does not try to “get even” with sinners. Rather, God invites them into a relationship with Himself and, in Christ, offers to forgive them of their sins.
Perhaps the most important reason we should not resist an evil person is that Jesus Himself did not. Jesus practiced what He preached. When He was arrested and crucified, Jesus did not fight back or resist. He did not seek revenge or try and “get even” with His tormentors. Rather, He loved them and died for them, and He asked His Heavenly Father to forgive them for the wrong they committed (Luke 23:34). Following Jesus’ example, we should not resist an evil person. We, too, can choose to love and forgive those who have wronged us.
As believers, we should not resist an evil person. The Lord teaches us that it’s wrong to retaliate and seek revenge, and we should model the example of our Savior. The apostle Paul sums it up in Romans 12:21: “Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.”
A Jew is as a Jew does. Jesus was not a Jew. Nor is Ron Unz.
evidently dalton is not very well informed. Accept or reject the teachings there is certainly proof that this man existed. Pilate’s report to tiberius of his crucifixion “the depiction of Pilate is quite positive; Pilate describes Jesus as the most pious person who ever existed, and explains himself as having to execute him only because he feared an uprising of the Jews against Rome had he declined”. Herodotus, flavius jospehus the antiquities of the Jews written in the first century AD also mentioning the baptist and tacitus in his annals. There is also the translated talmud by Nicholas Dronin a converted Jew who became a Franciscan resulting in the Disputation of Paris during the reign of King St Louis IX who was shocked at the vitriolic portrayal of the rabbis of Christ. They certainly believed he existed and give their explanation as to how he performed ‘miracles”. It takes a pagan or nominally christian professor to come up with this theory.
On the more esoteric plane there are several “relics” in the possession of the catholic church which can be seen as confirming the existence of Christ. One is the sudarium a facial cloth used to cover a bloodied face of corpse so as not to lose any bodily fluids after death; the shroud of turin both containing pollens identified by JEWISH paleo botanists in university in tel aviv as occurring in small area where Christ was said to have lived and been executed and dating back to that time. There is also what is called “eucharistic” miracles where portions of myocardium still living and beating are in vessels which have been examined unidentified by top cardiologists in world. Now the odd thing about these are they are all an AB negative blood which has not been matched to any other sample in banks in world. Also oddly they all contains 23 chromosomes plus one Y. Now I can’t prove this belonged to christ but perhaps Dr. dalton might have theory of who they might match to. There is also the testimony of countless individuals through history who have claimed being visited by him. One contemporary is roy schoeman Harvard and MIT author of “salvation is from the Jews” in which he recounts being approached by him on a beach during a time of great religious turmoil. Elmer gantry perhaps I am inclined to believe him
i see some of repliers here are of the school of the Doug Casey “the international man” who says he was raised in a “cannibalistic death cult” that is the catholic church but I think debate or comment about 2.000 years of christianity should at least warrant a more nuanced conversation than some banal statements questioning his existence. This kind of nonsense used to be “sexy” it is not just irritating.
“Vito Corleone was a real person, he existed
All the scholars at the most important institutions agree, Corleone existed. .
. If you want to hold the opposite position, that Corleone did NOT exist, then you better collect compelling evidence.”
because as every scholar like Ehrman knows, scholarship is based on proving the negative..
& a pop scholar</I
like Ehrman knows on which side his bread is buttered.
Example: in his lectures, Jesus to Constantine, Ehrman frequently uses the label, anti-Semitic, but NEVER criticizes amti-Rome-ism (think of Rome as place-holder for Constitutional Americanism.)
For the romans peasants, maybe.
But what about the romans slaves ? Those enslaved from birth ? The one wanting to be free from a horrible life of labor without any hope ?
If you don’t know about the gods of yours ancestors, have no way to know about them, and hate the roman ones, what do you risk from being a christian ?
Well, they may be true, maybe a lie – I said he ‘seems’ to have believed them, but we will never really know.
Maybe he just copied what previous Christ-mongers had claimed. People have religious visions now, people had religious visions before – who knows ?
But yes, Paul pretty much admits to lying, and clearly has a financial stake – no, not a particularly trust-worthy person. (Apart from the fact his letters have been corrupted, and we have no idea who he really was.)
I certainly don’t think his writings are evidence for a historical Jesus.
The Shroud of Turin has been carbon-dated to well over a thousand years after the alleged Jesus.
The image on the front is much taller than the one on the back.
The material is from the middle ages.
It shows evidence of paint.
As early as the year 1390, Bishop Pierre d’Arcis in Lirey, France, wrote a letter to Pope Clement VII, to inform him the shroud was a fake.
Just like all the other claimed evidence – does not stand up to scrutiny.
As if faked evidence of an alleged miracle is actually evidence in the real world.
Jesus not only teaches that “revenge” (ie, justice) is wrong. He teaches that self defense is wrong. “Fear not killers of the body”, he says. When Jesus allows himself to be executed by his enemies, he knows he will rise and go to heaven. The same goes for you. Jesus is not telling you how to lead a better life on Earth. He’s telling you how to die and go to Heaven. “Whoever loses their life for my sake will gain it”. That’s what Jesus says.
In other words, according to Christ, a good Christian is a dead Jew.
I / we have.
It does not stand up to scrutiny.
Note Josephus’ comment was NOT contemporary – but from over half a century after the alleged Jesus, and was likely not by him at all.
Why didn’t YOU check up on the problems of the T.F. ?
Why didn’t YOU check up on what has been written up-thread about it ?
The truth is, Truth, I never knew my grandmother much less my great grandmother.
Comment #423 displays not only intellectual bankruptcy in it’s reductio ad absurdum; not only a failure of logic: to my knowledge, monkeys beget monkeys & humans beget humans. I am human, therefore my great grandmother must have been human, not monkey; but comment #423 gives evidence of appalling bad manners.
Is that characteristic of a True Christian?
A complete explanation may be outside the bounds of reason.
For the record, I believe in evolution and I believe in selection, but I cannot say that I believe fully in “natural” selection. Darwinist absolutists are incapable of imagining that things other than selfish genes might play a role in human motivation or that conciousness may not exist physically within the nervous system. In fact split brain experiments demonstrate the opposite of what many scientists once claimed. They demonstrate the “unity of conciousness”. A sentient being has it’s own distinct concious experiences, but they aren’t a jumble of different conciousness events associated with different parts of the brain/body. (See https://mindmatters.ai/2021/05/how-split-brain-surgery-underlines-the-unity-of-consciousness/).
The universe is where desire goes to find expression, but I acknowledge that that doesn’t fully account for the physical world’s existence. Desires don’t really create things, but reality is fully consistent and everything exists in perfect balance. The way I see it the physical universe exists because desire exists, and to some extent the reverse is true too.
When people try to find reasons *why* they are typically looking for simplifying explanations. Sometimes a few mathematical equations can describe something that previously looked like pure chaos. Humans in general are always have the intuition that reality per se must be the simpler than anything of the contents of our experience. I believe this intuition to be correct but that may imply that reality is not something we can describe concretely. We’ll never be able to say why.
I am not a mathematical Platonist but physicists have found that the physical universe obeys mathematical laws, although there are constants that don’t seem to be determined by any logic. Some of those physicists posit a “multiverse”, where those constants are set differently in a each of an infinite collection of universes. I doubt that this is true, however. Instead I think that theses constants will eventually be linked to mathematical constants such as pi and e and the multiverse theory will be discarded.
Mr. Unz is an Aryan Hebrew Israelite just like jeebus and not like one of those evil Pharisee Khazar Talmudic Jews which jeebus hated and which did not even exist in the time of jeebus. Now Mr. Unz can warn his evil cousins that the end of days cometh and ascend to heaven to wait for them. Meanwhile Andrew Anglin is the dick upon which he will build his church.
The cross is the symbol of death. It is okay as an emblem of the grave, but it is dangerous to accept it as a symbol of life. But many so-called religious people have treated human life and body as no more than a grave, and it is going to result in a disaster.
A man bearing a crucifix on his breast declares that life is not acceptable to him; he is worshipping death really. For him life is a curse, not a blessing. Christianity – I don’t mean Jesus – believes that man is born in sin, that life is the original sin. According to them, what we think of as life is not God’s gift, but a form of punishment inflicted on man.
This kind of thinking is essentially masochistic, pessimistic, morbid. Standing near a rosebush a pessimist takes note of every thorn, but he ignores the flowers altogether. Looking at day and night, a pessimist sees two dark nights sandwiching a short day instead of seeing two bright days enclosing a brief dark night. Such a mind gathers together all the hurt and pain of life and completely forgets its delights and pleasures.
In fact, paying too much attention to the miseries of life is the sign of a diseased mind, a neurotic and deranged mind. Of course a philosophy of life that affirms and emphasizes sorrow and suffering is bound to be negative and nihilistic. And this is what the cross represents.
Had he not been crucified, Jesus would have never made such a powerful impact on the world. In all probability the world would have forgotten him. His crucifixion became the foundation of Christianity.
Today nearly a billion people all over the world are within the fold of Christianity. I don’t take this to be the triumph of Christ, it is undoubtedly the victory of the cross. Jesus hanging on the cross became a great attraction for our miserable and diseased minds. Our lives are virtually on the cross; we are ridden with anxiety, sorrow and suffering. We are a people who collect only hurt and pain, as some people collect used stamps. We all have our stockpiles of miseries; we don’t have any remembrance of having any happy moments in life.
Krishna is absolutely the opposite type of individual, and his flute as a symbol is just the opposite of the cross. There is no sense in putting a flute on a grave; it needs throbbing lips and supple fingers to play it. It needs a singing and dancing heart, a soul brimming with joy and bliss to hold it. And I think it is time man makes a clear choice between the cross of Jesus and the flute of Krishna.
It is not that life is without its hurts and pains; it cannot be. But if a person brings his focus only to the hurt and pain and goes on accumulating them, he will soon cease to meet with any happy moments in life. It is not that there is no happiness in life; it has its fair share of happiness too. And if someone trains his attention on happiness alone and goes on gathering it, he will eventually cease to come across painful moments in life.
Life consists of both pleasure and pain, happiness and misery. And it depends on us what we choose to see and take. My own understanding is that if someone sees rightly and loves rose flowers, then soon the thorns on the rosebush will disappear from his sight. Eyes attuned to the beauty and fragrance of the flower don’t take notice of the thorns. Not that the thorns disappear from the bush; they become part and parcel of the grandeur of the roses, and one sees them as something protecting the roses. They are really to protect the flowers, not to hurt anyone.
But if someone sees only thorns he will miss the flowers. He will say, “How can there be any flowers in the midst of so many piercing thorns and thistles?” He cannot even think of flowers where thorns abound. For him thorns become the truth and flowers disappear like dreams. But for a lover of flowers, thorns become illusory and flowers the truth.
It depends on man, what he chooses; he is free to choose. There is a saying of Sartre’s which is strange but close to truth. He says, “Man is condemned to be free.” It seems freedom is an imposition on us, inflicted on us. It seems we can choose every thing except freedom – because we are free to choose or not to choose it. Never had anyone described freedom as something inflicted on man.
Man is free, and this freedom affirms his being God. But he can choose anything – even not being God. Similarly, he is free to choose pain and misery. Life will be pure suffering for one who makes suffering his choice. We become that which we choose to become. In fact, we see what we want to see; we find what we want to find; we receive what we ask for. So if you seek suffering you are going to have it, without fail.
The irony is that if someone opts for suffering he does not suffer alone, he makes many others suffer with him. And this is where immorality comes into being. Unhappiness is a contagious disease: a single unhappy person can be the cause of the unhappiness of thousands. It is impossible that an unhappy man can make another happy. How can he give happiness to another when he refuses to take it for himself. Remember, we can share with others only that which we have, not what we don’t have.
One who has turned his life into a bundle of hurts and wounds is going to be the cause of much suffering in the lives of many people around him. Since suffering has become his life’s breath, wherever he goes he will carry the germs of suffering with him. So an unhappy man does not suffer alone, he shares his sorrow with everybody he comes in contact with. Walking or sitting, speaking or silent, active or inactive, he emits and transmits the vibes of unhappiness like nuclear fallout all around him. An unhappy person really adds to the unhappiness of the whole world.
Remember, when you choose unhappiness, you are not choosing it for yourself alone, but for the whole world as such.
As I said, it is man’s preference for pain and suffering which the cross symbolizes. And that has led him to the doorstep of war – a war that is going to be a total war. For the first time, mankind is on the brink of committing global suicide. But he has asked for it by opting for misery.
We know very well that sometimes individuals driven up the wall commit suicide in despair. But for the first time a situation for collective suicide has arisen, when the whole of mankind has become so miserable that it is going to commit global hara-kiri.
It seems war has become our way of life, and the mounting number of wars are nothing but our mounting steps to collective death and destruction. And this destruction is the cumulative effect of mankind’s choice of suffering. Really, war is of our own choosing, it does not descend out of the blue.
And when we court suffering religiously, when we accept it as something religious, then no thing remains to be chosen irreligiously. When we turn sorrow into a religion, then there is nothing like irreligion on the earth. Sorrow is really enshrined when it is made part of religion.
A whole milieu of unhappiness and misery was created around the cross. I don’t say it was created around Jesus, because Jesus is not necessarily connected with the cross; he could very well do without the cross. The fact is, that Christianity was created not by Jesus, but by the people who crucified him.
I always say Christianity was not founded by Jesus; its real founders were those Jewish theologians and priests who crucified him. Christianity comes from the cross, not Christ. Poor Jesus was simply hanged on the cross – so he is secondary. First comes the cross in relation to the religion founded after his name. In fact, it should be called “crossianity,” not Christianity. It is the cross that occupies the place of honor in the hearts and minds of people whose life is every day on the cross.
Man as he is, is in suffering; he is perpetually on the cross. It is not much different whether it is the cross of the family or of relationships, of friendships or of enmities, of religions or of nationalities. For man, life is a cross that he has to carry on his shoulders from the cradle to the grave. For him, life is really a curse, a sin, not a blessing. And the cross became increasingly important to him, and he clung to it. In fact, Christianity is a worldwide conglomeration of all such pessimistic and miserable people.
The different versions of the Lord’s Prayer you cite hardly seem significant. You can’t see the forest (Father, Kingdom, Daily Bread, Forgiveness of debts) for the trees (grammatical variations).
Fantastic documentary about the Shroud:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1RHGkCKce1dYnBXek1WZ51j7gN6NRtM7I/view?usp=sharing
What is the point of monotheism if it turns you into an embittered critic?
Why does it fall upon you to proselytize for Allah? What will you gain or lose by screaming at people about the superiority of your faith?
What use is faith if you must convince other people to follow it? If you must persuade and cajole? What of divinity is not self evident, that you must define it for us simpletons?
Whatever knowledge you may have, it is obvious that you are wholly lacking in wisdom. Be silent, and be well.
You are a Muslim but not from Pakistan.
For a medieval religion that:
1. DENIES FREEDOM OF CONSCIENCE, AND
2. WHOSE HISTORY IS DRENCHED IN SLAVERY, AND
3. OPPRESSION OF FEMALES, AND
4. THOSE RELIGION IS FULL OF SCIENTIFIC ABSURDITIES (LIES)
methinks that thou protesteth too much through wilful ignorance. Here is the answer to your nonsense (I have read the Koran):
1) Sikh Gurus are respected but not worshiped. Sikhs only bow to the Sikh scripture which is considered an Emperor on Earth above all temporal authority. This arose at the time, Muslims tried to exterminate all Sikhs. They tried extermination twice in the 18th century.
Sahibzada Zorawar Singh and Jhujar Singh aged 7 and 9 years were entombed alive upon their refusal to convert to Islam. Bowing to the Sikh scripture (The Guru Granth Sahib) was an offense punishable by death in the Mughal Empire.
In the place where the Sikh scripture is present no pictures are allowed.
Guru Gobind Singh in the letter Zafarnameh to the Emperor Aurangzeb writes: “Hindus are idol worshippers, I am a breaker of idols.”
Sikhism does not have a priesthood. Therefore no intercessors. Sikhs only have readers of the scripture; and anyone can be a reader including females.
2) Guru Nanak: “I am neither a Muslim nor a Hindu”. The word Ram is used in The scripture to refer to God not the Hindu Aryan god Ram. The scripture also uses many other names for God including Allah. The Sikh scripture denounces the practises of Hindus but not the religion. All religions (including Isslum) can be paths to God but the Sikh scripture says this about The Sikhi:
Among all religions this is the supreme religion
Among all rituals and codes of conduct, this is above all
3) Sikhs don’t walk around converting sheep. People should have an understanding of the ideology when they convert, instead of mumbling a magic phrase. Sikhi is a religion and also a political ideology.
4) Kaaba is idolatry.
Now here is something for you head choppers about Sikhi:
Higher than even belief in God is simple, truthful living. THEREFORE Sikhs have no problem with Atheists, Agnostics and Pagans. But Sikhs have a major problem with religions which deny freedom of conscience. The principal such religion being Islam.
Jews 0.35% of world population, number of Nobel prizes in Science 100+. Islam 40% of the worlds population, number of Nobel prizes in Science 1. Sikhs 0.35% of the world population, number of Nobel prizes in Science 6.
Thank you for reminding me how despicable Islam is.
The way out of the Abrahamic mumbo-jumbo for Westerners: (1)Adopt Confucianism, or
(2) Adopt Sikhi. Both are rational religions, but Sikhi is a warrior religion. So it is a good way to deal with head choppers.
Read about the political ideology of Sikhi:
The Sikhi: A Political Science Primer: https://archive.org/details/the-sikhi
Also see the twitter link:
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/akalprojectRare photo of St. Paul:
You may have some homework to get up to date on the latest Shroud scholarship. Recommend shroud.com for the latest.
A challenge for many who approach the Shroud, as it was for me, is to give up confirmation bias, that miracles don’t happen in the real world. They may not happen often, but did in this case. Glory to God!
The image used is a ”Silly Icon” based on Leonardo da Vinci ‘s sketches of Ceasre Borja the most favourite son of Spain born Rodrigo Borja who became pope Alexander VI in 1492…..
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/putin-gave-orthodox-church-famed-icon-because-its-importance-believers-kremlin-2023-05-16/
I rest my case…..(I could describe my esp xyz files experience of how a unknown serie of black icons – locus operandi a village at the coast glued to Barcelona – how I was as able to project them from behind my Third Eye on to the walls of 18th -19th century buildings & very large in to the sky / but that would be pearls before the swines / others could see it & could not believe their eyes )
Julien a close comrade who is a real living now 29 year old Romanian camerado who was selected as a kid in an orphanage by Dutch j. bankers & a black Surinamese called Romano they are very esp gifted / can be invisible at will …/ they were the first witnesses of it / but they are used to this nonsense)
Pentecost (petticoat … Urban Dictionary / the meaning of…) / Good Weekend
CIA O
I’m a fan of Islam, although I’ll never be a believer. It’s about as good as monotheism can get, and many of the Muslims I have met are extraordinarily friendly. I was recently in Qutar and I found myself wishing that I lived there. I’ll take Islamic culture over western decadence any day.
Sorry my comment is probably unclear. I know I’m setting myself up for ridicule here. I’ve had supernatural experiences in that I’ve seen and experienced ghosts. I have also fooled around with Magick(Which I no longer do) That brought many confirmations of the nature of our supernatural universe. I also head an N.D.E. and that I’d rather not discuss. Seeing the ghosts and communicating with them in a limited capacity confirmed a belief in the afterlife but what goes on in that afterlife is beyond any knowledge on my part. I’ve read extensively on the matter but that involves other people’s experiences not mine, so I can’t vouch for them. People may laugh but we are often surrounded by dead people. There are also large numbers of dead addicts who are earth bound that actually enter your body to quench their addictions. To get drunk, stoned or for sex. It’s my guess these addictions keep them earth bound. So my basic reasoning is if there are ghosts there is something else out there.
Sorry, your “rationality” isn’t any better. What’s the difference between one brain-captured group versus another?
The problem is the lack of a sufficiently developed intellect and conscience in those of any arrogant, strident group. That you don’t understand that indicates your brain is not your own.
Great article, numbers, names, stories etc
Except there is a big fuck-up when you say :
Why do I say that it’s a terrible assumption on your part?
Because Christianity gave the Jews shit for two thousand years by blaming them for the crucifixion of Jesus. The inquisition, the blood libels, their deportation out of many countries in Europe, Hitler and even today by the neo-nazis.
Finally the Jews had to do something about it and started bribing the pedophile corrupt christian priests and televangelists and now you got about 80 million stupid white people in America alone waiting for the so called Rapture or Rupture,(whatever)..because they got really brainwashed.
They also had to end their “vacations” all over the world and created a state where they live, yes surrounded by enemies but these don’t dare mess with them ’cause they got a huge arsenal and every time they get attacked they kick that ass really really good, hizbolah included.
Messed it all up, you did.
You are very welcome. I believe those who cherish the Shroud are greatly blessed. For it reveals, I believe, the Truth of both the Incarnation and the Resurrection.
It seems to me the Shroud is the greatest Artifact of history. And the most underrated. Not unlike the Redeemer Himself, who was, and is, and is to come.
This writer is correct about one thing! There is no Savior called Jesus!! This invented name is courtesy of the lying pen of the Judaic scribes.
But, if we as a people are without the hope of Salvation, this exercise here on planet earth, was but a futile and painful waste of time.
https://destinedtoberevealed.com/yahshua/
https://destinedtoberevealed.com/yahweh-alone-is-savior/
https://destinedtoberevealed.com/the-name-of-yahweh/
https://destinedtoberevealed.com/the-lying-pen-of-the-scribes/
You make some excellent points.
The really insidious part of Christianity is that it blames man for his own suffering. Man is at fault for being born into a world of pain suffering and mortality. It is the ultimate blame the victim religion. This is why there is so much sex abuse in churches, because the default position is that victims have it coming to them.
The Catholic Church has made itself utterly ridiculous and contemptible by teaching both Original Sin and Evolution in its many colleges and universities around the world. The common people know it’s an absurd scam that’s all about money power and control.
Yours is a different perspective from mine — important, but different, in 2 ways:
1. My understanding of Ehrman’s explanation of Saul placed more emphasis on Saul’s Hebrew notion that mankind is inherently evil: it is the nature of man to be evil; of his own resources, man(kind) cannot rise above his evil nature: he needs a messiah — someone greater than himself to “save” him.
Ehrman said, several times in several places, that Saul ‘created a Need to expiate guilt that Roman Pagans did not know they had.
2. You appear to view ‘salvation’ as practical; I think Saul’s Hebrew view of salvation was existential– to change the nature of man from fallen/evil to — ?? — something better, not sinful.
I think Roman paganism with it’s many many gods and appeals to god for rain, for healing, for your daughter to come home, for relief from an awful boss, for you dead parents to watch over you — prayers to gods for help in making a right decision:. all these were in a similar category to your example of a slave seeking “salvation.”
BTW, there were many kinds of slavery on Roman world — Cicero’s devoted secretary was a slave who rejected the offer of freedom.
Obviously a different situation from enslavement in a salt mine. But Saul’s Christianity enjoins “Slaves. Be obedient to your masters.”
So maybe Christianity did not offer to slaves the kind of “salvation” you imagine.
Head Choppers:
https://twitter.com/akalproject/status/1662161443624452118/photo/1
if your types think jesus didn’t exist, why are you then so desperate to call him a jew?
ya, dalton wrote a whole bunch of words we’ve all seen and read before. but with that low class smugness they always can’t help but elicit…after he ran to his nietzsche quote book, i bet he sat there and said “HAHAH GOTCHA!!!” before he clicked submit.
Higher animals.have no religion.
Crescent Moon on mosques is the symbol of Nannar Sin (Allah, God). He died on Sinai Peninsula. He was one of national gods in antiquity.
what’s needed to solve the jewish problem is merely a return to what christianity was not more than 100 years ago.
and even better a return to what it was prior to the heretic luther.
why were europe’s jews expelled 100 times and islam’s jews 0 times?
because christianity is an INHERENTLY anti-jew religion. it has been such from the very beginning!
the problem is that tribesmen like td take “christian” as a self-identification rather than as a real thing. just like the trans pipo. sad.
most christians today are trans christians. not christians at all.
and if you think nazism is a better form of anti-semitism than christianity you’re an extremely silly and not nice person.
Christianity teaches this, and don’t let anyone kid you.
Christianity depends upon two things: Faith and Grace. You need faith to believe. You cannot get faith unless you get grace. Grace is a gift from God. Not all get it, despite what the Jesuits teach. Some get it, not all. It’s as simple as that.
There is no point in becoming an apologist for the Christian faith. You talk to people who are willing to listen. Those who are given the gift of grace. The rest of them, you kick the dust off your feet and move on. There is no point. You need faith.
The hostility of Christianity is growing by leaps and bounds. It’s happened before. There is nothing new under the sun. The more corrupt society and government become, the more Christians will suffer. We are not supposed to turn away from that suffering. We follow the cross. There is nothing on this earth to tell you to do that, except Christianity.
The rest is baloney. To all Christians, especially the young, get ready
deadname: “The capital of the Roman Empire was never in Italy. It was always in Constantinople.”
That’s a rather eccentric view, to put it mildly! If true, then when, exactly, did Constantinople conquer Rome?
deadname: “Jesus not only teaches that “revenge” (ie, justice) is wrong.”
Not always.
In Luke 19:27, the so-called Prince of Peace says, for example:
Just a trifle sadistic, doncha think?
A faith built on miracles is not much of a faith.
The problem is not Christian faith, the problem is fraudulent Christian claims to history. Does faith require any proof? No. Do you have any proof? No. Do you need any proof to be faithful? No. So why your need for history?
If you want to be respected as a Christian, then please agree that there is no evidence that Jesus Christ was a real human person who lived on Earth.
Paul is a fantasy, Mark is a parable, and Matthew is a satire. The rest is just damage control.
Kind of like when Jesus lectures the dude for not paying him interest. I forget if that was before or after whipping the moneychangers.
Constantinople was Rome. After the fall of the Roman Empire, the Catholic cult moved west and faked their language and history.
See: Laurent Guyenot
Why do Jews now rule Europe?
Once again stop deflecting you bastard. Where is the proof to your claim that Constantine was a Serb or that illyrians were Serbs? I’ve provided plenty of evidence to debunk it but you scurry off like a roach and don’t contend any of my proof yet you still say the same bs!
And your obsessed with goat sex, circumcised penises and drugs. You’re a subhuman.
A deadname is an Orwellian term for a birthname. It describes a name that a person no longer uses. It can also be used as a verb. For example, I could deadname famous Seinfeld actor “Jason Alexander” by calling him Jay Scott Greenspan. Although most usage of this term today relates to transgenderism.
Also, Paul’s deadname is Saul.
Some thoughtful posts, some angry, some “rational”, some lost …
Today’s people, young people misguided, drugs, sex, rocknroll … wicked so-called teachers, mass confusion/defiance/tears …
Talk of mathematics, “language of the universe”, entirely consonant with the Logos.
Who said, “No man cometh to the Father but by me.” Amazing statement.
C S Lewis in Belfast wrote on these sayings of Jesus. Worth reading imho.
Baroque is perhaps the most “logical”/mathematical form of music. Therapy for the tired, confused, fearful, angry; students use as a study aid.
Here the famous Water Musick by G F Händel.
Hoping it will be a blessing to you, whoever you are.
#347 @Paul C: Name one thing he predicted that is actually happening or has actually happened.
#351 @Luis:
For Christians who believe the NT, Pontius Pilatus Pilate called them Jews. Josephus the Jew apparently called them Jews. Bear in mind that the NT was not written for Jews specifically but for Greek speakers. Then you go on to say a bunch of stuff that simply isn’t true. One talks to people in language that they understand, which is why I use the phrase “stupid idiot” so often.
#332 @Zarathrustra:
Maybe he named himself after Thomas Dalton the abolitionist or John Dalton the chemist or any other Dalton whose first name wasn’t Thomas. The guy in Road House was James Dalton. That said, stellar comment!
#351-360 @Rebel Roy: Then three UnaBomber-like posts from this retard. The space bar is not just a thumrest. Use it!
#376 @Kratoklastes: No one in the known universe cares about your name drama.
#379,#381 Kurt Knispel goes insane.
#382: @SeekerofthePresence: I’m all over that Shroud of Turin nonsense! Believe it, believe it, believe it!
#400 @Zumbuddi:
Ain’ my Mama! My Mama never git down lahk that! “Hooray, Hooray! It’s the First of May!
Outdoor fucking starts today!”
#411 anonymous[473]:
By normalizing fucking little girls and little boys. I have more if you’re feeling lucky. “pagan shit”? Whatever happened to Ahl i-kitab? I think you’re a butt puncher like St. Paul, a fan of the chocolate creampie.
The fact that so many people are responding and acting like this article has any credibility is astounding. It’s completely misguided and obvious that the author hasn’t done much, if any, real research on the topic.
Is he kidding? There is an abundance of evidence that Jesus existed and that the gospel accounts are accurate. You’d think a Phd would know better. No wonder academia is such a mess.
Thanks for the references. I actually have most of them.
Beke’s book is short, but leads me to believe Gurdjieff’s ideas were from all over. Beke implies that Gurdjieff was more furious about his father’s death than he let on at the time. Gurdjieff would have been around 50 when his elderly father was gunned down by the Ottoman Empire in WWII.
I think it was from the Sufi Tradition that Gurdjieff got the idea that by contradiction and even being harsh with his students, he could wake them up better. No doubt he gathered much from old Egypt and Tibet. The implication is the most humans are all asleep.
Whatever his impulse, I have always thought he got that part right.
How many thinkers, I wonder, were pushed along by the events they were forced to endure? Ayn Rand, love her or hate her, was stuck in the middle of the Russian Civil War between the Reds and Whites; she was reading Victor Hugo at 13 years old while the town she took temporary shelter in changed hands several times. The same mad era. Rand to some degree also considered most people “asleep” (she called them “irrational”) and I get many of the same vibes from her as from Gurdjieff. Humans go on autopilot too early. This makes them mentally and emotionally unprepared to deal with the powers who actually rule the world.
Gurdjieff and P.D. Ouspensky had fun things to say about the Eternal Return. Even if it annoyed George Ivanovich, Ouspensky’s work has been carried on by a very bright British writer Anthony Peake. In his new book Cheating the Ferryman, Peake lays out a wonderfully scientific case for successive lives. He builds on both G and O, but he’s also scientifically trained and it’s hugely convincing. If he’s right we’ll all be back again. Maybe more awake next time.
One of that pretentious garbage borrowed from Hindooism or whatever. There can be nothing higher than the belief in the One God. That is what True Monotheism means. God is One and the most Supreme. Everything follows after that.
What exactly is this nebulous idea of “salvation” in Sikhism? A few points below 3, you call Hell a fantasy. If Hell is a fantasy, then Paradise must be too. So, your idea of salvation is akin to nirvana or some such pagan crap in Hindooism? If yes, that is my point, Sikhism is Hindooism with another coat of paint.
I bet, all you pagans have no clue what this nirvana actually is, except for this vague stuff… Sikhs believe nirvana is a state of pure bliss gained by pleasing the divine.
Pure bliss, what is that, like being high on drugs for all eternity? Is there an opposite of pure bliss? Or, perhaps the idea is; you get reborn again and again and again and fucking again, until you reach the bloody “pure bliss” you are promised?!!! Isn’t this all just Hindooism?
How exactly is all this any different from your parent faith? After all, there are sects in Hindooism which call themselves monotheist, e.g. Arya Samaj. How are you any different from them? As I asked earlier, what pressing need does Sikhism provide mankind’s quest for spirituality?
What does that mean? That reads like English, but sounds like nonsense.
Calling it an “Abrahamic concept” is utterly deceitful, because it is only a Christian deviancy (original sin). It is certainly not in Islam (the blessed prophet Abraham certainly did not advocate this), where one is born absolutely pure.
Don’t be deceitful to make a point. If you truly did not know… Learn!!
You are the guys who lynch people to death if someone so much as touches your book. We have witnessed such cases a few months back.
And Sikh Empire? Come on, you guys call a state (e.g. for perspective, like Washington state) an “empire”? The longevity of this “empire,” 50 years (1799 – 1849 CE)!
Ease up on the hyperbole guys.
Well there is definitely mention of Hindoo deities in your scriptures. Whether there are words of denigration or praise for them, who knows and who cares.
Anyway, no matter what you say above, you certainly don’t seem to be practising the scripture in your worship. Can’t we see that you have these pagan imagery of your gurus, with the sun-rays\halos behind their heads, the serene closed eyes, and the hand raised in blessing? Only pagans expect blessings from men. For true monotheists the only Giver of blessings is the One and only.
Big deal. We are supposed to be in awe of this feminist crap? God created man and woman differently. They are not equal in all respects. They have their own important places in the world.
I certainly don’t see any women in the inner “sanctum sanctorum” of your Sikh temples. So much for equality in all respects. Lol!
Is that why Sikhs were so ecstatic when Pakistan opened the Kartarpur corridor?
Yup. 30 million. 5th largest world religion indeed.
Like we don’t see what you are doing here? 😀
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Look man, you wish to wallow in your pagan “5th largest world religion,” by all means knock yourself out, but when you go around calling other beliefs “fantasy,” you better be ready for some blowback.
Well if you didn’t arrive by Creation, and you didn’t arrive by Evolution, how did you arrive?
So in other words, you reject my explanation, but you don’t have one that is superior?
And you “believe in evolution”, even though technically, it is still called The Theory of Evolution” for a reason?
Let’s harken back to a post I made earlier just for entertainment…
What say you?
from the area where the SS never controlled only…only france on the continent…
25 All the people answered, “His blood is on us and on our children!”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synagogue_of_Satan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_deicide
you’ve got a little learning to do td.
Agreed. Using the term Judeo-Christian is like speaking of Dog-Cat behavior. Judaism and Christianity are antithetical. For instance, regarding the role of human autonomy in religious outcomes, at a basic level we see that under Judaist doctrine, tribe members are “chosen” according to membership in a collective, whereas the doctrine of Christ introduced fidelity demonstrated on an individual basis as the key to whether one is “chosen” (or “saved”, in the Christian scope). Going from the labors and writings attributed to Paul, a major concern to him was how to disabuse nascent Jewish converts to Christianity of their inbred obsession with genetic entitlements, and more pointedly their reluctance to discard them as necessary contemplation in joining the body of Christ. The message of Christ was that He had fulfilled the prior law, thereby reconciling seemingly dichotomous doctrines.
On the particular subject of primacy of ancestry as arbiter within New Testament Christianity (the only kind), Christ’s messaging consistently supported replacing a tradition of entitlement based on ancestry with a divine connection made perfect by the studied subjugation of an individual’s will to that of God. Indirectly but not accidentally, Christ’s new paradigm argued that individuals had the power to make mortal choices yielding transcendental results, and that any person’s relationship with God was based not on affiliation but on exercising the agency of self. This was the essence of His revolution. (Of course, a politically disruptive effect emerged later as common people reasoned, Hmm, if God says I’m in charge of my salvation, maybe God thinks I can govern myself too.)
It is possible to identify assiduous attempts by Judaist forces to assert a concocted relevancy of Jewish principles to the utter departure from Judaism that the gospel of Christ actually represents. For instance, a passage from John 4:22 is translated as “salvation is of the Jews”, suggesting a confirmation by Christ that being “saved” (not a Jewish concept in the first place) is an effect properly credited backward for some reason to “the Jews”. But the better translation is “salvation comes out of Judea”, a statement much more contextual with the conversation ongoing between Jesus and the Samaritan woman at the well about the importance (or otherwise) of geography in the worship of God.
With this in mind, the words describing salvation as emerging from Judea take on additional shades of meaning (a typical attribute of Christ’s teaching method). At the first level, given that Christ had no need to advise the woman of where He was born – she knew very well He was Judean (and also not Samaritan) – Jesus is here asserting that He is salvation personified, therefore fulfilling a role beyond even that represented by what the woman had already concluded Him to be (that of prophet). But an additional meaning can be taken: If salvation is Christ, and Christ “comes out” (“exits”, according to the Greek ek) of Judea, does this not figuratively suggest He is no longer – for the greater purpose of effecting salvation – of Judea (of the tribe of Judah)? Even that He is repudiating His judean heritage (though perhaps not His ancestry) for the purpose of moving the Christian consciousness into the greater world (therefore the Gentile world)?
The entire concept underlying the mission and ministry of Christ is the exposition and implementation of God’s solution for reconciliation of many seemingly antagonistic duality sets which persisted, before Christ’s advent, as irreconcilable dichotomies of meaning and of being – i.e., law vs. mercy, grace vs. condemnation, death vs. life, tradition vs. agency, pride vs. submission, political freedom vs. inner peace, sin vs. virtue, dark vs. light, individual faithfulness vs. collective endowments, etc. Within the message of John 4:22 Christ may be communicating to us the resolution of yet another duality – how Jesus of Nazareth, once a Judean, has (if I may use the word) “outgrown” His native Jewishness (if I may use that word) and moved onward and most significantly, upward.
I have little difficulty in accepting that Jesus, necessarily of Judean birth in the flesh for reasons of destiny and prophetic fulfillment, ultimately represented in His very person the incompatibility of Pharasaic Jewishness with spiritual ascent and the recovery of pre-mortal glory (by reconciliation with God). It take the view that the words and events of Christ’s mortal life constitute a valid and compelling effective repudiation of His native Jewish origins.
Maybe you’re right. So enjoy your world filled with ugly, stupid, barbaric black and brown people.
“…how did you arrive?”
In a 2955 Plymouth.
How about you?
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Hate to break this to you, Truth, since you seem to be convinced you’ve got a lock on truth, but
1. There is a whole lot that humans do not know.
2. The creation story in Hebrew scripture is far from original and not nearly the first attempt — not by centuries.
3. Hebrew scripture did not originate nor does it embrace monotheism: Egypt developed monotheism before Hebrews did, and Zoroaster’s reform of Persian religion was monotheistic.
Etc
Etc
Etc
There is so much we do not know, we are still like ants trying to explain how birds fly.
Talking with dogmatic macaroni Christians is stultifying. And useless. An exercise to be avoided at all costs, but for the fact that Judeo-Christians consider it their duty and RIGHT to harangue me into sharing their small-minded view of this grand universe.
One must be aware that the Papist church and its bastard offsprings Protestantism, Agnosticism, Atheism, pseudo ‘White paganism’, are the result of a slow but steady process of subversion of the Church by the ‘Judaizers’, so severely criticized and reprimanded by St.Paul. Process that starts in the early hours of the Church and ends in the apostasy of the ‘West’.
So, from what I understand from reading, you reject a 2,000 year old history that uber-millions of people before you have taken as the word of God, AND you reject the 140 year old history that millions of people before you have rejected as the word of science, namely, that your Great-Grandmother was a monkey (my apologies), BUT you have no brilliant alternative theory that you would like to share?
As a wise man from my childhood used to say;
Exactamundo!
That is why I do not laud my intellect over 2,000 year old wisdom that miraculously survives to this day. ESPECIALLY not being able to craft a reasonable alternative.*
With all possible respect, Old Sport, is it more stultifying than talking (actually “corresponding”) with a born negater that has no better theory?
*I am fairly well convinced that my Great Grandmother was not a monkey.
Am I interpreting this correctly?
I said that your explanation fails as an explanation. Sometimes its better to accept that you don’t have an answer than it is to make up an answer that only passes the buck. I’m not saying that you alone are guilty of this. Everyone who resorts to theism to explain reality is guilty. Theism is a comforting illusion to a large segment of humanity, of which you are a part.
The Presence is with you. God bless!
But neither you, nor Zamboni have another answer!
Wait, excuse me…
So what, exactly are you trying to say? That your Great Grandmother was a monkey But your grandmother was a human because someone waved a magic wand?
Could it be that you do not have another answer, because there IS no other logical answer,
It may be true that Christianity has been the boon of the Caucasian herd, but every social, political and scientific advancement of the Caucasian race was due to Caucasian atheist and deist.
Okay, thanks. I don’t remember that from Orwell.
It is not missing at all. Manuscript of the Dead Sea scrolls for instance.
“You reject a 2000 year old history that Uber millions of people have taken as the word of god …’
Perhaps I heard my Mother say one too many times, “If ten of your friends jumped off a bridge, does that mean You should jump off a bridge?”
I am interested in the history BEFORE that supposed “2000 year old” event.
And in all of its subsequent permutations and perversions.
In my view, Old Fart, (F S Fitzgerald you are not), there are so many more life-affirming myths and belief systems that pre-date that of your god; so many facts that demonstrate irrefutably the many, um, cultural borrowings in addition to downright ugliness and lies in the god-system you cling to, that to be true to my own humanity I MUST reject your dogmatic macaroni Judeo-Christianity.
I do embrace the core tenets of Zoroaster:
Good thoughts
Good words
Good deeds.
I think the world would be a better place if “Uber millions” professed the beliefs of Zoroaster rather than the notion that man is inherently sinful and needs another man to be put to death brutally in an act of “expiation” for some undefined sin.
The evidence is that human beings are monkeys. We belong all to the primate order and the familly hominidae. It is typically anthropocentric to make a discrimination.
Thus Spoke Zarathustra! You made my day.
It is really funny to read xians discussing about Yeshua. Typical people who do not understand Hebrew.
good for you sir can’t all these credentialed and armchair scholars take to to some reasoned level of discourse. exactly on all points I thank you
What I meant is that natural selection usually implies that selfish genes are solely responsible for the the motivations that result in selection. Selection does occur, but sentient beings can have motivations that aren’t entirely due to their genes which will influence selection. So my belief is more like natural selection plus.
I don’t believe that humans are any kind of special ontological plane. Humans, monkeys, and all sentient beings have exactly the same senses and they are not experienced differently. How they differ is in how they react to sensory phenomena. Animals don’t have the same ability to think and often have immensely strong instinctive drives.
Well that’s a one-of-a-kind religion, I’m surprised no one else has ever come up with that brilliance.
Oh, hey, we all have at least on cell too, so there’s no difference between us and amoeba!
If I remember correctly, the myths I learned in elementary school taught that “natural selection” implied that we evolved in harmony with our atmosphere, I am misremembering something?
The Chaldean and Assyrian Church of the East in Iraq and the USA uses Aramaic today and its Bible is in Aramaic. There are historic inscriptions in China in Aramaic. The Mongolian script is modified from Aramaic, and Aramaic was the lingua franca of the Middle East for many centuries. Aramaic was the principle language of Manicheism into the Middle Ages. There was a large corpus of things written in Aramaic. In the fifth century BC the Jews stopped speaking Hebrew (if they spoke it at all) and spoke Aramaic. Hebrew as a spoken language was artificially created in the 20th century based on Russian.
Has a lot of good characteristics but the obsession with both male and female circumcision is weird.
It’s Opposite Day!
The Pharisees were the priest class of Rabbinical Judaism, an oral tradition founded by Hillel by the institution of his “presbil” clause in loan agreements whereby the borrower waived his Mosaic Law rights to “decor”, i.e. debt forgiveness after a specific period of time. Rabbinical Judaism is Talmudic Judaism and thus in violation of the Torah for it foundation based on violation of Mosaic Law.
So while the author correctly states Talmudic Judaism was not reduced to writing until centuries after The Jesus Event, it did in fact exist in practice during his public ministry as evidenced by the Pharisees mortal hatred of him beginning at his first recorded public statement, Luke 4:16-30.
All of this is made clear by unz.com featured author Michael Hudson in his landmark book.
https://michael-hudson.com/2018/08/and-forgive-them-their-debts/
When at Luke 4 Jesus reads from Isaiah 61 he is informing the Jews he is mandating return to the Mosaic requirement of periodic debt clean slates. They already knew he was impowered by God based on what they had heard of his wonderous works in Capernaum. So when after reading he sat down and said “fulfilled in your hearing” they were delighted because they assumed he meant forgiveness of the interest-free debts they owed fellow Jews. But then when he inferred they as lenders would be required to forgive the usurious debts by which they had encumbered the gentiles, they were enraged with murderous furry against him because his mandate would void their source of power to control, rob and enslave the gentiles.
The Jew has sought to destroy Jesus, his work and his flock since his announcement at Luke 4 because usury in violation of Mosaic Law is the source of all Jew power and dominance. Truly parasitical.
Eventually the Jews murdered Jesus but his flock carried on and grew to be worldwide with one area becoming almost completely Christian, that being Europe, i.e. “Christendom”.
In about 300 A.D. The Church under Constantine lost sight of the meaning of Jesus’ words in Luke 4, but the Jew never ceased mortal hatred for those of Euro descent which is why to this day #JewHATESwhitey.
The parasite can not survive without it’s power to dominate and enslave via #JewU$URY.
The oldest surviving depictions of Jesus which are from Egypt make him look like a typical eastern Mediterranean – black or very dark brown hair, tawny complexion, big nose, etc. just like people from the eastern Mediterranean look today. Judging by Kurt Knispel’s comments Germans have had all the sense beaten out of them, and their best and brightest have been leaving for a long time.
It is a very interesting aspect of Catholicism. Fr Amorth was a curious fellow. It all seems incredible but yet…
Are you daft? Historically ignorant? Joking around? Machiavelli, greatest political theorist, went to Mass every Sunday. Copernicus, devout Catholic. Columbus, Christian. Alzheimer, Ampere, Bernard, Braille, Cabibo, Casey, Chevreul, Coriolis, Doppler, Descartes, Eccles, Fermat.. How far do you need me to go? John Glenn, Ed White and Frank Borman, in case you’re into astronauts. The list goes on and on. Wake up Price. All that stuff they taught you at Hebrew school about only your peeps being scientists, isn’t true. Sorry.
Not true. The oldest depiction of Jesus is the Sarcophagus of Junius Bassus.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcophagus_of_Junius_Bassus#Other_scenes
Basically Jesus looks like a fair tousled curly headed surfer dude in a Toga.
Know your Christian iconography, Subway Hapajew.
The historical jesus is always invoked as a prelude to claiming Christians misunderstood the poor widdle zionist zealot rabblerouser murdered by the howwible Wohmans.
What Jesus looked according to:
Africans:
Chinese:
Europeans:
Middle Easterners:
Who says that? Someone who is ashamed of his background apparently! Someone who can’t find a single material fault in my comment. Moreover, it is not difficult to be a supremacist in relation to an obvious moron. Let’s see when the Greeks came to Europe from Africa and the Middle East and did they bring mythology and the Olympic spirit from there? Why were the Greeks not soldiers in the army of the Roman empire? Was Greek the official language of Diocletian, Constantine and others? How did the Greeks impose Greek as the official language of the empire when they had neither an emperor nor a general?
I studied the shroud of Turin full time for two years. I started out believing that the image was mysterious and ended up sceptical. I have a site where I discuss the issue.
There are two Hitlers: the one who spoke to the masses (Christian) and the one who spoke to his private circle of friends (anti-Christian). You have been talking about the PR Hitler. Why not talk about the real, sincere Hitler, the anti-Christian one? There is a whole book on the subject, Hitler’s Religion by Richard Weikart (excerpts from his book: here).
Diocletian declared Sirmium (modern Serbia) the capital of the Roman Empire. Dozens of emperors were born in that city or near it. Sirmium was already one of the 4 Roman capitals during the Tetrarchy made up of the Serbian-Roman emperors. Diocletian retired to a village near Sirmium. The capital had 12 mints since the time of Alexander and a colosseum larger than the Roman one. The first Christian diocese was founded in that city by the brother of Saint Peter (James) who visited before going to Rome where he ended up hanged in Nero’s garden.
some children see Him lily white
Unremarkable appearance for a Mediterranean of the time. I’m sure there are others who would look at that and say “look at his fro! He’s a negro!”
Using Jesus as a “weapon of anti-semitism” is silly beyond belief.
On average early depictions of Jesus looked like this:
I see no reason to doubt a man from the eastern Mediterranean looked like a man from the eastern Mediterranean.
It is more than sad but Christianity may ultimately be the death of the White race. It’s always amusing watching Christian White Nationalist go through contortions to deny or rationalize worshiping a Jew. He might have been a Jew, they’ll declare, but the Biblical Jews aren’t the same as the modern Jews blah blah blah. Or watch them try to simultaneously justify a White exclusive ethnostate AND the fact that Jesus loves everyone. Red or Yellow, Black or White, they’re all precious in his sight but we want a White nation??? How does that work?
The thing is this, we were a race of people for 10,000 years, at least, before the monks forced Christianity on us. We don’t need Christian foolishness, but try explaining that to the Saved Ones.
So, how can a little red dot know which one is?
(None of your props are.)
The devil can take on the most splendid form…
and you would take him for it.
Little red dots, man behind curtains, mumble brains etc.
will stay deaf and blind, will keep on spinning that wheel, run in cyrcles
and try to encircle the other (trying to get out), so as not to feel their hoplessness.
I saw once a video where scientists messed with the brain of a poor cat and had a murky picture of what the cat sees. One person came into his view and he decidedly had cat-like facial features.
One reason for icons of Christ is to strengthen our conviction that Christ was a human like us, died like us, and was resurrected in the body, as we will be.
Aristotle and Hellenic scientists, statesmen, and poets were a culture so vastly superior to that of dirty rabbis that comparison is risible.
Niggers believe that if you leave a horse hair in a bottle of water, it will turn into a snake. They believe that a virgin can have a baby, and that a dead man can rise up. These things are also believed by white niggers, of which there will never be a shortage on this earth.
“why were europe’s jews expelled 100 times”
Because Christians protected them from being justly executed.
I stand corrected. But still, Julian the Apostate just hated Christianity and said what he did out of spite. Celsus and Basilides I have never even heard of, thank you for making me look them up. Apparently Basilides proposed that Christ did not really die on the cross, but the hapless Simon of Cyranae was executed instead if him. More far fetched than anything Alex Jones ever came up with, but still, he did not deny the existence of Jesus.
Hercules, Ares and the rest were part of a murky past, with conflicting stories attached to them. Jesus was almost a contemporary to the people you mentioned, and denying his existence did not really happen until his epoch became the murky past, too.
Firstly, if they hate it so much, why do they allow it on radio and TV? They squelch White Nationalism and “antisemitism” with an iron boot, but Jesus gets a pass.
Secondly, post hoc is your logic, not Dalton’s.
Mary is the anglicized form of Maryam, a Jewish name still widely used today. What a basic mistake.
Your points 1 to 6, best take down I have ever heard. Yes, the author, Mr. Dalton left himself wide open with so many assumptions and so much unsubstantiated hearsay.
Thanks!
I modified the url so it can be attached
You mean like the LGBT friendly James Martin, or those who refer to the Holocaust as an actual historical event (and not an artificially magnified and twisted piece of atrocity propaganda). Where can you find on air E. Michael Jones? Or even the non Catholic Rick Wiles?
Seraphim mentioned that the Catholic split from Orthodoxy lead to the Reformation and other ills, but it’s not like Orthodoxy is immune to attacks. I fervently wish for a renaissance of Christianity (not Protestantism!) in Europe, because I attach it to the flourishing and survival of European ethnos and spirit.
True.
William the Bastard as he was known imported Jews from Rouen into England, where before there were no Jews, after defeating King Harold in 1066.
There is a theory that those Jews financed William in order to gain entry into England, where they created havoc and penury before being ejected in 1290.
The “Puritan” regicide and mass murderer Oliver Cromwell reimported them in 1656 to the ongoing ruination of England to present times. England is a de facto talmudic (and lately zionist) State, completely given to serving those causes.
Such influences have naturally spread to all the English-speaking colonies.
Some of them think that they are independent (lol).
Like Palestine, this also is a Nakba, a Catastrophe. For the world in fact.
Initiated by RCC, then Protestant agents of satan.
They may not think of themselves as such, but that has been the actions of their organisations. Presently they are dying, being of no further use to the satanic cause.
Thanks! Extremely fascinating and valuable info IMHO.
I am saving this one to my playlists 🙂
It suggests a physical manifestation of the old wise saying:
“we see the world not as it is, but we see the world as we are”
…. I won’t quote the source for now.
The correlation itself being an example of “as above, so below”.
But there is ample evidence my dear.
Much much more than anything we think historically based to be true that is two millennia old and even more as far as tangible facts are concerned.
I would really like to know what you believe in and and your stance on science.
It would be fun to tear most of them to shreds.
Sorry for being rude but you are asking for it.
The gospels might be a lie because they describe exorcisms and resurrections of the dead. Not because of variations of perspective from one text to another. You also have the obviously silly story of Exodus as the central narrative of The OT.
Moses and Exodus didn’t exist. No one ever questioned his existence in antiquity either yet it’s obvious bullshit about 600,ooo Jews crossing Sinai with a defecting Egyptian priest. The ancients and the Romans and Greeks never appear to have made efforts to refute the very existence of mythic characters. They did tend to piss on the gods of foreigners or co opt them.
Btw if you don’t think that Jesus really did Exorcism’s and a few resurrections he might as well have not existed either. If he didn’t do these wonder works there’s no Jesus there.
Why is such a thing amusing though?
I think Wotan is more your speed KK
Such batshit drivel that all that intelligence, productivity and creativity will be rendered a curse when they stand their sorry pagan godless souls in judgement before the Almighty One. There will be no mercy for those who associate others with God.
Same for all the other pagan godless “intelligent, productive, creative” spiritual morons who worship men & animal-like beings, and place their faith in saints and gurus and all such pagan abominations. Nadella, Pichai, Ajay Banga,… I am looking at all of you.
The earliest Jesus is a bro surfer dude on the tomb of Junius Bassus. This Beardless youth in a toga is how the Romans saw him.
The Apostate was very chummy with the Jews. Suspiciously so.
Paganism didn’t exactly do much to put a brake on Jewish perfidy. Christians did however have the Jewish playbook read so they could anticipate Jewish tricks.
Druids or Shamans would have been too easy to con.
You need your eyesight checked.
This depiction of Jesus, the earliest known looks like a typical white frat boy at a college toga party.
Hey guys,
I am a minor bureaucrat in the peer-reviewed academic journal business. I have been looking for history/humanities articles authored by Thomas Dalton. I can’t find any articles by him. I can’t find the guy. I can’t find where he got his Ph.D. I can’t find out what specialty his Ph.D. was in. I can’t find copies of his doctoral dissertation.
Is Thomas Dalton Ph.D. a real person or a sock puppet? Is he just a pen name for a group of political activists?
Few things, number in article claim seventy five percent in this territory krisjun, would be mistake, numbers, populn more than the cons claim, probable six or seven hund mln, hispanic probably seventy percent krisjun, chinese / east indians are much populn, most not krisjun, whites, only around forty some percent of populn here now, of those sixty or sixty five percent krisjun. Most young people now, not. Probable fifty percent total, though should be None. The destruction because of monotheism and cons ‘state -same cons and fal lowers, more devastating than can be described, fraud wars death of actual good people, fish, animals, chemical scum, con ‘nano’ schemes, artic ice gone -methane releasing destroying sky. so much destruction. what was once actual infinity, or as long natural life energy and the sun lasted.
The cons putting bogus face/head of their fiction -in front of the sun, blocking and stealing the the sun, should be seen as a punch in the face, because it is. It is a punch in the face by the psycho death perv cons.
Real life priority; tribe, weapons, stopping threats against self and earth. Ignorant breeding not on list. Life and earth infinity required effort.
Small caveat on the few Chuck Baldwin types or westborough baptist people, what’s left of them.
According to the Koran he did not die on the cross / got into a coma / his disciples took him off the cross & brought him to ”a Happy Valley”
https://archive.org/details/JesusInIndia/page/n133/mode/2up In 1990 I came across the book ”Jesus Lived In India” of German author Holger Kersten / the coverphoto was in the first edition(s) the Shroud of Turin….
2.06 Leonardo da Vinci had used the camera obscura / 6.37 The photo used at Kerstens book
Other sources say LdV – who as a heretic had nothing with the Bible – took his own face as the model/ funny guy this great artists & inventor / he used his lover Cesare Borja son of Spain born Rodrigo Borja who was Vatican ceo (1492 – 1511) as model for other imagery who are the cradle of imagery in vogue in churches / monasteries to this very day
rec. earlier https://blackhistory.neocities.org/BlackChrist here you’ll find the first sketches of Cesare Borja of LdV starring as JC Superstar….
@ Kurt Knispel ”Jesus was an Aryan” / If u base yourself on the NT you will know that Mary/ Joseph & their baby fled to Egypt to hide from the wrath of the Roman emperor Herodes….
Greek Historian Herodotus – ” the Father of History”- travelled to Egypt and described the Egyptians as Ethiopians (dark skinned / black / sun burnt) / If the three had been white cq Aryan as you assume ) it would have been mission impossible there to hide…
In December 1992 I as local TV producer in Amsterdam at that time- together with a team of TM Transcendental Meditatiion teachers from all over Europe – happened to get direct telephon contact to our big astonishment from the Rotterdam WTC with the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi who was to spend his last 18 years in Limburg the southern most province of the Netherlands. Normally that would have been impossible since his very controlling staff would be the first barrier to talk to /
MMY said to me after I proposed to interview him directly / you can come any time you like….oh I thought thats it & is that all? / still recovering like the others from talking directly to him….
I then raised this book of Holger Kesrten’s Jesus Lived In India / could you explain the connection
between what JC taught & your Vedic Science ( it took me 3-4 minutes to formulate / but MMY gave us that space….
The vid was was about 45 minutes long / don’t have it any longer at my disposal but his first sentences explain a lot /if not everything….:
” I think Ved means Consciousness / Consciousness in Itself is Bliss & when it turns out into the world of objects the Bliss becomes diluted….”
Did not know the word ”diluted’ but in Dutch it means ”verdund” / ”dun” means meager/ Voila The Batlle of Verdun” popped up….
( The Battle of Verdun was fought from 21 February to 18 December 1916 on the Western Front in France. The battle was the longest of the First World War —wiki)
And on the personality of an Enlightened MMY said: ” It does not matter where Christ lived / where Budhha lived/ where Moses lived / Shankara……
(what matters is turn the attention to the Bank within & the a full day to the Market / what he often used as metaphor / compare : Kingdom of Heaven within & everything will be added unto you…)
The paradigm of wat I prefer to call churchianity is the Personality of JC ( JC is the Only Barber / Only He Shaves) / well I don’t buy that para dogma coughed up by the Vatican & the various anti vatican ”Protestant” streams…..
The Personality of any God enlightened is a finger pointing to the Moon ( metaphorically spoken)
Surtout now that it is Christ-all-clear that this historic personality of the Nazarene carpenters son has been manipulated with ( by you know who by now)….
Seek Truth in Meditation / Not in Mouldy Books / Look in the Sky / To find the Moon / Not in the Pond ( from a poem of Kabir / a Sufi Mystic l
Again Pentecost / petticoat ( look it up the meaning of …..in the Urban Dictionary )/ good weekend
CIA O
Dalton’s critique betrays the usual sophomoric misunderstanding. Xtianity is an hellenic “religion” in a continuum with Greek philosophy from at least the pre-Socratics. The NT is composed in figurative language, pre-scientific, not interested in facticity, recording and arranging data and taxonomies. And until the Renaissance, man’s grasp of the meaning of himself & the cosmos was constructed in Myth.
This is the first know representative art depicting Jesus.
He looks like a boyish northwestern European. It’s quite extraordinary really.
Polonius hid behind curtains. Oh Subway Ninja Hapajew.
Dalton was at one point “a handle” used by a commenter on certain rightwing sites by someone saying he was a jew.
Jewish Lies:
1. Judaism itself.
2. Christianity.
3. Marxism.
4. Freudian psychology.
5. Neoconservatism.
6. Critical Race Theory.
7. Covid Hysteria.
8. Transgenderism.
9. International Banking.
10. Islam (Mohammed was a Middle Eastern merchant who was more familiar with the Old Testament than Christianity, any questions?)
I’m also partial to the idea that the atomic bomb itself is a hoax, as Jews seem to be oddly prominent in the atomic bomb programs of both the US and USSR.
not True:
http://realhistoryww.com/world_history/ancient/Misc/Jesus/Jesus.htm
Browse till this fresco appears:
”This fresco of Christ Among the Apostles is in an arcosolium of the Crypt of Ampliatus in the Catacombs of St. Domitilla in Rome. The Catacombs of Domitilla date from the 2nd through 4th centuries. According to W.F. Volbach, “The extent to which the type of the apostolic group as been developed suggests a 4th-century origin” for this particular fresco.”
CIA O
It is amazing that there are so many batshit morons like you who push this utter nonsense of, “(((they))) invented Islam.”
Why would (((they))) invent a religion which rejects their “in-his-image” theology, and whose scriptures record the evil of (((their))) kind? It makes no sense.
Are you albinoniggers so impotent that you can’t handle this Juden virus, a calamity entirely of your making, except by uselessly whining about how (((they))) control everything?
Sheesh!! Don’t you mofers have any self-respect?
C.T.: “Why not talk about the real, sincere Hitler, the anti-Christian one? There is a whole book on the subject, Hitler’s Religion by Richard Weikart …”
Would a sincere anti-Christian paint such a depiction of the baby Jesus and Mary as Hitler did, reproduced above in #288? I find that difficult to believe. What does Weikart say about this painting? If he doesn’t discuss it at all (and I suspect he doesn’t) that should tell you something. Is Weikart a Christian? If so, then it’s not surprising that he should want to say that Hitler was anti-Christian.
As I wrote above, Hitler’s “anti-Christianity” (as you style it) is confined to him opposing what he thinks were corruptions introduced by Paul. Although there is much to criticize in such a crazy, anti-Darwinist philosophy as that espoused by Jesus, he never speaks against Jesus or criticizes anything at all that Jesus is supposed to have said in the Gospels. This suggests to me that he appears to think there’s a “real” Christianity buried underneath Paul’s corruptions; a Christianity to which he’s not necessarily opposed. But how he squared that with the Darwinist strains in his thinking (if he ever was able to) isn’t clear to me. Darwinism leads to atheism, and Hitler was opposed to atheism. Darwinism also implies materialism, but Nazism rejected materialism as Jewish. There’s no easy way to reconcile these contradictions.
As I view him, Hitler was a politician and a bit of a mystic, not a philosopher. He never attempted to explain his religious convictions in any systematic way, and it appears they were sometimes shaped less by reason than by considerations of political expediency. I think it’s quite possible, even probable, that they didn’t make any sense. I have observed that this is often the case with religious beliefs. If so, and given the diversity of scholarly opinion on the subject, then it obviously has left plenty of room for people to suppose anything they wish about Hitler’s religious views. Only Hitler knew for sure what they were, and he can’t tell us because he’s dead.
Stfu nigger.
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Stop it with the stupid cackhanded photoshop.
That’s a new one one me, and I was raised around Niggas.
The Internet Era has introduced such subtle means of propaganda, provocation, and dissimulation! I would not be surprised if “Dalton” turned out to be a sock puppet. But for whom?
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Whites and Christians are very much harmed by the fact that their religion, which has traditionally been a huge part of their identity and culture, centers around a foreign place, and a people that obviously works for their destruction. If I were a writer, I could write books on the topic, because there is so much to cover. It’s hard to state in a post, but the point you want clarified ties well into the point of Jews hating a religion that serves them so well.
Jews don’t hate Christianity. Jews hate whites and Europeans. Jews don’t seem bothered by the Christianity practiced by black Americans, and actively work with black Christians against whites, though the partnership is clearly one where Jews exploit blacks for their own gain. Outside of Israel, the only Christianity that Jews attack is that of whites and Europeans. African, Asian, and Latin American versions of Chritianity are pretty much left alone.
By binding themselves to Jews and the ancient Middle East through religion, westerners have alienated themselves from part of their inner nature and physical surroundings in ways that are harmful. There is nothing buried in the Holy Land that has any relevance to the problems faced by the West and the world today. The more that scholars debate ther finer points of Judausm and Christianity, the more it sinks us all in the quicksand and allows modern Jews to exit us all for their own gain. Wars, chosen status, guilt that has made the rise of Jews possible…..are all problems that we should not have otherwise.
I’m reminded of a situation in the early 2000s when I was driving in the middle of nowhere and saw this little church on the side of the road with a sign welcoming a rabbi giving a speech about religious dialog, and I had seen similar signs in front of other Protestant churches. This place was at least 130 miles from the nearest synagogue, which I drove by daily at the time, that never once advertised an event on its signage about dialogue with Christians, or inviting congregants to listen to a Christian minister.
I’m in a rush, so I don’t gave time to proofread or clarify, but that is a brief overview if my thoughts on the matter.
There are nukes other wise Iran would’ve attacked Israel already.
They know Israel got 300 and that’s what keeps them from doing so.
You are so misinformed, and you don’t care about making things up either. Just because you grab hold of Table Talk (1942-44) to “prove” an anti-Christian Hitler doesn’t mean that it conveys the total personality of the Fuehrer. When he was just getting started (1920-23), he even identified with “Christ” to carry his message to the German people. He tried to start a national German Christian Church during the 1930s, but the Protestants wouldn’t unify so it failed. The Christian clergy began to object to his policies that were pro-German over pro-Church, which led to disagreements during wartime. An example was the traitorous group named the White Rose Society (Church over State) which can’t be tolerated by a national leader.
So there were NOT ‘two Hitlers’ and it’s wrong to say so. Richard Weikart is just another writer trying to make money off writing about the most famous man in the world, Adolf Hitler. And you are a small version of the same. I’m sorry to have to say it bc I personally find you a sympathetic and likeable figure. But your erroneous and imaginary perspective on AH and the NSDAP shouldn’t be tolerated.
Possibly “Vincent Clapperton” and a few other real Germans could engage here and set you straight. I’ve thought that possibly “Brosi” got his start with you, CT.
The Jews, the enemies of Christ since the Crucifixion, have been trying to destroy Christianity.
This is the Jew “Thomas Dalton” continuing the tradition, cleverly disguised as a non-Jew.
The religion of man, the unholy trinity: Me; Myself; and I.
Gaia worship: the trees are sacred. We have power over the climate. Hysterical.
Animal worship (bestiality) is currently promoted, under the guise of virtue signalling.
Exactly what is spirit ? Is it immortal ? Then who produced it (before you engaged it) ?
The same error as Kant; Descartes; and the rest of the drug pushers.
(Hint” mummy and daddy playing hide-the-sausage cannot produce a spirit being).
This hit piece is more accurately “there is no God”, rather than the presented “there is no Christ”. A not-very-good Satanic article promoting the destruction of God in the West, arguing the same old superficial nonsense and alleged discrepancies, in an ocean of such articles.
One finds out when one dies, and then it is too late.
Thanks for spelling out some of the possible historical background behind The Revelation of John. Much to think about. Although you are right to point out some of the Mad-magazine/comic-book aspects of the Revelation, I think it’s premature to just “throw The Revelation into the trash.” After all, it is a mixture of both the comic and the tragic – I think literary critics call this style “burlesque” – so it has to be analyzed completely to determine it’s true meaning.
666 is an important number in The Revelation because it is explicitly presented as a riddle; but there is also the secret name to be revealed to the faithful as well as all of the other mysterious numbers besides 144,000, including the cube of 12,000 and also 1260, which is mentioned 5 times.
It may be premature to settle on just one meaning for such numbers as 666, since the ancients believed in overdetermination, rather than strictly linear causality – hence interest in numerology, astrology, etc. 666 has a musical significance as well as a political significance, as the musicologist Ernest McClain shows in his books, now available for free download at the website memorializing his work: https://ernestmcclain.net/
McClain’s work is very difficult to wade through because musical terminology is confusing and the problems of tuning that confronted early musicians are very alien to us. However, his work is worthwhile to study, since the numbers used in tuning theory keep turning up in places you wouldn’t expect them, in the writings of Josephus, for example, when describing numbers of survivors of military campaigns. It this a clue that we are not to consider the writings as history per se, but propaganda or secret communication of some sort?
We also find these tuning-theory-related numbers in Genesis, in the Vedas, in the Koran, in some of the other gospels, in the architecture of Ankor Watt, in Scandinavian mythology, in the Egyptian Book of the Dead, and even the surviving writings of the Maya. So, the numbers used in The Revelation reveal the author{s} to be curiously cosmopolitan and even internationalist in sensibility. Who are these authors and in what world did they actually live?
Perhaps, as you suggest, they are Jewish elites writing propaganda against the Romans, but it is also possible that these authors are a faction of the Roman elites attempting a takeover of the nascent Christian religion by appealing to victim psychology among the Jews who have suffered under other Roman rulers, rulers whom an opposing Roman elite faction wish to demonize and yet continue to deify at the same time (past Caesars remain deified in their eyes because they were deified by the Roman senate).
There is some evidence of this in the text. Prior to Domitian, five Roman Caesars were deified by the senate. They were, in order of deification, Julius, Augustus, Claudius, Vespasian, and Titus. They appear as 5 of the 7 angels that blow their trumpets in the Revelation, starting with the pattern of perfect fifths (cuts of the octave by 3). To wit:
“The first angel blew his trumpet, and there followed hail and fire, mixed with blood, which fell on the earth, and a third of the earth was burnt up and a third of the trees were burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up. – Consider the possibility that this angel is Julius, whose famous military exploits were all land campaigns. This will become more obvious as the other trumpets proceed to blow.
The second angel blew his trumpet, and something like a great mountain, burning with fire, was thrown into the sea; and a third of the sea became blood, a third of the living creatures in the sea died, and a third of the ships were destroyed. – Augustus, the second deified Caesar, was famous for his victory in a naval battle against Mark Anthony.
The third angel blew his trumpet, and a great star fell from heaven, blazing like a torch, and it fell on a third of the rivers and on the fountains of water. The name of the star is Wormwood. A third of the waters became wormwood, and many men died of the water, because it was made bitter. – Claudius, the third deified Caesar, was allegedly poisoned to death. Shakespeare was aware of the connection, as he repeatedly makes Hamlet mutter under this breath, “wormwood,” when around Claudius. Claudius is portrayed as a falling star in the imperial tradition of emperors being stars in the sky
The fourth angel blew his trumpet, and a third of the sun was struck, and a third of the moon, and a third of the stars, so that a third of their light was darkened, a third of the day was kept from shining, and likewise a third of the night. – This corresponds to the consulship of the fourth deified Caesar, Vespasian. As noted by Pliny, “For the eclipse of both sun and moon within 15 days of each other has occurred even in our time, in the year of the third consulship of Vespasian.” – Pliny the Elder, Natural History, II, X. 57.
And the fifth angel blew his trumpet, and I saw a star fallen from heaven to earth, and he was given the key of the shaft of the bottomless pit; He opened the shaft of the bottomless pit, and from the shaft rose smoke like the smoke of a great furnace, and the sun and the air were darkened with the smoke from the shaft. Then from the smoke came locusts on the earth and they were given power like the power of scorpions of the earth; they were told not to him the grass of the earth or any green growth or any tree, but only those of mankind who have not the seal of God upon their forehead; they were allowed to torture them for five months, but not to kill them, and their torture wa like the torture of a scorpion, when it stings a man… – The fifth deified Caesar, Titus, utilized catapults, so-called “scorpions” in the alleged seize of Jerusalem. He was personally present at the seize for 5 months.
Then the sixth angel blew his trumpet, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar before God, saying to the sixth angel who had the trumpet, “Release the four angels who are bound at the great river Euphrates.” So the four angels were released, who had been held ready for the hour, the day, the month, and the year, to kill a third of mankind. Domitian, in his campaign against the Moesians, released Roman legions at the Euphrates.
The seventh angel – the mystery guest! A puzzle to figure out like the beast with 666. All this is covered in an essay by Joseph Atwill which appears in his book, “Shakesphere’s Secret Messiah. I think his essay on the Revelation is more meticulously argued than his more famous writing.
Perhaps he blogger at this site who likened us all to pet parrots gazing at a computer screen is on to something. We are mesmerized by blasts from the past, but probably will not completely figure out the creations confronting us nor completely understand their wily creators. Another state of consciousness is needed.
KWNL The Soundtrack of the White Nationalist Life 186.1; continuing with 33 of your favorite hits in a row!
The Jews (reluctantly) tolerate Christianity in the United States because the Americans have the first amendment (right to free speech). Also, a huge chunk of the US Christian population are ‘useful idiots’ i.e. Christian Zionists.
If the Jews had their way the entire New Testament would be banned in Europe on the grounds that it constitutes “hate speech”. They can’t push for this as it would leave their own hateful religious writings (the Talmud) open to scrutiny.
The Jewish media went into full on attack mode against the Catholic Church during the child sex abuse crisis and conveniently ignored the off the charts levels of child sexual abuse within their own communities (approximately 50% of Hasidic Jewish men have been molested by their rabbis).
Thanks so much for fixing the URL, LitttleRedDot.
The lyrics beautifully express the reason Providence may have allowed such diverse depictions of Jesus Christ to exist down through history and around the world.
Or, as Harold Hill describes it, “From GOO to YOU by way of the ZOO.”
That low-brow back-of-the-hand to the theory of evolution will illicit eye-rolls from the “Science!” contingent. There are, however, a few agnostic/atheistic scientists who are intellectually honest enough to admit that evolution is no less an impossible-to-verify-through-recreation hypothesis than are faith-based origin stories.
It is not my intention to discuss these things in The Unz Review. Those with an open mind can read the excerpts from Richard Weikart’s book that we published on my blog and decide for themselves whether Hitler was Christian or anti-Christian.
Here I can only link to these words that the Führer uttered about Christianity before his private circle of friends. (Of course: Hitler would never say such things in public.)
I do not say that Hitler was perfect. Like all Westerners of his time, he was very confused about religion. It is clear though that he went through stages and that, increasingly, he realised that Christianity was a very bad thing.
As for his belief that Jesus did exist and that he was an Aryan, these ideas were very common in National Socialism (see for example The Myth of the Twentieth Century, a 1930 book by Alfred Rosenberg, the NS intellectual par excellence). And as can be seen in my blog, until 2018 I myself believed that a mortal, human Jesus had existed! Only Richard Carrier’s work, published long after Hitler died, changed my worldview.
There are also texts by the younger Nietzsche in which he piously praises Christianity. Very, very pious indeed. But over the years Nietzsche matured.
To understand Hitler one has to weigh his whole spiritual odyssey, which includes the pious quotes you mention, with the Hitler of the 1940s, which reflects the mature man.
Weikart does a good job even though he is a Christian. On my website, I have done similar things with liberals like Karlheinz Deschner (Criminal History of Christianity) and Tom Holland (Dominion). Never mind that the latter two are liberals. Like Weikart their scholarship is solid. Of the super-liberal Carrier (practically a Woke man!) we could also say the same. His scholarship is solid even though he leaves a lot to be desired as a person.
I invite those with an open mind to read Weikart’s book, or at least my excerpts.
To be certain, there was no Jew that walked this planet named Jesus, and no one ever since. There was a Jew named Immanuel, who was mentioned by the prophet Isaiah (Isa 14:7), that would be a prophet, and help humanity. Jesus’s name was a man-made construct, who never existed. The Christian Bible is a history of cobbled together stories intended to subjugate human beings to Christianity. There is a book entitled Talmud Jmmanuel, who was written by none other than Immanuel’s closest disciple named Judas Ischerioth, who was the only disciple who could write. He followed him, and documented his teachings, which never claimed he was the son of God. He was crucified, but he never had his side punctured by a centurion’s spear. He had followers, and friends from India, who nursed him back to health as he lay lay in the tomb of Zacharias, which incidentally had a front entrance, and another one in the back, with the aid of his friends, escaped from the tomb. He traveled throughout, settled in India, and died at the ripe age of 123.
aye.
“It is not my intention to discuss these things in The Unz Review ” with Carolyn Yeager because she knows too much and has already forced me to change or take down what I put on my blog several times …
but I will discuss these things with Robert Morgan, who doesn’t know as much and I can hold my own better with him.
LOL, C.T., you are really quite the simpleton. The content on your blog is mainly cut&paste from other authors, who can be just as wrong as you are. You “believe” them because they’re saying what you believe and fits your narrative. Okay, that’s not unusual. However, saying that Hitler hid his true feelings from the German people is a supposition or theory of yours, not a demonstrated fact. All Hitler scholars do not agree with that supposition (and you are not a Hitler scholar).
What I most want to emphasize, though, is that AH did not take religion all that seriously, as you make out with your ‘theories.’ He knew the German people took it seriously and he had no intention of interfering with them on it. In addition, his party members took it seriously, both for and against, and it was an object of sharp disagreement within the party. But what AH cared about in all this was that his programs & policies move forward, and of course toward the end the progression of the war was topmost over everything. Adolf Hitler talked about anything & everything that came up during the evening and nighttime dinner table discussions, simply to relax himself & take his mind off the battles taking place at the Front that he could do nothing to influence at that point. Also, Germans are used to engaging in “forward thinking” so that’s what they did some of the time. It didn’t mean that what they talked about was necessarily going to happen, nor did they have any set expectations or preparations. It was just talk. Similar to what goes on here, haha.
Ask some old-ass country niggers. They believe in shit like ghosts too, like whites buh-lieve in demons, ask any irish catholic about that last one.
For the ‘limited hangout operations’ masquerading as ‘anti-Jewish’.
No. The other cheek is to be turned only to ill-behaved people who share the faith nevertheless. The enemies to be loved are the inimici, that is to say unamicable persons within the fold. It is not applicable to the hostes, external enemies that have declared war against the faith and against goodness. Jesus followed all the Jewish prescriptions about the treatment to subject the pagan nations to, at a time that severity was waning off among Jews thanks to prestige of universalistic Greek philosophical culture that was spreading from not too far Alexandria. If anything, Jesus just defined his in-group much more restrictively as he saw that his official religion was corrupt and had become a matter of money : his conclusion was that the modern Jews of his times had become a pagan nation like any other. Jesus was against the pursuit of personal revenge to defend one’s ego, but not of group revenge.
Actually you cannot imagine a more perfected group moral than that of Christianity : wherever in the world that religion predominated for real it fostered nationalism as an immediate side effect, as opposed to the cosmopolitan globalist ideology that was adopted by the Roman Empire from the Greek philosophers that had managed to adapt their teaching to it in exchange for privileges and protection : the barbarian invasions were actually nothing more that formerly conquered nations like Gaul that reappeared and asked back for their independence.
The proof of it is that as soon as Christianity was known to spread it was renowned for its deadly intolerance against presumed wrong-thinkers. Jesus was far from being against personal weapons when it came to defend the group : when himself was about to be put to death he asked his closest companions to sell their most precious goods to buy swords. Jesus didn’t talk much about the personal afterlife : even though his teaching does imply it, he insisted much more about the kingdom of God and its judgements romping onto Earth to destroy all pagan nations. In that way he was very different from the Buddha who started right away by courses of meditation directed at erasing the material world together with personal existence to the world of pure metaphysical bliss. Monachism would enter Christian tradition much later on, maybe four centuries later.
Jajajaja
(Wait, that’s laughing in Spanish, let me do it in English for the Americans),
Hahahaha..
super funny shit that just occurred to me..
The one eyed guy who placed his feet on Pelosi’s desk got 17 years…!
The funny part is that it occurred to me that Donald Trump and Ivanka will visit him every week and bring him some soap so that he drops it in the bathroom !!
Look out!
(Look out with one eye, wink, wink 😉)
אמריקאים מטומטמים
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Well, I must say after spending a day reading so much of this tread it is puzzling that everything revolving around Christ isn’t settled science once and for all? Two thousand plus years of history and were still in the dark about the historicity of Christ and Christianity?
St. Paul said something quite interesting:
My message and my preaching were not with wise and persuasive words, but with a demonstration of the Spirit’s power, so that your faith might not rest on human wisdom, but on God’s power. 1 Corinthians 2:4-6
Stop and consider this for a moment St. Paul spending his life and work on history and words basing his faith on just that alone with no demonstration of God’s power. St. Paul nor any of the apostles themselves weren’t university profs asking questions and looking backwards but were a people who actually lived and saw the truth. They were living witnesses who were changed by what they actually saw and dramatically so! They weren’t into reading and asking questions though St. Paul certainly was that in the beginning and deceived by it. They died for what they believed. Would you suffer and die for Darwinian Evolutionism?
Alas though God’s power? Seems to be missing doesn’t it in today’s Christianity? It’s all just preaching and isn’t that in itself quite odd? It’s in fact quite absurd this view that faith is blind because God can’t observed to exist. What a statement to make which goes to the incredible lack of education in Biblical matters. Did you not know that the exact opposite to this argument is true? that God in fact can be observed to exist. One will find it in just one verse in fact:
See, the storm of the Lord
will burst out in wrath,
a whirlwind swirling down
on the heads of the wicked.
20
The anger of the Lord will not turn back
until he fully accomplishes
the purposes of his heart.
In days to come
you will understand it clearly. Jeremiah 23:19-21
Climate change if any bothered to pay close attention to the Bible will find that it is the work of God. But alas what began and ends with the story of Noah just gets laughed at and ridiculed but may I hopefully drive some fear into ones heart because what occurred with Noah was only the start of it all. One will find that everything about current climate change is explained and explained quite well in Holy Scripture right down to droughts. In fact, guess who said what is surely the single greatest sentence ever said or written by anyone in the entire of history of mankind on climate change?
For if people do these things when the tree is green, what will happen when it is dry?”
Two other men, both criminals, were also led out with him to be executed. Luke 23:30-32
Study the history of Israel and one will find some startling promises from God to that nation about droughts!!! Wow!!!
Yes, one will find in biblical history past, present and future everything anyone needs to know about current climate change and the why of it all. Were being lied to don’t you know. Industrial pollution has got nothing whatsoever to do with the weather. Its rather about the pollution of sin. and I should know I wrote the only book on the subject. The only one ever written period fulfilling those words:
“In days to come you will understand it perfectly.”
Alas though a rewrite is needed with a proper title Welcome to God World instead of Climate Change the Work of God which fulfills completely Carl Sagans:
“Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof ”
which of course the Bible and its history and the amazing miracles in Church history which I have fully documented has always done. I did it!!!!!!!!!!!
And lastly, I’d suggest the reader think well on the sentence and words that came before Luke 23:
Then
“‘they will say to the mountains, “Fall on us!”
and to the hills, “Cover us!”’
Got to wonder if we haven’t arrived to Mathew 24 -25?
Two thousand years plus and we have learned little to nothing? Wow or woe rather!!!!
I am unsure as to why anti-intellectual sewage like this article is published on the Unz Review, for the author clearly knows close to little about the subject and probably cares not to conduct any serious inquiry into the matter, but a quick peek into the comments section reveals that the readers know just as much, which is nothing at all–I am extremely unimpressed. That Americans and so-called academics know so little about Catholicism and the history of Christianity speaks volume on the efficacy of Satanic brainwashing or indoctrination and the resulting mess of a country that I and many other young adults have been so unfortunate to inherit, but there exists a very simply answer to the silly thesis this article proposes: Jesus is God, the second Person of the Trinity, and He dwelt among us in the form of a man. Those who scoff at such a statement or experience mental friction when attempting to comprehend it lack supernatural faith and are blind to the spiritual realm that exists invisibly next to ours, and I would recommend to anyone reading this comment to watch a video on YouTube, titled “Magicians Prove a Spiritual World Exists”, since it proves irrefutably that “magicians” collaborate with devils to produce false “miracles”.
christianity came out of the Alexandrian School. The Alexandrian School was a proto-Frankfurt School where the jews in Alexandria specialized in taking existing religions and repackaging them with slave-making ethos and a jewish messiah. christianity is repackaged Zoroastrianism and an extinct imperial cult centered around the royal house of Adiabene. Christianity was targeted towards the Aryan Parthians/Persians. Philo of Alexandria did christianity.
All sources are listed here: https://www.christcuck.org/
And for any White European that is triggered by this I want to remind you that the Asatru Folk Assembly exists and that you should join them! Jews are only 2% of the population and because they are extremely ethnocentric and politically motivated they project a considerable amount of influence in the political theater. But what if this was replicated by another highly ethnocentric and politically motivated religion such as Asatru (specifically the Asatru Folk Assembly). What would be the political ramifications if this group reached 2% of the population or 5%, or 10%? The Asatru Folk Assembly might actually gives us a fighting chance!
The second angel blew his trumpet, and something like a great mountain, burning with fire, was thrown into the sea; and a third of the sea became blood, a third of the living creatures in the sea died, and a third of the ships were destroyed. – Augustus, the second deified Caesar, was famous for his victory in a naval battle against Mark Anthony.
Signifies a naval battle?
More like the Tunguska Meteorite Event, isn’t that what St. John was actually trying to describe? And imagine if you would that Tunguska Event hitting the ocean? The fallout would have been global? Further do a study on the dates and timing and you’ll be saying to yourself yikes, and that’s just too much of a coincidence to be a coincidence.
As for 666 isn’t the clue to what it actually is found in what follows about ‘no one being able to buy or sell unless one had the mark in either their head or hand.’ If you think about the QR Code and c0mputerization and now this Central Bank desire to do away completely with cash in favor of digital currency https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/markets-by-sector/foreign-exchange/usd/fed-now-launch-july-2023/ I think we now know about 666 computerization!!!
Sir
I wonder, did they have tooth paste back then?.
Also, why isn’t America mentioned in the bible.
Thanks
It’s for homework.
By the way the solution to climate change is also found in the bible its really quite simple and no I’m not going to provide that so easily here. Further God is a military commander with His own weapons the weather being of course the best. It is why we find and read in Nahum:
The LORD is slow to anger but great in power; the LORD will not leave the guilty unpunished. His way is in the whirlwind and the storm, and clouds are the dust of his feet.
A similar sentence can be found in Job where we read:
Have you entered the storehouses of the snow, Or have you seen the storehouses of the hail, Which I have reserved for the time of distress, For the day of war and battle? Job 38:22
Asks the question if it wasn’t for that Ice storm of the Century over the Eastern Seaboard of the US the year before 9/11 would the attack have come before the turn of the Millennium and not after? Accordingly did that ice storm spare the US and world from a greater disaster? Again from Job:
God’s voice thunders in marvelous ways;
he does great things beyond our understanding.
6
He says to the snow, ‘Fall on the earth,’
and to the rain shower, ‘Be a mighty downpour.’
7
So that everyone he has made may know his work,
he stops all people from their labor.[a]
8
The animals take cover;
they remain in their dens.
9
The tempest comes out from its chamber,
the cold from the driving winds.
10
The breath of God produces ice,
and the broad waters become frozen.
11
He loads the clouds with moisture;
he scatters his lightning through them.
12
At his direction they swirl around
over the face of the whole earth
to do whatever he commands them.
13
He brings the clouds to punish people,
or to water his earth and show his love.
Ignore the Bible and its teachings to your own hurt.
Rodney Stark…”Conversion is primarily an act of conformity.”
Sob, I’d have to unfortunately agree with this. How do we change it is the important question and for that a song comes to mind:
that and what Christ said about if I be lifted up will draw all men to me.
Can we start working on that? It’s really the only way to save our dying world which is dying isn’t it?
#428 @deadname
That’s because you let your stupidity do the driving. I didn’t want to taint the thread by reposting your entire spew, interested parties have the post number, but you do seem extremely stupid and perhaps wilfully malinformed.
SPQR motherfucker. Like I said, stupid.
Garbage article, you lost me at “no evidence that Jesus existed”. Do your research there is an abundance of contemporaneous evidence that he did by writers that were not Christian let alone the apostles and earky disciples.
I pray that you will do your research. Read “Surprised by Truth” by Patrick Madrid, or call into his morning show on Relevant Radio, I have heard him address this argument many times.
[@Joe Levantine, you can shove “da covenant” up your ass]
Sounds like a frustrated and angry White Nationalist spewing his venom.
[You seem like an apologist type]
Hardly so. For I never argued or tried to convince anyone of the veracity of Christian dogma. What is celebrated as intrinsic to Christianity, from the birth of the saviour to a mortal woman, till the resurrection of Christ as being part of the holy trinity, I never considered to be a subject that belongs to the realm of logic the way we define logic based on the human five senses. However, if we expand our horizon to a cosmic scale, then many concepts that seem illogical in our tiny peace of real estate called Earth could acquire a new legitimacy.
“da covenant” is an idea I learnt about while reading Douglas Reed’s book “ The Controversy of Zion”, the standard book of reference to most White Nationalists. Does it explain something pertinent to our world, not withstanding its historical veracity? Well it sure does shed light on the origin of Jewish ethnocentrism. No more and no less.
I understand that many of you Westerners were born in a Christian world that you blame for the Jewish yoke you are suffering from. To make a long story short, I will stress the undeniable fact that Christian Europe did preserve her identity for many centuries, and it was the secular, dumbo-cratic Europe that lapsed into a demographic deficit and the Jewish engineered great replacement of the White race. Hitler was a deist and hardly a Christian but he nonetheless admitted that to get rid of religion one has to replace it with something equally powerful.
But trust me when I say that when you and your ilk decide to move back to paganism through Nature worship, I will not feel any sense of urgency to get you back to your burdensome Christian faith, and I would be the first one standing ashore waving my white handkerchief while your boat is sailing into the horizon towards the land of the runes. I would rather see Christianity shrink from its current mass to a few hundred millions living the way Byzantium did for more than a thousand years thanks to her understanding of how to deal with the Jew until she was mortally wounded in 1204 by White European Christian robbers.
What you unjustly accuse me of, you had better pin on the Christian Zionists who are the disgrace of the White race having swallowed the Jewish lie of Israel, hook , line and sinker. If you go back to my posts on UR, you will notice that I never spared the Catholic Church from excoriating criticism for their cowardly surrender to Zion, papal infallibility be damned.
True Christianity can be summarised down to its basic tenets: love and truth, and this is what made the Judean hierarchy dead set on killing the messenger. Meanwhile I would appreciate your trying to kick White Westerners, wallowing in a world of hate and lies, out of the trance in which they put themselves under the craftiness of Jewish materialism. And good luck to you for you will need it.
What about the ‘holocaust’?
Not logical.
That Iran thinks there are nukes and acts accordingly does not necessarily mean there are nukes.
You are on the right path by rejecting these “old ancient long haired pagan hippies from the Middle East/India/Greece” pagan faiths.
Older than?
You still make the mistake of dating this “celestial entity.”
How about a Creator who has existed before time began, and will exist after time ends. Who is neither born, nor begets, nor dies.
The only faith then which satisfies your beliefs is Islam, but don’t tell me your racist prejudices get in the way of recognising that!
That will be a shame, won’t it?!
#433 silviosilver
“When people dump Christianity,(…)”
You Christians are such predictable… if you can’t someone force to obey then you try to scare him.
“Fear and obey” are determinants of Christianity.
Humanity has existed at least 200 000 years without Christianity.
All abrahamic religions (Judaism, Christianity, Islam) are agressive religions and want to conquere world.
They must be actively opposed or we will become slaves.
Of course, you are right when you wrote:
(…) they go “full woke” vs “full nazi” at a ratio of like 999:1. So much for “muh rationality.”
We don’t need to replace one totalitarian ideology (Christianity, Judaism, Islam) with other totalitarian ideology (consumerism, hedonism, NWO-nism etc.).
But that is a staff for another discussion.
No matter how “accurate” these oral transmissions may have been, the core theology, as we stand witness now, is irredeemably convoluted and full of deceit.
The pagan polytheist nature of the faith is what has doomed it, and its followers. You pagan godless can’t crawl your way out this spiritual quicksand. More and more of your kind are beginning to see it, by the grace of the Almighty One.
Perhaps a Vatican Council III is in order. The order of business… to revise Christian theology to…
If you guys so desire, a small addendum could be…
Just imagine, you would no longer need to quote this pathetic explainer of the Divine…
God is like Ice/Water/Vapour.
What you quote from my post is neither an assertion nor a negation from my side. The truth of the matter is that I simply don’t know, and while I might a have tendency towards a theory or another, I never treat any historical narrative as the undisputed truth.
All I was alluding to is that the most common tale of history under feudalism is that when the master dies or is vanquished, the troops ( followers) disband. Think of the Holy Roman Emperor Frederick Barbarossa, who drowned in the Saleph river while on his way to the third crusade and how his army with a clear hierarchy just folded. Or equally of how King Harold’s army just gave up after he was mortally wounded in the battle against William the Conqueror. And history is rife with such occurrences. So, if the NT narrative is assumed to be true, one has to wonder what made the disciples continue with their mission without heeding the possibility of dying. After all, those were a bunch from the lower strata of society who should have given up once their master died on a cross, especially that they were convinced that their master was the saviour of the world.
[Not one of the NT books was written by anyone who ever met a historical Jesus – e.g. the key source for the Life of Jesus, G.Mark, may at best have been written by the secretary of Peter in Rome –…]
It is only normal to have some discrepancies among the different gospels, for if four witnesses were asked for their testimony on an event that they all saw, no two testimonies would be exactly the same. Despite small variations it is important to look into context to draw a conclusion.
[may at best have been written by the secretary of Peter in Rome]
Here I am amazed that for all of your skepticism, you tend to believe in the story of Peter in Rome. In his book “From Yahweh to Zion” Guyenot goes on to explain how the claimed “Donation of Constantine” whereby Constantine transferred his authority over the Western regions of the empire to the Pope ( Sylvester I ) was nothing more than a forgery made in a pontifical scriptorium. This Roman forgery derives from the unsupported claim that Saint Peter traveled to Rome where he was martyred so that the bishop of Rome can claim that the Vatican is the see of Saint Peter and thus the Pope can assume uncontested authority over the other Christian patriarchal sees of Constantinople, Antioch and Alexandria.
This papal insistence on being the supreme leader rather than first among equals led to the Great Schism of 1054.
While such kind of history may not interest you, it should remind all of us that history has many faces and it is for us to pick and chose according to our logic and TO OUR HEART.
As for reminding me of those who risk life and limb for a false belief, I respond that beliefs are peculiar to each one of us. There is simply no universality when it comes to beliefs. Christianity was one way to avoid bloody conflict if Christians were to stick to the core tenets of the Christian message, alas, Churchianity transformed the message into something sinister.
The author doesn’t belief in Jesus, but he obviously believes in the timeline.. The timeline, is obviously a hoax take for example the city Rom. He thinks Rom is 2.000+ years old but Roms oldest house is from 950 AD.
Jesus’ death was supposedly 32 years after zero but the circumstances of his death show something different, During his torture on the cross there was an earthquake and darkness fell over the land.
Russian computer specialist found that these event was many hundred years later and happened what is now Turkey
So Jesus crucifixion was much later.
The Bible is wrong about this date and place.
I understand the “criticism” narrative. A salient doctrine of the NT (Old as well, though) declares the electing grace of God in that elect person. Narcissism is just an epithet. If the doctrine is true, then it is true. The Scriptures are replete with this doctrine. I was raised in the Episcopal Church from an infant. The experience was very good for me as a child. The memories are fond ones. But I was not “converted” until I was 18. This is the New Birth Jesus speaks of in John cp. 3. Elsewhere, of course, does the Bible teach this spiritual regeneration of the elect person. I understood nothing of this doctrine or much of any of them that day I believed from the heart. I understood the gospel message then in front of me – that the Jesus of the gospel narratives was, indeed, the Son of God and Savior of those who Believed. Perhaps my very first thought, and it entirely amazed me because I had been fully persuaded that any religious sentiment was very largely the result of someone’s being “born into it” as you remark – was that “It was TRUE…all along.” Jesus was and is truly the Savior of all who put their faith in Him.
Not that I’m a fan of the MSM but the New York Times used to report regularly about this problem around 20 years ago when I still read that rag.
Thank you so much. Always enjoy your illumined comments. They provide much inspiration on our frequently challenging path. God bless you too!
And yet, isn’t it true that for the greatest part of their history European Christians had no problem discriminating against and even reviling Jews?
Or would you argue that it was in virtue of Christianity’s Jewish origins that Jews were able to exercise what little influence they could in European lands (“little,” yet in certain times and places, “substantial”)?
Let God arise. Let His enemies be scattered. Let those who hate Him flee from His holy face.
Better than sharing Hell with all you pretty albinoniggers. Only it will be kind of difficult to see all that dazzling beauty because your skins would have peeled off. 😀
Good heavens! Who did this to you?
No, you pagan vermin…
Jews say: “god” created man in his image.
Christians say: “god” created man in his image.
Both these accursed faiths share the same foundation, can’t you see and hear that? Both you pagan scum quote this chunky pagan sewage every single day.
The whole pagan abomination of “son of god” came from the idea that “god” is human-like. Only by human-like did this “god” of yours beget a “son,” right? (a quick aside: just be thankful that your fucking priests did not cook up a theology which states, “god” created elephant in his image, like the dot-dindoos have done)
It does not matter that the judenscum hate Christianity or Christ, they gave your lot the foundation of your spirituality, as godless as it is.
The Judeo-Christian construct is testament to that shared spiritual foundation. It makes complete sense.
@Sarita
Why isn’t America mentioned in the bible?
I’m afraid it actually may be since Washington is a city built on 7 hills. Revelation 17:9
At one time it stood for the City of Rome, at least that is the historical geographical consensus. The Rome of today though is a far cry from the Rome of yesterday. Roads no longer lead to her doorsteps her military is no more. She is also no port city as described in Revelation. For that the one city that stands above all in the world of men is Washington, DC or maybe New York with its own 7 hills. Her money is the power of the world and her wealth is well you surely know yes?
As for tooth paste lol maybe they had no need of it given food was not of the industrialized sugary kind as it is today? They however, must have had plenty of problems with parasites which is how the great glutton king Herod died. Being eaten by worms was an interesting judgment for accepting the title of being a god and the one true God simply gave his little creatures the voracious appetite for it! lol Is this why we find it written:
It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of a Living God.”
Shut the fuck up, why are you posting the same worthless comment under six different brand new handles?
Because you have nothing valuable to say, and nobody responds to your worthless whining?
Keep waving your arms and saying “abundant evidence”. It’s very persuasive.
That’s just more of the “Jews are always innocent victims” crap that I am fed up with and refuse to entertain, because it is obviously not true. One only has to look around to see the nature of Jews.
And Jews have always lived as minorities in the lands of others, yet they still exist in large numbers and with wealth and privilege. Jews have clearly not faced any sort of genocide or great persecution in most places where they have lived, and I don’t believe much that is claimed about the so-called Holocaust. Jews have always been bitter about their outsider status, but they are outsiders, want to be outsiders, and are mostly toxic outsiders. And now that they have Israel, most refuse to go there, and stay where they are destroying their hosts and often for the benefit of Israel, which makes them parasites and nation wreckers by definition.
What I do know is that the America until very recent times was a very different, and far superior place, and the Jewish influence was kept behind the curtain on a national level, and was almost unknown at the local level in most places. None of that is the case now, and we are far worse for it. If Christianity has to die for people to wake up to the Jewish menace, so be it. I just don’t understand why Jews are so stupid that they push for the destruction of a religion and society that has treated them so well, as if chaos and instability will be good for any but the very elite Jews, if even they escape.
Childish articles like this, full of inaccuracies, innuendos, and approximation, are easily attacked by any Christian with a modicum of understanding. If I, a pagan, find them laughable, imagine how convincing they will sound to a deluded Christian.
While there are different motives from atheists, you only have to look at the gross UFO phenomenon. It’s plausible from a rational perspective but alien landings etc are not proven yet widely believed. They barely existed as a thought before ww2 and even before that you had HGWells and Flashgordon.
No substantial evidence for alien contact and landings but…
I’m saying the opposite, that it is completely pertinent to the present discussion.
If you know beforehand that whites dumping Christianity causes them to overwhelmingly go full woke, then I have to wonder just you think is being gained by shitting on Christianity.
Christianity is highly problematic for racialists, no two ways about it, but among Americans pro-white attitudes are highly correlated with Christian belief. Any serious pro-white simply has to take that into account.
It’s not as simple as “choosing” what people will end up believing. That only works on paper or in your imagination. In the real world, you can’t just order up your preferred outcome.
I simply said that European Christians had no problem discriminating against them and reviling them. I didn’t say anything about them always being “innocent victims.” If it helps, just add “- and for good reason” to my first sentence and try responding to that point.
And to be clear, I’m not claiming they were always reviled. My point is simply that anybody who felt a need to revile them could simply go ahead and do so without feeling any great need to apologize for it. I really don’t see how Christian belief was ever an obstacle to this, except among the sort of softies who’d admonish you that “we’re all God’s children,” which probably exist in every society, regardless of the specific religious beliefs of that society.
Where is the evidence that Hebrew language or culture existed before the Septuagint? Oh, you don’t have any?
Is monotheism just an excuse to hate and kill people?
Points of refutation:
1. “We can say this with confidence because there is no—literally, zero—contemporaneous evidence for his existence, either as a miracle-working Son of God, or even as a rather ordinary rabbi.”
With very few exceptions (Thucydides), very little of what is now generally accepted as historical fact from the ancient world is supported by “contemporaneous evidence.” In addition to the “gospels,” several authorities unbiased by emerging Christian sects within two or three generations describe an historical Jesus based on sources other than the “gospels” (Tacitus, Flavius Josephus, e.g.) . Whether Jews existed was answered definitively most recently by Reza Aslan in Zealot, a rigorous and well-documented examination of the society and culture of Palestine in the period of Christ. In addition to affirmative “evidence” of the historical person, Aslan persuasively shows that Jesus’s “ministry” was just one of many numerous other peripatetic Jewish proselytizers throughout Judea in that period.
2. “[A]ll the evidence says [that Jesus] was [a Jews].”
As you find that there was no evidence of Jesus the person, your “evidence” based claim that he was a Jew is contradictory and lacking credibility. Of greater significance is your understandable acceptance of the secular proposition that Jesus was by lineage a Jew. In the modern era, this is almost universally accepted by Christians. The “Jewishness” of Jesus, however, is a mere contingency. The core theological propositions of the New Testament is that Jewish is the Son of God…and the Son of Man; and that God is God of all that is and all that are. That the Son of Man is of Jewish lineage is incidental. God is not a Jew. Jesus’s Jewish incarnation in its time and place is the means to liberate humanity from false Jewish arrogation of God as the God only of the “chosen people.” And it worked.
3. ” Let’s set aside the nonsense about God being his father, which is nothing more than regurgitated Homeric mythology about demi-gods on Earth.”
This is, of course, the pivotal truth of your argument from which all else flows. The best I have to say about this statement is that you do not use this as mask of atheism to hide that primordial and raging Jewish hatred of Christianity and the goyim, in league with truly repulsive pseudo atheists like Sam Harris and Magda Teter. Of course, your assertion has no better claim to “truth” than the “believers” you ridicule. But in answer to the believers who ask, Then what now”, you offer the shopworn bromides of secular “humanism” –embrace “basic, universal, and age-old ethical ideals”–the circular reversion to “values” themselves gutted by the death of God and formulated out of terror in the endless black night of eternal nothingness, a bandaid on the sore of nihilism already half-ripped off by the time of Nietzsche, and whose reality and “merit” in the 20th century became just as dead as God.
I’m a Christian but, bud, this is a REALLY…bad look – Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. BUT DO THIS WITH GENTLENESS AND RESPECT…. 1 Peter 3:15
This doesn’t mean being milk-toast vis a vis those who are vile in their own speaking. A little judgment and common sense, understanding that we are ALWAYS “ambassadors for Christ,” seals us to a great extent from the “wrath of man.” And from the aspersions he casts, knowing in his heart-of-hearts that his judgment of us is unjust.
Time is a human construct, I am not religious, I am a spiritual being, I am my own God of my own destiny and I possess my very own meteorite older than earth, given to me as a gift from an ancient guardian as proof that our journey is infinite.
P.S. Maybe mohammadans are right, perhaps their meteor at Kaaba in Mecca, Saudi Arabia is their proof of their celestial God.
Nigga Pleez, I did not come “straight outta Compton” as a muppet, if anything, yo black azz came outta a supermassive Black Hole from a far away dark galaxy.
RockTheBoatForUs:
I find this statement to be incomplete. Modern day WESTERN Christianity is the enemy of West Civilization and its native population. This is self evident. Historically, it has not performed as it should have.
I will give you an analogy and metaphor, which is consonant with my Oriental way of thinking and cognition: Say Christianity is a large, heavy fuel oil burning diesel engine aboard an ocean ship. The fuel it is consuming before processing in centrifuges and fine filters, contains many contaminants. These could consist of insolubles, vanadium, sulphur, paraffin and others. If these make their way to the engine, the following could occur.
The piston rings will build up deposits and cause the rings to stick, allowing combustion gas to blow by. The lube oil will become contaminated and acidify rapidly. Deposits could form on the exhaust valves, causing gas leakage, and erosion of mating surfaces of valve and seat. The turbo charger blades might build up deposits of unburned solids, and the exhaust gases could precipitate sulfer dioxide, which produces sulfuric acid when hydrolyzed. The fuel pumps may seize up.
The parallels are that the fuel is essential for power generation, but that destruction of the engine proceeds at a rapid pace. If. the contaminated fuel is not replaced or purified, the engine will suffer irreversible damage, and will automatically or manually lead to shutdown (civilizational collapse).
Regardless of the arguments for Christianity, the observable facts and concrete observations lead to the ineluctable conclusion that Christianity has produced and aided in catastrophic consequences for the West. In addition to the above analogy, I suggest that our engine metaphor can also consider the detriment and failure to perform due to inadequate horsepower output. An overloaded engine will shutdown and the ship will “go black”, i.e., be adrift with no propulsion and now electrical power; thus subject to external deleterious and possibly fatal consequences and outcomes.
The only Christianity worthy of consideration is that of Middle East Christians and Russian Orthodox who are/were killed and tortured continuously in the Moslem countries and Jewish Bolshevikic Western Christian authorities, both Catholic and Protest-ant mention them at all. Why not even raise a cry or protest, much less give aid? Cowardice, weak faith, faux spirituality, and institutional corruption so deep as to to accelerate Western collapse. The families of Protestant “Royalty”, Franklin Graham, Inc., Jerry Falwell, Inc. are flim flam marketers and tawdry corporate blood suckers. Add John Hagen, and other shallow, moronic, usually fat slobovians.
I am a practical man and a man of the East. Practically and praxis are the final confirmation of a construct, endeavor, enterprise, etc, etc. If it doesn’t work, then I have no interest; it is useless and no amount of abstractions, theory, retro-speculation, etc, will save it from the dumpster and waste bin.
My position represent a large plurality of Western opinion, which motivates me to propound thusly.
What the heck do you call the millions of living species that have come and gone on just this one small blue planet?
We are living proof of being created by a celestial entity, follow the vital dust and ye shall find the truth.
Most of the universe 99.99% is obviously hostile to life. That’s just the void. Not to mention the suns which are most of the matter in the universe. We are improbable and unbelievable.
Catholicism, and especially Protestantism and its horrid evangelical offshoots in the US prefer Islam to Eastern churches. Make of that what you will.
Aslan’s book Zealot, struck me as the minimalist Jesus. A Zealot Zionist Jew that the Jews can live with, one that whitey misunderstood.
If Jesus was real and meaningfully interesting at all, then the main text proving what he was about is Mark. A man who trolls into the Synagogue of Satan and is promptly asked by the possessed Rabbi “I know who you are, have you come to destroy us?” And Jesus Exorcises him. They’ve been plotting to kill this Jesus ever since that Exorcism.
Resa Aslan went from Shiite Islam as an Iranian, to Evangelical Christianity as a US Citizen to this odd book marketed to “basic bitch” Evangelical Christians and Secular Liberals. He knows his market.
A Jew Safe Christ.
It is indeed easier for American Christians to maintain a certain racial concern. It is also true that the pseudo-apostates of Christianity become Woke. But that is only because Wokism is, axiologically, the final phase of Christianity, as we can see in Tom Holland’s book, Dominion.
Moreover, even Christian racialists, when given a choice between racial preservation and their faith, many choose the latter (see this Matt Heimbach exchange prior to the Parrott scandal). The reason is simple: Christian churches allow a coloured man to marry a white woman at the altar. Criticise this practice publicly in your church and you will be excommunicated as a heretic.
What we propose is to abandon Christianity as long as one transvalues Christian values to the former values. I am referring to the moral code of the Aryan religions that preceded Christianity (think of Hinduism’s castes and how the Spartans, and Roman patricians during the Republic kept their blood pure; not to mention the Vikings, or the Visigoths who burned at the stake those who married mudbloods).
In other words, following what Tom Holland says in his book, today’s Woke whites—pseudo-apostates of Christianity, not genuine apostates—are über-Christians from an axiological point of view. They have merely rejected dogma but hypertrophied Christian morality to the point of ethno-suicide.
My website is dedicated to unravelling this issue.
Follow the money. Geld ist alles
Couple the above with sheer massive cowardice and sniveling capitulation to the perceived “winner”. Hoping the alligator will eat them last. Most people are cowering food stock like rodents, squirrels, and small mammals that live in burrows.
You must mean WWI, in regard to Gurdjieff’s father and the Ottomans.
If I recall, Gurdjieff told Ouspensky that sometimes reincarnation may occur, with the person thrown back into the same prior life and conditions. I think he wanted his students to focus on the here and now and offered this notion as a means to discourage further pursuit of the idea. Even Edgar Cayce, in his waking state, lamented the tendency of recipients of past-life readings to dwell on former lives rather than work on their current one.
I found part of Peake’s “Cheating the Ferryman” online. His conclusions based on brain chemistry, lobotomized epilepsy patients, and an observing aspect of mind evolving in humans in the last three thousand years, are, I think, farfetched.
I agree, that’s like saying the Earth is round, when we have known this truth since prehistoric man that the Earth is flat.
How dare they corrupt ancient beliefs.
C’mon. Gimme a break. Large marine engines also don’t need monitoring and maintenance, and self-repair and overhaul themselves!
I am sure I know the answer to your question. This article, you may assume, represents the opinion-right or wrong-of a large chunk of Christendom. On that basis it can stand alone.
You may describe or characterize it as is your liking, but please do not insist that it be excluded or censored because you do not like it, or it is “intellectual sludge”. Otherwise, you place yourself in the old Twitter management philosophy and actions.
The article is factual but misleading as to the reasons why there exists a 2000 year conflict between the Church and the Jewish people. Of course that conflict includes the Roman/Jewish wars. It is not whether Christ was Jewish or not. It is the denial by the Jewish community, that Christ is God. He is not a prophet but God . Jews vehemently denied this.
Looking at Christianity that way explains a lot. There are two parts to Christianity and the telling of it. One is based on religion, and the other is based on history. There was a King Herod. But religion says 3 wise men came to Judea to witness the birth of Christ. King Herod learning that but unable to identify Christ had the first born killed – that would be religion . There was a Passover in 33 AD. There was a Pontius Pilot and there was the Temple of Jerusalem-That is history.
Christ entering Jerusalem, fighting with the Rabbis over the written and oral laws, and booting out the money lenders is religion. That narrative includes the charges brought by the Rabbis of blasphemy and treason. the choice given by Pontius Pilot to forgive – a tradition of Passover- the Rabbis chose Barabbas over Christ, His Crucifixion and the ripping of the Veil – that is religion but history states the veil was 60 feet high, 20 feet wide and 5 inches thick – The rip indicated Yahweh leaving the Temple when Christ was crucified .the resurrection – the God
Lol, one handle, very few posts. Evil does like truth, thus, your caustic response. I pray that your eyes will be opened to truth.
My reply to your comment is #621. For some reason it didn’t connect it to your post.
Wow, that is one of the most untrue statements I’ve read in awhile. Narcissism is very much a behavior and way of thinking about the world – from the vantage point of the self.
In fact, if you will re-read your reply comment ^^^ , and if you possess any objectivity and humility, you will notice that it is almost all about you. Just read it. It’s an example of what I stated, that that particular religious doctrine promotes and incentives people to focus on what they get out of something. That’s the carrot and stick management approach used.
I’d keep chatting but, I can tell how this will go. It’s always the same – as if the strident have been brain-captured. Hhmm…
This is deep. When the soul blows apart, isn’t that the same as achieving Nirvana? Surely there are worse things that could befall a soul. Think of the many slaves in ancient times who were sacrificed at their masters’ funerals so that they could continue their bondage in the netherworld. Better Nirvana than eternal servitude.
How about the dutiful sons of selfish parents. The kind who had a baby when they really wanted a puppy. There’s some internal contradictions for you.
Christianity, the 3=1 religion, offers an escape. Not Heaven, just oblivion. After 40 years of living Hell, oblivion doesn’t sound so bad.
The danger of embracing the Slave Religion is that when the soul fully accepts his lot, he loses his internal contradictions and is in peril of holding together and being reborn in a lower state.
Praise Woden, who gives spirit to every man but chooses for his followers only the brave.
Hey, are you the user “gay troll” using other name?
You have quite a sense of humour.
I would never.
Besides the other remarks, “Superfluouse man” is a meme in Russian literature: ‘The Diary of a Superfluous Man’ is an 1850 novella by the Russian author Ivan Turgenev. It is written in the first person in the form of a diary by a man, Tchulkaturin, who, though only 31 years old, is dying of an unspecified illness and has only a few days left to live as he recounts incidents of his life. The story has become the archetype for the Russian literary concept of the superfluous man, an 1840s and 1850s Russian literary concept derived from the Byronic hero. It refers to an individual, perhaps talented and capable, who does not fit into social norms. In most cases, this person is born into wealth and privilege. Typical characteristics are disregard for social values, cynicism, and existential boredom; typical behaviors are gambling, drinking, romantic intrigues and duels. He is often unmindful, indifferent or unempathetic with society’s issues and can carelessly distress others with his actions, despite his position of power. He will often use his power for his own comfort and security and will have very little interest in being charitable or using it for the greater good.
It is also a meme in H.G. Wells, who said, if I remember correctly, that the first superfluous man was born in 1911, or around then.
You ain’t got no culture.
Jesus was a Jew which is short for Judean.
Modern Jews are Jews in the sense of Judaist.
Ancient Judeans and modern Judaists are not the same thing. Modern Judaism is derived from the oral traditions of the Pharisees, namely the Mishna. Jesus knew these traditions and accused the Pharisees of putting the “wisdom of men” ahead of the Word of God as contained in what Christians call the Old Testament.
Christians see Jesus as the fulfillment of Old Testament teaching and see modern Judaism as divorced from either.
Shyster shrimp Kissinger at 100: New US War Crimes Revealed in Secret Cambodia Bombing That Set Stage for Forever Wars | Democracy Now!
https://www.democracynow.org/2023/5/24/intercept_kissinger_cambodia_killing_fields
With all the Kissinger at 100 stories -going to re-up this POLITICO Mag story about how Kissinger secretly conspired with the Chilean military dictatorship to undermine the Carter admin. He counseled Chile to subvert a US empire terrorism investigation into a lethal bombing in Washington.
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/01/henry-kissinger-jimmy-carter-chile-214603/
And this was not the only time Kissinger has been accused of trying to undermine the Carter admin. Have you guys heard of the Ogorodnik microfilm ?
I am a Christian. I do not or ever have joined a chruch.
I have a personal reltionship with Jesus Christ.
I pray maybe 20 times per day. I try my best to live the golden rule.
When things are really bad I pray and miracles happen in my life.
Mostly it is when I pray for others.
http://judaism.is/jesus-was-a-jew.html
Josephus receives a mention in this fine example of pellucid prose :
https://www.jrbooksonline.com/pdf_books/rotcm.pdf
Thank you , Dr. K for ” Breaking the Spell” , a most enlightening work.
I Corinthians 15
THIS is the Gospel, The Good News of your Salvation. One chapter in the New Testament. It’s the good news about what God has done, through his Son, to reconcile you to Himself and return you to True Life, not the simulation you are currently living, which is a living death, so to speak. This Gospel describes WHAT GOD HAS DONE. You need to do Nothing but receive it. It’s ALL by Grace. Free. A Gift. God is Going to save you. Face to face like Saul of Tarsus, “as an untimely birth”. Or like the simple faith of Abraham. God can do anything. Not ONE shall be lost. He loves all.
Now, brothers, I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you, which you received, and in which you stand firm. 2By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain.
3For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4that He was buried, that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, 5and that He appeared to Cephasa and then to the Twelve. 6After that, He appeared to more than five hundred brothers at once, most of whom are still living, though some have fallen asleep. 7Then He appeared to James, then to all the apostles. 8And last of all He appeared to me also, as to one of untimely birth.
9For I am the least of the apostles and am unworthy to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. 10But by the grace of God I am what I am, and His grace to me was not in vain. No, I worked harder than all of them—yet not I, but the grace of God that was with me. 11Whether, then, it was I or they, this is what we preach, and this is what you believed.
The Resurrection of the Dead
12But if it is preached that Christ has been raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? 13If there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. 14And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is worthless, and so is your faith. 15In that case, we are also exposed as false witnesses about God. For we have testified about God that He raised Christ from the dead, but He did not raise Him if in fact the dead are not raised.
16For if the dead are not raised, then not even Christ has been raised. 17And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins. 18Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished. 19If our hope in Christ is for this life alone, we are to be pitied more than all men.
The Order of Resurrection
20But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man. 22For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. 23But each in his own turn: Christ the firstfruits; then at His coming, those who belong to Him.
24Then the end will come, when He hands over the kingdom to God the Father after He has destroyed all dominion, authority, and power. 25For He must reign until He has put all His enemies under His feet. 26The last enemy to be destroyed is death. 27For “God has put everything under His feet.”b Now when it says that everything has been put under Him, this clearly does not include the One who put everything under Him. 28And when all things have been subjected to Him, then the Son Himself will be made subject to Him who put all things under Him, so that God may be all in all.
29If these things are not so, what will those do who are baptized for the dead? If the dead are not raised at all, why are people baptized for them? 30And why do we endanger ourselves every hour? 31I face death every day, brothers, as surely as I boast about you in Christ Jesus our Lord. 32If I fought wild beasts in Ephesus for human motives, what did I gain? If the dead are not raised,
“Let us eat and drink,
for tomorrow we die.”c
33Do not be deceived: “Bad company corrupts good character.”d 34Sober up as you ought, and stop sinning; for some of you are ignorant of God. I say this to your shame.
The Resurrection Body
35But someone will ask, “How are the dead raised? With what kind of body will they come?” 36You fool! What you sow does not come to life unless it dies. 37And what you sow is not the body that will be, but just a seed, perhaps of wheat or something else. 38But God gives it a body as He has designed, and to each kind of seed He gives its own body.
39Not all flesh is the same: Men have one kind of flesh, animals have another, birds another, and fish another. 40There are also heavenly bodies and earthly bodies. But the splendor of the heavenly bodies is of one degree, and the splendor of the earthly bodies is of another. 41The sun has one degree of splendor, the moon another, and the stars another; and star differs from star in splendor.
42So will it be with the resurrection of the dead: What is sown is perishable; it is raised imperishable. 43It is sown in dishonor; it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness; it is raised in power. 44It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. 45So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living being;”e the last Adam a life-giving spirit.
46The spiritual, however, was not first, but the natural, and then the spiritual. 47The first man was of the dust of the earth, the second man from heaven. 48As was the earthly man, so also are those who are of the earth; and as is the heavenly man, so also are those who are of heaven. 49And just as we have borne the likeness of the earthly man, so also shall we bear the likeness of the heavenly man.
Where, O Death, Is Your Victory?
(Hosea 13:9–14)
50Now I declare to you, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.
51Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed— 52in an instant, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 53For the perishable must be clothedf with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality.
54When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable and the mortal with immortality,g then the saying that is written will come to pass: “Death has been swallowed up in victory.”h
55“Where, O Death, is your victory?
Where, O Death, is your sting?”i
56The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. 57But thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ!
58Therefore, my beloved brothers, be steadfast and immovable. Always excel in the work of the Lord, because you know that your labor in the Lord is not in vain.
Goodness, you white people really are something.
Are you some 14 y-o or just an über-simpleton?
If Jesus never existed, those who would most gain by that would have been the Jews, and they would have jumped on that immediately. Instead they called Him an impostor, and affirmed His miracles by saying that He performed them through sorcery. Also, they never thought up a better explanation of the empty tomb except that His disciples came at night and stole the body while an attachment of Roman soldiers were sleeping. Roman soldiers don’t do that. It’s a capital offense.
The writer here is grasping for straws. He’s probably either a Jew or a Freemason, maybe a homosexual. All of them have a strong aversion to the idea that they may be punished forever after death for their sexually disordered lives, like most others who disbelieve in Christianity. Most so-called “Christians” in fact are such in name only, and rejecting the moral law on divorce and remarriage and contraception especially, except for traditional Catholics independent of apostate Rome, as my website link explains.
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The conundrum solved by Joseph Atwill, Jesus was fiction written up by the Roman state, after the Jerusalem siege. According to Atwill, Rome invented the religion to pacify the rebel Jews.
The primary Gospel writer was Josephus, who encoded his own name as the Jesus character:
J o S e p h U S = J E S U S
Jesus in the temple amazing the scribes is also written in his autobiography as Josephus in the temple doing the same. Josephus is Jesus.
It’s always amusing watching Christian White Nationalist go through contortions to deny or rationalize worshiping a Jew.
At last I understand the uproar: Jesus being a Jew is a threat to Christian White Nationalism. Oh I’m terribly slow, but at last I guess I see the point. But anyway, is worshipping “the Word made flesh” the same as “worshipping a Jew”?
Consult the narrative. Abram offered a tithe to Melchizedek, who was not a Jew in any sense. Who was … is … Melchizedek? Does he not have the same singular offices as the Christ – a King and Priest forever? Are there two distinct persons sharing these singular offices?
Let’s also ask, who is the Captain of the Host of the Lord, of Joshua 5: 13-15, who accepted worship? Isn’t this Captain the same as the rider expected to come?
The implication is that Jesus the Christ is not limited to inclusion as either a Jew nor as a white nationalist.
Why busy Roman soldiers would bother with a tomb of some insignificant criminal, mentally deranged fool?
First of all, it’s delightful to see you still sharing such brilliant prose on the Unz Review!
Adolf Hitler could indeed be seen as many things. Even his closest acquaintances recognised him as an enigma (Keitel or Jodl?). And as César Tort insightfully posits in comment #568, he did grow over the decades. What you seem to discern in the Führer is his image of an Aryanised sky daddy – but first, Aryanising Jesus is a common occurance even with modern Poles and Little Russians, and second, one has to account for the tremendous Christian ideologising in the period.
Here I will draw upon 《Memories and Reflections of an Aryan Woman》 by Savitri Devi (pp. 215, 216).
https://westsdarkesthour.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/Savitris-book.pdf
By another account, one could put forward the notions that Hitler was a simp (ibid, p. 217).
The men who chased the Chrispagans out of the holy lands (the land your imagined “son of god” was born in!! lol!) had Crescents, the symbol of true monotheism, on their shields by the grace of the Almighty One.
Even though the Chrispagans left a most vicious (((pestilence))) there, a (((pestilence))) which has come to ruin them too, the curse of Chrispaganity will never conquer those lands ever again.
The lands where the most mighty of Prophets lived and guided mankind to salvation, has forever (God willing) been cleansed of the pagan abomination you call Chrispaganity. Praise is due only to the Almighty One.
As for all the other exultations, it is as Allah SWT willed it, but know this, no scale of worldly glory can make truth the accursed heresy of “3persons in 1god.” You godless vermin can achieve everything in this world, but that lie will haunt you all for eternity.
You will live with that lie for a while now, and by God’s will, burn for it too in Hell. I pray to God that I get an opportunity to spit on your kind then.
Dalton claims there are a huge variety of different Christian beliefs. This claim is irrelevant. The New Testament and the Apostles’ and Nicene Creeds are clear about what Christians are to believe. Most Christians who I encounter — and all non-Christians — have not bothered to read the New Testament. That is their problem, not Christianity’s problem.
Dalton says one Christian belief is that all non-believers will go to hell. That is not a Christian belief. Some primitive tribesman who has never heard of Jesus will be judged according to natural law (the law written by God on men’s hearts).
Dalton flippantly asks whether it’s “Jesus of Bethlehem or Jesus of Nazareth.” The least bit of effort on his part would have shown him that Jesus has commonly been called “the Nazarene”.
As for Jesus actually existing, lack of evidence of existence is not evidence of non-existence.
Palestine was an unimportant outpost of the Roman empire when Jesus was alive. If “CNN wasn’t there to record it” is to be the acid test for historical veracity, we might as well not have a discipline called history.
Dalton says the authors of the Gospels “claim to quote Jesus precisely.” Really? Where do they make that claim? I haven’t seen it.
Dalton really loses it when he claims that Paul was out to promote “pro-Jewish, anti-Roman theology that would aid the Jewish cause.” This is about as opposite to the truth as any claim could possibly be.
Christianity is anti-Jewish. Jesus called the Jews (meaning the temple authorities in Judea) children of the devil (John 8:44). He was not out to “promote the Jewish cause”, whatever that might be. He prophesied the destruction of the Jewish Temple, and that prophecy was fulfilled in 70 A.D.
Dalton’s claim that “Jesus is a Jew” is at best reductive and misleading and, at worst, shows that he knows little if anything about Christianity.
God for Christians is the Trinity: Father, Son (Jesus) and Holy Spirit. God exists before time and before there are any Jews. Jewishness is merely the human clothing God wears when he comes to earth in the form of Jesus.
I gather that Dalton has his own sort of religion, one that requires an alliance with whites of Christian heritage. But there will be no such alliance for the simple reason that most of the allies Dalton seeks not only consider themselves Christian but instinctively abhor his racialist outlook.
Enjoy your silo, Dalton. Because it will never be anything more than a limited hangout.
All you need now is to be struck by lightin’! GOD help you!
A mother sheep? Wait, he always said he was the lamb of god! It all makes sense now!
The Book of Revelation, not “Revelations”.
I think it’s much more likely Tom Holland’s work will be used to scare liberals back into Christianity than to scare Christians out of Christianity – conservative Christian disdain for liberalism notwithstanding.
#592 @Ocko:
Actually earlier, but earlier, later, it’s all the same innit. Ocko is wrong about this date and place. The actual writer mentions nothing about the “three hours” in the Bible or the corpses coming out of the ground in the Bible. Which reminds us that the Jews preserve no memory of Herod’s Slaughter of the Firstborn. It’s almost as if it never happened, innit?
#601 @Gerry:
Washington, DC being on a riverbank and having once had a canal running through it within walking distance of the White House was not built on even one hill. “What about Capitol Hill” you say? Growing up in the suburbs my cohort knows what hills are. Land undulates and slopes. Hills are hills. Try telling someone from Colorado or Washington state about the “mountains” in Virginia.
“[Washington] is also no port city as described in Revelation.” I don’t know where you get 7 hills of NYC, that’s for you to document, not me to refute. Gratuitously asserted, just as gratuitously denied. Wrong in one, wrong in all.
#607 silviosilver:
Ironically given this discussion, it does not exist in Jewish society; in fact the official view is just the opposite. Which in my view justifies the Holocaust as it is normally presented. Yet los Judeos want to eat their Reuben and have it too.
#608 @gay troll [AKA “deadname”]:
Archaeological record, bitch.
“The language variety in which the Masoretic biblical text is written is known as Biblical Hebrew or Classical Hebrew (c. 10th century BCE – 1st century CE). Varieties of Hebrew were spoken not only by the ancient Israelites but also in adjacent kingdoms east and south of the Jordan River, where distinct non-Israelite dialects existed, now extinct: Ammonite, Moabite and Edomite.”
“Biblical scholars agree that the first five books of the Hebrew Bible were translated from Biblical Hebrew into Koine Greek by Jews living in the Ptolemaic Kingdom, probably in the early or middle part of the third century BCE.[8] The remaining books were presumably translated in the 2nd century BCE.”
“While Jewish tradition holds that the Pentateuch was written between the 16th century and the 12th century BCE, secular scholars are virtually unanimous in rejecting these early datings, and agree that there was a final redaction some time between 900–450 BCE.”
Is it possible for you to stop sucking for just a minute?
The New York Times is an elite publication – the average man in the street doesn’t read the NY Times.
> “It was just talk. Similar to what goes on here, haha.”
Arguing against Chechar, you are arguing against such people as Savitri and Rauschning.
《Memories and Reflections of an Aryan Woman》 by Savitri Devi (pp. 52-54).
https://westsdarkesthour.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/Savitris-book.pdf
Quite right: but that doesn’t detract from the fact that the ideals of the French Revolution are a bastard child of Christian axiology (which in its final metastasis has reached the psychotic Woke movement wee see today).
People with platonic loves, like Hitler, weren’t ‘simps’. On the contrary, as Savitri paints it in her prose, it is something very spiritual. Even pages 30-33 of my anti-feminist anthology includes an article, ‘The eternal feminine’, which Savitri would have understood perfectly.
Entertaining heresy is by no means freedom of speech but rather a pathway to eternal damnation, but I would expect nothing less from a Jew-run website.
Thank you for that edifying and elucidating expectoration of undigested sewage and retrospective to a golden age of superstition, Tower of London, Inquisition and serial killer psychopath’s basements.
You are not only an ignorant retrogressive sub-human biped but display characteristics of a reptilian nature, where in stink and reflex determine stimulus from some ganglia of nerves to an appendage.
Perhaps your mental derangement is temporary, or you have an incurable disease such as rabies virus, a brain tumor, etc.
Regardless, you have nothing of value to say, and it’s not OK.
soon to be repeated: “Who is the anti-Christ but he who is an anti-Semite”
From my 40+ years of being around blacks in the south I’ve learned they all believe in zombies.
Adûnâi: “First of all, it’s delightful to see you still sharing such brilliant prose on the Unz Review!”
Thanks! Considering your native language isn’t English, your own mastery of it is quite astonishing, as is C.T.’s. Plus, the three of us seem to think alike on a great many topics.
Adûnâi: “Adolf Hitler … did grow over the decades.”
That could be true, but it’s also true that he never repudiated Christ. As the war went badly, his vituperations against the Church may have increased, but they did so in other areas as well.
Adûnâi quoting Savitri: “Once, however, on a beautiful Sunday in June, something unforgettable happened. He saw her …”
Female magic. You could say that Hitler lost his head over Stephanie!
The effect certain women can have on us men is truly remarkable. Catullus captured it in carmina 51:
This process of losing one’s head over a girl reminds me of the sexual cannibalism of the mantis. Starting with the head, the female mantis will often eat the male. This can occur either before or after copulation. In some species of mantis, the male mantis comprises the preponderance of the female’s diet! I wonder if the male mantis feels the same sort of fascination for their females we do for ours. Could they be as spellbound by “love” as we are?
Huh what?
I asked for Hebrew, not varieties of Hebrew. Hebrew was based on real languages: both the Israeli script (“paleo Hebrew”) and the Aramaic language. If it is your contention that Hebrew existed before these other languages, show the evidence. Of the actual Hebrew.
Sorry but that won’t fly. The first Masoretic text we have comes to us from the 11th century AD. Where was it hiding for the previous ~2500 years? Where are the fragments of the Hebrew Bible from before 250 BC?
Could be. But again there is no evidence. The first evidence of the Torah comes in ~250 BC from the Septuagint. You have failed to concede that the Jew Paul wrote in Greek because his Old Testament was written in Greek and because it was his native tongue. He was expounding on his religion in its own language. Not because he was preaching to Gentiles. I can admit when I’m wrong. Can you?
The Septuagint is so titled because it was said to have been identically translated by 70 scholars locked in 70 different rooms, thus proving that the translation was infallible. Obviously, this is a childish myth and does not bode well for the reality of the Hebrew scriptures. After all, if there was an authoritative Hebrew text to be translated in 250 BC, why was it unknown to the world for an additional 1000+ years???
There is not much distinct about Hebrew. The alphabet was derived from “paleo Hebrew” which is a Phoenician script, and the language itself is very closely related to Aramaic. Aramaic and Greek were the languages spoken in ancient Judea. Not Hebrew. Hebrew only started to be written in 250 BC; this is when “paleo Hebrew” changed to a different script style.
So again, I ask you, where is the evidence that Hebrew language or culture existed before the Jews published their Bible in Greek? I hope you enjoy searching for something that doesn’t exist.
The real proof of this thesis is the fact that the Torah was plagiarized from REAL history and mythology. This could have only been done in a world library, not the middle of the fucking desert. The story of Moses is PLAGIARIZED from the Amarna tablets. These describe the conversion to monotheism of the Pharaoh Akhenaten, his fierce iconoclasm, and his eventual banishment from Egypt, when he may have fallen in with his former mercenaries the Habiru, who had just conquered Canaan and founded the nation of Israel.
Moses (MSS) is one letter short of Ramses (RMSS) or Ra-Moses.
Hebraism/Judaism is a PTOLEMAIC HOAX. They waltzed into Israel with their fake history book and they have been hobbling human civilization ever since. The Jews claimed they “split” from Israel circa 550 BC after the fictional reign of Solomon, and only then discovered the Torah in Jerusalem. The Jews have been at war with Israel since day one, and according to their bible it is Israel that must first be subdued before YHWH can subdue the nations.
The whole Jewish Bible is about explaining why the land of Canaan/Israel does not belong to its native inhabitants!
Use your fucking brain!
Angling for #666.
Namaste.
Look in the mirror-
Putting the ‘blood purity’ above faith in the commandments of Christ is pure Judaism.
Congratulations on #666.
Am I mistaken or are you and Rockaboatus the same individual?
For a second, I thought someone was learning something here… then I saw the moniker.
Does that mean you would let your daughter marry a Negro? What you say vindicates my decision to wage war on Christianity as a cult even worse than subversive Jewry!
The vast majority of readers of this site, not only do not criticize race mixing, but encourage it and brag about it. A fair plurality consider white women beneath them.
If that’s true, it means that the vast majority of commenters on this site are ethno-traitors. Who needs the Jews when we have so many traitors?
Yes.
Sorry, but it does exist in Jewish society too. Of course, the people who hold such values generally don’t much care what the official view says, but they still regard themselves, and are regarded by others, as Jews, so it’s fair to say they exist. As a proportion of all Jews? I don’t know, almost certainly a minority, perhaps a very small minority, especially in Israel. Not that different to European society only a few generations ago, really.
Author’s Jesus – I see – is not the Christ.
Jesus Christ was Galilean – of none of the Israel tribes…
At the time of the “birth” of the tribes, none of the 4 women of Jacob was from the Abraham descendent.
At this time, the descendant had 2 characteristics:
– genealogy of an individual was followed from the fathers/male lineage
– the child of the dead brother was “recorded” as the child of the living sibling; in case of different mothers, there was no blood relation.
Jesus Christ was not a Judean.
And “Hebrew” in his time meant “Temple’s worker” – sort of a profession, in no way designating a blood relationship.
There was no Hebrew language, was the Aramaic – some word variation in the neighbouring communities did not create any other language.
The scripts were mostly Phoenician with some Greek “contorted” letters.
All the Apostles – except… Judah the Iscariot – were Galilean, not Judean (either from Judea or from the House of Judah!… or from other part of the “promise land” occupied by the Tribes of Israel.
The article is based on disinformation and lack of documentation from existent and undoubted historical proofs. And perpetrated lies.
The author proves no understanding of the Christianity; the divide of 1054 was not a split, but the “exit” from faith of the Western Europe to become an ideology.
Sure, the article is about this sort of cultural look but the arrogance toward the Christianity – only living being the Orthodoxy makes the writer a deplorable crying baby.
Is a heretical writing of one in searching for answers where is none…
> “That could be true, but it’s also true that he never repudiated Christ.”
One point which I could see as a weakness regarding Hitler’s incomplete apostasy would be in his teleological view of history and evolution. Although granted, it was a perception held by most esteemed scientists at the time (a sign of a more youthful culture?). Now anyone familiar with biology will learn one thing first – evolution has no direction.
Applying such reasoning to WW2, one could see Hitler’s rashness and messianism as non-pagan. After all, it must have been an astronomically infinitesimal fluke of history that the swastika returned to a pre-eminent European power. I would much rather prefer seeing him found a lasting edifice, akin to Juche Korea, for culture war is precisely the thing the Aryans have failed at repeatedly. Instead, by waging war on the [admittedly, weak] Western powers, he turned England into a mirror image of himself for a brief moment – which, given their industrial superiority, proved fatal.
> “The effect certain women can have on us men is truly remarkable.”
Indeed, such a non-rational or suprarational principle could be used as a tool to grant oneself proper inspiration in this vale of tears. Conjuring life’s meaning alone is harder, it is wise to know one’s buttons – even though a Buddhist would remind us there is nobody to press them.
Still, not all females are normie-like. The somber tale of Unity Mitford is straight out of the gods’ most exquisite playbook. But is there any deeper meaning to such stories? One could… choose to believe. And I wouldn’t fear it to be too embarrassing, as one way or another, Christianity is set to perish one day, amidst the ruins of the Occident. And it was Hitler’s ultimate shit-test that raised the question, “Either… or”.
© Joseph Walsh
https://westsdarkesthour.com/2020/08/21/kevin-macdonalds-apologetics/
As for the “non-existence” of ancient Hebrew, what about the Siloam Inscription?
The digging of the Siloam tunnel by king Hezekiah is mentioned in the OT:
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siloam_inscription#Bibliography
Yes, the OT is partly myth, partly propaganda, but still partly real history and that includes the existence of ancient Hebrew as distinct from Aramaic.
Wokechoke you”re addicted to the wrong coke / like my-synagogue-buddy-vlad-P-wants-to-shoot-me-&-i-am-only-the-penis-piano-player -Zelensky- put-on stage- by-j. mafia- don- Igor-Kolomoisky
0.51 “Do u know that pope Alexander VI commissioned Leonardo da Vinci to reinvent Jesus in the image of his own beloved son Cesare Borja ? / he felt that the Vatican needed a make over / because the real fellow was not too appealing to the general public…”
0.38 ….the real fellow who probably looked more like Morgan Freeman…
Not such a good choice imv / since Freeman is just like the other Hollywood & music industry slaves no matter their pig/mentality level blindly following the footsteps of Vatican ceo & vaxx pusher bilderBergoglio / the representative of the most high on earth….
Video Link
Courageous & honest Mike Yeadon explains how the emerging CBDC is the portal to the Gates of Hell
0.37 ”the person controlling that data base / if they want to set a condition / u have to take your ”vaccines” / then they can actually force you to roll up your sleeves…”
CBDC Central Bank Digital Currency / who again runs the Central Bank of all central banks – if u don’t mention the beast by its name / u can forget the feast – the RotSchild i. bankers crime network
They f(((o)))unded the 1948 slc sweet little country on the eastern shore of the Mediterranean….
CIA O
The black Madonna’s of Europe ….. (no photoshop / btw there is a book with the title ” Jesus Is Black
Get Over It / subtitle : written by a white guy / maybe yu should read that ?)
” the Bible explained from an uncompromising point of view, unintimidated by thousands* of years of European Church dogma, the biblical evidence clearly points to a black Jesus, whether accepted or not by those with a racial bias of their faith.”
* thousands is a bit over the top / prior to 1492 there are more than enough icons of a black JC & his Hebrew crew / who survived pope Alexander VI (1492 -1503) & Leonardo daVinci’s facelifts of JC…
h.a.n.d. have a nice day / anyway….
CIA O
My point was not that anyone needs an excuse to dislike Jews, that anyone needs to dislike Jews, or that Christianity should act as a cover for those that dislike Jews. My point is that as a religion that has roots in the lands and cultures of the Middle East, and closely ties its adherents to Jews and Jewish closeness, Christianity can alienate western Christians from their physical surroundings and inner nature, as well as make them vulnerable to Jewish predation. I think those points should be pretty obvious.
Here I am amazed you didn’t read what I wrote.
I DON’T believe that story – I said “at best he may have been”, and that the origins of the Gospels are considered unknown.
Please pay proper attention to what I actually wrote.
(And why don’t you use the quoting mechanism provided here ?)
Few things to add, the Bethlehem cited as birthplace is the wrong one…the real birthplace is similar name place in Galilee. Additionally, there are publications out there that firmly believe Jesus was of Phoenician stock. Lastly, there is speculation that Jesus is model after real mystic, Apollonius of Tyana. I believe that Jesus was not jewish, as ideas put forth are too vastly different (in a positive sense) than those than be created within the jewish mind.
You need to research things quite a bit better before writing incendiary pieces on topics that are obviously horrifically researched. It’s difficult to take what you say seriously given the sheer and utter lack of understanding on the topic. I will add, fwiw, that you’re in great company however, particularly among tens of millions masquerading as followers of Christ, when in fact they support entirely anti-Christ ideologies, thoughts, and teachings.
In other news, … modern “christianity” is so incredibly far from true Christianity that the demoralization has been sound. It’s so intertwined with antichrist elements that it’s been rendered salt-less, to be kind, and to understate.
As well, you first need to define “Jew” and understand its modern origins, linguistically and ideologically that is. HINT: The definition used today is, A, contrived in the modern era, and by the eternal enemies of Christ, and B, so incredibly different, diametrically so, from what the users and adherents of it think that it means.
If you had done this, perhaps the premise of your piece would have been significantly different. I will refrain from going into details here because your bias against Christianity precedes you and is beyond clear. I’m not sure that you would be objective towards any of that information. If I am incorrect and you would like to discuss it further, please let me know.
Great quote from my friend Walsh, whom I met personally in London a few years ago.
But the situation in the UK has deteriorated so much since my last visit that they now want to put Walsh and one of his friends in jail because of the thoughtcrime new policies that reign in that godforsaken country. (That’s why Walsh has already withdrawn from any racialist forum.)
The point of Zen Buddhism, and possibly Mahayana in general, is not merely to blow the soul apart, but to annihilate the dust.
> Serbian-Roman emperors
More idiocy and outright disinformation terrorism by the troll odyssey that can’t prove his own stinking people are even from the balkans. If these emperors were serbs than there would have never been a Roman Empire. Plain and simple.
Six gregorian chants for Easter night
Hortus Apollinis
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Ex Israeli soldiers speaking out “We were the terrorists”
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Finally, the well-known Jewish author, Arthur Koestler, wrote a book in 1976 that opened my eyes to the true meaning of these so-called “Russian Chapters of Ezekiel.” It was a conquest by immigration, and it came from Russia and many other nations, but it was an invasion of Jewish Zionists–not a Russian invasion per se. They came to rob and plunder the Palestinians, who for centuries had lived in peace and security in the Ottoman Empire.
Of course, the Zionists did not come on “horses,” for this was simply Ezekiel’s way of expressing the fact that the Zionists were relying on horses–the flesh, and fleshly means of conquest–rather than upon God. The law speaks of this in Deut. 17:16 and Isaiah 31:1-3 explains its meaning. Horses signify “flesh” rather than spirit (vs. 3).
Arthur Koestler’s book, The Thirteenth Tribe, showed how the majority of world Jewry today are from Eastern Europe and Russia, and they are descended from the Khazars who converted to Judaism in 760 A.D. As I showed in Part 1, even the Jewish Encyclopedia gives the history of this conversion.
https://old.godskingdom.org/blog/2006/08/the-russian-chapters-of-ezekiel
https://old.godskingdom.org/blog/series/the-russian-chapters-of-ezekiel
To support the brave Israeli veteran soldiers who are speaking out through Breaking the Silence go to CBN on youtube with clueless Christian Zionists, I used to be one of them, gushing that they love Israel and the Jews and who also think Palestinians are shadowy animals because they have never seen any truth about this …. situation that there are no words for and link to this video and others by Breaking the Silence.
Pray for the conversion of the Jews and of America and the world. It is the only way.
https://www.freemasonrywatch.org/jewish.leaders.prayer.conversion.html
I mostly agree but pray that our Lord Jesus will have mercy on Christian zionists who have never heard the truth about the Middle East and good teaching from the pulpit.
I used to be one of them and had to repent for that then the opposite error of blaming all jews for what Jesus called the Synagogue of Satan, not all synagogues, those who say they are jews but are not they do lie.
Christianity was under great attack by the freemasons and those behind them in the 1800s. Charles Spurgeon was very courageous during the Downgrade Controversy when there was pressure or infiltration to downgrade who Jesus is and the blessed Resurrection.
Even the Little Flower was attacked by freemason Leo Taxil, look it up.
Many Christians who seem to be part of the great apostasy read their Bibles, try to live very moral lives according to what the Gospels tell them but have been manipulated in politics and false teachings, may God have mercy.
Ray Comfort Was Almost Killed Preaching in Jerusalem.
Living Waters
Ray Comfort recalls the time where the crowd literally wanted to kill him for preaching about Christ, since they were religious Jews. It was easily the most scary open-air witnessing encounter Ray has been in. Ray then gives advice on how to reach Jews with the gospel, and then shows a few evangelism conversation that he’s had with Jews.
Ray Comfort has been with Calvery Chapel which has a bad reputation and is becoming more emergent. And now seems to be on TBN but his humor and way of presenting the basics of the Gospel is astonishing. Jesus said, Whoever believes and is baptised will be saved. The good thief on the cross did not have time to do good works or be baptized or have a great intellectual understanding of Christianity but did have the simple faith and Jesus said, Today will you be in Paradise with me.
I’m still here Cesar, still watching, still observing. My re-trial begins next Monday the 5th of June. Obviously I hope not to go to prison but I don’t care if I do. The media reported on my trial last summer here
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10893495/White-supremacist-targeted-Harry-Meghan-s-son-podcast-court-told.html
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-61721607
I took great joy in the prosecution terming me and my co-defendant “unapologetic white supremacists”. Actually I’m an Anglo-Saxon supremacist. German supremacism and Nordic supremacism are for those lower down the hierarchy of mankind.
I know if I go to prison I’ll likely be greeted by white cowards who’ll be taking a beating from their Black and Muslim superiors. The Blacks and Muslims have racial pride and blend racial and religious pride with criminal activity and domination of prisons. White males in UK prisons seem to not be able to do this, predictably. In American prisons there IS a combination between White Supremacy and crime, fortunately. What seems the logical thing to do to me is to use the prison system as a foundation for dominating the streets. Use the most secure prisons as headquarters for dominating the prison system and then monopolize crime on the streets. But white cowards have long ago consented to their streets (and prisons) being controlled by Third World criminal gangs.
Never mind. The white race can go to hell for all I care. I’ve saved myself and that’s what matters. Even if the white race does survive, it’s apparent to me that humanity is going nowhere. We’re a hopeless species. A doomed species. There never was any hope for mankind. Never was, never will be. A silly planet full of silly people leading their silly lives. If only all of humanity could be put in prison to be ‘alone with their thoughts’ then I would feel Justice had been done.
Jesus was Jewish… until he said no more of that…
> “Satan was executed in 2022.”
Could you link more of your writings on this, from Unz or from your blog? Might be rather schizo, yet I’m not loathe to explore different views – provided they come from an anti-Christian heart.
> “When you worship failure and suffering, you get what you ask for.”
All of that is true, although there is an argument to be made as to how Christian in essence normies have always been. The common saying “Ignorance is bliss” is pertinent, although it’s not merely ignorance or low IQ, it’s also proclivity to emotion, hope, teleology.
Truth be told, I never wished to lobotomise my brain power, yet I can’t deny that incarnating as an NPC could help me find solace. Forgetting knowledge as if in a dream. And that’s the perennial sales pitch of the snake oil salesmen.
Because the Jewish authorities asked for a guard to prevent theft of the body and the apostles saying He rose from the dead. Ever read the gospels instead of writings about them? Anyone who says they could have been made up first has a moral problem, usually a sexually disordered life, and doesn’t want Christianity to be true. Just like “No one denies God unless he has reasons for wanting Him not to exist.” – St Augustine
There is one true form of Christianity, and that is traditional Catholicism, the Judeo-Masonic powers having dethroned a rightful pope in 1958 and then taken over the organizational structures of the Church, with a series of NWO asset antipopes from the obese Freemason John XXIII (1958-63) through the pathetic Freemason Francis.
Why didn’t the Jews, enemies of the fledgling Catholic Church, say Jesus was a myth? No, they have always said He was an impostor, performing “miracles” through wizardry, consorting with demons.
You wish Jesus was made up by the Romans because you hate the idea of being judged by Jesus when you die. Just like “No one denies God unless he has reasons for wanting Him not to exist” (St Augustine), no one familiar with the Gospels (as opposed to writings about them) rejects them unless he chooses to do so rather than for rational reasons. No one could have made them up.
Comedy of the absurd. You either laugh or you cry. But it’s not going to change.
Words of wisdom in a storm of insanity.
Not obvious to me, for the reasons I just stated. We’ll just have to disagree then.
Lex Orendi, Lex Credendi, Lex Vivendi. (https://infogalactic.com/info/Lex_orandi,_lex_credendi)
The early Catholics did not rely on Scripture (they had the Septuagint for an old testament) but on Preaching to spread the Gospel.
Today, in the Catholic Catechism , Holy Tradition and Holy Scripture are of equal weight.
The author’s focus on Scripture misses the mark and discredits him from further consideration.
I wonder if Dalton has youtube/bitchute debates published with him an decent Catholic scholars?
C.S. Lewis, in his book, Mere Christianity, quipped that one of your fellow atheists, a Dr. at Oxford complained that the historical evidence for Jesus was quite good. You, another atheist claims it is not , based on Scripture and ignorance of Holy Tradition.
As for Scholarship, St. Augustine solved Plato’s (?) problem of the demiurge…He and St. Almsen (?) lived among the Ionian Philosophers. They were not slouches; they were among the best of the West and the emergent Christendom we live in today.
Your appeals to “intellect” fall flat. I suggest E. Michael Jones’ book, Logos Rising as a theoretical minimum for trying to convince us of that our Faith is groundless nonsense.
Miriam was the name of one of the Maccabean princesses. “Mary” is the anglo version of the name. There are jews today in Israel named Miriam. Most of Jesus’ entourage had Maccabean names which suggests they were a faction hostile to the fake Herodian Dynasty of foreign Idumeans imposed on Judea by Rome.
http://alrenous.blogspot.com/2022/01/news-from-heavens-satan-condemned-to.html
Between the fall of Rome and the library at Toledo in 1085, Christianity was not Christian at all. Call it 555-1100.
After 1100 the Sophism virus was reintroduced and it has been getting steadily more Christian for 900 years. You also got Socrates and science, but that is no longer relevant.
Today it’s clear that Christianity is not imposed by force; the normies love being Christian precisely because it’s masochistic. Self-hatred is, apparently, normal and natural. Supply, meet demand.
When Philip K. Dick experienced his own personal revelation after witnessing the transfiguration of an Ichthys, he became convinced that the Roman Empire never ended and that Christianity was still in a struggle against Roman oppression. One thing he could never quite figure out was why all the Roman ghosts in his head spoke Greek instead of Latin! He also had a difficult time comprehending that the Christ he made personal contact with, which he also called Zebra or VALIS, was essentially feminine in nature.
History is written by the victors. Reality is far more mysterious than fantasy. And truth is stranger than fiction.
Namaste
~The Siloam Inscription~
Before we assume the inscription is genuine, let’s recount the reasons to suspect it is not genuine:
-it’s dated only by “writing style”
-it’s the only inscription from ancient Israel commemorating a public work
-the Siloam tunnel was studied for 42 years before anybody noticed it
-It was discovered by a pupil of the “London Society for Promoting Christianity Amongst the Jews”
Now let’s assume it’s genuine. It was first described in a publication titled “Phoenician Inscription in the Pool of Siloam”. Not a Hebrew inscription, a Phoenician inscription. Likewise modern commentators call the inscription “paleo Hebrew”. In other words, pre Hebrew.
I am not denying the existence of ancient Israel, only the Hebrews. Ancient Israel had a real language that the Hebrew language is based upon. I think it is wrong to call it “paleo Hebrew” and it would be much more accurate to call it the Israeli language.
I mean, what does it even mean to have a Hebrew inscription written in a pre Hebrew script? To me, that is just admitting that the inscription is a forgery. Otherwise it is deliberately muddying the waters.
Whether real or fake, the bottom line is that the inscription is not written in the Hebrew alphabet. It also does not attest to any aspect of Semitic/Hebrew/Jewish culture. It only attests to a construction project. That this construction project is mentioned in the Jewish Bible does not in any way corroborate the Jewish Bible. As mentioned in my other comment, the Jewish Bible is evidently plagiarized from genuine historical and mythological sources. So it may be true that the tunnel was built in ancient Israel, it may also be false that it was built under the kings of Judah.
The inscription reads:
Not exactly Biblical, is it?
If the legend of 70 scholars translating the Septuagint is true, then there were at least 70 copies of the Hebrew language scriptures in existence at that time. Yet no one has found even a scrap of Hebrew scripture that can predate the Septuagint.
Joseph Walsh: “Obviously I hope not to go to prison but I don’t care if I do.”
All the best people go to prison — Socrates, Sade, Hitler. More recently, Joseph Paul Franklin, die Brüder Schweigen, Charles Manson, Ted Kaczynski, Anders Breivik, Brenton Tarrant, and many more, both famous and obscure. Just as steel is tempered to make a better weapon, men are put in prison in order to acquire the necessary hardness.
Joseph Walsh: “If only all of humanity could be put in prison to be ‘alone with their thoughts’ then I would feel Justice had been done. ”
The best of the best are kept in maximum security. If you go, see if you can make your way there. Ideally though, solitary confinement would be the absolute best, but those slots are usually limited and hard to get. The torture of prison — the main point of it — is to expose you unremittingly to the depredations of your “fellow man”, and this would be defeated if everyone got his own cell.
I would like to correct a mistake I have reiterated in my recent comments, quoting the supposed dissolution of Israel and the creation of Judah as around 600 BC. The actual purported date is around 900 BC.
I had this date confused with the Deuteronomic Reform, whose date is purported to be around 600 BC.
Since the United Kingdom of Israel is not supported by archaeological evidence, I consider the Deuteronomic reform to be the earliest possible origin of the Jews (Judeans).
Less than a century after finding their Bible, the Jews were supposedly carted off to Babylon where they wrote the Zionist prophecies that would become Christianity.
Although, in the book of Isaiah, the Messiah actually shows up at the end. He is Cyrus.
I think the Deuteronomic Reform and the Babylonian Captivity are fiction too.
I think there was no Judaism or Hebraism before the Septuagint, circa 250 BC.
Can anybody prove me wrong?
Peter Hitchens was reverted back to Christianity after viewing Rogier van der Weyden, Last Judgment in a museum, he wrote a book Rage Against God and debated his atheist brother Christopher Hitchens before he passed away.
The book is partly intended as a response to God Is Not Great, a book written by his brother Christopher Hitchens in 2007.
Peter Hitchens, with particular reference to events which occurred in the Soviet Union, argues that his brother’s verdict on religion is misguided, and that faith in God is both a safeguard against the collapse of civilisation into moral chaos and the best antidote to what he views as the dangerous idea of earthly perfection through utopianism.
Hitchens first referred to The Rage Against God in August 2009, in one of his weekly columns: “Above all, I seek to counter the assertion, central to my brother’s case … that the Soviet regime was in fact religious in character. This profound misunderstanding of the nature of the USSR is the key to finding another significant flaw in what is in general his circular argument”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rage_Against_God
Hitchens then asserts that, “The Christian Church has been powerfully damaged by letting itself be confused with love of country and the making of great wars”.[11]
In Chapter 6, Hitchens recalls being a foreign correspondent in the Soviet Union and a trip to Mogadishu, and how these experiences convinced him that, “his own civilisation was infinitely precious and utterly vulnerable”.[12] In Chapter 7, Hitchens charts his return to Christianity, and makes particular reference to the experience of seeing the Rogier van der Weyden painting The Last Judgement:[4] “I gaped, my mouth actually hanging open. These people did not appear remote or from the ancient past; they were my own generation … I had absolutely no doubt I was among the damned”.[4] In Chapter 8, Hitchens examines the diminishing of Christianity in Britain and its potential causes.[13][14]
Part Two: Addressing Atheism: Three Failed Arguments……
–”Communist ethics make it the highest duty to accept the necessity of acting wickedly. This is the greatest sacrifice the revolution asks from us”, and Leon Trotsky’s claiming that “morality, more than any other form of ideology, has a class character”.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beaune_Altarpiece
The souls undergo a gradual transformation as they move from panel to panel. Those rising from their graves at Michael’s feet show little expression, but become more animated as they move to either side; horror and desperation become especially visible on the faces of the damned as they move towards Hell.[39]
On the left, the saved have, according to Jacobs, “the same beatific expressions”, but their postures gradually change from facing Christ and Michael to looking towards Heaven’s gate, most notably with the couple below Mary where the man turns the woman’s gaze away from Michael, and towards Heaven.[39] This contrasts with another couple on the opposite panel who face Hell; the woman is hunched over as the man raises his hand in vain to beseech God for mercy.[40]
Heaven is represented by an entrance to the Heavenly City, which is in a contemporary Gothic style illuminated by long, thin rays of light. The saved approach clasping their hands in prayer and are greeted at the entrance by an angel.[37] Only a few souls pass through the heavenly gates at a time.[35] The imagery of a church as an earthly representation of Heaven was popularised in the 13th century by theologians such as Durandus;[41] the gate to Heaven in this work resembles the entrance to the Beaune hospice.[42] The way to Heaven is shown clearly as a gilded church – the saved ascend a set of steps, turn right, and disappear from sight.[43] It is fully enclosed in a single panel, whereas Hell extends onto the adjoining panel, perhaps hinting that sin contaminates all around it.[44]
PETER HITCHENS | CHRIST IS KING
Ælfred
Hitchens’ material arguments for Christianity.
Your remarks about Phillip K. Dick were great fun. I wonder what Dick would have thought about Fomenko’s argument that supposedly ancient Greek and Roman civilization are relatively recent, Medieval powers, and that the first Roman capital was in Greek-speaking Alexandria, the second in the vicinity of Constantinople, and the third in Russia, Italian Rome being a kind of theme park mostly created by refugees from the fall of Constantinople in 1453 CE, complete with rewritten history from Constantinople.
Is the Greek language really over 3000 years old? Here is the impression of an American professor of Greek, Robert Saxes II of Ohio State University upon his first visit to Greece (as quoted in “Re – Dating of Ancient Greece 500 BC = 1800 AD?” by Sylvain Tristan:
I suppose it would be, especially considering that Greece was supposedly under Roman influence for about a thousand years, then occupied by Frankish French, then conquered by the Turks. I remember reading that, according to one ambassador a few hundred years back, upon his arrival, he couldn’t find anyone who spoke Greek there; they were all “Slavs.”
To continue the quote above from the present-day American professor:
It is so difficult for modern speakers of English to understand Chaucer, but apparently no problem at all for Greeks to understand Homer. This makes confident statements based upon the commonly accepted timeline rather shaky.
It really did a number on Africans. Being in harmony with the Tropics and North-West Africa hampers a lot of civilizational and cultural development that helped out the Whites and Asians in the Northern zones.
E. Michael Jones is a KGB asset and guilty of immeasurable treason against the USA/West
https://fitzinfo.net/?s=e+michael+jones
“In the present phase, secret agents in the Catholic and other churches are being used to implement Communist strategy.” (1) —Soviet defector Mr. Anatoliy Golitsyn – The Perestroika Deception,
E. Michael Jones dossier
E. Michael Jones, Dugin, and the Perestroika deception (Timothy Fitzpatrick)
Does E Michael Jones exalt the sun or the Son? (Alternative Irish Media)
Jones uses Opus Dei priest Jeffrey Langan to suggest Russia is consecrated, West is evil (Culture Wars)
Jones claims Russia converted (42:45 and 59:00), says Bp. Richard Williamson hass same view (Restoring the Faith—Youtube)
KGB asset E. Michael Jones’ obsession with Soviet satellite Iran, Duginist anti-Westernism continues (Culture Wars)
Suspected KGB asset E. Michael Jones couldn’t help but praise dictator Vladimir Putin with Soviet-Islamist host Kevin Barrett; later rants against race realism in typical commie fashion [around 34-minute mark] (Culture Wars)
E. Michael Jones with Dugin and “rabbi” Dovid Weiss, son of Soviet Polish-Hungarian parents (6th Intl. New Horizon Conference)
The Logos of E. Michael Jones (Occidental Observer)
Shut the fuck stupid Serb Gypsy.
> Serbian-Roman emperors (Galerius, Licinius, Constantine)
Stop posting this bull shit you animal. Not a single Serb ever existed in the balkans before 500ad. Kosovo was never serbia, Serbia isn’t even Serbia. Your land is in the east.
Serbs are Gypsies. Their genes are not native to the balkans. They cannot claim Kosovo on genetic basis or even Serbia.
The Serb animal odyssey never challenges me on anything to do with genetics which has disproven Serbian bullshit 10 years ago and still destroys them every year with more evidence. He runs away like a tranny with his dick inbetween his legs.
Just to educate you on the balkans and genetics ie ydna (chromosome of father that passes down to son):
j2b-l283 were found in cetina culture gravesites dating to 1500 bc croatia and E-V13 found in Lengyel culture circa 4000 bc hungary and R1b-z2103 found in vucedol culture gravesites circa 3000 bc “serbia”. All these genes are found in over 70% of Albanian males but less than 25% of Serbian males (who have Albanian forefathers). Serbian genetics ie the genes I2a-L621 and R1a (Slav) were never found in the balkans or central europe before 500 ad. I’m familiar with this stuff and it’s well known to the genetics community. Recently some fake results have been put in, one by a Czech author that put i2a-l621 gravesite dating to the Bronze Age in Croatia circa 1500 bc, however upon further inspection the maternal lineage only ever formed in 1300 AD meaning that person couldn’t have possibly lived in 1500bc! So we have even people in these communities of similar genetic stock as Serbs pushing a narrative and falsifying the evidence for one express purpose. To give Serbs the right of land when they have NO RIGHT OF land. Thankfully a lot of these clowns have been exposed, another Bulgarian did the same thing. The Slav genes are not European at all. They came here and stole land and have the gall to say it was always there. Notice that Serbs, Czechs, poles, Croats, bulgars, Slovaks, Slovenes, Romanian Slavs, Hungarian Slavs all live on stolen land, all claim it’s there land. They need to go back to Russia; their homeland. They’ve done enough damage as is! There’s a reason Hitler had Slavs just as much as jews, even more so.
Heres my sources you;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lengyel_culture
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cetina_culture
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vu%C4%8Dedol_culture
“All the best people go to prison — Socrates, Sade, Hitler. More recently, Joseph Paul Franklin, die Brüder Schweigen, Charles Manson, Ted Kaczynski, Anders Breivik, Brenton Tarrant, and many more, both famous and obscure. Just as steel is tempered to make a better weapon, men are put in prison in order to acquire the necessary hardness.”
Yes. I’ve observed that some of the greatest men of the past one hundred years spent time in prison. I thought Charles Manson’s way of handling his virtually lifelong imprisonment was fantastic, especially his wise insights that “the way out is not through the gate”. I engage in regular correspondence with two former associates of Charles Manson, namely Nikolas Schreck and James Mason. Another one of my favourites was Barry Mills who rose to become the leader of the Aryan Brotherhood prison gang in the American prison system from the 1980s until his death. He ended up enjoying prison, deliberately committing crimes to get back into prison because he could thrive inside there as a highly respected kingpin of organized crime in America.
Ever since my late teenage years I’ve always been fascinated by prison, especially American prisons. I remember watching documentaries about white supremacist prison gangs and loving the ruthlessness of the environment. It’s not an accident that I’ve ended up in trouble with “the Law”. It fits right in with the bigger picture of my life’s destiny. Just under two years ago I and my co-defendant appeared before a judge at the Old Bailey court in London where William Joyce and John Amery were put on trial, essentially for being part of the same cause as Joyce and Amery, only eight decades further down the line. I’m aware of my individual place and purpose within the big picture of human history as a whole.
“The torture of prison — the main point of it — is to expose you unremittingly to the depredations of your “fellow man”, and this would be defeated if everyone got his own cell.”
I have an associate who spent some time in prisons here in England. He said “the people are the punishment. If you were in there on your own it wouldn’t be a punishment.”
As far as ‘punishment’, I’ve already suffered immensely since I was 17 when I was incarcerated in a mental institute for ‘mental illness’. I’ve spent a year of my life locked up for ‘insanity’ already. I’m used to suffering and I don’t expect mercy from life. Life shows little to no mercy to certain people. Consequently I have become merciless. In fact I’ve come to love the suffering and evil of this planet. As long as humans are suffering justice is being done that’s what I say. From my teenage years I’ve been obsessed with Satan, Hitler, Charles Manson, Evil, crime, serial killers etc. If I do go to prison I imagine I should feel right at home. It’s part of being a revolutionary, an outlaw. When I was younger the British state termed my thoughts and words ‘insane’, now my words and thoughts are ‘illegal’ haha. I’ve been termed bi-polar, schizoaffective, autistic, aspergers, a terrorist, far right etc. by the usual psychological ‘experts’. I’m sure you can imagine my life’s story Dr. Morgan. It’s the same story lived by thousands of other ‘dangerous males’ all across the West.
I’ll finish with an amusing anecdote. Ten years ago Carolyn Yeager interviewed Tom Metzger and Metzger was talking about the Jews’ collective will to power. Carolyn asked Metzger “Where’s our will to power?” and Metzger paused for a split second then said “They’re all in prison”. Yeager was appalled by Terrible Tommy’s statement and said “Oh, come on.” I wouldn’t have expected her to understand but Metzger most certainly did lol.
Thanks for your words of support anyway.
The story is simple.old testament said stop human sacrifice.christianity went to south America and put and end to it.
All religion does is give you the will and intent to survive.
Thomas, if you don’t believe in God you shouldn’t use Jesus to make that point in support of your argument.
Jesus is not God but was with God before man was created.
If I was you, stick to exposing the Jew and leave Jesus alone.
Don’t be inviting trouble for yourself by committing acts of blasphemy.
What is the basic history of Belgrade? A city that straddles the Danube River downstream from Vienna and Budapest.
It appears to have become a Slav city in 500-600AD. It’s as Old Serb as Paris is France, and London is England. The depopulation by Atilla might have made this possible. Before that it was a Dacian-Celt-Roman in that order.
Then I am a kgb asset too.
that was beautiful, thank you.
That’s fine.
“may at best have been written by the secretary of Peter in Rome”
I understood the “may” as referring to the secretary writing and not to the presence of Peter in Rome.
Appreciate your elucidation.
It comes down to this:
If it is all a lie, I’ve lost nothing.
If it is true, you’ve lost everything.
@ all Christians + non-Christians here and / or elsewhere
Check out the gj comment ( 476) at : https://www.unz.com/aanglin/it-sure-as-heck-looks-like-the-blacks-are-out-of-control/
5.35 :
” The Roman Emperor Justinian the Great had engraved on a coin the image of Yahushua aka JC with wooly kinky hair & black features…
On the obverse side of the coin there is an image of Justinian but with straight hair….”
(A douche coin / reminds me in a way of that “Ein Nazi fahrt nach Palestina und erzahlt davon” coin minted by Joseph Goebbels the pr man of AH)
CIA O
What we know is dwarfed by what we think we know, which in turn is dwarfed by what we do not know.
This is why principles matter.
My principles are elaborated here: https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/declaration-transcript
I want to see all the secret shit in the basement of the Vatican.
In the wise words of philosopher-poet Muddy Waters: You Can’t Lose What You Ain’t Never Had.
Having brooded over the the truth of Christianity and Jesus’ historicity for a very long time, I’ve come to the conclusion that, at the origins, Jesus was a Jewish Messiah of the Zealot type. He may or may not have been “real,” and unless something unequivocal is unearthed we will never know. He may have been a Jewish Nationalist aspirational fiction, an actual anti-Roman insurgent and bandit leader, a single individual or a composite figure, or any combination of these. This “real” Jesus was a Jewish nationalist. He was fanatical and fervently anti-Roman and anti-Gentile. What he absolutely wasn’t was some wandering universalist nice-guy antisemitic rabbi with magical powers who happened to be the son of the Almighty.
It’s a nexus of Hellenic Jews, probably in Alexandria, who effectively created Christianity. They were motivated by a personal desire to obfuscate the contemporary political reality on the ground in Judea and the ethnic alien, hostile attitudes and intentions of Jews towards Gentiles generally. So it began as War propaganda, as a sort of ancient world ethnic Public Relations. These same Jews had concocted their own Greek-styled “History” only a few centuries earlier in a Greek milieu, under Greek rule.
Under Roman rule, then in the context of a century or more of violent Jewish insurgencies, they produced bowdlerizing ethnoreligious fictions about the nature of the conflict and about its leader or leaders: This Jesus you might have heard about wasn’t a violent, anti-Roman, apocalyptic, Jewish insurgent who believed he heralded a Divine liquidation of the occupying Gentiles and the establishment of a Kingdom of YHWH in their place– he was a pacifist, a peregrine philosopher, he loved Romans and encouraged compliance with Roman rule, he was a meek and mild universalist, and was practically a blonde-haired blue-eyed Socrates. Given enough time and enough mendacious scribbling hands– Jewish, then brown, then finally white– a bloodthirsty Jewish bandit bent on ethnic vengeance became the savior and creator of the universe.
It caught on first with North African “Romans” who had their own reasons and resentments. It begins as lies, so the compulsion to lie and revise its own origins and history relentlessly is its defining characteristic, its primary, propelling trope. There is so much lying and retro-historicizing there is hardly anything else; it’s a gigantic palimpsest of competing lies, centuries under construction. Anyone intellectually honest finds it difficult to say anything definitive about it, because there is no way to know when any of it was actually written or by whom, even from passage to passage. Did “Paul” exist in the 50s? Or later? Or as late as the 3rd or 4th Century? Did he exist at all? Is he a purposeful fiction, too? There is no way ever to know, and that goes for the whole thing, and is by design, why it exists at all.
Christian Identity types participate in this retrohisoricizing trope when they tell us that Jesus was White; Jesus was not Jewish; etc. They are doing the exact same thing the first Christians did, compulsively repeating and participating in the same origins-revising, primacy-seeking, historicizing, rationalizing trope that is the defining feature of every Abrahamism. Even the New Atheist Mythicists who insist that Jesus didn’t exist but was born out of a gnostic vapor are also guilty of the exact same thing.
If you checked the bottom of the article, you would see his website: http://www.thomasdaltonphd.com. How about that, for starters?
From what I can tell the Romans barely paid any attention to the character at all.
Jesus who? The Greeks otoh write a Rashomon style suite of stories about this character.
While I don’t dispute these points you have made, the earliest reference to “Miriam” is not in the Maccabees but rather in the Book of Exodus, where she is introduced as the sister of my ancestor, Aaron the Priest:
“And Miriam the prophetess, the sister of Aaron, took a timbrel in her hand; and all the women went out after her with timbrels and with dances.
And Miriam answered them, Sing ye to the Lord, for he hath triumphed gloriously; the horse and his rider hath he thrown into the sea.”
– Exodus 15:20-21, the Bible, KJV
Old Testament was a foreshadowing of Jesus Christ – The God of Israel, the Saviour.
Wow, you seem well versed in history and specially in the semitic religion and history. Could you recommend some books to read? I’m interested.
Thank you.
What really got me started on the history and linguistics of Christianity and Judaism are the books of D.M. Murdock (aka Acharya S). Her books on the subject of Jesus mythicism are chock full of facts and citations of other authors. You don’t have to always agree with her ideas to appreciate the wealth of knowledge that she offers. In particular I would suggest The Christ Conspiracy, Suns of God, and Christ in Egypt.
I would also very much recommend Joseph Atwill and Caesar’s Messiah. Again, I don’t agree with all of his ideas. But he offers great historical context and a solid basis for treating the Gospels as intentional works of literature.
I absolutely recommend Richard Carrier and Jesus from Outer Space. As always, he reaches some different conclusions than I would, but his treatment of Paul and the “cosmic” Christ is outstanding.
I also recommend an interlinear Septuagint and New Testament. BibleHub.com is a great tool if you want to peek at the masoretic Hebrew.
I definitely recommend studying the Amarna letters and the history of Akhenaten.
I have also learned quite a bit, especially in regards to “paleo Hebrew” and the origins of the Hebrew language by surfing Wikipedia.
And yet after all this reading and searching I still know of no evidence of Hebrew language or culture that predates the Septuagint.
The Bhagavad Gita sits atop my pile of holy books, with the Upanishads beneath.
Namaste
Also some day I will publish my own book called “The Evolution of Jesus Christ” if I ever get tired of giving my content to Unz.
So, you’ll have with what to wipe yourself after unloading your ‘content’ here.
..an excellent read, “ The Jesus Hoax” (2017), by Dr.David Skrbina (University of Michigan)..&..
“ Beyond the Crusades” (2016) by Michael Paulkovich ( NASA systems engineer)..
..Jesus Christ NEVER existed, DO not believe in him, and we should adopt the ancient Roman/Greek Hellenic religions! Nature worship, physical laws!
“A” for effort.
What does the Koran/Quran/Qur’an have to say about this?
Esau’s Edomites Rule, Genesis 27:40
They’ll say they’re Jews, Revelation 2:9 & 3:9
Jesus calls them Sons of Satan, John 8:44
Satan’s Sons are GOG, Revelation 20:7-9
God orders them slain, Obadiah 18
Good to see Hitler was a Talmudic Pharisee.
Dalton really is an illogical creature!
First denying the existence of Jesus!
Then relying on the gospel concerning Mary!
Dalton is the ultimate Herzl-creature!
Provning Nazism=Schulchan Aruch.
We have only two systems: Christian freedom or Judaic Fascism!
Dalton proclaims the latter!
There will always be migration, difference is the Richard von Coudenhove-Kalergi plan. It’s goal among many is to dilute nations and their religion, conforming to one, prepared by Rockefeller and as a consequence Rothschild.
The war is religion, Christianity, versus blood, materialism and so called race, which is Talmudic Pharisaism, Freemasonry and Nazism.
Remember folks, Nazism has the exact same mentality as the people who stoned Stephanus!
That is exactly how far Christianity is from so called Judaism=Pharisaic Talmudism.
White so called supremacists should educate themselves on this matter, or they will end up fighting in the wrong war.
It’s not wrong loving your country and fellow brethren, but don’t fall for the race card, constructed by Rockefeller and Rothschild!
” don’t fall for the race card, constructed by Rockefeller and Rothschild!”
No problem the race card / but follow the right card / uh map….
The Bantu Branch of ‘Africans’ are Hebrew Israelites acc. to Western scholars Joseph Edelberg & Dierk Lange…
(…) Joseph Eidelberg, in his book “Bambara”, highlighted the presence of Israelite descendants migrating into West Africa during the Exodus. He records the Israelite influence he noticed amongst various African cultures….
DNA analysis of the mummy of Pharaoh Rameses III showed he possessed the E1B1a gene. This gene connects sub-Saharan (Niger/Congo/Bantu/Israelite) Africans, aka Contemporary Equatorial Africans, to the Ancient Egyptians.
The fact that Pharaoh Rameses III possessed the E1b1a gene is very significant because it reveals the link between the ancient Egyptians and the sub-Saharan Africans both identified as Israelites.
http://dierklange.com/pdf/LOST_TRIBES_OF_ISRAEL.pdf page 3 / Map: The great migration of refugees from the collapsing Assyrian Empire c. 605 BC according to the Yoruba tradition.
The Bamana & the Yoruba can both be connected to Ancient Egypt and the Israelites. Cheikh Anta Diop, in his book, Precolonial Black Africa, refers to the researcher Jonathan Olumide Lucas, who connects the Yoruba with Egypt (…) – nairaland forum
https://es.scribd.com/book/528997916/BAMBARA-Uncovering-The-Hidden-Footsteps-From-the-Pillar-of-Fire-to-the-Rising-Sun
Acc. to Joseph Eidelberg some of “The Lost Tribes” after their exile in Assyria made it via Asia all the way to Japan / he presents in his book “some known historical records of the Japanese people since the time they arrived in their islands”
Eidelberg is not the only researcher in this http://www.noirguides.com/blackshogunofjapan.html
34.05 ” These images are from Japan…Fudo My´O. Patron of the Samurai. One of Five Wisdom Kings in Japanese Mythology
(I remember that”Dublinsmick” who is Jenseits now had a lengthy piece on the ancient Hebrews in Japan / Kenny´s Sideshow – auch schon Jenseits -praised him for it….)
CIA O
His website is a pathetic set of ads. It the kind of website that a hoaxer would make for a sock puppet pseudonym. The website does not provide any scholarly peer-reviewed publications. No paper trail. No CV. No evidence that Dalton ever graduated from any accredited schools.
I suspect that k Mac d is using Thomas Dalton as a pen name.
From the website at:
https://www.thomasdaltonphd.com/
Quote:
>Thomas Dalton is a professor of humanities at a major American university.
Comment: Of course, he does not want to mention the name of that university, or the department in which he works, or the courses he teaches.
From the “about” page at:
https://www.thomasdaltonphd.com/about-5
Dalton lists a yahoo.com email address as his preferred contact method. It seems odd that he does not link to his university’s email address, but that is not a deal-breaker.
1) What year did he finish his Ph.D. and can I read a copy of his dissertation? Most universities and scholars are happy to provide free PDF copies of dissertations on request.
2) What coursework did he do to finish his Ph.D.? Was his specialty in history, ancient languages, sociology of religion?
3) How many peer-reviewed papers has he published? Can I get the citations? Does he use DOI format to list his key papers?
Comment: I suspect many folks who comment here have done some graduate work. Perhaps some commenters have actual Ph.D. degrees. Many of us have done “peer review.” Part of peer review is sniffing out obvious fakes and hoaxes. “Thomas Dalton” looks like an online persona, i.e. a sock-puppet, used for not-very-plausible deniability. Perhaps Kevin MacDonald wants to pose as an expert in Bible studies without actually doing any coursework in the history of the Bible. Perhaps Kevin MacDonald (with or without co-authors) is writing screeds under the pen name “Thomas Dalton.” Now Kevin MacDonald is a real scholar with real limitations. I can examine his publication record and verify that he graduated from accredited schools. But I suspect Kevin MacDonald is not very familiar with the relevant peer-reviewed journals in Biblical archaeology.
Brilliant! I love the article. I haven’t seen this type of debunking of the biblical claims since Gerald Massey and later Holger Kersten. You might want to add that the city of Nazareth didn’t exist until several hundred years after Jesus. The actual translation from the original Greek is more likely Nazarene, which, if he lived, is very possibly the sect he belonged to.
I still think my favorite book on the topic is “Is It God’s Word”, by Joseph Wheless.
Any serious scholar of biblical fallacy needs this in their library.
https://infidels.org/library/historical/joseph-wheless-is-it-gods-word/
Keep up the good work.
Thomas Dalton is a pseudonym. There is no such person as Thomas Dalton, PhD. That’s why I don’t think a pseudonym should be allowed to use the PhD. Is the PhD a pseudonym too?
Great more sophistic metapolitical nihilism…
There’s a high likelihood YOU don’t exist even through your hyperreal polemics under your same line of ontological justifications. You didn’t create yourself nor this reality.
So you just will-to-power whatever arbitrary values come to your illogical mind till you inevitably wink out of existence… all to avoid the Truth.
Pathetic.
As you have written, the identity of the “666 beast” is of great importance in decoding the Revelation of John. Although the common interpretation of “666” is a numerological code for Nero, Irenaeus thought the Greek name for Titus – Teitan was also worthy of consideration, since it also reduces to “666” in the numerology of those times.
The story line seems a little more coherent if Titus is the 666 beast, since the beast with 10 horns and 7 heads, one of which was injured but healed – the beast who gives power to the 666 beast – would then logically be Titus’ father, Vespasian, who sustained a serious head wound during one of his military campaigns, but recovered.
In turn, the beast with 10 horns and 7 heads received power from the red dragon who tried to destroy the woman with 12 stars above her head (also pregnant with the Sun), and then came down to earth to wage war on her offspring. The red dragon is explicitly identified as Satan and many assume the woman is Mary, but Nero, according to Suetonius, kicked his pregnant Jewish wife to death, killing an heir to the throne in the process, and gave Vespasian to task of defeating the Jews in Judea, a task then passed on to Titus. According to a play on numerology by Josephus, Vespasian waged war in Judea for 3 1/2 years (42 months) and then gave command over to Titus for the remaining 3 1/2 years (42 months). Similarly, in Revelation, the beast is given authority for 42 months, the number 42 also being important in the musical allegory hidden in the text.
The famous power of the 666 beast to allow buying and selling only with the mark of the beast might well be the decree by Titus that all of Judea became his personal property after the war. According to Josephus, Titus left 800 of his former soldiers in the 10th legion to look after Judea. I’m wondering if the “mark of the beast” refers to the practice of demarcation of coins in a country being occupied by the 10th legion – the adding of an imprint to the face or tail side of each coin used in transactions. Could be a literary allusion to that strategy of control.
It’s worth considering for a moment how this might change the interpretation of the whole book. Revelation might still be an attack against everything Roman, but then again it might be a personal attack against Titus by a Roman rival. It may be of relevance that Suetonius wrote that Domitian had slighted the deceased Titus in several of his edicts upon becoming emperor. There is even speculation that Domitian assassinated Titus.
Joseph Atwill has wondered if the Revelation of John was actually one of Domitian’s edicts. Actually, when one compares the description of Domitian by Suetonius with description of the God in the Revelation, the correspondences are stunning. For example, Domitian insisted that everyone around him address him as “Lord God” and insisted that all in his presence where white robes. The mention of white robes is almost an obsession in the Revelation.
Now I’ve really heard it all. I’ve been told by others Rameses was a redhead with very white skin.
“Herodotus on Ancient Africa: There is no Sub-Saharan” / American Historian Kennedy : “there is no white people running around in ancient Egypt….” ameriKKKA or the Las Vegas syndrome
Ethiopian is Greek meaning sunlight burnt face / “The Father of History ” – Herodotus – surfed the Nile himself & called the Egyptians of his time he saw : Ethiopian…..
https://blackhistory938.wordpress.com/2017/12/15/ancient-egyptians/
*The mummified head of Ramses III is compared to todays heads ( hopefully for the owners of these heads they are are still breathing) in Sudan / Nubia with high cheekbones / black skin…
An Egyptian immigrant – Mostafa Hefny- who lives in Detroit is asking the U.S. government since 1978 to classify him as black, not white…..
https://www.cbsnews.com/detroit/news/detroit-immigrant-wants-to-be-re-classified-as-black/
( read his story / imv thats where the shoe does not fit globally / yesterday I saw a recent news slice somewhere that todays worlds money monopolist Ashkenazi j. Jacob RotSchild claims that his baby eating & kid blood drinking family has ancient Egyptian descent ….)
….h.a.n.d have a nice day
CIA O
so tomas dalton is fake!?
how could it be else with such hogwash!
Who said he was a fake? And what is the evidence? If you don’t like it, refute the argument! Don’t just call it “hogwash”. If you can’t, then his points stand.
If you don’t like his argument, just refute it, with actual evidence. Then you win!
If you can’t, then perhaps he’s right.
The discussions denying the existence of Jesus are very interesting. This denial comes mainly from only one religion: Atheism. For the most part, the other major religions do not deny the existence of Jesus, the man. They may have nothing to say about him, or they may deny he is the Son of God, but they do not deny his existence. Even the Talmud mentions him, albeit it, in a very unflattering manner. Only the Atheist religion denies his existence.
But you may say, Atheism is not a religion, it is a logical and fact based belief. But it is neither logical nor fact based. There is no fact that proves that Jesus did not exist. And it is certainly not logical. If it were logical, it would be based on a reward-punishment evaluation; see the following paragraph. Ergo, Atheism is a religion.
Look at Christianity versus Atheism from logical reward-punishment viewpoints. First Atheism. If Atheists are correct and there is no God/Jesus, when they die they cease to exist. Atheists do not even get a chance to say “I told you so.” Nothing is the Atheists’ reward. However, if Atheists are wrong and Jesus not only exists but is the Son of God, then Atheists are in a world of hurt. Worst case, Atheists go to an eternal punishment, which may include various beings telling them “I told you so”, forever.
Now Christianity. Worst case for a believing Christian: nothing; the Atheists were right and they no longer exist. The best case is they go to heaven and are reunited with loved ones and beloved pets, forever. Obviously, from a reward-punishment viewpoint Christianity is a better bet than Atheism. It is the better, logical choice.
As Shakespeare said, “There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are thought of in your philosophy. But, maybe Atheists don’t believe Shakespeare wrote that; Atheists are such doubters.
Atheism; aka, self-worship = Satanism. Atheism is self-worship because one cannot identify a God greater than himself. This is the world’s worst religion because if one can look at his life and not see anything greater, there is a problem that will probably never be fixed.
Satan in Hebrew means “adversary,” meaning adversary to God’s worship; I.e, your cell phone and your TV are “Satans.” The big scaly guy with the tail was Ha Satan meaning “the greatest adversary of all.
If you place yourself above God, you are worshiping an Adversary, making you a Satanist.
Stick to debunking the Holocaust
An old boxer faced his last fight. His youthful friend secretly made a big wish for victory. Miraculously the old man won. Upon returning home the boy told him of the wish. The old fighter was unable to believe this miracle was true.. Upon denial the old man was spirited back to the ring- in defeat.
Moral: If you do not believe in miracles, you will never have one.
You’ve got to believe.
(T.Zone.)
“The old style Christianity was capable of beheading 4500 Saxons”
What exactly is a Christianity that disobeys the plain commands of christ? Essentially what you. and christians, are doing is the trans thing: “I identify as this thing that I am not.” Jesus taught pacifism. That is real christianity. The church was CINO. Anyone who claims otherwise is sinply lying.
This cowardice masquerading as logic is typical bet hedging used by christians who know their cult isnt true, but who lack the integrity to act accordingly. They are also always ignorant of the fact that the bible specifically prohibits bet hedging.
..ONE does NOT need to be a Phd to know that the biblical Jesus Christ NEVER existed…!…?
Let’s say that he did exist (historical, magic guy, etc.), there is NO physical description of him ANY where in the gospels, so WHO to look for, when praying to this guy…?
..read another good book, “Beyond the Crusades” (2017), by Michael Paulkovich (NASA scientist, atheist and all around nice guy! If it’s so difficult to prove that Jesus existed, then this useless, guessing game character is not worthy of mention, let alone worship! Thomas Jefferson (and buddy, Paine) were to implement the Roman/Greek Hellenistic religion as official religion of America, but too bad that other issues got in the way for these “new age” thinkers…!…?
Exactly. Many have said that the the religion being practised should be called Paulinity instead. That’s arguable perhaps. But what is certainly true is that the vast majority of “christians” don’t really follow Jesus.
There’s no foundation to the claim that Charlemagne killed 4500 (or however many) pagan Saxons. In the usual telling, 4500 Saxon soldiers were beheaded for refusing to be baptized. Now just hold that thought and try to picture it.
How many headsmen would we need to do the deed? Maybe a thousand? A few hundred? Do you make the Saxons stand in line or do you tie them to trees first? Either way, it’s gonna take a while.
And then when you offer each a little holy water, they all supposedly say—all 4500 of them—”None for me, thanks! Being beheaded is more my kind o’ game!”
Preposterous. Why does this nonsense persist?
This notion that “Jesus was a Jew” rests on two doubtful premises. One is that Mary was a Jew, the other is that “Jew” meant the same thing, ethnically and religiously, as it does today.
To take the second premise first, the Talmudic Judaism that exists today may be a descendant, an offshoot, of the Hebraic tradition of the Old Testament, just as Christianity is. But it is certainly not identical to any Hebraic sect that existed in Judaea in the 1st century A.D., and today’s ethnic Jews are not mostly descended from 1st century Hebraic Judaeans. Therefore, “Jesus was a Jew” is essentially meaningless.
As to the idea that Mary was Jewish, she can’t have been in any way that is meaningful today. The Talmud itself rejects the notion, claiming that she was a gentile Galilean. “Galilean” seems to have two meanings, relating to a location in Palestine and also to a Hebraic sect or practice. It’s firmly established that there were varying sects and practices in the Hebraic tradition. The Pharisees did not consider Samaritans to be true “Jews,” for whatever reason, and their Talmudist descendants evidently felt the same way about Galileans.
Regardless, whether you’re agnostic or Christian or Jewish (ethnically or religiously), you cannot seriously maintain that the Son of Man was a Jew.
One would be sufficient and it’s not as though confining/restraining large numbers of people hasn’t been done before. How long does it take to decapitate someone? Hardly any time at all. There are no serious logistical problems.
How do you know that they were given the choice of changing their minds up until the last minute? Even then peer pressure and feelings of honor may have prevailed. It’s said that certain Christians preferred to be devoured by wild beasts over recanting their beliefs publicly. In Japan one of the methods of sepoku involved ripping out your own guts. People really did this.
Biblical scholars don’t even know what the phrase “Son of Man” meant. If Jesus wasn’t Jewish why did he concern himself with the Jewish religion? Before Christianity and Islam, non-Jews didn’t even take an interest in it.
Jesus was baptised by John The Baptist. Does that make him a Christian?