So at this point we should just go ahead and assume that the Deagle population estimate for 2025 is, if anything, hopeful? Have any “thin end of the wedge” ideas turned out wrong? The one silver lining is that nobody reads New York magazine.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/19/style/modern-love-monogamy-polyamory-relationships-have-no-clothes.html

And now a message from a prominent American who endorsed Sailer’s new book:

Do glue traps work when trying to exterminate harmful pathologies in a society?

OT — Check it out —
https://www.militaryaccountability.com
Should the officers who imposed the vax get away with it?
https://takeourborderback.com
An American Honkening.

Where does loyalty come into play — not just loyalty to a relationship or a partner, but loyalty to one’s self? “More” explores these questions — and more.

One of the most nauseating features of contemporary therapeutic culture is its ‘arbeit macht frei’, ‘slavery is freedom’ inversions. “Loyalty to one’s self” was known as selfishness not long ago. There should be a “stolen valor” punishment for these inversions of meaning.

Why do such lame people believe their life stories to be compelling?

She is ugly and her husband an effete loser for tolerating this. No one is jealous of her life.

Well, even Trump said that the Americans must come together no matter who they are liberal or conservative. Maybe he meant this. Or he has a dementia like Deborah. >/a>

Just like there’s no such thing as a lesbian, but only a woman who’s given up on finding a quality man**, there is no such thing as a polyamorous woman. You show me a polyamorous woman, and I’ll show you a woman who hasn’t found the right man yet. Polyamorous men otoh are just scheming horndogs 👺

** because she is ugly and painfully self-aware

Yaaaawn. That Washington Post story looks like it was lifted verbatim from a New York Magazine feature, April 1970.

Polyamory will get some traction given what lousy people many American women have become.

Leftists and LGBTQ folks have been pushing this for years and it will continue.

Winter is at her home in Brooklyn. She has just had sex with her boyfriend while her two children sleep upstairs…Winter, 51

When I first read this, I was picturing children who are too young to be in school. But at 51, her children are old enough know the score…

Anyway, for those who don’t want to click, while I wouldn’t describe Winter as attractive per se, she looks traditionally feminine and well within the acceptable range for a woman her age. She isn’t fat and she has a feminine hairstyle that is either its natural color or is dyed back to its natural color.

Molly Roden Winter’s memoir, ‘More,’ is a very frank — and very hot — look at her non-monogamous union

While I haven’t read this particular tome, I am going to doubt it is hot

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“White Woman Explains Why As An Anti-Racist Ally She Refuses To Say Any Word That Starts With ‘N’”

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When I first read this, I was picturing children who are too young to be in school. But at 51, her children are old enough know the score…

It’s phrased somewhat misleadingly. She’s 51 now. She embarked on her ‘excellent adventure’ around 15 years ago.

“About a third of Americans surveyed in a YouGov poll in February of 2023 said they preferred some form of non monogamy in relationships.”

This is one of those statistics that needs to be separated out by race and ethnicity. Being married and having a girlfriend on the side seems to be very common among Hispanics, especially among illegals. I get the impression that it’s pretty common among those few blacks who get married (although there’s also black males who have gay relationships on the side (the down low)). I’m not sure how common it is in the white community.

My initial thought after reading this was that it’s time for conservatives to embrace Islam. You need some cultural force to rein in society and family destroying pathologies and Christianity just isn’t up to it any more.

Obviously an overreaction, but how much?

I say she just made it up to sell books. How could you possibly find time for this sort of thing? I’d also say it would be a bit unusual for a woman to find enough “part-time lovers” (thanks, Stevie Wonder) for anything other than an occasional affair. You can’t go around being sexually aroused all the time unless you are a man and even then you have to get some sleep so you can go to work the next morning.

“My initial thought after reading this was that it’s time for conservatives to embrace Islam.”

You mean the religion where men can have multiple wives and the women must wait their turn?

Polyamory’s increasing popularity has been riding the coattails of the acceptance of the logic of “outsourcing.” With polyamory, a responsibility that is more effectively performed in-house (nurturance) is kept in-house, while an experience that is more effectively encountered elsewhere (eroticism) is outsourced. This is a calculation made by bottom-line-oriented men, and should be studied by business-school professors who teach outsourcing, with the help of psychologists who study mechanisms in which the wires get crossed. Aside from the above theory, in many cases polyamory is simply a scheme by men.

The problem with polygamy is it lacks a fanatical faction and a particular identity.

Homos have been united and dogged in their efforts. And they represent a specific identity that could be favored for celebration. Without an identity, victim narratives aren’t viable, unless one brings up the history of Mormons in their favor, which is unlikely as it was ultra-patriarchal.

Poly-stuff is a lifestyle, not an identity, and it’s hard to create a movement based on mere style or life choices. The poly-community is loose and disjointed, unlike the homosexual community.

And it lacks allies and patrons. The media may give it more favorable press but there’s no great passion.

The pedo-stuff is more dangerous. While most people find pedo-stuff more offensive than poly-stuff, pedos have powerful allies in the homos and trannies who are favored by Jews.
All this pushing of quasi-porn kiddie literature in school is a clear sign that the pedo agenda is being pushed. It will come across bigger resistance but also has bigger wind behind its back because of the overlap among the homo, tranny, and pedo communities. Homos, upon gaining power, helped out the trannies, and now homos and trannies are helping out the pedos.

Poly-stuff has no such alliances.

Roden Winter’s husband should probably check to see if either of the two children are actually his biologically. My guess is she has been cucking him a lot longer than the open marriage era.

“polygamy (no doubt under some fashionable euphemism)”

I enjoy having diverse relationships, because that is the reality for so many people, even when they have no words to explain them. Many of those who are unconventional don’t have anyone to look to for answers. As a relationship anarchist, I have a responsibility to reflect unconventional truths and challenge social norms. It’s difficult to question relationship models that have been in our society for centuries, but if we don’t start talking about it openly, it will never get easier.

It’s far from the only agonizing and breathtakingly candid scene in “More,” which documents Winter’s often turbulent experience of open marriage — the resentment and jealousy she felt toward her husband’s girlfriends, the flashes of guilt and shame, and the challenges of juggling her obligations as a wife and mother with her pursuit of sexual and romantic fulfillment.

Sounds like a great environment to raise children in. I’m sure her kids will turn out to be well adjusted.

Isn’t the mis-directed text message a variation on some (in)famous passage in Waugh where an adulteress learns of the death of her lover and, because he shares the same first name as her husband, rejoices? Or something or other.

OT:

Regular viewership of CNN is bad for the soul.

I spent a good chunk of the evening watching football with my inebriated aunt.

She hates Trump. I don’t argue with her because it would be a complete waste of time. She thinks I hate him as much as she does.

She’s a former CNN junkie. She used to keep it on 24/7 but now she can’t bear to watch it anymore – not because she’s finally seen the light, but because the prospect of a second Trump administration is so frightening that she can’t bear to think about it.

“Someone needs to kill that motherf**cker,” she kept saying. “If he gets in again then we are f**ked. This country is done.”

She hates Biden because he’s so senile that he makes Trump seem like a viable candidate. I inquired as to her opinion of Newsom; she’d never heard of him.

She suggested that Trump was trying to become another Putin. She asked me how Putin originally became ruler of Russia. I told her that he had been appointed by Yeltsin as prime minister and had then started a war in Chechnya that had made him extremely popular with the Russian populace. Then Yeltsin resigned and allowed Putin to succeed him as president in exchange for immunity from prosecution. I suggested that Putin had invaded Ukraine expecting a quick resolution and that he had not anticipated that the situation would devolve into a two-year stalemate that would leave virtually every young man in Ukraine dead or severely injured. She seemed surprised when I told her that Ukraine was now drafting 65-year-olds. I told her that there were widespread expectations that other European countries would be drawn into the conflict in the coming months and that we would probably get dragged in as well. She seemed not to have considered this possibility.

I’m hardly a Putin fanboy but I have pure contempt for Zelensky and his backers in the West. But I tread carefully when I talk to people in person. Many Trump supporters – especially boomers – believe that Putin is the devil incarnate. Even many of the ones who chant “Not one more penny for Ukraine!” emphasize the lost-cause angle – they want Putin to lose, but they don’t see any value in propping up the Kiev regime.

My aunt’s despair over the prospect of Trump’s return to power, the pure evilness of Putin, and the possible advent of World War III provided a handy segue into one of her favorite drunken conversational topics: her desire to commit suicide.

A guy I know once told me, “I used to wonder how you ended up becoming such a weirdo, but after I met your mother I began asking myself how you ended up as normal as you did.” And my mother is, indeed, a complete whackjob in many respects. But she doesn’t drink, and she doesn’t give off that aura of being totally dead inside that my aunt gives off. My mother is fat and loud but my aunt is just an emaciated husk.

This is plain disgusting. No redeeming features. The NYT readers aren’t impressed. A high ranked comment:

Distasteful (literally) on so many levels: the selfishness and ego-centricity, the exhibitionism and voyeurism posing as sociological significance, the lack of self-awareness… the list goes on.

I’m not sure whether I should be angry at the Times for publicizing trash masquerading as something Meaningful, or grateful for this window into contemporary bourgeois ickiness.

She is ugly and her husband an effete loser for tolerating this.

She’s attractive in the right light – that of a darkened closet.

The people who push this stuff appear to believe in the Maoist tactics of constant crisis and struggle. There must always be a “new thing” being pushed to undermine White society and societal well-being in general.

It’s endless deconstruction.

This is why hoping for a moderate approach with these zealots is a waste of time. They will always take the lukewarm response as a green light for more.

“Molly Roden Winter was a mother of small children with a husband, Stewart, who often worked late. One night when Stewart missed the kids’ bedtime—again—she stormed out of the house to clear her head. At a bar, she met Matt, a flirtatious younger man. When Molly told her husband that Matt had asked her out, she was surprised that Stewart encouraged her to accept.”

So, she’s an atrocious mother. You don’t leave home with your kids in bed at night. Too many children have died that way.

“Winter is keenly aware that people may judge her for the behavior she describes in More. But she also said she felt compelled to write about her experience, in part because she felt that non-monogamy [adultery] is so often depicted [honestly] as something happening on the fringes, not as a lifestyle that married moms pursue.”

Real version: Winter hopes that some Christian fascists and other neo-nazi Drumpf supporters will judge her for the behavior she describes in More, but if they ignore her, we in the Random House PR department will just invent them. But her lesbian and feminazi girlfriends in public relations and publishing in “Dyke Slope,” Brooklyn read through her manuscript for a novel, and said, “You go, girl! But you have to sell it as a true story. You’ll get rich.” And so, the anticipation of filthy lucre, fame, and social sabotage compelled her to write her novel, er, memoir.

Note that although some customer reviewers gave this “thing” one, two, or three stars, amazon has blocked readers from seeing those reviews.

Yeah, christianity is almost done. Jesus died in the cross and that made us see the weak in another light. But now the churches imply every boat refugee is equivalent to Christ. The message got rotten, but they actually have a case in Jesus words. In Islam Jesus didn’t die in the cross, it was some other dude with the same name. For a former christian that is intolerable. I think it’s time for us to forget the religions, and I just hope that God understands this point of view.

“How a Polyamorous Mom Had ‘a Big Sexual Adventure’ and Found Herself”

Wait, was this NYT article written by the Jerry Springer show?

One of the oddities of the libertarian science fiction writer Robert Heinlein was that he was a long time proponent of polyamory and polyamorous relationships pop up multiple times in his novels. His Stranger in a Strange Land novel became a counter culture favorite in the sixties partly because of its advocacy of nontraditional sexual relationships. He also practiced what he preached in his marriages.

Heinlein was not the only polyamorous libertarian novelist. Ayn Rand carried on an affair with one of her young disciples with the full knowledge of her husband. When the young man involved decided to end it, Ayn blew her top and excommunicated him from her Objectivist movement.
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In the Italian-American culture, there are certainly activities that men save for their girlfriends rather than their wives as their wives “kiss my children with that mouth”

Wow. Screwing lots of different people! Such a new and innovative idea that nobody has ever thought of before. I wonder if this new concept will catch on.

One of the oddities of the libertarian science fiction writer Robert Heinlein was that he was a long time proponent of polyamory and polyamorous relationships pop up multiple times in his novels.

Gene Roddenberry, a notorious skirt-chaser, fantasized about screwing robot-women, as was made clear often enough in Star Trek. Arthur C. Clark was widely suspected to be a pederast.

A lot of sci-fi types were perverts.

What they’re selling isn’t what you get.

What they sell you What you get pic.twitter.com/t5brRSt442

— Garbage Human (@GarbageHuman23) January 20, 2024

It’s so striverish and lame. Sleeping with other people instead of having a personality.

Swingers were so much less obnoxious.

I bet often times a woman is poly because her horndog man is “poly,” and he controls things, so she’s poly too for the appearance of equality, i.e. to save face.

“Aside from the above theory, in many cases polyamory is simply a scheme by men.”

Actually in the West, polyamory in many cases is being pushed by modern women. Men already have a similar thing to polyamory, it’s called polygamy. Polygamy centered around a single man with multiple wives.

Polyamory, however, is often where one woman will share multiple men, usually beta provider simps, as they believe that they simply can’t get a single woman on their own, and ’tis better to share one than simply endure a lifetime of loneliness.

Nah. 9 times out of 10 „poly“ women seem to have shackled themselves to a „nice“ shlubby loser and that’s when they suddenly get the urge to „open the marriage“.

I think it’s actually worse than that.

I’m hardly a Putin fanboy but I have pure contempt for Zelensky and his backers in the West.

In other words you hate white Christians. For all his flaws Zelensky didn’t start this war and it’s not up to Zelensky to tell Ukrainians to roll over and surrender. The West has a long history of telling Central and Eastern Europeans to just lie back and take it, especially when it’s Germans and Russians trying to fuck them. It would be nice if Zelensky had any serious backers, mostly the West seems content to let Russia get a black eye and a kick in the nuts but then go ahead and finish raping.

I’ve been saying for a number of years that the Next Big Thing after transmania looks like polygamy (no doubt under some fashionable euphemism).

I called it as well and discussed it briefly with Audacious Epigone: https://www.unz.com/anepigone/voluntarily-acting-on-involuntary-feelings/#comment-3575522

And mentioned it briefly on your blog as well: https://www.unz.com/isteve/whats-next-dalrymples-prediction/#comment-5018823

As I wrote before:

There was a series of articles in either the NYT or WaPo about “polyamory” couples in the last couple of years, which portrays the latter positively and “empowering” for women in particular.

I just watched an episode of “Silicon Valley,” in which a character admits to cuckolding another, and the latter happily replies, “That’s okay – we’re poly” and merrily goes on to support funding the former. I’ve seen this insertion of “polyamory,” especially that of women with multiple partners outside marriage here and there recently (though I admit, I don’t watch a whole lot of TV shows).

My speculation is that “polyamory” (which generally favors female promiscuity if the females in question are married*) is a Trojan Horse (no pun intended) for polygamy/polyandry.

*It seems to me that when a married couple has an “open marriage,” the typical outcome is that the woman has lots of sexual partners while the man has few (usually one or two at most). At that point, the man becomes either disgruntled or falls in love with another woman and seeks dissolution of the marriage. He then marries the other woman. Meanwhile, the divorced wife may have lots of sexual partners, but has trouble getting married again, especially if she has children from the first marriage.

Historically, this is the preferred approach.

Agree with your comment.

‘arbeit macht frei’, ‘slavery is freedom’ inversions.

But “Work makes you free” is not an inversion – work can make a person independent and autonomous by conferring dignity and self-reliance.

The Nazis coopted some good lines. An SS motto was Meine Ehre heißt Treue.

My initial thought after reading this was that it’s time for conservatives to embrace Islam. You need some cultural force to rein in society and family destroying pathologies and Christianity just isn’t up to it any more.

Er… Are you aware that Islam is polygamous and in many countries men can have up to four wives? It doesn’t look like what I’d consider a “traditional family”.

On the other hand, most women would rather share Tom Cruise or Brad Pitt than be the sole wife of some average loser, so there’s that. In some ways, polygamy is better adjusted to female nature.

But it is not a good deal for the average man, when someone can snatch four wives and leave you with none. That’s why many Muslim men are so thirsty they blow up stuff, a similar reaction to incels shooting up random people.

At least polygamy is more traditional than what the powers that be want “polyamory” to be — some sort of equal-opportunity screwing around for both sexes, which can never work. Any man who accepts his wife screwing around has doomed his relation. Woman’s infidelity is much worse than man’s infidelity for lots of reasons, but in particular because of the obvious issue of the identity of the progeny.

It’s my impression that the vast majority of these “polyamory” cases involve not women, post menopausal or otherwise, cuckolding their men, but rather high status or attractive men pressuring their girlfriends or wives into letting them sleep with other women. But those cases are not attractive poster children for the cause.

It’s like the way that all the highly publicized cases of university Title sexual assaults involve white frat-type guys and white or Asian women, whereas when journalist Emily Yoffe looked into it for Slate, it turned out that nearly all the cases were black guys being accused by white girls.

In other words you hate white Christians.

Zelensky is a Jew as are most of his backers, you retard. (But you’re probably a Jew yourself)

it’s not up to Zelensky to tell Ukrainians to roll over and surrender.

“Ukrainians” have no say in the matter, as they are being forcefully drafted, sometimes even in nightclubs or in the streets. I doubt many of those young men are happy to die or lose a leg in this stupid war. Now theUkrainians are drafting even 60-year old men, teenagers and women. Gee, great way to “help a country” that lost millions of people who will never return, and now has a birth rate of 0.7… I mean, sure, let’s “help” it a bit more, so it’s completely depopulated and Blackrock buys all the land.

What I hate most about the ugly types of “stand for the Ukraine” like you, is that you are helping to destroy a country and still think they are morally righteous. It’s kinda the smug “diversity is our strength” people.

Go fight in the war if you care so much, or send your sons, or give your own money to Zelensky.

Why can’t we just go back to Old Fashioned Cheating?

The whole point of cheating is to make sure the other person doesn’t know and never finds out. It’s a power thing, a revenge thing, a cloak-and-dagger thing.

Polyamory won’t catch on because it’s missing this key component. It’s so pathetic ‘I ran to my husband after making love cuz I felt guilty!!!’

That sentence makes me think she’s making the whole thing up.

Reminds of the time a radio show co-host talked about going to a fetishist event. “Lots of people wearing tight leather clothing that shouldn’t wear tight leather clothing”. The host: ” Fat swingers. Real swingers.”

She looks hot, though. Moreover, only a relatively few people got killed by witch hunts, inkvisition and the KKK.

The next big push by the left will probably be for the open acceptance of animal sacrifice and voodoo libation ceremonies to mark the openings of schools, hospitals and other public buildings etc.
I have it on good authority that such rituals are/have already been performed in NYC public schools.

I think this was all a lot more fun in the Seventies back when it was called Swinging which I am sure New York Magazine covered breathlessly at the time. The modern iteration sounds more like cuckolding which does not sound very fun. At least in the Seventies, you likely got some cocaine out of the deal and went to Studio 54 first. Swinging sounds more like a “couple activity”. The modern version seems pretty depressing and perhaps it is just the first step before divorce papers are filed. Usually, polyamory is associated with places like Portland Oregon with one overweight woman with purple hair and her two sad sack pathetic “partners”. It strikes me as a riskier proposition in places with high real estate values like New York.

I know a woman who lives in a polyamorous apartment building in Brooklyn. How do they screen for tenants?! And you thought credit checks were bad. Anyway, she came away depressed, confused and emotionally abused from the experience. Imagine the type of men who apply to live in a polyamorous apartment building. I felt like telling her that this was the completely obvious result, but she was so ideologically bought in to rejecting monogamy and her “straightness” that this was the wrong approach with her. I suggested that since it is a lifestyle decision, it clearly is not for everyone, that she should take a break from it for a while and that she could always go back to it later. Kind of like taking a sabbatical.

Tom Wolfe covered “Swingers” in 1976 for New York Magazine.

The Me Decade and The Third Great Awakening

https://nymag.com/article/tom-wolfe-me-decade-third-great-awakening.html

Much of what is now known as “the sexual revolution” has consisted of both women and men filling in the blank this way: “If I’ve only one life, let me live it as … a Swinger!” (Instead of a frustrated, bored monogamist.) In “swinging,” a husband and wife give each other license to copulate with other people. There are no statistics on the subject that mean anything, but I do know that it pops up in conversation today in the most unexpected corners of the country. It is an odd experience to be in De Kalb, Illinois,De Kalb is headquarters of De Kalb Agresearch, Inc. 4 in the very corncrib of America,* and have some conventional-looking housewife (not housewife, damn it!) come up to you and ask: “Is there much tripling going on in New York?”

“Tripling?”

Tripling turns out to be a practice, in De Kalb, anyway, in which a husband and wife invite a third party—male or female, but more often female—over for an evening of whatever, including polymorphous perversity, even the practices written of in the one-hand magazines, all the things involving tubes and hoses and tourniquets and cups and double-jointed sailors.
One of the satisfactions of this sort of life, quite in addition to the groin spasms, is talk: Let’s talk about Me. Sexual adventurers are given to the most relentless and deadly serious talk… about Me. They quickly succeed in placing themselves onstage in the sexual drama whose outlines were sketched by Freud and then elaborated upon by Wilhelm Reich. Men and women of all sorts, not merely swingers, are given just now to the most earnest sort of talk about the Sexual Me.

She looks hot, though.

Well, she is literally on fire.

Islam may be right about women,
but Osama was right about America.

When the young man involved decided to end it, Ayn blew her top

Fountainhead Ayn!

“Relax, toots— you’re hardly being objectivist about the situation.”

the one-hand magazines… and double-jointed sailors.

What a hilarious juxtaposition.

>click<

I just sent Steve a hardcover “tabletop” edition of

Uggos Are Boning: A Polyamory Primer

418 pages, fully illustrated
Random Penguin House

Interesting that, as others have alluded to above, the historical (and quite successful, no population drops there) examples of polyamorous or at least polygamous societies — Islam, Mormons, Hispanic (where any truly macho male has a “little house” for his piece on the side) — are “patriarchal”.

The implied sneer of calling it “bottom line thinking” resembles the usual Christian virtue-spiraling about Islam as “crude and materialistic” while Frithjof Schuon contrasts sensible, down to earth Islamic morality (polygamy, easy divorce) with “perfectionistic” and unrealistic Christian moralizing (See his Understanding Islam from the 60s).

It’s like those moralistic types condemning Bill Clinton for his White House shenanigans: dude, why else would any man want to be president? More broadly, easy access to abortion and divorce also “benefit” horndogs like Clinton.

Isn’t it more “reasonable” to acknowledge the male propensity to “wander”, and institutionalize and somewhat control it, rather than clamping down on it and making impossible demands? Ah, but then the Christian despises “reason,” right?

What’s interesting here is getting around all this “patriarchy” by presenting it as “polyamory,” with the implied “lovey dovey” atmos that should appeal to the ladies. As with divorce and abortion, something that benefits the male horndogs is slipped in under the guise of “female empowerment,”

Remember the NYT feminist who said she’d give Bill Clinton a blowjob in the White House to reward him for defending Roe?

Does serial monogamy or serial short-term relationships count as “some form of non monogamy in relationships”?

Maybe the answer is, it does if the respondent thinks it does.

So,

Islam: 2
Our Democracy™: 0

it was lifted verbatim.

Now we know what happened to Claudine.

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I actually had an aunt whose friends were getting divorced and who convinced her to get divorced too. Biggest mistake of her life and she deeply regrets it. Husband got a girlfriend she didn’t get a boyfriend. It’s genuinely weird how some women convince themselves that just because they’re dissatisfied with their relationship everyone else must be too.

It used to be the case in Iceland (Still is to some extent, people do get married young there) would get married young and have children young and then huge numbers of divorces and remarriages were just accepted as the cost. But people had children at the best time when they’re young.

You’ll never this opinion to trend though as most of the elite women as Steve notes are very protective of their men either for their charm and looks or their wallet and status and if elite women don’t go along with it, it doesn’t trend.

And young attractive women have no idea what the problem is, they have either pure idealistic love with their young partners or so many options and so much time they don’t need to do the “poly” thing.

So the two most influential cohorts of women won’t go along with it, I don’t see it working out.

These people are the reason for the scouse phrase: Wouldn’t touch that with yours.

Sailer’s Law of Perverts : All Perverts are Ugly!

This headline is a bit graphic but the data seems real. Just one more example of politically incorrect data being memory-holed.

99.97% of US sailors infected with covid did not die; this was known in April 2020

https://expose-news.com/2024/01/20/99-997-of-us-sailors-infected-with-covid/

“Gene Roddenberry, a notorious skirt-chaser, fantasized about screwing robot-women, as was made clear often enough in Star Trek.”

Roddenberry may have become famous for creating one of the first pc tv shows, but he did vastly superior work earlier as a writer on Have Gun, Will Travel.

All this pushing of quasi-porn kiddie literature in school is a clear sign that the pedo agenda is being pushed. It will come across bigger resistance but also has bigger wind behind its back because of the overlap among the homo, tranny, and pedo communities. Homos, upon gaining power, helped out the trannies, and now homos and trannies are helping out the pedos.

Poly-stuff has no such alliances.

“Pedo” should probably be called “homo-pedo”, since what is being pushed in schools, the media, etc. is almost exclusively homosexual. It is strangely unremarked that the pornographic children’s books in schools are all about homosexuals, and that were they about heterosexuals they would certainly be denounced, condemned, and prosecuted.

This is similar to the Catholic priest “sexual abuse” scandals that were almost entirely homo-pedo, yet the masters of the media megaphone managed to keep the word “homosexual” out of coverage, preferring the more generic descriptor “sexual abuse” and implying the problem was simply men and/or the Church rather than specifically homosexual men masquerading as priests.

I agree that the tranny stuff was sponsored by homosexuals, and that the purpose was primarily to sow sexual chaos and thus make homosexuality and homo-pedo predation relatively less prominent. But I also think that the polyamory stuff gets at least tacit support from homosexuals for the same reason.

Nina Burleigh, but she wasn’t nyt.

An AGP tranny tees off early with polyamory because any real partners he scores are just supplemental to the fetish partner who lives in his head.

Roddenberry may have become famous for creating one of the first pc tv shows, but he did vastly superior work earlier as a writer on Have Gun, Will Travel.

I still like Star Trek (the original series that is – every other incarnation of it, including the movies, was crap). True, it was a great big dollop of Kennedy-era liberalism in Space, but it wasn’t as PC as a lot of other TV series. For what it was, it wasn’t bad.

My initial thought after reading this was that it’s time for conservatives to embrace Islam.

It also neatly solves the conservative-whites-at-the-bottom-of-the-identity-totem-pole problem. At one stroke, they go from being the faction that automatically loses every identity-politics face-off to being part of a faction that has a semi-sanctioned right to deploy violence in its interest.

Also, their marriages and reproduction will become better organized and socially sanctioned, rather than being a worrying source of carbon emissions.

Also, rather than engaging in tedious verbal dialectic with bad-faith opponents who are anyway lying, a simple “Allahu akbar!” at high decibel will generally settle any argument. And in the rare cases that doesn’t work, there is always the semi-sanctioned violence.

“Behold, O unbelievers, the fruits of liberalism are varied and strange, but see how ye have nourished the Brethren even at thine own bosom! Truly Allahu akbar!”
—The New Hadiths

In other words you hate white Christians.

No, those are your words, and you seem intent on putting your words into other people’s mouths.

Ukraine isn’t our business. It was foolish for the US government to stir up trouble there. WE don’t have to share YOUR concerns. So, just f**k off.

We’ve been long beyond parody and are now in the depths of Hell on Earth.

If the Rapture was true we’re the leftover people to experience God’s judgement on earth.

I only ask He spare my grand daughter who had nothing to do with this, and my grandson to come.

As for the rest of us, we are overdue on recompense, a few I’d like personally wage my own retribution on the end of a tyre iron.

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LOL. Most modern women can’t get along with one other person in a relationship. What makes them think they can do it with 3 or 4 others?

Question: If one of these people eventually wants to cheat, do they have to find 3 or 4 new people at a time to have an affair with?

The author of The New Yorker article, Kimberly Harrington, is quite an ugly duckling. Look up her picture.

Intellectual terrorists who want everyone to be as unhappy as they are.

Agree.

“I would be happy to give him a bl**job just to thank him for keeping abortion legal. I think American women should be lining up with their presidential kneepads on to show their gratitude for keeping the theocracy off our backs.”

—Nina Burleigh, White House reporter for Time magazine

though I think her comment actually appeared in an interview in Mirabella or the Observer

But at 51, her children are old enough know the score…

She’s a Park Slope mom who’s been “living her best life”, my guess is her two sons are fraternal twins born through IVF when she was in her 40’s. They’re still in elementary if I am right.

while I wouldn’t describe Winter as attractive per se, she looks traditionally feminine and well within the acceptable range for a woman her age

I’d call this unnatractive, even for 51:

Back in the day, she would have been called a “double bagger”.

Years ago I had a talk about polyamory with a wispy little fellow who didn’t look like he had what it takes to please one woman, let alone a harem. I had seven sisters, he said, in defense of his yearning for lots of feminine companionship. He was less than amused when I initially asked, does polyamory mean you have sex with a parrot?

Still, I can’t see why some folks feel so threatened by other people’s sexual peculiarities. So-called traditionalists don’t understand that the “nuclear family” they idolize is largely an artifact of the modern world. Setting up new households in new houses far from home was made possible only by the expanding prosperity of new technologies. Before the Industrial Revolution, when people married (and often to someone not of their free choosing), they stayed on the farm, granted some acreage of their own and a place in the old homestead. In urban areas, people simply built additions onto the parental home with their new spouses. You see this everywhere in New England, plain 18th and early 19th century houses that “grew” addition after addition as the families they sheltered increased.

I’m sure her kids will turn out to be well adjusted.

The fact that they, and all of their peers, will be able to read the Mom’s tell-all book will surely help with that.

Arthur C. Clark was widely suspected to be a pederast.

An old friend of mine had lunch with Arthur C. Clarke at the author’s home in Sri Lanka. Arthur’s brown-skinned boy was the one serving them, much in the manner of a traditional wife; I don’t know exactly how young he was, though.

To be pedantic, ‘arbeit macht frei’ was inscribed over the entrance to the concentration camps. It was not an inversion so much as a simple lie, since you didn’t get out of the camp by working.

However, the inversion was used in Orwell’s 1984 via the slogans “War is peace, freedom is slavery, and ignorance is strength.”

I think this is closer to the topic, especially “Ignorance is strength”.

No, wrong. There are real lesbians out there.

Washington Post reporterette Kimberly Harrington opens her review of Molly Roden Winter’s book with, “‘More: A Memoir of Open Marriage’… will make for an electrifying book club pick, inciting debate over what marriage means.”

Building on Kimba’s Great Idea, how about a transgressive pairing of titles for next month’s meeting! “More” and Rob Henderson’s memoir “Troubled”.

Like Roden Winter, Henderson is focused on luxury beliefs. Except he criticizes rather than embodies. Should make for lively Brie-and-Chablis discussions, throughout Park Slope.

“The correlation between unpredictability in childhood & criminal behavior in adulthood was particularly striking (r= .40, p< .01).
The luxury belief class loves to talk about the effect of wealth on test scores. Few discuss the effect of instability in childhood”~ @robkhenderson

— Bronwyn Williams (@bronwynwilliams) January 21, 2024

“It used to be the case in Iceland (Still is to some extent, people do get married young there) would get married young and have children young and then huge numbers of divorces and remarriages were just accepted as the cost. But people had children at the best time when they’re young.”

The problem with this is that the children are Weird.

You can’t get married young, have children young, and divorce without destroying your kids to the point where it was like You Never Had Any Kids.

I’ve got a front row seat to this.

This was my Christmas…watching a 38 yr old woman ignore her pre-teen daughter if not be downright hostile to the daughter, while she cuddled up to her new boyfriend who she is buying a house with

She doesn’t even talk to her older sons. At least she’s hostile to the daughter. I guess that’s something.

Then the little girl ran away and FaceTimed her bio Dad.

Polyamorists are psychologically underdeveloped narcissists. Some prominent figures, for instance Heidegger, practiced “free love”- but this was not “real” polyamory, and even in this form, I wouldn’t call such persons too mentally-morally sane.

The only secular polyamorist of any note in newer history was anarchist Emma Goldman, and she was nuts. Read Barbara Tuchman’s “The Proud Tower”

America was built on Islamo-Christian values, and must return to them

-Ben Sayed

OT – here’s a REALLY dodgy American Armenian who now seems to be in Steve’s part of the world:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-68034722

Last April, facts began to emerge about a 2021 contract secretly signed between the Armenian Patriarch and a Jewish Australian-Israeli developer. It gave a newly-created firm, Xana Gardens, a 98-year lease to build and operate a luxury hotel in an area known as the Cow’s Garden.

The deal covered a plot of 11,500 sq m, abutting the ramparts of the south-western corner of the Old City, with an option to take over an even bigger area.

It includes the car park, some church buildings and the homes of five Armenian families, accounting for about 25% of the Armenian Quarter.

Located on Mount Zion, it has huge religious significance and is incredibly valuable real estate but an annual fee of just $300,000 (£237,000) was to be paid by the developer.

“For that amount you could barely rent yourself a couple of falafel shops in the Old City,” commented one Armenian using the car park, who asked for his name not to be used.

Amid heated protests by locals and a decision by Jordan and the Palestinian Authority to withdraw their recognition of the patriarch over his role in the deal, pressure grew on the Church to cancel the contract.

Meanwhile, an international team of Armenian lawyers came to investigate and give advice.

The patriarch claimed he had been tricked by a trusted priest who was later defrocked. He finally announced a formal move to cancel the deal in October.

At that point, tensions between Armenians and representatives of the developer – whose workers had forcibly taken over the car park – began turning into direct confrontations.

When Israeli bulldozers arrived at the contested site to try to begin demolition, Armenians rushed to block it. The next month, there were claims of intimidation as the developer arrived with several armed men.

Further attempted incursions came after the protest tent was set up. The most violent was last month when masked men came to the car park beating people with sticks and using tear gas. A priest, Father Diran Hagopian, broadcast events on Facebook Live.

“They were shouting, ‘you should go out from this land’,” he later told the BBC. “One of their leaders was shouting: ‘You can break their legs, you can even kill them, but they should leave.’”

The apparent involvement of known Jewish settlers in attacks alongside other evidence has increased long-held suspicions that a powerful settler organisation is involved in the attempted land takeover.

The now-defrocked American priest who coordinated the deal, Baret Yeretsian, was surrounded by a mob of angry young Armenians shouting “traitor” as he exited St James Convent last year, assisted by Israeli police, before moving to Southern California.

Clarke was a disgusting pedo.

It has been showing up in New York Times crossword puzzles. Saturday had the clue: “Portmanteau for poly relationships”

What a revolting couple – the article claims the now-adult children of this very loose union are ‘blase” about their parents’ serial infidelity, but there is zero chance it hasn’t resulted in a lot of emotional damage for them. Kids whose parents divorce and dating often struggle with that, I can hardly imagine what it must be like to realize that mom and dad don’t even have the courage for that and are just banging a series of strangers who are periodically in your home.

At any rate, I do think this is more likely to be a flash in the pan – whereas the trans/pronoun craziness is an easy thing to adopt because you can just declare yourself as such for attention, polyamory requires actual work to pull off and frankly the percentage of people who have a partner or spouse who would stand for this is incredibly low. Part of the glue that holds relationships together is mutual financial contributions and I guarantee you that a woman who lives in a ‘bright and airy’ Park Slope townhouse is not at all reliant on her teacher’s salary or worried about the economic consequences of her spouse deciding he’s ready to end a sham marriage. In contrast, a $60k/year teacher and their maybe $80k/year spouse generally understand that life is going to get a lot harder if they engage in serial adultery and the relationship implodes.

although some customer reviewers gave this “thing” one, two, or three stars, amazon has blocked readers from seeing those reviews.

I’m old enough to remember when Big Tech was first becoming A Thing, to the extent that it had any definite “culture”, that culture was free, open, and indistinct: sort of “libertarian, but we don’t want to limit ourselves with definitions”. You could buy any book on Amazon, search any subject on Google, opine any opinion on Reddit. There were obvious self-interest reasons for this: by not adopting any particular culture you avoid directly impugning any other culture (and its customers), and by maintaining a nonpartisan aloof point of view you avoid the liability (legal and social) for having advocated for anything with negative consequences. But I think that behind that there was also a sincere belief in a sort of libertarian freedom utopia.

At a certain point, I want to say it was in the late aughties, that began to change. The first time I was consciously aware of Big Tech adopting a “culture” as part of its product was, I think, when Amazon announced a global contest to create three short videos that would be hosted on their site.* At the time I thought this was strange. “What does hosting three short videos have to do with moving merchandise through warehouses?” In retrospect, the ulterior objective was probably to draw attention to what would become Amazon Prime Video, but Amazon didn’t present it that way at the time. It was just an a priori offer to host the three best short videos in the world. Anyone could submit a video.

I thought maybe that was sort of commendable. Rather than hiring the usual Hollywood hacks, they effectively outsourced cultural creation to the world at large by holding a contest drawing on the global marketplace. With cheap video tech and all the world’s talent available to bid for these spots on one of the world’s most visited visual sites, and given the open and uncensorious culture of the site’s owner, what would it yield? I admit to having been intrigued.

In the actual event, I was sorely disappointed. The three winners turned out to be pseudo-edgy Brooklyn hipster-ish garbage, though I don’t recall that term having currency at the time. But what they definitely were was an accurate foreshadowing of basically everything that Prime Video, Netflix, and all the other streaming services now produce.

But the biggest betrayal, in my eyes, was that for the first time the public face of the Big Tech “revolution” had traded in its default open, aloof, non-culture culture, and made a normative step toward a particular culture with particular values, norms, benedictions and maledictions, and that culture was … merely twisted and decadent late-stage progressivism.

Of course, since that first stain on the formerly purely non-committal cultural canvas of Big Tech, things have only gotten worse. Now Big Tech is censorious, puritan (not in the Mayflower sense but in the use-my-pronouns-bigot! sense), vindictive, intolerant, and prosecutorial. And always for worst causes: “Mere two-star review of polyamory? BLOCKED!” And that entire inversion-revolution took place within a decade.

So much potential sacrificed for the worst possible outcome.

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*Was it called “Amazon Shorts”? If I Google that term I just get a bunch of ads for short pants.

Taliban – 1 US – 0

It’s that her son is killed and she’s relieved when she finds out it wasn’t her lover who was killed, as she first thought.

As far as media figures named Harrington, Mary offers much better value than Kimberly. The publisher’s summary of the latter’s 2023 book “Feminism Against Progress” opens with

Modern feminism increasingly benefits only a small class of professional women. There is no reason to sacrifice everyone else’s happiness for their sake.

Last month, Coleman Hughes hosted a thoughtful hour-long discussion with her.

One of Harrington’s themes is on-topic for Sailer’s post: the Sexual Revolution has accelerated the de-Christianization and re-paganization of Western society. The adoption of pagan values has obvious attractions for some, while being ruinous for others.

For an author, Ms. Roden Winter doesn’t seem to be very well-read.

Molly Roden Winter’s memoir, ‘More,’ is a very frank — and very hot — look at her non-monogamous union

Molly, you’re no Zeddy Will.

Out here in flyover poor women still do this. Hell, my mother did this. Find a suitable man, have your kids, dump the man, get your tubes tied then find someone who’s more fun.

Then you have your little crew, get either child support or welfare, and have some commonality with other women.

I don’t imagine some middle class striver aiming for HYS would settle for this lifestyle.

Not our fight. And it’s not going to be Afro-Latino US’s fight either. All those countries that are no bigger than US counties will just have to grow up and sort things out on their own.

Skanks gonna skank

That “four wife” thing was intended as a limitation so that the big tribal chiefs wouldn’t have harems of hundreds.

You caused me to look up her picture.. As Officer Garcia said in Reno 911.. She is a three bagger. One for her. One for you. And one for anyone unfortunate enough to be looking in the window at the time it is occuring.

Aside from the above theory, in many cases polyamory is simply a scheme by men.

This may be true, I don’t know. The non-fiction media I’ve seen don’t look this way though. They look like schemes for lousy women to multipartner with even lousier men.

In the real life polyamorous couple* that I am most personally familiar with, it is essentially the woman’s doing. She is an attractive foreigner who required a US passport and so wifed herself to a nice American guy who adores her but who was made to understand that their relationship would remain “open”, the extramarital opportunities of which he has, as far as I know, never availed himself. (This isn’t quite how she explained it to me, you understand, I’m translating.) I think she genuinely likes this guy and, in a better life, would have married him the old fashioned way, but that’s not the life she has. She was born with a terminal illness that is expected to finish her off in early middle age. So having had the “die young” part of the rubric handed to her at birth, she chose the “live fast” part as well. Of course, that slots neatly into contemporary decadent culture, so she probably got a cultural assist in her decision-making, as young women do.

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*The fact that “polyamorous couple” is a comprehensible term sort of gives the lie to the concept. If they’re a couple, how can they be polyamorous? If they’re truly polyamorous, how can they be a couple? The poly press spill gallons of ink attempting to explain this.

“The Secret History of Wonder Woman” by Jill Lepore is about William Moulton Marston, who created the Wonder Woman character. He and his wife had a pretty kinky three-way involving bdsm with a woman who lived with them for many years, but according to the book, the children and the neighbors didn’t know what was going on, and the ladies were not lesbians. It wasn’t something the first wife wanted, either; Marston told her he was bringing this new woman in and she could take it or leave it. The two women became friends for life, though, after he died. They did a fairly decent job of doing the polyamory thing; the kids grew up to be well-adjusted, or at least didn’t hate their parents. They claim not to have had a clue, and thought the extra lady was an aunt. Hollywood made a movie out of it and had to fix things, of course: the neighbors know and hate on the children and the women are lesbians.

I’ve known a good number of swingers and polyamorists through various strange associations, but it’s unappealing to me. It’s a creepy game. The polyamorists tend to be homely and see sex as a mild amusement. They’re passionless really, and get off on telling everybody. The men are dominated by the women. Swingers are male dominated; pretty wives are used as currency and end up feeling used. They are secretive. Marston might have been more of a swinger: They frequented bondage clubs. How they kept their kids from knowing I have no idea.

these inversions of meaning.

Agree, along with the Twinkie Codicil.

Another one I hear a lot is “forgive yourself”, which rather undercuts the whole purpose of forgiveness: penitence before your victim and before God. It’s like, “Nah, I’m good. I already forgave myself. You and God can get stuffed.”

With regard to the publicized “polycule” on the right, after these people were featured in the Press the cow in pink birthed a child, and one of the males “Ethan” in the polycule was charged with aggravated assault upon the newborn, with injuries including a broken leg, arm, ribs and a fractured skull:

https://www.jacksonville.com/story/news/local/2020/03/25/jacksonville-man-jailed-in-abuse-of-5-week-old-baby/112253316/

“It often feels like mothers are not supposed to be sexual beings.”

This woman is an idiot. Has she never encountered the term MILF?

Maybe I’m weird, but I often find women who have birthed and nursed at least one baby to be more attractive than younger women who haven’t. The physical and spiritual transformation of motherhood burns off their childish nubile characteristics and reveals a true woman.

–Nietzsche Guevara

It’s astounding to me that fewer people seem to realize that Roddenberry’s universe’s “Prime Directive” is pretty much an allegory of cops looking the other way when confronted with sexual crimes (pedophilia, polygamy, bestiality, sodomy). An allegory raised to the level of a universal ideal.

“To explore strange new worlds, to seek out new life and new civilizations, new planets with different age of consent laws”

It’s far from the only agonizing and breathtakingly candid scene in “More,” which documents Winter’s often turbulent experience of open marriage — the resentment and jealousy she felt toward her husband’s girlfriends, the flashes of guilt and shame

And once again, human nature comes roaring to the fore. I’m betting that if hubby got a better grade of girlfriend (younger, prettier, thinner) Mz Winter shut down her “open marriage”.

So, not that I’m going to search, but are Mr. and Mz. Winter divorced?

>The publisher’s summary of the latter’s former’s [Mary Harrington’s] 2023 book “Feminism Against Progress” opens with

Ugh. FIFM.

I have a difficult time believing OBL practiced a monogamous lifestyle.

No, Ukraine is being used by the West (Washington, London, NATO and the EU) as a stick to beat Putin. It’s not working, it’s costing Ukraine an obscene amount in blood but the leadership of the West lacks the courage or imagination to change things from their end.

We ended up here because too many incentives exist for US/EU/NATO officials and NGOs to make promises and get up to mischief in Ukraine, decade after decade. It was considered mandatory to ignore the half (or more) of Ukraine that didn’t want to be NATO-ised and EU-ised.

The people who run our West are very proud of their ability to ignore people “on the wrong side of history”, as much at home as abroad. Over here they freeze our bank accounts, ban political parties and keep peaceful protesters and journalists in jail for years. In Ukraine they shell civilians in breakaway republics. All of this became intolerable for Russia and so here we are.

In other words you hate white Christians. For all his flaws Zelensky didn’t start this war and it’s not up to Zelensky to tell Ukrainians to roll over and surrender. The West has a long history of telling Central and Eastern Europeans to just lie back and take it, especially when it’s Germans and Russians trying to fuck them. It would be nice if Zelensky had any serious backers, mostly the West seems content to let Russia get a black eye and a kick in the nuts but then go ahead and finish raping.

You have to recognize that getting Westerners, and particularly Americans, to invest in the narcissism of small differences between slightly different kinds of Slavs is a losing project in the long term. It required a combination of Cold War nostalgia and a false narrative about Russia stealing a U.S. Presidential election to get the American public interested in an intramural fight over where the division between former Hapsburg and Romanov holdings should be in the 2020s.

It would probably have been to the benefit of white Christians not to have ground so many into hamburger over keeping Russian-speaking, Orthodox Christian Russians in the Eastern region of a confected, Foggy Bottom Satrapy cum political entity called “Ukraine” from which SSRI addled society women in D.C. can play an outrageously dangerous game of Stratego. Let’s not vaporize the Earth because Russian kids aren’t gay and trans at acceptable enough numbers for these awful women.

““Pedo” should probably be called “homo-pedo”, ”

The entire purpose of the misuse of the word pedophilia is to provide cover and concealment for what is the nature of homosexuality: The attraction homosexual men have for pubescent and post pubescent boys; hebephilia and ephebophilia, respectively.

To your Catholic priest abuse point: It was simply unchecked abuse of teenaged boys by homosexual men. Same with the Boy Scout abuse stuff.

In the movie “Sleepers,” about 4 pubescent boys who go to juvie and are sexual abused by Kevin Bacon during their time there, the word “homosexual” is not spoken or referred to even one time.

Wow. Screwing lots of different people! Such a new and innovative idea that nobody has ever thought of before. I wonder if this new concept will catch on.

In America that concept is called Government and they’ll screw you six ways to Sunday.

This is part of my theory about black antisocial behavior (especially oppositional defiance disorder) is not simply a consequence of not having had an involved biological father in the home, but rather about having a round robin of their mothers’ boyfriends and lovers in the home, acting imperiously and likely physically abusing the young boys who are an obstacle and burden to the men. They’re learning that authority is corrupt and capricious and its ability to impose violence is its sole source of legitimacy. Then they get sent out into the world in an essentially feral state and encounter white cops.

So 16 years of sleeping around? One thing I don’t often see brought up is the STD angle. Sure multiple lovers can seem thrilling, but I would assume that the STD risk goes up as the number of partners goes up, and it’s probably worse depending on the context of the hookups. There are always rumors of this celebrity or that celebrity getting genital warts or chlamydia, but their promiscuity is usually framed in ‘sexy’ terms or as some soap opera cheaters’ drama. Did anyone ask this author if she ever got a dose of the clap? Probably not, as that would undermine the promotion of the product.

Islam is polygamous and in many countries men can have up to four wives? It doesn’t look like what I’d consider a “traditional family”.

Define “traditional”. As far as we can tell, polygamy was the rule for thousands (millions?) of years before anyone thought of monogamy. One can think of Islam as Progressive Polygamy: “Okay polygamy, but your limit is four.”

For most of its history, monogamy was just one of the peculiarities of European proto-W.E.I.R.D. civilization, until the West exported it to the rest of the world via colonialism and cultural imperialism in the 19th and 20th centuries. Ironically, having established it globally, the West is now abandoning it.

it is not a good deal for the average man, when someone can snatch four wives and leave you with none.

Three-quarters true, though you have to consider that 75% male casualties is typical for the eliminationist tribal warfare that characterizes traditional life, so the four-wife rule is actually quite egalitarian when you have so many surplus women. Again: Islam, the Progressive Polygamy™!

Woman’s infidelity is much worse than man’s infidelity for lots of reasons,

Hey, Islam’s got your back there too!

So, when can we count on your reversion?

I’ll have to start applying the term “Okay, X-er” to people of a certain age who still repeat libertarian mantras about the internet being an empowerment movement for little guys up against the gatekeepers. That was never true, but there was a time when the pretense was not yet falsifiable. Now, it is utterly falsifiable.

What I know of this subculture, it seems that “real” (secular) polys are blase liberals who are into “alternative lifestyles” for whichever reason; “open marriage” means usually women getting bored or brainwashed & trying to force husbands into letting them screw other guys. Then, there are two outcomes: a) husband, frightened, agrees & after some time grows some balls & files for divorce (in few cases, after the initial shock, he finds a gorgeous side piece & then a wifey would like to “close” a marriage because she’s become a boring & unattractive accessory- but, it’s too late, hubby has found the inner Man & enjoys it), b) husband immediately knows she’s already cheating on him & files for a divorce.

Nitwit!

Emily Yoffe looked into it for Slate, it turned out that nearly all the cases were black guys being accused by white girls.

I wonder if that fact would still get published nowadays.

As I recall, Emily Yoffe was one of these this-far-but-no-farther liberals who wanted liberalism, but preserved in aspic circa 1990. Sorry Emily, once you join the bandwagon, the band plays on…

Her kids will hate her for publishing this.

Hey, kids –

Groups, at least small gatherings of six or eight friends, have already become almost the dominant behavior in the younger generations. They add almost no cost, or even cost less, than the superannuated restricted pairings. And I can personally attest that they offer a hell of a lot of enjoyment. Finally, we should recognize that this trend represents only the general public’s democratizing acceptance of the ancient and nearly universal habits of the aristocratic classes. Let’s not begrudge the tykes — and, as exampled in the article above, an exploding number of adults — a little good clean fun.

This is NOT sarcasm.

Thoughts pro and con?

So Louis Till was actually a polymory trendsetter rather than a serial rapist. (At least one of his rapes occurred with another negro “soldier” participating.) Who knew? Maybe Pedo Joe can give him/them the Presidential Medal for Gettin’ It On.

Isn’t it more “reasonable” to acknowledge the male propensity to “wander”, and institutionalize and somewhat control it, rather than clamping down on it and making impossible demands?

Islam permits multiple wives but there are still restrictions: no more than four and the man must be able to offer each the same standard of living. This effectively restricts it to a small minority of well-to-do men.

I’ve read memoirs by women who belonged to a small break-away sect of Mormons practicing polygamy. In these sects a small minority of men have multiple wives. Life for other young men is bleak and they drift off to lead life away from their families. Thus the sect can only exist in a larger society in which polygamy is not practiced.

Polygamy is destabilizing because of the men who don’t get a wife. It’s simple arithmetic,

Zelensky, a Jewish comedian who has suppressed the Orthodox Church and tossed hundreds of thousands of young white men into the Russian meat grinder, is a fearless defender of the Christian faith?

The only way to save Ukraine from Putin is to destroy it.

I apologize for going off-topic and instigating yet another iSteve pissing match about the clusterf**k in Ukraine.

99.97% of US sailors infected with covid did not die; this was known in April 2020

This is hardly news. Young healthy people don’t die of Covid. It kills only the elderly and a few young people already in poor health.

Gee yeah, how could other men phucking your mother make you antisocial as a young man? These sociologists are just geniuses at seeing those impossible to notice patterns.

As far as we can tell, polygamy was the rule for thousands (millions?) of years before anyone thought of monogamy.

For the rich/powerful, not for the poor. Many kings and now politicians were and still are polygamous in practice.

W.E.I.R.D. civilization

I hate these stupid acronyms. I don’t even know what this one means.

So, when can we count on your reversion?

Since you’re the one who brought it up, do it yourself.

I’ve never heard of Amazon shorts but there are “YouTube Shorts.” I find them pretty useless for the most part. YouTube is owned by Google.

Also Amazon does not block low star reviews. I’ve read many one star reviews.

However you can submit a ranking without a written review. That’s why you may see one star in the statistics but no written review.

“will make for an electrifying book club pick, inciting debate over what marriage means.”

What a breathtakingly stupid thing to say. Of course by now, I’m far too jaded to be upset.

Debate over what marriage means? Sorry, chickie, but everybody already *knew* what marriage meant, until the Crackpot Kool-Aid Acid Test and the Exploding Plastic Inevitable came marching into the town square, bass drums thumping and drowning out the normies.

What’s next? An electrifying book club pick, inciting fiery debate about the pros and cons of gay-bashing…

I’d rather my kids have an open marriage with a White person than a trad marriage with a black or a Muslim.
Honestly, of all the things that could bug me, consenting adults having key parties in Brooklyn or Portland is pretty low on the list.

Polygamy is destabilizing because of the men who don’t get a wife. It’s simple arithmetic,

Arithmetic that has resulted in millions of deaths in China over the past few centuries. Until the Mao Dynasty (which is really what we should be calling the “PRC”), it is estimated that between legal polygamy and concubinage, as many as 80% of Chinese males never had any opportunity to marry. The huge demographic bulge of restless, violent men with nothing much to lose directly fueled the 19th century’s Taping Rebellion, which caused more deaths than World War I, and the 18th century’s White Lotus rebellions. These men also provided the cannon fodder for the early 20th century Warlord militias.

Frau Katze is totally correct: polygamy = societal destabilization. The irony is that in today’s China, rich men amassing concubine harems is a returning thing.

“This may be true, I don’t kno”

No doubt that Sex In The City episodes, corporate media portrayals of extramarital affairs with minimal consequence, and the Heartiste movement have played major roles in a small group of Americans who support having another sex partner when married. They are schemes for men and women who are “relationship anarchists”.

“She was born with a terminal illness that is expected to finish her off in early middle age. So having had the “die young” part of the rubric handed to her at birth, she chose the “live fast” part as well.”

Just what terminal illness would destroy you on the inside but leave you attractive enough for many lovers in the meantime?

In the UK of the 1970s there was quite a big effort by the left to legalize pedophilia.

Harriet Harman MP, who later was briefly leader of the Labour Party was a leading figure in this campaign.
In those strange times, sexual crimes against children, and child pornography was not the taboo it is now. And, more to the point, trendies such as ‘Danny the Red’ Cohn-Bendit advocated for pedophilia, which gave the ‘progressive’ imprimatur to the cause for lick spittle groupies like Harman to latch on to.

The public mood in the UK to pedophilia today is basically the same as the mood of 17th century Salem to witchcraft. If any trendy lefty advocated it now, he would be destroyed forever, if not physically attacked. Pedophiles, (commonly called ‘nonces’ in the UK), are routinely tortured, mutilated and murdered in UK prisons. In an odd inversion of the 1970s British hard left, the murderer of a ‘nonce’ has great kudos in the UK prison system. It’s a sure fire one way ticket to becoming ‘King of the Jail’ and commanding instant, grovelling respect. Hence, there’s no shortage of nonce mutilators and murderers in the UK prison system.

Incentive indeed for trendy lefty politicians not to touch the issue. They, too, for sure will be mutilated or murdered.

Arthur C. Clark was widely suspected to be a pederast.

Suspected? He expatriated to Sri Lanka where the sodomy laws were more favorable to someone with his proclivities.

As an aside, he was probably the greatest sci-fi author of all time. I highly recommend his Collected Stories.

The DARK SIDE of ARTHUR C. CLARKE ? (a comprehensive study of allegations made in 1998 and since)

Jan 16, 2023

A detailed and balanced study of the sex crime allegations made against Arthur C. Clarke in 1998 by the Sunday Mirror, followed by others. This analysis chronologically explores the published news media stories and other sources to give a comprehensive overview. This is a complex issue, involving a lot of information – hence the length of the video.

My full 43 page article on the Arthur C. Clarke allegations (which is full of sources and links) can be read at …
https://www.collativelearning.com/downloadables/ARTHUR%20C%20CLARE%20-%20THE%20DARK%20SIDE%20OF%20-%20text%20version.pdf

Sensible comment.

[astonishment emoji]

And yes, “relationship anarchist” is another one of these weird self-contradicting neologisms.

This is just a victory lap, sneering.

This is also a logical outcome of individualism and libertarianism. Pursuit of happiness, folks, pursuit of happiness.

Consenting adults, amirite?

About a third of Americans surveyed in a YouGov poll in February of 2023 said they preferred some form of non-monogamy in relationships.

Oh really? And what percentage of these people have actually been laid in the last year?

People should just have affairs that they keep on the DL, if they find monogamy so unbearable. It’s far more dignified and time tested than “polyamory.” The French get this.

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2014/01/14/french-more-accepting-of-infidelity-than-people-in-other-countries/

I don’t think polyamory will ever become widespread among high-status people, though you’ll have examples here and there. The middle class is trying it on right now, but as the comments to the NYT piece reflect, it’s fundamentally embarrassing and cringey and carries a whiff of desperation.

Agreed. One cannot be loyal to oneself. We have different words and phrases for some aspects of that- character, self esteem, backbone.

People only say “loyal to yourself” as an excuse for being disloyal to someone else.

Tripling turns out to be a practice, in De Kalb, anyway, in which a husband and wife invite a third party—male or female, but more often female—over for an evening of whatever, including polymorphous perversity

A large percentage of W4W ads on bumble, perhaps majority, are married women looking for “triples”.

Young healthy people don’t die of Covid. It kills only the elderly and a few young people already in poor health.

Because people thought Covid was a grave risk everybody began working from home. In what has truly turned out to be a worst-case scenario people enjoyed WFH, guess losing the chance for water cooler chitchat was no great tragedy, and to make matters even worse companies discovered that in most cases productivity was just as high and they could save money on expensive office leases as they expire.

The predictable result is that urban economies are suffering tremendously, and its only going to get much worse as multiyear office leases expire. It’s been called an Urban Death Spiral. And if the situation isn’t bad enough already, lenders will suffer as more and more commercial real estate loans default, with effects that will reverberate through the entire economy.

Time to stock up on antidepressants.

leftist thought leaders have re-evaluated the math using 2024 political calculus, and decided this will be a net benefit to them now, versus in the past, where it would have benefitted Republicans more.

leftists got a new advantage in their math: like ye olde introductory physics problem, they can assume no friction.

Democrats assume they’ve got the border open permanently now, and there’s nothing Republicans can or will do about it. that means they can worry less about higher TFR Republican voters making more of themselves faster than Democrat voters. any higher TFR for their opponents is more than offset by a flood of third worlders who vote D.

in the past, this was a problem for them, so they held back on any stuff that increased R TFR. today, the cake is baked, so they can go full degen. every degen step was aimed at reducing R TFR. go for interracial marriage…shorten marriages and introduce no fault divorce…eliminate marriage completely…go for homosexual marriage…go after their kids and convert them from heteros to homos. all these things reduced R TFR.

but Democrats don’t have to take that into account any longer. it’s ok to introduce a policy that might slightly INCREASE Republican TFR, because Democrats will swamp them with a billion third worlders.

I’ve never heard of Amazon shorts

It was a one-time thing. As I said, in retrospect I suspect it was sort of guerilla marketing for their upcoming move into streaming video. It was striking at the time because while Big Tech platforms such as YouTube already hosted video, it was the first time I was aware of any Big Tech platform sponsoring original content, content which therefore in some way stated their values. And it sucked.

Also Amazon does not block low star reviews. I’ve read many one star reviews.

I too. Nick said they blocked only the reviews critical of polyamory. I’m taking his word for it.

The military has long required its troops to be vaccinated. It only became a problem when in 2021 a bunch of dumb people decided to make refusing to get vaccinated a flag they’d rally around to express their resentment of those smarter than them. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oppositional_culture, which was developed to explain the behavior of low-IQ blacks, but equally applies to the behavior of low-IQ whites like yourself.

Here’s a thing: if you don’t like following rules, don’t join the U.S. Military. Maybe join a bowling league or a weight loss club or something.

Like the best predictions, this is already happening. “Catholic” churches too (google “pachamama catholic”). Protestants (esp. Evangelicals) have been doing crap for a while.

‘Er… Are you aware that Islam is polygamous and in many countries men can have up to four wives? It doesn’t look like what I’d consider a “traditional family”.’

Yeah — but in practice, that doesn’t necessarily happen much.

I was reading about the situation in Morocco. In principle, Moroccans are all for it; eighty percent think it should continue to be legal. After all, the practice is certainly sanctioned by the Quran.

However, nobody actually does it; like, one out of every ten thousand marriages or something were polygamous — some vanishingly small number. It turns out the practical problems are daunting. For one, your first wife isn’t going to think much of the idea. For another, who wants to be junior wife? And picture the situation between your thirteen year old son from your first marriage and that nineteen year old hottie you just brought into the family nest…you sure you want to go there?

So not too many actually take advantage — at least not in Morocco.

From your link:

He used the example of the luxury cruise ship the Diamond Princess and the Theodore Roosevelt aircraft carrier as proof that whatever was circulating was not a new virus. “Something” was always circulating in my opinion, he said.

Lots of people said this, up until they got COVID, at which point they switched to using horse de-wormers or other miracle cures promoted by low-IQ sports commentators instead of high-IQ doctors. They realized having COVID was a lot worse than the flu, which is what non-mentally ill people were saying from the beginning.

I was a naturally rebellious teen and loved to flout conventions.

In my 30s I read that the anticonformist, in his predictable negations, is an unwitting slave to conformity.

After that I tried to be myself. A trivial example of liberation was buying $15 Costco blue jeans rather than costly Levis.

Because of technological advances, working from home has been feasible for many years. What slowed its adoption was the dislike of change many people have. It not only saves money on office space for the employer but also saves time and money for the employees by not having to commute to a central location. This is especially nice in snowy northern states in the winter, like Indiana where I live, when road conditions are often bad. So, while teleworking may be bad for big cities, it is good for everyone else.

Because of its advantages, teleworking will be eventually accepted except for a few diehard opponents. The other big change coming along will be education from home. Homeschooling became more popular during the Covid epidemic. Considering the poor quality of most government run public schools, it is not that hard to provide a superior alternative at home.

“whose friends were getting divorced and who convinced her to get divorced too”

One friendship group (we’d all had baby #1 around the same time and met at antenatal classes) went through a sudden bump of divorces when the eldest was around 12 or 13 – we went from 8 couples where only one mum had split with daddy to only 3 couples still married to each other. Fortunately by the time our eldest was 12 our youngest hadn’t started school, so my wife was still too busy to get divorced.

Can’t see polyamory becoming mainstream because the sexual marketplace for men and women is so different. Any woman who’s not morbidly obese (and quite a few who are) can find a man for a night, or for when he’s at a loose end, but not every man can.

Those men who can find a female bedmate at short notice tend to be alpha types whose women want to hang onto them if possible but otherwise are resigned to sharing.

The great Prince Buster laid down the blueprint for male-female relationships as far back as 1963.

“Throuple” was a New Word on Friday’s Jeopardy!

Yuck.

We got along fine with going into the office up to March 2020, considering the apocalyptic effect WFH will have on cities (and, to some extent, suburban office parks) and financial institutions I believe the federal government should outlaw it except in some rare cases. I do not know how that could be accomplished but I’m sure there is some way.

Don’t do this.

The amusing thing is that while I doubt anyone here has ever been in a polycule or to a munch, you all got the major points, though not all in the same comment. Truth is truth, and the book of Nature often discovers what the book of God told you a while ago…or religions evolve culturally to deal with humanity’s biologically evolved nature, take your pick.

Skip the rest of the comment unless you really liked the Satyricon.

It was a hippie thing, then a geek thing, and now a progressive thing. Go on the polyamory board on reddit and come browse for the occasional person asking if you can be conservative and polyamorous. (Stay for accounts of the most entertaining and bizarre relationship explosions you will ever read.) They are very nasty–it’s a *progressive*, *leftist* thing, being conservative means you don’t have empathy, which you need to keep multiple people happy, monogamy is patriarchal, blah-blah-blah. Plus because there are so many gay/lesbian/bi/nonbinary/etc. people, and the Republicans want to destroy them, well, you’re attacking everyone there. Tell them Ashli Babbitt was in a throuple and they get very angry.

(Really? Maybe…
https://nypost.com/2021/01/14/ashli-babbitt-husband-were-reportedly-in-a-throuple/
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9147335/Dead-MAGA-mobster-Ashli-Babbitt-Marine-ex-husband-THROUPLE-bartender.html
https://www.the-sun.com/news/2141460/dead-capitol-rioter-ashli-babbitt-was-in-throuple/)

They also like to complain about the ‘one penis policy’, where both parties can sleep outside with women only, because it’s patriarchal, favors the male partner, and homophobic. (You’ll note it also removes paternity issues and balances the difficulty of finding partners, since it’s much harder for men to find women who want to do this sort of thing than vice versa.) That and ‘unicorn hunting’, where a couple goes looking for a woman to play with and occasionally try to date long term, which usually ends in grief for the extra woman who usually get dumped. (This appears to have been what Sartre and de Beauvoir did.)

You also get the occasional straight guy complaining he can’t find anyone, and nobody has any sympathy, because STRAIGHT MAN BAD! TBH they probably are flooded with guys looking for casual sex with multiple women and adopting feminist principles is a way to keep them out or at least keep them from f@#$ing and running *too* much.

Contra clifford brown, swingers are actually a separate thing, usually consisting of straight couples (note the reference to the Midwest in the Tom Wolfe article) only stepping outside with each other, though apparently they sometimes let the ladies mess around with each other too. In fact, they tend to learn right politically, to the point where the poly people don’t like the swingers because they’re too heteronormative. That’s right, folks, we now have red and blue versions of *extramarital sex*. You can read Justin Lehmiller’s Tell Me What You Want on this if you want. That weird Collins couple with the glasses has similar findings in The Pragmatist’s Guide to Sexuality, though that’s for entertainment purposes mostly as their sample size is much smaller.

The ‘throuple’ or ‘triad’, the preferred nomenclature, is actually relatively rare–the usual arrangements are ‘solo poly’, with a person living by themselves and dating multiple people independently, or two people as ‘nesting partners’ who live together but also see other people.

Who benefits? (Who? Whom?) Well, if the marriage gets opened it’s much harder for the guy to find extramarital partners, so usually the woman, as Peter Akuleyev says. This is why you keep hearing feminists talking about how great it is–you get to be ‘liberated’ while the poor schlub has to see you bang other dudes because the divorce will ruin him financially. Of course you get the occasional guy who tries to open the marriage thinking he’ll get poon on the side and getting a very unpleasant surprise. As Twinkie says, once the marriage dissolves it can go the other way–easier for a man to find a new partner than a woman, so arguably the ladies get their just desserts as well.

As Frau Katze, Almost Missouri, and others say, you get a couple of men monopolizing all the women as with the FLDS or Islam (where only a few men actually get multiple wives). You could also add in wealthy Imperial Chinese men and their concubines. Nowadays this seems balanced by the unattractive women collecting a couple of nerd guys willing to share a girlfriend due to a lack of other options (as in Bugg’s twitter link), though whether it balances numerically I have no clue.

How do I know any of this? Well…

I was a geek in high school (still am, honestly) and a bunch of my friend group all got into polyamory in the late 1990s, though being the least liberal of a liberal bunch even back then, I was horrified and stopped talking to them.

I stayed out of the dating market way too long, but did finally use OKCupid in the late 2000s and 2010s, and there were quite a few poly women. Now much like high-quality Asian women, low-quality white women are often nerd-tolerant, so this happened more often than you might think. There was a huge overlap between poly and the kink and LGBTQ communities (though I obviously didn’t date any lesbians, there were a couple of bis), so that knot-tying book I had gotten a few years earlier out of an attempt to improve my manual dexterity proved to have…other uses. I can confirm, as per Redneck Farmer: lots of people in black leather who don’t look very good in black leather, or out of it. (*Especially* out of it.) And, yes, as per Altai3’s video: the people who are happy to tell you they’re polyamorous are usually not the most attractive.

I also got to meet a few people in ‘open marriages’, which were invariably dissolved when I ran into them three years later on the same app. One of the more common configurations was the lady who wanted to get tied up and spanked but the husband didn’t want to do it. That I never did as I figured there was too much risk of a shotgun cocked at my door someday. I did have a non-kinky (‘vanilla’) girlfriend and a submissive (the more feminist of the two, ironically) for a couple of years. I’m convinced a huge component of the whole kink thing is a way for progressives to play traditional gender roles for an evening or so without feeling bad.

What does any of this have to do with kids? *Hopefully as little as possible*. Best of all nothing, but as the linked article says you have plenty of people eager enough to blow up a marriage with kids for a little gratification a la Honor Jones or Elizabeth Gilbert. Or men too numerous to count.

I’m convinced marriage is slavery for men these days, but all you guys (and any gals) reading this and hoping to take one for the team, find a stable partner, and perpetuate Western Civ, stay the heck away from this poly business. The whole thing’ll blow up in your face in a few years, and you’ll be left with alimony and child support payments and the kids’ll be left with divorced parents and a much higher risk of everything bad.

Don’t do this.

Or, to paraphrase a famous reactionary author: Don’t call up what you can’t put down.

The military was rightly concerned about too many getting sick at the same time so that a ship couldn’t function. But who cares if the SECDEF is incommunicado for a couple of weeks?

No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main; if a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as well as if a manor of thy friend’s or of thine own were; any man’s death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.

John Donne

See the little “Insert MORE Tag” button above the text box? Shove it up your fundament comment.

“…polyamory is drifting from the margins to the mainstream.”

“Drifting” indeed. Along with the practicioners.

From AI chat thing:

Amazon had a contest called Amazon Studios’ “Amazon Instant Video: Test Pilots” prior to introducing their streaming service. This contest allowed aspiring filmmakers and content creators to submit their short video pilots for the chance to have them developed into full series.

Critical Incident Review:
Active Shooter at Robb Elementary School
https://cops.usdoj.gov/uvalde

Scott Alexander would occasionally mention he was in a poly (and was bummed out because he was “having troubles with his main”). If Slate Star Codex can’t make poly trendy, what can?

As I comment every time Steve pulls out a poly column, journalists have long been cheerleading poly and anything else that undermines the traditional family and traditional roles. Despite our own rather unimaginative personal lives

It’s fun and easy — just find the friend of a friend who has an “alternative” lifestyle

For some reason hardcore Star Trek fans and child molesters go hand in hand. The article below is from 2005 but I’ve seen similar reports years before.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/pedophilia-and-star-trek_b_5857

Very insightful post on Steve’s post. Thank you. Common sense based is always appreciated.

“Tell them Ashli Babbitt was in a throuple and they get very angry.”

I’m…very much surprised. You like the think the best of people, especially once they’re dead (and especially if they died in such a senseless way). To think that she engaged in such degenerate behavior. It does make one wonder, though, was this her idea or her husband’s idea to “open up” the marriage? Also, have any studies been done of which type of person is more susceptible to polyamory—and especially does having served in one of the military branches lead to a person being more susceptible to polyamory? I say this, because as the military is more and more coed, this might subconsciously lead to vets thinking, “well, we did so many things together when we served, we saw so much of everyone, especially off duty, why not keep that open type of experience going once we’re in civilian life?”

Think of it this way: A person, especially a man, does all the hard work of attempting to “win” or…uh, “woo” a woman, finally asks her to marry him. He put in the time, effort, and resources on his own, and then post-marriage, she asks to open up the marriage and invite in others who didn’t put in the hard word and time–and so random person is going to get the same benefits as the man who worked hard to get the woman; only, they didn’t have to put in the hard work.

The message being sent re: poly? One works hard to get the person, while another person comes in and basically for free with little to no effort involved gets the same benefits (think we all know what is meant here). The one who did the hard work, subconsciously, feels like a chump, a sap, and a simp. All he had to do is wait his turn instead of working hard, and he’d have gotten all the benefits for free as well.

Selfish hedonism. That’s all it is.

Thanks for posting.

juggling an open marriage with work and child care.

Winter concedes that polyamory could be exhausting — particularly when she had to balance it with marriage, child care and working as an 8th grade English teacher.

“I did not sleep very much,” she said.

I’ll bet you didn’t, honey! You had better things to do in bed than sleep.

A fine example to her students.

8th grade teachers are allowed to have sex lives, even perverted ones, but I just don’t want to hear about it. Either you make $ writing titillating tell all books or you make $ as a school teacher, but not both.

Heinlein sucks.

You apparently don’t know what the word “proxy” means.

I think this is half right. COVID lockdowns did force WFH, but many companies are finding it’s not as good as in-person. But companies that had downtown office space were often there purely out of inertia. So if they abandoned it during COVID, and decide to go back to in-person, they’ll be doing it out in office parks next door to Initech, not downtown.

Twinkie, I think Kaganovich’s point about the slogan “work makes you free” was not its meaning per se, but that it was posted over slave labor concentration camps.

Cats are cuter-looking than actual polyamorists.

And using cats avoids the issue of what is a representative sex balance. Making any decision there is sure to offend someone.

The other .03 percent didn’t die of Covid either.

Let’s not vaporize the Earth because Russian kids aren’t gay and trans at acceptable enough numbers for these awful women.

I don’t now if it’s just the offended sensiblities of awful women. Russia’s refusal to embrace destabilizing gay and trans trends make it dangerous reservoir of “Fascist” sympathies that might reinfect other parts of the world. To embrace them is almost an act of submission because it enables hostile political cadres within traditional society. Anyone surprised Polycules are queueing up?

The denial of binary sexuality is now the equivalent of a political loyalty oath.

“the Sexual Revolution has accelerated the de-Christianization and re-paganization of Western society”

It fits into the ideology of Conservative Inc’s vaunted freedom of association.

And not everyone is Christian or holds strictly to Christian ideology. Must all or most Americans adhere to it? Ideally, yes. Realistically, no. Something about the separation of church and state…

I see an opportunity to tell more true stories from life, so I will after the MORE tag.

First of all, I think it is typical of Our American Pravda to present as a lifestyle and identity something that has gone on in various forms forever. The book and the news articles are kind of silly. People schtup in open relationships of one sort or another without identifying as anything or justifying their behavior. They just do it.

Before my faithful marriage, which now has lasted 23 years, I had some experiences with open relationships, so here are two of them:

How quickly we have gone from Heather Has Two Mommies to Buddy’s Mommy Is a Ho.

In most polygamous Caucasian Muslim societies ca. 99% of people live in monogamous marriages.

OT — DeSantis Out. Source NYT.
Does this mean that aligning with House Bush and picking Karl Rove as your campaign advisor was a very, very stupid unforced error?
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/21/us/politics/desantis-drops-out.html

What they’re calling polyamory is nothing more, nothing less than the inner female hyper narcissistic fantasy of two men dueling for her attentions. Both men “solving” her “problems” — be they sexual, economic, emotional — effectively worshipping her — allowing her to live a carefree reckless “Goddess” life without accountability or constraints of any kind.

The above are the fundamental storybeats for pulp fiction female romance novels — in other words: female pornography.

As traditional religions have noted — reality has a marked different opinion.

It used to be possible to fire teachers for moral turpitude. I don’t know if it still is. There have been a few teachers fired recently after their Only Fans pages came to light, but I don’t know what was given as the cause for their termination.

It is reasonable to expect teachers to set a moral example for their pupils and that they be fired for failing to do so.

None of that actually happened. You’re an insecure liar dork.

Future Buzz Mohawk post I expect to see:

“I’ve read stories like this on unz.com before, but I never believed they were true until it happened to me………”

I think maybe you took a wrong turn on the internet somewhere, Buzz. This is isteve, not Penthouse Letters.

OT — And now the time has come when we laugh at the German government!
AfD has been skyrocketing in polls. The Regime’s response: demonstrations! And not, like, y’know, having all those people they organized to demonstrate actually, like, vote against AfD because that would be totes kompliziert. But even here they fail. They have been caught lying about turnout and using AI photo manipulation to fudge their fight against democracy.
Indeed, for they so loved Our Democracy, that they were moved to stand upon the surface of the moving and frigid water.

This isn’t the first kinky episode you’ve fabricated, NERD. You and the dorky Jr high teacher should become a team writing about experiences you’ve never had.

DeSantis just dropped out of the race and endorsed Trump. Interesting timing, to say the least.

Yaaaawn.

Romance and sex are compelling precisely because they are about something important–children, family, lineage, the future … life.

Stripped of that it’s just a lot of grunting and squirting, basically a personal hobby like golf. “Get in the hole!”

Her husband, Stewart, consented to her tryst, but feeling guilty, she dashes naked into the kitchen to text him: Don’t worry, she writes, “he has nothing on you as a lover.”

To put it bluntly, Mrs. Winter is not an attractive woman. I feel that both her husband and her adulterous lover deserve some sort of kudos if they got hard enough even to attempt coitus with her.

(apologies if this has already be mentioned in comments above).

The recent Wall St. Journal (Friday) had a related front page article about the supposed trend on commercial dating sites where prospective “date” bios mention being “non monogamous”, even by the married, as a “new thing.”

The acronym (if you’re asking for a friend) is “ENM” or Ethically Non Monogamous.”

The “Ethical” part is supposed to indicate that your “regular partner”, i.e. married spouse or regular girlfriend/boyfriend, is aware of your roaming the range on this matter.

Per the article, it mentions this as a hipster Brooklyn trend, among other places with “trendy” behavior now public.

So with the Times article, along with New York magazine and WaPo, this is officially the hot-n-dirty fad for 2024 that will now be shoved into your face, should you want to be trendy. I’m sure social media is also atwitter (ahem).

The Journal dating site article suggests that most females looking for Mr. Right aren’t looking for ENM ones, though some say they are okay with that. Guys, of course, don’t appear to be as fussy though I suspect they don’t want Ms. Right to have a wandering eye.

This isn’t anything new, just like all media memes, old stuff polished to a fine gleam so as to dazzle the eye and dull the brain.

I suspect the Feminist Mafia will chime in soon. This must be a male inspired evil plot.

Given the rational human preference for exclusive use private property, I suspect this will have short term buzz with the usual overlooked gunshots to the gut by less tolerant “partners.”

The increasing use of “partners” instead of husband, wife, spouse, boyfriend, girlfriend is also a sign of blurring distinctions. Hiding relationships behind a vague word which conveys almost zero information.

Why exactly do our Woke language and relationship overlords want to pursue this? What are they really trying to pull off with this? One suspects the New Sexual Frontiers are still being stealthy and as yet, unspecified.

OT: DeSantis is suspending his campaign and endorsing Trump ……the Trump train is gaining speed ,Oh look ,a birdbrain standing on the tracks.

We got along fine with going into the office up to March 2020, considering the apocalyptic effect WFH will have on cities (and, to some extent, suburban office parks) and financial institutions I believe the federal government should outlaw it except in some rare cases. I do not know how that could be accomplished but I’m sure there is some way.

Geez. I suppose everyone should ride horses so the buggy whip manufacturers don’t go out of business.

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And seriously, if you wanted the government to try and preserve some social system in amber, the American metro circa 2019 has to be one of the worst possible choices.

If you’re going to tyrannically impose inefficiency to preserve something, the family farm, where the girls got up in the morning and milked the cows would be a far better choice, with far better mental health–including fewer people thinking they need polyamory.

Thank you to the realest lost soul on this site.

In other good news, It seem Alec Baldwin might not get away with shooting people in the head.

Alec Baldwin is headed to trial over the death of cinematographer Halyna Hutchins, who was killed in 2021 after the actor’s prop gun fired a live round of ammunition on the “Rust” film set.

Alec Baldwin’s defense looks to be that he doesn’t posses agency but his gun did. No word on how many other people the gun has shot.

https://citizenwatchreport.com/alec-baldwin-indicted/

My initial thought after reading this was that it’s time for conservatives to embrace Islam.

No.

“Does wanting your partner to be happy include finding happiness in the arms (and bed) of another person?”

Let me fix that:

“Does wanting your partner to be happy include letting him (and it’s always him) find happiness in the arms (and bed) of another person?”

Let me answer that:

No.

it’s not up to Zelensky to tell Ukrainians to roll over and surrender.

It is actually 100% the responsibility of Zelenskyy to steer the ship that is Ukraine in a manner that is optimal for Ukraine given its context. If that means, surrender — so be it.

This has been the fate of CEE nations stuck between West and East for millennia.

Suicidal mania for an unwinnable war will be his legacy.

Just found out today that a friend of ours who runs a preschool has kiddie trans literature (something about mermaids) on her shelves. She is proud of this. Her female friends think this is amazing.

Thank God our kids never went there.

Oh, she recently got another degree long distance from some New England place. The curriculum included left-wing revolutionaries. What they have to contribute to the education of five year olds, don’t ask me.

Yeah, he had his archives sealed for thirty years after his death.

He took at face value that US intel report about Chinese officers repacing rocket fuel with water. Does he know it’s true? Does he know “our” intel agencies lie constantly?

I couldn’t care less about Chinese military prestige but I do care about how the Five Eyes countries get high on their own supply of disinformation.

This polyamory stuff makes sex too much like work. If not an expression of love, sex should at least be relaxing. The fewer complications after the fact, the better.

Oy Gevalt! She looks like JK Simmons with hair.

You and others like SaveYouTheTime remind me of people who honestly think the moon landings didn’t happen. It’s because you and they find it impossible to believe things that are too far from your everyday experience, things you can’t comprehend.

My stories are real, and I am nobody special. I just like to write about them sometimes. There is a lot going on out there in the world…

If your wife is trying to convince you to make your marriage “open”, immediately divorce her. It’s just a matter of time anyway, so better to rip the bandaid off there and then and keep whatever dignity you have left.

Okay, if it makes you feel better not to believe it, then go ahead.

There are people who have done a lot more than I have, and I’m nobody special, but I write from experience. I haven’t lived an exactly ordinary life, and I myself am amazed at the things that just happened to have happened!

And if you thiink it makes my ego feel good to tell about my experiences, you’re damn right it does.

Stanley is one of the handful of commenters on this blog I look forward to see post. He is such a refreshing change from the fabulists, self-aggrandizers, bullshitters, nut cases and hobby-horse riders. He is the kind of person I would enjoy having as a commenter on my blog. If I had a blog (koff). And allowed comments. Which I would not. Because of the aforementioned et ceteras.

The next big push by the left will probably be for the open acceptance of animal sacrifice

Just don’t call this by its original name– holocaust.

Today, however, they’d have to get past PETA. Look for plant-based sacrificial “beasts”. Lab-concocted, or topiary:

What excellent advice. And how fortuitous that it is already being followed.

“It often feels like mothers are not supposed to be sexual beings.”

Er, isn’t being a sexual being what makes a mother a mother?

Nice name for a pole dancer

Thanks Stan, and J Ross.

DeSantis:

“I’ve had disagreements with Donald Trump, such as on the Coronavirus pandemic, and his elevation of Anthony Fauci,” he said. “Trump is superior to the current incumbent Joe Biden.”

“I signed a pledge to support the Republican nominee and I will honor that pledge,” he continued. “He has my endorsement because we can’t go back to the old Republican guard of yesteryear, or a repackaged form of warmed-over corporatism that Nikki Haley represents.”

This is good news. And an excellent summary by DeSantis.

I like DeSantis. He did a great job with the pandemic. We had a month of stupid … then things shaped back up. (Unlike some folks here, I never had any issue slapping on a mask to go into Walmart, ACE, HomeDepot, Publix or ABC Liquor–which pretty much covered my needs.) DeSantis had the kids back in school in the fall–unlike Washington where this nonsense dragged out for an entire ‘nother year, and still wasn’t back to normal. (I don’t have kids in school anymore, but we’re good friends with a younger family across the canal who do, and they sure as heck appreciated it.)

DeSantis is also much smarter and more disciplined than Trump. And compared to Trump more about good policies than himself. I think he’d have been a better, more effective President. But he’s a much crappier campaigner and does not have Trump’s visceral connection with the people. This is where we are, so there’s no sense not throwing in behind Trump.

I would have preferred a little more ringing endorsement of Trump–though admittedly Trump makes that more difficult with his name calling and being an asshole to good people. But his statement on Haley is spot on.

Whatever the outcome we absolutely positively can not go back to utterly useless Bush-McCain-McConnell-Romney-Ryan “conservatism”. The path forward must be one that actually delivers something for normal Americans–starting with the immigration insanity destroying the nation, and working out from there.

If Nikki Haley is the answer, you’re asked the wrong question.

Molly “Rode In” Winter … ? Really?

Sounds a bit hoax-ish (JT LeRoy style), but I have no first-hand knowledge one way or the other …

“You and others like SaveYouTheTime remind me of people who honestly think the moon landings didn’t happen. ”

You didn’t mention anything about the “moon landings”. And, frankly, I’m not certain I want to know about them.

Indeed, she is very ugly, and that no doubt plays a big part in her psychology.

I guess this tweet implies that the second photo was photoshopped to make it look like more people were there. However, it’s just angle.

And now the time has come when we laugh at the German government!

And now we dance!

This development is pretty funny, and it makes me wonder what kind of back-room negotiations and planning are going on…

You’re right, sort of, but it’s like saying “Okay, I’ll eat dry horse shit instead of wet bullshit, and I’ll naively expect it to make a difference.”

The powers that be want massive, non-White immigration to continue around the world, so it will go on, no matter who we elect. The same goes for foreign entanglements.

There will continue to be only one, approved and promulgated cluster of beliefs, and it is not yours or mine.

By the time I thought of that the edit period had expired. Sorry!

The narratives are too clean and you’re too beta and insecure.

She was born with a terminal illness that is expected to finish her off in early middle age…

I was wondering about that too. How did she know she had it? Were the symptoms apparent at a young age? If so, would sex games really be in the cards?

There are a few hereditary diseases that aren’t apparent at birth but kill you as a young to middle aged adult. Huntington’s is one. You wouldn’t know you had it as a young person unless you had a genetic test. There’s a 50% chance of inheriting it from the affected parent.

I’m old enough to remember when Big Tech was first becoming A Thing, to the extent that it had any definite “culture”, that culture was free, open, and indistinct: sort of “libertarian, but we don’t want to limit ourselves with definitions”. You could buy any book on Amazon, search any subject on Google, opine any opinion on Reddit.

That’s the Romance of the Frontier. The frontier is free and open, devoid of man’s rules and limitations and only regulated by the Laws of Nature.

The problem is, even when remotely close to the romance, the frontier doesn’t last long. It closes… inevitably.

I found a one star review of this book criticizing polyamory on Amazon:

I have 2 friend couples who followed this path.
Both are now divorced.
The author tries to make this idea a fluffy choice to strengthen marriage.
I was not convinced.
As per national statistics, 92% of marriages that try open marriage, end in divorce.

There are 10 positive reviews and just this one negative one.

However, nobody actually does it; like, one out of every ten thousand marriages or something were polygamous.

The man has to support all the wives to the same standard, effectively reducing to a habit for wealthy men only.

Even there women are pushing back against it. I read a memoir by a Saudi princess (her father had several wives). She told her husband she’d leave him if he took a second wife. She was literate and had travelled abroad and decided polygamy sucked. He dropped the idea.

You like the guy who spent a year promoting the COVID vaccine and now spends his time pandering to anti-vaxxers with idiotic lies?

Whatever the outcome we absolutely positively can not go back to utterly useless Bush-McCain-McConnell-Romney-Ryan “conservatism”.

Likely we will. Those people still dominate the GOP House and Senate, notwithstanding a few people like Vance and Hawley. Republican voters only object to neocons if they say mean things about Trump. That’s literally the only thing that matters.

“I would be happy to give him a bl**job just to thank him for keeping abortion legal. I think American women should be lining up with their presidential kneepads on to show their gratitude for keeping the theocracy off our backs.”

Wonder if she ever visited Epstein’s private island? As Clinton spent quite a bit of time there, it’s only natural that she’d want some one on one time with him in a most secluded place.

I’m sure it’s a real scorcher!

https://i.prcdn.co/img?regionKey=Z5RLdg7KpbqCeQ4aa0UJ3g%3d%3d

“As an aside, he was probably the greatest sci-fi author of all time”

Nah, Isaac Asimov.

Who was not a pedo, either.

“My mother is fat and loud but my aunt is just an emaciated husk.”

Do they live in the same house? If so, do they have a room for rent?

Jews and their real estate fixation.

Oy vey…

To sum up: I think there is a difference between the kind of stuff I did and people who take this on as an identity and who make faux intellectual arguments for it. It was just fun, and no one got hurt.

I agree.

Remember the NYT feminist who said she’d give Bill Clinton a blowjob in the White House to reward him for defending Roe?

It’s odd saying this because he is younger than both of the major contenders for the office, but in 2024 Bill Clinton would not be able to make it through the screening process in order to run for president. For all of their foibles neither Obama nor Biden have been personally attached to sexual scandal.

All I’m saying is to keep an open mind, as I keep telling my third and fourth wives.

You, “MagyarLo,” logged on, created a pseudonym and wrote your first and only comment to say that?

Look, I could have just written the barest facts:

1) I had a girlfriend who shared me with her friend and I screwed them both for a couple of months, one time even together in my girlfriend’s bed.

2) Then I screwed another man’s wife for a couple of months with his approval. He was there the first time, and he screwed her too, right in front of me.

That would all be accurate, but not as detailed or interesting. I included exactly how those things got started, a little bit of what happened, and then where they went. I like to write, so if “the narratives are too clean” it is because I am a writer, and I can, you know, rite gud.

Getting back to the meat of the matter now: Steve is right that there is a push to make poly-whatever into a “thing.” My point is that it’s always happened, and that it’s usually not a lifestyle or an identity or anything worthy of the psychobabble its receiving now in newspapers and to sell a new book.

There is a difference between what I did and saw, and what our public intellectuals are now trying to make into something else. Sure, there are people who call themselves “poly,” but who cares? They often live together for extended periods, like polygamist Mormons or whatever. Not the same as open sexual relationships of the kind I had some exposure to.

“Then we made love and slept together.”

Cuddling with two women? You’re a glutton for punishment.

She explained it in a language other than English, but I think she was describing cystic fibrosis.

“Throuple” was a New Word on Friday’s Jeopardy!

Now, Woke Jeopardy!

That was 1967. However, Jimmy Soul did give the blueprint for a successful marriage in 1963.

The current work-from-home landscape is very much “hybrid” for most traditional office employers.

I’ve seen quite a number of big office employers re-up on either urban or suburban office space in recent years (depending on their perceived needs and proclivities) but almost always at a significantly smaller footprint than what they head going into COVID.

Given the shrinking overall demand, there is a lot of leverage for tenants to flee to quality buildings *and* score good deals on rent when doing so.

Big Blue Cities that are letting crime and drug abuse and homelessness run rampant are doing themselves no favors in this cutthroat buyer’s market. That sort of thing *will* tip the balance for some meaningful number of tenants to opt for some kind of suburban location instead of the Big City core.

This is a slow-motion train wreck as pre-existing leases hit their pre-programmed expiration dates and tenants one by one downsize and grab bargain rents. It will kill some more banks and impose serious losses on insurance companies, pension funds and others who’ve invested in private debt and equity vehicles that invested in office space. It will also allow the younger generations to re-live the fun & exciting 1970s and 1980s type experiences that us older folks had in NYC, SF and other urban hellscape dystopias. Good times!

The curriculum included left-wing revolutionaries.

They fall for the latest fashion and retrofit all of history and culture to suit the craze

So, they hang lgbt stuff in churches as if Jesus was about ‘pride’. 2000 yrs of Christianity culminating in the rapture by dancing circles around the altar of sodomy.

Or, they associate lgbt fashion with the history of leftism, as if Lenin and Stalin did whatever, good or bad, to celebrate trannies. Apparently, the Marxist concept of dialectics logically led to men declaring themselves as women.

For their pea-brains, the moment is monumental and cannot conceive of or tolerate anything that deviates from the ecstasy of the current fashion.

Such pea-brains also exist among what’s called conservatives. Remember Lady MAGA and ‘same-sex marriage’ as a ‘conservative value’. Pea-brains, all of them.

All of history and culture bottlenecked into a homosexual’s anus.

Not convinced that photo has been doctored. They are clearly from different angles.

What I glean from this is rather than Germany needs “separation”.
— There are clearly tens of millions of Germans who want to continue to live in Germany.
— But the super-state, many German businesses and clearly millions of people–or the current government would not be in power and could not muster tens of thousands in the street–who do not care about living in Germany and are willing to be swamped by immigrants in order to advertise that they aren’t Nazis. (There’s nothing so lame as virtue signaling that you aren’t a Nazi.)

The former people need to either win–as they represent civilization, normality and decency.
Or
They need to separate themselves from the virtue signaling “good Germans” so they can survive as a people as nation.

As with the US, it is critical politically for conservatives to talk about separation and make this issue and choice clear. I.e. demand your fundamental right to live in your nation. Do this and the more people consider it, the more people will decide that you are right and that they want to live in their nation as well.

Urban Death Spiral

I have heard about this too. However I suspect the lockdowns only accelerated an existing trend.

Downtown shopping has declined a lot, mostly due to online shopping. That’s not related to Covid and was happening well before the pandemic.

If the shoppers leave there’s fewer restaurant customers too.

Admittedly the work from home thing was a severe blow. But aren’t most people going back to the office now?

Danke, Frau Katze. That review had not yet been posted when I checked out the book’s amazon page.

This isn’t the first kinky episode you’ve fabricated, NERD. You and the dorky Jr high teacher should become a team writing about experiences you’ve never had.

What’s this deal of folks pissing on Buzz’s experiences? He’s offering his experiences–not yours, or mine. (I’ve lived a very normie low-key Boomer romantic life–HS girlfriend, college girlfriend, a few short-lived girlfriends in grad school, then met AnotherMom and we’ve been “boringly”–i.e. productively, 3 kids–monogamous for 40+ years.)

But people’s lives differ. Buzz stayed single much longer than me–probably than most of us. And he’s sharing a couple experiences at least tangentially related to the topic.

“That “four wife” thing was intended as a limitation so that the big tribal chiefs wouldn’t have harems of hundreds.”

Ah, but they DID have harems of hundreds… of kidnapped European rape-slaves.

Tough crowd! I find your stories above plausible, Buzz, but have no idea. All I know is my b.s. detector did not go off. What’s the Web saying? YMMV.

Point taken, but I dunno, I think context matters.

“Loyal to yourself” could be an expression of renunciation of misplaced/pathological altruism, or human-doormat-ism. There’s a lot of emotional masochists and passive-aggressive-passivists in the world.

I can’t believe we still let impressionable children read that psychopathic tale “The Giving Tree”.

Aren’t both of them (Heinlein, Rand) curious, non-dogmatic, intellectually vivacious & somehow shallow?

Deep waters of life they know not.

The correct sayings about that sorority are:

“Try Delt! Why not everyone else has”

And “Fly the friendly thighs”

A roommate was a tri-delt but she was actually wholesome.

Your point is true as a freestanding concept, but as ChrisZ surmised, I meant in context of slave labor camp.

“It used to be possible to fire teachers for moral turpitude. I don’t know if it still is.”

Sure, it is. Moral turpitude, 2024: Using correct pronouns (including writing the singular as singular, not plural—“them”); using the same capitalization for White as for black (or just capitalizing White). Refusing to surrender to the attack of the he-she monsters (riddling the same sentence with “he or she” and “his or her”). Saying “black,” instead of “african-american,” or “african.” Saying “homosexual,” instead of whatever alleged educators are calling them. Refusing to indulge the constant flood of hoaxes, e.g., “rape culture,” “global warming,” er, “climate change,” “mass incarceration,” “gender identity,” “White supremacy,” etc. Refusing to engage in the sexual grooming of children, either to turn them into homosexuals or sexual psychopaths.

These are all moral “crimes,” punishable by termination and Whitelisting, for educators today.

I watched a few sliced clips from Friedman’s interview with a famous divorce lawyer. I don’t find this guy a sympathetic person, but I’d say that most what he says rings true (I watched perhaps 10-20% of the entire interview):

“Throuple” was a New Word on Friday’s Jeopardy!

The word also showed up recently in the NYT crossword puzzle. I’ve noticed that one often cannot successfully complete this crossword unless one is au courant with all the latest prog and woke terminology. It seems as if the hegemon marshals every available resource to ensure maximal familiarity with and acceptance of the official narratives.

For centuries, Christendom defined adultery as sex with another man’s wife. Prostitution and dalliances with the maids provided an outlet for male desire without jeopardizing paternity certainty.

Some recognition of and allowance for sex differences brings stability.

So are you and commenter “SaveYouThe Time (1 comment history) the same person?

You’re a rank hypocrite. Having shunned women for behavior similar to Buzz’s, you dare to defend his alleged irresponsible libertine past. What about the adultery? Or does that only count against the woman involved?

It is interesting what was in that article, in the left-wing HuffPo, from 2005:

So why would sexual deviants be attracted to Star Trek?

Would Huffpo ever use the term “sexual deviant” today? After all, “Love is Love”, right? They might refer to Mike Pence as a deviant, but would they now dare call pedophiles – I’m sorry “MAPs” – “deviants”?

In perversion, there is an attempt to obliterate any distinctions that provoke unconscious anxiety. First and foremost, this entails a denial of the difference between the sexes and the difference between the generations

Differences between the sexes? This Huffpo article acts like that’s a real thing. Who are these neanderthals?

Would an article like this one by Ellen Ladowsky even be published in HuffPo today?

So considering I have a younger fiance these days I have been given a more closer look at the the (unintended? Who knows anymore) consequences of social media, and that is the internet sugar daddy.

A few of my fiance’s girlfriends have found ways to generate income by merely engaging in flirty text exchanges with older lonely men. One of them is an attractive young blond with a degree in marketing, but is currently waiting tables at box chain restaurant, living in her parents’ basement, but makes several hundred dollars a week from her sugars. She apparently spends most of her days high, with the bulk of her SM activity documenting the various ways she delivers THC to her brain with as few clothes on as possible during the process.

It’s a shame too. She’s 24 years old and any guy with his head screwed on right won’t have anything to do with her. This is validated by the fact that she’s had nothing but hook ups the last 2-3 years.

When I was recovering from Covid (twice) I watched many YT videos on divorces, infidelity & similar stuff, mainly from the manosphere. Also, I read not few articles on the subject. I was too exhausted- ca. 2 months – for my ordinary reading/watching routine, so I relaxed with these rather light videos. I don’t know about this particular case, but, statistically:

a) it’s women who initiate open marriage most of the time. Some of them have been talked into that lifestyle by divorced female co-workers; some despise their husbands; and some have a very promiscuous past their hubby doesn’t know anything about- and they miss it. Sometimes men initiate this, but it is very, very rare.

b) the military & the nursing professions are the most promiscuous careers. Way too many divorces, while some people get used to such a life-style. Generally- more educated & mental professions, less promiscuity (ideological progressives excepted).

c) church people are diverse. Lots of born-again virgins who can’t find a husband after a wild past.

d) most people are led by social trends. Be they traditional or liberal “cosmopolitan”. Most people are not individuals, but members of a herd.

e) in the US, everything conspires against paternal authority and men in general, and especially white working men.

f) money is the most important, more important than sex. Love is a rarity.

g) women are fickle – they are more influenced by their social circles, “friends” & trends. Men differ, but it is surprising how many men are still into romantic ways of thinking & idealizing women- perhaps those wounded by life are more vocal.

The best advice: be normal, don’t be afraid of harmless fetishes & don’t even think of “fulfilling your sex fantasies”.

Just what terminal illness would destroy you on the inside but leave you attractive enough for many lovers in the meantime?

Being a heartless bitch. I hear there is no cure.

OT: Vacine incentives

It used to be possible to fire teachers for moral turpitude.

That’s what would have happened had a female teacher bedded a male student old enough for driver’s ed. Today, she’d go to prison.

Things have changed, but sideways.

No one is jealous of her life.

If you can’t be a shining example, then you’ll just have to be a frightening warning.

the vast majority of these “polyamory” cases involve not women, post menopausal or otherwise, cuckolding their men, but rather high status or attractive men pressuring their girlfriends or wives into letting them sleep with other women

Allegedly, Gen. Petraeus had an ‘open marriage’. If true, this way at least, given his line of work, he kept one avenue for blackmail closed.

The combining of military business with pleasure may not be uncommon:

I was an Air Force pilot in the 1980s … I took my girlfriend (eventually she became my wife) to a squadron Christmas party. It seemed very weird, and the interactions between many of the instructors and their wives was unsettling and uncomfortable to be around. After I was sent overseas, I found out that all those officers and their spouses were “wife swapping.”

https://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/1980s-military-life/

I was hoping he’d be the candidate. Maybe he jumps back in if the Democrats put Trump in jail.

But “Work makes you free” is not an inversion – work can make a person independent and autonomous by conferring dignity and self-reliance.

Your point is true as a freestanding concept, but as ChrisZ surmised, I meant in context of slave labor camp.

KIRK: “Computer: I need a file that unironically extols the virtues of hard work, has half-nude Olympia Aryan aesthetics, and imagery reminiscent of 20th-century heavy industry and WWII death camps.”

Well said.

Supporting Zelensky resulted in 250,000 dead Slavic men so far. If the US had refused to give billions in aid to Zelensky we could have orchestrated a peace treaty and saved 250,000 white lives. Without our support the Russians would have annexed what they wanted and the war would have ended in 2022. Americans have wasted billions to keep this war going for two years with no end in sight.

Admittedly the work from home thing was a severe blow. But aren’t most people going back to the office now?

Rarely full time. At best there are hybrid arrangements, with people coming in typically two or three days per week. This usually leads to reductions in the amount of space companies rent, and can easily be enough to push landlords into default.

Stan you’re not going to lose your virginity drinking in front of a TV. You need to drink at dive bars! Make your aunt useful by dragging her with you to be your wingman, assuming you don’t have a bro to do so.

Hidden inside you is a virile stud, and moderate amounts of alcohol and aiming for single-mom BBW to start will bring him out.

This is a slow-motion train wreck as pre-existing leases hit their pre-programmed expiration dates and tenants one by one downsize and grab bargain rents. It will kill some more banks and impose serious losses on insurance companies, pension funds and others who’ve invested in private debt and equity vehicles that invested in office space. It will also allow the younger generations to re-live the fun & exciting 1970s and 1980s type experiences that us older folks had in NYC, SF and other urban hellscape dystopias. Good times!

Many office landlords borrowed heavily against their buildings back when times were flush, and are not in positions to weather anything more than minor reductions in occupancy rates and rents. That’s why hybrid work arrangements aren’t necessarily much better for landlords than full-time WFH. In addition, as I believe much commercial real estate lending has been on a nonrecourse basis, the lenders and investors are going to take hard hits.

Like I said, it’s time to break out the antidepressants.

“ There is a difference between what I did and saw, and what our public intellectuals are now trying to make into something else.”

I am sorry to report that “poly” people are not the result of politicians or the Frankfurt School or Klaus Schwab or Ezra Klein or globohomo, but a real actual organic grassroots thing. At least in California.

Basically polyamory just makes sense for soyboys and fat greenhaired slores, who are thiccc on the ground here.

No, but we seem to think alike. Perhaps we will be allied against the more egotistical frequent commenters on iSteve. You know it’s sort of like putting a sleeping bag back into the carry sack it was in when you bought it. All the pushing and shoving gets most but not all of that bag back into its original container. Eventually you’ll give up and use the sack for something else like towels. For awhile though, you go all OCD trying to fit that sleeping bag into its proper place.

For all of their foibles neither Obama nor Biden have been personally attached to sexual scandal.

That’s because Obama has never been mistaken for a man and all Biden does is sniff women’s hair (real close and like).

Eh, I believe him. I don’t know him, but a couple of elements that make it more credible:

1. Prior connections. The girl in the first case knew the waitress, the woman in the second case knew her husband. In neither case is Buzz trying to claim he’s so studly he can pick off two ladies from the bar in rapid succession and go home with them.

2. Demographics. The girl in the first case was in a sorority apparently notorious for this, and later an escort. The man in the second case was older and likely couldn’t keep up with his wife, and professors used to be known for that sort of thing before the wokies moved in.

BTW, it’s not impossible for nerds to have kinky episodes; it’s fairly common later in life. The big difference is the players involved usually aren’t that cute.

So considering I have a younger fiance these days

I thought you were married with a teenage daughter. Did your wife pass or did you get a divorce?

If Trump gets shot, dies (he is in his late 70s), or jailed, guess what?

Nikki Hailey wins.

We needed DeSantis to beat Nimrata Hailey for this reason. The Deep State has a hanging curveball to hit now.

I would vote RFK over Hailey.

b) the military & the nursing professions are the most promiscuous careers.

Try pilots and flight attendants.

Agreed.

Lift a little, read Roissy, Rollo, and Pook front to back, and start low and go slow. Always wear a rubber, and bring your own. Making sure they come will put you ahead of 75% of guys and severely decrease the risk of FRAs.

The rest is commentary.

Yes. Polyamory is efficient in cases like Silicon Valley and less elevated nerd precincts where there is a shortage of women. Not enough ladies to go around? OK, we’ll share! Higher-T men would fight. Cuter women would demand commitment.

The converse is higher-status men who can avoid extracting commitment.

Plus, I mean, California.

DeSantis tried the “attack Trump from the right” strategy. It failed because the Republican voters are Trump personality cultists. “Trump didn’t accomplish his agenda” doesn’t appeal to them because it’s not about the agenda. They just love Donald Trump. “Trumpism without Trump” is like “monarchism without a King.”

Right now the Trumpist party line is that it was undemocratic for the Colorado Supreme Court to remove Trump from the primary ballot, but that all other candidates should drop out because Trump won one single state and why bother even having the other 49 primaries. Madness.

In the bedroom, I discovered that her husband had very cleanly shaved and depilated her nether regions.

Repulsive! Nothing is finer on a woman than a thick, rich, luxuriant bush, brimming with magnificent concentrated aromas and flavors. Bon apetit!

This post was, believe it or not, too laugh-out-loud funny for the poor LOL button.

How is this arrangement with this man’s “jolly” aunt supposed to work out? Does it involve a “wire”, an earpiece, disguised as a blue-tooth cell phone headphone, which many wear as a kind of fashion accessory?

And “wingman” aunt is going to whisper into her cellphone microphone, “Sonny. That cute babe at the far end of the bar? She keeps looking at you. Ask the bartender to offer her a drink on your tab.”

“Being a heartless bitch. I hear there is no cure.”

Hold on there. If you’re referring to the fact this is a woman who allegedly has a terminal illness and has chosen to use her husband in this way, ok. I’m skeptical about the whole scenario because I think more than a few of these people submit the occasional screenplay. Someone suggested cystic fibrosis but I’m not certain a cf sufferer would feel like engaging in a lot of recreational sex.

Otherwise only the doormat, er husband is getting hurt. I’m thinking made-for-tv movie where the husband or one of his friends helps the terminal illness along by holding a pillow over this sweet dying darling’s face. Maybe not for primetime.

It’s odd saying this because he is younger than both of the major contenders for the office, but in 2024 Bill Clinton would not be able to make it through the screening process in order to run for president.

You mean something has improved since 1992?

Gandhi is coming down one statue at a time, though the Indian government is churning them out faster. The one in Davis, Cal. was done anonymously; maybe it was connected to his Senior Anti-Sex League predation. The one in Ghana paid for his racial views.

Gandhi statue toppled, defaced and removed

‘Racist’ Gandhi statue removed from University of Ghana

Now someone just has to tie a codpiece onto that frightening King statue in DC, or spray “Consent?” or “Accomplice” on it. The holiday may take a little longer.

Agree except for the rubbers part. Stan doesn’t even have a car, he’s not going to get child support pwned.

He’d make a great dad.

Far too many Stevosphere men are hitting middle age childless. Wedlock with a thin virgin is certainly ideal, but IRL requires compromises. Our civilizational enemies are not burdened with sexual compunctions, nor should friends like Stan.

The design of that magazine cover makes it look like the periodical’s name is NEW YORK POLYAMORY

The salient incusion of a black cat (the only solid-colour one!) gives it a further air of accidental parody.

I have 2 daughters. I am divorced.

I may regret this but I did not set the criteria:

a file that unironically extols the virtues of hard work

Or, maybe not. Sorta. It’s muddled:

https://ultimateclassicrock.com/rem-finest-worksong/

Like, TLDR muddled:

http://mikemillsfan.com/dossier-mills/interviews-welcome-to-the-occupation/

Does any other word end in -amory? Not according to https://www.crosswordsolver.org/quicksolve.php . It sounds so fake. (And with a pretentious Greek prefix, no less.)

I did just come across dodecatemory, which is kind of like astrology squared. And even has twelve letters.

As I was walking to St Ives,
I met a man with seven wives.
Each wife had seven sacks.
Each sack held seven tracts.
Each tract had a dozen signs,
Each sign had a dozen lines.
Lines, signs, tracts, sacks, and wives…
How many were going to St Ives?

Given the way aging feminist careergals rage against consensual relationships between older men and younger women, no way they’re going to allow heterosexual men to pork under-18s.

Tacky

Agree. But there’s still the matter of how the frontier closes. In Big Tech’s cases it went very badly.

You meet some interesting people, Buzz. You must have been a very good boy indeed in a past life.

For all of their foibles neither Obama nor Biden have been personally attached to sexual scandal.

They have been; the press simply chooses not to follow up on them.

Biden was accused by a former staffer of sexual assault; she still maintains he did it. That reportedly happened in the 90s, when he was a Senator. And there is Biden’s handsiness with women in public places (like at swearing-in ceremonies), his swimming naked in front of female secret service agents, and his getting so “friendly” with the wife of one of his secret service bodyguards that they guy almost decked Biden. These events happened while he was Vice President. And of course there is his weird and creepy behavior around children (to say nothing of the fact that his daughter wrote in her diary that he showered with her). These things have all been reported by news outlets or, in the case of the public groping and hair-sniffing are a matter of public record and are simply self-evident.

Obama was accused by multiple parties of having been a homosexual (or at least bisexual).

A vaccine so effective for a disease so deadly that people need to be bribed to take it.

The really top dogs did have some harems with many women. The Ottomans were notorious. Their harems included captured European women who were converted to Islam. They had captured men castrated who were attendants.

I don’t know that much about the detailed history. I can’t figure out if every son born to the Sultan was a potential successor or what. From the little I can gather from Wikipedia succession was pretty violent. It involved sons fighting each other or killing all their brothers and half brothers.

In other words there were too many sons because of the size of the harem and life got violent when an old Sultan died. Isn’t Islam a wonderful religion?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_dynasty

Muslim immigrant tears down Christian cross from church in UK. They hate us. pic.twitter.com/dPgaqUPWa3

— RadioGenoa (@RadioGenoa) January 21, 2024

We may be in hell.

The woman who got it was obviously embarrassed.

I saw a video on YouTube about downtown San Francisco. Vacant office space was really common. In some cases there were big defaults on loans by owners of office buildings.

SF has so much tech industry and it’s particularly suited to working from home.

Definitely a problem in downtown SF.

“Still, I can’t see why some folks feel so threatened by other people’s sexual peculiarities. So-called traditionalists don’t understand that the “nuclear family” they idolize (etc etc)”

Boomer wakes up, delivers predictably idiotic take.

What about restaurant employees?

For all of their foibles neither Obama nor Biden have been personally attached to sexual scandal.

I can think of two sex scandals “attached” to President Biden.

The first is a former office clerical type. She accused Biden of sexually assaulting her, including digital penetration.

The second involves First Lady Jill. Her ex-husband claims that her relationship with Joe began before Jill and her ex were separated or divorced.

You know it’s sort of like putting a sleeping bag back into the carry sack it was in when you bought it.

It’s funny that you use this example, because I just saw a video on Twitter demonstrating exactly how this is done…

This is how they actually roll sleeping bags up for storage. pic.twitter.com/gCFeLPh1Gj

— Scrümbled Eggs 🇵🇸 (@scrumble_eggs) January 16, 2024

Turned out the baby was black, I’m guessing.

Men who pick up women in bars (or who try to) are preposterous.

I am sorry to report that “poly” people are not the result of politicians or the Frankfurt School or Klaus Schwab or Ezra Klein or globohomo, but a real actual organic grassroots thing. At least in California.

But what about when it happens in Iowa or Idaho or Pennsylvania? The inclination to be “Poly” may reside naturally in some people. But that doesn’t mean that Globohomo isn’t pushing it. There is no form of degeneracy that Globohomo is NOT encouraging.

Basically polyamory just makes sense for soyboys and fat greenhaired slores, who are thiccc on the ground here.

The fact those people grew up to be soyboys or greenhaired slores* is itself the result of society indulging that behavior – part of that whole “just be yourself and let your freak-flag fly” movement. You be you, love is love, do what thou wilt, yada, yada, yada. But – as we being painfully made aware of – society has rules of behavior for a reason. The reason is so that everything won’t be so sh**ty and ugly and awful all the time.

*BTW, “slores” is a nice coinage. I’m using that. I think of it as an amalgam of “slovenly” and “whore”.

I wish you well in the upcoming marriage.

Thanks.

I would add to your list that present-day fire-able offenses include saying anything reflecting realism about racial differences, including in social media or internet postings. Thus the fear of being doxxed.

Here is an interesting current example:

BCPS investigates recording of ‘disturbing’ remarks allegedly made by Pikesville principal

Evelyn Waugh shared the same given name with his first wife. Must have been odd.

In December 1927, Waugh and Evelyn Gardner became engaged, despite the opposition of Lady Burghclere, who felt that Waugh lacked moral fibre and kept unsuitable company. Among their friends, they quickly became known as “He-Evelyn” and “She-Evelyn”.

“It is actually 100% the responsibility of Zelenskyy to steer the ship that is Ukraine in a manner that is optimal for Ukraine given its context.”

I think he steered it in a manner that was optimal for his bank balance.

Minsk 2 would have been pretty good – Donbass and Luhansk having the kind of self-government that say Scotland has in the UK. But it’s all too late now.

Back on topic

a) I used to know a couple of swingers – but she was from the days before HPV jabs were given to all young women in the UK, and the last I heard she had some cancer which was probably HPV related. She’d certainly stopped copulating with random guys while her chap filmed and sold the videos. Sexually transmitted diseases have to be a much greater danger as there are far more of them about now.

b) as far back as the 1950s couples like Kingsley Amis and his wife Hilly Bardwell had quasi-open relationships, where people would go to parties and leave with someone who wasn’t their spouse. Similarly in the late 60s the ‘bonkbuster’ author Jilly Cooper (very pretty in those days) and hubby indulged. But… the risks of STDs among the middle or upper middle classes were much less. Jilly Cooper actually stayed married, which is more than Kingsley managed.

a simple “Allahu akbar!” at high decibel will generally settle any argument.

As well as quickly clear out a crowded restaurant or club.

Yes, I forgot to name them.

Ann Barnhardt had a similar story from her youth in Leavenworth, KS.

For some reason, she moved it to Henry Makow’s blog:

https://www.henrymakow.com/culture-of-depravity-in-us-military.html

but it’s still in the 11/13/2012 entry of the Wayback Machine:

https://web.archive.org/web/20121127111828/http://www.barnhardt.biz/

She has a lot of military readers, and she says this is common a the flag officer rank.

Wow, that went sideways fast!

Buzz, I feel for you!

Yes, I largely agree.

One key observation I’m adding to the background you laid out is that tenants are not being shy about moving across the street or down the road or across town when downsizing after their leases roll off.

A tenant would rather be in a trophy building with the newest amenities and a fairly high occupancy rate and a good landlord than be in a tired half-empty building where the landlord has handed the keys back to the bank, and the bank then turned the building over to the FDIC when it failed.

So the pain is not going to be spread across each building or landlord equally, but it will be highly lumpy and granular depending on region, location, quality of building and quality of management. That will also shape how the downstream pain is felt – a lot more CA, Chi and NE Corridor regional banks will suffer than TX and Fla regional banks, in my estimation.

Agree.

Don’t forget that some of Obama’s [alleged] homosexual partners ended up dead under suspicious, unsolved, Seth Rich-like circumstances shortly before Obama entered national politics.

So not only have both Obama and Biden been personally attached to sexual scandal, Obama is personally attached to murder scandal as well.

But the press ignore it because Dem.

> “BCPS investigates recording of ‘disturbing’ remarks allegedly made by Pikesville principal” [article on Baltimore Fox 45 website; BCPS = Baltimore County Public Schools]

In that recording, the principal (or his AI simulacrum if you wanna believe the union’s story):

1. Says that black students at his (high-ranked) HS perform poorly on standardized tests.
2. Calls out three low-performing (in his opinion) teachers by name.
3. Says Jewish parents on his side (i.e. liberal) complain too much.

If this was a public statement, #1 would be death-by-Emperor’s-New-Clothes, #2 would be a severe breach of confidentiality, and #3 would be don’t-piss-off-your-friends-with-stereotypes.

But this was a private conversation, apparently with an assistant principal. The principal’s only sin was Noticing.

The actual point of interest — studiously ignored by all legacy media — is “Whoever used a hidden mic to make this recording has it in for this guy — what’s his or her agenda?”

Interesting that, as others have alluded to above, the historical (and quite successful, no population drops there) examples of polyamorous or at least polygamous societies — Islam, Mormons, Hispanic (where any truly macho male has a “little house” for his piece on the side) — are “patriarchal”.

The past is a different country as they say. In the 19th century Christians had higher birthrates than Muslims, and Protestants had higher rates than Catholics. There was much amateur speculation at the time over how the oppression of women in Islam and the celibate priesthood in Catholicism both served to undermine the birthrate in their respective countries.

Great point.

Lem. Stanislav Lem.

Also UNM evolutionary psychology professor Dr Geoffrey Miller is as well. Fascinating guy and his wife ( who initiated the poly) has nice qualities. They should both know better.

If you were going to a party which you knew would end in wife swapping, wouldn’t you tell your wife first? Seems only polite.

Or would you just hope “go along to get along” would prevail?

Buzz’s stories wouldn’t resonate with anyone who attended college after 2000. Kids in school now are cloistered and fearful, and they really can’t fathom how libertine the times were.

I was lucky enough to attend a school with literally hundreds of young Jewish girls looking to live out their carnal fantasies before, as one confided to me after a pleasurable interlude, Mommy and Daddy had their way and you married some guy named Milt who couldn’t get it up. I don’t know how the Jewish guys felt about it, but hey, their time was coming after graduation!

Don’t even get me started about the wonderfulness of working for the school-supported “Campus Safety Escort Service”.

It turns out that what is normal sex between two gay men in a relationship is not the same as what is normal sex between a heterosexual couple, a man and woman, in a relationship.

If you ask a married heterosexual couple if it is okay to have sex outside the relationship, something like 8-10 percent will say that it is permissible.

If you ask a “married” gay couple if it is okay to have sex outside the relationship, about 65% will say that it is okay.

Gay sexuality is not like heterosexual sexuality. Even though the powers that be are trying to make it happen. All that actually IS happening is that they are destroying the Western cultures that depend on married couples.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=WnMiXsRtsfc

Suicidal-ideations auntie isn’t an ideal wingperson, but going to a bar completely alone and picking up a woman is a whole lot harder. All Stan needs to do is sit next to her and chat, and the rest of the bar will assume she’s chill. Then he can plan out his moves, and have someone to retreat to if they fail. And maybe she will have some good advice.

The only good point about polyamory causing elites to consider what marriage means is that it could undermine the basis for gay marriage by putting child-rearing back in the center of marriage. That’s probably what most of those conversations would conclude: sleep around but stay married to your child’s father/mother for facilitating and benefiting children. In that paradigm, there is no rationale for gay marriage.