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La Seconde Guerre de sécession

Original title: The Second Civil War
  • TV Movie
  • 1997
  • Tous publics
  • 1h 37m
IMDb RATING
6.6/10
2.5K
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Dan Hedaya, Beau Bridges, Denis Leary, and Phil Hartman in La Seconde Guerre de sécession (1997)
Dark ComedySatireComedyDrama

A simple immigration issue spins wildly out of control for those involved, ranging from the President of the United States, to a news producer.A simple immigration issue spins wildly out of control for those involved, ranging from the President of the United States, to a news producer.A simple immigration issue spins wildly out of control for those involved, ranging from the President of the United States, to a news producer.

  • Director
    • Joe Dante
  • Writer
    • Martyn Burke
  • Stars
    • Beau Bridges
    • Joanna Cassidy
    • Phil Hartman
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  • IMDb RATING
    6.6/10
    2.5K
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    • Director
      • Joe Dante
    • Writer
      • Martyn Burke
    • Stars
      • Beau Bridges
      • Joanna Cassidy
      • Phil Hartman
    • 25User reviews
    • 13Critic reviews
  • See production info at IMDbPro
  • See production info at IMDbPro
    • Won 1 Primetime Emmy
      • 2 wins & 3 nominations total

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    Beau Bridges
    Beau Bridges
    • Gov. Jim Farley
    Joanna Cassidy
    Joanna Cassidy
    • Helena Newman
    Phil Hartman
    Phil Hartman
    • The President
    James Earl Jones
    James Earl Jones
    • Jim Kalla
    James Coburn
    James Coburn
    • Jack Buchan
    Dan Hedaya
    Dan Hedaya
    • Mel Burgess
    Elizabeth Peña
    Elizabeth Peña
    • Christina
    Denis Leary
    Denis Leary
    • Vinnie Franko
    Ron Perlman
    Ron Perlman
    • Alan Manieski
    Kevin Dunn
    Kevin Dunn
    • Jimmy Cannon
    Shelley Malil
    Shelley Malil
    • Congressman Singh
    Brian Keith
    Brian Keith
    • Maj. Gen. Charles Buford
    Kevin McCarthy
    Kevin McCarthy
    • Chief of Staff
    Dick Miller
    Dick Miller
    • Eddie O'Neill
    William Schallert
    William Schallert
    • Secretary of Defense
    Catherine Lloyd Burns
    Catherine Lloyd Burns
    • Amelia Sims
    Jerry Hardin
    Jerry Hardin
    • Col. McNally
    Larry Flash Jenkins
    Larry Flash Jenkins
    • Kenya Nkomo
    • Director
      • Joe Dante
    • Writer
      • Martyn Burke
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    7claudio_carvalho

    A Hilarious and Sad Tribute to the Politicians, Lobbyists and Press of a Warrior Nation

    In a near future, after the nuclear explosion of a bomb dropped by India in Pakistan, an American non-governmental group decides to bring the Iranians orphans to Idaho. The silly governor of Idaho (Beau Bridges) is the political opponent of the American president (Phil Hartman) and decides to not permit the immigration of the children to his state. Indeed his greatest concern is relative to his sexual and affective life with the American-Mexican journalist Christina (Elizabeth Peña) and he does not give much importance to his statement. The stupid president decides to follow the advice of Jack Buchan (James Coburn) and his advisors, and sends the U. S. Army to the border of Idaho, which is protected by the National Guard troops. Due to the last chapter of a famous soap opera, the president gives sixty-seven and half hours to Idaho permit the ingress of the children. The greatest American network covers all of this confusion in a sensationalist way. All of these absurd misunderstandings together culminate in the American Second Civil War. This movie is a great dark and dramatic comedy, made before the tragedy of September 11th. In Brazil, it was not promoted and I found the VHS by chance on sale. When I saw the name of Joe Dante and the cast, I decided to buy and watch it. It was a worthwhile entertainment. It is a sort of `tribute' to the politicians, lobbyists and press in USA, and without the participation of Michael Moore. Martyn Burke and Joe Dante explore the warrior spirit and the racial segregation of the American people, the immigration problem, the lack of common sense and the search for votes of the politicians, the unreasonable advices of lobbyists and civilians and military advisors and the performance of the manipulative press in a funny (and even sad) story. My vote is seven.

    Title (Brazil): `A Segunda Guerra Civil' (`The Second Civil War')
    7WylieJJordan

    Timely political farce

    A funny, old-fashioned political farce set in an up-to-the-minute situation. An aggressive woman who heads an organization to "save the children" plans to move Pakistani orphans to Idaho. The governor of that state (Beau Bridges) decides to play to anti-immigrant sentiment by saying he will close the borders against further immigration.

    The American President (Phil Hartman) is a simpleton who managed by his political adviser (James Coburn). They're only interested in re-election, and are perfectly willing to resort to civil war to make it happen.

    A CNN-like news organization, "NN", which employs a rainbow of immigrants, and whose announcer is James Earl Jones, plays the potential conflict for all the advertising dollars it's worth.

    The governor (Beau Bridges) is really much more interested in his affair with a Mexican American reporter for "NN", and she seems to be the only person aware of the irony.
    10sterhill-1

    brilliant movie banned by HBO?

    This movie was an original film made by HBO and was shown in 1997 and then disappeared.

    Why? Too many un-PC remarks is my guess. At one point Dan Hedaya (head of the CNN look-alike NetworkNews) yells that somebody needs to get the White House on the phone "unless Tokyo has foreclosed on it!". The story is brilliantly created and the cast is amazing.

    Look at the cast and ask yourself how this film could just disappear.

    The mayor of Los Angeles is giving a speech, and the newsroom is frantically looking for a translator. But NOT to translate into Spanish. No, to translate HIS speech into English.

    I say shame on HBO for letting this film slide into oblivion, You can still find it, used, on VHS but it never went to DVD. You cannot buy it from HBO.

    You gotta ask yourself why... Edited to add - now on DVD if you can find it.
    7davidmvining

    Omnidirectional, comic scorn

    So, I was most of the way through Joe Dante's filmography when I went through the overall list of everything he'd done again. He'd done a whole lot of television work, especially since the box office failure of Matinee, and it was a bit difficult to sort through stuff that could be pretty easily ignored (like C. S. I. Episodes) and other stuff that may or may not need attention. I settled on three things, the two Masters of Horror episodes Dante directed (mostly just because I had done the episodes that John Carpenter had directed), and this, The Second Civil War, an HBO movie he made just before Small Soldiers. Well, I mostly chose to do it for two reasons (as opposed to something like The Warlord: The Battle for the Galaxy, a television show pilot that didn't get picked up). The first was because it did get a limited theatrical release in Europe. The second was that Dante reportedly thought it was the best movie he'd ever made. Well, I couldn't just ignore that.

    And what I found was a searing bit of omnidirectional political satire set in a future (though still 1998?) where America has spent at least a decade being overrun by immigrants and refugees from across the planet to the point where the governor of Rhode Island, Chinese by heritage, ends up calling for the end of immigration into America because it's changing the Chinese hybrid version of Rhode Island that he and his constituents call home.

    The actual focus of the film's dramatic action is a standoff between the President of the United States (Phil Hartman, which should give you a clue about the tone of this film) and the governor of Idaho (Beau Bridges) after a nuclear blast in Pakistan displaces a large segment of the population and a charity is flying a planeload of children from Pakistan to Idaho as refugees. One of the smaller issues with the film is that the history of the wild, out of control immigration is only addressed in fits and starts, not coming up for about half an hour, actually, which may be the point and I'm wrong.

    Anyway, the drive of the action comes from the NN newsroom run by Mel (Dan Hedaya) who talks about how their job is to put to trains on the same track and get them to crash. In a film where everyone comes out bad except a couple of characters, it's the media at large, especially those in charge, that comes out worst. They're manipulative, dishonest, and they do everything they possibly can to make sure that the train crash happens.

    The comedy of the film is really consistent and often laugh out loud funny, digging in a knife into everyone in the film, from the person running the charity complaining about the cameraman (Dick Miller) using the wrong lens and dreaming of more donations to the governor being more concerned about his affair with a newscaster to the president needing to constantly find comparisons with previous presidents (the funniest being when he misunderstands the suggestion for FDR as Teddy Roosevelt).

    The movement of the plot escalates in the standoff with the governor putting up roadblocks into the state with the National Guard, the army facing them down (a great little scene as two old generals insult each other mercilessly to their face while people watching on TV, unaware of what is being said, waxing poetic about the beautiful things they must be talking about), and a potential standdown that gets misunderstood leading to shooting. All of this is happening while no one really seems to care about it, the issue gets pushed aside constantly, and the governor unwittingly ends up collecting supporters from other states (like the aforementioned Chinese governor of Rhode Island).

    There are also fairly isolated funny bits like the Hispanic mayor of Los Angeles giving a fiery speech in favor of the refugees, turning it into a call for repatriation of California into Mexico, and a race war breaking out because the African American parts of Los Angeles don't want it. Or, when James Earl Jones, the sage, older newsman who remembers when news was news (yeah, sure, I've seen Ace in the Hole), interviews a Congressman from Alabama who is a Sikh with this absurd Southern/Sikh accent combination.

    I think Dante was skewering everyone here, and I wouldn't presume to use this to determine his own political outlook, but it really does feel like the anti-immigration side comes out better here. Yes, they're still skewered (there's a militia in Idaho that gets some satirical attention, in particular), but the actual plotline's winning moment is when the coalition of states forms and becomes public. I kind of get the sense that Dante really doesn't care that much about politics, and he was just out to skewer everyone, though.

    And I think it works. I grate at the effort to make the "good" newsmen the heroes (Denis Leary plays the other) and the attempt at character-based pathos around the governor and his girlfriend (Elizabeth Pena), probably the film's actual dramatic and thematic point about combining cultures since she's Mexican and it's been a subplot through the whole thing about how she wants to break it off with him because of the whole immigration thing, but I also see the same sort of attitude here as I saw in Matinee, about leaving behind the troubles of the world to just live a little life away from it all.

    It's really funny. It's got real satirical bite. It's omnidirectional in its scorn. It's got that anarchic spirit that Dante brought most obviously in Gremlins 2. This is a small gem in Dante's filmography, and I'm glad I didn't skip it.
    bob the moo

    Interesting but rather obvious and neither as funny nor as clever as it needed to be

    It is the near future and a nuclear attack on Pakistan from India has left millions as refugees. As a planeload of orphans leaves for America, the Governor of Idaho declares Idaho's borders shut to immigrants. With one eye on the opinion poles, the President of the United States reacts with a strong hand and gives the Governor 67.5 hours to change his mind (thus avoiding a ratings clashing with a popular soap opera on a non-news channel). As a news network tries to engineer the best view of the action, events spiral out of control with racial tension being triggered in Texas and Los Angeles.

    I do not know which film came first but in 1997 this film was put out on TV at around the same time as Wag the Dog was released. Wag was a superb film that was very sharp and funny and it is to this film's detriment that it is very easy to compare the two. Although the plots are different they both satirise the media's influence on politics and politics' concern with image and winning votes and do so with a big cast and a mix of tension and laughs.

    However it is not as well carried off here as it was in Wag The Dog and it gets bogged down in rather sappy and obvious messages about acceptance of one another. In some way this is pointed out in funny ways such as Congressman Singh having a deep south accent, the Governor eating Mexican food for breakfast and in love with a Mexican woman; but too often it is obvious and a little sappy. This takes away its intelligence and makes it feel less clever than it really should be to be as sharp a satire as it clearly wants to be. On the flipside of this the film isn't nearly as funny as it should be – it has the occasional really funny bit (James Coburn suggesting that the Irish can be taken off birth control to outbreed the other races and thus win votes was akin to some of Dr Strangelove for my money!) but generally it is not as funny as it really should be.

    However I still really enjoyed it and felt it was both clever and funny and even if too much of it wasn't up to the standard of really good satire, it is still worth seeing. The cast echoes the ensemble feel of Wag The Dog even if it lacks a couple of really big names in the way Wag did. None of them really dominate the film or really stand out, instead they seem happy to share the lines and the screentime without overplaying – only Coburn really goes for it and makes a good impression on the film. Having said that the majority do OK with what little they have and it is hard to ignore a cast that features so many famous faces. CoBurn is great even if Hartman, surprisingly, fails to make much of an impact. Bridges but lumbered with much of the 'message' in later stages, Jones is worth seeing although it is Hedaya and Perlman who dominate the newsroom scenes. Leary makes the bridge between this and Wag and the rest of the cast features all manner of faces including Elizabeth Peña, Dick Miller, Kevin Dunn and Kevin McCarthy.

    Overall this is a good film but not as good as it should have been; for my money satire needs to be funny and clever and, while this manages to be both at times, it is not as consistent as it really should have been. It gets bogged down in the message and it loses it's edge when it really should be getting stronger and sharper. It is by no means as good as Wag the Dog but it is still worth a look as, although not consistent it is still interesting in its comments and is sporadically funny and clever.

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      Joe Dante has said this is the best film he's made and the best cast he worked with.
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      Governor of Idaho: I'm getting tired of all this moral high ground stuff. I prefer rolling around in the muck; you meet more interesting people there.

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      Featured in The 49th Annual Primetime Emmy Awards (1997)

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    • Release date
      • March 15, 1997 (United States)
    • Country of origin
      • United States
    • Languages
      • English
      • Spanish
    • Also known as
      • La deuxième guerre civile
    • Filming locations
      • Los Angeles City Hall - 200 North Spring Street, Downtown, Los Angeles, California, USA
    • Production companies
      • Baltimore Pictures
      • HBO Films
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    • Runtime
      • 1h 37m(97 min)
    • Color
      • Color
    • Sound mix
      • Dolby Digital

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