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Is Kill la Kill the single greatest example of why anime is not mainstream?

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Feb 10, 2014 6:47 PM

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bakuramariks said:
I still don't understand why people consider only mature and complex stories and characters good. This doesn't make a show good. Even a simple comedy can be good. Simple slice of life can be good. It has nothing to do with maturity of story and characters. Though they can add to the 'quality', it's not the whole thing and never will mend a series which just doesn't work somehow with the rest. A show is good when it is done right, and everything fits with characters, with music, atmosphere, the story and its genres. Yeah and the direction work. I'm no expert. I don't care what people might say, but maturity, seriousness, complexity doesn't equal quality. Such a show, containing the above, can be butchered up and made seriously awful.


I wish more people would realize this. A good slice-of-life anime that has good characters and successfully achieves what it sets out to do is superior to an anime that thinks its deep or whatever and ends up a convoluted mess.
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Mar 29, 2014 9:40 PM

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LordLagann said:
This is just too mind numbing to continue. We all know where each of us stands on this so nothing needs to be continued from here. When the series ends and everyone who thinks this is actually leading up to something deep and profound will have their answer. I will be pulling up a chair with some cold juice and knowing that every hobbyist fool just had their delusion shattered will scoff quietly into the night.

All we do now is wait.


Mmm, dat cold juice.

*scoffs away*
Mar 30, 2014 3:13 AM
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Who cares if anime is mainstream or not? As long as you enjoy it and have access to it I don't see why it matters. Plus, if it was main stream they would either censor or cut out some of the parts and I have a problem with that. I like to watch an anime how its meant to be watched. Subbed&uncensored. I respect your opinion though!
Mar 30, 2014 7:57 AM

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Hiroyuki91 said:
Who cares if anime is mainstream or not? As long as you enjoy it and have access to it I don't see why it matters. Plus, if it was main stream they would either censor or cut out some of the parts and I have a problem with that. I like to watch an anime how its meant to be watched. Subbed&uncensored. I respect your opinion though!


This ^ As long as you enjoy it everything doesn't matter at all ..!
Apr 8, 2014 2:58 PM
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Idk TC, where I'm from pretty much everyone talks about Anime LOL, although its kinda overshadowed with talks of games mostly League of Legends:D
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Jun 30, 2014 1:48 AM

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TallonKarrde23 said:
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i love the outlandish animation


You mean the ~10 frames per second animation? That's not outlandish - that's some of the worst the industry has ever seen. So, no, actually it is outlandish, but not in any way you could spin to be positive.

I liked both the art style and the animation- honestly i don't stare intensely at the screen to see how many frames are going by when I'm just there to watch the show.
Besides, it's their first anime. Give them a break. That's like criticizing the animation in Zelda the ocarina of time. The game was still great regardless of the 3D modeling, and klk is still great regardless of the frames per second.

You can smoothly animate anything with 50fps, but it doesn't mean anything unless there's a good story or characters.
Jun 30, 2014 5:22 PM

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warriorsftw said:
TallonKarrde23 said:


You mean the ~10 frames per second animation? That's not outlandish - that's some of the worst the industry has ever seen. So, no, actually it is outlandish, but not in any way you could spin to be positive.

I liked both the art style and the animation- honestly i don't stare intensely at the screen to see how many frames are going by when I'm just there to watch the show.
Besides, it's their first anime. Give them a break. That's like criticizing the animation in Zelda the ocarina of time. The game was still great regardless of the 3D modeling, and klk is still great regardless of the frames per second.

You can smoothly animate anything with 50fps, but it doesn't mean anything unless there's a good story or characters.

Please just ignore anything TallonKarrde23 said, he is clearly lacking when it comes to animation knowledge. I mean for one thing he states that 10 fps animation is bad, well actually most scenes in disney movies are animate on 12 fps and Disney is considered the best when it comes to fluid animation. Secondly the amount of fps does equate to the quality of the animation. In the case of kill la kill we're given animation that has a ton of life in it, something the rest of the industry could learn a lot from. And if were referencing Legend of Zelda here, take a look at wind waker, it wasn't nearly as detailed and realistic as a lot of the games that came out at the time, yet it still looks fantastic to this day, while those other games look wretched.

But no we can't gve them a break, because for most of them it's not their first anime, most of them worked at Gainax previously. But that's why we've gotten such a great show, it was a team of really skilled people doing the anime they wanted to make, they knew it wouldn't be to everyone's taste and they didn't care. and clearly it's caught on, definitely one of the most popular animes in north america right now, at anime north the amount of KLK cosplayers was on par with the amount of attack on titan XD
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Reverb_Shock said:
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I think it's good that there are anime like kill la kill that throw maturity out the window, because there are times when I don't want to watch something mature. That said, I can see why some people don't like it, since the fanservice, the ridiculous designs, and the unrefined content might be a bit much for people.



There is no such thing as "objectively bad" in anime. What one person considers "good" another person could consider "bad", there is no right answer. So calling an anime "objectively bad" is just plain wrong.

While stuff like low framerate is considered to be a negative quality by almost everyone, it's not the only thing that makes a anime "good" or "bad". So please don't come back by saying "it's got an objectively bad framerate so it's objectively bad". That ignores things like plot, characters, art style and hilarity, which to most people is a big part of what anime is.
To offer support for his case, the plot, characters, and comedy are absolutely terrible in Kill la Kill.


Kiryuuin, Satsuki is one of the best characters in recent memory. Yuzuki, Ryoka put forth one of the most incredible performances of all time.
Jul 12, 2014 2:08 AM
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KIll la kill is great and it's their problem that isn't mainstream in the west.
Apr 9, 2015 6:17 PM
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This whole thread is fucking shit. If you don't like the show that's fine, but don't be a cunt about it.
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Not gonna read the whole thread because it looks like shit,but I find the amount of hatred KlK gets for it's "fan-service" kinda fun on a site that gives a 8 rating to Elfen Lied.
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What does 60 FPS in anime even look like?
Jun 7, 2017 4:32 PM
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MangaKing said:
What does 60 FPS in anime even look like?

60FPS and 30FPS anime pretty well look exactly the same to human eyes, the whole "if it's not 60FPS then it's bad" meme is just terrible baiting.

Human eyes can not see past 30FPS, this allows people to see 3D events in 60FPS due to having two eyes each seeing at 30FPS.
For flat things like videogames or anime, eyes can not distinguish the key differences that they can in 3D, so we are limited to 30FPS sight only.

I thoroughly enjoyed Kill La Kill because of how quirky, unique, and expressive the characters were~
Despite how I am not a huge fan of action or fight scenes themselves, it was enjoyable seeing how the characters instigated and reacted to these scenes.
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this post didnt aged well....
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How can I say this... well, anime is mainstream now (for sad), but without cool things like this one (for sad)
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