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Jun 18, 2021 11:42 PM

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Shun's party is really having a hard time against Sophia!
oh man! what happened!? why is Kumoko in that form closed eyes in discreet human like form...lolz
Potimas getting serious eh...!?
4/5.


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I couldn't understand why Ariel and Kumoko are getting along now. How did that even happen? In the last episode, we see that Ariel uses magic and Kumoko sorta disppears.
And now suddenly they're together going for the elf village. Can anyone help me understand the flow? And why is she human now?
Jun 19, 2021 12:49 AM
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beast_regards said:

Of course, it is shounen. Didn't you noticed 13+ rating.
Unless you argue that shounen is a genre and not an age category.

Let's just ignore all the:
- Cannibalism (and I'm not talking about Kumoko eating her siblings or humans)
- Slavity
- Parricide and Matricide
Surprise

- The plethora of mental diseases that most characters have


Also, you know that American and Japanese ratings aren't the same, right?
The novel is rated +13 in America but in Japan it is R15
Jun 19, 2021 1:00 AM
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lol
The anime really shrunk the Glorias, in the novel those shits are massive.


For size comparisons (Arachne evolution spoiler)


Also, the virgin human army fighting the Elf Army. Meanwhile, the chad demon army is fighting this
Volume 14 spoiler
Jun 19, 2021 1:00 AM

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linkhuesitos said:
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thats it the anime gets from me a 6/10 more does it not deserve i mean robots in a fantasy world? thats so stupid

And exactly who said that this is a fantasy world??? Kumoko?
Did the story said that she was an omnipotent being that knows everything?

There has been hints here and there throught the whole anime... For God's sake, the RPG mechanic is called "THE SYSTEM".
In this novel almost everything is foreshadow.

SkyLETV said:
Whaaaaaaaaat... Why the fuck do elves have a modern command center... and mechas?!!!!!!

The truth is in the little details.
Yes, the world was originally presented as a fantasy world but there're always oddities that showed glimpses of mordenity.
The author has always hated several cliches of most isekais, like how the Medieval world seems to have modern elements for no reason.

Proof images hide in spoiler box.
The Administrator Güliedistodiez clearly knew what a smartphone was and how to use it


The world has modern style glasses


The obvious digital effect of some skills


The world has modern style swimsuits


Puppet Taratects are obviously based on modern style mannequins and their whole body material is also clearly based on plastic, not wood


The fake rockwall that was clearly not moved with magic



Almost all of your proof are typical anachronism elements in most of the other fantasy animes or fantasy isekai's I watched. I don't think you can blame me or others for thinking these are meaningless details, and that they didn't make this look less "fantasy" like.

"The Administrator Güliedistodiez clearly knew what a smartphone was and how to use it"
The "Administrators" seems like the equivalent of gods in this world, them using out-of-this-world things doesn't seems weird to me. Also, they being part of the so called "System" really doesn't said anything special, again, it's nothing that I haven't heard before. The same with "Skills", "MA Points", "Skill points", "MP Points", etc. Game like systems or mechanics names, in this type of anime, aren't something rare to see.

"The world has modern style glasses"
A typical anachronism.

"The obvious digital effect of some skills"
I mean, it seems like magic, doesn't really say anything to me either just because it use squares or seems "digital".

"The world has modern style swimsuits"
Another typical anachronism.

"Puppet Taratects are obviously based on modern style mannequins and their whole body material is also clearly based on plastic, not wood"
It also could be any other white material or be painted white (or... another anachronism), but I have no problem with this point, it's indeed something out of the usual.

"The fake rockwall that was clearly not moved with magic"
To be honest I don't remember what are you pointing here and I don't really want to go back and find it, so I have nothing to say about it.


"The author has always hated several cliches of most isekais, like how the Medieval world seems to have modern elements for no reason." That sounds nice, and I appreciate it, I'm also tired of these things, but as far as this show goes, I didn't feel like this was any different.

With that said, it may be just me that I'm influenced by a lot of the fantasy/isekai anime where those details doesn't mean anything, but hopefully I was able to explain why I didn't like at all those mechas and computers that came apparently out of nowhere in the middle of an elven "forest " in the middle of a swords and magic fight.


And to close: I'm a anime-only viewer, so I don't really care about what the novel or the manga show, I only care about what the anime showed to me. I just wanted to clarify this because I don't like when people try to justify thing because it was showed or was better explained in other media. (Not saying that this was your case, just something I wanted to comment about).
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Jun 19, 2021 1:22 AM
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joexmdq said:
Almost all of your proof are typical anachronism elements in most of the other fantasy animes or fantasy isekai's I watched. I don't think you can blame me or others for thinking these are meaningless details, and that they didn't make this look less "fantasy" like.

This is exactly what I'm talking about, the author takes these elements that at this point are already normal in isekais and point them as oddities that should have been noticed 'cuz they obviously should stand out.

"The fake rockwall that was clearly not moved with magic"
To be honest I don't remember what are you pointing here and I don't really want to go back and find it, so I have nothing to say about it.


I wanted to point that there wasn't a magic circle on the rockwall which implies that whatever moved the rockwall it wasn't magic.
It was my mistake if it wasn't clear enough.

And to close: I'm a anime-only viewer, so I don't really care about what the novel or the manga show, I only care about what the anime showed to me. I just wanted to clarify this because I don't like when people try to justify thing because it was showed or was better explained in other media. (Not saying that this was your case, just something I wanted to comment about).

Don't worry, I picked only elements that the anime showed. There're a lot of other foreshadows of the mechas in the novel but it wouldn't be fair to point them out.
And when I'm talking about something that was skipped I try to always use the spoiler tag.
Jun 19, 2021 1:47 AM
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priyankakarki said:
I couldn't understand why Ariel and Kumoko are getting along now. How did that even happen? In the last episode, we see that Ariel uses magic and Kumoko sorta disppears.
And now suddenly they're together going for the elf village. Can anyone help me understand the flow? And why is she human now?

Wait for the next episode.

In case you cannot wait
Jun 19, 2021 1:52 AM

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1. I understand it follows the LN . I was just pointing out that unlike the anime with all these stupid confusing time jumps the manga has a consistent time line
2. why is the manga crappy? Jumping from past to present to future without explaining anything is good story telling in your opinion?


The manga is crappy because it literally leaves out half the story, not to mention the terrible character designs (Kumoko looks like an ant, Wrath looks nothing like he's supposed too, and Don't even get me started on
) If you actually pay attention the time skips are not difficult to figure out in the least.
If I did not read the manga until last translated chapter as of now or had a knowledge of the LN there is almost no chance to understand the two timelines from that clusterfck that was the last 4 episodes. About leaving out half the story ... the manga is not done yet, maybe they will add the other half in its PROPER TIMELINE!
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The pacing of the latter part of the show has been really frustrating for me and while I loved this anime at the beginning and was so caught up in its story and so keen to see what happens next, it's felt like it's just been dragging now and so I decided to find the WN and read a little bit around where the story is now because I just couldn't be bothered at this point.

From what I can see, it seems like we have so little information and back story in the anime compared to the WN - I think it would have been so much more interesting would have really kept people's attention if the anime had been more faithful to the WN in terms of the order of the story and the information it divulges. I appreciate that's not always possible, but I feel like maybe some parts of the adaptation were rushed while others were really drawn out.

Here are some very big spoilers that I got from just a couple of chapters:



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linkhuesitos said:
priyankakarki said:
I couldn't understand why Ariel and Kumoko are getting along now. How did that even happen? In the last episode, we see that Ariel uses magic and Kumoko sorta disppears.
And now suddenly they're together going for the elf village. Can anyone help me understand the flow? And why is she human now?

Wait for the next episode.

In case you cannot wait


Thanks! So, is it also made clear in the anime? Maybe, something I missed?
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we only get one episodes left and this one didn't even include the main character.
and Shun pulled the power of friendship crap.

and they brought machine technology into this world? wtf.

priyankakarki said:
I couldn't understand why Ariel and Kumoko are getting along now. How did that even happen? In the last episode, we see that Ariel uses magic and Kumoko sorta disppears.
And now suddenly they're together going for the elf village. Can anyone help me understand the flow? And why is she human now?

I want to tell you about that, but it will considered a spoiler. you can look it yourself in Kumo desu ga wikipedia about who is the woman in white that follow Ariel the entire time.
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nightcrawlercyp said:
billybub said:


The manga is crappy because it literally leaves out half the story, not to mention the terrible character designs (Kumoko looks like an ant, Wrath looks nothing like he's supposed too, and Don't even get me started on
) If you actually pay attention the time skips are not difficult to figure out in the least.
If I did not read the manga until last translated chapter as of now or had a knowledge of the LN there is almost no chance to understand the two timelines from that clusterfck that was the last 4 episodes. About leaving out half the story ... the manga is not done yet, maybe they will add the other half in its PROPER TIMELINE!
Don't worry they will add later on next episode.

Part 01 :


Part 02 :


Part 03 :


Basically this season just telling us how two different POVs or timelines connect each other then leave some hints and questions at same time while we must wait S2 to answer that or read through LN next chapter.

In future of Kumo's Manga, i guess it will content some of LN Vol.6.
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Shimura27 said:
nightcrawlercyp said:
If I did not read the manga until last translated chapter as of now or had a knowledge of the LN there is almost no chance to understand the two timelines from that clusterfck that was the last 4 episodes. About leaving out half the story ... the manga is not done yet, maybe they will add the other half in its PROPER TIMELINE!
Don't worry they will add later on next episode.

Part 01 :


Part 02 :


Part 03 :


Basically this season just telling us how two different POVs or timelines connect each other then leave some hints and questions at same time while we must wait S2 to answer that or read through LN next chapter.

In future of Kumo's Manga, i guess it will content some of LN Vol.6.
ok. It just makes more sense how the manga did it at least to me
Jun 19, 2021 3:32 AM
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Dont read part 3, heavy spoiler contents.
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Marinate1016 said:
The human only episodes>>>>>

Love seeing their perspective. But I hate the CGI used for the Shun v Hugo fight. I’ve seen a lot of people praise kumo’s CGI use, but I think it’s awful. Luckily, the story is good enough to make up for any of that.

The fact the hero and everyone else combined have no shot of taking on Sophia shows how OP she is. Good call by Fei to hold off on doing anything rash. Kyouya being with the demon army is pretty cool. I was wondering if any of the reincarnations got the opportunity to go to the other side.

That scream by Shun at the end was pretty gut wrenching. Gonna be interesting to see how they wrap this first season up next week. With the success this show’s had and the LN’s sells, I don’t think s2 is far away.


I like seeing their perspective too, even if they are a little bland (with the exceptions of the villains minus Hugo) the Cgi is shit but at least the world building and story makes up for it.

The thing I’ll like to point out is the mech the elf’s have, no doubt the teacher told them about it, so what else do they have?

Cant what to see more of Kumo in human form tho
Jun 19, 2021 5:27 AM

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ffuck this , i want season 2 as soon as possible !!!
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Abyhape said:
we only get one episodes left and this one didn't even include the main character.
and Shun pulled the power of friendship crap.

and they brought machine technology into this world? wtf.

priyankakarki said:
I couldn't understand why Ariel and Kumoko are getting along now. How did that even happen? In the last episode, we see that Ariel uses magic and Kumoko sorta disppears.
And now suddenly they're together going for the elf village. Can anyone help me understand the flow? And why is she human now?

I want to tell you about that, but it will considered a spoiler. you can look it yourself in Kumo desu ga wikipedia about who is the woman in white that follow Ariel the entire time.


Well power of friendship against an opponent way too strong for you won't work (and Sophia clearly tells that).
Jun 19, 2021 5:47 AM
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Wtf, Potimas owned Mecha unit? Whats goin on there? Well, the way Ariel talks to Wrath kinda give me an idea of their real deal there. Potimas was their real target. Poor Hugo, after gettin beaten easily like that, he got dumped hard by Sophia. Idk if those demon butler killed him, though, maybe its just incapacitating him. Still, the way they kept all of those information as a secret, even among their old reincarnation friends, like Wrath to Shun for example. It can't help me but felt wrong as the result. Why they didn't tell them straight away? The reason is for a plot sake, you silly. Still, i feel bad for a seconds to Shun's party there, more importantly for the sensei. They knew nothing, yet, still forced to be in the middle of the emptiness.

That's being said. The 3g battle still crap as always. Finally the woman in white got some dialogue there. Its definitely Yuuki Aoi. Even at those little and hazy sound i can understand right away its Yuuki sound. Then how they end the Kumoko's timeline with all of those mess? I have no idea and it may lead to a perfect dissapointing cliffhanger for their finale. So, lets see how they handle all of those shit next week. Finger crossed!
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That Sophia is one little hot blood sucker! Loved her time in the spotlight.

OMG, it took me way too long to realize that she was that baby.
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Honestly, that was the best human episode so far, I expect the last episode to be mainly focused on Kumoko, so all the people who only watch for Kumoko, look forward to that. I'd take this kinda decent looking CGI anyday than whatever the fuck 2D animation we got before.

Shun is the annoyingly cliche heroic mc and that is the point, he's meant to be like that, he's meant to be our Walmart Julius lmao. I loved Sophia destroying their power of friendship though, what a savage. And pretty interesting that Merazophis is a vampire now and he's a fucking commander. Kyouya finally makes his appearance as Wrath the 8th commander of the Demon Army, he seems really cool.

Holy shit we mecha now, and people say mecha is dead. I wonder how Potimas was able to get these machines, Potimas is still one big mystery. I really hope we get a season 2, with better production hopefully. Really looking forward to the season finale.
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This was a disappointing episode because they didn't show the second part of the Ariel vs Kumiko fight. Plus the CGI was bad. They really must want us to hate the human side. The humans have the worst animation and they didn't work to make them interesting characters. It feels like filler whenever the human part comes in, and it shouldn't since they play a role in the story. I hope the CGI and animation are off b/c they're saving everything for the final episode.
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Hello, hello....
I don't want to make it out the fake.

I'm too weird to live but much too rare to die.


Jun 19, 2021 8:22 AM

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My eyes have been assaulted. This anime is all over the place. The manga has to be better, right?
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Brushrop03 said:
My eyes have been assaulted. This anime is all over the place. The manga has to be better, right?


Read the LN, don't waste your time with the manga.
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fantastic . annoying characters fighting annoying who-the-fuck-are-you-? characters . just what i wanted . one more ep and we done with it . i hate myself for getting my hopes up of this getting any better in any department.......
barely know who is fighting who for what reason .

painfully thinking back on it , i guess the only interesting thing this anime did was the different timeline reveal eh .... and everything that followed it was pretty much shit as well.
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fantastic . annoying characters fighting annoying who-the-fuck-are-you-? characters . just what i wanted . one more ep and we done with it . i hate myself for getting my hopes up of this getting any better in any department.......
barely know who is fighting who for what reason .

painfully thinking back on it , i guess the only interesting thing this anime did was the different timeline reveal eh .... and everything that followed it was pretty much shit as well.


Guess you didn't understand that the one who's fighting Shun is actually the baby saved by Kumoko and the 4th demon commander is the same guy who appears with Sophia's father.
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groudonvert said:
TweedleDane said:
fantastic . annoying characters fighting annoying who-the-fuck-are-you-? characters . just what i wanted . one more ep and we done with it . i hate myself for getting my hopes up of this getting any better in any department.......
barely know who is fighting who for what reason .

painfully thinking back on it , i guess the only interesting thing this anime did was the different timeline reveal eh .... and everything that followed it was pretty much shit as well.


Guess you didn't understand that the one who's fighting Shun is actually the baby saved by Kumoko and the 4th demon commander is the same guy who appears with Sophia's father.
I know that . Ii can tell that much don't know what their motives are tho . I am talking mostly about the reincarnations and who the they are supposed to be . And honestly I couldn't care less at this point ....
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TweedleDane said:
groudonvert said:


Guess you didn't understand that the one who's fighting Shun is actually the baby saved by Kumoko and the 4th demon commander is the same guy who appears with Sophia's father.
I know that . Ii can tell that much don't know what their motives are tho . I am talking mostly about the reincarnations and who the they are supposed to be . And honestly I couldn't care less at this point ....


Well I'm sorry to tell you that if you just wanted to watch a grinding spider because it's fun, that part is finished ^^ Now begins Kumoko's story.
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barely know who is fighting who for what reason.

This is the point.
Sophia herself told Shun that all his Hero bullshit is stupid because he doesn't know anything.

The start of the episode states that all of this is a long conflict between Potimas and Ariel, this is comfirmed because in the past we saw the 3 main factions (Ariel, the Elves and the Church) are in a cold war waiting for an opportunity to destroy the others.

painfully thinking back on it , i guess the only interesting thing this anime did was the different timeline reveal eh .... and everything that followed it was pretty much shit as well.

Dude, this is a 14+ volumes novel. Do you really expect it to explain everything this early?

Quick Rundown in case you don't care anymore.
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TweedleDane said:
groudonvert said:


Well I'm sorry to tell you that if you just wanted to watch a grinding spider because it's fun, that part is finished ^^ Now begins Kumoko's story.
i would have enjoyed the human's side of the story if it was done well . and just from the beginning itself it was not leaving a good impression . it had its highs (which werent anything noteworthy) , but it was just getting butchered ep after ep , which made it hard to get into it .
there is a reason why 90% of the viewers dont like the human side.
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This is the point.
Sophia herself told Shun that all his Hero bullshit is stupid because he doesn't know anything.

The start of the episode states that all of this is a long conflict between Potimas and Ariel, this is comfirmed because in the past we saw the 3 main factions (Ariel, the Elves and the Church) are in a cold war waiting for an opportunity to destroy the others.


Dude, this is a 14+ volumes novel. Do you really expect it to explain everything this early?

Quick Rundown in case you don't care anymore.
they dont have to explain everything for the story to get good . when you have a convoluted and complicated power system and storyline , there are certains ways to present them for the viewers to get into it especially if you are trying to make it into some sci-fi bullshit. and this show didnt hit any of those points . thus my immeasurable disspointment .

and lad , while i did say i dont care anymore , i am not in any need of humungous spoiler drops . maybe one day if i have infinite amount of time in my hands i might check out the LNs .
and from reading a bit of it , it really looks like it is going to with the continue with current level of quality in writing . So i am good .


I agree that because they skip important parts that make Shun's story more interesting to follow and a bad animation doesn't make them very intertaining to follow.

But if you excuse me in this "90 %" you also have 50 % of guys who actually don't watch the episodes that doesn't have Kumoko. That statement is not valid, just because of that. And you also have the famous comment for episode 22 : "A 20 minutes episode and nothing happened."

They didn't explain everything, far from it. And there are many foreshadowing in previous episodes for this reveal, the most obvious : D's smartphone in a "Fantasy World". If an Administrator of the world is not surprised by that, you know there's something deeper (and can we talk about Gülie's futuristic room one second ?).



And besides that, I think most viewers are too much used to normal Isekai where the MC becomes the god of the world by killing the most powerfull god or bullshit like that. Kumo Desu Ga Nani Ka is not like that at all.
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God, I wouldn't mind the bad animation in this series if the framing of everything wasn't so jarring. Whoever storyboarded this needs to go back to basics because they failed miserably, imo. The fights and back and forth dialogue is framed so weirdly that it's distracting, and the timing of the animation itself stutters in places that only accentuates the issue.

I've made it known plenty of times over the course of this series that I don't care for the human bits - even if they have worldbuilding plot points in them - but this episode really solidified my disinterest in all of it. Props to Sophia for calling out his stupid hero act. I can appreciate the blatant callout of generic tropes. It made me hopeful the series took the bait and someone just straight up killed Shun to shut him up lmao

The threads for this series are a mess, which really shows you how much this adaptation failed to properly portray valuable information. If people need to bring citations from the VN to explain something in the series it did not do a good job, and it's not the viewers job to to piece together information that isn't provided within the context of an adaptation to fill in important gaps. There were plenty of times I felt things didn't need a cliffhanger and, if paced properly, would have only taken half the screen time.

I'm really hoping for a season 2 because I still really liked Kumoko and the overall story it was trying to tell but gosh do I hope, however unlikely, that another studio handles it.
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And now we are at the decisive point. If a second season isn't announced next week or soon after this adaptation will be meaningless, specially with this godforsaken animation during the second cour.

I was wondering how much of the "future" war they were going to show but, they went as far as show Gloria in this season, they really shouldn't have. No matter where next episode ends it won't have a satisfying stoping point. I was ok with leaving the Taboo reveal as a cliffhanger to next season but idk about what they're doing...
And they've cut a lot of best girl Katia moments so there's also that. At least best girl Sophia was a badass and put Shun in his place I suppose, it was nice hearing it be voice acted, but a dram cd would suffice....

But seriously, if we don't get a second season this would be a waste of time.

Man it was entraining to read everyone's reaction to mecha. Instead of calling garbage I was driven to know wtf is going on, but given how the anime handled it I can relate a little. But yeah fantasy world? Lol nope. Shame you'll have to wait for season two for actual answers. Haaaa, they really shouldn't have shown mechas in this season.... Oh well.
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And now we are at the decisive point. If a second season isn't announced next week or soon after this adaptation will be meaningless, specially with this godforsaken animation during the second cour.

I was wondering how much of the "future" war they were going to show but, they went as far as show Gloria in this season, they really shouldn't have. No matter where next episode ends it won't have a satisfying stoping point. I was ok with leaving the Taboo reveal as a cliffhanger to next season but idk about what they're doing...
And they've cut a lot of best girl Katia moments so there's also that. At least best girl Sophia was a badass and put Shun in his place I suppose, it was nice hearing it be voice acted, but a dram cd would suffice....

But seriously, if we don't get a second season this would be a waste of time.

Man it was entraining to read everyone's reaction to mecha. Instead of calling garbage I was driven to know wtf is going on, but given how the anime handled it I can relate a little. But yeah fantasy world? Lol nope. Shame you'll have to wait for season two for actual answers. Haaaa, they really shouldn't have shown mechas in this season.... Oh well.



Even if they followed character by character the LN, never they would have finish the season with a proper ending. How is that even possible with how finishes the Prolepsis in LN5 ?
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Well, that was a clusterfuck of information with lots of poor explanation.

Last few episodes have been extremely rushed and the ex-arm levels of GCI makes me want to puke.
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This was the most boring, least interesting, most poorly produced anime episode I've seen this season... -.-'
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Well, that was a clusterfuck of information with lots of poor explanation.

Last few episodes have been extremely rushed and the ex-arm levels of GCI makes me want to puke.


Because there's no explanation in the LN at this point either. The explanations come later.
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Because there's no explanation in the LN at this point either. The explanations come later.

They aren't going to explain shit.
It's one episode remaining.
They failed to explain even the basics about the world before they rendered it utterly irrelevant by sudden genre shift despite wasting half of the runtime on morons that were supposed to provide that information at least according to LN readers.
They failed to explain the teacher's skill delete power in more than 10 episodes, and entirely forgot it existed as it did its job to trigger the conflict, and they will forget about everything else too.
This show practically relies on making worldbuilding a "mystery" to rewrite itself on demand.
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It's amazing how many people want each and every season to end by resolving every loose end in the story.

Of course that used to be the way television series (except for soap opera) had to be done - all episodes had to be self contained - no story arcs, almost no character progression, so that individual episodes sould be syndicated later and shown out of sequence.
The few shows that had a long term story had to carefully paint that on top of individual stories every episode.

Yes, doing things that way meant any new viewer could just jump in, but it prevented serious storytelling.

This anime is not that type of show. It is a long story with mystery elements and a beginning, middle, and end.

There are a LOT of clues that things are different from most other shows, and that things are not what they might seem at first glance.

Despite that, there are a lot of people that would prefer the show NOT include X or Y or complain about Z, where X, Y, and Z are critical elements of the story.

It's like saying "Re:Zero would be a great show if only Subaru didn't die". That is complaining about the entire premise of the story.
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Because there's no explanation in the LN at this point either. The explanations come later.

They aren't going to explain shit.
It's one episode remaining.
They failed to explain even the basics about the world before they rendered it utterly irrelevant by sudden genre shift despite wasting half of the runtime on morons that were supposed to provide that information at least according to LN readers.
They failed to explain the teacher's skill delete power in more than 10 episodes, and entirely forgot it existed as it did its job to trigger the conflict, and they will forget about everything else too.
This show practically relies on making worldbuilding a "mystery" to rewrite itself on demand.


In season 2 if there'll be one. In case you didn't notice yet, there are too much stuff going on for that it's possible to finish the story in one episode.

In episode 20 we learnt that the world is dying and Kumoko wants to do something against it. In episode 23, we learnt that the demons attack the elves because they believe that's because of them. And with those mecha and very advanced technology we can guess why they think they are responsible.

And about the teacher's delete skill, we don't really know anything about it in the LN either (well English reader)... yet. Because, like I told you, we will see later Shun's story by Kumoko's eyes. And many things that are uncleared yet become clearer later. For example : Oka's delete skill.

And just for information, Oka told us about the Godess Religion where the followers willingly delete their own skin to the Godess.


Abredon said:


There are a LOT of clues that things are different from most other shows, and that things are not what they might seem at first glance.

Despite that, there are a lot of people that would prefer the show NOT include X or Y or complain about Z, where X, Y, and Z are critical elements of the story.


Yeah about that... I find funny this complaints about episode without Kumoko. It's a few episodes and Kumoko is back in the next... Now imagine an entire volume without any Kumoko POV. How would be LN readers' reaction ? (I already know the answer of course)
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last 3 episodes were crap...
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beast_regards said:
groudonvert said:
Because there's no explanation in the LN at this point either. The explanations come later.

They aren't going to explain shit.
It's one episode remaining.
They failed to explain even the basics about the world before they rendered it utterly irrelevant by sudden genre shift despite wasting half of the runtime on morons that were supposed to provide that information at least according to LN readers.
They failed to explain the teacher's skill delete power in more than 10 episodes, and entirely forgot it existed as it did its job to trigger the conflict, and they will forget about everything else too.
This show practically relies on making worldbuilding a "mystery" to rewrite itself on demand.
They will but just some alot like where Kumoko was, why Sophia on Demon side, why Potimas, why Sophia servant is Vampire now, but other than that just wait S2. XD
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I really like the future/present day episodes. I used to get a bit confused when they'd switch from the cave to the class room until they made it clear that it was 2 different points in time.

I think the girl in white is our little spider in human form.
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And now we are at the decisive point. If a second season isn't announced next week or soon after this adaptation will be meaningless, specially with this godforsaken animation during the second cour.

I was wondering how much of the "future" war they were going to show but, they went as far as show Gloria in this season, they really shouldn't have. No matter where next episode ends it won't have a satisfying stoping point. I was ok with leaving the Taboo reveal as a cliffhanger to next season but idk about what they're doing...
And they've cut a lot of best girl Katia moments so there's also that. At least best girl Sophia was a badass and put Shun in his place I suppose, it was nice hearing it be voice acted, but a dram cd would suffice....

But seriously, if we don't get a second season this would be a waste of time.

Man it was entraining to read everyone's reaction to mecha. Instead of calling garbage I was driven to know wtf is going on, but given how the anime handled it I can relate a little. But yeah fantasy world? Lol nope. Shame you'll have to wait for season two for actual answers. Haaaa, they really shouldn't have shown mechas in this season.... Oh well.



Even if they followed character by character the LN, never they would have finish the season with a proper ending. How is that even possible with how finishes the Prolepsis in LN5 ?


They skipped a lot of stuff for the sake of not ending anything properly. If they needed to skip stuff taboo reveal and/or Kumoko evolution would have been good stopping points. And if they skipped less they could have ended right before the war(s). This kind of story does need a second season anyway, but the way they're doing is questionable. The bad thing is that I actually understand why they're doing this this way, but still.
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Primo_Itoko said:
groudonvert said:



Even if they followed character by character the LN, never they would have finish the season with a proper ending. How is that even possible with how finishes the Prolepsis in LN5 ?


They skipped a lot of stuff for the sake of not ending anything properly. If they needed to skip stuff taboo reveal and/or Kumoko evolution would have been good stopping points. And if they skipped less they could have ended right before the war(s). This kind of story does need a second season anyway, but the way they're doing is questionable. The bad thing is that I actually understand why they're doing this this way, but still.

They stopped at a natural stopping point in the story - this is the point in the Light Novels where the future war is put in hold while we see what Kumoko (and others) has been up to in those 15 years in between.

There are NO points in this story where everything is resolved before the actual ending. This point covers as much as is practical - you have learned the various factions, that they went to war, and are at the big battle that will decide whether the world is saved or destroyed. You don't know everything about why various groups are on each side - that is covered later.

Practical stopping points in the Light Novels:
End of LN 3/exit Labyrinth (doesn't represent the story well. No big reveals)
Here at end of LN 5/war climax (quite a few big reveals and shows the important stuff) this is the end of the prologue of the story
At end of LN 7 (too far for 24 episodes)
At end of LN 10 - this is at a good stopping point in the middle of the story.
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Primo_Itoko said:
groudonvert said:



Even if they followed character by character the LN, never they would have finish the season with a proper ending. How is that even possible with how finishes the Prolepsis in LN5 ?


They skipped a lot of stuff for the sake of not ending anything properly. If they needed to skip stuff taboo reveal and/or Kumoko evolution would have been good stopping points. And if they skipped less they could have ended right before the war(s). This kind of story does need a second season anyway, but the way they're doing is questionable. The bad thing is that I actually understand why they're doing this this way, but still.


Before the war ? The prolepsis is pointless if the final part is cut. Both side is important to the story. You can't tell that Shun has to fight the Demon Lord if you don't explain why (episode 22 did with Julius). And Shun story has to be finished before we go back to Kumoko's timeline after her battle with Ariel (for an reason that I won't spoil).


Abredon > I'm not sure what is worse : finish a season with LN11 or begin a season with LN11 ^^
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It's true that for me personally, it feels like the story has taken a bit of a hit with less Kumoko and more Shun and friends. Having said that, I also realize that Shun and friends' arc is important for providing details that we wouldn't have gotten from Kumoko's pov (not for a long time at least). Animation this episode was ok. Not as bad as say the animation for the last bit of last week's episode, but I feel like it got the points across well.

Sophia clearly did not want to kill them. She states it as much and says that those are the masters' instructions. Even if she is powerful, we have never seen her go 1v5 before so I feel like this was really relevant. The way she also handled everything thrown at her including that magic spell that caused the ground to shake to create an opening. It also made you wonder how her story went. We know she was almost killed by Potimas at least once, but you also wonder just when she realized that Kumoko saved her, what is going on in this world and wonder how she got to be that strong.

The anime (or story) is purposely leaving out details here. I mean, did Shun and friends even ask why they are fighting with them? When wrath came, it wasn't a moment where they tried to talk it with them, but rather a "we can't let this happen" even when it became incredibly obvious that something must be up if these old classmates are fighting against you. I think only Kanata seemed to question things during this whole episode and Shun, while has improved lately, is sadly an idiot this episode.

Why is he even defending the elves? He and his friends don't know much about this world but they are choosing sides. Why not try to learn a little and decide if you would still rather be on the elves' side or if you should be switching to the demon lord's side? Do agree that they could've shortened the fights to make these mecha machines, the Glorias, show up sooner. I wasn't extremely surprised at them being there, more interested to see just why these were feared (or at least, must be if the elves were surprised that Potimas wanted to deploy them all). As mentioned, it also lines up with the phone that admin D spawned several times, with Kumoko's leveling (she mentions it's like a game way back in the first couple of episodes) and as someone mentioned, her scans which showed it like a matrix.

On that point, we finally get to see the girl in white next week. I can only guess that it's Kumoko and will introduce herself. I hope they go all out to make up for these ok-ish last couple of episodes. Perhaps, and most likely, we will see a display of Kumoko's powers at hand. What makes this interesting is that Shun's party went through the labyrinth a while back, they encountered all these spiders talking about reincarnations meaning that Kumoko likely lived through her encounter if they are her kids, but then we are also kumoko-deprived because the anime has been giving a lot of spotlight to Shun and friends so it's hard to say what's actually went down. I'm also interested to see how that blue-haired (originally) human (forgot name) because a commander in the demon army.

Next week can't come fast enough!
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People compmaining about Shun's power of friendship are hilarious... guys, that shit only works for the MC and that isnt Shun, in case you havent noticed.

More shitty animation and CGI from Millipense, they really try hard to make people hate the human side. They also showed too early the Glorias and scy fi elements, instead of doing it like the LN so it could get properly explained (specially considering cour 1 ends next week and it wont explain shit).

The Prolepsis is almost finished, next episode would have the last of Shun's PoV so a season 2 would only follow Kumoko... but jesus, i dont want a Season 2 made by Millipense. This reminds me of my hate of JC Staff's Danmachi adaptation.
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8igfan said:
I'm also interested to see how that blue-haired (originally) human (forgot name) because a commander in the demon army.

Next week can't come fast enough!
I wonder if everyone think just like you think. The blue haired one you mentioned, he's Merazophis.
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People compmaining about Shun's power of friendship are hilarious... guys, that shit only works for the MC and that isnt Shun, in case you havent noticed.

More shitty animation and CGI from Millipense, they really try hard to make people hate the human side. They also showed too early the Glorias and scy fi elements, instead of doing it like the LN so it could get properly explained (specially considering cour 1 ends next week and it wont explain shit).

The Prolepsis is almost finished, next episode would have the last of Shun's PoV so a season 2 would only follow Kumoko... but jesus, i dont want a Season 2 made by Millipense. This reminds me of my hate of JC Staff's Danmachi adaptation.
i was expecting Glorias from previous episode. But sadly the plot is somewhere i couldn't remember at all.

Yes, we need good studio to animate this. XD
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First thing, I don't like Shun. Now that I said that, I can answer you :)

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I think only Kanata seemed to question things during this whole episode and Shun, while has improved lately, is sadly an idiot this episode.


Before the elves arrive, the last person to say (more like think) something is Shun : "What's the actual truth ?"

Maybe he wants to know the truth because he doesn't want to believe his friend is evil ?

8igfan said:
Why is he even defending the elves?


Hard to say, when he learns that the Demon Lord is in the Elves village, the first thing he thinks is not the elves, but his fellow reincarnations (quick images of them).
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