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Donald Trump appears to have been shot near the right ear at a campaign rally in Pennsylvania. He fairly quickly regained his feet, pumped his fist a few times to his supporters, and was helped to walk off by the Secret Service, with blood visible on the right side of his head. He was taken to a medical facility.
His spokesman says he’s more or less OK, but few details yet.
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He’s really going to win this thing.
His standing up after being shot and walking to the waiting vehicle while gesturing with his fist is golden symbolism.
The photo at the top of this column is likely to become as famous as the one recording the flag raising on Iwo Jima. You’ve got to admit, Trump knows how to exploit a dramatic moment.
His standing up after being shot and walking to the waiting vehicle while gesturing with his fist is golden symbolism.
But they're not smart. Really: they're not. So we'll see.
or ask Bengvir ot Smotrich or son of Netanyahu to join and fill his cabinet.
Worst of the Trump enemies will find brilliance and sagacity in it . Trump crowd will find Bible’s prophecy in it .
Max Boot will remind him to attack Iran .
Applebaum will remind him
to sanction Russia as he has done before and arm Tawain . Netanyhu will send the request of 10 Army divisions under IDF general.Trump’s job description has been received and endorsed by his tram .Hallelujah - so the chorus will be mounted .
If Biden were shot in the diaper, they’d blame Trump. Will anybody blame Biden ?
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If anybody shot Biden in the diaper they’d blame Trump. Will anyone blame Joe?
It almost looks like WWF skit. It’s also funny that it’s being called an “incident” rather than an assassination attempt. It”ll be fun to see what actually happened, and how the media will spin it.
As for spinning, well the shooter was apparently a Republican...
I was working at an event in Central Park when the Pope visited NYC. We could see the snipers preparing on the roofs of buildings surrounding the park hours before the Pope actually drove thru.
At this point the most likely suspect is a contributor to The National Review.
Because demonizing its opponents and exploiting racial division is the only way the Left knows how to win. They don’t mind the consequences of their language. They assassinated Pim Fortuyn in the Netherlands 22 years ago, they shot up a Republican baseball practice, they tried to shoot up the Family Research Council, they tried to kill Brett Kavanaugh. They don’t care.Replies: @J.Ross
Trump probably won the election today.
I’m not a fan, I never was.
I’m probably going with RFK but this gives Trump an edge.
He picks former NYPD commissioner Bernie Kerik as his VP to beef up security now.
Rosey Grier on the Kennedy Assassination
Rosey Grier: The Lineman Who Tried to Save RFK—And Voted for Trump
Instead, Rosey can do the Official Trump Tapestry™ for 2024.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Zj-JNAM79rY&pp=ygUQUm9zZXkgZ3JpZXIgd25ldA%3D%3D
Rosey turns 92 tomorrow. Wish him happy birthday!
Being a U.S. President is actually a pretty hazardous job: four KIAs, at least 4 seriously wounded IIRC, and several clean misses, of the President anyway, so a better than 20% chance of eating some lead. JFK was the only clean kill, and I think the only one shot with a rifle, I believe. So apparently the Secret Service sucks.
At least John Paul II had sense enough to use the popemobile.
4 KIA out of 45 puts the job way ahead of coal miner, police officer, and stunt pilot.Replies: @Mike Tre
The media is complicit. All this talk of Trump destroying democracy, Trump will be the next dictator, Project 2025, and so on – this media-fueled hysteria is to blame. These are not the acts of our traditional, sacred Fourth Estate. These are the result of a despicable, cynical business model which stokes fear and anger to optimize profit. They must be held accountable.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2024/05/trump-biden-assassination-fbi/678476/Replies: @bomag
Our very own Steve with his small audience toes most of the party lines, including the dumbest ones about Covid or the Ukraine proxy war, imagine how much worse the pressure is on the TV hosts with their middling audiences or Rogan or Carlson with their massive online video audiences.
Probably not a pro or he would be dead. Could have been a nut like that guy who shot several Republican members of Congress at a softball practice some 7-8 years ago, including Rep. Steve Scalise. It’s a funny thing the MSM never notice the relationship between Democratic unhinged and overheated rhetoric and incidents like this. It’s only Republicans who “pounce” and “spew” “divisive” rhetoric.
That could be an easy head-shot, but it would take skill and a pricey AR.
A mid-range bolt action rifle would be more accurate. You get fewer shots before the secret service kills you, but you'd be more accurate.
That said, the Secret Service dropped the ball if someone was able to gain roof access that close to the event.Replies: @Hunsdon, @John Johnson
Fuck I steve
Hail Trump. Hail victory.
A 78 year old man gets shot and what does he do? Stands up and starts pumping his fist.
A bit premature but definitely I can see his point.Replies: @John Johnson
I just wish Trump was as serious, clear-thinking and diligent in both articulating the core issue of America belonging to Americans and "our posterity" and delivering on that in office.Replies: @Corpse Tooth, @John Johnson, @Harry Baldwin, @AnotherDad, @Rick P
Say what you like about Trump, but he's a man. And we can't spare him, he fights.Replies: @Sulu
With you always.
Wow, that’s a hell of a campaign photo. Brave man.
How can this possibly be reported as “Shots fired at a rally” It was a %^&%^&*% assassination attempt.
I am glad he is ok.
He showed some balls by pumping his fist.
Most politicians would cover and run.
The Left will automatically claim that this was staged to garner support for Trump before the Republican Convention.
Stupid CNN headline : “Trump Injured” as though he slipped and fell or something.
This was an inch or two away from being a fatal headshot. The closest to a real assassination attempt since 1981 (where John Hinckley Jr. managed to get bullets into 4 people, including the POTUS, only for none of them to die. 4 injuries and no deaths, under Sailer’s Law of Mass Shootings, makes Hinckley a ‘wigger’.).
Alas, even this can’t overcome vote fraud*, so Biden will still win given that Trump has to get 56% of the vote in each swing state to secure the EVs of that state.
*since vote fraud happened in 2020, conservatives have a need to ‘conserve’ it and no longer have a problem with Democrat vote fraud. Remember, conservatism is about ‘conserving’ the status quo, including vote fraud that favors Democrats.
Curious how your buddy Will Stancil is reacting. Probably disappointed the [presumably left-wing] shooter sucks at aiming.
https://www.lawofficer.com/dfl-house-candidate-wonders-if-biden-could-just-drone-strike-trump-and-end-this/
When you strike at a king, you must kill him.
~Ralph Waldo Emerson
“Trump shot in the head”. Let’s wait a few hours until all the facts are out. Currently the facts are 1) a sound was heard like gunshots (probably was gunshots, based on law enforcement response). 2) Blood was seen on Trump. But was it from the shots, or was it from when the Secret Service tackled him to the ground, where he could have lacerated his head? Let’s wait to find out.
We live in sick times.
He will have to pick a bulldog now as VP, it has to be Bernie Kerik.
Has to be Kerik.
Really bad shooting unless he was going for the head with a pistol, in which case it’s just bad shooting; another lost soul who can’t bear his irrelevance.
Trump reacted like a man. I can imagine Biden’s reaction too well. He’d still be standing there when the SS ran him over.
OK the facts are out: they’re reporting he was grazed by the shot. Wow, he is lucky. 2 inches to the right and it’s all over.
Desperate Deep State
A 78 year old man gets shot and what does he do? Stands up and starts pumping his fist.
https://imgur.com/a/iOYMeQIReplies: @Frau Katze, @AnotherDad, @Jehu
Rod Dreher is saying that this just got Trump elected.
A bit premature but definitely I can see his point.
We don't know if he will qualify and who he will be running against.
But this makes it more likely that Biden will step down.
Probably the best news in all this.Replies: @BB753, @Rick P, @Corn
Paging Ron Unz.
So is this deep state trying to eliminate an enemy and encountering the competency crisis, is this the deep state all but guaranteeing a Trump victory because they have finally had enough of Biden, or is this an antifa loner who has been known to police for years but permitted to riot for years because that was actual local government policy and it shouldn’t have taken this to show why that can never be policy?
A few minutes ago I was watching the coverage on CBS and one of the reporters (Margaret Brennan) took note of the fact that Trump’s campaign manager had just released a statement saying (paraphrasing) “They tried to keep him on the ballot, they tried to put him in jail, and now they’ve tried to kill him.”
Brennan started tut-tutting, sniffing, “Such inflammatory and divisive language! Well, I never!”
And I immediately recalled that just the other day, *Dr.* Jill Biden said flatly that “Trump is evil” – about as inflammatory and divisive a statement as one can make:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/aOtgGFVaMtE
Did Margaret Brennan rush to the airwaves to condemn Dr. Jill’s inflammatory and divisive language against her husband’s main political opponent? Somehow I doubt it.
Thank God Trump survived the attack. If the shot had been just an inch closer to the target he might very well have ended up as another RFK Sr.
Signed,
Not a Trump SupporterReplies: @Stan Adams, @Almost Missouri
Search engine censorship took about fifteen minutes, media downplay twenty. USA today says trump startled by loud noise, e.g.
Have to go to yandex to have a chance to see video of the (presumable) shooter being dragged off by cops, pretty limp and probably dead.
The information war is real, and we are losing.
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/07/13/donald-trump-removed-from-stage-in-milwaukee-rally-cause-unknown/74395889007/
Their Twitter feed suggests that it took USA Today 3 hours to relay other sources that reported an "assassination attempt" (CNN, AP, Biden), and 4 hours to report the facts themselves.
Perhaps they were being over-cautious because they did not have a reporter at the scene. However, it does give the appearance of deliberate downplay.
A 78 year old man gets shot and what does he do? Stands up and starts pumping his fist.
https://imgur.com/a/iOYMeQIReplies: @Frau Katze, @AnotherDad, @Jehu
Best guess: Trump gets shot because we–sadly–have allowed our nation to be taken by parasitic “elites” with zero loyalty–and often contempt–for the American people, and they have ginned up intense “threat to ‘Our Democracy’” hysteric hatred for Trump’s mild–very mild–nationalist push back.
I just wish Trump was as serious, clear-thinking and diligent in both articulating the core issue of America belonging to Americans and “our posterity” and delivering on that in office.
Yeah, we all wish that, but what's the point? We wish Jesus would come back too, but we have to make do with reality.
-- "the Democrat's summer of riot in 2020"
-- "the Democrat's Antifa goon squads that harass and attack conservative rallies and speakers"
-- "shouting down or banning of conservative speakers on campus who says something they don't like or hurts their feelings"
-- "banning and censoring conservative speech on social media platforms, and labelling 'misinformation' things they don't like, like Hunter Biden's laptop showing corrupt Joe Biden peddling American influence for cash or the virus leaking from the Wuhan lab, due to research funding by Fauci using Americans' tax dollars.
Tie it all up in a bow about these parasites trying to stifle dissent from any American who wants to preserve his nation and dares to push back.Replies: @bomag, @AnotherDad
Good grief he got grazed in the ear. He is the luckiest man alive.
Gun experts– could that shot have been done by a handgun? Or would a long rifle be needed?
How the hell did they get the weapon thru the metal detectors?
That pix with his ear buzzed, blood streaking his face, fist raised in defiance. Me olde mam loves Trump and believes his survival is providential. Who am I to argue. One thing is certain as we move forward: the regime has to be destroyed.
Let’s wait and see how photogenic the slain bystander was.
I just wish Trump was as serious, clear-thinking and diligent in both articulating the core issue of America belonging to Americans and "our posterity" and delivering on that in office.Replies: @Corpse Tooth, @John Johnson, @Harry Baldwin, @AnotherDad, @Rick P
I just wish Trump was a lot of things, AD. Establishment conservatives are limp and delusional. The man and his movement are the only opposition to the regime.
30-40 shots fired? Two people hit, one barely and one dead.
I think we know that demographic.
I think we know that demographic.
Thank God the shooter was inexperienced.
Was not a long shot and Trump stood for a few seconds after being grazed.
Amazing that only one person in the crowd was killed. Well that is the report as of now.
Security FAIL report on the way.Replies: @Sean
Looks like a major security failure by the Secret Service. Nearby rooftops, there are only a few buildings nearby, were not secured. People need to be fired. Or worse.
Outrageous.
The dead shooter’s body was on social media while CNN was still saying that “Trump fell” at the rally.
https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/1812267952961699975
I hope it's a failure, but the Secret Service is part of the executive branch.Replies: @BB753
Another thing that doesn’t sit right with me is all the fat women secret service agents running around without a clue, more concerned about putting on their sun glasses to look cool. We don’t need DEI hires protecting the former President!
-RoosterReplies: @dearieme
https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/1812302268080730562
A bit premature but definitely I can see his point.Replies: @John Johnson
Completely premature.
We don’t know if he will qualify and who he will be running against.
But this makes it more likely that Biden will step down.
Probably the best news in all this.
Yeah, Neo-Cons will try again to shoot him.
The shot blew off the top of his right ear. A near miss. The shooter is dead. So is a person attending the meeting. I believe that the secret service was very slow in reacting because the shot that hit Trump was not the first one.
https://twitter.com/hodgetwins/status/1812250157842378931Replies: @BB753
Or did he just fall down? Or maybe it was loud noises?
Democracy doesn’t die in the darkness. Democracy dies in the media spotlight.
Bizarre that such a thing could actually happen without the existence of a formal censorship bureau but it has happened-21st century western media is not only beyond contempt but one wonders if they are able to describe an assassination attempt with fatal casualties in such a way what else they manipulate.Replies: @Stan Adams
https://babylonbee.com/news/cnn-clumsy-trump-hits-head-on-bullet
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https://babylonbee.com/news/trump-indicted-for-inciting-assassination-attempt
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https://media.babylonbee.com/articles/article-66940b37cbd1a.jpgReplies: @mc23
Maybe Biden took the leftist interpretation of the SCOTUS ruling on presidential immunity literally?
On his next show, will Stephen Colbert strike up James Brown’s “I Feel Good” and dance a little jig, as he did after Trump’s farcical lawfare conviction? Seriously, assuming this isn’t an op, it is the result of rapid partisans like Colbert relentlessly proclaiming “Trump is Hitler” hysteria with no concern for the consequences.
I just wish Trump was as serious, clear-thinking and diligent in both articulating the core issue of America belonging to Americans and "our posterity" and delivering on that in office.Replies: @Corpse Tooth, @John Johnson, @Harry Baldwin, @AnotherDad, @Rick P
Too early to make such comments.
This country is filled with lunatics. Could be someone trying to get famous.
Could be someone just plain crazy. Hinckley was trying to impress Jodie Foster and had no interest in politics.
Most likely an anti-Trumper but this could go a lot of ways.
And now some crazy has taken them up on it.
Sean Davis is reporting A source familiar with Trump’s security detail tells @FDRLST that the former and future president’s detail has been asking for beefed up protection and resources for weeks, but has been rebuffed time and again by Biden’s DHS.
DHS, which oversees Secret Service…
Biden has refused Secret Service for RFK Jr.
I just wish Trump was as serious, clear-thinking and diligent in both articulating the core issue of America belonging to Americans and "our posterity" and delivering on that in office.Replies: @Corpse Tooth, @John Johnson, @Harry Baldwin, @AnotherDad, @Rick P
I just wish Trump was as serious, clear-thinking and diligent in both articulating the core issue of America belonging to Americans and “our posterity” and delivering on that in office.
Yeah, we all wish that, but what’s the point? We wish Jesus would come back too, but we have to make do with reality.
T shirt sales right there for sure. No matter the opinion, one tough hombre.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GSZ6D5jXQAAmGSP?format=jpg&name=largeReplies: @Trinity, @Gandydancer
Some commenters (a few) on the leftist site Daily Kos are saying it was staged. Others are saying it’s not.
Biden rapidly proceeding into Stage 5 dementia, congresscritters weeping in fear with bags on their heads at the Jan 6 protest
vs.
Trump gets shot by a rifle, stands up, blood on his face, pumps his fist, and yells, "Fight, fight, fight!"
What a time to be alive.Replies: @Frau Katze, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Almost Missouri
We don't know if he will qualify and who he will be running against.
But this makes it more likely that Biden will step down.
Probably the best news in all this.Replies: @BB753, @Rick P, @Corn
“Completely premature.”
Yeah, Neo-Cons will try again to shoot him.
https://twitter.com/SharpFootball/status/1812265909727396107
Outrageous.
https://twitter.com/OAlexanderDK/status/1812269821914169514
The dead shooter's body was on social media while CNN was still saying that "Trump fell" at the rally.
https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/1812267952961699975Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @Anon, @danand, @clifford brown, @James N. Kennett
Looks like a major security failure by the Secret Service.
I hope it’s a failure, but the Secret Service is part of the executive branch.
https://youtu.be/f6-z0PqTKeU?si=MszJEnyXzZetoZYv
I think Trump just won all the undecided voters.
He was shot in the ear. There is no doubt from his reaction and the injury.
There are conflicting reports about the identity of the shooter. The NY Post is saying the shooter was a Chinese man.
FOAD back to HuffPo.
Democracy doesn't die in the darkness. Democracy dies in the media spotlight.
https://twitter.com/austin_rief/status/1812259887940096276
https://twitter.com/alexkehr/status/1812272157671686234Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @Mike Conrad, @TWS, @notbe mk 2, @Almost Missouri
Reminder: we don’t hate the MSM enough.
https://twitter.com/white_house_eth/status/1812265788918870211
I just wish Trump was as serious, clear-thinking and diligent in both articulating the core issue of America belonging to Americans and "our posterity" and delivering on that in office.Replies: @Corpse Tooth, @John Johnson, @Harry Baldwin, @AnotherDad, @Rick P
Trump should tie this to
— “the Democrat’s summer of riot in 2020”
— “the Democrat’s Antifa goon squads that harass and attack conservative rallies and speakers”
— “shouting down or banning of conservative speakers on campus who says something they don’t like or hurts their feelings”
— “banning and censoring conservative speech on social media platforms, and labelling ‘misinformation’ things they don’t like, like Hunter Biden’s laptop showing corrupt Joe Biden peddling American influence for cash or the virus leaking from the Wuhan lab, due to research funding by Fauci using Americans’ tax dollars.
Tie it all up in a bow about these parasites trying to stifle dissent from any American who wants to preserve his nation and dares to push back.
I hope Trump reaches out to and takes care of the family of the guy who was killed. And visits the injured.
Make sure to talk about the dead guy as a patriot, and this being an attack on all of us American patriots--not just talk about Donald J. Trump.
Sad to say but this is a great opportunity for Trump to take the ego thing straight on and show it's not just about Trump, but about Americans.Replies: @OilcanFloyd
Thank God Trump wasn’t killed. That would have had no upside for anyone.
Could also be interpreted as giving an F-U to the shooter.
Day-um that does take some cajones, major major amount of cajones.
Incredible.
I think we know that demographic.Replies: @John Johnson, @Dragoslav
30-40 shots fired? Two people hit, one barely and one dead.
I think we know that demographic.
Thank God the shooter was inexperienced.
Was not a long shot and Trump stood for a few seconds after being grazed.
Amazing that only one person in the crowd was killed. Well that is the report as of now.
Security FAIL report on the way.
Brennan started tut-tutting, sniffing, "Such inflammatory and divisive language! Well, I never!"
And I immediately recalled that just the other day, *Dr.* Jill Biden said flatly that "Trump is evil" - about as inflammatory and divisive a statement as one can make:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/aOtgGFVaMtE
Did Margaret Brennan rush to the airwaves to condemn Dr. Jill's inflammatory and divisive language against her husband's main political opponent? Somehow I doubt it.
Thank God Trump survived the attack. If the shot had been just an inch closer to the target he might very well have ended up as another RFK Sr.Replies: @MGB, @Bill Jones
Years of irrational vitriol, claiming he is the agent of a foreign country, that he’ll stage a coup to remain in office, and on. I don’t know how many times I heard otherwise apparently sane people wish he’d be assassinated. Yeah, Margaret, go fuck yourself.
Signed,
Not a Trump Supporter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaIR4yV9IDg#t=1h22m44s
https://twitter.com/JDVance1/status/1812273864984178958Replies: @MGB
True. But the people on the left have been calling for Trump’s death for 8 years now, from Cathy Griffin (sp?) holding up his bloody severed head to respected black linguist John McWhorter saying in May twice that Trump should be shot.
And now some crazy has taken them up on it.
Sean Davis is reporting A source familiar with Trump’s security detail tells @FDRLST that the former and future president’s detail has been asking for beefed up protection and resources for weeks, but has been rebuffed time and again by Biden’s DHS.
DHS, which oversees Secret Service…
Biden has refused Secret Service for RFK Jr.
LOL. I’m not surprised. That photo is iconic. Lee Atwater with $5 million to spend couldn’t have done better.
Biden rapidly proceeding into Stage 5 dementia, congresscritters weeping in fear with bags on their heads at the Jan 6 protest
vs.
Trump gets shot by a rifle, stands up, blood on his face, pumps his fist, and yells, “Fight, fight, fight!”
What a time to be alive.
NYT reports:https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/07/13/us/biden-trump-electionReplies: @The Anti-Gnostic
Trump and Teddy Roosevelt.
I think we know that demographic.Replies: @John Johnson, @Dragoslav
I saw pics of the dead shooter.Seems it was a white man. Some weirdo dressed like an antifa.
If you have money you should bet on Trump.
So far he hasn’t really wanted to win. Now he may want to. And if he DOES want to win then he WILL.
Side Note: Listen to the Secret Sevice. It turns out that Trump DOES wear a wig after all. (Unless they said “ear”??)
https://youtube.com/shorts/xA2zybNLURw?feature=shared
Honestly, the Never Trump crowd is the absolute worst.
Those fake neocons only saw White Americans as canon fodder for their various wars. Beyond that they hate our guts.
A 78 year old man gets shot and what does he do? Stands up and starts pumping his fist.
https://imgur.com/a/iOYMeQIReplies: @Frau Katze, @AnotherDad, @Jehu
This is like Teddy Roosevelt getting shot during a speech he was giving, and roaring ‘It’ll take more than that to kill a bull moose’, and completing his speech.
Say what you like about Trump, but he’s a man. And we can’t spare him, he fights.
Biden rapidly proceeding into Stage 5 dementia, congresscritters weeping in fear with bags on their heads at the Jan 6 protest
vs.
Trump gets shot by a rifle, stands up, blood on his face, pumps his fist, and yells, "Fight, fight, fight!"
What a time to be alive.Replies: @Frau Katze, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Almost Missouri
Agree.
NYT reports:
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/07/13/us/biden-trump-election
Yeah, it could go a lot of ways.
I suppose it was a long time in coming. It’s a dangerous game and I think most would-be assassins are deterred partly based upon electoral calculus (eg, “If I shoot JFK we might just get somebody far worse.”) But then you have the occasional crazy person, or the occasional deliberate conspiracy.
Looks to me like the shooter shot his 8-of-9 rounds and then put the last one in his head.
Liberals are upset that the election is now in the bag. Conservatives are upset because the copycats might come out now (Squeaky Fromme is still walking the earth for some reason).
I like to imagine that Biden will make a final appearance and announce that he is indeed demented and incontinent and that he welcomes Trump’s four years of vengeance upon those who have been harming America and world peace and (as it turns out) Mr. Biden himself. My imaginations never come off.
CapitolKeystone Cop SERGEANT demonstrably incapable of following trigger safety or self-defense protocols or even keeping track of his gun when he went to the bathroom shot Ashli Babbitt, so we already knew that the rot was running pretty deep, but this is beyond that.The shooter was an AR-15. It was a lone nut AR-15 with right wing extremist political views. It is not clear how the AR-15 was able to purchase a person to pull its trigger. Secret Service took out the AR-15. Clearly we must outlaw all AR-15s.
https://twitter.com/SharpFootball/status/1812265909727396107
Outrageous.
https://twitter.com/OAlexanderDK/status/1812269821914169514
The dead shooter's body was on social media while CNN was still saying that "Trump fell" at the rally.
https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/1812267952961699975Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @Anon, @danand, @clifford brown, @James N. Kennett
People pointing and screaming to police and secret service about a guy crawling up on a roof with a gun… and nothing is done about it. This has three-letter agency fingerprints all over it. At a small venue, and the secret service doesn’t even have the highest vantage point covered?!
Another thing that doesn’t sit right with me is all the fat women secret service agents running around without a clue, more concerned about putting on their sun glasses to look cool. We don’t need DEI hires protecting the former President!
-Rooster
So what on earth was the Secret Service thinking of?
This is another great (cropped from original) photo:
https://compote.slate.com/images/07a6bf38-f602-46ca-97a7-3911882be8f7.jpegReplies: @anonymous, @Belle Pepper, @Currahee
NOTE TO INSIDERS: Don't waste it. But you probably will.Replies: @Mike Tre
Steve Sailer’s law seems to be holding up well. Seems to be more dead then wounded. Hopefully no one else was hurt.
-- "the Democrat's summer of riot in 2020"
-- "the Democrat's Antifa goon squads that harass and attack conservative rallies and speakers"
-- "shouting down or banning of conservative speakers on campus who says something they don't like or hurts their feelings"
-- "banning and censoring conservative speech on social media platforms, and labelling 'misinformation' things they don't like, like Hunter Biden's laptop showing corrupt Joe Biden peddling American influence for cash or the virus leaking from the Wuhan lab, due to research funding by Fauci using Americans' tax dollars.
Tie it all up in a bow about these parasites trying to stifle dissent from any American who wants to preserve his nation and dares to push back.Replies: @bomag, @AnotherDad
Add in the attacks by the Democrat/left influenced court with ginned up harassment cases.
Fucking Calvinists. Israel is sure as shit out of the news, which should please the Men of Unz. Huzzah!
Biden said just a few days ago that they needed to put a bulls-eye on Trump and also denied requests for more security for weeks.
Gun experts-- could that shot have been done by a handgun? Or would a long rifle be needed?
How the hell did they get the weapon thru the metal detectors?Replies: @Belle Pepper, @Jack D
The FBI always supplies the weapon to their chosen patsy. Killing the patsy after the shooting keeps it from talking. Secret Service, somewhat like with JFK’s snipers, allowed the shooters to be there with guns? Co-operative Feds?
I just wish Trump was as serious, clear-thinking and diligent in both articulating the core issue of America belonging to Americans and "our posterity" and delivering on that in office.Replies: @Corpse Tooth, @John Johnson, @Harry Baldwin, @AnotherDad, @Rick P
This basically assures I’m voting for Trump, but it’s now going to be about holding him accountable to really do what he says he will.
We don't know if he will qualify and who he will be running against.
But this makes it more likely that Biden will step down.
Probably the best news in all this.Replies: @BB753, @Rick P, @Corn
Biden stepping down isn’t good news because other candidates may have a better chance to win the election.
It's good news for those of us that would like new candidates.
The majority of Americans.Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Gandydancer
https://twitter.com/SharpFootball/status/1812265909727396107
Outrageous.
https://twitter.com/OAlexanderDK/status/1812269821914169514
The dead shooter's body was on social media while CNN was still saying that "Trump fell" at the rally.
https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/1812267952961699975Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @Anon, @danand, @clifford brown, @James N. Kennett
Clifford, the red headed interviewee/witness in your post goes as far as to suggest the protection service willfully ignored he as his friends attempts to let them know there was man on the roof with a rifle! Bet that video won’t be up long…
A woman who had been in the front row told her interviewing reporter the she and her group jumped up when the shots rang out to protect Trump. The woman seemed to be sincere when she said they would do anything to protect Trump.
well, here’s what actually happened. Crisis of Competence from Secret Service. in a related comment, way too many female agents on site for my liking.
this will be the end of outdoor rallies for Trump. note that when people got to the President the last couple times, it was outdoors. Trump. Reagan. Kennedy.
as the yinzer on this site, i’m permanently embarrassed. Pittsburgh is now the place where somebody tried to kill a President.
Anybody remember the Secret Service scandals in the late Obama years? DEI was pushed at the SS in part, as a reaction to those.
https://lippincott.substack.com/p/the-secret-service-is-a-clown-organization
I think we know that demographic.
Thank God the shooter was inexperienced.
Was not a long shot and Trump stood for a few seconds after being grazed.
Amazing that only one person in the crowd was killed. Well that is the report as of now.
Security FAIL report on the way.Replies: @Sean
The guy was crawling with a rifle across the roof of a low building and was clearly visible so he had no time to compose himself, and had to start shooting instantly he was in position. Oswald was shooting from inside a building he was familiar with and shooting at the backs of the motorcade, which slowed down almost to a halt after the firing started. This would be assassin was shooting right into the faces of the Secret Service and anticipating being hit with return fire seconds after he started. One inch from a kill under those circumstances is really quite good. He could have did it if he had taken more time to be accurate with a follow up shot but he preferred to shoot fast and was all over the place.
https://youtu.be/liusEeP1QcE?si=KqspXscV44Txh5Hw
You don’t blame the dummy for what he “says”.
ER surgeon on site tried to save one of the bystanders shot in the head
https://www.stevesailer.net/p/how-long-until-the-frontlash-against
Nobody on the left or the MSM, but I repeat myself, had a problem with this in 2017.
I was not real surprised by this shooting. The left has been talking about killing Trump for years.
We are simply separate nations.
There are some of us--"Americans"--who are happy living our productive normie lives with our traditional normie norms in our communities and our nation--without apology. We know that individuals and ethnic groups and races differ and that's ok. And we know the two sexes differ in their respective strengths and interests and that's ok. And we wish to build and enjoy our families and leave our communities and nations to them.
Then there are the "Rainbows" ... the minoritarian whiners, the immigrationist loons, the rainbow fag people, all the "ism" "victims" ...
I sure as hell don't need them--all they produce is nonsense, lies and destruction. And they claim they don't need us.
Let's just go our separate ways.Replies: @Santoculto
Not good news.
Difficult to comment until we know who the attempted assassin was.
My guess, probably some person with a history of mental illness. Perhaps a deranged veteran, or a person with a history of drug and alcohol issues.
Was he a left winger, a right winger, or an attention seeker?
We don’t know his name yet, but it will go down in history.
This seems like suicide by cop. The gunman doesn't seem to have had any plan to make a getaway.
A Russian or a Ukrainian, or a Palestinian, or an Israelite?
Is there any kind of religion where devotees are known to commit suicide for a cause?
A paid assassin? Not very likely.
Someone whose family has been deported, or is himself awaiting deportation?
Nope, looks like a common or garden nutcase to me.Replies: @John Johnson, @Colin Wright, @Reg Cæsar
Yeah, Deep State definitely was backing him and now this psyop confirms what I had suspected.
Service Secret stood down and then killed the Antifa patsy.
I blame hate groups such as Antifa, the SPLC, and the ADL.
That video was on BBC TV News. I doubt if it is going anywhere. You can see it now if you have the means to tune into the BBC iPlayer.
Guardian is reporting someone on the podium with him was killed, the Lord of War telegram is reporting his jacket was hit, Trump apparently was wearing a bullet proof vest.
Also that attention had been drawn to a man climbing a roof, Secret Service people didn’t act.
Henry Gibson: This is not Dallas! This is Nashville! THEY CAN’T DO THIS TO US IN NASHVILLE!!
Difficult to comment until we know who the attempted assassin was.
My guess, probably some person with a history of mental illness. Perhaps a deranged veteran, or a person with a history of drug and alcohol issues.
Was he a left winger, a right winger, or an attention seeker?
We don't know his name yet, but it will go down in history.Replies: @Jefferson Temple, @Jonathan Mason, @Reg Cæsar
Most likely they will try to spin the shooter as a white supremacist terrorist, don’t you think? Someone with a deluded grudge against Trump?
On the Sunday morning talk shows they will be saying that the gun did this.
I will be surprised if there is a fully transparent investigation – – all evidence of every kind promptly released.
Trump should be fine emotionally. That was certainly the conclusion to draw from his behavior today. Also, during his presidential term, and after that, he endured so many vicious attacks without buckling emotionally that he clearly has an amazing strength to brush-off attacks. But I can’t be 100% sure because it is difficult to extrapolate from the prior attacks to coming within a few inches of having your face blow off.
And what about the other one killed ? Was that person killed by the backfire ?
Wars are fought by men barely in their twenties. The would be assassin was a mere 20 years old and slim, hence with the l agility to quickly get on that roof after it had been checked and after Trump started speaking, he prolly expected to be spotted but though they were looking for him he using the slope for concealment until he had a line of sight on the Donald, whereupon Crooks had mere seconds as his head was skylined on the apex.
He was fearless because he must have known he'd be killed seconds after opening fire from such an exposed position. That gave him an edge over the security professionals who for all their training and equipment were ponderous and thinking of someone pre placed and firing from inside a building (and hence with a exit plan). Crooks was all different, in there like a rat up a drainpipe and did it knowing he was going to die.Replies: @J.Ross, @John Johnson, @Jack D, @Anon
I believe from diagrams I've seen that the death was from a really wild shot by Crooks into the crowd far in front of the podium, though people in the stands behind Trump were also hit.
I’m reminded of the late, great Donald Sutherland in JFK, telling Costner that the Secret Service never would have allowed open windows along the motorcade route, etc. Something kind of smells already based on the video of the guy who tried to draw the cops attention to the rooftop rifleman.
However, according to eye-witnesses interviewed by the BBC, he and other people saw the assassin climb up on to the roof of the nearby factory with a rifle and were calling out to the police and pointing to the guy.
*FOX is so lame. They've been showing the same clip for the last eight hours, while Zerohedge has already linked to videos of eye-witness interviews, a picture of the suspected perp dead, and a picture that actually shows the wake of a bullet whizzing past Trump's head.
https://twitter.com/HarazGhanbari/status/1812280749745410196
Zerohedge is reporting the name of the would-be assassin:
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/trump-bleeding-rushed-stage-after-shots-fired-pennsylvania-rallyReplies: @Jefferson Temple, @Anonymous
I can see the him saying: “They tried to kill me, but they can’t kill us all!”
Has to be Kerik.Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @duncsbaby
Nah. The dark horse tri-state-area choice would be Darcy Licorish :
https://www.google.com/search?q=darcy+licorish
Trump went to ground on his own. The agents covered Trump after he took shelter. I think his reaction is impressive.
gigging?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blading_(professional_wrestling)
or is trump’s head made of kevlar?
steve: i predict the shooter will be identified as a protestant.
the shooter killed one guy. almost killed another. and all he did was make a QUADRUPEL bank shot that went through trump’s (external) ear.
My guess is one of those female Secret Service agents probably shot Trump in the ear when she freaked and unholstered her gun when the gunfire started and she moved toward him to get him on the ground.
The phrase to be avoided by Biden and his mainstream media as of right now: “Assassination attempt.”
They’re calling it an “injury” and “incident” and (at worst) a “shooting.”
NYT reports:https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/07/13/us/biden-trump-electionReplies: @The Anti-Gnostic
Unbelievable. Soviet-tier stuff. There is still not a breaking news banner on my MS homepage. Recall the NYT has won two Pulitzers in its history for complete fabrications.
The New Yorker has a short piece on the incredible photo.
https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/the-attempt-on-donald-trumps-life-and-an-image-that-will-last
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Oh, oh, oh. Trump lied that he was hit by a bullet, but actually he was hit by a fragment of glass from the teleprompter. Oh, oh, oh.
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He was looking one way and then just happened to turn his head as the bullet flew. Had he not randomly turned his head right at that moment, he would have suffered more than a damaged ear.
Patriots in control.
Awoo.
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When you get your mail-in ballot, don't fill it out, save it, spoil it, bring it with you to the polling place, show it to the poll workers as you get your real ballot.
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This is the anniversary of the Third Secret of Fatima (latter-day persecution of Christians).
It was Corvinus!!
https://twitter.com/DefiantLs/status/1809286118871007650
2024 is getting to be like 2016, when seemingly every event had a dual Trump/iSteve angle.Replies: @Pixo
This Atlantic article in particular didn’t age well:
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2024/05/trump-biden-assassination-fbi/678476/
Juliette Kayyem... Lecturer... at Harvard's Kennedy School of Government... She has spent over twenty years managing... government responses to major crises in both state and federal government. She is a regular contributor to the Atlantic magazine, and a commentator on CNN.
So deep in the leftist ecosystem that there is no hope for a normal life.
Yeah. From what I’ve read, he used an AR style rifle from 200-300 yards from a roof outside the event.
That could be an easy head-shot, but it would take skill and a pricey AR.
A mid-range bolt action rifle would be more accurate. You get fewer shots before the secret service kills you, but you’d be more accurate.
That said, the Secret Service dropped the ball if someone was able to gain roof access that close to the event.
https://nypost.com/2024/07/13/us-news/sniper-shot-at-former-president-donald-trump-from-130-yards-away-on-roof-of-manufacturing-plant/A mid-range bolt action rifle would be more accurate. You get fewer shots before the secret service kills you, but you’d be more accurate.That's only true for much longer ranges. The accuracy of ARs has really improved and I'm not talking the expensive ones. This shot would be no problem with an off the shelf $500 AR.I watched a gun nut claim that you can't shoot past 100 with a cheap Anderson type rifle and then someone proceeded to do it.
no. “quadrupel” is spelled correctly. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quadrupel
another reason steve can’t be trusted: he doesn’t drink.
or he thinks budweiser is beer.
sad.
Have the authorities found the shooter’s Palestinian passport at the scene yet?
The guy was crawling with a rifle across the roof of a low building and was clearly visible so he had no time to compose himself, and had to start shooting instantly he was in position.
He was only 133 yards away.
I could crawl and hit a balloon size target every single time with an AR-15 at that range.
I wouldn’t need a scope. I would do it with irons.
It’s not some major feat. I can hit a man sized target at 100 yards by holding an AR and hip firing. 100 yards is where shooters commonly sight in. Another 33 is nothing.
For the record I don’t know the rifle but given the rapid shots it was most likely an AR.
This was most likely an amateur. Sure he could miss the first shot but there is no excuse for the follow ups with that size of target. He sucks. Probably some loser. Thank God only one person was killed. That could have been a lot worse.
Oswald was shooting from inside a building he was familiar with and shooting at the backs of the motorcade
Oswald’s angle was difficult and he had moving target.
A simulation was made of the shooting and in a study even most experienced shooters were not able to do it on their first try.
Anyhoo, it would be nice if the Left's political rhetoric could stay inside the Overton frame. The US contains at least 330M people, a number of whom are ready, willing and able to go over the edge when the Left says things like Trump is #LiterallyHitler, Vlad the Bad has Trump in his back pocket, MAGAts are killing meemaw because they won't get vaccinated, the Earth's temperature goes up .25⁰ every time a Southerner cranks his pickup truck, Rand Paul needs to be ambushed by his liberal neighbor and have his ribs broken, etc. You're not helping, friendo.Replies: @John Johnson
shooter was about 120 yards away, probably not an experienced rifleman. people tailgating outside the rally watched him for 2 minutes getting into position and were trying to get the attention of the police and SS.
Secret Service Director is a woman. previous job, head of security for Pepsi.
i mean, you do have to cut them some slack. they are jumpy from Joe Biden’s dog biting them all day every day.
at least .300 Win Mag had the usual effect on the target’s head.
Via Sonar21:
https://sonar21.com/trump-assassinated-but-alive/
Difficult to comment until we know who the attempted assassin was.
My guess, probably some person with a history of mental illness. Perhaps a deranged veteran, or a person with a history of drug and alcohol issues.
Was he a left winger, a right winger, or an attention seeker?
We don't know his name yet, but it will go down in history.Replies: @Jefferson Temple, @Jonathan Mason, @Reg Cæsar
I suppose there are some other possibilities.
This seems like suicide by cop. The gunman doesn’t seem to have had any plan to make a getaway.
A Russian or a Ukrainian, or a Palestinian, or an Israelite?
Is there any kind of religion where devotees are known to commit suicide for a cause?
A paid assassin? Not very likely.
Someone whose family has been deported, or is himself awaiting deportation?
Nope, looks like a common or garden nutcase to me.
The message was 'this is the bad man.' Inevitably, some psychically desperate person realized, 'if I kill the bad man, it will win me approval and justify my existence.'
Thank God he didn't succeed. It would have been lose-l0se all around if he had.
https://ecuadorradiony.com/
Across the river, Newark is one of the most Portuguese cities in America. Of course, the Brazilians followed. And then the Colombians, the Ecuadorians, etc.
*Which brings back memories of "1050, CHUM!" One of the first stations to put its number up front like that, which became ubiquitous on FM.
If somebody spray-painted a swastika on Anthony Blinken’s townhouse, it would the biggest crime in the history of mankind. But the attempted assassination of Trump is just an “incident.”
The pun may or may not be intended, but Biden is certainly not calling the shots.
I agree with your condemnation of the press, but you are deeply ignorant of history if you think this is a recent turn. Read up on Operation Mockingbird and yellow journalism and long before that. The press has always been controlled and infiltrated, just a matter of how much.
Our very own Steve with his small audience toes most of the party lines, including the dumbest ones about Covid or the Ukraine proxy war, imagine how much worse the pressure is on the TV hosts with their middling audiences or Rogan or Carlson with their massive online video audiences.
Well, that’s one way to divert the national conversation away from Obama’s shadow government which subverted Trump’s presidency and ran Joe’s.
I'm not a fan, I never was.
I'm probably going with RFK but this gives Trump an edge.
He picks former NYPD commissioner Bernie Kerik as his VP to beef up security now.Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Mike Conrad, @Dr. X
As long as he doesn’t pick Rosey Grier to lead his security detail. Rosey didn’t work out for his rival’s dad, and is 56 years older now.
Rosey Grier on the Kennedy Assassination
Rosey Grier: The Lineman Who Tried to Save RFK—And Voted for Trump
Instead, Rosey can do the Official Trump Tapestry™ for 2024.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zj-JNAM79rY&pp=ygUQUm9zZXkgZ3JpZXIgd25ldA%3D%3D
Rosey turns 92 tomorrow. Wish him happy birthday!
This seems like suicide by cop. The gunman doesn't seem to have had any plan to make a getaway.
A Russian or a Ukrainian, or a Palestinian, or an Israelite?
Is there any kind of religion where devotees are known to commit suicide for a cause?
A paid assassin? Not very likely.
Someone whose family has been deported, or is himself awaiting deportation?
Nope, looks like a common or garden nutcase to me.Replies: @John Johnson, @Colin Wright, @Reg Cæsar
Is there any kind of religion where devotees are known to commit suicide for a cause?
This is America.
We have some nutcase every other month go on a shooting without any plan for escape.
I think the safe money is on an anti-Trumper that decided to make his move after Biden’s recent gaffes.
Could be ex-military but not a professional assassin. He not only missed but lost his cool on the follow up shots. I didn’t see one shot hit the stage.
Oh and supposedly multiple people reported the shooter to law enforcement. As in when he was on the roof and getting ready.
Good lord.
https://vdare.com/posts/trump-shot-after-stochastic-terrorist-threat-from-joe-biden-it-s-time-to-put-trump-in-the-bull-s-eye
NYT archived link: https://archive.ph/eNjnh
And somebody did. January 6th: compare and contrast.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/12/us/politics/biden-speech-detroit.html
https://archive.ph/qIZny
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUO_zrPYocE
Jul 15, 2024Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @MEH 0910
https://cdn.theatlantic.com/thumbor/HJMgLmMHodAmdsLAranvlzayH70=/0x0:3751x2110/1952x1098/media/img/mt/2024/07/AP24195803074590/original.jpgReplies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @unintended consequence, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Gordo
Another one:
I'm old enough to remember the RFK assassination, through Reagan's, and each time I get that same, shitty, sick feeling in my stomach. As much as I despise Biden politically, I’d never entertain, even in my mind, him being assassinated. It would be just as heart-breaking for what’s left of this country.
We have more than doubled the population of the United States since RFK, so it’s reasonable to assume we have more than twice the number of nut cases, and/ or far leftists.
If I’m remembering correctly, anbout all our political assassinators have been democrats.
It’s going to take the country a few hours to process this, and let sink in that we were an eighth of an inch from a massive historic dark national tragedy.
My stomach tells me that, for me, it’s already… sunk in.
Thomas Lawson’s Twitter account (@Thomasfidy) has good updates on developing aspects of the attempted assassination. @DanielleFong as well.
Difficult to comment until we know who the attempted assassin was.
My guess, probably some person with a history of mental illness. Perhaps a deranged veteran, or a person with a history of drug and alcohol issues.
Was he a left winger, a right winger, or an attention seeker?
We don't know his name yet, but it will go down in history.Replies: @Jefferson Temple, @Jonathan Mason, @Reg Cæsar
…or zer pronouns.
The cons use a double as trump around half the time, such as this. Look cose, Its not him. Also people who sit behind trump are usually cons in cabal so don’t expose schemes, such as this, looks staged. Psyop, so selfish ignorants continue clinging at a con.
Is way past time to stop expecting false ‘leaders’ to make any difference. No such thing as some stranger ‘protect’ us because scribble a paper ‘vote’. Natural rights natural law, personal effort and tribe effort, required to defend self and territory. Its not complicated.
Remember cavemen.
The media cons making it hard to find video, instead want people listening to their false jabber.
Here vid.
http://www.nbcnews.com/video/watch-trump-rushed-off-stage-by-secret-service-after-shots-fired-at-rally-214810693743
With iron sights at 100 yards (assuming you still have the near-far vision of your youth) you’d still put shots on the margin, like through President Trump’s ear instead of his brain a quarter-inch to the left. Where the inexperience showed was in not putting a three-round group center mass.
Anyhoo, it would be nice if the Left’s political rhetoric could stay inside the Overton frame. The US contains at least 330M people, a number of whom are ready, willing and able to go over the edge when the Left says things like Trump is #LiterallyHitler, Vlad the Bad has Trump in his back pocket, MAGAts are killing meemaw because they won’t get vaccinated, the Earth’s temperature goes up .25⁰ every time a Southerner cranks his pickup truck, Rand Paul needs to be ambushed by his liberal neighbor and have his ribs broken, etc. You’re not helping, friendo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmLAmaxhW9wThe AR-15 is a fine weapon and does not need a red dot or scope as many assume (though it does better with one). I don't consider myself an advanced shooter but I would be comfortable with a head sized target at 100 yards with irons. A body sized target would be a cinch. A 12 year old girl could be trained in a day to hit a body sized target. This really isn't a big deal. You’re not helping, friendo.Just what are you saying? I'm not helping by giving honest commentary?Well I think half the problem is that dishonest conservatism has been a complete failure. The unspoken premise of Con Inc is to provide an alternative set of lies while following liberal lies on taboo subjects like race. Well that theory has failed hard so I really don't see the point in supported a losing strategy. Go over to Brietbart if you want an echo chamber. If this country is going down then we might as well be honest. I'm not a conservative anyways. I'm an anti-liberal populist that thinks we are better off being honest about race. Conservatism is too encumbered by its own lies to take on liberalism.Replies: @mc23
I'm not a fan, I never was.
I'm probably going with RFK but this gives Trump an edge.
He picks former NYPD commissioner Bernie Kerik as his VP to beef up security now.Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Mike Conrad, @Dr. X
It’s July. Remember that the merkin electorate has the attention span of a gnat.
Separately: I’m late to this story having (mis)spent a couple hours on reddit this evening. The rhetoric on that site makes events like this inevitable. And reddit is hardly unusual.
This seems like suicide by cop. The gunman doesn't seem to have had any plan to make a getaway.
A Russian or a Ukrainian, or a Palestinian, or an Israelite?
Is there any kind of religion where devotees are known to commit suicide for a cause?
A paid assassin? Not very likely.
Someone whose family has been deported, or is himself awaiting deportation?
Nope, looks like a common or garden nutcase to me.Replies: @John Johnson, @Colin Wright, @Reg Cæsar
Indeed. But the establishment, with their constant unreasoning fear and hatred of Trump, brought this loonie out of the woodwork.
The message was ‘this is the bad man.’ Inevitably, some psychically desperate person realized, ‘if I kill the bad man, it will win me approval and justify my existence.’
Thank God he didn’t succeed. It would have been lose-l0se all around if he had.
So far, the Hot Air site (believe it or not) has the funniest take: “Mostly Peaceful Assassination Attempt Ends Without Disruption.”
Meanwhile, Will Stancil is thinking, “Can’t anybody just follow my directions?”
‘…It’s time to put Trump in the bull’s-eye.”
And somebody did. January 6th: compare and contrast.
This seems like suicide by cop. The gunman doesn't seem to have had any plan to make a getaway.
A Russian or a Ukrainian, or a Palestinian, or an Israelite?
Is there any kind of religion where devotees are known to commit suicide for a cause?
A paid assassin? Not very likely.
Someone whose family has been deported, or is himself awaiting deportation?
Nope, looks like a common or garden nutcase to me.Replies: @John Johnson, @Colin Wright, @Reg Cæsar
That’s Britspeak for “garden variety”. For some reason, our own Art Deco uses it too. Maybe he listened to CBC radio across the lake from Toronto.* At the other end of New York, you can get Ecuadorian radio:
https://ecuadorradiony.com/
Across the river, Newark is one of the most Portuguese cities in America. Of course, the Brazilians followed. And then the Colombians, the Ecuadorians, etc.
*Which brings back memories of “1050, CHUM!” One of the first stations to put its number up front like that, which became ubiquitous on FM.
using acoustics and forensics…speed of round was about 2400 FPS.
so shooter used an SKS, maybe AK clone. 7.62×39 round, 123 grain. is the most likely match.
photo of dead shooter with back of head blown off now on internet. you are warned.
I hear Biden is appointing Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-MA) to head a Commission into the attempt on former President Trump’s life.
Sorry, I had to do it.
But seriously, I have strange new respect for The Establishment’s actions after the JFK assassination. I don’t know whether they were right or wrong on the facts, but I understand better the motivation to quickly frame up an anodyne myth instead of letting people come to their own conclusions – because people are really lazy and ignorant, and will believe whatever the loudest voice tells them to.
And a sharp one. Unlike certain escapees from the old folks’ home, Trump immediately knew the right play to make — and made it. The Secret Service wasn’t going to hustle him off the stage. Not just yet.
Another perspective: two inches to the right and it begins.
I don’t know if the comment is going to go through – it hasn’t been approved yet – but apparently the Hispanic guy whose picture and video I posted earlier is *not* the actual shooter.
A couple of pictures of the dead shooter, including a close-up shot of his face, are now circulating online. The perp appears to be a scrawny white guy. There are rumors that he was a tranny.
The NYT reiterated the Biden quote yesterday:
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/12/us/politics/biden-speech-detroit.html
https://archive.ph/qIZny
Gun experts-- could that shot have been done by a handgun? Or would a long rifle be needed?
How the hell did they get the weapon thru the metal detectors?Replies: @Belle Pepper, @Jack D
It was from a rifle and from outside the security perimeter.
Yeah I give it a fair chance it’s a trans. 20-30%.
Not many news stories yet. NYT emailed a breaking news alert but don’t have a full story yet. I guess they’re still to figure out who the perp is.
The New Yorker has a short piece on the incredible photo.
https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/the-attempt-on-donald-trumps-life-and-an-image-that-will-last
https://compote.slate.com/images/07a6bf38-f602-46ca-97a7-3911882be8f7.jpegReplies: @anonymous, @Belle Pepper, @Currahee
This assassination attempt has a very Theodore Roosevelt beginning, middle, and end, although Trump’s next appearance won’t be as soon as Roosevelt’s. It’s probably just as well, to keep things from getting intensely Greek as fuck. We need a minute to breathe.
I’m old enough to remember the RFK assassination, through Reagan’s, and each time I get that same, shitty, sick feeling in my stomach. As much as I despise Biden politically, I’d never entertain, even in my mind, him being assassinated. It would be just as heart-breaking for what’s left of this country.
We have more than doubled the population of the United States since RFK, so it’s reasonable to assume we have more than twice the number of nut cases, and/ or far leftists.
If I’m remembering correctly, anbout all our political assassinators have been democrats.
It’s going to take the country a few hours to process this, and let sink in that we were an eighth of an inch from a massive historic dark national tragedy.
My stomach tells me that, for me, it’s already… sunk in.
Democracy doesn't die in the darkness. Democracy dies in the media spotlight.
https://twitter.com/austin_rief/status/1812259887940096276
https://twitter.com/alexkehr/status/1812272157671686234Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @Mike Conrad, @TWS, @notbe mk 2, @Almost Missouri
Un-effing-real. If this had been Diaper Boy we’d have a nationwide curfew for Badwhites effective immediately. Well, I probably shouldn’t give them any ideas.
Imo it doesn’t look like him, could be a double. Also people who sit behind trump can be other operatives, so don’t expose if whatever were staged.
Anyway Is past time to stop expecting ‘leaders’ to make any difference. Natural rights natural law, personal and tribe effort required to defend self and territory. Its not complicated, remember cavemen.
The media cons making it hard to find video, only want people listening to their jabber instead.
Here vid
http://www.nbcnews.com/video/watch-trump-rushed-off-stage-by-secret-service-after-shots-fired-at-rally-214810693743
I have the text of a memo I won’t post here because it might be fake, but it claims to be from inside a lyingpress office, and it’s all damage control — we don’t know what happened, we don’t know it was an assassination attempt. If officials say they aren’t sure then say that. It appears to be corroborated by apparent headlines from the usual suspects, WaPo and CNN — “Secret Service escorts Trump offstage after he falls,” “Trump leaves rally after loud noises.” This has got to be a moment where a regular CNN watcher must be waking up.
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Oh, oh, oh. Trump lied that he was hit by a bullet, but actually he was hit by a fragment of glass from the teleprompter. Oh, oh, oh.
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He was looking one way and then just happened to turn his head as the bullet flew. Had he not randomly turned his head right at that moment, he would have suffered more than a damaged ear.
Patriots in control.
Awoo.
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When you get your mail-in ballot, don’t fill it out, save it, spoil it, bring it with you to the polling place, show it to the poll workers as you get your real ballot.
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This is the anniversary of the Third Secret of Fatima (latter-day persecution of Christians).
Oswald had more time than was thought to fire and missed more too. He was extremely familiar with his weapon from hunting, range firing and working the action while sitting about. It wasn’t his marksmanship that Audie Murphy (who bears some similarities with Oswald such as being a bantam sized Texan from a broken home who spent time in an orphanage and shooting things for the pot), got medals for. Oswald did not have to climb up onto and across across a sloping roof. Oswald was completely protected by the angle and being out of the line of sight of the scores of bodyguard’, it also meant he could brace his rifle against the window surround. There were misses and likely a deflection off a lightpost projection The shot that killed Kennedy was not on a moving target from Oswalds view because JFK’s driver had virtually stopped, Jackie was scathing about the driver, who JFK had intervened to keep on although he was elderly for such a position. The Kennedy brothers (including the one killed in the war after volunteering for a hairbrained operation) were all extremely reckless, and so were their male children. RFK jr got a worm in his brain from eating raw pork.
JFK's driver was under orders to hit the accelerator if he heard shots. Instead, he slowed to a virtual stop and looked back over his shoulder.
Uh uh, this will just drive them to turbocharge the cheat.
Hinckley’s family was friends with the Bush family. Probably not a coincidence. MK Ultra is a real thing.
White male t-shirt “DEMOLITIA” branded to a homosexual activist group “something ranch” like armed antifa like that one antifa professor carrying an AR when Heather Heyer had her heart attack.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/live-blog/trump-biden-rnc-election-live-updates-rcna161404#rcrd45880
My prediction is that his guy was a lone wolf/ nut case and therefore it's stupid (not politically - politically it's shrewd) to try to associate him with any particular cause, especially not based on what shirt he was wearing.Replies: @J.Ross, @Jonathan Mason, @Colin Wright
So — in other words — presidential.
Biden stepping down isn’t good news because other candidates may have a better chance to win the election.
It’s good news for those of us that would like new candidates.
The majority of Americans.
I don't mean more coherent or more capable. That would make them even more destructive. President Whitmer? President Newsom? I'll grant that President Harris would be so ridiculous she might bring about a long-overdue diminution of the office.
Who would be better for the rest of us?Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @John Johnson
We’ll get few details on the shooter and his ties to the British foreign office, which is how it’s always been.
The Cabal’s new thing: assassinations.
Kremlin responds to Ukraine’s threats to assassinate Putin
https://www.rt.com/russia/600974-ukraine-putin-assassination-threats/
This guy saying the photos is real makes me think it is actually fake, especially given who the photo is credited to.
https://twitter.com/Partisangirl/status/1812325968612388871
Anyhoo, it would be nice if the Left's political rhetoric could stay inside the Overton frame. The US contains at least 330M people, a number of whom are ready, willing and able to go over the edge when the Left says things like Trump is #LiterallyHitler, Vlad the Bad has Trump in his back pocket, MAGAts are killing meemaw because they won't get vaccinated, the Earth's temperature goes up .25⁰ every time a Southerner cranks his pickup truck, Rand Paul needs to be ambushed by his liberal neighbor and have his ribs broken, etc. You're not helping, friendo.Replies: @John Johnson
With iron sights at 100 yards (assuming you still have the near-far vision of your youth) you’d still put shots on the margin, like through President Trump’s ear instead of his brain a quarter-inch to the left.
I would most likely hit within 4-5 inch circle from prone on the first shot. Yes I do have good vision but there are guys at my range that could do it with glasses.
Very easy if you give me 4-5 shots.
Here is someone hitting cans at 100 yards with irons:
The AR-15 is a fine weapon and does not need a red dot or scope as many assume (though it does better with one). I don’t consider myself an advanced shooter but I would be comfortable with a head sized target at 100 yards with irons. A body sized target would be a cinch. A 12 year old girl could be trained in a day to hit a body sized target. This really isn’t a big deal.
You’re not helping, friendo.
Just what are you saying? I’m not helping by giving honest commentary?
Well I think half the problem is that dishonest conservatism has been a complete failure. The unspoken premise of Con Inc is to provide an alternative set of lies while following liberal lies on taboo subjects like race. Well that theory has failed hard so I really don’t see the point in supported a losing strategy. Go over to Brietbart if you want an echo chamber. If this country is going down then we might as well be honest. I’m not a conservative anyways. I’m an anti-liberal populist that thinks we are better off being honest about race. Conservatism is too encumbered by its own lies to take on liberalism.
https://twitter.com/LizLamb44385395/status/1812305269231169808Replies: @Almost Missouri, @AceDeuce, @Anonymous
Trump reacted like a man. I can imagine Biden's reaction too well. He'd still be standing there when the SS ran him over.Replies: @mc23
Trump threw himself of the ground. Biden wouldn’t have flinched.
Probably true. Biden never has a clue what's going on around him. Maybe he would have turned to look for someone to shake hands with.Replies: @Dragoslav
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmLAmaxhW9wThe AR-15 is a fine weapon and does not need a red dot or scope as many assume (though it does better with one). I don't consider myself an advanced shooter but I would be comfortable with a head sized target at 100 yards with irons. A body sized target would be a cinch. A 12 year old girl could be trained in a day to hit a body sized target. This really isn't a big deal. You’re not helping, friendo.Just what are you saying? I'm not helping by giving honest commentary?Well I think half the problem is that dishonest conservatism has been a complete failure. The unspoken premise of Con Inc is to provide an alternative set of lies while following liberal lies on taboo subjects like race. Well that theory has failed hard so I really don't see the point in supported a losing strategy. Go over to Brietbart if you want an echo chamber. If this country is going down then we might as well be honest. I'm not a conservative anyways. I'm an anti-liberal populist that thinks we are better off being honest about race. Conservatism is too encumbered by its own lies to take on liberalism.Replies: @mc23
Just saw this overhead of the site. I am not going to engage in any conspiracy theories. I am just going to say the Secret Service and local forces sucked for not securing that roof. The sniper’s location seems to be an obvious site for a security team to cover.
https://twitter.com/202accepted/status/1812308235464118392
https://twitter.com/robbystarbuck/status/1812372526451789864Replies: @CalCooledge, @Goddard
Democracy doesn't die in the darkness. Democracy dies in the media spotlight.
https://twitter.com/austin_rief/status/1812259887940096276
https://twitter.com/alexkehr/status/1812272157671686234Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @Mike Conrad, @TWS, @notbe mk 2, @Almost Missouri
The media can’t help themselves. It’s pathological.
The simplest explanation is that both the shooter and the Secret Service are retarded.
I know everyone is programmed to believe every happening is a hoax or a false flag or some other bullshit but the most likely thing is all the talk about “save our democracy from the Christian Nationalist dictator who wants to use Project 2025 to make me kneel on broken glass and pray to Jesus” coupled with the collapse of the Democrat presidential campaign pushed a lone nut into trying to take matters into his own hands.
Then when bystanders tried to alert the security people, they stood there with their thumbs up their butts because we long ago stopped selecting go-getters and critical thinkers for important positions, choosing instead yes-men and types who aren’t a risk to take the initiative and do things without the permission of a superior.
It was just another day in Clown World. The left can’t shoot, the Secret Service is inept, and Trump is one of the luckiest sumbitches on Earth.
Sort of. ‘Corvinus’ (aka Will Stancil) had just called for Trump’s assassination, but he didn’t want to get this hands dirty himself. Like with everything else, he wanted the government to do it for him.
2024 is getting to be like 2016, when seemingly every event had a dual Trump/iSteve angle.
Will Biden now provide RFK Jr with the Secret Service protection he has repeatedly requested and been denied? It would be a bad look for the Democrats if someone tries something like this on RFK Jr when Biden is spitefully leaving him unprotected. People might start thinking that Joe isn’t actually a very nice person.
This election is the real “Gladiator 2,” with Trump as Maximus, who stands up to every effort to destroy him, and Biden as the craven, vengeful, Commodus, who inspires neither love nor respect.
It’s all on Biden and his hateful rhetoric towards Trump and his followers, supported by a complicit media.
Ever since January 6th 2021, I thought the Republicans missed a huge opportunity to peg the democrats as despicable chicken-hawk cowards. The (probably staged and posed) photos of Dems cowering in the senatorial gallery were nauseating. This people send eighteen-year-old boys to their deaths, and yet they cower from unarmed Grannies and kooks protesting?
Some enterprising Trump PAC should run ads contrasting those grotesquely craven Democrats with defiant, triumphant Trump with his fist in the air.
The behavior of politicians on January 6, 2021 should have been disqualifying. Trump’s behavior today, however, made him a legend.
It's good news for those of us that would like new candidates.
The majority of Americans.Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Gandydancer
There are better candidates in Biden’s party? Name one. I dare you.
I don’t mean more coherent or more capable. That would make them even more destructive. President Whitmer? President Newsom? I’ll grant that President Harris would be so ridiculous she might bring about a long-overdue diminution of the office.
Who would be better for the rest of us?
This election is the real "Gladiator 2," with Trump as Maximus, who stands up to every effort to destroy him, and Biden as the craven, vengeful, Commodus, who inspires neither love nor respect.Replies: @Reg Cæsar
Why is it Biden’s decision? That’s dripping with moral hazard. Kind of like a high-speed rail version of the trolley problem.
A more appropriate question would be to ask why the media don’t highlight it.Replies: @Bel Riose, @Reg Cæsar
"Kennedy alleged that Mayorkas is colluding with President Joe Biden to deny Secret Service protection, forcing Kennedy to foot the bill for personal security, thus depriving his campaign of funds that would otherwise be used to promote his candidacy."
https://www.newsweek.com/rfk-jr-continues-seek-secret-service-protection-threats-detailed-foia-response-1915057Replies: @cthulhu
Gotta say, even I voted for the guy (both times, primary and general) I never liked him and thought he was a jerk. But the way he got back on his feet and pumped his fist, for the first time I actually admire him. Teddy Roosevelt, who got shot and the continued his speech, comes to mind.
And I hope he’s ok, like that he didn’t hit his head on the ground when he briefly fell. At his age, that could be pretty bad.
There is much to admire in him for running in 2015-16 and for campaigning the way he did and with the platform he had.
I don't mean more coherent or more capable. That would make them even more destructive. President Whitmer? President Newsom? I'll grant that President Harris would be so ridiculous she might bring about a long-overdue diminution of the office.
Who would be better for the rest of us?Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @John Johnson
It’s not a question with “John Johnson” of who would be better for the rest of us; it’s a question of who would be best for Ukraine.
One of the funniest lines I’ve read in days. Thanks.
We now know it was a LONE GUNMAN, like Lee Harvey Oswald, or like Sirhan Sirhan because he’s from BETHEL (Park).
How do you read them? Clicking your link brings up last year’s posts.
Here's a follow-up tweet from Sunday night -- video of another group of outside-the-perimeter attendees trying to draw cops' attention to the soon-to-be shooter clambering up the roof, as Trump is heard orating in the background.
https://twitter.com/DC_Draino/status/1812642041391915384Replies: @Moshe Def
Or you can use a Nitter instance, if you can find one still active, e.g., at https://status.d420.de/
https://cdn.theatlantic.com/thumbor/HJMgLmMHodAmdsLAranvlzayH70=/0x0:3751x2110/1952x1098/media/img/mt/2024/07/AP24195803074590/original.jpgReplies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @unintended consequence, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Gordo
From more of a distance, that pic looks surprisingly like the Iwo Jima statue.
I'm not a fan, I never was.
I'm probably going with RFK but this gives Trump an edge.
He picks former NYPD commissioner Bernie Kerik as his VP to beef up security now.Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Mike Conrad, @Dr. X
Kerik is a convicted felon.
It seems God looks after children, idiots, the United States of America, and Donald Trump. Trump’s life is certainly going to make a very interesting biography.
Signed,
Not a Trump SupporterReplies: @Stan Adams, @Almost Missouri
Here’s the moment – if the timestamp doesn’t work, it’s at the 1:22:44 mark:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaIR4yV9IDg#t=1h22m44s
Signed,
Not a Trump SupporterReplies: @Stan Adams, @Almost Missouri
Yeah, they are and have been openly trying to get someone to kill him.
Hinckley had two older siblings who were completely normal.
https://twitter.com/SharpFootball/status/1812265909727396107
Outrageous.
https://twitter.com/OAlexanderDK/status/1812269821914169514
The dead shooter's body was on social media while CNN was still saying that "Trump fell" at the rally.
https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/1812267952961699975Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @Anon, @danand, @clifford brown, @James N. Kennett
Another witness who told the police there was a man with a rifle on the rooftop.
Did not look like he fell. I presume he saw SS motioning to him to duck, so he did.
A cretin at Caste Football declared it to be “staged.”
Remember when Sleazy Steve tried to tell us Biden and Trump were really the same …
I deplore “Mr. Biden”, but that’s a common figure of speech. No one honestly thinks he was saying Trump should be assassinated, and pretending so only makes you look foolish.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/01/did-sarah-palin-s-target-map-play-role-in-giffords-shooting/342714/
A friend of mine toured the site and said it was not a difficult shot for Oswald.
JFK’s driver was under orders to hit the accelerator if he heard shots. Instead, he slowed to a virtual stop and looked back over his shoulder.
https://cdn.theatlantic.com/thumbor/HJMgLmMHodAmdsLAranvlzayH70=/0x0:3751x2110/1952x1098/media/img/mt/2024/07/AP24195803074590/original.jpgReplies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @unintended consequence, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Gordo
Structurally, compositionally, you’ve almost got yourself another “Flag Iwo Jima” moment.
NOTE TO INSIDERS: Don’t waste it. But you probably will.
I don't mean more coherent or more capable. That would make them even more destructive. President Whitmer? President Newsom? I'll grant that President Harris would be so ridiculous she might bring about a long-overdue diminution of the office.
Who would be better for the rest of us?Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @John Johnson
There are better candidates in Biden’s party? Name one. I dare you.
Dare accepted.
Pat Ryan.
I don’t like either party but the polls show that most Americans would like new candidates.
I agree with the majority.
For the record I don’t consider Trump to be a Republican.
He was a NYC Democrat his whole life until running for president. A silver spoon NYC real estate con who hired illegals to clean his hotels. So take your judgement down a notch. The guy doesn’t excite me. Deal with it.
Pat Ryan vs Trump would be a battle of two NYC Democrats.
Look I backed Trump in the first election and he disappointed me on the border. Sure he is better than Biden but that is a low bar. I don’t think Biden is medically qualified which means any person on the street has a better resume.
Who would be better for the rest of us?
I’m not convinced that Trump or any mainstream politician can save this country and I’m not the type of person that rewards a habitual felon with a vote. I kind of have this weird standard that corrupt politicians should be punished.
I’m reading that the other one killed was the assassin, who was shot by the Secret Service.
I agree that the current scenario seems improbable and one should be skeptical, but this particular outcome seems so difficult to arrange that it seems it must be real. I agree that one must be suspicious that the shooter was allowed to get so close by a Secret Service that at least was incompetent, but the more likely motive there was to blow his head off, not get some great photos, ie the opposite of the claim you linked.
Trump is so erratic, we don't know what he will do about Iran, but he's always had a more sober foreign policy than the deep state, which is why the jews largely attacked him, so we can only hope that sticks. I would only vote third party, but I don't vote.
We don't know if he will qualify and who he will be running against.
But this makes it more likely that Biden will step down.
Probably the best news in all this.Replies: @BB753, @Rick P, @Corn
Why do you say that? All the media will be swarming over the Trump shooting rather than Biden’s mental faculties.
It’s not a question with “John Johnson” of who would be better for the rest of us; it’s a question of who would be best for Ukraine.
It was Trump that handed Speaker Johnson a 61 billion dollar bill that was drafted by a swamp creature to break the Putin wing of Maga. It worked and yet Trump’s supporters still hilariously hold out for him blocking Ukraine aid……..after he is elected I guess.
You guys get so focused on dissenting views when your own orange hero already did what I wanted and more.
Ukraine gets the entire ATACMS inventory. Johnson didn’t even try to lowball the Democrats. Trump told him to run it to the top and his little lapdog did exactly that.
Trump played everyone again and here you are BUT BUT FORUM POSTER MAKE ME ANGRY.
Pathetic.
Steve’s threads have more dissenting views. If you want the “Ukraine is doomed” echo chamber then head elsewhere. Or maybe try not taking it so personally.
After all, if they can blow up pipelines in one of the most heavily monitored sealanes on the planet ...
https://www.rt.com/news/564745-elon-musk-mirotvorets-kill-list/
You’re an idiot. He puts his hand to his ear, sees blood, and hits the deck, displaying cool, level-headed reaction under fire.
If you listen carefully at 1:22, you can hear him shout "Wait! Wait! Wait!" to the agents who are trying to hustle him off the stage. He then raises his clinched fist, prompting huge cheers from the crowd.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYfvSspaJtk
Say what you will about the man, but he knows how to make a dramatic exit.Replies: @mc23
This makes sense to me. The “grazed ear” is awfully suspicious. Could’ve been done with a blood squib which Hollywood uses all the time
The left has plenty of crazies too.
Agree with it all.
So you’re a Biden man, just want him younger:
How was he a jerk? Why didn’t you like him?
There is much to admire in him for running in 2015-16 and for campaigning the way he did and with the platform he had.
Like when Fredo fumbled his gun after the Don was shot in the street.
Steve,
What the hell happened to heavy.com? Seems like it was bought out and gutted. Now sports gossip; feels like a ghost town.
Is it a possible instance of information suppression?
Say a billionaire doesn’t like pesky non-mainstream news reporting inconvenient facts– stuff contradicting favored narratives… what do? Well, just buyout ’em out!
I saw it posted on X (AKA Twitter)
From Larry Johnson’s website
By the time the Secret Service agents started shouting “Get down!” he was already halfway to the ground.
If you listen carefully at 1:22, you can hear him shout “Wait! Wait! Wait!” to the agents who are trying to hustle him off the stage. He then raises his clinched fist, prompting huge cheers from the crowd.
Say what you will about the man, but he knows how to make a dramatic exit.
https://twitter.com/StrangerJosh11/status/1812517927649685986
So you’re a Biden man, just want him younger:
No I said I wanted new candidates.
I opposed Biden in the last election and that is in my record.
I also had Trump Tribe angry with me in the last election for pointing out that he had lost independents in the polls.
But they were certain he would win and they accused me of being a Democrat or following the MSM.
Well Trump lost and exit polls matched what I had been pointing out to them. He lost independents.
And here were are today with a similar accusation.
“Ryan voted with President Joe Biden’s stated position 100% of the time in the 117th Congress, according to a FiveThirtyEight analysis.”
A statement that lacks context given that we have a divided congress and bills rarely get to his desk. Most Republicans have voted most of the time with Biden. The Democrats can’t pass whatever they want so Biden normally signs bipartisan bills.
Polls show that Trump needs Biden to run. He loses to practically any Democrat.
He may have die-hard fans but moderates and independents win swing states.
I commend the guy on being strong in this assassination attempt but it isn’t going to change my opinion of him. I view him as NYC Democrat and real estate con.
I would like new candidates. Trump allows for the worst case scenario which is another 4 years for Biden. Anyone like Cruz handily beats Biden in the polls. That doesn’t mean I like Cruz. I just would like a reset from both parties and I really don’t want Biden. I’ll take a border collie over Biden.
Update on the shooter: Antifa dork.
https://nypost.com/2024/07/13/us-news/thomas-matthew-crooks-idd-as-gunman-who-shot-trump-during-pa-rally/
This article mentions twice that he was a registered Republican.Replies: @AceDeuce
https://twitter.com/MatthewKeysLive/status/1812343132031426582Replies: @John Johnson, @Bill Jones
-- "the Democrat's summer of riot in 2020"
-- "the Democrat's Antifa goon squads that harass and attack conservative rallies and speakers"
-- "shouting down or banning of conservative speakers on campus who says something they don't like or hurts their feelings"
-- "banning and censoring conservative speech on social media platforms, and labelling 'misinformation' things they don't like, like Hunter Biden's laptop showing corrupt Joe Biden peddling American influence for cash or the virus leaking from the Wuhan lab, due to research funding by Fauci using Americans' tax dollars.
Tie it all up in a bow about these parasites trying to stifle dissent from any American who wants to preserve his nation and dares to push back.Replies: @bomag, @AnotherDad
Third thing:
I hope Trump reaches out to and takes care of the family of the guy who was killed. And visits the injured.
Make sure to talk about the dead guy as a patriot, and this being an attack on all of us American patriots–not just talk about Donald J. Trump.
Sad to say but this is a great opportunity for Trump to take the ego thing straight on and show it’s not just about Trump, but about Americans.
This was a ridiculously easy shot for anyone with basic marksmanship training. 130 yards at stationary large target firing from prone position. Just about any USMC recruit fresh out of boot camp could do this shot 10 times out of 10 with crappy abused government M16s with crappy government ammo and iron sights.
Crisis of competency in action. For once, clown world has a positive outcome. Notice that the counterfire instantly drilled the shooter who presented a much smaller target lying down.
130 yards is easy mode even with crummy equipment. Just thank the lucky stars it was a young guy pumped up with self esteem culture and no regard for acquired practiced skills even the very little necessary for this ridiculously easy shot.
The USMC rifle scores of Oswald and Texas tower guy were middling. In no way did they indicate that they were superior marksmen, fwiw.
Trump was a very lucky man. Bystanders not so much.
This was an inch or two away from being a fatal headshot. The closest to a real assassination attempt since 1981 (where John Hinckley Jr. managed to get bullets into 4 people, including the POTUS, only for none of them to die. 4 injuries and no deaths, under Sailer's Law of Mass Shootings, makes Hinckley a 'wigger'.).
Alas, even this can't overcome vote fraud*, so Biden will still win given that Trump has to get 56% of the vote in each swing state to secure the EVs of that state.
*since vote fraud happened in 2020, conservatives have a need to 'conserve' it and no longer have a problem with Democrat vote fraud. Remember, conservatism is about 'conserving' the status quo, including vote fraud that favors Democrats.Replies: @Roderick Spode
When Trump wins, the crow sandwich is on me.
The Deep State-Intelligence-Israeli complex attempted a preemptive coup today – and they nearly succeeded.
The shooter was as much of a ‘lone gunman’ as Lee Harvey Oswald and Sirhan Sirhan.
Is anybody naive enough to believe that a 20 year-old kid somehow got on an unguarded rooftop and got in an exceptionally precise ‘kill shot’ that was only one inch off?
No freaking way.
By the way, what an ‘interesting coincidence’ that QAnon celeb Vincent Fusca, who is supposedly JFK Jr. in disguise, was there. Even more ‘interesting’ was Mr. Fusca’s reaction… For some reason, Fusca’s reaction was very different from the rest of the crowd.
No I said I wanted new candidates. I opposed Biden in the last election and that is in my record. I also had Trump Tribe angry with me in the last election for pointing out that he had lost independents in the polls. But they were certain he would win and they accused me of being a Democrat or following the MSM. Well Trump lost and exit polls matched what I had been pointing out to them. He lost independents. And here were are today with a similar accusation. “Ryan voted with President Joe Biden’s stated position 100% of the time in the 117th Congress, according to a FiveThirtyEight analysis.”A statement that lacks context given that we have a divided congress and bills rarely get to his desk. Most Republicans have voted most of the time with Biden. The Democrats can't pass whatever they want so Biden normally signs bipartisan bills. Polls show that Trump needs Biden to run. He loses to practically any Democrat. He may have die-hard fans but moderates and independents win swing states. I commend the guy on being strong in this assassination attempt but it isn't going to change my opinion of him. I view him as NYC Democrat and real estate con. I would like new candidates. Trump allows for the worst case scenario which is another 4 years for Biden. Anyone like Cruz handily beats Biden in the polls. That doesn't mean I like Cruz. I just would like a reset from both parties and I really don't want Biden. I'll take a border collie over Biden. Update on the shooter: Antifa dork.
https://nypost.com/2024/07/13/us-news/thomas-matthew-crooks-idd-as-gunman-who-shot-trump-during-pa-rally/Replies: @Roderick Spode, @Reg Cæsar, @Colin Wright
>antifa dork
This article mentions twice that he was a registered Republican.
And many little libwipe pissants register Repub. to play little games like voting Haley in the last GOP primary to bring down Trump's margin, or trying to sink a conservative GOP congressional or gubernatorial candidate in the primaries by voting for his more liberal opponent. They can still vote however they want to in the general election.Replies: @Colin Wright
2 that we know of..
This feels like an intelligence operation, orchestrated by either the FBI, CIA, or Mossad. Though there likely are other very powerful players involved with this conspiracy.
There was no ‘lone gunman.’
Watch the short video below, which discusses the framing of Lee Harvey Oswald. ‘Back and to the left.’
You called it. Within minutes of the news breaking a moonbat leftist I know texted me that the event was a false flag staged by Trump, and in the same breath said he hoped Biden has better luck on the next attempt. I guess great minds really are big enough to hold two contradictory ideas at the same time.
Hah! Biden would have fired back. With a shotgun.
No I said I wanted new candidates. I opposed Biden in the last election and that is in my record. I also had Trump Tribe angry with me in the last election for pointing out that he had lost independents in the polls. But they were certain he would win and they accused me of being a Democrat or following the MSM. Well Trump lost and exit polls matched what I had been pointing out to them. He lost independents. And here were are today with a similar accusation. “Ryan voted with President Joe Biden’s stated position 100% of the time in the 117th Congress, according to a FiveThirtyEight analysis.”A statement that lacks context given that we have a divided congress and bills rarely get to his desk. Most Republicans have voted most of the time with Biden. The Democrats can't pass whatever they want so Biden normally signs bipartisan bills. Polls show that Trump needs Biden to run. He loses to practically any Democrat. He may have die-hard fans but moderates and independents win swing states. I commend the guy on being strong in this assassination attempt but it isn't going to change my opinion of him. I view him as NYC Democrat and real estate con. I would like new candidates. Trump allows for the worst case scenario which is another 4 years for Biden. Anyone like Cruz handily beats Biden in the polls. That doesn't mean I like Cruz. I just would like a reset from both parties and I really don't want Biden. I'll take a border collie over Biden. Update on the shooter: Antifa dork.
https://nypost.com/2024/07/13/us-news/thomas-matthew-crooks-idd-as-gunman-who-shot-trump-during-pa-rally/Replies: @Roderick Spode, @Reg Cæsar, @Colin Wright
Antifa, or Lincoln Project?
https://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/politics/looks-like-they-may-have-the-correct-thomas-matthew-crooks/114105145/Any MSM hope of a Republican shooter will be gone.Replies: @CalCooledge, @Anon, @Jack D
I agree with you except for this:
It has nothing to do with money. The media are mouthpieces for the wealthy and powerful interests that mostly run the World. They are demonizing Trump for the purpose of effecting certain policy outcomes, not for profit.
So ... yes, it's not about them getting more money, it's about how to gain power with money. Same goes for sponsoring of academia, NGO's, (local) governements. People will not 'do the right thing' beause of fear of their income (of course, many of them do not even know what 'the right thing' is).
Looking at his Tweets, this Dr. Phil Metzger appears to be associated with NASA and seems to believe the Moon landings were real. He should use his photo analysis skills and look at the Apollo photos that were clearly fake.
This guy saying the photos is real makes me think it is actually fake, especially given who the photo is credited to.
The Caste Football cretin is just brain-dead stupid.
https://compote.slate.com/images/07a6bf38-f602-46ca-97a7-3911882be8f7.jpegReplies: @anonymous, @Belle Pepper, @Currahee
This photo is part of a telling video of the shooting. Trump dropped down as soon as he realized he was being shot at. Then the SS agents came rushing in to get Trump off of the stage. The first action they did was to stand him upright on his feet making his head a target again. They hemmed him in to hold him in place so they could “walk” him off the platform upright. Not one of them ever even attempted to shield his head all this time although they knew Trump’s head was the target and vulnerable to be shot at again. They couldn’t know how many other snipers might be out in the area just waiting for another opportunity. Trump may wear a bullet proof vest, but from now on, his head should have protection, too.
Agree that it was weird they stood him up so quickly. They left an open spot that was in the direction of the shooter and filled it with a 5'6" female agent.
Trump's Luck is very much a real thing.Replies: @Nicholas Stix, @Gandydancer
Trump’s a big guy and refused to scurry under cover. If you watch the video he gives them orders and tells them to wait. The iconic photos were made possible by Trump being situationally aware of the political and historic significance of the moment. He used his strength and bulk to stand straight up in plain view to show the world he is in fight mode, despite the by-the-book flight protocol the SS agents were trying to execute. It was fortunate the SS agents gave some leeway to Trump and didn’t try to immediately brute force him off the stage.Replies: @Mike Tre, @Harry Baldwin, @TWS
Can you post those?
https://twitter.com/MatthewKeysLive/status/1812343132031426582Replies: @John Johnson, @Bill Jones
Antifa, or Lincoln Project?
Antifa.
They are known to vote in Republican primaries.
He is already associated with numerous Antifa groups.
No false flag or conspiracy.
He has too much of a history.
https://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/politics/looks-like-they-may-have-the-correct-thomas-matthew-crooks/114105145/
Any MSM hope of a Republican shooter will be gone.
I wonder who he was working for. This would have required some serious scouting and planning. How did he know that the Secret Service would not have the roof covered?Replies: @James B. Shearer
What a coincidence.
After the Trump-Biden debate, Musk said “They’re just talking puppets. It was a setup for a switch.”
Then, two days ago it was reported that Musk donated to Trump’s Super PAC all of a sudden. Why is he donating to a “talking puppet?”
And now after this assassination attempt Musk fully endorses Trump.
Trump just got reinstated on Facebook too.
Seems like Musk knows something we don’t about who’s going to be installed as the next “talking puppet” President, don’t you think?
There’s no sex like just-survived-assassination-attempt-sex. Best ever!
https://rarebookcellar.cdn.bibliopolis.com/pictures/143918.jpg?width=768&height=1000&fit=bounds&auto=webp&v=1613604590
I apologize for dawdling with respect to failure to post yesterday - and now Mr. Kennett (and perhaps others) has stolen some of my thunder by first mentioning makeup sex. One should hope that your President has had a goodly number of non-rapey rapprochements following what one might suppose to be many discoveries of exertions outside his marital bed (or beds). These events were limned in a book reviewed by expat John Derbyshire (and surely not read by California's dyslexic governor, Gavin Newsome) and written by Lionel Shriver: "Melania Mania."
-or was I thinking of Sargent Shriver - who founded "Head Shot Start"? Alas, I am more ancient than Joseph Biden - grammar is dreadful - no longer sound like myself and have been compared to a falling-down, blind drunk David Cole/Stein on a very, very, very bad day.
Speaking ill of Gavin, Malibu Klaus Barbie has noted that "Wogs begin at Cali" (yes, I know that writing or uttering "Cali" should be a "hanging offense")
My second-best sex was had in the course of buggering a guards officer. The brave chap did not so much as whimper when I went out with a "bang." Mind you, I had been hiding the salami in Hyde Park - in February - Good God! It makes you proud to be British!
The greatest exhilaration I experienced while making the beast with two backs occurred shortly after being shot at without result in the North-West Frontier. Sadly, that Afghan affair with a cross-dressing Pashtun ended with a "botched withdrawal." Fortunately, a good fellow whom a member of your tribe might call a "Bagel Lancer" tidied things up and settled the hash of the hashish-addled Musselman by rendering him into a human "swish" kebob.
I do hope that Mr. Sailer has been able to occasionally put away his Twittering Machine or what have you and come out of his closet.
As for myself, apart from rarely howling and twittering at the moon (a privilege which comes with membership in the London Spectral Klee Club), I mostly seal myself in what my many detractors call a "Privy of Privilege." As you might imagine, visits to my old haunts are black dog-level depressing.
Giving It My (not very good) Best Shot,
Water Closed ChurchillReplies: @reactionry, @International Jew
https://cdn.theatlantic.com/thumbor/HJMgLmMHodAmdsLAranvlzayH70=/0x0:3751x2110/1952x1098/media/img/mt/2024/07/AP24195803074590/original.jpgReplies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @unintended consequence, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Gordo
What is Glenn Greenwald doing in the Secret Service?
Maybe he's MMA maxxing?
‘Trump shot in the head’.
Reminds me of an old joke.
‘George W. Bush survived an assassination attempt earlier today. A bullet was fired directly into the center of his forehead. It missed his brain by six inches’.
At least John Paul II had sense enough to use the popemobile.Replies: @James N. Kennett, @notbe mk 2
“President” is the answer to the quiz question “What is the most dangerous job in the USA?”
4 KIA out of 45 puts the job way ahead of coal miner, police officer, and stunt pilot.
https://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/politics/looks-like-they-may-have-the-correct-thomas-matthew-crooks/114105145/Any MSM hope of a Republican shooter will be gone.Replies: @CalCooledge, @Anon, @Jack D
His photo is now up. A 20 year old hippy punk from 200 miles south.
I wonder who he was working for. This would have required some serious scouting and planning. How did he know that the Secret Service would not have the roof covered?
One possibility is that he didn't and got lucky (or unlucky depending on your point of view). Nuts do crazy stuff all the time and sometimes just by luck it works out at least for a while. Suppose some police officer had walked up to him when he was wandering around looking vaguely suspicious and asked him what he was doing. And suppose he had answered he was there to shoot Trump and gotten arrested. Then it would have been a minor story soon mostly forgotten.Replies: @Steve Sailer
At least John Paul II had sense enough to use the popemobile.Replies: @James N. Kennett, @notbe mk 2
One weird JFK conspiracy theory is that when the shots rang out in Dallas, a hung over Secret Service agent in the protection car pulled out a M16 to protect the President-except he incompetently already had the safety off and the protection car lurched thus releasing a bullet…which unfortunately hit the President in the head which led to a rather big problem: how to explain this to the American people without getting the Secret Service shut down and everyone losing their jobs. Hence the coverup. This is unlikely to be the true story but if, in fact, true-yes the Secret Service does indeed suck and sucks big time!
Some talking head on FOX* said that Trump wouldn’t get full Secret Service protection until he officially becomes the nominee, which won’t happen until later this week. He already gets some protection as a former President. Add to that the fact that the Biden Administration is going to give him the absolute minimum by law. That all sounds plausible. They may just not have had the personnel to sweep the whole area.
However, according to eye-witnesses interviewed by the BBC, he and other people saw the assassin climb up on to the roof of the nearby factory with a rifle and were calling out to the police and pointing to the guy.
*FOX is so lame. They’ve been showing the same clip for the last eight hours, while Zerohedge has already linked to videos of eye-witness interviews, a picture of the suspected perp dead, and a picture that actually shows the wake of a bullet whizzing past Trump’s head.
Zerohedge is reporting the name of the would-be assassin:
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/trump-bleeding-rushed-stage-after-shots-fired-pennsylvania-rally
https://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/politics/looks-like-they-may-have-the-correct-thomas-matthew-crooks/114105145/Any MSM hope of a Republican shooter will be gone.Replies: @CalCooledge, @Anon, @Jack D
Your guy isn’t 20 years old. Your reputation has taken a hit here, Johnson.
Well one way or another, a great assassination photo-op or not, Trump will still never be allowed to be elected. Even if he gets seventy zillion, swillion, bada-bazillion votes… some Dem, Biden or no, will magically get swazillion plus one, and win. And even if he did “win” “again”, what would change? Nothing. You still will be erased and destroyed, smothered under 100 miles of immigrants.
Face it, we don’t live in an honest republic, and we haven’t for a very very long time. Trump “loses”, Dem “wins”, destructive nonsense continues, stop asking questions.
The moment Trump won the election.
A photograph by Evan Vucci of the Associated Press of a defiant but alive Trump – with blood on his ear and cheek, being rushed off stage by Secret Service agents, fist raised with an American flag in the background – became instantly iconic.
Huh? Alleged shooting? Vice President? The man who posted this is either demented or senile or dementedly senile. Such people are often given access by their caregivers to social media as a form of therapy. Unfortunately, this means they post incoherent ramblings like these but thank God they are kept away from any positions of responsibility.
What did that terminally unhappy crackpot who lived in a stone cottage out in Carmel, California have to say?
Oh, right: “Shine, perishing republic.”
I’m just about out of words for this place, maybe Lou can do it for me……
Hey you remember that song?
By this dude came out of Texas,
His name was Bobby Fuller,
I’ll sing it for ya it went like this:
I fought the law and the law won.
I fought the law, and the Law won.
You’re just dirt.
The only word for you is dirt,
You’re just dirt, that’s the only word that hurts.
Cheap, cheap, cheap, uptown dirt.
Mail that to some ar$ehole in DC for me. Along with all the others, not that it matters, right.
Given the fantastic optics the media will probably try to downplay and ignore it as much as possible.
As for spinning, well the shooter was apparently a Republican…
The Warren Commission Report, to be released tomorrow, says it was a lone gunman, probably someone on Trump’s payroll who was actually working for Putin. Do you get the message, sweetheart? Also, the report has a codicil that recommends the death penalty for anyone who suggests that a Jew was involved.
Donald Trump’s odds of winning the presidency have noticeably shortened overnight on the world’s largest betting exchange (betfair).
~Ralph Waldo EmersonReplies: @Miro23
If he’s elected he’s free to go after the deep state. First get an oath of loyalty from the US military then arrest everyone at Langley.
Considering details about the attempt that have emerged, I think there is more than enough material for a deep state conspiracy…
Have to go to yandex to have a chance to see video of the (presumable) shooter being dragged off by cops, pretty limp and probably dead.
The information war is real, and we are losing.Replies: @James N. Kennett
Yep. Here’s the initial USA Today story, with the headline “Trump removed from stage by Secret Service after loud noises startles [sic] former president, crowd”
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/07/13/donald-trump-removed-from-stage-in-milwaukee-rally-cause-unknown/74395889007/
Their Twitter feed suggests that it took USA Today 3 hours to relay other sources that reported an “assassination attempt” (CNN, AP, Biden), and 4 hours to report the facts themselves.
Perhaps they were being over-cautious because they did not have a reporter at the scene. However, it does give the appearance of deliberate downplay.
good for Oswald then and one should never eat raw pork but a print on the book depository sniper nest matches that of Malcolm Wallace. Malcolm was not only LBJ’s killer for hire, he had no business being in the book depository period let alone in the sniper nest.
Violent BLM/Antifa insurrectionists attacked & (& literally canceled!) legal & peaceful Trump rallies before the 2020 (s)election.
Remember the Black (!) cop who shot an unarmed White (!) woman to death on Jan. 6?
Woke media typically report such events like this —
VIOLENCE ERUPTS AT TRUMP RALLY
— as prosecutors refuse to prosecute.
But media hucksters don’t dare report this hit on Trump like that; their hypocrisy would be too glaring. So Biden now “prays” for Trump as wokesters offer their sincere & heartfelt condolences, while readying to spin Trump’s misfortune to their advantage.
Pushing gun control is an obvious option. But that could backfire if Trump doubled down on protecting the 2nd, which he likely would.
As for me, I can’t tell you how profoundly sad I am as the woke descend into widespread panic.
🙂
One bottom line is we got more gun control under Trump and the initial two year Republican Congress, while we got less gun control under the mirror with Obama's first two years; traitors tend to be more dangerous than enemies. And for facts on the ground with the Supreme Court, gains are meager outside of some Blue hellholes, maybe, and the portents poor.
As of late, his people removed every bit of pro-gun agenda from the platform, it's only mentioned in one sentence with a list of generic things to support. That can't be a good sign.
If reelected, I would expect this near miss with an AR-15!!! experience to result in pushing even harder for gun control. And before the assassin's bullets flew, I doubted the Supreme Court would ever give us relief on "assault weapons" as they declined to do in the session this year for Illinois. After yesterday?? They just aren't keen on fundamental rights, see Murthy v. Missouri gutting freedom of speech and the press.
And remember, he's a pathological narcissist significantly beyond the norm for politicians, so it's all about him, and to the extent he includes his family he can also posit ththeir being under threat.
All in all, for hard core RKBA types who have one justification of the RKBA as a touchstone for political character, the case is even worse today than in 2020 when we declined to vote for him. One reason politicians, especially the GOPe really hate us, we don't reward betrayal and we have long memories. And we refuse to be actively complicit in our destruction.Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Joe Stalin
This is what happens when the secret service are forced to meet diversity quotas. Female US secret service agents fumbling for their handguns with absolutely zero clue of what to do.
https://t.me/llordofwar/363645
https://t.me/s/llordofwar/363645
Combined with make-up sex if the would-be assassin is your partner!
Has to be Kerik.Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @duncsbaby
Yeah . . . Trump s/b taking advice from the guy w/Gore in his handle.
https://twitter.com/SharpFootball/status/1812265909727396107
Outrageous.
https://twitter.com/OAlexanderDK/status/1812269821914169514
The dead shooter's body was on social media while CNN was still saying that "Trump fell" at the rally.
https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/1812267952961699975Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @Anon, @danand, @clifford brown, @James N. Kennett
Policemen covering events like this have probably heard these warnings many times before, and each time they investigate they find that the “guy on the roof with a rifle” is with law enforcement. Of course, they should check out each warning, but eventually laziness will set in.
‘great minds really are big enough to hold two contradictory ideas at the same time. ‘=well said
I hope it's a failure, but the Secret Service is part of the executive branch.Replies: @BB753
Check this out. It’s like he was set up to be shot.
https://twitter.com/hodgetwins/status/1812250157842378931Replies: @BB753
The secret service was totally unimpressive.
The photo at the top of this column is likely to become as famous as the one recording the flag raising on Iwo Jima. You’ve got to admit, Trump knows how to exploit a dramatic moment.
His standing up after being shot and walking to the waiting vehicle while gesturing with his fist is golden symbolism.
They're calling it an "injury" and "incident" and (at worst) a "shooting."Replies: @Fluesterwitz
German corporate media emphasize the killer was a registered Republican. Also that he made a donation to the Democrats, apparently at age 16.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2024/05/trump-biden-assassination-fbi/678476/Replies: @bomag
Thanks.
Juliette Kayyem… Lecturer… at Harvard’s Kennedy School of Government… She has spent over twenty years managing… government responses to major crises in both state and federal government. She is a regular contributor to the Atlantic magazine, and a commentator on CNN.
So deep in the leftist ecosystem that there is no hope for a normal life.
Secret Service Director is a woman. previous job, head of security for Pepsi.
i mean, you do have to cut them some slack. they are jumpy from Joe Biden's dog biting them all day every day.
at least .300 Win Mag had the usual effect on the target's head.Replies: @Fluesterwitz
Larry Johnson does not think the killer used an AR15.
Via Sonar21:
https://sonar21.com/trump-assassinated-but-alive/
At the Budapest Hilton today, a short walk from Prime Minister Orban’s residence:
Met a young couple from Slovenia on the elevator. The husband asked me, in perfect English, what I thought about the attempt on Trump.
I told him things have been so bad and suspicious for the past several years that Americans have lost trust.
He expressed understanding.
Then, as we were exiting the elevator in the lobby, he took the time and care to stop, think, and wish us luck in our election.
We will return on Monday to a country that looks tragic and ridiculous to the rest of the world.
I am embarrassed to be an American…
…But not enough to spoil my fun with my wonderful wife in the very beautiful city that is the heart of her civilization.
Going to hit "pause" on the stoopid intrusive today's-headlines, and ask instead...
Have you ever read Peter Handke's novel "Repetition," his interesting meditation on the differences between German and Slovenian? I had to read it in English, which of course is neither German nor Slovenian, so I'm betting I missed a bunch, but still....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=np5z_yiuhKo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVbtjaWXQVg&list=OLAK5uy_lFbfW_UOra8dYRTa69lxR3fxYjogNtiQw
We’ve just had a preview of the Democrat’s new election slogan following the Biden debacle.
Zerohedge reported,
On July 8th, 2024, Joe Biden said: “We’re done talking about the debate, it’s time to put Trump in a bullseye.”
Simply unbelieveable.
https://twitter.com/MatthewKeysLive/status/1812343132031426582Replies: @John Johnson, @Bill Jones
Did he know he was a registered Republican?
If one is worried about looking like an embarrassment to the rest of the world, then one would not have been voting for Trump in 2016 and 2020 and neither candidate in 2024. In the Republicans had nominated DeSantis this year, the election would be all but over since the election would be a 100% referendum on Biden. But the Republicans decided to keep acting like teenagers throwing a hissy fit.
“Met a young couple from Slovenia on the elevator.”
Going to hit “pause” on the stoopid intrusive today’s-headlines, and ask instead…
Have you ever read Peter Handke’s novel “Repetition,” his interesting meditation on the differences between German and Slovenian? I had to read it in English, which of course is neither German nor Slovenian, so I’m betting I missed a bunch, but still….
I wonder if his MAGA hat is made of Kevlar. I hope he gets some sort of bulletproof popemobile after this.
This time I’ll get you, Cornpop.
https://twitter.com/LizLamb44385395/status/1812305269231169808Replies: @Almost Missouri, @AceDeuce, @Anonymous
Fortunately, the competency crisis is evenly distributed:
The gross negligence (nearly homicidal negligence) of the Secret Service to not secure that roof is one of the main stories here. Is the SS now run by the DEI team?
It’s interesting that some of the same people that celebrated super killer Chris Kyle as a hero , are calling the shooter a coward .
Brennan started tut-tutting, sniffing, "Such inflammatory and divisive language! Well, I never!"
And I immediately recalled that just the other day, *Dr.* Jill Biden said flatly that "Trump is evil" - about as inflammatory and divisive a statement as one can make:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/aOtgGFVaMtE
Did Margaret Brennan rush to the airwaves to condemn Dr. Jill's inflammatory and divisive language against her husband's main political opponent? Somehow I doubt it.
Thank God Trump survived the attack. If the shot had been just an inch closer to the target he might very well have ended up as another RFK Sr.Replies: @MGB, @Bill Jones
On July 8th, 2024, Joe Biden said: “We’re done talking about the debate, it’s time to put Trump in a bullseye.”
Sorry. Ukraine is still doomed. Side with a winner next time
That could be an easy head-shot, but it would take skill and a pricey AR.
A mid-range bolt action rifle would be more accurate. You get fewer shots before the secret service kills you, but you'd be more accurate.
That said, the Secret Service dropped the ball if someone was able to gain roof access that close to the event.Replies: @Hunsdon, @John Johnson
Dude, a low tier AR like a PSA or a Poverty Pony Anderson could make that shot. 2-300 yards from braced prone is a gimme.
Also, how long before the Left starts making t-shirts and bumper stickers proclaiming Crooks a hero? They’re probably already selling on eBay.
(On second thought, after seeing his picture, no t-shirts for Crooks. No one is going to make a hero out of a pasty-white white guy with a mug like that.)Replies: @Sean, @CalCooledge
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attempted_assassination_of_Donald_Trump
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/live-blog/trump-biden-rnc-election-live-updates-rcna161404#rcrd45880
https://twitter.com/LizLamb44385395/status/1812305269231169808Replies: @Almost Missouri, @AceDeuce, @Anonymous
This is what I don’t understand. This wasn’t Midtown Manhattan, the Loop in Chicago, (or Elm Street in Dallas, for that matter.) This was basically the only roof in proximity. Some single story building housing “Uncle Goober’s General Store, Chili Dog Parlor, and Wedding Chapel”.
The secret service-they don’t deserve caps-is a joke. Some mannish looking woman running it. Women and non-Whites running (ruining) everything and 95% are as worthless as schitt on a stick, except for some Asians. some of whom are no doubt anti-White/Anti-USA.
This country’s pronouns are “was/were”.
That NYT photo of the speeding bullet?
He was shot in the right ear, but that photo shows his left side!
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/14/us/politics/photo-path-trump-assassination.html
I think it’s hilarious that each side is going to try to pin this guy on the other side – He’s antifa, no he’s a gun nut, he donated $15 to the Biden campaign, no he’s a registered Republican. He’s a homo, a tranny, a child molester, a Jesus freak, etc.
My prediction is that his guy was a lone wolf/ nut case and therefore it’s stupid (not politically – politically it’s shrewd) to try to associate him with any particular cause, especially not based on what shirt he was wearing.
Another thing that doesn’t sit right with me is all the fat women secret service agents running around without a clue, more concerned about putting on their sun glasses to look cool. We don’t need DEI hires protecting the former President!
-RoosterReplies: @dearieme
Anyone who’s read a Jack Reacher novel knows you have to have a couple of men on each roof that allows a clear shot from less than 500 yards, or thereabouts, at the intended victim.
So what on earth was the Secret Service thinking of?
https://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/politics/looks-like-they-may-have-the-correct-thomas-matthew-crooks/114105145/Any MSM hope of a Republican shooter will be gone.Replies: @CalCooledge, @Anon, @Jack D
The guy in that profile looks nothing like the shooter. Stop grasping at straws and let the dust settle.
He was shot in the right ear, but that photo shows his left side!
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/14/us/politics/photo-path-trump-assassination.htmlReplies: @anon
Something is seriously wrong with that picture. Trump was definitely shot through the right ear. He wears the flag lapel pin on his left side. My guess is the photo was enhanced with photoshop. Or maybe its me…ha.
I hope Trump reaches out to and takes care of the family of the guy who was killed. And visits the injured.
Make sure to talk about the dead guy as a patriot, and this being an attack on all of us American patriots--not just talk about Donald J. Trump.
Sad to say but this is a great opportunity for Trump to take the ego thing straight on and show it's not just about Trump, but about Americans.Replies: @OilcanFloyd
He may not be able to do that.
Yeah, when the deep state put out an ad for a shooter, two applicants showed up. One was a professional hit man with a long record of successful killings –could shoot the eyes off a fly from 500 yards away–, and the other applicant was a tranny. The deep state guys said “let’s go with the tranny.”
Balls and a Brain.
It’s not like he’s been demonized.
https://twitter.com/newrepublic/status/1810009748697448541/photo/1
Here’s the best dissection of the ShitLib Media coverage.
https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/special-bulletin-america-teeters
Simplicius is very good on Russia too.
I said the same thing, this is like when Vince McMahon got blown up in his limousine after a WWE event. Also the fact the shooter was able to gain access, climb onto the roof of a building less than 200 yards away from a presidential candidate is very suspect. The average Tom Clancy reader would have known the risk areas/vantage points to be watched/guarded before this rally. Also the timing of Biden being asked to step aside by his own party, and then this happens, makes me suspicious.
I was working at an event in Central Park when the Pope visited NYC. We could see the snipers preparing on the roofs of buildings surrounding the park hours before the Pope actually drove thru.
What are you saying? The shooter was a Presbyterian or Dutch Reformed?
https://twitter.com/202accepted/status/1812308235464118392
https://twitter.com/robbystarbuck/status/1812372526451789864Replies: @CalCooledge, @Goddard
“we need mass firings or arrests”.
The gross negligence (nearly homicidal negligence) of the Secret Service to not secure that roof is one of the main stories here. Is the SS now run by the DEI team?
https://twitter.com/202accepted/status/1812308235464118392
https://twitter.com/robbystarbuck/status/1812372526451789864Replies: @CalCooledge, @Goddard
I smell treachery and incompetence. A rat hides in Trump’s Secret Service team. This rat conspires with Thomas Matthew Crook, the shooter, for example by having that ladder conveniently set up on the side of the building from whose rooftop Crook takes the shots. The rest of the team, good people but incompetent, miss the warning signs.
Life moves fast.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GSZ6D5jXQAAmGSP?format=jpg&name=large
It is definitely an iconic picture that will stand the test of time like Iwo Jima. Trump just won but IMO he had already been Selected to win.
I hate the destruction of the meaning of the word "meme" (it should be reserved for things more like "Where's the beef?!"), which will no doubt be applied to this image, but it's clearly instantly iconic.
Trump reacted quickly for a 77 year old.
Quicker than the Secret Service did.
My guess is they ain’t as competent as they should be.
You never can tell what you or anyone will do in dangerous situations.
My prediction is that his guy was a lone wolf/ nut case and therefore it's stupid (not politically - politically it's shrewd) to try to associate him with any particular cause, especially not based on what shirt he was wearing.Replies: @J.Ross, @Jonathan Mason, @Colin Wright
He’s literally wearing a shirt affiliated with gun-owning leftist demonstrators. I’m not sure how clearer this could be.
Is this your MO? To ask civics 101 questions about the history and/or operations of the United States and to do so with an incredulous tone?
A more appropriate question would be to ask why the media don’t highlight it.
But point well taken.
You‘re aware that Trump has been wearing Depends for years, right? It’s hardly a closely guarded secret. Making diaper jokes when an incontinent man has just been shot is in bad taste.
I picked up a detail in the news reporting (by the London Daily Mail) that should not pass unnoticed:
“Special Agent Kevin Rojek, the FBI officer in charge, said Crooks had been identified using DNA as he was not carrying any ID on him.”
Why did they have his DNA on file? Had he committed a prior offence allowing it to be entered into a government database? Possibly, but more likely it confirms what most of us have long suspected: in the interests of “keeping us safe,” the government has infiltrated every possible depository of information that is supposed to be kept private, including the raw DNA data held by testing services such as 23andme and MyHeritage. And, given enough data and computing power, it’s not difficult to reconstruct any pedigree desired. The intelligence agencies invented the term “Total Information Awareness” some time ago, and in our naive simplicity, we are reluctant to believe that they really, really mean total.
https://www.caclubindia.com/assets/maxwell-yearick/
Given Yearick's arrest record, it's not unlikely that the analysis would be on file. Can Mr. Yearick be found, to allow him to state an opinion?
Maybe you should have cogitated about the second statement before emitting the first.
The shooter was in the open and had line of sight to Trump, so the dozing Secret Service sharpshooters presumably had line of sight back to him. There was a SS sniper visible behind Trump and higher up and presumably others. Plus the witness who claims to have been pointing out the sniper when he was crawling on the roof said he say the guys head get “blown off”. So, no, it wasn’t a suicide and you need to question why it “looked” that way to you.
I’ve never been much for conspiracy theories and still assume a lone Oswald shot JFK, but this event really strains credibility. How could the Secret Service not overwatch the few roofs with a shot at the podium? And the witness says he was crawling there with his rifle in sight for a few minutes, so it sounds like there was plenty of time to see him and he couldn’t even have been mistaken for another agent, which anyway ought not have been possible. Hey, a DEI hire
CapitolKeystone Cop SERGEANT demonstrably incapable of following trigger safety or self-defense protocols or even keeping track of his gun when he went to the bathroom shot Ashli Babbitt, so we already knew that the rot was running pretty deep, but this is beyond that.Those Secret Service snipers on the roof, the ones who probably took out Crooks, will be fired, and possibly prosecuted. The video shows they had Crooks in their sights—and didn’t shoot until Crooks had started shooting.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GSZ6D5jXQAAmGSP?format=jpg&name=largeReplies: @Trinity, @Gandydancer
I immediately thought of the t shirts depicting the firemen and the flag on 9-11. Those t shirt stands lined highway 60 from Brandon to Tampa, Fla within a couple days along with other shirts, but I remember buying that one and it looked to be the best seller. The damn cheap thing started fading after a few washings. Opportunistic shysters, man. Fool me once…….
It is definitely an iconic picture that will stand the test of time like Iwo Jima. Trump just won but IMO he had already been Selected to win.
My prediction is that his guy was a lone wolf/ nut case and therefore it's stupid (not politically - politically it's shrewd) to try to associate him with any particular cause, especially not based on what shirt he was wearing.Replies: @J.Ross, @Jonathan Mason, @Colin Wright
Sorry. Thick finger. I agree with the comment.
Biden wouldn’t have flinched.
Probably true. Biden never has a clue what’s going on around him. Maybe he would have turned to look for someone to shake hands with.
It's good news for those of us that would like new candidates.
The majority of Americans.Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Gandydancer
The majority of Republicans don’t want a new candidate. Trump actually had primaries, and his support is up since then. So don’t lie.
You now have to sign up for X to see current tweets. Otherwise you get random ones from several years which don’t seem to change.
Just reading the early life and career of Ryan’s Wiki profile makes him look like one of the most Deep State SOBs in Congress.
I never said I was a fan of the guy.
But he is a better Democrat than Biden.
He is part of the NYC Democrats that don't support Biden's open borders.
NYC's social services are currently being stretched by all the new arrivals.
Democrats support illegal immigration when it goes to other states.Replies: @Reg Cæsar
Thoughts on Assassination Porn from Victor Davis Hanson: https://twitter.com/VDHanson/status/1812434677312983429
“So since at least 2016 there has been a parlor game among Leftist celebrities and entertainers joking (one hopes), dreaming, imagining, and just talking about the various and graphic ways they would like to assassinate or seriously injure Trump:
By slugging his face (Robert De Niro), by decapitation (Kathy Griffin, Marilyn Manson), by stabbing (Shakespeare in the Park), by clubbing (Mickey Rourke), by shooting ( Snoop Dogg), by poisoning (Anthony Bourdain), by bounty killing (George Lopez), by carrion eating his corpse (Pearl Jam), by suffocating (Larry Whilmore), by blowing him up (Madonna, Moby), by throwing him over a cliff (Rosie O’Donnell), just by generic “killing” him (Johnny Depp, Big Sean), or by martyring him (Reid Hoffman: “Yeah, I wish I had made him an actual martyr.”).”
It’s true. The CIA had better marksmen in 1963.
This could have been a message to Trump from the Deep State.
https://substack.com/home/post/p-146589054?r=1c8mlb&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
Maybe I see a streak. The ellipse seems a bit too low for the wound, however..
They could have blocked the roof’s line of sight with the bleachers. They probably will in the future.
It’s the name of a ‘stunt’ condiment, like various “extreme” hot sauces, called Demolition Ranch (salad dressing), which has become something of a meme condiment on ‘dirtbag left’ message boards like Angie’s List and J.D. Power.
https://www.youtube.com/user/DemolitionRanch
How hard was that?Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
Bolsonaro was supposedly attacked by a brown and mentally ill man with a knife during the presidential race in 2018 here in Brazil. Many people on the Left, including myself, a non leftist progressivist, believed and still believe the attack was forged by Brazilian “far right” to create a martyrdom apparatus for Bozo victory. He won that election also because his opponents were kinda bleh, specially of “Workers Party”, people nicknamed as Lula’s puppet.
As to the insinuation, I think we can be pretty sure that Trump didn't invite some barely trained lunatic to shoot a bullet through his ear from well over 100 yards away in order to "create a martyrdom apparatus" for any purpose whatsoever, particularly given the fact that Biden is already toast and that the chances of Trump actually getting martyred would be significant. You are deranged.Replies: @Santoculto
Babylon Bee on fire this morning:
Does this prove Trump won in 2020?
[Source: obscure symbolism in my dreams.]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curse_of_Tippecanoe
It really does look like the will of God. A shooter tries to take out Trump; the bullet could actually kill him, or it could miss completely, but no — it just barely nicks him. Like, he’ll be able to show people the scar at cocktail parties for years to come.
Then he thinks to get right to his feet and pump his fist — with the American flag waving in the background. Everything there is set up to put him so far ahead the Democrats will never be able to fake a win.
Definitely not the security that killed the bystander. It may have been the bullet that went through his ear that killed the audience member. The sniper was not firing straight on at Trump, and he was moving his head looking to the sides while talking. I think it was a hairsbreadth miss; given the limited time it was really good shooting. The security was not bad really. Always a big problem guarding someone while they are campaigning.
Wars are fought by men barely in their twenties. The would be assassin was a mere 20 years old and slim, hence with the l agility to quickly get on that roof after it had been checked and after Trump started speaking, he prolly expected to be spotted but though they were looking for him he using the slope for concealment until he had a line of sight on the Donald, whereupon Crooks had mere seconds as his head was skylined on the apex.
He was fearless because he must have known he’d be killed seconds after opening fire from such an exposed position. That gave him an edge over the security professionals who for all their training and equipment were ponderous and thinking of someone pre placed and firing from inside a building (and hence with a exit plan). Crooks was all different, in there like a rat up a drainpipe and did it knowing he was going to die.
If you see somebody noting that Kimberly Cheatle, current head of the Secret Service, was before this gig the boss of security at PepsiCo, inform him that before Pepsi she was in the Secret Service for 27 years and was a station chief.
Remembering having to use surface streets because King Obama traveled in an imperial entourage and effectively closed the freeway when he visited. An anon describing Secret Service demand access to buildimgs becayse King Obama would be flying over them (in a plane).
Notice that Trump's campaign schedule is crazy, crazy for a man of his age, but must also be very difficult for security checking every new location. I don't think there's been another candidate recently going back to 2015 who campaigns as hard and as frequently as he does.Replies: @anonymous
Trump said: ” It is incredible that something like this could happen in this country”.
Biden said that such an event was “unheard of”.
To me it is entirely credible and entirely heard of.
Is this not the same country where there have been numerous mass shootings in schools in the last few years, usually carried out by disturbed young men?
Is this not the same country whose weapon manufacturers and arms dealers have been supplying Haitian, Mexican, and South American criminal gangs with heavy-duty weapons and ammunition that have been used to assasinate numerous politicians in the hemisphere?
Is this something that ever gets discussed in cabinet meetings that both Trump and Biden have plenty of experience of?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjoayhXnmk4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-Hve7Vqx1A
Return back to the UK and restablish residency and ENJOY the gun control there, where even the AIR GUNS have power limits.
Don’t know what they do now, but in the Marine Corps, it used to be part of the rifle qualification was 10 rounds prone at 500 yards-with iron sights, on a B-Mod type target with a head/torso shaped bullseye, 40″ high by 20″ wide.
Democracy doesn't die in the darkness. Democracy dies in the media spotlight.
https://twitter.com/austin_rief/status/1812259887940096276
https://twitter.com/alexkehr/status/1812272157671686234Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @Mike Conrad, @TWS, @notbe mk 2, @Almost Missouri
“Secret Service rushes Trump off stage…” and “Trump escorted away…” is way beyond the level of any totalitarian state disinformation and falsity-our everyday media are less dedicated to describing what happened and what is going on than the Reichsministerium of Public Enlightenment and Propaganda and TASS ever were.
Bizarre that such a thing could actually happen without the existence of a formal censorship bureau but it has happened-21st century western media is not only beyond contempt but one wonders if they are able to describe an assassination attempt with fatal casualties in such a way what else they manipulate.
https://archive.org/details/CNNW_20240713_220000_CNN_Newsroom/start/720/end/1080Fox:
https://archive.org/details/FOXNEWSW_20240713_210000_Fox_News_Democracy_2024/start/4320/end/4680MSNBC:
https://archive.org/details/MSNBCW_20240713_220000_The_Saturday_Show_with_Jonathan_Capehart/start/780/end/1140It's striking that CNN cut away from the live video feed almost immediately, even before Trump was rushed off the stage. Their political "analyst" even made a gratuitous January 6 reference within mere seconds of the shooting.The MSNBC news drones were chattering on about God-kn0ws-what but managed to switch gears just in time to see a bloodied Trump shaking his fist in defiance.For some reason the MSNBC news anchor's delayed response reminded me of Peter Jennings on 9/11. When the first tower collapsed he wasn't even looking at the monitor, and even after the control room cued up a replay he didn't seem to realize precisely what was happening."The whole side has collapsed?""The whole building has collapsed!"The whole BUILDING has collapsed?"The timestamp is 1:07:39:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwiM_R9MR2M#t=1h07m39s
You are all missing the essential point: and AR15 shot Trump.
Wars are fought by men barely in their twenties. The would be assassin was a mere 20 years old and slim, hence with the l agility to quickly get on that roof after it had been checked and after Trump started speaking, he prolly expected to be spotted but though they were looking for him he using the slope for concealment until he had a line of sight on the Donald, whereupon Crooks had mere seconds as his head was skylined on the apex.
He was fearless because he must have known he'd be killed seconds after opening fire from such an exposed position. That gave him an edge over the security professionals who for all their training and equipment were ponderous and thinking of someone pre placed and firing from inside a building (and hence with a exit plan). Crooks was all different, in there like a rat up a drainpipe and did it knowing he was going to die.Replies: @J.Ross, @John Johnson, @Jack D, @Anon
Agree. Speculations on security failure:
If you see somebody noting that Kimberly Cheatle, current head of the Secret Service, was before this gig the boss of security at PepsiCo, inform him that before Pepsi she was in the Secret Service for 27 years and was a station chief.
Remembering having to use surface streets because King Obama traveled in an imperial entourage and effectively closed the freeway when he visited. An anon describing Secret Service demand access to buildimgs becayse King Obama would be flying over them (in a plane).
Notice that Trump’s campaign schedule is crazy, crazy for a man of his age, but must also be very difficult for security checking every new location. I don’t think there’s been another candidate recently going back to 2015 who campaigns as hard and as frequently as he does.
The Demolition Ranch t-shirt isn’t associated with homosexuality and Heyer’s chest was crushed and her aorta torn out of her heart when she was struck head-on by Fields’ Challenger. Now do your “the Holocaust didn’t happen” bit.
I was not real surprised by this shooting. The left has been talking about killing Trump for years.
https://static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2018/09/Kathy-griffin-trump_TylerShields.jpgReplies: @AnotherDad
That picture–like so many others–says it well.
We are simply separate nations.
There are some of us–“Americans”–who are happy living our productive normie lives with our traditional normie norms in our communities and our nation–without apology. We know that individuals and ethnic groups and races differ and that’s ok. And we know the two sexes differ in their respective strengths and interests and that’s ok. And we wish to build and enjoy our families and leave our communities and nations to them.
Then there are the “Rainbows” … the minoritarian whiners, the immigrationist loons, the rainbow fag people, all the “ism” “victims” …
I sure as hell don’t need them–all they produce is nonsense, lies and destruction. And they claim they don’t need us.
Let’s just go our separate ways.
https://twitter.com/DefiantLs/status/1809286118871007650
2024 is getting to be like 2016, when seemingly every event had a dual Trump/iSteve angle.Replies: @Pixo
Low blow there upon Crowman. He’s obviously better read and wittier than Stancil, who is an HR drone idiot at heart blocked from his true calling by his pale pancil.
If his entry to the MN house is blocked by Somali migrants, we may see him troon-out and secure the position of Inclusive Peoples Director at N Ramsey Community College.
For example, why does Stancil, who is running for state representative for a district in Minnesota that probably has no more than two iSteve readers, a trivial constituency, spend so much time online arguing with Steve on Twitter? Stancil's campaign manager, if any, is probably pulling xir hair out: "Why TF are you tweeting at Sailer again? Your %$@# voters are here in Minnesota, not online on Twitter!" But then Stancil is back to prosecuting his online grievances.
Maybe the solution to the mystery is that Stancil's been here arguing with Sailer & Co. on his alt account for years, and he really wants to show everyone up by winning an election. So he's not arguing online to justify his election; he's running in an election to justify his perpetual online arguing.
I mean, your mental image of Corvinus is probably basically Stancil already, you just haven't gotten around to making the final step.
https://nypost.com/2024/07/13/us-news/thomas-matthew-crooks-idd-as-gunman-who-shot-trump-during-pa-rally/
thomas matthew crooks
every single time
https://twitter.com/LizLamb44385395/status/1812305269231169808Replies: @Almost Missouri, @AceDeuce, @Anonymous
Incidentally, not to go too far down the rabbit hole, but…
Anyone remember that old Costas-Gravas flick, Betrayed?
Remember how the shooter is set up, then killed immediately after he takes his shot or as he’s going to?
Does sound pretty awesome–for “current year”.
I’d imagine the “just elected President” sex was and will be pretty darn good as well.
All this, of course, is merely shadowing the “I have slain my enemies and now possess” sex of days of yore … with perhaps more comfortable bedding.
I’ve seen Biden’s decision to not provide SS protection excused according to RFKJr not meeting criteria set by Obama in an Executive Order which, so far as I know, Biden hasn’t changed. But presumably he could, so it’s his (or whoever is pulling his strings’) responsibility. Responsibility for executing the Executive Order (it’s not a law, I believe) goes through the Secret Service and Homeland Security. And the decision to provide it goes back to the assassination of RFK, I believe.
BTW, the stuff that they are saying on the MSM (implicitly in an effort to minimize what just happened (more below) is as bizarre as any Men of Unz comments. This morning I watched CBS news and they said that Trump’s ear had either been grazed by a bullet OR CUT BY FLYING GLASS. Say what? What glass? There was no glass in the vicinity. Then 5 seconds later, in a complete disconnect, they actually showed a photo where you could see the streak of the actual bullet headed for Trump’s head (no glass was harmed in the making of this shot).
Why are they doing this? Obviously they don’t want Trump to be a hero, a martyr, etc. It’s just a little paper cut – I get these all the time when I drop a glass in the kitchen. I fall to the floor and then I get up and pump my fist. Happens all the time. No big deal. Nothing to see here folks.
Nor do they want this shooting associated with Biden’s recent remarks about how we should put Trump in a bullseye. You can only imagine the media treatment if it was Biden who had come within a cm. of having his brains blown out.
Trump is the luckiest sonofabitch on earth. At the very moment of the shot, he turned his head and this caused the shot to miss. The shooter was apparently good enough to aim one shot on target but not good enough to regain his sights afterward before he was taken out.
The Day of the Jackal (1973) | Final Assassination Scene
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQkBwYWgtLchttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Day_of_the_Jackal_(film)Replies: @mc23, @Pixo, @MEH 0910
And of course they're ready to pull Trump down -- as they should be. But does it really fit that they were apparently just daydreaming on a hot summer afternoon up until the shot?
This entire last year, they've been pitching the "Trump is an old man in mental decline" angle, to try and cover for Biden's obvious actual incapacity.
Back on planet earth, Trump is obviously in the top 5 or 10% in vigor or energy for people his age (78). Biden is ... alive, which is better than most Americans at near 82. But my parents were in a nice UMC retirement facility near AnotherBrother's and my homes here in the Seattle burbs and Biden--even in the public appearances they presumably juice him for--seems much worse than my parents at that age or their friends whom we'd dine and chat with. Biden strikes me as now as a borderline "assisted living" candidate. Someone close to unfit for taking care of himself independently. And that's who the Parasite Party is running for President.
Jesus loves Trump.
Just reading the early life and career of Ryan’s Wiki profile makes him look like one of the most Deep State SOBs in Congress.
I never said I was a fan of the guy.
But he is a better Democrat than Biden.
He is part of the NYC Democrats that don’t support Biden’s open borders.
NYC’s social services are currently being stretched by all the new arrivals.
Democrats support illegal immigration when it goes to other states.
He didn’t fall. He dropped. As someone almost his age who has fallen (though I was able to break my fall) I can tell you there’s a big difference.
Also, far too many female Secret Service agents, get them out of there, fire their diversity hire asses, send a message that it’s a man’s job to do that sort of work. We need white women out there making babies and being good wives—not getting shot at. Dads, stop raising these you can have it all girls, stop the lies and fantasies and delusions, instead keep making babies until you get a son. Train him to be a man, not your daughter!
And yet the shooter had nothing to do with those gangs. If the cartels didn’t buy AR’s, they would buy Kalishnikovs. You are not going to un-invent the gun and even if you do, I just read about a couple of murders in the UK where the shooter used a crossbow. Does the UK need crossbow control?
Well, you can kill people at close range with many different types of weapon, for example kitchen knives, rolling pins, hammers, etc. (I believe the 1980's mass murder known as the Yorkshire Ripper used a ball-and-pein hammer.)
But that is not the point. The point I made was that is was rather odd that both Trump and Biden expressed surprise that such a thing (the attemtped shooting of Trump with a high-powered rifle from a rooftop) could happen in the USA.
BBC News is reporting that apparently the weapon used in Butler, Pennsylvania was legally purchased by the father of the would-be assassin (don't know when). Shows that you need to safely lock up weapons and that even so, you cannot trust members of your own family with the location of the key.
*Crossbows are legal in the UK under the Crossbows Act 1987.
however, it is illegal:
for under-18s to own or buy one
for under-21s to shoot one, unless under the supervision of someone older
for owners to rent or lend one to anyone else
to shoot one in a public space or any private place without permission
While being transported, a crossbow must be kept in a condition in which it cannot be fired.
The legislation applies to all crossbows with a "draw weight" - the force needed to pull the bow into anchor position - of 1.4kg (3lb) or more.
The maximum penalty for the sale or hire of a crossbow to anyone under 18 is six months’ imprisonment or a fine.
If a person is found with a crossbow in a public place, they could be prosecuted under the Offensive Weapons Act for possessing an offensive weapon in a public area, which carries a maximum sentence of four years' imprisonment.
The Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981 also prohibits using crossbows for hunting.
In Scotland, separate legislation makes it illegal to be drunk in a public place in possession of a crossbow.
You can have a crossbow in a public place if you have "a reasonable explanation" for example you are reenacting a William Tell drama, or something like that, but if you are planning on taking one to a soccer game, well, good luck if you are questioned by police.
Wars are fought by men barely in their twenties. The would be assassin was a mere 20 years old and slim, hence with the l agility to quickly get on that roof after it had been checked and after Trump started speaking, he prolly expected to be spotted but though they were looking for him he using the slope for concealment until he had a line of sight on the Donald, whereupon Crooks had mere seconds as his head was skylined on the apex.
He was fearless because he must have known he'd be killed seconds after opening fire from such an exposed position. That gave him an edge over the security professionals who for all their training and equipment were ponderous and thinking of someone pre placed and firing from inside a building (and hence with a exit plan). Crooks was all different, in there like a rat up a drainpipe and did it knowing he was going to die.Replies: @J.Ross, @John Johnson, @Jack D, @Anon
Wars are fought by men barely in their twenties.
Sure but that has nothing to do with this shooting. That is also the age where men look for identity and meaning.
Our tri-annual lunatic shooters tend to be 18-24 year old White males that are socially dejected.
They feel like they have nothing to live for and seek attention in some final act of rage.
That gave him an edge over the security professionals who for all their training and equipment were ponderous and thinking of someone pre placed and firing from inside a building (and hence with a exit plan).
Nah this was a lapse in security. The shooter was an amateur.
He was only 133 yards from the president and there were people trying to alert the authorities.
This will be another Uvalde situation. Multiple people screwed up even though they trained for this moment for years. Do not trust your security to the Feds. They do not believe in hiring based on merit. The Federal government rejected merit based hiring under Nixon.
It happened on March 6, 1961 a mere 7 weeks after the anti White racist physically crippled drug addled pain killer addict president Kennedy became president
Kennedy’s executive order 10925 affirmative action for negros Quickly followed by communist Jewish women then anything and everything but native born American White men.
It was the hero of the gullible Men of Unz who first used the words affirmative action to hire negros. Not that the drug addled JFK wrote executive order 10925. That was written by his Jewish handler SC Justice Goldberg
Why do you think a far higher percentage of Jews voted for John Kennedy than the most chauvinistic Catholics?Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Gandydancer
At this point the most likely suspect is anyone any everyone who referred to Trump’s perfectly reasonable, mainstream political positions – border security, election security, fewer wars abroad, etc. – as “Far Right.”
Because demonizing its opponents and exploiting racial division is the only way the Left knows how to win. They don’t mind the consequences of their language. They assassinated Pim Fortuyn in the Netherlands 22 years ago, they shot up a Republican baseball practice, they tried to shoot up the Family Research Council, they tried to kill Brett Kavanaugh. They don’t care.
My deep condolences to the families who have loved ones who were killed or injured in this assassination attempt. The statesman like thing to do for Biden at this point, and it would the most politically advantageous thing to do, is for Biden to announce that he is having all federal criminal charges against Trump dropped, and formally request that New York and Georgia do the same with the state criminal charges.
Biden can say he is doing this in an attempt to reduce the political violence and rhetoric, and it would mitigate the popular vote total boost Trump is going to get from this attack. None of the cases have hurt Trump and, in fact, have made him more popular. They have only hurt the Democratic Party, and if they aren’t dropped, it is going to get even worse for them.
The Florida and Georgia cases fell apart a long time ago, and Trump is well on his way to being completely vindicated and exonerated of those charges. The Washington DC case has been torpedoed by the US Supreme Court rulings, and has collapsed. The New York case has also been torpedoed by the US Supreme Court immunity ruling, specifically the presumption of immunity. Merchan will likely have to declare a mistrial and even if he doesn’t the appeals court is going to have to do so. The end result eventually will be all 34 felony convictions will be overturned and those felonies will be expunged.
Hopefully someone in the Democratic Party that Jill Biden listens to can see all this and advise her.
Wars are fought by men barely in their twenties. The would be assassin was a mere 20 years old and slim, hence with the l agility to quickly get on that roof after it had been checked and after Trump started speaking, he prolly expected to be spotted but though they were looking for him he using the slope for concealment until he had a line of sight on the Donald, whereupon Crooks had mere seconds as his head was skylined on the apex.
He was fearless because he must have known he'd be killed seconds after opening fire from such an exposed position. That gave him an edge over the security professionals who for all their training and equipment were ponderous and thinking of someone pre placed and firing from inside a building (and hence with a exit plan). Crooks was all different, in there like a rat up a drainpipe and did it knowing he was going to die.Replies: @J.Ross, @John Johnson, @Jack D, @Anon
No it was horrible. There are several witness who say that they spotted the shooter on the roof several minutes before and tried to get the attention of the police and they were ignored.
The rooftop in question was around 100 yards from where Trump was speaking. This rooftop should have been protected. They should have had someone up on every rooftop within range.
Then when Trump was take to his limo he was surrounded by incompetent fat females. One couldn’t find her own holster. The other played with her sunglasses.
Even their efforts to surround the President were incompetent. These fist pumping photos are iconic – they may be the thing that wins the election for Trump. But in truth, there could have been more shooters. If Trump’s head was visible to photographers he was also visible to shooters. Trump is (or was) 6’3″ tall. His bodyguards should all be 6’4″ or better. America has no shortage of enormous black men, washed out NFL players, etc. They guard a quarterback better than these clowns guarded the President.
I'm not in the protection business, but it seems like it should have been SOP for the Secret Service to mount an overwatch by personnel on top of every building within shooting range of the stage. That would have given them more eyes to scan the audience and, as a bonus, denied the would-be assassin access to a rooftop position.Replies: @trevor
Here’s the T-shirt.
https://shop.dissenter.com/product/fight-for-freedom-t-shirt-19
Now for something funny, China Speed:
‘Fight, fight fight,’ Trump attack T-shirts put up for sale in China within hours
https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/world/fight-fight-fight-trump-attack-t-shirts-put-up-for-sale-in-china-within-hours/ar-BB1pX6I4
We are simply separate nations.
There are some of us--"Americans"--who are happy living our productive normie lives with our traditional normie norms in our communities and our nation--without apology. We know that individuals and ethnic groups and races differ and that's ok. And we know the two sexes differ in their respective strengths and interests and that's ok. And we wish to build and enjoy our families and leave our communities and nations to them.
Then there are the "Rainbows" ... the minoritarian whiners, the immigrationist loons, the rainbow fag people, all the "ism" "victims" ...
I sure as hell don't need them--all they produce is nonsense, lies and destruction. And they claim they don't need us.
Let's just go our separate ways.Replies: @Santoculto
“Our” communities you meant “of the wealthy”??
They had him pretty quickly, which suggests they were aware the buildings could be used as a sniper position. Trump is a presidential candidate with Secret Service and state police protection, not some random enemy soldier out on patrol. So Crooks didn’t have the luxury of sitting there all day waiting for the perfect shot. He had to take it pretty quickly. I hate to say this, but not bad for a 20-year-old with no apparent military training.
Also, how long before the Left starts making t-shirts and bumper stickers proclaiming Crooks a hero? They’re probably already selling on eBay.
(On second thought, after seeing his picture, no t-shirts for Crooks. No one is going to make a hero out of a pasty-white white guy with a mug like that.)
SS men should have been SITTING on every single rooftop that was within shooting distance, not just watching rooftops from a distance.
That could be an easy head-shot, but it would take skill and a pricey AR.
A mid-range bolt action rifle would be more accurate. You get fewer shots before the secret service kills you, but you'd be more accurate.
That said, the Secret Service dropped the ball if someone was able to gain roof access that close to the event.Replies: @Hunsdon, @John Johnson
Yeah. From what I’ve read, he used an AR style rifle from 200-300 yards from a roof outside the event.
It was 130 yards
https://nypost.com/2024/07/13/us-news/sniper-shot-at-former-president-donald-trump-from-130-yards-away-on-roof-of-manufacturing-plant/
A mid-range bolt action rifle would be more accurate. You get fewer shots before the secret service kills you, but you’d be more accurate.
That’s only true for much longer ranges.
The accuracy of ARs has really improved and I’m not talking the expensive ones.
This shot would be no problem with an off the shelf $500 AR.
I watched a gun nut claim that you can’t shoot past 100 with a cheap Anderson type rifle and then someone proceeded to do it.
*
Well, you can kill people at close range with many different types of weapon, for example kitchen knives, rolling pins, hammers, etc. (I believe the 1980’s mass murder known as the Yorkshire Ripper used a ball-and-pein hammer.)
But that is not the point. The point I made was that is was rather odd that both Trump and Biden expressed surprise that such a thing (the attemtped shooting of Trump with a high-powered rifle from a rooftop) could happen in the USA.
BBC News is reporting that apparently the weapon used in Butler, Pennsylvania was legally purchased by the father of the would-be assassin (don’t know when). Shows that you need to safely lock up weapons and that even so, you cannot trust members of your own family with the location of the key.
*Crossbows are legal in the UK under the Crossbows Act 1987.
however, it is illegal:
for under-18s to own or buy one
for under-21s to shoot one, unless under the supervision of someone older
for owners to rent or lend one to anyone else
to shoot one in a public space or any private place without permission
While being transported, a crossbow must be kept in a condition in which it cannot be fired.
The legislation applies to all crossbows with a “draw weight” – the force needed to pull the bow into anchor position – of 1.4kg (3lb) or more.
The maximum penalty for the sale or hire of a crossbow to anyone under 18 is six months’ imprisonment or a fine.
If a person is found with a crossbow in a public place, they could be prosecuted under the Offensive Weapons Act for possessing an offensive weapon in a public area, which carries a maximum sentence of four years’ imprisonment.
The Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981 also prohibits using crossbows for hunting.
In Scotland, separate legislation makes it illegal to be drunk in a public place in possession of a crossbow.
You can have a crossbow in a public place if you have “a reasonable explanation” for example you are reenacting a William Tell drama, or something like that, but if you are planning on taking one to a soccer game, well, good luck if you are questioned by police.
Because demonizing its opponents and exploiting racial division is the only way the Left knows how to win. They don’t mind the consequences of their language. They assassinated Pim Fortuyn in the Netherlands 22 years ago, they shot up a Republican baseball practice, they tried to shoot up the Family Research Council, they tried to kill Brett Kavanaugh. They don’t care.Replies: @J.Ross
So, for years the left has been allowed to release unacceptable rhetoric about how Trump is a danger and needs to be assassinated; this intensified recently with the Supreme Court decision (“Biden needs to drone strike Trump to save democracy”). A Canadian anon deliberately visited a known far-left plebbit board to screencap reactions (this is called “salt mining”). The board was locked but plenty of unhinged stuff was still up. What is different though is some leftists were actually sounding self-aware and trying to get their comrades to knock it off with the crazy talk. There were several exchanges mentioning the “threat to democracy” rhetoric and fearing some new media policy reaction to what has happened.
What so you make of this?
2016: attempted assault on candidate Donald Trump .
CNN Exclusive: ‘Trump is a bully,’ says man who rushed stage
https://www.cnn.com/2016/03/13/politics/thomas-dimassimo-donald-trump-protester-interview/index.html
Resubmitted because stuck in moderation:
The photo at the top of this column is likely to become as famous as the one recording the flag raising on Iwo Jima. You’ve got to admit, Trump knows how to exploit a dramatic moment.
His standing up after being shot and walking to the waiting vehicle while gesturing with his fist is golden symbolism.
I wouldn’t make too much of the “bullseye” remark. It’s a common image in politics. Remember the Sarah Palin controversy? From The Atlantic:
I remember Trump once saying that NAFTA was killing American dairy farmers. I doubt if he meant that Canadians were literally shooting milkmaids across the border, or that dairymen were starving to death, but some people might have thought so.
At the time that Biden made the bullseye remark, indicating, perhaps that Trump should be regarded as some kind of target, or that Democrats should focus on Trump the man and what he might do as president, no one actually denounced Biden for ordering a hit on Trump, but there is no doubt that the rhetoric between the parties since the events of Jan 6th has been inflammatory and aimed at personalities rather than at policies.
Looking at past political assassinations, it often seems to be the case that disturbed individuals are fired up into committing antisocial acts by taking metaphors too literally.
No. Those are just the shooters that get most of the media attention. Pulse, Uvalde, Virginia Tech, the Boulder King Soopers, Elliot Rodger (half-white), John Zawahri (off-white), the AutoZone guy who livestreamed his killings on Facebook, the former NFL player in South Carolina who murdered his doctor and his young grandchildren, the infamous Vester Flanagan (who murdered a journalist and her cameraman while they were on live TV), nearly all of the military base shootings, and the 4-5 gang-related drive-by shootings that happen every single week – none of them “socially dejected” white guys.
The media seems to have Orwelled terms like “gang violence” and “drive-by shooting” in favor of “mass shooting,” because everyone in the solar system knows exactly who is doing all the “drive-by shootings,” but most people are still convinced that 99% of all “mass shootings” are committed by white guys.
And it has long been a superstition that nearly all serial killers are white guys, but take a gander at the Wikipedia list of serial killers and you’ll notice that a huge percentage aren’t white, and a fair number are actually women. Blacks are probably a disproportionate percentage of serial killers. They just aren’t as disproportionate as they are for murderers overall.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_serial_killers_in_the_United_States
No – it shows that if you have a kid who is socially and emotionally troubled, like Trump’s would-be assassin, or like the Newtown mass murderer – you shouldn’t encourage them to learn how to shoot. But then I suspect many of the parents are slightly troubled, as well.
That brings to mind this movie scene:
The Day of the Jackal (1973) | Final Assassination Scene
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Day_of_the_Jackal_(film)
No wonder De Gaulle thought he had a higher purpose.https://twitter.com/DonPJenn/status/1714619934477631692
https://web.archive.org/web/20240721100113/https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-13653031/EDEN-CONFIDENTIAL-Politically-correct-quotas-undermined-Donald-Trumps-security-shooting-claims-Day-Jackal-author-Frederick-Forsyth.htmlhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_Forsyth
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Day_of_the_Jackal
My prediction is that his guy was a lone wolf/ nut case and therefore it's stupid (not politically - politically it's shrewd) to try to associate him with any particular cause, especially not based on what shirt he was wearing.Replies: @J.Ross, @Jonathan Mason, @Colin Wright
Indeed. My query is whether this was a 9/11-style operation; the powers that be were aware of what he was up to — and benevolently stood aside.
Of course people always perceive this sort of thing after the fact, but…
1. The Secret Service had ignored repeated requests from the Trump campaign for additional security.
2. The ideal spot for a sniper was left unsecured.
3. ‘Somebody’ said they saw the shooter and tried to warn the police — but were brushed off.
4. The shooter was killed immediately. This is admittedly weak — but it does fit.
I’m not convinced of my theory myself — but it’s a possibility. In particular, leaving that roof top open? Captain Colin of the Secret Service would have looked around and spotted that vulnerability himself.
News article this morning has a good picture of the would-be assassin.
https://nypost.com/2024/07/14/us-news/dad-of-trump-shooter-thomas-matthew-crooks-trying-to-figure-out-what-the-hell-is-going-on-report/
Fortunately, he missed. But he did get himself a Wikipedia listing and his name will go down in history along with John Hinkley and other leftist incels like himself.
Also, how long before the Left starts making t-shirts and bumper stickers proclaiming Crooks a hero? They’re probably already selling on eBay.
They won’t view him as a hero. He missed.
This will boost Trump and especially with Black/Hispanic men.
But what about the person who was killed? Why do we hear nothing about him? One would think the media would be eager to shift the focus to that.
Some Hispanics in border counties have already switched, thanks to border control issues that hit close to home. But Trump's success with the rest of them has been sporadic at best.
I remember a young (white) political science professor who touted John Anderson throughout the early fall of 1980. Not explicitly endorsing him, which would have been unprofessional when that still meant something, but often bringing the man's name up when he needed a positive example to illustrate a point. He was clearly Anderson's "fanboy".
But when Election Day came, he voted for Carter.Replies: @John Johnson
And the Secret Service is oblivious to the figure with a rifle on a rooftop one hundred yards away (about a city block) — but immediately knows where the shots came from.
And of course they’re ready to pull Trump down — as they should be. But does it really fit that they were apparently just daydreaming on a hot summer afternoon up until the shot?
Enjoy. I have been wanting to go. Is Gundel’s still supposed to be any good? We are doing Portugal in October.
They won't view him as a hero. He missed.
This will boost Trump and especially with Black/Hispanic men.Replies: @Colin Wright, @Reg Cæsar
Indeed. If it weren’t totally implausible, I’d say the Trump campaign arranged this. I mean, he’s definitely the beneficiary here.
But what about the person who was killed? Why do we hear nothing about him? One would think the media would be eager to shift the focus to that.
No. Those are just the shooters that get most of the media attention.
I am referring to a specific subgroup and their exaggerated media attention doesn’t somehow negate their existence. What you really mean by “no” is that you don’t want to talk about that group. The very same reality denial used in the MSM for Black crime.
There are tri-annual despondent White shooters that attack innocent Whites and create gun-control voting Democrat moms.
I’m fully aware of what the crime stats look like for this country. This is Sailer’s blog and not Fox or Wapo forums.
Just because most shootings are caused by Blacks doesn’t change the fact that this subgroup exists and has been the driving motive behind gun bans in numerous states.
Democrat moms see loser White 19 year olds shooting up a school or parade and they push for gun control. Pointing out that Jamal shot even more people a gang party doesn’t mitigate the problem. Most of those moms already know that most shootings involve Blacks. Why do you think so many liberal White women move to the burbs when they have kids? They know and don’t care as long as the violence stays in the cities.
And it has long been a superstition that nearly all serial killers are white guys
That’s a separate group. While technically correct someone like the supreme gentlemen isn’t considered a serial killer. The serial killer is more of a psycho that quietly kills his victims.
Right.
I’m not in the protection business, but it seems like it should have been SOP for the Secret Service to mount an overwatch by personnel on top of every building within shooting range of the stage. That would have given them more eyes to scan the audience and, as a bonus, denied the would-be assassin access to a rooftop position.
Biden had vetoed the additional security resources that the Trump campaign had requested.Replies: @Wilkey
I think of the comments you highlight as of a kind where the speaker seeks to establish a normative baseline which will make the contrast from that baseline stand out as particularly alarming. Note that such usages are selectively employed by the speakers. The various forms of Antifa rioting were way beyond any normative baseline but the PTB in the media sought instead to minimize the non-normative quality of the riots choosing to describe violence, looting and intimidation as protesting or mostly peaceful protesting. The tactic was wildly evident in the descriptions of Minneapolis rioting and the menacing nature of the Charlottesville Antifa counter protestors. That we lived through an event with Bolsheviks intimidating with threats and violence actual protestors and the roles were reversed by the media in their reporting is a matter that needs to be revisited, but how?
shooter lining up his shot. rifle, no scope. was up there for a while. definitely not ‘quickly into position for 1 or 2 shots before he knew he would die.” lots of people saw him slowly, carefully get into position and line up his iron sights on Trump. many witnesses now on camera saying that he was there 2 minutes or more, while they tried to get the attention of security, who seemed to not be able to see the shooter, or…saw him and deliberately ignored him. some people say shooter even had a ladder, not sure about this.
There was a movie where Canada merges with the US. A resentful Canadian runs for president as an independent together with his American ex-wife as VP candidate. Unknown to her, he is supported in secret by some European intelligence services . They arrange a fake assassination attempt (from which he recovers, while the patsy as the alleged assassinator is killed) to boost his ratings.
Anyone remembering the name of that movie?
In business as well. Similarly, if someone talks about a “target audience,” that doesn’t mean he’s planning to shoot its members.
I never said I was a fan of the guy.
But he is a better Democrat than Biden.
He is part of the NYC Democrats that don't support Biden's open borders.
NYC's social services are currently being stretched by all the new arrivals.
Democrats support illegal immigration when it goes to other states.Replies: @Reg Cæsar
“Democrats support illegal immigration when it goes to [swing] states.” Clarified it for you. “Swing” applies to Senate races, too.
However, the cynical Palmer Raids, sent only to Republican states, were a Democratic administration’s attempt to game the U.S. Census, which began the same day, and would determine apportionment. They’ll resort to enforcement on those odd occasions it works to their party’s advantage.
“Swing” applies to Senate races, too.You didn't clarify anything. Maybe next time ask for a source or try reading outside your safe space at Unz. It's a myth that blue state Dems always support open borders. NYC Democrats are actually in a fight with Biden. They're sick of having busses of illegals dropped on them. Even NYC Democrats have their limits. New York is not a swing state and their social services are being overloaded with illegals. 77 Democrats criticize Biden over immigration policy
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/77-democrats-criticize-biden-border-asylum-policy-rcna67617However, the cynical Palmer Raids, sent only to Republican states, were a Democratic administration’s attempt to game the U.S. Census, which began the same day, and would determine apportionment. You are actually referring to a raid from 1920? That was well before Operation Wetback which was under a Democrat in 1954
https://www.history.com/news/operation-wetback-eisenhower-1954-deportationDemocrats were once the anti-illegal immigration party in favor of US labor. Southern Republicans have long been for looking the other way on Mexican illegals in favor of agri-business. Their opposition is historically quite recent.Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @The Anti-Gnostic, @Curle, @Gandydancer
the real question is how ON EARTH did SS not have one of their own guys on that roof? i don’t mean watching the roof (a few of the .300 win mag snipers DO appear to be looking right at the shooter before he shoots). i mean it’s standard procedure to secure the most obvious shooting positions by literally having your own men stand right on top of them an hour or more before the VIP shows up, so nobody can then sneak up later and take the shooting positions. i’ve been to Trump rallies before in 15 and 16. SS agents deliberately scouted the obvious shooter positions ahead of time and had guys standing there in the distance before any speakers appear on stage.
in this particular incident, that specific rooftop is THE MOST OBVIOUS shooter position in the history of assassination positions. it’s ludicrous, inconceivable they didn’t notice that. 12 year old kids who play video games would have noticed that. i hate to give credence to the conspiracy ideas but…
finally, why does SS not have drones covering outdoor areas from above? last outdoor politician appearance ever without this i would suspect, unless they are TOTAL morons (which SS leadership might be by now).
This is why some people think the deep state is out to get Trump, and it's hard to argue against them when something this spectacularly "incompetent" occurs ... or maybe it wasn't incompetence.
Turkish media is claiming Crooks had ties to Antifa:
https://www.turkiyetoday.com/world/antifa-linked-to-pkk-ypg-terror-group-involved-in-trump-assassination-attempt-29077/
A more appropriate question would be to ask why the media don’t highlight it.Replies: @Bel Riose, @Reg Cæsar
Usually it’s Corvinus’s tone!
But point well taken.
Probably true. Biden never has a clue what's going on around him. Maybe he would have turned to look for someone to shake hands with.Replies: @Dragoslav
He would have thought it was fireworks…
Which is exactly the reason for **making** much of it, because the Left did in fact go apeshit over Sarah’s ad. No violence from our side came of her rhetoric, but the Left predicted it would. And then **they** did the very same thing as Sarah, with their bullseye remark — and violence *did* come of it. So they made their remark in full knowledge, based on their own statements, of what such statements could cause, so they are culpable for this assassination attempt, based on their own arguments.
“Democrats support illegal immigration when it goes to [swing] states.” Clarified it for you.
“Swing” applies to Senate races, too.
You didn’t clarify anything.
Maybe next time ask for a source or try reading outside your safe space at Unz.
It’s a myth that blue state Dems always support open borders.
NYC Democrats are actually in a fight with Biden. They’re sick of having busses of illegals dropped on them. Even NYC Democrats have their limits. New York is not a swing state and their social services are being overloaded with illegals.
77 Democrats criticize Biden over immigration policy
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/77-democrats-criticize-biden-border-asylum-policy-rcna67617
However, the cynical Palmer Raids, sent only to Republican states, were a Democratic administration’s attempt to game the U.S. Census, which began the same day, and would determine apportionment.
You are actually referring to a raid from 1920? That was well before Operation Wetback which was under a Democrat in 1954
https://www.history.com/news/operation-wetback-eisenhower-1954-deportation
Democrats were once the anti-illegal immigration party in favor of US labor.
Southern Republicans have long been for looking the other way on Mexican illegals in favor of agri-business. Their opposition is historically quite recent.
These Democrats aren't acting out of principle, they're running scared.
Immigrant ag workers in the South were formerly called "migrant workers" and were seasonal, if farmers used them at all. Based on what I saw growing up there were plenty of poor blacks and whites available to do farm work. Teenagers did it as well.Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @John Johnson
They won't view him as a hero. He missed.
This will boost Trump and especially with Black/Hispanic men.Replies: @Colin Wright, @Reg Cæsar
The kind of black man who would turn to Trump cannot vote due to the felonies on his record. With blacks, it’s D-or-the-couch. Do what you can to endorse the couch.
Some Hispanics in border counties have already switched, thanks to border control issues that hit close to home. But Trump’s success with the rest of them has been sporadic at best.
I remember a young (white) political science professor who touted John Anderson throughout the early fall of 1980. Not explicitly endorsing him, which would have been unprofessional when that still meant something, but often bringing the man’s name up when he needed a positive example to illustrate a point. He was clearly Anderson’s “fanboy”.
But when Election Day came, he voted for Carter.
They see the loser White shooting up a White school. Ghetto school, they don’t care so much now that mandatory busing is a thing of the past. Funny how irked they’d be if they understood that it was the Civil War coming back to bite them in the ass via the 14th Amendment and consequent restraints on states. Not that it will ever be presented to them this way.
Was Trump on the Ukraine secret service kill list?
After all, if they can blow up pipelines in one of the most heavily monitored sealanes on the planet …
https://www.rt.com/news/564745-elon-musk-mirotvorets-kill-list/
The Day of the Jackal (1973) | Final Assassination Scene
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQkBwYWgtLchttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Day_of_the_Jackal_(film)Replies: @mc23, @Pixo, @MEH 0910
Charles DeGaulle’s luck was extraordinary. De Gaulle survived over thirty assassination attempts. The French looked into how the US Secret Service provided security for the President at the time and they were not impressed. Oswald proved them right.
No wonder De Gaulle thought he had a higher purpose.
Newsweek article published three days ago:
“Kennedy alleged that Mayorkas is colluding with President Joe Biden to deny Secret Service protection, forcing Kennedy to foot the bill for personal security, thus depriving his campaign of funds that would otherwise be used to promote his candidacy.”
https://www.newsweek.com/rfk-jr-continues-seek-secret-service-protection-threats-detailed-foia-response-1915057
You make me LAUGH. Yes, the same Biden whose service as VP TRAFFICKED under the Obama-Biden regime “heavy-duty weapons” to “criminal gangs!”
Return back to the UK and restablish residency and ENJOY the gun control there, where even the AIR GUNS have power limits.
Why didn’t they have a drone flying overwatch? It’s pretty cheap, takes two people at most, and not that hard to do.
Or post some LEOs on the adjacent roofs.
moving Secret Service from Treasury to DHS has not gone well. for the conspiracy minded, DHS is a direct report to the President, akin to NASA.
some Republicans have been trying to move SS back to Treasury.
Financial Times - "How the war in Ukraine is reviving Russia’s rustbelt"
https://archive.ph/UGtATNot that I consider a lathe operator a "labourer", mind. Skilled job.Replies: @Gandydancer
“Swing” applies to Senate races, too.You didn't clarify anything. Maybe next time ask for a source or try reading outside your safe space at Unz. It's a myth that blue state Dems always support open borders. NYC Democrats are actually in a fight with Biden. They're sick of having busses of illegals dropped on them. Even NYC Democrats have their limits. New York is not a swing state and their social services are being overloaded with illegals. 77 Democrats criticize Biden over immigration policy
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/77-democrats-criticize-biden-border-asylum-policy-rcna67617However, the cynical Palmer Raids, sent only to Republican states, were a Democratic administration’s attempt to game the U.S. Census, which began the same day, and would determine apportionment. You are actually referring to a raid from 1920? That was well before Operation Wetback which was under a Democrat in 1954
https://www.history.com/news/operation-wetback-eisenhower-1954-deportationDemocrats were once the anti-illegal immigration party in favor of US labor. Southern Republicans have long been for looking the other way on Mexican illegals in favor of agri-business. Their opposition is historically quite recent.Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @The Anti-Gnostic, @Curle, @Gandydancer
Now. Where were they three years ago, when it might have done some good? Foul-weather friends, they.
I spent my adolescence in the state and know that well. That was the whole purpose of the late, lamented Liberal Party– to keep the Democrats from drifting too far left, which they often did, to the consternation of much of their working-class base. The LP endorsed Giuliani and John Anderson, and even gave FDR the margin he needed to carry his own state in 1944.
These Democrats aren’t acting out of principle, they’re running scared.
Corrected comment:
News article this morning has a good picture of the would-be assassin.
https://nypost.com/2024/07/14/us-news/dad-of-trump-shooter-thomas-matthew-crooks-trying-to-figure-out-what-the-hell-is-going-on-report/
Fortunately, he missed. But he did get himself a Wikipedia listing and his name will go down in history along with John Hinkley ANOTHER leftist incel like himself.
The moment I heard the news yesterday, I was reminded of the multiple levels of complicity of the Secret Service in the murder of JFK. We will now be treated to the “FBI investigation” which will simply identify a crazed, lone gunman and the case will be put to bed. The only thing that Trump must fear are the Federal employees that surround him.
It seems like he was doing a reverse slope defense setup for concealment on the back half of the roofline. So presumably had time to get aligned generally in the right direction and do final checks before he pushed up.
Also seems like there were four shots of rapid single fire than a pause, with the final round of the first burst tagging the president. To your point though, Trump made a pretty abrupt head movement a moment before getting clipped. I think the final shot would have been fatal if he had not jerked his head around at the last instant.
From the position of the body on the roof and the delay between the seven or so shots in two groups and the final shot in the video which I take to be the SS SS team killing him it seems like maybe the assassin was trying to disengage and displace, which is pretty unusual. Would also explain why he didn’t just start mag dumping into the SS agents (close protection detail don’t wear level 4s) which would have been the obvious move. I also imagine that roof was a frying pan which he may not have anticipated.
Even if he pulled off this reverse slope concealment deal after working out the sightlines to the secret service snipers… Why are there no drones overhead for exactly that situation? Nothing Gucci just a DJI thing for overhead observation. Would have been spotted immediately.
“Swing” applies to Senate races, too.You didn't clarify anything. Maybe next time ask for a source or try reading outside your safe space at Unz. It's a myth that blue state Dems always support open borders. NYC Democrats are actually in a fight with Biden. They're sick of having busses of illegals dropped on them. Even NYC Democrats have their limits. New York is not a swing state and their social services are being overloaded with illegals. 77 Democrats criticize Biden over immigration policy
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/77-democrats-criticize-biden-border-asylum-policy-rcna67617However, the cynical Palmer Raids, sent only to Republican states, were a Democratic administration’s attempt to game the U.S. Census, which began the same day, and would determine apportionment. You are actually referring to a raid from 1920? That was well before Operation Wetback which was under a Democrat in 1954
https://www.history.com/news/operation-wetback-eisenhower-1954-deportationDemocrats were once the anti-illegal immigration party in favor of US labor. Southern Republicans have long been for looking the other way on Mexican illegals in favor of agri-business. Their opposition is historically quite recent.Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @The Anti-Gnostic, @Curle, @Gandydancer
Eisenhower was a Republican.
Immigrant ag workers in the South were formerly called “migrant workers” and were seasonal, if farmers used them at all. Based on what I saw growing up there were plenty of poor blacks and whites available to do farm work. Teenagers did it as well.
At least the fake news media is not(yet) reporting this as a failed suicide attempt by Trump!!! 🙁
Does saying “fat finger” make one persona non grata these days?
i ctrl+f-ed “charles ii” and couldn’t find anything. am i the only one who noticed the resemblance to crooks?
Quick poll, what’s more ritardeder?:
A) Believing Trump is literally Hitler
2) Believing Covid19 is real
iii) Nukes!
Noticed something…
I was scanning Twitter, and counted four posters more or less openly regretting that the shooter failed to kill Trump.
Three of the four were black. Make of that what you will.
At this point, if the Democrats were smart, they’d just accept that. Save their money, let the media recover a little credibility, allow vulnerable Congressmen to disassociate themselves from Biden…start setting up the 2028 comeback. Figure out who’s going to be unhappy with Trump 2025-2o29 and build a constituency around them.
But they’re not smart. Really: they’re not. So we’ll see.
I posted one in AA’s. I’ll post one here.
I’m surprised how they instantly got where Crooks was and shot him immediately. Tempting to wonder if they had their team trained on Crooks’ position already.
But it could be a lone nut whipped up by the anti-Trump frenzy claiming Trump is Hitler (if only), he’s going to destroy democracy and so on.
Dems talking about Biden’s cognitive decline only do so because they are afraid of losing. It’s not a moral consideration on their part, putting this senile old man up again, it’s purely a problem of losing.
So it could be something to do with the panic around Biden’s senility.
Initial reports were saying it was a chink, then people were saying Crooks was part chink but I don’t clearly see it from the photos so far. Just looks like an antifa type, with a gruesome underbite.
“Swing” applies to Senate races, too.You didn't clarify anything. Maybe next time ask for a source or try reading outside your safe space at Unz. It's a myth that blue state Dems always support open borders. NYC Democrats are actually in a fight with Biden. They're sick of having busses of illegals dropped on them. Even NYC Democrats have their limits. New York is not a swing state and their social services are being overloaded with illegals. 77 Democrats criticize Biden over immigration policy
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/77-democrats-criticize-biden-border-asylum-policy-rcna67617However, the cynical Palmer Raids, sent only to Republican states, were a Democratic administration’s attempt to game the U.S. Census, which began the same day, and would determine apportionment. You are actually referring to a raid from 1920? That was well before Operation Wetback which was under a Democrat in 1954
https://www.history.com/news/operation-wetback-eisenhower-1954-deportationDemocrats were once the anti-illegal immigration party in favor of US labor. Southern Republicans have long been for looking the other way on Mexican illegals in favor of agri-business. Their opposition is historically quite recent.Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @The Anti-Gnostic, @Curle, @Gandydancer
You are using the term ‘historically’ for the purpose of covering what time period? Tom Wolfe’s ‘Man in Full’ (1998) introduced a lot of Americans to the phenomenon of illegal migration to southern states or at the very least Atlanta. That’s a twenty-six year period of ‘historically’ and opposition to it preceded Trump’s 2016 election. So your window of ‘historically’ is closer to 14 years and even that grants you your priors by assuming the matter had risen to a matter of concern by 1998. Awareness and recognition tend to precede concern and action.
LOL. They’ve been doing that from the get go. “Sounds”, “Loud noises”, “Trump falls and carried off stage by Secret Service”, “Trump injured” …
This entire last year, they’ve been pitching the “Trump is an old man in mental decline” angle, to try and cover for Biden’s obvious actual incapacity.
Back on planet earth, Trump is obviously in the top 5 or 10% in vigor or energy for people his age (78). Biden is … alive, which is better than most Americans at near 82. But my parents were in a nice UMC retirement facility near AnotherBrother’s and my homes here in the Seattle burbs and Biden–even in the public appearances they presumably juice him for–seems much worse than my parents at that age or their friends whom we’d dine and chat with. Biden strikes me as now as a borderline “assisted living” candidate. Someone close to unfit for taking care of himself independently. And that’s who the Parasite Party is running for President.
Some Hispanics in border counties have already switched, thanks to border control issues that hit close to home. But Trump's success with the rest of them has been sporadic at best.
I remember a young (white) political science professor who touted John Anderson throughout the early fall of 1980. Not explicitly endorsing him, which would have been unprofessional when that still meant something, but often bringing the man's name up when he needed a positive example to illustrate a point. He was clearly Anderson's "fanboy".
But when Election Day came, he voted for Carter.Replies: @John Johnson
The kind of black man who would turn to Trump cannot vote due to the felonies on his record.
Black men like the gangsta imagary even if they aren’t taking part in the lifestyle. Just turn on the radio in a Black area.
Rap music isn’t made for thugs with a long list of felonies.
It’s made for the guy who works at a warehouse and raps along to “hoes and bitches” before starting his shift.
I truly wish they had a better outlet as this music can turn White 18 year olds into complete idiots.
Trump will get some thug points for surviving a shooting and raising his fist. I guarantee it.
Rednecks will give him some grit points. He earned them.
But when Election Day came, he voted for Carter.
I get your point and to be clear I don’t think this is a game changer. Americans do have a 3 month memory.
But I think he will get a boost from this. We live in a confused society where men constantly feel repressed by feminism and desire a strong leader. This is especially true for Blacks and Hispanics even if they traditionally vote Democrat. Black women can be pretty bossy and Black men get tired of it. Men of all races get tired of this society where women are allowed to denigrate men and call it equality. Black and Hispanic men will vote Democrat for economic reasons. However they privately wish that White men would grow a spine but without racial division. Black men are a lot more amenable to White men in positions of authority as long as they get a cut. They don’t think like liberal White women or even close. They also don’t respect Whites that try to emulate them.
The idea of a rap station you can only pick up when you’re in the hood is pretty funny though. Sounds like a Dave Chappelle sketch.
They had one…..50’s/60’s Motown was actual music! Abandoned in the 80’s for the current version of subliterate tribal thumping!
Obviously, I said it as a joke, since they are both a certain stripe of midwit virtue signalers—I see no difference in reading and wit between them—but the more I think about it, the more sense it makes.
For example, why does Stancil, who is running for state representative for a district in Minnesota that probably has no more than two iSteve readers, a trivial constituency, spend so much time online arguing with Steve on Twitter? Stancil’s campaign manager, if any, is probably pulling xir hair out: “Why TF are you tweeting at Sailer again? Your %$@# voters are here in Minnesota, not online on Twitter!” But then Stancil is back to prosecuting his online grievances.
Maybe the solution to the mystery is that Stancil’s been here arguing with Sailer & Co. on his alt account for years, and he really wants to show everyone up by winning an election. So he’s not arguing online to justify his election; he’s running in an election to justify his perpetual online arguing.
I mean, your mental image of Corvinus is probably basically Stancil already, you just haven’t gotten around to making the final step.
I don’t think that a lot of politicians (and their speechwriters) give a lot of thought to the metaphors that they use in political speeches, metaphors that often have little to do with matters of policy.
I remember Trump once saying that NAFTA was killing American dairy farmers. I doubt if he meant that Canadians were literally shooting milkmaids across the border, or that dairymen were starving to death, but some people might have thought so.
At the time that Biden made the bullseye remark, indicating, perhaps that Trump should be regarded as some kind of target, or that Democrats should focus on Trump the man and what he might do as president, no one actually denounced Biden for ordering a hit on Trump, but there is no doubt that the rhetoric between the parties since the events of Jan 6th has been inflammatory and aimed at personalities rather than at policies.
Looking at past political assassinations, it often seems to be the case that disturbed individuals are fired up into committing antisocial acts by taking metaphors too literally.
You are using the term ‘historically’ for the purpose of covering what time period? Tom Wolfe’s ‘Man in Full’ (1998) introduced a lot of Americans to the phenomenon of illegal migration to southern states or at the very least Atlanta.
Texas Republicans tolerated illegal immigration from the 1960s up until Trump.
They had a majority for decades and nothing was stopping them from enacting state level controls. They could have bought up Rio river land and created their own deterrents.
Arizona has also had Republican majorities. Same for Louisiana.
Most Republicans are simply not what they claim to be.
They run on immigration and then shrug.
It’s really depressing in fact to live in a majority Republican state where they do nothing and then listen to national conservative commentators talk about how we need to vote out the Democrats because they don’t care.
Both parties in this country have sold out to big business. Most of the elections are just theater. The Texas Republicans only started acting under Trump and when they had half of South American coming in waves.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plyler_v._Doe
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/64th_Texas_Legislature
The overturning of California's Prop 187 (passed in 1994) was another. If illegals are allowed government benefits (including what amounts to free child care) and states - whose agencies and law enforcement officers have far more day-to-day contact with illegals than feds do - aren't allowed to help enforce immigration laws, then your border is basically wide open.
Agree with you about Republicans talking big about illegal immigration but doing nothing. That was Mitt Romney's angle in 2012. He ran farther to the right on border security than anyone during the GOP primaries, but dropped the issue almost completely after securing the nomination.
That shouldn't have come as a surprise. Romney's campaign manager and best bud was former Utah Governor Mike Leavitt. While he was governor, Leavitt made Utah friendlier to illegal immigrants than any other Republican state, and most Democratic ones. He was instrumental in giving them driver's licenses, in-state tuition, and undermining a voter-passed English-only law. Romney capped it all off by picking Paul Ryan, a former Jack Kemp protege who had actually campaigned against Prop 187 before he was even a congressman.
So yes, historically many Republicans have talked big about immigration and other issues while doing nothing. But increasingly we seem to be seeing action where once there was only talk. It's doubtful whether it will be enough, but it's happening.
A more appropriate question would be to ask why the media don’t highlight it.Replies: @Bel Riose, @Reg Cæsar
You could be polite and answer it, Professor. What happened to those celebrated Southern manners? The kind that today always give Israel the benefit of the doubt, along with their cousins here. I ask questions because, unlike you, I don’t claim to be an expert.
If Biden can withhold Kennedy’s security detail, why not Trump’s as well? Well, for two reasons– Trump is entitled to one simply by having already served in the office. Could Biden have pulled an RFKJr on Vivek Ramaswamy or Ronald DeSantis or Canadian native Rafael Edward Cruz as well? I don’t have the answer to that. But you say you do. Why not clue us in?
The other reason is that Biden may have moles in Trump’s detail. That is certainly something to consider after yesterday’s “failure”.
How about the history “and/or” operations of the Zulu Empire? When his mother, Queen Nandi died, Shaka Zulu mourned by executing 10,000 pregnant women along with their husbands. Was this murder? A civilized society would say yes, 30,000 in fact. But it was perfectly legal under the (probably oral) Zulu constitution.
From everything you’ve said, it would have– and would still be– perfectly legal in any US state whose own, written constitution lacked explicit protection for a right to life. As long as they were executed without trial– the Constitution demands of states a speedy one. (But not of feds, if I read it correctly.)
Most of us here think Bernhard Goetz’s rights were violated forty years ago. You cannot– Hawkins Nunn was the Goetz of the 19th century, and you maintain his were not.
But not taking immediate and substantial steps to return Sambo to Mr Beauregard– whether then or today– now that’s a violation!
Am I the only one experiencing incredulity here?
I have experience in genealogy. Were I to locate the contemporary descendants of your last slaveholding ancestor’s own charges, kidnap them, and dump them off on your lawn, would I have done anything wrong? It’s a tempting prospect.
However, had the "oral constitution" considered Shaka's actions "perfectly legal" then it wouldn't have cost him his life at the hands of his own family and staff.
And the fact that the assassination didn't lead to any revolt against the assassins indicates that his removal via violent means was more welcomed by the populace than was the violent removal of Julius Caesars or Saddam Hussein.
The general belief among the commentariot that Blacks are severely and especially subhuman is not supported in the facts.Replies: @Colin Wright, @Reg Cæsar
I'd say more than probably since the Zulus had no system of writing.
This story has come down to us from the early white settlers who may not have been reliable sources either.Replies: @Reg Cæsar
The Day of the Jackal (1973) | Final Assassination Scene
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQkBwYWgtLchttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Day_of_the_Jackal_(film)Replies: @mc23, @Pixo, @MEH 0910
I rewatched it this year, beautifully remastered in 1080p HD. One of the greatest action movies of all time, with every scene tightly plotted. The big-budget recreation of 1962 France England and Italy is also a constant treat.
He will win Then he will bring Gaffney, Bolton, Pompeo, and names linked to Kristol, Kagan, Podohoretz, Wolfowitz, Abrams,Feith, Applebaum
or ask Bengvir ot Smotrich or son of Netanyahu to join and fill his cabinet.
Worst of the Trump enemies will find brilliance and sagacity in it . Trump crowd will find Bible’s prophecy in it .
Max Boot will remind him to attack Iran .
Applebaum will remind him
to sanction Russia as he has done before and arm Tawain .
Netanyhu will send the request of 10 Army divisions under IDF general.
Trump’s job description has been received and endorsed by his tram .
Hallelujah – so the chorus will be mounted .
Beginning to suspect that this is Jodie Foster related.
Did you forget that the “supreme gentleman” WASN’T WHITE? In fact, mass shooters–even limited to the ones who kill innocent whites–are not disproportionately white.
LOL, why they gotta be black?
Apparently the shooter was an extra in a Blackrock commercial. Second biggest part, too.
https://t.me/llordofwar/363710
https://compote.slate.com/images/07a6bf38-f602-46ca-97a7-3911882be8f7.jpegReplies: @anonymous, @Belle Pepper, @Currahee
That’s the shot: historical.
Immigrant ag workers in the South were formerly called "migrant workers" and were seasonal, if farmers used them at all. Based on what I saw growing up there were plenty of poor blacks and whites available to do farm work. Teenagers did it as well.Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @John Johnson
Agent Johnson may be referring to Harlon Carter, head of the Border Patrol, and later the NRA-ILA.
That’s the thought behind the title of this book. Threat to life can be aphrodisiac.
Also, how long before the Left starts making t-shirts and bumper stickers proclaiming Crooks a hero? They’re probably already selling on eBay.
(On second thought, after seeing his picture, no t-shirts for Crooks. No one is going to make a hero out of a pasty-white white guy with a mug like that.)Replies: @Sean, @CalCooledge
They knew he was on the roof but could not see him until he got into position and started shooting. You cannot compare being at a familiar range in perfect safety where you are taking shots at your leisure with going from bear crawling on a sloping roof to firing at a human in the second or two while dozens of guns are as you know zeroing in on you. Trump was turning his head when hit. It was a good shooting from Crooks by any real world standards and he did great getting into position to make it. The level of commitment and disregard of the consequences was total; that is why he came so close to succeeding.
File Under: Luckiest Man on Planet Earth
https://nypost.com/2024/07/14/us-news/what-trump-did-in-split-second-during-shooting-that-saved-his-life/
BTW, this will be taken up by the anti-gun activists to limit semi-automatic rifles, but the real reason Trump got shot was Biden refusing to increase Trump’s Secret Service detail by even one more man, giving him ridiculously inadequate security, so that the Secret Service had to strategize the best they could with the limited Human Resources available. Their “best” wasn’t near good enough. The head of the Secret Service should resign immediately. She’s in over her head, and let us learn that diversity hiring in the Secret Service can get Presidents killed.
Biden’s handlers should be pressured by both sides of the political spectrum to significantly INCREASE Trump’s Secret Service protection NOW, and apologize for putting the former PRESIDENT in danger by their strategy of ineptitude. He must also allow Secret Service protection for RFK, which the senile old fool has continuously DENIED!
Biden’s handlers have their weasely hands all over this incident, they are dark and shitty human beings manipulating a spent out old man for their perverse ends, and should be brought to heel immediately!
As it stands, this is the closest thing to a political assassination attempt by Biden’s handlers that they’ve had the temerity to try… so far. They must be stopped!
They had enough manpower to park 26,000 soldiers and LEOs in D.C. for Biden's inaugural, but not enough security to effectively protect Biden's two main opponents in the presidential race. Any refusal to increase their security after this should be automatically viewed as Biden's active endorsement of their assassination.
That doesn’t narrow it down very much. Every MSM reporter, every Democrat politician. I saw a cute meme yesterday – a little kid is telling his father that his foot hurts and the father asks him which one. Is it the left or the far right?
The idea of Trump’s using FedGov employees like the Secret Service to protect him is just insane. Every FedGov employee should be assumed to want Trump dead.
Trump’s got the dough. He should get rid of Secret Service detail and use his own security.
In an absolute monarchy, Nixonian Theory that “if the President does it, that means that it is not illegal” is by definition true.
However, had the “oral constitution” considered Shaka’s actions “perfectly legal” then it wouldn’t have cost him his life at the hands of his own family and staff.
And the fact that the assassination didn’t lead to any revolt against the assassins indicates that his removal via violent means was more welcomed by the populace than was the violent removal of Julius Caesars or Saddam Hussein.
The general belief among the commentariot that Blacks are severely and especially subhuman is not supported in the facts.
I'm impressed.
That top photo is as corny as anything they ran for the 9/11 extravaganza. That tells me CIA DO has made its determination that Trump is not a threat. DO is going to let him in, swarm him and neutralize him like before.
This mitigates any threat from Kennedy and gives Joe Blow a nice cathartic feeling of beating the deep state. Lots of people who knew voting is fake bullshit will forget that now.
You hear about Joe's win
And they march you to the table
You see the same old thing
Ain't no food upon the table
And no pork up in the pan
But you better not complain, boy
You get in trouble with the manIf you're ever in Houston
Well, you better do right
You better not gamble
There, you better not fight, at all
Or the sheriff will grab ya
And the boys will bring you down
The next thing you know, boy
Whoa, you're prison bound
There is also a bookhttps://www.amazon.com/Deep-Rig-Election-friends-integrity/dp/0578865939
https://archive.ph/kRokT
Immigrant ag workers in the South were formerly called "migrant workers" and were seasonal, if farmers used them at all. Based on what I saw growing up there were plenty of poor blacks and whites available to do farm work. Teenagers did it as well.Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @John Johnson
Eisenhower was a Republican.
He only declared himself to be a Republican when he ran against a Democrat. That was in 1952.
Very similar to how Trump became a Republican when he ran against Hillary.
Eisenhower was a Democrat in policy.
He expanded New Deal programs, social security and backed labor over illegals. He described himself as a centrist and worked with the Democrats.
Modern Republicans would call him a far-left socialist by today’s standards.
Today’s Democrats would be shocked by his policies that (gasp) actually consider White workers.
A great president that makes a joke of the felon and the invalid.
Immigrant ag workers in the South were formerly called “migrant workers” and were seasonal, if farmers used them at all.
There still are migrant workers in most agricultural states. It’s not a trend of the past. Fruit orchards still have temporary housing.
However there was a trend for Hispanic workers to stay and the policy of making their children automatic children was a huge incentive. Not just anchor babies but all the free stuff offered by the Feds. Housing, schooling, lunches, etc.
The Hispanic second generation population has expanded in Texas since the 1960s. It didn’t start in the 2000s.
Stop making excuses for politicians that are whores for big business. Republicans in this country value money over White workers. I will call it like it is.
Nothing was stopping Texas Republicans from buying up Rio land and putting National guard bases on it. They had a majority for decades and did (drumroll)….. NOT A DAMN THING.
You can get on Google maps and go look at that land. The same land that has had thousands of Haitians and randos from other countries.
Democracy doesn't die in the darkness. Democracy dies in the media spotlight.
https://twitter.com/austin_rief/status/1812259887940096276
https://twitter.com/alexkehr/status/1812272157671686234Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @Mike Conrad, @TWS, @notbe mk 2, @Almost Missouri
https://babylonbee.com/news/cnn-clumsy-trump-hits-head-on-bullet
https://i0.wp.com/www.barnhardtmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/img_5807-2-1.jpg?resize=768%2C957&ssl=1
https://babylonbee.com/news/trump-indicted-for-inciting-assassination-attempt
https://twitter.com/babybeginner/status/1812353348743684601Replies: @notbe mk 2
"Kennedy alleged that Mayorkas is colluding with President Joe Biden to deny Secret Service protection, forcing Kennedy to foot the bill for personal security, thus depriving his campaign of funds that would otherwise be used to promote his candidacy."
https://www.newsweek.com/rfk-jr-continues-seek-secret-service-protection-threats-detailed-foia-response-1915057Replies: @cthulhu
Hmmm…Kennedy is tight with semi-secretive and quite rich private security honcho, Gavin de Becker; I thought that De Becker was providing security gratis for RFKJr. Personally, I’d trust De Becker’s people over the USSS for someone in RFKJr.’s position. De Becker’s company does security for loads of Hollywood types, rich Silicon Valley entrepreneurs, etc., everything from hulking and armed personal bodyguards to full-up home security systems that are to companies like ADP what a nuclear bomb is to a piece of bubble wrap.
John Johnson is one of the most obvious fake white, anti-white trolls this site has ever endured. Complete fraud.
The shooter obviously never spent any time training in the Marine Corps.
No, as expected he’s since prevaricated about it in #235.*
A remarkable error relative to his wide ranging, voluminous output. Is John Johnson – at least this one – American?
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*subject to Whim
https://babylonbee.com/news/cnn-clumsy-trump-hits-head-on-bullet
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https://babylonbee.com/news/trump-indicted-for-inciting-assassination-attempt
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https://media.babylonbee.com/articles/article-66940b37cbd1a.jpgReplies: @mc23
At least Trump didn’t fall really hard like JFK.
The film of Trump going down, as shots rang out, followed quickly by the crowd seated behind him, and just as quickly rising with fist upraised shouting fight, fight, fight, and the crowd behind him after a moments hesitation rising with him was really quite moving.
It was leadership at its best
This is a time that calls for great men.
Unfortunately it’s also a time that disparages greatness, and instead honors mediocrity and worse.
Let us now praise famous thugs seems to be our motto.
For better or worse Trump is a leader.
Yup. Diaper Joe still has the largest voter fraud organization in history – I’ve not heard it was dismantled or hobbled no how.
There’s also the thought that normal people are averse to killing; they instinctively miss.
So this guy (who presumably was normal in a lot of ways) might have been capable of putting his rounds into the bullseye at the range. But when it came to actually shooting a man, he missed by a bit. Of course, he killed someone else — but that was an accident.
People can tell themselves they’re going to do something. They can even try to do it. But a lot of times, they just instinctively pull their punch a bit. It’s how we survive as a species. We’re social animals — we need to miss. And here, note that an awful lot of warfare involves dehumanizing the enemy somehow. To kill him, we need to first stop thinking of him as another person.
Alejandro Mayorkas should step down or be removed. Congress should have a “no confidence” vote.
David Frum. Every time I encounter him, I think about what rock he must have crawled out from under. It takes a classy guy to even think this is a reasonable thing to say.
https://twitter.com/wayotworld/status/1812578021611823202
To not only Republicans, but all Good Americans, the Convention is coming!
Like greyhounds in the slip staring upon the start, the game’s afoot!
Follow your spirit, and cry God for Trump, America, and St. John!!
I followed this issue for years in the mountainous mid-South particularly after reading Man in Full, asking my mid-south relations year after year whether they were seeing this in their burgs and paying attention when I was in town. The answer was negative until it wasn’t sometime in the 2000s around the time it was getting more attention in western states that aren’t California. Texas was an early indicator but not a norm for purposes of gauging the southern political class as a whole.
https://cis.org/Report/Shaping-Texas-Effects-Immigration-19702020That's basically an entire city made up of illegals. Texas had a Republican majority in the 90s. Did you also want to make some excuses for their apathy and favoritism towards agri-business? Texas is a cattle state that relies on illegal labor. The Texas Republicans were happy to shove cash right up their assholes until the wave was too great. A bunch of whores just like the AZ Republicans. Have you ever spent time around actual Republicans? Half of them think the world is temporary and the second coming will fix it all anyways. Meaning you might as well just relax and buy a boat since Jesus is coming. This is the plan of half of them:
1. Get cash to buy a boat
2. Wait for Jesus to fix it allSo why not take some agri-cash and sit on your boat? What is the difference? Everything is foretold.Replies: @Curle, @Bardon Kaldian
A remarkable error relative to his wide ranging, voluminous output. Is John Johnson – at least this one – American?
I don’t consider Trump or Eisenhower to be Republicans.
Both only declared themselves as such when they ran for president.
Trump was not only a lifelong Democrat but was part of the NYC wealthy Dems club. As in helping with fundraising for Democrats.
Hate me all you want but I haven’t ever helped the Democrats raise a dollar. Not one. Both parties ask me for donations in mailings and I throw them in the garbage. I’m unfortunately on multiple political solicitation lists.
Eisenhower followed FDR on policy. He declared himself to be a Republican in 1952 after he was asked to run for president. When in the military he publicly despised partisan politics.
Look I get voting for Trump over Biden but don’t get so sensitive to those of us that aren’t on board with Trump Train.
The guy is a billionaire and I keep getting ads where he asks me for $10 cause “times are tough” as he says.
Why can’t he sell a hotel and fund his campaign? Why is he asking rural Whites for money?
Sorry but the guy stinks to high heaven of NYC style corruption where everything is fine as long as the dollars keep flowing. Yes he is better than Biden but that is a low bar. I’d take a 5th grader over Biden.
He showed guts in the shooting. I will give him that. But I don’t like him as a person.
some Republicans have been trying to move SS back to Treasury.Replies: @Stripes Duncan
Is the Treasury Department not also a direct report to the President?
No I said I wanted new candidates. I opposed Biden in the last election and that is in my record. I also had Trump Tribe angry with me in the last election for pointing out that he had lost independents in the polls. But they were certain he would win and they accused me of being a Democrat or following the MSM. Well Trump lost and exit polls matched what I had been pointing out to them. He lost independents. And here were are today with a similar accusation. “Ryan voted with President Joe Biden’s stated position 100% of the time in the 117th Congress, according to a FiveThirtyEight analysis.”A statement that lacks context given that we have a divided congress and bills rarely get to his desk. Most Republicans have voted most of the time with Biden. The Democrats can't pass whatever they want so Biden normally signs bipartisan bills. Polls show that Trump needs Biden to run. He loses to practically any Democrat. He may have die-hard fans but moderates and independents win swing states. I commend the guy on being strong in this assassination attempt but it isn't going to change my opinion of him. I view him as NYC Democrat and real estate con. I would like new candidates. Trump allows for the worst case scenario which is another 4 years for Biden. Anyone like Cruz handily beats Biden in the polls. That doesn't mean I like Cruz. I just would like a reset from both parties and I really don't want Biden. I'll take a border collie over Biden. Update on the shooter: Antifa dork.
https://nypost.com/2024/07/13/us-news/thomas-matthew-crooks-idd-as-gunman-who-shot-trump-during-pa-rally/Replies: @Roderick Spode, @Reg Cæsar, @Colin Wright
! The polls I have seen show just the reverse. Part of the Democrats’ problem is that the alternatives poll the same or even worse than Biden. They might dump Biden — if they had a more viable candidate to go to.
They don’t. Harris, Newsom, Whitmer — in at least one set of polls, they all do worse, not better.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/02/politics/cnn-poll-post-debate/index.htmlIndependents don't like either of them. A majority of independents and "double haters" want Trump out:
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/majority-independents-double-haters-trump-end-2024-campaign/story?id=110778206This is the same problem that we had in the last election. You can have solid MAGA support but a million Trump fans in red hats don't decide the election. It's the moderates/independents in swing states. Trump lost his share of White women in the last election and hasn't gained them back. He also lost White men that switched sides. Maybe he will get a boost from the shooting but he really needs to bring back independents. They currently hate him and only barely take him over Biden. It would be a vote against Biden which I think is too risky.Replies: @Colin Wright
Also, how long before the Left starts making t-shirts and bumper stickers proclaiming Crooks a hero? They’re probably already selling on eBay.
(On second thought, after seeing his picture, no t-shirts for Crooks. No one is going to make a hero out of a pasty-white white guy with a mug like that.)Replies: @Sean, @CalCooledge
” they were aware the buildings could be used as a sniper position”.
SS men should have been SITTING on every single rooftop that was within shooting distance, not just watching rooftops from a distance.
How many enormous black former football players would take a bullet for anyone let alone Trump?
https://andscape.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/gettyimages-51553877811.jpg?w=700
Rosey voted for Trump, by the way. His client's grandson speaks out:
https://twitter.com/bobbykennedyx/status/1812295197574979944Replies: @vinteuil
I'm not in the protection business, but it seems like it should have been SOP for the Secret Service to mount an overwatch by personnel on top of every building within shooting range of the stage. That would have given them more eyes to scan the audience and, as a bonus, denied the would-be assassin access to a rooftop position.Replies: @trevor
” … it seems like it should have been SOP for the Secret Service to mount an overwatch by personnel on top of every building within shooting range of the stage ”
Maybe the SS lacked sufficient personnel for that?
Biden had vetoed the additional security resources that the Trump campaign had requested.
the (probably oral) Zulu constitution.
I’d say more than probably since the Zulus had no system of writing.
This story has come down to us from the early white settlers who may not have been reliable sources either.
in this particular incident, that specific rooftop is THE MOST OBVIOUS shooter position in the history of assassination positions. it's ludicrous, inconceivable they didn't notice that. 12 year old kids who play video games would have noticed that. i hate to give credence to the conspiracy ideas but...
finally, why does SS not have drones covering outdoor areas from above? last outdoor politician appearance ever without this i would suspect, unless they are TOTAL morons (which SS leadership might be by now).Replies: @CalCooledge
Yes, the SS needs to be stationed literally on the roof itself. This was criminal negligence.
This is why some people think the deep state is out to get Trump, and it’s hard to argue against them when something this spectacularly “incompetent” occurs … or maybe it wasn’t incompetence.
Texas was an early indicator but not a norm for purposes of gauging the southern political class as a whole.
I’m not sure what you are saying exactly. Are you suggesting that I am imagining an illegal immigration problem in Texas that has gone or for decades? Or am I imagining a state that has been dominated by Republicans?
According to the government Texas had around half a million illegals in 1994.
https://cis.org/Report/Shaping-Texas-Effects-Immigration-19702020
That’s basically an entire city made up of illegals.
Texas had a Republican majority in the 90s.
Did you also want to make some excuses for their apathy and favoritism towards agri-business?
Texas is a cattle state that relies on illegal labor. The Texas Republicans were happy to shove cash right up their assholes until the wave was too great. A bunch of whores just like the AZ Republicans.
Have you ever spent time around actual Republicans? Half of them think the world is temporary and the second coming will fix it all anyways. Meaning you might as well just relax and buy a boat since Jesus is coming.
This is the plan of half of them:
1. Get cash to buy a boat
2. Wait for Jesus to fix it all
So why not take some agri-cash and sit on your boat? What is the difference? Everything is foretold.
Ok I gotta ask for this to be explained.
https://twitter.com/wayotworld/status/1812578021611823202Replies: @Sam Malone, @Colin Wright
I was thinking how Steve years ago talked a lot about the Dutch gay populist political figure Pim Fortuyn, who was successfully leading a broad-based anti-immigration movement until he was assassinated in 2002, and how the reaction from Dutch and European left-liberals was basically that you know, really he had it coming. I’m sure that’s how our elite privately feels, and as the days/weeks pass I expect it will be harder and harder for them to keep that sentiment from bleeding into their public messaging.
! The polls I have seen show just the reverse. Part of the Democrats’ problem is that the alternatives poll the same or even worse than Biden
You are saying that Biden beats any other Republican? I haven’t seen any data suggesting that but do share.
This is a pretty recent poll:
CNN Poll: Most voters think Democrats have a better chance of keeping White House if Biden isn’t the nominee
https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/02/politics/cnn-poll-post-debate/index.html
Independents don’t like either of them. A majority of independents and “double haters” want Trump out:
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/majority-independents-double-haters-trump-end-2024-campaign/story?id=110778206
This is the same problem that we had in the last election. You can have solid MAGA support but a million Trump fans in red hats don’t decide the election. It’s the moderates/independents in swing states. Trump lost his share of White women in the last election and hasn’t gained them back. He also lost White men that switched sides.
Maybe he will get a boost from the shooting but he really needs to bring back independents. They currently hate him and only barely take him over Biden. It would be a vote against Biden which I think is too risky.
The Democrats are stuck. Fighting over dumping Biden would just make matters worse for them.
Of course, there is the point that Biden is going to be frigging brain-dead for his second term -- but the Democrats don't care about that. The country can go to hell as far as they're concerned. So they'll stick with good ol' Joe.Replies: @John Johnson
If you see somebody noting that Kimberly Cheatle, current head of the Secret Service, was before this gig the boss of security at PepsiCo, inform him that before Pepsi she was in the Secret Service for 27 years and was a station chief.
Remembering having to use surface streets because King Obama traveled in an imperial entourage and effectively closed the freeway when he visited. An anon describing Secret Service demand access to buildimgs becayse King Obama would be flying over them (in a plane).
Notice that Trump's campaign schedule is crazy, crazy for a man of his age, but must also be very difficult for security checking every new location. I don't think there's been another candidate recently going back to 2015 who campaigns as hard and as frequently as he does.Replies: @anonymous
Agreed, but remember the long-term liberals Antifa riots, described as “demonstrations” by local and national liberal media, had gone on for so long that it’s normalized violence amongst their liberal spawn who are now in their early twenties, perpetual victims, incels, with no real social agency and not a clue of how to acquire it via non-hysterical means.
One of the major political/social problems we have going forward is too many young liberals have been raised, by parents and media, to be horrible:
“Why didn’t they have a drone flying overwatch? It’s pretty cheap, takes two people at most, and not that hard to do.
Or post some LEOs on the adjacent roofs”
It looks like there was no one to be seen on the roof until the shooter suddenly ascended to the roof and immediately started firing. He was only able to make about 7 quick shots (a few seconds at most) before he was taken out by snipers on adjacent roofs.
The photos showed 2 snipers on the roof right next to Trump’s podium.
I am guessing that the Secret Service lacked sufficient personnel to place agents on ALL roofs within sight of Trump.
That would have been the only way to prevent access to any or all of them in the first place.
Other than the 2 roofs with SS snipers directly behind Trump, this guy was on the next closest roof. This isn't Manhattan for fucks sake. Google earth it, there's only a hand full of buildings over 1 story tall within a mile. No one expected the SS to have a sniper in every tree, just the closest buildings high enough to shoot from.
You're suggesting or guessing having the SS on the 3rd closest roof wasn't feasible? Try taking another guess.
Other than the 2 roofs with SS snipers directly behind Trump, this guy was on the next closest roof. This isn't Manhattan for fucks sake. Google earth it, there's only a hand full of buildings over 1 story tall within a mile. No one expected the SS to have a sniper in every tree, just the closest buildings high enough to shoot from.
And you're suggesting having the SS on the 3rd closest roof wasn't feasible?Replies: @trevor
https://cis.org/Report/Shaping-Texas-Effects-Immigration-19702020That's basically an entire city made up of illegals. Texas had a Republican majority in the 90s. Did you also want to make some excuses for their apathy and favoritism towards agri-business? Texas is a cattle state that relies on illegal labor. The Texas Republicans were happy to shove cash right up their assholes until the wave was too great. A bunch of whores just like the AZ Republicans. Have you ever spent time around actual Republicans? Half of them think the world is temporary and the second coming will fix it all anyways. Meaning you might as well just relax and buy a boat since Jesus is coming. This is the plan of half of them:
1. Get cash to buy a boat
2. Wait for Jesus to fix it allSo why not take some agri-cash and sit on your boat? What is the difference? Everything is foretold.Replies: @Curle, @Bardon Kaldian
Your initial comment was directed to the entire South and its politicians, you’ve narrowed the scope of your claim.
I narrowed the scope because Texas is a good example.
Can also add Louisiana, Oklahoma and Florida to the list.Replies: @Curle
https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/02/politics/cnn-poll-post-debate/index.htmlIndependents don't like either of them. A majority of independents and "double haters" want Trump out:
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/majority-independents-double-haters-trump-end-2024-campaign/story?id=110778206This is the same problem that we had in the last election. You can have solid MAGA support but a million Trump fans in red hats don't decide the election. It's the moderates/independents in swing states. Trump lost his share of White women in the last election and hasn't gained them back. He also lost White men that switched sides. Maybe he will get a boost from the shooting but he really needs to bring back independents. They currently hate him and only barely take him over Biden. It would be a vote against Biden which I think is too risky.Replies: @Colin Wright
Yes, but that’s if Todd Tomorrow, the imaginary, wonderful Democrat is the nominee. Every poll I’ve seen of a specific, actual Democrat shows him doing worse or about the same as Biden.
The Democrats are stuck. Fighting over dumping Biden would just make matters worse for them.
Of course, there is the point that Biden is going to be frigging brain-dead for his second term — but the Democrats don’t care about that. The country can go to hell as far as they’re concerned. So they’ll stick with good ol’ Joe.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/07/11/democrats-biden-drop-out-poll/74364331007/He needs to go. The majority of Americans do not want him as president. His psycho control freak wife needs to drop her power mania and do what is right for Biden and the country.Replies: @Ralph L, @Colin Wright, @Art Deco
Anyone remembering the name of that movie?Replies: @Moshe Def
Not that one, but Bob Roberts (movie) has some similarities.
NOTE TO INSIDERS: Don't waste it. But you probably will.Replies: @Mike Tre
Waiting for a negro SS agent to be superimposed over that photo.
https://twitter.com/wayotworld/status/1812578021611823202Replies: @Sam Malone, @Colin Wright
! He got that down quick enough. Happily, I took a screen shot.
Biden had vetoed the additional security resources that the Trump campaign had requested.Replies: @Wilkey
Funny how the government conveniently always has the resources when it wants to have them. For example, they had something like 26,000 law enforcement and National Guard members in D.C. for Joe Biden’s inaugural. That was more men than are employed by the entire Border Patrol to secure a 2,000 mile border with Mexico.
Crisis of competency in action. For once, clown world has a positive outcome. Notice that the counterfire instantly drilled the shooter who presented a much smaller target lying down.
130 yards is easy mode even with crummy equipment. Just thank the lucky stars it was a young guy pumped up with self esteem culture and no regard for acquired practiced skills even the very little necessary for this ridiculously easy shot.
The USMC rifle scores of Oswald and Texas tower guy were middling. In no way did they indicate that they were superior marksmen, fwiw.
Trump was a very lucky man. Bystanders not so much.Replies: @Mike Tre
Marines are taught to aim for center mass. This guy was going for a head shot, which was foolish. Not sure a bullet proof vest will stop a high powered rifle round, maybe it will, but like someone else said Trump turned his head at the moment the first shot went off and that might have made all the difference.
In this case, where the guy is going to be in a state-of-the-art medical facility within fifteen minutes, and you want him dead, not just unable to golf for a while, you go for the head shot.Replies: @Mike Tre
4 KIA out of 45 puts the job way ahead of coal miner, police officer, and stunt pilot.Replies: @Mike Tre
1 out of every 11-12 coal miners, POs, and stunt pilots die on the job? I think you need to re calculate your mathemuhtations.
Serious question:
Once the authorities finally got into position & blew the shooters brains out, was he still shooting at anybody?
If not, woudn’t they want to catch him alive?
Wonder what that hat will sell for down the road. Piece of history for sure.
Once the authorities finally got into position & blew the shooters brains out, was he still shooting at anybody?
If not, woudn't they want to catch him alive?Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @Roderick Spode
That’s not a serious question, it’s a silly one. As long as a known threat is alive and armed you have to shut him down him ASAP.
As you know, our "intelligence" agencies have a long history of employing patsies to do their dirty work, & then terminating them when they're no longer useful.
All I want is a timeline. Was the shooter still dangerous when they killed him?Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
Texas actually passed a law in 1975 banning public education for children living illegally in the United States. Both branches of the the legislature were overwhelmingly Democratic at the time. The US Supreme Court held in Plyler v. Doe in 1982 that the law was un-Constitutional, which is one thing that really helped to set off the massive wave of illegal immigrants.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plyler_v._Doe
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/64th_Texas_Legislature
The overturning of California’s Prop 187 (passed in 1994) was another. If illegals are allowed government benefits (including what amounts to free child care) and states – whose agencies and law enforcement officers have far more day-to-day contact with illegals than feds do – aren’t allowed to help enforce immigration laws, then your border is basically wide open.
Agree with you about Republicans talking big about illegal immigration but doing nothing. That was Mitt Romney’s angle in 2012. He ran farther to the right on border security than anyone during the GOP primaries, but dropped the issue almost completely after securing the nomination.
That shouldn’t have come as a surprise. Romney’s campaign manager and best bud was former Utah Governor Mike Leavitt. While he was governor, Leavitt made Utah friendlier to illegal immigrants than any other Republican state, and most Democratic ones. He was instrumental in giving them driver’s licenses, in-state tuition, and undermining a voter-passed English-only law. Romney capped it all off by picking Paul Ryan, a former Jack Kemp protege who had actually campaigned against Prop 187 before he was even a congressman.
So yes, historically many Republicans have talked big about immigration and other issues while doing nothing. But increasingly we seem to be seeing action where once there was only talk. It’s doubtful whether it will be enough, but it’s happening.
Especially with the Kennedy family’s history with assassins.
They had enough manpower to park 26,000 soldiers and LEOs in D.C. for Biden’s inaugural, but not enough security to effectively protect Biden’s two main opponents in the presidential race. Any refusal to increase their security after this should be automatically viewed as Biden’s active endorsement of their assassination.
Wish Roosevelt Grier a happy 92nd today:
Rosey voted for Trump, by the way. His client’s grandson speaks out:
In the immortal words of Chuck Schumer, the intelligence agencies have six ways from Sunday to get back at you if you cross them.
So who goes first?Replies: @Prester John
Sorry, Harry – must disagree with you, for once.
As you know, our “intelligence” agencies have a long history of employing patsies to do their dirty work, & then terminating them when they’re no longer useful.
All I want is a timeline. Was the shooter still dangerous when they killed him?
“They knew he was on the roof but could not see him until he got into position and started shooting”
Sean, local police was on the roof with shooter, but backed down after shooter pointed rifle at him:
Today’s rally at the NYC Tman Tower looked fun:
However, had the "oral constitution" considered Shaka's actions "perfectly legal" then it wouldn't have cost him his life at the hands of his own family and staff.
And the fact that the assassination didn't lead to any revolt against the assassins indicates that his removal via violent means was more welcomed by the populace than was the violent removal of Julius Caesars or Saddam Hussein.
The general belief among the commentariot that Blacks are severely and especially subhuman is not supported in the facts.Replies: @Colin Wright, @Reg Cæsar
You start with the gratuitous human sacrifice of tens of thousands of innocents and manage to end up at that.
I’m impressed.
Oh, I would love to be wrong about this (i.e. I want him to win, and believe he won in 2020 aside from the vote fraud).
But it is odd that you and your ilk are so desperate to imagine that there is NOT vote fraud that assists Democrats, despite piles of evidence. You sound like a ‘conservative’ who wants to ‘conserve’ vote fraud for Democrats. That is the most perverse extreme of status-quoism imaginable. Cuckservatism at its purest.
Again, he would win a fair election, but certainly cannot clear the +5 to +7 fraud hurdle that the Democrats have systemically installed (which they have had 8 years to do, and have already been successful with once).
To clarify, I’m not Jewish on either side of my family: I am a born and bred Irish Catholic. I don’t even live in the USA, although I am a citizen and will be voting for Trump.
My point, my irascible friend, is that if there is a Democrat process for rigging elections, it works within a small margin of votes.
Rigging a (in terms of real vote counts) 49/51 election is going to be much easier than rigging a 47/53 election, right?
Now, I don’t expect Trump to win with quite so much of a margin as that, but surely you agree that the margin makes a difference w/r/t how easy it would theoretically be to both steal an election and hide it.
Trump’s margin in terms of real votes will likely be too large to cleanly steal.Replies: @The Wobbly Guy
I'd say more than probably since the Zulus had no system of writing.
This story has come down to us from the early white settlers who may not have been reliable sources either.Replies: @Reg Cæsar
Nevertheless, their descendants don’t appear to be too ashamed of it today:
https://www.blackpast.org/global-african-history/queen-nandi-1766-1827/
This article mentions twice that he was a registered Republican.Replies: @AceDeuce
In case you’ve missed the 100,000 posts that explain that Pennsylvania has “closed” primaries, meaning that you must be registered as a member of a particular party to vote in that party’s primary.
And many little libwipe pissants register Repub. to play little games like voting Haley in the last GOP primary to bring down Trump’s margin, or trying to sink a conservative GOP congressional or gubernatorial candidate in the primaries by voting for his more liberal opponent. They can still vote however they want to in the general election.
Also, nice beaches, and great snorkeling!
Is it their protocol that they ask a senior officer for permission to open fire on a suspicious person before that person has done anything illegal?
You never forget the glorious KD range!
https://andscape.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/gettyimages-51553877811.jpg?w=700
Rosey voted for Trump, by the way. His client's grandson speaks out:
https://twitter.com/bobbykennedyx/status/1812295197574979944Replies: @vinteuil
Well, indeed.
In the immortal words of Chuck Schumer, the intelligence agencies have six ways from Sunday to get back at you if you cross them.
So who goes first?
Anyone remember that old Costas-Gravas flick, Betrayed?
Remember how the shooter is set up, then killed immediately after he takes his shot or as he's going to?Replies: @J.Ross, @MGB
This raises the Ray Epps problem: you’re a fed if you act like a fed. If the kid is a patsy by some elaborate strategem, but he still at some point agreed to climb up the ladder and pick up the rifle, then it’s an academic distinction at best.
I saw those t-shirts a while ago…
Are you a fan of CCR my friend ?
They sung about Midnight Special LONG time ago…
Well, you wake up in the mornin’
You hear about Joe’s win
And they march you to the table
You see the same old thing
Ain’t no food upon the table
And no pork up in the pan
But you better not complain, boy
You get in trouble with the man
If you’re ever in Houston
Well, you better do right
You better not gamble
There, you better not fight, at all
Or the sheriff will grab ya
And the boys will bring you down
The next thing you know, boy
Whoa, you’re prison bound
There is also a book
Maybe the Dems who want rid of Biden won’t give such sage advice (if the idea even occurs to them).
https://cis.org/Report/Shaping-Texas-Effects-Immigration-19702020That's basically an entire city made up of illegals. Texas had a Republican majority in the 90s. Did you also want to make some excuses for their apathy and favoritism towards agri-business? Texas is a cattle state that relies on illegal labor. The Texas Republicans were happy to shove cash right up their assholes until the wave was too great. A bunch of whores just like the AZ Republicans. Have you ever spent time around actual Republicans? Half of them think the world is temporary and the second coming will fix it all anyways. Meaning you might as well just relax and buy a boat since Jesus is coming. This is the plan of half of them:
1. Get cash to buy a boat
2. Wait for Jesus to fix it allSo why not take some agri-cash and sit on your boat? What is the difference? Everything is foretold.Replies: @Curle, @Bardon Kaldian
Good grief
Anyone remember that old Costas-Gravas flick, Betrayed?
Remember how the shooter is set up, then killed immediately after he takes his shot or as he's going to?Replies: @J.Ross, @MGB
Also The International starring Clive Owen. Some communist dupe gets a shot off, misses, then the real gunman blows the brains out of the Italian politician on campaign stage below with a head shot from 2 floors above the commie. Cops burst into hotel room and shoot commie. Those wacky Italians!
I wonder who he was working for. This would have required some serious scouting and planning. How did he know that the Secret Service would not have the roof covered?Replies: @James B. Shearer
“… How did he know that the Secret Service would not have the roof covered?”
One possibility is that he didn’t and got lucky (or unlucky depending on your point of view). Nuts do crazy stuff all the time and sometimes just by luck it works out at least for a while. Suppose some police officer had walked up to him when he was wandering around looking vaguely suspicious and asked him what he was doing. And suppose he had answered he was there to shoot Trump and gotten arrested. Then it would have been a minor story soon mostly forgotten.
However, had the "oral constitution" considered Shaka's actions "perfectly legal" then it wouldn't have cost him his life at the hands of his own family and staff.
And the fact that the assassination didn't lead to any revolt against the assassins indicates that his removal via violent means was more welcomed by the populace than was the violent removal of Julius Caesars or Saddam Hussein.
The general belief among the commentariot that Blacks are severely and especially subhuman is not supported in the facts.Replies: @Colin Wright, @Reg Cæsar
That, or amending their constitution was a faster and more efficient process than amending our own!
Only two-fifths so, per our friend Curle– gotta have their seats!
He does make a good point that none* of Shaka Zulu’s actions would have violated the U.S. Constitution in any way whatsoever, if his state’s legal system had made room for them with its silence. If this is true, itnis nonetheless sick. Could it be that we are the ones “severely and especially subhuman”? Dresden, Nagasaki, Roe, Webster…
At the time, Congressmen were effectively exempt from the laws they passed, as the legislative branch could not be prosecuted by the executive. So their attacks on Nixon’s supposed hubris ring a little shallow. Same with Trump’s recent immunity, which Congressmen already enjoy. Congress’s coat of arms should depict a black pot.
The Austrian Catholic writer Erik von Kuehnelt-Leddihn made the point that such monarchies were less onerous to their people in some areas than are modern democracies. He gave military conscription and mandatory declarations of income as examples. L’état, c’est nous.
*Well, one of his actions– his styling himself monarch. Conveniently, though, the Kim dynasty of Joseon has found a workaround to that annoying nit: a nominally “republican form of government”!
If you listen carefully at 1:22, you can hear him shout "Wait! Wait! Wait!" to the agents who are trying to hustle him off the stage. He then raises his clinched fist, prompting huge cheers from the crowd.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYfvSspaJtk
Say what you will about the man, but he knows how to make a dramatic exit.Replies: @mc23
Trump like Achillies has his faults but he’s a fighter.
One possibility is that he didn't and got lucky (or unlucky depending on your point of view). Nuts do crazy stuff all the time and sometimes just by luck it works out at least for a while. Suppose some police officer had walked up to him when he was wandering around looking vaguely suspicious and asked him what he was doing. And suppose he had answered he was there to shoot Trump and gotten arrested. Then it would have been a minor story soon mostly forgotten.Replies: @Steve Sailer
Two guys attacked Trump during his first run for President and both incidents are virtually forgotten.
To me it seems like Trump has amazing situational awareness. I think the first show was the one that hit him and as soon as he touched his ear he realized what the situation was and dropped down. A tenth of a second later the SS was telling him to get down and rushing towards him.
Agree that it was weird they stood him up so quickly. They left an open spot that was in the direction of the shooter and filled it with a 5’6″ female agent.
Trump’s Luck is very much a real thing.
https://nicholasstixuncensored.blogspot.com/2024/07/the-president-reminds-one-of-another-of.html
That said, you do have a point about Trump's head being unnecessarily exposed as he was taken from the stage, allowing for the fact that he was unwilling to not stand up. Most of the agents were taller than him and they did do things like raise their arms to block a clear shot at his head to some degree, but NONE of the agents with the task of shielding him should have been shorter than he is. The number of females involved was lunacy for that reason. It makes you wonder if there was some DEI policy that the SS has imposed on itself that requires that female agents have an equal shot at that task, never mind that they ought to be disqualified from it.Replies: @dearieme
This question would go to Steve.
Over the years, you’ve written that the difference (basically more or less) between a black and white shooter in mass groups, or mass killings, is that a white shooter is that the white shooter isn’t planning on going home. That he’s willing to perish and take as many with him.
This situation, however, doesn’t necessarily fit the profile. (obviously the shooter is caucasian, no one disputes that). But this shooter at the Trump Rally wasn’t necessarily planning on suicide if he had succeeded.
How does the shooting of a specific individual, oftentimes of major public importance, in mass crowds, affect your thesis? Could the shooter just as easily have been black, all things considered? And had this horrific event succeeded, could the shooter have had an effective escape route planned? If he had planned it out so effectively, knew where to take his shots, etc. then couldn’t he have also planned an effective escape route? I’d suggest that the answer is yes, it’s certainly possible, that there was an effective escape route–unfortunately only the shooter knows what that was and he took the secret with him.
Because it doesn’t necessarily appear that suicide was his Plan B option. Unless of course, new information, additional details emerge that make it clear that the shooter wasn’t planning on returning home later that night.
https://www.unz.com/isteve/trump-shot-in-the-head/#comment-6660370
I wouldn’t fault the Secret Service for how the stage egress went:
Trump’s a big guy and refused to scurry under cover. If you watch the video he gives them orders and tells them to wait. The iconic photos were made possible by Trump being situationally aware of the political and historic significance of the moment. He used his strength and bulk to stand straight up in plain view to show the world he is in fight mode, despite the by-the-book flight protocol the SS agents were trying to execute. It was fortunate the SS agents gave some leeway to Trump and didn’t try to immediately brute force him off the stage.
Not in a million years.
If he had let the USSS scuttle him off the stage with his head down the media would have mocked him, they way they mocked him when he let himself be put in a secure area during the Antifa/BLM assault on the White House at the end of May 2020.Replies: @Colin Wright, @Jenner Ickham Errican
Is the secret service rotten with DEI, or did they lard his detail with the gomer Pyles of the department out of malice or deliberate malfeasance?
Also, Richard Spencer screen left. Wild scene!
It appears Jack D pruriently subscribes to BBC America.
It matters not if Trump gets in, or Biden gets in, or Kennedy gets in, the powers that be get what they want either way. All this is just theatrics created for the air gulping public to think that there is a functioning democracy. If they didn’t, they might get some ideas and unauthorized ideas are dangerous to those in power.
The ruling class may fight each other for top billing but they are all on the same side in being opposed to We The People.
They believe that their class as a whole is off limits.
It's why "Lock! Her! Up!" immediately turned into praise for Hillary the very moment that Trump won.
As George Carlin said, "it's a big club and you ain't in it"!
See here for more:
https://youtu.be/BzHYd2Uar6s
https://youtu.be/zB8a3aJW-o8
https://youtu.be/Wm2h8c2H83E
https://youtu.be/RbdMLip-_Hk
Our two New Yorkiest Presidents ever.
So this guy (who presumably was normal in a lot of ways) might have been capable of putting his rounds into the bullseye at the range. But when it came to actually shooting a man, he missed by a bit. Of course, he killed someone else -- but that was an accident.
People can tell themselves they're going to do something. They can even try to do it. But a lot of times, they just instinctively pull their punch a bit. It's how we survive as a species. We're social animals -- we need to miss. And here, note that an awful lot of warfare involves dehumanizing the enemy somehow. To kill him, we need to first stop thinking of him as another person.Replies: @Fluesterwitz, @Anon
So, an assassination gone wrong?
However, according to eye-witnesses interviewed by the BBC, he and other people saw the assassin climb up on to the roof of the nearby factory with a rifle and were calling out to the police and pointing to the guy.
*FOX is so lame. They've been showing the same clip for the last eight hours, while Zerohedge has already linked to videos of eye-witness interviews, a picture of the suspected perp dead, and a picture that actually shows the wake of a bullet whizzing past Trump's head.
https://twitter.com/HarazGhanbari/status/1812280749745410196
Zerohedge is reporting the name of the would-be assassin:
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/trump-bleeding-rushed-stage-after-shots-fired-pennsylvania-rallyReplies: @Jefferson Temple, @Anonymous
One state policeman or sheriff’s deputy on that roof would’ve prevented it. Didn’t have to be SS. It’s hard to imagine that they couldn’t have found someone in the weeks leading up.
I would have rolled my eyes at that image 3 years ago, but I’ve come around. When “Democracy” is under threat, anything goes.
That said, I read an argument, perhaps pundit doomerism or Blue MAGA conspiracy, that letting Trump win is a face-saving out for DNC leaders after the Biden debacle. It’s believable.
“But this shooter at the Trump Rally wasn’t necessarily planning on suicide if he had succeeded.”
He’d made up his mind he was never coming home.
Thanks
At the end yes. But before he gets up on the roof he hadn't done anything irreversible like kill his parents or something . After scouting the area he could have just gotten in his vehicle and driven home and nobody would have been the wiser. And maybe in twenty years he has gotten his life together and it is just a strange memory he only shares with his wife who doesn't really believe him.
As you know, our "intelligence" agencies have a long history of employing patsies to do their dirty work, & then terminating them when they're no longer useful.
All I want is a timeline. Was the shooter still dangerous when they killed him?Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
Probably not: by then he was dead.
All the pictures & videos I had seen made it look like (1) this kid climbed up on the roof with his rifle as bystanders watched and tried to alert law enforcement, which just ignored them. (2) he fired several shots, grazing Trump's ear & killing an innocent bystander. (3) ??? (4) law enforcement poses for a photo over the guy's dead body.
It's now apparent that law enforcement shot him dead a few seconds after he opened fire, stopping him in his tracks. So I guess they had him in their sights all along? Is that right?
Who actually killed him? Was it the local guy who we're now told pursued him up the ladder but backed down when threatened? Or the secret service snipers who we're now told were positioned behind Trump? Or somebody else?
Is there any plausibility to claims that the secret service was not just incompetent, but actually colluding in this attempted assassination?Replies: @Gandydancer
Non sided, Partisan-ish, non aligned with Left but still aligned with its basic values (it doesnt follow).
STEVE
PUT ON YOUR GREAVES AND SELECT A GLADIUS
YOU HEARD THE PRESIDENT
IN THIS COUNTRY
WE SETTLE OUR DISAGREEMENTS
IN THE
BATTLEBOX
It’s starting to sound like they’re going to blame local law enforcement, because the responsibilities were divided, but that still sounds wrong.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GSZ6D5jXQAAmGSP?format=jpg&name=largeReplies: @Trinity, @Gandydancer
Amazing photo, better propaganda shot than anything I can think of since the 2nd Iwo Jima flag raising (which was much less serendipitous), but the text on the shirt isn’t as good as Trump’s own words: “Fight! Fight! Fight!”
I hate the destruction of the meaning of the word “meme” (it should be reserved for things more like “Where’s the beef?!”), which will no doubt be applied to this image, but it’s clearly instantly iconic.
Nor were the filmmakers making the movie “Death of a President ” a movie about the assassination of George Bush. Nor was Kathy Griifin. Pretending so only makes us foolish.
Actually backing up your claim of “affiliation” instead of merely making it would make it clearer,
Your initial comment was directed to the entire South and its politicians, you’ve narrowed the scope of your claim.
I narrowed the scope because Texas is a good example.
Can also add Louisiana, Oklahoma and Florida to the list.
The Democrats are stuck. Fighting over dumping Biden would just make matters worse for them.
Of course, there is the point that Biden is going to be frigging brain-dead for his second term -- but the Democrats don't care about that. The country can go to hell as far as they're concerned. So they'll stick with good ol' Joe.Replies: @John Johnson
Yes, but that’s if Todd Tomorrow, the imaginary, wonderful Democrat is the nominee. Every poll I’ve seen of a specific, actual Democrat shows him doing worse or about the same as Biden.
I’ve only seen a poll showing Harris doing worse and that was well before the debate.
Everyone knows that Harris is terrible. That includes the Democrat establishment.
Any middle of the road Democrat would easily beat Trump.
No reason to take a risk on someone like Harris. Any no-name business minded White guy will do. John Smiley business owner. No one really cares, just get Biden out of there.
The Democrats are stuck. Fighting over dumping Biden would just make matters worse for them.
Well the Democrats in office are split on the idea of a new candidate.
Most Democrat voters now want a new candidate:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/07/11/democrats-biden-drop-out-poll/74364331007/
He needs to go. The majority of Americans do not want him as president.
His psycho control freak wife needs to drop her power mania and do what is right for Biden and the country.
Is there one with any name recognition, much less a power or donor base, outside his own state? The nationally known Democrats all seem to be whack jobs.Replies: @onetwothree
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I think there were about five in the House of Representatives who voted in favor of measures to keep illegal aliens from voting in federal elections.
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Please note the presidential nominating contests in the Democratic Party in 2020 and this year. This year, there were a couple of Democratic pols interested in challenging an incumbent who belongs in assisted living. They were kept off the ballot. In 2020, the Democrats had an unusually deep bench. This included three men who had founded prosperous businesses (of whom one had been an accomplished public executive), one man who had been both a corporation executive and a public executive, and a governor with a history of appealing to red state electorates. (There was at least one other governor running as well). The Democratic primary electorate took a glance at Michael Bloomberg and ignored everyone else.
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The candidates who were competitive were: (1) a corporate lawyer turned prosecutor turned member of Congress with a history of abusing subordinates; (2) a walking resume with an indifferent record as the mayor of a small city whose marketing hook was appending himself to the likes of Chasten Glezman; (3) a member of Congress whose previous employment was as a law professor whose career was crucially dependent on affirmative action fraud; (4) a Trotyskist in Congress who had some accomplishment as a small city mayor after a young adult life of failure; and (5) a demented racketeer who has been in public office since 1970 and whose entire population of 1st and 2d degree relatives is in on the grift. Amazing how the creativity of AUSAs seems to leave them on occasion.
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This is who Democratic voters find appealing. Get it through your head. Bill Bradley was last elected to public office in 1990. A voter who was in age at the 50th percentile of the electorate that year is now at the 90th percentile.
Consider Sean’s excellent analysis: while he had found a literal blind spot behind a tree and an unguarded approach, and some cover on the far slope of the roof, he must have known that he was dead as soon as he popped his head over the peak. Even if he had slipped back over the peak, the building would be swarmed.
https://www.unz.com/isteve/trump-shot-in-the-head/#comment-6660370
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2024/07/trump-campain-election-2024-susie-wiles-chris-lacivita/678806/
https://archive.ph/kRokT
His car never touched her.
John Johnson #354*:
Firehose away, but that blunder and, even more so, subsequent prevarications indicate that you’re not American. (You already squandered any benefits of the doubt during COVID.)
Where do you work-a, John?
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* subject to Whim
So this Johnson is not only supremely assured of his own righteousness, he can't even google-fu or use a chat AI effectively.
They spread fake news about him 24/7 for years trying to stop him but that didn’t work then they impeached him in Congress based off a kooky conspiracy theory but that didn’t work either. So they indicted him on some trumped up charges and convicted him in a kangaroo court but that didn’t work either. So then they resorted to their final plan trying to assassinate Donald Trump but fortunately that didn’t work and instead provided the world with some of the most iconic photos of all time showing Donald Trump surviving and assassination attempt and rising triumphantly. – Mark Dice
Of course there are a lot of questions about how this could possibly happen. How could Secret Service not secure the roof of a building just a few hundred feet away in direct line of sight of President Trump on the stage? How could they not have noticed the gunman was climbing up on there and getting himself into position? How could they not quickly alert Secret Service and pull president Trump off the stage as soon as multiple people started reporting and screaming that there was a gunman that they saw on the roof right next door?
Understandably a lot of people think that there was some kind of a conspiracy involved here – either looking the other way and allowing it to happen or having a hand in it somehow – but there might actually be a much simpler explanation instead of a conspiracy. It looks like it was diversity to expand hiring in the Secret Service, They’re aiming to have 30% women recruits by 2030.
What remains absolutely amazing, is that right after being shot, he gets up and mouths “fight fight fight” or something along those lines.
Could also be interpreted as giving an F-U to the shooter.
Day-um that does take some cajones, major major amount of cajones.
Incredible.
Biden rapidly proceeding into Stage 5 dementia, congresscritters weeping in fear with bags on their heads at the Jan 6 protest
vs.
Trump gets shot by a rifle, stands up, blood on his face, pumps his fist, and yells, "Fight, fight, fight!"
What a time to be alive.Replies: @Frau Katze, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Almost Missouri
I like to think he’s really saying F-U! to the shooter.
And by starting a general chant of “Fight! Fight! Fight!” he showed he was also saying F-U *on behalf of* all the others who have been “targeted” along with him, by the same repulsive villains.
How awesome would it be if every person at the Republican convention tonight drew a red blood streak on his face, to reply to those villains, “Message received, and F-U”?
Since the R party is part of the problem, they would never do anything like that. But maybe the rest of us should?
"So since at least 2016 there has been a parlor game among Leftist celebrities and entertainers joking (one hopes), dreaming, imagining, and just talking about the various and graphic ways they would like to assassinate or seriously injure Trump:
By slugging his face (Robert De Niro), by decapitation (Kathy Griffin, Marilyn Manson), by stabbing (Shakespeare in the Park), by clubbing (Mickey Rourke), by shooting ( Snoop Dogg), by poisoning (Anthony Bourdain), by bounty killing (George Lopez), by carrion eating his corpse (Pearl Jam), by suffocating (Larry Whilmore), by blowing him up (Madonna, Moby), by throwing him over a cliff (Rosie O’Donnell), just by generic “killing” him (Johnny Depp, Big Sean), or by martyring him (Reid Hoffman: “Yeah, I wish I had made him an actual martyr.”)."Replies: @Gandydancer
VDH’s list omits John McWhorter.
well, here's what actually happened. Crisis of Competence from Secret Service. in a related comment, way too many female agents on site for my liking.
this will be the end of outdoor rallies for Trump. note that when people got to the President the last couple times, it was outdoors. Trump. Reagan. Kennedy.
as the yinzer on this site, i'm permanently embarrassed. Pittsburgh is now the place where somebody tried to kill a President.Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Dnought
Late 90’s the 412 had the Baumhammers serial killing, to be replaced by something worse. Shame it couldn’t have been the North Hills that the shooter came from. Or from Homewood, McKeesport. You’d expect that coming out of McKeesport.
Dear I.J.
I apologize for dawdling with respect to failure to post yesterday – and now Mr. Kennett (and perhaps others) has stolen some of my thunder by first mentioning makeup sex. One should hope that your President has had a goodly number of non-rapey rapprochements following what one might suppose to be many discoveries of exertions outside his marital bed (or beds). These events were limned in a book reviewed by expat John Derbyshire (and surely not read by California’s dyslexic governor, Gavin Newsome) and written by Lionel Shriver: “Melania Mania.”
-or was I thinking of Sargent Shriver – who founded “Head Shot Start”? Alas, I am more ancient than Joseph Biden – grammar is dreadful – no longer sound like myself and have been compared to a falling-down, blind drunk David Cole/Stein on a very, very, very bad day.
Speaking ill of Gavin, Malibu Klaus Barbie has noted that “Wogs begin at Cali” (yes, I know that writing or uttering “Cali” should be a “hanging offense”)
My second-best sex was had in the course of buggering a guards officer. The brave chap did not so much as whimper when I went out with a “bang.” Mind you, I had been hiding the salami in Hyde Park – in February – Good God! It makes you proud to be British!
The greatest exhilaration I experienced while making the beast with two backs occurred shortly after being shot at without result in the North-West Frontier. Sadly, that Afghan affair with a cross-dressing Pashtun ended with a “botched withdrawal.” Fortunately, a good fellow whom a member of your tribe might call a “Bagel Lancer” tidied things up and settled the hash of the hashish-addled Musselman by rendering him into a human “swish” kebob.
I do hope that Mr. Sailer has been able to occasionally put away his Twittering Machine or what have you and come out of his closet.
As for myself, apart from rarely howling and twittering at the moon (a privilege which comes with membership in the London Spectral Klee Club), I mostly seal myself in what my many detractors call a “Privy of Privilege.” As you might imagine, visits to my old haunts are black dog-level depressing.
Giving It My (not very good) Best Shot,
Water Closed Churchill
noticed that a second or so after time elapsed.
clumsy recovery:
As your non-assassin Yank Wanker Too-Soon-Old-Too-Late-Maxwell-Smart secret agent said, "Missed it by that much."
Somebody shoot me,
W.C.
Where was Donald golfing this morning?
Once the authorities finally got into position & blew the shooters brains out, was he still shooting at anybody?
If not, woudn't they want to catch him alive?Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @Roderick Spode
Um, no?
What?
I apologize for dawdling with respect to failure to post yesterday - and now Mr. Kennett (and perhaps others) has stolen some of my thunder by first mentioning makeup sex. One should hope that your President has had a goodly number of non-rapey rapprochements following what one might suppose to be many discoveries of exertions outside his marital bed (or beds). These events were limned in a book reviewed by expat John Derbyshire (and surely not read by California's dyslexic governor, Gavin Newsome) and written by Lionel Shriver: "Melania Mania."
-or was I thinking of Sargent Shriver - who founded "Head Shot Start"? Alas, I am more ancient than Joseph Biden - grammar is dreadful - no longer sound like myself and have been compared to a falling-down, blind drunk David Cole/Stein on a very, very, very bad day.
Speaking ill of Gavin, Malibu Klaus Barbie has noted that "Wogs begin at Cali" (yes, I know that writing or uttering "Cali" should be a "hanging offense")
My second-best sex was had in the course of buggering a guards officer. The brave chap did not so much as whimper when I went out with a "bang." Mind you, I had been hiding the salami in Hyde Park - in February - Good God! It makes you proud to be British!
The greatest exhilaration I experienced while making the beast with two backs occurred shortly after being shot at without result in the North-West Frontier. Sadly, that Afghan affair with a cross-dressing Pashtun ended with a "botched withdrawal." Fortunately, a good fellow whom a member of your tribe might call a "Bagel Lancer" tidied things up and settled the hash of the hashish-addled Musselman by rendering him into a human "swish" kebob.
I do hope that Mr. Sailer has been able to occasionally put away his Twittering Machine or what have you and come out of his closet.
As for myself, apart from rarely howling and twittering at the moon (a privilege which comes with membership in the London Spectral Klee Club), I mostly seal myself in what my many detractors call a "Privy of Privilege." As you might imagine, visits to my old haunts are black dog-level depressing.
Giving It My (not very good) Best Shot,
Water Closed ChurchillReplies: @reactionry, @International Jew
oops – not “Water Closed” – should be of course, “Water Closet”
noticed that a second or so after time elapsed.
clumsy recovery:
As your non-assassin Yank Wanker Too-Soon-Old-Too-Late-Maxwell-Smart secret agent said, “Missed it by that much.”
Somebody shoot me,
W.C.
Bizarre that such a thing could actually happen without the existence of a formal censorship bureau but it has happened-21st century western media is not only beyond contempt but one wonders if they are able to describe an assassination attempt with fatal casualties in such a way what else they manipulate.Replies: @Stan Adams
Here is the initial coverage of the shooting from the three major cable news networks (CNN, MSNBC, and FNC).
CNN and Fox were carrying the rally live. MSNBC was showing the live video feed (with no audio) in a small box at the corner of the screen.
(The Archive.org TV News Archive breaks everything into one-minute chunks, but if you modify the URL you can get a six-minute clip. You might have to press the Play button twice.)
CNN:
https://archive.org/details/CNNW_20240713_220000_CNN_Newsroom/start/720/end/1080
Fox:
https://archive.org/details/FOXNEWSW_20240713_210000_Fox_News_Democracy_2024/start/4320/end/4680
MSNBC:
https://archive.org/details/MSNBCW_20240713_220000_The_Saturday_Show_with_Jonathan_Capehart/start/780/end/1140
It’s striking that CNN cut away from the live video feed almost immediately, even before Trump was rushed off the stage. Their political “analyst” even made a gratuitous January 6 reference within mere seconds of the shooting.
The MSNBC news drones were chattering on about God-kn0ws-what but managed to switch gears just in time to see a bloodied Trump shaking his fist in defiance.
For some reason the MSNBC news anchor’s delayed response reminded me of Peter Jennings on 9/11. When the first tower collapsed he wasn’t even looking at the monitor, and even after the control room cued up a replay he didn’t seem to realize precisely what was happening.
“The whole side has collapsed?”
“The whole building has collapsed!”
The whole BUILDING has collapsed?”
The timestamp is 1:07:39:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwiM_R9MR2M#t=1h07m39s
Trump’s a big guy and refused to scurry under cover. If you watch the video he gives them orders and tells them to wait. The iconic photos were made possible by Trump being situationally aware of the political and historic significance of the moment. He used his strength and bulk to stand straight up in plain view to show the world he is in fight mode, despite the by-the-book flight protocol the SS agents were trying to execute. It was fortunate the SS agents gave some leeway to Trump and didn’t try to immediately brute force him off the stage.Replies: @Mike Tre, @Harry Baldwin, @TWS
What you’re describing speaks to another point that has been debated here. Sailer and others have in the past referred to Trump as fat, while commenting that Biden is more svelte. The implication being that Trump is in poorer health than Sloppy Joe. I countered by saying Trump is more robust in appearance, and having that robustness is actually a sign of strength and good health relative to his age, whereas Biden OTOH looks feeble and frail – even with his own bulletproof vest on – and he clearly is. As it’s related to your post my observations were validated by Trump very obviously being able to duck and then stand up not only remarkably fast (relative to his age and size) but with coordination and balance. As you said the SS females couldn’t hold him down. Does anyone think Biden would have been able to stand back up with similar ease?
Not in a million years.
What do you exactly mean by “my ilk”?
To clarify, I’m not Jewish on either side of my family: I am a born and bred Irish Catholic. I don’t even live in the USA, although I am a citizen and will be voting for Trump.
My point, my irascible friend, is that if there is a Democrat process for rigging elections, it works within a small margin of votes.
Rigging a (in terms of real vote counts) 49/51 election is going to be much easier than rigging a 47/53 election, right?
Now, I don’t expect Trump to win with quite so much of a margin as that, but surely you agree that the margin makes a difference w/r/t how easy it would theoretically be to both steal an election and hide it.
Trump’s margin in terms of real votes will likely be too large to cleanly steal.
Declare a civil war?
The left may gamble that people, no matter how angry, would not go that far, precisely because the costs are so high.Replies: @Roderick Spode
What makes you think the people in charge have so much control that they can employ a 20 year-old shooter, tell him to just graze Trump (or is that a squib in your scenario, placed on Trump without his knowledge or he’s in on it?), then tell the cameramen not to hide because there’s only one shooter, but take photos as soon as they start moving Trump?
I agree that the current scenario seems improbable and one should be skeptical, but this particular outcome seems so difficult to arrange that it seems it must be real. I agree that one must be suspicious that the shooter was allowed to get so close by a Secret Service that at least was incompetent, but the more likely motive there was to blow his head off, not get some great photos, ie the opposite of the claim you linked.
Trump is so erratic, we don’t know what he will do about Iran, but he’s always had a more sober foreign policy than the deep state, which is why the jews largely attacked him, so we can only hope that sticks. I would only vote third party, but I don’t vote.
You misread his comment.
Excuse me? Do you not understand how FM radio waves work? How far they can go without geographical interruption? How old are you?!
The idea of a rap station you can only pick up when you’re in the hood is pretty funny though. Sounds like a Dave Chappelle sketch.
Ok fair enough.
Thanks
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/07/11/democrats-biden-drop-out-poll/74364331007/He needs to go. The majority of Americans do not want him as president. His psycho control freak wife needs to drop her power mania and do what is right for Biden and the country.Replies: @Ralph L, @Colin Wright, @Art Deco
Any middle of the road Democrat would easily beat Trump.
Is there one with any name recognition, much less a power or donor base, outside his own state? The nationally known Democrats all seem to be whack jobs.
I narrowed the scope because Texas is a good example.
Can also add Louisiana, Oklahoma and Florida to the list.Replies: @Curle
Texas was an outlier. Probably still is. In other words, Rs got active when the threat manifested itself and the voters told their candidates to ignore the Ryanistas. In relatively short order they made those instructions clear and Mr Ryan became Mr former leader.
Doesn’t the Secret Service have the option of getting assistance from local law enforcement agencies? I suspect the local county sheriff’s department would be fine with helping, and if needed, there are several larger counites nearby (it’s not far from Pittsburgh). One way or the other, they should have had the roof covered. Probably by posting a few officers next to the building to prevent unauthorized access.
They should have, but apparently didn't.
https://i.imgur.com/QOS2Hpql.png
A photograph by Evan Vucci of the Associated Press of a defiant but alive Trump – with blood on his ear and cheek, being rushed off stage by Secret Service agents, fist raised with an American flag in the background – became instantly iconic.Replies: @anon
Evan Vucci is the Chief Washington Photographer for the AP. He won the Pulitzer Prize in the past and is also an MMA fighter.
Trump’s a big guy and refused to scurry under cover. If you watch the video he gives them orders and tells them to wait. The iconic photos were made possible by Trump being situationally aware of the political and historic significance of the moment. He used his strength and bulk to stand straight up in plain view to show the world he is in fight mode, despite the by-the-book flight protocol the SS agents were trying to execute. It was fortunate the SS agents gave some leeway to Trump and didn’t try to immediately brute force him off the stage.Replies: @Mike Tre, @Harry Baldwin, @TWS
He used his strength and bulk to stand straight up in plain view to show the world he is in fight mode
If he had let the USSS scuttle him off the stage with his head down the media would have mocked him, they way they mocked him when he let himself be put in a secure area during the Antifa/BLM assault on the White House at the end of May 2020.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/07/11/democrats-biden-drop-out-poll/74364331007/He needs to go. The majority of Americans do not want him as president. His psycho control freak wife needs to drop her power mania and do what is right for Biden and the country.Replies: @Ralph L, @Colin Wright, @Art Deco
https://www.realclearpolling.com/latest-polls
If he had let the USSS scuttle him off the stage with his head down the media would have mocked him, they way they mocked him when he let himself be put in a secure area during the Antifa/BLM assault on the White House at the end of May 2020.Replies: @Colin Wright, @Jenner Ickham Errican
Indeed. That’s why this is the most impressive thing he’s ever done.
And many little libwipe pissants register Repub. to play little games like voting Haley in the last GOP primary to bring down Trump's margin, or trying to sink a conservative GOP congressional or gubernatorial candidate in the primaries by voting for his more liberal opponent. They can still vote however they want to in the general election.Replies: @Colin Wright
Hawaii has one date for the Republican primary, and another for the Democratic primary. You vote in one, switch registration, and vote in the other.
Also, nice beaches, and great snorkeling!
Seems likely, but…what about the IEDs found in his van? (Assuming that report is still correct.) Or maybe a suicide van attack was plan B if the sniper assassination proved to be not feasible, or vice versa?
So they found "explosives" in the vehicle of the shooter. Obviously he was planning to drive to DC and shoot at Biden before hoping on a commercial jet to take out Zelenskyyy.
All praise the brilliant alphabet agencies for stopping him!
The forms are all pre-written and printable with a single keystroke.
"Found ammunition" for one sort of Unwanted, "found child porn" for another kind of Unwanted, "found extremist literature" for a third, etc.
It isn't necessarily some big conspiracy though, it's just that while individuals are smart, mobs are dumb. And as audience members to The News® we are all regarded as members of various mobs who demand simple narratives.
So the puppet master provide.
See, there is room for thoughtful high-IQ individuals halfway between "The official version" and the Loony Toones, but in the era of democratized media ("EVERYONE has a voice worth hearing!"™) that space is to be found solely in the private minds of a few individuals because it's practically illegal in public.
High IQ non-loons, see HERE:
https://ydydy.substack.com/p/ministry-of-misinformation
As for the matter of today's shooting, here's what you need to know.
https://ydydy.substack.com/p/white-boy-summer
We are well past the point of taking it for granted it matters not if Trump gets in. They threatened Nixon with impeachment, and he resigned. Since then, out of Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush the Elder, Clinton, Bush the Lesser, Trump and Biden, we have had Clinton impeached once, and Reagan shot one. Trump was not only impeached twice and shot once, he has also been the only one arrested and charged with crimes in four jurisdictions on both state and federal charges. He was also the only one convicted on 34 felony counts. Pattern recognition tells us those in power really, really don’t like Trump in the White House.
Understatement at its best. Yep, they're very happy where they are, playing chess with people's lives and fortunes, or using them as specimens in a Petri dish to conduct social engineering experiments
etc.
They aren't about to let some loudmouth real estate magnate/television talk show host dislodge them from their perch.
And maybe he's grown. J. D. Vance is a huuuge improvement over Pence.
If he had let the USSS scuttle him off the stage with his head down the media would have mocked him, they way they mocked him when he let himself be put in a secure area during the Antifa/BLM assault on the White House at the end of May 2020.Replies: @Colin Wright, @Jenner Ickham Errican
Yes. Right now, amazingly, some are praising him (albeit in a qualified manner):
I can argue that Biden and the Democrats are a threat to democracy. Democrats are fighting to make the voting process as open to fraud as possible. Biden threatens to veto a bill that forbids illegal aliens from voting. Biden and Democrat district attorneys are using the legal system to attack their political opponents. Democrat lawyers have joined together in Project 65 to harass and disbar lawyers who support Trump. Democrats have worked with social media companies to suppress conservative opinion. Biden has ignored the SCOTUS's ruling on repaying student loans while Democrat-run states and cities defy SCOTUS's rulings on the Second Amendment. Democrats threaten to pack the SCOTUS to get rulings that favor them.
These are just some of the ways Joe Biden and Democrats represent a threat to democracy. Can someone compile a list of things Trump did as president that threatened democracy?Replies: @MEH 0910
"History will not be kind to Rush Limbaugh"--Andrew Anglin, article on Rush's death, which was posted by Unz Report in Feb '21.
Anglin's no leftist. Just sayin'
Amazin'
Trump the man, who many argue is a threat to American democracy
I can argue that Biden and the Democrats are a threat to democracy. Democrats are fighting to make the voting process as open to fraud as possible. Biden threatens to veto a bill that forbids illegal aliens from voting. Biden and Democrat district attorneys are using the legal system to attack their political opponents. Democrat lawyers have joined together in Project 65 to harass and disbar lawyers who support Trump. Democrats have worked with social media companies to suppress conservative opinion. Biden has ignored the SCOTUS’s ruling on repaying student loans while Democrat-run states and cities defy SCOTUS’s rulings on the Second Amendment. Democrats threaten to pack the SCOTUS to get rulings that favor them.
These are just some of the ways Joe Biden and Democrats represent a threat to democracy. Can someone compile a list of things Trump did as president that threatened democracy?
https://roddreher.substack.com/p/american-hero-or-american-neroReplies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @Gandydancer
Yes – leftists online showed no sympathy when Steve Scalise was shot, or when Rush Limbaugh died. They burned, looted, and committed violence all through the summer of 2020, supported by almost all of our major media, corporations, and sports leagues. Brett Kavanaugh was almost assassinated. And it’s been years now, and nobody has been held accountable in any real way. For anything. And conservatives are all back watching the sports leagues that supported this violence. We all need to understand that this is a problem that will not go away until we attack it at its roots.
"History will not be kind to Rush Limbaugh"--Andrew Anglin, article on Rush's death, which was posted by Unz Report in Feb '21.
Anglin's no leftist. Just sayin'
VIOLENCE ERUPTS AT TRUMP RALLY
-- as prosecutors refuse to prosecute.But media hucksters don't dare report this hit on Trump like that; their hypocrisy would be too glaring. So Biden now "prays" for Trump as wokesters offer their sincere & heartfelt condolences, while readying to spin Trump's misfortune to their advantage.Pushing gun control is an obvious option. But that could backfire if Trump doubled down on protecting the 2nd, which he likely would.As for me, I can't tell you how profoundly sad I am as the woke descend into widespread panic.:-)Replies: @That Would Be Telling
Why on earth would Trump “double down” on something he never did??? Despite the source this looks like a good summary. Fixed some injustices at the edges for individuals, but general support for broad based gun control hitting everyone, and of course the precedent of the bump stock ban which spawned more gun control.
One bottom line is we got more gun control under Trump and the initial two year Republican Congress, while we got less gun control under the mirror with Obama’s first two years; traitors tend to be more dangerous than enemies. And for facts on the ground with the Supreme Court, gains are meager outside of some Blue hellholes, maybe, and the portents poor.
As of late, his people removed every bit of pro-gun agenda from the platform, it’s only mentioned in one sentence with a list of generic things to support. That can’t be a good sign.
If reelected, I would expect this near miss with an AR-15!!! experience to result in pushing even harder for gun control. And before the assassin’s bullets flew, I doubted the Supreme Court would ever give us relief on “assault weapons” as they declined to do in the session this year for Illinois. After yesterday?? They just aren’t keen on fundamental rights, see Murthy v. Missouri gutting freedom of speech and the press.
And remember, he’s a pathological narcissist significantly beyond the norm for politicians, so it’s all about him, and to the extent he includes his family he can also posit ththeir being under threat.
All in all, for hard core RKBA types who have one justification of the RKBA as a touchstone for political character, the case is even worse today than in 2020 when we declined to vote for him. One reason politicians, especially the GOPe really hate us, we don’t reward betrayal and we have long memories. And we refuse to be actively complicit in our destruction.
Actually with the incidents that transpired on 7.13, it really was and will be for the rest of the campaign, all about him. Fist pumping after nearly losing one's life, incredible.
You can't take that away from him. He stood, he survived. The camera doesn't lie. Unlike Biden, he actually does know what transpired and went down.
Remember, Trump could have lifted the GHWB Republican ban via executive order on imported so-called assault rifles that the USA has been under for over thirty years, and yet we still have it.Replies: @That Would Be Telling
So I suppose this is the inverse of the ‘Trump startled by loud noises’ media take?
Agree that it was weird they stood him up so quickly. They left an open spot that was in the direction of the shooter and filled it with a 5'6" female agent.
Trump's Luck is very much a real thing.Replies: @Nicholas Stix, @Gandydancer
“The President Reminds One of Another of His Predecessors” (#29)
https://nicholasstixuncensored.blogspot.com/2024/07/the-president-reminds-one-of-another-of.html
Unintentional no doubt, but funny and apt nonetheless.
Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
The arrangement of the bleachers wasn’t determined with Trump’s future presence in mind, I believe. I’m not even sure that they aren’t a permanent feature of the site. It would anyway have been a lot simpler to simply deny access to the roof (and 17 others with line of sight, though the one used was the best for sniping from) or post a couple cops there.
However, according to eye-witnesses interviewed by the BBC, he and other people saw the assassin climb up on to the roof of the nearby factory with a rifle and were calling out to the police and pointing to the guy.
*FOX is so lame. They've been showing the same clip for the last eight hours, while Zerohedge has already linked to videos of eye-witness interviews, a picture of the suspected perp dead, and a picture that actually shows the wake of a bullet whizzing past Trump's head.
https://twitter.com/HarazGhanbari/status/1812280749745410196
Zerohedge is reporting the name of the would-be assassin:
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/trump-bleeding-rushed-stage-after-shots-fired-pennsylvania-rallyReplies: @Jefferson Temple, @Anonymous
It’s much worse than that. Security flagged him as a suspicious person near the metal detector area and he was supposed to have been followed.
You’re as unreliable on this as you are on everything else.
https://www.youtube.com/user/DemolitionRanch
How hard was that?
So you’re “on the Left” but also “non leftist”? Cognitive dissonance much?
As to the insinuation, I think we can be pretty sure that Trump didn’t invite some barely trained lunatic to shoot a bullet through his ear from well over 100 yards away in order to “create a martyrdom apparatus” for any purpose whatsoever, particularly given the fact that Biden is already toast and that the chances of Trump actually getting martyred would be significant. You are deranged.
Not cognitive dissonance but nuance. Being systematically vigilant against any social injustices. And the idea of progress is to move, traditionally forward, and not standing always on one-sided perspective.
I'm not on the democrat side. If i was American, would be quite difficult for me to vote on democrat politicians as well on republicans.
It's very unlikely a Biden victory. But i think Trump is too pro Israel, pro jewish to my taste... And during his first mandate seems he doesnt try hard to down the immigration waves to your country.Replies: @Gandydancer
There were 6-8 gunshots bro.
How do you know they weren’t observing the bystanders nearby who were making a fuss?
Wars are fought by men barely in their twenties. The would be assassin was a mere 20 years old and slim, hence with the l agility to quickly get on that roof after it had been checked and after Trump started speaking, he prolly expected to be spotted but though they were looking for him he using the slope for concealment until he had a line of sight on the Donald, whereupon Crooks had mere seconds as his head was skylined on the apex.
He was fearless because he must have known he'd be killed seconds after opening fire from such an exposed position. That gave him an edge over the security professionals who for all their training and equipment were ponderous and thinking of someone pre placed and firing from inside a building (and hence with a exit plan). Crooks was all different, in there like a rat up a drainpipe and did it knowing he was going to die.Replies: @J.Ross, @John Johnson, @Jack D, @Anon
There’s no reason to think that he assumed he’d be killed instantly.
shooter lining up his shot. rifle, no scope. was up there for a while. definitely not 'quickly into position for 1 or 2 shots before he knew he would die." lots of people saw him slowly, carefully get into position and line up his iron sights on Trump. many witnesses now on camera saying that he was there 2 minutes or more, while they tried to get the attention of security, who seemed to not be able to see the shooter, or...saw him and deliberately ignored him. some people say shooter even had a ladder, not sure about this.
https://twitter.com/CollinRugg/status/1812328186916835626Replies: @Anon
In the photo, had he shaved his head into a crew cut? Did he do that to blend in better with law enforcement?
I was scanning Twitter, and counted four posters more or less openly regretting that the shooter failed to kill Trump.
Three of the four were black. Make of that what you will.Replies: @Ron Mexico
They know how to use electronic devices?
So this guy (who presumably was normal in a lot of ways) might have been capable of putting his rounds into the bullseye at the range. But when it came to actually shooting a man, he missed by a bit. Of course, he killed someone else -- but that was an accident.
People can tell themselves they're going to do something. They can even try to do it. But a lot of times, they just instinctively pull their punch a bit. It's how we survive as a species. We're social animals -- we need to miss. And here, note that an awful lot of warfare involves dehumanizing the enemy somehow. To kill him, we need to first stop thinking of him as another person.Replies: @Fluesterwitz, @Anon
You don’t know it was an accident. You don’t know what he was aiming at in that second burst of gunfire.
All roofs? Other than the 2 roofs with SS snipers directly behind Trump, this guy was on the next closest roof. This isn’t Manhattan for fucks sake. Google earth it, there’s only a hand full of buildings over 1 story tall within a mile. And you’re suggesting having the SS on the 3rd closest roof wasn’t feasible?
“leftists online showed no sympathy when Steve Scalise was shot, or when Rush Limbaugh died.”
“History will not be kind to Rush Limbaugh”–Andrew Anglin, article on Rush’s death, which was posted by Unz Report in Feb ’21.
Anglin’s no leftist. Just sayin’
Backfire is the NATO designation for a Soviet bomber, or, more commonly, it refers to unintended fuel explosions in engines. I was nonplussed for a moment before realizing that you meant “return fire”.
I believe from diagrams I’ve seen that the death was from a really wild shot by Crooks into the crowd far in front of the podium, though people in the stands behind Trump were also hit.
“leftists online showed no sympathy when Steve Scalise was shot, or when Rush Limbaugh died.”
“History will not be kind to Rush Limbaugh”–Andrew Anglin, article on Rush’s death, which was posted by Unz Report in Feb ’21.
Anglin’s no leftist. Just sayin’
All roofs????? How about one fucking roof???
Other than the 2 roofs with SS snipers directly behind Trump, this guy was on the next closest roof. This isn’t Manhattan for fucks sake. Google earth it, there’s only a hand full of buildings over 1 story tall within a mile. No one expected the SS to have a sniper in every tree, just the closest buildings high enough to shoot from.
You’re suggesting or guessing having the SS on the 3rd closest roof wasn’t feasible? Try taking another guess.
All roofs????? How about one fucking roof???
Other than the 2 roofs with SS snipers directly behind Trump, this guy was on the next closest roof. This isn’t Manhattan for fucks sake. Google earth it, there’s only a hand full of buildings over 1 story tall within a mile. No one expected the SS to have a sniper in every tree, just the closest buildings high enough to shoot from.
And you’re suggesting having the SS on the 3rd closest roof wasn’t feasible?
It’s very related to money; they use it in ways most people cannot imagine. Currently, no paper or TV/Radio station can exist without lots of money obtained from ‘sponsoring’. With little effort you can control the lot if you put your money to work.
So … yes, it’s not about them getting more money, it’s about how to gain power with money. Same goes for sponsoring of academia, NGO’s, (local) governements. People will not ‘do the right thing’ beause of fear of their income (of course, many of them do not even know what ‘the right thing’ is).
It does seem ironic that this photo shows the one thing that the MSM for several decades has simply refused to do–show a white man publicly looking not dejected, not humiliated, and not wussy–but like a real man, full of stamina, strength, and above all pissed off and not gonna take it anymore. By getting back up on his feet again in total defiance, it’s the ultimate F-U to the establishment, system, etc. And it was a white man who remained strong. Because it happened in real time, there’s nothing that the MSM could do about it except let the camera tell the story. And for once, the message came through loud and clear.
Amazin’
Yeah, I mean, what are Adam Keefe and Kyle Farnsworth doing these days?
I have no idea what you are trying to say.
Try harder.
You are a shameless liar. That’s not what her autopsy said. And in the video of the Challenger approaching the crowd (the one from behind, with the guy swinging the sign at its bumper) you can see her head dead center over the roof. Did Scotty beam her out of there just in time?
LOL, I’m not American, but even I knew Eisenhower was a Republican. A simple google search would do it.
So this Johnson is not only supremely assured of his own righteousness, he can’t even google-fu or use a chat AI effectively.
Call it a crazy whim, but I have a feeling that this time, this incident on Trump will be long remembered for decades to come. Wonder if there’s an over under on whether Trump’s acceptance speech at the GOP convention will bring higher ratings than this years Super Bowl? If recent history has shown us anything, it’s that The Donald isn’t so easily to be counted out.
To clarify, I’m not Jewish on either side of my family: I am a born and bred Irish Catholic. I don’t even live in the USA, although I am a citizen and will be voting for Trump.
My point, my irascible friend, is that if there is a Democrat process for rigging elections, it works within a small margin of votes.
Rigging a (in terms of real vote counts) 49/51 election is going to be much easier than rigging a 47/53 election, right?
Now, I don’t expect Trump to win with quite so much of a margin as that, but surely you agree that the margin makes a difference w/r/t how easy it would theoretically be to both steal an election and hide it.
Trump’s margin in terms of real votes will likely be too large to cleanly steal.Replies: @The Wobbly Guy
Why not? What are the Trumpists or the rest of the US going to do even if the fraud is obvious?
Declare a civil war?
The left may gamble that people, no matter how angry, would not go that far, precisely because the costs are so high.
One bottom line is we got more gun control under Trump and the initial two year Republican Congress, while we got less gun control under the mirror with Obama's first two years; traitors tend to be more dangerous than enemies. And for facts on the ground with the Supreme Court, gains are meager outside of some Blue hellholes, maybe, and the portents poor.
As of late, his people removed every bit of pro-gun agenda from the platform, it's only mentioned in one sentence with a list of generic things to support. That can't be a good sign.
If reelected, I would expect this near miss with an AR-15!!! experience to result in pushing even harder for gun control. And before the assassin's bullets flew, I doubted the Supreme Court would ever give us relief on "assault weapons" as they declined to do in the session this year for Illinois. After yesterday?? They just aren't keen on fundamental rights, see Murthy v. Missouri gutting freedom of speech and the press.
And remember, he's a pathological narcissist significantly beyond the norm for politicians, so it's all about him, and to the extent he includes his family he can also posit ththeir being under threat.
All in all, for hard core RKBA types who have one justification of the RKBA as a touchstone for political character, the case is even worse today than in 2020 when we declined to vote for him. One reason politicians, especially the GOPe really hate us, we don't reward betrayal and we have long memories. And we refuse to be actively complicit in our destruction.Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Joe Stalin
“And remember, he’s a pathological narcissist significantly beyond the norm for politicians, so it’s all about him”
Actually with the incidents that transpired on 7.13, it really was and will be for the rest of the campaign, all about him. Fist pumping after nearly losing one’s life, incredible.
You can’t take that away from him. He stood, he survived. The camera doesn’t lie. Unlike Biden, he actually does know what transpired and went down.
Thank God for our little Canadian friends. Man, I haven’t been so proud of David Frum since he read me out of the conservative movement in his 2003 NR article, “Unpatriotic Conservatives.”
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2024/07/donald-trump-democracy-dictator/679006/
https://twitter.com/babybeginner/status/1812353348743684601Replies: @notbe mk 2
The Bab Bee and the Onion are the only news media you can fully trust.
I don’t doubt that he was prepped for a “best case scenario” but you can ignore the rest of it as immaterial.
So they found “explosives” in the vehicle of the shooter. Obviously he was planning to drive to DC and shoot at Biden before hoping on a commercial jet to take out Zelenskyyy.
All praise the brilliant alphabet agencies for stopping him!
The forms are all pre-written and printable with a single keystroke.
“Found ammunition” for one sort of Unwanted, “found child porn” for another kind of Unwanted, “found extremist literature” for a third, etc.
It isn’t necessarily some big conspiracy though, it’s just that while individuals are smart, mobs are dumb. And as audience members to The News® we are all regarded as members of various mobs who demand simple narratives.
So the puppet master provide.
See, there is room for thoughtful high-IQ individuals halfway between “The official version” and the Loony Toones, but in the era of democratized media (“EVERYONE has a voice worth hearing!”™) that space is to be found solely in the private minds of a few individuals because it’s practically illegal in public.
High IQ non-loons, see HERE:
https://ydydy.substack.com/p/ministry-of-misinformation
As for the matter of today’s shooting, here’s what you need to know.
https://ydydy.substack.com/p/white-boy-summer
Absolutely true.
The ruling class may fight each other for top billing but they are all on the same side in being opposed to We The People.
They believe that their class as a whole is off limits.
It’s why “Lock! Her! Up!” immediately turned into praise for Hillary the very moment that Trump won.
As George Carlin said, “it’s a big club and you ain’t in it”!
See here for more:
I think its a Rosie Grier reference.
Now do the hysteria about Sarah Palin’s “crosshairs” map and the Giffords shooting. Sauce for the goose…
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/01/did-sarah-palin-s-target-map-play-role-in-giffords-shooting/342714/
He was not just sending a message to the shooter, YZ. Trump was saying F-U to *everyone* who had taken a figurative shot at him—and who cravenly encouraged others to take literal shots—over the past eight years.
And by starting a general chant of “Fight! Fight! Fight!” he showed he was also saying F-U *on behalf of* all the others who have been “targeted” along with him, by the same repulsive villains.
How awesome would it be if every person at the Republican convention tonight drew a red blood streak on his face, to reply to those villains, “Message received, and F-U”?
Since the R party is part of the problem, they would never do anything like that. But maybe the rest of us should?
Just scroll down the page. There’s a pinned post from 2023, but posts about the shooting are below that.
With a nod to Sir Charles, the “Round Mound of Recount.”
What i mean being a non leftist progressivist, basically being a non jewishformed one, not a zombie neither a rat.
Like, knowing that social justice was not invented by Karl Marx (and our poor and forgotten man, Friedrich Engels), an impulse or a perception exist since the dawn of humankind.
Maybe you should consider the possibility that you misinterpreted Musk’s tweet, which may not have been as clear as to its meaning as you (and others) took it to be. The “they” in “They’re just talking puppets” may have been “Democratic candidates for President” rather than “Trump and Biden”. I admit that the latter is a more natural meaning in isolation, but it’s just a tweet, not an essay, and if Musk’s other acts (and the reference to “a switch”) are not consistent with that meaning perhaps you should consider another.
In Portuguese, CAGAR is the same as DEFECATE.
What i mean being a non leftist progressivist, basically being a non jewishformed one, not a zombie neither a rat.
Like, knowing that social justice was not invented by Karl Marx (and our poor and forgotten man, Friedrich Engels), an impulse or a perception exist since the dawn of humankind.
Is there one with any name recognition, much less a power or donor base, outside his own state? The nationally known Democrats all seem to be whack jobs.Replies: @onetwothree
Jimmy Carter
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/07/11/democrats-biden-drop-out-poll/74364331007/He needs to go. The majority of Americans do not want him as president. His psycho control freak wife needs to drop her power mania and do what is right for Biden and the country.Replies: @Ralph L, @Colin Wright, @Art Deco
Any middle of the road Democrat would easily beat Trump.
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I think there were about five in the House of Representatives who voted in favor of measures to keep illegal aliens from voting in federal elections.
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Please note the presidential nominating contests in the Democratic Party in 2020 and this year. This year, there were a couple of Democratic pols interested in challenging an incumbent who belongs in assisted living. They were kept off the ballot. In 2020, the Democrats had an unusually deep bench. This included three men who had founded prosperous businesses (of whom one had been an accomplished public executive), one man who had been both a corporation executive and a public executive, and a governor with a history of appealing to red state electorates. (There was at least one other governor running as well). The Democratic primary electorate took a glance at Michael Bloomberg and ignored everyone else.
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The candidates who were competitive were: (1) a corporate lawyer turned prosecutor turned member of Congress with a history of abusing subordinates; (2) a walking resume with an indifferent record as the mayor of a small city whose marketing hook was appending himself to the likes of Chasten Glezman; (3) a member of Congress whose previous employment was as a law professor whose career was crucially dependent on affirmative action fraud; (4) a Trotyskist in Congress who had some accomplishment as a small city mayor after a young adult life of failure; and (5) a demented racketeer who has been in public office since 1970 and whose entire population of 1st and 2d degree relatives is in on the grift. Amazing how the creativity of AUSAs seems to leave them on occasion.
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This is who Democratic voters find appealing. Get it through your head. Bill Bradley was last elected to public office in 1990. A voter who was in age at the 50th percentile of the electorate that year is now at the 90th percentile.
What the hell happened to heavy.com? Seems like it was bought out and gutted. Now sports gossip; feels like a ghost town.
Is it a possible instance of information suppression?
Say a billionaire doesn't like pesky non-mainstream news reporting inconvenient facts-- stuff contradicting favored narratives... what do? Well, just buyout 'em out!Replies: @Gandydancer
Heavy.com is sending all of its usual crap (~”302 mph crash”. ~”influencer died”, etc.) to my inbox though, now that you mention it, it is also sending more sports crap than I think it used to.
https://sonar21.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/image-16.pngReplies: @Gandydancer
From same source, “Alien Spaceship Discovered in Ice at North Pole”.
Are you trollling us or are you really that stupid.
But I repeat myself.
GToD will tell you the same.
Interesting point about the would-be assassin.
Has been described as ‘intelligent’ by some of his contemporaries, and won a $500 award, and yet his employment was the lowest of the low as far as corporate jobs go.
Working as a dietary aide in a nursing home is about as low as you can go. This title basically means an unskilled assistant cook in a cafeteria.
This is an entry-level job that does not require a high school diploma. It is lower than a nurse’s aide, which usually requires a 3-month training and certificate and passing an exam. (May vary between states.)
It is the kind of job where you are more likely to find a Haitian woman who speaks imperfect English. Not a heritage white high-school graduate born in the USA.
Responsibilities might include putting food onto trays with partitions, making sure that the food matches a dietician’s orders (for example pureed food, diabetic diet), delivering trays to rooms of patients, checking that the name on the tray matches the person receiving it, and picking up trays to return to the kitchen, washing trays.
The most advanced and responsible task that a dietary aide might do would be to estimate and record the percentage of a meal that was eaten, or at least the percentage left on the tray. This information might be relayed to a nurse who would evalutate why a patient is not eating.
The fact of being employed in such a lowly job could be an indication of some kind of mental health problems.
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You have a gander at pictures of him taken over the years, and he looks vulnerable, and that is not what a youth wants to be. There's been news chatter that he was bullied in school, but it doesn't appear as if anyone gave him instruction to which he'd listen with the aim of helping him navigate his world better.Replies: @deep anonymous, @anonymous, @Pat Kittle
Look (well, up until the assassination attempt) he wasn't actually trying to kill anyone. He had a job...
It might be interesting to compare photojournalists to journalists in personalities, politics, etc.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2024/07/donald-trump-democracy-dictator/679006/Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
LOL. Frum is loathsome. Does he have citizenship or can Trump send him back to Canada?
Agree that it was weird they stood him up so quickly. They left an open spot that was in the direction of the shooter and filled it with a 5'6" female agent.
Trump's Luck is very much a real thing.Replies: @Nicholas Stix, @Gandydancer
You are a loon. It took quite some time for them to allow Trump to stand up, and the female agent was on the opposite side of Trump from the by-then-dead shooter.
That said, you do have a point about Trump’s head being unnecessarily exposed as he was taken from the stage, allowing for the fact that he was unwilling to not stand up. Most of the agents were taller than him and they did do things like raise their arms to block a clear shot at his head to some degree, but NONE of the agents with the task of shielding him should have been shorter than he is. The number of females involved was lunacy for that reason. It makes you wonder if there was some DEI policy that the SS has imposed on itself that requires that female agents have an equal shot at that task, never mind that they ought to be disqualified from it.
If so, how amateurish.Replies: @Gandydancer, @Ralph L
I apologize for dawdling with respect to failure to post yesterday - and now Mr. Kennett (and perhaps others) has stolen some of my thunder by first mentioning makeup sex. One should hope that your President has had a goodly number of non-rapey rapprochements following what one might suppose to be many discoveries of exertions outside his marital bed (or beds). These events were limned in a book reviewed by expat John Derbyshire (and surely not read by California's dyslexic governor, Gavin Newsome) and written by Lionel Shriver: "Melania Mania."
-or was I thinking of Sargent Shriver - who founded "Head Shot Start"? Alas, I am more ancient than Joseph Biden - grammar is dreadful - no longer sound like myself and have been compared to a falling-down, blind drunk David Cole/Stein on a very, very, very bad day.
Speaking ill of Gavin, Malibu Klaus Barbie has noted that "Wogs begin at Cali" (yes, I know that writing or uttering "Cali" should be a "hanging offense")
My second-best sex was had in the course of buggering a guards officer. The brave chap did not so much as whimper when I went out with a "bang." Mind you, I had been hiding the salami in Hyde Park - in February - Good God! It makes you proud to be British!
The greatest exhilaration I experienced while making the beast with two backs occurred shortly after being shot at without result in the North-West Frontier. Sadly, that Afghan affair with a cross-dressing Pashtun ended with a "botched withdrawal." Fortunately, a good fellow whom a member of your tribe might call a "Bagel Lancer" tidied things up and settled the hash of the hashish-addled Musselman by rendering him into a human "swish" kebob.
I do hope that Mr. Sailer has been able to occasionally put away his Twittering Machine or what have you and come out of his closet.
As for myself, apart from rarely howling and twittering at the moon (a privilege which comes with membership in the London Spectral Klee Club), I mostly seal myself in what my many detractors call a "Privy of Privilege." As you might imagine, visits to my old haunts are black dog-level depressing.
Giving It My (not very good) Best Shot,
Water Closed ChurchillReplies: @reactionry, @International Jew
Wow, that only got better and better as you went along!
Could be that or it could be a deficit of drive and personal discipline. His parents are professional people, but there’s no indication to date he’s enrolled in any of Pennsylvania’s state colleges. The smart money says he works in dietary because that’s the job he could find, that he settled for the job he could find because he was given an ultimatum by his parents or because the job was made available consequent to a personal connection between the family and a supervisor there. The smart money also says he entered the labor force later than his peers and / or has been fired from a number of places in his young life and cannot get a supervisor’s reference. Mental health tradesmen slap the label ‘depression’ on this phenomenon.
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You have a gander at pictures of him taken over the years, and he looks vulnerable, and that is not what a youth wants to be. There’s been news chatter that he was bullied in school, but it doesn’t appear as if anyone gave him instruction to which he’d listen with the aim of helping him navigate his world better.
The reporting so far is that he had no history of mental illness.
His supervisor said he performed his job without problems.
Could he have been delaying school to care for an ailing family member?Replies: @Art Deco, @Jack D, @Curle
well, here's what actually happened. Crisis of Competence from Secret Service. in a related comment, way too many female agents on site for my liking.
this will be the end of outdoor rallies for Trump. note that when people got to the President the last couple times, it was outdoors. Trump. Reagan. Kennedy.
as the yinzer on this site, i'm permanently embarrassed. Pittsburgh is now the place where somebody tried to kill a President.Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Dnought
“Crisis of Competence”. Agree, been using the same term since I first saw the footage and read the details of this assassination attempt. Saw the same thing over the last 10-15 years in my own, very different branch of government work.
Anybody remember the Secret Service scandals in the late Obama years? DEI was pushed at the SS in part, as a reaction to those.
https://lippincott.substack.com/p/the-secret-service-is-a-clown-organization
Nonsense. Trump may not have had as many agents as we might want protecting him, but the real reason he got shot was lousy PLANNING by the Secret Service. There were only 18 buildings with a clear line of sight to the podium (h/t the Task and Purpose YouTube channel for a map of this) and there couldn’t not be enough resources to post a couple cops on each. Local cops or rent-a-cops with pistols (no rifles! – you don’t want more potential shooters) could have accomplished the task just fine, so how expensive could that be?
Agree.
They should have, but apparently didn’t.
“… those in power really, really don’t like Trump in the White House.”
Understatement at its best. Yep, they’re very happy where they are, playing chess with people’s lives and fortunes, or using them as specimens in a Petri dish to conduct social engineering experiments
etc.
They aren’t about to let some loudmouth real estate magnate/television talk show host dislodge them from their perch.
Good commentary by PJW about assassination attempt.
https://youtube.com/shorts/71KTeTgIJWs?si=b4vcNcI7c1KEu3vR
Sorry about that. I didn’t know about Twitter’s innovative punish-visitors policy until Ralph L. explained it.
Here’s a follow-up tweet from Sunday night — video of another group of outside-the-perimeter attendees trying to draw cops’ attention to the soon-to-be shooter clambering up the roof, as Trump is heard orating in the background.
I truly wish they had a better outlet as this music can turn White 18 year olds into complete idiots.
They had one…..50’s/60’s Motown was actual music! Abandoned in the 80’s for the current version of subliterate tribal thumping!
In the immortal words of Chuck Schumer, the intelligence agencies have six ways from Sunday to get back at you if you cross them.
So who goes first?Replies: @Prester John
Whether he intended to do so or not, Schumer spoke volumes in those few words.
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You have a gander at pictures of him taken over the years, and he looks vulnerable, and that is not what a youth wants to be. There's been news chatter that he was bullied in school, but it doesn't appear as if anyone gave him instruction to which he'd listen with the aim of helping him navigate his world better.Replies: @deep anonymous, @anonymous, @Pat Kittle
Somewhat related to the mental health angle, it would be interesting to know whether this guy had a history of substance abuse. No matter how intelligernt someone is, if they are alcoholic or addicted to drugs, they can royally screw up their career and employment prospects.
Center mass is great if you just want the guy to be out of commission for the foreseeable future.
In this case, where the guy is going to be in a state-of-the-art medical facility within fifteen minutes, and you want him dead, not just unable to golf for a while, you go for the head shot.
One bottom line is we got more gun control under Trump and the initial two year Republican Congress, while we got less gun control under the mirror with Obama's first two years; traitors tend to be more dangerous than enemies. And for facts on the ground with the Supreme Court, gains are meager outside of some Blue hellholes, maybe, and the portents poor.
As of late, his people removed every bit of pro-gun agenda from the platform, it's only mentioned in one sentence with a list of generic things to support. That can't be a good sign.
If reelected, I would expect this near miss with an AR-15!!! experience to result in pushing even harder for gun control. And before the assassin's bullets flew, I doubted the Supreme Court would ever give us relief on "assault weapons" as they declined to do in the session this year for Illinois. After yesterday?? They just aren't keen on fundamental rights, see Murthy v. Missouri gutting freedom of speech and the press.
And remember, he's a pathological narcissist significantly beyond the norm for politicians, so it's all about him, and to the extent he includes his family he can also posit ththeir being under threat.
All in all, for hard core RKBA types who have one justification of the RKBA as a touchstone for political character, the case is even worse today than in 2020 when we declined to vote for him. One reason politicians, especially the GOPe really hate us, we don't reward betrayal and we have long memories. And we refuse to be actively complicit in our destruction.Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Joe Stalin
Remember, Trump could have lifted the GHWB Republican ban via executive order on imported so-called assault rifles that the USA has been under for over thirty years, and yet we still have it.
To me, the issue is why wouldn’t he enroll at a community college or local state university, even if all he could get was a low-level position? There definitely seems to be issues there.
BTW, the Left is spying on you.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/investigations/2024/07/14/trump-shooting-gunman-father-ar-15/74401175007/
Harper:
It wasn’t his “proudest wank”.
Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
That blockquote headline under the MORE tag was supposed to include a link to a Reddit thread (which popped up in a Google search). Reddit doesn’t play nice with inbound links, I guess.
https://www.unz.com/announcement/bugs-suggestions-2/?showcomments#comment-5257025
Nah, it’s lower than assistant cook. DA’s are the ones who distribute meals to patients. In 1199 shops, assistant cooks (food prep and no actual cooking) are 9H classification while DAs are 11H classification. (The lower the number the higher the pay.)
Operation Get Behind The Darky
Other than the 2 roofs with SS snipers directly behind Trump, this guy was on the next closest roof. This isn't Manhattan for fucks sake. Google earth it, there's only a hand full of buildings over 1 story tall within a mile. No one expected the SS to have a sniper in every tree, just the closest buildings high enough to shoot from.
And you're suggesting having the SS on the 3rd closest roof wasn't feasible?Replies: @trevor
He could have been shot ftom a one story roof. There must be DOZENS of them within rifle range.
https://www.unz.com/aanglin/donald-trump-shot/#comment-6659636
But nevertheless SS probably did screw up wrt that roof.
Anyway, why do you have to post your histrionic vulgar respond not once, not twice, but three (3) times???
Are you a fucking [sic] (your word) retarded cretin by any chance?
Eat Shit And Die already “for fuck’sake”[sic again]
I chose the closest building without any SS snipers. My apologies for expecting the closest roof perch available to be secured.
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You have a gander at pictures of him taken over the years, and he looks vulnerable, and that is not what a youth wants to be. There's been news chatter that he was bullied in school, but it doesn't appear as if anyone gave him instruction to which he'd listen with the aim of helping him navigate his world better.Replies: @deep anonymous, @anonymous, @Pat Kittle
He made good grades and won a math & science award. That shows a deficit of drive and discipline?
The reporting so far is that he had no history of mental illness.
His supervisor said he performed his job without problems.
Could he have been delaying school to care for an ailing family member?
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The two are not inconsistent. School work is done within a particular structure and he may have thrived within it but not when he had to set his own goals and make his own moves.
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He may have a disabled family member, but nothing has emerged so far which indicates that. There's nothing anomalous about eschewing higher education if you're from a generic family, but both parents appear to be in credential-driven licensed occupations.
See pictures.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13640369/trump-shooter-thomas-matthew-crooks-friends-combat-gear.html
Re Anglin column – see Yukon Jack comment #63 for bullet trajectory.
https://www.youtube.com/user/DemolitionRanch
How hard was that?Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
Have you ever been diagnosed with autism?
“Failure to launch” is not at all uncommon these days. And their heads are being filled with socially toxic rhetoric (literally Hitler, killing the planet, killing meemaw etc.)
BTW, the Left is spying on you.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/investigations/2024/07/14/trump-shooting-gunman-father-ar-15/74401175007/
Remember, Trump could have lifted the GHWB Republican ban via executive order on imported so-called assault rifles that the USA has been under for over thirty years, and yet we still have it.Replies: @That Would Be Telling
Thanks a lot! I generally avoid like the plague such video info pieces, but this guy is very good, reasonably concise and fast talking (he’s evidently a lawyer after all), and brought up things I was not aware of, like the full list of “AW” ban appeals the Supreme Court refused to hear this year (four total) … I’ll be paying attention to him going forward.
Yep. Hard to imagine that the man in charge was not a Fed.
Maybe, I haven’t seen that Tweet, I only saw this article.
https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2024/06/28/elon-musk-dismisses-joe-biden-and-donald-trump-as-talking-puppets/
I think Musk was told by those in the know that Trump will be the next President and that he should probably pitch in for Trump’s campaign if he knows what’s good for his defense contracting side of business, and that he definitely shouldn’t call Trump a puppet publicly (that’s not good for “our democracy”).
video timeline. at least a dozen people outside the perimeter see and identify the shooter and are screaming for police or SS to notice. local police do seem to realize something is going on and are investigating.
just on these videos, shooter has 2 minutes on the roof. more time IRL. fired 8 shots apparently. he’s not a great shot then, as his high school said. kicked off the Bethel Park rifle team for being terrible (didn’t realize any Pittsburgh high school still had rifle. my high school shut down the rifle team in the early 80s.)
my rough numbers were off too. definitely not ye olde and cheap Soviet .30 caliber weapon. not 2400 FPS. 55 grain .223 rounds at 3200 FPS or 62 grains at 3000 FPS. i’m wrong by 600 to 800 FPS. guy took his parent’s rifle and drove his own car there.
Here's a follow-up tweet from Sunday night -- video of another group of outside-the-perimeter attendees trying to draw cops' attention to the soon-to-be shooter clambering up the roof, as Trump is heard orating in the background.
https://twitter.com/DC_Draino/status/1812642041391915384Replies: @Moshe Def
Can’t spell “Disgrace” without “D.I.E.”
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You have a gander at pictures of him taken over the years, and he looks vulnerable, and that is not what a youth wants to be. There's been news chatter that he was bullied in school, but it doesn't appear as if anyone gave him instruction to which he'd listen with the aim of helping him navigate his world better.Replies: @deep anonymous, @anonymous, @Pat Kittle
Young White males today are raised to believe they have great unearned “privilege,” which of course is a 180° lie.
For whatever their reasons, American citizens of whatever demographic who perform low-status but necessary & honorable work should not be scorned, mocked, or dismissed as “mental.”
That attitude actually diminishes mental health — and promotes the Ponzi scam of mass immigration.
Tyler Austin Harper is going to catch hell for writing that.
https://archive.ph/8OrZl
Trump’s Florida case was just dismissed, confirming what I have been saying for months, that Trump had already beaten the 37 criminal charges in the classified docs case and it was just a matter of time before he was completely vindicated and exonerated.
For those of you who thought otherwise, like John Johnson, I am sure you are thinking right now Trump was just lucky, he really dodged a bullet by having the judge throw out the case.
The executive branch cannot just make up offices, appoint who they feel like to those offices, and have taxpayers pay for them.
SCOTUS has smacked down this, Chevron, and the prosecution of presidents. None of it would have happened without the justices that DJT appointed.
https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1812394300405170413
https://twitter.com/StephenPiment/status/1812298432973009372
Look, people – at the time I posted my questions, it was very unclear what, exactly, happened when, exactly.
All the pictures & videos I had seen made it look like (1) this kid climbed up on the roof with his rifle as bystanders watched and tried to alert law enforcement, which just ignored them. (2) he fired several shots, grazing Trump’s ear & killing an innocent bystander. (3) ??? (4) law enforcement poses for a photo over the guy’s dead body.
It’s now apparent that law enforcement shot him dead a few seconds after he opened fire, stopping him in his tracks. So I guess they had him in their sights all along? Is that right?
Who actually killed him? Was it the local guy who we’re now told pursued him up the ladder but backed down when threatened? Or the secret service snipers who we’re now told were positioned behind Trump? Or somebody else?
Is there any plausibility to claims that the secret service was not just incompetent, but actually colluding in this attempted assassination?
2) The local police chief apparently said the local cop fell off the ladder when Crooks pointed the gun at him rather than just "backed down".
3) You didn't have to be "told" that the counter-fire team was positioned behind Trump. They were plainly visible in any wide shot of the stage. More interestingly they seem to have had their rifles aimed at Crooks for a long time -- 42 seconds is the number I've seen-- before he opened fire. With the equipment they had and hjs lack of concealment the head shot was an easy one. The question is why he was allowed to get off eight shots.
4) "Is there any plausibility to claims that the secret service was not just incompetent, but actually colluding in this attempted assassination?"
You've got it backwards. One hesitates to dismiss incompetence, but is THIS LEVEL of incompetence and failure to act plausible? Maybe. Barely. Or maybe not.
Yes, without an account, a named Twitter feeds only shows “greatest hits”. You can see still individual tweets if you have the URL, though.
Or you can use a Nitter instance, if you can find one still active, e.g., at https://status.d420.de/
Say what you like about Trump, but he's a man. And we can't spare him, he fights.Replies: @Sulu
No doubt about that. All his life he had beautiful women around him. And now this shows he has balls as big as church bells. The picture of him with blood on his face and his fist in the air is as iconic as the picture of the American flag being raised at Iwo Jima.
Sulu
Best analysis of the Corporate Media lockstep in reporting.
https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/special-bulletin-america-teeters
Please tell me I’m the first to say, “stochastic assassination”.
Breaking news:
Trump Picks J.D. Vance As Running Mate
“Swing” applies to Senate races, too.You didn't clarify anything. Maybe next time ask for a source or try reading outside your safe space at Unz. It's a myth that blue state Dems always support open borders. NYC Democrats are actually in a fight with Biden. They're sick of having busses of illegals dropped on them. Even NYC Democrats have their limits. New York is not a swing state and their social services are being overloaded with illegals. 77 Democrats criticize Biden over immigration policy
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/77-democrats-criticize-biden-border-asylum-policy-rcna67617However, the cynical Palmer Raids, sent only to Republican states, were a Democratic administration’s attempt to game the U.S. Census, which began the same day, and would determine apportionment. You are actually referring to a raid from 1920? That was well before Operation Wetback which was under a Democrat in 1954
https://www.history.com/news/operation-wetback-eisenhower-1954-deportationDemocrats were once the anti-illegal immigration party in favor of US labor. Southern Republicans have long been for looking the other way on Mexican illegals in favor of agri-business. Their opposition is historically quite recent.Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @The Anti-Gnostic, @Curle, @Gandydancer
John Johnson thinks President Eisenhower was a Democrat. Take anything he says about anything being “historically” true with a corresponding block of salt.
Obviously all those deep-blue “sanctuary” cities are not “opposed to” the Invasion, they just have NIMBYist regrets when the invaders are shipped into their locales instead of remaining where they were dumped into red areas in a Democrat attempt to turn them purple or blue.
In this case, where the guy is going to be in a state-of-the-art medical facility within fifteen minutes, and you want him dead, not just unable to golf for a while, you go for the head shot.Replies: @Mike Tre
If you or the shooter knew anything about the cavitation effects of a high powered rifle (specifically a green tip) round to the chest, you might think rethink your opinion.
All the pictures & videos I had seen made it look like (1) this kid climbed up on the roof with his rifle as bystanders watched and tried to alert law enforcement, which just ignored them. (2) he fired several shots, grazing Trump's ear & killing an innocent bystander. (3) ??? (4) law enforcement poses for a photo over the guy's dead body.
It's now apparent that law enforcement shot him dead a few seconds after he opened fire, stopping him in his tracks. So I guess they had him in their sights all along? Is that right?
Who actually killed him? Was it the local guy who we're now told pursued him up the ladder but backed down when threatened? Or the secret service snipers who we're now told were positioned behind Trump? Or somebody else?
Is there any plausibility to claims that the secret service was not just incompetent, but actually colluding in this attempted assassination?Replies: @Gandydancer
1) Why was there a ladder to the roof instead of cops on the roof?
2) The local police chief apparently said the local cop fell off the ladder when Crooks pointed the gun at him rather than just “backed down”.
3) You didn’t have to be “told” that the counter-fire team was positioned behind Trump. They were plainly visible in any wide shot of the stage. More interestingly they seem to have had their rifles aimed at Crooks for a long time — 42 seconds is the number I’ve seen– before he opened fire. With the equipment they had and hjs lack of concealment the head shot was an easy one. The question is why he was allowed to get off eight shots.
4) “Is there any plausibility to claims that the secret service was not just incompetent, but actually colluding in this attempted assassination?”
You’ve got it backwards. One hesitates to dismiss incompetence, but is THIS LEVEL of incompetence and failure to act plausible? Maybe. Barely. Or maybe not.
This is possibly relevant:
https://www.unz.com/announcement/bugs-suggestions-2/?showcomments#comment-5257025
Possibly hesitated as in a badly organised mess it could have been a local cop, but why didn’t he shout ‘get the President down’ over the radio when he saw an unidentified sniper, maybe he did, their reactions were poorer than a 77 year old man after all.
That said, you do have a point about Trump's head being unnecessarily exposed as he was taken from the stage, allowing for the fact that he was unwilling to not stand up. Most of the agents were taller than him and they did do things like raise their arms to block a clear shot at his head to some degree, but NONE of the agents with the task of shielding him should have been shorter than he is. The number of females involved was lunacy for that reason. It makes you wonder if there was some DEI policy that the SS has imposed on itself that requires that female agents have an equal shot at that task, never mind that they ought to be disqualified from it.Replies: @dearieme
My wife points out that Trump is not only tall but is a pink-skinned blond. So he is a rather obvious target amongst the Secret Service agents in their dark suits. Can it really be true that nobody has devoted a moment’s thought to how to dress the agents in light of the physical characteristics of their “principal” i.e. the person being guarded?
If so, how amateurish.
As to the insinuation, I think we can be pretty sure that Trump didn't invite some barely trained lunatic to shoot a bullet through his ear from well over 100 yards away in order to "create a martyrdom apparatus" for any purpose whatsoever, particularly given the fact that Biden is already toast and that the chances of Trump actually getting martyred would be significant. You are deranged.Replies: @Santoculto
Non left, non sided. Non this jewish taken, dangerous, suicidal cult ish Left. That is.
Not cognitive dissonance but nuance. Being systematically vigilant against any social injustices. And the idea of progress is to move, traditionally forward, and not standing always on one-sided perspective.
I’m not on the democrat side. If i was American, would be quite difficult for me to vote on democrat politicians as well on republicans.
It’s very unlikely a Biden victory. But i think Trump is too pro Israel, pro jewish to my taste… And during his first mandate seems he doesnt try hard to down the immigration waves to your country.
Trump’s a big guy and refused to scurry under cover. If you watch the video he gives them orders and tells them to wait. The iconic photos were made possible by Trump being situationally aware of the political and historic significance of the moment. He used his strength and bulk to stand straight up in plain view to show the world he is in fight mode, despite the by-the-book flight protocol the SS agents were trying to execute. It was fortunate the SS agents gave some leeway to Trump and didn’t try to immediately brute force him off the stage.Replies: @Mike Tre, @Harry Baldwin, @TWS
They had a bunch of fat, fumble fingered, women who are a foot shorter than Trump. How were they supposed to cover the upper half of Trump’s body? How could they carry him if they needed to? Good luck tackling a big attacker.
Is the secret service rotten with DEI, or did they lard his detail with the gomer Pyles of the department out of malice or deliberate malfeasance?
As a response to pointing out the laziness, stupidity, and unconcern for the truth demonstrated when you said that Demolition Ranch is a Antifa-associated salad dressing that’s… lame. Of course, all your posts are lame.
Trump’s performance in office was disgracefully wimpy, but he sure has the right enemies.
And maybe he’s grown. J. D. Vance is a huuuge improvement over Pence.
Biden: ‘It was a mistake’ to use ‘bull’s-eye’ in remarks about Trump
Jul 15, 2024
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUSmk1SqEu8
Jul 15, 2024https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/transcript-read-full-biden-interview-lester-holt-nbc-news-rcna162029
"Special Agent Kevin Rojek, the FBI officer in charge, said Crooks had been identified using DNA as he was not carrying any ID on him."
Why did they have his DNA on file? Had he committed a prior offence allowing it to be entered into a government database? Possibly, but more likely it confirms what most of us have long suspected: in the interests of "keeping us safe," the government has infiltrated every possible depository of information that is supposed to be kept private, including the raw DNA data held by testing services such as 23andme and MyHeritage. And, given enough data and computing power, it's not difficult to reconstruct any pedigree desired. The intelligence agencies invented the term "Total Information Awareness" some time ago, and in our naive simplicity, we are reluctant to believe that they really, really mean total.Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Mustela Mendax
BBC reported that too, but no American site did I’ve seen did. It is strange that this important detail appeared in both major UK sites but no American one, which suggests that not only
but also that when the government regrets being too candid with journalists, they can compel the US ones to suppress whatever information they choose.
I would have thought that they could have identified him from the registration tag of the car, and then looked up his driver's license photograph on file.
Personally I thought it took weeks to do DNA testing, but I guess I am behind the times.
Perhaps his head was blown off, so he couldn't be accurately identified by any other means than DNA.
If he wasn't already in a DNA database, then perhaps they could have used the DNA of a family member, but they must have had a pretty good idea of who he was.Replies: @Gandydancer, @Almost Missouri
Wikipedia: "The International Business Times is an American online newspaper... Its headquarters are in the Financial District of Lower Manhattan, New York City."
There's a headshot of the dead Crooks. Looks like he got shot in the right temple, but also maybe in the mouth.Replies: @Almost Missouri
Sounds a bit odd that he did not have a wallet on him with some kind of ID, and nor was there anything in his car, which I understand he drove to the site of the rally.
I would have thought that they could have identified him from the registration tag of the car, and then looked up his driver’s license photograph on file.
Personally I thought it took weeks to do DNA testing, but I guess I am behind the times.
Perhaps his head was blown off, so he couldn’t be accurately identified by any other means than DNA.
If he wasn’t already in a DNA database, then perhaps they could have used the DNA of a family member, but they must have had a pretty good idea of who he was.
Can you post it? I need to make sure I loathe David Frum enough.
“One man with courage makes a majority.” — Andrew Jackson
In 2016 when Trump was nominated for president, I compared him to Andrew Jackson.
Andrew Jackson was widely despised and thoroughly hated by the establishment of his day (including Founding Fathers like Thomas Jefferson), because he wasn’t of the right sort of social standing. He flaunted his personality. He was front and center. He fought duels and carried a bullet inside for several decades.
But he was a man of the people.
Trump has now taken a bullet (thankfully he survived and won’t be carrying it around inside either). There is a reason why one of his nicknames has been “The People’s Billionaire”.
Confidence is something that is naturally flaunted, not because or due to arrogance, but because of an innate, natural ability or personality that meets various challenges head on without flinching and running away.
Trump. He came, he saw, he got back up and stood strong in the face of adversity. He conquered.
One man with courage–and that’s him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUO_zrPYocE
Jul 15, 2024Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @MEH 0910
Nice of Biden to say he misspoke when he said to put a bullseye on Trump. I hope he’ll take the lead on toning down his rhetoric. Suggestions for Biden and other prominent Democrats: stop calling Trump a fascist or Hitler, stop saying he will end democracy, stop calling him an existential threat, stop saying he must be “stopped” or “eliminated.” This is the sort of extremist rhetoric that gets someone assassinated.
I wouldn’t. People are hard to kill to begin with — they always frigging live.
The more so if dude is going to be getting the best medical care available immediately.
Head shot. Definitely. This isn’t Hill 302 and trying to break up the enemy’s attack. It’s killing dude — permanently, and with no recovery.
LOL WTF are you talking about. The military doesn't teach its troops how to shoot to wound. You get shot in the chest with a rifle round and you are a dead man.
" People are hard to kill to begin with — they always frigging live."
And this isn't the ghetto where negroes are shooting each other in the ass and legs with half jackets or wad cutters. Look at the the linked graphic. While head shots are clearly more often fatal, chest shots are fatal half the time, and that's with a pistol round.
https://heyjackass.com/2024-shot-placement/
The head is a smaller target than the chest, which is why center mass is taught.. for killing. It's the same for hunting game. Ever been hunting? Hunters don't aim for the head, they target the vital area (the upper chest):
https://feathernettoutdoors.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/The-Best-Shot-Placement-To-Hit-Deer-Vitals-Every-Time-Never-Miss-Again.png
You're wrong and so was Trump's attacker. Trump's survival doesn't support your opinion.Replies: @Twinkie, @Gandydancer, @epebble, @James B. Shearer
Meh. He was twenty. How many of us want to be judged by what we were doing at twenty?
Look (well, up until the assassination attempt) he wasn’t actually trying to kill anyone. He had a job…
Hey. It’s possible.
Declare a civil war?
The left may gamble that people, no matter how angry, would not go that far, precisely because the costs are so high.Replies: @Roderick Spode
Actually yes, fuck it— obvious fraud will lead to a civil war.
It wasn’t Nixon and Griggs 1971 that turned the entire federal government, any and all federal contractors and every state county and town agency that accepted any federal money from merit skills and competency to hiring the dumbest and most dis functional as long as they were anything but White men.
It happened on March 6, 1961 a mere 7 weeks after the anti White racist physically crippled drug addled pain killer addict president Kennedy became president
Kennedy’s executive order 10925 affirmative action for negros Quickly followed by communist Jewish women then anything and everything but native born American White men.
It was the hero of the gullible Men of Unz who first used the words affirmative action to hire negros. Not that the drug addled JFK wrote executive order 10925. That was written by his Jewish handler SC Justice Goldberg
Why do you think a far higher percentage of Jews voted for John Kennedy than the most chauvinistic Catholics?
Biden says in the clip: “Look, how do you talk about the threat to democracy, which is real, when a President says things like he says. Do you just not say anything because it might incite somebody?”
He hit his target. Trump would be dead had he not happened to randomly move his head. Marksmanship isn’t the issue here.
Then Crooks' marksmanship got really bad. The injuries weren't inflicted by bullets going near Trump but were in the stands several yards behind him and one in the crowd (the death?) ten or fifteen yards or so in front of him.
But it did. Had the shooter aimed center mass Trump's head movement wouldn't have saved him.
"Marksmanship isn’t the issue here."
Of course it is. Marksmanship isn't just taking aim and pulling the trigger, it's an understanding of one's weapon, target, and environment.Replies: @James B. Shearer, @Old Virginia
Not enough, their entire ideological framework, and particularly the entire January 6th nonsense needs to be completely uprooted, mainstream news needs to show the clips that got Tucker fired, and they can’t do that because they have nothing else.
Quicker than the Secret Service did.
My guess is they ain’t as competent as they should be.Replies: @Alden
The SS people weren’t hit by a bullet. That puts anyone on highest alert. Looked as though he went down instantly. Excellent reaction What a Man !!!!
You never can tell what you or anyone will do in dangerous situations.
Okay, thanks for confirming you’ve been diagnosed with autism. 🙂
To do so otherwise reveals a juvenile and insecure soul.Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
” This isn’t Hill 302 and trying to break up the enemy’s attack. ”
LOL WTF are you talking about. The military doesn’t teach its troops how to shoot to wound. You get shot in the chest with a rifle round and you are a dead man.
” People are hard to kill to begin with — they always frigging live.”
And this isn’t the ghetto where negroes are shooting each other in the ass and legs with half jackets or wad cutters. Look at the the linked graphic. While head shots are clearly more often fatal, chest shots are fatal half the time, and that’s with a pistol round.
https://heyjackass.com/2024-shot-placement/
The head is a smaller target than the chest, which is why center mass is taught.. for killing. It’s the same for hunting game. Ever been hunting? Hunters don’t aim for the head, they target the vital area (the upper chest):
You’re wrong and so was Trump’s attacker. Trump’s survival doesn’t support your opinion.
Military replaced 7.62 ×39mm with 5.56 ×45mm. The 5.56 was chosen due to the wounding capability of the round. The premise is that it takes people off the battlefield, (one wounded, 2 to drag away) burns up resources (medical, medical supplies, housing of wounded) and instills fear into combatants. (wounded yelling, screaming etc.)Replies: @Anonymous, @Twinkie
That's if you have a choice. Maybe the shooter didn't have a choice.
by Judge Aileen Cannon after Clarence Thomas, may he live forever, said explicitly that the Special Counsel’s appointment was unconstitutional.
The executive branch cannot just make up offices, appoint who they feel like to those offices, and have taxpayers pay for them.
SCOTUS has smacked down this, Chevron, and the prosecution of presidents. None of it would have happened without the justices that DJT appointed.
It happened on March 6, 1961 a mere 7 weeks after the anti White racist physically crippled drug addled pain killer addict president Kennedy became president
Kennedy’s executive order 10925 affirmative action for negros Quickly followed by communist Jewish women then anything and everything but native born American White men.
It was the hero of the gullible Men of Unz who first used the words affirmative action to hire negros. Not that the drug addled JFK wrote executive order 10925. That was written by his Jewish handler SC Justice Goldberg
Why do you think a far higher percentage of Jews voted for John Kennedy than the most chauvinistic Catholics?Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Gandydancer
Alden’s back! Where’s Whiskey?
Not cognitive dissonance but nuance. Being systematically vigilant against any social injustices. And the idea of progress is to move, traditionally forward, and not standing always on one-sided perspective.
I'm not on the democrat side. If i was American, would be quite difficult for me to vote on democrat politicians as well on republicans.
It's very unlikely a Biden victory. But i think Trump is too pro Israel, pro jewish to my taste... And during his first mandate seems he doesnt try hard to down the immigration waves to your country.Replies: @Gandydancer
English doesn’t seem to be your first language, but that doesn’t explain how you could be both “on the Left” AND “a non leftist progressivist”. You can’t. But maybe it explains why your attempted explanation doesn’t scan. Try again.
If so, how amateurish.Replies: @Gandydancer, @Ralph L
Having a dark suit doesn’t change the color of your hair, so that makes no sense. Trump is wearing a dark suit in a crowd of dark suits. Maybe you could confuse a shooter by dressing them all in blond wigs and wide red ties, but I think the Secret Service is enough of a clown show already.
Just recalled a quote:
“I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn’t lose any voters, OK?” Trump remarked at a campaign stop at Dordt College in Sioux Center, Iowa. “It’s, like, incredible.”–Donald Trump, 2016
While it wasn’t the middle of Fifth Avenue, but the middle of nowhere and he didn’t do the shooting,…
Strange things are happening.
And as a nod to the younger voters as well as the Slut Walk demographic, both Charlie Kirk of Turning Point USA and Instagram Model influencer Amber Rose spoke at the RNC.
Back in ’68 it was John Wayne who gave a speech at the RNC. Now in 2024, it’s Amber Rose.
That should tell us something about the state of times of which we live in, but not exactly certain what that something is, except of course, how we have fallen as a society.
Are you claiming that SOMEONE ELSE stole your credentials and posted as follows?:
My apologies multi posting was an internet problem, I was unaware either post was accepted.
I chose the closest building without any SS snipers. My apologies for expecting the closest roof perch available to be secured.
If so, how amateurish.Replies: @Gandydancer, @Ralph L
I noticed that all the agents around him are wearing dark blue suits similar to Trump’s to camouflage him in the dog pile. Do you want them to wear orange to match his TV makeup?
It’s okay – and even a manly thing – to admit when you are wrong and stand corrected.
To do so otherwise reveals a juvenile and insecure soul.
LOL WTF are you talking about. The military doesn't teach its troops how to shoot to wound. You get shot in the chest with a rifle round and you are a dead man.
" People are hard to kill to begin with — they always frigging live."
And this isn't the ghetto where negroes are shooting each other in the ass and legs with half jackets or wad cutters. Look at the the linked graphic. While head shots are clearly more often fatal, chest shots are fatal half the time, and that's with a pistol round.
https://heyjackass.com/2024-shot-placement/
The head is a smaller target than the chest, which is why center mass is taught.. for killing. It's the same for hunting game. Ever been hunting? Hunters don't aim for the head, they target the vital area (the upper chest):
https://feathernettoutdoors.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/The-Best-Shot-Placement-To-Hit-Deer-Vitals-Every-Time-Never-Miss-Again.png
You're wrong and so was Trump's attacker. Trump's survival doesn't support your opinion.Replies: @Twinkie, @Gandydancer, @epebble, @James B. Shearer
Or… do both the center mass and the head. Mozambique drill, popularized by the late Jeff Cooper.
Haha, you got him.
It’s true though that Eisenhower was more liberal than conservative in his policies and attitudes. Real conservatives wanted MacArthur as president and gave Eisenhower hell for not standing aside to make way for their hero.
Nowadays he’d be called a RINO.
(https://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/to-a-t.html)
Er, isn’t that a CQB handgun technique? Never heard of snipers doing that, lol
Er, isn’t that a CQB handgun technique? Never heard of snipers doing that, lol
The reporting so far is that he had no history of mental illness.
His supervisor said he performed his job without problems.
Could he have been delaying school to care for an ailing family member?Replies: @Art Deco, @Jack D, @Curle
He made good grades and won a math & science award. That shows a deficit of drive and discipline?
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The two are not inconsistent. School work is done within a particular structure and he may have thrived within it but not when he had to set his own goals and make his own moves.
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He may have a disabled family member, but nothing has emerged so far which indicates that. There’s nothing anomalous about eschewing higher education if you’re from a generic family, but both parents appear to be in credential-driven licensed occupations.
To do so otherwise reveals a juvenile and insecure soul.Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
I see my original post has now snagged two austists. I can’t believe this site is free 🙂
No more “owning” the internet for you, I guess.
Hypocrisy makes no one look good, grasshopper.Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
I would have thought that they could have identified him from the registration tag of the car, and then looked up his driver's license photograph on file.
Personally I thought it took weeks to do DNA testing, but I guess I am behind the times.
Perhaps his head was blown off, so he couldn't be accurately identified by any other means than DNA.
If he wasn't already in a DNA database, then perhaps they could have used the DNA of a family member, but they must have had a pretty good idea of who he was.Replies: @Gandydancer, @Almost Missouri
You can sequence DNA pretty quickly nowadays and the time it takes to get that done will be much reduced if you don’t have to stand in line to use the machines. But that would still leave the question of why Crook’s DNA (or any family member’s DNA) would be in a database. A better explanation is that the fool giving the interview pulled the “DNA” bit out of his ass. The Feds had the AR-15, legally purchased by Crook’s father and with serial number intact. All they had to do is figure out that the father had a son of approximately the right age, and that info is online via public records database sites available to anyone, so no doubt they have one too.
I wouldn’t scorn what he was doing. That side, people who are 20 do all manner of low skill work, but they typically do work that is seasonal or in venues where high turnover is expected. It’s not my impression that that’s generally the case in nursing homes, but I could be wrong about that. Given the sort of family he came from, his school and work situation was odd.
It just showed the headline of Frum’s piece, which read “The Gunman and the Would-Be-Dictator”, as I recall. Subtly implying equivalence, and no doubt that Trump had created the conditions that led to the shooting.
Bruh. Only a gullible sperg literalist would get mad at what I wrote and gravely call it “unreliable”(!) and “unconcern for the truth”(!!). Do I really have to point out that I was busting J.Ross’s balls? Did you really look up ‘dirtbag left’ message boards like Angie’s List and J.D. Power ?? Oooof. Sorry to have sent you on wild goose chase.
Look, I’m flattered. I’ll admit my original comment, though composed with wack references for maximum silliness, was well constructed: For someone with an autopilot ‘AI’ brain, it looks legit. I thought I’d maybe get an LOL or two for the silliness but I’ll take huffy pique from confused autism speaks folk any day.
LOL WTF are you talking about. The military doesn't teach its troops how to shoot to wound. You get shot in the chest with a rifle round and you are a dead man.
" People are hard to kill to begin with — they always frigging live."
And this isn't the ghetto where negroes are shooting each other in the ass and legs with half jackets or wad cutters. Look at the the linked graphic. While head shots are clearly more often fatal, chest shots are fatal half the time, and that's with a pistol round.
https://heyjackass.com/2024-shot-placement/
The head is a smaller target than the chest, which is why center mass is taught.. for killing. It's the same for hunting game. Ever been hunting? Hunters don't aim for the head, they target the vital area (the upper chest):
https://feathernettoutdoors.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/The-Best-Shot-Placement-To-Hit-Deer-Vitals-Every-Time-Never-Miss-Again.png
You're wrong and so was Trump's attacker. Trump's survival doesn't support your opinion.Replies: @Twinkie, @Gandydancer, @epebble, @James B. Shearer
I saw the hole that Rittenhouse blew out of Grosskreutz’ bicep with an AR-15 so it’s not hard to believe that the same crater in his chest would have been fatal. But a small round decelerates appreciably even over 130 yards and I’d bet that Trump was wearing a bulletproof vest of some sort. What do you have on the fatality of cavitation or shock wave at that distance through such protection?
Now the round that the sniper team was using is comparatively humongous and I don’t think they needed a clear shot at Crooks — it would probably have gone right through the protection (crossbeam for the peak, angled sheet metal? — but maybe a girder, I suppose) Crooks was hiding behind, IMHO. Their best excuse for not firing in the ~42 seconds when they were aiming their rifles at him is if they didn’t see the gun. (But not shooting before he did when he popped his head and rifle up when already in-scope x25 or so… that’s hard to explain. One of the snipers also popped up off his eyepiece in apparent startlement when Crooks fired apparently instead of taking a shot of his own. Not good.) THEY went for a head shot when they finally got around to shooting. The rest of Crooks’ body, even prone, was presumably a larger target, although at that range they hardly needed one.
I would have thought that they could have identified him from the registration tag of the car, and then looked up his driver's license photograph on file.
Personally I thought it took weeks to do DNA testing, but I guess I am behind the times.
Perhaps his head was blown off, so he couldn't be accurately identified by any other means than DNA.
If he wasn't already in a DNA database, then perhaps they could have used the DNA of a family member, but they must have had a pretty good idea of who he was.Replies: @Gandydancer, @Almost Missouri
Not when you’re doing a megafelony.
They’d have to know which car was his first. With no ID, there is no immediate way to link him to a car.
Usually it does, which is part of what made that little report so arresting: apparently they can get a result almost immediately if they want to.
If he himself wasn’t in any DNA database, then what the investigator gets is the name of near relations and their degree of relatedness. Triangulating in from that can also takes weeks, but apparently that too can be done almost immediately if they want to.
“He’d made up his mind he was never coming home.”
At the end yes. But before he gets up on the roof he hadn’t done anything irreversible like kill his parents or something . After scouting the area he could have just gotten in his vehicle and driven home and nobody would have been the wiser. And maybe in twenty years he has gotten his life together and it is just a strange memory he only shares with his wife who doesn’t really believe him.
LOL WTF are you talking about. The military doesn't teach its troops how to shoot to wound. You get shot in the chest with a rifle round and you are a dead man.
" People are hard to kill to begin with — they always frigging live."
And this isn't the ghetto where negroes are shooting each other in the ass and legs with half jackets or wad cutters. Look at the the linked graphic. While head shots are clearly more often fatal, chest shots are fatal half the time, and that's with a pistol round.
https://heyjackass.com/2024-shot-placement/
The head is a smaller target than the chest, which is why center mass is taught.. for killing. It's the same for hunting game. Ever been hunting? Hunters don't aim for the head, they target the vital area (the upper chest):
https://feathernettoutdoors.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/The-Best-Shot-Placement-To-Hit-Deer-Vitals-Every-Time-Never-Miss-Again.png
You're wrong and so was Trump's attacker. Trump's survival doesn't support your opinion.Replies: @Twinkie, @Gandydancer, @epebble, @James B. Shearer
The military doesn’t teach its troops how to shoot to wound.
Military replaced 7.62 ×39mm with 5.56 ×45mm. The 5.56 was chosen due to the wounding capability of the round. The premise is that it takes people off the battlefield, (one wounded, 2 to drag away) burns up resources (medical, medical supplies, housing of wounded) and instills fear into combatants. (wounded yelling, screaming etc.)
Reducing the size of the bullet also allows the soldier to carry more ammo.
7.62x39mm Soviet is the cartridge AKM’s chamber.This is occasionally asserted by random people on the internet, but is untrue.
The 5.56 was chosen for a variety reasons, including:
1. Lighter weight; can be carried in much greater loads than the 7.62 NATO.
2. Controllability in full-auto and bursts (in contrast to, say, the 7.62 NATO chambered M14, FN-FAL, and G3).
3. The effectiveness of the cartridge in short-to-medium distance due to yawing/cavitation as well as fragmentation (with the original 55 grain M193 round).
4. The post-WWII and Korean War findings that showed that infantry firefights took places at short-to-medium ranges and that the full-size battle rifle cartridges were overkill in a number of ways.
Incidentally, the Soviets came to a similar conclusion after observing the deployment of the 5.56 and came up with their own version (5.45x39mm Soviet), which was chambered by their AK-74 rifles (this, despite the fact that the 7.62 Soviet was already an “intermediate” cartridge). And, just as with the 5.56, the Russians have discovered that 5.45 suffers from a barrier penetration issue and are discussing re-deploying (a modern version of) the 7.62 Soviet.
Jeff Cooper once opined that the 7.62x51mm (or the civilian equivalent .308 Winchester) was the best “all-around” rifle cartridge. In this assessment, I agree. A friend of mine - who was an Army SOF sniper in Mogadishu - doesn’t even own a 5.56-chambered rifle. He mainly uses 7.62 NATO-chambered rifles for “social” purposes. That said, the 5.56 is highly effective in what I call “suburban” ranges against unarmored targets and can be easily mastered by everyone in the family, including women and children.Replies: @John Johnson
LOL WTF are you talking about. The military doesn't teach its troops how to shoot to wound. You get shot in the chest with a rifle round and you are a dead man.
" People are hard to kill to begin with — they always frigging live."
And this isn't the ghetto where negroes are shooting each other in the ass and legs with half jackets or wad cutters. Look at the the linked graphic. While head shots are clearly more often fatal, chest shots are fatal half the time, and that's with a pistol round.
https://heyjackass.com/2024-shot-placement/
The head is a smaller target than the chest, which is why center mass is taught.. for killing. It's the same for hunting game. Ever been hunting? Hunters don't aim for the head, they target the vital area (the upper chest):
https://feathernettoutdoors.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/The-Best-Shot-Placement-To-Hit-Deer-Vitals-Every-Time-Never-Miss-Again.png
You're wrong and so was Trump's attacker. Trump's survival doesn't support your opinion.Replies: @Twinkie, @Gandydancer, @epebble, @James B. Shearer
“The head is a smaller target than the chest, which is why center mass is taught. ..”
That’s if you have a choice. Maybe the shooter didn’t have a choice.
“I was just kidding” would have worked better if it was your first response. Personally I find “trolling” to be an idiotic activity engaged in by idiots. and when the idiot in question has a history of idiotic comments (Holocaust denial, “jews” run the world, etc.) there’s no reason for me to look for reasons for idiotic comments other than idiocy.
Please don't talk about Mr. Sailer like that. We're besties. He prefers the term 'baiting.'
Yer kinda frosh here, so you ought know that Sailer - who clocked a 740 math on SAT - began trolling his readers with feigned innumeracy viz the covid hoax in late 2020, pretending that 94.1% > 99.86%. He's never let up since. As a Boomboom, he's certainly no master baiter..... he tries his durndest 🤤
I see the bit about moving his head a lot, but it’s nonsense. Trump wasn’t moving while the shot was aimed or afterwards, until he was hit. His stance (looking to his right, shoulders unmoving) had been exactly the same for a significant period of time.
Then Crooks’ marksmanship got really bad. The injuries weren’t inflicted by bullets going near Trump but were in the stands several yards behind him and one in the crowd (the death?) ten or fifteen yards or so in front of him.
I ani’t dylsecix nggia
It happened on March 6, 1961 a mere 7 weeks after the anti White racist physically crippled drug addled pain killer addict president Kennedy became president
Kennedy’s executive order 10925 affirmative action for negros Quickly followed by communist Jewish women then anything and everything but native born American White men.
It was the hero of the gullible Men of Unz who first used the words affirmative action to hire negros. Not that the drug addled JFK wrote executive order 10925. That was written by his Jewish handler SC Justice Goldberg
Why do you think a far higher percentage of Jews voted for John Kennedy than the most chauvinistic Catholics?Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Gandydancer
Your insinuation that the Elders of Zion arranged this would look a lot less like anti-Semitic paranoia if this represented a large change in the Jewish vote from that for for the Democrat candidate in, say, 1956. If, as I suspect, larger numbers of Jews voted for Stevenson than Eisenhower then larger numbers of Jews voting for Kennedy than Nixon doesn’t require any special explanation.
The Mozambique Drill was indeed originally developed as a close quarter technique, but it is used with long guns, especially in two contexts. One, the other guy has a plate carrier. Two, you are using the 62 grain green tip in 5.56mm NATO, which offers better barrier penetration than the 55 grain FMJ, but lacks the tumbling tendency of the latter. It occasionally did a through and through on “skinnies” and kept them in the fight. Not everybody gets 7.62/308, let alone 338 Lapua.
Certainly in the example of the attempt on Trump, who can move independently and has quick cover coming to him, expecting to land a second shot on anything better than minute of good guy is pretty ambitious.Replies: @Twinkie, @John Johnson
So from now on, when you correct some commenter here with facts, he can just dismiss you as an austist?
No more “owning” the internet for you, I guess.
Hypocrisy makes no one look good, grasshopper.
There’s this: https://www.ibtimes.sg/thomas-matthew-crook-trump-shooter-was-star-award-winner-republican-who-managed-get-75277
Wikipedia: “The International Business Times is an American online newspaper… Its headquarters are in the Financial District of Lower Manhattan, New York City.”
There’s a headshot of the dead Crooks. Looks like he got shot in the right temple, but also maybe in the mouth.
I suppose it is also possible that the big US—and to a lesser extent British—outlets assume, not entirely unjustly, that their audiences are too dumb to use more than the most basic information.Seen it already. I would guess the bullet entered through the crown of his head and the hydrostatic cavitation effect rearranged his face and teeth. Unlike Crooks's AR gun, which many reports IMHO inaccurately called a "high power" rifle, the counter-snipers really do have high-power rifles: larger caliber and higher kinetic energy.Replies: @Gandydancer
Mozambique doesn’t seem practical for beyond-CQB targets that can move and take cover. Is the targeted tango gonna stand still for a headshot after getting twice tagged center mass (or anywhere else)? If so, it’s likely a nonliving decoy you’re hitting. 😉
Certainly in the example of the attempt on Trump, who can move independently and has quick cover coming to him, expecting to land a second shot on anything better than minute of good guy is pretty ambitious.
For practical intents and purposes, 5.56 is a CQB round.Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
I would really like to see some of these online 308 fans at the range. It's a much better choice in a video game where you don't notice a difference in weight or noise. In real life the 30 caliber guns are loud and heavy. I can't count the number of Tactical 2.5% COOL DUDEZ I have seen that buy a $1600 AR-10 and can only shoot it in a braced position. Then they are tired of it after 20-30 shots. Of course they also put a brake on it which makes it crack even more. So much fun being next to one. You can easily see why the military went with the 223 in a plastic rifle for infantry. Certainly in the example of the attempt on Trump, who can move independently and has quick cover coming to him, expecting to land a second shot on anything better than minute of good guy is pretty ambitious.
It's not ambitious at all. Am I the only person here that has actually shot an AR-15? I can pepper a man sized target all day at 200 yards.....while standing. This guy was only at 130 and in a prone position. He choked and blew his load. Thank God for that.Replies: @Jack D
The tweet exchange is in the article, and goes as follows:
So Breitbart is being completely idiotic. The “They” in “They’re just talking puppets” is clearly “the CNN commentators”. How this changed in Breitbart’s head to a reference to Trump is incomprehensible. But clickbait, I guess. They got you.
That’s not Glenn Greenwald, that’s Mark Zuckerberg.
Maybe he’s MMA maxxing?
No more “owning” the internet for you, I guess.
Hypocrisy makes no one look good, grasshopper.Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
Your “tism goggles”, as an erstwhile commenter once put it, is causing you to imprudently (and comically) react to my “remote psych analysis” of the hopeless Dandyprancer.
J.Ross started with his own gaffe by not knowing about the popular ‘guntuber’ channel Demolition Ranch, speculating (without evidence) about it being an antifa concern of some sort: Of course I had to have some fun, with a pun on ranch dressing and making absurd references to “Angie’s List” and “J.D. Powers” as being hosts for leftist message boards. Only spergs and East Asians (but I repeat myself) would step in to “correct” such ‘errors’, LOL.
By the way, when I later asked Gandy if he went on a “wild goose chase”, I didn’t mean literally—it’s an idiom in the English language…
Tough scene. Disclaimer to spergs: the above are not actual quotes.
No need to in this instance—you and Gandy have owned yourselves. At least J.Ross likely knew, along with 99% of others who my comment, that I was taking the piss, as the Brits say. (Okay maybe only 80%—lotta spergs here, and some foreigners who might not recognize the American Boomer-friendly references to the consumer report companies, not to mention being unable to recognize puns in English.)
You think this is giggles or something.
I think you are, in effect, drunk. And it's not amusing. Particularly when it is tediously all the time and in the service of alleged points that are entirely crap.
“when I later asked Gandy if he went on a “wild goose chase” followed my made up quotes, followed by a statement that you ought not have to say that they are made up quotes but that they are indeed made up quotes.
You think this is giggles or something.
I think you are, in effect, drunk. And it’s not amusing. Particularly when it is tediously all the time and in the service of alleged points that are entirely crap.
It seems that the snipers visible behind Trump are probably not the ones that shot Crooks. I found this video informative:
Supposedly the new 885A1 (or whatever) green tip has better tumbling properties than the original.
I don't know that there is enough large-scale real world data to say definitively one way or another, but I tend to be skeptical about these kinds of claims of does-everything-better "optimization." Rarely, if ever, do things in real life do everything well.
For everyday self-defense at normal "suburban" ranges, the original 55 grain M193 works very well. That said, barrier penetration is still an issue. There just isn't much you can do with a bullet that small and light, as you likely know.
I've been experimenting with a highly customized AKM of late that Krebs made for me. The trouble with that platform is finding good quality (read consistent) ammo.
OK. Also implying the need for extraordinary measures to eliminate the threat of dictatorship. These people have themselves worked up into psychosis.
Military replaced 7.62 ×39mm with 5.56 ×45mm. The 5.56 was chosen due to the wounding capability of the round. The premise is that it takes people off the battlefield, (one wounded, 2 to drag away) burns up resources (medical, medical supplies, housing of wounded) and instills fear into combatants. (wounded yelling, screaming etc.)Replies: @Anonymous, @Twinkie
Big bullets fly further more accurately than small bullets. But most combats happen at relatively close range where that isn’t an issue.
Reducing the size of the bullet also allows the soldier to carry more ammo.
It is supposedly less likely to produce “through and through” shots than the M885/SS109 by yawing more consistently (at wider band of angles) even at longer ranges out of shorter barrels (M4) all the while having the greater barrier penetration capability than the original.
I don’t know that there is enough large-scale real world data to say definitively one way or another, but I tend to be skeptical about these kinds of claims of does-everything-better “optimization.” Rarely, if ever, do things in real life do everything well.
For everyday self-defense at normal “suburban” ranges, the original 55 grain M193 works very well. That said, barrier penetration is still an issue. There just isn’t much you can do with a bullet that small and light, as you likely know.
I’ve been experimenting with a highly customized AKM of late that Krebs made for me. The trouble with that platform is finding good quality (read consistent) ammo.
Certainly in the example of the attempt on Trump, who can move independently and has quick cover coming to him, expecting to land a second shot on anything better than minute of good guy is pretty ambitious.Replies: @Twinkie, @John Johnson
You shouldn’t be “sniping” with a 5.56. The terminal effectiveness of a 5.56 round beyond, say, 150 meters declines dramatically while its propensity to be affected by ambient conditions rises significantly as well.
For practical intents and purposes, 5.56 is a CQB round.
I see you like making “movies” in your mind and being a superhero in it. Have fun, kiddo.
You know who else likes to fall back on “I was just joking” routine when he’s in the wrong? Jack D. You should ponder that a bit.
" ‘dirtbag left’ message boards like Angie’s List and J.D. Power"
if this is not a really big hint that he was joking then I don't know what is.
It's not Jenner's fault that among all of your many admirable qualities (world's only wealthy 6'7" Korean with beauty queen white wife and perfect kids, etc.) God completely forgot to give you a sense of humor.Replies: @Twinkie, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Gandydancer
That strikes me as a more plausible explanation for their rapid ID-ing of Crooks. It also jibes with the IBTimes report, which said that the Feds were still in the process of using DNA for “confirmation” rather than original identification.
Not so much. At this point so much DNA has been voluntarily submitted to various DNA databases, that any (white) American can be readily identified by DNA even if he personally never submitted DNA to a database, according to Razib Khan.
They have in fact broken many cold cases and identified previously unknown killers this way but it's a painstaking process and not something where you can press a button and viola, there's your man.Replies: @Almost Missouri
In 2016 when Trump was nominated for president, I compared him to Andrew Jackson.
Andrew Jackson was widely despised and thoroughly hated by the establishment of his day (including Founding Fathers like Thomas Jefferson), because he wasn't of the right sort of social standing. He flaunted his personality. He was front and center. He fought duels and carried a bullet inside for several decades.
But he was a man of the people.
Trump has now taken a bullet (thankfully he survived and won't be carrying it around inside either). There is a reason why one of his nicknames has been "The People's Billionaire".
Confidence is something that is naturally flaunted, not because or due to arrogance, but because of an innate, natural ability or personality that meets various challenges head on without flinching and running away.
Trump. He came, he saw, he got back up and stood strong in the face of adversity. He conquered.
One man with courage--and that's him.Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @Hunsdon
I thought you’d mention that, like Trump, Andrew Jackson survived an assassination attempt.
As someone observed previously, this is stochastic assassination. What Biden and other Democrats and pundits continue to say is more likely to incite violence than anything Trump said on January 6, and for which they are trying to imprison him.
There is a huge difference in character between the Democrats who cowered in the Capital on January 6th and Trump, who stood tall and pumped his fist while secret service agents tried to shield him from danger.
I can argue that Biden and the Democrats are a threat to democracy. Democrats are fighting to make the voting process as open to fraud as possible. Biden threatens to veto a bill that forbids illegal aliens from voting. Biden and Democrat district attorneys are using the legal system to attack their political opponents. Democrat lawyers have joined together in Project 65 to harass and disbar lawyers who support Trump. Democrats have worked with social media companies to suppress conservative opinion. Biden has ignored the SCOTUS's ruling on repaying student loans while Democrat-run states and cities defy SCOTUS's rulings on the Second Amendment. Democrats threaten to pack the SCOTUS to get rulings that favor them.
These are just some of the ways Joe Biden and Democrats represent a threat to democracy. Can someone compile a list of things Trump did as president that threatened democracy?Replies: @MEH 0910
Rod Dreher yesterday:
https://roddreher.substack.com/p/american-hero-or-american-nero
Wikipedia: "The International Business Times is an American online newspaper... Its headquarters are in the Financial District of Lower Manhattan, New York City."
There's a headshot of the dead Crooks. Looks like he got shot in the right temple, but also maybe in the mouth.Replies: @Almost Missouri
Thanks. That is indeed a more detailed account than other “US” media. In fact it is even more detailed than the British media.
True, but as a relatively tiny outlet started by a Frenchman for a global market it’s probably not on the Deep State’s speed dial.
I suppose it is also possible that the big US—and to a lesser extent British—outlets assume, not entirely unjustly, that their audiences are too dumb to use more than the most basic information.
Seen it already. I would guess the bullet entered through the crown of his head and the hydrostatic cavitation effect rearranged his face and teeth. Unlike Crooks’s AR gun, which many reports IMHO inaccurately called a “high power” rifle, the counter-snipers really do have high-power rifles: larger caliber and higher kinetic energy.
Maybe somewhat an odd coincidence, or maybe not: one of his (Crooks’s) co-workers at the nursing center said he was a sweet guy and just last week had helped seniors with a more convenient way to open ranch dressing packets for their salads. Maybe that co-worker was just taking the piss/making a ranch dressing pun. Or maybe it’s just another of those overlapping lattices of coincidence (Steve knows that movie reference).
Demolition Ranch Dressing.....I Hate You All
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqeuPfGu9bQ
May 14, 2021
The Trump Shooter was Wearing My Shirt...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAnvLjavON0
Jul 15, 2024
https://youtube.fandom.com/wiki/DemolitionRanchReplies: @Art Deco, @hhsiii, @Jenner Ickham Errican
https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/14/us/trump-rally-gunman-thomas-crooks-invs/index.htmlYou write:I’ve posted that clip a few times before:
https://www.unz.com/?s=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DvRJ5cCP0ZPE&Action=Search&ptype=all&commentsearch=only&commenter=Jenner+Ickham+ErricanReplies: @Hhsiii
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUO_zrPYocE
Jul 15, 2024Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @MEH 0910
Full Interview: President Joe Biden interviewed by Lester Holt | NBC News
Jul 15, 2024
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/transcript-read-full-biden-interview-lester-holt-nbc-news-rcna162029
Demolition Ranch shoots ranch dressing:
Demolition Ranch Dressing…..I Hate You All
May 14, 2021
The Trump Shooter was Wearing My Shirt…
Jul 15, 2024
https://youtube.fandom.com/wiki/DemolitionRanch
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EXDG-ssXsAMv9iV.jpg
‘Personally I find “trolling” to be an idiotic activity engaged in by idiots.’
Please don’t talk about Mr. Sailer like that. We’re besties. He prefers the term ‘baiting.’
Yer kinda frosh here, so you ought know that Sailer – who clocked a 740 math on SAT – began trolling his readers with feigned innumeracy viz the covid hoax in late 2020, pretending that 94.1% > 99.86%. He’s never let up since. As a Boomboom, he’s certainly no master baiter….. he tries his durndest 🤤
Certainly in the example of the attempt on Trump, who can move independently and has quick cover coming to him, expecting to land a second shot on anything better than minute of good guy is pretty ambitious.Replies: @Twinkie, @John Johnson
Mozambique doesn’t seem practical for beyond-CQB targets that can move and take cover.
I would really like to see some of these online 308 fans at the range.
It’s a much better choice in a video game where you don’t notice a difference in weight or noise.
In real life the 30 caliber guns are loud and heavy. I can’t count the number of Tactical 2.5% COOL DUDEZ I have seen that buy a $1600 AR-10 and can only shoot it in a braced position. Then they are tired of it after 20-30 shots. Of course they also put a brake on it which makes it crack even more. So much fun being next to one.
You can easily see why the military went with the 223 in a plastic rifle for infantry.
Certainly in the example of the attempt on Trump, who can move independently and has quick cover coming to him, expecting to land a second shot on anything better than minute of good guy is pretty ambitious.
It’s not ambitious at all.
Am I the only person here that has actually shot an AR-15?
I can pepper a man sized target all day at 200 yards…..while standing.
This guy was only at 130 and in a prone position.
He choked and blew his load. Thank God for that.
Demolition Ranch Dressing.....I Hate You All
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqeuPfGu9bQ
May 14, 2021
The Trump Shooter was Wearing My Shirt...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAnvLjavON0
Jul 15, 2024
https://youtube.fandom.com/wiki/DemolitionRanchReplies: @Art Deco, @hhsiii, @Jenner Ickham Errican
Ranch dressing’s pretty awful. Trouble is, you’d have to clean up the slop after you were done.
https://twitter.com/hereliesthighs/status/1813074672348721210
I would really like to see some of these online 308 fans at the range. It's a much better choice in a video game where you don't notice a difference in weight or noise. In real life the 30 caliber guns are loud and heavy. I can't count the number of Tactical 2.5% COOL DUDEZ I have seen that buy a $1600 AR-10 and can only shoot it in a braced position. Then they are tired of it after 20-30 shots. Of course they also put a brake on it which makes it crack even more. So much fun being next to one. You can easily see why the military went with the 223 in a plastic rifle for infantry. Certainly in the example of the attempt on Trump, who can move independently and has quick cover coming to him, expecting to land a second shot on anything better than minute of good guy is pretty ambitious.
It's not ambitious at all. Am I the only person here that has actually shot an AR-15? I can pepper a man sized target all day at 200 yards.....while standing. This guy was only at 130 and in a prone position. He choked and blew his load. Thank God for that.Replies: @Jack D
Doing this at a range onto a paper target and doing it in real life for your first (and only) time are two quite different things. The latest information is that a local cop had reached the edge of the roof just before Crooks fired his shots. Crooks rolled onto his back and pointed his rifle at the cop which cause the cop to fall back and then Crooks quickly rolled back over and took his shots but at that point he must have felt under pressure knowing that he had been discovered and probably only had seconds left to take his shots. Even so, he had one good shot on Trump which only missed because Trump turned his head at the last second.
I've already had my nerves tested with firearms and I passed. But yes I was practiced and this guy was clearly an amateur. Some people just aren't cut out for firearms and that includes at a range. I've shot at a military range and some of the reserves scared the sh-t out of me. What the hell were they drilled on? I've also left a range because what I assumed was a cop was freaking me out. I will walk if someone is doing stuff like not keeping the barrel downrange. I also walk on groups doing "my first gun" together. I can come back another time. I've had a hot semi-auto rifle swung at me with the question "why isn't this shooting?". The latest information is that a local cop had reached the edge of the roof just before Crooks fired his shots.I watched a report that said the cop backed down after Crooks pointed it at him. It all just sounds like clown town fail. Sad and embarrassing.Watch this cringe max video
https://funker530.com/video/bumbling-stooge-on-trumps-incompetent-security-detail/Replies: @MGB
This is not as simple as it sounds and not something that can be done instantly. Most people have many cousins and distant relatives by now who have submitted DNA and with whom they share overlapping snippets. From there you have to trace back to a common (say paternal) ancestor. And then repeat for other cousins on the maternal line and then eventually you get to only one person (or set of siblings) who have this set of common ancestors and descendants on both sides. This requires a lot of genealogical research to go up and back down family trees, not all of which is in online databases and is not something that you can do instantly like looking up the serial # of a gun.
They have in fact broken many cold cases and identified previously unknown killers this way but it’s a painstaking process and not something where you can press a button and viola, there’s your man.
While consumers usually wait weeks for a DNA report, I imagine if the Feds show up at a DNA lab with a "rush job" they can get the results the same day. The time-consuming part of forensic DNA is, as you say, the genealogical research, but that's not because it has to be, that's only because the relevant information is spread between a bunch of disparate sources on different media, in different locations, with varying sets of access privileges. This also used to be true for, for example, personal financial information such that a credit check or loan application was a long drawn-out processes, but nowadays the relevant query data are all unified into central repositories such that you can have instant credit checks or loan approvals. There is undoubtedly some sub-rosa movement to centralize and standardize genetic/genealogical information in the same way, but until the British reports, I hadn't heard that there had been much progress on this. Gandy's IBT update suggests that the progress is indeed still limited though.
But note that there is no reason a computer algorithm can't do the genealogical research instantly, as it does a credit check, provided it has access to the relevant data. Something resembling aspects of the Gattaca / Minority Report future is available, the industry and state just haven't got around to implementing it yet.Replies: @Jack D
Jenner is not my favorite human (the feeling is mutual I am sure) but, c’mon he said
” ‘dirtbag left’ message boards like Angie’s List and J.D. Power”
if this is not a really big hint that he was joking then I don’t know what is.
It’s not Jenner’s fault that among all of your many admirable qualities (world’s only wealthy 6’7″ Korean with beauty queen white wife and perfect kids, etc.) God completely forgot to give you a sense of humor.
I’ll take my humor cues from someone other than a person who goes around calling Asians “gooks” and thinks “That’s just humor.”
Note that such posts of yours garnered zero “LOL” tags.
I bet I have far more LOL per post than you do. For that matter, I don’t believe Steve Sailer ever highlighted a comment of yours for being funny as he did with one of mine. Then I again, I have a dry sense of humor and don’t resort to slurs like “Kikes like you” supposedly as “humor.”Your envy and resentment are, as usual, noted.
You know, trying to pull down someone better than you doesn’t help you at all. Self-improvement does. Work on that (including your own sense of humor) a bit more instead of humiliating yourself counterproductively on the internet.
https://roddreher.substack.com/p/american-hero-or-american-neroReplies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @Gandydancer
This is a cry for help. Rod is trying to make that leap but his ex-wife won’t let him!
They have in fact broken many cold cases and identified previously unknown killers this way but it's a painstaking process and not something where you can press a button and viola, there's your man.Replies: @Almost Missouri
Right, that’s a more elaborate version of what I wrote. The BBC/Daily Mail reports were surprising because they said the Feds identified Crooks (within one day) using DNA, which would be unprecedented, as far as I know. Gandy’s suggestion that the rifle was the ID source was more plausible. Combine that with the IBT‘s more generally detailed report that also said that DNA was only “confirmation” and is still underway, and that gives a more realistic picture.
While consumers usually wait weeks for a DNA report, I imagine if the Feds show up at a DNA lab with a “rush job” they can get the results the same day. The time-consuming part of forensic DNA is, as you say, the genealogical research, but that’s not because it has to be, that’s only because the relevant information is spread between a bunch of disparate sources on different media, in different locations, with varying sets of access privileges. This also used to be true for, for example, personal financial information such that a credit check or loan application was a long drawn-out processes, but nowadays the relevant query data are all unified into central repositories such that you can have instant credit checks or loan approvals. There is undoubtedly some sub-rosa movement to centralize and standardize genetic/genealogical information in the same way, but until the British reports, I hadn’t heard that there had been much progress on this. Gandy’s IBT update suggests that the progress is indeed still limited though.
But note that there is no reason a computer algorithm can’t do the genealogical research instantly, as it does a credit check, provided it has access to the relevant data. Something resembling aspects of the Gattaca / Minority Report future is available, the industry and state just haven’t got around to implementing it yet.
I agree with you that in the future, computing the Venn diagram of overlapping family trees will be easy peasy work for computers. The issue is that there is no central source of complete family trees yet.
So a 20-yo man-child was able to deliver accurate lethality to 150 yards with his first shot before the adrenaline dump and he lost his aim. Properly zeroed 5.56 AR platform for the win.
Which leads to this:
We already know there are plenty of rifles and optics out there that anybody with a steady paycheck can acquire to split someone’s head at 400 yards. This kid plopped down on the only eligible sniper’s roost just 135 yards distant, and the SS missed it completely. A drone or helicopter spotter would have seen him right away. Or just stick a state trooper up there and tell him don’t let anybody on the roof. But this wasn’t done, and so far nobody’s apologizing or resigning for the monumental screw-up.
Late stage-America incompetence and mercenary values probably explain most things at this point. But the next alternative explanation is, the lawfare isn’t working as more objective judges shred the prosecution cases, so we scrimp on the protocols and let the nutjobs have their shot.
Plan C, direct action by State agents.
Whichever it is, and it’s probably the first one, welcome to the Kali Yuga.
It's really not necessary to get to some kind of Deep State conspiracy when incompetence abounds. What was the "plan" here? Relax security and hope that the local nutcases would get the hint from all the guys on MSNBC screaming "threat to Democracy"? What if the nutcases didn't show up? If you were going to hire an assassin, then Crooks would probably be the LAST person on earth you would want to hire.Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
As Trump told Biden during their debate, "You've never fired anyone." In what passes for his administration, does Joe Biden even have authority to hire and fire?
Just like most of Whitey or non Whitey normies, you cant understand that, primarily speaking words are words and not something physically real. It’s means we can play with them more freely, specially with abstract words. Their definitions can be challenged. Just like when we have a majority of people who claim to be in side of justice supporting many really unfair political policies, we can challenge this discrepancy or contradiction and move to another way to interpret it. In this case, it’s basically applying the concept without just adopting the way it has been used. So while has been understood that leftist and progessivist are synonymous, not necessarily mean this common sense is absolutely impossible to be reinterpreted. Even Just looking at the terms involved, Left suggest a sided perspective while progress suggest a forward or backward perspective. I hope is not so difficult to understand now, something seems really not hard to.
To progress is the opposite of to conserve. These are antonyms.Replies: @Santoculto
Anyway, I did not concern myself with the meaning of "progressivist" since that does not matter for the issue at hand. You simply cannot be both “on the Left” AND “a non leftist [x]” no matter what "[x]" is. "On the Left" and "non leftist" are non-overlapping sets.Replies: @Santoculto
If only this was happening in the US or UK.
Financial Times – “How the war in Ukraine is reviving Russia’s rustbelt”
https://archive.ph/UGtAT
Not that I consider a lathe operator a “labourer”, mind. Skilled job.
ok. i’ve seen enough. if even half of this stuff is accurate, it was an inside job. no other possible conclusion.
not saying the government or some other group hired or sent this 20 year old guy, but they absolutely, positively allowed him to take his shots. for 30 minutes they knew he was there. there were counter snipers literally inside the building! counter snipers inside the shooter’s building were just observing him for 30 minutes as he set up his shot?!
not sure if the White House itself authorized and directed this, but somebody in an official capacity did. they told every officer and agent on site to do nothing and let the guy shoot.
no way on earth there was THAT much competency crisis. somebody deliberately made sure this happened. the word was out to allow attempts on Trump and this guy was the first serious taker.
In the same post, you excuse the Secret Service for their errors, but LAND WITH RIGHTEOUS FURY AND ANGER upon Catdompanj for posting three times? Which one of these things really matters?
I think Cat realizes his mistake.
YOU need to Learn to think, moron.
no way on earth. no way this is a real interview.
Secret Service director gives bizarre reason why an agent wasn’t on the roof
the Simulation Hypothesis could be real. i refuse to believe the Secret Service Director actually said the roof was a bit too steep to actually put any agents ON the building, so they put them IN the building instead.
what is going on? where am i? what is happening? did i get teleported to a different planet?
Military replaced 7.62 ×39mm with 5.56 ×45mm. The 5.56 was chosen due to the wounding capability of the round. The premise is that it takes people off the battlefield, (one wounded, 2 to drag away) burns up resources (medical, medical supplies, housing of wounded) and instills fear into combatants. (wounded yelling, screaming etc.)Replies: @Anonymous, @Twinkie
The US mil replaced 7.62x51mm NATO with the 5.56x45mm NATO as the general service rifle cartridge. The former is chambered by the likes of M14, M60 (“the Pig”), and M240.
7.62x39mm Soviet is the cartridge AKM’s chamber.
This is occasionally asserted by random people on the internet, but is untrue.
The 5.56 was chosen for a variety reasons, including:
1. Lighter weight; can be carried in much greater loads than the 7.62 NATO.
2. Controllability in full-auto and bursts (in contrast to, say, the 7.62 NATO chambered M14, FN-FAL, and G3).
3. The effectiveness of the cartridge in short-to-medium distance due to yawing/cavitation as well as fragmentation (with the original 55 grain M193 round).
4. The post-WWII and Korean War findings that showed that infantry firefights took places at short-to-medium ranges and that the full-size battle rifle cartridges were overkill in a number of ways.
Incidentally, the Soviets came to a similar conclusion after observing the deployment of the 5.56 and came up with their own version (5.45x39mm Soviet), which was chambered by their AK-74 rifles (this, despite the fact that the 7.62 Soviet was already an “intermediate” cartridge). And, just as with the 5.56, the Russians have discovered that 5.45 suffers from a barrier penetration issue and are discussing re-deploying (a modern version of) the 7.62 Soviet.
Jeff Cooper once opined that the 7.62x51mm (or the civilian equivalent .308 Winchester) was the best “all-around” rifle cartridge. In this assessment, I agree. A friend of mine – who was an Army SOF sniper in Mogadishu – doesn’t even own a 5.56-chambered rifle. He mainly uses 7.62 NATO-chambered rifles for “social” purposes. That said, the 5.56 is highly effective in what I call “suburban” ranges against unarmored targets and can be easily mastered by everyone in the family, including women and children.
The 5.56 was chosen for a variety reasons, including:But there could have been a discovered side benefit in that regard. Let's say you are against guys with AK-47s. Well you can outrage them with an AR-15. Would you wound them at those ranges? Probably....but who cares? It's not like they can shoot back at you. Getting hit in the arm with the equivalent of a pistol round (given the energy at that range) will still take them out of the fight and may even tie up extra men. The Vietcong in fact complained that 223 wounds were a pain in the ass. They called it the poison bullet because an innocuous looking wound could actually be deadly due to the instability of the bullet. It can enter a limb and end up in an organ. I can tell you one thing which is that I would definitely not want to be a Russian with a stock AK against an M4 with red dot. Screw that. In low light you would be in major trouble. The AK is cool and everything but an M4 with a red dot shoots like a video game. Jeff Cooper once opined that the 7.62x51mm (or the civilian equivalent .308 Winchester) was the best “all-around” rifle cartridge. In this assessment, I agree. Yea but he was talking about "all around" as in for hunting and defense. I really doubt he would endorse a 308 battle rifle for regular infantry. 308 looks great on paper but in real life an extra 2-3 pounds really add up over a day of hiking. The 16 inch barrels will blast your ears. I've had to double up on ear protection when next to one. The 20 is a lot better and now we have lost even more nimbleness compared to a 223 rifle. The US military has done exhaustive tests and settled on 6.8. So all kind of moot anyways.Replies: @Twinkie
I’m not sure that is true. There are a number of buildings in the vicinity. Apparently, part of skimping on Trump’s security team was that the Secret Service was only assigned to secure the inner perimeter and the local Keystone Kops were assigned to the areas that were outside. As unimpressive as the Secret Service with their fat female AA employees have been in all of this, local cops are usually even worse. The police dept. of Butler PA usually doesn’t have more to do than set up speed traps and hand out traffic tickets.
It’s really not necessary to get to some kind of Deep State conspiracy when incompetence abounds. What was the “plan” here? Relax security and hope that the local nutcases would get the hint from all the guys on MSNBC screaming “threat to Democracy”? What if the nutcases didn’t show up? If you were going to hire an assassin, then Crooks would probably be the LAST person on earth you would want to hire.
While consumers usually wait weeks for a DNA report, I imagine if the Feds show up at a DNA lab with a "rush job" they can get the results the same day. The time-consuming part of forensic DNA is, as you say, the genealogical research, but that's not because it has to be, that's only because the relevant information is spread between a bunch of disparate sources on different media, in different locations, with varying sets of access privileges. This also used to be true for, for example, personal financial information such that a credit check or loan application was a long drawn-out processes, but nowadays the relevant query data are all unified into central repositories such that you can have instant credit checks or loan approvals. There is undoubtedly some sub-rosa movement to centralize and standardize genetic/genealogical information in the same way, but until the British reports, I hadn't heard that there had been much progress on this. Gandy's IBT update suggests that the progress is indeed still limited though.
But note that there is no reason a computer algorithm can't do the genealogical research instantly, as it does a credit check, provided it has access to the relevant data. Something resembling aspects of the Gattaca / Minority Report future is available, the industry and state just haven't got around to implementing it yet.Replies: @Jack D
It’s very different if, as in this case, you have the name of a suspect already (from the gun records) and you want to confirm who they are vs. the usual case where you have unknown DNA and it could be anybody.
I agree with you that in the future, computing the Venn diagram of overlapping family trees will be easy peasy work for computers. The issue is that there is no central source of complete family trees yet.
" ‘dirtbag left’ message boards like Angie’s List and J.D. Power"
if this is not a really big hint that he was joking then I don't know what is.
It's not Jenner's fault that among all of your many admirable qualities (world's only wealthy 6'7" Korean with beauty queen white wife and perfect kids, etc.) God completely forgot to give you a sense of humor.Replies: @Twinkie, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Gandydancer
First, don’t blaspheme.
I’ll take my humor cues from someone other than a person who goes around calling Asians “gooks” and thinks “That’s just humor.”
Note that such posts of yours garnered zero “LOL” tags.
I bet I have far more LOL per post than you do. For that matter, I don’t believe Steve Sailer ever highlighted a comment of yours for being funny as he did with one of mine. Then I again, I have a dry sense of humor and don’t resort to slurs like “Kikes like you” supposedly as “humor.”
Your envy and resentment are, as usual, noted.
You know, trying to pull down someone better than you doesn’t help you at all. Self-improvement does. Work on that (including your own sense of humor) a bit more instead of humiliating yourself counterproductively on the internet.
Doing this at a range onto a paper target and doing it in real life for your first (and only) time are two quite different things.
I’ve already had my nerves tested with firearms and I passed. But yes I was practiced and this guy was clearly an amateur.
Some people just aren’t cut out for firearms and that includes at a range. I’ve shot at a military range and some of the reserves scared the sh-t out of me. What the hell were they drilled on? I’ve also left a range because what I assumed was a cop was freaking me out. I will walk if someone is doing stuff like not keeping the barrel downrange. I also walk on groups doing “my first gun” together. I can come back another time. I’ve had a hot semi-auto rifle swung at me with the question “why isn’t this shooting?”.
The latest information is that a local cop had reached the edge of the roof just before Crooks fired his shots.
I watched a report that said the cop backed down after Crooks pointed it at him.
It all just sounds like clown town fail. Sad and embarrassing.
Watch this cringe max video
https://funker530.com/video/bumbling-stooge-on-trumps-incompetent-security-detail/
Brother man, Demolition Ranch is a pretty mainstream Youtube guntuber page. I don’t know his heart, but he “presents as” one of us.
The reporting so far is that he had no history of mental illness.
His supervisor said he performed his job without problems.
Could he have been delaying school to care for an ailing family member?Replies: @Art Deco, @Jack D, @Curle
For the nth time, he wasn’t delaying his schooling. He lived at home and attended community college while working part time and got his associates degree right on schedule and was headed for a transfer to a 4 yr college this fall. This is all completely normal, no red flags. Millions of people proceed on this path. Not everyone, even those pursuing higher ed, flies off to live in the dorms of a 4 yr college in some distant city.
It's really not necessary to get to some kind of Deep State conspiracy when incompetence abounds. What was the "plan" here? Relax security and hope that the local nutcases would get the hint from all the guys on MSNBC screaming "threat to Democracy"? What if the nutcases didn't show up? If you were going to hire an assassin, then Crooks would probably be the LAST person on earth you would want to hire.Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
It’s a good plan if you want him dead but you don’t so want him dead you’ll do Plan C. But I agree, incompetence explains most current human affairs.
But this wasn’t done, and so far nobody’s apologizing or resigning for the monumental screw-up.
As Trump told Biden during their debate, “You’ve never fired anyone.” In what passes for his administration, does Joe Biden even have authority to hire and fire?
7.62x39mm Soviet is the cartridge AKM’s chamber.This is occasionally asserted by random people on the internet, but is untrue.
The 5.56 was chosen for a variety reasons, including:
1. Lighter weight; can be carried in much greater loads than the 7.62 NATO.
2. Controllability in full-auto and bursts (in contrast to, say, the 7.62 NATO chambered M14, FN-FAL, and G3).
3. The effectiveness of the cartridge in short-to-medium distance due to yawing/cavitation as well as fragmentation (with the original 55 grain M193 round).
4. The post-WWII and Korean War findings that showed that infantry firefights took places at short-to-medium ranges and that the full-size battle rifle cartridges were overkill in a number of ways.
Incidentally, the Soviets came to a similar conclusion after observing the deployment of the 5.56 and came up with their own version (5.45x39mm Soviet), which was chambered by their AK-74 rifles (this, despite the fact that the 7.62 Soviet was already an “intermediate” cartridge). And, just as with the 5.56, the Russians have discovered that 5.45 suffers from a barrier penetration issue and are discussing re-deploying (a modern version of) the 7.62 Soviet.
Jeff Cooper once opined that the 7.62x51mm (or the civilian equivalent .308 Winchester) was the best “all-around” rifle cartridge. In this assessment, I agree. A friend of mine - who was an Army SOF sniper in Mogadishu - doesn’t even own a 5.56-chambered rifle. He mainly uses 7.62 NATO-chambered rifles for “social” purposes. That said, the 5.56 is highly effective in what I call “suburban” ranges against unarmored targets and can be easily mastered by everyone in the family, including women and children.Replies: @John Johnson
This is occasionally asserted by random people on the internet, but is untrue.
The 5.56 was chosen for a variety reasons, including:
But there could have been a discovered side benefit in that regard.
Let’s say you are against guys with AK-47s. Well you can outrage them with an AR-15. Would you wound them at those ranges? Probably….but who cares? It’s not like they can shoot back at you. Getting hit in the arm with the equivalent of a pistol round (given the energy at that range) will still take them out of the fight and may even tie up extra men. The Vietcong in fact complained that 223 wounds were a pain in the ass. They called it the poison bullet because an innocuous looking wound could actually be deadly due to the instability of the bullet. It can enter a limb and end up in an organ.
I can tell you one thing which is that I would definitely not want to be a Russian with a stock AK against an M4 with red dot. Screw that. In low light you would be in major trouble. The AK is cool and everything but an M4 with a red dot shoots like a video game.
Jeff Cooper once opined that the 7.62x51mm (or the civilian equivalent .308 Winchester) was the best “all-around” rifle cartridge. In this assessment, I agree.
Yea but he was talking about “all around” as in for hunting and defense.
I really doubt he would endorse a 308 battle rifle for regular infantry. 308 looks great on paper but in real life an extra 2-3 pounds really add up over a day of hiking. The 16 inch barrels will blast your ears. I’ve had to double up on ear protection when next to one. The 20 is a lot better and now we have lost even more nimbleness compared to a 223 rifle.
The US military has done exhaustive tests and settled on 6.8. So all kind of moot anyways.
Also, I don't know what it's like in a video game, but red dots in real life (e.g. Aimpoint) improve speed of hits in close quarters. They generally do not improve precision in medium to long distance shooting - for that you need glass (e.g. Trijicon ACOG, a four-power illuminated scope).Light is always better ceteris paribus. But US mil brought back the M14's as DMRs in Afghanistan for a reason. The 175 grain 7.62 NATO just delivers a huge punch compared to the 5.56 beyond, say, 300 meters. At 1,000 meters, it's not even a comparison.
We've now come full circle. US mil went to the 5.56, because combat data from WWII and Korea showed that most firefights were close- to mid-distance. The data from Afghanistan showed that more than half of the firefights took place at 500 meters or beyond.The 6.8x51mm? We'll see. The casing is the same length as the 7.62 NATO. Unsurprisingly, it's supposedly effective beyond 600 meters even against armored targets.Take care not to mix 5.56 and .223 chambers or ammo.Replies: @John Johnson
Brother man, Demolition Ranch is a pretty mainstream Youtube guntuber page. I don’t know his heart, but he “presents as” one of us.
I think it was just a lame joke on his part.
Tee-hee look at what I will try to shoot instead of frying pans.
I really doubt he was anywhere on the right.
There was a gun enthusiast shooter a while back who said they will probably use his case for gun control and that he didn’t care.
Being into guns doesn’t require a political outlook or position.
Odds are he just watched a lot of youtube. Most viewers of Demolition Rance probably don’t own guns. I remember seeing the stats from a pro-gun website and half the visitors were European. It was like Germans and Brits jerking off to what they couldn’t shoot.
https://twitter.com/JDVance1/status/1812273864984178958Replies: @MGB
and margaret was on the tube the following day on Face the Nation or some such crap, urging restraint. if i could be bothered, which i couldn’t be, i would do one of them internet thingies to pull up quotes of all of margaret’s pleas for restraint when people were casually calling for trump’s murder. whatever really happened i don’t know, but you don’t need to be Nostradamus to predict the mayhem that would have been unleashed if trump took a shot to the forehead.
I've already had my nerves tested with firearms and I passed. But yes I was practiced and this guy was clearly an amateur. Some people just aren't cut out for firearms and that includes at a range. I've shot at a military range and some of the reserves scared the sh-t out of me. What the hell were they drilled on? I've also left a range because what I assumed was a cop was freaking me out. I will walk if someone is doing stuff like not keeping the barrel downrange. I also walk on groups doing "my first gun" together. I can come back another time. I've had a hot semi-auto rifle swung at me with the question "why isn't this shooting?". The latest information is that a local cop had reached the edge of the roof just before Crooks fired his shots.I watched a report that said the cop backed down after Crooks pointed it at him. It all just sounds like clown town fail. Sad and embarrassing.Watch this cringe max video
https://funker530.com/video/bumbling-stooge-on-trumps-incompetent-security-detail/Replies: @MGB
well, it sounds like you’re arguing for a firearms training license. i don’t have an opinion on this point one way or the other, since any slug can pass a test, but i have shared your experiences. the last time my son and i were on an indoor range, a group of 20-something jackasses were blasting targets from about 5 yards with bird shot. it was like a Monty Python sketch.
John Johnson: 15,553 Comments • 2,326,000 Words, so far.
Covid, check. Ukraine, check. Israel, check.
Unz.com has some salience, right?
So this site is, presumably, patrolled by...outfits like Hasbara?
I wonder how we might recognize their agents?
Covid, check. Ukraine, check. Israel, check.Replies: @vinteuil, @John Johnson
I mean, c’mon, people: it’s common knowledge that there are outfits like Israel’s “Hasbara” that pay people to patrol any internet site with any salience & bombard them with their propaganda.
Unz.com has some salience, right?
So this site is, presumably, patrolled by…outfits like Hasbara?
I wonder how we might recognize their agents?
Covid, check. Ukraine, check. Israel, check.Replies: @vinteuil, @John Johnson
Covid, check. Ukraine, check. Israel, check.
Why stop there?
Well why didn’t you go all the way back to when I came here through the Kersey blog?
Was I paid to talk about city living, public schools or Black areas?
Go ahead and explain.
If you get frustrated with dissenting views then find another website.
On both Ukraine and COVID I was clearly in a minority. I’m fine with that but the majority here would clearly censor me if they could for their own emotional comfort. Since they don’t have that option they try to disregard me through accusations of being paid by Israel or Pharma.
But I came here through a blog that makes politically incorrect observations of Black areas and crime.
Why not find a website that will provide the echo chamber you crave? Why focus on individual posters that threaten your obviously delicate positions?
Oh and it’s also in my history where an anti-vaxxer completely embarrassed himself and didn’t bother to verify that I came from the kersey blog. He just assumed it could not be true because of his feels on how I must be a secret Jew agent. By all means go ahead and make the same mistake.
Also explain why Israel would pay someone to take the position of 1967 borders, two states and an end to free military aid.
Or maybe just go join the echo chamber at Brietbart because that is all you can handle.
Most registered Republicans are vaccinated against COVID. Anti-vaxx is fringe.
MUST BE ALL BE JOOZ DERP
Nice non sequitur backpedal. WTF are you talking about? Got any actual quotes/links on those parenthetical claims?
For practical intents and purposes, 5.56 is a CQB round.Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
As a potentially needed tactic, you can “snipe” (or at least try to suppress on a two-way range) with what you got with you on scene. But whatever you have with you, you sure ain’t likely to be Moe Zam Beeking beyond CQB range, which is my point: Your initial reference to “Mozambique” was a non sequitur digression in a discussion about longer-range engagement tactics.
If, for example, the target is wearing a plate carrier and the center mass shot doesn't bring him down, I am going to switch to attempting headshots - whatever the distance.Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
Demolition Ranch Dressing.....I Hate You All
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqeuPfGu9bQ
May 14, 2021
The Trump Shooter was Wearing My Shirt...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAnvLjavON0
Jul 15, 2024
https://youtube.fandom.com/wiki/DemolitionRanchReplies: @Art Deco, @hhsiii, @Jenner Ickham Errican
Maybe he was helping the seniors shoot open the ranch packets.
" ‘dirtbag left’ message boards like Angie’s List and J.D. Power"
if this is not a really big hint that he was joking then I don't know what is.
It's not Jenner's fault that among all of your many admirable qualities (world's only wealthy 6'7" Korean with beauty queen white wife and perfect kids, etc.) God completely forgot to give you a sense of humor.Replies: @Twinkie, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Gandydancer
Forget it, Jack. It’s Koreatown.
Twinkie AI will now post a cringe reference to Rooftop Koreans.
I always considered you two the different sides of the same coin.Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
“Trump would be dead had he not happened…”
But it did. Had the shooter aimed center mass Trump’s head movement wouldn’t have saved him.
“Marksmanship isn’t the issue here.”
Of course it is. Marksmanship isn’t just taking aim and pulling the trigger, it’s an understanding of one’s weapon, target, and environment.
But maybe some spectator jumping and down, waving his arms or waving a sign would have by getting in the way. Maybe Crooks didn't have a clear body shot.
I've heard Blackwater founder Erik Prince say the local cop that confronted then retreated from the shooter should be fired and his pension taken but that cop probably saved Trump's life. The shots were fired mere moments after the confrontation; heart racing , adrenaline pumping and being in a hurry is not the way to an accurate shot. Ask any deer hunter after he sees the elusive Joe Nailer.
That boy's heart was pounding through his shirt after the confrontation. He never drew his target, he just shot the bush where he saw it.Replies: @That Would Be Telling, @Gandydancer
Do you have a reading comprehension problem? I already gave you two situations under which you would attempt headshots after the center mass failed.
If, for example, the target is wearing a plate carrier and the center mass shot doesn’t bring him down, I am going to switch to attempting headshots – whatever the distance.
Of course, “Mozambique” is a non sequitur regarding the Trump shooting—there was no “Mozambique” opportunity given the sideways orientation of the body (right arm usually blocking some of the body mass, plus the possible existence of low-profile body armor), likely cover-seeking reaction of the target (Trump indeed quickly ducked into SS cover), and likely immediate inbound counter-sniper rounds preventing a followup headhunting opportunity.
You two do make a cute couple.
I always considered you two the different sides of the same coin.
https://static1.srcdn.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/fargo-mike-Cropped-1.jpg
I was “castigating” (catigating?) cat_doms_pans because of the disrespectful tone and vulgar language used to ridicule my comment. He dropped the F-BOMB at least a half-dozen times.
Huh? I excused the Secret Service?
“… you excuse the Secret Service for their errors, but LAND WITH RIGHTEOUS FURY AND ANGER upon Catdompanj for posting three times?”
Tht is what is called a “false equivalency”
I think Cat realizes his mistake.
YOU need to Learn to think, moron.
I don’t like the term “RINO”. Most of those called RINOs are absolutely representative of the Republican Party as we knew it. Utterly useless and unrepresentative of their voting base, but that’s the legacy Republican Party to a T.
(https://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/to-a-t.html)
You have a remarkable ability to miss the point.
The 5.56 was chosen for a variety reasons, including:But there could have been a discovered side benefit in that regard. Let's say you are against guys with AK-47s. Well you can outrage them with an AR-15. Would you wound them at those ranges? Probably....but who cares? It's not like they can shoot back at you. Getting hit in the arm with the equivalent of a pistol round (given the energy at that range) will still take them out of the fight and may even tie up extra men. The Vietcong in fact complained that 223 wounds were a pain in the ass. They called it the poison bullet because an innocuous looking wound could actually be deadly due to the instability of the bullet. It can enter a limb and end up in an organ. I can tell you one thing which is that I would definitely not want to be a Russian with a stock AK against an M4 with red dot. Screw that. In low light you would be in major trouble. The AK is cool and everything but an M4 with a red dot shoots like a video game. Jeff Cooper once opined that the 7.62x51mm (or the civilian equivalent .308 Winchester) was the best “all-around” rifle cartridge. In this assessment, I agree. Yea but he was talking about "all around" as in for hunting and defense. I really doubt he would endorse a 308 battle rifle for regular infantry. 308 looks great on paper but in real life an extra 2-3 pounds really add up over a day of hiking. The 16 inch barrels will blast your ears. I've had to double up on ear protection when next to one. The 20 is a lot better and now we have lost even more nimbleness compared to a 223 rifle. The US military has done exhaustive tests and settled on 6.8. So all kind of moot anyways.Replies: @Twinkie
I don’t know what video game fantasy scenario you are constructing, but in a gun fight, I don’t want hits on my opponent’s arm in the hope that I’ll get lucky and he’ll be out of a fight and bring down a friend too. Did you know that people have two arms and can operate firearms with their weak hands? I know I do. I would not underestimate my opponent to not be able to do likewise.
I don’t know about “a video game” as I’ve never played, but the operator and his training and capabilities are primary, not his gear. There are men in this world who can kill you with a single shot rifle while you are decked out in the latest tacticool gear.
Also, I don’t know what it’s like in a video game, but red dots in real life (e.g. Aimpoint) improve speed of hits in close quarters. They generally do not improve precision in medium to long distance shooting – for that you need glass (e.g. Trijicon ACOG, a four-power illuminated scope).
Light is always better ceteris paribus. But US mil brought back the M14’s as DMRs in Afghanistan for a reason. The 175 grain 7.62 NATO just delivers a huge punch compared to the 5.56 beyond, say, 300 meters. At 1,000 meters, it’s not even a comparison.
We’ve now come full circle. US mil went to the 5.56, because combat data from WWII and Korea showed that most firefights were close- to mid-distance. The data from Afghanistan showed that more than half of the firefights took place at 500 meters or beyond.
The 6.8x51mm? We’ll see. The casing is the same length as the 7.62 NATO. Unsurprisingly, it’s supposedly effective beyond 600 meters even against armored targets.
Take care not to mix 5.56 and .223 chambers or ammo.
If, for example, the target is wearing a plate carrier and the center mass shot doesn't bring him down, I am going to switch to attempting headshots - whatever the distance.Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
Nah, after the failed center mass hits you’re going to be sending rounds at an evading beyond-CQB target who has been alerted to the danger. Now you’re simply headhunting—if for some reason his head stays up and stays stationary, you’re super lucky. It’s not recognizably bangbang—bang Mozambique. Which makes sense—it’s a CQB-specific tactic.
Of course, “Mozambique” is a non sequitur regarding the Trump shooting—there was no “Mozambique” opportunity given the sideways orientation of the body (right arm usually blocking some of the body mass, plus the possible existence of low-profile body armor), likely cover-seeking reaction of the target (Trump indeed quickly ducked into SS cover), and likely immediate inbound counter-sniper rounds preventing a followup headhunting opportunity.
Demolition Ranch Dressing.....I Hate You All
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqeuPfGu9bQ
May 14, 2021
The Trump Shooter was Wearing My Shirt...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAnvLjavON0
Jul 15, 2024
https://youtube.fandom.com/wiki/DemolitionRanchReplies: @Art Deco, @hhsiii, @Jenner Ickham Errican
According to totally non-autistic misinformation watchdogs Twinkie and Gandydancer, that video does not exist, nor will it ever exist…
Hol’ up, you’re saying it’s not antifa salad dressing ?!?
Progressivism is a leftist ideology. You don’t seem willing or able to understand this. There is no “non-leftist progressivism.”
To progress is the opposite of to conserve. These are antonyms.
Also, I don't know what it's like in a video game, but red dots in real life (e.g. Aimpoint) improve speed of hits in close quarters. They generally do not improve precision in medium to long distance shooting - for that you need glass (e.g. Trijicon ACOG, a four-power illuminated scope).Light is always better ceteris paribus. But US mil brought back the M14's as DMRs in Afghanistan for a reason. The 175 grain 7.62 NATO just delivers a huge punch compared to the 5.56 beyond, say, 300 meters. At 1,000 meters, it's not even a comparison.
We've now come full circle. US mil went to the 5.56, because combat data from WWII and Korea showed that most firefights were close- to mid-distance. The data from Afghanistan showed that more than half of the firefights took place at 500 meters or beyond.The 6.8x51mm? We'll see. The casing is the same length as the 7.62 NATO. Unsurprisingly, it's supposedly effective beyond 600 meters even against armored targets.Take care not to mix 5.56 and .223 chambers or ammo.Replies: @John Johnson
I don’t know what video game fantasy scenario you are constructing, but in a gun fight, I don’t want hits on my opponent’s arm in the hope that I’ll get lucky and he’ll be out of a fight and bring down a friend too.
Luck has nothing to do with it. It’s a rational move in the scenario I described.
An AR-15 will outrange an AK-47.
If you can make the shot then you take it.
What exactly would you be afraid of if you are 300 yards away? A wounded enemy deciding to charge you with a broken arm or collarbone? Good for them. They’d have to close the range and shoot while wounded. You can go prone and take your shots.
You’re not even reading my posts.
It makes sense to wound them if they can’t shoot back at you.
I don’t know about “a video game” as I’ve never played, but the operator and his training and capabilities are primary, not his gear. There are men in this world who can kill you with a single shot rifle while you are decked out in the latest tacticool gear.
Has nothing to do with tacticool gear.
A $500 Ar-15 with a red dot isn’t that much different than shooting a simulator. The point is that it doesn’t have a lot of kick and aiming is easy.
The principle is true even if you are shooting it your underwear.
Also, I don’t know what it’s like in a video game, but red dots in real life (e.g. Aimpoint) improve speed of hits in close quarters.
They improve accuracy in low light and they are much better than garbage mil-spec stocks at medium range. You get a wider view of the target. The mil-spec stock on both the M16 and AK47 covers too much of the target. With a red dot you zero the bottom tip and you can hit balloon size targets much easier at 200 yards. Yes there are better mid range scopes that are illuminated but I’m making a point on how much an cheap AR-15 with a basic red dot would beat a stock AK47 in combat. I’ve seen Ukrainians with M4s and red dots. A huge advantage over a Russian with a 1970s Ak47. I have in fact seen very few of the AK74s. As with the T-90s it seems that most of them were sold overseas.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBtNrJXkp9oReplies: @Nicholas Stix, @John Johnson
https://roddreher.substack.com/p/american-hero-or-american-neroReplies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @Gandydancer
If that list doesn’t summon you to fight the “Ruling Class”, what would? Yet Dreher ends his essay with: “So, when bloodied but unbowed Trump shouted, “Fight! Fight! Fight!” yesterday, I tensed up inside like a fist — and I don’t think it will unclench until Election Day.” Does concentrating on his feels “inside” sound like an appropriate response to a call to action? Sounds more like a cringe to me.
The reporting so far is that he had no history of mental illness.
His supervisor said he performed his job without problems.
Could he have been delaying school to care for an ailing family member?Replies: @Art Deco, @Jack D, @Curle
He attended Abraham Lincoln Elementary. Maybe he dreamed of growing up to be John Wilkes Booth?
See pictures.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13640369/trump-shooter-thomas-matthew-crooks-friends-combat-gear.html
I always considered you two the different sides of the same coin.Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
I suppose it is also possible that the big US—and to a lesser extent British—outlets assume, not entirely unjustly, that their audiences are too dumb to use more than the most basic information.Seen it already. I would guess the bullet entered through the crown of his head and the hydrostatic cavitation effect rearranged his face and teeth. Unlike Crooks's AR gun, which many reports IMHO inaccurately called a "high power" rifle, the counter-snipers really do have high-power rifles: larger caliber and higher kinetic energy.Replies: @Gandydancer
Yes, calling the AR-15 “high powered” is clearly a misnomer, though I was somewhat impressed with the crater that Kyle Rittenhouse blew in Grosskreutz’s bicep.
I posted a video upthread that posits that Crooks was shot with a smaller round than the ones used in the guns of the sniper team behind Trump. I thought his face looked in surprisingly good shape for having received a head shot from an actually high powered rifle. Which leaves me unconvinced that I know why there was only blackness where his front teeth should have been. Cavitation seems an unlikely explanation given that all the grinning skulls of the shot or blown up dead that one has seen indicates that the front teeth attachment is pretty sturdy. But I could certainly be wrong.
Audio of the cellphone video of Crooks on the roof sounds like a one-shot kill.
dead links
Enjoy this one instead...
https://twitter.com/Ungroyped3/status/1812949456607932678
I see this myth repeated a lot, and it’s puzzling how many people just don’t see what they are looking at. Neither Trump’s stance nor his head shifted in the last half minute or so before the shot. I guess they are relying on imperfect memory and it’s too good a story to check.
In 2016 when Trump was nominated for president, I compared him to Andrew Jackson.
Andrew Jackson was widely despised and thoroughly hated by the establishment of his day (including Founding Fathers like Thomas Jefferson), because he wasn't of the right sort of social standing. He flaunted his personality. He was front and center. He fought duels and carried a bullet inside for several decades.
But he was a man of the people.
Trump has now taken a bullet (thankfully he survived and won't be carrying it around inside either). There is a reason why one of his nicknames has been "The People's Billionaire".
Confidence is something that is naturally flaunted, not because or due to arrogance, but because of an innate, natural ability or personality that meets various challenges head on without flinching and running away.
Trump. He came, he saw, he got back up and stood strong in the face of adversity. He conquered.
One man with courage--and that's him.Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @Hunsdon
Alexander Mercouris has said, in his long winded way, that of course the word hero comes from Greek, and that the ancient Greeks, and indeed the Greeks of today, would unhesitatingly call Trump’s response heroic, a display of courage both physical and moral, a resilience, and a desire to continue. (I myself am a fairly long winded bastard at times, and Alexander puts me in the shade. I actually truncated and approximated his quote.)
So, what did everyone think of social media influencer Amber Rose's speech on Monday? Telling you, that five minutes was so life changing, LIFE CHANGING. A person of the people and from the streets of Philly, if you will, speaking live during primetime. Telling you, youtube the speech--you won't be disappointed. The hero called Trump was most certainly transfixed. He was listening intently, and hanging on to every single word she said.
lol
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2024/07/biden-defenders-spin-debate-interviews/679031/
https://archive.ph/8OrZl
And he’s also…(drumroll please)…
Some of us are at least entertaining the possibility that the only screw-up was Crook’s.
But it did. Had the shooter aimed center mass Trump's head movement wouldn't have saved him.
"Marksmanship isn’t the issue here."
Of course it is. Marksmanship isn't just taking aim and pulling the trigger, it's an understanding of one's weapon, target, and environment.Replies: @James B. Shearer, @Old Virginia
“But it did. Had the shooter aimed center mass Trump’s head movement wouldn’t have saved him.”
But maybe some spectator jumping and down, waving his arms or waving a sign would have by getting in the way. Maybe Crooks didn’t have a clear body shot.
well, it sounds like you’re arguing for a firearms training license
No I am not but I am fine with them for concealed carry.
the last time my son and i were on an indoor range, a group of 20-something jackasses were blasting targets from about 5 yards with bird shot. it was like a Monty Python sketch.
I have been to an urban indoor range where they allow shotguns with bird shot. So ridiculous.
I saw a guy shooting a shotgun like he was a bad ass. As if it takes skill to hit a paper target at 20 yards with a shotgun. I was really cracking up.
I’ve also seen tac’d out AR-15s at 15 yards. I used to work near to a small pistol range and they would allow AR-15s if they used special range ammo. It was already elbow to elbow with handguns and guys would bring in decked out AR-15s.
Well there’s one rifle I’d sell my soul to own, but it doesn’t look I will 🙁
I've shot a 3.5" magnum load and that will rattle your brain a bit. There is a youtube video of a guy getting a bloody nose from one.
3006 seemed pretty tame in comparison.
That sentence stops parsing at the comma.
Anyway, I did not concern myself with the meaning of “progressivist” since that does not matter for the issue at hand. You simply cannot be both “on the Left” AND “a non leftist [x]” no matter what “[x]” is. “On the Left” and “non leftist” are non-overlapping sets.
And being against pretentiously fair public policies under the leftwing flag is a legitimate way to support real social justice, like being against mass immigration policy, anti white agenda or trans agenda. It's totally possible even pretending these abstractions as real things.Replies: @Gandydancer
But it did. Had the shooter aimed center mass Trump's head movement wouldn't have saved him.
"Marksmanship isn’t the issue here."
Of course it is. Marksmanship isn't just taking aim and pulling the trigger, it's an understanding of one's weapon, target, and environment.Replies: @James B. Shearer, @Old Virginia
The thing seldom mentioned here or anywhere else since the assassination attempt is the crucial marksman’s technique of timing his shot with his heartbeat.
I’ve heard Blackwater founder Erik Prince say the local cop that confronted then retreated from the shooter should be fired and his pension taken but that cop probably saved Trump’s life. The shots were fired mere moments after the confrontation; heart racing , adrenaline pumping and being in a hurry is not the way to an accurate shot. Ask any deer hunter after he sees the elusive Joe Nailer.
That boy’s heart was pounding through his shirt after the confrontation. He never drew his target, he just shot the bush where he saw it.
I will buy the idea he rushed his shots due to pressure from a police officer seeing him and in a position to shoot him, and certainly the two initial followup shots were too fast to be well aimed. And the second string was rapid fire, I assume simply into the crowd.Replies: @Old Virginia
I believe I know vaguely who you are and the kinds of things you post but I’m certainly not willing to bother to go through your history to dig up examples. Such postings are as common as dirt here, or do you deny that too? But you’ve already wasted more than enough of my attention. When I next see you do something similar I’ll point it out, if I remember this exchange.
But presumably you can find the quote that I’m supposedly backpedalling from without leaving this page. Please do, and reproduce it now. I’m not in the habit of backpedalling from anything I’ve said.
WAT
is somebody threatening Kimberly Cheatle? is that why she’s giving the most nonsense answers in history?
is it true that out of nowhere all the networks were covering this one specific Trump rally? after they had stopped covering them years ago? i have no idea since i don’t even have a television.
please tell me it’s not true. that would be so, so bad. 100 times worse than the media tip offs for those 6AM Justice Department raids.
Nope. He was crawling on the roof for a minute or two before, apparently, he was triggered into opening fire by a LEO attempting to crawl onto the roof, who Crooks dissuaded from doing so. The snipers that shot him were not on adjacent roofs. There was none on adjacent roofs.
There were two pairs on two roofs on buildings behind the podium. The ones most commonly seen, nearest to Crooks, apparently had no line of sight to Crooks, who was shot, apparently, by a third sniper team on a roof on the other side of the audience from Crooks, i.e. to Trump’s left.
The Task and Purpose YouTube channel mapped out 18 roofs with line of sight to the podium within, iirc, 1000 yards. There were plenty of LEOs (you wouldn’t use agents for this) available to post all of them but SS Director Cheadle said they didn’t want to place personnel on sloped roofs. She said, I am told, that there were LEOs INSIDE Crooks’ building. The snipers behind Trump were on far greater slopes than Crooks’ roof, so go figure.
Amazing:
https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/14/us/trump-rally-gunman-thomas-crooks-invs/index.html
You write:
I’ve posted that clip a few times before:
https://www.unz.com/?s=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DvRJ5cCP0ZPE&Action=Search&ptype=all&commentsearch=only&commenter=Jenner+Ickham+Errican
Oh well. I withdraw my insinuation. It would appear Reid Hoffmann is not Jewish.
Nice. You admit (without apologizing.. nice) that you make baseless claims about what people write. More backpedaling from a false claim you made.
Well, you certainly backpedaled in your quote above. ‘New’ habit forming?
You’re full of crap. You’re just trying to hijack Steve, in order to spread a lie.
https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/18sa3cl/whats_going_on_with_trump_and_diaperssmells/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBtNrJXkp9oReplies: @Nicholas Stix, @John Johnson
And that Cameron Mitchell (not the actor, who’d be about 101, if he were still alive) looks to be a pretty big, strong guy. Some of us are a bit smaller.
He is not inventing anything. I have seen this information before.
“Historically” speaking this is akin to your declaration that Operation Wetback was the act of a Democrat President. E.g. (and JUST for example, this was not remotely the first Republican effort to oppose the Invasion) Arizona v. United States, 567 U.S. 387 overturned a 2010 law, so GOP opposition to the invasion certainly didn’t start with Trump.
" ‘dirtbag left’ message boards like Angie’s List and J.D. Power"
if this is not a really big hint that he was joking then I don't know what is.
It's not Jenner's fault that among all of your many admirable qualities (world's only wealthy 6'7" Korean with beauty queen white wife and perfect kids, etc.) God completely forgot to give you a sense of humor.Replies: @Twinkie, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Gandydancer
Maybe you scan differently than I do, but I didn’t bother reading website names I was uninterested in to look for clues that Jenner was not serious. His posts don’t deserve close attention since they are one stupid assertion after the other and never in the slightest degree actually funny. He’s a walking drunk joke, which only leaves me greatly repulsed by and mildly embarrassed for him. /s/ “hopeless[I think he meant hapless] Dandyprancer”
Financial Times - "How the war in Ukraine is reviving Russia’s rustbelt"
https://archive.ph/UGtATNot that I consider a lathe operator a "labourer", mind. Skilled job.Replies: @Gandydancer
Not buying the idea that producing war goods is good for citizen’s well being. First principles here: Yes, wages go up, but unless consumer goods production goes up as much (and how is that possible if workers are being diverted to war production? And if worker utilization goes up there is a loss of leisure which only bad accounting practices like naive GDP calculation doesn’t include in well being.) that will all be eaten away by inflation.
By that metric the laid-off are the best-off!
The interviewee seemed pretty positive about having tripled wages inside three years. I remember how I felt when I doubled my wage in a year around 1985 - I felt I was suddenly rich.
"wages go up, but unless consumer goods production goes up as much"
The good news (at least temporarily) is that our employee is just like an American or European - most of his consumer goods come from China.Replies: @Gandydancer
You left out the part where Jackson, the threat of assassination off the table, proceeded to nearly beat the guy to death with his stick before he was pulled off of him.
https://almostchosenpeople.wordpress.com/2012/03/08/the-man-who-pulled-old-hickorys-nose/Replies: @Nachum
Thanks. But I am a little confused.
The latter roof is somehow not an “adjacent roof” ?
“Adjacent means close to or near something.”
Maybe I should have said “nearby”.
All will be clear I think if you look at the video I believe I linked to already:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bLJPUMX46o
...but if that doesn't clear up what I'm saying ask again and I'll try again.Replies: @trevor
https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/14/us/trump-rally-gunman-thomas-crooks-invs/index.htmlYou write:I’ve posted that clip a few times before:
https://www.unz.com/?s=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DvRJ5cCP0ZPE&Action=Search&ptype=all&commentsearch=only&commenter=Jenner+Ickham+ErricanReplies: @Hhsiii
That’s another coincidence.
Has any of Steve’s posts gotten 1,000 comments?
I suppose if we really try hard enough, it can happen with this one. Surprised its gone as long as this so far.Replies: @William Badwhite
The NY Post reports that fellow students complained about Crooks’ BO and hygiene. That’s a common symptom of autism.
Like the WTC, it was wired for demolition. We are missing only ‘dancing Israelis’ to complete the picture; a lacuna that is easily filled.
I've heard Blackwater founder Erik Prince say the local cop that confronted then retreated from the shooter should be fired and his pension taken but that cop probably saved Trump's life. The shots were fired mere moments after the confrontation; heart racing , adrenaline pumping and being in a hurry is not the way to an accurate shot. Ask any deer hunter after he sees the elusive Joe Nailer.
That boy's heart was pounding through his shirt after the confrontation. He never drew his target, he just shot the bush where he saw it.Replies: @That Would Be Telling, @Gandydancer
I’ve never heard of that concept. The big related thing is to coordinate shooting with breathing, which obviously moves around your upper body. But this guy didn’t even have the most basic thing of how to position your legs and feet when in the prone position for maximum stability.
I will buy the idea he rushed his shots due to pressure from a police officer seeing him and in a position to shoot him, and certainly the two initial followup shots were too fast to be well aimed. And the second string was rapid fire, I assume simply into the crowd.
I posted a video upthread that posits that Crooks was shot with a smaller round than the ones used in the guns of the sniper team behind Trump. I thought his face looked in surprisingly good shape for having received a head shot from an actually high powered rifle.
I’ve seen similar results from shooting pumpkins with a 3006.
A large round doesn’t always blow up the pumpkin as one would assume. It usually goes all the way through.
The 223 round is more likely to blow out the back of the pumpkin out by tumbling.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBtNrJXkp9oReplies: @Nicholas Stix, @John Johnson
Well there’s one rifle I’d sell my soul to own, but it doesn’t look I will
I’ve shot a 3.5″ magnum load and that will rattle your brain a bit. There is a youtube video of a guy getting a bloody nose from one.
3006 seemed pretty tame in comparison.
“Historically” speaking this is akin to your declaration that Operation Wetback was the act of a Democrat President.
Yes I consider Eisenhower to be a Democrat. I’ve already explained this.
He didn’t declare himself as a Republican until he ran for president in 1952.
If Newsome decided his best chance was to run as a Republican should we then forget all of his political positions before then? Especially if he passes policies supported by Democrats? And is praised by Democrats?
Did you take issue with my claim that the Texas Republicans had a majority for decades and did nothing about illegal immigration at the state level? Are you really in that much denial of how many Republicans will side with agri-business? Are you aware that EBT has long been supported by agri-business aligned Republicans? That is why Republican presidents have never been able to reform it. Too many rural Republicans view it as a farming subsidy. It amounts to billions in food purchases that benefit farmers. They have and will team up with urban Democrats to protect it.
Maybe try turning off Fox News and actually read about how some of these POS politicians actually vote. I’ve lived in a Republican state with massive immigration problems and it’s infuriating to watch someone like Hannity go on rants about the Democrats tolerating illegals while your state Republicans twiddle their thumbs. This view of the Republicans being our pals on immigration is very naive. The Southern states have long had an attitude of looking the other way. Nothing was stopping Texas Republicans from buying up Rio land and putting nation guard bases on them. Nothing.
You were upset enough to amusingly complain unbidden about my “unconcern for the truth”, but now you claim you are uninterested in what I write? Revealed preference documented here says otherwise, bucko: You can’t stop thinking about my comments. NTTAWWT 🙂
I will buy the idea he rushed his shots due to pressure from a police officer seeing him and in a position to shoot him, and certainly the two initial followup shots were too fast to be well aimed. And the second string was rapid fire, I assume simply into the crowd.Replies: @Old Virginia
Breathing and heartbeat in preparing a shot are academic and almost taken for granted by accomplished shooters. Breathe in, breathe out, half a breath in, hold. Between heartbeats – your heart at rest – provides the best moment to hold the sights or crosshairs without any movement on the target.
If the event is true, that boy had no chance at holding his target if he ever attained it. Wasn’t the fireman killed near the top of the grandstand? I’m not sure. If so, the shots were strictly spray-and-pray. I could be wrong. I just don’t think the boy was ready for the mission.
I’m not an instructor or anything but have read from Jack O’Connor, Townsend Whelen, etc. and have spent hours out back with M1 Garands and 1903’s blowing holes in paper. I can attest to how adrenaline and nerves effect preparation and taking the shot from time in the deer stand. It’s something like descriptions of battle – days and hours of boredom punctuated by a moment of terror – but having to calm yourself for the shot.
There’s some stuff on line, easy to find by searching “breathing heartbeat marksmanship”. You want an interesting, at times thrilling, read about sniping, find a cheap copy of Marine Sniper; 93 Confirmed Kills, by Charles Henderson about Gunny Carlos Hathcock. Of course, it’s nothing like this tragic, infuriating story.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47phtu2PLvw
https://assets.cat5.com/images/tactical-experts/the-tactical-rifle-in-law-enforcement/the-semi-automatic-223-rifle.jpgI would even say that a high powered pellet gun requires more concentration. Trump is extremely lucky and so are the other people in the crowd. The AR-15/M16 is an ideal weapon for infantry because they can have fried nerves and still get some shots on the enemy. I could make a 130 yard shot using gangsta glock style. Maybe not on the first shot but within 5-7. You can watch videos on youtube of people shooting them one handed.Replies: @Old Virginia, @Anonymous, @Twinkie
“if worker utilization goes up there is a loss of leisure which only bad accounting practices like naive GDP calculation doesn’t include in well being”
By that metric the laid-off are the best-off!
The interviewee seemed pretty positive about having tripled wages inside three years. I remember how I felt when I doubled my wage in a year around 1985 – I felt I was suddenly rich.
“wages go up, but unless consumer goods production goes up as much”
The good news (at least temporarily) is that our employee is just like an American or European – most of his consumer goods come from China.
Yes, at time the longwinded-ness does shine through, whether being a bastard or not has much to do with it. But it does happen, even to the best of us here. Something about Steve’s noticing that tends to bring out the best in all of us, to some degree.
So, what did everyone think of social media influencer Amber Rose’s speech on Monday? Telling you, that five minutes was so life changing, LIFE CHANGING. A person of the people and from the streets of Philly, if you will, speaking live during primetime. Telling you, youtube the speech–you won’t be disappointed. The hero called Trump was most certainly transfixed. He was listening intently, and hanging on to every single word she said.
lol
Not in several years, but it could happen. Why exactly it would happen with this particular post is anyone’s guess.
I suppose if we really try hard enough, it can happen with this one. Surprised its gone as long as this so far.
No, that was a different incident:
https://almostchosenpeople.wordpress.com/2012/03/08/the-man-who-pulled-old-hickorys-nose/
To progress is the opposite of to conserve. These are antonyms.Replies: @Santoculto
Your real verbal intelligence is several degrees behind… Believing language is not something real but socially conventional is the first step.
And, again, a progressivism which support really unfair policies is a fraudulent one.
And use literal interpretations for progressivism and conservatism is easily problematic specially for the late. If conservatism is only to conserv, just like its original and very vague concept, so living inside a cave would be the best for it and not adopting new technologies, behaviors, ideas or progresses, which would be contradictory.
Anyway, I did not concern myself with the meaning of "progressivist" since that does not matter for the issue at hand. You simply cannot be both “on the Left” AND “a non leftist [x]” no matter what "[x]" is. "On the Left" and "non leftist" are non-overlapping sets.Replies: @Santoculto
They dont exist in real world.
And being against pretentiously fair public policies under the leftwing flag is a legitimate way to support real social justice, like being against mass immigration policy, anti white agenda or trans agenda. It’s totally possible even pretending these abstractions as real things.
Can’t remember which post it was, but occasionally you and I go back and forth regarding flaunting one’s wealth, specifically among rich white people.
I recently mentioned that the palace of Versailles has 721k sq feet of living space. Mar-a-Lago is “only” 62k sq ft of living space. For 2024, THAT could be reasonably considered a palace.
Go look at the picture at top of this post. Iconic.
Wherever the Donald wants to live, it’s ay-okay by me. His dream, his world.
Dude lives in a palace. AND he flaunts it.
He just FLAUNTED with his fist, he just flaunted his surviving an assassination. If that’s not the ultimate badassery flaunting for the 21st century…come on. No cowering, hiding on the ground–but actually getting back up and fistpumping–that’s the ultimate kind of in your face flaunting.
Let him flaunt it! He’s more than earned it.
I suppose if we really try hard enough, it can happen with this one. Surprised its gone as long as this so far.Replies: @William Badwhite
Bring up Russia/Ukraine then Jack D and HA will take us the rest of the way.
Here is a good assessment of the assassination attempt.
The roof the shooter used was unsecured. Local LEO was supposed to do it, but the SS did not make sure it was done
SS was stretched thin – insufficient personell
Under – qualified SS personnel
All of these point to the SS unable to do their job. Trump would be better off with private security.
https://andmagazine.substack.com/p/trump-attempted-assassination-some?publication_id=746580&utm_campaign=email-post-title&r=and08&utm_medium=email
https://www.foxnews.com/video/6357999137112
Former US Army sniper reacts to Trump assassination attempt: This was ‘massive negligence’
https://www.foxnews.com/video/6357999137112
Sorry, seems to be deleted.
Enjoy this one instead…
"Special Agent Kevin Rojek, the FBI officer in charge, said Crooks had been identified using DNA as he was not carrying any ID on him."
Why did they have his DNA on file? Had he committed a prior offence allowing it to be entered into a government database? Possibly, but more likely it confirms what most of us have long suspected: in the interests of "keeping us safe," the government has infiltrated every possible depository of information that is supposed to be kept private, including the raw DNA data held by testing services such as 23andme and MyHeritage. And, given enough data and computing power, it's not difficult to reconstruct any pedigree desired. The intelligence agencies invented the term "Total Information Awareness" some time ago, and in our naive simplicity, we are reluctant to believe that they really, really mean total.Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Mustela Mendax
This question I’ve asked (why was the shooter’s DNA analysis so readily at hand) may become important if there’s any substance to the claims being made about Maxwell Yearick:
https://www.caclubindia.com/assets/maxwell-yearick/
Given Yearick’s arrest record, it’s not unlikely that the analysis would be on file. Can Mr. Yearick be found, to allow him to state an opinion?
https://almostchosenpeople.wordpress.com/2012/03/08/the-man-who-pulled-old-hickorys-nose/Replies: @Nachum
No, this one. In fairness, Jackson seems to have done this a *lot*, so there’s probably going to be a lot of confusion.
Ah I understand, you have your own dictionary. In that case further discussion is futile, because agreeing upon something as fundamental as the definition of words is essential.
Bad news for you.
I’m not an instructor or anything but have read from Jack O’Connor, Townsend Whelen, etc. and have spent hours out back with M1 Garands and 1903’s blowing holes in paper. I can attest to how adrenaline and nerves effect preparation and taking the shot from time in the deer stand. It’s something like descriptions of battle – days and hours of boredom punctuated by a moment of terror – but having to calm yourself for the shot.
Yea but have you shot a modern AR-15?
You don’t have to focus like you do with a 30 caliber.
I could make a 130 yard balloon shot from prone on a bad day. I don’t use breathing techniques at all. I could easily do it while talking on speaker phone.
Once you get the feel of an AR-15 you don’t even need to shoulder it like a 30 cal rifle. That is why you will see military or law enforcement shouldering just the edge of the buttstock. I once thought it was bad form until I actually shot one. You can let it ride high on your shoulder and for some it is more comfortable that way. Kind of like this:
I would even say that a high powered pellet gun requires more concentration.
Trump is extremely lucky and so are the other people in the crowd. The AR-15/M16 is an ideal weapon for infantry because they can have fried nerves and still get some shots on the enemy. I could make a 130 yard shot using gangsta glock style. Maybe not on the first shot but within 5-7. You can watch videos on youtube of people shooting them one handed.
Don't the principles still apply? I've considered that breath and heartbeat, grip and cheek weld, are fundamentals. The shooter still has to have self control to attain and hold the target.
I've got an M16A2 replica, I think the trade name is Sporter. It's a great firearm, definitely easier to handle, lighter, quicker target attainment, minimal muzzle rise, even less effort for an efficient grip versus traditional rifle stocks. I haven't spent as much time with it but it's never occurred to me that I didn't need to practice the same control as with wood and steel - or that I hadn't been, afterwards.
Breathing technique was a sub-topic of my original comment, though. The subject was the physical and mental state of the assassin after the confrontation with the municipal policeman. Whether he fell from the edge of the roof or retreated for his life, I'm certain it panicked the boy into firing away with no concern for fundamentals. As miraculous as the near miss was, I'm not even sure that Mr. Trump's head was ever in his sights. The shooter's 30 ft. group convinces me he was spraying-and-praying. The local cop wasn't suppose to be the last line. I think the outcome would've been much worse without his actions.Replies: @John Johnson
All that said, it is still critical to have sight alignment and trigger control (no jerk, gun goes off on its own). It's just not as much of a mind game to force yourself not to flinch (as with heavier recoil weapons).
By that metric the laid-off are the best-off!
The interviewee seemed pretty positive about having tripled wages inside three years. I remember how I felt when I doubled my wage in a year around 1985 - I felt I was suddenly rich.
"wages go up, but unless consumer goods production goes up as much"
The good news (at least temporarily) is that our employee is just like an American or European - most of his consumer goods come from China.Replies: @Gandydancer
If you don’t need money then not having a boss is absolutely better than having one. But of course I didn’t say that leisure was was the most valuable use of anyone’s time and it is obtuse of you to pretend that I did. If you can trade an hour of leisure for an hour’s wage that is more valuable to you than the leisure that is forfeited you are obviously better off working.
I didn’t think he was that thrilled about his uncle was killed in Ukraine. He may also have a false consciousness if the realization that his increased nominal wages don’t translate to an equally increased ability to purchase goods hasn’t set in. Also he is the beneficiary of a relative increase of the wages of lathe workers relative to other forms of employment. Figuring out what is happening is complicated and your reliance on anecdote unpersuasive, but you persist in ignoring basic principles I mentioned: No one gets to eat the munitions he produces, so someone has to be made worse off to make him well off. The rule is as basic as conservation of momentum in physics. And the Chinese aren’t providing the goods they send for nothing — it has to be paid for by exports or assets that would otherwise remain Russian that Russians are being outcompeted for, so I don’t see why that’s beneficial.
You wrote, “He was only able to make about 7 quick shots (a few seconds at most) before he was taken out by snipers on adjacent roofs.” Whether “adjacent” or “nearby” I would take that to mean adjacent or nearby to the one Crooks was on. The sniper (in a third team) who shot Crooks was apparently in front of Trump to the left of his audience and shot Crooks over the heads of that audience, so his location was neither adjacent nor particularly nearby to Crooks.
All will be clear I think if you look at the video I believe I linked to already:
…but if that doesn’t clear up what I’m saying ask again and I’ll try again.
Like SantasCult you may have your own dictionary.I meant ANY f7cking G-D roof WITHIN VISUAL and/or SHOOTING DISTANCE.Why is that so hard for you to get?You can keep beating it to death for all I care. Sure, try again.I will heed Mark Twain's advice about arguing with stupid people.Replies: @Gandydancer
You have a remarkable inability to recognize that you have utterly failed to make any point.
“The roof the shooter used was unsecured. Local LEO was supposed to do it, but the SS did not make sure it was done
SS was stretched thin – insufficient personell”
And these are total bullshit statements. Passing the buck because they dropped the ball. THIS is the SS’s L, and no one else. They have ONE job. ONE JOB to do. And they almost F’ed up.
Actually they DID F up. A dude with a basic rifle almost took out Trump. That’s on them.
Regarding Presidents, former Presidents, presidential candidates, the SS is totally responsible for securing the safety of the president.
PERIOD. END OF STORY.
This Kimberley Cheadle should be fired. NOW.
The quiet part needs to be shouted: There is a REASON why for most of its history, the SS was totally dominated by men. There’s a reason. This isn’t a good look for DEI, Woke, AA in hiring, feminism–we can do any job the boys can etc etc.
Are you intellectually challenged?
Or just an argumentative idiot???
Sorry, I stand corrected.
No. I’m just not someone who believe any word definition by some authorities is absolutely right or absolutely impossible to be reinterpreted. Like progressivism, racism…
Bad news for you.
https://assets.cat5.com/images/tactical-experts/the-tactical-rifle-in-law-enforcement/the-semi-automatic-223-rifle.jpgI would even say that a high powered pellet gun requires more concentration. Trump is extremely lucky and so are the other people in the crowd. The AR-15/M16 is an ideal weapon for infantry because they can have fried nerves and still get some shots on the enemy. I could make a 130 yard shot using gangsta glock style. Maybe not on the first shot but within 5-7. You can watch videos on youtube of people shooting them one handed.Replies: @Old Virginia, @Anonymous, @Twinkie
Thanks for the reply.
Don’t the principles still apply? I’ve considered that breath and heartbeat, grip and cheek weld, are fundamentals. The shooter still has to have self control to attain and hold the target.
I’ve got an M16A2 replica, I think the trade name is Sporter. It’s a great firearm, definitely easier to handle, lighter, quicker target attainment, minimal muzzle rise, even less effort for an efficient grip versus traditional rifle stocks. I haven’t spent as much time with it but it’s never occurred to me that I didn’t need to practice the same control as with wood and steel – or that I hadn’t been, afterwards.
Breathing technique was a sub-topic of my original comment, though. The subject was the physical and mental state of the assassin after the confrontation with the municipal policeman. Whether he fell from the edge of the roof or retreated for his life, I’m certain it panicked the boy into firing away with no concern for fundamentals. As miraculous as the near miss was, I’m not even sure that Mr. Trump’s head was ever in his sights. The shooter’s 30 ft. group convinces me he was spraying-and-praying. The local cop wasn’t suppose to be the last line. I think the outcome would’ve been much worse without his actions.
I think his first shot was probably on target and Trump got lucky. But peppering a man sized target is easy at that range. It really could have turned into a horror show. I really hope some lessons were learned here. I'm still in shock this guy was walking around with a rangefinder.Replies: @Old Virginia
Again, I don’t backpedal. I recall you as being one of the brown stains, but you can demonstrate that I am wrong about you being, e.g., a Holocaust denier who believes that “jews” run the world with a clear statement to the contrary (mere denial that you are a Holocaust denier won’t cut it — we just had a discussion here where multiple Holocaust deniers denied that they are Holocaust deniers, but then said that the number of dead Jews was only 350,000 or crap like that) and I will THEN take the trouble to check your posts to see if I have misidentified you. If I have I will then withdraw what I said and apologize, which is not the same as a backpedal. If you don’t do this I will maintain what I said unchanged.
It’s a total woke fail.
They have the short chick trying to cover him and his head is exposed.
I would never go to a clown town event for this reason.
It’s like going to an NFL parade. Why test the clown town security? What is the point? Kansas City had two shootings in a row. In a f-cking row.
FOLKS LETS HOPE THIS PARADE DOESN’T HAVE A SHOOTING LIKE THE LAST TWO
Did you not READ WHAT I SAID???
Or LOOK AT THE LINK that I posted???
https://andmagazine.substack.com/p/trump-attempted-assassination-some?publication_id=746580&utm_campaign=email-post-title&r=and08&utm_medium=email
Both say the SS was at fault.
Do you have a reading comprehension problem?
Are you intellectually challenged?
Or just an argumentative idiot???
All will be clear I think if you look at the video I believe I linked to already:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bLJPUMX46o
...but if that doesn't clear up what I'm saying ask again and I'll try again.Replies: @trevor
Look, fruitcake.
I’m not going to quibble semantics with you.
Like SantasCult you may have your own dictionary.
I meant ANY f7cking G-D roof WITHIN VISUAL and/or SHOOTING DISTANCE.
Why is that so hard for you to get?
You can keep beating it to death for all I care. Sure, try again.
I will heed Mark Twain’s advice about arguing with stupid people.
In this case you can’t see the back of the “pumpkin”. and a skull has bones in it so it’s non-obvious that it will behave like a pumpkin when shot. The most famous head shot is of course that of JFK with a 52mm round. A different angle to the skull, but I don’t get the impression that that blew his teeth around.
m told, by Ward Carroll iirc, that there were four sniper teams, the two SS teams on the buildings behindd Trump and two more or less local local ones. He's a fighter pilot guy so the source of this info is not obvious.)Replies: @Almost Missouri, @acementhead
I take that back. Brainfart. Obviously 52mm is the length. I don’t think in metric but I know 76.2mm is 3″ from WW2 tank rounds and it it obviously wasn’t a 2″ diameter round. The JFK assassination rifle used a 6.5×52mm round, which converts to only a .256. Dunno its tumbling characteristics, but that’s a way lighter round than I expect the third sniper team used. (I
m told, by Ward Carroll iirc, that there were four sniper teams, the two SS teams on the buildings behindd Trump and two more or less local local ones. He’s a fighter pilot guy so the source of this info is not obvious.)
Haven't heard of Ward Carroll before, but I'll look to see what he has to say when I have time.Replies: @Gandydancer
* Radar Intercept OfficerReplies: @Gandydancer
And being against pretentiously fair public policies under the leftwing flag is a legitimate way to support real social justice, like being against mass immigration policy, anti white agenda or trans agenda. It's totally possible even pretending these abstractions as real things.Replies: @Gandydancer
You keep gassing on without taking my point and now you sound like someone denying that race is real when in fact it is merely the case that edge cases can be difficult to identify properly. My point didn’t depend on any claim about the real world. As a simple matter of Boolian logic you cannot be both “left” and “non-leftist [x]”. If you are “[x]” AND “left” then by definition you are “leftist [x]”.
You’re backpedaling, big time. Where are the quotes and links? It’s easy to search a commenter’s history. Why do you choose to lie?
I've heard Blackwater founder Erik Prince say the local cop that confronted then retreated from the shooter should be fired and his pension taken but that cop probably saved Trump's life. The shots were fired mere moments after the confrontation; heart racing , adrenaline pumping and being in a hurry is not the way to an accurate shot. Ask any deer hunter after he sees the elusive Joe Nailer.
That boy's heart was pounding through his shirt after the confrontation. He never drew his target, he just shot the bush where he saw it.Replies: @That Would Be Telling, @Gandydancer
Are you writing in code? Who is “Joe Nailer” and what is this “bush” of which you speak?
To save posts I will address additional info to your respondent That Would Be Telling here: As best I can determine the dead fireman and two wounded were in the side bleacher (there were three bleachers) between Crooks and Trump. So maybe they were hit because Crooks overcorrected for the fact that Trump had dropped to the “ground” or because that put them in the line of fire. The latter is not a marksmanship error. Crooks washed out of his school’s gun team but how long he’d been shooting at that point is unknown to me. And he did practice at a local gun range.
No matter the assassin's skill with the rifle he was not the man for the job. As desensitized as he may have been in the vacuum of gaming and his imagination, he wasn't trained for the gravity of the mission. Whether he should've or could've carried out the shot sooner, I don't know. I know for sure the confrontation with the local cop seriously compromised his mental and physical ability to make an accurate shot.
Why do you chooser to not answer my simple question but instead insist on my doing uninteresting research that I’ve already said I will not do unless it is to check a specific claim by you? Until you answer I will not even consider whether to reassess my belief that you are the fecal smear lunatic that I recall you to be, and of course I will in any case reiterate that your inebriated attempts at “humor” are both lame and lame-brained. I’ve already said that I think you are an idiot and you continue to prove me right. If you think that these comments are “backpedaling, big time” from my denigration of you you are free to think so. LOL!
That you now announce that you said that Operation Wetback was the work of a Democrat because Eisenhower was a RINO has no plausibility at all.
I seem to recall that Trump was a Democrat for most of his life. But if you write in passing and without any context that the 2016 Presidential contest was won by a Democrat you can expect that you will be taken to be a gibbering ignoramus, or that you wrote the opposite of what you intended to write. But you are here denying any such explanations. Not a good look.
Again, your claim was that the Texas GOP was unconcerned about the invasion before Trump and, now, that “Nothing was stopping Texas Republicans from buying up Rio land and putting nation[sic] guard bases on them”. But I’ve already pointed out that anti-Invasion enforcement was prohibited by SCOTUS before Trump ran. Just admit that what you said was wrong and move on. It won’t kill you.
Your brain is broken. Just because I think your comments are uninteresting doesn’t mean that I will let idiocy pass unrebuked. Quite a few of my comments in these threads are for the purpose of attempting to suppress bad hygiene. It’s tedious work, but a social good.
Is autism required to explain why I don’t follow this?
I’ve already said this, but just so YOU get notified of my answer….
There were THREE grandstands. My guess is that you are thinking of the one behind Trump. No, the fireman was shot in the grandstand to Trump’s right, which was in the line of fire between Crooks and Trump. From Crooks’ POV Trump may even have dropped out of sight behind the crowd in THAT grandstand when he dropped to the floor, depending on Crooks’ elevation. So shooting through them to try to hit Trump would not be a marksmanship error. And hitting someone in the top row is entirely consistent with that.
I think it's from ABC. It can be scrolled from the podium-to-overhead-to-shooter's view. I can't provide links as I am strictly analog.Replies: @Gandydancer, @Gandydancer
Possibly, but more likely mine than yours. My wife often tells me that I don’t state/explain things in ways that help people understand. She, out of kindness, attributes this to ‘introversion’ but it’s probably just a nice way of saying autism. I was trying to mock (apparently not so successfully) a certain kind of “It all makes sense!” mentality that will pounce on something that it sees as an anomaly (missing teeth/speedy collapse of WTC), whether real or imagined, and will impress in service kind of random anecdotes (Dancing Israelis/ e.g. Crooks’ poor performance in high school marksmanship) to construct an elaborate theory complete with motives, cui bonos, etc. that are not exactly models of rigor. I wasn’t, btw, trying to impute this mentality to you. I was just riffing. Doubtless this explanation is as clear as mud but it’s the best I can do, sadly.
Just for your reference.
I’ve seen an aerial view of the park, industrial buildings and grandstands showing the section to Trump’s right many feet away from the shooter’s line of fire.
I think it’s from ABC. It can be scrolled from the podium-to-overhead-to-shooter’s view. I can’t provide links as I am strictly analog.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozCQwPyVKlE&t=245sReplies: @Old Virginia
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1814300337299165562.html
I apologize. I assumed knowledge of others. “Joe Nailer” is the massive, 16 point, 28″ spread buck that hunters dream of harvesting. Almost a legend. When you see him you can’t believe your eyes, your heart is pounding. Don’t wait, don’t think, he’ll be gone in a blink (rhyme, unintentional). Your mind and nerves are so rattled, you think you see him behind the bush he disappeared into so you fire into the bush. For the next ten seasons you watch the same bush thinking “Joe” is going to come through it.
No matter the assassin’s skill with the rifle he was not the man for the job. As desensitized as he may have been in the vacuum of gaming and his imagination, he wasn’t trained for the gravity of the mission. Whether he should’ve or could’ve carried out the shot sooner, I don’t know. I know for sure the confrontation with the local cop seriously compromised his mental and physical ability to make an accurate shot.
m told, by Ward Carroll iirc, that there were four sniper teams, the two SS teams on the buildings behindd Trump and two more or less local local ones. He's a fighter pilot guy so the source of this info is not obvious.)Replies: @Almost Missouri, @acementhead
Yeah, your MrGunsNGear link from earlier (which was informative BTW) also said he thinks there were three sniper teams, but I’ve seen other sources say there were only two sniper teams: the one each behind Trump to his left and right. I don’t know who is right, but MrGnG did convince me that the sniper team behind Trump’s right flank (to the left of Trump in most videos) did not fire on the assassin, because their line of sight was blocked by foliage, so the online complaints about that counter-sniper team not firing in time is beside the point: they didn’t fire at all, though it’s not clear who did.
Haven’t heard of Ward Carroll before, but I’ll look to see what he has to say when I have time.
There's a lot not being clarified for no good reason. But the process of crowdsourced successive approximation is clearing out a lot of garbage.Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
Biden rapidly proceeding into Stage 5 dementia, congresscritters weeping in fear with bags on their heads at the Jan 6 protest
vs.
Trump gets shot by a rifle, stands up, blood on his face, pumps his fist, and yells, "Fight, fight, fight!"
What a time to be alive.Replies: @Frau Katze, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Almost Missouri
I got it the first time.
Just for your reference.
Don't the principles still apply? I've considered that breath and heartbeat, grip and cheek weld, are fundamentals. The shooter still has to have self control to attain and hold the target.
I've got an M16A2 replica, I think the trade name is Sporter. It's a great firearm, definitely easier to handle, lighter, quicker target attainment, minimal muzzle rise, even less effort for an efficient grip versus traditional rifle stocks. I haven't spent as much time with it but it's never occurred to me that I didn't need to practice the same control as with wood and steel - or that I hadn't been, afterwards.
Breathing technique was a sub-topic of my original comment, though. The subject was the physical and mental state of the assassin after the confrontation with the municipal policeman. Whether he fell from the edge of the roof or retreated for his life, I'm certain it panicked the boy into firing away with no concern for fundamentals. As miraculous as the near miss was, I'm not even sure that Mr. Trump's head was ever in his sights. The shooter's 30 ft. group convinces me he was spraying-and-praying. The local cop wasn't suppose to be the last line. I think the outcome would've been much worse without his actions.Replies: @John Johnson
Don’t the principles still apply? I’ve considered that breath and heartbeat, grip and cheek weld, are fundamentals. The shooter still has to have self control to attain and hold the target.
You don’t need to do anything with breath or heartbeat with an AR-15 at 130 yards.
I don’t even think about it at 200 yards. In fact I enjoy casual offhand shooting an Ar-15 at 100 yards with a red dot. Like talking with my friend while we shoot clays.
Of course you have to hold and aim but it doesn’t require the same level of concentration as say a 30 cal bolt action. I think after you shoot around 1000 rounds of 223 it becomes pretty natural.
I also like shooting bolt actions but I do it from a bench. I don’t want anyone talking to me. When in the mood I like a wood stock bolt with a mid range caliber like 270. Quality scope.
I’ve got an M16A2 replica, I think the trade name is Sporter. It’s a great firearm, definitely easier to handle, lighter, quicker target attainment, minimal muzzle rise, even less effort for an efficient grip versus traditional rifle stocks.
I would just swap out the classic bird cage and replace it with something like a strike industries comp. Maybe swap in a fiber site or add a red dot. Depends on what you like. I think there is an appeal in seeing how good you can get with irons. I would also swap in a new trigger. It will really improve your shooting.
As miraculous as the near miss was, I’m not even sure that Mr. Trump’s head was ever in his sights.
I think his first shot was probably on target and Trump got lucky.
But peppering a man sized target is easy at that range. It really could have turned into a horror show. I really hope some lessons were learned here. I’m still in shock this guy was walking around with a rangefinder.
I know the AR is a superior weapon. Fun, too. As superior as the ergonomics and controls are over wood-and-steel, could you run a 100yard dash, drop down, prone, and squeeze off a killing shot in two seconds? That's the condition I think the boy was in after being busted by the officer. It's the premise from my original comment. He was a kid, a recreational shooter and was rattled into now-or-never actions, adrenaline and nerves overwhelming efficient control of the rifle.
I appreciate your comments and information. The conversation makes me want start shooting again. I used to all the time until I rescued a young Jack Russell that is my constant companion. She's an assassin herself but she hates guns, even the click of a safety.Replies: @Gandydancer
That you now announce that you said that Operation Wetback was the work of a Democrat because Eisenhower was a RINO has no plausibility at all.
His political record is clear.
He didn’t declare himself to be a Republican until he was asked to run for office. That was in 1952. During his entire military career he spoke against partisan politics and showed no interest in running. I can provide quotes if you would like.
If Gavin changed to a Republican in the next election and passed legislation supported by Democrats should history remember him as a Republican politician?
I seem to recall that Trump was a Democrat for most of his life.
Yes and I sometimes refer to him as a NYC Democrat and real estate con artist.
But unlike Eisenhower he consistently voted with Republicans in DC. So I can see either label for him. I think Trump is first and foremost and opportunist. He helped fundraise for the Clintons when he was a Democrat. He is in fact on record praising Hillary. I’ve never praised Hillary.
Again, your claim was that the Texas GOP was unconcerned about the invasion before Trump and, now, that “Nothing was stopping Texas Republicans from buying up Rio land and putting nation[sic] guard bases on them”. But I’ve already pointed out that anti-Invasion enforcement was prohibited by SCOTUS before Trump ran.
More excuses for agri-business Republicans in Texas.
Republicans could have bought up Rio land and simply built national guard bases. Is it illegal to build bases near the border? No. Is it illegal to built shooting ranges near the border? No. Is it illegal to fund law enforcement near border areas? No. State governments can take action and they don’t have to explicitly state that they are deterring illegal immigration. They’re building a highway with fences to keep people off the roads. They’re building gated communities with cameras. This is not that hard. The problem is willpower.
Democrats play similar games with gun control. They push and push until something sticks. An occasional SCOTUS ruling doesn’t deter them.
Stop making excuses for apathetic politicians. California Democrats have effectively banned AR-15s while acting as if you can still buy them. It’s a de-facto ban they developed that works within existing rules. The key difference is motive. California Democrats are motivated by their agenda while the Texas Republicans like a lot of Republicans are really just whores for big business.
The states have always been able to detain illegal immigrants through law enforcement. Did you have an excuse for why Texas Republicans couldn’t massively increase law enforcement funding near the border? Would you like to guess if El Paso is well funded or not when it comes to law enforcement? It’s the Republicans that drag their feet on any government funding that involves taxes. They view it as a sin for the state the fund the counties.
It is so apt that Trump campaigned and contributed to Billary. Three pees in a pod. Also, I believe that Trump's father at one time was NY state GOP chairman. Read that some yrs ago, but the info could've been inaccurate.
So, this November what we have to choose from, realistically, is between an opportunist who has all his marbles, or...a senile dementia case, who with each passing month...does not have most of his remaining marbles.
If Joe makes it to the convention and is officially nominated, would have to reasonably assume that Trump has more than a chance to win in November.
It's not really all that controversial, much less arguable at this state to suggest that Joe Biden isn't mentally, cognitively all there anymore. Certainly he's in far worse shape than what he was in 2020, and it wasn't all that good in 2020.
Nice, you have a “belief”, but no evidence. Quality commenting from you. 🙂
False. You haven’t yet rebuked yourself.
You smell autistic. First you got tricked into huffy literalist umbrage by an obvious joke post, then you backpedal with lying squid ink about something off-topic I supposedly wrote, but being a angry sperg you seem not to understand that lying is bad form, digging yourself a deeper hole.
Given how often you are confused, and angry about your own confusion, e.g. to Old Virginia above:
… you should always assume the error is with you. Instead of foolishly rushing to ‘correct’ someone’s ‘error’ like a precocious little hall monitor, one option is to humbly, without ‘attitude’, ask what is meant—today you made a baby step of progress by admitting to kaganovitch you didn’t understand his comment. I’m rootin’ for ya, kid.
I think his first shot was probably on target and Trump got lucky. But peppering a man sized target is easy at that range. It really could have turned into a horror show. I really hope some lessons were learned here. I'm still in shock this guy was walking around with a rangefinder.Replies: @Old Virginia
Do we know yet that the shooter had a scope or red dot? I’ve seen nothing conclusively.
I know the AR is a superior weapon. Fun, too. As superior as the ergonomics and controls are over wood-and-steel, could you run a 100yard dash, drop down, prone, and squeeze off a killing shot in two seconds? That’s the condition I think the boy was in after being busted by the officer. It’s the premise from my original comment. He was a kid, a recreational shooter and was rattled into now-or-never actions, adrenaline and nerves overwhelming efficient control of the rifle.
I appreciate your comments and information. The conversation makes me want start shooting again. I used to all the time until I rescued a young Jack Russell that is my constant companion. She’s an assassin herself but she hates guns, even the click of a safety.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bsi8m7otdQM&t=455s
Zuckerberg: “Trump get up after getting shot in the face and pump his fist in the air with the American flag is one of the most badass things I’ve ever seen in my life.”
Does that mean that this time, Zuck won’t dedicate $400+ million to seeing to it that whoever opposes Trump gets elected?
How about TDS-victim Robert “Punchy” De Niro, who in May called Trump a coward and said, “You think Trump ever threw a punch himself? Or took one?”
Haven't heard of Ward Carroll before, but I'll look to see what he has to say when I have time.Replies: @Gandydancer
I was one of those raising questions about that and I still have questions. I’m convinced that their view was obstructed by limbs on one side of the intervening tree, but that obstruction might not have been complete. So that sniper team MIGHT have had LOS to Crooks. But even then maybe only of his head and not the gun until he began shooting, and that wouldn’t trigger a shot IMHO. I want very much to know what direction the other behind-Trump sniper team was facing when Crooks fired as I think they had an unobstructed view. But their scan responsibility might not have been in that direction.
There’s a lot not being clarified for no good reason. But the process of crowdsourced successive approximation is clearing out a lot of garbage.
“But unlike Eisenhower he consistently voted with Republicans in DC. So I can see either label for him. I think Trump is first and foremost and opportunist.”
It is so apt that Trump campaigned and contributed to Billary. Three pees in a pod. Also, I believe that Trump’s father at one time was NY state GOP chairman. Read that some yrs ago, but the info could’ve been inaccurate.
So, this November what we have to choose from, realistically, is between an opportunist who has all his marbles, or…a senile dementia case, who with each passing month…does not have most of his remaining marbles.
If Joe makes it to the convention and is officially nominated, would have to reasonably assume that Trump has more than a chance to win in November.
It’s not really all that controversial, much less arguable at this state to suggest that Joe Biden isn’t mentally, cognitively all there anymore. Certainly he’s in far worse shape than what he was in 2020, and it wasn’t all that good in 2020.
Like SantasCult you may have your own dictionary.I meant ANY f7cking G-D roof WITHIN VISUAL and/or SHOOTING DISTANCE.Why is that so hard for you to get?You can keep beating it to death for all I care. Sure, try again.I will heed Mark Twain's advice about arguing with stupid people.Replies: @Gandydancer
“Adjacent” does not mean “WITHIN VISUAL and/or SHOOTING DISTANCE”. So I naturally took it that you had the wrong idea as to where Crooks was shot from. Being civil to you was clearly a mistake. If I can remember your handle I won’t repeat it.
How wide would this proposed continuous strip of National Guard bases along the Texas-Mexico border have to be and how long would it be? How large would the Texas National Guard have to be to make this into an actual barrier? Do you have any idea what this would cost or how much disruption to Texan lives this would cause?
And not doing this is your evidence that no one in the Texas GOP gave a damn about the invasion before Trump?
You are an utter clown.
Still making excuses for Texas agri-Republicans that have had a veto proof majority, eh?
Boy I guess I really got under your skin since it's completely off topic.
If you had actually studied this issue instead of taking a superficial Fox based view like Trump then you would know that the illegals come through certain areas of the Rio that need additional protection. This was pointed out ages ago. There are already natural deterrents along the border which was why Trump's Big Dumb Wall never made sense and risked the current situation where it doesn't get built. I warned when Trump was elected that a Big Dumb Wall could easily end up in court over environmental appeals and a combination of walls and electronic monitoring made more sense. That is also what the border patrol suggested.
You can see an example of this with GPS coordinates 29.66899585616566, -101.3140127165855
There is already a natural canyon in that area. A Chinese style wall isn't needed and motion detection would be plenty. In other remote areas the border patrol uses motion detectors in combination with drones and patrol units. Illegals can only move so fast.
But not far is an area where they try to cross:
29.467070217886665, -101.09490680960128
The deterrent isn't just in what exists on the US side. They also don't want to enter areas where they have to trek across desert in Mexico.
And not doing this is your evidence that no one in the Texas GOP gave a damn about the invasion before Trump?
They've had a majority since 1992 and yet there has been more initiative to secure the border on the private level. Unfortunately the "we will build it" campaign was a money making scam by Steve Bannon.
Texas Party Control: 1992-2024
https://ballotpedia.org/Party_control_of_Texas_state_government
But if you want to keep making excuses for sell-out Republicans then go ahead. Or cite one bill from them before Trump that did anything to secure the Rio.
You are an utter clown.
We will let the readers decide if you or I has the better understanding of Texas politics and illegal immigration.Replies: @Gandydancer
Maybe your expression reflects an impulse to poetic expression. Whereas I have always found poetic expression particularly unappealing and am the worst possible audience for it, going back at least to school days sixty or so years ago. Oil and water.
I know the AR is a superior weapon. Fun, too. As superior as the ergonomics and controls are over wood-and-steel, could you run a 100yard dash, drop down, prone, and squeeze off a killing shot in two seconds? That's the condition I think the boy was in after being busted by the officer. It's the premise from my original comment. He was a kid, a recreational shooter and was rattled into now-or-never actions, adrenaline and nerves overwhelming efficient control of the rifle.
I appreciate your comments and information. The conversation makes me want start shooting again. I used to all the time until I rescued a young Jack Russell that is my constant companion. She's an assassin herself but she hates guns, even the click of a safety.Replies: @Gandydancer
Blow-up of Crooks with rifle on roof at 7:37. He’s not sighting through it but it looks like a scope to me:
There's a lot not being clarified for no good reason. But the process of crowdsourced successive approximation is clearing out a lot of garbage.Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
All the SS had to do was secure that rooftop. That’s it and that’s all. If they had secured the roof, the would be assassin would’ve been out of luck. No one can say that the SS didn’t know about that roof ca.160 yrds away. No one. They knew the roof was there. All they had to do was get up there and secure it.
If the SS had done that, then one would hope, he would have finally aroused suspicion as to why is he the only dude walking around with a rifle looking around at all the rooftops for? In point of fact one of the eyewitnesses kept pointing at him the entire time he was ascending the roof, and the SS and local police ignored him.
Now, if one wants to make the case that his backup plan, in case he was out of luck for going on top of a roof, would be to then use the explosives in his car, then that’s a different argument, but feel free to make it.
I think it's from ABC. It can be scrolled from the podium-to-overhead-to-shooter's view. I can't provide links as I am strictly analog.Replies: @Gandydancer, @Gandydancer
You may have been misled by misplacement of Crooks body in that aerial view. He is routinely placed much further from the parking lot than he actually was (see ~4:05 in the following video) which means he would appear to have a better view around the grandstand than he actually had. I’m looking for a good photo of the view from Trump’s location towards Crooks but although I’ve seen one from the space between grandstand #2 behind Trump and his platform that makes grandstand #1 look like quite an obstacle (which view I’ve lost track of) I haven’t found the view I want.
You’re apparently conflating me with someone else. I’ve never had the slightest inclination to excuse the SS for not making sure there were cops on that roof. Nor have I suggested that explosives, if there were any (cops routinely mischaracterize such things), were a plausible backup plan. Crooks didn’t have a suicide vest. It’s possible to address various theories and facts about the snipers without jumping uncontrollably to other subjects.
How wide would this proposed continuous strip of National Guard bases along the Texas-Mexico border have to be and how long would it be?
Still making excuses for Texas agri-Republicans that have had a veto proof majority, eh?
Boy I guess I really got under your skin since it’s completely off topic.
If you had actually studied this issue instead of taking a superficial Fox based view like Trump then you would know that the illegals come through certain areas of the Rio that need additional protection. This was pointed out ages ago. There are already natural deterrents along the border which was why Trump’s Big Dumb Wall never made sense and risked the current situation where it doesn’t get built. I warned when Trump was elected that a Big Dumb Wall could easily end up in court over environmental appeals and a combination of walls and electronic monitoring made more sense. That is also what the border patrol suggested.
You can see an example of this with GPS coordinates 29.66899585616566, -101.3140127165855
There is already a natural canyon in that area. A Chinese style wall isn’t needed and motion detection would be plenty. In other remote areas the border patrol uses motion detectors in combination with drones and patrol units. Illegals can only move so fast.
But not far is an area where they try to cross:
29.467070217886665, -101.09490680960128
The deterrent isn’t just in what exists on the US side. They also don’t want to enter areas where they have to trek across desert in Mexico.
And not doing this is your evidence that no one in the Texas GOP gave a damn about the invasion before Trump?
They’ve had a majority since 1992 and yet there has been more initiative to secure the border on the private level. Unfortunately the “we will build it” campaign was a money making scam by Steve Bannon.
Texas Party Control: 1992-2024
https://ballotpedia.org/Party_control_of_Texas_state_government
But if you want to keep making excuses for sell-out Republicans then go ahead. Or cite one bill from them before Trump that did anything to secure the Rio.
You are an utter clown.
We will let the readers decide if you or I has the better understanding of Texas politics and illegal immigration.
https://assets.cat5.com/images/tactical-experts/the-tactical-rifle-in-law-enforcement/the-semi-automatic-223-rifle.jpgI would even say that a high powered pellet gun requires more concentration. Trump is extremely lucky and so are the other people in the crowd. The AR-15/M16 is an ideal weapon for infantry because they can have fried nerves and still get some shots on the enemy. I could make a 130 yard shot using gangsta glock style. Maybe not on the first shot but within 5-7. You can watch videos on youtube of people shooting them one handed.Replies: @Old Virginia, @Anonymous, @Twinkie
The M-16 has limited recoil, which makes it less important to firmly seat the butt, in terms of effect after the first shot. It also helps mitigate the flinch reflex that many new shooters have with any weapon.
All that said, it is still critical to have sight alignment and trigger control (no jerk, gun goes off on its own). It’s just not as much of a mind game to force yourself not to flinch (as with heavier recoil weapons).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozCQwPyVKlE&t=245sReplies: @Old Virginia
There is an interesting graphic simulation on gateway pundit. Best thing I’ve found, if accurate.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/07/3d-model-posits-what-trump-assassination-attempt-butler/
is reposting an Instagram Video, which isn't bad but it's not as good as the modeling in this article, IMHO.
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1814300337299165562.html?utm_campaign=topunroll
Instagram has me banned (I don't recall why) so I'd have to use a burner email or something to look at the original.
TGP's added commentary is rather brain dead: "The conclusion of the video is that Thomas Crooks... was the sole shooter and attempts to line up the shots to the location of where federal authorities claim Crooks’ body was found..." As if there wasn't drone video of Crooks body on the roof. And, yes, as TGP says, we were told that Crooks had purchased a ladder but the video says Crooks didn't use it, which GP shows no sign of having registered. But I may be a bit biased against GP. They banned me, too, for being mildly unworshipfull of Trump on one occasion, IIRC. LOL!Replies: @Old Virginia
Still making excuses for Texas agri-Republicans that have had a veto proof majority, eh?
Boy I guess I really got under your skin since it's completely off topic.
If you had actually studied this issue instead of taking a superficial Fox based view like Trump then you would know that the illegals come through certain areas of the Rio that need additional protection. This was pointed out ages ago. There are already natural deterrents along the border which was why Trump's Big Dumb Wall never made sense and risked the current situation where it doesn't get built. I warned when Trump was elected that a Big Dumb Wall could easily end up in court over environmental appeals and a combination of walls and electronic monitoring made more sense. That is also what the border patrol suggested.
You can see an example of this with GPS coordinates 29.66899585616566, -101.3140127165855
There is already a natural canyon in that area. A Chinese style wall isn't needed and motion detection would be plenty. In other remote areas the border patrol uses motion detectors in combination with drones and patrol units. Illegals can only move so fast.
But not far is an area where they try to cross:
29.467070217886665, -101.09490680960128
The deterrent isn't just in what exists on the US side. They also don't want to enter areas where they have to trek across desert in Mexico.
And not doing this is your evidence that no one in the Texas GOP gave a damn about the invasion before Trump?
They've had a majority since 1992 and yet there has been more initiative to secure the border on the private level. Unfortunately the "we will build it" campaign was a money making scam by Steve Bannon.
Texas Party Control: 1992-2024
https://ballotpedia.org/Party_control_of_Texas_state_government
But if you want to keep making excuses for sell-out Republicans then go ahead. Or cite one bill from them before Trump that did anything to secure the Rio.
You are an utter clown.
We will let the readers decide if you or I has the better understanding of Texas politics and illegal immigration.Replies: @Gandydancer
I notice that you didn’t answer any of my questions about the area of the new National Guard bases you propose, the cost of acquiring and building them, and the number and cost of the personnel needed to man them 24/7/365. There’s a reason no one has proposed your hare-brained scheme to get around the pre-Trump US v Arizona strictures from SCOTUS– it’s a complete non-starter. FEDERAL action to imprison and deport illegals is the only practical solution.
I think it's from ABC. It can be scrolled from the podium-to-overhead-to-shooter's view. I can't provide links as I am strictly analog.Replies: @Gandydancer, @Gandydancer
Here’s a very informative X thread that supports with new-to-me facts and images and videos my suggestion that bleacher #1 was a substantial obstacle to Crooks seeing Trump. Not only was it in the LOS but Trump’s head when standing was barely higher than the top railing.
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1814300337299165562.html
The Gateway Pundit
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/07/3d-model-posits-what-trump-assassination-attempt-butler/
is reposting an Instagram Video, which isn’t bad but it’s not as good as the modeling in this article, IMHO.
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1814300337299165562.html?utm_campaign=topunroll
Instagram has me banned (I don’t recall why) so I’d have to use a burner email or something to look at the original.
TGP’s added commentary is rather brain dead: “The conclusion of the video is that Thomas Crooks… was the sole shooter and attempts to line up the shots to the location of where federal authorities claim Crooks’ body was found…” As if there wasn’t drone video of Crooks body on the roof. And, yes, as TGP says, we were told that Crooks had purchased a ladder but the video says Crooks didn’t use it, which GP shows no sign of having registered. But I may be a bit biased against GP. They banned me, too, for being mildly unworshipfull of Trump on one occasion, IIRC. LOL!
It seems the occurrence of confrontation with a local cop is in doubt, and the position of the shooter on the building finally established to the far right. It doesn't change a bit my reason for being here - the shooter's lack of skill and training. The bleachers and people now in evidence adjacent to the line of fire wouldn't matter to a skilled and steady marksman. They may be a distraction to a recreational shooter but the marksman is only concerned with the target.
An indication of the shooter's knowledge and abilities is his carrying a range finder. They are useful, essential, at long distances. At the shooter's distance they're just a toy, there being negligible bullet drop with the rifle used.
The point is, even with the near miss Mr. Trump was lucky that, of all the nut jobs to make the attempt, this guy was the one - which is, yet, small consolation to Mr. Comperatore and his family.
(I've been banned from gateway pundit for periods a number of times, never knowing why.)Replies: @Gandydancer
m told, by Ward Carroll iirc, that there were four sniper teams, the two SS teams on the buildings behindd Trump and two more or less local local ones. He's a fighter pilot guy so the source of this info is not obvious.)Replies: @Almost Missouri, @acementhead
Ward Carroll is not a fighter pilot guy. He’s not even a fighter pilot girl, he’s a RIO* guy.
* Radar Intercept Officer
The Day of the Jackal (1973) | Final Assassination Scene
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQkBwYWgtLchttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Day_of_the_Jackal_(film)Replies: @mc23, @Pixo, @MEH 0910
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-13653031/EDEN-CONFIDENTIAL-Politically-correct-quotas-undermined-Donald-Trumps-security-shooting-claims-Day-Jackal-author-Frederick-Forsyth.html
https://web.archive.org/web/20240721100113/https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-13653031/EDEN-CONFIDENTIAL-Politically-correct-quotas-undermined-Donald-Trumps-security-shooting-claims-Day-Jackal-author-Frederick-Forsyth.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_Forsyth
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Day_of_the_Jackal
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/07/3d-model-posits-what-trump-assassination-attempt-butler/
is reposting an Instagram Video, which isn't bad but it's not as good as the modeling in this article, IMHO.
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1814300337299165562.html?utm_campaign=topunroll
Instagram has me banned (I don't recall why) so I'd have to use a burner email or something to look at the original.
TGP's added commentary is rather brain dead: "The conclusion of the video is that Thomas Crooks... was the sole shooter and attempts to line up the shots to the location of where federal authorities claim Crooks’ body was found..." As if there wasn't drone video of Crooks body on the roof. And, yes, as TGP says, we were told that Crooks had purchased a ladder but the video says Crooks didn't use it, which GP shows no sign of having registered. But I may be a bit biased against GP. They banned me, too, for being mildly unworshipfull of Trump on one occasion, IIRC. LOL!Replies: @Old Virginia
It’s all very interesting and very confused. The only thing I’m sure of is the ineptitude and callousness of Homeland Security and the SS. I’ll give them the benefit of the doubt as to complicity for the moment. Similarly as to a second shooter but nothing will surprise.
It seems the occurrence of confrontation with a local cop is in doubt, and the position of the shooter on the building finally established to the far right. It doesn’t change a bit my reason for being here – the shooter’s lack of skill and training. The bleachers and people now in evidence adjacent to the line of fire wouldn’t matter to a skilled and steady marksman. They may be a distraction to a recreational shooter but the marksman is only concerned with the target.
An indication of the shooter’s knowledge and abilities is his carrying a range finder. They are useful, essential, at long distances. At the shooter’s distance they’re just a toy, there being negligible bullet drop with the rifle used.
The point is, even with the near miss Mr. Trump was lucky that, of all the nut jobs to make the attempt, this guy was the one – which is, yet, small consolation to Mr. Comperatore and his family.
(I’ve been banned from gateway pundit for periods a number of times, never knowing why.)
I think all he had was a view of Trump's head, then not even that after Trump dropped to the floor.
Crooks didn't know that he would be shooting at Trump from only 140 yards away, so he might have gotten help from the range finder. So I don't see his carrying it as proof of his ineptitude either.
This was suicide by cop IMHO. No reason to expect Crooks to be the Jackal.
* Radar Intercept OfficerReplies: @Gandydancer
Correction noted. He’s a Navy fighter guy, but a back seater rather than a pilot. My point, that he’s not obviously plugged into the Secret Service or has any protection detail expertise or contacts, is unaffected.. The existence of 4 anti sniper teams in Trump’s detail is unconfirmed. It seems Crooks was shot by SS counter-sniper team #2, and there were only 2 SS teams (up recently from 1).
It seems the occurrence of confrontation with a local cop is in doubt, and the position of the shooter on the building finally established to the far right. It doesn't change a bit my reason for being here - the shooter's lack of skill and training. The bleachers and people now in evidence adjacent to the line of fire wouldn't matter to a skilled and steady marksman. They may be a distraction to a recreational shooter but the marksman is only concerned with the target.
An indication of the shooter's knowledge and abilities is his carrying a range finder. They are useful, essential, at long distances. At the shooter's distance they're just a toy, there being negligible bullet drop with the rifle used.
The point is, even with the near miss Mr. Trump was lucky that, of all the nut jobs to make the attempt, this guy was the one - which is, yet, small consolation to Mr. Comperatore and his family.
(I've been banned from gateway pundit for periods a number of times, never knowing why.)Replies: @Gandydancer
Crooks’ shots weren’t far off the line of fire to his target. E.g., the one that clipped Trump’s ear apparently hit someone (David Dutch, iirc) in grandstand#3. That’s not evidence of bad marksmanship.
I think all he had was a view of Trump’s head, then not even that after Trump dropped to the floor.
Crooks didn’t know that he would be shooting at Trump from only 140 yards away, so he might have gotten help from the range finder. So I don’t see his carrying it as proof of his ineptitude either.
This was suicide by cop IMHO. No reason to expect Crooks to be the Jackal.
Sorry for the misunderstanding. I overreacted to you when I thought you were coming at me a second time. I was stressed out at the time about another commenter and dot Indian scammers trying to steal my identity and perpetrate Medicare fraud and displaced some of my anger to you.
Perhaps “adjacent” was the wrong word to use but I was thinking “nearby” and not contiguous (touching).
“Adjacent and adjoining are both words that mean close to or near something, but they have different implications:
Adjacent
Means (nearby) or next to something, but it may or may not imply contact. For example, you might describe houses or angles as adjacent.
Adjoining
Means touching or having a common point or line. For example, you might describe rooms as adjoining if they have an inside door that connects them. ”
If Donald Trump had been assassinated would Joe Biden have still dropped out of the race?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Matthew_Crooks
If Thomas Matthew Crooks had a brother he would look like Will Stancil.
https://assets.cat5.com/images/tactical-experts/the-tactical-rifle-in-law-enforcement/the-semi-automatic-223-rifle.jpgI would even say that a high powered pellet gun requires more concentration. Trump is extremely lucky and so are the other people in the crowd. The AR-15/M16 is an ideal weapon for infantry because they can have fried nerves and still get some shots on the enemy. I could make a 130 yard shot using gangsta glock style. Maybe not on the first shot but within 5-7. You can watch videos on youtube of people shooting them one handed.Replies: @Old Virginia, @Anonymous, @Twinkie
This is nonsense.
I don’t know where you learned to shoot firearms, but shooting ANY and ALL firearms accurately and consistently requires a proper breathing technique. Not only does proper breathing maintain a consistent sight picture, it also allows you to press the trigger smoothly into and through “the wall.”
It doesn’t matter whether the weapon in question is a 10/22 chambered in 22LR or a Remington 700 in .300 Win Mag (that the USSS employs). Incorrect breathing will result in sight alignment disturbance and improper trigger press.
An AR-15 is not some magic weapon that negates the laws of physics and biomechanics. This is especially true when firing under stress (try running a few sprints and shooting immediately, even prone, kinda like biathlon, to see how much breathing matters) as well as when using a gritty milspec trigger.
As for the picture you posted, that is most certainly not how an LEO is taught to hold a rifle for shooting. The officer in question is likely spotting, not aiming. I am old enough to have been taught to shoot initially in the “two triangles” target shooting stance:
But have been “re-educated” to the more modern version that emphasizes wider view/situational awareness and lateral mobility (and taking advantage of body armor):
As for your assertion that an AR-15 “outranges” an AK (I assume you mean AKM, not AK-74). This is entirely theoretical.
An AR-15 firing a 55 grain bullet (M193 equivalent) has a theoretical maximum effective range of about 500-600 meters. But the terminal effectiveness beyond 150-200 meters is questionable and the bullet is subject to ambient conditions (e.g. wind) significantly at extended ranges. It also suffers greatly from inability to penetrate barrier, which deficiency magnifies as the range increases. The realistic operational effective range of an AR-15 is more like 200-300 meters.
An AKM similarly has a theoretical maximum effective range of 400 meters or so. It uses a heavier, slower 123 grain bullet, so it suffers in comparison to greater bullet drop, but is superior in barrier penetration. In reality, the operational effective range is more like 200 meters.
Neither is well-suited for anything beyond medium range. Both are essentially CQB weapons that take the place of carbines and submachine guns in the modern era. Where the AR-15 excels over the AKM are: light weight (gun AND ammo), ergonomics (the AKM is very front heavy), and the ability to mount optics* properly, and superior triggers and high quality (read consistent) ammo availability for the platform/cartridge.
*The traditional AKM has a dustcover over the frame, which is an unsuitable place to mount an optic securely. Various solutions have been dreamed up – including by the Soviets with a side mount – but all are deficient and unsatisfactory in one way or another.
I thank you for that. Your comment answers one in opposition to mine. I introduced the fundamentals of breathing in marksmanship into this thread but don't have the stomach for arguing. I originally supposed that the shooter's ability to take an accurate shot had been disrupted by the municipal cop at roof's edge. Apparently the confrontation may never have happened but as you state, a shooter's fundamentals apply no matter the circumstance or equipment.
As I mention somewhere back there, breathing and other fundamentals are crucial, even if academic and taken for granted by an experienced shooter. I haven't seen, here or anywhere else, conjecture as to the shooter's skills but I believe Mr. Trump was fortunate in that they weren't highly developed.
"... try running a few sprints and shooting immediately... to see how much breathing matters."
I said essentially the same without impressing. I don't need the validation but it's nice.Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
One advantage of the M193 is that with the old standard length Vietnam-era 20″ M16a1 barrel, you have some AP capability at close range on AR500 Level3+ plates. Get the most out of that 5.56 ammo and get a 20″ top.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/qFw2Jfft15o
“I don’t know where you learned to shoot firearms, but shooting ANY and ALL firearms accurately and consistently requires a proper breathing technique. Not only does proper breathing maintain consistent sight picture, it also allows you to press the trigger smoothly into and through ” ‘the wall’ “.
I thank you for that. Your comment answers one in opposition to mine. I introduced the fundamentals of breathing in marksmanship into this thread but don’t have the stomach for arguing. I originally supposed that the shooter’s ability to take an accurate shot had been disrupted by the municipal cop at roof’s edge. Apparently the confrontation may never have happened but as you state, a shooter’s fundamentals apply no matter the circumstance or equipment.
As I mention somewhere back there, breathing and other fundamentals are crucial, even if academic and taken for granted by an experienced shooter. I haven’t seen, here or anywhere else, conjecture as to the shooter’s skills but I believe Mr. Trump was fortunate in that they weren’t highly developed.
“… try running a few sprints and shooting immediately… to see how much breathing matters.”
I said essentially the same without impressing. I don’t need the validation but it’s nice.
But then, correct breathing in life is pretty much near 100% of everything that human beings do.
One thing.
"I originally supposed that the shooter’s ability to take an accurate shot had been disrupted by the municipal cop at roof’s edge. Apparently the confrontation may never have happened"
I do still hold to this theory, namely based on the eyewitness whom the BBC interviewed at the scene. He said he saw the cop go up the roof, the shooter came over to him, which caused the cop to descend the ladder. Had the local cop had an opportunity to fire at the shooter, who knows? Instead he descended the ladder, which allowed the shooter to attempt to kill Trump, and he ended up killing a few people.
From ABC news (https://abcnews.go.com/US/trump-rally-gunman-thomas-matthew-crooks-shooting/story?id=112027831)
"In an unclassified briefing Wednesday, law enforcement officials said 20 minutes passed between when Secret Service snipers first spotted Crooks on the roof and when he opened fire on Trump. He was identified as a person of interest 62 minutes before the shooting, they said.
"A Butler Township police officer attempted to stop the shooter, climbing up the roof to approach him, but Crooks pointed his gun at the officer, prompting the officer to retreat, according to Butler County Sheriff Michael T. Slupe.
"It was at this point that Crooks began firing his weapon toward Trump, who at that moment turned to look at a Jumbotron, possibly saving his life."Replies: @Old Virginia
I thank you for that. Your comment answers one in opposition to mine. I introduced the fundamentals of breathing in marksmanship into this thread but don't have the stomach for arguing. I originally supposed that the shooter's ability to take an accurate shot had been disrupted by the municipal cop at roof's edge. Apparently the confrontation may never have happened but as you state, a shooter's fundamentals apply no matter the circumstance or equipment.
As I mention somewhere back there, breathing and other fundamentals are crucial, even if academic and taken for granted by an experienced shooter. I haven't seen, here or anywhere else, conjecture as to the shooter's skills but I believe Mr. Trump was fortunate in that they weren't highly developed.
"... try running a few sprints and shooting immediately... to see how much breathing matters."
I said essentially the same without impressing. I don't need the validation but it's nice.Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
I tell you, I really learn a lot here all the time. Correct breathing when shooting, who would’ve thunk it before?
But then, correct breathing in life is pretty much near 100% of everything that human beings do.
One thing.
“I originally supposed that the shooter’s ability to take an accurate shot had been disrupted by the municipal cop at roof’s edge. Apparently the confrontation may never have happened”
I do still hold to this theory, namely based on the eyewitness whom the BBC interviewed at the scene. He said he saw the cop go up the roof, the shooter came over to him, which caused the cop to descend the ladder. Had the local cop had an opportunity to fire at the shooter, who knows? Instead he descended the ladder, which allowed the shooter to attempt to kill Trump, and he ended up killing a few people.
From ABC news (https://abcnews.go.com/US/trump-rally-gunman-thomas-matthew-crooks-shooting/story?id=112027831)
“In an unclassified briefing Wednesday, law enforcement officials said 20 minutes passed between when Secret Service snipers first spotted Crooks on the roof and when he opened fire on Trump. He was identified as a person of interest 62 minutes before the shooting, they said.
“A Butler Township police officer attempted to stop the shooter, climbing up the roof to approach him, but Crooks pointed his gun at the officer, prompting the officer to retreat, according to Butler County Sheriff Michael T. Slupe.
“It was at this point that Crooks began firing his weapon toward Trump, who at that moment turned to look at a Jumbotron, possibly saving his life.”
I originally mentioned the fundamentals of shooting knowing how the encounter certainly compromised any skills the boy had. I'm not impressed even with the first evident shot. Even if Mr. Trump doesn't turn his head, as indicated by imagery, the shot misses center mass although the wound probably would be mortal. As tragic as it was, as catastrophic as it could have been, a good recreational shooter should make that shot.
My experience in taking life is limited to the deer stand. Unpredictable as they are, deer aren't as likely to offer a static target. The adrenaline at first sight most compromises the one chance at a good shot, same as the boy on the roof. The difference is the cause of his stress was behind him, not the target in front of him.
Harder to know is how the shooter got there in the first place. No opinion, here. I'll wait and see.Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
But then, correct breathing in life is pretty much near 100% of everything that human beings do.
One thing.
"I originally supposed that the shooter’s ability to take an accurate shot had been disrupted by the municipal cop at roof’s edge. Apparently the confrontation may never have happened"
I do still hold to this theory, namely based on the eyewitness whom the BBC interviewed at the scene. He said he saw the cop go up the roof, the shooter came over to him, which caused the cop to descend the ladder. Had the local cop had an opportunity to fire at the shooter, who knows? Instead he descended the ladder, which allowed the shooter to attempt to kill Trump, and he ended up killing a few people.
From ABC news (https://abcnews.go.com/US/trump-rally-gunman-thomas-matthew-crooks-shooting/story?id=112027831)
"In an unclassified briefing Wednesday, law enforcement officials said 20 minutes passed between when Secret Service snipers first spotted Crooks on the roof and when he opened fire on Trump. He was identified as a person of interest 62 minutes before the shooting, they said.
"A Butler Township police officer attempted to stop the shooter, climbing up the roof to approach him, but Crooks pointed his gun at the officer, prompting the officer to retreat, according to Butler County Sheriff Michael T. Slupe.
"It was at this point that Crooks began firing his weapon toward Trump, who at that moment turned to look at a Jumbotron, possibly saving his life."Replies: @Old Virginia
Yes, I read, soon after writing my previous, an account from the local cop’s boss who described the encounter with the shooter. The link you supply looks like the same account. My opinion is – still – that the cop is nearly a hero, whether he retreated or fell from the roof.
I originally mentioned the fundamentals of shooting knowing how the encounter certainly compromised any skills the boy had. I’m not impressed even with the first evident shot. Even if Mr. Trump doesn’t turn his head, as indicated by imagery, the shot misses center mass although the wound probably would be mortal. As tragic as it was, as catastrophic as it could have been, a good recreational shooter should make that shot.
My experience in taking life is limited to the deer stand. Unpredictable as they are, deer aren’t as likely to offer a static target. The adrenaline at first sight most compromises the one chance at a good shot, same as the boy on the roof. The difference is the cause of his stress was behind him, not the target in front of him.
Harder to know is how the shooter got there in the first place. No opinion, here. I’ll wait and see.
I originally mentioned the fundamentals of shooting knowing how the encounter certainly compromised any skills the boy had. I'm not impressed even with the first evident shot. Even if Mr. Trump doesn't turn his head, as indicated by imagery, the shot misses center mass although the wound probably would be mortal. As tragic as it was, as catastrophic as it could have been, a good recreational shooter should make that shot.
My experience in taking life is limited to the deer stand. Unpredictable as they are, deer aren't as likely to offer a static target. The adrenaline at first sight most compromises the one chance at a good shot, same as the boy on the roof. The difference is the cause of his stress was behind him, not the target in front of him.
Harder to know is how the shooter got there in the first place. No opinion, here. I'll wait and see.Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
In no small part, the shooter reached the rooftop unhindered because the Secret Service screwed up, big time. They did not do their due diligence and offer the best security possible. Secure ALL roof tops, buildings in the areas. Eyewitnesses clearly saw the shooter climbing the roof to the top of the building for several minutes, motioned and attempted to get local police to do something about it….and they basically ignored the eyewitnesses for several precious minutes. Granted, the local cops do deserve the blame for not listening to the eyewitnesses sooner, but ultimately, the blame lies squarely on the shoulders of the SS. If they were on the rooftop, the shooter wouldn’t have had a clear view to attempt to carry out the assassination.
Less than 160 yards away. Trump clearly dodged a bullet, literally.
No one will ever convince me that Donald Trump did not survive a major assassination attempt, period. And that the SS didn’t screw up big time. Period. The main blame doesn’t go to the local cops–the blame goes directly on the SS. That’s their job and they screwed up, big time.
The SS would appear to need a major overall, whether due to incompetence, DEI quotas, or who knows what.
It’s hard to believe simple incompetence, isn’t it?
Curious string of events, isn’t it?
Boxes of ballots showing up at key precincts overnight, election night Nov. 2020; Dem. leaders refusing security offered by President Trump, 01/06/21; Jan. 6 Committee denying Republican representation and exculpatory evidence; continued, unprecedented law fare over multiple jurisdictions; attempts to deny Trump ballot access; allowing an assassination attempt, only then followed by resignation of the other party’s candidate who’s shown he’s to weak to win.
I offer no apologies or qualifiers – I’m voting for Trump. Among the reasons, he’s a badass and he’s funny as hell.
Trump will get 90,000,000 votes. I’ll bet good money, come noon, Jan. 20, 2025, Trump won’t be president.
I’ve replied, as often, failing to use “reply”.