From my column in Taki’s Magazine:
Suicide Watch
June 26, 2024
Something unexpected has been going on with suicide rates over the past half decade.First, though, some background: It is widely assumed by many people who don’t pay close attention to social science statistics that because African-American life is, as we are so often told, unbearably tragic, the rate at which blacks kill themselves to escape the crushing burden of systemic racism must be very high.
In reality, a basic finding of American social science determined that, among younger people under age 45, while American Indians have horribly high suicide rates and whites, despite all their white privilege, have bad levels, blacks, although they suffer extraordinarily high rates of dying at the hands of one another, have relatively low rates of dying by their own hand.
For most of the 21st century, the black suicide rate was about half the white rate (among people under 45, whom I will concentrate upon in this column).
Understanding that helps explain things like Sailer’s Law of Mass Shootings, which states that if there are more dead than wounded in a mass shooting, the shooter is likely to be nonblack (he stuck around to finish off the wounded because he’d already resolved he was never coming home); but if there are more wounded than dead, the shooter is likely to be black (because the gunman doesn’t hang around because he’s shooting to kill somebody he’s mad at, not to get killed himself).
But the low black suicide rate seems to be changing over the past decade.
Read the whole thing there.
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I can immediately think of a lot of white celebrities who killed themselves. Yet I can’t think of any blacks.
https://ia801806.us.archive.org/10/items/new-york-world-building/ny_world_building.jpgThough Wall Street's Munson Building from which George Cutler leapt in October 1929 is also impressive:
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Cold Spring Harbor IQ-heritability researcher Barbara Stoddard Burks jumped from the George Washington Bridge in 1943, age 40. Her husband had died five years into their marriage, and she left no heritability herself.Replies: @prosa123
I wonder what is the prevalence of people who commit suicide being on SSRIs and other psychoactive drugs. A common side effect of these drugs is often “suicidal ideations” and they seem to be handed out like candy and prescribed long term despite evidence that they are not effective in alleviating depression over long-term use.
The Asian rate is much lower than I had expected. I recall the Japanese being big on suicide, especially after failing in an important endeavor. Curious what they use hari kari knives for now.
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I’ve been reading Steve’s new Substack and I’ve Noticed something interesting: there are links to his work in Taki’s, but so far I have seen no links to anything in Unz, or any mention of Unz at all for that matter (except in the comments*).
I can’t say I disapprove. While I am dismayed that Steve is threatening to paywall a lot of his new work, which I worry will reduce his impact (other Substack writers have been able to make good money while keeping most of their stuff free), Unz has become a cesspool, and I’ve been hoping for a long time that Steve would distance himself from it. Nevertheless, a lot of his best work is available only on Unz. In contrast, John Derbyshire has his own personal web site where he archives everything he has ever written, so he can always link to it there. Steve, I know setting something like that up would be a lot of work, but there would also be a lot of benefit, so it’s something you should at least think about.
*The one thing I will miss about Unz is the commenting system; best I have ever seen, by far.
Unfortunately it frequently doesn’t work. It easily loses the chain of unread comments, making it useless if there are a lot of unread comments.
It does this constantly on my iPhone, hardly an unusual platform.
A couple of days ago there was an entire column I couldn’t access at all: I kept getting connection errors. I wasn’t the only who had this problem.
The Substack commenting is less sophisticated but it works.Replies: @EdwardM
I wonder why Asians have the lowest suicide rates. After all, they are apparently the Loneliest Americans:
https://books.google.ca/books/about/The_Loneliest_Americans.html?id=wO-NEAAAQBAJ&source=kp_book_description&redir_esc=y
One long term–but obvious–driver is that as “diversity is our greatest strength” minoritarians deconstruct America, especially with their immigration zealotry, the “diverse”–i.e. balkanized and unpleasant–result leaves more and more people unhappy and adrift. The immigration attack on “affordable family formation” is certainly leaving more and more people in the “single and unhappy” suicide demo.
One short term–but obvious–driver is social media letting everyone spout off on their grievances with everyone else and letting everyone see how they and their sad pathetic life just doesn’t measure up with all the beautiful people out there.
“But the low black suicide rate seems to be changing over the past decade.”
It appears to be going up, and without reading the rest of the article (F Taki’s daughter) I’m going to speculate that this is due at least in part to negroe’s slowly losing their longtime hold at the top of the sacred victim totem pole.
It’s just not worth living if you can’t sit atop the mountain of victimhood.
A terrific anti-drug, public campaign could be based around the most famous 21st century OD of all–St. George.
Pictures of St. George grabbing up (and eating) his little baggies of pills. St. George freaking out, kicking and thrashing in the squad car. St. George lying dead on the street.
Then an AI generated St. George saying “Don’t end up like me. Say no to drugs.”
OTOH, people who genuinely admire George Floyd probably would be doing the rest of us a favor by overdosing, so on second thought...Replies: @Barnard
You degrade yourself by publishing here. You destroy the credibility of your important work, too.
Steve’s started a substack, although there it’s not free. But I find that sites that charge have a higher quality of commenter.
https://www.stevesailer.net/
The Unz site also permits completely anonymous commenting and a lot of them are low quality.
I hate to be a political determinist, but it sure looks like the Trumpening had an effect.
Asians realized that Trump wasn’t so bad as the authorities had been telling them. Lower IQ populations still under the spell though.
…to state it in another way. And the umpteenth evidence that the Great Awokening is bad for everyone.
Did Trump (and Kentucky rednecks) read Case and Deaton? Or did white America organically discover that Big Pharma doesn’t have its interests at heart? Or maybe the most vulnerable whites had mostly already been exterminated by 2016? And in any case, “slowing down” may be a euphemism for “settling into a new high plateau”.
It’s getting white lives ended at a pretty remarkable rate too.
Wokeness is all about categorizing people and assigning them moral worth depending on the boxes they are associated with for its own sake, and the only people with a sense of purpose in all of it are those who feel they have the whip hand. The early deaths of white have often been termed 'deaths of despair' and I think that is accurate insofar as you are talking about a group of people that once felt valued regardless of economic or social standing and are definitely not now - and that is particularly harsh for those with the least social capital and opportunity in the first place and see no real way forward. This probably is at least partly true for Native Americans, people who have a sense of pride and something lost. I don't think this is as true for blacks, Asians, or Latinos since they either never really had significant power, presence or cultural influence in the US to lose in the first place. Frankly I think most Asians and Latinos still look at life here as one with a lot of potential upside.
One could argue that blacks are about as powerful as they have ever been...but as I have stated repeatedly, it is my belief that they have already hit their apogee and the next 20 years will see a major erosion of that. How they react to that will be interesting and no doubt costly to society.Replies: @AndrewR, @William Badwhite
Pictures of St. George grabbing up (and eating) his little baggies of pills. St. George freaking out, kicking and thrashing in the squad car. St. George lying dead on the street.
Then an AI generated St. George saying "Don't end up like me. Say no to drugs."Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Jenner Ickham Errican
I dunno, man. In a gold coffin and globally revered isn’t such a bad way to go.
OTOH, people who genuinely admire George Floyd probably would be doing the rest of us a favor by overdosing, so on second thought…
Good to see that the white rate seems to have at least leveled off–sadly at the new elevated level. Was worry that the genocidal creeps in charge were more and more successfully dispiriting whites and we would see this rate just continue oozing up.
Hopefully more whites are finding their own coherent communities–e.g. Christian–where they find some sense of community outside of the rude balkanized marketplace America.
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Kids–i.e. the under 15s, do not commit suicide in any significant number. So these count are almost all 15-45.
While I’ve looked at CDC data/reports, I haven’t used this wonder database. Does anyone happen to know if these numbers are really 15-45 or the like or really all “under 45”. If simply all “under 45” then the real numbers are about 50% greater, though the relative racial graphs would not change all that much.
The idea that those new forms of opioids were non-addictive wasn’t entirely made up. From my review of Dreamland:
Something Dreamland unfortunately didn’t discuss much is fentanyl, which is typically mixed in with drugs like heroin or cocaine and is responsible for most of the opioid deaths now. There was never a comparable number of people overdosing as a result of starting pills non-recreationally.
*I didn’t realize at the time I read it how much data is at odds with the narrative of the book.
Can you look at the black suicide upsurge by sex?
My uninformed, off the wall, conspiracy theory is that a lot of the recent ills of the black community, including increased suicide, are related to marijuana usage at a young age. My own personal experience is that just about every young black male I’ve encountered in a work environment (store, fast food, etc.) looks and acts stoned. This is a new thing. Marijuana usage at a young age can cause permanent damage in brain functioning.
The same decrease in inhibitions that causes black males to pull out guns in stupid situations may cause them to point the guns at themselves. Marijuana usage (and increased potency) may play a role in this behavior.
The low rates among ‘Asians’ are interesting inasmuch as certain Oriental countries have high suicide rates (e.g. Japan).
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It’s been my impression that suicide rates don’t vary much over time but that the propensity to commit suicide does vary by birth cohort, so that over time the population of suicides varies in its age distribution as the high-propensity cohorts travel through the life cycle. Has there been a corresponding decline in the suicide rate among blacks over 45?
There seems to be an implicit assumption by many in the HBD sphere that national stewardship doesn’t matter: that people/groups/races/nations are constitutionally a certain way – shooty/suicide-y, druggy/clean, productive/lazy, academic/blue-collar, studious/dumb, etc.
In this mode of thinking it doesn’t really matter what kind of parents one has or what kind of leadership one’s nation has, or what this leadership’s priorities are: whether it be to reinvest in their own people and maximize their opportunities; or whether this leadership is, instead, more focused on matters in foreign nations thousands of miles away – or on the well-being of “immigrants” and parasitic and antisocial minority groups.
In this mode of thinking it doesn’t really matter whether you nation has competent and accountable elites who manifest noblesse oblige, or whether they are, instead, spiteful alien elites who evince only noblesse contempt for their subject’s core national demographic. In this line of thinking, this core demographic, no matter how neglected or exploited, should be able to “pull themselves up by their bootstraps.”
According to this primitive HBD thinking (if I may strawman a more extreme form of it) it doesn’t really matter what kind of parents you have – or whether you even have parents at all. Your fate will be determined by your genetics regardless of whether you’re raised in a meth house or by Stanford professors.
This HBD mode of thinking also extends to national stewardship. In the HBDer’s mind, it doesn’t matter if your nation’s leadership has been bribed, blackmailed and extorted into spending all of its time and energy concerning itself with the well-being of some small distant parasitic nation in the Middle East – or duped into offshoring its industry (and the source of the majority of well-paying middle class jobs) in order to further enrich a small domestic financial elite.
Any failures of the neglected native core demographic are their “own fault” – just as the failures of the kid who’s raised by drug addicted parents have only “themselves” (or their “faulty genetics”) to blame. The quality of their upbringing/leadership and the investments that this leadership makes in their children/subjects is irrelevant.
(But then, anecdotally speaking, how did Tucker Carlson’s father, who was adopted by upper-middle-class New Englanders, became so successful?)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tucker_Carlson
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Carlson
The problem with America and, particularly, with its founding core white Christian demographic, is that this demographic has been subjected to decades of exploitation, parasitism and neglect. It is being sucked dry by a “diversity” and “equity” agenda which serves only to benefit (1) blacks (2) immigrants and (3) Israel, Jewry and the Jewish mafia.
Of course, it should be noted that what describes the disparities between whites and blacks may be totally different than what explains the disparities between Dalit and Brahmin, or Christian and Jew, or Anglo and Norman.
Black/white disparities may be entirely genetic in origin – and the HBDers completely correct in strong HBDist explanation – while the disparities between Dalits/Brahmins, Christians/Jews and Anglos/Normans could all be entirely a consequence of oppression, caste privileges, tribalism and dual-ethics vs. universalistic ethical codes.
I really like it when you get analytical. It’s not just hardcore stats tests, but some curiousity you have about factors and the like. E.g. Affordable Family Formation and the issues with limited expanse cities was brilliant.
All that said, I feel like this thing is sort of exploratory and there is no magic aha. Still worth exploration, but just no obvious trend/cause. You’re on firmer grounds with the traffic deaths stuff or black on black homicides.
Suicide-by-cop becoming more of a common thing? Perhaps add-in justified police killings?
Pictures of St. George grabbing up (and eating) his little baggies of pills. St. George freaking out, kicking and thrashing in the squad car. St. George lying dead on the street.
Then an AI generated St. George saying "Don't end up like me. Say no to drugs."Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Jenner Ickham Errican
Hol’ up, AD. Are you saying you don’t want increasing amounts of the George Floyd demographic to OD?
Instead, maybe we should ban Narcan. Anti-Narcan Ad Council copy, in partnership with the rebooted Folger Shakespeare Library:
They both wanted a "Ban Narcan" bumper sticker for their ambulance. One stated that reviving the same people overdosing over and over again was ridiculous.
If one really wants to be a true libertarian, then one has to accept all of the overdoses and suicides. In reality, what the U.S. would be doing is denying public funds to any drug treatment therapy since all the drug treatment does is lower the negative impact of taking drugs whereas a true libertarian would want to user to experience all of the downsides in the harshest form.
There’s an ex-cop that does the Black and Right radio show on Saturdays for WIND-AM, John Anthony.
https://560theanswer.com/all/black-and-right
His son committed suicide a couple of years back.
He said at some point while subbing for Dan Proft on his program with Amy Jacobson, he almost shot himself.
He only lived because the gun he was using wasn’t his normal duty gun, but a Kimber M1911 he had just purchased. A firearm that has a grip safety.
So if he used his Glock, he’d be dead in that it only has a trigger safety.
*I didn't realize at the time I read it how much data is at odds with the narrative of the book.Replies: @Ripple Earthdevil, @Bragadocious, @Redneck Farmer
Massive paragraphs such as you posted in your Dreamland review are very difficult to read.
Not quite…Sailer’s Law is quite correct, but the reason is that blacks usually have no training and can’t shoot accurately, so they spray and pray…As Lynn pointed out, accurate shooting is a very g related skill….
And of course, due to widespread feminism/whoredom/the lack of marriageable women, the suicide rate for whites will continue to climb as millennials age out of their youth and have no children/families to make their life worth living. No turning back at this point.
OTOH, people who genuinely admire George Floyd probably would be doing the rest of us a favor by overdosing, so on second thought...Replies: @Barnard
Yes, what was Floyd’s life expectancy if he didn’t go out that way? Even if he avoided street violence other bad habits besides drug use would have likely would have ended his life within ten years.
I don't expect Mr. Sailer to say this crass thing out loud. But don't blame me, blame HbD.
The Great Awokening is bad for everyone because it (by design) increases social friction. Whether you are talking about a company, community, or nation people get along better despite their differences in status and income if they feel they are working towards something together. If all you do is highlight that Group A is a member of a different tribe than Group B and one deserves the stuff/status of the other, you get conflict. Our culture is incredibly fractured and atomized at the present with no real national goal or challenge to bring people together.
Wokeness is all about categorizing people and assigning them moral worth depending on the boxes they are associated with for its own sake, and the only people with a sense of purpose in all of it are those who feel they have the whip hand. The early deaths of white have often been termed ‘deaths of despair’ and I think that is accurate insofar as you are talking about a group of people that once felt valued regardless of economic or social standing and are definitely not now – and that is particularly harsh for those with the least social capital and opportunity in the first place and see no real way forward. This probably is at least partly true for Native Americans, people who have a sense of pride and something lost. I don’t think this is as true for blacks, Asians, or Latinos since they either never really had significant power, presence or cultural influence in the US to lose in the first place. Frankly I think most Asians and Latinos still look at life here as one with a lot of potential upside.
One could argue that blacks are about as powerful as they have ever been…but as I have stated repeatedly, it is my belief that they have already hit their apogee and the next 20 years will see a major erosion of that. How they react to that will be interesting and no doubt costly to society.
Btw Sailer congrats on the Tucker interview. We are so back!Replies: @Art Deco
what’s the suicide rate of trans-gentiles?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GOUvM0rbEAArTXj?format=jpg&name=small
Less than 0.01 percent.
On a more important note, the mental illness rate for someone like yourself who are smitten with deranged social media personalities like the one you linked to is about 95 percent. I mean, this is what they and you maniacally propose—Ban Zionism. Remove Zionist rights entirely. Institutionalize Jewish people. Remove Zionism from RW twitter.
I know I’m communicating with someone like yourself who is unbalanced, but in a moment of clarity, I’m hopeful you will seek professional help. It’s called Jewish Obsession Syndrome.Replies: @Mike Conrad, @Anonymous, @anon
Lockdowns, societal collapse, prescription drugs, social media. In that order.
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OT — Follow up to the CNN rumor I helped spread — the Supreme Court has ruled that government censorship is legal. The government that lied to you about covid and IX/XI can legally force social media companies to remove “misinformation.” The government legally gets to define “misinformation.” The first amendment is not a recourse here.
Amerindians also tend to have a bad profile being below avg IQ, introverted tendencies and looking Asian, seems the most typical profile East Asian suicidal males, based on studies about suicidality and IQ.
sad.
Wokeness is all about categorizing people and assigning them moral worth depending on the boxes they are associated with for its own sake, and the only people with a sense of purpose in all of it are those who feel they have the whip hand. The early deaths of white have often been termed 'deaths of despair' and I think that is accurate insofar as you are talking about a group of people that once felt valued regardless of economic or social standing and are definitely not now - and that is particularly harsh for those with the least social capital and opportunity in the first place and see no real way forward. This probably is at least partly true for Native Americans, people who have a sense of pride and something lost. I don't think this is as true for blacks, Asians, or Latinos since they either never really had significant power, presence or cultural influence in the US to lose in the first place. Frankly I think most Asians and Latinos still look at life here as one with a lot of potential upside.
One could argue that blacks are about as powerful as they have ever been...but as I have stated repeatedly, it is my belief that they have already hit their apogee and the next 20 years will see a major erosion of that. How they react to that will be interesting and no doubt costly to society.Replies: @AndrewR, @William Badwhite
Blacks obviously have the whip hand now, unless their targets are Jews.
Btw Sailer congrats on the Tucker interview. We are so back!
Every professional development session I have attended has told me that black students suffer from low self-esteem due to systemic racism by their white teachers. However, I can unequivocally say that none of my black students have ever demonstrated low self-esteem in my presence. In fact, I would say they tend to have high self-esteem vis-a-vis their actual academic ability level.
One can leave a widow, but it takes two to leave a orphan.
Wouldn’t they be hillbillies? Is this eastern or western Kentucky?
No, it doesn't.
"With malice toward none, with charity for all, with firmness in the right as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the work we are in, to bind up the nation's wounds, to care for him who shall have borne the battle and for his widow and his orphan...."
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/orphan
Breakdown of family/patriarchy and attacks on masculinity is also in there.
Mom frivorces dad/doesn’t marry him —> boys grow up without father —> no positive male role model + no one to hit you when you do stupid shit —> society tells you if you have a penis you are evil and you need to be weak —->try drugs to numb the pain of loss and/or act ridiculously risky to validate self—> deaths come by accidental overdoses (lower T men) + accidental deaths from shootings/fights/risk taking (higher T)
OT — Who’s got plans for July 4th?
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It's been my impression that suicide rates don't vary much over time but that the propensity to commit suicide does vary by birth cohort, so that over time the population of suicides varies in its age distribution as the high-propensity cohorts travel through the life cycle. Has there been a corresponding decline in the suicide rate among blacks over 45?Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
Japan has a lower suicide rate than America. About the same as so-called “world’s most happy” countries like Sweden.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/suicide-rate-by-country
In fact has trended down, and should be considered a success story of societal prevention.
In Japan you don’t get sent to jail for questioning the “Rape of Nanking”. And they don’t teach their kids to hate themselves for it.
That’s a healthy societal attitude.
Its' been noted that Christianity has a propensity for guilt. Now that god is dead, the guilt lives on and Western, post- Christian based cultures are now suffering from pathological altruism. It certainly wasn't a fault during the age of exploration but we see it now. Is there an equivalent anywhere else in the world?Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
OT — Imagine what would happen if working class people supported local businesses by being able to afford eating out more often. It’s the kind of thing Hitler would want.
I'd also like to know their names, so this quote is in front of their bosses when their salary is up for review. Heck, I'm sure we can find some young hungry immigrant economists who can pump out the required globo-parasite friendly "economics" for less!
Not to be *that* guy but we likely have a strong divergence between the 30% of blacks, who seem to have complete Dunning-Kruger beliefs about themselves (including as to violence) and the bottom 70% who live in depressed fear of the top 70% and are essentially bait dogs/followers of the violent 30%.
Certainly the bottom 70% can be ginned up into large-scale violence, but most of the time they keep their heads down unless drugs/alcohol gives them some liquid courage.
Honor based culture versus guilt based?
Its’ been noted that Christianity has a propensity for guilt. Now that god is dead, the guilt lives on and Western, post- Christian based cultures are now suffering from pathological altruism. It certainly wasn’t a fault during the age of exploration but we see it now. Is there an equivalent anywhere else in the world?
“Whitefeather” isn’t a white people’s name!
Farmers, fishers, and foresters have the highest suicide rates of all professions. At first this seems surprising, but when you think about it, you see that the commonality is that they are isolated – – out there all day working alone. Blacks, by contrast, are very sociable. In fact, oftentimes having nothing else to do all day but hang out with their buddies; that is their profession. So it follows they would have a low suicide rate.
The connection between fishing and mental health is interesting to me, because I have asked a couple of shrinks over the years if they have had many patients whose hobby is fishing, and they tell me no, they cannot think of anyone. So I guess the takeaway is that if you fish as a hobby, this is very good for your mental health, but if you fish as a profession, the opposite is the case.
The place wasn’t as bad when he started here.
Steve’s started a substack, although there it’s not free. But I find that sites that charge have a higher quality of commenter.
https://www.stevesailer.net/
The Unz site also permits completely anonymous commenting and a lot of them are low quality.
There’s a number of videos out there of people being revived by Narcan, and flying into a rage that their drug induced high has been interrupted. Safer to take a hands off approach. Damned if you do and damned if you don’t.
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OT -- Follow up to the CNN rumor I helped spread -- the Supreme Court has ruled that government censorship is legal. The government that lied to you about covid and IX/XI can legally force social media companies to remove "misinformation." The government legally gets to define "misinformation." The first amendment is not a recourse here.Replies: @Jim Don Bob
Not exactly. They said that the people suing had no standing to bring their suit, which is probably a distinction without a difference. And, surprise, surprise, the noted conservatives Kavanaugh and Amy Barret voted with the libs.
Dave Duerson, former SB winning safety with the Chicago Bears, killed himself a few years back after being diagnosed with CTE (and also going bankrupt.)
So perhaps if white people are stupid enough to take potent illegal drugs and die from an overdose, then it is not a good thing to cull the herd? I mean, from an HbD perspective, why get all bent out of shape if a white teen or a white old lady from the sticks die from a meth overdose? Isn’t the white gene pool better off overall? It’s eugenics, right?
I don’t expect Mr. Sailer to say this crass thing out loud. But don’t blame me, blame HbD.
6,166 drug overdose deaths in the European Union in 2021. See below.
https://www.emcdda.europa.eu/publications/european-drug-report/2023/drug-induced-deaths_en
107,622 drug overdose deaths in the United States during 2021. See below.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/nchs_press_releases/2022/202205.htm#:~:text=For%20Immediate%20Release%3A%20May%2011%2C%202022&text=Provisional%20data%20from%20CDC’s%20National,93%2C655%20deaths%20estimated%20in%202020.
EU population = 443.2 million
USA population = 331.9 million
If you do the math, an American is 23.3x more likely to die of a drug overdose than a European.
Utterly amazing.
Then imagine all the second order effects.
No wonder the EU has a higher life expectancy and better social indicators than the USA.
Most of this can be attributed to the different patterns of drug consumption & overdoses. Secondarily, the divergence in obesity rates.
Open borders (Mexican Heroin + Chinese Fentanyl) + hyper capitalism (Sacklers pushing Oxycontin)
have a high cost.
By the way, look at this chart.
“Suicide-by-cop becoming more of a common thing?”
Why kill yourself outright when fentanyl can (in the paraphrased words of Greg Cochran) make you feel so good you forget about having to breathe? And it’s getting to the point where that stuff’s cheaper than buying a bullet and far less hassle than threatening to kill a cop.
Maybe they should start lumping in opioid deaths with suicide.
Excellent comment Hannah!
Bro according to data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, suicide is the 10th leading cause of death in the United States. When broken down by race, suicide is the first leading cause of death among Japanese American young adults age 15-24. This is true of no other racial group in this age range in America.
Despite this disparity, very little attention is paid by society and by gatekeeping institutions like academe and private and public funding agencies as to what causes suicidal behavior among racial minorities like Japanese Americans. There is not enough research on how to prevent suicide among Japanese Americans in particular. What makes this research more challenging to do is that Japanese Americans are also the least likely racial group to seek and utilize mental health services.
I am a doctoral candidate studying public health, with a focus on minority mental health disparities research. Here’s what I think is important to know about how violence, suicide and disparities all connect to affect Japanese lives.
When an Japanese American death occurs by suicide, it is not simply because that person experienced risk factors. Sure, the evidence suggests that the risk of a suicide attempt increases if there are easily accessible means such as guns in the home or if the person knows someone who died by suicide. But is that the full picture for Japanese Americans.
The truth is, the people who study suicide are still trying to come up with a profile of who is “at risk” in order to precisely predict, and ultimately prevent, suicidal behavior and death. Today, many research dollars go into the development of computer algorithms and genetic biomarkers to precisely calculate who is at risk. Will these methods do justice to the racialized experience of being Japanese in the U.S.?
Only one national study targeting japanese mental health exits.
So the question now becomes: How can research scientists better understand and develop suicide prevention efforts that precisely address racial minorities like Japanese.
In my view, suicide among Japanese is a seriously unaddressed problem that could become endemic in a rapidly shrinking community with little to no direction on how to stop it.
Never exclude the hypothesis of self selection. Seems suicidal rates tend to be lower among immigrants if compared with their respective natives, like immigrants from Eastern Europe living in places like Canada and USA. Also, a honor/SHAME cultures tend to be more critical to non conformity and “disappointing” expectations than guilty cultures, even thought suicide rates in most of shame cultures like muslim ones tend to be quite lower.
but it takes two to leave a orphan.
No, it doesn’t.
“With malice toward none, with charity for all, with firmness in the right as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the work we are in, to bind up the nation’s wounds, to care for him who shall have borne the battle and for his widow and his orphan….”
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/orphan
https://i.postimg.cc/QC5W2rJh/1719418988679418.jpgReplies: @kaganovitch
The Met Gala? Really?
Talk about ‘magical negroes’ !
“what’s the suicide rate of trans-gentiles?”
Less than 0.01 percent.
On a more important note, the mental illness rate for someone like yourself who are smitten with deranged social media personalities like the one you linked to is about 95 percent. I mean, this is what they and you maniacally propose—Ban Zionism. Remove Zionist rights entirely. Institutionalize Jewish people. Remove Zionism from RW twitter.
I know I’m communicating with someone like yourself who is unbalanced, but in a moment of clarity, I’m hopeful you will seek professional help. It’s called Jewish Obsession Syndrome.
You have to understand that Mr. Sailer loves money. He has his fundraiser here several times a year to pay for things, like car bills and dog food. He’s hoping his book sales will enable him to renovate his closet. My vague impression is that he won’t move to Substack permanently. That would mean cutting off an important revenue stream.
Perhaps you would be willing to subsidize him. You know, be his benefactor.
So no reason he can’t do both.
Less than 0.01 percent.
On a more important note, the mental illness rate for someone like yourself who are smitten with deranged social media personalities like the one you linked to is about 95 percent. I mean, this is what they and you maniacally propose—Ban Zionism. Remove Zionist rights entirely. Institutionalize Jewish people. Remove Zionism from RW twitter.
I know I’m communicating with someone like yourself who is unbalanced, but in a moment of clarity, I’m hopeful you will seek professional help. It’s called Jewish Obsession Syndrome.Replies: @Mike Conrad, @Anonymous, @anon
But we’ve done that, silly! Why, there’s the Ivy League, there’s Hollywood, Wall Street, there’s Miami Beach, the Hamptons, Beverly Hills. There are the upper echelons of the federal government. What, boychik, you want I should go on?
Substack is easier to use: he doesn’t have to vet comments. It relies on other readers reporting bad comments (like someone selling something).
So no reason he can’t do both.
*I didn't realize at the time I read it how much data is at odds with the narrative of the book.Replies: @Ripple Earthdevil, @Bragadocious, @Redneck Farmer
Uh, what? Half of Dreamland is about fentanyl. The whole shebang–where it’s made, how it gets here, the mules who sell it in little balloons. What they think about their chosen profession. You sure you read it?
In 2022, there were 22.4 million Asian-Americans out of which 0.8 million are Japanese Americans. Hence, even if the suicide rate of Japanese Americans were similar to that of Japanese in Japan (it is not, most are third generation or so and hence have little contact with Japanese culture in Japan), it would be less than 4% of Asian-American statistic.
https://books.google.ca/books/about/The_Loneliest_Americans.html?id=wO-NEAAAQBAJ&source=kp_book_description&redir_esc=yReplies: @epebble
Strong families and economic stability may be some of the reasons.
“Yet, it turns out that in 1999 52 percent of suicides were carried out with a firearm compared with 50 percent in 2023. This doesn’t prove that the increasing prevalence of guns isn’t somewhat contributing to the growth in nonwhite suicides, ”
If there is a 2 % decrease: why are you talking about guns? The gov’t stats are bs.
Donny Hathaway in 1979. He jumped from a Manhattan balcony. He told colleague Roberta the white man was giving him flak.
Other blacks hitting Gotham pavement were South African activist Ned Nakasa, model Stephanie Adams, and rapper Capital Steez.
Others who went the same way were Anderson Cooper’s brother Carter (in front of their mother Gloria Vanderbilt), Bed Bath & Beyond CEO Gustavo Arnal, model (and Epstein protégé) Ruslana Korshunova, Mad Housewife Sue Kaufman, jazz singer (and first “baby boomer”) Susannah McCorkle, and minstrel Edwin Christy. All white.
Prize for Best Choice of Edifice From Which to Jump has to go to Pinkerton agent Pryce Lewis, and the New York World Building:
Though Wall Street’s Munson Building from which George Cutler leapt in October 1929 is also impressive:
Cold Spring Harbor IQ-heritability researcher Barbara Stoddard Burks jumped from the George Washington Bridge in 1943, age 40. Her husband had died five years into their marriage, and she left no heritability herself.
Nah. Just a 40% overlap. Kind of like that one between criminals and victims.
Certainly some of these are either coincidence (there are, after all, a lot of events, and plenty of military activity) or maybe misunderstanding, but the overall pattern is eminently noticeable.
In fact, when I read the news that some states that still practice death penalty are having difficulty getting drugs for lethal injection, I was wondering why this is even an issue when fentanyl can be procured in almost every zip code.
Less than 0.01 percent.
On a more important note, the mental illness rate for someone like yourself who are smitten with deranged social media personalities like the one you linked to is about 95 percent. I mean, this is what they and you maniacally propose—Ban Zionism. Remove Zionist rights entirely. Institutionalize Jewish people. Remove Zionism from RW twitter.
I know I’m communicating with someone like yourself who is unbalanced, but in a moment of clarity, I’m hopeful you will seek professional help. It’s called Jewish Obsession Syndrome.Replies: @Mike Conrad, @Anonymous, @anon
Do you wish to have Zionism continue?
Why do you hate freedom of association?
So there’s some sort of posting error with the next 4 (or 2) posts.
https://ia801806.us.archive.org/10/items/new-york-world-building/ny_world_building.jpgThough Wall Street's Munson Building from which George Cutler leapt in October 1929 is also impressive:
https://photos.zillowstatic.com/fp/abbfa233d2a5e7104e3c0ae5fa004939-se_extra_large_1500_800.jpg
Cold Spring Harbor IQ-heritability researcher Barbara Stoddard Burks jumped from the George Washington Bridge in 1943, age 40. Her husband had died five years into their marriage, and she left no heritability herself.Replies: @prosa123
Other blacks hitting Gotham pavement were … model Stephanie Adams
Who, unfortunately, threw her child out the same window before taking her swan dive.
Others who went the same way were … Bed Bath & Beyond CEO Gustavo Arnal
And not long afterward the company died too. Though it didn’t jump out of a window.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/04/business/bed-bath-beyond-gustavo-arnal-dead.html
Less than 0.01 percent.
On a more important note, the mental illness rate for someone like yourself who are smitten with deranged social media personalities like the one you linked to is about 95 percent. I mean, this is what they and you maniacally propose—Ban Zionism. Remove Zionist rights entirely. Institutionalize Jewish people. Remove Zionism from RW twitter.
I know I’m communicating with someone like yourself who is unbalanced, but in a moment of clarity, I’m hopeful you will seek professional help. It’s called Jewish Obsession Syndrome.Replies: @Mike Conrad, @Anonymous, @anon
no (((corvinus))). it’s called LYING. steve is a LIAR. he’s a psychopath just like you.
As a cynical lefty I used to know would say, “eugenics at work”.
“We have met the enemy and he is us.”
Definitions and usage actually varies. That’s not strictly true.
For example, there’s Lincoln’s Second Inaugural:
“… to bind up the nation’s wounds, to care for him who shall have borne the battle and for his widow and his orphan…”
And always remember:
“To lose one parent may be regarded as a misfortune; to lose both looks like carelessness.”
Oscar Wilde
Speaking of Philippine-Americans,
TILYIL that in 1967, while Roman Gabriel was tearing up the Coastal Division of the NFL, another member of that tribe was doing the same to the airwaves. I knew Larry Ramos was in the Association, but not that it was his lead vocal on "Windy".A head start on a long life might be to name your son Hilary. Immunologist Hilary Koprowski lived to 96, and illustrator Hilary Knight is still going at 97. But Hilario "Larry" Ramos only made it to 72. That might be long for a Flip, though.
(I should consult a doctor about this tendency toward manic digression...)
It sounds like the suicide of Gustavo Arnal of Bed, Bath and Beyond was related to the failing company.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/04/business/bed-bath-beyond-gustavo-arnal-dead.html
Japan launched an anti-suicide campaign a few decades ago. Reduced the number by something like 40%, enough to increase life expectancy.
*I didn't realize at the time I read it how much data is at odds with the narrative of the book.Replies: @Ripple Earthdevil, @Bragadocious, @Redneck Farmer
The idea that a certain amount of the population are degenerate PsOS and need to die is offensive, for some reason.
Well like they used to say, Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem. I sort of think a lot of people who commit suicide do not, at that moment, realize that there are no give-backs; I think they are in a crisis transitory state of unbearable psychological pain, and they just want it to stop, and they don’t really realize at the moment that it’s irreversible. I wonder if temporary medically-induced comas might be a good way to treat this urge.
Sad to say, I have a lot of family experience in this regard, and pretty much all the suicides and attempts in my family (myself not excepted) did not result from personal shame or some kind of long-term societal effect of low SES or any of that blather. They resulted from a spiked sudden onset of temporary madness. Blacks and lots of other poor, stupid people live perfectly jolly lives, without ever noticing that there’s any sort of problem.
If the suicide rate has gone way up and the % of suicides by gun is about the same, that suggests that guns might be playing a moderate but not decisive role in the suicide rate increase.
Lookit: my grandmother was a very nice person who did not suffer from low SES distress in any non-ludicrous manner. But she slowly sank into untreated depression, and then one day suddenly declared that she was the Devil, and began trying to kill herself in various manners. While they were searching for a mental hospital to get her under observation, she managed to slip away from everyone's attention long enough to hang herself. This stuff happens. My other grandmother was a tuff old bird who fought tooth and nail to help her family all her life, and drove us all crazy well into her 90s, god bless her. That stuff happens too.Replies: @Joe Stalin
Have you ever met such a creature?
It’s about ready availability; guns used to be pretty common household objects in America, these days opioids and other pills are pretty ready to hand. It makes a rather spontaneous, even if deranged, “decision” easier to put into effect. If I am right in my theory that many or most suicides are the result of a relatively instantaneous response to a sudden onset of unbearable psychological pain; and that the numbers could be reduced if we could find a reliable temporary “OFF” switch, which would nullify the spiked symptom and give the patient space in which to recover, we could do better. A lot of people who kill themselves are simply not aware at the time that the result of their decision is irreversible; any number of cops will tell you the stories of people who jumped off a roof and who suddenly, as they were falling, had the weird realization that it was a very bad idea but now they couldn’t take it back. Allen Ginsberg in “Howl” has just about the funniest line on this.
Lookit: my grandmother was a very nice person who did not suffer from low SES distress in any non-ludicrous manner. But she slowly sank into untreated depression, and then one day suddenly declared that she was the Devil, and began trying to kill herself in various manners. While they were searching for a mental hospital to get her under observation, she managed to slip away from everyone’s attention long enough to hang herself. This stuff happens. My other grandmother was a tuff old bird who fought tooth and nail to help her family all her life, and drove us all crazy well into her 90s, god bless her. That stuff happens too.
At the end, they show how life goes on without them, and the music played on those scenes is Doris Day singing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qql1E1lYPLoReplies: @AceDeuce
The firearm ownership rate has risen more than the suicide rate, though.
His father died at 53 and Floyd himself had coronary artery disease at the time of his death.
Or good luck. Frans (Medici Effect) Johansson claims that losing a parent young can increase one’s chances of great success, e.g., Lennon and McCartney. Not that he’s about to off himself for the betterment of his Swedish-black-Cherokee-Philippine children, who will have to rely on their intersectionality. (Now there’s a “longitudinal” study waiting to be done!) He makes a case IKEA should add lumpia spring rolls to their cafeteria.
Speaking of Philippine-Americans,
TILYIL that in 1967, while Roman Gabriel was tearing up the Coastal Division of the NFL, another member of that tribe was doing the same to the airwaves. I knew Larry Ramos was in the Association, but not that it was his lead vocal on “Windy“.A head start on a long life might be to name your son Hilary. Immunologist Hilary Koprowski lived to 96, and illustrator Hilary Knight is still going at 97. But Hilario “Larry” Ramos only made it to 72. That might be long for a Flip, though.
(I should consult a doctor about this tendency toward manic digression…)
A few years ago the girl and I met a couple of EMTs at the gym. When they found out she was a nurse at BMC, they regaled us with amazing and pathetic stories about their job.
They both wanted a “Ban Narcan” bumper sticker for their ambulance. One stated that reviving the same people overdosing over and over again was ridiculous.
“I was wondering why this is even an issue when fentanyl can be procured in almost every zip code.”
Agreed. Nebraska became the first state to use fentanyl in executions. But apparently, the cheap stuff is hard to dose properly, so that cruel-and-unusual arguments by death penalty opponents (which necessitate proper dosage) make the whole process difficult. Obviously, an elephant-sized dose even at half-purity is gonna do the trick, so it’s still a head scratcher, but I think it’s just high-level legalese between the opposing sides at this point. Regardless of what one thinks of the death penalty, this seems like an easier way to make it pain-free, and maybe some PRO-capital punishment advocates might argue that it’s not punishing enough.
Wokeness is all about categorizing people and assigning them moral worth depending on the boxes they are associated with for its own sake, and the only people with a sense of purpose in all of it are those who feel they have the whip hand. The early deaths of white have often been termed 'deaths of despair' and I think that is accurate insofar as you are talking about a group of people that once felt valued regardless of economic or social standing and are definitely not now - and that is particularly harsh for those with the least social capital and opportunity in the first place and see no real way forward. This probably is at least partly true for Native Americans, people who have a sense of pride and something lost. I don't think this is as true for blacks, Asians, or Latinos since they either never really had significant power, presence or cultural influence in the US to lose in the first place. Frankly I think most Asians and Latinos still look at life here as one with a lot of potential upside.
One could argue that blacks are about as powerful as they have ever been...but as I have stated repeatedly, it is my belief that they have already hit their apogee and the next 20 years will see a major erosion of that. How they react to that will be interesting and no doubt costly to society.Replies: @AndrewR, @William Badwhite
I haven’t been commenting enough to press “Thanks”, so thanks, good comment.
Unlike other states which fall hard to one side or the other on the issue, Nebraska seems divided on capital punishment. Iowa, too, which banned it in the 19th century, only to take it up again later, and then to abandon it again in the 1960s. Some nearby states– Michigan, Wisconsin, Minnesota– gave it up 100, 150+ years ago, long before the insufferable Europeans ever thought of doing so. Minnesota’s most notable execution wasn’t by the state, but the feds, dozens of Dakotas in 1862.
I can't say I disapprove. While I am dismayed that Steve is threatening to paywall a lot of his new work, which I worry will reduce his impact (other Substack writers have been able to make good money while keeping most of their stuff free), Unz has become a cesspool, and I've been hoping for a long time that Steve would distance himself from it. Nevertheless, a lot of his best work is available only on Unz. In contrast, John Derbyshire has his own personal web site where he archives everything he has ever written, so he can always link to it there. Steve, I know setting something like that up would be a lot of work, but there would also be a lot of benefit, so it's something you should at least think about.
*The one thing I will miss about Unz is the commenting system; best I have ever seen, by far.Replies: @Frau Katze, @Jenner Ickham Errican
The Unz commenting system is good when it works.
Unfortunately it frequently doesn’t work. It easily loses the chain of unread comments, making it useless if there are a lot of unread comments.
It does this constantly on my iPhone, hardly an unusual platform.
A couple of days ago there was an entire column I couldn’t access at all: I kept getting connection errors. I wasn’t the only who had this problem.
The Substack commenting is less sophisticated but it works.
Ron, how about a feature to highlight all new comments after a certain date/time? Or a button next to each comment "reload page highlighting all comments after this one"?
https://i.postimg.cc/yd8LqKjM/1719430139890248.jpgReplies: @AnotherDad
I’ve love to hear what these “economists” think the purpose of the economy is?
I’d also like to know their names, so this quote is in front of their bosses when their salary is up for review. Heck, I’m sure we can find some young hungry immigrant economists who can pump out the required globo-parasite friendly “economics” for less!
Lookit: my grandmother was a very nice person who did not suffer from low SES distress in any non-ludicrous manner. But she slowly sank into untreated depression, and then one day suddenly declared that she was the Devil, and began trying to kill herself in various manners. While they were searching for a mental hospital to get her under observation, she managed to slip away from everyone's attention long enough to hang herself. This stuff happens. My other grandmother was a tuff old bird who fought tooth and nail to help her family all her life, and drove us all crazy well into her 90s, god bless her. That stuff happens too.Replies: @Joe Stalin
I was watching a french-language DVD years ago (Sorry, can’t recollect the title.) about a businessman that shoots himself and the rest of the movie is about the effect on his children and wife.
At the end, they show how life goes on without them, and the music played on those scenes is Doris Day singing:
Btw Sailer congrats on the Tucker interview. We are so back!Replies: @Art Deco
They account for about 13% of the population and 8% of the human capital in this country. They don’t have ‘the whip hand’ and never did. They can control certain municipalities and school districts, but only because state legislatures sit on their hands. What is interesting is that for over 50 years people in gatekeeper positions have been willing to break the rules to cater to them. That’s something in the psyche of the professional-managerial stratum.
They’re also nearly all male. Men have higher suicide rates.
Why bother? Just use firing squads.
I can't say I disapprove. While I am dismayed that Steve is threatening to paywall a lot of his new work, which I worry will reduce his impact (other Substack writers have been able to make good money while keeping most of their stuff free), Unz has become a cesspool, and I've been hoping for a long time that Steve would distance himself from it. Nevertheless, a lot of his best work is available only on Unz. In contrast, John Derbyshire has his own personal web site where he archives everything he has ever written, so he can always link to it there. Steve, I know setting something like that up would be a lot of work, but there would also be a lot of benefit, so it's something you should at least think about.
*The one thing I will miss about Unz is the commenting system; best I have ever seen, by far.Replies: @Frau Katze, @Jenner Ickham Errican
Are you sure?
https://www.johnderbyshire.com/Recent/page.html
His “Diaries” and “Radio Derb” sections do look comprehensive:
https://www.johnderbyshire.com/Opinions/Diaries/page.html
https://www.johnderbyshire.com/Opinions/RadioDerb/page.html
Yes – black have had disproportionate power largely because the white political and institutional leaders that have been overly deferential to their demands didn’t think it would ever cost them something personally. But DEI is going to start to bite them – or more importantly, their kids – and they will come up with new justifications to start to sideline blacks politically. They will still have control of pockets here and there due to sheer concentration of numbers, but every other group in America – including left of center whites – will be a lot less interested in catering to them and it will show up in a myriad of ways. It will be taken very poorly as well, and the reaction from that will probably cement their decline to 3rd class status.
“Do you wish to have Zionism continue?”
Why do you hate freedom of association?
Hmm, I had not seen that page. Nevertheless, in principle a unified iSteve archive site would be very nice. Not as much work as you might think either, as it would probably be possible for someone to write a custom program to scrape Steve’s articles off of Unz. (You could get the comments too, but actually I don’t think you’d want them). A couple of days work for a programmer who was up to speed on this sort of thing. The site might include articles from others sources as well, like Taki’s, or Steve’s old blogs. I don’t know about copyright issues, but I think an author generally has the right to republish his own work. All in all, doable. Hey Steve, if this is something you’d want, why don’t you see if one of your readers will volunteer his time.
I read last century that dentists and police had the highest suicide rates. Farming and professional fishing are quite dangerous from accidents.
It will get really bad once the Indians we are inexplicably allowing into our country start holding more offices.
At the end, they show how life goes on without them, and the music played on those scenes is Doris Day singing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qql1E1lYPLoReplies: @AceDeuce
How would the cops know that?
There is an occasional survivor. According to wikipedia about 2% for the Golden Gate Bridge.
"In his article for The New Yorker, Friend wrote, "Survivors often regret their decision in midair, if not before". This observation is supported by survivor Ken Baldwin, who explained, "I instantly realized that everything in my life that I'd thought was unfixable was totally fixable—except for having just jumped."[93]"
I’ll give it a shot.
The cops probably pushed them.
“How would the cops know that?”
There is an occasional survivor. According to wikipedia about 2% for the Golden Gate Bridge.
“In his article for The New Yorker, Friend wrote, “Survivors often regret their decision in midair, if not before”. This observation is supported by survivor Ken Baldwin, who explained, “I instantly realized that everything in my life that I’d thought was unfixable was totally fixable—except for having just jumped.”[93]”
Unfortunately it frequently doesn’t work. It easily loses the chain of unread comments, making it useless if there are a lot of unread comments.
It does this constantly on my iPhone, hardly an unusual platform.
A couple of days ago there was an entire column I couldn’t access at all: I kept getting connection errors. I wasn’t the only who had this problem.
The Substack commenting is less sophisticated but it works.Replies: @EdwardM
Agree. It even works as intended, but to the detriment of the user, if one navigates away from the page before reading all of the new comments.
Ron, how about a feature to highlight all new comments after a certain date/time? Or a button next to each comment “reload page highlighting all comments after this one”?
Screams were heard and reported to the police?
Its' been noted that Christianity has a propensity for guilt. Now that god is dead, the guilt lives on and Western, post- Christian based cultures are now suffering from pathological altruism. It certainly wasn't a fault during the age of exploration but we see it now. Is there an equivalent anywhere else in the world?Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
Pathological altruism and cultural self-loathing is especially pronounced in NW Euros but not unique.
The Japanese have this as well, there was a theory in early stages of WWII that Communist Party of Japan would overthrew the emperor in pursuit of a proletarian revolution.
Extreme far-left persisted in post-war Japan.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Japaneseism
But the concept of moderation is also parallel in both Confucian and Greco-Roman traditions:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Mean
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_mean_(philosophy)