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    • Soot [any]@hexbear.net
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      29 days ago

      Wow, I was not actually aware of this.

      Certainly in history class in the UK I got taught about the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact and NOTHING ELSE. I’ve already since learned (from here,) that the USSR wanted an anti-fascist alliance which western powers rejected. After more research now, I didn’t realise quite to what effort all of Europe was going to to actually sign pacts with Nazi Germany.

      All that conspiring to ally with the Nazis, suppress the USSR’s anti-fascism, and to isolate them entirely. Situation blows up in their face, the USSR then, almost single-handedly, saves the western world and wins the war with Germany.

      To then, half a century later, be like soypoint-2 HOW DARE THE USSR SPEAK TO THE NAZIS THIS PROVES THEY’RE JUST AS BAD is even greater hypocrisy than I thought. We didn’t just force them into it, we were already doing it ourselves years earlier.

      • Awoo [she/her]@hexbear.net
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        The capitalists wanted to use hitler as an attack dog against the soviet union. They were fine with what he was doing so long as the attack would go eastward. Winston Churchill made his opinions of fascists very clear to the italian fascists:

        “If I had been an Italian, I am sure I should have been whole-heartedly with you from start to finish in your triumphant struggle against the bestial appetites and passions of Leninism”.

        It was actually the signing of the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact that forced the west into siding with the Soviets, this pact made them realise Hitler was going to go west before going east. It forced the UK and France onto the side of the Soviets and it bought the Soviets crucial time to move their industries which were all very close to the border of Poland, they moved all of them up into the mountains. The Soviets may have been able to win at that time still but feared these industries were very vulnerable.

        • AssortedBiscuits [they/them]@hexbear.net
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          28 days ago

          it bought the Soviets crucial time to move their industries which were all very close to the border of Poland, they moved all of them up into the mountains. The Soviets may have been able to win at that time still but feared these industries were very vulnerable.

          Plus they were already at war with fascist Japan at the time. The pact was so the Soviet Union didn’t have to fight a two-front war against fascists in their European and Asian borders at the same time. The Soviet Union would then go on to sign a similar non-aggression pact with fascist Japan right before fascist Germany invaded the Soviet Union. And once fascist Germany was defeated, the Soviet Union would then violate their non-aggression pact with fascist Japan by invading Manchuria.

      • plinky [he/him]@hexbear.net
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        29 days ago

        the funniest tidbit is that poland annexed parts of czechoslovvakia in 1938 with germany, before its own partition. then they are whining about soviets

        • CascadeOfLight [he/him]@hexbear.net
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          AND the parts of Poland marked as the USSR’s sphere of influence in the M-R pact… Poland stole from the USSR in 1921!

          Those areas were taken from (and returned to) the Belarussian and Ukrainian SSRs, so you can also ask libs when Ukraine is going to be returning its occupied Polish land to the ‘rightful’ owners.

    • LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins [none/use name]@hexbear.net
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      28 days ago

      My chud coworker tried to gotcha me with “the Soviets trained nazi pilots!” or some nonsense and then it turns out they had a training program with weimar Germany

      Americans aren’t great with geography, math, science, or the progression of time

    • Cascadian Communist@lemmygrad.ml
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      25 days ago

      Look I read the entire book Trading With The Enemy and I understand there was no such thing as Nazi-Soviet collaboration, but the comment won’t load fully. I can’t see the sign

      • Rom [he/him]@hexbear.net
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        25 days ago
        the text

        Treaties signed with Hitler:

        1933 - UK, France, Italy - The Four Powers Pact

        1934 - Poland (in January) - Pilsudsky Pact

        1934 - Poland (in March) - German-Polish Trade Agreement

        1935 - UK - Anglo-German Naval Agreement 1936 - Japan - Anti-Comintern Pact

        1938 - UK (in Septenber) - German-British Non-Agression

        Pact 1938 - France (in December) - German-French Non-Agression Pact

        1939 - Lithuania (in March) - German-Lithuanian Non-Agression Pact

        1939 - Romania (in March) - German-Romanian Economical Treaty

        1939 - Danmark (in May) - German-Danish Non-Agression Pact

        1939 - Italy (in May) - Pact of Steel (Friendship and Alliance)

        1939 - Estonia (in June) - German-Estonian Non-Agression Pact

        1939 - Latvia (in July) - German-Latvian Non-Agression Pact

        1939 - the USSR (in August) - German-Soviet Non-Agression Pact

  • Johnny_Arson [she/her]@hexbear.net
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    29 days ago

    bluesky libs are something else. The comrades that stayed on twitter are just build different but the bsky libs just retreated further into an insular space. They have the thinnest skin.

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        Vienna (/viˈɛnə/ ⓘ vee-EN-ə;[8][9] German: Wien [viːn] ⓘ; Austro-Bavarian: Wean [veɐ̯n]) is the capital, most populous city, and one of the nine states of Austria.

        jesus christ

        i-am-adolf-hitler

        • PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml
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          Vienna was one of main dens of socialchauvinism ever since WW1, succdems love to cite it as example of successful socialdemocracy when in reality it was only successful in countering communists and sucking up to nazis and neonazis (which tbf is a purpose of socialdemocracy, so you can say it really was successful)

    • PKMKII [none/use name]@hexbear.net
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      29 days ago

      Even before the Nazis invaded, they were being ruled by fascist strongmen. (Although tbf, the Soviets were motivated by the strategic importance of gaining the Baltic ports, national interests were still a factor).

    • BimboChristmas [she/her]@hexbear.net
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      29 days ago

      Absolutely shocking differences in survival rates between areas occupied by the Soviets (Estonia) vs areas not (Lithuania and Latvia). Like Estonia always had a much smaller Jewish population, but they were also the only ones with a good route to flee East before the killing started.

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      28 days ago

      Several people I know are hysterical that China will take advantage of the chaos in the Middle East and invade Taiwan while the US has committed resources and my response is always; why?

      Why would China even bother taking a risk when it’s obvious to anyone paying attention the US is collapsing and all China has to do is wait them out.

      They are just running the clock down at this point.