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I engage with these people a lot and they just deny and say the strangest things as a response.
“Oh yeah, who started the war then! How dare Trump try and save Ukraine and Russian lives”- the last Republican guy I talked to about this
They just keep it going and going, it doesn’t matter what you cite or reference. Like what do we say?
In real life?
Russia invaded Ukraine after annexing Crimea. Russia stole Ukraine land and then invaded what was left.
Then, walk away.
Online?
Russia invaded Ukraine after annexing Crimea and then provide links.
This isn’t for the online person, but for people that come after. Don’t comment any further.
Not after annexing Crimea. They invaded Ukraine when they stole Crimea.
I agree, but make sure to not make things more complicated for the recepients of this message. Fuzzing about details is a great way to make people think that the overall message is flawed, incomplete or even wrong.
skim read that last sentence something about führer
sounded about right
You press them to explain the things they say. Just like if someone says a racist or sexist joke, the best response is, “I don’t get it, could you explain it to me?.”
You just don’t engage. It’s impossible to have a conversation with or win an argument with a fool.
Our eyes are begging us to stop rolling them.
I’ve given up. When I realize I’m talking to a MAGAt, just disengage as gracefully as possible. If I can’t get away, try and change the subject. If it’s in a group setting, I might slap a fact-dick on the table once to make a point of opposition as a signal to the group.
I’ve never had luck. It’s like reasoning with a toddler and arguing with a brick wall and trying to have discourse with a toy you pull the string on and it just repeats the same 5 things over and over.
They’re fucking idiots that have been bred and brainwashed to be scared and fearful and lash out. They’re like an angry stray dog, except I believe dogs can be rehabilitated - I don’t know if I’m convinced of the same for these people.
Recently, some idiot had a demo on how the cop put his knee on George Floyd. Now his knee was right between the shoulder blades. I stated…ugh it was on his neck!
Multiple MAGAts responded…“no it wasn’t!”, “The knee wasn’t on the neck though!”
So I found a picture. A few of them deleted their comments but others still don’t believe it…“You can make a picture of anything”
Like dude, we all saw it…wtf. The MAGA brain rot is real.
It is buffling, its almost like we are not the same species. How is it possible to be this dumb? I don’t know…
It’s deliberate. Deliberate ignorance. Just pushing it all away.
I mean… there is a small part of DC that is a hell hole… y’all know where I’m talking about, the place where people in suits gather. And some weird house with an oddly-shaped office
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You could be doing that too instead of being a smarmy shit
always
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Jesus christ, learn to use a period every now and then.
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I am blocking you
The EU will use this as proof that age verification is needed for lemmy.
Somebody is a little too thin skinned to be on the internet unsupervised
Do me! Do me!
Bruh most of Lemmy is smarmy
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Can you be a good sport then, and act on your own succulently awesome general advice?
Show us the way!<cowardly crickets>
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Block me, too!! Block me, too!!
(and brag about it, lolololol)
You really don’t see the irony, huh?
Release the Epstein files.
I mostly hear people disagree with only the first two. And of course some Trump worshipers with the last one. Some of the rest don’t seem so controversial.
IMMIGRANTS ARE (NOT) RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL THE ILLS OF THE COUNTRY
C’mon, that’s a classic. Not even MAGA-specific, this has been the favorite of every far-right movememnt.
The far right differentiates between illegal aliens and legal migrants. They vocally support those who come legally. That has been my experience.
You mean they are fine with white Europeans with money migrating?
But they also want fewer legal immigrants. Remember the republican rep talking about how she loves watching videos of immigrants being dragged out of their immigration court cases by ICE? Those were people following the process.
It’s a distinction that becomes meaningless when ALL headlines talk about “illegals” and spread lies like “illegals voting” and when they deport plenty of migrants, legal or not. And fire the populace up against ALL migrants. Sorry, there’s no legal resp illegal xenophobia, it’s just xenophobia.
I don’t know the rep you’re talking about. I don’t disbelieve it, I know there are plenty of racists in every group and movement.
The conservative voices with large audiences that I have seen are pro legal immigration.
I am 70 years old and have NEVER seen a republican group support any kind of migration, except maybe the farmers who want slave labour. GTFOH with this drivel !!
I take it you’re not a(n im)migrant.
Oh, so that explains why Drumpf is shipping LEGAL migrants to El Salvadore…?
The first one is very disagreeable, DC has a nicer transit system than all except for like 2 cities in the US.
Regarding Ukraine, they’re one of 3 parties that can stop the war and could have done so at any point since the 2014 coup put them on track for this.
But have a talk with any republican about immigrants, 99% think immigrants are stealing SS, doing crime, taking all the jobs, causing poverty, and increasing healthcare costs.
How would Ukraine stop the war in a way they haven’t tried already?
I’m curious to read your solution.Agree to Russia’s offer that would have Ukraine take back a fraction of its lost territory while Russia keeps the Russian-speaking territory. Maybe even require each state hold a UN-monitored referendum on who to join.
Its awful if you care about states, but immediate peace is the best option for the people actually living there.
So attacking Ukraine, taking Crimea and other parts of Ukraine, waging a war against civilians, bombing cities and the people there, abducting children, torturing prisoners of war, etc. would basically be rewarded by granting them a part of the conquered territory and leaving them off the hook for all the atrocities they’d committed?
Russia didn’t honor the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum.
They need to pay - for all of it and big time.
I can understand why Ukraine doesn’t roll over. The likely price for immediate peace would just be higher than the price of continuing the war and defending themselves.
Why should Russia be believed to honor any agreement, if they didn’t honor the Budapes Memorandum? How long until another attack by Russia would happen?OK, go to Ukraine and punish Russia. Maybe in another decade and another million dead, the two countries will be able to stop sending their sons to die for some billionaire or another. I’m sure it will all have been worth it.
Peace only works, if all parties involved are interested in that.
If less than all are interested in that, these are the ones at the short end of the stick who get crushed down by the bullies over and over and over…
Russia need to be made interested in a lasting peace and that is not done by rolling over.Russia’s calculus to invade Ukraine was based off the assumption that they could win in a few days if they invaded, and if they didn’t invade, they would have a hostile, NATO-backed state on their border.
The first has proven hilariously wrong, and the second is only possible if Ukraine remains a buffer.
Given that Russia was selling 10y bonds at 17% and wages were skyrocketing due to the war industry tightening the labor market, I’m genuinely quite curious what the local political ramifications will be when Putin doesn’t have a war to distract everyone, his fellow billionaires want to cut wages, and loans start to come due.
Ah yes If you just say yes you dont get rped.
Or what?
So if I move into your home and beat you every night, you’ll be ok to give me half of your home, maybe even ALL of it ?? Please post your address, imbecile.
Regarding Ukraine, they’re one of 3 parties that can stop the war and could have done so at any point since the 2014 coup put them on track for this. WTF is this delirium ?? So you’re saying that anyone ever who is bullied, has the power to stop it anytime??? Murdering the bully may be a solution, but suicide sure the hell is not. What other solutions do you think Ukraine has available to it, you soft skulled, smooth brained, soul-less imbecile?
The far right says that about illegal aliens. When they speak of migrants they’re speaking of people who come legally, which they support.
Please post one example of republicans supporting migration, other than farmers who just want slave labour, magat. I’m 70 years old, and have never seen such a thing.
Immigrants are responsible for pretty much all of our country’s problems. Well, immigrants and their descendents. Elon musk, Freidrich Drumpf, etc.
I mean, if you’re a native American, you’ve been saying this for centuries!
If 14 years is old enough to consent, how come you don’t let them buy guns, huh?
Because then 14 year olds could protect themselves from being raped by them.
Child rapists probably hate that 14 year olds can’t buy guns.
🔥🇺🇸🔥
What’s this “14-yo’s are not adults” thing about
Donny 2 Dolls is on record, having been asked by an interviewer about what age is too young for a girl to start dating him…His answer was that 12…13 years is probably too young…
There’s also a LOT of child marriage due to “religious reasons” in rural areas, in places where they’re now rolling back child labor laws as well.