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The Republic by Plato
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Plato's "The Republic", is a great but flawed masterpiece of western literature, yes it makes sense, mostly, some of it. "I am the wisest man in the world because I know one thing, that I know nothing", said the smart man ... Socrates. Plato is writing for Socrates, his friend and teacher. Late teacher, since being forced to commit suicide by the uncomfortable citizens of Athens ( the famous poisoned cup of hemlock), for corrupting the minds of youth. Socrates didn't believe books were as effective as lectures, big mistake. Socrates advocates complete state control of everything, land, schools , businesses, homes, and even children to be taken away from their parents and raised by the state. In other words, an early form of communism. Plato agreed but Aristotle didn't , he knew only parents would love their children , which kids need. Most of the book is dialogues between various men as how to establish a perfect state. Socrates / Plato wanted Greece ruled by philosopher kings. With a professional army to back them up. An unreachable goal, as 24 centuries later, has shown. Greed is the primary motivation of the human race, but people keep on trying to reach the elusive "Utopia", and failing forever? Socrates the wise man, was correct.
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Reading Progress

February 7, 2011 – Started Reading
February 20, 2011 – Finished Reading
July 7, 2011 – Shelved

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message 1: by Melissa (new)

Melissa hm..do you find this book actual for modern generation?


message 2: by Henry (last edited 28 nov. 2012 16:28) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Henry Avila Very much so, Melissa.The never ending quest for the perfect society continues.Probably forever....


message 3: by Melissa (new)

Melissa Henry wrote: "Very much so, Melissa.The never ending quest for the perfrct society continues.Probably forver...."

Because I find this book difficult to understand for modern genaration like me.


message 4: by Henry (last edited 01 déc. 2012 16:28) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Henry Avila Yes language changes but human nature never...great books need to be read.The difficult ones, are some of the best,Melissa.


message 5: by Arah-Lynda (new)

Arah-Lynda Henry wrote: "Yes language changes but human nature never...great books need to be read.The difficult ones, are some of the bests,Melissa."

I agree with you Henry, even though I have not read enough of them myself. Great Review!


message 6: by Henry (new) - rated it 5 stars

Henry Avila Thanks Arah-Lynda.You're very kind.


message 7: by Petra X (new)

Petra X I enjoyed reading your review.


message 8: by Petra X (new)

Petra X I enjoyed reading your review.


message 9: by Henry (new) - rated it 5 stars

Henry Avila Petra,I enjoy your reviews too. Henry.


message 10: by Petra X (new)

Petra X :-)


message 11: by [deleted user] (new)

Nice to see you review so many classics, Henry. I plan on unleashing a few over the course of the next few months.


message 12: by Henry (new) - rated it 5 stars

Henry Avila Look forward to reading those reviews,Steve.Classics are the best.


message 13: by Melissa (new)

Melissa Henry wrote: "Yes language changes but human nature never...great books need to be read.The difficult ones, are some of the bests,Melissa."

Did you read "a crossing or the drop's history" by Anatoliy Obraztsov?


message 14: by Henry (new) - rated it 5 stars

Henry Avila Sorry,never heard of him,Melissa.What is his philosophy ?


message 15: by Melissa (new)

Melissa Henry wrote: "Sorry,never heard of him,Melissa.What is his philosophy ?"

I don't know how explain... For me it's just new, modern, close to us, modern generation. But based on old philosophical learning.


message 16: by Henry (new) - rated it 5 stars

Henry Avila Modern philosophy becomes old philosophy as time marches on...Melissa.


message 17: by Melissa (new)

Melissa Henry wrote: "Modern philosophy becomes old philosophy as time marches on...Melissa."

I know of course it :) Did you read modern authors?


message 18: by Henry (new) - rated it 5 stars

Henry Avila Ken Follett,David McCullough,Umberto Eco,John Varley,Stephen King,Ray Bradbury,any book that looks good but most of them have been around a long time,Melissa.


message 19: by Lynne (last edited 04 sept. 2013 14:43) (new) - added it

Lynne King Henry, I loved your review, yet again and I see that you like Umberto Eco. He's marvellous.

I don't know enough about philosophy at all. I'm below a rookie in fact. Have you read this book by Roger Scruton and, if so, do you recommend it? Modern Philosophy: An Introduction and Survey.

The fact that it's an introduction was what sold me when I purchased it and to my shame I only skim read it at the time. I need to be more organized in my "arty-farty" thought processes. Harry has also given me some guidance which was really kind of him.


message 20: by Henry (last edited 11 juil. 2020 23:21) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Henry Avila Loved, The Name of the Rose.Haven't done a review.Read it before joining GR.Also own another unread book of his.Island, etc..Ancient books fascinate me.Persian Expedition,Confessions of St.Augustine.The Golden Ass. Both Homer's books,etc.Do not read that many Philosophers ,most bore me .Scruton doesn't excite.Plato, Socrates and Aristotle,that's different.Always looking for a "new", old book to read.Classics are what I read mostly.Right now, having fun reading, Three Men in a Boat,1889.


message 21: by Praj (new) - rated it 4 stars

Praj Excellent review!


message 22: by Henry (new) - rated it 5 stars

Henry Avila Thank you.


message 23: by Fionnuala (new)

Fionnuala Great thoughts here, Henry. Thanks.


message 24: by Henry (new) - rated it 5 stars

Henry Avila As always, you are very welcome.Glad you liked it.


message 25: by Dolors (new)

Dolors Incredible food for thought you've packed into such a short, pithy review, Henry!


message 26: by Lynne (new) - added it

Lynne King Henry, I was delighted to see your review come up in my feed again.

What goes around...comes around!


message 27: by Henry (new) - rated it 5 stars

Henry Avila Dolors wrote: "Incredible food for thought you've packed into such a short, pithy review, Henry!"
I am flattered you enjoyed it, Dolors, of this short review.


message 28: by Henry (new) - rated it 5 stars

Henry Avila Lynne wrote: "Henry, I was delighted to see your review come up in my feed again.

What goes around...comes around!"

Thank you Lynne, yes, always happy when people like my reviews.


message 29: by Henry (new) - rated it 5 stars

Henry Avila I can only say, I appreciate your words.


message 30: by Aditi (new)

Aditi Nice and crisp review Henry! :-)


message 31: by Henry (new) - rated it 5 stars

Henry Avila Thank you for enjoying my review,this book should be read.


message 32: by Sara (new) - added it

Sara Good review, thanks.


message 33: by Henry (new) - rated it 5 stars

Henry Avila You are always welcome,Sara.


message 34: by Melinda (new)

Melinda Henry, I agree whole heartedly with your summation. Have you ever read the works of Sabatini? Not the famous ones like Scaramouche, or Captain Blood, but the others, "The Banner of the Bull", which is a portrayal of Ceasere Borgia, and there are so many others, like "The Strolling Saint" and "The Lion's Skin". If you like Verne, Sabatini is Verne with an attitude and a wry sense of humor. You may also like Dame Dorothy Dunnett, who is still alive, but writes history books with a fictional protagonist woven in so seamlessly that you would swear that he was a real historical person.

Out of all the books I have read, hers are my favorite. Her Lymond series is brilliant. You need quite a quick mind and the historical background of the conflicts between England, Scotland and France, from before the time that Mary, Queen of Scots was born, through her time in France, and later, when she returned to Scotland. It also helps to have a history of the middle east of that time, especially the Turks in and around the Golden Horn. Knowledge of Cyprus and the Knights Hospialler would not be amiss, nor would Venician trading. Are you getting the idea just how involved these books are? The joy of discovering them can only happen once.

After the Lymond series comes the Nicolo series, which deals with Flanders and the Low Countries, Scotland, Germany, and Venice along with the invention of cannons, calculous, banking, financial systems and the invention of many other things. This series is very different from the first, but it takes just as much intellect and is just as wonderful in it'd own right.

That is a lot of words for a single comment. I simply want to share the joy of reading these works with someone who has the capacity to appreciate them along with your GR friends who can enjoy them as well.


message 35: by Henry (new) - rated it 5 stars

Henry Avila I have read Sabatini, but just Captain Blood and Scaramouche, both I liked ( and the old films too),and will get more of his books. Dame Dorothy Dunnett, not yet, want to but...so many novels at home need to be read !


message 37: by ChopinFC (new)

ChopinFC Read it in college...transcends literary form.
I'm still confused up to this date, lol


message 38: by Henry (new) - rated it 5 stars

Henry Avila It is a difficult read, but worth the effort. A pivotal work in literature and politics indeed.


message 39: by Chris (new) - rated it 4 stars

Chris Logan Plato also believed a perfect man existed and therefore should run the State, this perfect man of course doesn’t exist(except in the man Christ Jesus) so therefore Plato assumed the State was the perfect man.


message 40: by Henry (new) - rated it 5 stars

Henry Avila No such animal...


message 41: by Elsa (new)

Elsa Greed is the primary motivation of the human race. So true...


message 42: by Henry (new) - rated it 5 stars

Henry Avila i agree.


message 43: by James (new) - rated it 5 stars

James Thomas Brilliant review


message 44: by Henry (new) - rated it 5 stars

Henry Avila THANK YOU...


message 45: by Alex (new) - rated it 5 stars

Alex Joonto So what about all those people that refuse money and generous compensations for tasks that go against their values and beliefs? To me, human beings seem too complex to be moved and motivated solely by greed.


message 46: by Henry (new) - rated it 5 stars

Henry Avila While other things are possible , greed is the most common factor...


message 47: by Hekotin (new)

Hekotin Kekotin Greed is exactly what made communism fail. But it was capitalistic greed (the US, namely)


message 48: by Henry (new) - rated it 5 stars

Henry Avila After 100 million slaughtered it is good.


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