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White Noise by Don DeLillo
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bookshelves: po-mo, society, death

All plots tend to move deathward,’ lectures Jack Gladney, the Hitler studies teacher central to Don DeLillo’s White Noise, ‘this is the nature of plots.’ This comic masterpiece of postmodern anxieties does indeed move towards death—the meta-statement as much a Chekov’s gun as the actual gun Gladney is given—yet the whole wild ride is permeated and beleaguered by thought of the inevitability of death. Just like all of us. Though originally titled Panasonic, the title White Noise is a nod to the constant white noise of society that chirps, hums and whirs to the cacophonous tune of industry, entertainment and consumerism that numb our minds to our mortality salience, DeLillo interrogate our aversion to death in a culture where consumerism has practically become the new religion and steers it into the chaos of disaster emergency. White Noise hits harder than it did when I first read it over a decade ago and the novel feels just as urgent and relevant as ever, especially with a global pandemic now resonating through society. DeLillo’s love for language and philosophical investigations come alive in this humorous and insightful National Book Award winning novel, making for a scathing criticism that finds the pulse on US consumerist society and our trepidations of our own death and decay.

Man’s guilt in history and in the tides of his own blood has been complicated by technology, the daily seeping falsehearted death.

Published in 1985, White Noise came out just a year before the Chernobyl Nuclear Disaster and amidst an increasingly technology anxious world. ‘The greater the scientific advance, the more primitive the fear,’ DeLillo writes, and as technology plays an increasing role in every aspect of society from medicine to communication there are always the fears that what we create may be our undoing. White Noise is a book jittering with anxieties, from the pre-eminent Hitler expert’s imposter syndrome over not being able to speak German to the experimental drug, Dylar, which claims to remove your fears and obsessive thoughts about death, and DeLillo brilliantly depicts a death avoidance society that has plunged itself into consumerism and symbolic living to stave off the creeping reality of death and finality as an form of terror management theory. But with each step we take to push away death, it still comes. ‘Every advance in knowledge and technique is matched by a new kind of death, a new strain. Death adapts, like a viral agent.’ What a great line, honestly.

No sense of the irony of human experience, that we are the highest form of life on earth, and yet ineffably sad because we know what no other animal knows, that we must die.

Much of the novel, told through Jack often in dramatic fashion that dips into something akin to what his classroom lectures would sound like, investigates the different ‘white noises’ of the book and how death is always a major fulcrum for our psychological responses in the world. There is the idea that death makes life precious, questioning if ‘anything you do in this life would have beauty and meaning without the knowledge you carry of a final line, a border or limit,’ but also the rebuttal that ‘what good is a preciousness based on fear and anxiety?’ He and his fifth wife, Babette, often discuss who they hope dies first, weighing out if their fear or loneliness overrides their fear of death, and acknowledging the inevitability that their many children will grow up and out of the house. Family, in a way, is a sort of white noise too. Or any sort of group to belong in.
To become a crowd is to keep out death. To break off from a crowd is to risk death as an individual, to face dying alone. Crowds came for this reason above all others. They were there to be a crowd.

Jack is all too aware of this as the leading Hitler scholar, arguing ‘Hitler was larger that death,’ which points to how authoritarianism rises out of fears and anxieties. Fear of the unknown, the Other, collapse, etc., all drives people towards a group mentality. When a sudden accident occurs in their town—The Airborne Toxic Event—leaving a great dark cloud over town like an unavoidable symbol of death, thoughts of mortality reach a fever pitch.

I feel sad for people and the queer part we play in our own disasters.

According to Trauma Management Theory, mortality salience (the awareness of one’s death) wedded to death anxiety in incidents like this (or, say, global COVID) causes people to solidify their worldview and react in ways they feel will defend their social groups. To become a crowd, as Jack says, to boost self-esteem which TMT states reduces mortality salience. It is an existential terror of death, coupled with feeling a lack of control against the inevitable, that causes people to then react in ways to try and assert control over some aspect of their life. The higher the fear of death/lack of control, the more people try to push it out or scapegoat it, blaming others, or reacting violently. This is especially true of people who have an overinflated desire to be controlling (think of the men two weeks into the COVID pandemic so overcome with fears of their own mortality they broke into my State’s capitol building armed for murder). This idea also exists in John Steinbeck’s theory of the phalanx about crowd mentality. The idea is that being reactionary is an attempt to assert control on a situation that feels beyond you, and in White Noise attempts to control or assuage death are everywhere from the rampant consumerism to the Dylar drug. Think of the crowds, the groups, the solidifying of ideologies we’ve seen in the past few years in reaction to, or grifting off of, a global pandemic. Even I found myself reacting, such as really launching back into running at this time. As someone that loves reading for subtext, in my mind in longer runs I would chide myself “what are you running from, eh? Is it ?” We all find our soothing methods and self-medicating behaviors.

It is surely possible to be awed by a thing that threatens your life, to see it as a cosmic force, so much larger than yourself, more powerful, created by elemental and wilful rhythms.

But there is also a general sense of trying to assert control in the general uncertainty of the world. With the Airborne Toxic Event there is the uncertainty of what to do and what is even happening. ‘In a crisis the true facts are whatever other people say they are,’ DeLillo writes, ‘no one’s knowledge is less secure than your own.’ Had this been written today that would feel very on the nose amidst the past years where grifting off misinformation and gaslighting increased the uncertainties of truth. White Noise also touches on distrust of authority, who are often as uncertain as everyone else but tasked with upholding a false certainty. There is a brilliant dark humor in aspects such as SIMUVAC running simulation evacuations though it is a real evacuation.
It seems that danger assigns to public voices the responsibility of a rhythm, as if in metrical units there is a coherence we can use to balance whatever senseless and furious event is about to come rushing around our heads.

This makes me think of our current age of social media where, sure, it is great everyone gets a voice but the element of social media algorithms boosting voices based more on popularity (and paid content) can make it difficult to parse out which voices have actual authority on subjects or are even worth listening to. You have to sift through the static sometimes wondering “is this actually a bad take?” Or “is this even accurate?” and then there is the capitalist aspects of society where opinions are valued most due to profitability (even social profitability such as reinforcing one’s own world view) only increasing the maelstrom of bad faith framing. We live in a white noise of opinions crackling in social media static where the loudest opinions are those attempting to discredit others and often motivated by self-preservation over “truth”.

I love the uncertainty of the effects from the disaster that DeLillo instills, such as Jack receiving a timeline towards death that seems indistinguishable from a timeline of death by aging. It just becomes a lingering idea just like the already regular thoughts of inevitable death. Another aspect I truly appreciate is how DeLillo keys into how uncertainty leads to art:
The toxic event had released a spirit of imagination. People spun tales, others listened spellbound. There was a growing respect for the vivid rumor, the most chilling tale… We began to marvel at our own ability to manufacture awe.

We pass on stories, write songs or poems that capture the current mood and moment, and these are the artifacts of a disaster that become the footholds to scale an understanding of a culture in a place and time in hindsight. But above all, it is all ways we compensate for control in the face of uncertainty.

This accounts for the philosophical tone the novel takes, one part earnest philosophical investigation and another part lampooning academic seriousness. Jack and his colleague friend Murray engage in circuitous discourses on a wide variety of topics throughout the book with a certainty only a learned academic can muster, though the certainty of their conclusions is vague. Though they are able to leap into the ways ‘everything is concealed in symbolism, hidden by veils of mystery and layers of cultural material.’ This opens the narrative up for incredible observations, however, with gorgeous passages on everything from the cultural signifiers in supermarkets to a co-lecture on Elvis and Hitler’s relationships with their mothers. Take Murray’s explanation of supermarkets for example:
Being here is a kind of spiritual surrender. We see only what the others see. The thousands who were here in the past, those who will come in the future. We've agreed to be part of a collective perception. It literally colors our vision. A religious experience in a way, like all tourism.

The simulation of religious experience colors the novel in many ways, such as Jack’s daughter saying brand names—Toyota Celica—in her sleep ‘like the name of an ancient power in the sky.’ Consumerism has replaced God in America and even the nuns don’t believe but put up a front because ‘the nonbelievers need the believers. They are desperate to have someone believe,’ and even mocks Jack for thinking anyone would sanely believe in a god. It is the burden of worry people impose on status figures like nuns, doctors and even politicians, handing them the reigns of reality to grapple with death as a way of avoiding it. Consuming, however, becomes the biggest short-cut to a sense of self-esteem that would stave off mortality salience, such as the following on the effects of purchasing:
I began to grow in value and self regard. I filled myself out, found new aspects of myself, located a person I’d forgotten existed. Brightness settled around me.

It becomes a stand-in for real life, like tv plots and literature become a stand-in for life to put the death on the screen or the page, in the aisle and behind the counters.

This is, perhaps, where I find DeLillo to be at his finest: discussing issues of phenomenology and language. We see much of the world as a symbolic replica of what Martin Heidegger termed dasein, or the thing-in-and-of-itself. Early in the novel, Jack and Murray visit ‘the most photographed bridge’ where they observe nobody sees the actual bridge, only the spectacle of it and ‘[t]hey are taking pictures of taking pictures.’ They exist in Guy Debord’s society of the spectacle. Which is why symbolism is so central to the novel as a sense of control. Jack mentions of Babette all the ways that are ‘the point of Babette,’ constructing a literary reality over the true, chaotic reality that is life (and also attempting to assert a sense of control). Which is much of what literature is, carefully constructing a world of ideas we can control and cast death as a character as opposed to a real force that strikes without warning.

The ultimate form of control against death, it seems, is violence. ‘The killer, in theory, attempts to defeat his own death by killing others. He buys time, he buys life.’ Jack receives a gun from his father-in-law (there are some great anxieties of masculinity here, with Jack feeling lesser due to his inability for household repairs that Vernon finds second nature) and, as all plots move deathward, it is no surprise this culminates into a violent confrontation with the man sleeping with his wife in a way that seem adjacent to a similar climax in Vladimir Nabokov’s Lolita. Here we witness a major side-effect of Dylar is to interpret words literally, being unable to tell signifier from the signified, and shouting ‘ plunging aircraft’ causes his target to react as if there is in fact a plane crash occurring. This is a clever nod to the idea that society moving into the spectacle to cover reality erodes our ability to differentiate between symbol and actuality.

May the days be aimless. Let the seasons drift. Do not advance the action according to a plan.

Ultimately, we are left to question if all narrative in life merely moves towards death or if narrative is a way to ‘seek shape and control’ our lives during our limited time. Should we drift and let things come as they may, knowing the cliff of death will be here eventually? Or should we plot and plunge towards death. White Noise is a fabulous book and a deserving winner of the National Book Award (DeLillo, known for a distaste for public fame accepted the award in person saying ‘I’m sorry I couldn’t be here tonight, but I thank you all for coming.’). Comedic and insightful, with a penchant for the pretentious as part of the gag, White Noise has a lasting power that seems all the more relevant in a modern age of social media (symbolic of ‘authentic’ communication?), late-stage capitalism, misinformation and a literal global pandemic. It is an excellent look at the wear mortality salience drives people into empty symbols or consumerism or religion and into crowd mentality like authoritarianism to abate the loss of control against the reality of finality. DeLillo knocks it out of the park in White Noise with a smart and flowing prose that soars through the stratosphere in order to carry the heady philosophical investigations and this is certainly a book worth revisiting again and again.

5/5

How strange it is. We have these deep terrible lingering fears about ourselves and the people we love. Yet we walk around, talk to people, eat and drink. We manage to function. The feelings are deep and real. Shouldn't they paralyze us? How is it we can survive them, at least for a little while? We drive a car, we teach a class. How is it no one sees how deeply afraid we were, last night, this morning? Is it something we all hide from each other, by mutual consent? Or do we share the same secret without knowing it? Wear the same disguise?
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message 1: by Laura (new) - added it

Laura Rogers As always, the thought given to the books you read and the reviews you write is evident. Excellent!


message 2: by jess (new)

jess This feels like an article exploring the relations of death and consumerism in the society we're currently striving to survive rather than a book review. It's incredible! I did liked more some of your own sentences than the quotes.


message 3: by Marc (new) - rated it 4 stars

Marc Kozak Great review as always! Did you happen to see the movie recently? I thought it did a pretty excellent job adapting this for the most part, which was a supremely difficult task.


s.penkevich [hiatus-will return-miss you all] Laura wrote: "As always, the thought given to the books you read and the reviews you write is evident. Excellent!"

Thank you so much! Haha this one sort of got away from me, I didn’t realize I had so much to say until suddenly it was the middle of the night and I was like hmmm I should wrap this up… haha


s.penkevich [hiatus-will return-miss you all] jess wrote: "This feels like an article exploring the relations of death and consumerism in the society we're currently striving to survive rather than a book review. It's incredible! I did liked more some of y..."

Thank you so much! DeLillo really sets the stage to go off on adventures of the mind addressing all of his themes, this one has fully consumed me for a few days now. Everything makes me go “oh that’s like White Noise” now haha.


s.penkevich [hiatus-will return-miss you all] Marc wrote: "Great review as always! Did you happen to see the movie recently? I thought it did a pretty excellent job adapting this for the most part, which was a supremely difficult task."

Thank you! I just watched it last night and agree, pretty great adaptation. It’s impressive how well they did with the script since so much was direct from the book but also could have come across as super corny, thought Driver and Gerwig really managed to sell it. Was a bit bummed the most photographed barn wasn’t in it but I loved the Elvis/Hitler lecture. I gotta say though, the credits with the whole supermarket music video set to LCD Soundsystem might be my favorite part haha


Margaret M - (having a challenging time and on GR as much as I can) I loved how you brought some of the threads back to today, like social media. A very insightful and thought provoking review. I’m sure it’s one of those books that just consumes you. Wonderful review


message 8: by Chantel (new)

Chantel Really glad to see your review of this book! It came across my feed at one point in a reel & I was wondering when it might start to make its way on to my timeline, what with the story being made into film (I think?). The tones in this seem to undertake far more than one read could reveal - which to me feels so promising; a story you get to keep with you for life. I'll have to read this one myself. When you introduced the struggle between loneliness & a fear of death I became very interested - such topics can host so much discussion! Super super super review :)


s.penkevich [hiatus-will return-miss you all] Margaret M - Semi Hiatus - wrote: "I loved how you brought some of the threads back to today, like social media. A very insightful and thought provoking review. I’m sure it’s one of those books that just consumes you. Wonderful review"

Thank you! Yea, reading this made me feel like it could very easily have been written today and about the present, which is cool because even though some of the implied technology sounds outdated the book itself doesn’t (there’s been a few DeLillo where I felt that was an issue though). It’s super good, and I REALLY enjoyed the film, worth a watch!


s.penkevich [hiatus-will return-miss you all] Chantel wrote: "Really glad to see your review of this book! It came across my feed at one point in a reel & I was wondering when it might start to make its way on to my timeline, what with the story being made in..."

That is a great way to put it, there’s just SO much going on in this that it would take a book twice it’s length to unpack. Like even some of the throwaway dialogue has pretty great philosophical messages and there’s a ton about marketing I didn’t touch on but found really interesting. Ha, I had so much more I wanted to say even but it was suddenly very late, I had drank far too many gin and tonics, and the review was already way too long haha. But thank you!

Yea! It just came on Netflix, I actually really enjoyed it (seems polarizing reviews?). I tend to enjoy Adam Driver which helps and maybe being burned by book adaptations too many times made this one seem better than it’s worth but it really hit me right when I needed something fun to obsess over haha.


message 11: by FusionEight (new)

FusionEight Wow after reading Foster Wallace's essay on postmodernism and TV I was looking forward to reading deLillo and now i am even more eager thanks to your review!


s.penkevich [hiatus-will return-miss you all] FusionEight wrote: "Wow after reading Foster Wallace's essay on postmodernism and TV I was looking forward to reading deLillo and now i am even more eager thanks to your review!"

Ooooo wait, which collection was that essay in? It sounds vaguely familiar and I should read that. But thanks! DeLillo is so fun when he hits, this one and The Body Artist really knocked me out.


message 13: by john (new) - rated it 4 stars

john callahan I like your review a lot. I have to read this one again . . . I read it once in the late 1980s and I think I missed a lot.


s.penkevich [hiatus-will return-miss you all] john wrote: "I like your review a lot. I have to read this one again . . . I read it once in the late 1980s and I think I missed a lot."

Thank you so much! Would recommend a reread, this was the second go for me (read it in…2009?) and I’d forgotten a lot/picked up on different key ideas than I recalled. It definitely feels pretty modern still I felt, hope you enjoy it again!


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Khalid Abdul-Mumin What a great review, excited to start this.


s.penkevich [hiatus-will return-miss you all] Khalid wrote: "What a great review, excited to start this."

Thank you so much! Oh awesome, I’m excited for you! Hope you enjoy, eager to hear what you think. The movie is worth watching too.


message 17: by Bert (new)

Bert Hirsch another epic review. your brilliance at capturing the essence and connecting to other works is a real talent. I certainly hope you have the opportunity to have your reviews published to a wide audience.

regarding DeLillo I have been a huge fan ever since reading End Zone. The arc of his writing reveals truths and ironies of the modern experience. He is beyond comparison.

I too read White Noise many years ago and recently watched the Noah Baumbach movie which I was laughing out loud at certain points while my wife said, "what's so funny". (i believe his humor takes a certain sarcastic, skeptical and cynical point of view...later for a fuller description of my marriage)) The film captures many of the aspects you cover but does lose its way near the end.

If you have not read DeLillo's Zaro K, I highly recommend it to you (i reviewed it on Goodreads). It is a perfect follow up to White Noise's focus on death as it deals with a wealthy man's attempt to find immortality. DeLillo's humor as he nears the end of his career and life is intact:

“Half the world is redoing its kitchens; the other half is starving”.
“Isn’t the sting of our eventual dying what makes us precious to the people in our lives.”

love this review!


message 18: by Bert (new)

Bert Hirsch linked to Guy Debord and immediately thought of the book Satin Island by Tom McCarthy which covers similar topics,

an interesting side bar is that the main character in Satin Island is based on an anthropologist who was the son of my father's best friend- Paul Rabinow, who was a leading expert on Michel Foucault.

connections...indeed.


s.penkevich [hiatus-will return-miss you all] Bert wrote: "another epic review. your brilliance at capturing the essence and connecting to other works is a real talent. I certainly hope you have the opportunity to have your reviews published to a wide audi..."

Thank you so much! This was such a good one, there was so much to talk about and I couldn’t even fit it all in but I hope I did the main themes some justice. Glad you enjoyed the film as well, I thought it was pretty solid as far as adaptations can be. And so funny.

Ooo thank you, I’ve just read your review and I must get to it! Great review by the way. I actually own it, I remember being excited it was released and got it on day one…but I was in a reading slump and never ended up getting past the first few pages. I should return to that now, thanks! It does sound like a good companion read to this.
I’ll have to check out the McCarthy as well!


message 20: by Bert (new)

Bert Hirsch s.penkevich wrote: "Bert wrote: "another epic review. your brilliance at capturing the essence and connecting to other works is a real talent. I certainly hope you have the opportunity to have your reviews published t..."

i look forward to your thoughts on Zero K and whenever Satin Island. I checked out your Instagram page and look forward to delving in. All the best!


s.penkevich [hiatus-will return-miss you all] Bert wrote: "s.penkevich wrote: "Bert wrote: "another epic review. your brilliance at capturing the essence and connecting to other works is a real talent. I certainly hope you have the opportunity to have your..."

Oh awesome thank you so much! Trying to find my copy of Zero K right now, hoping it’s not still in storage where every book I seem to need still is haha


message 22: by Linda (new) - rated it 4 stars

Linda The book came out a year BEFORE the Chernobyl disaster, not a year after.
Which I find equally interesting, actually, in terms of the swirling questions of nuclear doom in haunted 80s psyches.


s.penkevich [hiatus-will return-miss you all] Linda wrote: "The book came out a year BEFORE the Chernobyl disaster, not a year after.
Which I find equally interesting, actually, in terms of the swirling questions of nuclear doom in haunted 80s psyches."


Oh yea good catch, thank you, fixed it. But yea, seems a good indicator of the general nuclear and tech anxieties of the time


message 24: by Bert (new)

Bert Hirsch DeLillo’s writing is consistently prescient in reporting the underside of modern life .


s.penkevich [hiatus-will return-miss you all] Bert wrote: "DeLillo’s writing is consistently prescient in reporting the underside of modern life ."

True, he tends to have a pretty great pulse on things. I love that moment in The Body Artist about like...watching an empty road in Norway or something like that on a webcam as a way to sooth herself. I think about that all the time (I have a coworker who always has a webcam video of the local lighthouse up on the work computer which I find really charming). Something about that seems to perfectly hit on modern anxieties.
Sometimes I feel like the tech references dont age well (this one did) but they still find the pulse quite effectively.


message 26: by L Ann (new)

L Ann Huh. While it isn't difficult for me to see how we use technology as a way to subconsciously "stave off the creeping reality of death" (whether it's used as prevention or as a means of distraction) I've never thought that way about consumerism, but I can it... rather obviously now. The whole concept of mortality salience is interesting. Wonderful review, as usual.
*Hitler studies teacher. Why does that sound so strange to me? Lol


message 27: by Bert (new)

Bert Hirsch He repeats some of that imagery(webcam) in Zero K.


s.penkevich [hiatus-will return-miss you all] Bert wrote: "He repeats some of that imagery(webcam) in Zero K."

Oh interesting. I sort of love when authors revisit metaphors or imagery, becomes kind of like their jazz variations on a theme and you can tell its meaningful to them.


s.penkevich [hiatus-will return-miss you all] L Ann wrote: "Huh. While it isn't difficult for me to see how we use technology as a way to subconsciously "stave off the creeping reality of death" (whether it's used as prevention or as a means of distraction)..."

Isn't the mortality salience stuff pretty interesting? I'd not heard of it until recently and read a TON about that after reading this book, its worth looking up Trauma Management Theory in general...just a cool subject I guess? I'm surprised I never discussed it in any classes.
But right? I wouldn't have either but I sort of can....follow the logic down, and its pretty widely applicable when you start to think of things in that framing.
But YEA. It's such a bizzare gag that I'm not sure if it aged badly or if because it aged badly it makes it more effective. Thinking back a few years when that Look Whos Back novel with Hitler returning had a lot of critical discussions on if blithely invoking Hitler was art or just something we shouldn't do. With this the fact that it is rather fucked up is like...half the point beneath the surface I think? Like really leading into the idea of how fear leads to authoritarianism for sure.


message 30: by Karen (new)

Karen Spellbinding review s. Why aren't you teaching literature? Do you offer any discussions at your library or bookstore where you lead the groups about some of these books you write reviews about? Your thoughtful discussions within these reviews are amazing. I can just see you in front of a classroom with some eager students having discussions about these books...


Jonfaith Expert analysis and yeah I thought of DeLillo last week as our air was astringent.


s.penkevich [hiatus-will return-miss you all] Karen wrote: "Spellbinding review s. Why aren't you teaching literature? Do you offer any discussions at your library or bookstore where you lead the groups about some of these books you write reviews about? You..."

Thank you! Ha, I wish. We do have book groups but i'm not high up enough to work those ha. I originally went to college for secondary ed but then never had the space to give for a year of unpaid student teaching with a newborn so I never ended up finishing. Though I think I'd prefer college teaching anyways?


s.penkevich [hiatus-will return-miss you all] Jonfaith wrote: "Expert analysis and yeah I thought of DeLillo last week as our air was astringent."

Thank you! Oh yea, how has that been by you? Today finally has us out of the "Unhealthy" level, there were a few days though where it was so thick I couldn't see down the block so I'm glad thats over.


message 34: by liv ❁ (new) - added it

liv ❁ I completely forgot that one of my favorite bands is named The Airborne Toxic Event BECAUSE of this book not some random coincidence and my heart rate spiked when I read the name in your review haha.
Amazing review, this sounds incredible, insightful, and continually relevant. I really need to get around to it.


s.penkevich [hiatus-will return-miss you all] Liv ❁ wrote: "I completely forgot that one of my favorite bands is named The Airborne Toxic Event BECAUSE of this book not some random coincidence and my heart rate spiked when I read the name in your review hah..."

Haha yea! I remember that blowing my mind when I read it the first time too. I read DeLillo for the first time years ago because a Bright Eyes song referenced him but the line was “it was Don DeLillo, whiskey, and a blinking midnight clock” and I thought Don DeLillo was a brand of whisky until I saw him on a book shelf and was like OH haha. It’s worth a read! Would love to hear your thoughts on it. I kind of really enjoyed the film too though people seem to either like it or REALLY hate it.


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liv ❁ s.penkevich wrote: "Liv ❁ wrote: "I completely forgot that one of my favorite bands is named The Airborne Toxic Event BECAUSE of this book not some random coincidence and my heart rate spiked when I read the name in y..."

Haha okay that’s pretty funny. What song was it? I’ve been meaning to read it since I learned about TATE years ago it just went out of sight out of mind but I’ll be sure to remember it this time lol. I’ll be check out the film too once I’ve read it!


message 37: by john (new) - rated it 4 stars

john callahan I too read this book long ago -- maybe 20-30 years ago -- and liked bits of it, but did not understand much of it (I "got" his novel "Libra" more and have read it a couple of times). I looked at your review again and feel I must read "White Noise" again.
You probably already know it, but I must comment that you write extremely well.


s.penkevich [hiatus-will return-miss you all] Liv ❁ wrote: "s.penkevich wrote: "Liv ❁ wrote: "I completely forgot that one of my favorite bands is named The Airborne Toxic Event BECAUSE of this book not some random coincidence and my heart rate spiked when ..."

It is from the song Gold Mine Gutted, I had a huge Bright Eyes phase in college haha. I actually put on some Airborne Toxic Event last night, I forgot how good they are!


s.penkevich [hiatus-will return-miss you all] john wrote: "I too read this book long ago -- maybe 20-30 years ago -- and liked bits of it, but did not understand much of it (I "got" his novel "Libra" more and have read it a couple of times). I looked at yo..."

Thank you so much, that means a lot! Yea, this was one that certainly unlocked itself MUCH more on the reread for me. I think the first go it takes so much attention energy to just...follow what is happening and parse out what a lot of the satire is? There so many scenes that feel rather random but all add up to something though I think its hard to see it until after its all finished (like the most photographed barn, which I was sad got cut out of the film but it does seem kind of random at first haha). Hope you enjoy more on the next read!


Melanie Remember loving this one… Need to reread.


s.penkevich [hiatus-will return-miss you all] Melanie wrote: "Remember loving this one… Need to reread."

It's so good! I definitely felt it was better on the reread, hope it is for you too!


message 42: by liv ❁ (new) - added it

liv ❁ s.penkevich wrote: "Liv ❁ wrote: "s.penkevich wrote: "Liv ❁ wrote: "I completely forgot that one of my favorite bands is named The Airborne Toxic Event BECAUSE of this book not some random coincidence and my heart rat..."

Nice, I've only heard tracks from I'm Wide Awake, It's Morning so I had to give it a listen (very good). Ayy yeah they really are great. They were like the first band I discovered by myself when I was in high school (very sheltered kid, no internet access lol), I heard Poor Isaac for the first time as an angsty 16 year old and it was pretty much set in stone that I'd be listening to them forever haha


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