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Jul 30, 2023 4:52 AM
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| I was kinda confused when kurisu's dress was changed while talking with the younger okabe rintaru in the station while he was distressed about Mayuri in the steins gate movie. |
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Jan 17, 2024 4:08 AM
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| This is the best explanation I could find, that makes sense: "this scene switches perspectives, Okabe only remembers that day as sunny and rainy, when it wasn't. You see Kurisu as a young girl because that's how he remembers it. Also divergence says he has to meet Kagari there, but since WW3 doesn't happen, there's no Kagari. Thus Kurisu fills that roll." You noticed the clothes changing but her age also changes. |
Jan 17, 2024 6:19 AM
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Reply to bencollinz
This is the best explanation I could find, that makes sense:
"this scene switches perspectives,
Okabe only remembers that day as sunny and rainy, when it wasn't. You see Kurisu as a young girl because that's how he remembers it. Also divergence says he has to meet Kagari there, but since WW3 doesn't happen, there's no Kagari. Thus Kurisu fills that roll."
You noticed the clothes changing but her age also changes.
"this scene switches perspectives,
Okabe only remembers that day as sunny and rainy, when it wasn't. You see Kurisu as a young girl because that's how he remembers it. Also divergence says he has to meet Kagari there, but since WW3 doesn't happen, there's no Kagari. Thus Kurisu fills that roll."
You noticed the clothes changing but her age also changes.
| @bencollinz I see . It's means it was shown from Okabe's perspective right ? Thank you so much man !!! |
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Jan 18, 2024 10:13 AM
#4
Reply to bencollinz
This is the best explanation I could find, that makes sense:
"this scene switches perspectives,
Okabe only remembers that day as sunny and rainy, when it wasn't. You see Kurisu as a young girl because that's how he remembers it. Also divergence says he has to meet Kagari there, but since WW3 doesn't happen, there's no Kagari. Thus Kurisu fills that roll."
You noticed the clothes changing but her age also changes.
"this scene switches perspectives,
Okabe only remembers that day as sunny and rainy, when it wasn't. You see Kurisu as a young girl because that's how he remembers it. Also divergence says he has to meet Kagari there, but since WW3 doesn't happen, there's no Kagari. Thus Kurisu fills that roll."
You noticed the clothes changing but her age also changes.
bencollinz said: Also divergence says he has to meet Kagari there, but since WW3 doesn't happen, there's no Kagari. Thus Kurisu fills that roll. That's not correct. The Steins Gate worldline is unobserved, thus it is not bound by convergence |
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Jan 18, 2024 6:00 PM
#5
Reply to SciADV_Maniac
bencollinz said:
Also divergence says he has to meet Kagari there, but since WW3 doesn't happen, there's no Kagari. Thus Kurisu fills that roll.
Also divergence says he has to meet Kagari there, but since WW3 doesn't happen, there's no Kagari. Thus Kurisu fills that roll.
That's not correct. The Steins Gate worldline is unobserved, thus it is not bound by convergence
| @SciADV_Maniac oh I see |
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Mar 5, 3:33 AM
#6
| When they change the past with a time machine and in the future that machine never existed, the worldline is rewritten to make sense and avoid paradoxes. So when Kurisu returns and the time machine never existed in that worldline, what happened was that the young Kurisu met Okabe there. So yes, you can say it's Okabe's perspective, but not because that's how he remembers it but because that is what happened. |
Mar 5, 4:02 AM
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Reply to Censored_Account
When they change the past with a time machine and in the future that machine never existed, the worldline is rewritten to make sense and avoid paradoxes. So when Kurisu returns and the time machine never existed in that worldline, what happened was that the young Kurisu met Okabe there. So yes, you can say it's Okabe's perspective, but not because that's how he remembers it but because that is what happened.
| @OkShHa ohh now I see |
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Mar 22, 2:36 AM
#8
Reply to Censored_Account
When they change the past with a time machine and in the future that machine never existed, the worldline is rewritten to make sense and avoid paradoxes. So when Kurisu returns and the time machine never existed in that worldline, what happened was that the young Kurisu met Okabe there. So yes, you can say it's Okabe's perspective, but not because that's how he remembers it but because that is what happened.
| @OkShHa No lol, this is complete BS. Not how time travel works. It was a visual choice from the director, there is nothing else going on here. |
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Mar 22, 4:25 AM
#9
Reply to SciADV_Maniac
@OkShHa No lol, this is complete BS. Not how time travel works. It was a visual choice from the director, there is nothing else going on here.
| @SciADV_Maniac It's literally just as it's explained in the visual novel... But I suppose you know more about how time travel and world lines work than the authors of the visual novel do. |
Mar 23, 7:10 AM
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@SciADV_Maniac It's literally just as it's explained in the visual novel... But I suppose you know more about how time travel and world lines work than the authors of the visual novel do.
| @OkShHa You know, I read the VN, multiple times in fact. Not just Steins;Gate, but the entire SciADV universe. It's not how it works, there is nothing like that in the VN. Young Kurisu was not there. The adult was. It's true that the worldline can change to avoid paradoxes, but there are no paradoxes here. Besides, it's already a different world line when Kurisu arrives. Using the time machine already altered the world line. |
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Mar 23, 8:08 AM
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Reply to SciADV_Maniac
@OkShHa You know, I read the VN, multiple times in fact. Not just Steins;Gate, but the entire SciADV universe. It's not how it works, there is nothing like that in the VN. Young Kurisu was not there. The adult was.
It's true that the worldline can change to avoid paradoxes, but there are no paradoxes here. Besides, it's already a different world line when Kurisu arrives. Using the time machine already altered the world line.
It's true that the worldline can change to avoid paradoxes, but there are no paradoxes here. Besides, it's already a different world line when Kurisu arrives. Using the time machine already altered the world line.
| @SciADV_Maniac LMAO So adult Kurisu on the past without a time machine is what happened and is not a paradox, okay xD If I reread the novel, I'll send you a screenshot or transcript because it IS explained there. I didn't make it up. |
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Mar 23, 8:30 AM
#12
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@SciADV_Maniac LMAO So adult Kurisu on the past without a time machine is what happened and is not a paradox, okay xD If I reread the novel, I'll send you a screenshot or transcript because it IS explained there. I didn't make it up.
| @OkShHa OkShHa said: LMAO So adult Kurisu on the past without a time machine She had a time machine... did we watch the same movie, lol? She went there with a time machine, and she returned with the exact same time machine. OkShHa said: I'll send you a screenshot or transcript because it IS explained there. I didn't make it up. I'm pretty sure you just remember wrong. |
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Mar 23, 8:57 AM
#13
Reply to SciADV_Maniac
@OkShHa
She had a time machine... did we watch the same movie, lol? She went there with a time machine, and she returned with the exact same time machine.
I'm pretty sure you just remember wrong.
OkShHa said:
LMAO So adult Kurisu on the past without a time machine
LMAO So adult Kurisu on the past without a time machine
She had a time machine... did we watch the same movie, lol? She went there with a time machine, and she returned with the exact same time machine.
OkShHa said:
I'll send you a screenshot or transcript because it IS explained there. I didn't make it up.
I'll send you a screenshot or transcript because it IS explained there. I didn't make it up.
I'm pretty sure you just remember wrong.
| @SciADV_Maniac You don't understood... Okabe's goal was for the time machine to NEVER have existed, at ANY point in the timeline. Kurisu achieves this in that film: after using it, it ceases to exist... You haven't even grasped the basics, yet you're acting like an expert... Yes, it's already a different world line when Kurisu arrives, but it changes again when she comes back and the time machine dissapears, just like in the end of the VN when Suzuha and the time machine dissapear. So WL 1 Kurisu never kissed Okabe, WL 2 Kurisu traveled with a time machine and kissed Okabe, WL 3 created AFTER she returns the time machine never existed and the past gets reconstructed to make sense as explained in the VN, making Kurisu meet Okabe there for some reason while they are kids. Or perhaps, as you say, in a worldline where there are no time machines, adult Kurisu materialises out of thin air, kisses Okabe, traumatising him for life, and that’s why he goes full mad scientist out of trauma; adult Kurisu disappears just as suddenly as she appeared, and then everything else happens. PS: Correct me if I’m wrong, but neither Chaos;Head, Chaos;Child, Robotics;Notes nor Ocultic;Nine explain how the world lines work or how time travel works, and I haven’t read it yet, but I’d say the same goes for Anonymous;Code. So it doesn’t add anything to say you’re an expert on the subject just because you’ve read them. You don’t need to spout nonsense to sound smarter; you just end up achieving the opposite. It’s as if I were to tell you now that not only have I analysed S;G until I fully understood it, but I’ve also read Dracula several times. What does the last one bring to the table? |
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Mar 23, 9:25 AM
#14
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@SciADV_Maniac LMAO So adult Kurisu on the past without a time machine is what happened and is not a paradox, okay xD If I reread the novel, I'll send you a screenshot or transcript because it IS explained there. I didn't make it up.
OkShHa said: So WL 1 Kurisu never kissed Okabe, WL 2 Kurisu traveled with a time machine and kissed Okabe, WL 3 created AFTER she returns the time machine never existed and the past gets reconstructed to make sense as explained in the VN, making Kurisu meet Okabe there for some reason while they are kids. No, WL3 isn't like that and it's not like that in the VN either... The time machine disappears in 2011, but that doesn't mean it disappears from 2005 as well.... And the same goes for how the VN ends. Suzuha and the time machine disappear from August 21st, but they do not diappear from July 28th... Otherwise, how the hell even Kurisu is saved to begin with? The exact goal of Operation Skuld was to NOT CHANGE THE OBSERVED events on that day. And Okabe observes the time machine on that with his own eyes on the rooftop of RadiKan. The past does not get reconstructed after returning. It is already reconstructed when Kurisu does the change in the past. OkShHa said: Or perhaps, as you say, in a worldline where there are no time machines, adult Kurisu materialises out of thin air, kisses Okabe, traumatising him for life, and that’s why he goes full mad scientist out of trauma; adult Kurisu disappears just as suddenly as she appeared, and then everything else happens. She arrives with a time machine, just like she did. That's unchanged. It's like a D-Mail: its origins are on a previous worldline's future, not from the current one's. It's perfectly fine. OkShHa said: Correct me if I’m wrong, but neither Chaos;Head, Chaos;Child, Robotics;Notes nor Ocultic;Nine explain how the world lines work or how time travel works, and I haven’t read it yet, but I’d say the same goes for Anonymous;Code. Oh boy, you are so wrong here.... Especially about Anonymous;Code where the main protagonist literally uses a time leap machine that is built into his BMI. Not to mention that A;C also explains why Okabe disappears in this movie to begin with, and how is that working properly. OkShHa said: It’s as if I were to tell you now that not only have I analysed S;G until I fully understood it, but I’ve also read Dracula several times. Is Dracula taking place in the same universe as Steins;Gate? Because uh you know, the rest of SciADV does. Some S;G characters even appearing in others. So your analogy here is kinda bs... OkShHa said: Okabe's goal was for the time machine to NEVER have existed, at ANY point in the timeline. Kurisu achieves this in that film: after using it, it ceases to exist... Yeah, it ceases to exist... in the future. Not in the past. |
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Mar 23, 9:45 AM
#15
Reply to SciADV_Maniac
OkShHa said:
So WL 1 Kurisu never kissed Okabe, WL 2 Kurisu traveled with a time machine and kissed Okabe, WL 3 created AFTER she returns the time machine never existed and the past gets reconstructed to make sense as explained in the VN, making Kurisu meet Okabe there for some reason while they are kids.
So WL 1 Kurisu never kissed Okabe, WL 2 Kurisu traveled with a time machine and kissed Okabe, WL 3 created AFTER she returns the time machine never existed and the past gets reconstructed to make sense as explained in the VN, making Kurisu meet Okabe there for some reason while they are kids.
No, WL3 isn't like that and it's not like that in the VN either... The time machine disappears in 2011, but that doesn't mean it disappears from 2005 as well.... And the same goes for how the VN ends. Suzuha and the time machine disappear from August 21st, but they do not diappear from July 28th... Otherwise, how the hell even Kurisu is saved to begin with? The exact goal of Operation Skuld was to NOT CHANGE THE OBSERVED events on that day. And Okabe observes the time machine on that with his own eyes on the rooftop of RadiKan.
The past does not get reconstructed after returning. It is already reconstructed when Kurisu does the change in the past.
OkShHa said:
Or perhaps, as you say, in a worldline where there are no time machines, adult Kurisu materialises out of thin air, kisses Okabe, traumatising him for life, and that’s why he goes full mad scientist out of trauma; adult Kurisu disappears just as suddenly as she appeared, and then everything else happens.
Or perhaps, as you say, in a worldline where there are no time machines, adult Kurisu materialises out of thin air, kisses Okabe, traumatising him for life, and that’s why he goes full mad scientist out of trauma; adult Kurisu disappears just as suddenly as she appeared, and then everything else happens.
She arrives with a time machine, just like she did. That's unchanged. It's like a D-Mail: its origins are on a previous worldline's future, not from the current one's. It's perfectly fine.
OkShHa said:
Correct me if I’m wrong, but neither Chaos;Head, Chaos;Child, Robotics;Notes nor Ocultic;Nine explain how the world lines work or how time travel works, and I haven’t read it yet, but I’d say the same goes for Anonymous;Code.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but neither Chaos;Head, Chaos;Child, Robotics;Notes nor Ocultic;Nine explain how the world lines work or how time travel works, and I haven’t read it yet, but I’d say the same goes for Anonymous;Code.
Oh boy, you are so wrong here.... Especially about Anonymous;Code where
the main protagonist literally uses a time leap machine that is built into his BMI.
Not to mention that A;C also explains why Okabe disappears in this movie to begin with, and how is that working properly.
OkShHa said:
It’s as if I were to tell you now that not only have I analysed S;G until I fully understood it, but I’ve also read Dracula several times.
It’s as if I were to tell you now that not only have I analysed S;G until I fully understood it, but I’ve also read Dracula several times.
Is Dracula taking place in the same universe as Steins;Gate? Because uh you know, the rest of SciADV does. Some S;G characters even appearing in others. So your analogy here is kinda bs...
OkShHa said:
Okabe's goal was for the time machine to NEVER have existed, at ANY point in the timeline. Kurisu achieves this in that film: after using it, it ceases to exist...
Okabe's goal was for the time machine to NEVER have existed, at ANY point in the timeline. Kurisu achieves this in that film: after using it, it ceases to exist...
Yeah, it ceases to exist... in the future. Not in the past.
SciADV_Maniac said: its origins are on a previous worldline's future, not from the current one's. It's perfectly fine. I thought that too for quite a while, but in that case neither Suzuha nor the time machine should have disappeared after reaching S;G. That's why a lot of people think that is a big plot hole. SciADV_Maniac said: Otherwise, how the hell even Kurisu is saved to begin with? Like in the movie? After returning, they reached S;G the worldline changed the past so other person got the metal Upa and Okabe saved Kurisu somehow. It doesn’t explain exactly how, but I don’t think it’s necessary. So in S;G wordline someone else gets the metal Upa and Okabe sabes Kurisu, maybe he hears her screaming. SciADV_Maniac said: The exact goal of Operation Skuld was to NOT CHANGE THE OBSERVED events on that day. And Okabe observes the time machine on that with his own eyes on the rooftop of RadiKan. Yes, but that was only necessary to reach S;G because of the attractor field. Those events are not needed on S;G worldline because it doesn't have that attractor field. SciADV_Maniac said: Is Dracula taking place in the same universe as Steins;Gate? I just meant, time travel and worldlines are explained in C;H etc as much as in Dracula. The universe doesn't matter. |
Mar 23, 10:33 AM
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SciADV_Maniac said:
its origins are on a previous worldline's future, not from the current one's. It's perfectly fine.
its origins are on a previous worldline's future, not from the current one's. It's perfectly fine.
I thought that too for quite a while, but in that case neither Suzuha nor the time machine should have disappeared after reaching S;G. That's why a lot of people think that is a big plot hole.
SciADV_Maniac said:
Otherwise, how the hell even Kurisu is saved to begin with?
Otherwise, how the hell even Kurisu is saved to begin with?
Like in the movie? After returning, they reached S;G the worldline changed the past so other person got the metal Upa and Okabe saved Kurisu somehow. It doesn’t explain exactly how, but I don’t think it’s necessary. So in S;G wordline someone else gets the metal Upa and Okabe sabes Kurisu, maybe he hears her screaming.
SciADV_Maniac said:
The exact goal of Operation Skuld was to NOT CHANGE THE OBSERVED events on that day. And Okabe observes the time machine on that with his own eyes on the rooftop of RadiKan.
The exact goal of Operation Skuld was to NOT CHANGE THE OBSERVED events on that day. And Okabe observes the time machine on that with his own eyes on the rooftop of RadiKan.
Yes, but that was only necessary to reach S;G because of the attractor field. Those events are not needed on S;G worldline because it doesn't have that attractor field.
SciADV_Maniac said:
Is Dracula taking place in the same universe as Steins;Gate?
Is Dracula taking place in the same universe as Steins;Gate?
I just meant, time travel and worldlines are explained in C;H etc as much as in Dracula. The universe doesn't matter.
OkShHa said: I thought that too for quite a while, but in that case neither Suzuha nor the time machine should have disappeared after reaching S;G. That's why a lot of people think that is a big plot hole. But it's not. They disappear due to a different reason, not because the world line is rewritten there - Okabe explicitly says that he did not experience Reading Steiner, by the way, so we can safely exclude that the world line was rewritten. Her disappearance can be more understood if you read Anonymous;Code - it's very similar to the disappearance of Okabe in the movie. OkShHa said: Yes, but that was only necessary to reach S;G because of the attractor field. Those events are not needed on S;G worldline because it doesn't have that attractor field. To be precise, Steins Gate worldline is exactly in-between Alpha and Beta. They went there from Beta by not changing the observed events, so they tricked the world. The world has to think that nothing has been changed, otherwise it would converge the events to either a Beta or an Alpha worldline. So no, the Steins Gate world line's events on July 28th play out exactly how it went. If we really want to technical here, then major spoilers from Anonymous;Code: Steins;Gate and all other SciADV stories are taking place inside a simulation. We can say that Steins Gate is an unstable equilibrium of the system. It doesn't make sense that the world line shifts after they tricked the simulation into this state. The same goes for the events of the movie. After Kurisu went back to the future, why would the world shift again? It already did. Besides, if it would shift to a world, where there is a young Kurisu, how that young Kurisu would even know Okabe? Why would she kiss her? How would she know about Hououin Kyouma? This just does not add up dude. OkShHa said: I just meant, time travel and worldlines are explained in C;H etc as much as in Dracula. The universe doesn't matter. You didn't even read C;H... why are you so certain about this stuff? In fact, the origin of the different phenomenons in SciADV is the same thing. You basically get new insights by each read. You can indeed understand world lines better by reading the rest, and vica-versa. |
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Mar 25, 2:24 AM
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| I was going to wait a bit more to finish this as I was enjoying the talk, but I may delete my acount for another reason soon, So I’m going to put an end to this nonsense with facts and evidence. I'll start with this: SciADV_Maniac said: I'm pretty sure you just remember wrong. When I said: OkShHa said: neither Chaos;Head, Chaos;Child, Robotics;Notes nor Ocultic;Nine explain how the world lines work or how time travel works, and I haven’t read it yet, but I’d say the same goes for Anonymous;Code. It was because I know that the rest of ScienceADV doesn’t cover the subject and I remembered reading somewhere that Anonymous;Code didn’t was about time travel either before it's release, and I have a very good memory. I finally found where, and Oh GOD it was even better than I remembered. He replied me: SciADV_Maniac said: Oh boy, you are so wrong here.... Especially about Anonymous;Code where the main protagonist literally uses a time leap machine that is built into his BMI. Not to mention that A;C also explains why Okabe disappears in this movie to begin with, and how is that working properly. Okay... Let’s take a look at an interview with the genius Chiyomaru Shikura, creator of the Science Adventure series, in which he talks about Steins;Gate and Anonymous;Code: https://www.famitsu.com/news/201607/03109939.html Interview Summary: Anonymous;Code doesn’t feature time travel like in Steins;Gate; there’s nothing like time machines, D-Mails or time leaps, it's another unrelated thing. So now he's not saying that what I say is BS and I am so wrong, but that what Chiyomaru Shikura says is BS and he is so wrong. And to say that the writer doesn’t understand his own work and is completely wrong is, wow... SciADV_Maniac said: No lol, this is complete BS. Not how time travel works. It was a visual choice from the director, there is nothing else going on here. SciADV_Maniac said: I read the VN, multiple times in fact. Not just Steins;Gate, but the entire SciADV universe. It's not how it works, there is nothing like that in the VN. Young Kurisu was not there. The adult was. SciADV_Maniac said: Yeah, it ceases to exist... in the future. Not in the past. About how worldlines work in Steins;Gate: In Steins;Gate, when a worldline shift occurs—triggered by a significant change like sending a D-mail—the past is reconstructed to align with the new timeline. This reconstruction ensures causality is preserved, preventing paradoxes. Worldline reconstruction happens instantly and completely: every event from the past to the future is rewritten to match the new divergence point. For example, if Okabe changes a past event, the entire timeline adjusts so that the new version of history is consistent with that change. The active worldline is the only one that exists at any given time. When a shift occurs, the previous worldline is no longer active and effectively "disappears" from reality, though its history remains as a memory in Okabe’s mind due to his Reading Steiner ability. Small changes (like test D-mails) may not trigger a full reconstruction—memories remain unchanged, and the worldline doesn’t shift visibly. Reconstruction follows the principle of minimal change: the new worldline selected is the one most similar to the previous one, preserving as much continuity as possible. This is why Okabe usually stays in the same place after a shift—there’s a worldline where he does, and the system picks that one. Key exceptions occur when no such consistent worldline exists (e.g., in Faris’ ending, where the lab never formed, forcing Okabe to appear on the street). Similarly, events like Mayuri’s death or Kurisu’s fate are convergent points—they will recur unless the root cause is removed, triggering a shift to a new attractor field. Note: This model is based on the Steins;Gate visual novel (VN) and official materials, which state only one worldline is active at a time. The idea of "parallel" or "coexisting" timelines is a misconception; the past is not preserved—it is rewritten. Taking into account what the series creator says about Anonymous;Code and Steins;Gate, and the explanation drawn from official sources regarding how the world lines and time travel work in Steins;Gate, we can conclude that everything SciADV_Maniac said was incorrect due to a misunderstanding of the fundamentals of Steins;Gate, which he has compounded with his misinterpretation of Anonymous;Code to fill the gaps with something as lame as: All what I don't understood were simulation errors |
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