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I love silly-Frieren being used this way.
It’s confident but self-deprecating. But mostly confident. Ahh~
I also did it because she regularly fights enemies that only use words as weapons, just like debateme trolls
She would say this to Aura, for sure.
Ad hominem doesn’t mean insults by the way.
Ad hominem: You’re wrong BECAUSE you’re ugly.
Insult: You’re wrong AND you’re ugly.
YouTube video - Stop Misusing Logical Fallacies
Appeal to authority, and you’re ugly
Ufff meta
you’re wrong because you’re stupid is a much healthier way to debate idiotic conservatives who just try to waste your time and energy
The problem is that they have a bunch of arguments that they think are so logical and amazing that if you do this. They will blame it on an unwillingness to debate and a lack of good arguments on your part. Which becomes a “radical leftist DISMANTLED by conservative student” video on YouTube with an AI thumbnail of you crying.
Better to say “since you clearly don’t know what you’re talking about let me explain in simple words” you do this and then say “now if you don’t mind, I have more important things to do” and walk off.
Important! Do not frame your argument in terms of kindness or empathy, but in terms of individual freedom and not wanting the government poking it’s nose where it shouldn’t belong. In other words use typically conservative devices to state your argument even if it sounds more stupid that way.
Nah, trying to rationally argue against fascist trolls is a mistake. Do not take their arguments logically because their arguments are just weapons they wield. Just say that their arguments are excuses to seem superior, and that they aren’t because they’re ugly and pathetic mother fuckers.
It’s not about debating them. It’s about humiliating them and then walking away before they have a chance to respond.
You should only try to do that if you actively want to clear up misinformation for other people at the same time. If you do that, you should also be baiting them into making a fool of themselves when they do respond. If they’re a less experienced or less dedicated troll, they’ll hang themselves on the noose you give them. This will not work if they’re actually good at it or if you are actually bad at it. Learning to judge what sort of person you’re talking to is hard, so if you’re not sure, just ask them to clarify what they said in a leading way.
they aren’t evil because they are stupid. but they are still both
honestly. no conservative will ever change their minds unless they choose to do so.
better to ignore them and build a better world without their input or consent. any energy and time wasted talking to them is energy and time that could have gone into something more productive.
Wanking counts as more productive than arguing with conservative trolls.
no conservative will ever change their minds unless they choose to do so.
And very rarely will we on the left have our minds changed by a conservative. Not these days.
the only minority a conservative will convince me to hate is the conservatives
“And” is one syllable shorter than “because”, even less effort wasted
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That’s an ad hominem
Your dad’s an ad hominem.
He’s a dad hominem. He’s puns and logic errors combined my childhood was awful
That’s an appeal to authority
“Ad hominem” means “I didn’t do any homework or understand the subject matter, and I felt humiliated when someone responded to me in a clear way that made me realize how obviously wrong I am; and any humility I have to experience as a result of our dialog is an attack on my personal character”
Like you don’t even have to be mean or call names, people legit respond “ad hominem” when your reply is something like “you should consider how your beliefs would hurt people,” since they believe it implies that 1. They are willing or capable to hurt people or allow them to be hurt as long as their individual views aren’t really challenged (probably true, but a harsh truth), or 2. Not considering others is an intellectual lack that is 1:1 a synonym for stupidity, only pointed out by equally cynical opponents in order to harm their argument, and by extension, bring into question their ability to even make convincing and accurate arguments; which is a sign of unintelligence.
Like people don’t even realize all the snap second assumptions we make about others in any social situation. Let alone, one where there is a difference of perspective, experience, politics, or even style.
I don’t wanna be like making up people to get mad at, but ive seen this like twice this week in argument threads, and experienced it directly in every which way. All I know is when someone throws out “ad hominem” I have never seen it used to call out a real fallacy. Sophistry minded debate bros only care about if an argument is perceived as true or not, and so lists of fallacies are nothing but a way to save face, to accuse someone else of being a cheater, when they start to lose the game they decided on playing.
That’s why you actually ad hominem them in response, or avoid getting baited in the first place. By their first response, you can usually tell what sort of person you’re dealing with.