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May 1, 2023 11:37 AM

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Snake vs Thorfinn was clean. The way they basically complimented each other was also really good!

I do wonder about Snake's backstory though... He has a curved sword. Does that mean he's from the Middle East? I don't think he should've killed Gardar but from his POV it was completely justified.

Man. I feel bad about Gardar. Living life as a slave while not knowing what happened to his wife and son was very cruel. And right when he thought he got his life back it was taken from him. He was not the rampaging psychopath when he died. Maybe he'll find peace in his death.
Faxtual_Ghoul said:
It's been a while, I have watched something so ineffably sublime

The fact that they were able to make such an insignificant minor character so engrossing that even 90% Shounen Protagonists look like Subaru or Eren , it assures me that maybe MAPPA will be befitting for remake of Tokyo Ghoul

Ample Seinen Anime are getting traction this season and they all deserve it more than the abomination called Attack on Titan, Demon Slayer and even Hell's Paradise which is just an ersatz of Made in Abyss
Tokyo Ghoul sucks though. Hope Mappa won't waste their time with that crap. And Subaru > Kaneke magi.
May 1, 2023 11:37 AM
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What an episode, holy shit that might've been arguably the best episode of the season like wow.
May 1, 2023 11:38 AM

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graywolf0 said:
2 min fight only ffs? and 1 whole episode dedicated to the death of someone who they just introduced in the story...
qxkutu said:
the episode was fucking bad i love every second till this episode came
Pyoung said:
This was the first episode that I didn't like that much. I don't think they needed to dedicate a whole episode to some guys death that we just met. It felt a bit like filler. Was this even in the manga? OH well I'm sure things will become great again next week. The initial fight scene was amazing too.


my disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined 

yes he wasn't an important character, but I don't think I'm the only one who thought the episode was a masterclass despite of that. it's actually impressive how impactful and well done his death was. it made me and I'm sure many others feel so many emotions for a character that none of us really cared about before now.

this is at least in the top 5 best episodes of the entire show. 
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May 1, 2023 11:38 AM

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while Gardars death was well done, i think it took more screentime than needed, im more interested on the consequences that Thorfin an Einar are about to face
May 1, 2023 11:40 AM

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Faxtual_Ghoul said:
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Respect Attack on Titan dude.
Attack on Titan is the nadir of literature in my personal rankings
I have encountered something so appalling that it induces vomit 
Big brain detected. Opinion Rejected.
May 1, 2023 11:40 AM
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fuck I don't remember getting so emotional while reading the manga I was over here bawling my eyes out during this episode. 

May 1, 2023 11:40 AM

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One sad episode that remember is the focus of the show is no more the action side (the fight was short and with no real winner) but the characters development not only in Thorfinn. A long goodbye to Gardar. Curious how Mappa manage with the final part of the arc (I imagine one more episode for Gardar and Arnheid’s story and finally after the last part).


May 1, 2023 11:45 AM

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Quite a strong episode. They took their time with Gardars departure and it paid off. And it seems that the ship is gonna arrive next episode so we are not slowing down a bit it seems.
May 1, 2023 11:49 AM
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„It was Perfect.“ - Homelander
May 1, 2023 11:49 AM
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Before I read this thread, I already know that there will be people who will call the second half of this episode a snoozefest..
May 1, 2023 11:53 AM

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extremely bad, just terrible, watching some random homeless dude die for the entire episode, snake vs thorfinn was the only good part but forgettable
May 1, 2023 11:56 AM

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KeyYamBow said:
Before I read this thread, I already know that there will be people who will call the second half of this episode a snoozefest..
Those people are regular costomer. They criticise Vinland Saga every week in one way or another.

Just like the person above me.
May 1, 2023 11:57 AM

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0451 said:
I do wonder about Snake's backstory though... He has a curved sword. Does that mean he's from the Middle East? I don't think he should've killed Gardar but from his POV it was completely justified.
He has served in the Varangian guard. I don't remember if it was ever conclusively stated in the manga or just implied, but in this episode he refers to himself as "warrior of Miklagård" in his thoughts.
May 1, 2023 11:58 AM

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I don't remember crying this hard in the manga. The symbolism and the metaphors used in Gardar's death were amazing. That long road that got colder as it progressed and ended up with Gardar reuniting with his son, who became his north after 5 years of hell in life as a slave, was just too much for me. And as others have pointed out in previous threads, the VA of Arnheid is killing it. Another masterpiece episode from my POV, Mappa is killing it with this adaptation, gotta give props where they are due.

May 1, 2023 11:59 AM
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ZXEAN said:
KeyYamBow said:
Before I read this thread, I already know that there will be people who will call the second half of this episode a snoozefest..
Those people are regular costomer. They criticise Vinland Saga every week in one way or another.

Just like the person above me.


Right?! Like it's episode SEVENTEEN, if you don't like the show why are you still here?!
May 1, 2023 12:01 PM
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Apolygon2 said:
graywolf0 said:
2 min fight only ffs? and 1 whole episode dedicated to the death of someone who they just introduced in the story...
qxkutu said:
the episode was fucking bad i love every second till this episode came
Pyoung said:
This was the first episode that I didn't like that much. I don't think they needed to dedicate a whole episode to some guys death that we just met. It felt a bit like filler. Was this even in the manga? OH well I'm sure things will become great again next week. The initial fight scene was amazing too.


my disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined 

yes he wasn't an important character, but I don't think I'm the only one who thought the episode was a masterclass despite of that. it's actually impressive how impactful and well done his death was. it made me and I'm sure many others feel so many emotions for a character that none of us really cared about before now.

this is at least in the top 5 best episodes of the entire show. 
Those people are just totally emptyheaded. They're not even coming up with arguments. Just arbitrary claims about how devoting time to side characters is bad for....some reason. They only care about action. 
May 1, 2023 12:03 PM

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Man, the chills during Snake and Thorfinn duel was just otherwordly. The pure hand to hand moves, the music, the crisp animation.. JUST PERFECT!! The buildup and wait was 100% worth it🔥
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May 1, 2023 12:04 PM
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Who else bawled their eyes out over this episode? Can't be just me.
May 1, 2023 12:05 PM
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best episode so far, made cry a lot
May 1, 2023 12:06 PM

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i can barely see what i'm typing because i'm crying so hard. this was a masterpiece and i've never seen such a beautiful send off. wow.
May 1, 2023 12:06 PM
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Best one yet, straight peak
May 1, 2023 12:08 PM

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Zukan123 said:
extremely bad, just terrible, watching some random homeless dude die for the entire episode, snake vs thorfinn was the only good part but forgettable

the people complaining about stuff like that this season, are the prime example of you missed the fucking point

if you want action, there are shows with far more and better action than vinland saga. 


redline, akudama drive, or mob psycho 100, are 3 great or better shows that have plenty of action. they aren't even necessarily worse than vinland. go watch something that actually has what you are looking for. if this episode didn't do it for you, this show is probably just not the best anime for you. it has action, but not enough to be worth watching over other action anime.

it's like watching steins;gate for the romance, or watching my hero academia for social commentary. it certainly exists, but they are certainly not the selling point.
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May 1, 2023 12:09 PM

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Mechdemon421 said:
It just sad to see how humans are.
if you think it's only humanity you're wrong. we just have the ability to lament it and try to change. but the animal kingdom is a truly terrifying place with even greater atrocities.
May 1, 2023 12:10 PM
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watching ep 17's intro after ep 16's ending made me appreciate fight scenes more. the attention to detail in animation, each character's individual monologue, mappa's done so well developing a short-lived but crucial character like Snake into the story. Arnheid is such a sweet lady, couldn't help but feel like crying while she rode off with Gardar; lots of material to unpack in this ep.
May 1, 2023 12:15 PM

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It was emotional af
May 1, 2023 12:15 PM
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i havent cried to an anime episode this hard in a long time. this was a masterpeice of an episode.




May 1, 2023 12:19 PM
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Beautiful absolutely Beautiful
But sad as well RIP Gardar.
May 1, 2023 12:23 PM
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So all this was for nothing.

My man gardar took a full episode to die lmao

The episode was great nonetheless, with good animation and i think we can say the first fight was the best anime duel of the year, do you guys agree?
May 1, 2023 12:25 PM
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Inugirlz said:
My level of sympathy for Snake is less than zero. I honestly want to like the man but his stubbornness and that tantrum about his men was just beyond selfish. Your men's lives aren't and weren't worth shit. Most if not all of them were cruel, careless and idiotic. They deserved what they got.
to snake's point why should Gardar's life be much more worth than them? what is the reason for it? 
May 1, 2023 12:31 PM

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Thorfinn vs Snake was pretty intense. Seeing Throfinn dodging all those attacks while unarmed was quite a feat. Reflexes and muscle memory are still going strong. Apparently, the anime took the liberty to confirm that Snake used to be in Constantinople as he called himself "Miklagard warrior" so he was most likely in the Varangian Guard but he probably **cked up and left the Empire.

Gotta agree with the some of the people here. Gardar going through self-reflection in his last moments and regretting his life choices and never learning about his son's fate was pretty tragic and emotional. But, they really unecessarily stretched it out. It didn't really have to go through the whole 2nd half for that. It was just too much...

Anyway, Arnheid's escape failed... The next episode is going to be really hard to watch...
May 1, 2023 12:35 PM
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Best Episode yet, i had goosebumps the whole episode.
May 1, 2023 12:36 PM
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they were his men !!! what was he even supposed to do? let garder go? lol, snake is totally correct on his opinion
May 1, 2023 12:38 PM

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Inugirlz said:
My level of sympathy for Snake is less than zero. I honestly want to like the man but his stubbornness and that tantrum about his men was just beyond selfish. Your men's lives aren't and weren't worth shit. Most if not all of them were cruel, careless and idiotic. They deserved what they got.
to snake's point why should Gardar's life be much more worth than them? what is the reason for it? 
Well, to begin with killing Gardar isn't going to bring back his men so the discussion of worth is odd.

If people were honest with themselves they'd be able to answer that. Gardar was a slave that was treated badly and just defended himself at every turn. If you try to kill/hurt someone, I'm sorry but you should be prepared to get killed/hurt back. Originally no one from their party was hurt or affected by Gardar escaping. They chose to take up the job to hunt him for the pay (i.e. 3 horses). And funnily enough despite the pay being 3 horses Snake, KILLED one of their own horses just to dismount him (now the reason for them getting involved in the first place is somewhat compromised. At this point it's less about the job and more about revenge).

They started it. It isn't truly about "worth" since no one can really rank themselves over another without it being selfish or biased but if they were honest with themselves they'd know who is truly in the wrong. Treat others how you want to be treated. Any of them could've been a slave. 
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May 1, 2023 12:50 PM
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RIP Gardar you were truly building diffrent and you have died with honor. Funny thing that i was thinking that Thorfinn vs Snake was main dish today and it was only appetizer for Gardar. Btw am i only one who love those closeups on hands? Those hands that saw work?
May 1, 2023 12:54 PM
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Inugirlz said:
ogking31 said:
to snake's point why should Gardar's life be much more worth than them? what is the reason for it? 
Well, to begin with killing Gardar isn't going to bring back his men so the discussion of worth is odd.

If people were honest with themselves they'd be able to answer that. Gardar was a slave that was treated badly and just defended himself at every turn. If you try to kill/hurt someone, I'm sorry but you should be prepared to get killed/hurt back. Originally no one from their party was hurt or affected by Gardar escaping. They chose to take up the job to hunt him for the pay (i.e. 3 horses). And funnily enough despite the pay being 3 horses Snake, KILLED one of their own horses just to dismount him (now the reason for them getting involved in the first place is somewhat compromised. At this point it's less about the job and more about revenge).

They started it. It isn't truly about "worth" since no one can really rank themselves over another without it being selfish or biased but if they were honest with themselves they'd know who is truly in the wrong. Treat others how you want to be treated. Any of them could've been a slave. 
Hence why to snake's point why should Gardar's life be spared when he has killed 5 of his men? In fact Gardar started the whole rampage and yes it was him trying to be free and finding arnheid. But to Snake's point of view why should his life be spared at that point? he's willing to kill any people and Ketil. 


This point makes no sense when it comes to morality. Whether Gardar was enslave or not, his consequences leads to punishment and a trade off aka his life. 
May 1, 2023 12:58 PM

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very epic fight and then sad shit man, but looks like gardar's story is over and now it's finally gonna starting going down man i can't wait
May 1, 2023 1:05 PM
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This episode holds a very emotional place in my heart. Seeing thorfin taking the nostalgic fight stance and the fight between him and hebbi was marvellous. Gardar getting flashbacks of his past and his earnest wish to meet his only son hjalthi makes one too emo. Moreover this episode had everything fight, heartbreak and pain. how good a family they had and seeing them falling apart like this really makes my heart cry.....
May 1, 2023 1:13 PM
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Prepare to cry!!!
May 1, 2023 1:16 PM
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I simply could not care less about Garad, sadly a side character spent a whole episode on, dying around 3 times and I still did not care for him a single minute. The problem is, you can absolutely feel the skill of the team and time and effort they went into creating this character... but simply wasted.
May 1, 2023 1:21 PM
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Thorfinn still got it some skills despite not having fought in a long time. Wya to show Snake who you are!

Gardar is a beast! Glad he gave Snake what he deserved even on the brink of death but……

That ending was so sad…how Arnheid and Thorfinn went along with the illusion of Gardar going back home to his child, even though they knew he wasn’t going to make it… and the Old Master being kind to him and giving him the wagon.

So many people in this universe face so many tragedies. Gardar and Arnheid just wanted to live a happy life with their family, but were torn through the realities of war. Gardar didn’t want to leave his family, but faced the guilt as a result of his actions.

RIP Gardar, you went out a champ, fighting for the woman you loved.

Arnheid now has to face the death of her baby and now Gardar. Hopefully she doesn’t face abuse from all of this.
May 1, 2023 1:24 PM
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MAPPA truly made Gardar's death more impactful with all that anime original content; in the manga he just dies five pages after attempting to strangle Snake but it certainly is highly unrealistic for a person to survive for that long with such severe injuries.

Agree, but I won’t blame them for it. They really took it a notch above the source material in the emotional impact of the piece
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May 1, 2023 1:24 PM
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again, the piano´s solo was amazing, marking the rhythm and the drama!!! kekeke

I love the image when Gardar arrived at home with his son!!! sad too!!!
May 1, 2023 1:29 PM
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no reason to care about a new character that killed a couple of people. His strenght isnt plausible too.
May 1, 2023 1:38 PM

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What a fight between thorfinn and snake that was really good 10/10 and i must say that was so dramatic and sad for arnheid that they show us the nicest moments of gardars life with his son.
That was great.
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May 1, 2023 1:38 PM
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lmfaooo rip bozo  
May 1, 2023 1:42 PM
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This shit made me cry. Literally choked on my food just to hold back the tears
May 1, 2023 1:43 PM

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That's a ton of original content for an episode. Gardar's death was really dramatic here
May 1, 2023 1:43 PM
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Wow... Well done Mappa
May 1, 2023 1:44 PM

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This was one of the dullest, most dragged out episodes of anything I have ever seen.
Did anyone really give that much of a shit about Gardar to warrant this? He's only just arrived!

Boring boring boring. At least it looks like the ships arrive next episode and things might pick up, it needs it.
May 1, 2023 1:48 PM
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I’m man enough to admit I ugly cried for a solid 15 minutes straight, kudos to the staff for bringing us yet another phenomenal, emotional episode and adding heart wrenching anime original content. You could feel the heart and soul put into it, they truly care for this series just as much as us die hard fans. I pray they receive the funds to continue adapting this story through to the end, it deserves a full adaptation.
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