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| Poor Leon. At least he got his armor back, even though it happened a lot sooner than I expected. The character development is kind of weak, imo. Alfonso's previous armor appears out of nowhere...'kay. Say, is Lara really dead? I'm having a hard time believing it. Oh, and Mendoza's alive! DUN DUN DUUUUUN! Why am I not surprised! |
| Goddammit Lara's actually dead, I get that it's suppose to be a plot point to progress Leon's character but booooo. So netherless Leon is smart enough to stand on his on feet now. Trauma should be accepted to acheive a better self. Leon now has a new motivation to fight now. To protect instead out of resentment, good for him. Also AOTY |
| My life is boring cause I'm boring If you're not at school what can you do, you stare at a screen of bright pixels |
| Probably the best episode so far, and, kinda glad they didn't do a asspull to save Lara, even tho I thought she'd live, like Mendoza did. On the other hand, I'm glad Leon got break loose from the chains of revenge and hatred and finally mature; he's quite more likable character now than in the previous cour. Also, see, Alfonso was not power hungry, he gave back Garo to Leon. That was unneeded hate for Alfonso, plus he acted like a true leader in a dire situation. |
seujair31 said: JizzyHitler said: We see like....her shoulders and thats it. Also to the people who say herman never did anything to help leon, bullshit, He spent the entire first cour trying to show leon the good in people as well as trying to get him to learn the value of cooling off and having fun all of which leon always threw away, yeah herman went around sleeping with chicks, you know why? Cause in that line of work if you dont cool off you will end up consumed by your duty, this was the thing leon never managed to learn and caused him to fall into the despair he did. that beautiful comment, then sleep with married people, and prostitute, is to develop the character, and growth is noticed that you're no father, this is your description of a teenager, parents have responsibility, and should gift giving is good examples to their children, and helping them in good times and bad. When you are a parent you will intender. No matter the line, or work, the duty of a father is a good example, and earn the respect of the child, and spend money on prostitutes, and sleeping with married women, only serves as a bad example, you are so ridiculous attitudes away from the children of parents. The only children respect parents when the parents are people of property, not a bum. Your comment is typical of adolescence, you do not know the world. Leon just grew and matured, when she found a real family, who gave him attention, and good examples, such as the family of Lara made for the first time Leon can enjoy a life with a real family. With people of character, and with love. For the first time we could see Leon smiling, having fun, and growing. So police, soldiers, and Doctors are forced to sleep with prostitutes, not to be consumed by their duty. Raphael was not a slob like Herman, and was not consumed by his duty, he died with honor, I promise that Raphael was the father of Leon would not reach the critical point of the episode 12, and never leave the child when he precissase more. It's just look like Raphael is considerate of Afonso, treating with respect, and considering as a child, In no time we see Raphael, telling Alfonso sleeping with prostitutes and women, married not to be consumed by duty. Shut up already. Anyway, I like where this anime is going. Lara's death caught me by surprise but it was necessary for plot development. |
CG said: Name one Horror Alfonso failed to defeat as the Golden Knight, then. Going extra mile also counts, y'know, especially when you try to protect something that's fuzzily defined (and "people" are that, they're everywhere, often nameless, faceless, yet living, and not only ones that're dear to Leon) You were referring to Alfonso as a "newbie" when he actually shows more maturity and commitment than Leon at every turn, even in this ep's battle, hence my disagreeing with that. Does those horrors had a name? Leon had much more experience than Alfonso. And What is the word "Newbie" anyway? Go read some dictionary. Lastly Stop being butt hurt about Leon taking back the Golden Armor. He owned it on the first place. Alfonso just STOLE IT. Xenlai said: Anyway, I like where this anime is going. Lara's death caught me by surprise but it was necessary for plot development. Screw that Development Plot! |
| Haters always gonna hate. |
Rebelhero said: Best episode in a long time. Which is really saying something, cause there hasnt really been a BAD episode. I'm so bummed about Laura though... I really liked her! This is the ONE time I hope some Voodoo bullshit happens that brings her back. Id like a happy ending for Leon and German. They have both lost so much. Well we haven't seen the finished grave, so anything is possible? Mendoza is still alive, so who knows? |
| Damn that fight was beast !!! not surprised Leon destroyed the prince. Leon been swinging swords since he was born after all |
| That sword fight was just wow. Best I've seen in a while. For some reason, I think the reward for pairing up with Mendoza is reviving someone. Maybe thats why German is going along with the order(to revive Anna of course). |
| Great episode! Leon got his armor back and join forces again with Alfonso. While Leon was making a funeral for Lara-chan, he swear to kill all the Horrors using all straight accumulated... |
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| Ow great episode, the storyline finally returned to the central plot, but I'm still not convinced of Lara's death, if had someone who did not deserve to die was she Great fight between Leon and Alfonso, Leon left the flames of vingaça, but I think he would be better as a solo fighter, who got to use the power of the flame to fight the Horrors, and only later on got to golden armor again Well, I'm curious to see the development of the story now that an enemy can come back .. |
| Still crying for Lara-chan. :'( Damn, her death were sad. And now they make it worse by having her in the ending. And, damn that girl were very like Lara. And when he cried, damn it were sad. :( Anyways, the fight between Alfsano & Leon were actually very good indeed. And damn, that cliffhanger in the end. I knew Mendoza were still alive. That bastard. The only remaining thing is why would German.san help him? Thisis too fishy to be true. ^^ |
Rayzer said: Leon really gave Alfonso a hard time huh? It's good he got the Golden Armor again. Because Alfonso was such a NEWBIE. German and Ximena really done it! (That scene was kinda out f place) I wonder why the "Watch Dog Center" ordered Herman to help Mendoza? I guess Mendoza was back being a Makai Alchemist now. (Had woken up like Leon) [/url] what is this??? why is Lara on the front page if she got killed already? maybe she will arise as a horror, LOL |
Aleskar said: I still dont get it why Lara is on the Season 2 Promo Poster. I mean if she is dead for sure what is the points in promoting her? I Really hope for a miracle for LeonXLara :/ maybe she will come back as a horror. who knows.^^ |
| Just caught up today, what a ride. I wasn't too impressed with the early episodes of this show, but damn did it not improve exponentially. As sad as it is that Lara is dead, this episode was awesome. The pacing in the last couple of episodes has been pretty much impeccable. Great character development all around. Seeing the preview for episode 19, I hope Ema isn't going to die. Seems like some deathflags were raised there. Herman is doing some shady business, hopefully we can get to the bottom of what exactly is going on between Mendoza and Watchdog. |
| That fighting scene between Leon & Alfonso was unbelievable. Fluid animation, great choreography, nicely executed overall. If only all the action scenes were hand drawn & fluid just like that. Despite how great this episode was, there were some things that bothered me. First, I did not really get how Leon got his resolve. Was it because he killed that black thingy? What's that exactly? Was that supposed to be metaphorical or something? I do not buy the fact that Leon got his resolve just like that. Last thing, how did Leon defeat Alfonso? Leon had not been training for such a long time but he successfully defeated Alfonso? With what? His willpower? Or the power of love? I hope we will get some kind of explanation for those.(the 2nd one probably will not get answered/explained) |
| I like anime. |
| Maybe Leon can finally move on after that incident with Lara. I mean, it was hard but still, he needs to look at the future more. Herman and Ximena huh. That wasn't really surprising to say the least. That was an awesome duel. Best one I've seen in weeks. Leon is back with GARO. Alfonso is back with his first armor. Now everyone's happy until Herman said something he shouldn't. |
ParaParaJMo said: It's just that Leon finally understands what it means to be a Makai Knight. He was only solely motivated by revenge when a Makai Knight's duty is to protect humans and never harm them no matter what. Leon, especially in the lost soul mode before he lost his armor, completely made him unworthy. His interaction with Lara and losing her made him realize what those duties are. I wouldn't say Leon "defeated" Alfonso, he just went with him to prove in a man-to-man duel that he wasn't motivated by personal gain or rage and that he was fighting for the true cause of Makai Knights. Makai Knights are trained very early to have the skills they are (Alfonso was trained very late but desperate times require desperate measures). Think of it like the Jedi Order in Star Wars where even Anakin was "too old" to start the training so Leon's skills being trained for such a long time and his battle experience was always there. There are stories of old guys who served in the military and were out for 5-10 years and their training and experience (despite being out of the service for years) were used to diffuse a situation. Like in this bus hijacking, a 70 year old veteran broke the neck of a high jacker who used his training and experience. I don't think Leon was ever out of fighting shape. His skills are always going to be there. Alfonso on the other hand had the will and training in sword fighting (but not in handling soul metal) but he didn't have the experience of being a Makai Knight that Leon had. I am assuming most Makai Knights "come of age" between 15 and 18. Leon is 17 (while Alfonso is 20) so at that age to bear the title of the strongest of all Makai Knights is too much for someone as old as Leon to bear probably. I understand, but how come he suddenly made up his mind after Lara died? The anime made it like it's about revenge all over again yet Leon does not want revenge at all. A bit confusing. And so far it just makes Lara's death unimportant & just for the drama's sake. But the thing is, the anime makes it like Alfonso & Leon are in the same level of skills all this time. There's no indication that Leon is stronger than Alfonso. So when Leon "defeated" Alfonso after a long time without training was pretty weird. Please do not be that"but there's a case where someone can do that" kind of person. That's possible, but that's one in a million kind of thing. And a good narrative is not the one that meddling with "that's possible, but absolutely unlikely" territory. |
| I like anime. |
| Not sure if anyone noticed this, but during the fight scene... Btw I have been wondering since the beginning of the anime why don't they armor up instantly? They fight a bit then do it? Mod Edit: Please use spoiler tags for large images. |
LunaMar 12, 2015 4:26 AM
| In a way I was kind of hoping Leon would develop the ability to control horror powers or something cool but I guess that would have been pushing it too far. Good episode, look forward to next weeks! :) |
| Garo's back in full awesome mode and I'm giddy to see what it'll do next. The beginning of the 2nd half had me thinking the show was suddenly lacking in direction but that last few episodes put that worry to rest. Glad to see this series back in top form |
| We're more of a back on track with the plot with Mendoza again! |
| Episode that keeps all too well the expectations created earlier, is the beginning of a new phase, now we have proof that certify. Narration enjoyable to follow, engaging at different stages; German does not disprove his reputation, LOL! Drawings and excellent animations, CG valid, very beautiful soundtrack. However, the question that Lara is dead still does not fade from my mind, because I saw the key visual of the second season and I noticed that even there, she is present. |
| Himera's pussy power wasn't enough to keep Herman, lol. AlexTheRiot said: Now that is how you choreograph/animate a sword fight, sweet jesus that was beautiful. This. seujair31 said: As usual the bum Herman, breaks the mood of the anime, with their stupid scenes of fan service, the episode were like so good, with several scenes of action, even back to the fan service Bum Hentai Herman, these ridculas scenes spoil the anime I do not know how there are people who like that disgusting garbage Herman, He is a father pessimo, negligent, and now this shit puts another child in the world, it is not meant to be a father is garbage, shit, he's nothing but a bum bastard, sleeping with prostitutes and married women, is now rolling this backpack, which was pregnant, another child to be overlooked, and thrown into the world without care and responsibility. I hope this shit Herman has a sad death, which is quartered, and has both eyes bored. I hate parents who neglect their children, not giving education and love and support. This kind of slob like Herman, are preferred the juvenile court, to take custody of the children. I'd rather be orphaned, and dying than having a father garbage as Herman. Herman he only appears in fanservice scenes when thers need it most, this bum ta sleeping with a whore. Poor Himena, showed that it is an easy woman, a whore, and gave a damn pimp, will now be more of the idiocies of Herman, cheating on her in all episodes seujair31 said: jose21 said: If that happens, it may be the end of the Makai Knights. I mean, with him dead, Lara dead and Alfonso gay for the golden armor whose children will be the next Makai knights.... No wonder he got busy this episode with Ximena, hopefully she'll have twins....LOL A garbage people like Herman, a totally ridiculous Father, do not deserve to have any more children. He deserves death by neglecting his son, and slept with prostitute and married women, rather than trying to be a father, and help your child in the time he needed, he was sleeping with a whore. Put a child in the world is no joke of fanservice Hentai, is a thing would be, and a bum, miserable, as Herman, has no responsibility to at least try to be a father Pat_To_Do-List said: ParaParaJMo said: It's just that Leon finally understands what it means to be a Makai Knight. He was only solely motivated by revenge when a Makai Knight's duty is to protect humans and never harm them no matter what. Leon, especially in the lost soul mode before he lost his armor, completely made him unworthy. His interaction with Lara and losing her made him realize what those duties are. I wouldn't say Leon "defeated" Alfonso, he just went with him to prove in a man-to-man duel that he wasn't motivated by personal gain or rage and that he was fighting for the true cause of Makai Knights. Makai Knights are trained very early to have the skills they are (Alfonso was trained very late but desperate times require desperate measures). Think of it like the Jedi Order in Star Wars where even Anakin was "too old" to start the training so Leon's skills being trained for such a long time and his battle experience was always there. There are stories of old guys who served in the military and were out for 5-10 years and their training and experience (despite being out of the service for years) were used to diffuse a situation. Like in this bus hijacking, a 70 year old veteran broke the neck of a high jacker who used his training and experience. I don't think Leon was ever out of fighting shape. His skills are always going to be there. Alfonso on the other hand had the will and training in sword fighting (but not in handling soul metal) but he didn't have the experience of being a Makai Knight that Leon had. I am assuming most Makai Knights "come of age" between 15 and 18. Leon is 17 (while Alfonso is 20) so at that age to bear the title of the strongest of all Makai Knights is too much for someone as old as Leon to bear probably. I understand, but how come he suddenly made up his mind after Lara died? The anime made it like it's about revenge all over again yet Leon does not want revenge at all. A bit confusing. And so far it just makes Lara's death unimportant & just for the drama's sake. But the thing is, the anime makes it like Alfonso & Leon are in the same level of skills all this time. There's no indication that Leon is stronger than Alfonso. So when Leon "defeated" Alfonso after a long time without training was pretty weird. Please do not be that"but there's a case where someone can do that" kind of person. That's possible, but that's one in a million kind of thing. And a good narrative is not the one that meddling with "that's possible, but absolutely unlikely" territory. I really fail to understand this "how he defeated Alfonso" questioning you and others are giving. Who said anything about defeating anyway? It wasn't a fight to determine a winner? It was a fight to determine intentions and way. For all we know there was no winner. Who won was irrelevant. Also this "Leon was out of training" is kind of bullshit. The guy was training his whole life. . A sword is something he knows how to handle very well, he grew up with the bloody thing and is not like he stopped using a sword for a decade or two or something like that. He probably just spend a few months there at most. You don't suddenly lose your skill over something something like that, especially if you grew with it. Don't be ridiculous. |
MonadMar 11, 2015 5:09 PM
| I haven't rewatched a fight scene that many times since Sword of the Stranger. That duel is definitely going down among my top choreographed battles. What's more, the emotions felt in that fight were unbelievable. Alfonso is trying to prove that Leon is worthy of becoming a knight again and Leon is doing all he can to honor and protect what made Lara shine so brilliantly to him. Neither could afford to hold back and risked their lives to see their resolves through. It's just so mind boggling how MAPPA literally just popped up on the map-pa out of nowhere and is delivering awesomeness without fail. |
| god even a couple months later i cant get over how great this episode was, like not even just with the fight which was 10/10 stuff but just in general the character development expressed in this episode was just perfect, i think this episode and the final episode have to be my favorites in the series though the final ep gets a bit of a upper hand cause of the emotional punches it contains. Fuck i miss this show |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
| Wow, that was a stunning episode. Just yesterday I watched Sword of the Stranger and now watching this episode today I might say that the fight scene between Leon and Alfonso isn't that far away. What a choreography, what an incredible ost. |
Pat_To_Do-List said: Well, he was able to make up his mind precisely because Lara was so important to him. Her death drove him into a corner like no other event ever did before (not even Mendoza's mind rape). That's why he was finally forced to face all those negative feelings he'd been constantly failing to deal with since the beginning of the show: either he let the anger and hatred consume him once and for all (which strongly implies turning into a Horror, as shown by the glowing markings that started appearing on his body), or he got his shit together and finally embraced his role as a Makai Knight.ParaParaJMo said: It's just that Leon finally understands what it means to be a Makai Knight. He was only solely motivated by revenge when a Makai Knight's duty is to protect humans and never harm them no matter what. Leon, especially in the lost soul mode before he lost his armor, completely made him unworthy. His interaction with Lara and losing her made him realize what those duties are. I wouldn't say Leon "defeated" Alfonso, he just went with him to prove in a man-to-man duel that he wasn't motivated by personal gain or rage and that he was fighting for the true cause of Makai Knights. Makai Knights are trained very early to have the skills they are (Alfonso was trained very late but desperate times require desperate measures). Think of it like the Jedi Order in Star Wars where even Anakin was "too old" to start the training so Leon's skills being trained for such a long time and his battle experience was always there. There are stories of old guys who served in the military and were out for 5-10 years and their training and experience (despite being out of the service for years) were used to diffuse a situation. Like in this bus hijacking, a 70 year old veteran broke the neck of a high jacker who used his training and experience. I don't think Leon was ever out of fighting shape. His skills are always going to be there. Alfonso on the other hand had the will and training in sword fighting (but not in handling soul metal) but he didn't have the experience of being a Makai Knight that Leon had. I am assuming most Makai Knights "come of age" between 15 and 18. Leon is 17 (while Alfonso is 20) so at that age to bear the title of the strongest of all Makai Knights is too much for someone as old as Leon to bear probably. I understand, but how come he suddenly made up his mind after Lara died? The anime made it like it's about revenge all over again yet Leon does not want revenge at all. A bit confusing. And so far it just makes Lara's death unimportant & just for the drama's sake. But the thing is, the anime makes it like Alfonso & Leon are in the same level of skills all this time. There's no indication that Leon is stronger than Alfonso. So when Leon "defeated" Alfonso after a long time without training was pretty weird. Please do not be that"but there's a case where someone can do that" kind of person. That's possible, but that's one in a million kind of thing. And a good narrative is not the one that meddling with "that's possible, but absolutely unlikely" territory. The difference between episode 12 and this one is that Leon's growing love for Lara, and the time spent with her and her family allowed him to understand the value of protecting other people's lives, and thus to make the right decision. You can interpret the dark thingy however you want (doesnt need to be a concrete interpretation to all the semi metaphorical shit a show throws at its audience, as long it makes sense). As for the Leon v. Alfonso fight, Monad already explained it very well. OT: fantastic fight scene, fantastic growth on Leon's part, fantastic 2 v. 1 against the Horror, fantastic episode. I know it might sound weird to say for a fictional character, but I'm proud of you, Leon. You've come a loooong, long way. |
SapewlothJun 18, 2016 12:08 PM
| Proud founder of The Official Anti-Ging Freecss Fan Club Join now! Kellhus said: GuusWayne said: there is a limit to the suspension of disbelief And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat. |
| Dem marks. She grabbed you from behind. Oh shit! Damn! You just gonna bury her without letting her mom and grandma see her one last time? Asshole Leon. Fuck off, Horror. Alfonso sees Leon. Dat sakuga! LMAO at kicking Alfonso. Oh shit! German hit it. Leon has appeared. In new clothes. Dat trasformation. Mendooza really is alive. |
| If you see that my post is exactly 1 month old (or more) from when it was posted... Don't waste your time, especially when you want to reply with something petty & insignificant. Assume that I've moved on (because I have). |
| Gotta admit, this show impressed me from being able to keep a conssitent story going without feeling like it ever slowed down or made up random stuff. When they made Alfonso take the armour I didn't know what they could do next but somehow they went and kept the whole thing feeling like a proper overarching story and not just some continuation. Also the animation was top notch this episode. Really impressive. |
| I've been here way too long... |
| Glad that Leon didn't fall deeper into despair and pulled himself through all that, even regaining the gold armor. Seems like the ship sailed for our man German |
| I don't see a happy ending for Ximena and German, I sense tragedy or some sort of separation at the end. Damn, German leaving such a nuclear bomb on Alfonso and Leon. |
| How I learned to stop worrying and love the bomb --- Dr Strangelove |
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