I wonder if his mom ever thought, before leaving Chicago, if I just take this pain in the ass kid to Mississippi maybe the locals will take care of him.

Or maybe not, but it seems like she knew taking him down there was a bad idea and she did it anyway.

Protect them from what? NYT tourists?

Black people are toxic. If not your black friend, then most certainly many of his/her friends and relatives.

Overall, they’re just too much trouble. They turn cities into wastelands. They have no leadership, and never will, because even the few who are able to conform to western civilization want nothing to do with their own morass once they can get away from them.

Take a lesson from well-to-do blacks: Just stay the fuck away from them.

https://nypost.com/2023/07/22/lowes-worker-gets-black-eye-loses-job-trying-to-stop-thieves/

I’d imagine that she knew the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree, what with his father being a rapist murderer and all.

Cue the Vogues!

Till the moon deserts the sky…
Till all the seas run dry…
Till then I’ll worship you…
Till the tropic sun grows cold…
Till this young world grows old…

You are my reason to live…

Till, the rivers flow upstream…
Till lovers cease to dream…
Till then I’m yours…

Their other big hit was “Turn Around, Look at Me”, a most fitting title for every “fringe” of the coalition.

American and British normies like to talk about conservatives and people living in places like China and Russia being brainwashed, but the fact that unusual white-on-black murders such as those of Emmett Till and Stephen Lawrence play such an outsized role in racial discourse in both countries is truly flabbergasting.

I suspect more whites are murdered by blacks every year in both countries than blacks who have ever been murdered by whites. Till and Lawrence are the ultimate “man bites dog” news stories.

Beyonce is playing Soldier Field tonight. Its raining. Racism!😣

Speaking of unruly animals:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12327943/80-jump-surgery-dog-bites-30-000-treatment-year-nearly-3-500-having-reconstructive-operations.html

Louis Till could not be reached for comment….

The Biden administration is on Till’t.

A young Latino woman that was 21 years old was shot recently by a 15 year old black kid while sitting in the passenger seat of her car in a Nashville Apartment complex. It was an attempted carjacking. Her name was Genesis Garcia. She wanted to be a pharmacist.

Are there going to be any statues built for Genesis Garcia?

Jesus pointed out to the Pharisees how they’d pick a gnat out of their brother’s eye and ignore a camel in their own eye. The Biggest Lies I’ve ever seen in my life over the years are actually truths, but they are over emphasized out of all reasonable proportion. A molehill literally made out to be a mountain.

Joe Biden is damaging the Biden family name to the point that their descendants are going to be ashamed of it. John Allen Muhammad and Boyd Lee Malvo killed 10 innocent people as “The Beltway Snipers”, but white people wisely do not want to build statues of the 10 victims to stir up racial resentment against black folks, but see that justice was done and move on together. I think most blacks probably don’t think this monument is a good idea. The powers-that-be want that psyop narrative badly don’t they? Tell me how that military recruiting is going again?

It will be torn down one day just like they tore down our statues

Money, Mississippi is just too far off (to the west) of the Natchez Trace Parkway* to make a good side trip. Perhaps we’ll check it out on the way to the world’s biggest ball of yarn.

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* A really nice drive, but fill up your car in Tupelo or Jackson, depending. Going south, I came into Jackson on fumes.

President Trump or DeSantis ought to create a federal monument to the far more numerous (per capita) white victims of black violence. In the racial politics game, Dems are always on offense, so why can’t Republicans do the same?

National monument? It’ll become a national religious shrine. Compulsory worship, statements of faith, ex-communication and condemnation of non-believers, etc.

Get ready for the UniParty to re-brand “Reparations” as “Repentarations”.

Perhaps there can be a statue honoring the first elected transgender lawmaker too:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12327191/First-transgender-state-rep-charged-stomach-churning-child-porn-offenses-daycare-worker-girlfriend-sent-naked-photos-toddlers-hired-care-for.html

Sorry to go all off the ranch OT but i just think everybody could use a bit of cheering up from the old days……

Remember back when Madonna was fun, and not a pain in the ass?

Part of the reason I’m putting this here is, even though I share a more bizarre spiritual kinship with La PJ, physically I grew up in the same place and time as Madonna, and i remember just how horrible everything was; so she found a way to do something kooky and pleasant and happy with all of that non-stop monstrosity, and so because she figured that out, and also made a freaking fortune out of doing it, what can I say? except, I dips me lid.

Sorry everything else later got a bit too ka-razy, but ya gotta admit, at least the 80s were fun. And I can certainly tell you that your 1980s were a LOT more fun than my 1980s.

You talk about blacks at least 10 times more than you talk about Jews. It’s not helping guide us out of the mess the country is in.

This “Biden” administration is great!

No seriously. The minoritarians when doing politics have usually lathered up their toxic ideology with all sorts “American” this or “working people” that. Now we have flat out 200 proof minoritarian administration–well except for senile old man on the bottle’s label–it’s just so much more openly “F U whitey!”

Seriously, can we just separate already? I am so ready to get these blood sucking parasites off of my–and America’s–body.

Sounds like this monument is only for Emmett Till. That seems disrespectful to all the other rapists in training who were violently denied the opportunity to perfect their craft.

Politico:

Biden will establish a national monument honoring Emmett Till, the Black teen lynched in Mississippi

A complete monument should include a life-size gallows recreation of Louis Till hanging around. Call it “Till, we meet again”.

This offers a fine opportunity for some Republican presidential hopeful to step up, and say he will rescind this monument upon taking office.

That that Till is sad personal story of rude and crude teenager and a hotheaded husband and his brother taking murderous revenge, but 70 years after the fact is being used by minoritarian ideologues and Parasite Party hacks to spread this lie that blacks are oppressed and their problems are the fault of white people, rather than of their own making; basically in service of a bunch of racial lying designed to inflame racial tensions in order to keep blacks as a reliable Parasite Party vote bank. Disgusting stuff.

Just a national monument? Why not a full-blown national park?

Too much green space frightens urban blacks.

Joementia should send “Doctor Jill” to go down there for the grand opening and let nigro males rub up on her and talk sexual smack the enttire days as penance.

Hey, and North America wasn’t the only continent enriched by Tills. Europe should pay tribute to rapey-killy Daddy Louis Till, who enriched Italy with his presence. A special section could be set up for fellow nigro rapey-killy GI Fred McMurray, who was with Till and was tried and hanged for the same offenses (one murder and two rapes).

BTW LOL: Here’s how Cuckipedia leads off the article about Louis Till:

Louis Till (February 7, 1922 – July 2, 1945) was an African American GI during World War II.

LOL. Yeah, and Jeffrey Dahmer (1860-1994) was a “White candy factory worker and aspiring amateur chef.”

Fun Fact: Louis Till was born in Cape Girardeau, Mo. which means that he and Rush Limbaugh were from the same hometown.

I wonder if it will be a monumental fiasco like the ridiculous statue for Martin Luther King and his spouse .

Enough about lynching already. As everyone ought to know, lynching involves removal of an accused criminal from proper authorities by civilians. Till wasn’t accused of breaking any laws and he wasn’t in custody. Yeah, he was murdered. So were a lot of blacks who aren’t getting any recognition. The three civil rights workers murdered in Mississippi in 1964 (Cheney, Goodman, and Schwerner) were killed with the collusion of law enforcement. That was a lynching.

I propose a national holiday. How about “Till Tuesday”?

Great, more statues of Asians

The MSM has their narrative, and Steve has his.

I propose a national holiday. How about “Till Tuesday”?

…Pipe down , voices carry.

“The three civil rights workers”

If we’re going to speak in correct terms, then let’s call these three what they really were: Invasive communist seditious provocateurs.

Why not a full-blown national park?

That takes an act of Congress. However, many of our national parks did start out as national monuments, including the world-famous Grand Canyon.

I think that, in the unlikely event that this country doesn’t completely fall apart within the next couple of decades, you will definitely see Congress act on this pressing issue of giving the young master Till his proper honors.

The Daily Mail says it also includes sites in Illinois honoring his mother.
They only show pre-pubescent photos of Till, just like Trayvon.

If only someone was interested in what Cities with soaring crime rates have in common they might look at Oakland

This isn’t blacks, this is Bai Dien speaking for the blacks to distract from his own party effectively saying they regret lying and election-interfering to get him up that long staircase. I would bet money that no normal black person wanted an Emmett Till monument.

“the monument will protect places”……….Politico actually said that ?how pray tell do monuments do that?…….voodoo?

I propose a national holiday. How about “Till Tuesday”?

Good day for aim-y Mannlichers.

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So, it’s not wigger to make snide ethnic slurs against a group, yet simply being on the side of your own people is bad (if you’re white)?

It’s the same old game: white people, don’t you dare be on your own side.

Good day for aim-y Mannlichers.

“Microwave some more pizza rolls and bring ’em down to the basement, mom! Talkin’ guns and gear with the guys on Unz is hungry work!”

Eldridge Cleaver is next.

Ray of Light is easily Madonna’s best song.

Madonna has just left a fat festival of nasal piercings, a thousand bull pseudo cows with their ring pull, I swear to God if my eldest goes and gets a septum piercing I will not only disown her I will see to it I lure her “man” into drinking with me, take him on a road trip to McLaren Vale, attempt to watch some sports with him on TV, try to reason with him (does he even observe pronouns?),.

If Emmet Till hadn’t sexually harassed that woman, none of this would have happened.;)

“Tried in the Court of Judge Lynch” was a headline often used over reports in early newspapers of extra-judicial killings of criminal suspects. And there were many in the antebellum era which go unnoticed by 20th century racialists because the victims were virtually all white. Mormon founder Jo Smith was perhaps the most prominent, gunned down in 1844 by a vigilante mob as he tried to break out of jail.

Hopefully! It will be if they let a black design it. Which they will.

Oh, and by the way, MLK was a rapist, just like Till’s father, who was hanged for it in WWII. And probably, just like Till would’ve become if he’d been allowed to live. I guess the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree!

Statues can be removed, all it takes is a little organisation and a little willpower.

If the blue haired unwashed tattooed spiteful mutants of the left can manage it so can we.

Money, Mississippi is just too far off (to the west) of the Natchez Trace Parkway* to make a good side trip. Perhaps we’ll check it out on the way to the world’s biggest ball of yarn.

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/07/22/biden-will-establish-a-national-monument-honoring-emmett-till-the-black-teen-lynched-in-mississippi-00107716

Biden will sign a proclamation on Tuesday to create the Emmett Till and Mamie Till-Mobley National Monument across three sites in Illinois and Mississippi, according to the official.
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The monument will protect places that are central to the story of Till’s life and death at age 14, the acquittal of his white killers and his mother’s activism.

It’s interesting how doing something symbolic for blacks has been a sure-fire way to rally the base for Democrats for decades. The left’s relationship with this demographic can truly be described as religious in nature.

The Ancient Greeks had the Oracle at Delphi, we get the Oracle at Till.

Tragedy first, then farce.

He was crime victim. Very unfortunate for him and his family, but there’s nothing to honor in that. Let his friends and relations put flowers on his grave. It doesn’t involve the rest of us.

Hush hush …. don’t give them any ideas….

I was always partial to “5 o’clock World”- I reminds me of me as a kid riding my bike from St.Paul over to Lake Nokomis on a hot summer day…

I propose a national holiday. How about “Till Tuesday”?

Which Congress will immediately designate be celebrated on Monday, as they do, so that federal employees can have yet another three day weekend.

“rescind this monument upon taking office.” I’ll see ya and raise ya. Rescind the Holy Till Shrine, then MLK Day, then Juneteenth.

It’s past time for a counter-revolution on all the black worship. In world history, has any such destructive demographic received so much unwarranted praise and special privilege? I wish the Republicans wouldn’t be so passive on this issue, and go on the offense for once (like the Left is, constantly).

So were a lot of blacks who aren’t getting any recognition.

So ARE a lot of Whites, multiple dozens monthly – see Daily Kenn posts. What were once lynchings are now random muggings-gone-wrong (with all apologies to The Doobies).

Which Congress will immediately designate be celebrated on Monday, as they do, so that federal employees can have yet another three day weekend.

Maybe that’s not such a bad thing. The more they’re off perhaps the better. As the Talmud has it, “Sleep for the wicked is a benefit to them and a benefit to the World.”

As everyone ought to know, lynching involves removal of an accused criminal from proper authorities by civilians

Uh, no. Not necessarily. Not usually, in fact.

There are many versions of lynch laws that vary in terms of technicalities, but the original gist of things is something like this, as found in Dictionary.com. Most seminal legal works have similar definitions.

the administration of summary punishment, especially death, upon a suspected, accused, or convicted person by a mob acting without legal process or authority.

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/lynch-law

Joementia should send “Doctor Jill” to go down there for the grand opening and she can let negro males rub up on her and talk sexual smack, a la young Emmett, to her for the entire day as penance.

Hey, and North America wasn’t the only continent enriched by the Till family. Europe should pay tribute to rapey-killy Daddy Louis Till, who enriched Italy with his presence. A special section could be set up for fellow negro rapey-killy GI Fred McMurray, who was with Till and was tried and hanged for the same offenses (one murder and two rapes).

BTW LOL: Here’s how Cuckipedia leads off the article about Louis Till:

Louis Till (February 7, 1922 – July 2, 1945) was an African American GI during World War II.

LOL. Yeah, and Jeffrey Dahmer (1960-1994) was a “White candy factory worker and aspiring amateur chef.”

Fun Fact: Louis Till was born in Cape Girardeau, Mo. which means that he and Rush Limbaugh were from the same hometown.

In Washington, DC, the town that Franklin, Earl and Lyndon built, a local theater company announced a few years ago that it would present, not a play about Emmett Till, but an entire trilogy of plays about Till. Apparently Till had ascended to the firmament, joining the protagonists of Aeschylus, Sophocles and Euripides.

Not a chance. This is a one way ratchet – Dems put stuff like this in place and then GOP maintains it. The chances of a rollback are zero. Are you some kind of racist or sumthin?

And no your national separation is not happening. Stop fantasizing. Whiteland has as much chance of materializing as Wakanda.

Goodness knows that for 100 years there were monuments throughout the South for traitorous generals (some still stand) who did not deserve them. Those generals got a lot of Americans killed for an unjust cause (the right to own other human beings). A Martian would say that it’s nuts that we put up statues of those guys. Who won the Civil War? Do they have statues of Nazis in Germany?

Till did not live long enough to kill anyone. He really was murdered for racist reasons and it’s not wrong to have a monument to him. Yes, his character and what he did was questionable but he did not deserve death.

This was not some random crime – a robbery gone wrong, a drunken bar brawl. The crime was only possible in the context of the Jim Crow system. His crime fundamentally was that he did not “know his place”. The killing was not just personal to Till and his family but was part and parcel of a system designed to keep blacks in their place at the bottom of a racial hierarchy. His killers were not punished for their crime because of this hierarchy. So to pretend that this had nothing to do with anyone or anything else is just false.

This is part and parcel of politics in an ethnically or racially divided country. Big city politics in America has operated this way since the 19th century. Biden owes his office to the blacks of the South and of course he wants to repay them politically. He makes no secret of this. Biden being Biden he sometimes says the quiet part out loud.

Republicans only WISH that they had a solid base of 90+% R voters that they could pander to. As pandering goes, this is gonna be cheap.

Remember back when Madonna was fun, and not a pain in the ass?

Not at all. I remember her as the talentless slut that she still is.

They can put Till next to the George Floyd monument…

#15 :

As everyone ought to know, lynching involves removal of an accused criminal from proper authorities by civilians.

No one knows that because it’s not true. You suck.

Are most crimes random? Out of the blue? Or by those lacking mental competency to comprehend consequences and culpability?

Or is the crime, in fact, the result of a choice of action to violate another for their own advantage?

He really was murdered for racist reasons and it’s not wrong to have a monument to him.

Then there is a line of people waiting for a monument; plenty of them White.

Yeah, but one expects leadership not to be in-your-face and rude about the pandering.

Not sure how one spins Till as a sympathetic figure. As with George Floyd, can come across as a criticism of Black life where the lauded figures are plenty undesirable.

For the sake of equity, it would be apropo to have a Museum of Interacial Crime in Washington, DC for the rest of us to visit.

A true celebration of Diversity!

Who won the Civil War?

A walking tour of the north half of your city will quickly answer that question!

Goodness knows that for 100 years there were monuments throughout the South for traitorous generals…

Such as Benjamin Lincoln? Careful with that broad brush…

Sorry to go off topic, but a few posts back (“The Victim Sweepstakes”), the comment thread touched on emotional support animals. Do you think the airlines would let her travel for free if she sat on my lap?
https://nypost.com/2023/07/22/influencer-works-as-emotional-support-stripper-in-ukraine/

Who says there’s never any good news?

Lockheed Martin believes global instability is driving demand and sees an increase in annual profits. Washington’s proxy war in Ukraine has caused an increase in arms spending among NATO members, boosting weapons makers’ stock prices.

On Tuesday, Lockheed raised its annual profit and sales outlook on strong demand for military equipment.

Who’da Thunk it?

If we’re going to speak in correct terms, then let’s call these three what they really were: Invasive communist seditious provocateurs.

Like Rachel Corrie?

He really was murdered for racist reasons and it’s not wrong to have a monument to him.

If that is the standard there will be many monuments. In history how many people have been murdered because they were part of an outgroup and behaving badly? As you note the scandalous part is more that his killers got off scot-free.

How do you feel about the (double?) standard that monuments to Robert E Lee (etc.) are beyond the pale? (rereading your comment I guess you answered that in the earlier part, interesting how many of those traitors served the US honorably in the Mexican War and years leading up to the Civil War)

Sounds great in theory, but increasing the number of paid federal holidays doesn’t seem to be decreasing the damage being done.

We’ve added two new paid federal holidays in my lifetime – both celebrating America’s most thoughtful and productive demographic – yet this country is now nearly broke.

True – politically, blacks are incredibly cheap dates. I always laugh when people insist we ought to listen to them more on national issues, as though following the lead of the most dog-loyal partisans in the nation is a bright idea.

He really was murdered for racist reasons and it’s not wrong to have a monument to him.

He was murdered for being a horny teen asshole who groped another man’s wife. Sure, the guys who murdered him were assholes, too, as were the jurors who let them off.

In a very large percentage of crimes both the victims and the perps are complete assholes. That doesn’t justify erecting monuments to the victims.

But sure, I’ll go with a monument for Emmett Till. Let’s start erecting monuments to all of the white people murdered by black thugs, also. Make sure you point out the race of the murderers on the monuments, because you know it will be mentioned on Till’s.

In fact, let’s erect a monument to every black murder victim. Make sure to mention the race of the murderers on those monuments, too.

Goodness knows that for 100 years there were monuments throughout the South for traitorous generals (some still stand) who did not deserve them.

Those generals weren’t traitorous. They were generals who were from a part of the country that wanted to leave the United States but was kept in at gunpoint, and at great loss of life.

I’m no fan of the “Lost Cause,” and think the war was a horrible waste in defense of a really bad system. But calling Confederate generals traitors is just obnoxiously stupid.

The war ended 158 years ago. Let people have their heroes and make peace with the past and move on.

You have to admit that a public monument to sexual harassment is pretty funny, when you stop to think about it. I’m sure France and Italy are studded with them, but this is Feminist America.

Where are the harridans when you need them?

who did not deserve them.
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You don’t understand what ordinary people value.

What were the Puritans if not Minoritarians? The English and Dutch colonies were populated by minoritarian snowflakes. Victimization was pioneered by Irish Catholics and assorted Protestant groups in this country.

If you want people with a healthy sense of collective, corporate identity, you’d need to settle in the French or Spanish colonies.

Where are the harridans when you need them?

They know their place on the pole…

You’re offering an explanation of some of the perpetrators’ motives, and the jury’s. That is irrelevant. He was an ordinary youth and, as ordinary youths are, of interest to his friends and relations.
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My grandfather had a cousin in the Army Air Corps who died in a plane crash during the war. (He was the pilot and sole occupant). He left a wife and daughter. Being in uniform, being married, and fathering a daughter made his life of more significance than Emmett Till’s (which is different than saying it was of greater value). His monument is a gravestone in a cemetery in the small town where he grew up.

If all goes right — ritual, alchemical — fully-reanimated Emmett will shake hands with partially-reanimated Biden at the monument unveiling.

“Sounds like this monument is only for Emmett Till. That seems disrespectful to all the other rapists in training who were violently denied the opportunity to perfect their craft.”

What about a monument to those who committed some truly monumental crimes?

Letalvis D. Cobbins
Lemaricus D. Davidson
George Thomas
Eric Boyd
Vanessa Coleman

Wilkey writes, “We’ve added two new paid federal holidays in my lifetime – both celebrating America’s most thoughtful and productive demographic”.

Please pardon my ignorance, but what are these two holidays, and what is this demographic?

Miniature “GS.”

He really was murdered for racist reasons…

We don’t know that, and we can’t. Had this been the local sheriff’s son, they would have acted differently. But what if a mouthy white Chicago kid had done the same? Would he have been killed as well? Maybe, maybe not. (Depends on their view of “Yankees”.) We don’t know.

But we can be sure that in such a case, the jury would have “deliberated” a bit longer. We forget (or aren’t told) that the real scandal to mid-1950s Americans wasn’t the crime itself, but the offhand exoneration.

Similar to how the draft-card burners a decade later weren’t protesting the draft itself, but the war. (They weren’t being cowards, they were being politicians.) What looks like a minor detail can alter one’s view of the entire situation.

This is just Bribe ’em thinking it’s a simple way of holding onto the black vote. The economy’s been going downhill, and Bribe ’em thinks blacks will easily fall in line if he gives them a Till monument.

Well guess what? A long time ago, Democrats figured out that to blacks, pride is more important than money. Because most blacks are on welfare, food stamps, and Section 8, their basic financial needs are covered. They don’t have to worry about starving or not having shelter. They don’t even have to work. Therefore, what rouses blacks is their pride. A display like a Till monument, (along with a Democrat promise to keep those freebies coming) will always keep blacks voting Democratic.

The only think that worries Democrats is if blacks become too apathetic to vote. Therefore, Democrats feel they need to keep reminding blacks of past wrongs to get them to the polls, much the way Democrats keep reminding Jews of the Holocaust to keep them going to the polls. Democrats are terrified that the minute voting blocs stop being reminded of ancient wrongs, they’ll become apathetic about politics and stop voting Democrat.

Till did not live long enough to kill anyone. He really was murdered for racist reasons and it’s not wrong to have a monument to him. Yes, his character and what he did was questionable but he did not deserve death.

Tell you what, Cuck Wuck-if the same thing happened-the EXACT same thing happened-except that a White teen sexually assaulted a married negro female, and her negro husband took care of business the same way, I bet you’d be just fine with it.

“Little punk found out! You don’t mess with A BLACK MAN’S woman!!!” you’d say, as your Vienna sausage got tumescent in your pleated Dockers.

Can a national monument dedicated to George Floyd be far behind?

And you don’t want to be in Jackson, MS for any reason….

Well, since every sovereign State had the right to secede, which was conceded at the time of ratification and afterward, Generals defending that right against a Lincoln dictatorship were anythibg except treasonous…

Republicans only WISH that they had a solid base of 90+% R voters that they could pander to. As pandering goes, this is gonna be cheap.

A monument for Mary Phagan would be cheap too.

Care to ante up with your tax dollars, Councilor?

The War was fought over the Morrill Tariff, not slavery….Lincoln was a tool of the Northern industrialists who wanted the South to be a captive market, and also to tax and control its cotton exports to England…

OT:

‘This Is a Really Big Deal’: How College Towns Are Decimating the GOP Growing population in America’s highly educated enclaves has led to huge gains for the Democratic Party. And Republicans are scrambling for answers.

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/07/21/gop-college-towns-00106974

Defund the Professoriate!

Red States need to start defunding public universities. Downsize them: eliminate departments and force them to fire their armies of administrators.

‘This was not some random crime – a robbery gone wrong, a drunken bar brawl. The crime was only possible in the context of the Jim Crow system. His crime fundamentally was that he did not “know his place”. The killing was not just personal to Till and his family but was part and parcel of a system designed to keep blacks in their place at the bottom of a racial hierarchy. His killers were not punished for their crime because of this hierarchy. So to pretend that this had nothing to do with anyone or anything else is just false.’

One wonders how you would handle living and working in a majority black area. How, for example, would you go about making sure your young wife could mind the store by herself?

Emmitt Till’s murder was definitely a beating that went sideways. But I can see how it happened. Read the Look Magazine article.

If it were true that they were protesting the war and not the draft then why did all the protests stop after the draft was stopped while the war continued?

As I said before, Till stands not just for his own death at the hands of white trash, but for the whole system that existed to deprive blacks of the promises of legal equality made in the 14th Amendment and which permeated Southern society and government.

Personally I doubt that if Till had been a white kid from Chicago that he would have been killed. A white teenager did not threaten the social order in the way that Till did. Carolyn Bryant was able to stay alone in an isolated store in an all black community because of the regime of fear created by Mississippi whites. Killing a white teen would not have served to maintain the regime of fear.

Even under the unwritten code of the South, Till deserved no more than a thorough beating. Although the code of the South did not permit his killers to be convicted, neither were they hailed as local heroes – in fact they were shunned by the locals and had to move away because they had also broken the local social order (and indeed helped immeasurably to bring about the end of that order). The fact that Till was black and seen as less than human (also that he continued to mouth off to them) is what caused his killers to escalate from a mere beating to murder. In fact, THEY are the ones who should be getting monuments for that reason. Till would have probably end up dead or in prison in Chicago anyway but for their intervention. But nobody puts up statues of Pontius Pilate either.

For whatever reason, just or unjust, sometimes random dufuses become symbolic heroes. Blacks being blacks, they have more random dufuses than most – Rodney King, George Floyd, etc. Rosa Parks was not a random dufus and neither was Homer Plessy because they were both carefully chosen in advance to be test defendants.

All over the former E. Bloc there were thousands of statues of Lenin (and for a while, Stalin). Were they there because the locals valued them? To the extent that Civil War generals were popular in the South, part of that was a massive, organized propaganda campaign that was quite successful in brainwashing people. In some places in the E. Bloc, Lenin and Stalin also enjoyed a lot of popularity among ordinary people. For that matter, the ordinary people of German admired Hitler for a while.

Beep beep! Beep beep!

Only the winners get to have statues. It’s why you can have a statue of David Yulee but not Robert E. Lee, or Anne Frank (in Idaho!) but not Mary Phagan.

Hitler enjoyed massive overwhelming support nearly unto his death. In stark contrast to Roosevelt who was despised by maybe half the Us population and Churchill who was voted out of office within weeks of the allied victory in Europe.

How many years away are we from forcing the Italians to put up a memorial to his father. The Army will make a payment to any remaining Till descendents.

The killing of Emmett Till was eugenic. How many rapist sons grandsons and great grandsons would he have left as his criminal rapist legacy had he lived.

Back in the 1930s a study began to discover if rape was a genetic thing. Rape victims who got pregnant with boys who kept and raised the sons of the rapists were contacted. The mothers promised to allow the researchers to follow their sons for life.

1930s 40s when all the intellectuals and not really experts believed in nurture may nature. The researchers obtained a variety of mothers and sons from different regions economic status ethnicities religion etc to obtain a large number of subjects.

The results of the study was amazing. By age 25, 40 percent of the sons of rapists had been convicted not just accused of rape. By 30 even more had been convicted of rape.

Genetics and DNA rule. It’s a good thing the inherited Till rapist gene was removed from the gene pool.

“He really was murdered for racist reasons and it’s not wrong to have a monument to him. ”

So was Mary Phagan, but hey hey, we don’t go there here.

And I’ve read one of Till’s killers was in fact a negro.

Oh boy, you’re in fine minoritarian narrative spinning this morning there Jack. Whitey be racist oppressors. You should write for the NYT.

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traitorous generals

I’m a republican. I’m for a nation of free high wage/high productivity people governing themselves. I’ve got zero use for slavery, serfdom, nor the “must have immigration!” cheap labor shills–any of their sleazy ideologies or systems. That goes for the Confederacy.

But these generals were following along with what their states had decided–to leave the Union. I think their system is vile and backward and secession was stupid, but they were loyal to the people in their states and communities who had voted in secession. And fighting a Union army seeking to overthrow that decision by invading their states.

Compare to our “elite” of “must have immigration!” shills, intentionally selling out and trashing the future of the American people and their posterity. Those scum are actually disloyal and truly “traitorous” to the people and nation they owe loyalty to.

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He really was murdered for racist reasons

Till was not murdered randomly. He was murdered for putting his hands on another man’s wife–or at least scaring the bejesus out of her so she went running to car for her gun. This sort of stuff has led to plenty of beatings and murders down through the ages. The he was black–and a apparently stubbornly unrepentant–along with the low character of Roy Bryant and his half brother were what juiced this to murder. And yes, the racial context of Jim Crow–not wanting to tell blacks that Till’s behavior would be tolerated–was what got Bryant and Milam off.

But this was hardly, like “these black guys have taken our jobs” or “we don’t like these people and are going to run them out of town” murder. It was a husband’s very personal beef with Till’s crude behavior toward his wife.

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and it’s not wrong to have a monument to him.

Wow. The Asians are going to claim a whole bunch of these “racist reasons murder” national monuments. But I think I’ll stick with my gal Kylie and drag the grandkids to The Channon Christian and Christopher Newsome Racist Murder National Monument (the CCCNRMNM). I look forward to the “Biden” administration announcing that.

Martin Luther King Day (1983) and Juneteenth (2021).

Incidentally, Memorial Day and Columbus Day only became federal holidays in 1968. That’s still nearly a decade before I was born, but I never would have guessed they were that recent.

* A really nice drive, but fill up your car in Tupelo or Jackson, depending. Going south, I came into Jackson on fumes.

Excellent advice.

I’ve only done a little of the Natchez Trace 15 or so back and probably won’t be doing much more as it does not naturally line up directionally with our Florida-to/from-world driving pattern. We did a day on the Blue Ridge Parkway when we headed north last summer.

These national parkways are fun. You won’t make freeway style speed/progress. But they are very pleasant drives. However, you really do need to fire up gas buddy or google or whatever the night before, find your reasonably priced and accessible gas stations, have a “gas plan” and execute it. There won’t be a Buc-ee’s or a Costco right off the parkway.

I suspect more whites are murdered by blacks every year in both countries than blacks who have ever been murdered by whites. Till and Lawrence are the ultimate “man bites dog” news stories.

Members of the Till family murdered two white women (that we know of), and two of its members were killed by whites (one judicial, one extra-judicial). So even looking at just the Till family, it’s a 2-2, tie.

To the extent that Civil War generals were popular in the South, part of that was a massive, organized propaganda campaign that was quite successful in brainwashing people.

The Confederate States of America was not the result of a military coup. Secession was decided by vote of the democratically-elected state legislatures in all eleven states that joined the CSA. Granted those legislatures weren’t elected by blacks or women, but whaddaya whaddaya? Women didn’t vote in the North, either. That was democracy of the time. Three states – Texas, Tennessee, and Virginia – even held referendums, which was not the usual way to decide such things back then.

In other words, the generals leading the Confederate armies were not traitors. They were leading armies established by the duly elected leaders of their newly established country. Those generals didn’t even invade the North. They weren’t trying to destroy their old nation, but simply fighting to defend – defend – their new one.

Nations don’t survive forever. It is quite natural for nations to grow, shrink, change, break apart, and reform. Would you call responses to all those changes, by people who no longer feel their region/state/whatever belongs in their current country, “traitorous”? Were the voters in the UK who voted for Brexit traitors? Are Basques, Catalans or Scotsmen who want to leave their respective countries traitors?

You might as well ban divorce. Why not just call any woman who wants to leave her abusive husband a traitorous, no-good bitch as well, yes?

Again, I don’t have much truck with the “Lost Cause.” I don’t have any love for slavery and think that, overall, it was better for the South that they remained in the Union. Were some of them brainwashed into supporting an institution that was not only bad for the slaves but for the rest of the South, as well? Sure, maybe. It was the economy they had at the time, and it was tough for them to imagine anything different.

The South’s economic struggles in the century following the end of slavery, and their eternal struggle to successfully integrate the descendants of those slaves, with their insanely high crime rates and overall low human capital, suggests the Southerners fearing the end of slavery were absolutely correct to do so.

But the men who commanded the Southern armies weren’t traitors, and Southerners have every right and reason to still hold their generals in some esteem. Our heroes aren’t perfect. There is a lot of myth surrounding most of them, or maybe even all of them. But we need them. And to tell a people that they aren’t allowed to have them, that they are evil for having them, is just – as I said before – obnoxiously stupid.

Now maybe we can leave a pointless argument over statues and parks and schools and military bases alone and fight a political battle worth fighting, like the invasion currently happening across our southern border?

Thanks for showing off your ignorance. Schoolyard taunts have zero effect.

And no your national separation is not happening. Stop fantasizing. Whiteland has as much chance of materializing as Wakanda.

It’s not “whiteland” but “America”–a nation for normal productive non-nutty Americans … who are loyal to America. But otherwise, yeah. On this one, sadly, here you are most likely right.

But it is still something to worth wishing for, working for–and if it comes to it–fighting for. Ordinary Americans deserve to have a nation of normal productive self-governing Americans who value the old sane stuff like “borders” and “rule of law” and are loyal to each other and “to ourselves our posterity”.

(And while the minoritarians don not deserve a nation … to achieve separation, they need to get one. And I would be happy to see it … just to enjoy the shit show! Parasites without a host. LOL.)

But yeah, our likely future is “slumping toward Brazil”. We’ll have Holocaust Memorials and Emmett Till National Monuments and Stonewall Memorials and Lea Thomas Statues and kindergarten tranny story hour and “Reparations” as Africans swarm across our “nation of immigrants” memorial political boundary line (“border” being racist) … while the Chinese do eugenic genetic engineering and engineer race targeted bioweapons.

My grandkids will sure as hell wish they could live in my fantasy.

A Martian would say that it’s nuts that we put up statues of those guys. Who won the Civil War? Do they have statues of Nazis in Germany?

So your point is that blacks have won their civil war against white people, so it’s only right they get their statues now? I guess that has internal logic from your point of view.

George Washington was a traitorous general, but I guess it’s only treason if you lose. For example, the traitorous Jews who rebelled against Rome in 69 A.D. I hope nobody is celebrating their treachery.

He was born in New Madrid, Mo, about 50 miles from Cape Girardeau.

Desperately Seeking Susan was pretty entertaining.

It’s precisely true.

Incidentally, Memorial Day and Columbus Day only became federal holidays in 1968.

No we’ve celebrated Memorial Day my entire life. I believe since after the Civil War. It was however on May 30th until I was a teenager then flopped over to be a Monday holiday matching Labor Day.

Columbus Day was also around–just as a day. But only became a federal holiday about the same time as the Memorial Day switch to Monday.

Ok gone and looked it up:
Indeed the same piece of legislation–signed in ’68, into use in ’71:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniform_Monday_Holiday_Act

“ while the Chinese do eugenic genetic engineering and engineer race targeted bioweapons.”

Chinese show more opposition to human genetic engineering than Americans in one poll I saw. They also jailed one IVF guy for cloning a human being.

I think California’s combo of very high incomes, lots of nerds who wait until they are 38-45 to plan for kids, and aspie transhumanism means we’ll take the lead.

I find race targeted bioweapons implausible. What are they going to do, target wet earwax and chest hair?

In this and past posts you’ve repeatedly called Confederates traitors and compared them to Nazis and Stalinists. Others have pointed out that loyalty to your state, then or now, is not treasonous. And fighting for your right to self-government is not a bad cause. The real issue in 1860 was not slavery or tariffs, but whether white southerners or white northerners would decide those issues for the South. Nothing wrong with insisting on home rule.
As for Nazis and Stalinists, I’ll say again you can as easily accuse Jewish Israelis of Nazi behavior. Jewish Israelis kill Arabs to steal their land, no? Jews were terrorists, blowing up hotels, no? Robert E Lee never blew up a hotel full of civilians. Israelis who did that were later Prime Ministers.

To the extent that Civil War generals were popular in the South, part of that was a massive, organized propaganda campaign that was quite successful in brainwashing people

Another of your smears, that there is something phony about Confederate statues and memorials. Southern people revered their soldiers from day one. Your description of a propaganda campaign to create astroturf memorials more aptly describes Holocaust memorials in the US.
In past posts you pointed to the fact that Confederate statues were not finally built until many years after the war as proof that the sentiments were fake. Does that same reasoning apply to Holocaust memorials built 70 years after WWII? Does that reasoning apply to memorials to Northern Generals that were built in the same era the Southern statues went up, or the Lincoln Memorial which was not built until 1922?

Suppose we could have a serious conversation on the subject of what is the best deal we could give the blacks without running the country into the ground. Something symbolic like this, yeah, I would throw that into the deal.

To the extent that Civil War generals were popular in the South, part of that was a massive, organized propaganda campaign that was quite successful in brainwashing people.

To the extent Emmitt Till is popular it’s because of a massive, organized propaganda campaign that was quite successful in brainwashing people. But that’s different because . . . you agree with the modern brainwashing?

There is nothing heroic or inspirational about Till. He was just a little punk who ended up dead for sexually harassing the wrong guy’s woman. That’s not a good thing, but it’s happened to thousands of black guys over the years. You can condemn Till’s killers if you want. But “Honoring” Till is preposterous. The only point is to buttress the anti-white narrative of collective shame that is considered so politically useful.

If being the victim of an interracial crime is cause for honor, then they need to put up monuments to the two Italian women raped and murdered by Till Sr. In fact, the whole country would be thick with monuments to black murder victims. (Kitty Genovese springs immediately to mind as a good candidate for her own “shame on black people” monument.)

Actually, since the cost of real estate would be prohibitive for thousands of individual monuments to blacks’ victims, we would have to do something like the Vietnam Memorial: A grim list carved in stone of the thousands of white victims raped and murdered by blacks. It would be a place where victims’ relatives could gather and light candles and reflect on “never again” policies.

Since you believe that promoting memory of interracial crime is a good thing, you must agree with this proposal. Let the national healing begin!

If it were true that they were protesting the war and not the draft then why did all the protests stop after the draft was stopped while the war continued?

Huh? The burning protests were in the mid-1960s. The draft ended in 1973.

The protests didn’t stop, they just took different forms. E.g., putting women, who did not have cards to burn, out front, as at Kent State. More effective.

There were plenty of avenues around the draft– student deferment, conscientious objection, medical excuses from a sympathetic doctor, a one-way trip to Montréal or Malmö… Why commit a public felony in front of cameras?

Besides, many, perhaps most, of the protestors came right out and said they’d be willing to go had the war been “just”. That’s pretty stupid if it’s the draft itself you’re protesting. It undercuts the whole point.

Conscription laws in the US– and presumably elsewhere– don’t allow you to pick and choose your battles. That’s what enlistment is for.

Robert E. Lee was not a traitor to his country, because his country was Virginia.

(If Jack D had a gun to his head and had to choose, I strongly suspect he’d choose his tribe over the Goverment of the United States on any day of the week.)

He was born in New Madrid, Mo, about 50 miles from Cape Girardeau.

Site of the worst earthquake in US history, in 1811. Take that, Californians!

I stopped by their town museum just weeks before the SF-Oakland Series, and had quakes on the mind. Damn, had I only placed a bet! Imagine the payout!

By the way, the accent is on the “mad-“. Just as in Helsinki, it’s on the “hell-”

Chinese show more opposition to human genetic engineering than Americans in one poll I saw. They also jailed one IVF guy for cloning a human being.

I think California’s combo of very high incomes, lots of nerds who wait until they are 38-45 to plan for kids, and aspie transhumanism means we’ll take the lead.

You’re giving me polls again. BGI kept sending me emails to sign up to give them my DNA. I assume they are actively working the issues over there. Could be wrong.

But here Jewish “Science” has declared that “race doesn’t exist” and all those Waspy genetics and “discredited theory of eugenics” guys are a bunch of Nazis. Now maybe the Silly Valley folks will work around this retail–that could be, capitalist competition is powerful.

But to matter a lot a society has to generally decide to do eugenics. That sounds more like something the Chicoms at least could do–though, of course, in fits and starts with lots of confusion and corruption. But a few Silly Valley dudes having his one or two genetically engineered super-kids, while the inner city thug knocks up three different women, Mexican momma pops out her three babies and Africans discover they can fly to Monterey and walk across the border to collect reparations …

Blacks are 13 percent of the population, Jews are 2.4 percent. Makes sense to me.

Believe All Women …but only when they accuse white men.

I think that, in the unlikely event that this country doesn’t completely fall apart within the next couple of decades, you will definitely see Congress act on this pressing issue of giving the young master Till his proper honors.

Long before that, they’ll rain millions down upon his extended family. If St.George (pbuh) was worth $23 million, how much would Till be worth?

He may have been raised in New Madrid, Cliff Clavin, but he was born in Cape Girardeau.

My grandkids will sure as hell wish they could live in my fantasy.

So do I.

Thanks.

Great to see that you relish the death of a young white woman. Fits your character to a T.

‘…I think most blacks probably don’t think this monument is a good idea…’

I think that I don’t care what black people think.

At the time, Lee’s love was for his state. Moreover, Lee wrote in September 1865 that the issues between the North and South had been decided and he believed “it to be the duty of every one to unite in the restoration of the country, and the reestablishment of peace & harmony.”

“(If Jack D had a gun to his head and had to choose, I strongly suspect he’d choose his tribe over the Goverment of the United States on any day of the week.)”

He would choose to remain with those Jewish-Americans who support the government of the United States.

overall low human capital

But, strangely, not low enough to remove altogether.

suggests the Southerners fearing the end of slavery were absolutely correct to do so.

Had the slaves been freed in Panama, as a certain railroad lawyer proposed, what would there have been to fear?

Good day for aim-y Mannlichers.

Talkin’ guns and gear with the guys on Unz is hungry work!

Poor Oyb, probably didn’t get the pun. 🙁

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Obviously, my comments aren’t that of a fat person. You, however, are tellingly food-obsessed:

“Microwave some more pizza rolls and bring ’em down to the basement, mom!

That’s some compelling original content, Oyb. Have you finally acquired gainful employment or are you still a self-described “starving peasant”? (The hunger is real!) Sounds like you want to move into your “mom’s basement” rather than live whatever melodrama is happening with you out in the desert:

https://www.unz.com/isteve/a-compromise-between-affordable-housing-and-nimbyism/#comment-5909046 (#105, etc.)

I merely think that private developers should be allowed to build housing on their own property that people like me can afford to rent so that I won’t be sleeping on a fucking park bench. It’s pretty clear that you are the Antoinette, here, and I the starving peasant. [e.a.]

So which is it? Am I as rich as Marie Antoinette, or living in my “mom’s basement”? (Or… both??) You’re just a confused envious lefty, crying poormouth and fantasizing about left-wing revolution in the most cringe way possible:

As a downscale white (or more likely, “fellow white” YIMBY?) who has really been hurt by the housing crisis, I think NIMBY homeowners need to be told to sit down and shut up. This country is headed for a second French Revolution [e.a.] if we don’t do something about this housing crisis soon.

That attitude worked well for the Bourbons–until it didn’t.

You will allow housing to be built for people like me or you will eventually face the guillotines.

‘Simple as.

Enjoy your ill-gotten appreciation on your single-family home while you can, Marie Antoinette.

LOL, who’s the tough-guy revolutionary now?

Oyb: “DOWN WITH SINGLE-FAMILY ZONING! KILL HOMEOWNERS! RAWR!”

This you?

Twitter’s Woke Left Sans-Culotte LARPers

She devoted her life to the Islamification of a foreign land. Not surprised you’re a fan. Be careful…

Correction: My blockquote of you …

As a downscale white (or more likely, “fellow white” YIMBY?) who has really been hurt by the housing crisis …

… was meant to be split thus:

As a downscale white

Or more likely, “fellow white” YIMBY?

who has really been hurt by the housing crisis …

His draft card says ‘Madrid’.
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There was a marriage license issued to Pomp Till and Clarissa Green, both of Leforge, Mo. The license was issued in New Madrid, Mo. on 1 January 1921. Louis Till was born on 22 February 1922. Pomp Till was shot to death in New Madrid on 19 June 1927. His wife had died some time earlier.

A Chinese century is what the doctor ordered for all this civilizational sickness.

He really was murdered for racist reasons and it’s not wrong to have a monument to him.

No, he was murdered for his threatening actions and alleged post hoc defiance. Whether or not “racist reasons” are wrong is a separate argument.

Yes, his character and what he did was questionable but he did not deserve death.

He certainly deserved death in a ‘Darwin awards’ sense: play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Emmett Till deserves zero sympathy. You may whine, ‘he was just a kid’, but do you think he would be any wiser at his dad’s age as when his father was dispatched? LOL

East Asians have more scant facial/chest hair, but coarser/thicker, which can have dramatic effects:

Japanese general 長岡 外史 Nagaoka Gaishi and some his Chinese acolytes

I don’t know what you infer from BGI having an email listserv that begs for free data. The big advances in GWAS/IQ are still mostly among whites.

Enhancement of IQ beyond what you’d expect from the parents turns out to be harder than we might have expected 15 years ago. I don’t think it will be common anywhere in the world even 20 years from now. But for the reason I stated it will be most common in CA.

Race realist intellectuals on genetics and IQ topics are heavily Jewish. But you want to keep complaining about Gould, keep barking at the moon.

Contrary to the popular belief of Jews mainstreaming Anti-Hereditarian research people with Jewish ancestry were found to be behind 37% of the most acclaimed Hereditarian books on Race and IQ. pic.twitter.com/idZ86iONns

— UBERSOY (@UBERSOY1) July 5, 2023

It’s pretty bizarre that wild animals are culled more ruthlessly for antagonism with humans than Canis lupus familiaris.

His crime fundamentally was that he did not “know his place”.

Notably, as fundamentally expressed by being a demonstrable physical threat (and allegedly unrepentant under subsequent duress) to members of the community. Looks like his killers nipped that ongoing individual threat in the bud. You seem sad about that.

A Chinese century is what the doctor ordered for all this civilizational sickness.

No. Again. NO.

The crime was only possible in the context of the Jim Crow system. His crime fundamentally was that he did not “know his place”.

What’s the total excess Black-on-White murders caused by integration? I would like to see a comparison of Black murderers % of White victims both before and after Jim Crow. Maybe Jim Crow wasn’t entirely good; but maybe it wasn’t entirely bad either.

Southern Whites knew Blacks more intimately than, say, Northern Jews. Ideally, you want to treat people as individuals. But when the Bell Curves are too far apart that isn’t always pragmatic.

Under oath to federal agents she admitted he penetrated her. They interviewed her twice.her story never changed.they had to let her go. Good luck finding the transcript.

Robert E Lee never blew up a hotel full of civilians.

Nor did William T Sherman.

Israelis who did that were later Prime Ministers.

I’m sure there were “hotels full of civilians” in Hamburg, Berlin, and Dresden, as well.

Getting a beat-down or killing for not knowing your place wasn’t invented by early 20th century Southerners. You can be as blue-blooded and wealthy as a Rockefeller but you are still going to end up dead if you show your arrogant ass around the wrong part of town.

There is a striking modern example: wealthy, influential, WASPy Bob Lee had his entrails handed to him when he ended up on the wrong side of California’s Kardashian-American honor culture. And I bet you Nima Momeni, defender of his family’s honor, gets sprung by a jury of his peers or gets a generous plea bargain.

OT: classic sailersphere stuff.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/07/wealthy-liberal-suburbs-economic-segregation-scarsdale/674792/

“Watch what they do, not what they say.”

Window signs are cheap. I laugh when I see the BLM signs in front of $2m homes in my neighborhood. A couple of miles away and you could be surrounded by all the black lives you wanted and your house would literally cost 1/10th of what it does in this neighborhood.

Rich liberals are the worst people on earth.

“ California’s Kardashian-American honor culture”

The killer was actually a Zoroastrian.

Thus stabbed Zarathustra!

Emmett Till? Never heard of him.

The always excellent Micheal Anton: https://compactmag.com/article/the-pessimistic-case-for-the-future

Biden will establish a national monument…

It’s funny to imagine Biden’s concern over the necessity of building ET monuments (he’s likely more concerned about his future Jello flavors and diaper change schedule). His gig now is essentially to read the prepared statements his handlers push to the teleprompters. What a way to end one’s life…

We’re supposed to believe that grandpa Biden just can’t stop thinking about the need we have for more Till (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVsQLlk-T0s).

Goodness knows that for 100 years there were monuments throughout the South for traitorous generals (some still stand) who did not deserve them.

Southerners put up those statues in the early 20th Century, to remind people who was boss. The proposed statue of Emmett Till serves the same purpose.

General Lee opposed statues because he believed they got in the way of reconciliation. He was correct.

What’s on their mind?

“I remember her [Madonna] as the talentless slut that she still is.”

You have your terms confused.

If you are chasing after everybody else, then you are a slut.

But if everybody else is chasing after you, then you are a rock star.

Since you seem to have never been either one of these, you are thus excused from the rest of this discussion.

For example, the traitorous Jews who rebelled against Rome in 69 A.D. I hope nobody is celebrating their treachery.

Traditionally, it was, indeed, not celebrated by Jews. The Talmud viewed it as an infamy forced on the population by the zealot party. It was only with the advent of modern Zionism and its valorization of martial virtues that the revolt was romanticised. In any case the Roman revolt was against an occupying force not a national divorce like the Civil War, so not entirely analogous. I do agree though that the North’s insistence on enforcing union was not legit.

For the edification of the iSteve community, a rundown on schizo left-wing ‘anarchist’ commenter “Herbert R. Tarlek, Jr.” (henceforth referred to as “Oyb”) who has recently decided to awkwardly project some of his, er, shortcomings onto yours truly. Examples from his first year of commenting (starting 2021) are below.

Good news:

The pandemic really is over — US death rate has returned to normal. pic.twitter.com/FQNBwFKNkp

— Alec Stapp (@AlecStapp) July 22, 2023

NYPD Granting Fewer Gun Permits After Supreme Court Ruled It Had To Grant More, Data Shows https://t.co/zIZ1Vqyga4

— Gun Politics in New York (@gunpoliticsny) July 23, 2023

Massachusetts:

Your efforts ARE making a difference.

It’s time to pick up the pressure.

Say NO now to the anti-rights tyranny of HD.4420 at https://t.co/zDNpa324R5. pic.twitter.com/tUyxJjbh2I

— Firearms Policy Coalition (@gunpolicy) July 23, 2023

[Eugene Volokh] Michigan Court of Appeals Upholds Ban on Guns at University of Michigan https://t.co/FZrgET40B3

— Volokh Conspiracy (@VolokhC) July 21, 2023

NJ says it can ban carry permit holders from carrying in their own car based on historical laws from 1686, 1871, and the 1900s, along with an 1879 decision that said the relevant law allowed carry "on the highways, or in transit through populous places" – which NJ's law prohibits pic.twitter.com/9oERU16yOU

— Firearms Policy Coalition (@gunpolicy) July 20, 2023

I’unno, first guy looks sort of Ainu to me.

He would choose to remain with those Jewish-Americans who support the government of the United States.

I dunno Corvy. By your own account they’re not a very trustworthy bunch. Turn your back to them and the next thing you know , dem Dolchstoss! https://www.unz.com/isteve/blacks-vs-hispanics-part-298/#comment-6017108

Will there be exhibits replicating the standard HR sexual harassment sideshows, with mandatory quizzes that you must pass to exit the monument?

Will the exhibits train you to bring up incidents of flirtatiousness, harassment, or groping to the sexual-harassment-contact-person in your department, rather than trying to handle it on your own with baseball bats, castration, or lynching?

The coalition wants to know.

Remember back when Madonna was fun, and not a pain in the ass?

Ah…Nope! Missed that one.

But I did get a kick out of the fact that her songwriting partner was a big Gentle Giant fan. Didn’t see that one coming. He’s got good taste. Those guys knew what they were doing.

This is how a serious country functions.

🔥🚨BREAKING: China has banned LGBTQ content and removed all of the existing content from their internet. pic.twitter.com/U9UrsoTDoh

— Dom Lucre | Breaker of Narratives (@dom_lucre) July 24, 2023

Wasnt Saint Emmett lynched for getting fresh with an extremely well endowed white chick? Can we get a sculpture of her too 😈😈😈👺

For obvious reasons, Eleanor was widely hated by white Southerners who voted automatically for her husband. I found a pamphlet about her in my great aunt’s stuff. Kinda wish I’d saved it.

Some states were still officially celebrating Confederate Memorial Day, usually around April 26. Civil rights and the centennial caused renewed interest, which may have led the Feds to make theirs official.

Fair enough that the Confederate Generals were not “traitors”. Nonetheless they were mostly a contemptible group of elites who dragged hundreds of thousands of young Southern white men to their deaths in a war to protect the property rights of a small minority (and not just any property rights, we are talking about the right to import and breed Africans in the US, a property right that has done tremendous long term damage to the US). Anyone who waves a Confederate flag has no right to complain about elites trying to replace white
people. That was the core value of the CSA.

You are an awful human being

You should be ashamed if yourself

People like you are why we cannot have nice things

One good thing is that demogdarogx Cheney is hapienyhand wgiyres will soon be a minutely

Well, as David Mamet once famously said at his Loeb lecture, when confronted by an audience member with a little-bit-too-sticky of a question…

“Hey, you work your side of the street, lady, and I’ll work mine.”

Didn’t answer or solve the problem, but on the other hand it did get a good laugh, and sometimes that turns out to be the best solution.

I was always sort of a teensy bit steamed at Brustein that he never invited Elizabeth LeComte or Ron Vawter to come say a few baffling things. He seemed oblivious to the giant influence that the Wooster Group was having on the rest of us, much more so than Mamet or Sam Shepard.

Wikipedia and one other account online reference Cape Girardeau as his birthplace.

And yes, the racial context of Jim Crow–not wanting to tell blacks that Till’s behavior would be tolerated–was what got Bryant and Milam off.

That’s not right at all.
2 of Milam’s Black contractors did the beating, by the time Till’s eye was hanging out, the decision was made that it was too late to let him go, and one of the Blacks put a bullet in his brain.

Once Till’s body was found, local Law Enforcement took the 2 to Alabama and locked them up there under false names until the Trial had concluded.
Had investigators found them, they woulda been States Witnesses and, being eyewitnesses, Bryant and Milam woulda been Executed.

When I was waiting to get my first NC driver’s license, the trooper had to verify the date of birth of an old black guy who never had a birth certificate or other documentation of it. There’s a good chance there’s no official record of Till until (!) a Census.

It happened to a Rockefeller in Melbourne about 15 years ago.
He turned up at some swappers house to do some wife swappin’ minus his wife.
Later found in pieces inside a 44 gallon drum in the water at Hastings.

After all the hilarity here about Emmett Till over the years, I was thrown for a bit of a loop a couple of months ago when I read David Halberstam’s The Fifties and discovered that the Till thing was a really, really big deal at the time, in the way that could only happen when the media universe was three television news shows and a half a dozen news and public affairs magazines, and the entire population consumed that media. So in a way the current Till-mania is making up for the Till blackout during my 1960s-70s education.

She fought against the outright oppression of a group of people, according to the tenets of the Bible. You bitch and moan about being enslaved, so what is your excuse for not rising up yourself?

Furthermore, I thought you were against Jews and their machinations. Now you’re siding with them?

The group of white people you associate yourself with are far more untrustworthy than Jack’s kind. That’s not even debatable.

And I never realised that Gentle Giant were Simon Dupree and the Big Sound.

(who was the songwriting partner?)

Importation of slaves was banned in 1808.
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There was some conscription during the Civil War, but the vast bulk of those on both sides served voluntarily.
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The states which held referenda had 3-1 majorities in favor of secession. In some state conventions, the opposition was considerable. In others, votes in favor of secession passed by 6, 8, 0r 10-1 margins.

Something tells me that even in Beverly Hills you don’t get an all Persian jury. We’ll see – I’m betting that Momeni is NOT going to walk and is looking at a really long sentence. He is being held without bail, which is not a good sign.

Murders of whites in S. Africa are also way up, but maintaining a system of minority rule by terror is unsustainable in the long run. Whites in the American South drew the wrong lesson after Haiti – they should have put their Africans back on a boat instead of doubling down on permanent rule by terror. Anything short of that was just kicking the can down the road .

“Ideally, you want to treat people as individuals. But when the Bell Curves are too far apart that isn’t always pragmatic.”

So you’re siding with science rather than the Torah. Kindness isn’t optional in Judaism.

“Getting a beat-down or killing for not knowing your place wasn’t invented by early 20th century Southerners”

No, but it was practiced religiously there. Which ended up to be illegal and immoral.

“Emmitt Till’s murder was definitely a beating that went sideways”

JFC, the beating never should have taken place at all!

And you seem quite unsad that Till received an extrajudicial death penalty for mouthing off.

NYT article on this important development:

Biden to Name National Monument for Emmett Till and His Mother
The monument, expected to be established on Tuesday, will consist of three protected sites in Illinois and Mississippi.

https://archive.li/vKceq

If you are chasing after everybody else, then you are a slut.

But if everybody else is chasing after you, then you are a rock star.

So which rock band is your mother in?

It ended up illegal.

It was always immoral.

They should never have been brought over in the first place, but that’s another story. It’s all, er, very “complex” you know.

Read a piece a few weeks ago somewhere, I don’t remember where, in which the author traced modern progressivism and its inevitable byproduct, the woke phenomenon, back to the Calvinism embraced by our friends who were on board the Mayflower and Speedwell. I have always thought that over the centuries, the old Genevan Reformer has had a greater influence upon American society (in matters religious or otherwise) than I think he gets credit for.

More complicated than that. Haitian rebellion was initially led by mixed race colonials angry that they didn’t get the respect that white French bureaucrats from the metropole got. Many were educated in France, and came from older families even if their mothers were of African descent.

Once rebellion started, the actual black field hands joined in, to the chagrin of the coloured elites. Said colored elites sowed the whirlwind. The French were “distracted” by events at home. Sans the Revolutionary era, the French could have cracked down on the slaves. Malaria also didn’t help.

Something very similar happened with disgruntled criollos like Simon Bolivar in Latin America. They were descendants of conquistadors but were treated like second class citizens by poor peninsulare bureaucrats.

In South America, the irony is the slaves and lower classes allied with the Spanish Royal forces against the criollo middle class. The lower class, mixed llaneros from what is now Venezuela allied with the Spanish royals and engaged in a reign of terror against the revolutionary-inclined criollos.

You can terrorize and kill your way into complete control. Just ask Spartacus and his guys how successfully they ended Roman slavery and latifundia.

And you seem quite unsad that Till received an extrajudicial death penalty for mouthing off.

Counselor, you have a problem with stating the whole truth: He mouthed off after being correctly identified and detained as a specific known physical threat to the community. What you melodramatically call a “death penalty” was merely the Law of the Jungle applied to unrepentant jungle behavior. The happy news is young Emmett wouldn’t later get a chance to rape or kill anyone as his dad liked to do. But if you, a termite, would rather have had young (and later, older) Emmett running around free to rape, you deserve the same treatment as him. 💀

And I’ve read one of Till’s killers was in fact a negro.

There were three black men involved. From what I can tell one was involved all the way through (Levi “Too Tight” Collins ).

This comment has quotes and references.
https://www.unz.com/isteve/nyt-questions-swirl-after-yet-another-emmett-till-sign-comes-down/#comment-4886406

Also see this comment.
https://www.unz.com/isteve/emmett-tills-victim-dies-before-she-can-by-lynched/#comment-5937485

“I remember her [Madonna] as the talentless slut that she still is.”

You have your terms confused.

If you are chasing after everybody else, then you are a slut.

But if everybody else is chasing after you, then you are a rock star.

Since you seem to have never been either one of these, you are thus excused from the rest of this discussion.

Wrong! A slut is a loose woman, has nothing to do with being the chaser or the chased.

Madonna is, and always has been a talentless slut! She’s responsible for casting the die of future generations of talentless sluts like Lady Gaga and Katy Perry, and Miley Cirus. Who are all at least partly responsible for the “slut centric” society we now live in.

Only a mere monument for brother Tlll?
I thought you hadn’t made the big time until you were honored with a U.S. postal stamp?
How many are going to travel to east bumb fuck Egypt to see the monument? But every time you open your mail, you’d be forced to look at his ugly, black mug on the envelope.

Most white people have never heard of Emmitt Till, but we all have to purchase stamps and open our mail. If you want to piss white nationalists off, the best way is to shove it down their throats on a daily basis. And the entire point of this exercise is to piss off white nationalists.

Back in the 1930s a study began to discover if rape was a genetic thing. Rape victims who got pregnant with boys who kept and raised the sons of the rapists were contacted. The mothers promised to allow the researchers to follow their sons for life.

1930s 40s when all the intellectuals and not really experts believed in nurture may nature. The researchers obtained a variety of mothers and sons from different regions economic status ethnicities religion etc to obtain a large number of subjects.

The results of the study was amazing. By age 25, 40 percent of the sons of rapists had been convicted not just accused of rape. By 30 even more had been convicted of rape.

That sounds believable, but I have not been able to find the study. Based on your comment it sounds like the study would have been done in the 1960s or later (at least 30 years old after birth in the 1930s?). Can you offer any information (e.g. authors, publication date, keywords, notable aspects like location which might help a search) to help me look?

Some links I ran across while looking. First, to tie this into the current victim culture (from the UK).

Daisy’s Law’: New Research Commissioned By Centre For Women’s Justice Demonstrates Why Children Born From Rape Should Be Recognised As ‘Victims’ In Law

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pregnancy_from_rape

https://trauma.blog.yorku.ca/2016/01/children-born-of-rape-face-a-painful-legacy/

Growing Up Under a Shadow: Key Issues in Research on and Treatment of Children Born of Rape
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/237268738_Growing_Up_Under_a_Shadow_Key_Issues_in_Research_on_and_Treatment_of_Children_Born_of_Rape

Edit: finally realized “heritability rape” was a good search.

Sexual offending runs in families: A 37-year nationwide study (Sweden)
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4469797

genetic effects tended to be weaker for rape of an adult (19%) than for child molestation (46%).

https://archive.nytimes.com/kristof.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/06/23/do-we-have-a-rape-gene/

https://www.newsweek.com/can-we-blame-our-bad-behavior-stone-age-genes-80349

South African blacks weren’t ruled by terror. There was an intricate web of laws and regulations enforced by police officers and civilian inspectors and a regular court system. You did have rioting subject to quite bloody suppression (1960, 1976). The real terror came from rampant street crime (see how the subject is treated in Alan Paton’s Cry, the Beloved Country). After 1982, there was a generalized breakdown in public order from political gang violence. The police weren’t causing that.
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If there’s a woulda coulda shoulda period in South African history it would be the years running from 1902 to 1910.

Good riddance to the three communist “civil rights workers”. Too bad they didn’t get them all.

This is a reply to a comment still in moderation. The truth hurts, Steve-o.

His draft card says ‘Madrid’.

Where do you see that? His 9 Jul 1942 enlistment record on FamilySearch just says MISSOURI with no image.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K8Y5-XSW

Pomp Till’s marriage certificate is available at
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G989-36K6

Both FamilySearch and FindaGrave give Louis Till’s birth as 7 Feb 1922, but neither has a source. Do you?
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/9VQG-FDY
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/10967775/louis-till

Pomp Till was shot to death in New Madrid on 19 June 1927. His wife had died some time earlier.

Do you have sources for either of those?

Any idea why Wikipedia claims he was born in Cape Girardeau? For reference, Cape Girardeau is about 50 miles away from New Madrid.

This 2022 article has a number of sourced photos which I had not seen elsewhere.
https://murderousroots.com/episodes/summersode-8-a-tragic-murder-in-mississippi

P.S. Did you ever find the autopsy report putting “his height at 5’0″ and his weight at 118#” (referring to Emmett Till)?
https://www.unz.com/isteve/emmett-tills-victim-dies-before-she-can-by-lynched/#comment-5940533