Sebastian Jensen has posted a huge set of graphs on Substack based on nearly 4,000 national IQ and national school achievement test (e.g., PISA) scores from around the world. How have they been changing over time?
Changes in relative cognitive performance across nations
SEBASTIAN JENSEN
JUN 05, 2024
Here’s the data for the US. It looks to show a very slight upward trend since 1940, but basically flat.
He produced these graphs for many dozens of countries, so international investors might want to look through them to see if anything stands out. For example, Serbia is less of a laggard within Europe than it used to be:
I don’t know if this data can be used to make money, but at minimum, it appears time to update your Serbian stereotypes.
Turkey did well around the turn of the century:
Note that some of these tests can be gamed by not inviting the dumb kids to take them (e.g., Vietnam and Mexico had low percentages of their 15 year olds take their recent PISA tests, while the honest Dutch had 101% of the expected cohort show up.) So don’t invest money based on this data without looking hard at specific datapoints.
Subsaharan Africa overall looks pretty flat:
Kenya and Botswana do well for sub-Saharan countries with average scores around 79.
iSteve topic: White Fortressing
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-06-04/mulberry-st-george-city-secessions-foster-modern-day-segregation
I find this axiom to be utterly without merit, and in fact morally offensive.
Rather it seems to me that the core moral principle is the right to defect. You do not have the right to other people's stuff nor to compel their labor. But your entitled--if capable--to withdraw from a community--not making demands upon it--and make your own way, or make community with like minded people.
A key principle for adults is "do I need you? am I demanding something from you? If I'm making demands upon you, then you can make reciprocal demands upon me. But if you are capable of, willing to doing without anyone person/group then it is their demands upon you that are morally unsupported, illegitimate.
I think it is critical to get white people's minds out of the minoritarian rut. The simple reality is whites do not need any minorities around to provide for themselves and create decent, prosperous, pleasant communities and nations. Whites are entitled to look after their own interests--just like blacks or Jews do--and make community, with the norms that they find congenial with anyone they wish.Replies: @Diversity Heretic, @ic1000, @Inspector Grant, @Anonymous
Well, I suppose to a lefty, 'opportunities' are like flatulence. Better out than in.
Did I do it right?Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
No one is "left behind" or somehow denied opportunities.
This is a blatant illustration of the "Blacks have no agency" underlying racism of White leftists and their fake research.
Anyone can make money here, which is why millions from all over the globe rush to get in.
People are free to move and make money, etc.
The fact that some people are smarter and work harder (usually both) and live in nicer areas isn't some plot to keep others out. Just look at the non White celebrities and performers who have made millions. Where do they move to? Why?
To leftist fake researchers, it's always someone else's fault for people who live in bad areas. Not their own. Downtown SF, formerly an elite area, is now a shithole, literally, and the original population is leaving.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/28/us/louisiana-st-george.html
This is how it began.P.S. Steve, thanks for posting this IQ data. Hopefully there can be some on topic discussion of it.Replies: @Frau Katze, @Anonymous
https://www.unz.com/isteve/national-iq-trends-over-the-decades/#comment-6605024Replies: @Frau Katze
Some parts of any polity have more revenue (e.g. higher property tax income) and less need for city services (e.g., lower crime so less police spending; kids in private school so no need for public school spending). These areas will always have an incentive to seceed if that means taking their tax revenues with them while getting out of paying for other people's services.
Taken to absurdity this process would keep fragmenting the city until it was a bunch of separate rich enclaves and a bunch of broke dirt poor slums.
In California there is some statewide law governing the process for secession. It arose out of the abortive movement for the San Fernando Valley to seceed from LA. It's super complicated but one aspect is that there has to be some revenue sharing arrangement so that a richer area can't just impoverish the rest of the city by simply taking their football (tax revenue) and going away.
Leaving aside the financial issue, the most legitimate reason to seceed is to get more local control over local priorities. Corruption, waste and incompetence proliferate in direct proportion to the size of a government.Replies: @Frau Katze
The individual data points for the US look to me like a pretty shapeless trendless cloud.
Regarding the more recent spread, looks like that is mostly a result of looking at different subtests. The US is not very good at math.
What do the blue and yellow lines represent, besides Go Ukraine?
Maybe it’s dysgenic births balanced out by eugenic legal immigration, with the children of illegal immigrants less likely to show up for the test.
The socially and politically interesting feature is not the limited time-series variation WITHIN countries but the large cross-sectional variation ACROSS countries (and across continents). That important feature can be missed by just graphing the individual country time series. The important feature is variation across countries (and particularly across racial ancestries) not across time. Note the big variation in the midpoint of the graphs as you look across the various time series graphs.
A wag once noted that Israel’s means IQ is 92; yet a 92 IQ surprisingly equals 800/800 on the SATs
This is a pretty good example of the underlying axiom of minoritarianism, that minorities are entitled to access the stuff that whites create.
I find this axiom to be utterly without merit, and in fact morally offensive.
Rather it seems to me that the core moral principle is the right to defect. You do not have the right to other people’s stuff nor to compel their labor. But your entitled–if capable–to withdraw from a community–not making demands upon it–and make your own way, or make community with like minded people.
A key principle for adults is “do I need you? am I demanding something from you? If I’m making demands upon you, then you can make reciprocal demands upon me. But if you are capable of, willing to doing without anyone person/group then it is their demands upon you that are morally unsupported, illegitimate.
I think it is critical to get white people’s minds out of the minoritarian rut. The simple reality is whites do not need any minorities around to provide for themselves and create decent, prosperous, pleasant communities and nations. Whites are entitled to look after their own interests–just like blacks or Jews do–and make community, with the norms that they find congenial with anyone they wish.
Are the increases in Serbia and Turkey because people are thinking more like modern test takers ? or because of better nutrition ?
These days a Turk is as tall as a Russian, and all mongoloids are taller than Latinos.
https://www.worlddata.info/average-bodyheight.php
Cognition is less linear, and surely is influenced by pollution, smartphone use, drug use rates, political and social stress levels and so on. But it would be impossible for it to not be influenced by nutrition as well. Albeit it could be quite possible for certain types of corporate foods to produce "big but dim" populations.
Your graph of Turkey squares with what I saw on my recent–and first–visit. Granted I was only on the ground in the Istanbul metro area. Definitely not Northern Europe. But the amount of activity, for instance the level of and quality of construction, suggest a reasonably capable people. The graph suggests that they have been gradually improving and pushing closer to realizing the innate capabilities of their people.
Turkey’s a middle income country with a GDP per-capita a bit lower than Mexico. But if Turkey and Mexico were ever fighting a war … I know how I’d bet.
Neither one is stable, however. Turkey faces a risk of fundamentalism while Mexico is overrun with the cartels.
Russia had a rise that is pretty significant. That must be due to an improvement in the overall conditions in the country, allowing the population to reach its potential.
Turkey's a middle income country with a GDP per-capita a bit lower than Mexico. But if Turkey and Mexico were ever fighting a war ... I know how I'd bet.Replies: @Twinkie, @NJ Transit Commuter, @prosa123, @Peter Akuleyev
Developmentally, Turkey reminds me in some ways of the 1970’s-1980’s South Korea, but with increasing fundamentalist Islamization instead of increasing Protestant Christianization.
One thing to keep in mind about these charts – they denote birth cohorts.
By the way, judging from the robust upward trend Israel has, I suspect it’s doing a good job of increasing the cognitive capabilities of its non-Ashkenazi population.
There is hope for boosting fertility rates – even in desperately low South Korea
One of the two churches has a TFR three times the national average, albeit that is still not much above 2.1. The other (read past the banner subscription appeal, which can trick one into thinking the article is over) has bumped up its medium-sized city's total figure to just over 1.0.
Korea's Christians, both Protestant and Catholic, are less fecund than Buddhists and the secular. Is this because they are more successful?
From the same site, China shows what real-- and successful-- "anti-Semitism" looks like, and a video tweet of Queers for Palestine disrupting a Pride parade.Replies: @Twinkie, @guest007
Given the population dynamic, this increase isn't due to the Ashkenazi high fertility, so Israel has experienced a decent Flynn Effect among its non-Ashkenazi populations that had been an IQ drag.
No one else noted this?Replies: @Ralph L, @Bardon Kaldian, @Ghost of Bull Moose, @res
“As researchers on racial equity”
In other words, as “researchers” we have already begun by granting our own prior assumptions, viz inter alia that something called “racial equity” is an actual thing, just like a leprechaun is an actual thing; which means to any serious person that we are, a priori, not intellectually serious people, but rather activists who don’t care what the landscape actually looks like in reality, so long as we get what we want.
‘Opportunity hoarding’.
Well, I suppose to a lefty, ‘opportunities’ are like flatulence. Better out than in.
Not looking to be rude or intrusive here, so ignore if you so choose, but I kind of think that Steve should do a Taylor Swift thread in light of her most recent, and really rather shocking, release.
I’m sort of way too old and too disaffected to be a dedicated Taylor fan, or an anything-fan for that matter; but I do remember the strange cultural electricity which followed the release of “Daydream Nation” or “Double Nickels on the Dime,” …that feeling that Finally! Somebody is saying it out loud! and I get that kind of sense with this new zany Taylor record. It seems epochal in some weird regard.
If nothing else, I am having a popcorn-munching good time watching and listening to all the don’t-touch-my-hair racialist POC obsessives having an old-fashioned meltdown at the thought that this pretty, skinny, rather talented white chick has put out a record sort of detailing her own meltdown, and that she would have the nerve to think that her own feelings mattered (girlfriend! What. The!!?), and also that her large audience also thought that her feelings mattered.
Seems like it’s worth a chat.
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I can‘t tell if you’re joking. I was a big fan of both bands at the time, and the „cultural electricity“ was limited to the maybe tens of thousands of overeducated white kids who played in bands and listened to college radio. Completely niche and hard to compare in any way with the Taylor Swift phenomenon. Imagine Johnny Carson making a joke about Sonic Youth in 1988. The audience would have just stared at him uncomprehending. I don’t think even Letterman’s audience was clued in for the most part. (they only got onto Letterman on the strength of the more commercial „Dirty“ in 1992).
changes in relative IQ of pundits over the years.
entire world: observes what Disney is doing to Star Wars, and all their other properties.
Steve : “It’s the Protestants.”
Perhaps the most striking fact gleaned from these tables is the spectacularly unimpressive performance of the Indian subcontinent. Never mend Africa, no serious person ever included them in the game, but the crucial point is that the American political class has bought into the Indian success story to an absolutely enormous extent – in fact they bet the farm on it.
The idea being that India would be the counter point to a rising China. And of course, the politicians are also planning on mass Indian immigration to the west.
how did investing become a part of this post? and besides, if you’re not buying Nvidia and other semiconductor companies, or at least buying something like the Van Eck semiconductor fund SMH (up 40% for the year so far), you’re too stupid to be investing anyway. buy VOO and call it good.
as for the apparent increasing intelligence of some of the second rate nations in europe, it could literally be because a lot of the dumb people have moved out, to the better countries in europe, raising the average intelligence of the people who stayed behind. people doing well don’t usually move out. it’s the dumb people leaving their nations and moving to ‘The West’ en masse.
something similar happened with the Atlantic slave trade. ‘The West’ got the less intelligent africans. in some cases – really, really less intelligent. the US is currently collecting most of the dumbest people in Mexico and central America.
Skimming the charts in the paper, declines in IQ are commonplace this century for the big European immigrant reception countries like France, Germany. The author notes that Sweden kept its IQ tests up recently by excluding some immigrants. Anyway, over time apples have been diversified with incoming oranges in ‘The North’ so time series deductions must be accordingly qualified. ‘Are they sending us their best?’ now testable pretty formally thanks to this data assembly?
As a good part of the country once discovered, if you don’t have the freedom to secede, you don’t have freedom, period.
Given the increasing racial diversity of our country, wouldn’t this suggest the USA is actually doing pretty well? Or do the studies control for changes in demographics?
There’s also some evidence that less-educated women tend to have higher birthrates. I’d assume that this should be lowering the population average, but perhaps there’s some degree of “regression to the mean”?
What do you think?
I find this axiom to be utterly without merit, and in fact morally offensive.
Rather it seems to me that the core moral principle is the right to defect. You do not have the right to other people's stuff nor to compel their labor. But your entitled--if capable--to withdraw from a community--not making demands upon it--and make your own way, or make community with like minded people.
A key principle for adults is "do I need you? am I demanding something from you? If I'm making demands upon you, then you can make reciprocal demands upon me. But if you are capable of, willing to doing without anyone person/group then it is their demands upon you that are morally unsupported, illegitimate.
I think it is critical to get white people's minds out of the minoritarian rut. The simple reality is whites do not need any minorities around to provide for themselves and create decent, prosperous, pleasant communities and nations. Whites are entitled to look after their own interests--just like blacks or Jews do--and make community, with the norms that they find congenial with anyone they wish.Replies: @Diversity Heretic, @ic1000, @Inspector Grant, @Anonymous
Your last paragraph is as good a summarization of white identitarianism as I’ve ever seen. Kudos, sir! The only one that rivals it came from Greg Hood: “They need us. We don’t need them. We never did. We would be better off without them.”
Unfortunately, whites are so invested in “minoritarianism” that they may simply become extinct.
Turkey's a middle income country with a GDP per-capita a bit lower than Mexico. But if Turkey and Mexico were ever fighting a war ... I know how I'd bet.Replies: @Twinkie, @NJ Transit Commuter, @prosa123, @Peter Akuleyev
Was on a business trip to Ìstanbul and was talking to a Turkish coworker on a long drive along the Black Sea coast. We were taking about the troubles in the Middle East and I remarked, “I bet Turkey is glad you don’t have all of the troubled parts of the world you did during the Ottoman days.” My colleague replied, “If we still controlled those things parts of the world, there wouldn’t be any troubles.” I thought he was joking but once glance at the stern look on his face made me realize he was dead serious…
https://www.rebeccablacklaw.com/trump-proposes-minimum-wage-for-h1b-holders-of-250000/
Imagine that. If Trump got a second term, we could’ve filtered out 95% (!!!) of H1b foreign workers.
Sometimes, I kind of wish that the Democrats hadn’t stolen the 2020 election.
What could’ve been….
Oh well.
Many on the right like to wallow in defeatism,. For them, half a loaf is no better than no loaf at all. Ann Coulter denouncesTrump for not building the wall. She acts like he did nothing. He certainly tried to get it done against political opposition from his own party as well as the opposition, and in fact got over 400 miles of it completed. Nevertheless, Ann can't forgive him. (I think the real problem is that he referred to her as "a wacky nut job" for her haranguing him about it).
Another thing Trump did that the naysayers have either forgotten or never knew is that Trump put a stall on the AFFH program to force low-income housing into the suburbs, which the Democrats would dearly love to do. Also, Trump rejected the plan in Obama's "Dear Colleague" letter that pushed schools to go above and beyond to promote diversity. Trump also sought to revoke Obama's rule that schools not disciple blacks disproportionately to their percentage of the school population--a blueprint for chaos.
For those who want cites:
https://nlihc.org/resource/trump-administration-eliminates-affirmatively-furthering-fair-housing-rule-nlihc-and-other
https://www.edweek.org/education/trump-withdraws-obama-era-guidance-on-racial-diversity-in-k-12-higher-ed/2018/07
https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/national-international/trumps-school-safety-panel-report-school-discipline/2044461/
https://www.dhs.gov/news/2020/10/29/dhs-and-cbp-celebrate-400-miles-new-border-wall-systemReplies: @Ralph L, @Reg Cæsar, @Rick P
Nayib Bukele and Tucker Carlson. The heroes that we need, but not the heroes that we deserve.
Imagine if you got up tomorrow and Tucker Carlson was your president. Immediately, your standard of living would increase dramatically. You and your descendants would have a wonderful future ahead. So many issues (crime, immigration, social breakdown, overdoses) would be fixed so quickly.
Let’s hope that Donald J. Trump does the right thing and selects Tucker Carlson for Vice-President…
By the way, there are some really powerful people out there who literally perform Satanic rituals and human sacrifices. This something that I’ve warning you about for years…
Isn’t there increasing evidence that the Woodley effect has replaced the Flynn effect in this country and average IQ is now declining? How can it not decline when we have been subsidizing the having of children by low IQ people via the expanding welfare state and letting large numbers of low IQ people from other countries immigrate here?
I saw, fairly recently, a study from Norway- they have universal conscription and an IQ test, that showed a decline over the past few decades.Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Jim, @res
All three white families have an autistic child.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3881604/Replies: @Corpse Tooth, @Mr. Anon
"After twenty generations of shillyshallying and “we’ll cross that bridge when we come to it”, genus homo had bred himself into an impasse. Dogged biometricians had pointed out with irrefutable logic that mental subnormals were outbreeding mental normals and supernormals, and that the process was occurring on an exponential curve. Every fact that could be mustered in the argument proved the biometricians’ case, and led inevitably to the conclusion that genus homo was going to wind up in a preposterous jam quite soon. If you think that had any effect on breeding practices, you do not know genus homo.
"There was, of course, a sort of masking effect produced by that other exponential function, the accumulation of technological devices...
"The supernormals “improved the product” at greater speed than the subnormals degraded it, but in smaller quantity because elaborate training of their children was practiced on a custom-made basis. The fetish of higher education had some weird avatars by the twentieth generation ; “colleges” where not a member of the student body could read words of three syllables; “universities” where such degrees as “Bachelor of Typewriting,” “Master of Shorthand” and “Doctor of Philosophy (Card Filing)” were conferred, with the traditional pomp. The handful of supernormals used such devices in order that the vast majority might keep some semblance of a social order going."Replies: @res
https://www.unz.com/jthompson/the-woodley-effect/
It's important to understand that while there were real gains--nutrition, public health, universal and better education, i.e. curtailing stunting and providing better brain stimulation--involved in the Flynn effect, it was mostly centered in the ability to Raven's type tests. In other words, more exposure to symbolic processing--from school, computers, now phones--made people wildly better at symbolic manipulation tasks. However, there was very little improvement--a few points over decades in the US--on basic verbal (reading comprehension) type IQ. In other words Flynn was only very marginally people getting smarter and mostly people learning a particular skill.
What I see in his data is:
0) Most places pretty flat, no particular trend.
1) Positive uptrends in some nations, with some capability--like Turkey--that are now doing a better job getting the most out of their human capital--as nations like Ireland did a generation earlier.
2) A small but clear slumping off now in most Western nations from immigration and perhaps dysgenics.
3) Africa remains Africa.
There's just no way around how important HBD is in shaping real world outcomes. And the utter disaster that minoritarian coup against (Anglo) empiricism in genetics and our prior broad cultural common sense understanding of human differences has been for the West.Replies: @res, @The Germ Theory of Disease
He da Man — the Otto-Man.
I find this axiom to be utterly without merit, and in fact morally offensive.
Rather it seems to me that the core moral principle is the right to defect. You do not have the right to other people's stuff nor to compel their labor. But your entitled--if capable--to withdraw from a community--not making demands upon it--and make your own way, or make community with like minded people.
A key principle for adults is "do I need you? am I demanding something from you? If I'm making demands upon you, then you can make reciprocal demands upon me. But if you are capable of, willing to doing without anyone person/group then it is their demands upon you that are morally unsupported, illegitimate.
I think it is critical to get white people's minds out of the minoritarian rut. The simple reality is whites do not need any minorities around to provide for themselves and create decent, prosperous, pleasant communities and nations. Whites are entitled to look after their own interests--just like blacks or Jews do--and make community, with the norms that they find congenial with anyone they wish.Replies: @Diversity Heretic, @ic1000, @Inspector Grant, @Anonymous
>”…these secessions perpetuate modern-day segregation and limit opportunity for left-behind communities, a form of opportunity hoarding that we call ‘white fortressing.’”
Kudos to Bloomberg/CityLab reporters Luisa Godinez-Puig and Brian D. Smedley for coining opportunity hoarding — that’s an edgy phrase that could really catch on with the Twitterati and elite academics. (Paging Will Stancil to the white courtesy phone.)
In Rust Belt City, it’s been a topic of handwringing for decades, although discussed in less colorful terms. Like taxpayer farming. Since when are cattle allowed to choose the fields where they graze?
But a word of caution to Ms. Godinez-Puig and Mr. Smedley. Around here, the Bad Guys (Gentile white families) who wanted to flee the high-tax, low-service, and corrupt inner-city jurisdiction — they left a long time ago. The current crop of opportunity hoarders is largely comprised of ADOS mothers with kids, recent arrivals from Africa, and Former Soviet Union immigrants.
Are you certain that you want to demonize these members of your coalition? Just thought I’d ask. And it’s hardly unknown for progressive and woke influencers to favor upscale census tracts for the magic-dirt benefits to their own personal safety (and kids’, if any, educations). Have Godinez-Puig or Smedley ever spared a thought as to which neighborhoods are rife with “In This House” signs?
wikipedia.org/wiki/Opportunity_hoardingReplies: @Gabe Ruth
Don’t believe the numbers. I’m sure they’re manipulated.
My dad was an administrator in a large affluent suburban school system over 30 years ago. He once told me that there was a lot of pressure from the county and state government— which was (((top-heavy)))— to boost minority test scores. It was always their number one priority.*
He once confessed to me. “You know how we raised minority test scores? After we devoted all of our resources and tried everything to improve performance and couldn’t, we simply massaged the numbers.”
*If that was the case decades ago imagine what it is today?!
Turkey's a middle income country with a GDP per-capita a bit lower than Mexico. But if Turkey and Mexico were ever fighting a war ... I know how I'd bet.Replies: @Twinkie, @NJ Transit Commuter, @prosa123, @Peter Akuleyev
Turkey’s a middle income country with a GDP per-capita a bit lower than Mexico.
Neither one is stable, however. Turkey faces a risk of fundamentalism while Mexico is overrun with the cartels.
I don’t care for PISA tests, but if someone is interested, you have the latest results in all three areas here: https://www.oecd.org/pisa/OECD_2022_PISA_Results_Comparing%20countries%E2%80%99%20and%20economies%E2%80%99%20performance%20in%20mathematics.pdf
But anyway, that's for the link. Always good to give it a scan every few years even though it is the same story.Replies: @Anonymous, @Bardon Kaldian
Off-topic, but I think Google has made a rather interesting choice regarding who to honor with a Google Doodle today: https://doodles.google/doodle/celebrating-jeanne-cordova/
It is, of course, the eightieth anniversary of D-Day. Google may be interested in “Chicana lesbian activist, feminist, and author Jeanne Cordova”, but my attention is elsewhere. If you’ll excuse me, I have some historically-relevant power metal to listen to.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/googles-d-day-banner-is-another-day-of-pride-month-celebrations
Here you can see the latest Google doodles.
https://doodles.google/
This is much more useful. Google doodles sorted by day.
https://google-doodles.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_Doodles_Sorted_by_Day
Looks like they have never done a D-Day Google Doodle?
https://google-doodles.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_Doodles_Sorted_by_Day_(June_1-15)#June_6th
Here is Google's page for that.
https://doodles.google/search/?date_like_month=6&date_like_day=6
2019 discussion about the 75th anniversary. The claim is they never celebrate military events. Anyone know if this is true?
https://support.google.com/webmasters/thread/7412917/on-the-75th-anniversary-of-d-day-google-choose-to-highlight-50-years-of-pride-really?hl=enReplies: @Ralph L, @Almost Missouri, @Colin Wright, @Almost Missouri
Yes, that’s correct. But the Flynn Effect was an illusion in the first place – all it actually proved was that people had gotten better at playing with machines as the only place where aptitute increased was the ability to mentally manipulate shapes; IQ tasks involving language, culture, or math have been steadily declining.
Chicago couple brutally assaulted by teens while on date, pregnant wife loses baby
“Teens”:
https://www.foxnews.com/us/chicago-couple-brutally-assaulted-teens-while-date-pregnant-wife-loses-baby-after-attack?intcmp=tw_fnc
Imagine if “the Klan” (er, I mean the FBI, LOL) had done this to a pair of Negroes….
I agree.
I saw, fairly recently, a study from Norway- they have universal conscription and an IQ test, that showed a decline over the past few decades.
Compared to the rest of the world, everything about conscription in Norway is upside-down-- it's popular, selective, easy to avoid, and applies to both sexes because the feminists made it their priority that it do so. Can you imagine that here?
In Norway, young people compete to serve in the military
Can you imagine that here?Replies: @Gordo, @Hypnotoad666
https://www.sciencenorway.no/health-intelligence-iq/our-iq-is-steadily-declining/2180595
That discusses a 2018 study which seems to be the first this was noticed there.Replies: @Peter Frost, @Hypnotoad666, @Santoculto
There are eight families in my little parkside neighborhood, with four of them having children. Three of them, two white and one with a white mother and a hapa father, are couples who married in their 30s, with the fourth being a young Asian couple who married in their 20s.
All three white families have an autistic child.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3881604/
Quite fashionable these days.Replies: @Brutusale
Frankly, I suspect that the whole autistic thing is just made up. Perhaps, kids like that used to just be called shy, or squirrely, or whatever. Just as ADHD is made up; it used to just be called "being a boy". Now, being a rambunctious boy has been labeled a diagnosable illness that requires medication.
If these conditions aren't made up - if they are real - then they demand an explanation as to why there has been an explosion in their incidence in the last forty years or so. And it would likely have to be an environmental cause. What is it then? Processed food? Pharmaceuticals? Microplastics? Vaccines? The people charged with managing "public health" - who largely seem indifferent to the health of the public - would have to entertain some of these ideas and give them serious study if they really wanted to find an answer. But they won't.
Why, it’s as if you never heard of ‘magic dirt’!
Sad to say, it’s hardly their coinage. There is a wikipedia page on “opportunity hoarding” that is 5 years old so the phrase is even older than that. Read it and alternately laugh and weep…
wikipedia.org/wiki/Opportunity_hoarding
Upon close examination, the US appears to be dipping a wee bit since 2010. Can’t tell if this is a continuing trend.
Luisa Godinez-Puig and Brian D. Smedley? Every…single…time!
Did I do it right?
I that true? I think Steve speculated a few years ago that it might be people getting better at dealing with abstract shapes and forms over the years but this is the first I’ve read that all the other aspects have been in decline
Serbia is interesting as it is full of Serbians.
Even more so since NATO unilaterally changed Serbia’s borders to make Kosovo an independant Albanian state and crime hub.
So the Serbian figures are not warped by an immigrant demographic.
Speaking of which…
There is hope for boosting fertility rates – even in desperately low South Korea
One of the two churches has a TFR three times the national average, albeit that is still not much above 2.1. The other (read past the banner subscription appeal, which can trick one into thinking the article is over) has bumped up its medium-sized city’s total figure to just over 1.0.
Korea’s Christians, both Protestant and Catholic, are less fecund than Buddhists and the secular. Is this because they are more successful?
From the same site, China shows what real– and successful– “anti-Semitism” looks like, and a video tweet of Queers for Palestine disrupting a Pride parade.
But Steve had rather write about the old Negro League or write about George Floyd for the 100th time rather than explore other issues involving human biodiversity.
I saw, fairly recently, a study from Norway- they have universal conscription and an IQ test, that showed a decline over the past few decades.Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Jim, @res
Only one in six is actually called to serve. This is preceded by universal testing, which is more to your point.
Compared to the rest of the world, everything about conscription in Norway is upside-down– it’s popular, selective, easy to avoid, and applies to both sexes because the feminists made it their priority that it do so. Can you imagine that here?
In Norway, young people compete to serve in the military
Can you imagine that here?
Britain's Indian Prime Minister is mooting it for the UK, look at England's cities, would you give them guns?Replies: @Reg Cæsar
I want to know about the countries on the graph with average IQ’s of 60. Do you realize how stupid that is? The implication would be that a third of the population would be incapable of tying their shoes. Imagine making change…
Bus schedules? Who would be bright enough to compose one?
In principle, one could apply the same principle that leads mediocre male athletes to compete as women. Realized that you’re a mental meh? That your IQ of 109 pretty much rules out anything above practical nurse?
Move to Guinea Bissau! Become the nation’s intellectual giant!
Much better would be to be born with that 109 IQ as a native Guinea-Bissauan. Then you could migrate to the US and get affirmative-actioned into the Supreme Court or something.
Rarely do I see Larry Auster quoted any more (contrary to rumour, it's easy to be forgotten on the Internet), but he put a lot of things more aptly and succintly than anyone else I know.Replies: @res, @YetAnotherAnon, @Colin Wright, @Mike Tre, @BB753
Sometimes, I kind of wish that the Democrats hadn't stolen the 2020 election.
What could've been....
Oh well.Replies: @Harry Baldwin
There are commenters here who like to say, “Trump didn’t do a damn thing for white people!” Then we are reminded of his proposals like the one you posted.
Many on the right like to wallow in defeatism,. For them, half a loaf is no better than no loaf at all. Ann Coulter denouncesTrump for not building the wall. She acts like he did nothing. He certainly tried to get it done against political opposition from his own party as well as the opposition, and in fact got over 400 miles of it completed. Nevertheless, Ann can’t forgive him. (I think the real problem is that he referred to her as “a wacky nut job” for her haranguing him about it).
Another thing Trump did that the naysayers have either forgotten or never knew is that Trump put a stall on the AFFH program to force low-income housing into the suburbs, which the Democrats would dearly love to do. Also, Trump rejected the plan in Obama’s “Dear Colleague” letter that pushed schools to go above and beyond to promote diversity. Trump also sought to revoke Obama’s rule that schools not disciple blacks disproportionately to their percentage of the school population–a blueprint for chaos.
For those who want cites:
https://nlihc.org/resource/trump-administration-eliminates-affirmatively-furthering-fair-housing-rule-nlihc-and-other
https://www.edweek.org/education/trump-withdraws-obama-era-guidance-on-racial-diversity-in-k-12-higher-ed/2018/07
https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/national-international/trumps-school-safety-panel-report-school-discipline/2044461/
https://www.dhs.gov/news/2020/10/29/dhs-and-cbp-celebrate-400-miles-new-border-wall-system
It's always Harvard and Yale, with occasionally Princeton, Dartmouth, or Columbia for variety. It must be tough down there in the second division of the Ivy League, clawing for attention.
Bwown, in downscale Pwovidence, is notable only for those demands for reparations.Replies: @Simon
OT, but who’s Hunter Biden’s new woman/wife – hard-looking blonde named Cohen?
When did this happen? Is she crazy?
I heard she was mouthing off to someone Trump related or pro Trump at the trial. "Mixing it up", as it were. So Hunter has his own moll?
She seems to have appeared out of nowhere, at least to me.
"Hard looking blonde" , yes, thanks. Great description. Probably a Clairol Blonde though...Replies: @J.Ross, @SF middleroader
https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2019/12/melissa-cohen-biden.jpg
She had a presidential grandbaby in 2020 so allowances for motherhood are appropriate.Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @BB753
Hunter Biden is a degenerate low-life and a parasite. He is like a modern day Cesare Borgia.Replies: @Truth
Nonsensical fake research.
No one is “left behind” or somehow denied opportunities.
This is a blatant illustration of the “Blacks have no agency” underlying racism of White leftists and their fake research.
Anyone can make money here, which is why millions from all over the globe rush to get in.
People are free to move and make money, etc.
The fact that some people are smarter and work harder (usually both) and live in nicer areas isn’t some plot to keep others out. Just look at the non White celebrities and performers who have made millions. Where do they move to? Why?
To leftist fake researchers, it’s always someone else’s fault for people who live in bad areas. Not their own. Downtown SF, formerly an elite area, is now a shithole, literally, and the original population is leaving.
Compared to the rest of the world, everything about conscription in Norway is upside-down-- it's popular, selective, easy to avoid, and applies to both sexes because the feminists made it their priority that it do so. Can you imagine that here?
In Norway, young people compete to serve in the military
Can you imagine that here?Replies: @Gordo, @Hypnotoad666
One of the many benefits of a homogenous society.
Britain’s Indian Prime Minister is mooting it for the UK, look at England’s cities, would you give them guns?
I can’t vouch for Kenya, but Botswana is one of the very few economic success stories in sub-Saharan Africa, relatively speaking. So it looks like sub-Saharan IQ only just inches up to around 80, even in a semi-prosperous environment.
Interesting.
Maybe with a wee bit more Caucasian admixture, sub-Saharan IQs might rise all the way to 85 — just like in America.
End of story.Replies: @Mike Tre, @Anonymous
OT
I asked the AI to chime in on Steve’s writing style and vocabulary based on a recent Taki’s article. It was impressed:
What they're trying to say is, he's good.
Many on the right like to wallow in defeatism,. For them, half a loaf is no better than no loaf at all. Ann Coulter denouncesTrump for not building the wall. She acts like he did nothing. He certainly tried to get it done against political opposition from his own party as well as the opposition, and in fact got over 400 miles of it completed. Nevertheless, Ann can't forgive him. (I think the real problem is that he referred to her as "a wacky nut job" for her haranguing him about it).
Another thing Trump did that the naysayers have either forgotten or never knew is that Trump put a stall on the AFFH program to force low-income housing into the suburbs, which the Democrats would dearly love to do. Also, Trump rejected the plan in Obama's "Dear Colleague" letter that pushed schools to go above and beyond to promote diversity. Trump also sought to revoke Obama's rule that schools not disciple blacks disproportionately to their percentage of the school population--a blueprint for chaos.
For those who want cites:
https://nlihc.org/resource/trump-administration-eliminates-affirmatively-furthering-fair-housing-rule-nlihc-and-other
https://www.edweek.org/education/trump-withdraws-obama-era-guidance-on-racial-diversity-in-k-12-higher-ed/2018/07
https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/national-international/trumps-school-safety-panel-report-school-discipline/2044461/
https://www.dhs.gov/news/2020/10/29/dhs-and-cbp-celebrate-400-miles-new-border-wall-systemReplies: @Ralph L, @Reg Cæsar, @Rick P
I remember wondering why several of those improvements happened late in his term.
“Note that some of these tests can be gamed by not inviting the dumb kids to take them”
Third grade. My homeroom is herded towards the cafeteria to take a test given by the California Department of Education. Mrs. Nix pulls me aside and tells me I don’t have to take the test and instead will be going to “extra recess.” Lingering childhood mystery solved.
All three white families have an autistic child.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3881604/Replies: @Corpse Tooth, @Mr. Anon
“All three white families have an autistic child.”
Quite fashionable these days.
I'm sort of way too old and too disaffected to be a dedicated Taylor fan, or an anything-fan for that matter; but I do remember the strange cultural electricity which followed the release of "Daydream Nation" or "Double Nickels on the Dime," ...that feeling that Finally! Somebody is saying it out loud! and I get that kind of sense with this new zany Taylor record. It seems epochal in some weird regard.
If nothing else, I am having a popcorn-munching good time watching and listening to all the don't-touch-my-hair racialist POC obsessives having an old-fashioned meltdown at the thought that this pretty, skinny, rather talented white chick has put out a record sort of detailing her own meltdown, and that she would have the nerve to think that her own feelings mattered (girlfriend! What. The!!?), and also that her large audience also thought that her feelings mattered.
Seems like it's worth a chat.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9r0renJWuYReplies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @QCIC, @Peter Akuleyev, @SF middleroader
Here ya go:
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A: All of them, of course.
Many on the right like to wallow in defeatism,. For them, half a loaf is no better than no loaf at all. Ann Coulter denouncesTrump for not building the wall. She acts like he did nothing. He certainly tried to get it done against political opposition from his own party as well as the opposition, and in fact got over 400 miles of it completed. Nevertheless, Ann can't forgive him. (I think the real problem is that he referred to her as "a wacky nut job" for her haranguing him about it).
Another thing Trump did that the naysayers have either forgotten or never knew is that Trump put a stall on the AFFH program to force low-income housing into the suburbs, which the Democrats would dearly love to do. Also, Trump rejected the plan in Obama's "Dear Colleague" letter that pushed schools to go above and beyond to promote diversity. Trump also sought to revoke Obama's rule that schools not disciple blacks disproportionately to their percentage of the school population--a blueprint for chaos.
For those who want cites:
https://nlihc.org/resource/trump-administration-eliminates-affirmatively-furthering-fair-housing-rule-nlihc-and-other
https://www.edweek.org/education/trump-withdraws-obama-era-guidance-on-racial-diversity-in-k-12-higher-ed/2018/07
https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/national-international/trumps-school-safety-panel-report-school-discipline/2044461/
https://www.dhs.gov/news/2020/10/29/dhs-and-cbp-celebrate-400-miles-new-border-wall-systemReplies: @Ralph L, @Reg Cæsar, @Rick P
Might there be some Cornell-Penn rivalry as well?
It’s always Harvard and Yale, with occasionally Princeton, Dartmouth, or Columbia for variety. It must be tough down there in the second division of the Ivy League, clawing for attention.
Bwown, in downscale Pwovidence, is notable only for those demands for reparations.
wikipedia.org/wiki/Opportunity_hoardingReplies: @Gabe Ruth
That’s my new favorite Wikipedia entry. Aside from the fabulous writing, we have this howler:
Can’t you hear the siphons pumping away?
Total B.S. "We built the Pyramids" "We were brought over as slaves because Whitey didn't know how to grow tobacco" "We sent Whitey to the moon based on the calculations Werner von Braun stole from our sistahs"
No, folks. You all are just sucking off the epic achievements of the Europeans.
Methinks Michelle Obama is now dabbling on Wiki.
fabulous writing -- !
I'm sort of way too old and too disaffected to be a dedicated Taylor fan, or an anything-fan for that matter; but I do remember the strange cultural electricity which followed the release of "Daydream Nation" or "Double Nickels on the Dime," ...that feeling that Finally! Somebody is saying it out loud! and I get that kind of sense with this new zany Taylor record. It seems epochal in some weird regard.
If nothing else, I am having a popcorn-munching good time watching and listening to all the don't-touch-my-hair racialist POC obsessives having an old-fashioned meltdown at the thought that this pretty, skinny, rather talented white chick has put out a record sort of detailing her own meltdown, and that she would have the nerve to think that her own feelings mattered (girlfriend! What. The!!?), and also that her large audience also thought that her feelings mattered.
Seems like it's worth a chat.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9r0renJWuYReplies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @QCIC, @Peter Akuleyev, @SF middleroader
Can you give the short version of why the new album is shocking?
Well the short, sort of Robert Christgau version is that for an allegedly vacuous, too-pretty too-white popsicle chick she's made a record that is musically very sophisticated, emotionally complex, emotionally rather deep really, and highly literate in the sense that she really has a good grasp of the speed, weight, and valence of words in a way that most of her cohort doesn't. Listening to it is sort of like reading a well-written novel. Those videos are really pretty great.
It's kind of like when you realize that all the backing vocals on Lou's "Satellite of Love" are not done by some Philly-soul girl-backup group, it's all actually David Bowie in disguise.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJoHspUta-E
Hai Karate -- wakes you up like a cold, hard, SLAP IN THE FACE!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NE_wbglGAzA&list=RDGMEMQ1dJ7wXfLlqCjwV0xfSNbA&index=30
And now here she is with this new record, which makes me respect her for the first time....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EKbEP2L32M&list=RDGMEMQ1dJ7wXfLlqCjwV0xfSNbA&index=4
It's a world of difference, sort of like the space between Bob Mould from Metal Circus and Bob Mould from New Day Rising and Zen Arcade.
From the notes to the Wiki, the earliest mention I can find is from 2003, The Politics of Collective Violence by the late DR. Charles Tilly of Columbia.
The Little Black Bag (1950) by Cyril Kornbluth.
“After twenty generations of shillyshallying and “we’ll cross that bridge when we come to it”, genus homo had bred himself into an impasse. Dogged biometricians had pointed out with irrefutable logic that mental subnormals were outbreeding mental normals and supernormals, and that the process was occurring on an exponential curve. Every fact that could be mustered in the argument proved the biometricians’ case, and led inevitably to the conclusion that genus homo was going to wind up in a preposterous jam quite soon. If you think that had any effect on breeding practices, you do not know genus homo.
“There was, of course, a sort of masking effect produced by that other exponential function, the accumulation of technological devices…
“The supernormals “improved the product” at greater speed than the subnormals degraded it, but in smaller quantity because elaborate training of their children was practiced on a custom-made basis. The fetish of higher education had some weird avatars by the twentieth generation ; “colleges” where not a member of the student body could read words of three syllables; “universities” where such degrees as “Bachelor of Typewriting,” “Master of Shorthand” and “Doctor of Philosophy (Card Filing)” were conferred, with the traditional pomp. The handful of supernormals used such devices in order that the vast majority might keep some semblance of a social order going.”
https://skullsinthestars.com/2023/05/29/the-little-black-bag-by-c-m-kornbluth/Replies: @Anon7
These discussions are as beneficial to fixing our problems as debating what the most valuable comic book of all time is.
Thanks. This NYT article has many more details.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/28/us/louisiana-st-george.html
This is how it began.
P.S. Steve, thanks for posting this IQ data. Hopefully there can be some on topic discussion of it.
https://roddreher.substack.com/p/frowney-andersReplies: @Prester John, @SF middleroader
a) The Industrial Revolution was, according to Dutton and Gregory Clarke, the creation of an England with a somewhat higher IQ than the Western population (or at least the European population) has now. Dutton's trends say that IQ is down my 15 points, a standard deviation. So the current "normalized" tests must be corrected before being compared with 1870 IQ estimates (which involve measuring reaction times). The correction consists of subtracting 15 points from 2024 IQ scores, so that a 2024 IQ of 100 corresponds to an 1870 IQ of 85.
OK, you might say, it took a very smart population to cope with the primitive capital equipment of the 1870s. And so it did, industrialization of the Continent was delayed as long as it was because the Continental population was unable to operate the primitive capital equipment. Later efforts to move production to India failed for much the same reason. Contemporary machines are much less difficult to operate, and much more difficult for operators to inadvertently destroy.
But have you, the reader, ever worked with people with an IQ about standard deviation less than you have?
Consider the commenters on unz.com whose idea of commenting is to accuse people they don't know and have never even seen of various sexual perversions, emotional states, political associations, and whatever social violations they can think of. That is, the commentators who are stupid but assertive.
Think of running a factory of such people.
Think of running a factory of people who do things their own way, which way destroys such simple machines as hammers. People who won't drill a pilot hole for screws because it is too much work (even though lack of pilot holes splits the wood).
Think of people who regard training as BS that one has to sit through before cheating on a test, and do that because they haven't a hope of understanding the training material.
Think of people who believe that ESG and DIE are their one golden chance to get revenge for centuries of oppression.
The US ran WW II with a population that was educated up to about 5th grade level, but that would follow instructions if the foreman had escalation dominance. ESG, DIE, and factories are not run that way anymore.
The 1960s McNamara's Morons initiative showed that people with under about 85 IQ could not be trained to do something useful in the 1960s US Army. (The one I saw was eventually sent to Graves Registration, where he was put to work moving bodies. That is a more life-threatening job than you might think, and I hope he recovered from it. He did try, and he meant well, but his surroundings were a mystery to him and, as would anybody, he objected to doing things meaningless to him.)
So -- the UK had an industrial revolution, but lost IQ at about 1 pt/decade since 1870. The West's population now could not duplicate the UK Industrial Revolution -- not enough talented blue collars.
So, with that background --- we come to the "Idiocracy" considerations:
1) Are the populations that Steve presents in https://www.unz.com/isteve/national-iq-trends-over-the-decades/#comment-6604839 smart enough to support industrialization? Are they smart enough to tolerate working in industry?
2) Is the US still smart enough? Is Europe? Is the rejection of "acting White" or "that science stuff" by the entire US population (including all races) enough to make industry unworkable?Replies: @QCIC
He’s probably right. The modern trend is to whine and bemoan “Imperialism.” But there is a lot to be said for having a (relatively) disinterested third power forcibly mediate the power arrangements of local populations that would otherwise be fighting each other to extermination. The Jews, Muslims (both Shia and Sunni), and Christians were able to co-habit these regions pretty peacefully under the Ottomans.
It probably helped that the population of every group was quite small and poor. As said of the Romans, you gave us desolation and called it peace.
On topic: How do they do IQ tests of illiterates? How can we compare the quality of education in backward states when we can't even measure our own? Money or time spent sure ain't it.Replies: @Reg Cæsar
I saw, fairly recently, a study from Norway- they have universal conscription and an IQ test, that showed a decline over the past few decades.Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Jim, @res
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It does seem odd. Especially the two sub-90 data points. I downloaded the dataset (hlo-7 is the one you want, see harmscore2 column for IQ), but don’t see enough information to find the sources for those two studies. I also did not see in a quick look at Becker’s database for those years (could easily have missed though).
Regarding the more recent spread, looks like that is mostly a result of looking at different subtests. The US is not very good at math.
Many on the right like to wallow in defeatism,. For them, half a loaf is no better than no loaf at all. Ann Coulter denouncesTrump for not building the wall. She acts like he did nothing. He certainly tried to get it done against political opposition from his own party as well as the opposition, and in fact got over 400 miles of it completed. Nevertheless, Ann can't forgive him. (I think the real problem is that he referred to her as "a wacky nut job" for her haranguing him about it).
Another thing Trump did that the naysayers have either forgotten or never knew is that Trump put a stall on the AFFH program to force low-income housing into the suburbs, which the Democrats would dearly love to do. Also, Trump rejected the plan in Obama's "Dear Colleague" letter that pushed schools to go above and beyond to promote diversity. Trump also sought to revoke Obama's rule that schools not disciple blacks disproportionately to their percentage of the school population--a blueprint for chaos.
For those who want cites:
https://nlihc.org/resource/trump-administration-eliminates-affirmatively-furthering-fair-housing-rule-nlihc-and-other
https://www.edweek.org/education/trump-withdraws-obama-era-guidance-on-racial-diversity-in-k-12-higher-ed/2018/07
https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/national-international/trumps-school-safety-panel-report-school-discipline/2044461/
https://www.dhs.gov/news/2020/10/29/dhs-and-cbp-celebrate-400-miles-new-border-wall-systemReplies: @Ralph L, @Reg Cæsar, @Rick P
Fine, he did some good things. But he also promised an almost unfathomable 500 billion dollars to blacks in 2020, was impotent against the riots, and sucks up to more black rappers than every other president combined.
Have you seen this?
https://www.unz.com/jthompson/the-woodley-effect/
OT: Biden is ramping up the use of US weapons directly against Russia. He is desperate for a win in the Ukraine war before the election to make himself look good. But he is more likely to drag us into a direct war with Russia.
We cannot get rid of Biden fast enough.
No, it was mostly because of nutrition, in particular prenatal vitamins, and especially thiamin.
Interesting.
Maybe with a wee bit more Caucasian admixture, sub-Saharan IQs might rise all the way to 85 — just like in America.Replies: @Anonymous
Botswana has a tiny population and sits atop a huge diamond reserve, which, quite sensibly, is run by foreign interests.
End of story.
Quite fashionable these days.Replies: @Brutusale
Special Needs has become quite a racket.
The Jews, Muslims (both Shia and Sunni), and Christians were able to co-habit these regions pretty peacefully under the Ottomans.
It probably helped that the population of every group was quite small and poor. As said of the Romans, you gave us desolation and called it peace.
On topic: How do they do IQ tests of illiterates? How can we compare the quality of education in backward states when we can’t even measure our own? Money or time spent sure ain’t it.
Neuropsychological Test Performance in Illiterate Subjects
Of corse, there will be resistance to that, too, more so than to the regular tests:
IQ variations across time and race are explained by literacy differences - Nature
(Shouldn't that last word be Nurture?)
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/28/us/louisiana-st-george.html
This is how it began.P.S. Steve, thanks for posting this IQ data. Hopefully there can be some on topic discussion of it.Replies: @Frau Katze, @Anonymous
I got the link from Rod Dreher, who grew up in Louisiana. He doesn’t talk about race much but this was just too much for him. More from him:
He notices too (or secretly reads Steve).
https://roddreher.substack.com/p/frowney-anders
Agree.
It’s important to understand that while there were real gains–nutrition, public health, universal and better education, i.e. curtailing stunting and providing better brain stimulation–involved in the Flynn effect, it was mostly centered in the ability to Raven’s type tests. In other words, more exposure to symbolic processing–from school, computers, now phones–made people wildly better at symbolic manipulation tasks. However, there was very little improvement–a few points over decades in the US–on basic verbal (reading comprehension) type IQ. In other words Flynn was only very marginally people getting smarter and mostly people learning a particular skill.
What I see in his data is:
0) Most places pretty flat, no particular trend.
1) Positive uptrends in some nations, with some capability–like Turkey–that are now doing a better job getting the most out of their human capital–as nations like Ireland did a generation earlier.
2) A small but clear slumping off now in most Western nations from immigration and perhaps dysgenics.
3) Africa remains Africa.
There’s just no way around how important HBD is in shaping real world outcomes. And the utter disaster that minoritarian coup against (Anglo) empiricism in genetics and our prior broad cultural common sense understanding of human differences has been for the West.
See this.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flynn_effectBTW, that is the response to people who attempt to "debunk" the Flynn Effect by claiming it implies that the smartest people in the past would have been much less smart than in the present.
P.S. It is important to note that the IQ scores were adjusted for the Flynn Effect. From Steve's original link.Replies: @Hypnotoad666
Having spent a fair amount of time back in the Stone Age mired in sociological data, I came to the rough conclusion that social research is really more of putting on an ill-fitting tuxedo to try and dignify the old Yogi Berra adage that, "You know what, you can observe a lot just by looking." Which is sort of Steve's real stock in trade, right?
For instance, I don't think that the incredible developmental leap between immediately pre- and post-Meiji Japan had something to do with some magical materialist nutritional boost in Japanese IQ, I think it's pretty obvious that it had to do with cultural and socio-political shifts in emphasis, in the wake of the shocking exposure to Perry's notorious Black Ships. You don't just get Fukuzawa Yukichi pulled clean out of a hat one or two generations away from Hokusai, explained by biological HBD differences; it has to do with the samurai Yoshida Shoin freaking out and inspiring a generation to get up off their arses and DO something.
Were the men of the generation right before James Madison just a bunch of cavemen who then made a few changes to their diet and magically came up with The Federalist?
Maybe you have to spend your teenage years stuck on a late-night NYC subway car watching and avoiding categorical teenage negro misbehavior to recognize just how ingrained and endemic it is. I mean, me own dear father was a streetwise knife-fighting punk who after a quick stint in the Navy suddenly became an upstanding family man and homeowner, turned it all around in the space of like four years; somehow though, I don't ever see that on the A train.
It is, of course, the eightieth anniversary of D-Day. Google may be interested in “Chicana lesbian activist, feminist, and author Jeanne Cordova”, but my attention is elsewhere. If you’ll excuse me, I have some historically-relevant power metal to listen to.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qVHyl0P_P-MReplies: @res
What makes it even worse is it’s not like Google does a special doodle every single day. Here is the Daily Wire on this.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/googles-d-day-banner-is-another-day-of-pride-month-celebrations
Here you can see the latest Google doodles.
https://doodles.google/
This is much more useful. Google doodles sorted by day.
https://google-doodles.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_Doodles_Sorted_by_Day
Looks like they have never done a D-Day Google Doodle?
https://google-doodles.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_Doodles_Sorted_by_Day_(June_1-15)#June_6th
Here is Google’s page for that.
https://doodles.google/search/?date_like_month=6&date_like_day=6
2019 discussion about the 75th anniversary. The claim is they never celebrate military events. Anyone know if this is true?
https://support.google.com/webmasters/thread/7412917/on-the-75th-anniversary-of-d-day-google-choose-to-highlight-50-years-of-pride-really?hl=en
Any military victory entails someone else's defeat. As a global company, Google doesn't want to alienate the defeated half of the world.
Of course, the gay stuff is also an endzone dance of a (non-military) victory ... but they probably don't realize how alienating it is.
Maybe they'll catch on in a decade or two.
He wound up with Google.
I saw, fairly recently, a study from Norway- they have universal conscription and an IQ test, that showed a decline over the past few decades.Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Jim, @res
Some discussion from Norway about this.
https://www.sciencenorway.no/health-intelligence-iq/our-iq-is-steadily-declining/2180595
That discusses a 2018 study which seems to be the first this was noticed there.
Keep in mind, however, that siblings in Norway are increasingly half-siblings. Among Norwegian women with only two children, 13.4% have had them by more than one man. The figure rises to 24.9% among those with three children, 36.2% among those with four children, and 41.2% among those with five children (Thomson et al., 2014). If siblings have different fathers, they cannot share the same genetic background.
Who are the fathers of the younger siblings? The sort of men that single mothers often end up with, i.e., men of the lowest educational level:
"At age 45, about 15 percent of all men in the 1960-62 cohort with a compulsory education had had children with more than one woman, compared to about 5 percent among men with a tertiary degree. If looking at fathers only (Figure 6), the pattern becomes even more pronounced. At the lowest educational level, 19.3 percent of those who had become fathers had children with more than one woman, compared to 6.1 percent of those at the highest educational level." (Lappegård et al., 2011)
References
Bratsberg, B., and Rogeberg, O. (2018). Flynn effect and its reversal are both environmentally caused. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, 115(26), 6674-6678. https://doi.org/10.1073/pnas.1718793115
Lappegård, T., Rønsen, M., and Skrede, K. (2011). Fatherhood and fertility. Fathering, 9(1), 103-120. https://doi.org/10.3149/fth.0901.103
Thomson, E., Lappegård, T., Carlson, M., Evans, A., and Gray, E. (2014). Childbearing across partnerships in Australia, the United States, Norway, and Sweden, Demography 51(2), 485-508. https://doi.org/10.1007/s13524-013-0273-6Replies: @Pixo, @Twinkie, @Truth
Maybe something in the beer...
"After twenty generations of shillyshallying and “we’ll cross that bridge when we come to it”, genus homo had bred himself into an impasse. Dogged biometricians had pointed out with irrefutable logic that mental subnormals were outbreeding mental normals and supernormals, and that the process was occurring on an exponential curve. Every fact that could be mustered in the argument proved the biometricians’ case, and led inevitably to the conclusion that genus homo was going to wind up in a preposterous jam quite soon. If you think that had any effect on breeding practices, you do not know genus homo.
"There was, of course, a sort of masking effect produced by that other exponential function, the accumulation of technological devices...
"The supernormals “improved the product” at greater speed than the subnormals degraded it, but in smaller quantity because elaborate training of their children was practiced on a custom-made basis. The fetish of higher education had some weird avatars by the twentieth generation ; “colleges” where not a member of the student body could read words of three syllables; “universities” where such degrees as “Bachelor of Typewriting,” “Master of Shorthand” and “Doctor of Philosophy (Card Filing)” were conferred, with the traditional pomp. The handful of supernormals used such devices in order that the vast majority might keep some semblance of a social order going."Replies: @res
Thanks. Nice to mix it up from the usual Marching Morons (sequel a year later) reference. More on your story.
https://skullsinthestars.com/2023/05/29/the-little-black-bag-by-c-m-kornbluth/
Not sure why you don’t like PISA tests. IQ tests are interesting, but really fraught in cross national comparisons. I think having these cross national tests in something that is common–commonly taught–like mathematics, is very useful.
But anyway, that’s for the link. Always good to give it a scan every few years even though it is the same story.
More charitably, maybe it's because direct comparisons are still unreliable, even once you control for coverage, as different countries and different peoples can have vastly different approaches to administering and taking the PISA and similar tests.
I don't personally see that as a reason to dislike PISA, though it's something to keep in mind.
Other than that, it is as expected- Africans & their descendants are nowhere to be seen.
[Drunken Orson Welles voice:]
What they’re trying to say is, he’s good.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/googles-d-day-banner-is-another-day-of-pride-month-celebrations
Here you can see the latest Google doodles.
https://doodles.google/
This is much more useful. Google doodles sorted by day.
https://google-doodles.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_Doodles_Sorted_by_Day
Looks like they have never done a D-Day Google Doodle?
https://google-doodles.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_Doodles_Sorted_by_Day_(June_1-15)#June_6th
Here is Google's page for that.
https://doodles.google/search/?date_like_month=6&date_like_day=6
2019 discussion about the 75th anniversary. The claim is they never celebrate military events. Anyone know if this is true?
https://support.google.com/webmasters/thread/7412917/on-the-75th-anniversary-of-d-day-google-choose-to-highlight-50-years-of-pride-really?hl=enReplies: @Ralph L, @Almost Missouri, @Colin Wright, @Almost Missouri
Looks like they have never done a D-Day Google Doodle?
They probably have a subconscious affinity for the other side, or at least its tactics.
“The development is due to environmental factors – in other words something in our surroundings,” says Røgeberg.
North Sea oil extraction?
https://roddreher.substack.com/p/frowney-andersReplies: @Prester John, @SF middleroader
I read Dreher a lot. No, he doesn’t do much race but anyone who has read him could hardly be surprised at his response. Can you blame him? I mean, really, enough is enough. You get tired of hearing and reading the same old drivel from The Usual Suspects (who have managed to insulate themselves from the rest of society), which usually boil down to some variation of “whites bad, blacks good.”
OT
You’ve probably seen this, but if not, it looks like prime Sailerbait.
https://twitter.com/Muhsoci0factors/status/1798108900480131158
Fittingly for Celebrate Sodomy Month, the US announces:
https://endtimeheadlines.org/2024/06/new-sexually-transmitted-fungal-infection-detected-in-nyc-becomes-the-first-in-the-us/
Haha, sorry I missed this earlier.
https://www.unz.com/isteve/national-iq-trends-over-the-decades/#comment-6605024
I was wondering that too.
When did this happen? Is she crazy?
I heard she was mouthing off to someone Trump related or pro Trump at the trial. “Mixing it up”, as it were. So Hunter has his own moll?
She seems to have appeared out of nowhere, at least to me.
“Hard looking blonde” , yes, thanks. Great description. Probably a Clairol Blonde though…
Most Israelis don’t ace the SAT.
https://skullsinthestars.com/2023/05/29/the-little-black-bag-by-c-m-kornbluth/Replies: @Anon7
Korbluth, as perhaps you know, was an extremely bright guy, went to CCNY on scholarship at 14 but never graduated (kicked out for protesting, not surprisingly). Published science fiction in his teens, befriending many of the golden age greats, fought in the Battle of the Bulge (Bronze star), and died at 34 having ruined his health during the war.
https://www.amazon.com/His-Share-Glory-Complete-Kornbluth/dp/0915368609
While writing this comment I reread the reviews of that book on Amazon. Which led me to this from Robert Silverberg. Thanks!
Rereading Kornbluth
https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1175534
https://bookreadfree.com/397177/9767160
Silverberg has quite a few in the "Rereading..." series.
https://isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?10400
OT — Canadian anon knocking it out of the park today, high (regarding the Starliner debacle):
And low:
https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1798893785499516943
I'm probably just missing something.Replies: @J.Ross
When did this happen? Is she crazy?
I heard she was mouthing off to someone Trump related or pro Trump at the trial. "Mixing it up", as it were. So Hunter has his own moll?
She seems to have appeared out of nowhere, at least to me.
"Hard looking blonde" , yes, thanks. Great description. Probably a Clairol Blonde though...Replies: @J.Ross, @SF middleroader
Yes, why would a hostile foreign government want to provide a “hard-looking” girlfriend/nanny to monitor/influence the infamously irresponsible son of the leader of the nominal global hegemond? Clearly Hunter’s rakish good looks and unearned millions of dollars have enabled him to pull this chicken without so much as a card trick. Sometimes women just show up, ask Neil Bush.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/googles-d-day-banner-is-another-day-of-pride-month-celebrations
Here you can see the latest Google doodles.
https://doodles.google/
This is much more useful. Google doodles sorted by day.
https://google-doodles.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_Doodles_Sorted_by_Day
Looks like they have never done a D-Day Google Doodle?
https://google-doodles.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_Doodles_Sorted_by_Day_(June_1-15)#June_6th
Here is Google's page for that.
https://doodles.google/search/?date_like_month=6&date_like_day=6
2019 discussion about the 75th anniversary. The claim is they never celebrate military events. Anyone know if this is true?
https://support.google.com/webmasters/thread/7412917/on-the-75th-anniversary-of-d-day-google-choose-to-highlight-50-years-of-pride-really?hl=enReplies: @Ralph L, @Almost Missouri, @Colin Wright, @Almost Missouri
Probably true.
Any military victory entails someone else’s defeat. As a global company, Google doesn’t want to alienate the defeated half of the world.
Of course, the gay stuff is also an endzone dance of a (non-military) victory … but they probably don’t realize how alienating it is.
Maybe they’ll catch on in a decade or two.
But anyway, that's for the link. Always good to give it a scan every few years even though it is the same story.Replies: @Anonymous, @Bardon Kaldian
Maybe it’s just because his country doesn’t do as well on it as most of NW Europe does.
More charitably, maybe it’s because direct comparisons are still unreliable, even once you control for coverage, as different countries and different peoples can have vastly different approaches to administering and taking the PISA and similar tests.
I don’t personally see that as a reason to dislike PISA, though it’s something to keep in mind.
It's important to understand that while there were real gains--nutrition, public health, universal and better education, i.e. curtailing stunting and providing better brain stimulation--involved in the Flynn effect, it was mostly centered in the ability to Raven's type tests. In other words, more exposure to symbolic processing--from school, computers, now phones--made people wildly better at symbolic manipulation tasks. However, there was very little improvement--a few points over decades in the US--on basic verbal (reading comprehension) type IQ. In other words Flynn was only very marginally people getting smarter and mostly people learning a particular skill.
What I see in his data is:
0) Most places pretty flat, no particular trend.
1) Positive uptrends in some nations, with some capability--like Turkey--that are now doing a better job getting the most out of their human capital--as nations like Ireland did a generation earlier.
2) A small but clear slumping off now in most Western nations from immigration and perhaps dysgenics.
3) Africa remains Africa.
There's just no way around how important HBD is in shaping real world outcomes. And the utter disaster that minoritarian coup against (Anglo) empiricism in genetics and our prior broad cultural common sense understanding of human differences has been for the West.Replies: @res, @The Germ Theory of Disease
I think there was also a component due to improving environments for the worst off. Nutrition?
See this.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flynn_effect
BTW, that is the response to people who attempt to “debunk” the Flynn Effect by claiming it implies that the smartest people in the past would have been much less smart than in the present.
P.S. It is important to note that the IQ scores were adjusted for the Flynn Effect. From Steve’s original link.
The usual real-world metric is educational aptitude and achievement. So this should be the metric for testing whether Flynn-enhanced raw scores represent real increases in intelligence.
For example just compare the output of college or HS students today against those of 60 years ago. Based on raw numbers of correct answers on 60 year-old IQ tests, current students are supposedly 20 IQ points smarter. If that were true, they would be blazing through the subject matter in half the time and scoring far higher on the final test of substantive knowledge.
Is that happening? Obviously not. So the hypothesis that the "Flynn effect is a real IQ increase" should be easily tested (and debunked).
This should be easy. What am I missing?Replies: @res
But anyway, that's for the link. Always good to give it a scan every few years even though it is the same story.Replies: @Anonymous, @Bardon Kaldian
I didn’t say I don’t like them, just I don’t see much correlation between the rank/score on this test & actual capability in science, engineering, language ..various other achievements in a country. It is especially easy to detect in smaller countries, 2 to 14 million inhabitants.
Other than that, it is as expected- Africans & their descendants are nowhere to be seen.
I couldn’t bear to read another woketard anti-white screed. However, there are very legitimate class and fairness issues involved in political secessions.
Some parts of any polity have more revenue (e.g. higher property tax income) and less need for city services (e.g., lower crime so less police spending; kids in private school so no need for public school spending). These areas will always have an incentive to seceed if that means taking their tax revenues with them while getting out of paying for other people’s services.
Taken to absurdity this process would keep fragmenting the city until it was a bunch of separate rich enclaves and a bunch of broke dirt poor slums.
In California there is some statewide law governing the process for secession. It arose out of the abortive movement for the San Fernando Valley to seceed from LA. It’s super complicated but one aspect is that there has to be some revenue sharing arrangement so that a richer area can’t just impoverish the rest of the city by simply taking their football (tax revenue) and going away.
Leaving aside the financial issue, the most legitimate reason to seceed is to get more local control over local priorities. Corruption, waste and incompetence proliferate in direct proportion to the size of a government.
In 1922 Sir William Conway toured Palestine and Morocco and wrote a book about his travels. He found the Palestinians despised the Turks and was told the natives sympathized with the Allies in WWI and were happy they “turned out the Turks”. They didn’t take the Balfour Declaration seriously.
It seems Ottoman rule left a lot to be desired, no wonder the Young Turks came about.-
https://www.dailywire.com/news/googles-d-day-banner-is-another-day-of-pride-month-celebrations
Here you can see the latest Google doodles.
https://doodles.google/
This is much more useful. Google doodles sorted by day.
https://google-doodles.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_Doodles_Sorted_by_Day
Looks like they have never done a D-Day Google Doodle?
https://google-doodles.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_Doodles_Sorted_by_Day_(June_1-15)#June_6th
Here is Google's page for that.
https://doodles.google/search/?date_like_month=6&date_like_day=6
2019 discussion about the 75th anniversary. The claim is they never celebrate military events. Anyone know if this is true?
https://support.google.com/webmasters/thread/7412917/on-the-75th-anniversary-of-d-day-google-choose-to-highlight-50-years-of-pride-really?hl=enReplies: @Ralph L, @Almost Missouri, @Colin Wright, @Almost Missouri
Anti-militarism could be very deeply embedded in Google’s corporate culture. A friend of mine who got his B.A. in computer science in 1981 (?) was deciding who to work for. It had to be somebody who wouldn’t ask him to do work for the Defense Department.
He wound up with Google.
https://www.unz.com/isteve/national-iq-trends-over-the-decades/#comment-6605024Replies: @Frau Katze
Definitely Sailer-bait. It seems to be making the rounds.
Compared to the rest of the world, everything about conscription in Norway is upside-down-- it's popular, selective, easy to avoid, and applies to both sexes because the feminists made it their priority that it do so. Can you imagine that here?
In Norway, young people compete to serve in the military
Can you imagine that here?Replies: @Gordo, @Hypnotoad666
Thanks. That’s fascinating. It seems Norway’s military is like the Ivy League — it’s a marker of prestige because it’s selective, and it’s selective because it’s a marker of prestige. (I am also guessing the lifestyle of the Norwegian military is more like a coed college campus than Full Metal Jacket.)
Norway’s Army Has Introduced Unisex Dorms and Reports No Problems
https://mf.b37mrtl.ru/files/news/30/22/00/00/norway3.jpgReplies: @Hypnotoad666, @YetAnotherAnon, @International Jew, @AnotherDad
Some parts of any polity have more revenue (e.g. higher property tax income) and less need for city services (e.g., lower crime so less police spending; kids in private school so no need for public school spending). These areas will always have an incentive to seceed if that means taking their tax revenues with them while getting out of paying for other people's services.
Taken to absurdity this process would keep fragmenting the city until it was a bunch of separate rich enclaves and a bunch of broke dirt poor slums.
In California there is some statewide law governing the process for secession. It arose out of the abortive movement for the San Fernando Valley to seceed from LA. It's super complicated but one aspect is that there has to be some revenue sharing arrangement so that a richer area can't just impoverish the rest of the city by simply taking their football (tax revenue) and going away.
Leaving aside the financial issue, the most legitimate reason to seceed is to get more local control over local priorities. Corruption, waste and incompetence proliferate in direct proportion to the size of a government.Replies: @Frau Katze
Figures California would have laws around it. According to Rod Dreher’s account, Louisiana doesn’t seem to care.
https://www.sciencenorway.no/health-intelligence-iq/our-iq-is-steadily-declining/2180595
That discusses a 2018 study which seems to be the first this was noticed there.Replies: @Peter Frost, @Hypnotoad666, @Santoculto
Bratsberg and Røgeberg argue that the reversal of the Flynn effect in Norway can be explained by “within-family variation.” In other words, the IQ decline is driven by something that is affecting younger siblings much more than older siblings. Because siblings share the same genetic background, the cause must be social and cultural.
Keep in mind, however, that siblings in Norway are increasingly half-siblings. Among Norwegian women with only two children, 13.4% have had them by more than one man. The figure rises to 24.9% among those with three children, 36.2% among those with four children, and 41.2% among those with five children (Thomson et al., 2014). If siblings have different fathers, they cannot share the same genetic background.
Who are the fathers of the younger siblings? The sort of men that single mothers often end up with, i.e., men of the lowest educational level:
“At age 45, about 15 percent of all men in the 1960-62 cohort with a compulsory education had had children with more than one woman, compared to about 5 percent among men with a tertiary degree. If looking at fathers only (Figure 6), the pattern becomes even more pronounced. At the lowest educational level, 19.3 percent of those who had become fathers had children with more than one woman, compared to 6.1 percent of those at the highest educational level.” (Lappegård et al., 2011)
References
Bratsberg, B., and Rogeberg, O. (2018). Flynn effect and its reversal are both environmentally caused. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, 115(26), 6674-6678. https://doi.org/10.1073/pnas.1718793115
Lappegård, T., Rønsen, M., and Skrede, K. (2011). Fatherhood and fertility. Fathering, 9(1), 103-120. https://doi.org/10.3149/fth.0901.103
Thomson, E., Lappegård, T., Carlson, M., Evans, A., and Gray, E. (2014). Childbearing across partnerships in Australia, the United States, Norway, and Sweden, Demography 51(2), 485-508. https://doi.org/10.1007/s13524-013-0273-6
This is obscene!Replies: @Peter Frost
cope post from sailer
Boy, is that ever an understatement.
Norway’s Army Has Introduced Unisex Dorms and Reports No Problems
What Norway could use is more actual Norwegians. Norway's had female conscription for a while, now they are having them do something useful to the nation.
Britain's Indian Prime Minister is mooting it for the UK, look at England's cities, would you give them guns?Replies: @Reg Cæsar
Some Southern senators were horrified at the idea of drafting blacks for WWI. But everywhere else, Americans would have been disgusted at granting them an exemption. A compromise was reached– they’d have to serve, but the only weapons they’d be trained with were ladles and peeling knives.
“Hard-looking?”
She had a presidential grandbaby in 2020 so allowances for motherhood are appropriate.
Keep in mind, however, that siblings in Norway are increasingly half-siblings. Among Norwegian women with only two children, 13.4% have had them by more than one man. The figure rises to 24.9% among those with three children, 36.2% among those with four children, and 41.2% among those with five children (Thomson et al., 2014). If siblings have different fathers, they cannot share the same genetic background.
Who are the fathers of the younger siblings? The sort of men that single mothers often end up with, i.e., men of the lowest educational level:
"At age 45, about 15 percent of all men in the 1960-62 cohort with a compulsory education had had children with more than one woman, compared to about 5 percent among men with a tertiary degree. If looking at fathers only (Figure 6), the pattern becomes even more pronounced. At the lowest educational level, 19.3 percent of those who had become fathers had children with more than one woman, compared to 6.1 percent of those at the highest educational level." (Lappegård et al., 2011)
References
Bratsberg, B., and Rogeberg, O. (2018). Flynn effect and its reversal are both environmentally caused. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, 115(26), 6674-6678. https://doi.org/10.1073/pnas.1718793115
Lappegård, T., Rønsen, M., and Skrede, K. (2011). Fatherhood and fertility. Fathering, 9(1), 103-120. https://doi.org/10.3149/fth.0901.103
Thomson, E., Lappegård, T., Carlson, M., Evans, A., and Gray, E. (2014). Childbearing across partnerships in Australia, the United States, Norway, and Sweden, Demography 51(2), 485-508. https://doi.org/10.1007/s13524-013-0273-6Replies: @Pixo, @Twinkie, @Truth
The mild degeneracy of Gen X Norwegians is kind of charming and quaint compared to 2024 America.
"If the cedars went up in flame, what shall the hyssop of the wall do? "
Did I do it right?Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
Hmmm. For what publication were those golems writing?
Dunno, sounds like a gamble.
Much better would be to be born with that 109 IQ as a native Guinea-Bissauan. Then you could migrate to the US and get affirmative-actioned into the Supreme Court or something.
https://www.sciencenorway.no/health-intelligence-iq/our-iq-is-steadily-declining/2180595
That discusses a 2018 study which seems to be the first this was noticed there.Replies: @Peter Frost, @Hypnotoad666, @Santoculto
LOL. “We have no idea what’s causing the decline in IQ, so it must be environmental.” That’s woke science for you.
I feel like there is a pattern to all these junk-adjacent pro-environment studies — they measure the IQs of some population and then start making wild-ass speculations about genetic vs environmental causation.
But they always leave out the data point that would resolve the issue — i.e., the IQs of the subjects’ parents. If a population’s IQ follows the expected laws of genetics (average of the parents, regressed to the mean), then causation is presumably genetic. Unless some compelling environmental mechanism can be identified that better explains the outcome, the genetic explanation has to win out.
So they just need to match Norwegian IQ to their parents IQ. If the lower IQ cohort is the result of low IQ parents having more kids that conclusion will pop right out.
They seem to have all male IQs and family records already. Mother’s IQs could presumably be determined by PISA or whatever mandatory assessment tests they use in school. There’s no reason to do this bankshot hypothesis that sibling birth order must be an environmental cause of low IQ.
What am I missing?
Do the Germans and Dutch have IQs around 107?
Norway’s Army Has Introduced Unisex Dorms and Reports No Problems
https://mf.b37mrtl.ru/files/news/30/22/00/00/norway3.jpgReplies: @Hypnotoad666, @YetAnotherAnon, @International Jew, @AnotherDad
Are Americans allowed to join the Norwegian Army? Asking for a friend.
OT: In lighter news
There is hope for boosting fertility rates – even in desperately low South Korea
One of the two churches has a TFR three times the national average, albeit that is still not much above 2.1. The other (read past the banner subscription appeal, which can trick one into thinking the article is over) has bumped up its medium-sized city's total figure to just over 1.0.
Korea's Christians, both Protestant and Catholic, are less fecund than Buddhists and the secular. Is this because they are more successful?
From the same site, China shows what real-- and successful-- "anti-Semitism" looks like, and a video tweet of Queers for Palestine disrupting a Pride parade.Replies: @Twinkie, @guest007
Buddhists in ROK are much more rural and agricultural while Christians are highly urban and skew elite.
Again, I am surprised no one seems to have looked at the source article mentioned by Mr. Sailer and noted that most advanced countries have declining, flat, or mildly increasing linear trends except Israel, which has experienced robust upward linear trend.
Given the population dynamic, this increase isn’t due to the Ashkenazi high fertility, so Israel has experienced a decent Flynn Effect among its non-Ashkenazi populations that had been an IQ drag.
No one else noted this?
They may have become inbred when they were small minorities living in Muslim countries for centuries. It might have taken a generation or two or three for them to marry outside their pre-Israeli nationality group.Replies: @Twinkie
For a fairly recent number, this answer from Quora looks reasonable. I am not finding the original source.
https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-average-IQ-of-IsraelThis is slightly different (e.g. Arab mean IQ 84 rather than 86).
https://human-intelligence.org/jews/#jews4
Lynn's 2011 book is probably the best referenced source. The first copy is a cleaner scan, but the second has a TOC and better OCR.
The Chosen People
A Study of Jewish Intelligence and Achievement
https://www.intelligence-humaine.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/The-Chosen-People.pdf
http://digamoo.free.fr/lynn2011.pdfChapter 11 goes into much more detail. Hard to summarize, but
Table 11.14. Education and earnings of European and Oriental Jews and Arabs
seems very relevant for this conversation. It looks at 1975 and 2001 and shows years of education for European Jews, Oriental Jews, and Arabs as 13.7/14.8, 10.3/12.9, 7.6/11.8.
These numbers from the conclusion of chapter 11 differ a bit from those above.The final paragraph of that conclusion is amusing.This was not terribly informative, but for completeness.
https://pumpkinperson.com/2022/02/05/the-jewish-iq-triarchy-ashkenazi-middle-eastern-orthodox/
Based on the population sizes I wonder how much each group contributed to the overall Flynn Effect? And how much did the distribution of the groups change?
Regarding population demographics, I had not realized how young the population of Israel is.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Israel
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b3/Population_pyramid_of_Israel_by_ethnic_group_in_2021.svg/1109px-Population_pyramid_of_Israel_by_ethnic_group_in_2021.svg.png
Israel IQ over time plot from Steve's link for easy reference.
https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/84c71de6-4021-48c2-a88e-a668d2447c4a_4209x2568.jpegReplies: @Reg Cæsar, @Hypnotoad666, @Twinkie
Keep in mind, however, that siblings in Norway are increasingly half-siblings. Among Norwegian women with only two children, 13.4% have had them by more than one man. The figure rises to 24.9% among those with three children, 36.2% among those with four children, and 41.2% among those with five children (Thomson et al., 2014). If siblings have different fathers, they cannot share the same genetic background.
Who are the fathers of the younger siblings? The sort of men that single mothers often end up with, i.e., men of the lowest educational level:
"At age 45, about 15 percent of all men in the 1960-62 cohort with a compulsory education had had children with more than one woman, compared to about 5 percent among men with a tertiary degree. If looking at fathers only (Figure 6), the pattern becomes even more pronounced. At the lowest educational level, 19.3 percent of those who had become fathers had children with more than one woman, compared to 6.1 percent of those at the highest educational level." (Lappegård et al., 2011)
References
Bratsberg, B., and Rogeberg, O. (2018). Flynn effect and its reversal are both environmentally caused. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, 115(26), 6674-6678. https://doi.org/10.1073/pnas.1718793115
Lappegård, T., Rønsen, M., and Skrede, K. (2011). Fatherhood and fertility. Fathering, 9(1), 103-120. https://doi.org/10.3149/fth.0901.103
Thomson, E., Lappegård, T., Carlson, M., Evans, A., and Gray, E. (2014). Childbearing across partnerships in Australia, the United States, Norway, and Sweden, Demography 51(2), 485-508. https://doi.org/10.1007/s13524-013-0273-6Replies: @Pixo, @Twinkie, @Truth
How very sub-Saharan African of them! That’s one way to weaken clannishness, I suppose (or maybe that just turns into maternal/matrilineal clannishness instead of paternal).
Norwegian women are some of the most feminist in the world, brah (all that sweet, sweet North Sea oil money doesn’t hurt either). Are you that desperate?
. based upon the lack of usual wiring and other stuff around it.
“Can you give the short version of why the new album is shocking?”
Well the short, sort of Robert Christgau version is that for an allegedly vacuous, too-pretty too-white popsicle chick she’s made a record that is musically very sophisticated, emotionally complex, emotionally rather deep really, and highly literate in the sense that she really has a good grasp of the speed, weight, and valence of words in a way that most of her cohort doesn’t. Listening to it is sort of like reading a well-written novel. Those videos are really pretty great.
It’s kind of like when you realize that all the backing vocals on Lou’s “Satellite of Love” are not done by some Philly-soul girl-backup group, it’s all actually David Bowie in disguise…..
Hai Karate — wakes you up like a cold, hard, SLAP IN THE FACE!
Imagine if you got up tomorrow and Tucker Carlson was your president. Immediately, your standard of living would increase dramatically. You and your descendants would have a wonderful future ahead. So many issues (crime, immigration, social breakdown, overdoses) would be fixed so quickly.
Let's hope that Donald J. Trump does the right thing and selects Tucker Carlson for Vice-President...
https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1798520181112664531
By the way, there are some really powerful people out there who literally perform Satanic rituals and human sacrifices. This something that I've warning you about for years...
https://twitter.com/Ultrafrog17/status/1798548263278424279Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
It freaked me out (I was pretty young).
The landlord had had the locks changed. Then one morning I found a key with a bright red key ring tossed on the ground beside the front door.
I thought the former tenants tried to unlock the door and tossed the key in anger when it failed.
Already uneasy over the symbols, I gave notice and left. I was only there for three months.
For instance, here is Taylor from a few years ago, delivering a totally cardboard, soul-less, yup-guess-I’m-famous rendition of Carole King’s great “Will You Still Love Me Tomorrow?” it’s so rehearsed and devoid of feeling that it’s really kind of embarrassing, you can see why people hate her…..
And now here she is with this new record, which makes me respect her for the first time….
It’s a world of difference, sort of like the space between Bob Mould from Metal Circus and Bob Mould from New Day Rising and Zen Arcade.
The Germ Theory of Disease says:
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The Germ Theory of Disease says:Replies: @Renard
Yeah but Q: how many of those posts involve a three-way with someone even more famous than Taylor, but he can’t tell you who it is? Until tomorrow I mean?
A: All of them, of course.
As the Talmud says (Mo’ed Katan 25b)
“If the cedars went up in flame, what shall the hyssop of the wall do? ”
OT: Fire hydrant theft has become a thing in Detroit del Sur–excuse me–Los Angeles.
The average home is not going to hold its value for long in such a high crime area.
Crime flight has become this generation’s white flight. Eventually, bug-eyed crazy white Democratic politicians will make everyone else leave except for the grifting class.
Heck, I don’t even think they have even stooped to stealing fire hydrants in Detroit. Someone pointed out they think it’s newly-arrived immigrants doing it, and I think that may be correct.
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/its-mind-boggling-los-angeles-hit-surge-fire-hydrant-thefts
The two most dysgenic countries in the world, according to the charts, are Slovakia and Australia.
In Slovakia, the high fertility rate of the Roma population compared to the rest of the population is a significant factor.
In Australia, the reason is less clear. It is not likely due to immigration, as Australia attracts immigrants with IQs above 100 but not many people with IQs over 130 as the US does.
OT: Interesting perspective of Golda Meyer — Jews and Arabs are both “Palestinians.”
https://youtube.com/shorts/V8S6OMFKvKk?si=3AnFvAdNX7gjmdR4
Given the population dynamic, this increase isn't due to the Ashkenazi high fertility, so Israel has experienced a decent Flynn Effect among its non-Ashkenazi populations that had been an IQ drag.
No one else noted this?Replies: @Ralph L, @Bardon Kaldian, @Ghost of Bull Moose, @res
Israel has experienced a decent Flynn Effect among its non-Ashkenazi populations
They may have become inbred when they were small minorities living in Muslim countries for centuries. It might have taken a generation or two or three for them to marry outside their pre-Israeli nationality group.
It's important to understand that while there were real gains--nutrition, public health, universal and better education, i.e. curtailing stunting and providing better brain stimulation--involved in the Flynn effect, it was mostly centered in the ability to Raven's type tests. In other words, more exposure to symbolic processing--from school, computers, now phones--made people wildly better at symbolic manipulation tasks. However, there was very little improvement--a few points over decades in the US--on basic verbal (reading comprehension) type IQ. In other words Flynn was only very marginally people getting smarter and mostly people learning a particular skill.
What I see in his data is:
0) Most places pretty flat, no particular trend.
1) Positive uptrends in some nations, with some capability--like Turkey--that are now doing a better job getting the most out of their human capital--as nations like Ireland did a generation earlier.
2) A small but clear slumping off now in most Western nations from immigration and perhaps dysgenics.
3) Africa remains Africa.
There's just no way around how important HBD is in shaping real world outcomes. And the utter disaster that minoritarian coup against (Anglo) empiricism in genetics and our prior broad cultural common sense understanding of human differences has been for the West.Replies: @res, @The Germ Theory of Disease
“What I see in his data is:”
Having spent a fair amount of time back in the Stone Age mired in sociological data, I came to the rough conclusion that social research is really more of putting on an ill-fitting tuxedo to try and dignify the old Yogi Berra adage that, “You know what, you can observe a lot just by looking.” Which is sort of Steve’s real stock in trade, right?
For instance, I don’t think that the incredible developmental leap between immediately pre- and post-Meiji Japan had something to do with some magical materialist nutritional boost in Japanese IQ, I think it’s pretty obvious that it had to do with cultural and socio-political shifts in emphasis, in the wake of the shocking exposure to Perry’s notorious Black Ships. You don’t just get Fukuzawa Yukichi pulled clean out of a hat one or two generations away from Hokusai, explained by biological HBD differences; it has to do with the samurai Yoshida Shoin freaking out and inspiring a generation to get up off their arses and DO something.
Were the men of the generation right before James Madison just a bunch of cavemen who then made a few changes to their diet and magically came up with The Federalist?
Maybe you have to spend your teenage years stuck on a late-night NYC subway car watching and avoiding categorical teenage negro misbehavior to recognize just how ingrained and endemic it is. I mean, me own dear father was a streetwise knife-fighting punk who after a quick stint in the Navy suddenly became an upstanding family man and homeowner, turned it all around in the space of like four years; somehow though, I don’t ever see that on the A train.
The idea being that India would be the counter point to a rising China. And of course, the politicians are also planning on mass Indian immigration to the west.Replies: @duncsbaby
You mean even more?
http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/001132.html
Rarely do I see Larry Auster quoted any more (contrary to rumour, it’s easy to be forgotten on the Internet), but he put a lot of things more aptly and succintly than anyone else I know.
It's like it's been noticed that blacks in the military don't do all that badly. Sure -- but aside from other factors, the aptitude tests mean that only the top half of black applicants are accepted.
Try meeting a genuinely random selection of blacks sometime. You don't need to get into higher order thinking skills -- they can be dumb as posts! I remember one kid in particular I was trying to explain something to. I got this flash of a fly going in one ear and coming out the other -- it was like there was nothing there...empty space.
A friend of mine who was getting a phD in child psychology or something made a comment. If you deal with a white kid with an IQ of 70, you can see something's wrong -- mother nature done fucked up, and this kid is a mess. Now a black kid with an IQ of 70, he's a normal kid -- decidedly slow, but nothing actually wrong. For a black, he's not that far from average.
Next time you get a chance to see a genuinely random sample of blacks, pay attention. These people are stupid. That's just the way it is.Replies: @Gordo, @The Anti-Gnostic
So what's an example of an undemanding task? Digging a ditch? Taking an order at a fast food place? Cleaning a public restroom? Or is it something a little more abstract, like a human resources coordinator at a large company?
Because I can tell you from first hand experience that negroes perform undemanding tasks like the first few I mentioned much less equally than their white peers.
https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2019/12/melissa-cohen-biden.jpg
She had a presidential grandbaby in 2020 so allowances for motherhood are appropriate.Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @BB753
That’s a better picture, if it’s not filtered. But she looks a lot tougher outside court.
I’ve not been following the saga, and I’m no Biden fan, but a potential 25 years for lying seems a bit much.
Addicts lie all the time, about everything.
Will be interesting to see how both Trump and Hunter Biden cases (all of them, including the ones not pursued) play out.
Norway’s Army Has Introduced Unisex Dorms and Reports No Problems
https://mf.b37mrtl.ru/files/news/30/22/00/00/norway3.jpgReplies: @Hypnotoad666, @YetAnotherAnon, @International Jew, @AnotherDad
a) remarkable – I can’t imagine that in the UK. When a girl gets smuggled into barracks (as occasionally happens) she’s lucky if she just gets away with servicing the man who brought her in. Often she’ll have to do his mates as well. And there are umpteen harrassment cases of female soldiers. Damn stupid idea having women in combat roles.We didn’t do it in WW2 when warm bodies were in short supply.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10927479/Battalion-BANNED-exercise-paratroopers-filmed-orgy-woman-smuggled-barracks.html
b) isn’t Norway where an all-female bridge crew wrecked a modern warship?
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/11/17/europe/norway-navy-sunken-frigate-scli-intl/index.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathleen_Lonsdale#Pacifism
The closest the US ever came to drafting women was in 1944, in desperation-- that was the year Eddie Slovik, rejected the year before, was drafted a second time and inducted-- and that would have been limited to licensed registered nurses.Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
Nutrition certainly helps height: Koreans, Japs and the Chinese all grew by 20cm within a generation once they had decent access to protein. Turns out you only reach the genetic height ceiling for real once you first take care of nutrition.
These days a Turk is as tall as a Russian, and all mongoloids are taller than Latinos.
https://www.worlddata.info/average-bodyheight.php
Cognition is less linear, and surely is influenced by pollution, smartphone use, drug use rates, political and social stress levels and so on. But it would be impossible for it to not be influenced by nutrition as well. Albeit it could be quite possible for certain types of corporate foods to produce “big but dim” populations.
Given the population dynamic, this increase isn't due to the Ashkenazi high fertility, so Israel has experienced a decent Flynn Effect among its non-Ashkenazi populations that had been an IQ drag.
No one else noted this?Replies: @Ralph L, @Bardon Kaldian, @Ghost of Bull Moose, @res
This is due to better educational results of Israeli Arab population (20% of the country).
A large fraction of the workforce has nothing to do all day, other than meetings & e-mails. They get bored easily. That’s why they Tweet so much during the work day.
Elon Musk fired 80% of Twitter’s workforce and kept the company going. From my experience, most corporations have at least as much overstaffing.
Turkey's a middle income country with a GDP per-capita a bit lower than Mexico. But if Turkey and Mexico were ever fighting a war ... I know how I'd bet.Replies: @Twinkie, @NJ Transit Commuter, @prosa123, @Peter Akuleyev
Having both spent time in Turkey and lived in European cities with large Turkish immigrant populations, my impression is that Turkey has successfully exported a lot of its criminal and low IQ population, making life in Turkey much nicer than it used to be.
It's not exactly directly comparable, but I remember noticing when I was traveling in Afghanistan et al in my puppy years that fellow Westerners would do things there that I'm fairly sure they would not have done at home.
If you don't perceive those around you as peers, you become indifferent to their opinions. It doesn't even really occur to you that they might have an opinion. Imagine yourself in a meadow with a bunch of cows. Would you feel self-conscious about picking your nose?
Putin is also feeding low IQ minorities and rural Russian poor into the meatgrinder, so the invasion of Ukraine will probably have long term eugenic results for Russia, and the opposite for Ukraine unfortunately.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/googles-d-day-banner-is-another-day-of-pride-month-celebrations
Here you can see the latest Google doodles.
https://doodles.google/
This is much more useful. Google doodles sorted by day.
https://google-doodles.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_Doodles_Sorted_by_Day
Looks like they have never done a D-Day Google Doodle?
https://google-doodles.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_Doodles_Sorted_by_Day_(June_1-15)#June_6th
Here is Google's page for that.
https://doodles.google/search/?date_like_month=6&date_like_day=6
2019 discussion about the 75th anniversary. The claim is they never celebrate military events. Anyone know if this is true?
https://support.google.com/webmasters/thread/7412917/on-the-75th-anniversary-of-d-day-google-choose-to-highlight-50-years-of-pride-really?hl=enReplies: @Ralph L, @Almost Missouri, @Colin Wright, @Almost Missouri
OTOH, they have done Veterans’ Day Doodles, where they like to honor every demographic except the one that does most of the fighting.
https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2014/11/11/09/Google-Doodle.jpg?quality=75&width=1250&crop=3%3A2%2Csmart&auto=webp


The only white guy is an old crippled Vietnam veteran who is well on his way to fading away.
I'm sort of way too old and too disaffected to be a dedicated Taylor fan, or an anything-fan for that matter; but I do remember the strange cultural electricity which followed the release of "Daydream Nation" or "Double Nickels on the Dime," ...that feeling that Finally! Somebody is saying it out loud! and I get that kind of sense with this new zany Taylor record. It seems epochal in some weird regard.
If nothing else, I am having a popcorn-munching good time watching and listening to all the don't-touch-my-hair racialist POC obsessives having an old-fashioned meltdown at the thought that this pretty, skinny, rather talented white chick has put out a record sort of detailing her own meltdown, and that she would have the nerve to think that her own feelings mattered (girlfriend! What. The!!?), and also that her large audience also thought that her feelings mattered.
Seems like it's worth a chat.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9r0renJWuYReplies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @QCIC, @Peter Akuleyev, @SF middleroader
do remember the strange cultural electricity which followed the release of “Daydream Nation” or “Double Nickels on the Dime,”
I can‘t tell if you’re joking. I was a big fan of both bands at the time, and the „cultural electricity“ was limited to the maybe tens of thousands of overeducated white kids who played in bands and listened to college radio. Completely niche and hard to compare in any way with the Taylor Swift phenomenon. Imagine Johnny Carson making a joke about Sonic Youth in 1988. The audience would have just stared at him uncomprehending. I don’t think even Letterman’s audience was clued in for the most part. (they only got onto Letterman on the strength of the more commercial „Dirty“ in 1992).
There is hope for boosting fertility rates – even in desperately low South Korea
One of the two churches has a TFR three times the national average, albeit that is still not much above 2.1. The other (read past the banner subscription appeal, which can trick one into thinking the article is over) has bumped up its medium-sized city's total figure to just over 1.0.
Korea's Christians, both Protestant and Catholic, are less fecund than Buddhists and the secular. Is this because they are more successful?
From the same site, China shows what real-- and successful-- "anti-Semitism" looks like, and a video tweet of Queers for Palestine disrupting a Pride parade.Replies: @Twinkie, @guest007
South Korea should be a source of analysis and conversations about why the TFR is so low. I provided several cites to Steve concerning who sexist the men are in South Korea and how mandatory military service for men but not women seems to increase the levels of sexism in South Korea. Also, South Korea seems to be a country where females do not dominate the higher education system.
But Steve had rather write about the old Negro League or write about George Floyd for the 100th time rather than explore other issues involving human biodiversity.
OT — Another Boeing surprise.
“Palestine” is what the Brits called the territory when they controlled it, 1917-1948, and it’s true that “Palestinian” referred to both Arabs and Jews. The name was invented by an earlier foreign power — Rome — and referred to the territory, not specifically to any particular ethny.
After the Brits left, the Jews declared a new state there, gave it a name in their own language — Israel — and the world got used to calling its citizens “Israelis”.
Those Arabs in that territory who didn’t wish to be known as “Israelis” needed to think of a name for themselves. They’d have come up with something authentically Arabic except there was nothing like that available because the territory of the former British Palestine Mandate had never constituted any sort of coherent Arab polity (that is, before the Brits and the French carved up spheres of influence in WW1). It was just part of the same cultural-linguistic area other parts of which became Lebanon, Syria and Jordan — analogous to NY, NJ and PA. So, lacking anything better, the Arabs stuck to the Brits’ designation “Palestine” (which, with appropriate phonetic allowances, is what they call themselves in Arabic too).
If at this point you’re wondering what the hell kind of fraud this whole “Palestinian” nationality thing is, then you’re starting to catch on.
The Palestinian people exist now. The Jews made them.
LOl yeah, simple as that!
So unless people can come up with a historically-coherent name for themselves they should be the subject of genocide. Gotcha.
Well, I see one Harley-Davidson-American there. All the others are vibrantly diverse.
Norway’s Army Has Introduced Unisex Dorms and Reports No Problems
https://mf.b37mrtl.ru/files/news/30/22/00/00/norway3.jpgReplies: @Hypnotoad666, @YetAnotherAnon, @International Jew, @AnotherDad
Are they wearing snow pants? I know Norway has units specialized at getting around on skis. I used to work with one such who did his military service (then mandatory) way up where Norway and Russia share a border. He used to say his mission was to be a speed bump in the path of the Red Army.
They're designed to make the women as unattractive as possible--and to hide involuntary boners.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ea/Conscription_map_of_the_world.svg/1280px-Conscription_map_of_the_world.svg.png
The reality of conscription was recently brought home to us when one of our family's favorite YouTubers, the Estonian cartographic aggregator "Zimbax", announced his own mandated induction, fifty years to the month our own draft was put on standby:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2SrP2yjVC0
It hit my family in different ways. My older half-brother was drafted by LBJ, my younger full brother in that lucky cohort (with Steve) that never had to register. I registered, and still have my draft card.Replies: @Stan Adams
Keep in mind, however, that siblings in Norway are increasingly half-siblings. Among Norwegian women with only two children, 13.4% have had them by more than one man. The figure rises to 24.9% among those with three children, 36.2% among those with four children, and 41.2% among those with five children (Thomson et al., 2014). If siblings have different fathers, they cannot share the same genetic background.
Who are the fathers of the younger siblings? The sort of men that single mothers often end up with, i.e., men of the lowest educational level:
"At age 45, about 15 percent of all men in the 1960-62 cohort with a compulsory education had had children with more than one woman, compared to about 5 percent among men with a tertiary degree. If looking at fathers only (Figure 6), the pattern becomes even more pronounced. At the lowest educational level, 19.3 percent of those who had become fathers had children with more than one woman, compared to 6.1 percent of those at the highest educational level." (Lappegård et al., 2011)
References
Bratsberg, B., and Rogeberg, O. (2018). Flynn effect and its reversal are both environmentally caused. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, 115(26), 6674-6678. https://doi.org/10.1073/pnas.1718793115
Lappegård, T., Rønsen, M., and Skrede, K. (2011). Fatherhood and fertility. Fathering, 9(1), 103-120. https://doi.org/10.3149/fth.0901.103
Thomson, E., Lappegård, T., Carlson, M., Evans, A., and Gray, E. (2014). Childbearing across partnerships in Australia, the United States, Norway, and Sweden, Demography 51(2), 485-508. https://doi.org/10.1007/s13524-013-0273-6Replies: @Pixo, @Twinkie, @Truth
21 out of the 52 in Norway?
This is obscene!
So the whole thing was “Palestine.” The Jews carved their own nation out of that. And everyone left over is still a “Palestinian” (although conquered by Israel.). Makes sense.
All three white families have an autistic child.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3881604/Replies: @Corpse Tooth, @Mr. Anon
They are not “autistic” anymore. They are “neuro-divergent”.
Frankly, I suspect that the whole autistic thing is just made up. Perhaps, kids like that used to just be called shy, or squirrely, or whatever. Just as ADHD is made up; it used to just be called “being a boy”. Now, being a rambunctious boy has been labeled a diagnosable illness that requires medication.
If these conditions aren’t made up – if they are real – then they demand an explanation as to why there has been an explosion in their incidence in the last forty years or so. And it would likely have to be an environmental cause. What is it then? Processed food? Pharmaceuticals? Microplastics? Vaccines? The people charged with managing “public health” – who largely seem indifferent to the health of the public – would have to entertain some of these ideas and give them serious study if they really wanted to find an answer. But they won’t.
Try calling an Arab ‘Palestinian’ during the British mandate and see what happens. ‘South Syrian,’ please.
If Israel has a right to exist, it's simply because the facts on the ground established by conquest and immigration give it the right to exist. Same reason the US and Australia have the right to exist. Really those are better reasons than trying to use ancient history and God as a justification.Replies: @mc23, @Mactoul, @Houston 1992, @Ghost of Bull Moose
Given the population dynamic, this increase isn't due to the Ashkenazi high fertility, so Israel has experienced a decent Flynn Effect among its non-Ashkenazi populations that had been an IQ drag.
No one else noted this?Replies: @Ralph L, @Bardon Kaldian, @Ghost of Bull Moose, @res
Lower proportion of Arabs, for one thing.
OT — November 5th will decide whether we can have anything or whether we become rats in the walls gnawing the wiring. He doesn’t mention bestgore or search but they’re among the most important victims of the 2020 purge: bestgore being the closest thing to experience to force people to accept the reality of diversity (“is that a sword?”), and search — Google, YouTube, everything — clearly getting castrated and made artificially ineffective.
You've probably seen this, but if not, it looks like prime Sailerbait.
https://twitter.com/CityLab/status/1798002034555146652
https://twitter.com/BackTheBunny/status/1798097434343821744
https://twitter.com/Muhsoci0factors/status/1798108900480131158Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose, @Anonymous
Whites: Can’t move in, can’t move out, can’t live by themselves.
No “P” in Arabic. “Palestine” written in Arabic clearly invokes a pre-Roman (and probably pre-Jewish) people. Imagine tutoring a student who says 2+2=3, then just waits for you to leave, then repeats that 2+2=3. Now imagine that he can’t figure out why he’s not persuading anyone.
On that upper doodle, I immediately noticed something wrong with the Marine, but couldn’t quite figure out what it was. Then on closer inspection it became apparent that his civilian half is wearing a dress, even though he is obviously a dude. So presumably he is supposed to be a tranny.
The only white guy is an old crippled Vietnam veteran who is well on his way to fading away.
I'm sort of way too old and too disaffected to be a dedicated Taylor fan, or an anything-fan for that matter; but I do remember the strange cultural electricity which followed the release of "Daydream Nation" or "Double Nickels on the Dime," ...that feeling that Finally! Somebody is saying it out loud! and I get that kind of sense with this new zany Taylor record. It seems epochal in some weird regard.
If nothing else, I am having a popcorn-munching good time watching and listening to all the don't-touch-my-hair racialist POC obsessives having an old-fashioned meltdown at the thought that this pretty, skinny, rather talented white chick has put out a record sort of detailing her own meltdown, and that she would have the nerve to think that her own feelings mattered (girlfriend! What. The!!?), and also that her large audience also thought that her feelings mattered.
Seems like it's worth a chat.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9r0renJWuYReplies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @QCIC, @Peter Akuleyev, @SF middleroader
Minutemen and Sonic Youth both very admirable bands, but any “strange cultural electricity” was strictly limited to small groups of people.
Perhaps a woman has to be hard-looking to stomach marrying Hunter Biden, a skeevy crack-addict who parties with hookers on weekend-long benders and who slept with his own sister-in-law (and did so less than a year after his brother / her husband was in the ground).
Hunter Biden is a degenerate low-life and a parasite. He is like a modern day Cesare Borgia.
The Romans rebranded Judea following multiple uprising of the Jews.
They renamed the area after the Philistines to royally goad Israel.
An ancient enemy Philistia transmogrified into Roman Syria-Palaestina now the modern Palestine.
Do modern Jews have the slightest interest in being lumped in with Saul and David’s arch enemies?
https://roddreher.substack.com/p/frowney-andersReplies: @Prester John, @SF middleroader
What you say about St. George / Baton Rouge is true here in New Orleans as well. The only good news is that the new governor (R replacing D) has sent the state police to New Orleans to try to make it less crime-ridden before the Super Bowl.
When did this happen? Is she crazy?
I heard she was mouthing off to someone Trump related or pro Trump at the trial. "Mixing it up", as it were. So Hunter has his own moll?
She seems to have appeared out of nowhere, at least to me.
"Hard looking blonde" , yes, thanks. Great description. Probably a Clairol Blonde though...Replies: @J.Ross, @SF middleroader
The hard-looking blonde (good phrase) is his wife. Don’t know anything else about her except at the trial she went up to some guy who runs a right-leaning website dedicated to Hunter’s laptop, and told him “You have no right to be here, you Nazi”. The stripper who dated Hunter and testified at trial (not the stripper who is the mother of his child) testified that Hunter was very nice and charming — apparently for all his scummery he has game with the ladies.
It’s also possible that people who are alienated from those around them behave worse than those who are not.
It’s not exactly directly comparable, but I remember noticing when I was traveling in Afghanistan et al in my puppy years that fellow Westerners would do things there that I’m fairly sure they would not have done at home.
If you don’t perceive those around you as peers, you become indifferent to their opinions. It doesn’t even really occur to you that they might have an opinion. Imagine yourself in a meadow with a bunch of cows. Would you feel self-conscious about picking your nose?
While I disagree completely with your account of the history of ‘Palestine,’ to some extent, it doesn’t matter.
The Palestinian people exist now. The Jews made them.
Really, so what? So the land is historically South Syria and the native people are really South Syrians, it’s still not historically “Israel” except in the sense that France is “Gaul” or Ukraine is “Scythia”. A name change doesn’t mean people who lived there for centuries don’t have the right to live in their ancestral homes and have to be displaced by wealthier immigrants.
If Israel has a right to exist, it’s simply because the facts on the ground established by conquest and immigration give it the right to exist. Same reason the US and Australia have the right to exist. Really those are better reasons than trying to use ancient history and God as a justification.
In the end all land is held by force and Israeli's aren't going anywhere. It's indisputable they created a marvelous nation but the Arab bad /Zionist good framing inaccurate.
In 1922 the Jews were outnumbered by 8 to 1. Twenty-six years later Jews made up one third of the population, organized for a war that displaced at least half a million non-combatants and refused them re-entry and took their land. Somethings can't be undone and we're seeing the side effects seventy five years later.Replies: @International Jew
Today uSA has a 36 Trillion national debt , but in the future changing demographics in USA , a 100 trillion national debt , a dollar no longer holding reserve currency status , improvements in Chinese -Russian -Iran weapons systems then Israel might not be so secure. In terms of military recruitment we are already seen drops in enrollment in the military eg the Coast Guard decided to cut the number of its cutters by 10% in 2024 rather than reduce crew standards.
How will Israel ‘s “right” hold up in a multipolar world with Americans scraping to make ends meet ?
A significant number of the Arabs who lived in Palestine pre-1948 had moved there recently. Arthur Koestler's Promise and Fulfillment describes this well.
I live in America, and I'm American. I'm not going anywhere. How about you?
Helium is the leakiest shit in the universe, next to hydrogen.
Given the population dynamic, this increase isn't due to the Ashkenazi high fertility, so Israel has experienced a decent Flynn Effect among its non-Ashkenazi populations that had been an IQ drag.
No one else noted this?Replies: @Ralph L, @Bardon Kaldian, @Ghost of Bull Moose, @res
Thanks for calling that out. I did not go through the countries in detail. It would be interesting to see estimated IQs by subgroup in Israel over time.
For a fairly recent number, this answer from Quora looks reasonable. I am not finding the original source.
https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-average-IQ-of-Israel
This is slightly different (e.g. Arab mean IQ 84 rather than 86).
https://human-intelligence.org/jews/#jews4
Lynn’s 2011 book is probably the best referenced source. The first copy is a cleaner scan, but the second has a TOC and better OCR.
The Chosen People
A Study of Jewish Intelligence and Achievement
https://www.intelligence-humaine.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/The-Chosen-People.pdf
http://digamoo.free.fr/lynn2011.pdf
Chapter 11 goes into much more detail. Hard to summarize, but
Table 11.14. Education and earnings of European and Oriental Jews and Arabs
seems very relevant for this conversation. It looks at 1975 and 2001 and shows years of education for European Jews, Oriental Jews, and Arabs as 13.7/14.8, 10.3/12.9, 7.6/11.8.
These numbers from the conclusion of chapter 11 differ a bit from those above.
The final paragraph of that conclusion is amusing.
This was not terribly informative, but for completeness.
https://pumpkinperson.com/2022/02/05/the-jewish-iq-triarchy-ashkenazi-middle-eastern-orthodox/
Based on the population sizes I wonder how much each group contributed to the overall Flynn Effect? And how much did the distribution of the groups change?
Regarding population demographics, I had not realized how young the population of Israel is.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Israel
Israel IQ over time plot from Steve’s link for easy reference.

(Sorry. Please grant me some latitude. Bad weather took us off the grid for some time yesterday, and we lost our bearings.)
Looking at the European Jews, the secular ones have declined in number in Israel while the Haredim have increased in fraction:
https://en.idi.org.il/media/16146/haredim-e.jpg
The Arab population is flat, so that probably has little influence on the upward trend.Replies: @nebulafox
See this.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flynn_effectBTW, that is the response to people who attempt to "debunk" the Flynn Effect by claiming it implies that the smartest people in the past would have been much less smart than in the present.
P.S. It is important to note that the IQ scores were adjusted for the Flynn Effect. From Steve's original link.Replies: @Hypnotoad666
It seems to me the principle to keep in mind is that the “map is not the terrain” — i.e., answering IQ test questions is not IQ. Rather, it is only a means of measuring IQ/g. And it is only a valid measure to the extent answering the IQ test questions correlates to an empirical real world outcome that we would describe as demonstrated “intelligence.”
The usual real-world metric is educational aptitude and achievement. So this should be the metric for testing whether Flynn-enhanced raw scores represent real increases in intelligence.
For example just compare the output of college or HS students today against those of 60 years ago. Based on raw numbers of correct answers on 60 year-old IQ tests, current students are supposedly 20 IQ points smarter. If that were true, they would be blazing through the subject matter in half the time and scoring far higher on the final test of substantive knowledge.
Is that happening? Obviously not. So the hypothesis that the “Flynn effect is a real IQ increase” should be easily tested (and debunked).
This should be easy. What am I missing?
The second part is the recent apparent reversal of the Flynn Effect in some more developed countries.
The third part is demographic change in the US.
Regarding college (and HS to a lesser extent) student comparisons, those are hard to make given how much the attendance rate has changed Here is data from 1960 to 2022.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/184260/educational-attainment-in-the-us/
Looking at HS math, we do see significant changes in courses taken.
https://www.aei.org/research-products/report/math-in-american-high-schools/
https://www.aei.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/SchneiderFigure4.jpg
That article discusses the disconnect between that (and even more, increasing math GPA) with fairly stable NAEP scores which speaks to your point.
My anecdotal experience is that the prevalence of higher end math skills (e.g. calculus, linear algebra, statistics) has increased over time. Not sure how much of that is due to the increasing presence of Asians and greater resulting competition. And how much might be due to having computers to do the heavy lifting of calculation. That contrasts with basic math skills (e.g. making change).
I think much of the idiocy of The Current Year is from being taught (and encouraged/required to believe) things which simply are not true. The attempts to justify that result in much specious reasoning.
I share your "This should be easy" skepticism to some degree. One of my hobby horses is: why can't we do large scale tests of present people on old IQ tests? Then use those results compared to earlier samples as a more direct measure of the Flynn Effect over a long period of time. When making comparisons it is better to use a single measurement with a large differential rather than summing multiple incremental (e.g. over 100 years rather every 10 years) measurements where the errors are larger as a proportion of the measurement.
Two posts about the Flynn Effect by James Thompson. I think my analogy in the comments of the first with average and maximum lifespan is worth considering.
https://www.unz.com/jthompson/what-do-iq-researchers-really-think-about-the-flynn-effect/
https://www.unz.com/jthompson/the-flynn-effect-explained-partly/
From the first link.This 2023 paper might be useful.
Looking for Flynn effects in a recent online U.S. adult sample: Examining shifts within the SAPA Project
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160289623000156
HighlightsP.S. You might find this 1999 paper interesting.
A Critique of the Flynn Effect: Massive IQ Gains, Methodological Artifacts, or Both?
http://www.iapsych.com/iqmr/fe/LinkedDocuments/rodgers1999.pdf
From the same author.
Identification of a Flynn Effect in the NLSY: Moving from the center to the boundaries
http://www.iapsych.com/iqmr/fe/LinkedDocuments/rodgers2007.pdf
Methodological Issues Associated with Studying the Flynn Effect: Exploratory and Confirmatory Efforts in the Past, Present, and Future
https://www.mdpi.com/2079-3200/3/4/111
Eleven articles and 27 authors pay tribute to James Flynn: A summary and critique of special issue articles on the Flynn effect
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0160289623000752Replies: @Hypnotoad666
It probably helped that the population of every group was quite small and poor. As said of the Romans, you gave us desolation and called it peace.
On topic: How do they do IQ tests of illiterates? How can we compare the quality of education in backward states when we can't even measure our own? Money or time spent sure ain't it.Replies: @Reg Cæsar
Neuropsychological Test Performance in Illiterate Subjects
Of corse, there will be resistance to that, too, more so than to the regular tests:
IQ variations across time and race are explained by literacy differences – Nature
(Shouldn’t that last word be Nurture?)
Rarely do I see Larry Auster quoted any more (contrary to rumour, it's easy to be forgotten on the Internet), but he put a lot of things more aptly and succintly than anyone else I know.Replies: @res, @YetAnotherAnon, @Colin Wright, @Mike Tre, @BB753
Thanks. Just following that is this. How much does it explain the last 20 years? And the next 20?
For a fairly recent number, this answer from Quora looks reasonable. I am not finding the original source.
https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-average-IQ-of-IsraelThis is slightly different (e.g. Arab mean IQ 84 rather than 86).
https://human-intelligence.org/jews/#jews4
Lynn's 2011 book is probably the best referenced source. The first copy is a cleaner scan, but the second has a TOC and better OCR.
The Chosen People
A Study of Jewish Intelligence and Achievement
https://www.intelligence-humaine.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/The-Chosen-People.pdf
http://digamoo.free.fr/lynn2011.pdfChapter 11 goes into much more detail. Hard to summarize, but
Table 11.14. Education and earnings of European and Oriental Jews and Arabs
seems very relevant for this conversation. It looks at 1975 and 2001 and shows years of education for European Jews, Oriental Jews, and Arabs as 13.7/14.8, 10.3/12.9, 7.6/11.8.
These numbers from the conclusion of chapter 11 differ a bit from those above.The final paragraph of that conclusion is amusing.This was not terribly informative, but for completeness.
https://pumpkinperson.com/2022/02/05/the-jewish-iq-triarchy-ashkenazi-middle-eastern-orthodox/
Based on the population sizes I wonder how much each group contributed to the overall Flynn Effect? And how much did the distribution of the groups change?
Regarding population demographics, I had not realized how young the population of Israel is.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Israel
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b3/Population_pyramid_of_Israel_by_ethnic_group_in_2021.svg/1109px-Population_pyramid_of_Israel_by_ethnic_group_in_2021.svg.png
Israel IQ over time plot from Steve's link for easy reference.
https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/84c71de6-4021-48c2-a88e-a668d2447c4a_4209x2568.jpegReplies: @Reg Cæsar, @Hypnotoad666, @Twinkie
From longitudinal studies?
(Sorry. Please grant me some latitude. Bad weather took us off the grid for some time yesterday, and we lost our bearings.)
I think they are trying to create a patina of “fairness” regarding the Trump kangaroo court.
Will be interesting to see how both Trump and Hunter Biden cases (all of them, including the ones not pursued) play out.
For a fairly recent number, this answer from Quora looks reasonable. I am not finding the original source.
https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-average-IQ-of-IsraelThis is slightly different (e.g. Arab mean IQ 84 rather than 86).
https://human-intelligence.org/jews/#jews4
Lynn's 2011 book is probably the best referenced source. The first copy is a cleaner scan, but the second has a TOC and better OCR.
The Chosen People
A Study of Jewish Intelligence and Achievement
https://www.intelligence-humaine.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/The-Chosen-People.pdf
http://digamoo.free.fr/lynn2011.pdfChapter 11 goes into much more detail. Hard to summarize, but
Table 11.14. Education and earnings of European and Oriental Jews and Arabs
seems very relevant for this conversation. It looks at 1975 and 2001 and shows years of education for European Jews, Oriental Jews, and Arabs as 13.7/14.8, 10.3/12.9, 7.6/11.8.
These numbers from the conclusion of chapter 11 differ a bit from those above.The final paragraph of that conclusion is amusing.This was not terribly informative, but for completeness.
https://pumpkinperson.com/2022/02/05/the-jewish-iq-triarchy-ashkenazi-middle-eastern-orthodox/
Based on the population sizes I wonder how much each group contributed to the overall Flynn Effect? And how much did the distribution of the groups change?
Regarding population demographics, I had not realized how young the population of Israel is.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Israel
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b3/Population_pyramid_of_Israel_by_ethnic_group_in_2021.svg/1109px-Population_pyramid_of_Israel_by_ethnic_group_in_2021.svg.png
Israel IQ over time plot from Steve's link for easy reference.
https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/84c71de6-4021-48c2-a88e-a668d2447c4a_4209x2568.jpegReplies: @Reg Cæsar, @Hypnotoad666, @Twinkie
Almost every Israeli is a dual citizen somewhere else. Maybe Israel’s collective IQ is lower than diaspora Jews for the same reason India is lower than diaspora Indians. That is, the smarter fraction have more opportunity in the U.S. so they are here instead of there.
In addition to the Misrahi and Arabs (and Ethiopians!) pulling the average down, I think there is a lot of skepticism about how Jewish the 1 million Russian immigrants in the 1990s were.
It would be interesting to see how Israeli GWAS scores correlate to percentage Ashkenazi genes.
That’s not true. For one thing, 80% of the Jewish population is native born and more like 98% of its Arab population.Replies: @Anonymous
https://www.sciencenorway.no/health-intelligence-iq/our-iq-is-steadily-declining/2180595
That discusses a 2018 study which seems to be the first this was noticed there.Replies: @Peter Frost, @Hypnotoad666, @Santoculto
“The development is due to environmental factors – in other words something in our surroundings,” says Røgeberg.”
Maybe something in the beer…
Are they wearing snow pants?
They’re designed to make the women as unattractive as possible–and to hide involuntary boners.
The usual real-world metric is educational aptitude and achievement. So this should be the metric for testing whether Flynn-enhanced raw scores represent real increases in intelligence.
For example just compare the output of college or HS students today against those of 60 years ago. Based on raw numbers of correct answers on 60 year-old IQ tests, current students are supposedly 20 IQ points smarter. If that were true, they would be blazing through the subject matter in half the time and scoring far higher on the final test of substantive knowledge.
Is that happening? Obviously not. So the hypothesis that the "Flynn effect is a real IQ increase" should be easily tested (and debunked).
This should be easy. What am I missing?Replies: @res
The first part is the point I made in the comment you replied to. The Flynn Effect gains appear to be concentrated at the low end.
The second part is the recent apparent reversal of the Flynn Effect in some more developed countries.
The third part is demographic change in the US.
Regarding college (and HS to a lesser extent) student comparisons, those are hard to make given how much the attendance rate has changed Here is data from 1960 to 2022.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/184260/educational-attainment-in-the-us/
Looking at HS math, we do see significant changes in courses taken.
https://www.aei.org/research-products/report/math-in-american-high-schools/
That article discusses the disconnect between that (and even more, increasing math GPA) with fairly stable NAEP scores which speaks to your point.
My anecdotal experience is that the prevalence of higher end math skills (e.g. calculus, linear algebra, statistics) has increased over time. Not sure how much of that is due to the increasing presence of Asians and greater resulting competition. And how much might be due to having computers to do the heavy lifting of calculation. That contrasts with basic math skills (e.g. making change).
I think much of the idiocy of The Current Year is from being taught (and encouraged/required to believe) things which simply are not true. The attempts to justify that result in much specious reasoning.
I share your “This should be easy” skepticism to some degree. One of my hobby horses is: why can’t we do large scale tests of present people on old IQ tests? Then use those results compared to earlier samples as a more direct measure of the Flynn Effect over a long period of time. When making comparisons it is better to use a single measurement with a large differential rather than summing multiple incremental (e.g. over 100 years rather every 10 years) measurements where the errors are larger as a proportion of the measurement.
Two posts about the Flynn Effect by James Thompson. I think my analogy in the comments of the first with average and maximum lifespan is worth considering.
https://www.unz.com/jthompson/what-do-iq-researchers-really-think-about-the-flynn-effect/
https://www.unz.com/jthompson/the-flynn-effect-explained-partly/
From the first link.
This 2023 paper might be useful.
Looking for Flynn effects in a recent online U.S. adult sample: Examining shifts within the SAPA Project
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160289623000156
Highlights
P.S. You might find this 1999 paper interesting.
A Critique of the Flynn Effect: Massive IQ Gains, Methodological Artifacts, or Both?
http://www.iapsych.com/iqmr/fe/LinkedDocuments/rodgers1999.pdf
From the same author.
Identification of a Flynn Effect in the NLSY: Moving from the center to the boundaries
http://www.iapsych.com/iqmr/fe/LinkedDocuments/rodgers2007.pdf
Methodological Issues Associated with Studying the Flynn Effect: Exploratory and Confirmatory Efforts in the Past, Present, and Future
https://www.mdpi.com/2079-3200/3/4/111
Eleven articles and 27 authors pay tribute to James Flynn: A summary and critique of special issue articles on the Flynn effect
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0160289623000752
This is obscene!Replies: @Peter Frost
Sorry, but your guess (bluff?) isn’t even close.
In 2023, there were 7,119 children in Norway with five or more siblings and living with both parents.
https://www.ssb.no/en/statbank/table/06241/tableViewLayout1/
Well, I guess you’ll be happy that the deep state is taking him out.
It’s pronounced “Falastin” with F for the P that doesn’t exist in Arabic. Not pre-Roman.
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/PalestineThis page claims Palestine derives from Falastin as you say.
https://www.reddit.com/r/arabs/comments/18wc5jz/palestine_word_etymology/
But this video claims the reverse--that Falastin was derived from Palestine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0A04lpMnQAReplies: @Hypnotoad666, @Frau Katze, @Colin Wright
DINKs and SINKs (and let us add “QUINKs”) are part of the explanation for sliding IQ scores. From the WSJ four weeks ago:
The Couples Embracing the DINK Label
“It’s all about me!” Is selfishness itself genetic?
There is a kind of “uterine paradox” here– the smarter (or healthier, prettier, etc.) a woman is, the higher the relative value of her uterus to her brain (or constitution or looks), not lower. Also, the bright (and blooming and beautiful) having many children decreases the gap between them and the average, which is only fair. And everybody comes out ahead, though perhaps not as “ahead” as the DINKs want to be with their three or four overseas vacations would like to be.
That one couple interviewed is black, and another individual has a Spanish surname, might be considered eugenic for the US as a whole by many here.
It's also the theory of comparative advantage:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparative_advantage
"Widely regarded as one of the most powerful yet counter-intuitive insights in economics"
Women have a YUGE comparative advantage over men when it comes to birthing babies.
Therefore, even if a woman might make an excellent doctor, it's better for men to be doctors and for the women who could have been doctors to have the (bright) babies.
She is a South African Jewess and Mossad asset. She attended King David High School Victory Park, which was named in honor of the bombing of the King David Hotel.
She and Crackhead were married SIX DAYS after they met. It was obviously decreed that Crackhead needed a handler.Replies: @JimDandy, @Reg Cæsar
The second part is the recent apparent reversal of the Flynn Effect in some more developed countries.
The third part is demographic change in the US.
Regarding college (and HS to a lesser extent) student comparisons, those are hard to make given how much the attendance rate has changed Here is data from 1960 to 2022.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/184260/educational-attainment-in-the-us/
Looking at HS math, we do see significant changes in courses taken.
https://www.aei.org/research-products/report/math-in-american-high-schools/
https://www.aei.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/SchneiderFigure4.jpg
That article discusses the disconnect between that (and even more, increasing math GPA) with fairly stable NAEP scores which speaks to your point.
My anecdotal experience is that the prevalence of higher end math skills (e.g. calculus, linear algebra, statistics) has increased over time. Not sure how much of that is due to the increasing presence of Asians and greater resulting competition. And how much might be due to having computers to do the heavy lifting of calculation. That contrasts with basic math skills (e.g. making change).
I think much of the idiocy of The Current Year is from being taught (and encouraged/required to believe) things which simply are not true. The attempts to justify that result in much specious reasoning.
I share your "This should be easy" skepticism to some degree. One of my hobby horses is: why can't we do large scale tests of present people on old IQ tests? Then use those results compared to earlier samples as a more direct measure of the Flynn Effect over a long period of time. When making comparisons it is better to use a single measurement with a large differential rather than summing multiple incremental (e.g. over 100 years rather every 10 years) measurements where the errors are larger as a proportion of the measurement.
Two posts about the Flynn Effect by James Thompson. I think my analogy in the comments of the first with average and maximum lifespan is worth considering.
https://www.unz.com/jthompson/what-do-iq-researchers-really-think-about-the-flynn-effect/
https://www.unz.com/jthompson/the-flynn-effect-explained-partly/
From the first link.This 2023 paper might be useful.
Looking for Flynn effects in a recent online U.S. adult sample: Examining shifts within the SAPA Project
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160289623000156
HighlightsP.S. You might find this 1999 paper interesting.
A Critique of the Flynn Effect: Massive IQ Gains, Methodological Artifacts, or Both?
http://www.iapsych.com/iqmr/fe/LinkedDocuments/rodgers1999.pdf
From the same author.
Identification of a Flynn Effect in the NLSY: Moving from the center to the boundaries
http://www.iapsych.com/iqmr/fe/LinkedDocuments/rodgers2007.pdf
Methodological Issues Associated with Studying the Flynn Effect: Exploratory and Confirmatory Efforts in the Past, Present, and Future
https://www.mdpi.com/2079-3200/3/4/111
Eleven articles and 27 authors pay tribute to James Flynn: A summary and critique of special issue articles on the Flynn effect
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0160289623000752Replies: @Hypnotoad666
That certainly makes sense. And thanks for the usual wealth of information and insight. You should really have your own Substack or blog on these issues (maybe you do under another handle).
That happened to me. The symbols were spray painted on the concrete floor of an out building.
It freaked me out (I was pretty young).
The landlord had had the locks changed. Then one morning I found a key with a bright red key ring tossed on the ground beside the front door.
I thought the former tenants tried to unlock the door and tossed the key in anger when it failed.
Already uneasy over the symbols, I gave notice and left. I was only there for three months.
“Promised” is not the same as “delivered”. How much in reparations have California blacks received from Gov Newsom?
“Sucks up” is not the same as “does something for”. (Other than free publicity for their “songs.”)
Riot control is a state responsibility, not federal. Rick should read the Tenth Amendment. Trump couldn’t order the National Guard out if the governors didn’t ask him to. If federal property is threatened, such as a post office, he can intervene.
Trump is the one-eyed man in the land of the blind. Not quite “eyeless in Gaza”.
https://nypost.com/2024/05/04/us-news/california-mocked-over-high-speed-rail-bridge-to-nowhere-that-took-9-years-to-build/
Dame Kathleen Lonsdale, a Quaker, did time in prison for draft evasion. Women were drafted in both the UK and Germany, if only to pick potatoes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathleen_Lonsdale#Pacifism
The closest the US ever came to drafting women was in 1944, in desperation– that was the year Eddie Slovik, rejected the year before, was drafted a second time and inducted– and that would have been limited to licensed registered nurses.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women's_Auxiliary_Air_Force
" It only applied to those between 20 and 30 years of age and they had the choice of the military auxiliary services, the civilian Women's Land Army or factory work in support of the war effort."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_Alexandra%27s_Royal_Army_Nursing_Corps
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women%27s_Royal_Naval_Service
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathleen_Lonsdale#Pacifism
The closest the US ever came to drafting women was in 1944, in desperation-- that was the year Eddie Slovik, rejected the year before, was drafted a second time and inducted-- and that would have been limited to licensed registered nurses.Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
We drafted women, but not into combat roles.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women’s_Auxiliary_Air_Force
” It only applied to those between 20 and 30 years of age and they had the choice of the military auxiliary services, the civilian Women’s Land Army or factory work in support of the war effort.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_Alexandra%27s_Royal_Army_Nursing_Corps
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women%27s_Royal_Naval_Service
In other words, the Israeli government acknowledges the utter futility of attempting to upgrade the grey matter of Ashkenazi meatheads, who constitute the most self-congratulatory subset of the human race.
I find this axiom to be utterly without merit, and in fact morally offensive.
Rather it seems to me that the core moral principle is the right to defect. You do not have the right to other people's stuff nor to compel their labor. But your entitled--if capable--to withdraw from a community--not making demands upon it--and make your own way, or make community with like minded people.
A key principle for adults is "do I need you? am I demanding something from you? If I'm making demands upon you, then you can make reciprocal demands upon me. But if you are capable of, willing to doing without anyone person/group then it is their demands upon you that are morally unsupported, illegitimate.
I think it is critical to get white people's minds out of the minoritarian rut. The simple reality is whites do not need any minorities around to provide for themselves and create decent, prosperous, pleasant communities and nations. Whites are entitled to look after their own interests--just like blacks or Jews do--and make community, with the norms that they find congenial with anyone they wish.Replies: @Diversity Heretic, @ic1000, @Inspector Grant, @Anonymous
Alas, the legal ability to defect has been all but eliminated by Brown v Board of Education, and most egregiously of all, by the 1964 Civil Rights Act. Restoring our rights will not be possible without drastic measures that the younger generations show no signs of being willing or capable of doing.
We are ginning up for a naval confrontation with the “Red Chinese” and yet the US Navy cannot suppress . . . the Houthis.
I’m probably just missing something.
she looks like the Peaky Blinders guy in drag.
You've probably seen this, but if not, it looks like prime Sailerbait.
https://twitter.com/CityLab/status/1798002034555146652
https://twitter.com/BackTheBunny/status/1798097434343821744
https://twitter.com/Muhsoci0factors/status/1798108900480131158Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose, @Anonymous
Unless there’s some way to enforce segregation, these new cities will eventually be back to the situation that inspired them to separate.
“After the Brits left, the Jews declared a new state there, gave it a name in their own language — Israel — and the world got used to calling its citizens “Israelis”. ”
LOl yeah, simple as that!
Rarely do I see Larry Auster quoted any more (contrary to rumour, it's easy to be forgotten on the Internet), but he put a lot of things more aptly and succintly than anyone else I know.Replies: @res, @YetAnotherAnon, @Colin Wright, @Mike Tre, @BB753
There ARE some bright black people – I’ve worked with a few.In my university and working life I’ve met lots of bright Jews, a lot of bright whites, a fair few bright Asians, four or five bright blacks (one, a woman project manager, was very impressive – after meeting #1 I resolved never to attend HER meetings unprepared or try to ‘wing it’).
I just had a brilliant idea. Newsome can just turn over California’s $100 billion high-speed rail system to California’s blacks, and we’ll call it even.
https://nypost.com/2024/05/04/us-news/california-mocked-over-high-speed-rail-bridge-to-nowhere-that-took-9-years-to-build/
In other trends:
https://modernity.news/2024/06/07/obese-woman-wins-miss-alabama-and-people-have-questions/
https://nypost.com/2024/06/07/us-news/bailey-anne-kennedy-crowned-first-transgender-miss-maryland-usa/Replies: @Corvinus
Thanks! I knew some of that, but some not and with repetition maybe I will remember more. Have you seen this book?
While writing this comment I reread the reviews of that book on Amazon. Which led me to this from Robert Silverberg. Thanks!
Rereading Kornbluth
https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1175534
https://bookreadfree.com/397177/9767160
Silverberg has quite a few in the “Rereading…” series.
https://isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?10400
Here is what Wiktionary says.
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Palestine
This page claims Palestine derives from Falastin as you say.
But this video claims the reverse–that Falastin was derived from Palestine.
The change to pronouncing “ph” like “f” came way later in European languages.
That suggests it was pronounced with a “p” at one time.
As to how the natives of area pronounced it, I don’t know. I did study some Ancient Greek but that’s about it.
One-eyed isn’t going to solve any problems, and it may make things worse because many of Trump’s fans don’t demand anything from him. I don’t like the prosecutions and I voted for Trump before. But we have to be honest – Trump did very little for his voters while in office and the country was a much worse place when he left.
https://ireneliebler.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Holdin-Your-Feet-to-the-Fire-irene-liebler.jpg
What do you mean “then-“? It still is. Same in Sweden (as in Norway, for women, too), and Denmark, Finland, the Baltics, and others for men. Red is “active”, and dark blue a lighter version of active:
The reality of conscription was recently brought home to us when one of our family’s favorite YouTubers, the Estonian cartographic aggregator “Zimbax”, announced his own mandated induction, fifty years to the month our own draft was put on standby:
It hit my family in different ways. My older half-brother was drafted by LBJ, my younger full brother in that lucky cohort (with Steve) that never had to register. I registered, and still have my draft card.
One was gay, and one died of AIDS.
The one who died of AIDS was not the gay one. He was the one who was drafted and shipped off to 'Nam. He picked up a heroin habit over there and couldn't shake it when he got back here. At some point in the '80s he injected himself with a dirty needle and ... you can guess what happened.
Incidentally, a few more pages of the manifesto written by the tranny girl - a *girl* (with a vagina and a uterus and the whole shebang) who wanted to be a *boy* - who shot up the Christian school in Nashville leaked this week.
https://dailycaller.com/2024/06/07/audrey-hale-writings-imaginary-penis-fantasies-bestiatlity-sessions-report/
Much of her ranting is boilerplate tranny stuff.But here's an interesting little tidbit:Huh.
So ... what kind of doll did she use? A Ken doll with no visible genitalia? An anatomically-correct Billy doll? Stretch Armstrong?
And what kind of stuffed animal did she use?Replies: @Reg Cæsar
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/PalestineThis page claims Palestine derives from Falastin as you say.
https://www.reddit.com/r/arabs/comments/18wc5jz/palestine_word_etymology/
But this video claims the reverse--that Falastin was derived from Palestine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0A04lpMnQAReplies: @Hypnotoad666, @Frau Katze, @Colin Wright
Adding insult to Injury.
OT: Latest on the alleged racist hate crime in San Francisco:
SFPD releases images of person of interest in case of racist items left at home
https://www.kron4.com/news/bay-area/sfpd-releases-images-of-person-of-interest-in-case-of-racist-items-left-at-home/
OT- worth watching
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ea/Conscription_map_of_the_world.svg/1280px-Conscription_map_of_the_world.svg.png
The reality of conscription was recently brought home to us when one of our family's favorite YouTubers, the Estonian cartographic aggregator "Zimbax", announced his own mandated induction, fifty years to the month our own draft was put on standby:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2SrP2yjVC0
It hit my family in different ways. My older half-brother was drafted by LBJ, my younger full brother in that lucky cohort (with Steve) that never had to register. I registered, and still have my draft card.Replies: @Stan Adams
My mother had four male first cousins (her father’s sister’s kids), none of whom made it to 70.
One was gay, and one died of AIDS.
The one who died of AIDS was not the gay one. He was the one who was drafted and shipped off to ‘Nam. He picked up a heroin habit over there and couldn’t shake it when he got back here. At some point in the ’80s he injected himself with a dirty needle and … you can guess what happened.
Incidentally, a few more pages of the manifesto written by the tranny girl – a *girl* (with a vagina and a uterus and the whole shebang) who wanted to be a *boy* – who shot up the Christian school in Nashville leaked this week.
https://dailycaller.com/2024/06/07/audrey-hale-writings-imaginary-penis-fantasies-bestiatlity-sessions-report/
Much of her ranting is boilerplate tranny stuff.
But here’s an interesting little tidbit:
Huh.
So … what kind of doll did she use? A Ken doll with no visible genitalia? An anatomically-correct Billy doll? Stretch Armstrong?
And what kind of stuffed animal did she use?
https://samepassage.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/thedolltest.jpg
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/PalestineThis page claims Palestine derives from Falastin as you say.
https://www.reddit.com/r/arabs/comments/18wc5jz/palestine_word_etymology/
But this video claims the reverse--that Falastin was derived from Palestine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0A04lpMnQAReplies: @Hypnotoad666, @Frau Katze, @Colin Wright
The Ancient Greek “Philistine” would have been pronounced with an aspirated p-sound.
The change to pronouncing “ph” like “f” came way later in European languages.
That suggests it was pronounced with a “p” at one time.
As to how the natives of area pronounced it, I don’t know. I did study some Ancient Greek but that’s about it.
They certainly have no sympathy with Nazis or Vichyites. The problem is they see little difference between the old “racist” America and those other states. They’re all bad guys.
I'm probably just missing something.Replies: @J.Ross
The Eisenhower was not hit by Houthis. Following the early collapse of the international coalition, and a few days when the Eisenhower was attended by tugs but did not receive its usual daily deliveries, and the captain posting month-old video to prove that nothing was wrong, the Eisenhower voluntarily left the area and sailed to Jedda (Saudi). Because it wanted to. Because in Harvey Milk‘s navy, personal expression is the most important thing. More important than intimidating or defeating a small militia with no air force.
How does anybody know absolutely anything whatsofuckingever about Hunter Biden and not assume that his “wife” is a captain or major in an intelligence service very far from our own?
Had a friend who started off as a devout Roman Catholic, ended becoming a Syrian Orthodox Priest. We hung out with a group of people who happened to be witches and warlocks. I didn’t believe in either. We were helping a witch friend to move to a new apartment and he casually remarked this is why you always have a priest bless your new house. I was surprised by his remark but it hit home.
Hunter Biden is a degenerate low-life and a parasite. He is like a modern day Cesare Borgia.Replies: @Truth
Well, hundreds of millions of people are still worshiping Cesare daily, 500 years later…
Rarely do I see Larry Auster quoted any more (contrary to rumour, it's easy to be forgotten on the Internet), but he put a lot of things more aptly and succintly than anyone else I know.Replies: @res, @YetAnotherAnon, @Colin Wright, @Mike Tre, @BB753
This is all true enough, but what’s also true is that the blacks whites deal with are disproportionately the pick of the litter, those able to function at least marginally in white society. This camouflages just how dumb blacks actually are.
It’s like it’s been noticed that blacks in the military don’t do all that badly. Sure — but aside from other factors, the aptitude tests mean that only the top half of black applicants are accepted.
Try meeting a genuinely random selection of blacks sometime. You don’t need to get into higher order thinking skills — they can be dumb as posts! I remember one kid in particular I was trying to explain something to. I got this flash of a fly going in one ear and coming out the other — it was like there was nothing there…empty space.
A friend of mine who was getting a phD in child psychology or something made a comment. If you deal with a white kid with an IQ of 70, you can see something’s wrong — mother nature done fucked up, and this kid is a mess. Now a black kid with an IQ of 70, he’s a normal kid — decidedly slow, but nothing actually wrong. For a black, he’s not that far from average.
Next time you get a chance to see a genuinely random sample of blacks, pay attention. These people are stupid. That’s just the way it is.
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/PalestineThis page claims Palestine derives from Falastin as you say.
https://www.reddit.com/r/arabs/comments/18wc5jz/palestine_word_etymology/
But this video claims the reverse--that Falastin was derived from Palestine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0A04lpMnQAReplies: @Hypnotoad666, @Frau Katze, @Colin Wright
What’s significant is how important it is to deny reality to Palestine. In the end, admit there is a Palestine, and there goes the justification for Israel.
Their enemies have to be denied humanity, and their own crimes cannot be admitted. They don’t even kill, they ‘eliminate’ or ‘neutralize.’ Sometimes the victim doesn’t even exist at all.
It is the typically unserious rules of engagement that America fights its war under. Otherwise Houthis couldn’t last a week under full scale bombardment.
But you're right: what commander under Zhou Bai Dien has any idea what he can do?
The war Zone says it is probably a decoy
. based upon the lack of usual wiring and other stuff around it.
A nation is a people that believes itself to be a nation.
https://as2.ftcdn.net/v2/jpg/01/08/95/75/1000_F_108957537_bgUZsX25Kgi8copEO1Oc7sDqYbxSoISG.jpg
If Israel has a right to exist, it's simply because the facts on the ground established by conquest and immigration give it the right to exist. Same reason the US and Australia have the right to exist. Really those are better reasons than trying to use ancient history and God as a justification.Replies: @mc23, @Mactoul, @Houston 1992, @Ghost of Bull Moose
In 1948 the Palestinians outnumbered the Jews by 2 to 1. In the ensuing war they contributed very few fighters. They had no cohesive identity, no leadership, almost no weapons or training. Over seventy years later they have national identity forged in conflict with Israel.
In the end all land is held by force and Israeli’s aren’t going anywhere. It’s indisputable they created a marvelous nation but the Arab bad /Zionist good framing inaccurate.
In 1922 the Jews were outnumbered by 8 to 1. Twenty-six years later Jews made up one third of the population, organized for a war that displaced at least half a million non-combatants and refused them re-entry and took their land. Somethings can’t be undone and we’re seeing the side effects seventy five years later.
One was gay, and one died of AIDS.
The one who died of AIDS was not the gay one. He was the one who was drafted and shipped off to 'Nam. He picked up a heroin habit over there and couldn't shake it when he got back here. At some point in the '80s he injected himself with a dirty needle and ... you can guess what happened.
Incidentally, a few more pages of the manifesto written by the tranny girl - a *girl* (with a vagina and a uterus and the whole shebang) who wanted to be a *boy* - who shot up the Christian school in Nashville leaked this week.
https://dailycaller.com/2024/06/07/audrey-hale-writings-imaginary-penis-fantasies-bestiatlity-sessions-report/
Much of her ranting is boilerplate tranny stuff.But here's an interesting little tidbit:Huh.
So ... what kind of doll did she use? A Ken doll with no visible genitalia? An anatomically-correct Billy doll? Stretch Armstrong?
And what kind of stuffed animal did she use?Replies: @Reg Cæsar
This is starting to sound like Brown v. Board.
告诉习近平!
Wouldn’t that mean a maximum of 1,429 families?
If Israel has a right to exist, it's simply because the facts on the ground established by conquest and immigration give it the right to exist. Same reason the US and Australia have the right to exist. Really those are better reasons than trying to use ancient history and God as a justification.Replies: @mc23, @Mactoul, @Houston 1992, @Ghost of Bull Moose
Nobody has a right to live anywhere. A people keeps its territory by brute force, however longstanding its occupation might be.
FIX THE SITE! I just entered to look at 22 new comments from my iPhone. I pressed “new comments”: it seemed to shudder and when it stopped the info about which were the new comments was gone.
I’ve seen it do this after entering a new comment or applying a response button but this is a new low.
It's like it's been noticed that blacks in the military don't do all that badly. Sure -- but aside from other factors, the aptitude tests mean that only the top half of black applicants are accepted.
Try meeting a genuinely random selection of blacks sometime. You don't need to get into higher order thinking skills -- they can be dumb as posts! I remember one kid in particular I was trying to explain something to. I got this flash of a fly going in one ear and coming out the other -- it was like there was nothing there...empty space.
A friend of mine who was getting a phD in child psychology or something made a comment. If you deal with a white kid with an IQ of 70, you can see something's wrong -- mother nature done fucked up, and this kid is a mess. Now a black kid with an IQ of 70, he's a normal kid -- decidedly slow, but nothing actually wrong. For a black, he's not that far from average.
Next time you get a chance to see a genuinely random sample of blacks, pay attention. These people are stupid. That's just the way it is.Replies: @Gordo, @The Anti-Gnostic
Yep, they are wired different.
In the end all land is held by force and Israeli's aren't going anywhere. It's indisputable they created a marvelous nation but the Arab bad /Zionist good framing inaccurate.
In 1922 the Jews were outnumbered by 8 to 1. Twenty-six years later Jews made up one third of the population, organized for a war that displaced at least half a million non-combatants and refused them re-entry and took their land. Somethings can't be undone and we're seeing the side effects seventy five years later.Replies: @International Jew
We sure are. And we can thank the UN, which has done all it could to perpetuate the Palestine refugee problem. Instead of resettling them among their kin, as the UN did with all the other WW2 and immediately post-WW2 refugees. The Palestinians are what we would have had if the UN had kept the Sudeten German question alive.
They may have become inbred when they were small minorities living in Muslim countries for centuries. It might have taken a generation or two or three for them to marry outside their pre-Israeli nationality group.Replies: @Twinkie
Sephardic and Mizrahi Jews are less inbred than Ashkenazi Jews and suffer less from the various genetic diseases, to which the latter are prone.
For a fairly recent number, this answer from Quora looks reasonable. I am not finding the original source.
https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-average-IQ-of-IsraelThis is slightly different (e.g. Arab mean IQ 84 rather than 86).
https://human-intelligence.org/jews/#jews4
Lynn's 2011 book is probably the best referenced source. The first copy is a cleaner scan, but the second has a TOC and better OCR.
The Chosen People
A Study of Jewish Intelligence and Achievement
https://www.intelligence-humaine.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/The-Chosen-People.pdf
http://digamoo.free.fr/lynn2011.pdfChapter 11 goes into much more detail. Hard to summarize, but
Table 11.14. Education and earnings of European and Oriental Jews and Arabs
seems very relevant for this conversation. It looks at 1975 and 2001 and shows years of education for European Jews, Oriental Jews, and Arabs as 13.7/14.8, 10.3/12.9, 7.6/11.8.
These numbers from the conclusion of chapter 11 differ a bit from those above.The final paragraph of that conclusion is amusing.This was not terribly informative, but for completeness.
https://pumpkinperson.com/2022/02/05/the-jewish-iq-triarchy-ashkenazi-middle-eastern-orthodox/
Based on the population sizes I wonder how much each group contributed to the overall Flynn Effect? And how much did the distribution of the groups change?
Regarding population demographics, I had not realized how young the population of Israel is.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Israel
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b3/Population_pyramid_of_Israel_by_ethnic_group_in_2021.svg/1109px-Population_pyramid_of_Israel_by_ethnic_group_in_2021.svg.png
Israel IQ over time plot from Steve's link for easy reference.
https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/84c71de6-4021-48c2-a88e-a668d2447c4a_4209x2568.jpegReplies: @Reg Cæsar, @Hypnotoad666, @Twinkie
res, thank you for compiling the links.
Israel used to be more Ashkenazim in composition. It is now more Mizrahim. This is interesting, because the Ashkenazim are the higher IQ population (but also lower fertility). Yet Israel’s overall trend is upward – this leads me to surmise that living in a European-style country built by the European-originated Ashkenazim has had a positive effect – classic Flynn effect – on the Mizrahim.
Looking at the European Jews, the secular ones have declined in number in Israel while the Haredim have increased in fraction:
The Arab population is flat, so that probably has little influence on the upward trend.
Unrelated, but China and Vietnam share similar issues of high rural dropout rates, and the hukou/ho khau system blocking educational routes for kids who are migrants. This isn’t incompatible with a gargantuan Flynn effect, of course. Particularly with China now being a majority urban country and Vietnam (currently in an actually pretty friendly competition with Poland on who can attract the most semiconductor goodies-Poland has more preexisting engineers and scientists, but VN has geographic proximity to the cutting edge stuff and RISC-V’s likely heaviest usage) clearly headed down that road.Replies: @Twinkie
That is a great snippet! Just exactly the kind of inverted BS the entire Woke movement is built on. (I was going to say “Minoritarianism but didn’t want to step on A.D.s lawn).
Total B.S. “We built the Pyramids” “We were brought over as slaves because Whitey didn’t know how to grow tobacco” “We sent Whitey to the moon based on the calculations Werner von Braun stole from our sistahs”
No, folks. You all are just sucking off the epic achievements of the Europeans.
Agree.
Methinks Michelle Obama is now dabbling on Wiki.
fabulous writing — !
It's like it's been noticed that blacks in the military don't do all that badly. Sure -- but aside from other factors, the aptitude tests mean that only the top half of black applicants are accepted.
Try meeting a genuinely random selection of blacks sometime. You don't need to get into higher order thinking skills -- they can be dumb as posts! I remember one kid in particular I was trying to explain something to. I got this flash of a fly going in one ear and coming out the other -- it was like there was nothing there...empty space.
A friend of mine who was getting a phD in child psychology or something made a comment. If you deal with a white kid with an IQ of 70, you can see something's wrong -- mother nature done fucked up, and this kid is a mess. Now a black kid with an IQ of 70, he's a normal kid -- decidedly slow, but nothing actually wrong. For a black, he's not that far from average.
Next time you get a chance to see a genuinely random sample of blacks, pay attention. These people are stupid. That's just the way it is.Replies: @Gordo, @The Anti-Gnostic
Mimid intelligence.
I find this axiom to be utterly without merit, and in fact morally offensive.
Rather it seems to me that the core moral principle is the right to defect. You do not have the right to other people's stuff nor to compel their labor. But your entitled--if capable--to withdraw from a community--not making demands upon it--and make your own way, or make community with like minded people.
A key principle for adults is "do I need you? am I demanding something from you? If I'm making demands upon you, then you can make reciprocal demands upon me. But if you are capable of, willing to doing without anyone person/group then it is their demands upon you that are morally unsupported, illegitimate.
I think it is critical to get white people's minds out of the minoritarian rut. The simple reality is whites do not need any minorities around to provide for themselves and create decent, prosperous, pleasant communities and nations. Whites are entitled to look after their own interests--just like blacks or Jews do--and make community, with the norms that they find congenial with anyone they wish.Replies: @Diversity Heretic, @ic1000, @Inspector Grant, @Anonymous
Well the leftist argument is that white people looted and exploited everybody else for 500 years and so, no, they are not allowed to walk off with their ill-gotten gains, any more than you would allow a burglar to walk off with your stuff. They must be made to give it back.
Yet we do not constantly hear of genetic diseases among the famously cousin-marrying Arabs and Pakistanis. Are they more Stoic? Did the Mizrahi absorb some dim Arabs before 1947? I was trying to think of why the rise began generations after immigration to Israel, unlike the quicker rise in South Korea post war. Where did the 90s formerly Soviet Jews rate on IQ, and did they change after arrival?
So, whey does the Ashkenazi population evince higher rates of genetic diseases than the Mizrahi? Because the latter had much greater genetic diversity from earlier periods and never suffered the founder effects the Ashkenazi did.
She was also an adoptee with no history. Sounds like a traveler to me.
She and Crackhead were married SIX DAYS after they met. It was obviously decreed that Crackhead needed a handler.
'Greatest love story' began with arranged marriage at Mall of America, ended too soonAt the time, one of the local papers looked around for previous examples. The found a Lutheran minister who, when fresh out of seminary, was assigned to a remote Alaskan village. It didn't look good for a single man in such a position, so he quickly rounded up a willing wife. That also lasted. If you both go in with the right attitude, you are probably okay.There was a stand-up comedienne in the UK of Subcontinental origin, who wore a hijab, who worked arranged marriages into her routine. "My friend Julie asks, how can you go to bed with a total stranger? But she does it all the time!"The modern West in a nutshell.
https://modernity.news/2024/06/07/obese-woman-wins-miss-alabama-and-people-have-questions/Replies: @Brutusale
At least it’s a woman…I think.
https://nypost.com/2024/06/07/us-news/bailey-anne-kennedy-crowned-first-transgender-miss-maryland-usa/
https://twitter.com/SwissWatchGuy/status/1798852395662999685?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1798852395662999685%7Ctwgr%5E4754f6e46e9855735f0a635be440b3bf0573bdb3%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.newsweek.com%2Fmiss-maryland-transgender-trump-maga-1909563Replies: @Peter Akuleyev
https://nypost.com/2024/06/07/us-news/bailey-anne-kennedy-crowned-first-transgender-miss-maryland-usa/Replies: @Corvinus
You can thank Trump.
“ Almost every Israeli is a dual citizen somewhere else. ”
That’s not true. For one thing, 80% of the Jewish population is native born and more like 98% of its Arab population.
It’s almost as if Semitic peoples have long memories and nurse their memories of injury!
That’s not true. For one thing, 80% of the Jewish population is native born and more like 98% of its Arab population.Replies: @Anonymous
Does that preclude their having a right to citizenship elsewhere?
Or Congress. Or themselves. There are a lot of feet to keep in the fire.
End of story.Replies: @Mike Tre, @Anonymous
“Foreign interests” is putting it mildly. The diamond industry is a massive racket from start to finish, and the mining process is one of the most environmentally destructive processes relative to the yield.
Rarely do I see Larry Auster quoted any more (contrary to rumour, it's easy to be forgotten on the Internet), but he put a lot of things more aptly and succintly than anyone else I know.Replies: @res, @YetAnotherAnon, @Colin Wright, @Mike Tre, @BB753
“In undemanding, routine affairs they are, more or less, intellectually equal to whites. In more demanding settings they are not. ”
So what’s an example of an undemanding task? Digging a ditch? Taking an order at a fast food place? Cleaning a public restroom? Or is it something a little more abstract, like a human resources coordinator at a large company?
Because I can tell you from first hand experience that negroes perform undemanding tasks like the first few I mentioned much less equally than their white peers.
She and Crackhead were married SIX DAYS after they met. It was obviously decreed that Crackhead needed a handler.Replies: @JimDandy, @Reg Cæsar
Nice detail: ‘They have matching “Shalom” tattoos on their left biceps.’
Haha, it all sounds so made up, but it’s true.
https://twitter.com/SwissWatchGuy/status/1798852395662999685?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1798852395662999685%7Ctwgr%5E4754f6e46e9855735f0a635be440b3bf0573bdb3%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.newsweek.com%2Fmiss-maryland-transgender-trump-maga-1909563Replies: @Peter Akuleyev
Trump himself uses so much make up and hair product he often seems like a drag queen. People forget he was quite popular among gays before 2016. Gay men love Trump‘s loud oversized personality.
Meanwhile Zhou Bai Dien has become in real life the 1980s cartoon image of Ronald Reagan as a doddering senile corpse who is actively trying to start World War 3.
She and Crackhead were married SIX DAYS after they met. It was obviously decreed that Crackhead needed a handler.Replies: @JimDandy, @Reg Cæsar
Sometimes that actually works. There was a public event at in 1998 where a fellow’s friends chose a wife for him from a pool of applicants. They were together for 20 years, and four children, till cancer got him:
‘Greatest love story’ began with arranged marriage at Mall of America, ended too soon
At the time, one of the local papers looked around for previous examples. The found a Lutheran minister who, when fresh out of seminary, was assigned to a remote Alaskan village. It didn’t look good for a single man in such a position, so he quickly rounded up a willing wife. That also lasted.
If you both go in with the right attitude, you are probably okay.
There was a stand-up comedienne in the UK of Subcontinental origin, who wore a hijab, who worked arranged marriages into her routine. “My friend Julie asks, how can you go to bed with a total stranger? But she does it all the time!”
The modern West in a nutshell.
End of story.Replies: @Mike Tre, @Anonymous
Botswana is one of the few countries in Africa that is a literal nation state, i.e. run by and for one tribe, with rival groups too small to cause strife. Diversity is definitely not a strength in Africa; it’s the main cause of wars and civil strife. Botswana has been fortunate to avoid such problems.
This opinion from a man seems to have gone popular. Poverty may attract less sympathy as people start noticing that there are simple ways to prevent it.
https://www.tiktok.com/@neurodivergent_nate/video/7339289037947325742
The Couples Embracing the DINK Label
"It's all about me!" Is selfishness itself genetic?
There is a kind of "uterine paradox" here-- the smarter (or healthier, prettier, etc.) a woman is, the higher the relative value of her uterus to her brain (or constitution or looks), not lower. Also, the bright (and blooming and beautiful) having many children decreases the gap between them and the average, which is only fair. And everybody comes out ahead, though perhaps not as "ahead" as the DINKs want to be with their three or four overseas vacations would like to be.
That one couple interviewed is black, and another individual has a Spanish surname, might be considered eugenic for the US as a whole by many here.Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
“the smarter (or healthier, prettier, etc.) a woman is, the higher the relative value of her uterus to her brain (or constitution or looks), not lower.”
It’s also the theory of comparative advantage:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparative_advantage
“Widely regarded as one of the most powerful yet counter-intuitive insights in economics”
Women have a YUGE comparative advantage over men when it comes to birthing babies.
Therefore, even if a woman might make an excellent doctor, it’s better for men to be doctors and for the women who could have been doctors to have the (bright) babies.
Woodrow Wilson thought so too, but didn’t quite think it through.
wow. talk about low intelligence. the general ability level of various nations around the world may eternally be up for debate, but the intelligence of the people running women’s basketball in the US should never be in doubt again. these are some of the least intelligent people who ever lived.
they’ve decided to keep Clark off the US national team, so she’s not at the Olympic women’s basketball tournament, and women’s basketball can, whew, deliberately avoid their once every 4 year opportunity to get the national coverage on television and millions of new viewers as they compete against the world. Clark on the team? millions and millions of new television viewers for each game. Clark not on the team? well, remember last Olympics how you tuned in for all the women’s gam….LOL. of course nobody did.
compare this to how the women’s national soccer team is handled, or how Michelle Wie was handled during her break out years. or even how the men’s national basketball team is handled. mind boggling stuff. i questioned whether the WNBA commissioner was a total moron or not, i think we can now confirm that she is. astounding the committee who decides this stuff made this decision. they are deeply, deeply stupid. or hateful. or both, probably.
could be one of the greatest marketing blunders in history. certainly the biggest in sports history. not even NBC or ESPN could sway them here? this is completely nuts. a total no brainer, don’t even have to think about it decision in any other situation.
don’t always agree with Portnoy to say the least, but he totally nails it here
If Israel has a right to exist, it's simply because the facts on the ground established by conquest and immigration give it the right to exist. Same reason the US and Australia have the right to exist. Really those are better reasons than trying to use ancient history and God as a justification.Replies: @mc23, @Mactoul, @Houston 1992, @Ghost of Bull Moose
Israel exists because AIPAC “persuades “ USA congress to lavish Israel with military aid , diplomatic cover and a terrific one way trade agreement.
Today uSA has a 36 Trillion national debt , but in the future changing demographics in USA , a 100 trillion national debt , a dollar no longer holding reserve currency status , improvements in Chinese -Russian -Iran weapons systems then Israel might not be so secure. In terms of military recruitment we are already seen drops in enrollment in the military eg the Coast Guard decided to cut the number of its cutters by 10% in 2024 rather than reduce crew standards.
How will Israel ‘s “right” hold up in a multipolar world with Americans scraping to make ends meet ?
How did they survive the Saudis?
But you’re right: what commander under Zhou Bai Dien has any idea what he can do?
Norway’s Army Has Introduced Unisex Dorms and Reports No Problems
https://mf.b37mrtl.ru/files/news/30/22/00/00/norway3.jpgReplies: @Hypnotoad666, @YetAnotherAnon, @International Jew, @AnotherDad
Smart.
What Norway could use is more actual Norwegians. Norway’s had female conscription for a while, now they are having them do something useful to the nation.
If Israel has a right to exist, it's simply because the facts on the ground established by conquest and immigration give it the right to exist. Same reason the US and Australia have the right to exist. Really those are better reasons than trying to use ancient history and God as a justification.Replies: @mc23, @Mactoul, @Houston 1992, @Ghost of Bull Moose
Even the “River to the Sea” refers to Arabs rather than Palestinians. All Muslim conquest is permanent. They still want al-Andalus.
A significant number of the Arabs who lived in Palestine pre-1948 had moved there recently. Arthur Koestler’s Promise and Fulfillment describes this well.
I live in America, and I’m American. I’m not going anywhere. How about you?
Every Trump criticism ever be like, ignore the house fire, the fireman looks like he doesn’t know which fork to dine with at luncheon.
Meanwhile Zhou Bai Dien has become in real life the 1980s cartoon image of Ronald Reagan as a doddering senile corpse who is actively trying to start World War 3.
Looking at the European Jews, the secular ones have declined in number in Israel while the Haredim have increased in fraction:
https://en.idi.org.il/media/16146/haredim-e.jpg
The Arab population is flat, so that probably has little influence on the upward trend.Replies: @nebulafox
While they are not numerous enough to be a decisive game changer-I suspect you are right in that the main factor is the combined fertility and Flynn effect among the ME Jews who come far closer to being the “average” modern Israeli than what the American political class envisions-it’s worth pointing out that the Soviet contingent was heavily selected for STEM skills in the 1990s. As you well know already and speaking as someone from that world, their kids don’t hurt the IQ score.
Unrelated, but China and Vietnam share similar issues of high rural dropout rates, and the hukou/ho khau system blocking educational routes for kids who are migrants. This isn’t incompatible with a gargantuan Flynn effect, of course. Particularly with China now being a majority urban country and Vietnam (currently in an actually pretty friendly competition with Poland on who can attract the most semiconductor goodies-Poland has more preexisting engineers and scientists, but VN has geographic proximity to the cutting edge stuff and RISC-V’s likely heaviest usage) clearly headed down that road.
Or ethnic Russians in places like Narva? No arms there despite a lot of bitterness… yet.
Look, that took a lot more than UN pronouncements to solve. The mutual German economic miracle, Communism making their former homes crappy, Easterners marrying locals and producing kids in the new, less regional Germany. Etc. etc. Aka, reasons to not care. Until that happened, fear of the Germans coming back and enacting revenge was basically the only thing keeping the Polish Communist regime afloat, and was also why the East German leadership, who otherwise went to great lengths to militarize society, did not dare employ the NVA: if war-the fear of which kept the DDR barely afloat in the 1950s-could not be avoided, who do you think the men were likely to turn their guns on?
What incentive does a young Palestinian man have to do that? Now for sure, given how entrenched the conflict is culturally, but even 60 years ago: why? If the answer is doing menial labor for an Israeli all your life, well, some things require you to be a WEIRD intellectual to believe them. Like the prospect of just surviving being an effective incentive. For most of human history, there were worse things than a quick death in battle for your community.
(This wasn’t just a German thing. There were many Poles in places like the former Breslau who would have been more than happy to ditch the place if it meant they could go back to Lwow or Wilno until, again, another generation came along, Warsaw’s Communist leadership was uncomfortably aware of. From Czernowitz and Timisoara to Baku to Smyrna, there are a lot of stories like this in 20th Century Europe. Not all of them are dead, re, Caucasus after fall of USSR.)
It's always Harvard and Yale, with occasionally Princeton, Dartmouth, or Columbia for variety. It must be tough down there in the second division of the Ivy League, clawing for attention.
Bwown, in downscale Pwovidence, is notable only for those demands for reparations.Replies: @Simon
Sounds like Mr. Caesar is a Brown rejectee. Providence is quite a charming town (esp. compared to New Haven), and for a Lovecraftian, it’s the Holy City.
Unrelated, but China and Vietnam share similar issues of high rural dropout rates, and the hukou/ho khau system blocking educational routes for kids who are migrants. This isn’t incompatible with a gargantuan Flynn effect, of course. Particularly with China now being a majority urban country and Vietnam (currently in an actually pretty friendly competition with Poland on who can attract the most semiconductor goodies-Poland has more preexisting engineers and scientists, but VN has geographic proximity to the cutting edge stuff and RISC-V’s likely heaviest usage) clearly headed down that road.Replies: @Twinkie
Agree with much of your comment.
Going forward, China’s big challenge is going to be raising the standard of living dramatically in the rural areas, which is going to be tough given the massive disparity with the urban areas and the ongoing population/brain drain.
I think there is pretty good Flynn effect evidence for the Vietnamese in America. I discussed this before with commenter “res.” The foreign-born Vietnamese in America have the lowest college degree attainment rate among the major Asian immigrant groups, but the American-born contingent has 2x the rate as their foreign-born counterparts: https://www.unz.com/isteve/a-prediction-about-the-sats-asian-white-gap/#comment-6141950
As Vietnam develops further economically, I expect significant secular IQ gains, maybe not to the level of the Japanese and the Koreans, but probably close.
So, Arabs, Pakistanis, and Jews all have histories of higher consanguineous marriages than Europeans and East Asian.
So, whey does the Ashkenazi population evince higher rates of genetic diseases than the Mizrahi? Because the latter had much greater genetic diversity from earlier periods and never suffered the founder effects the Ashkenazi did.
https://www.hplovecraft.com/creation/sites/rhode.aspx
The United States and the international community should resettle the Jewish Israelis to northeastern Italy, or to Long Island, or to Hawaii.
Transcript:
https://vdare.com/articles/wrap-up-at-the-castle-a-trump-landslide-brimelow-harrison-smith-derbyshire-sailer-woods-taylor
Wizard Skyth says:
Holy banana! They are dumber then monkeys. Bonobos (often confused with chimpanzees for similar looks, but a different species) being the most intelligent of all the ape species have average IQ of 80 points. The only reason the bonobos can’t speak is because their vocal chamber is shaped differently, otherwise they would be rapping in ebonics jumping from a tree branch to a tree branch with a ghetto-blaster boombox in tow. (“….uh-uh..suck muh dick bitch, b4 i gets shizity on my bizity..uh-uh…”)
The same 80 points IQ is generally recognized as the borderline between mental retardation and simply being low intelligent in humans, and even that apparently due to lumping the lowIQ “races” into the same statistics, watering down truly human IQ so that the average “normal” is presented by the judeo-masonic science gatekeepers as 100 points while it’s actually 115-120 . (Btw, average IQ in Israel is below 100 and even that seems artificially inflated by the modified IQ test used there, different from the world’s standard)
The “human” races with IQ lower than a speechless ape have so much differences from the humans that the experts (biologists, anthropologists, sociologists etc) have been trying to reclassify them as different species rather than different races , unsuccessfully due to the stranglehold on the science and academia by the judeo-masonic enemies of humanity. The so-called negroid race , for example has closer genetic affinity ( an attribute calculated value indicating closeness between different species) to apes than to white humans. Another highly important fact is lack of neuronal density (literally lacking brains) in the higher most , the most evolved parts of the brain cortex (the area defining humans by differentiating them from the lower life forms) in the negro species.The feeble argument that ability of the different “races” to interbreed proves them to be the same homo sapience rather than differen biological species ignores the fact that ability to interbreed between different species is not unique in nature ( e.g. mules etc.).
It’s rather obvious that biological organisms , such as for example sub-saharan negros , with average IQ below monkeys’ 80 are not the same species (let alone race) as the space faring ones with intelligent supercomputers and a glorious history of the most advanced civilization.
P.S. die laughing :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TI9ixb-a5M&pp=ygUQYWZyb25hdXRzIHphbWJpYQ%3D%3D
…or just look up ‘afronauts’ for more cargo cult hilarity
Finland is at the top, as always! It is a fact.
https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2019/12/melissa-cohen-biden.jpg
She had a presidential grandbaby in 2020 so allowances for motherhood are appropriate.Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @BB753
That’s the kosher certificate from Pixo.
Rarely do I see Larry Auster quoted any more (contrary to rumour, it's easy to be forgotten on the Internet), but he put a lot of things more aptly and succintly than anyone else I know.Replies: @res, @YetAnotherAnon, @Colin Wright, @Mike Tre, @BB753
I can’t imagine Larry Auster dealing with wokism and tranny madness. He’d have lost his mind.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/28/us/louisiana-st-george.html
This is how it began.P.S. Steve, thanks for posting this IQ data. Hopefully there can be some on topic discussion of it.Replies: @Frau Katze, @Anonymous
OK, you want a discussion. Here’s one:
a) The Industrial Revolution was, according to Dutton and Gregory Clarke, the creation of an England with a somewhat higher IQ than the Western population (or at least the European population) has now. Dutton’s trends say that IQ is down my 15 points, a standard deviation. So the current “normalized” tests must be corrected before being compared with 1870 IQ estimates (which involve measuring reaction times). The correction consists of subtracting 15 points from 2024 IQ scores, so that a 2024 IQ of 100 corresponds to an 1870 IQ of 85.
OK, you might say, it took a very smart population to cope with the primitive capital equipment of the 1870s. And so it did, industrialization of the Continent was delayed as long as it was because the Continental population was unable to operate the primitive capital equipment. Later efforts to move production to India failed for much the same reason. Contemporary machines are much less difficult to operate, and much more difficult for operators to inadvertently destroy.
But have you, the reader, ever worked with people with an IQ about standard deviation less than you have?
Consider the commenters on unz.com whose idea of commenting is to accuse people they don’t know and have never even seen of various sexual perversions, emotional states, political associations, and whatever social violations they can think of. That is, the commentators who are stupid but assertive.
Think of running a factory of such people.
Think of running a factory of people who do things their own way, which way destroys such simple machines as hammers. People who won’t drill a pilot hole for screws because it is too much work (even though lack of pilot holes splits the wood).
Think of people who regard training as BS that one has to sit through before cheating on a test, and do that because they haven’t a hope of understanding the training material.
Think of people who believe that ESG and DIE are their one golden chance to get revenge for centuries of oppression.
The US ran WW II with a population that was educated up to about 5th grade level, but that would follow instructions if the foreman had escalation dominance. ESG, DIE, and factories are not run that way anymore.
The 1960s McNamara’s Morons initiative showed that people with under about 85 IQ could not be trained to do something useful in the 1960s US Army. (The one I saw was eventually sent to Graves Registration, where he was put to work moving bodies. That is a more life-threatening job than you might think, and I hope he recovered from it. He did try, and he meant well, but his surroundings were a mystery to him and, as would anybody, he objected to doing things meaningless to him.)
So — the UK had an industrial revolution, but lost IQ at about 1 pt/decade since 1870. The West’s population now could not duplicate the UK Industrial Revolution — not enough talented blue collars.
So, with that background — we come to the “Idiocracy” considerations:
1) Are the populations that Steve presents in https://www.unz.com/isteve/national-iq-trends-over-the-decades/#comment-6604839 smart enough to support industrialization? Are they smart enough to tolerate working in industry?
2) Is the US still smart enough? Is Europe? Is the rejection of “acting White” or “that science stuff” by the entire US population (including all races) enough to make industry unworkable?
I don't know how much this degradation is influenced by genetic, physiological, demographic, cultural and educational factors.Replies: @Anonymous
a) The Industrial Revolution was, according to Dutton and Gregory Clarke, the creation of an England with a somewhat higher IQ than the Western population (or at least the European population) has now. Dutton's trends say that IQ is down my 15 points, a standard deviation. So the current "normalized" tests must be corrected before being compared with 1870 IQ estimates (which involve measuring reaction times). The correction consists of subtracting 15 points from 2024 IQ scores, so that a 2024 IQ of 100 corresponds to an 1870 IQ of 85.
OK, you might say, it took a very smart population to cope with the primitive capital equipment of the 1870s. And so it did, industrialization of the Continent was delayed as long as it was because the Continental population was unable to operate the primitive capital equipment. Later efforts to move production to India failed for much the same reason. Contemporary machines are much less difficult to operate, and much more difficult for operators to inadvertently destroy.
But have you, the reader, ever worked with people with an IQ about standard deviation less than you have?
Consider the commenters on unz.com whose idea of commenting is to accuse people they don't know and have never even seen of various sexual perversions, emotional states, political associations, and whatever social violations they can think of. That is, the commentators who are stupid but assertive.
Think of running a factory of such people.
Think of running a factory of people who do things their own way, which way destroys such simple machines as hammers. People who won't drill a pilot hole for screws because it is too much work (even though lack of pilot holes splits the wood).
Think of people who regard training as BS that one has to sit through before cheating on a test, and do that because they haven't a hope of understanding the training material.
Think of people who believe that ESG and DIE are their one golden chance to get revenge for centuries of oppression.
The US ran WW II with a population that was educated up to about 5th grade level, but that would follow instructions if the foreman had escalation dominance. ESG, DIE, and factories are not run that way anymore.
The 1960s McNamara's Morons initiative showed that people with under about 85 IQ could not be trained to do something useful in the 1960s US Army. (The one I saw was eventually sent to Graves Registration, where he was put to work moving bodies. That is a more life-threatening job than you might think, and I hope he recovered from it. He did try, and he meant well, but his surroundings were a mystery to him and, as would anybody, he objected to doing things meaningless to him.)
So -- the UK had an industrial revolution, but lost IQ at about 1 pt/decade since 1870. The West's population now could not duplicate the UK Industrial Revolution -- not enough talented blue collars.
So, with that background --- we come to the "Idiocracy" considerations:
1) Are the populations that Steve presents in https://www.unz.com/isteve/national-iq-trends-over-the-decades/#comment-6604839 smart enough to support industrialization? Are they smart enough to tolerate working in industry?
2) Is the US still smart enough? Is Europe? Is the rejection of "acting White" or "that science stuff" by the entire US population (including all races) enough to make industry unworkable?Replies: @QCIC
I suspect it takes many more engineers today to accomplish equivalent tasks compared to the 1960s, at least in the USA. It seems the widespread availability of powerful engineering software should have the opposite effect. Without the software it is not clear how much would be accomplished.
I don’t know how much this degradation is influenced by genetic, physiological, demographic, cultural and educational factors.
b) Stupid managers (but I repeat myself) won't permit anything they don't understand. Even smart engineers are artificially stupid.The engineering software that I know about is either powerful but buggy and unreliable, completely unsuited for constructing analyses of real systems, or else it is specialized and inapplicable to actual problems or else (like "C") it is at such a low level that it is inapplicable to ordinary design problems. Further, the software is "designed by geniuses to be used by semi-educated technicians", to modify a 1940s Navy saying. Since writing, debugging, and maintaining this software is very expensive and requires near fanatical high IQ labor, it cannot be written for most industrial problems.Probably very little. Note that there have been attempts to make general purpose software available. Take MS Office as an example. In my experience in fairly high organizational levels, nobody knows how to use MS Office except on the lowest possible level -- as if it were a typewriter plus a sort of advanced adding machine plus some database stuff nobody understands.
Further, managers tend to avoid any "irreplaceable employee", which means they end up with lowest common denominator workers capable of very little. One of the reasons that DIE and ESG looked promising is that employee competence was already very low and the stupid managers (probably an overestimate, OTH they are politically correct) could not see the difference between IQ 100-110 and IQ 80-90. I would suspect that DIE and ESG are going for the same reason that MacNamara's "Project 100,000" was abandoned ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_100%2C000 ).
Obviously some reasonable work is being done somewhere and somehow, but as you say it takes many people, each working on a little bit.
This is one of the reasons that the current end of globalization could also end industrialization. The people who actually understand engineering are forced out, and the remainder make incremental improvements, while not understanding the basic engineering of the product. Boeing's recent failures of aircraft design (One pitot tube? One?) are examples of failure to understand basic engineering.Replies: @QCIC
I don't know how much this degradation is influenced by genetic, physiological, demographic, cultural and educational factors.Replies: @Anonymous
a) Engineering education has been reduced almost to the 1960s High School level in an effort to retain tuition paying students.
b) Stupid managers (but I repeat myself) won’t permit anything they don’t understand. Even smart engineers are artificially stupid.
The engineering software that I know about is either powerful but buggy and unreliable, completely unsuited for constructing analyses of real systems, or else it is specialized and inapplicable to actual problems or else (like “C”) it is at such a low level that it is inapplicable to ordinary design problems. Further, the software is “designed by geniuses to be used by semi-educated technicians”, to modify a 1940s Navy saying. Since writing, debugging, and maintaining this software is very expensive and requires near fanatical high IQ labor, it cannot be written for most industrial problems.
Probably very little. Note that there have been attempts to make general purpose software available. Take MS Office as an example. In my experience in fairly high organizational levels, nobody knows how to use MS Office except on the lowest possible level — as if it were a typewriter plus a sort of advanced adding machine plus some database stuff nobody understands.
Further, managers tend to avoid any “irreplaceable employee”, which means they end up with lowest common denominator workers capable of very little. One of the reasons that DIE and ESG looked promising is that employee competence was already very low and the stupid managers (probably an overestimate, OTH they are politically correct) could not see the difference between IQ 100-110 and IQ 80-90. I would suspect that DIE and ESG are going for the same reason that MacNamara’s “Project 100,000” was abandoned ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_100%2C000 ).
Obviously some reasonable work is being done somewhere and somehow, but as you say it takes many people, each working on a little bit.
This is one of the reasons that the current end of globalization could also end industrialization. The people who actually understand engineering are forced out, and the remainder make incremental improvements, while not understanding the basic engineering of the product. Boeing’s recent failures of aircraft design (One pitot tube? One?) are examples of failure to understand basic engineering.
One result of the various factors you mention is that engineering and management are both performed by committee. Since there is no meritocracy these committees are especially inefficient.
MS Office is a solution to a problem which did not really need solving. Lots of fancy software will not turn poor communicators into oracles.
A lot of software is great for energetic polymaths who can do everything, but they are not the target market. The current trend is to use software to make up for a general lack of competence. AI will take this to extremes.
Someone at TUR recently pointed out that 1st rate people hire 1st rate people, while 2nd rate people hire 3rd rate people. I have seen this shocking pattern in my own workplace.Replies: @Anonymous
b) Stupid managers (but I repeat myself) won't permit anything they don't understand. Even smart engineers are artificially stupid.The engineering software that I know about is either powerful but buggy and unreliable, completely unsuited for constructing analyses of real systems, or else it is specialized and inapplicable to actual problems or else (like "C") it is at such a low level that it is inapplicable to ordinary design problems. Further, the software is "designed by geniuses to be used by semi-educated technicians", to modify a 1940s Navy saying. Since writing, debugging, and maintaining this software is very expensive and requires near fanatical high IQ labor, it cannot be written for most industrial problems.Probably very little. Note that there have been attempts to make general purpose software available. Take MS Office as an example. In my experience in fairly high organizational levels, nobody knows how to use MS Office except on the lowest possible level -- as if it were a typewriter plus a sort of advanced adding machine plus some database stuff nobody understands.
Further, managers tend to avoid any "irreplaceable employee", which means they end up with lowest common denominator workers capable of very little. One of the reasons that DIE and ESG looked promising is that employee competence was already very low and the stupid managers (probably an overestimate, OTH they are politically correct) could not see the difference between IQ 100-110 and IQ 80-90. I would suspect that DIE and ESG are going for the same reason that MacNamara's "Project 100,000" was abandoned ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_100%2C000 ).
Obviously some reasonable work is being done somewhere and somehow, but as you say it takes many people, each working on a little bit.
This is one of the reasons that the current end of globalization could also end industrialization. The people who actually understand engineering are forced out, and the remainder make incremental improvements, while not understanding the basic engineering of the product. Boeing's recent failures of aircraft design (One pitot tube? One?) are examples of failure to understand basic engineering.Replies: @QCIC
A lot of software is good for performing simulations and calculations for real engineering problems. Many of the users do not understand the fundamentals behind the software so there is always some risk they will make rookie mistakes.
One result of the various factors you mention is that engineering and management are both performed by committee. Since there is no meritocracy these committees are especially inefficient.
MS Office is a solution to a problem which did not really need solving. Lots of fancy software will not turn poor communicators into oracles.
A lot of software is great for energetic polymaths who can do everything, but they are not the target market. The current trend is to use software to make up for a general lack of competence. AI will take this to extremes.
Someone at TUR recently pointed out that 1st rate people hire 1st rate people, while 2nd rate people hire 3rd rate people. I have seen this shocking pattern in my own workplace.
There are many MSOffice features that would be very valuable if used for manuals and regulations. Cross-references, footnotes, glossaries, chapter headings are examples. But this is simply not done, even when existing documents are effectively incomprehensible. Employees are simply not smart enough to even learn how to use the above features within documents. They are certainly not smart enough to learn how to insert the above features.
So much of the software is useless: incomprehensible databases that deliver incomprehensible documents, spreadsheets that don't contain links outside of pages or links to sources, charts that mean nothing. Much of this chaos is deliberate -- "These days, to be understood is to be found out".
In short, the idea isn't to have MS Office produce Superman, it's to to have people use the software to do something useful, and to enable them to do so by using well established writing methods. That this is not done on something as simple as reports, spreadsheets, document collections, is a hint as to why general purpose engineering software does not exist.Replies: @QCIC
One result of the various factors you mention is that engineering and management are both performed by committee. Since there is no meritocracy these committees are especially inefficient.
MS Office is a solution to a problem which did not really need solving. Lots of fancy software will not turn poor communicators into oracles.
A lot of software is great for energetic polymaths who can do everything, but they are not the target market. The current trend is to use software to make up for a general lack of competence. AI will take this to extremes.
Someone at TUR recently pointed out that 1st rate people hire 1st rate people, while 2nd rate people hire 3rd rate people. I have seen this shocking pattern in my own workplace.Replies: @Anonymous
Right as far as it goes. My point is that MS Office had a large enough potential user base that considerable effort was put into making it easy to use. MS Office had a well established competitor, Word Star, that it defeated and effectively put out of business.
There are many MSOffice features that would be very valuable if used for manuals and regulations. Cross-references, footnotes, glossaries, chapter headings are examples. But this is simply not done, even when existing documents are effectively incomprehensible. Employees are simply not smart enough to even learn how to use the above features within documents. They are certainly not smart enough to learn how to insert the above features.
So much of the software is useless: incomprehensible databases that deliver incomprehensible documents, spreadsheets that don’t contain links outside of pages or links to sources, charts that mean nothing. Much of this chaos is deliberate — “These days, to be understood is to be found out”.
In short, the idea isn’t to have MS Office produce Superman, it’s to to have people use the software to do something useful, and to enable them to do so by using well established writing methods. That this is not done on something as simple as reports, spreadsheets, document collections, is a hint as to why general purpose engineering software does not exist.
Word processing is similar. Word processors turn authors into amateur typists, editors, typesetters and graphic artists. For the professional writer, these may be added capabilities. For other professionals who must also create written material, having them do all the mechanical work of professional publishing is a poor use of their time.Replies: @Anonymous
There are many MSOffice features that would be very valuable if used for manuals and regulations. Cross-references, footnotes, glossaries, chapter headings are examples. But this is simply not done, even when existing documents are effectively incomprehensible. Employees are simply not smart enough to even learn how to use the above features within documents. They are certainly not smart enough to learn how to insert the above features.
So much of the software is useless: incomprehensible databases that deliver incomprehensible documents, spreadsheets that don't contain links outside of pages or links to sources, charts that mean nothing. Much of this chaos is deliberate -- "These days, to be understood is to be found out".
In short, the idea isn't to have MS Office produce Superman, it's to to have people use the software to do something useful, and to enable them to do so by using well established writing methods. That this is not done on something as simple as reports, spreadsheets, document collections, is a hint as to why general purpose engineering software does not exist.Replies: @QCIC
Some software packages have a strange professional leveling effect. As an example, in the case of mechanical engineering a 3D computer-aided design program turns engineers into draftsmen and draftsmen into engineers. In times past, a serious mechanical engineering project might have a few engineers, a designer and a number of draftsmen. Some have criticized this as a “caste system” but it was really based on meritocracy. The engineers have the highest responsibility and do not have the time to expend making all the detailed drawings. On the other hand, the CAD is exciting for both camps since it allows the draftsman to do engineering without having to invest in the training. For the engineer, the CAD allows the engineer to visualize things easily and avoid the hassle of working with a surly modern design department. There is a lot of good in the powerful software, but I think it does not improve productivity as much as it remedially corrects for the lost productivity of the past 40 years of intellectual decay. Naturally there are examples of people who became enormously productive using the software, but in my experience they are the rare exception.
Word processing is similar. Word processors turn authors into amateur typists, editors, typesetters and graphic artists. For the professional writer, these may be added capabilities. For other professionals who must also create written material, having them do all the mechanical work of professional publishing is a poor use of their time.
I've found a time or two that organizing the material into an organized document improves my understanding of the subject matter.
Further, I usually don't have access to the other professionals that you mention. Nobody else does either - and this is the case for some astonishingly high level organizations.Strongly agree with the above. I should add that at least some of the general purpose software aids simply fail when large programs or analyses of large volumes of data are attempted. You would think that virtual memory and relatively large fast memory and huge disk spaces would prevent that, but apparently not.
OTH, the intellectual decay ensures that very few will realize this, so maybe it doesn't matter."Matchmaker", from Fidler on the Roof
Word processing is similar. Word processors turn authors into amateur typists, editors, typesetters and graphic artists. For the professional writer, these may be added capabilities. For other professionals who must also create written material, having them do all the mechanical work of professional publishing is a poor use of their time.Replies: @Anonymous
True enough.
I’ve found a time or two that organizing the material into an organized document improves my understanding of the subject matter.
Further, I usually don’t have access to the other professionals that you mention. Nobody else does either – and this is the case for some astonishingly high level organizations.
Strongly agree with the above. I should add that at least some of the general purpose software aids simply fail when large programs or analyses of large volumes of data are attempted. You would think that virtual memory and relatively large fast memory and huge disk spaces would prevent that, but apparently not.
OTH, the intellectual decay ensures that very few will realize this, so maybe it doesn’t matter.
“Matchmaker”, from Fidler on the Roof