Transphobic or not?
Yes
6.5%
59
No
93.5%
845
904 votes
| I have heard that this show is transphobic, iirc the transphobia involves something about Ruka. |
| No - whoever you heard it from is a whiny baby Watch the show and form your own opinion |
| That 1 person is definitely just the op. Nobody agrees with your lot. |
| How can a show that includes a trans character be transphobic?💀 |
| I'm sorry what? What kind of mental gymnastics would you have to do to even interpret Ruka's character and story that way |
| And penguins are gay apparently |
| No. It is awkward. If they had a trans person advising them, they could have done better. But they're trying their best, and never go into anything hostile. AShotOfAwesome said: However, Steins Gate was released 15 years ago. We can’t judge it when modern gender theory was only popular in the past 10 years. It’s like criticizing mid-evil doctors for not understanding germs. Just want to note that the Nazis were burning books about it in the 1930s. And of course, trans people have known what it's like to be trans from the beginning of humanity. |
| Bait became believable again. |
*kappa* |
| There is no trans character in Steins;Gate. In all timelines Ruka identifies with gender correlating with his biological one. Even in the that one timeline when he manages to be a girl, Ruka still identified as a girl. His says he wishes to be a girl only to appease his parents, which means it does not come from his heart. Obviously, Twitterians will say it's "transphobic" because everything that makes them upset and even slightly touches the subject matter is labeled as such. |
PiromyslAug 29, 2024 7:57 AM
Reply to DayRivia
logopolis said:
No. It is awkward. If they had a trans person advising them, they could have done better. But they're trying their best, and never go into anything hostile.
Just want to note that the Nazis were burning books about it in the 1930s. And of course, trans people have known what it's like to be trans from the beginning of humanity.
No. It is awkward. If they had a trans person advising them, they could have done better. But they're trying their best, and never go into anything hostile.
AShotOfAwesome said:
However, Steins Gate was released 15 years ago. We can’t judge it when modern gender theory was only popular in the past 10 years. It’s like criticizing mid-evil doctors for not understanding germs.
However, Steins Gate was released 15 years ago. We can’t judge it when modern gender theory was only popular in the past 10 years. It’s like criticizing mid-evil doctors for not understanding germs.
Just want to note that the Nazis were burning books about it in the 1930s. And of course, trans people have known what it's like to be trans from the beginning of humanity.
"trans person advising them"
Where the heck do you people get off thinking you're so self important? Name another type of person who thinks an author should consult with them before writing about a feminine man. Not even a trans person. If anything Ruka was just gay in the male timeline.
Should a male author have to consult with women before he writes? Or reverse? The examples could be endless.
| @DayRivia It looks like what I said was above your reading level. Either that or you're a weird fantasist. |
| @Julitku39 he is a guy in one timeline and a girl in another it's not trans not even close. |
Julitku39 said: They literally wishes they were a woman, that's why Luka asks to send a d-mail to turn into a woman. That's definetly being trans. 1000master said: I don't know if there has ever been an official statement on this (I'm not that deep into the fandom), but if there hasn't, I would be careful with such sweeping statements. Personally, I think the fact that he wishes he had been born with a woman's body so badly he actually asks Okabe to change the world line for him points to him having genuine gender dysphoria that goes beyond a simple liking for feminine fashion / mannerisms. The fact that he doesn't openly identify as "she", to my mind, would be simply due to the fact that acceptance of trans persons was not as wide-spread back then, especially not in Japan, so that changing your pronouns was essentially unheard-of (whereas being a 'femboy' or cross-dresser has a long history there) Both of you are wrong. Luka (with L, not R, R is the incorrect spelling) is gay. He is in love with Okabe. The only reason he wants to he a girl, because she thinks that if he becomes a girl, Okabe will love her back. Also, he doesn't wear female clothes on his own will. He does it because her abusive father forces him |
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| @Julitku39 Ruka said that only because it was his parent's wishes and they were pushing it on him, because they wanted a girl. He did not opposed due to his submissive nature and love for his parents and it absolutely did not came from his heart. He was quite literally being groomed, and once his parents are out of picture, he happily identifies as a man, who he is, but is still a femboy. Even in Steins;Gate 0, we could see him as badass, katana wielding boy without any traces of femininity. The only LGBT stuff you can apply onto him, is him being gay. |
Reply to SimplyBrazen
How can a show that includes a trans character be transphobic?💀
| @SimplyBrazen Such a show could be deemed transphobic if its trans characters are poorly written, such as in Akazukin Chacha. Steins;Gate fortunately is not such a show, as it has no trans characters. |
| その目だれの目？ |
Reply to Lucifrost
@SimplyBrazen
Such a show could be deemed transphobic if its trans characters are poorly written, such as in Akazukin Chacha. Steins;Gate fortunately is not such a show, as it has no trans characters.
Such a show could be deemed transphobic if its trans characters are poorly written, such as in Akazukin Chacha. Steins;Gate fortunately is not such a show, as it has no trans characters.
| @Lucifrost Just cuz a trans character is poorly written doesn't make the show transphobic lmao. That's like saying if female characters in a show are poorly written the show is misogynistic. Makes no sense. And femboys are essentially trans. |
Reply to SimplyBrazen
@Lucifrost Just cuz a trans character is poorly written doesn't make the show transphobic lmao. That's like saying if female characters in a show are poorly written the show is misogynistic. Makes no sense. And femboys are essentially trans.
| @SimplyBrazen I would also say a show is misogynist if the female characters all suck, unless the male characters suck too. |
| その目だれの目？ |
Reply to Lucifrost
@SimplyBrazen
I would also say a show is misogynist if the female characters all suck, unless the male characters suck too.
I would also say a show is misogynist if the female characters all suck, unless the male characters suck too.
| @Lucifrost So if only the male characters suck would the show be misandrist? If the elder character is poorly written is the show ageist? I can go on for ages with examples but it feels kinda weird you'd judge a show's moral compass based on how well written its characters are. Like if a show was trying to promote feminism and some or all the female characters are shite, does that mean the show is misogynistic regardless? |
Reply to SimplyBrazen
@Lucifrost So if only the male characters suck would the show be misandrist? If the elder character is poorly written is the show ageist? I can go on for ages with examples but it feels kinda weird you'd judge a show's moral compass based on how well written its characters are. Like if a show was trying to promote feminism and some or all the female characters are shite, does that mean the show is misogynistic regardless?
| @SimplyBrazen Yes to everything you asked. |
| その目だれの目？ |
Reply to SimplyBrazen
@Lucifrost Just cuz a trans character is poorly written doesn't make the show transphobic lmao. That's like saying if female characters in a show are poorly written the show is misogynistic. Makes no sense. And femboys are essentially trans.
SimplyBrazen said: And femboys are essentially trans. Luka is not trans. He is just gay SciADV_Maniac said: Luka (with L, not R, R is the incorrect spelling) is gay. He is in love with Okabe. The only reason he wants to he a girl, because she thinks that if he becomes a girl, Okabe will love her back. |
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Reply to SciADV_Maniac
SimplyBrazen said:
And femboys are essentially trans.
And femboys are essentially trans.
Luka is not trans. He is just gay
SciADV_Maniac said:
Luka (with L, not R, R is the incorrect spelling) is gay. He is in love with Okabe. The only reason he wants to he a girl, because she thinks that if he becomes a girl, Okabe will love her back.
Luka (with L, not R, R is the incorrect spelling) is gay. He is in love with Okabe. The only reason he wants to he a girl, because she thinks that if he becomes a girl, Okabe will love her back.
| @SciADV_Maniac I think you need an entirely new term for that cuz that sounds neither trans nor gay, and smh both at the same time. |
Is this a reference to that one parks and rec episode? |
Reply to Hurtingjuice991
Is this a reference to that one parks and rec episode?
| @TommyTheWeeb139 the parks and rec episode is a reference to this |
| Transgender never existed in mainstream of 2011. The steins Gate character never was trans. They were born a guy in og timeline and born a girl in an alt one. The media was made for seinen straight demographic |
Reply to SimplyBrazen
@SciADV_Maniac I think you need an entirely new term for that cuz that sounds neither trans nor gay, and smh both at the same time.
| @SimplyBrazen He is a boy, who is in love with an other boy. That's called gay |
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emryuu said: I have heard that this show is transphobic, iirc the transphobia involves something about Ruka No, not in the slightest |
Reply to AShotOfAwesome
Based on today’s standards, probably. However, Steins Gate was released 15 years ago. We can’t judge it when modern gender theory was only popular in the past 10 years. It’s like criticizing mid-evil doctors for not understanding germs.
If it bothers you, then feel free to skip this. But you’ll be missing out on one of the best time travel stories ever made (also I know a few shows that came out around this time that are far worse).
If it bothers you, then feel free to skip this. But you’ll be missing out on one of the best time travel stories ever made (also I know a few shows that came out around this time that are far worse).
| @AShotOfAwesome And this is why todays standerds suck When things as inoffencive as S;G are getting labled as phobic is when i start to question human sanity |
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