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they didn’t even bother with a pretence of a primary the second time.

  • Fusselwurm@feddit.org
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    4 hours ago

    No.

    We are where we are because a sizable portion of the population is in the habit of preferring the worst kind of propaganda over facts.

    Any person with half a brain cell was able to see that Trump would be so much worse than Harris.

  • Sanctus@anarchist.nexus
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    4 hours ago

    The downvotes are mad. “I do not support Israel’s genocide in Gaza” was all she had to say for a landslide and she couldn’t even lie about that.

    • AbsolutelyNotAVelociraptor@piefed.social
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      4 hours ago

      Meanwhile, Pedohitler went with “I’m gonna rape kids, I’m gonna rob money, I’m gonna cut your rights, and deport every non white person of the country, I’m gonna install a paramilitary force to beat you all, and I have a book that’s basically nazism 2.0 (great guy, btw) to start applying from the first day”.

      But apparently, the issue is with the lady that wasn’t good enough. The US is an infirm society in which around 60% of the people voting decided that Hitler was better than a imperfect woman.

      • Klear@quokk.au
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        2 hours ago

        I remember when Biden was still the candidate and a ton of people were saying he should drop out of the race in favour of Harris. That sentiment ended in what feels like less than a week.

        I wonder if it was the same people calling for him to step down then who are stubbornly attacking her now.

        • Diva (she/her)@lemmy.mlOP
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          52 minutes ago

          He didn’t drop out until they had effectively prevented any internal challengers by waiting until the primary was over the make the switch to his hand-picked successor.

          If they had had an actual primary and not just ignored all the people protest voting ‘uncommitted’ in the joke one that they did have they wouldn’t have botched it as bad as they did. That’s on democratic leadership, not the voters.

      • Sanctus@anarchist.nexus
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        3 hours ago

        Thats cool, did Harris win on her platform? Did she sour thr left completely by parading with republicans and saying nothing will change? I’m not saying its better that fucken Trump won. I am saying its obvious why he did.

        • AbsolutelyNotAVelociraptor@piefed.social
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          3 hours ago

          “I’m not saying it’s better that he won, I’m saying that it’s normal that people voted for him instead than the woman that didn’t want to rape kids, nor rob money, nor cut your rights, nor deport every non white person of the country, nor install a paramilitary force to beat you all, nor install nazism 2.0 through the nazism handbook because she supported Israhell the same way the Pedohitler did”.

          More than 60% of the fucking people of that country decided that nazism was better than a woman. But the problem is that she wasn’t good enough. Not that HE was making Hitler a desirable option, not that HE was raping kids… No. It’s that she wasn’t good enough. LOL. LMAO even.

            • AbsolutelyNotAVelociraptor@piefed.social
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              3 hours ago

              Don’t get me wrong, I don’t even live in that shithole.

              It’s rich tho, coming to take the moral high ground saying that not voting for any of the candidates was better than having something that wasn’t Hitler with child-rapist traits. Anyone who could and didn’t vote for Harris is as guilty of what’s happening in the world as anyone who voted for Pedohitler.

              • Sanctus@anarchist.nexus
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                I didnt say you lived here. I said you were mad and you clearly are. Theres no moral high ground here. Everyone knows all you have to say to win by a landslide is “I will strike down Citizens United and take our massive military budget and cut it in half for healthcare and education” and thats it. But nobody at the helm wanta to say that because they’re greasing their own pockets with how it is now. You can be mad. It doesnt change reality that Harris also fucked that one up mad.

                • AbsolutelyNotAVelociraptor@piefed.social
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                  3 hours ago

                  Anyone who could and didn’t vote for Harris is as guilty of what’s happening in the world as anyone who voted for Pedohitler.

                  That’s it. That’s all. If you didn’t vote for Harris is because you think that she was as good (or bad) as Pedohitler. The rest is basically you making excuses to not face this reality.

    • Eldritch@piefed.world
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      3 hours ago

      Any candidate that had a chance of winning supported it unfortunately. It wasn’t optional. We’d much rather have to be dealing with Harris and her Zionist handlers over it than dimentia don flailing about though. Its a small distinction and no real comfort.

      But the humor isn’t lost on me, that the people that did less than nothing to improve the situation, nor attempt to start the revolution. Still continue to pretend to be more moral than the people who understood what was happening and didn’t want things to get worse.

      • Sanctus@anarchist.nexus
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        3 hours ago

        Idk. Maybe if us Americans werent completely checked out we could have rallied behind a third candidate when everyone else was peddling genocide. We can chop it up all day, but on the other side of it I dont see how its wrong to criticize what happened and why it did. People can be mad and we should. But that doesn’t mean it should turn into “IF EVERYONE JUST VOTED THIS WAY WE’D HAVE KEPT THE STATUS QUO REEEEEEEE” because that never reflects reality and is not helpful. Especially when 75% of thr country can’t be bothered. These things matter, campaign plans and actions matter, it sucks that the obvious fuckhead won by saying shit people wanted to hear but thats what happened.

        • Eldritch@piefed.world
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          2 hours ago

          Sure but why stop there. If things were perfect they’d be perfect! Not to mention I think the fact that third parties are not historically viable in national elections are why we’re here and not the solution. They absolutely should be but that’s not the world we live in unfortunately.

          Call me utilitarian if you want. But I’m of the mind but if I had the means to take solid action to save a few. It’s more moral than taking a stance virtue signaling and saving none. That’s my praxis. For instance if you were in the region. Down in the Mediterranean and had a small boat that could hold 20 to 100 people. Would you go in and try to sneak out 20 to 100 people at a time saving who you could. Or would that be immoral because you couldn’t save everyone. What was the goal in focused campaigning against Harris, and

          I don’t blame or begrudge people for feeling betrayed by Harris and the Democrats. But I genuinely wonder how many knew what the alternative actually was. Either way we need to start getting busy now. Not just for the midterms but positioning decent candidates for the 28 presidential as well. Otherwise the Overton Death March is only going to continue unabated. There are already positioning Harris and Newsom. Who are 100% horrible candidates that will still be better than anything Republicans are going to put forth. Call me misguided but I think Bernie Sanders was really cooking and we should follow his lead. DSA in my Democratic primary it could work out better than you think

          • Diva (she/her)@lemmy.mlOP
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            36 minutes ago

            I don’t blame or begrudge people for feeling betrayed by Harris and the Democrats.

            They have been betraying us, it’s more than a feeling. The democrats as a party are not invested in winning and have no principles they run on other than being ‘not trump’ while still being fully on board with war, empire, harsh border controls, and corporate monopolies.

            I find the people complaining about ‘both sides’ rhetoric and blaming nonvoters incredibly off-putting because they’re absolving a hostile party of its obvious negligence and preventing any lessons from being learned in the name of smug self-satisfaction.

            They’re more interested in scolding voters than reflecting on how the parties own actions led to them losing to a game show host, twice now.

          • Sanctus@anarchist.nexus
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            2 hours ago

            I voted for her and watched as she self dunked everything by campaigning in the dumbest way possible. That shit pushed me fully into anarchist beliefs. She should have had that in the bag. And no, I dont think it was any campaigns against her. I think her own campaign stepped on its own dick just fine.

            • Eldritch@piefed.world
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              2 hours ago

              Honestly I’m right there with you. Notice I’m not saying the Democrats are not to blame for any of this. They 100% are. But when Zionist and oligarch media start giving you attention you better double check your messaging. The focusing solely on Harris and not all candidates was an unforced error. That the media gleefully Amplified. The more of us that understand this the better things are going to be in the future.

              And welcome to the club. It doesn’t matter who was here first all that matters is that people continue to join.🤜🤛