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Don Quixote by Miguel de Cervantes Saavedra
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it was amazing
bookshelves: 2010, reading-through-history, metafiction, top-100, rth-lifetime, too-many-books, 2018-written-world

I guess the goal of reviewing something like Don Quixote is to make you less frightened of it. It's intimidating, right? It's 940 pages long and it's from 500 years ago. But Grossman's translation is modern and easy to read, and the work itself is so much fun that it ends up not being difficult at all.

Much of Book I is concerned with the story of Cardenio, which Shakespeare apparently liked so much that he wrote a now-lost play about the guy. I loved that part, but for me, the pace slowed down a bit in the latter third of Book I. There are two more "novellas" inserted that have little or nothing to do with the plot; feel free to skip them. (They're discussed in the comments section below this review, if you're interested.)

Book II was published ten years after Book I, in 1615, and with it Cervantes pulls a typically Cervantes-esque trick: he imagines that Don Quixote is now a celebrity due to Book I's success. This changes the perspective considerably; whereas folks used to be mystified by Don Quixote, now they often recognize him, which generally results in them fucking with him. It invigorates the story; since Book II feels so different, I didn't get the feeling I often get with wicked long books where I kinda get bogged down around the 2/3 mark. In fact, I ended up liking Book II even better than Book I.

Quixote messes with your head. Cervantes pulls so many tricks out of his bag that you're never sure what's coming next. For a while I suspected that the footnotes had been written by Cervantes as well, and were all made up. I had to Wikipedia Martin de Riquer to make sure he was a real guy. That's how sneaky Cervantes is: he makes you think anything is possible.

I thought Don Quixote was tremendous. It's like nothing else in the world. I'm glad I read it. And I'll end with what might be the best quote of all time, and a brilliant thing to say to your wife:

"I want you to see me naked and performing one or two dozen mad acts, which will take me less than half an hour, because if you have seen them with your own eyes, you can safely swear to any others you might wish to add."

Right? Don Quixote kicks ass.

By the way, for another take on the story, here's Kafka:
Without making any boast of it Sancho Panza succeeded in the course of years, by devouring a great number of romances of chivalry and adventure in the evening and night hours, in so diverting from him his demon, whom he later called Don Quixote, that his demon thereupon set out in perfect freedom on the maddest exploits, which, however, for the lack of a preordained object, which should have been Sancho Panza himself, harmed nobody. A free man, Sancho Panza philosophically followed Don Quixote on his crusades, perhaps out of a sense of responsibility, and had of them a great and edifying entertainment to the end of his days.
(This is the entire text of his parable "The Truth about Sancho Panza"; it and others can be found here.)
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Reading Progress

August 25, 2010 – Shelved
September 2, 2010 – Shelved as: 2010
Started Reading
September 24, 2010 – Finished Reading
July 19, 2011 – Shelved as: reading-through-history
October 19, 2011 – Shelved as: metafiction
December 29, 2013 – Shelved as: top-100
January 2, 2015 – Shelved as: rth-lifetime
July 2, 2015 – Shelved as: too-many-books
January 9, 2018 – Shelved as: 2018-written-world

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message 1: by El (new) - rated it 5 stars

El Can. Not. Wait. I hope you love it!


Sasha Me too. What translation did you read? I flipped through the first few pages of several translations at a bookstore the other day, and Grossman's won; cursory research online tells me that everyone else thinks so too.

Plus it ups my pathetic ratio of female / male writers this year a bit. I get to count female translators.


message 3: by Marieke (new) - added it

Marieke Grossman's is supposed to the be best so far. i have it but haven't read it yet.


Sasha Maybe you should read it with me! I'm doing it for the next Bookish theme, the Nobel Prize.


message 5: by Marieke (new) - added it

Marieke Omg I am officially depressed.I just looked at that thread and there are soooo many books I want to read.

So how does that group challenge work? We have 42 days to read don quixote which is a million pages long? Is it cheating to listen to the audio version?


message 6: by Marieke (new) - added it

Marieke 1,000 pages over 42 days is approximatley 24 pages. Doable!


message 7: by Sasha (last edited 26 août 2010 17:25) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Sasha The way Bookish does it is they pick a theme, and you can pick whatever book you want as long as you can at least pretend it ties into the theme. So for the Nobel theme you could pick a Nobel winning author, or a book about the discovery of DNA, or a bio of Nobel himself...whatever. We'll all end up reading different things. The discussion for the recent altruism theme was amazing - maybe my favorite discussion since Africa's Congo.

I'm not sure how the Nobel one will go, though. I have a feeling we'll be all over the map and it'll be harder to get a cohesive conversation going.

But y'know, if you need some motivation to pick up Don Quixote...it's always easier to read with others!

Far as whether it can be done in 42 days...who knows? Depends on how much we like it, right?

Of course the audio version isn't cheating. That's perfectly valid.


message 8: by Marieke (new) - added it

Marieke Hm. I'll have to check the narrator's voice. Although I was about to listen to a spy history about roald dahl in DC or Dante... Difficult choice. Dahl, Dante, don Quixote...

I have to join this bookish group.

But what is the significance of 42 days?


Sasha I think they said something about a month being not quite long enough and two months being too long for group reads...frankly, I suspect they just wanted to be different. But yes, each theme lasts 42 days.

Bookish is cool. They've done an amazing job of attracting interesting people who read real literature. (Well, and also me, but you can't win 'em all.) You'd probably like it there.


message 10: by Marieke (new) - added it

Marieke I like the moderator calling herself harbinger of erudition.


message 11: by Sasha (new) - rated it 5 stars

Sasha Me too. Jennifer's cool.


message 12: by Marieke (new) - added it

Marieke hey--so i'm going to start reading this today. i'm making a very calculated strategy and will read a certain number of pages per day. otherwise i worry i'll never get it done. did you start yet?


message 13: by Sasha (new) - rated it 5 stars

Sasha I haven't, no, but I bought it yesterday, so I can do it today or tomorrow. How many pages are you gonna try to read per day?


message 14: by Sasha (new) - rated it 5 stars

Sasha As a Red Sox fan, I have to share this:

"I would have taken my revenge, too, if I could have, knight or no knight, but I couldn't, though in my opinion the ones who had so much fun with me weren't phantoms or enchanted beings, as your grace says, but men of flesh and blood, like us, and all of them, as I heard when they were making me turn somersaults, had names, and one was Pedro Martinez."

- Sancho Panza (p. 124)


message 15: by Sasha (new) - rated it 5 stars

Sasha And for my own purposes, because I'm tracking the appearance of Ethiopia in literature: here they are again, p. 128, "Ethiopians with pierced lips."


message 16: by El (new) - rated it 5 stars

El Oh, crap. I didn't realize you asked me a question back in freaking August, Alex. Sorry, I wasn't ignoring you. :) I read Don Quixote; looks like the translator for this one was Walter Starkie. I loved it (obviously), but now I wonder how much more amazing the Grossman translation would be.


message 17: by Sasha (new) - rated it 5 stars

Sasha I'm sorely tempted to go buy another translation to compare. Grossman's is highly readable, flies right along, but you know what kinda bugs me? One gets to the tilting at windmills scene, and there is no tilting at windmills. Because she's translated it differently. No one even says, "They might be giants." I kinda feel like at a certain point, some translated phrases have so infiltrated our language that maybe you should stick with them, y'know? An actual Jeopardy answer the other day was, "They Might Be Giants took their name from this 1615 novel." I could have gotten that wrong!


message 18: by Marieke (new) - added it

Marieke wow--i have not been getting emails to say there are comments here! no tilting at windmills?! uh-oh. i haven't gotten very far because i haven't had the chance i thought i'd have. i was planning to read 20 or so pages a day and i have a cushion since i started "early." your comments here have me excited to get into it! and i think i'm going to try to get my hands on the version El read, right away. here goes...


message 19: by Sasha (new) - rated it 5 stars

Sasha I happen to have had a ton of reading time recently, mostly thanks to brutal insomnia, so I've blazed through to around p. 185. That alone is a recommendation both for the book and for this translation, right? It's actually fun to read. Let's be honest, not all wicked old books are like that.


message 20: by Marieke (new) - added it

Marieke Yeah, I started it the other night and wanted to keep reading but I was too exhausted. My eyes wouldn't cooperate and the book is too big and floppy so I had trouble keeping it open right so I gave up and fell asleep. Last night I fell asleep on the floor with my dog into front of a baseball game on the telly but didn't get the necessary second wind for reading once I pried myself off the floor.


message 21: by Marieke (new) - added it

Marieke Got the Starkie! It's a 2001 edition.

I think I was feeling daunted by how old and large the book is but it seems like you're reading it with no problem so I'll scratch my pages-per-day strategy and just read like normal.


message 22: by Sasha (last edited 05 sept. 2010 17:06) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Sasha Who's your baseball team, Marieke? Mine is of course the Red Sox, who are done for this year.

I loved this quote:
"I imagine that everything I say is true, no more and no less, and I depict her in my imagination as I wish her to be in beauty and in distinction, and Helen cannot approach her, Lucretia cannot match her...Let each man say what he chooses; if because of this I am criticized by the ignorant, I shall not be chastised by the learned."

Kinda sweet.


message 23: by Marieke (new) - added it

Marieke I'm still learning baseball; I grew up in a house with severe restrictions on the telly because my dad was very anti-television, except for the muppet show. My mom's dad, however, was a huge red sox fan, being from new England. So I've been surprised to see my mom attach herself to the Nats (our local team is the Nats). My husband, on the other hand, is from Philly and baseball is his favorite sport. So I think I'm a phillies fan, but I like the nats, too, except for nyjer morgan. and I feel a family attachment to the red sox. I can't remember what game was on the other night...it wasn't nats or phillies but I have a feeling the outcome would affect the phillies chance at making the playoffs.


message 24: by Sasha (last edited 06 sept. 2010 06:53) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Sasha No problem with the Nats (Strasburg!) or Phillies, so thumbs up. (Actually, I kinda like every baseball team except the Yanks. And the Cubs.)

More importantly, I rewatched Muppets season one recently; it's wonderfully weird. They were after something.


message 25: by Jayme (new)

Jayme The Muppets is one of the best shows of all time! How can you not love this guy?
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Beeker and these guys are my favourite.
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I need to buy the DVD's!

How far along are you in the book? Is it still moving along?


message 26: by Marieke (new) - added it

Marieke My dad is essentially the guys in the balcony. He's crazy.

I've barely started but so far I'm liking it way more than I expected to. Definitely a worhtwhile endeavor for me!

I have a DVD of muppets Halloween specials...


message 27: by Sasha (new) - rated it 5 stars

Sasha I'm 250 pages in and it's actually getting even better. They're in this long section about Cardenio (the episode that inspired Shakespeare) - every time I think it's over, it's totally not - and I'm totally into it.


message 28: by Jayme (new)

Jayme You guys are making me want to dig my copy out of storage and try this bad boy out.


message 29: by Marieke (new) - added it

Marieke You should. Even my cat loves it. I might have to change my profile pic because of the cat and Don Quixote.


message 30: by Sasha (new) - rated it 5 stars

Sasha Your cat loves it?


message 31: by Marieke (new) - added it

Marieke Yeah...I'm not sure if I can upload a picture from my phone to goodreads...I'll try. If I can't I will figure out getting the picture up tonight.


message 32: by Cindy (new) - rated it 3 stars

Cindy This is for all you Quixotic folks:
http://betterbooktitles.com/post/1081...

You ever heard of Better Book Titles? Make sure to read the description on the left if not...


message 33: by Marieke (new) - added it

Marieke i changed my picture to my cat hanging out with don quixote. i mean, laying claim to don quixote.


message 34: by Marieke (new) - added it

Marieke i accidentally deleted my other picture. oops.


message 35: by Marieke (new) - added it

Marieke right, cindy! true! i used to have "Lover of the Absurd" on my facebook profile but i think i'll change it to "Reading Makes You Crazy."


message 36: by Sasha (new) - rated it 5 stars

Sasha Aw. Kitty really does like it.

Cindy, awesome...I'd forgotten that site. Perfect title, too.


message 37: by Cindy (last edited 08 sept. 2010 05:49) (new) - rated it 3 stars

Cindy Marieke wrote: "i accidentally deleted my other picture. oops."

Yeah, goodreads has this stupid system where the profile picture is different from other pictures, so if you replace your profile picture, it automatically gets deleted. dumb.

But kitty staking claim to your book? Awesome.


message 38: by Jayme (new)

Jayme That picture's adorable, Marieke!


message 39: by Sasha (last edited 08 sept. 2010 15:18) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Sasha I just slogged through what a footnote tells me is only the first "novella" that interrupts the action in Don Quixote. Did not like. It's the story of a guy who asks his best friend to hit on his wife in order to test her virtue. Very Boccaccio-esque. But Boccaccio would have wrapped this up in like four pages and ended it with a threesome.

For those reading with me, I think you'd lose nothing in skipping this. It's chapters 33 - 35, about 40 pages. If you skip, here's a spoiler summary, which I'm writing ahead of time so I won't forget later:

INSIGNIFICANT SPOILER ALERT

Anselmo and Lotario are best friends, known to the town as the two friends. Anselmo marries and promptly comes up with this ridiculous idea that Lotario should test his wife Camila's virtue by hitting on her. Lotario argues against, saying that women are like ermines, who can be trapped by driving them toward a mud puddle; they'll stop short, fearing to muddy their coats, and then they can be caught. That metaphor doesn't make sense to me but it feels central so I wrote it down.

Lotario eventually gives in and, predictably, falls in love with Camila; they begin a torrid affair. I love the word torrid. In a fit of guilt, Lotario half-confesses to Anselmo. Anselmo suggests he hide and watch the two interact to prove Camila's wavering virtue (he believes they haven't consummated, but she's losing resolve). Lotario changes his mind about feeling guilty; he and Camila stage a scene that makes it look like Camila was faking her wavering in order to test Lotario. Blah blah, Anselmo threatens to find out for real thanks to Camila's maid's indiscretion; Lotario and Camila run away together, Anselmo dies of a broken heart, Lotario commits suicide by warfare, Camila also dies of a broken heart, we all learn how dangerous it is to test women, seeing as how they're by nature weak and temptable.

There's a brief real-world interlude where Don Quixote has a dream he's fighting the giant and valiantly defeats a wine skin in his sleep. The innkeeper's all "This asshole owes me like a million dollars."

END SPOILERS


message 40: by Sasha (last edited 13 sept. 2010 17:02) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Sasha Second novella: also skippable. Even more boring than the first, but notable because it contains extensive parallels to Cervantes' own time as a prisoner of war, and for a fleeting moment when Cervantes writes himself into the story.

Anyway, a quote I wanted to get down: "This kind of writing belongs to the genre called Milesian tales, which are foolish stories meant only to delight and not to teach, unlike moral tales, which delight and teach at the same time." Wish I knew how to pronounce Milesian; I would use it to refer to the books I read just for the hell of it. It refers to stories from Miletos, which were known for their decadence.

Also, look up Zopyrus.

And also, p. 415 has some interesting comments on plays. I guess Cervantes wasn't reading English plays, which sucks, but it's fun to pretend he's dissing Shakespeare. These pages, 414-418, are like what the whole book is about.

"The fault lies not with the mob, who demands nonsense, but with those who do not know how to produce anything else."


message 41: by Jayme (new)

Jayme Click on the sound thing. Now you can sound like a pretentious loser any time you want!


message 42: by Sasha (new) - rated it 5 stars

Sasha Oh goody! Thanks Jayme, you're my favorite.


message 43: by Sasha (new) - rated it 5 stars

Sasha Past the halfway mark! Rad!

"The most perceptive character in a play is the fool, because the man who wishes to seem simple cannot possibly be a simpleton."


message 44: by Sasha (new) - rated it 5 stars

Sasha Book II was published ten years after Book I, in 1615, and with it Cervantes pulls a typically Cervantes-esque trick: he imagines that Don Quixote is now a celebrity due to Book I's success. This serves to change the perspective considerably; whereas folks used to be mystified by Don Quixote, now they often recognize him, which generally results in them fucking with him. It invigorates the story quite a bit; since Book II feels so different, I haven't had the feeling I often get with wicked long books where I kinda get bogged down around the 2/3 mark. Nice job, Cervantes.


message 45: by Cindy (new) - rated it 3 stars

Cindy I had no idea DQ was in 2 books. Sounds like an amusing twist. I have been learning so much vicariously through you...


message 46: by Sasha (new) - rated it 5 stars

Sasha Happy to help, Cindy. My goal is to give you enough information that you can pretend you read it and more or less fake your way through a conversation about it.

Reading: okay, but better if someone else does it for you.


message 47: by Jayme (new)

Jayme I already feel like I no longer have to read it, so well done, Alex!


message 48: by Sasha (new) - rated it 5 stars

Sasha Yo, what has two thumbs and has read Don Quixote? THIS GUY. Now I just gotta go back and slog through that stupid f'ing intro again to see if it makes any more sense.

I suppose I should try to write some kind of review, but how do you review something like this? I liked it. It was good.


message 49: by El (new) - rated it 5 stars

El Fantastic review! I was so worried you were going to hate it. High five!


message 50: by Sasha (new) - rated it 5 stars

Sasha High five! Whee! No, this has already become one of my favoritest books everz. I think it's amazing.

Oh, and here's a quote I meant to post here:
"Men have learned a great deal from animals...for example: from dogs, vomiting and gratitude."
(p. 528)


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