| I have lock townreads on togs/wen/gwen/mishu/yurkin |
Gwendolly said: I still think that yurkin is town, but I'm kind of getting xNeko vibes from him in Shokugeki no Souma where he has a lot of towntells, but they're pretty easily faked since he kiind of hasn't been doing much scumhunting. So I think he's newb!town but I'll re-evaluate closer to endgame if we get there.What do you think of yurkin now? Why do you think he did that? It seems like you have no other choice but to go with what Tenshii has said #469 Gwendolly said: Still, he flipped town. Doesn't that change your reads? Who do you want to lynch and why?Astros was a suspect since D1, as bad as I feel now, but he didnt really help much by saying that he will abstain from votes again. So back then, I didnt mind him getting lynched. Phraze said: ..but there's a godfather, which implies the existence of a cop. And no other cop has come forth and counterclaimed Mishukax. Do you think there's a godfather with no cop? Or do you think there's an actual cop, but he or she hasn't come forth yet?Mish claimed cop but an insane one? I just don't buy it. he's saying Yurkin isn't town too. it clashes with mine and Tenshi's(ur slot) intiial opinion. Fo and Mish are my best options atm, but since Mish might be an informative flip, he gets my vote. if not a lynch, at least useful pressure Mishukax said: Why would the mafia kill yurkin, who hasn't really been doing much?I mainly wanted to not be clear about who I was going to visit. Saying I'll visit myself and actually doing that was a little too scary. See, yurkin says he visited me - he could have set up anything, like kill anyone who visits me. As for why I chose yurkin, I thought mafia might kill them that night. Mishukax said: It's either "you're insane, or the two scum are dead men walking" which I am fine with. Still, I have absolutely no reason why you were allowed to live and were not roleblocked, seeing that their godfather has already flipped. It's very confusing.With both of my results coming as non-town, and assuming there is no role in this game than can alter my results, I'm starting to feel like Fo and yurkin are both town, and I am Insane. I just don't see myself catching two non-towns that swiftly, lol. Mishukax said: You think he bussed the heck out of Sithis D1? Can you quote posts that make you think he did this?As for Togs, just the gut. I especially didn't like the way he put me in the town basket right after Sithis's lynch. |
| In the world where Fo/yurkin are town and Mishukax is the cop and checked them as town, why the heck was Mishukax not roleblocked or killed that Night, when their godfather is dead? Why did the mafia take a spin on killing Suzune-chan? This gamestate is highly confusing. |
SoulEaterQUEEN said: 💣 Lord_Sithis 💣 (3) // 🔪Togs, Phraze, wen294🔪 Tenshii_ (2) //🔪Gwendolly, Sukiya🔪 wen294 (2) // 🔪Yurkin, Tenshii_🔪 Togs (2) // 🔪Holocaster, Mishukax🔪 Fo (1) // 🔪 logic340🔪 Mishukax (1) // 🔪Lord_Sithis🔪 Sukiya (1) // 🔪Fo🔪 🚩Not Voting🚩: ⚔ Astros Jackrito said: 💣Astros💣 (3) // 🔪Gwendolly,wen294,Togs🔪 Fo (2) // 🔪Phraze, Mishukax🔪 Holocaster (1) // 🔪Crossbell🔪 Mishukax (1) // 🔪Fo🔪 🚩Not Voting🚩: ⚔ Astros, , Holocaster, Suzune-chan, yurkin ⚔ WHAT ARE THESE VOTE COUNTS. |
Crossbell said: In the world where Fo/yurkin are town and Mishukax is the cop and checked them as town, why the heck was Mishukax not roleblocked or killed that Night, when their godfather is dead? Good question! It just reeks scum! But I feel like its too much of an easy answer xD |
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Gwendolly said: Everyone (?) checked in while I was gone and nobody countered his claim. ^^;What happened there? What makes you believe Mishu is town? |
Crossbell said: You continue to underwhelm.In the world where Fo/yurkin are town and Mishukax is the cop and checked them as town, why the heck was Mishukax not roleblocked or killed that Night, when their godfather is dead? Why did the mafia take a spin on killing Suzune-chan? This gamestate is highly confusing. |
| Mishu not getting blocked tells us something! That there's reason for them to not be afraid of his results. |
| Vote wen294 I'm going to assume I live in an Occam's Razor world, and that the cop checks on Fo/yurkin can be trusted. If so, then this gamestate gets narrowed down to: I have behavioral townreads on Gwen and Togs, so the two scum are some combination of: Phraze Holocaster wen294 Gun to my head the team is Holo/wen/Sithis? This is why I hate playing bastard setup games; information flows freely but it may be unreliable, which really kills my way of analyzing things. |
Fo said: Underwhelm is what I do best.You continue to underwhelm. Fo said: The godfather has already flipped, though?Mishu not getting blocked tells us something! That there's reason for them to not be afraid of his results. Do you think the mafia have an Illusionist or whatever slaughtered my results in Pirates Mafia? |
| Also, Fo, I still need your paper trail on your Holo read. Your townread of wen based on your scumread on me is flaccid. |
Crossbell said: @Holocaster: If you think that lynching on Day 1 is good, then why was your vote on Togs the entire Day 1 phase? If you thought it should have been me or wen, then why did you not move your vote to support that fact? In post 335, you said that Togs was coming off as townish; why is he scummy right now? Can you give me some insight into how you approached your read on Togs? Why is Tenshii scum when he was the counterwagon to Sithis? Why is Phraze scum, when she voted Sithis early in the game?. I have literately explained every single one of these questions already @@ |
| @Crossbell I'm still waiting on your explanation of why you voted for me right after you said you thought I was town. |
Holocaster said: Requote or re-link them to me, please?I have literately explained every single one of these questions already @@ Holocaster said: I wanted a lynch, and you were one of the wagons Yesterday. You also defended Sithis which, even though I found your posts to be tonally townie, gave this lingering feel of paranoia in my mind. I voted you to consolidate and make sure we could get a lynch.@Crossbell I'm still waiting on your explanation of why you voted for me right after you said you thought I was town. |
Crossbell said: I wanted a lynch, and you were one of the wagons Yesterday. You also defended Sithis which, even though I found your posts to be tonally townie, gave this lingering feel of paranoia in my mind. I voted you to consolidate and make sure we could get a lynch. How was I a wagon? Only Togs had voted for me before and you happened to right after him. The only difference is Togs changed his vote. |
| Oops. I misspoke; you weren't really a wagon. I was basically sheeping Togs there at the end. |
Crossbell said: Oops. I misspoke; you weren't really a wagon. I was basically sheeping Togs there at the end. So you decide to sheep someone, even though you stated a few posts before that you thought I was town? Why is that? Also I'll link you my answers to your questions in a second. |
Holocaster said: Because I stated before:Crossbell said: Oops. I misspoke; you weren't really a wagon. I was basically sheeping Togs there at the end. So you decide to sheep someone, even though you stated a few posts before that you thought I was town? Why is that? Crossbell said: Mod: Vote count? I don't really want to lynch Holo but her scumreads are very confusing. I only voted you because I didn't really know what the vote count was, and I wanted to secure the lynch. |
| That EoD was very chaotic. |
Crossbell said: I'm going to assume I live in an Occam's Razor world, and that the cop checks on Fo/yurkin can be trusted. If so, then this gamestate gets narrowed down to: What does Occam's Razor mean and why would getting non-town as a result on Fo and Yurkin make them town if you trust the results? |
Crossbell said: He got a non-town result on town.Do you think the mafia have an Illusionist or whatever slaughtered my results in Pirates Mafia? Crossbell said: There isn't really a paper trail. They made a town-post, coasted mad hard, then started making scum posts.Also, Fo, I still need your paper trail on your Holo read. Your townread of wen based on your scumread on me is flaccid. And did you just assume why I'm voting you? |
| vote: Holocaster The above could be scum/scum interacting but meh. Holo's flail there looks bad. |
| Occam's Razor means "among competing hypotheses, pick the one that makes the fewest assumptions". In mafia terms, it means "pick the situation that is the most likely". Like, is it possible that Mishukax is sane and he copped the final two scum? Yes, but in that case the scum are basically dead men walking, and the chances of Mishukax copping two scum are pretty low. I think it's more likely that he is insane and copped two town. |
🏯🎆 Vote Count 3.1 🏯🎆 💣 Mishukax 💣 (1) // 🔪Phraze🔪 💣 Phraze 💣 (1) // 🔪wen294🔪 💣Holocaster💣l (1) // 🔪Fo🔪 💣Gwendolly💣 (1) // 🔪Mishukax🔪 💣 wen294 💣 (1) // 🔪Crossbell🔪 🚩Not Voting🚩: ⚔ Gwendolly, Holocaster, , Togs, Yurkin ⚔ |
Crossbell said: Occam's Razor means "among competing hypotheses, pick the one that makes the fewest assumptions". In mafia terms, it means "pick the situation that is the most likely". Like, is it possible that Mishukax is sane and he copped the final two scum? Yes, but in that case the scum are basically dead men walking, and the chances of Mishukax copping two scum are pretty low. I think it's more likely that he is insane and copped two town. I love how you completly disregard miller and third party here. I mean how is that not making assumptions? |
wen294 said: I love how you completly disregard miller and third party here. I mean how is that not making assumptions? 1. If there's a miller, they should have instantly claimed Day 1. 2. I don't care about any third party players. The only thing I care about is lynching mafia. Jackrito said: This vote count haunts me in my dreams.💣 Mishukax 💣 (1) // 🔪Phraze🔪 💣 Phraze 💣 (1) // 🔪wen294🔪 💣Holocaster💣l (1) // 🔪Fo🔪 💣Gwendolly💣 (1) // 🔪Mishukax🔪 💣 wen294 💣 (1) // 🔪Crossbell🔪 🚩Not Voting🚩: ⚔ Gwendolly, Holocaster, , Togs, Yurkin ⚔ We should really get some wagons going. Here: Unvote, vote Holocaster Also everyone who isn't voting should place a vote and reasoning as to why. |
| Yea pretty much scattered votes, considering its D3 |
| <3 |
Crossbell said: Gwendolly said: I still think that yurkin is town, but I'm kind of getting xNeko vibes from him in Shokugeki no Souma where he has a lot of towntells, but they're pretty easily faked since he kiind of hasn't been doing much scumhunting. So I think he's newb!town but I'll re-evaluate closer to endgame if we get there.What do you think of yurkin now? Why do you think he did that? It seems like you have no other choice but to go with what Tenshii has said #469 Who is xNeko? A User? Gwendolly said: Still, he flipped town. Doesn't that change your reads? Who do you want to lynch and why?Astros was a suspect since D1, as bad as I feel now, but he didnt really help much by saying that he will abstain from votes again. So back then, I didnt mind him getting lynched. It doesnt change my reads, since I always accused him as an outsider/third party. Mishukax said: Talking bout dejavus; this is getting me Conquerer dejavu, where he promisde to do something last night, but didnt or did something else/safe instead. I know that no one has counterclaimed, but I still have a wary feeling.Remove your votes on me, if you keep me alive, I will at least have to possibility of figuring out whether I'm Insane or not, and so whether Fo is non-town or not. Crossbell said: It's either "you're insane, or the two scum are dead men walking" which I am fine with. Still, I have absolutely no reason why you were allowed to live and were not roleblocked, seeing that their godfather has already flipped. It's very confusing. Dont play that "confusing" card again, the last time you were confused you knew damn well what was going on. |
| <3 |
| Vote: Mishukax Won't change vote until you answer my/our questions D: You better be here before phase change <.< Also can you explain again why you voted for Togs on D1? But for stupid people please, because I am about to pass out. I cant find anything proper besides this: Mishukax said: The main reason I personally removed my vote from Sithis, was indeed because the lynch was going too smoothly. |
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| Still wary of crossbell but #678 is a post after my own hert. Gwen, mishu is very likely town. For mechanical reasons, I agree that their play has left me confused at best at points. But most of that can be chalked up to them having a guilty on me; that was probably mostly the reason why I was convinced they were scum in hindsight. Always a weird thing when you're confscum ~kinda~ from someone else's pov as town. |
| Do we have 1 day left? or 16 minutes? Allthough must explain why everyone is so calm right now. |
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| Unvote Just in case Good night. |
| <3 |
| Unvote. Vote: Holocaster most informative flip: Cross negative. Fo negative. Gwen neutral. D4 should be interesting, got a few flip connections~ @Crossbell the more ur confused the more I'm starting to doubt u.... lol. u got a point that Mish won't claim cop without cc, but maybe the cop is also keeping quiet for now. for me to figure u out, Mish will need to flip, or vice versa. but Holo looks like a better target atm. |
| Vote: Crossbell You sheeping on me right after explaining how you thought I was town is suspicious and you didn't give me good enough explanation. When I flip town, I encourage you all to look better into who has voted for me and actually look into those that lynched Astros. I definitely think there are scum on that train, it was all done too last minute. And there definitely will be scum on my train that's forming. Don't forget that 5 is majority. I'll be on before phase change tomorrow so I'll talk about those who lynched Astros then. Now I have to go to sleep since I work early in the morning. I encourage everyone to go back and actually read through the thread, not just the last couple of pages. Goodnight. |
| seriously... x.x this is Rubiks Cube yesss, human Rubiks Cube~ I'm gonna start digging. |
| Eh. Holo might be town. |
| Unvote Give me a couple of minutes to re-evaluate the gamestate. |
| I'm here, backreading. |
| vote: Togs The last minute vote for Astros felt weird; my gut feeling; Knowing Higurashi Fo and Togs being role lover doesn't mean you cant be his yandere/yangire lover as well. |
Phraze said: Why are you voting for players based of how much INFORMATION they provide? Shouldn't you be voting people based off of if they're scum or not?most informative flip: Cross negative. Fo negative. Gwen neutral Phraze said: I want to go into Day 4 with two scum dead. Why, pray tell, are you emphasizing "flip connections" over dead scum bodies?D4 should be interesting, got a few flip connections~ Phraze said: "maybe the cop is keeping quiet for now" - WHY WOULD THE COP STAY QUIET. IF THE COP CLAIMS RIGHT NOW, WE GET A DEAD SCUM AND TWO RESULTS.the more ur confused the more I'm starting to doubt u.... lol. u got a point that Mish won't claim cop without cc, but maybe the cop is also keeping quiet for now. for me to figure u out, Mish will need to flip, or vice versa. but Holo looks like a better target atm. Like, if there's a cop that's not Mishukax and for god knows why doesn't CC here.. that'd be a pretty suboptimal play. Phraze said: Togs made the Sithis wagon happen. Do you think he is bussing his scumbuddy? Do you want Fo dead?Unvote. Vote: Togs @Togs sorry but I felt u were scum for voting Astros last min, and u weren't strong about Sithis either. weak reading again, but it's the most I get out of these sudden changes. I'll see how to clear my opinion of that. but for now, my vote's on u. yurkin said: What's the mafia mindset for Togs's last-minute vote being Astros? What do you think of Togs pushing Sithis all Day on Day 1?vote: Togs The last minute vote for Astros felt weird; my gut feeling; Knowing Higurashi Fo and Togs being role lover doesn't mean you cant be his yandere/yangire lover as well. I'll be rereading Day 1 again tomorrow, but I'll keep my vote on wen since he's the only person I remain actively convinced is scum. Vote wen294 |
Togs said: You aren't going to pull a me here, are you?I'm here, backreading. |
| I still am not familiar with words like sheeping @Holocaster 1. how did town turn to neutral for Astros? 2. what did I do to deserve the nearscum read? I even elaborated on why I and Logic vetoed Sithis. 3. Tenshi's only problem was townreading Yurkin too early. why was his slot in the nearscum read? if anything it should've been neutral, and Cross hasn't done anything to make it more negative. I have a problem reading everyone since Yurkin, Astros and Tenshi are new, could be same for u too. so Tenshi in nearscum and Yurkin in town for ur reads is just confusing, and scummy? but u seem sincere so I'm thrown off. @Crossbell 1. Holo, Fo, Togs are my suspects from D2. Holo is soo contradictory, Fo is clear, so Togs is next. I have a readlist somewhere back, will pull it out 2. flip as scum or town, I will find leads for the next one. scum is way more informative tho 3. who knows, maybe the cop is new to being a cop? we have few new players afterall. I also personally prefer not to roleclaim 4. Togs couldn't go against mine or Logic's reasoning to vote Sithis. it was weak, but he was looking for other options. and as I mentioned in one of my 'negative' reads, he has been 'chummy' to everyone's opinions. @Togs found ur post #582 (and for the love of forums, keep the quote walls down ~.~) 1. sinister plan can be real. Fo's alive now so I'm giving u the benefit of doubt. 2. u never said Fo was town, but u didn't want him lynched. if he was scum, u would push the lynch even if, let's say, u and him are connected. if u both are connected, pray tell how we're able to lynch any of u two at all? unless ofc, the way is to lynch u first. |
🏯🎆 Vote Count 3.2 🏯🎆 💣Togs💣 (2) // 🔪Phraze,Yurkin🔪 Phraze (1) // 🔪wen294🔪 Holocaster (1) // 🔪Fo,🔪 Gwendolly (1) // 🔪Mishukax🔪 Crossbell (1) // 🔪Holocaster🔪 wen294 (1) // 🔪Crossbell🔪 🚩Not Voting🚩: ⚔ Gwendolly, Togs, ⚔ |
| #415 Suzune's readlist #345 Logic's readlist @Gwendolly Suzune read u as scum. what do u think of it, now that she's flipped town. @yurkin both of them read u as town, what do u think of it. @wen294 saw the reason u vote for me. my bad, saw Wen/Cross vote wrongly. [off-game comment: I'm a leftie-turned-rightie, so my definition of left/right get confused alot] -------- Crossbell said: good eyeThe Astros/Sithis interaction, if I squint, do not feel like they come from buddies. excerpt from Astros #502 Wen and Gwen have consistently only challenged reads from what I've seen. They ask questions every so often and stated their opinions, but beyond that I don't feel they've contributed much aside from the random vote or pressure. Which, I'm not much worried about as they seem baseless or supported by weak reasons. But, I am worried about is someone tipping the scales near the end of the voting phase in order to lynch a town. Fo said: I have lock townreads on togs/wen/gwen/mishu/yurkin @Fo if Astros said this, isn't it wrong to townread Togs? being loverized doesn't mean he's town |
Crossbell said: wen294 said: I love how you completly disregard miller and third party here. I mean how is that not making assumptions? 1. If there's a miller, they should have instantly claimed Day 1. 2. I don't care about any third party players. The only thing I care about is lynching mafia. 1. I've never in my life seen a miller claim D1 so i think it's strange for you just to assume that people will actually do that. Especially considering there are new people in the game. 2. So let me get this straight, just because you don't really want to find third party you just assume that they don't exist?!? This has got to be one of the most flawed theories i've seen yet. So when is this going to happen? Crossbell said: I'll be rereading Day 1 again tomorrow, but I'll keep my vote on wen since he's the only person I remain actively convinced is scum. Vote wen294 I mean come on, you have yet to give any reasoning behind your scum read on me. So far the only thing you've been doing is constantly shading me with saying that you scum read me, then you vote for me and you switch last minute anyway. yurkin said: vote: Togs The last minute vote for Astros felt weird; my gut feeling; Knowing Higurashi Fo and Togs being role lover doesn't mean you cant be his yandere/yangire lover as well. As far as i'm aware of, Yandere and Yangire lovers only work in one way. Kinda like the Toko x Byakuya in the last bastard Danganronpa game. Toko dies if Byakuya dies but Byakuya doesn't die if Toko dies. Considering this and the fact that both of them said that they were lovers leads me to think that that isn't the case. As far as Togs' EoD2 voting is concerned, it seems weird at first but it's actually somewhat logical when you think about it. Fo had 2 votes, if the vote count ended with 2-2-2 Fo could've been lynched and that'd mean he would die as well. He tried to close to vote on mishu, who claimed. Then afterwards cross changed vote to holo making it 2-2-1. The only way to prevent it from being a tie is to vote for astros. I can see the self-preserving behaviour for both scum and town so in this regard i don't think it's very telling. If the same happened when Fo wasn't one of the candidates it'd be extremely scummy tho. Gwendolly said: That's what we have a D3 timer for ;)Do we have 1 day left? or 16 minutes? Allthough must explain why everyone is so calm right now. |
| Oh and i forgot: Unvote Cross, if you're not going to come with valid reasoning i will vote for you. Oh and i also doubt that Mishu is scum fake claiming cop, he wouldn't say he got non-town as a result twice in a row, that's too suspicious. |
| I like wen's last couple posts. Togs isn't getting lynched today. |
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