Get Transformers G1 and Transformers G1 Movie back to MAL

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Fortress_Maximus said:

Damolisher said:

Which means it's American animation outsourced to Asian studios like a majority of other American cartoons from the same time. Also. so what if other Japanese stories "depend" on the G1 cartoon? Headmasters outright ignores part of the cartoon, the Manga has little to nothing to do with the cartoon, and Car Robots allegedly being a retcon is entirely irrelevant. Scramble City is a Japanese only OVA which isn't factored into anything by anything done by the cartoon.

Goddamn, that's some dubious reasoning.

The American-written cartoon known as the The Transformers is not should what be added to MAL but the Japanese adaptation of the first two seasons called Fight! Super Robot Life Form Transformers and the dub of the third season, 2010, separately.

People often assume the continuity diverged at The Headmasters vs The Rebirth, but there was already a difference stemming way back — when the names were different in FSRLFT, when Metroplex/Trypticon were given unique origins story in Scramble City, when the third season is set 1 year after The Movie but 2010 is set 5 years after.

These Japanese original stories do not depend on a cartoon but a Japanese dub of a cartoon.

This is very much important because with FSRLFT and The Movie gone, all the anime related to them have their relations either went missing or fall back to The Headmasters which makes no sense; Q Transformers has nothing at all to do with The Headmasters. Scramble City is related to NO other anime anymore! Being a side story to FSRLFT was the only relation it had.

The word of Takara Tomy is pretty much the word of god here, if they retcon Car Robots to be G1 then it is G1. The relations it should have isn't alternate setting but sequel to Scramble City and prequel to The Movie.

Think of this as a reverse Robotech; Japanese companies took a cartoon and turned into anime, the original isn't what should be added but the Japanese dub of it should.

That isn't how it works at all. They're dubs of the English cartoon with some minor alternations and a few spinoffs. That's not how MyAnimeList works, or again, you'd fall into the trap of "where do they draw the line."

It's not like Robotech in the goddamned slightest. They didn't cut, paste and severely alter multiple different series, they renamed one straight dub, gave the third series a sequel name unnecessarily to differenciate the seasons. They renamed characters, yay? And again: Scramble City by itself is in the database because it's a Japanese only OVA. You're legitimately grasping at straws.

And as for your "they need a reference!" Bit, again, flawed and ridiculous. Headmasters and so on can be watched without any knowledge of the prequels. By that token, some of the other anime here like that one Powerpuff Girls anime they made require the original cartoon. Then what else? Things like Highlander: Quest for Vengeance need their parent movies to go here?

Come on. This is the height of "because I say so."

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I really don't understand why some of you guys are trying so hard to begging those America cartoons (Transformers, RWBY, Avatar ect) to be added on MAL, when the site rules clearly stated that only Asian animation MADE BY ASIAN STUDIOS are allowed.

Also, that dub example literally made ZERO SENSE as it has completely nothing to do with whether an animation is made by Japan or not.

That's literally every "it should be here!" Argument: someone grasps at straws with absolutely ludicrous logic which doesn't make any sense whatsoever. Like come on. "The dub altered a few things and got an OVA!" So? "It had spinoffs which don't make sense without it!" Again, so? It's MyAnimeList, not "MyPlotlineStartedByAmericanCartoonJapaneseDubList."

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Fortress_Maximus said:

All the animation for The Transformers was made in Japan, and starting with Season 2, South Korea as well. Entirely Asian animation for North American-written scripts.

It's not an American animation in the anime style (if that even is a thing), it's not an American animation with some animation done in Japan (which is outsourcing), it's a multinational co-production. The closest thing to it isn't RWBY or Ghostbusters but something like Cybersix which is allowed on MAL.

Most American animation is animated in Asian countries like South Korea, Japan, Taiwan and the Phillipines. SpongeBob, Simpsons, Family Guy, Avatar - all animated by Asians. Those aren't considered multinational co-productions.

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Dec 21, 2020 8:16 AM

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A better question:

1. Why does anime mean "japanese animation only"?

2. Why does recent American animation suck so bad?

Anime was coined as a less clunky way to refer to Japanese animation. It phased out such cringy phrases as calling them "Japanimation" or as many in the west used to, incorrectly calling anime as "manga". Specifically it was adopted since it's the Japanese term for cartoons.

however, in France they refer to them as a "manga" for the main reason that the French term for cartoons is *also* 'anime'.

One of the good arguments against expanding 'anime' to mean other cartoons is right now we have two categories: anime and cartoons. But imagine if we said, ok, some American cartoons aren't cartoons after all, they're "anime". we now have 3 or 4 categories:

"american anime"
"ameritcan cartoons"
"japanese anime"
... "japanese cartoons"

See, if American cartoons can be strictly divided into "anime" or "cartoon" categories then it's going to be very confusing to also say that "japanese anime" and "japanese cartoons" mean the same thing, as they do now. Any set of "rules" that you can think of for "real" anime is going to exclude a large chunk of actual Japanese cartoons, so you'd have to get ready for total confusion.

for example depending on 'the rules' applied we might say that both Avatar and Naruto are "anime" but My Little Pony and Nichijou are just "cartoons". When people push for Avatar to be classified as anime they list a bunch of traits as being critical for it being anime which also happens to exclude much of what we currently call anime.

for example the main trait people talk about is the ongoing soap-opera like plot of Avatar. That's a trait that it shares with many anime. but does it "make" it an anime? do things that lack that trait not count as anime? What about episodic anime then? For example pretty much any prescriptive Anime/Cartoon divide would put Panty and Stocking on the "Cartoon" side of things. Are we going to tell the Japanese that this one "doesn't count" as a "true anime"? They don't even HAVE the word "cartoon" so they're going to be very confused, but they do know country of origin: so you could say to them "American anime" and they'll know this is specifically referring to what we call a "cartoon" while "Japanese anime" to them would refer specifically to what we call "anime".

Adding another layer of definitions isn't going to help anyone, the only reason people want to do it is because they want their cartoons to sound more "grown up" in the way that comic books are refereed to as "graphic novels", and they've glomped onto the word "anime" as sounding more sophisticated. Well sorry, "anime" already means something else, call them "animated series" instead, or just "animation" try and get that to take off.

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cipheron said:

charliechuckle said:
A better question:

1. Why does anime mean "japanese animation only"?

2. Why does recent American animation suck so bad?

Anime was coined as a less clunky way to refer to Japanese animation. It phased out such cringy phrases as calling them "Japanimation" or as many in the west used to, incorrectly calling anime as "manga". Specifically it was adopted since it's the Japanese term for cartoons.

however, in France they refer to them as a "manga" for the main reason that the French term for cartoons is *also* 'anime'.

One of the good arguments against expanding 'anime' to mean other cartoons is right now we have two categories: anime and cartoons. But imagine if we said, ok, some American cartoons aren't cartoons after all, they're "anime". we now have 3 or 4 categories:

"american anime"
"ameritcan cartoons"
"japanese anime"
... "japanese cartoons"

See, if American cartoons can be strictly divided into "anime" or "cartoon" categories then it's going to be very confusing to also say that "japanese anime" and "japanese cartoons" mean the same thing, as they do now. Any set of "rules" that you can think of for "real" anime is going to exclude a large chunk of actual Japanese cartoons, so you'd have to get ready for total confusion.

for example depending on 'the rules' applied we might say that both Avatar and Naruto are "anime" but My Little Pony and Nichijou are just "cartoons". When people push for Avatar to be classified as anime they list a bunch of traits as being critical for it being anime which also happens to exclude much of what we currently call anime.

for example the main trait people talk about is the ongoing soap-opera like plot of Avatar. That's a trait that it shares with many anime. but does it "make" it an anime? do things that lack that trait not count as anime? What about episodic anime then? For example pretty much any prescriptive Anime/Cartoon divide would put Panty and Stocking on the "Cartoon" side of things. Are we going to tell the Japanese that this one "doesn't count" as a "true anime"? They don't even HAVE the word "cartoon" so they're going to be very confused, but they do know country of origin: so you could say to them "American anime" and they'll know this is specifically referring to what we call a "cartoon" while "Japanese anime" to them would refer specifically to what we call "anime".

Adding another layer of definitions isn't going to help anyone, the only reason people want to do it is because they want their cartoons to sound more "grown up" in the way that comic books are refereed to as "graphic novels", and they've glomped onto the word "anime" as sounding more sophisticated. Well sorry, "anime" already means something else, call them "animated series" instead, or just "animation" try and get that to take off.

^^ This is proof that crack is bad. Easy on the drugs bro!

Cartoons = animation for kids
Anime = animation targeted to older audiences

100% of rated R "cartoons" are not called cartoons for a reason. Get over yourself, you are not God. You don't make the rules.

Even the top search on google disagrees with you: https://screenrant.com/best-r-rated-animated-films/

I will agree that majority of people on MAL believe anime is a racist term to only apply to one race/nation; but I'm not racist and have never judged things based on racism or nationalism, when there is absolutely no rational reason to do so. The real reason Japanese don't use the term "cartoon" is because their language is NOT English. They are using the "English" word "Animation" integrated into their language to explain the future technology that came after their language was created. Animation was a English word first, and it never belonged to the Japanese.

Anime is a shortened version of the world Animation. The Avatar is an anime; but it could be argued that it's a cartoon for kids.

Here is a list of some Japanese Cartoons, that you might want to watch with your kids:
https://bestlivingjapan.com/top-10-japanese-cartoons-children-0-6-years-old/

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@charliechuckle - all your link https://screenrant.com/best-r-rated-animated-films/ says is that Akira is an anime. That link has zero relevance to the discussion.

you're trying to come up with some prescriptive definition of which American shows are "anime" and which shows are "cartoons". Firstly, no two people are even going to agree on what the dividing line is, and even if they did, no two people would agree on exactly which shows fall on each side of the line. The reason it cannot possibly work is that you have to come up with some prescriptive set of traits of "true anime" vs "mere cartoons", and this is always going to include *too many* shows you don't want to add, while excluding *too many* shows you DO want to keep.

You end up with too many shows that don't fit if you took your definition. Is Pokemon to child-like to be a true anime? How about Teen Titans from the other side? How about Panty and Stocking from the Japanese side? Not really an anime now? What about adult-oriented cartoon sitcoms from the USA? They're not for kids, so they're anime now? I'll used King of the Hill as the example here. Cartoon or anime? The point here isn't that your *specific* set of rules is wrong, it's that any conceivable set of rules you come up with would be wrong.

Breaking it down: you're free to call whatever you want whatever you like. But that's not what people are after. They want other people to agree with them, specifically, the people who run anime database sites. But ... the people who are responsible for deciding what goes in want objective criteria, facts not opinions:

1) whether something is "childish" or "just for children" is an opinion not a fact

2) whether an art style is 'anime like" enough to be added is an opinion not a fact

3) episodic vs story-based isn't a defining trait of anime, so saying "real" anime aren't episodic is an opinion, not a fact. It depends which anime the individual likes.

The problem with trying to define "real anime" through some set of traits is that it's prescriptive. It ends up limiting what anime is "allowed" to be, usually based on whatever genre the speaker is into. For example, most arguments are to add Avatar because it's seen as a Dragon-ball-like show, but this is then saying that you have to make something Dragon-ball-like to make "real anime". For someone who grew up in 1980s America however, they'd say it's not a real anime because real anime are Sci-Fi and have giant robots or spaceships in them: that's all Starblazers, Voltron and Robotech stuff.

There are two basic options that would settle the issue:

1) call japanese series anime and non-Japanese series cartoons like we have been

2) just call literally everything anime and get rid of the word "cartoon".

Note they're already getting rid of the word "cartoon" and just calling everything "animated series" now. This solves the issue by itself. There's basically no reason to WANT to call things anime. The whole point of that in the first place is that it conveys extra information: that's it's a japanese cartoon. If we start calling lots of things "anime" routinely then we need to start saying "oh but this is a site for *japanese* anime, specifically". Which defeats the purpose of shortening the term in the first place.

~~~

Well if we're going there I'm going to start calling Mia And Me a CGI Isekai anime:

And Miraculous: Tales of Ladybug & Cat Noir a CGI magical girl anime, since it's basically an updated Sailor Moon:

This stuff definitely counts as anime if we're getting rid of the language-of-origin thing, since there are fully CGI anime such as Knights of Sidonia.

How about the classic idol anime, Jem and the Holograms:

Read the plot on wikipedia, it definitely has enough plot threads going to be called a shoujo anime, and is clearly aimed at older teens.

So by this definition how is Jem and the Holograms not an anime?

I kinda have a hunch that if we keep insisting that girl's series be called anime the people calling for Avatar and Transformers to be added wouldn't be equally supportive.

Personally I was not happy that Transformers was removed, but I understand and accept that the mods would have had a good reason to remove it. There is similar stuff that's *still in* the database - because it's valid via the objectively-written criteria, and they have that so that subjective decision-making doesn't come into it.

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Hi @cipheron , my original argument was that if a Japanese studio almost exclusively did the animation for an otherwise western production, it should be considered anime.

I don't care if Transformers is anime-like or not, I care that it was animated by Toei.
If Jem or any other of the above, had been exclusively animated by a Japanese studio, I would support their addition just as well.

And I don't care if other western cartoons like Avatar, Casltevania and Blood of Zeus are anime-like. If Japanese studios have not been involved in their production, they should not be added.

But I mean exclusively though, right? I mean doing some partial animation here and there just to get some workload off a western studio, should not count. But if the animation of a series has been exclusively handled by a Japanese studio, it should be added.

To strengthen my argument, and correct me if I am wrong, it seems like MAL allows European/Japanese collaborations, such as the Mysterious Cities of Gold, Ulysses 31, the "Once upon a time..." series which is not anime-like at all either. If these are allowed, and good thing that they are, don't you thinnk that American series that had heavy Japanese involvement in their making should be allowed too?

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Well you can watch the credits of the original Transformer series, the directing, story boarding, writing, audio, was all done by Americans.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xRV0RYU2j0

This really is more of an outsourcing job. Kind of the big difference is that in Cities of Gold you have actual Japanese names in the production credits:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGK5fJBAhI8

Including Japanese producers and directors, with both Japanese and French companies listed as executive producers.

The problem with "but Japanese people did the drawing" is that this is too vague. Is Inspector Gadget an anime?

Inspector Gadget (1983 TV series)

After the pilot, the first 64 22 1⁄2-minute episodes were written, designed, storyboarded, and voice-recorded in Toronto, Ontario, Canada at the Nelvana facilities, (which co-produced the series under DiC's supervision), with creative supervision by Jean Chalopin. Bruno Bianchi was the Supervising Director. Most of those episodes were animated in Tokyo, Japan by Tokyo Movie Shinsha, while a few episodes were animated in Taiwan by Cuckoo's Nest Studio, before being finished in post production by DiC and Nelvana.

BTW from Tokyo Movie Shinsha's wikipedia page there are other ones we'd have to consider for anime-inclusion:

Inspector Gadget, The Real Ghostbusters, Rainbow Brite, DuckTales, The New Adventures of Winnie the Pooh, Tiny Toon Adventures, Batman: The Animated Series, Animaniacs, and Spider-Man: The Animated Series.

This one is especially fun, Rainbow Brite:
https://classicanimemuseum.com/2018/04/03/94-rainbow-brite/

Credits:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiwFVo-v3_w

Check it out, Rainbow Brite is more legitimately an anime than Transformers XD

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@cipheron my opinion when it comes to Inspector Gadget is that yes, it is an anime.
A hybrid anime at least.

Anime is not a genre. There are many far too different styles for it to be considered a genre. Take for example Dead Leaves, Cat Soup, Aachi wa Ssipak and all these experimental shorts or those that make use of puppets and claymation but they're all still on MAL because they're made by Japanese.

Anime is a Japanese contraction of the word animation.
So I think everything that Japan animates is anime. I don't care if that's Inspector Gadget as long as a Japanese studio has exclusively handled the animation of it.

What do you have to say about the "Once upon a time..." series?
It is listed on MAL because it is animated by Eiken (otherwise wholly produced by Procidis) but in its Wikipedia article, it is treated as wholly french, Japan barely gets a mention.

If you put it next to Inspector Gadget and asked people which is more anime-like, Once Upon a Time or Inspector Gadget, they would say Inspector Gadget for sure.

Dec 22, 2020 5:36 AM

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Well let me collect the relevant links
https://myanimelist.net/anime/3624/Seimei_no_Kagaku__Micro_Patrol
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Once_Upon_a_Time..._Life

However the ANN link has more production information:
https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=11517

Japanese staff

Director: Tsuneo Komuro
Music: Michel Legrand
Original creator: Albert Barillé
Sound Director: Sadayoshi Fujino
Producer: Hidenori Murata

French Staff:

Director: Albert Barillé
Storyboard:
Aimé Rademacker
Christian Gobaille
François Barbot
Hervé Manac'h
Jean Barbaud
Jean-Pierre Sornin
Philippe Landrot

Editing: Jean Vilain

So this has more relevant information than Wikipedia.

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@cipheron , no actually it says that it was NOT aired on Japanese television but had a VHS release instead.

Here, a copy paste:

Vintage:
1987 (Original Braodcast - France)
1989 ( Arabic )
1991 (Japan VHS Release)

Comment:
Another joint production between France's Procidis and Japan's Eiken. It was not broadcast on TV in Japan, but rather released as an OVA.

The Transformers entry on the same site also features a Japanese staff, including a director (Kozo Morishita) and a Producer (Atsushi Shimizu) and of course a very much larger Japanese stuff (not counting voice actors).
Unlike "Once upon a time" too, the Transformers first seasons were broadcast on Japan by Nippon TV. It was a Japanese/American collaboration right from the beginning and I see no reason at all for it not be included in MAL.

Dec 22, 2020 6:07 AM

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This site doesn't specify that an anime isn't real because it got an OVA release instead of a TV release. You can note that in the guidelines it doesn't specify which medium counts. That's not one of the rules.

The point is that the producing studio had the rights for the release in Japan. Them releasing it in the shops as an OVA isn't specified as a disqualifier.

When it's outsourced then the company who's paying for it sells it to the local networks themselves.

https://tfwiki.net/wiki/The_Transformers_(cartoon)#Japanese_release

Also you can read about the release here.

The broadcast order of the series was significantly reworked, with most of the episodes featuring Skyfire being pushed to the end of the run (presumably owing the character's shaky status as a Bandai toy in Japan). Contrary to what would be sensible, this did not involve correcting any of the chronological errors present in the original order; in fact, it even created some new ones. The pack-in booklet included with the LaserDisc and DVD sets from Pioneer features a "narrative viewing order" list.

Perhaps most notoriously, the episodes were edited before their broadcast in Japan. These edits were made not for content, but for length so that the show could accommodate longer opening and ending sequences. The combined length of the U.S. opening and ending sequences was about 1 minute and 10 seconds. The combined length of the Japanese opening and ending sequences, however, was about 2 minutes and 20 seconds. This resulted in roughly 1 minute and 10 seconds of content being cut from every single episode.

The translation in terms of script and story was faithful in regards to the original English version (the same cannot be said of the translations of Beast Wars and onward). However, the dub was at times rushed and had its own unique errors, primarily in terms of matching the right voices and names to the characters on screen.

So it was a highly re-edited version of the US release that was dubbed almost a year later. It's basically a sloppy re-dub effort to boot. All these things are what tip the scales to "not an anime" since it wasn't designed from the get-go for a Japanese release.

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@cipheron this site? You mean ANN or MAL?
ANN lists both Transformers and "Once upon a time", MAL only the latter but according to its own rules, I think it should list the former too.

There is virtually no difference between the one a French/Japanese production and the other an American/Japanese production.

Dec 22, 2020 6:21 AM

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Yeah, but ANN lists it as Transformers (US TV) which indicates that they're listing it but they're giving it a nod that they don't consider it an actual anime. Maybe they did once, but they came to same conclusion as MAL, except they relabeled it as "not an anime" for that reason.

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=2597

ANN also lists Robotech (US TV) and Voltron (US TV) so they also have other things not considered anime here, because they're just recuts / dubs and mash-ups of various of Japanese series.

However, ANN also doesn't have to deal with a rabid user-base who keep trying to get other things added.

EDIT: here's a search for US TV in ANN
https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/search?q=US+TV

They have Thundercats on there! And Aeon Flux. As far as I can tell ANN says Aeon Flux doesn't even have any production work done in Japan. Some of the animators are listed as being Japanese on IMDB but these are outnumbered by Western names so they're clearly just working in a Western studio.

So something appearing on ANN is inconclusive as to status as an anime: they allow purely Western stuff on there too. But like I said ANN adds things by executive fiat, not based on guidelines, and that's more workable for them since they're a curated encyclopaedia not a social media site. If MAL added Aeon Flux then everyone would come out of the woodwork asking for their favorite purely American stuff to be added.

As for there being someone in charge on the Japanese side of Transformers - do you think that if you hire a studio for outsourcing they *don't* have someone to supervise their workers? Of course they have a chain of command, but that doesn't make it a co-production.

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@cipheron don't edit the posts I already responded to. Make new ones.

Anyway, Transformers editing in Japanese TV does not mean anythng to me. It's just for a character caught in copyright crossfire.
Even a dub is some kind of an edit, after all.

Now on one hand you have a French produced (Procidis), Japanese animated show (Eiken).
On the other hand you have an American produced (Sunbow), Japanese animated show (Toei).
In both shows, it seems like animation was done exclusively by the Japanese studios not just some part of it. Though for Transformers' later seasons, Korean ones (also allowed by MAL).
On both of them you have direction and production by Japanese individuals, on Transformers both Japanese and Americans though.
Oh both of them you have storyboard/characters made by foreigners (Americans for Transformers, French for Once Upon a Time).
Both of their original broadcasts did not feature the Japanese voice acting, this came later.
One aired on Nippon TV a year later and was edited because of copyrights on one certain character, the other just had an OVA release four years later than its original broadcast in France.
Why is one an anime and the other is not? I just don't get it.

Thundercats as far as I know also had Japanese studios involved in their animation. And Aeon Flux had a Korean studio, maybe that's why.
If you see the credits of Aeon Flux, you'll see animation is exclusively handled by Japanese and Korean individuals and the characters of the show also by a Japanese individual.

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removing cross-national productions was always a retarded decision. The movie is literally anime, regardless of where the money came from.

Damolisher said:
Are people still making excuses as to why an American cartoon should be on a website about Japanese cartoons?

This isn't a "maybe" subject. Transformers is an American cartoon outright, and the excuses coming out of the "Nuh uh, it's Japanese because of my frivolous reasoning which doesn't actually change the fact it's American animation!" camp are just sad.

lmao how are these people real

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Nyron said:
removing cross-national productions was always a retarded decision. The movie is literally anime, regardless of where the money came from.

Damolisher said:
Are people still making excuses as to why an American cartoon should be on a website about Japanese cartoons?

This isn't a "maybe" subject. Transformers is an American cartoon outright, and the excuses coming out of the "Nuh uh, it's Japanese because of my frivolous reasoning which doesn't actually change the fact it's American animation!" camp are just sad.

lmao how are these people real

What, you mean informed people who know what we're talking about and aren't so stupid we're calling an American directed and produced cartoon voiced by Americans (or Canadians, or Englishmen, depending) for an American audience distributed originally in America which Japan didn't get until 1989 anime?

Oh darn, how dare I not be a mongoloid?

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Damolisher said:
how dare I be a mongoloid?

very easily, apparently

the database has numerous entries that were produced by a Japanese studio under non-Japanese direction and funding. User: Fortress Maximus already wrote out a logical reply above, so all you're going to get from me is me making fun of you for being an ignorant wilderperson who fetishizes anime yet has no comprehension of how it's made.

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Nyron said:

Damolisher said:
how dare I be a mongoloid?

very easily, apparently

the database has numerous entries that were produced by a Japanese studio under non-Japanese direction and funding. User: Fortress Maximus already wrote out a logical reply above, so all you're going to get from me is me making fun of you for being an ignorant wilderperson who fetishizes anime yet has no comprehension of how it's made.

I mean, I explained to both you and him why you're wrong, but hey. Feel free to continue being an imbecile from an undeserved position on superiority. It isn't my fault you're a retard who doesn't understand what western animation is.

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Nyron said:

Damolisher said:
how dare I be a mongoloid?

very easily, apparently

the database has numerous entries that were produced by a Japanese studio under non-Japanese direction and funding. User: Fortress Maximus already wrote out a logical reply above, so all you're going to get from me is me making fun of you for being an ignorant wilderperson who fetishizes anime yet has no comprehension of how it's made.

Oh,sorry. "LMAO HOW ARE PEOPLE LIKE THIS REAL?"

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Golly gee, that Nyron dickhead went real silent real quick, huh?

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Damolisher said:
Oh for God's sake. It's an American bloody production made by an American studio, and how can a company animate "season five" when there were 3 seasons and a 3 part season four. Those three episodes animated, of course, by Akom. And the "the toys were originally Japanese" has nothing to do with the cartoon. By that token you could make the equally nonsensical and dubious claim the Marvel comic was a manga. Are we gonna call GI Joe an anime too? Same production company.

Hell, by your logic it is, if you check out Henshin Cyborg.

That isn't how it works, and you're reaching.

There is a Season 5, it's just a rebroadcast of older episodes with new intro which reuses scenes from some commercials and The Movie 86, of course those were animated by Toei Animation, so yeah, if you were to compare it, it's similar to the recap episodes and remix movies

Oct 3, 2021 1:20 AM

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