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Aug 6, 2025 11:28 PM
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Before reading and perhaps giving an answer, I will add this line to any post I make from now on, and it is the following, do not comment about my profile or anything related to it, because I will not only ignore but also perhaps block whoever does so, try to discuss only the subject of the topic, thank you very much for understanding.

Please note: This is simply constructive criticism of this manga's story, and I'm not hate bait, If I wanted to do that, I'd use works with a larger number of members. So, don't take it the wrong way. I'd be happy if you could share your opinion on this matter. (^ー^)

I also recommend that you've already read at least half of the manga or finished it. I didn't write a review because I thought it would be more interesting to share my experience directly on the forum.

I read this manga a long time ago and recently decided to read it again. Honestly, I remembered the story being somewhat confusing, but it wasn't to this extent. There are many windows, especially from the middle of the story onward, that don't seem to go anywhere, a lot of completely subjective dialogue that doesn't seem to make sense, and after you finish the manga, you're more confused than when you started.

I understand the author writing the story this way, as it's part of Pandora Hearts' charm. Since the characters' main goal is to find Alice's memories (among other things), much of the story's events feel fragmented, making the world feel like a profoundly lucid dream. This in itself could be a compliment to the author's writing. However, even as a fan of avant-garde works, I have issues with the manga's writing. It's one thing for events to be left to your interpretation, and another for you to be confused with each chapter because half of it doesn't make sense.

Despite this, I enjoyed reading it both times and will never forget this manga and most of the characters. I also already know the references the author used to create the story. Make no mistake, I don't hate the manga because of the criticisms above, but I think maybe Jun Mochizuki wants us to go to college to understand a simple fantasy drama manga. Anyway, that's all I wanted to share.
ReMightyRonAug 7, 2025 12:29 AM
Aug 7, 2025 12:18 AM
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Bruhhh I swear this manga is gaslighting me 😭
One minute I think I’ve figured out the plot, the next minute a character pulls a “I was actually my twin from a parallel timeline” move and everything goes out the window.
Aug 7, 2025 12:26 AM
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Bruhhh I swear this manga is gaslighting me 😭
One minute I think I’ve figured out the plot, the next minute a character pulls a “I was actually my twin from a parallel timeline” move and everything goes out the window.
@imluckylalalina That's exactly it, I'm a fan of this manga, but I think most of the people who say it's a rare gem and stuff like that certainly didn't understand half of the story.
Aug 7, 2025 4:06 AM
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I've read this manga twice from start to finish and I can half agree with what you say. The story can be confusing, but for me every major piece fell into place and I didn't feel like I'm missing something. It's just that it has to be read carefully and analysed in real time, otherwise yeah it can be hard to read and rough on the edges (it still is even with careful read, but yeah)
Aug 7, 2025 4:52 AM
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Yeah what really got me y hough is that a character would start a monologue but then it’d just cut off before the end so like idek what they’re trying to say. Deffo one that’s better on a reread
Aug 7, 2025 6:32 AM
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ReMightyRon said:
Before reading and perhaps giving an answer, I will add this line to any post I make from now on, and it is the following, do not comment about my profile or anything related to it, because I will not only ignore but also perhaps block whoever does so, try to discuss only the subject of the topic, thank you very much for understanding.

Please note: This is simply constructive criticism of this manga's story, and I'm not hate bait, If I wanted to do that, I'd use works with a larger number of members. So, don't take it the wrong way. I'd be happy if you could share your opinion on this matter. (^ー^)

I also recommend that you've already read at least half of the manga or finished it. I didn't write a review because I thought it would be more interesting to share my experience directly on the forum.

I read this manga a long time ago and recently decided to read it again. Honestly, I remembered the story being somewhat confusing, but it wasn't to this extent. There are many windows, especially from the middle of the story onward, that don't seem to go anywhere, a lot of completely subjective dialogue that doesn't seem to make sense, and after you finish the manga, you're more confused than when you started.

I understand the author writing the story this way, as it's part of Pandora Hearts' charm. Since the characters' main goal is to find Alice's memories (among other things), much of the story's events feel fragmented, making the world feel like a profoundly lucid dream. This in itself could be a compliment to the author's writing. However, even as a fan of avant-garde works, I have issues with the manga's writing. It's one thing for events to be left to your interpretation, and another for you to be confused with each chapter because half of it doesn't make sense.

Despite this, I enjoyed reading it both times and will never forget this manga and most of the characters. I also already know the references the author used to create the story. Make no mistake, I don't hate the manga because of the criticisms above, but I think maybe Jun Mochizuki wants us to go to college to understand a simple fantasy drama manga. Anyway, that's all I wanted to share.

It was really confusing on my first read. But when i started rereading it, i saw a lot of foreshadowings in the first 40-50 chapters and understood things i didn't understand while reading it for the first time. Characters are actually complex and that's hard to understand them if you don't analyse them.
Aug 7, 2025 9:16 AM
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imluckylalalina said:
Bruhhh I swear this manga is gaslighting me 😭
One minute I think I’ve figured out the plot, the next minute a character pulls a “I was actually my twin from a parallel timeline” move and everything goes out the window.

I'm glad it wasnt just me!! I read it earlier this year and while it was so good it was so confusing.
Aug 7, 2025 11:05 AM
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I disagree. Sure it’s complicated, but I didn’t find it hard to understand. You get the full picture just by reading it straight through once.
Aug 8, 2025 2:56 AM
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Haha, I feel you! 😆 Pandora Hearts is like… 50% story, 50% “wait, what just happened??” Every time I think I’ve figured out the plot, Mochizuki-sensei just drops another twist or hidden backstory out of nowhere.

But honestly, that’s part of the charm—it keeps me rereading and catching little details I missed the first time. It’s a beautiful kind of confusion.
Aug 8, 2025 6:44 AM
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you’d have to give me specific examples of stuff that didn’t make sense. I’ve reread pandora hearts several times and while some parts are a bit confusing I can’t remember there being any specific parts that I couldn’t ever figure out or anything.
Aug 8, 2025 6:12 PM
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ReMightyRon said:
Before reading and perhaps giving an answer, I will add this line to any post I make from now on, and it is the following, do not comment about my profile or anything related to it, because I will not only ignore but also perhaps block whoever does so, try to discuss only the subject of the topic, thank you very much for understanding.

Please note: This is simply constructive criticism of this manga's story, and I'm not hate bait, If I wanted to do that, I'd use works with a larger number of members. So, don't take it the wrong way. I'd be happy if you could share your opinion on this matter. (^ー^)

I also recommend that you've already read at least half of the manga or finished it. I didn't write a review because I thought it would be more interesting to share my experience directly on the forum.

I read this manga a long time ago and recently decided to read it again. Honestly, I remembered the story being somewhat confusing, but it wasn't to this extent. There are many windows, especially from the middle of the story onward, that don't seem to go anywhere, a lot of completely subjective dialogue that doesn't seem to make sense, and after you finish the manga, you're more confused than when you started.

I understand the author writing the story this way, as it's part of Pandora Hearts' charm. Since the characters' main goal is to find Alice's memories (among other things), much of the story's events feel fragmented, making the world feel like a profoundly lucid dream. This in itself could be a compliment to the author's writing. However, even as a fan of avant-garde works, I have issues with the manga's writing. It's one thing for events to be left to your interpretation, and another for you to be confused with each chapter because half of it doesn't make sense.

Despite this, I enjoyed reading it both times and will never forget this manga and most of the characters. I also already know the references the author used to create the story. Make no mistake, I don't hate the manga because of the criticisms above, but I think maybe Jun Mochizuki wants us to go to college to understand a simple fantasy drama manga. Anyway, that's all I wanted to share.

I’ve read it a few years ago so I don’t remember it that well. But, I do remember loving it. The plot, characters, and the vibes were all cool to me. But, I do remember the series being weird with the storytelling but I don’t remember ever having a hard time of what the story was trying to convey.
Aug 10, 2025 6:19 PM

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I would highly recommend watching the anime first, you'll understand mostly everything about the different settings that they're in. I was confused at first as well when I started reading the manga then I switched to the anime and it was easier to follow it that way then I skipped the last 3 filler episodes and started the manga and I ended up understanding everything. U have to pay attention to the past events as well to understand whats going on.
Jan 16, 10:00 AM
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It honestly IS kinda confusing, because they pulled a bunch of deus ex machinas and created plotholes on top of it. (finished it two days ago myself for the first time)

Just the fact that Oz - a chain - somehow participated in the 100 year cycle and got reborn made no sense. Chains dont get reborn. That was the very reason why Glen murdered all the people in Sablier, before they would drown in the Abyss and turn into chains and therefore be forbidden to be reborn after a 100 years. Maybe i missed a huge point of exposition, but by the rules that the story has set itself, Oz shouldnt be able to be reborn - period.

I also didnt like how Breaks physical condition was handled. After he blinded we got constantly told that was overdoing it, but without any consequences, except when he lost his feeling in the hand (/body?) towards the very end. It would have been much better if they established his physical decay with more steps, like having Alice bake something and use salt instead of sugar and make him eat it anyway, while everyone else looks disgusted (because he lost his smell/taste senses at some point) or similar situations. The manga lets him do crazy sh't over and over again and just after the third time or so they have him suffer tangible consequences. I also didnt understand why he would safe Vincent in the end. There was no buildup for him to do something like this imo. Even less, if his lifes purpose was to free/kill Alice².

In general Vincent is probably the worst character in terms of writing. His motivations are understandable on a fundamental level, but completely fall flat when you think about it for more than a few seconds - to the point where him trying to serve Gil, without even asking what Gil wants was pointed out in the story, what was completely ridiculous to me, because i always expected there to be more behind his behavior (which often goes straight against gils interests - e.g. trying to defile Ada just to hurt him. It cant be that this is his motivation and he really never asked/cared what Gil wants. You could say its part of his ultimately self-serving character, but it felt really cheap to me imo. Even more when i expected him to go out in the end ACTUALLY doing something to protect what mattered to Gil, like saving Alice and Oz by offering his flesh to the Core or whatever.
On top of that, i became pissed when Ada continued with the love bullsh't. There was not a single panel in this manga that actually showed anything tangible why she would fall in love with Vincent to that degree. In fact the dating-panels where literally either disgusting from Vincents side or a comedic relief. I honestly expected after seeing all the pre-story between him and Echo/Noise/Zwei that she would give him the forgiveness he needed and not some (for him) random person that he doesnt just not like, but didnt had any deeper connection to him at all. Its honestly shameful how they wasted Ada as a character and for whatever reason strongmanned Vincent into a good ending (for him). (The appearance of Ada in the final Arc really feels just like "we had to find something for her to contribute, but did so little with her, that this was the only thing we could come up with")

One thing that also irritated me was how suddenly Cheshire appeared in the Core, after Alice² got "killed". I loved the panel (cute cat!), but he literally wasnt around up to that point.

I also think that Duke Barma just surviving out of the blue kinda undermined my expectations of death in the end. If he could just survive, then whats with the rest? And if he is the exception, then why and how?! It didint even do anything for the narrative, that he had to be there. (and just to die 3 years later without accomplishing any of his interests)

Another gripe is probably that they didnt do that much with present-Alice, beyond her beeing a hungry cute meme-character most of the time. Especially towards the later half she basically became just a human-pet that was around and sometimes called out for Oz. We dont see many of her thoughts and feeling towards all of what was happening and there werent even many bonding moments, to the point it became a "tell, dont show"-relationship. I honestly think we knew more about the inner workings of uncle Oscar and Echo in the end than we knew about Alice.

And in general they took a lot of liberties towards the end by just going "Aaaah, the Abyss does Abyss things and this is just how it is now lol" or "Oh look, suddenly a character appears and saves/ruins the day!!". What is fine occasionally, but i think they overdid it in some parts.

Dont get me wrong; i do like the manga and its themes, but especially the last chapters really undermined its overall quality for me tbh. (what is sadly quite a common issue with Anime and Manga)
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This is just my two cents purely based on the manga (I have no clue how well the anime adapts it), but personally I felt like the author simply introduced too many characters at the same time and, oftentimes, their designs weren't unique enough to let me remember who they were and what their deal was. We really, really did NOT need three different "random bishounen in a suit and with black hair and odd powers" guys being relevant to the plot at the same time, especially at the cost of more interesting/unique characters like the Baskerville goons.

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