Re: [LogiLogi-list] Selected logi and small color-tweak

First of all I'm happy to hear that things were largely based on a
misunderstanding, and are well now :)

Replying to parts below.

> Hi all,
> 
> I've been travelling to uruguay so didn't have much time, but been
> working on the html too.

Ttravelling indeed takes time... but I usually also like how gives 
experiences and time to think :) 

(even short distances one has travelled 100's of times)

> > I just committed another version of UI_proposal_D_softblues.svg
> >
> > - We could show the selected logi by simply connecting the lines
> > around the logi to it. I find that a very elegant solution (idea
> > by Charles in a conversation)...
> 
> very beautifull, love this type of stuff :)

'k Good we have the same xp, also loved it at sight :)

> > - Buttons round or little rounded is, I think not such a big issue
> > at all, so I've now made them with rounded corners instead of
> > round again.
> 
> I like them much more with rounded corners, great :)

:)

> > - Coloring, I think with the tags having a color that stands out
> > might be better, and at least the line around the logi conflicts
> > a lot less with the little view, edit, insert tabs.
> 
> great too, and the mix of green and blue works good. This is just
> becouse they are both soft colors, as green and blue don't usually go
> well together, but they do here.

Happy :)

(also the blues are good, I am very positive about the taints of blue,
and now the pplz who didn't like green will like it too :)

Where did you get the color-scheme ?

> > I also refreshed the UI_proposal_D_softblues.png
> >
> > I hope all is well and we can collaborate on the UI. Don't know how it
> > is for you two Bruno, Charles (and Miguel ?), but for me this is the
> > first time I work on a design in a team so I hope I'm doing well on
> > teamwork...
> 
> I hope I'm doing good too...

Apparently :)

> > And I am firm on this. No little kingdoms, no blind trust, no
> > delegation to single persons, and if anyone does not like that,
> > the net is big...
> >
> > Not that it's that far now, but just for the record, and everyone
> > knows where I stand on such issues.
> 
> Ok, it's good you're making this clear, and I certainly support this
> too, but I need to make clear my previous suggestion since it has been
> terribly missunderstood and what I proposed previouslly is what is
> already happening, if not things would not move forward.
> 
> I've always been a big fan of distributed, destructured team works,
> you can ask Miguel, that has always been a greatness and a weakness,
> as people is not used to work this way.

In FOSS many projects they do... Though there are some well known ones
that don't either... but I agree it can be one of the most challenging
ways of working.

> What I proposed is just to have one person to have the last word, this
> time about the UI design, but should be like this for all domains.
> This doesn't mean that the team work don't takes place, it takes
> place, and it could also be powered by the person that decide the
> direction. Obviouslly this desissions should be only about small
> details, put the "add logi" button here or there, put images profiles
> or not in the logi, etc, etc. Small details that took us too long to
> solve, and we would have move forward faster if we have just decided
> on a main UI svg which was the current path. This way we also see the
> design proposals in parallel to a finished one that evolves and gets
> enriched by the others...
>
> Again, this sort of desissions are already been taken by you Wybo, and
> I think it's fine, as we need to move forward.

Hm... as I see it they are not taken as in me (or anyone else) having
last word rights or something like that. If I would have had, we would
have had a bad UI now I guess :) 

I want to strive for unanimity through improvement, communication and
compromises... and as the group of people working on the project is
still relatively small, I see that as something attainable... When it
is not, or not anymore I think only either a survey/panel of users or
votes on the list are a legitimate way to come to a decision... Never
'last word'-rights or any other special rights of any of us.

Still I do agree there must be decisions made now and then, and that
we must move on too, but they never should be last words at which no
reasoned critique is possible...

(When the project gets bigger there of course can be sub-groups for
different domains & delegates and such, but they should always consist 
of a few pplz with equal rights...)

> And yes, the web is big, and this project is libre. I also hope you
> appreciate my work at logilogi.

I do, I do very much.

> Please, try to put a positive view on what I'm saying, as this media
> and the little we know eachother in person could lead to
> missunderstandings.

Indeed. That's a serious problem with i-net communication.

Also a mistake we both made in the design-process was not providing
enough explanations / objective stuff with our changes, especially 
when things started bouncing back and forth... And maybe also not
saying enough things ahead of time...

For example an idea on the editing window is whether to have the query
bar with the tags in view or not. I think we should, as it provides
context and editing is a bit too simple for a wizzard...

And also we should have either wizzards that take the whole screen,
even the space of the title-bar (looking like overboxes, but acting
like normal pages), or screens...

This to prevent all kinds of awkward choices of what to add and what
not, and also to make things simple for the user. Everything in screen
is relevant and positioned with clear steps...

For eye-candy reasons we can leave the logi in it's exact place when
adding links for example, and replace the page around it with the
wizzard...

These are just ideas, but knowing in which direction pplz think can
be handy when explaining or proposing other directions or 
suggestions...

Also I think - guess - we can keep many of the wizzards in relatively
unmodified form, except having them as non-overboxes, and some
coloring to make them fit with the new UI...

> As you said and I said before, we've as a team got to a better UI than
> we would have each of us apart, and more than that, I think we have a
> F**** kickass UI... I'm really glad with it.

Indeed a kickass UI! Very happy with it! Good work of us all!

> let's move on!!

Ok, we agree then hereby :)

> I'll be working offline for a coupple of days probably as I don't have
> a connection, but working on the HTML.

Good. I will make the controllers and views work with the xapian links
search, and prepare my presentation for the Software Freedom Day this
saturday. Might also do some sketches or at least lists of elements for 
the mainpage and or edit...

LogiLogi for all, all for LogiLogi :),

Wybo

> Greetings to you all.
> 
> -- 
> Bruno