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Nick's Film - Lightning Over Water

Originaltitel: Lightning Over Water
  • 1980
  • 12
  • 1 Std. 31 Min.
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Nick's Film - Lightning Over Water (1980)
Dokumentarfilm

Füge eine Handlung in deiner Sprache hinzuWim Wenders abandons the shoot of one of his own films in order to help his friend and fellow director Nicholas Ray create his swan song before he dies.Wim Wenders abandons the shoot of one of his own films in order to help his friend and fellow director Nicholas Ray create his swan song before he dies.Wim Wenders abandons the shoot of one of his own films in order to help his friend and fellow director Nicholas Ray create his swan song before he dies.

  • Regie
    • Nicholas Ray
    • Wim Wenders
  • Drehbuch
    • Nicholas Ray
    • Wim Wenders
  • Hauptbesetzung
    • Gerry Bamman
    • Ronee Blakley
    • Pierre Cottrell
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    6,7/10
    1669
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    • Regie
      • Nicholas Ray
      • Wim Wenders
    • Drehbuch
      • Nicholas Ray
      • Wim Wenders
    • Hauptbesetzung
      • Gerry Bamman
      • Ronee Blakley
      • Pierre Cottrell
    • 13Benutzerrezensionen
    • 19Kritische Rezensionen
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    • Auszeichnungen
      • 1 Gewinn & 1 Nominierung insgesamt

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    Gerry Bamman
    Gerry Bamman
    • Self
    Ronee Blakley
    Ronee Blakley
    • Self
    Pierre Cottrell
    Pierre Cottrell
    • Self
    Stefan Czapsky
    • Self
    Mitch Dubin
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    Tom Farrell
    Tom Farrell
    • Self
    Becky Johnston
    • Self
    Tom Kaufman
    • Self
    Pat Kirck
    • Self
    Edward Lachman
    Edward Lachman
    • Self
    Martin Müller
    • Self
    Craig Nelson
    • Self
    Nicholas Ray
    Nicholas Ray
    • Self
    Susan Ray
    • Self
    Timothy Ray
    • Self
    Martin Schäfer
    • Self
    Chris Sievernich
    • Self
    Wim Wenders
    Wim Wenders
    • Self
    • Regie
      • Nicholas Ray
      • Wim Wenders
    • Drehbuch
      • Nicholas Ray
      • Wim Wenders
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    Beware: two versions exist, first is better

    Two video versions of this film exist, both roughly the same length. The first was released by Pacific Video on VHS in 1987, the second just this month (1/03) by Anchor Bay on DVD. According to Kathe Geist's book "The Cinema of Wim Wenders: From Paris France to Paris Texas," Wenders was so depressed by the filming of "Lightning" and Ray's death that he handed the footage over to his editor, Peter Przygodda, who spent a year fashioning it into a version shown at Cannes; apparently this is also the version released by Pacific Video in 1987 and which I first saw around that time (and have watched many times since). Wenders supposedly found this version obscure and depressing and re-edited, adding a voiceover (his own) and superimposing passages from Ray's diary; this is the version just released on DVD, and is considered by some the definitive edition. But I find Wender's criticism of the initial cut confusing, for it's the LATTER cut (his own) which is murky and depressing. Nick Ray's final scene, for example ("Cut...Don't Cut.") is tortuous (we're watching a man dying), and there are sequences edited so bizarrely as to be almost incomprehensible. The first cut, in contrast, has a narrative flow and progression that make it easier to absorb, though it's still tough going as we witness Nick Ray's suffering. Also, Wender's narration in the 2nd version (absent in the initial cut) actually adds little to the film. The first version is unfortunately out of print but is worth tracking down because it's the superior one.
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    Final Cut

    Nicholas Ray is dying when Wim Wenders come to visit him. They start to make a motion picture about his death.

    With Wenders and Ray credited as co-directors, I'm left with the question of who is in charge. I'm left with the conclusion that it must be Wenders, and then with another question: what is it about? I think it's a love letter from one quirky and independent director for a friend who was also a quirky director, and the baffling and often filing efforts to make films that say something about something.

    Does it succeed? As a love letter, yes.

    As for the rest, I just don't know. Which is probably how Wenders feels.
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    lightning over water

    Not being in the habit of viewing snuff films I experienced what was, for me, a strange, rather unique emotion roughly five minutes into this documentary. Put into words it was, "I should not be watching this." And this feeling only deepened and broadened as the doc continued. I know the subject approved of it and that it was done with his full cooperation but I still felt as if it was obscene for me to be watching it. Even in our voyeuristic, surveiled world, where everything, it seems, belongs to someone or something other than oneself, some things are simply too private for sharing. Such as a real person's actual last, cancer ravaged moments. So I pulled the plug right after the "Lusty Men" clip which is definitely something I should be watching.
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    not a simple film

    Wenders gives the viewer the impression that this is a simple movie, but it is not. Fans of Wenders will recognize director Nicholas Ray's apartment as a location for the film, American Friend. But not only is Ray simply dying, he dies, and the "documentary" has to change, and so it does, with grace, pain, uncertainty, and a host of other emotions and observations. The music, much of it featuring Ronee Blakley, doing what sounds like an attempt at light punk rock and country-folk rock, with a definite Patti Smith influence, is very effective. Like every film I have seen by Wenders, it looks beautiful and often unusual, and the pacing is leisurely, and by Hollywood standards, slow. However, anyone who likes Wenders and likes Ray--and let's face it, if you say you are a fan of American film, and you neither like nor know Nicholas Ray, you are an ignorant piker, poser--will benefit from screening this movie, and probably be moved like hell by it.
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    Bigger than life (and death too)

    In 1977,Nicholas Ray was part of the cast of "der Amerikanische Freund" as Derwatt,a painter who made forgeries .In this movie,Ray tells the story of a painter who steals the masterpieces in the museums and replaces them with forgeries.

    I have always been a Ray fan from "they live by night" to "run for cover" to "party girl" to his final epics which were looked upon by pretty much as failures.I must admit that I do not go much for Wenders' stuff ,which is much too intellectual for me .

    Its not a documentary movie,it's cinema verite depicting a man who is dying.The courage the director displays in front of death commands admiration but I wonder whether this movie should have been released:it's an intimate one,which should have been reserved for the circle of family and close friends.And I'm sure that many of these prefer to keep a picture of a healthy man .

    If you have seen four or five movies by Ray ("rebel without a cause" "Johnny Guitar" "The savage" ) a piece of advice:try and see the lesser known Ray works:"wind across the everglades "born to be bad" "on dangerous ground" or "knock on any door" .The best homage to an exceptionally gifted director.

    There are two good moments in "Lightning over water":

    The "lusty men" extract happens to be my favorite in this classic:Mitchum come s back home,an old house where he finds back a comic and a money box:In "Lightning " ,Ray hints at "coming back home,seeing my mother's face" Childhood was an obsession in his work :just remember Dean playing in the gutter ("Rebel) or Cagney trying to make Derek his "son" in "run for cover" .

    THe diary which Wenders reads is in German which makes sense since it's his first language;the shots of the wings of the plane are fascinating.

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      Final film directed by Nicholas Ray; this also marks as his first documentary.
    • Zitate

      Wim Wenders: I didn't come here to talk about dying Nick... but we might have to.

      Nicholas Ray: But we might have to?

      Wim Wenders: I was looking forward to seeing you, because I need your advice. You told me on the phone that you wanted to see me, but I was afraid to come too. And I think I'd rather tell you right now; why. I was aware that I'd see you in weakness, and... that... you might be worried about being seen this way. But I feel it's okay now. There is something else that came to my mind in the plane last night, that I'm actually more afraid of. I thought that I could find myself being attracted to your weakness, or to your suffering, and... if I realized I was, I think I would have to leave you. It would feel like abusing you... or betraying you.

      Nicholas Ray: That won't happen.

      Wim Wenders: Good! So what are our plans for the rest of the day?

    • Alternative Versionen
      After Nicholas Ray died, Wim Wenders was too depressed to help edit the film, so he left it to Peter Przygodda. Przygodda spent a year working on it, and this was the 116-minute version shown at the Cannes Film Festival. Wenders, however, was disturbed by this version and found it depressing and obscure. He spent three months with Chris Sievernich re-editing the film. Aside from cutting more than 25 minutes, he added more footage of Susan Ray as well as his narration of Ray's diary. This 91-minute version is the one distributed by the Wim Wenders foundation.
    • Verbindungen
      Edited from Nicholas Ray: Especially for Pierre (1979)
    • Soundtracks
      Lightning Over Water
      Performed by Ronee Blakley

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    • Erscheinungsdatum
      • 13. Februar 1981 (Westdeutschland)
    • Herkunftsländer
      • Westdeutschland
      • Schweden
    • Sprachen
      • Englisch
      • Deutsch
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      • Lightning Over Water
    • Drehorte
      • New York City, New York, USA
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      • Viking Film
      • Wim Wenders Productions
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      • 1 Std. 31 Min.(91 min)
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