The following graph shows the percentages of Americans, by political orientation and over time, who disapprove of cops striking civilians who punch them:
In space to destroy following the death of Freddie Grey while in the custody of the Baltimore PD, I was struck by the then iconic picture of a squad car suffering through a Street Fighter bonus round.
It was the day gun grabbing died. If the state won’t even protect itself, it sure as hell isn’t going to protect you. But it also turned out to be a mere foretaste of what became a daily occurrence throughout the Summer of 2020. Police body parts stopped bricks, bottles, fists, and other objects in major cities all across the country. To most people, the scenes were horrific. To a growing number of Americans, however, they were small instances of justice finally being served.
The venerable General Social Survey is taking its sweet time releasing the 2020 iteration. When the data are out, expect all three lines to shoot up. Yes, expect the red one to join the ascent of the blue and purple ones. Cops arresting mothers on playgrounds and breaking up church services caused many deplorable fists to ball up.
There is a strong racial element to opinions on whether or not the police have a duty to stoically endure non-lethal battery. Percentages, by race, who disapprove of cops striking civilians who punch them:
GSS variables used: POLATTAK, YEAR, POLVIEWS(1-3)(4)(5-7), RACEHISP
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I am in serious talks with some friends to start a private security company.
Let’s see a poll on how many people would turn the other cheek after they were struck by ordinary people and see how it matches up to the numbers in this survey.
I think the numbers would be very different especially among blacks and hispanics. Minority neighborhoods use deadly force to settle disputes at a ridiculous rate.
What happened in 2002 to cause liberal support for police restraint to drop while conservative support for restraint soared?
To the extent I have mixed feelings about the question, it’s because I’ve seen too many videos of cops using disproportionate violence on “resisting” suspects. Last summer’s arrest of the elderly, plainly addled, lady in Colorado being a particularly egregious example. I suspect some cops lie a lot about people punching them to justify their actions. I don’t disapprove of cops striking people who are actually attacking them, though.
These tough guys are ruthless against polite Christians, law abiding conservatives and even brutalize the elderly and disable. But all their bravado goes out the window when they face up against a negro or antifa mob burning, looting and terrorizing entire cities.
Then they all rush beneath their beds and wear their wife's panties while trembling.Replies: @anon, @Corvinus
Conservative anti-police mentality probably peaked with Ruby Ridge + Waco, which aren't even a blip on here. My father, largely a Reaganite normie-con up to that point, adopted a conspiracy theory mindset towards the Feds in those days and stopped flying the US flag on our house (but resumed after 9/11 and became basically a normie-con again).
Given a number of different attitudes towards policing, including the results of this survey, I see no reason whatsoever for anyone with options to choose policing as a career. Maybe get enough trainning and experience to work in private security (same as with military service as a route to the private sector) but then get out as soon as possible. As AE points out, either police are breaking up deplorables’ church services or being prosecuted for defending themselves against feral Negroes. No good choices here. I suspect the quality of police will start to deteriorate.
Honestly fuck the cops. The police are the main enemy, not BLM. BLM and antifa are allowed to terrorize normal people with impunity because they do so under police protection. Anyone who fights back against them is arrested and brutalized by the cops.
Kyle Rittenhouse and that lawyer couple who fought a black mob off. If it weren’t for police, BLM and antifa would be wiped out it in one day.
The lefties talk about abolishing the police and the military and I support it. Without the regime’s goons protecting them, normal people armed with AR-15s or M-16s would wipe them out in short order.
Black and communist terrorists would no longer be able to invade your hometown and ransack it at will. People would simply shoot back and deal with them in a few minutes. In an actual anarchy, the Jewish pedophiles and methheads of Antifa and their congoid golems would be annihilated in minutes.
The police are not right wing reactionaries and your allies in le culture wars. At most they are racist boomers who will follow their Jewish DA’s orders to the letter when push comes to shove. They don’t see you as some fellow conservative or white man, they simply see you as a roadblock to his paycheck and promotion.
Stop venerating and respecting these schlemiels. Same with the military.
Black and Jewish Communists are protected by DA's, Mayors, and City Councils. If allowed to do so the cops would be happy to shoot the motherfuckers. Communist crime occures in jurisdictions friendly to it. The top lawman where I live is an elected sheriff. If the mob comes here it will be open season on Communists with no bag limit.Replies: @UNIT472, @Craig Nelsen
To not let hope take us though, I strongly suspect they won't abolish the police so much as "redirect their energies" or replace them with a newer, state-sanctioned force that targets the group(s) they want to be targeting.
Good luck with the liability issues.
Don’t. You won’t receive any legal protection in the case you have to use force. Better to start a business that facilitates and trains gun owners.
Kyle Rittenhouse and that lawyer couple who fought a black mob off. If it weren't for police, BLM and antifa would be wiped out it in one day.
The lefties talk about abolishing the police and the military and I support it. Without the regime's goons protecting them, normal people armed with AR-15s or M-16s would wipe them out in short order.
Black and communist terrorists would no longer be able to invade your hometown and ransack it at will. People would simply shoot back and deal with them in a few minutes. In an actual anarchy, the Jewish pedophiles and methheads of Antifa and their congoid golems would be annihilated in minutes.
The police are not right wing reactionaries and your allies in le culture wars. At most they are racist boomers who will follow their Jewish DA's orders to the letter when push comes to shove. They don't see you as some fellow conservative or white man, they simply see you as a roadblock to his paycheck and promotion.
Stop venerating and respecting these schlemiels. Same with the military.Replies: @El Dato, @WorkingClass, @Boomthorkell, @nebulafox
“I have a dream: That in actual anarchy, the Jewish pedophiles and methheads of Antifa and their congoid golems would be annihilated in minutes.”
Here is a suggested name for your company: Twinkie’s Slinkies
Better the strap on than the fist
To the extent I have mixed feelings about the question, it’s because I’ve seen too many videos of cops using disproportionate violence on “resisting” suspects. Last summer’s arrest of the elderly, plainly addled, lady in Colorado being a particularly egregious example. I suspect some cops lie a lot about people punching them to justify their actions. I don’t disapprove of cops striking people who are actually attacking them, though.Replies: @Caspar Von Everec, @Wency
The cops are like an impotent father who gets humiliated by boss at work and then goes home and beats his kids to let off steam.
These tough guys are ruthless against polite Christians, law abiding conservatives and even brutalize the elderly and disable. But all their bravado goes out the window when they face up against a negro or antifa mob burning, looting and terrorizing entire cities.
Then they all rush beneath their beds and wear their wife’s panties while trembling.
Kyle Rittenhouse and that lawyer couple who fought a black mob off. If it weren't for police, BLM and antifa would be wiped out it in one day.
The lefties talk about abolishing the police and the military and I support it. Without the regime's goons protecting them, normal people armed with AR-15s or M-16s would wipe them out in short order.
Black and communist terrorists would no longer be able to invade your hometown and ransack it at will. People would simply shoot back and deal with them in a few minutes. In an actual anarchy, the Jewish pedophiles and methheads of Antifa and their congoid golems would be annihilated in minutes.
The police are not right wing reactionaries and your allies in le culture wars. At most they are racist boomers who will follow their Jewish DA's orders to the letter when push comes to shove. They don't see you as some fellow conservative or white man, they simply see you as a roadblock to his paycheck and promotion.
Stop venerating and respecting these schlemiels. Same with the military.Replies: @El Dato, @WorkingClass, @Boomthorkell, @nebulafox
If it weren’t for police, BLM and antifa would be wiped out it in one day.
Black and Jewish Communists are protected by DA’s, Mayors, and City Councils. If allowed to do so the cops would be happy to shoot the motherfuckers. Communist crime occures in jurisdictions friendly to it. The top lawman where I live is an elected sheriff. If the mob comes here it will be open season on Communists with no bag limit.
There maybe some light at the end of the tunnel too. The fentynal epidemic is rapidly thinning out the low life population across America.. San Francisco e.g. had almost 2.5 times more drug overdose deaths last year than covid deaths and you can bet liberal mayors won't crack down on their negro drug dealers.Replies: @Wency
I think the "here" that most people are thinking of when they say "if the mob comes here" is their house or maybe street. And that will likely never be the case until it's too late. When the Bolshevik mob seized power in Russia, the vast majority of streets in Russia saw no mobs.
The danger of "if the mob comes here..." is that it is a stand-in for taking the action necessary to oust the Bolsheviks now while we can if we still can. Instead of saying "if the mob comes here," say "here's how I'm helping organize against the mob."
Black and Jewish Communists are protected by DA's, Mayors, and City Councils. If allowed to do so the cops would be happy to shoot the motherfuckers. Communist crime occures in jurisdictions friendly to it. The top lawman where I live is an elected sheriff. If the mob comes here it will be open season on Communists with no bag limit.Replies: @UNIT472, @Craig Nelsen
I agree. Not every police department is controlled by leftist wimps like Jacob Frey, Ted Wheeler, Lori Lightfoot etc. Just most of the big cities but elsewhere there are effective police and sheriffs departments that still enforce the law and keep the hoodrats from running amok.
There maybe some light at the end of the tunnel too. The fentynal epidemic is rapidly thinning out the low life population across America.. San Francisco e.g. had almost 2.5 times more drug overdose deaths last year than covid deaths and you can bet liberal mayors won’t crack down on their negro drug dealers.
Kyle Rittenhouse and that lawyer couple who fought a black mob off. If it weren't for police, BLM and antifa would be wiped out it in one day.
The lefties talk about abolishing the police and the military and I support it. Without the regime's goons protecting them, normal people armed with AR-15s or M-16s would wipe them out in short order.
Black and communist terrorists would no longer be able to invade your hometown and ransack it at will. People would simply shoot back and deal with them in a few minutes. In an actual anarchy, the Jewish pedophiles and methheads of Antifa and their congoid golems would be annihilated in minutes.
The police are not right wing reactionaries and your allies in le culture wars. At most they are racist boomers who will follow their Jewish DA's orders to the letter when push comes to shove. They don't see you as some fellow conservative or white man, they simply see you as a roadblock to his paycheck and promotion.
Stop venerating and respecting these schlemiels. Same with the military.Replies: @El Dato, @WorkingClass, @Boomthorkell, @nebulafox
I largely agree.
To not let hope take us though, I strongly suspect they won’t abolish the police so much as “redirect their energies” or replace them with a newer, state-sanctioned force that targets the group(s) they want to be targeting.
Who is more likely to say it, males or females?
Ultimately, I think private security in any Western country with blacks is in a somewhat similar position to the greeters at Walmart. Their presence might discourage crime on a psychological level, but their actual ability to deal with a criminals is fairly limited. Due to lawfare, they will probably need to call the police, and their ability to control crowds should be considered non-existent.
To the extent I have mixed feelings about the question, it’s because I’ve seen too many videos of cops using disproportionate violence on “resisting” suspects. Last summer’s arrest of the elderly, plainly addled, lady in Colorado being a particularly egregious example. I suspect some cops lie a lot about people punching them to justify their actions. I don’t disapprove of cops striking people who are actually attacking them, though.Replies: @Caspar Von Everec, @Wency
It looks like this happened in the ’03-’05 timeframe. I can’t think of a logical reason for this, particularly for conservatives to suddenly outnumber liberals on this issue. Seems like it has to be a problem with the poll.
Conservative anti-police mentality probably peaked with Ruby Ridge + Waco, which aren’t even a blip on here. My father, largely a Reaganite normie-con up to that point, adopted a conspiracy theory mindset towards the Feds in those days and stopped flying the US flag on our house (but resumed after 9/11 and became basically a normie-con again).
There maybe some light at the end of the tunnel too. The fentynal epidemic is rapidly thinning out the low life population across America.. San Francisco e.g. had almost 2.5 times more drug overdose deaths last year than covid deaths and you can bet liberal mayors won't crack down on their negro drug dealers.Replies: @Wency
The point isn’t just about control/leadership. It’s not like big city PDs are staffed by an entirely different class of human being than the PDs in more conservative outlying suburbs. In most cities, a large percentage of the PD lives in those suburbs (I think Chicago is the most salient exception) and are probably more conservative than the median voter in those suburbs. But police follow orders.
Black and Jewish Communists are protected by DA's, Mayors, and City Councils. If allowed to do so the cops would be happy to shoot the motherfuckers. Communist crime occures in jurisdictions friendly to it. The top lawman where I live is an elected sheriff. If the mob comes here it will be open season on Communists with no bag limit.Replies: @UNIT472, @Craig Nelsen
“If the mob comes here…” is a common threat you see everywhere, but there are problems with it. In the first place, the mob is here if, by “here” we mean the United States. If by “here” you mean your state, the mob is likely there, too. Maybe “here” is your county, but what are you going to do differently when the mob is breaking windows around your county courthouse than when they were breaking windows around your state capitol?
I think the “here” that most people are thinking of when they say “if the mob comes here” is their house or maybe street. And that will likely never be the case until it’s too late. When the Bolshevik mob seized power in Russia, the vast majority of streets in Russia saw no mobs.
The danger of “if the mob comes here…” is that it is a stand-in for taking the action necessary to oust the Bolsheviks now while we can if we still can. Instead of saying “if the mob comes here,” say “here’s how I’m helping organize against the mob.”
The wild stat in the first graph is the number of conservatives who agree that the police should just turn the other cheek.
Kyle Rittenhouse and that lawyer couple who fought a black mob off. If it weren't for police, BLM and antifa would be wiped out it in one day.
The lefties talk about abolishing the police and the military and I support it. Without the regime's goons protecting them, normal people armed with AR-15s or M-16s would wipe them out in short order.
Black and communist terrorists would no longer be able to invade your hometown and ransack it at will. People would simply shoot back and deal with them in a few minutes. In an actual anarchy, the Jewish pedophiles and methheads of Antifa and their congoid golems would be annihilated in minutes.
The police are not right wing reactionaries and your allies in le culture wars. At most they are racist boomers who will follow their Jewish DA's orders to the letter when push comes to shove. They don't see you as some fellow conservative or white man, they simply see you as a roadblock to his paycheck and promotion.
Stop venerating and respecting these schlemiels. Same with the military.Replies: @El Dato, @WorkingClass, @Boomthorkell, @nebulafox
>Stop venerating and respecting these schlemiels. Same with the military.
World of difference between a quiet respect for the institution you served, which even homeless men treated like garbage 364 days of the year show, and the bombastic flag-pin wearing Roman-style cult surrounding the military that mainstream right-wing politics pushes because that imagery is as close to proper nationalism that the donors will allow them to come to.
“I have a dream-that the year 1968 will be consigned to the flames.”
Fucking cocksucking motherfucking dirty stinking bastard rotten po-lice just shot a naked man to death, a white man, in a white small town, near where I live. Yeah, he was crazy. So what. Where was he carrying his concealed weapon? Up his ass? Were the poor scaredy-cat cops afraid he would beat them to death with his monstrous cock?
Fuck those dirty fuckers.
I have seen two videos in the past 24 hours where the tax fattened, pampered, armed government thug chest bumped the citizen and accused the citizen of battery. In both cases, the government thug remembered he was being filmed and backed down. Like was said above, fuck the police.
In the first case, the government thug had been driving in his personal vehicle and was delayed by a road crew, so he came back in his tax payer provided squad car and tried to wave his genitals around. He didn’t realize a bunch of blue collar White guys were not gonna put up with his threats and bluster. So he got flustered and drove off coming so close to the crew foreman that if the positions had been reversed the cowardly cop would have done a couple mag dumps in the general direction of the vehicle since he would have peed his pants in fear for his life.
All cops are trained liars. A wise man would not even trust a cop to tell him the color of the sky.
Here is a guest article that deserves the light of day:
No One Cares If You Go Home Safe At The End Of Your Shift
Jan 02, 201812:50AM
Category: Politics
Posted by: Michael Z. Williamson
Here at the house, I have a couple of decades plus of military experience. I have tools to dig in or out of natural disasters. I have extinguishers and hoses. I have a field trauma kit and bandages. I have weapons both melee and firearm. I know how to use them. I know how to trench, support and revet. I understand the fire triangle and appropriate approaches. I understand breathing, bleeding and shock. I know how to detain, restrain and control. I have done all of these at least occasionally, professionally. I’ve stood on top of a collapsing levee in a flood. I’ve fought a structure fire from inside so we could get everyone out before the fire department showed up, which only took two minutes, but people can die that fast. I’ve had structures collapse while I was working on them. I’ve been in an aircraft that had a “mechanical” on approach and had to be repaired in-flight before landing. I’ve helped control a brush fire. I’ve hauled disabled vehicles out of ditches in sub-zero weather.
My ex wife has over a decade of service and some of the same training.
We have trained our young adult children.
My wife is a rancher who knows her way around a shotgun, livestock, sutures and tools, hurricanes and floods, and works in investigations professionally.
Our current house guest is another veteran.
This means if anything happens at the house, and last year we had a lightning strike, a tornado and a flood within 10 days’ we’re pretty well prepared.
Now, we’re probably better off than 95% of the households out there. The level of disaster that necessitates backup varies.
If we find it necessary to call 911, it means the party is in progress and it’s bad.
You will probably not be going home safe at the end of your shift.
And you know what? If it gets to that point, I really don’t give a shit. I don’t give a shit if you get smoked. I don’t give a shit if you fall under a tree. I don’t give a shit if you get shot at.
Because at that point, I’ve done everything I can with that same circumstance, and run out of resources.
If my concern was “you going home safe,” then I’d just fucking hunker down and die. Because I wouldn’t want that poor responder to endanger himself.
Except, that’s what I pay taxes for, and that’s what you signed up for. Just like I signed up to walk into a potential nuke war in Germany and hold off the Soviets, and did walk into the Middle East and prepare to take fire while keeping expensive equipment functioning so our shooters could keep shooting.
There’s not a single set of orders I got that said my primary job was to “Come home safe.” They said it was to “support the mission” or “complete the objective.” Coming home safe was the ideal outcome, but entirely secondary to “supporting” or “completing.” Nor, once that started, did I get a choice to quit. Once in, all in.
When that 80 year old lady smells smoke or hears a noise outside her first floor bedroom in the ghetto, she doesn’t care if you go home safe, either. She’s afraid she or the kids next door won’t wake up in the morning.
If I call, I expect your ass to show up, sober, trained, professional. I expect you to wade in with me or in place of me, and drag a child out of a hole, or out from a burning room, or actually stand up and block bullets from hitting said child, because by the time you get there, I’ll have already done all that. And there will be field dressings, chainsawed trees, buckets and empty brass scattered about.
I don’t want to hear some drunk and confused guy squirming on the ground playing “Simon Says” terrified you so much you had to blow him away. I don’t want to hear that some random guy 35 yards away who you had no actual information on , may have reached toward his waist band. Or that “the tree might fall any moment” or that “the smoke makes it hard to see.”
Near as I can tell, I don’t hear the smokejumpers, or the firefighters, or the disaster rescue people say such things.
But it’s all I ever hear from the cops. If you and your five girlfriends in body armor, with rifles, are that terrified of actually risking your life for the theoretically dangerous job you volunteered for and can quit any time, then please do quit.
You can get a job doing pest control and go home safe every night.
Until a bunch of fucking pussies with big tattoos, small dicks, body armor and guns blow you away for minding your own business.
Because what you’re telling me with that statement is, your only concern is cashing a check. That’s fine. But if that’s your concern, don’t pretend you’re serving the public. If you wanted to help people at risk of life, you would be a firefighter, running into buildings, dragging people out, getting scorched regularly.
If you’re cool with writing tickets, then there’s jobs where you can do just that.
If you want to tangle with bad guys and blow them away, fair enough. But understand: That means they get to shoot first to prove their intent, just as happens with the military these days. Our ROE these days are usually “only if fired upon and no civilians are at risk.”
If your plan is “shoot first, shoot later, shoot some more, then if anyone is still alive try to ask questions,” and bleat, “But I was afeard fer mah lahf!” you’re absolutely no better than the thugs you claim to oppose. All you are is another combatant in a turf war I don’t care about.
Since I know your primary concern is “being safe,” then I’ll do you the favor of not calling. Cash your welfare check, and try not to shoot me at a “courtesy” sobriety checkpoint for “twitching my eye “in a way that suggested range estimation.
If you’re one of the vanishingly few cops who isn’t like that, then what the hell are you doing about it? If there’s going to be a lawsuit costing the city millions, isn’t it better that it be a labor suit from the union over the clown you fired, than a wrongful death suit over the poor bastard the clown shot? Both are expensive, but one has a dead victim you enabled. So how much do you actually care about that life?
How is the training so bad that it’s not clear who is the scene commander who gives the orders?
How is it that trigger happy bozos who, out of costume, look no different from the gangbangers you claim to oppose, get sent up front to fulfill their wish of hosing someone down because “I was afraid for my life!”?
Why does the rot exist in your department?
If you can’t do anything about it, why are you still in that department?
At some point, collective guilt is a thing.
You’ve probably not been a good cop for a long time.
And I still don’t care if you go home safe. I care that everyone you purport to “serve and protect” goes home safe.
Two decades of military 'experience' means you are getting old and no longer able to put it to good use.
"Training" must be continuous otherwise you grow rusty, forget and obsolete. Its not once and done.
You can't really 'prep' because what you will ultimately need can't be bought or stored. 1000 gallons of gasoline is worthless if you have an abcessed tooth in your bunker.Replies: @anarchyst, @nebulafox
Cement Jungles or Concrete Congos or both? Burnham people make good baked beans too.
The Concrete Congos are gonna get worse and the Concrete Congos in the Swamp City DC area are gonna be the worst of the worst and Muttonhead Murray just wrote a book that makes the case for low Black innate IQ and the only way to counterattack the Democrat Party storyline of so-called “racism” accounting for the racial school test gap is to say matter of factly that the Blacks are on average less intelligent than Whites and Asians(Chinese, Koreans, Japanese).
The billionaires and the multi-millionaires and the Upper Middle Class Snot Brats are using Blacks as a shield to prevent the proper focus of financial plundering and wealth concentration in the hands of the top ten percent.
The hostile Blacks are merciful; the billionaires and the multi-millionaires and the Upper Middle Class Snot Brats are the dreaded enemy.
Obama and Biden and Hillary Clinton and Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer are Democrat Party hypocrites who use Blacks as a shield to give cover to the plundering of the USA by money-grubbing top ten percent wealth holder scum. Obama and Biden and Hillary Clinton live in wealthy areas free of Blacks because Obama and Biden and Hillary Clinton will do everything in their power to avoid having any interactions at all with Blacks.
The Republican Party exists partly to capture and make docile any attempt to dislodge the JEW/WASP Ruling Class of the American Empire from power. The Republican Party exists partly to prevent Whites from advancing their own interests as Whites. The evil ruling class of the GOP must be obliterated.
Blacks are hypocrites too because plenty of Blacks do everything in their power to avoid having to live around large concentrations of Blacks.
Jews have a disproportionate control over the propaganda apparatus in the USA.
Blacks are the violent perpetrators of a disproportionate amount of violent crime in the USA.
Have a nice day.
Could just be kids with fireworks or a car backfiring.
Get the cranes and the pre-stressed cement slab bullet shields up pronto. Interesting to see process of cement slab manufacturing with the taught steel cables running through the cement pan forms and they just pop those suckers into place for bridges and the like and now to hold down casualties from Black Bullet Ebullient Vibrancy.
The American Empire used the cement slabs for Iraq and they worked for stopping bullets I guess.
Get the cranes and the pre-stressed cement slab bullet shields up pronto. Interesting to see process of cement slab manufacturing with the TAUT steel cables running through the cement pan forms and they just pop those suckers into place for bridges and the like and now to hold down casualties from Black Bullet Ebullient Vibrancy.
The steel was very learned, erudite even, but the steel wasn't showy about it.
Didn’t Hegel say to not bother with Black history because the sub-Saharan Blacks didn’t write much history down?
The Blacks chased the pygmies into some forest or something during Bantu expansion, that’s nothing to sneeze at even if sneezing season is hitting USA pretty good.
The question has weird wording. “just because” the police officer is being pounded with fists…. As if that amounts to putting a flower in his gun barrel.
True, it sucks how police punish the law abiders defending their property and life, while they ignore anarchists tearing down statues, committing arson, etc. At the very least something is very wrong with their leadership.
White proles don’t have too many options. The military today musters most out after a few enlistments. Private security is a joke as a career, earn minimum wage to guard a Costco?
The fact is, as a career, considering the options, policing is a good career choice for proles. Decent salary, regimented advancement, pension after 20 (if so desired), and healthcare for life. The prole can’t match that in private industry.
There will always be plenty of white proles around to do America’s policing and other dirty work.
These tough guys are ruthless against polite Christians, law abiding conservatives and even brutalize the elderly and disable. But all their bravado goes out the window when they face up against a negro or antifa mob burning, looting and terrorizing entire cities.
Then they all rush beneath their beds and wear their wife's panties while trembling.Replies: @anon, @Corvinus
Please view the vids in this article. Pay attention to the bodycam of the cop who keeps advancing towards gunfire. This incident was not reported on the national US media, can anyone explain why? The answer should be obvious.
https://nationalfile.com/video-bodycams-capture-police-shootout-in-baltimore-after-man-blows-up-his-own-house/
Now, tell us all how you would handle “crazy guy who blows up part of his house and starts shooting at neighbors”. With or without your wife’s panties, as you prefer.
Thanks.
Hmm…you don’t often see blacks, Asians, and Hispanics all polling evenly on something and whites polling alone and so differently. Wonder what that says.
“The police” may be a stand-in for white authority–the former USA, and significantly fewer non-whites believe it is ok for whites to hit back.
Have you ever started or run a business?
No One Cares If You Go Home Safe At The End Of Your Shift
Jan 02, 201812:50AM
Category: Politics
Posted by: Michael Z. Williamson
Here at the house, I have a couple of decades plus of military experience. I have tools to dig in or out of natural disasters. I have extinguishers and hoses. I have a field trauma kit and bandages. I have weapons both melee and firearm. I know how to use them. I know how to trench, support and revet. I understand the fire triangle and appropriate approaches. I understand breathing, bleeding and shock. I know how to detain, restrain and control. I have done all of these at least occasionally, professionally. I've stood on top of a collapsing levee in a flood. I've fought a structure fire from inside so we could get everyone out before the fire department showed up, which only took two minutes, but people can die that fast. I've had structures collapse while I was working on them. I've been in an aircraft that had a "mechanical" on approach and had to be repaired in-flight before landing. I've helped control a brush fire. I've hauled disabled vehicles out of ditches in sub-zero weather.
My ex wife has over a decade of service and some of the same training.
We have trained our young adult children.
My wife is a rancher who knows her way around a shotgun, livestock, sutures and tools, hurricanes and floods, and works in investigations professionally.
Our current house guest is another veteran.
This means if anything happens at the house, and last year we had a lightning strike, a tornado and a flood within 10 days' we're pretty well prepared.
Now, we're probably better off than 95% of the households out there. The level of disaster that necessitates backup varies.
If we find it necessary to call 911, it means the party is in progress and it's bad.
You will probably not be going home safe at the end of your shift.
And you know what? If it gets to that point, I really don't give a shit. I don't give a shit if you get smoked. I don't give a shit if you fall under a tree. I don't give a shit if you get shot at.
Because at that point, I've done everything I can with that same circumstance, and run out of resources.
If my concern was "you going home safe," then I'd just fucking hunker down and die. Because I wouldn't want that poor responder to endanger himself.
Except, that's what I pay taxes for, and that's what you signed up for. Just like I signed up to walk into a potential nuke war in Germany and hold off the Soviets, and did walk into the Middle East and prepare to take fire while keeping expensive equipment functioning so our shooters could keep shooting.
There's not a single set of orders I got that said my primary job was to "Come home safe." They said it was to "support the mission" or "complete the objective." Coming home safe was the ideal outcome, but entirely secondary to "supporting" or "completing." Nor, once that started, did I get a choice to quit. Once in, all in.
When that 80 year old lady smells smoke or hears a noise outside her first floor bedroom in the ghetto, she doesn't care if you go home safe, either. She's afraid she or the kids next door won't wake up in the morning.
If I call, I expect your ass to show up, sober, trained, professional. I expect you to wade in with me or in place of me, and drag a child out of a hole, or out from a burning room, or actually stand up and block bullets from hitting said child, because by the time you get there, I'll have already done all that. And there will be field dressings, chainsawed trees, buckets and empty brass scattered about.
I don't want to hear some drunk and confused guy squirming on the ground playing "Simon Says" terrified you so much you had to blow him away. I don't want to hear that some random guy 35 yards away who you had no actual information on , may have reached toward his waist band. Or that "the tree might fall any moment" or that "the smoke makes it hard to see."
Near as I can tell, I don't hear the smokejumpers, or the firefighters, or the disaster rescue people say such things.
But it's all I ever hear from the cops. If you and your five girlfriends in body armor, with rifles, are that terrified of actually risking your life for the theoretically dangerous job you volunteered for and can quit any time, then please do quit.
You can get a job doing pest control and go home safe every night.
Until a bunch of fucking pussies with big tattoos, small dicks, body armor and guns blow you away for minding your own business.
Because what you're telling me with that statement is, your only concern is cashing a check. That's fine. But if that's your concern, don't pretend you're serving the public. If you wanted to help people at risk of life, you would be a firefighter, running into buildings, dragging people out, getting scorched regularly.
If you're cool with writing tickets, then there's jobs where you can do just that.
If you want to tangle with bad guys and blow them away, fair enough. But understand: That means they get to shoot first to prove their intent, just as happens with the military these days. Our ROE these days are usually "only if fired upon and no civilians are at risk."
If your plan is "shoot first, shoot later, shoot some more, then if anyone is still alive try to ask questions," and bleat, "But I was afeard fer mah lahf!" you're absolutely no better than the thugs you claim to oppose. All you are is another combatant in a turf war I don't care about.
Since I know your primary concern is "being safe," then I'll do you the favor of not calling. Cash your welfare check, and try not to shoot me at a "courtesy" sobriety checkpoint for "twitching my eye "in a way that suggested range estimation.
If you're one of the vanishingly few cops who isn't like that, then what the hell are you doing about it? If there's going to be a lawsuit costing the city millions, isn't it better that it be a labor suit from the union over the clown you fired, than a wrongful death suit over the poor bastard the clown shot? Both are expensive, but one has a dead victim you enabled. So how much do you actually care about that life?
How is the training so bad that it's not clear who is the scene commander who gives the orders?
How is it that trigger happy bozos who, out of costume, look no different from the gangbangers you claim to oppose, get sent up front to fulfill their wish of hosing someone down because "I was afraid for my life!"?
Why does the rot exist in your department?
If you can't do anything about it, why are you still in that department?
At some point, collective guilt is a thing.
You've probably not been a good cop for a long time.
And I still don't care if you go home safe. I care that everyone you purport to "serve and protect" goes home safe.Replies: @UNIT472, @WJ
John Donne said no man is an island and he was right so we remember him.
Two decades of military ‘experience’ means you are getting old and no longer able to put it to good use.
“Training” must be continuous otherwise you grow rusty, forget and obsolete. Its not once and done.
You can’t really ‘prep’ because what you will ultimately need can’t be bought or stored. 1000 gallons of gasoline is worthless if you have an abcessed tooth in your bunker.
How can preparing for disasters be counterproductive or negative? How can preparing for adverse events by storing goods be a negative?
It is apparent that you never served in the military and have never been in any adverse situations in which you had to defend your own life and others.
When the SHTF, just see how many of your neighbors would "turn on you" when the situation gets desperate.
One is more likely to survive an adverse event by being prepared and not making a lot of "friends"...taking care of one's self and family comes first.
When the SHTF, you will probably be the first to perish...
Two decades of military 'experience' means you are getting old and no longer able to put it to good use.
"Training" must be continuous otherwise you grow rusty, forget and obsolete. Its not once and done.
You can't really 'prep' because what you will ultimately need can't be bought or stored. 1000 gallons of gasoline is worthless if you have an abcessed tooth in your bunker.Replies: @anarchyst, @nebulafox
You are wrong. Military training is so intense that it actually stays with one for life.
How can preparing for disasters be counterproductive or negative? How can preparing for adverse events by storing goods be a negative?
It is apparent that you never served in the military and have never been in any adverse situations in which you had to defend your own life and others.
When the SHTF, just see how many of your neighbors would “turn on you” when the situation gets desperate.
One is more likely to survive an adverse event by being prepared and not making a lot of “friends”…taking care of one’s self and family comes first.
When the SHTF, you will probably be the first to perish…
Contact Erik Prince. He’s known as being on the “up and up”.
My partners include men who were formerly: a Green Beret, an FBI official, a CIA officer who served in the Pak-Afghan border region, etc. - all with experience in providing protection in adverse political conditions.
We aren't going to provide mall cops who patrol gated communities.Replies: @Corvinus
These tough guys are ruthless against polite Christians, law abiding conservatives and even brutalize the elderly and disable. But all their bravado goes out the window when they face up against a negro or antifa mob burning, looting and terrorizing entire cities.
Then they all rush beneath their beds and wear their wife's panties while trembling.Replies: @anon, @Corvinus
Join Twinkie’s private security company. You will have license to run roughshod over your enemies. I mean, you have the bona fides when it comes to dealing with Antifa and their assorted mystery meat pals, right, Internet Armchair Warrior?
I interacted and lived with with proto-Antifa types in a previous life. Believe me: they are not physically intimidating. Many have substance abuse problems, mental illnesses, or both that tend to get in the way of that. And, like most bullies, they are deep down a rather cowardly lot. They tend to get skittish when faced with actual resistance unless it’s 10 on 1 numbers in their favor.
Two decades of military 'experience' means you are getting old and no longer able to put it to good use.
"Training" must be continuous otherwise you grow rusty, forget and obsolete. Its not once and done.
You can't really 'prep' because what you will ultimately need can't be bought or stored. 1000 gallons of gasoline is worthless if you have an abcessed tooth in your bunker.Replies: @anarchyst, @nebulafox
I don’t necessarily agree. Although you are never going to be physically capable of doing at 50 what you did at 20, you often don’t lose some of the mental maps you formed during basic training. I’ve seen homeless guys addicted to drugs who still kept fastidious, because Parris Island left that mark indelibly in their brains.
Besides physical fitness and aggression, militaries around the world like young men because their minds are still forming. You can slap habits onto them easier, habits that stick around. But mind, I’m speaking in a context of a mostly obese America, where a reasonably in shape middle aged person can probably-sadly-run rings around well over half of 20-somethings and teens, bare minimum.
That said, I agree with the overall sentiment. It’s a lesson people are about to learn the hard way, myself included. (I already have, really.)
You are correct that good habits and conditioning can be indoctrinated in youth and early adulthood. Moreover, certain, useful attitudes and awareness can be hammered into the psyche that will, indeed, last a lifetime. And it's exceptionally hard to beat those who have been training since childhood, because their whole bodies and minds are optimized for those tasks.
However, Unit472 is also correct. Many specific military- and combat-oriented and -relevant skills are perishable and require constant practice. I always laugh when I see, in movies or TV shows, some supposed former federal Ninja who lives alone in the boonies come alive and kick ass when attacked by (usually racist white) townies. Really? What's he been doing, Katas (forms) in his home gym? Even professional cage fighters have ring rust and don't fight as well when they come back from injury and recovery for several months - somehow some lone recluse with zero practice against a live, resisting training partner for the past ten years is suddenly going to unleash a magic death touch technique he learned in Q Course? It's comical.
I absolutely rocked land navigation when I was younger. My knowledge is still there, more or less, but I still need to practice "live" in the woods to put my "algorithms" to good use. Same thing with shooting - still need lots of daily dryfiring, lots of range time, and lots of shooting in the woods with all the variable ambient conditions, not to mention with movement, dehydration, fatigue, stress, etc.
This was why the Spartiate peers, man for man, always beat his part-time counterparts from other Greek city-states and then some. Fighting is not a part-time activity - it requires constant training and the attendant, particular lifestyle.
I'll end with a funny story. A SWAT team on the West Coast that shall remain nameless used to go to do paintball fights every year against the staff team at an outdoor paintball arena (it's on a forested mountain). The team got its ass kicked - every. single. time. Why? That staff team guys play on that terrain pretty much everyday. They know every inch of the ground and have been playing together (as a team) for years and years and are a finely-tuned machine (and, yes, they have that home turf advantage and often modify the terrain to their benefit).
It's not for nothing that the founder of Seecamp pocket pistols once said that playing paintball prepares one for a real gun fight better than firing off thousands of rounds at a gun range.
1. I know him. 2. He’s little busy right now.
My partners include men who were formerly: a Green Beret, an FBI official, a CIA officer who served in the Pak-Afghan border region, etc. – all with experience in providing protection in adverse political conditions.
We aren’t going to provide mall cops who patrol gated communities.
I am going to split the difference between you and Unit472.
You are correct that good habits and conditioning can be indoctrinated in youth and early adulthood. Moreover, certain, useful attitudes and awareness can be hammered into the psyche that will, indeed, last a lifetime. And it’s exceptionally hard to beat those who have been training since childhood, because their whole bodies and minds are optimized for those tasks.
However, Unit472 is also correct. Many specific military- and combat-oriented and -relevant skills are perishable and require constant practice. I always laugh when I see, in movies or TV shows, some supposed former federal Ninja who lives alone in the boonies come alive and kick ass when attacked by (usually racist white) townies. Really? What’s he been doing, Katas (forms) in his home gym? Even professional cage fighters have ring rust and don’t fight as well when they come back from injury and recovery for several months – somehow some lone recluse with zero practice against a live, resisting training partner for the past ten years is suddenly going to unleash a magic death touch technique he learned in Q Course? It’s comical.
I absolutely rocked land navigation when I was younger. My knowledge is still there, more or less, but I still need to practice “live” in the woods to put my “algorithms” to good use. Same thing with shooting – still need lots of daily dryfiring, lots of range time, and lots of shooting in the woods with all the variable ambient conditions, not to mention with movement, dehydration, fatigue, stress, etc.
This was why the Spartiate peers, man for man, always beat his part-time counterparts from other Greek city-states and then some. Fighting is not a part-time activity – it requires constant training and the attendant, particular lifestyle.
I’ll end with a funny story. A SWAT team on the West Coast that shall remain nameless used to go to do paintball fights every year against the staff team at an outdoor paintball arena (it’s on a forested mountain). The team got its ass kicked – every. single. time. Why? That staff team guys play on that terrain pretty much everyday. They know every inch of the ground and have been playing together (as a team) for years and years and are a finely-tuned machine (and, yes, they have that home turf advantage and often modify the terrain to their benefit).
It’s not for nothing that the founder of Seecamp pocket pistols once said that playing paintball prepares one for a real gun fight better than firing off thousands of rounds at a gun range.
There is still a lot of nepotism in small town police departments/sheriff’s offices, but in many cities, especially relatively desirable ones, the requirements (or desired experiences) have been climbing up – college degree, military experience, etc.
The phrase “Just because” in the heading of the last chart gives one a clue that there may be bias at play here.
My favourite scene was this one from the George Floyd riots of guys looting and in one case, ghost riding squad cars right past police.
Could just be kids with fireworks or a car backfiring.
Get the cranes and the pre-stressed cement slab bullet shields up pronto. Interesting to see process of cement slab manufacturing with the taught steel cables running through the cement pan forms and they just pop those suckers into place for bridges and the like and now to hold down casualties from Black Bullet Ebullient Vibrancy.
The American Empire used the cement slabs for Iraq and they worked for stopping bullets I guess.Replies: @Charles Pewitt
Get the cranes and the pre-stressed cement slab bullet shields up pronto. Interesting to see process of cement slab manufacturing with the taught steel cables running through the cement pan forms and they just pop those suckers into place for bridges and the like and now to hold down casualties from Black Bullet Ebullient Vibrancy.
Get the cranes and the pre-stressed cement slab bullet shields up pronto. Interesting to see process of cement slab manufacturing with the TAUT steel cables running through the cement pan forms and they just pop those suckers into place for bridges and the like and now to hold down casualties from Black Bullet Ebullient Vibrancy.
The steel was very learned, erudite even, but the steel wasn’t showy about it.
Us Us Us and Them Them Them — The top ten percent loot holders are using Blacks as a shield to give cover to the top ten percent loot holders’ financial plundering of everybody else.
The billionaire plutocrats and the multi-millionaires and the Upper Middle Class Snot Brats and the JEW/WASP Ruling Class of the American Empire are evil and they must be removed from power.
Raise the federal funds rate to 6 percent and dramatically reduce the bloated balance sheet of the Fed and stop the asset purchases and all the other monetary policy machinations and that will financially liquidate the top ten percent loot holders and that will topple the ruling class from power.
Happy Memorial Day!
Yes, but that’s not relevant. I’m not questioning your ability to provide the service and make money. I’m questioning the advisability of responding to the current social situation around policing by recreating the thing people hate and want to attack and sue as a private entity that doesn’t enjoy any protective privileges. You sometimes talk about quality training, which is something you might be able to do better, but I don’t think training can solve the problem the police have.
My partners include men who were formerly: a Green Beret, an FBI official, a CIA officer who served in the Pak-Afghan border region, etc. - all with experience in providing protection in adverse political conditions.
We aren't going to provide mall cops who patrol gated communities.Replies: @Corvinus
“1. I know him.”
Really? OK, I’ll bite. How well do you know him?
“2. He’s little busy right now.”
Indeed. He’s trying to remove the stench of Blackwater while staying one step ahead of the law. Doing business with him is not a wise move for people seeking to enter the security industry.
“My partners include men who were formerly: a Green Beret, an FBI official, a CIA officer who served in the Pak-Afghan border region, etc. – all with experience in providing protection in adverse political conditions.”
So, Swamp Creatures and Deep Staters. Great company to keep!
“We aren’t going to provide mall cops who patrol gated communities.”
The U.S. already has enough private security firms in the mix, thank you very much.
If you do not want private security firms spawning up to fill the void, do not castrate public security.
Just like how if you make policy questions that most Americans want discussed verboten in mainstream politics out of a mix of donor wishes and stale ideology, do not be surprised when fringe characters eventually emerge to address them.
Police reform in action….
PEACE 😇
No One Cares If You Go Home Safe At The End Of Your Shift
Jan 02, 201812:50AM
Category: Politics
Posted by: Michael Z. Williamson
Here at the house, I have a couple of decades plus of military experience. I have tools to dig in or out of natural disasters. I have extinguishers and hoses. I have a field trauma kit and bandages. I have weapons both melee and firearm. I know how to use them. I know how to trench, support and revet. I understand the fire triangle and appropriate approaches. I understand breathing, bleeding and shock. I know how to detain, restrain and control. I have done all of these at least occasionally, professionally. I've stood on top of a collapsing levee in a flood. I've fought a structure fire from inside so we could get everyone out before the fire department showed up, which only took two minutes, but people can die that fast. I've had structures collapse while I was working on them. I've been in an aircraft that had a "mechanical" on approach and had to be repaired in-flight before landing. I've helped control a brush fire. I've hauled disabled vehicles out of ditches in sub-zero weather.
My ex wife has over a decade of service and some of the same training.
We have trained our young adult children.
My wife is a rancher who knows her way around a shotgun, livestock, sutures and tools, hurricanes and floods, and works in investigations professionally.
Our current house guest is another veteran.
This means if anything happens at the house, and last year we had a lightning strike, a tornado and a flood within 10 days' we're pretty well prepared.
Now, we're probably better off than 95% of the households out there. The level of disaster that necessitates backup varies.
If we find it necessary to call 911, it means the party is in progress and it's bad.
You will probably not be going home safe at the end of your shift.
And you know what? If it gets to that point, I really don't give a shit. I don't give a shit if you get smoked. I don't give a shit if you fall under a tree. I don't give a shit if you get shot at.
Because at that point, I've done everything I can with that same circumstance, and run out of resources.
If my concern was "you going home safe," then I'd just fucking hunker down and die. Because I wouldn't want that poor responder to endanger himself.
Except, that's what I pay taxes for, and that's what you signed up for. Just like I signed up to walk into a potential nuke war in Germany and hold off the Soviets, and did walk into the Middle East and prepare to take fire while keeping expensive equipment functioning so our shooters could keep shooting.
There's not a single set of orders I got that said my primary job was to "Come home safe." They said it was to "support the mission" or "complete the objective." Coming home safe was the ideal outcome, but entirely secondary to "supporting" or "completing." Nor, once that started, did I get a choice to quit. Once in, all in.
When that 80 year old lady smells smoke or hears a noise outside her first floor bedroom in the ghetto, she doesn't care if you go home safe, either. She's afraid she or the kids next door won't wake up in the morning.
If I call, I expect your ass to show up, sober, trained, professional. I expect you to wade in with me or in place of me, and drag a child out of a hole, or out from a burning room, or actually stand up and block bullets from hitting said child, because by the time you get there, I'll have already done all that. And there will be field dressings, chainsawed trees, buckets and empty brass scattered about.
I don't want to hear some drunk and confused guy squirming on the ground playing "Simon Says" terrified you so much you had to blow him away. I don't want to hear that some random guy 35 yards away who you had no actual information on , may have reached toward his waist band. Or that "the tree might fall any moment" or that "the smoke makes it hard to see."
Near as I can tell, I don't hear the smokejumpers, or the firefighters, or the disaster rescue people say such things.
But it's all I ever hear from the cops. If you and your five girlfriends in body armor, with rifles, are that terrified of actually risking your life for the theoretically dangerous job you volunteered for and can quit any time, then please do quit.
You can get a job doing pest control and go home safe every night.
Until a bunch of fucking pussies with big tattoos, small dicks, body armor and guns blow you away for minding your own business.
Because what you're telling me with that statement is, your only concern is cashing a check. That's fine. But if that's your concern, don't pretend you're serving the public. If you wanted to help people at risk of life, you would be a firefighter, running into buildings, dragging people out, getting scorched regularly.
If you're cool with writing tickets, then there's jobs where you can do just that.
If you want to tangle with bad guys and blow them away, fair enough. But understand: That means they get to shoot first to prove their intent, just as happens with the military these days. Our ROE these days are usually "only if fired upon and no civilians are at risk."
If your plan is "shoot first, shoot later, shoot some more, then if anyone is still alive try to ask questions," and bleat, "But I was afeard fer mah lahf!" you're absolutely no better than the thugs you claim to oppose. All you are is another combatant in a turf war I don't care about.
Since I know your primary concern is "being safe," then I'll do you the favor of not calling. Cash your welfare check, and try not to shoot me at a "courtesy" sobriety checkpoint for "twitching my eye "in a way that suggested range estimation.
If you're one of the vanishingly few cops who isn't like that, then what the hell are you doing about it? If there's going to be a lawsuit costing the city millions, isn't it better that it be a labor suit from the union over the clown you fired, than a wrongful death suit over the poor bastard the clown shot? Both are expensive, but one has a dead victim you enabled. So how much do you actually care about that life?
How is the training so bad that it's not clear who is the scene commander who gives the orders?
How is it that trigger happy bozos who, out of costume, look no different from the gangbangers you claim to oppose, get sent up front to fulfill their wish of hosing someone down because "I was afraid for my life!"?
Why does the rot exist in your department?
If you can't do anything about it, why are you still in that department?
At some point, collective guilt is a thing.
You've probably not been a good cop for a long time.
And I still don't care if you go home safe. I care that everyone you purport to "serve and protect" goes home safe.Replies: @UNIT472, @WJ
Idiotic boomercon shit. If a person pulls a gun, the cop has no obligation to take a round. If a person such as the gentle giant in Ferguson attacks a cop,then the cop has no obligation to take the beating or , in my opinion, even get in a physical altercation. He has full authority to shoot the clown. And I dont even like cops. No way you anyone to take a job where they have to get their face pounded in when a perfectly good Glock would work.
https://twitter.com/FOX29philly/status/1267186742207164423Replies: @WJ
As someone else said, if the cops won’t protect their stuff from these bastards then they sure as hell won’t care about you.