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- conservative@lemm.ee
Trump inherited a very healthy economy from Biden. The giant shitstorm that he has created is to blame for everything negative.
Itās so extremely moronic that people voted for Trump because they thought he would fix inflation. š
Thank you! I was saying this back in 2022 when we had ārecord inflationā but also ārecord profits.ā That became too obvious to consumers so we had shrinkflation instead. But still the record profits.
Corps knew the average voter is dumb and used those prices to tank Harrisā campaign all because she had the gall to suggest a wealth tax, something they had snuffed out Bidenās chances with. Even if the president has no control over prices, people believe they do. It was over for this country the moment we got the Citizen United ruling. Things were being setup to make it easier to get, but that ruling allowed unmitigated greed to influence politics. Been a growing pool of unfathomable wealth and the leverage of that wealth since.
Oh somethings definitely been inflated though, and thatās C-suite exec salaries.
People act based on emotions, specifically feeling like theyāre part of the in-group. You know the old saying āWould you jump off a bridge if your friends all were jumping, too?ā Well, the answer is clearly yes. Most people are stupid like that.
I mean, we all are sometimes. Itās impossible to know and verify everything so we trust our friends. But for some people itās reached a toxic level of āvaccines are badā and ābanning books is goodā
joe rogan/shapiro/j peterson/tate/etc all had ahand in turning men/incels into rabid trump supporters. i know someone that was turned just this election as a trump supporters because he binges on UFC/ by extension alot of joe roegan podcasts.
Trump inherited a very healthy economy from Biden
:-/ He inherited a big stock number from Biden.
But the US economy has been losing steam since the turn of the century. First Enron/Worldcomm, then the Great Recession, then COVID⦠critical components of the industrial and service sector in the US have been falling apart for decades. Energy, housing, health care, manufacturing, education, agriculture, technology, news media⦠weāve been watching them consolidate ownership and corrode in quality well before Trump or Biden.
Itās so extremely moronic that people voted for Trump
Theyāve been brain blasted with stupid by mass media thatās screamed fascist ideology every year of their lives. Trump is a symptom of a public thatās been told to venerate wealth and celebrity. Democrats nominating an invalid who dropped out after the first debate certainly didnāt help, either.
Itās extremely moronic that the election system has been fully captured by crooks and frauds. But the only response ever seems to be āYou should have voted for the other guy.ā
Goddammit Iām tired of people equating the stock market, or even gdp with āthe economyā.
True, if very healthy means that the rate of decline for working class Americans was going down. Until that gets aggressively reversed, get ready for more and worse fascists every other election cycle. (For as long as free elections exist.)
You are confusing the issue by bringing another issue into it.
That working class is doing worse is another matter, and something that clearly already is getting worse under Trump.
Harris would have been better for working class in every way. And would have been a better platform for promoting more left wing politicians than letting Republicans win.You are arguing a very strange point, to a degree itās basically nonsensical.
Iām not comparing Biden to Trump. That is just too easy and kind of masturbatory. Yes, I agree Biden was better than Trump, and Harris would be too. The world is more complicated than āred bad, blue goodā. The important question is, when Trump is worse, why is he president?
Democrats can continue to be better than Republicans in every way, and it wonāt matter. Republicans have a narrative and Democrats donāt. That is the point that matters.
I knew with absolute certainty that Biden would be a one term president and be replaced by a far worse fascist. I didnāt know it would be Trump v2, and I didnāt know Biden would far exceed expectations, but I knew he wasnāt what we needed to turn off that path.
Democrats canāt keep repeating the same mistakes and getting surprised by the results.
I donāt see how that is relevant to the fact that Trump inherited a sound economy?
You claim the economy has nothing to do with the standard of living, inflation, or wages yet keep harping on about āhow good the economyā was as if that means anything to anyone outside the top 1%. Why?
You claim the economy has nothing to do with the standard of living,
Absolutely not, I have no idea how you got to that conclusion?
Itās relevant to why it didnāt matter.
Everything was going awesome under Biden. The economy was so great. Executives were making more than ever!
It is not incorrect to say the economy was doing well, nor is it wrong to say individual purchasing power was not following. āThe economyā is not, nor has it ever been, tied to wages. This is a problem, Trump is the opposite of a solution. Itās the equivalent of seeing a bank robbery and nuking the bank.
Thatās a completely different matter, the economy was doing fine, but there was inflation in the aftermath of Covid, which was steadily improving.
Choosing a moron narcissist like Trump will only make it worse for average people, so what exactly is your point?
That you are better off with Trump. š¤£š¤£š¤£not to mention trumps lifelong obsession with using tariffs to solve his problems.
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The economy wasnāt ādoing fineā for more than half the population.
You and them are about to find out how good it was⦠itās about to fall off a cliff for most
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The economy wasnāt ādoing fineā for more than half the population.
People who think like that are the reason Trump got elected.
the economy ā standard of living
The problem was purchasing power, wages, and inflation. Peopleās standard of living was suffering, but the āeconomyā wasnāt. Conflating the two is why Trumpās stupid rhetoric resonated so much with the uneducated Magats that voted him in: they thought he was promising to fix their standard of living, while the reality was that he was promising to āfixā something that wasnāt broken.
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Youāre making a very big leap in assuming I donāt condemn the Democrats and their attempt to convince voters everything is fine.
Theyāre a party led by geriatric, upper-class rulers. No shit, their doubling down on āthe economy is fineā didnāt workāthey donāt understand or care to understand what the people want. All they care about is what their corporate donors pay them to care about.
The failings of the Democrat Party donāt absolve rural conservatives and undereducated voters of their part in this, though. The literal definition of economy is the wealth and resources of a country as a whole. The economy was doing fine because we had our lovely billionaires and mega corporations consolidating all the wealth and skewing that number while the average person was under growing financial pressure.
The problem wasāand still isāthe wealth disparity. We have multimillionaires and billionaires absorbing more and more money from the 99% while paying a pittance back towards helping the people theyāre screwing. They get to dodge taxes by reinvesting their profits into assets they own, hoard resources, and act with impunity.
A voter base that took the time to understand what they were asking for would have seen straight through Trumpās sensationalist bullshit, not barreled straight into it. It should have been obvious that he wasnāt going to fix wealth disparity. He associates himself with the billionaires, he sees himself as one of them, and he wants to keep it that way. He doesnāt give a single shit about wealth disparity, let alone ever acknowledge it as the problem. Instead, he won his campaign on vague promises about a word that means something completely different to every Tom, Dick, and Harry that cast their ballot for him.
The economy wasnāt ādoing fineā for more than half the population.
Actually yes it was, there was inflation after covid, but that was steadily getting better.
Criticizing the ones that do better is not constructive, that just makes you sound like a fanatic MAGA Trump supporter.
Obviously things are way worse under Trump, and you have to buy only 2 dolls now! If you canāt see how that moron is malignant IDK what to tell.If you want more left wing politicians to succeed, the only option at elections right now is to support democrats, and push for more left wing candidates.
Itās extremely tiresome to hear the constant whining about how Biden wasnāt good enough, when he obviously was the better option at the time. Donāt blame Biden, blame the ignorant people who voted against their own interests to hurt others, like immigrants, lgbt, colored people and pregnant women. What they forget is that they become victims too, because Trump is also going after the poor and working class.
You are either working for Putin, or you are working against your own interests with posts like the response you made to the fact that Biden delivered a very healthy economy to Trump.
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Wages are still stagnant,
Wages were increasing more-quickly than inflation when Biden left office. We had a high rate of inflation, at which point inflation grew more quickly than wages, during the COVID-19 pandemic. That produces a decline in real wages. However, that relationship had reversed by the time Biden left office.
companies that are no longer paying their employees enough to live.
I just find another job with higher pay, I donāt expect or beg my current employer to pay me more. I move elsewhere if they donāt pay me enough. It is just business, nothing personal.
If my employer is not paying me what I can get elsewhere, including the rest of the world, I see that my boss is either cheating me or is incompetent. So I start interviewing new bosses and fire current boss as soon as I find a competent one.
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Raising wages with inflation can also cause issues as it can at times solidify the inflation thatās happened because now the cheapest thing to make now costs more to make such means people need more money to buy things.
Which is why whenever minimum wage increases it didnāt seem to actually fix anything, it just keeps the status quo where the working class are struggling, kept at the point of struggle. Itās like financial edging.
The issue that needs to actually get solved is for the rich to be less likely to hoard wealth and to stop paying c-suites exorbitant salaries, and actually being hard as fuck on their proposed taxes instead of letting them dodge it.
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hcol does not equal how well the economy is doing, is due to much different factors.
I donāt have any expectations, nor do I care if I understand inflation. If i get a higher paying job, i will be ahead of the inflation.
I donāt care what my current employer pays me, I do not negotiate. if i have to negotiate a higher salary with current employer i see that as evidence that my current employer being incompetent and not doing his job. This is ground for dismissal. So I find and move to a new company that pays my expected salary.
End of the day, my purchasing power must remain the same or increase.
So I just find a higher paying job that accepts my higher expected salary, fire my current boss, and move to the new job. It is not rocket science. It is just business, nothing personal. My service is a product, and its value rises with inflation.
In fact the moment I start any job i start looking for the next one. In this way I am always trying to upgrade my skill so that I can get the next job.
Donāt be loyal to your boss because they will never be loyal to you.
The economy was indeed going great by most measures. And donvict monkeywrenched almost on day one.
I know itās fashionable among a certain set of people to proclaim everything is awful no matter who is running the country butā¦it is just not factual.
Poverty is through the roof and the working class is struggling to meet ends.
One of the main reasons Democrats lost was pretending the economy is fine. At least Trump put in the effort to lie about fixing it.
Yep, inequality was up, cost of living was down. The economy was doing fine. What the democrats failed to see is that generally when the economy is doing well, the rising tide lifts all boats. In this instance, with post Covid inflation, the economy was not lifting all boats. It was making the asset rich wealthier while making day to day living harder for all that work for a living.
No one was pretending; we can all see the same data. Saying the economy was terrible under Biden is just not being realistic.
It was. It is worse under Trump but it was already terrible.
āTake all credit. Deny all responsibilityā
Privatize the good news. Socialize the bad news.
~ Carl Markets, 1984
Pretty sure Uncle Ben said āwith great power comes no responsibility, blame the democratsā
Wait, thereās a good part to the economy? š¤
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Well, I moved my money into stocks and bonds outside the U.S., so thereās that
Lmao same
A week later, but how did you do that? Curious for myself.
I just went into my account and sold everything and repurchase foreign bonds, stocks, etc. Itās still in U.S. currency. A step further, which is harder to do is actually open foreign accounts.
I bet the golden bidet business is booming
simple, the part where he made money from insider trading.
Iām just saying [children] donāt need to have 30 dolls, they can have three, they donāt need to have 250 pencils, they can have five,ā he added
This guy is so out of touch
The only people I can think of that buy 250 pencils at once are teachers.
Illustrators.
OnlyFans models
Oh god. Do I want to know�
So much for ācapitalism better because material wealth communism one toothbrushā etc etcā¦
Funny how things turned out
Which colours are my children allowed to have sir?
- GOP sycophants
āA good leader must be willing to take the credit when things go good and the blame when they go badā- Grandma Longneck, The Land Before Time 7 (yes there are more than 7 Land Before Time movies)
Arenāt there like 12 of those things?
The 14 films were released as a Complete Collection DVD set later on June 14, 2016.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Land_Before_Time
There was also a season of a TV show, 5 albums and 14 video games.
Just in case anybody has an hour to spare, this is a YouTube video summarising all 14 parts. I have no idea why I watched this, tbh. I never even heared of the damn movies. I guess sometime itās three a clock and these things just happen.
Never apologize.
The Barbie cinematic universe is good also.
A good leaderā¦
Yes but Trump is not a good leader.
We always knew this was his āthoughtā process. Itās been interesting seeing how his now apparently unfettered power has him just saying all of the abhorrent shit he really thinks out loud more than ever, though.
i felt like he has no train of thoughts, he just have one thought and forget wha tit was, moves on to the next, and then reconnect in a non-sensible way.
Nonsensical, Bone Apple-Tea!
This is elder abuse.
Yes.
This elder is fucking abusing usā¦
āIām just saying [children] donāt need to have 30 dolls, they can have three, they donāt need to have 250 pencils, they can have five,ā Trump said.
Before it was 2 dolls instead of 30, or a 93% reduction.
Now itās 5 pencils instead of 250, or a 98% reduction.
But more broadly, if I were Trump, I donāt think that Iād be focusing public attention on standard-of-living reductions among American children.
A man that literally shits on a golden toilet lecturing people about austerity is peak irony, though.
Apparently the toilet thing isnāt true, came from a picture of some jewelerās bathroom.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/donald-trumps-golden-toilet/
Snopes does say that he has āgold-plated sink fixtures in one bathroom on his private jetā, though.
EDIT: And that jet, ignoring the furnishings, is something like 30 times the price of the jewelerās bathroom with the gold toilet.
Youāre actually right. The only gold toilet Iāve ever actually seen was some oil-sheikās or something years ago, and I conflated it with his tendency to otherwise put gold plating on everything - that image in the New York(?) apartment sprung to mind - and a random comment I saw saying the same thing. Still, whether I used āliterallyā correctly or not, the irony of a man used to excess preaching the virtues of austerity still stands. Fuck him.
This whole blame your predecessor for everything is just a privilege of the office. The problem is that you canāt keep it up for long and the real pain from his policies are weeks and months away.
āPrepare three envelopesā¦ā
His bullshitting is getting so lazy.
Trusting this guy must be a pretty wild trip.
The fascinating part is not that his argument is
me good, he bad
⦠that was always his thing. Complain, play victim, accept zero responsibility. āI stand for nothingā or whatever he said.
What really flabbergasts me is that 50% of voters hear that and somehow think this a guy fit for president.
Because thatās how that works. /s
nottheonion aah headline
This is the MAGAt playbook.
When these fakes say anything itās never the truth. I guess the point is they want us to get tired of them so we just donāt even listen anymore.