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now) with some bug fixes and minor additions. If your locale has any
changes to make, please submit them to the locale update forum topic as
usual before then:

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> The one I really care about is Eclipse Portable.
> gluxon seems to have everything worked out.  Lets get some people to
> down check it, then let's slide it out the door.
>
I would like Eclipse not to go out yet due to a fairly major security issue,
until we have the universal launcher with support for Subversion password
management.  There's an issue with Subversion password saving where it is
crucial that we do it the same with all our applications and have them
support one another, AND that they be able to cope with the launcher dying
and fixing it up on next start - otherwise passwords will be swapped around
and that's definitely not a good thing, and local passwords being "lost"
(permanently backed up) and future password data loss (moving won't work,
etc.).  I don't think John has built that into the launcher yet, I was
planning on doing it.  I need the launcher code first though to integrate
it.

There's also the code I'd like to check.  It was ugly and bloated when I
looked at it sometime early in the 3.4 cycle with a couple of minor bugs too
(I trimmed it to something like 30% of the size, enhancing it in the
process).  I understand that he's improved it somewhat but that there are
still some "best practices" which he hasn't been following.  But if we can
wait for the universal launcher (John... could I please have a look at it or
could we have a beta or something, pleeeeaase?) then that problem will be
out of the way.


-- Chris Morgan <chr...@gm...>


I'm good at making two things: mistakes and enemies.

Hey everybody.

I'm excited by all the releases we've had recently, and I'd like to get 
a few more going here.  We have a couple of things in the forums I'd 
like to get tested.  The one I really care about is Eclipse Portable.  
gluxon seems to have everything worked out.  Lets get some people to 
down check it, then let's slide it out the door.

If you would excuse the self promotion and have the time, I'd also like 
to see if any one will take a look at Screamer Portable.  I've been 
using it since my initial "beta" release almost a year ago.  About a 
month ago (give or take) I updated everything.  I don't think its fair 
for me to say its all ready to go.  So, if some people would pick it 
apart, I'd appreciate it.

OliverK

Hi all,

I updated Blender Portable on 03/09 to 2.49b as it was released that 
day. I have posted it in to the Beta Testing forum but either the world 
has lost interest in it or it has just slipped out of sight for everyone.

Latest post is here <http://portableapps.com/node/20636>.

I am hoping at least one of you get a chance to run over it to push for 
approval and to have the official release updated.


Regards,

Geoff (tanisthalon)

All,

OliverK, PatrickPatience, and I were talking about the RT today and came 
upon this conclusion, which seems to be the best way to jump-start 
what's going on.

We are all going to pick one app we are working on and post it on the 
page, and then the others shall test it.  Basically playing "musical 
apps" as PP said.  Then when the team has gotten through the apps, or 
has found an issue, that should be posted to the correct thread.  Just 
do that until the app gets released.  As your app gets released, you 
pick another app and the process starts over.

Here's what we've got so far:

OliverK: Monster2
ChrisMorgan: Code::Blocks
ZachThibeau: SMPlayer


That's all we've got as of now.  So lets get selecting and testing!

I'm working on setting up my two VMs now so I can test with them.

As you pick your apps, update the page and send an email :)  Lets get 
this show on the road once again!

-Michael

OliverK wrote:
> Taneth is on the team (I believe).  He does python.  daBomb's is 
> currently lacking some features, I believe, so I'm not real sure that it 
> counts as a release.  I can move the email to the forums if you'd like 
> but I thought that this was at least a good place to start and cut down 
> on the noise that would inevitably occur.

Honestly, we don't need any more planning on this list.  There was lots 
and lots of planning in the beginning.  We need people testing and 
approving apps.

Things like planning of the platform are of interest to a broader range 
and should not be confined to a members-only list.

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<font face="Calibri">Taneth is on the team (I believe).&nbsp; He does
python.&nbsp; daBomb's is currently lacking some features, I believe, so I'm
not real sure that it counts as a release.&nbsp; I can move the email to the
forums if you'd like but I thought that this was at least a good place
to start and cut down on the noise that would inevitably occur.</font><br>
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John T. Haller wrote:
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  <pre wrap="">OliverK wrote:
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    <pre wrap="">I don't know if anyone is keeping up with the gVim thread, but I posted 
about something that I thought the Release Team should handle (or at 
least consider).
As I posted here, <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://portableapps.com/node/15654#comment-126364">http://portableapps.com/node/15654#comment-126364</a>, I 
thought the the release team should formalize where the whole 
Perl\Python\ruby, etc debate.

*Perl*
I'll start with perl as I butcher it quit well.  There's two Perl 
releases in the forums currently:
Shawn Fauchers <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="http://portableapps.com/node/12595">&lt;http://portableapps.com/node/12595&gt;</a>
daBomb69 <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="http://portableapps.com/node/20482">&lt;http://portableapps.com/node/20482&gt;</a>'s
Shawn Faucher's version places the bin\lib\site of Perl in Common 
Files.  daBomb's goes in App\Perl for the binaries.  Neither of these 
will function with XChat's perl plugin, which requires ActiveState 
ActivePerl.  Technically a third version of perl.
Strawberry Perl also released a portable version 
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="http://strawberryperl.com/download/strawberry-perl-5.10.0.6-portable.zip">&lt;http://strawberryperl.com/download/strawberry-perl-5.10.0.6-portable.zip&gt;</a>.

*Python*
There's technically two version of Python in forums, although one has 
been declared defunct by it's author.  I can't really comment on this 
one, since I'm not sure how exactly the whole thing works.

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Personally, I'm evenly split on the issue for Perl, as well as Python.  
I don't think Python support can be cut up the way Shawn did Perl.  I 
know Java runtimes are in CommonFiles, so I would think that its 
appropriate for Python and Perl runtimes (along with others) to also be 
there.  However, that brings in the issues of asking developers to 
change the way they are handling distributions, which I don't think 
would be greeted with exactly open arms. 

I know I am not for doing multiple copies of everything by every app.  
Even though flash drives are ridiculously cheap these days, I still 
don't think we should squander that space that could be used for 
something else.  I think that it would also increase download sizes, 
which is unnecessary.  Especially if we have the something like gVim 
being bundled with 5 different languages.

Perhaps the only exception is something like XChat, but I don't think 
that XChat is going to be released . . .  In that case, we could 
probably do addon installers of some sort.

John, I don't know if you have a plan here or not.  If you do, I'd like 
to know.  I think that the issue will become greater as more IDE's and 
other things are (hopefully) introduced, and that it would be nice to be 
dealt with now.
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OliverK wrote:
> I don't know if anyone is keeping up with the gVim thread, but I posted 
> about something that I thought the Release Team should handle (or at 
> least consider).
> As I posted here, http://portableapps.com/node/15654#comment-126364, I 
> thought the the release team should formalize where the whole 
> Perl\Python\ruby, etc debate.
> 
> *Perl*
> I'll start with perl as I butcher it quit well.  There's two Perl 
> releases in the forums currently:
> Shawn Fauchers <http://portableapps.com/node/12595>
> daBomb69 <http://portableapps.com/node/20482>'s
> Shawn Faucher's version places the bin\lib\site of Perl in Common 
> Files.  daBomb's goes in App\Perl for the binaries.  Neither of these 
> will function with XChat's perl plugin, which requires ActiveState 
> ActivePerl.  Technically a third version of perl.
> Strawberry Perl also released a portable version 
> <http://strawberryperl.com/download/strawberry-perl-5.10.0.6-portable.zip>.
> 
> *Python*
> There's technically two version of Python in forums, although one has 
> been declared defunct by it's author.  I can't really comment on this 
> one, since I'm not sure how exactly the whole thing works.
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Personally, I'm evenly split on the issue for Perl, as well as Python.  
> I don't think Python support can be cut up the way Shawn did Perl.  I 
> know Java runtimes are in CommonFiles, so I would think that its 
> appropriate for Python and Perl runtimes (along with others) to also be 
> there.  However, that brings in the issues of asking developers to 
> change the way they are handling distributions, which I don't think 
> would be greeted with exactly open arms. 
> 
> I know I am not for doing multiple copies of everything by every app.  
> Even though flash drives are ridiculously cheap these days, I still 
> don't think we should squander that space that could be used for 
> something else.  I think that it would also increase download sizes, 
> which is unnecessary.  Especially if we have the something like gVim 
> being bundled with 5 different languages.
> 
> Perhaps the only exception is something like XChat, but I don't think 
> that XChat is going to be released . . .  In that case, we could 
> probably do addon installers of some sort.
> 
> John, I don't know if you have a plan here or not.  If you do, I'd like 
> to know.  I think that the issue will become greater as more IDE's and 
> other things are (hopefully) introduced, and that it would be nice to be 
> dealt with now.

This is something for discussion in the forums as part of platform and 
app planning and for discussion with all developers.  It's not really 
part of the release team.  The release team is to see releases from dev 
to pr to final.

I'm going to agree with you OliverK.  And I believe that's how John 
wants it to work, but he'll have to comment.

I believe anything that can be used by multiple apps should be stored in 
CommonFiles.  Currently, GTK for Pidgin is not, but I don't think there 
are (m)any apps that currently use GTK.

I believe unless it HAS to be different, IE - use a set version of the 
shared library, it should be allowed to be stored in CommonFiles.  But, 
on top of that, we need to have a solid base for it like John has done 
with Java before we can really require the app to use a commonfile 
location of the library.

-Michael

OliverK wrote:
> I don't know if anyone is keeping up with the gVim thread, but I 
> posted about something that I thought the Release Team should handle 
> (or at least consider).
> As I posted here, http://portableapps.com/node/15654#comment-126364, I 
> thought the the release team should formalize where the whole 
> Perl\Python\ruby, etc debate.
>
> *Perl*
> I'll start with perl as I butcher it quit well.  There's two Perl 
> releases in the forums currently:
> Shawn Fauchers <http://portableapps.com/node/12595>
> daBomb69 <http://portableapps.com/node/20482>'s
> Shawn Faucher's version places the bin\lib\site of Perl in Common 
> Files.  daBomb's goes in App\Perl for the binaries.  Neither of these 
> will function with XChat's perl plugin, which requires ActiveState 
> ActivePerl.  Technically a third version of perl.
> Strawberry Perl also released a portable version 
> <http://strawberryperl.com/download/strawberry-perl-5.10.0.6-portable.zip>.
>
> *Python*
> There's technically two version of Python in forums, although one has 
> been declared defunct by it's author.  I can't really comment on this 
> one, since I'm not sure how exactly the whole thing works.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Personally, I'm evenly split on the issue for Perl, as well as 
> Python.  I don't think Python support can be cut up the way Shawn did 
> Perl.  I know Java runtimes are in CommonFiles, so I would think that 
> its appropriate for Python and Perl runtimes (along with others) to 
> also be there.  However, that brings in the issues of asking 
> developers to change the way they are handling distributions, which I 
> don't think would be greeted with exactly open arms. 
>
> I know I am not for doing multiple copies of everything by every app.  
> Even though flash drives are ridiculously cheap these days, I still 
> don't think we should squander that space that could be used for 
> something else.  I think that it would also increase download sizes, 
> which is unnecessary.  Especially if we have the something like gVim 
> being bundled with 5 different languages.
>
> Perhaps the only exception is something like XChat, but I don't think 
> that XChat is going to be released . . .  In that case, we could 
> probably do addon installers of some sort.
>
> John, I don't know if you have a plan here or not.  If you do, I'd 
> like to know.  I think that the issue will become greater as more 
> IDE's and other things are (hopefully) introduced, and that it would 
> be nice to be dealt with now.
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<font face="Calibri">I don't know if anyone is keeping up with the gVim
thread, but I posted about something that I thought the Release Team
should handle (or at least consider).<br>
As I posted here, <a
 href="http://portableapps.com/node/15654#comment-126364">http://portableapps.com/node/15654#comment-126364</a>,
I thought the the release team should formalize where the whole
Perl\Python\ruby, etc debate.<br>
<br>
*Perl*<br>
I'll start with perl as I butcher it quit well.&nbsp; There's two Perl
releases in the forums currently:<br>
<a href="http://portableapps.com/node/12595">Shawn Fauchers</a><br>
<a href="http://portableapps.com/node/20482">daBomb69</a>'s<br>
Shawn Faucher's version places the bin\lib\site of Perl in Common
Files.&nbsp; daBomb's goes in App\Perl for the binaries.&nbsp; Neither of these
will function with XChat's perl plugin, which requires ActiveState
ActivePerl.&nbsp; Technically a third version of perl.<br>
Strawberry Perl also released a <a
 href="http://strawberryperl.com/download/strawberry-perl-5.10.0.6-portable.zip">portable
version</a>.<br>
<br>
*Python*<br>
There's technically two version of Python in forums, although one has
been declared defunct by it's author.&nbsp; I can't really comment on this
one, since I'm not sure how exactly the whole thing works.<br>
<br>
</font>
<hr size="2" width="100%"><font face="Calibri">Personally, I'm evenly
split on the issue for Perl, as well as Python.&nbsp; I don't think Python
support can be cut up the way Shawn did Perl.&nbsp; I know Java runtimes are
in CommonFiles, so I would think that its appropriate for Python and
Perl runtimes (along with others) to also be there.&nbsp; However, that
brings in the issues of asking developers to change the way they are
handling distributions, which I don't think would be greeted with
exactly open arms.&nbsp; <br>
<br>
I know I am not for doing multiple copies of everything by every app.&nbsp;
Even though flash drives are ridiculously cheap these days, I still
don't think we should squander that space that could be used for
something else.&nbsp; I think that it would also increase download sizes,
which is unnecessary.&nbsp; Especially if we have the something like gVim
being bundled with 5 different languages.<br>
<br>
Perhaps the only exception is something like XChat, but I don't think
that XChat is going to be released . . .&nbsp; In that case, we could
probably do addon installers of some sort.<br>
<br>
</font><font face="Calibri">John, I don't know if you have a plan here
or not.&nbsp; If you do, I'd like to know.&nbsp; I think that the issue will
become greater as more IDE's and other things are (hopefully)
introduced, and that it would be nice to be dealt with now.</font><br>
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<font face="Calibri">No offense, but I'm not real sure that a generic
launcher is the way we need to be heading.&nbsp; I'd prefer to get more
groundwork laid, before we throw out a generic launcher and say here we
go.&nbsp; A larger, more complete Guerrilla Guide or something akin to it.&nbsp;
I don't know if I could get some sort of other page to be editing and
improving.&nbsp; The forum post is great, but I'd like to be able to use
some more HTML in it to make it more readable.&nbsp; <br>
<br>
John, would you please also send me a copy of your launcher.&nbsp; I modded
IntelliLuanch to be a bit better, but have been way to busy otherwise.&nbsp;
I'd like to compare all three and see if any are deficient.&nbsp; I know I
need to add HOME path redirection into mine, as that's how Zenmap was
portablized.</font><br>
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Chris Morgan wrote:
<blockquote
 cite="mid:7ad...@ma..."
 type="cite">I'm more interested in the PortableApps.com Launcher.&nbsp; It
(and another addition to the PortableApps.com Installer I've got in
mind, for using it to create the structure and all at the start of
creating an app as well as what it currently does, thus making it the
PortableApps.com Packager or similar (as John thought of renaming it;
this would make that fit in even more)) seems to me to be the best way
of getting this venture ahead - make it easier to check apps.&nbsp; John,
how would it be if you just sent me what you've got so far, so I can
review it, put in any new ideas I've had, etc.?<br>
  <br>
  <div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 5:03 PM, Taneth <span
 dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
 href="mailto:tan...@gm...">tan...@gm...</a>&gt;</span>
wrote:<br>
  <blockquote class="gmail_quote"
 style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Raise
your hand if you're still interested o/<br>
But on the serious side, we do need to pick up our act and start
testing some more apps.
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    <br>
    <div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 3:56 AM, Michael
Secord <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
 href="mailto:giz...@gm..." target="_blank">giz...@gm...</a>&gt;</span>
wrote:<br>
    <blockquote class="gmail_quote"
 style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
      <div bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000099">
      <font size="-1"><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">I know
Zach
T. was the last one to post up on the testing page.&nbsp; Being busy with
songbird and work, I haven't had a lot of time to check out what he's
tested.&nbsp; Most of the other testers aren't around, or very
infrequently.&nbsp; The only members I actually see around are CM, ZT, you,
and occasionally powerjuce, but he's never around long.<br>
      <br>
What needs to be done is the list needs to be gone through and made
sure that they are all up to date and they need to be tested/verified.&nbsp;
We've got 5 apps in there right now.&nbsp; I should have time later today
and I'm going to go through those and see if they are still active and
up to date and update/modify as required.<br>
      <br>
I think that's the best way to start and get things going again.<br>
      <br>
I'm almost always around, so you can always catch me, if not on IRC,
you can catch me on AIM, MSN, Yahoo, GTalk, etc.&nbsp; Either Gizmokid2005,
or <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:Giz...@gm..."
 target="_blank">Giz...@gm...</a><br>
      <br>
-Michael<br>
      </font></font><br>
      <br>
OliverK wrote:
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        <div> <font face="Calibri">Well, what I'm looking to do is
find out who has
been active of late, then see what Dev test are still in the wild so I
can figure out who has a better chance of seeing any notes I'm
leaving.&nbsp; Hopefully, we can get teh ball rolling again.</font><br>
        <br>
John T. Haller wrote:
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            <pre>Is there anyway we can see who has been active recently?
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          <pre>Active how?  You can see the notes people have posted on the release 
team status page.  Or do you mean active in terms of logging into PA.c?


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I'm more interested in the PortableApps.com Launcher.  It (and another
addition to the PortableApps.com Installer I've got in mind, for using it to
create the structure and all at the start of creating an app as well as what
it currently does, thus making it the PortableApps.com Packager or similar
(as John thought of renaming it; this would make that fit in even more))
seems to me to be the best way of getting this venture ahead - make it
easier to check apps.  John, how would it be if you just sent me what you've
got so far, so I can review it, put in any new ideas I've had, etc.?

On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 5:03 PM, Taneth <tan...@gm...> wrote:

> Raise your hand if you're still interested o/
> But on the serious side, we do need to pick up our act and start testing
> some more apps.
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 3:56 AM, Michael Secord <giz...@gm...>wrote:
>
>>  I know Zach T. was the last one to post up on the testing page.  Being
>> busy with songbird and work, I haven't had a lot of time to check out what
>> he's tested.  Most of the other testers aren't around, or very
>> infrequently.  The only members I actually see around are CM, ZT, you, and
>> occasionally powerjuce, but he's never around long.
>>
>> What needs to be done is the list needs to be gone through and made sure
>> that they are all up to date and they need to be tested/verified.  We've got
>> 5 apps in there right now.  I should have time later today and I'm going to
>> go through those and see if they are still active and up to date and
>> update/modify as required.
>>
>> I think that's the best way to start and get things going again.
>>
>> I'm almost always around, so you can always catch me, if not on IRC, you
>> can catch me on AIM, MSN, Yahoo, GTalk, etc.  Either Gizmokid2005, or
>> Giz...@gm...
>>
>> -Michael
>>
>>
>> OliverK wrote:
>>
>> Well, what I'm looking to do is find out who has been active of late, then
>> see what Dev test are still in the wild so I can figure out who has a better
>> chance of seeing any notes I'm leaving.  Hopefully, we can get teh ball
>> rolling again.
>>
>> John T. Haller wrote:
>>
>> OliverK wrote:
>>
>>
>>  Is there anyway we can see who has been active recently?
>>
>>
>>  Active how?  You can see the notes people have posted on the release
>> team status page.  Or do you mean active in terms of logging into PA.c?
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Raise your hand if you're still interested o/
But on the serious side, we do need to pick up our act and start testing
some more apps.

On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 3:56 AM, Michael Secord <giz...@gm...>wrote:

>  I know Zach T. was the last one to post up on the testing page.  Being
> busy with songbird and work, I haven't had a lot of time to check out what
> he's tested.  Most of the other testers aren't around, or very
> infrequently.  The only members I actually see around are CM, ZT, you, and
> occasionally powerjuce, but he's never around long.
>
> What needs to be done is the list needs to be gone through and made sure
> that they are all up to date and they need to be tested/verified.  We've got
> 5 apps in there right now.  I should have time later today and I'm going to
> go through those and see if they are still active and up to date and
> update/modify as required.
>
> I think that's the best way to start and get things going again.
>
> I'm almost always around, so you can always catch me, if not on IRC, you
> can catch me on AIM, MSN, Yahoo, GTalk, etc.  Either Gizmokid2005, or
> Giz...@gm...
>
> -Michael
>
>
> OliverK wrote:
>
> Well, what I'm looking to do is find out who has been active of late, then
> see what Dev test are still in the wild so I can figure out who has a better
> chance of seeing any notes I'm leaving.  Hopefully, we can get teh ball
> rolling again.
>
> John T. Haller wrote:
>
> OliverK wrote:
>
>
>  Is there anyway we can see who has been active recently?
>
>
>  Active how?  You can see the notes people have posted on the release
> team status page.  Or do you mean active in terms of logging into PA.c?
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I know Zach T. was the last one to post up on the testing page.  Being 
busy with songbird and work, I haven't had a lot of time to check out 
what he's tested.  Most of the other testers aren't around, or very 
infrequently.  The only members I actually see around are CM, ZT, you, 
and occasionally powerjuce, but he's never around long.

What needs to be done is the list needs to be gone through and made sure 
that they are all up to date and they need to be tested/verified.  We've 
got 5 apps in there right now.  I should have time later today and I'm 
going to go through those and see if they are still active and up to 
date and update/modify as required.

I think that's the best way to start and get things going again.

I'm almost always around, so you can always catch me, if not on IRC, you 
can catch me on AIM, MSN, Yahoo, GTalk, etc.  Either Gizmokid2005, or 
Giz...@gm...

-Michael


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> then see what Dev test are still in the wild so I can figure out who 
> has a better chance of seeing any notes I'm leaving.  Hopefully, we 
> can get teh ball rolling again.
>
> John T. Haller wrote:
>> OliverK wrote:
>>   
>>> Is there anyway we can see who has been active recently?
>>>     
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OliverK wrote:
> Is there anyway we can see who has been active recently?

Active how?  You can see the notes people have posted on the release 
team status page.  Or do you mean active in terms of logging into PA.c?

Is there anyway we can see who has been active recently?

As much as i would like to say "Hear Hear" rite now i really cant. I 
have not been as involved as i like and i know that. However because of 
some circumstances i cannot get a windows computer to work on until mid-june
so until then i will do what i can on the IRC channel

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John T. Haller wrote:
> For right now, I'd like it if the release team could continue to review 
> the existing apps as-is in the way you were doing it before the switch 
> to the new installer.  If an app is still in PAF 0.9.8, it can still be 
> reviewed and approved for the next step (with the caveat that it needs 
> updating to the new spec) but that shouldn't prevent it from being 
> approved for a move from Dev Test to Pre-Release or from Pre-Release to 
> final.
>
> In the months the release team has existed, only 4 apps have been 
> processed, so rather than another discussion or to-do list or action 
> plan or whatever, I'd like to make some progress on which apps work 
> right and which need work.  So, let's get some apps out.
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For right now, I'd like it if the release team could continue to review 
the existing apps as-is in the way you were doing it before the switch 
to the new installer.  If an app is still in PAF 0.9.8, it can still be 
reviewed and approved for the next step (with the caveat that it needs 
updating to the new spec) but that shouldn't prevent it from being 
approved for a move from Dev Test to Pre-Release or from Pre-Release to 
final.

In the months the release team has existed, only 4 apps have been 
processed, so rather than another discussion or to-do list or action 
plan or whatever, I'd like to make some progress on which apps work 
right and which need work.  So, let's get some apps out.

Best,
John

*Jacob Mastel wrote:*

> Why not something as simple as a weekly “High 5”.  You know similar to what
> lifehacker does.  That way once a week one of us could put up a new thread.
> See what’s hot and focus our work for that week on those 5 apps.  Or maybe
> it would be wise to make it the “High 3” or “High 10” who knows.  But what
> do you guys think?

I reckon that just wouldn't work - it's too much like work... at the moment
the release team just isn't working properly.

*Michael Secord wrote:*

> We really need to get going on some projects, yes I know I do too, but
> first we need to get all the changes figured out and rolled out with the
> installer and launcher so EVERYBODY is on the same page and we have some
> continuity in what we are looking for and doing.
>
I very much agree with that.  We've got the installer going nicely now, I
think we've got to get the launcher together.  That's my area.

I think that the way I'm best to help at the moment is through developing
the launcher.  I've been making good progress on my test, but I'm still
waiting for John to send me what he's done, then we can start amalgamating
them and producing an official launcher.  I've successfully demonstrated
using it with Java apps now, and I think that seeing as we've historically
shunned Java apps, and now can do them almost properly, I think we should be
focusing on Java apps as far as development of official apps goes.

> I have one idea that comes to mind, and that is that we should somehow add
> a vote option to each app that is put up for development and then have a
> list that will show us what apps/topics have the highest votes at the end of
> a week, and then work on say, five, apps per week and get those out...that
> way we have a goal and keep things going.
>
Don't think that'll work.  Se above.

> Comments?
>
Done :-)

In summary, I think that a unified launcher is the most important thing at
the moment.  If we had that, developing new apps would be the proverbial
"snap".  I've found it to be such anyhow.


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without having to find a meaningful quote.  Will you forgive me?  Or don't
you read this bit?

Hey all
this is just a random idea that I had
As we are gaining more popularity i think we should have a web 
conference. Where the devs have a conference that discusses what 
portableapps are and how to develop. It would be a great way to start of 
the summer, if u do this like in june. And a great way to restart the 
work on the dev list.


so comment on this idea if u like and see if you are willing to do it.

powerjuce

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On 27-May-09, at 7:42 AM, Powerjuce <pow...@gm...> wrote:

> wat up all
> yea i wont b able to do a lot of testing as rite now my home  
> computer only has a backtrack os on it.
> however at about june 15 i will b switching back so i will b able to  
> start testing again
>
> powerjuce
>
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>
> Zach Thibeau wrote:
>>
>> Well for now due to the fact I can't run windows until my new hard  
>> drive comes in I'm stuck with using a ubuntu live cd at this time,  
>> until said new hard drive arrives in the mail
>>
>> On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 12:44 PM, Michael Secord <giz...@gm... 
>> > wrote:
>> That's kinda what I mean....but how are we going to determine which  
>> ones are the "high 5"?  By the number of posts?  Those could be BS  
>> posts or actual posts of issues and whatnot, hence the voting  
>> feature.  I'm not saying it's a NEEDED thing, but it would be a  
>> good idea, at least for us to figure out which apps to push out.   
>> Just my thoughts.
>>
>> -Michael
>>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject: Re: [PA.c Release Team] I'm Back
>> From: Jacob Mastel <jac...@gm...>
>> To: por...@li...
>> Date: 5/25/2009 11:31 PM
>>> Why not something as simple as a weekly “High 5”.  You know simi 
>>> lar to what lifehacker does.  That way once a week one of us cou 
>>> ld put up a new thread.  See what’s hot and focus our work for t 
>>> hat week on those 5 apps.  Or maybe it would be wise to make it  
>>> the “High 3” or “High 10” who knows.  But what do you guys  
>>> think?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Jacob Mastel
>>>
>>> jac...@gm...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Michael Secord [mailto:giz...@gm...]
>>> Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 4:29 PM
>>> To: por...@li...
>>> Subject: Re: [PA.c Release Team] I'm Back
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Whats ironic is I was just going to post back to the list.  We  
>>> really need to get going on some projects, yes I know I do too,  
>>> but first we need to get all the changes figured out and rolled  
>>> out with the installer and launcher so EVERYBODY is on the same  
>>> page and we have some continuity in what we are looking for and  
>>> doing.
>>>
>>> I have one idea that comes to mind, and that is that we should  
>>> somehow add a vote option to each app that is put up for  
>>> development and then have a list that will show us what apps/ 
>>> topics have the highest votes at the end of a week, and then work  
>>> on say, five, apps per week and get those out...that way we have a  
>>> goal and keep things going.
>>>
>>> Comments?
>>>
>>> -Michael
>>>
>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>> Subject: [PA.c Release Team] I'm Back
>>> From: Jacob Mastel <jac...@gm...>
>>> To: Release Team <por...@li...>
>>> Date: 5/25/2009 6:06 PM
>>>
>>> Hello everyone,
>>>
>>> I’ve been extremely busy as of late so I haven’t been able to ke 
>>> ep up to date with all of the current pac news.  I see we have n 
>>> ew specs and standards to uphold.  Now that I’ve finished some o 
>>> f my huge projects I’d like to start working again.  Unfortunate 
>>> ly it seems we haven’t done a lot while I’ve been gone so is any 
>>> one else really interested in keeping up?  I’d like to test some 
>>>  apps is there any that are really popular and should have prior 
>>> ity at this time?  Thanks for your help.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
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>>>
>>> jac...@gm...
>>>
>>>
>>>
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wat up all<br>
yea i wont b able to do a lot of testing as rite now my home computer
only has a backtrack os on it.<br>
however at about june 15 i will b switching back so i will b able to
start testing again<br>
<br>
powerjuce<br>
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--<br>
powerjuce<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:pow...@gm...">pow...@gm...</a><br>
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Zach Thibeau wrote:
<blockquote
 cite="mid:345...@ma..."
 type="cite">Well for now due to the fact I can't run windows until my
new hard drive comes in I'm stuck with using a ubuntu live cd at this
time, until said new hard drive arrives in the mail<br>
  <br>
  <div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 12:44 PM, Michael
Secord <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
 href="mailto:giz...@gm...">giz...@gm...</a>&gt;</span>
wrote:<br>
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 style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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    <font face="Comic Sans MS">That's kinda what I mean....but how are
we
going to determine which ones are the "high 5"?  By the number of
posts?  Those could be BS posts or actual posts of issues and whatnot,
hence the voting feature.  I'm not saying it's a NEEDED thing, but it
would be a good idea, at least for us to figure out which apps to push
out.  Just my thoughts.<br>
    <font color="#888888"><br>
-Michael<br>
    </font></font>
    <div class="im"><br>
-------- Original Message --------<br>
Subject: Re: [PA.c Release Team] I'm Back<br>
    </div>
    <div class="im">From: Jacob Mastel <a moz-do-not-send="true"
 href="mailto:jac...@gm..." target="_blank">&lt;jac...@gm...&gt;</a><br>
    </div>
    <div>
    <div class="h5">To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
 href="mailto:por...@li..."
 target="_blank">por...@li...</a><br>
Date: 5/25/2009 11:31 PM<br>
    <blockquote type="cite">
      <div>
      <p><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Why not
something as simple as a
weekly “High 5”.  You know similar to what lifehacker does.  That way
once a
week one of us could put up a new thread.  See what’s hot and focus our
work
for that week on those 5 apps.  Or maybe it would be wise to make it
the “High
3” or “High 10” who knows.  But what do you guys think?</span></p>
      <p><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
      <div>
      <p><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">--</span></p>
      <p><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Jacob
Mastel</span></p>
      <p><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><a
 moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:jac...@gm..."
 target="_blank">jac...@gm...</a></span></p>
      </div>
      <p><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
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 style="border-style: solid none none; border-color: rgb(181, 196, 223) -moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color; border-width: 1pt medium medium; padding: 3pt 0in 0in;">
      <p><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: windowtext;">From:</span></b><span
 style="font-size: 10pt; color: windowtext;">
Michael Secord
[<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:giz...@gm..."
 target="_blank">mailto:giz...@gm...</a>] <br>
      <b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 25, 2009 4:29 PM<br>
      <b>To:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
 href="mailto:por...@li..."
 target="_blank">por...@li...</a><br>
      <b>Subject:</b> Re: [PA.c Release Team] I'm Back</span></p>
      </div>
      </div>
      <p> </p>
      <p><span style="font-family: &quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;;">Whats
ironic is I
was just going to post back to the list.  We really need to get going
on
some projects, yes I know I do too, but first we need to get all the
changes
figured out and rolled out with the installer and launcher so EVERYBODY
is on
the same page and we have some continuity in what we are looking for
and doing.<br>
      <br>
I have one idea that comes to mind, and that is that we should somehow
add a
vote option to each app that is put up for development and then have a
list
that will show us what apps/topics have the highest votes at the end of
a week,
and then work on say, five, apps per week and get those out...that way
we have
a goal and keep things going.<br>
      <br>
Comments?<br>
      <br>
-Michael<br>
      </span><br>
-------- Original Message --------<br>
Subject: [PA.c Release Team] I'm Back<br>
From: Jacob Mastel <a moz-do-not-send="true"
 href="mailto:jac...@gm..." target="_blank">&lt;jac...@gm...&gt;</a><br>
To: Release Team <a moz-do-not-send="true"
 href="mailto:por...@li..."
 target="_blank">&lt;por...@li...&gt;</a><br>
Date: 5/25/2009 6:06 PM<br>
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      </p>
      <p>Hello everyone,</p>
      <p>I’ve been extremely busy as of late so I
haven’t been
able to keep up to date with all of the current pac news.  I see we
have
new specs and standards to uphold.  Now that I’ve finished some of my
huge
projects I’d like to start working again.  Unfortunately it seems we
haven’t done a lot while I’ve been gone so is anyone else really
interested in
keeping up?  I’d like to test some apps is there any that are really
popular and should have priority at this time?  Thanks for your help.</p>
      <p> </p>
      <p> </p>
      <p>--</p>
      <p>Jacob Mastel</p>
      <p><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:jac...@gm..."
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