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Mar 17, 6:43 PM
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The character known as "Adolf Hitler" will be appearing with no swastikas anywhere in sight. The character has also been given green hair and eyes, with a blue and yellow outfit, deviating substantially from the manga design. What do you think of this?

Personally, I'm devastated. I read the manga specifically for this one character. I'm not alone in that. This character was a fan favorite to the extent that it seemingly altered the story in some parts. I would have been fine with it if they had just changed the swastikas to crosses or something. This feels more like a redesign that goes way beyond what was necessary. As though they were terrified of even giving Hitler blonde hair or black clothes.

The latest trailer has gotten a lot of backlash, and I'm glad for it. Their post got ratio'd on X, and around half of the comments online generally are complaining about the censorship. A lot of people are asking "why even adapt this if you're afraid of showing Hitler." Will it amount to anything? Probably not. But a man can dream.

Look how they massacred my boy.
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Mar 17, 7:00 PM
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I really dont understand what the problem is with a swastikas when you literally have Hitler himself.
Mar 17, 7:12 PM
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Out of their control.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bans_on_Nazi_symbols

It's what the majority of the world forces.
Mar 17, 7:14 PM
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Hitler had brown hair irl... why are you gonna give him blonde hair?

Just cause of Hitler's ideal was blonde hair with blue eyes.... so what
Mar 17, 7:24 PM
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TiagoCosta said:
Out of their control.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bans_on_Nazi_symbols

It's what the majority of the world forces.

You could just change the swastika to the Iron Cross still retaining the meaning. Just call it the "German Empire". Instead of "Third Reich" or "Nazi Germany".

They showed arm bands of Eldians of AoT in Marley. That hit the mainstream that's reminiscent of Jews wearing arm bands during the Holocaust. If it is a censorship issue 🤷‍♂️
Mar 17, 7:36 PM
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TiagoCosta said:
Out of their control.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bans_on_Nazi_symbols

It's what the majority of the world forces.

You could just change the swastika to the Iron Cross still retaining the meaning. Just call it the "German Empire". Instead of "Third Reich" or "Nazi Germany".

They showed arm bands of Eldians of AoT in Marley. That hit the mainstream that's reminiscent of Jews wearing arm bands during the Holocaust. If it is a censorship issue 🤷‍♂️
@Liental I didn't read the manga, I have no idea how far they gone with the concept.

But as far as I know they literally only shown a single pic of the character, if that meaning is in the character that was given to the character and it's not just a throw away one, that isn't given any development/focus, nothing tells me it's not there still unless the symbol is literally all there is to hitler here(meh if so).
Mar 17, 9:38 PM
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@Liental I didn't read the manga, I have no idea how far they gone with the concept.

But as far as I know they literally only shown a single pic of the character, if that meaning is in the character that was given to the character and it's not just a throw away one, that isn't given any development/focus, nothing tells me it's not there still unless the symbol is literally all there is to hitler here(meh if so).
@TiagoCosta I'm sorry but I have no idea what you're saying here.
Mar 17, 9:51 PM
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So much of Hitler as a historic figure has turned into fantasy for propaganda; I have very little surprise in this news. Kind of funny that Germany, supposedly the heardquarters of "nazis" have the strictest rules against nazi iconography in media. Just another reason I remain very skeptical on "recorded history," and why it is told.
Mar 17, 10:41 PM
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Out of their control.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bans_on_Nazi_symbols

It's what the majority of the world forces.
@TiagoCosta
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The use of Nazi symbols is not a crime in Japan.[citation needed]

It's not out of their control, it's literally their choice for the Western market. They are pathetic.
Mar 17, 10:42 PM

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Out of their control.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bans_on_Nazi_symbols

It's what the majority of the world forces.
@TiagoCosta OP said the character's hair color, eye color, and outfit colors were also changed, which definitely feels like an overreach if the only legal concern was the symbol itself tbh. which I didn't realize and is a disappointment to hear, on the face of it.

(Idk this IP either btw, I am just keeping an eye on this season and it's discussion cuz any anime drama where there's a literal Hitler character oughtta be juicy tbh - I admit to being a contrarian at times, was all the more reason for me to watch Uzaki-chan, Interspecies Reviewers, Redo of Healer, and read Drama Queen)

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Out of their control.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bans_on_Nazi_symbols

It's what the majority of the world forces.
@TiagoCosta

Literally an Oscar winner and an international box office hit. And don't even mention Inglourious Basterds.

Swastikas and Hitler are fine in arts, stupid Japanese.




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@TiagoCosta OP said the character's hair color, eye color, and outfit colors were also changed, which definitely feels like an overreach if the only legal concern was the symbol itself tbh. which I didn't realize and is a disappointment to hear, on the face of it.

(Idk this IP either btw, I am just keeping an eye on this season and it's discussion cuz any anime drama where there's a literal Hitler character oughtta be juicy tbh - I admit to being a contrarian at times, was all the more reason for me to watch Uzaki-chan, Interspecies Reviewers, Redo of Healer, and read Drama Queen)
@MoonSpider Don't just take my word for it. Left is the original, right is the anime. The original outfit is black, clearly inspired by Nazi uniforms. The new one is dark blue with yellow accents. Now it's a generic military uniform that could also pass as a train conductor's uniform.

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OzenEnthusiast said:
The character known as "Adolf Hitler" will be appearing with no swastikas anywhere in sight. The character has also been given green hair and eyes, with a blue and yellow outfit, deviating substantially from the manga design. What do you think of this?

Personally, I'm devastated. I read the manga specifically for this one character. I'm not alone in that. This character was a fan favorite to the extent that it seemingly altered the story in some parts. I would have been fine with it if they had just changed the swastikas to crosses or something. This feels more like a redesign that goes way beyond what was necessary. As though they were terrified of even giving Hitler blonde hair or black clothes.

The latest trailer has gotten a lot of backlash, and I'm glad for it. Their post got ratio'd on X, and around half of the comments online generally are complaining about the censorship. A lot of people are asking "why even adapt this if you're afraid of showing Hitler." Will it amount to anything? Probably not. But a man can dream.

Look how they massacred my boy.

Reading/watching specifically for that character 🚩🚩🚩🚩
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Don’t forget my favorite rendition,

The Abominable Starfish Hitler
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TiagoCosta said:
Out of their control.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bans_on_Nazi_symbols

It's what the majority of the world forces.

You could just change the swastika to the Iron Cross still retaining the meaning. Just call it the "German Empire". Instead of "Third Reich" or "Nazi Germany".

They showed arm bands of Eldians of AoT in Marley. That hit the mainstream that's reminiscent of Jews wearing arm bands during the Holocaust. If it is a censorship issue 🤷‍♂️
@Liental

Contrary to popular belief, Germany does in-fact not ban the depiction of Nazi imagery in art.
Swastikas are used all the time in German media, half of their domestic film industry concerns itself with that era anyway.
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It's really pathetic
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Unwatchable now.

Mar 18, 6:48 AM
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@KisssChuss Sure but I'm pretty sure it's heavily denounced from the atrocities that they did. if you were to ask a german what are their thoughts of Nazi Germany are? They'll tell you that it was a bad time of Germany's history. It's never talked about in a good light. (Unless you're on twitter but that's a whole other convo in itself) This gets into the idea of history is written by the victors since had Hitler had won WW2 we would be speaking german and see the Third Reich as a renaissance instead of how it's viewed negatively.

Same thing that Japan doesn't teach WW2 in classrooms as much as other countries. Where you could argue Japan had it's own version of the holocaust with unit 731 that is not widely known since it's not as infamous as the holocaust. Where they were conducting human experiments on people. The victims being Russian, Chinese, and Koreans. Even after surrendering the war, once it was found out of this secret unit. The United States negotiated in getting the research from Japan (they were trying to scrub the research by burning it etc.) in return not holding the researchers accountable for their inhumane practices. The research was great for the next step of learning about biological warfare. (If you have ever wondered why Biological Weapons are included with Weapons of Mass Destruction banned from being used in War. Just from the research alone.)

Example:
Live victims were operated without anesthesia. Cutting open their bodies. Forced an infection of various pathogens into their body. Then study their bodies as it slowly deteriorates from the pathogens they got infected with. Usually dying by the end once the experiment is concluded.

All this to say that westerners still find swastikas controversial and I think the censorship comes from a mindset of just playing it safe instead of being edgy. Whether it comes from a middle man like a distributor or consultant department. I have no idea. The only other anime that comes to mind in relation to having the same imagery is Saga of Tanya the Evil but I haven't watched it yet.
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question is, if it was okay visual to print and distribute why was it now censored and revised in the anime adaptation. surely this is just some distributor issue that already sees the iconography as unmarketable even domestically. the mangaka also has the say in what they'd approve and could've probably contested it but garnered little support and pressure by production heads who must've convinced the mangaka otherwise.

but they already had included hitler as a character and through dialogue and name alone they can just "pretend" the icon is a swastika and continue on.

if stuff like this progress it means we live in a post post war (or pre-war) era that really avoids that visual compared to animes back then who could depict these even for animes meant for kids.


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Liental said:
The only other anime that comes to mind in relation to having the same imagery is Saga of Tanya the Evil but I haven't watched it yet.

Fairly certain there was no imagery like that in the actual series (it's been a handful of years for me tbh), but pretty sure it was a tech-fantasy AU of WWI, not WWII. But of course, the loli protag is in a military uniform and is pretty damn evil in some of her actions, so that's why you'll see the comparison being drawn in comment sections and stuff. I personally watched Chibi Reviews' coverage, and like 3/4 of the comments I saw were Tanya jokes iirc.

OzenEnthusiast said:
@MoonSpider Don't just take my word for it. Left is the original, right is the anime. The original outfit is black, clearly inspired by Nazi uniforms. The new one is dark blue with yellow accents. Now it's a generic military uniform that could also pass as a train conductor's uniform.

Yeah, I can see that, sadly. Is there also some canon confirmation you can give me for the hair and eye color change? Because that's the claim that seems the most excessive and uncalled for to me... and obviously the manga panel being shown here is in black & white...

KingofDingos3 said:
Reading/watching specifically for that character 🚩🚩🚩🚩

idk man, don't judge - I'm new to the IP, but they are still just a character after all. Could be some great gags, hype moments, and/or character development. If this depiction of the H-man really was a fan-favorite, I'd assume it's for a reason other than being edgy.
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Tokyo Revengers somehow did not had this problem and just released censored and uncensored versions.
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Generally surprised people get upset over this. I hope these forums don't turn into a shitshow.
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