Re: [LogiLogi-list] gettext, links style, logi actions and other bits

On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 9:08 AM, Wybo Wiersma <wy...@lo...> wrote:
> There was a sourceforge svn outage tonight... Committing seems to be
> working now again.
>
Ok, committing now.

> So you got xapian compiled and your copy working again ? Good :)
>
yes, I actually got the backport source list and install it through aptitude :)

>> == Links styling
> Except that I don't understand what problem we have/had with remarks
> overlapping with links, as we used to use background-color versus
> underline already... (and they can be combined).
>
nono, I mean solved as how I "resolved" the overlapping remarks coloring.

> A neat addition we could have is also showing the underlines darker
> blue/more purple when there are more links, and in red when there's
> one link and no logi for it found (a dead link).

certainly :)

>
> With comments we can use the yellow-orange range.
>
I thought about that too, so if you agree too, I really think it's the
way to go, since this way comments would be easier to understand as
actual comments and not "links to other pages", while they could be
clickable... maybe not, just popover?

> Still for the 15th of sept release I suggest we keep things simple,
> and stick with simple blue for links, and yellow for remarks.
>
Yes, we should unless we see we have plenty of time left :)

>> == Logi actions
>
> Good idea :)
>
> I turned Add into Insert, and suggest the following changes:
>
> edit =>text, links, remarks, tags, settings
> insert => links, remarks, comments
>

ok, great.

> As this applies to the current logi, it is not the place for a
> contending logi adding button. We've got one at the top already, and
> eventually could add one in the contenders-menu (but I think without
> one there it's already clear enough).
>
yes, good too as is better not to have same action in different flavors.

>> will we change the name of comments to logi-replies? logi-comments? additions?
>
> Should brainstorm about this.
>
> Commenting logis, derived works, etc...
>
>> == UI svg
>
> Hm, I don't really think it is likely to be confused as the whole page
> in the logi-view is about the logi, like incoming links, remarks,
> etc...

I don't agree with this. I understand it, but I don't think people
will understand that those stars are for the logi, and the stars from
the bottom are for the same logi but for me to vote, and that have
nothing to do with the comments... I really don't think so, but let's
do it like this and see.

> So I detached it again, and put it in the small top-notice box again.
> The reason to put it there, is to attend the user to the rating, and
> then at the bottom, in another such box he can rate himself, making
> the connection stand out...
>
Again, size is not all, but ok, lets see.

> Also the small top-notice box is handy too for the browsing, and can
> be used too (or an additional one when needed) for flash-messages...
>
I don't like to have the add_new_logi button inside a notice box, I
think it should be the clear left side button I always put there :)

Also notice box there is great, I will certainly go for that, but we
should differentiate system notices (like errors, alerts, or logi
created) from content information like "found 234 matches"

>> have strong position and will be visible and clear, and I prefered to
>> enphasize the create new logi link. I also removed the logi-weight,
>
> Isn't it already emhasized quite a bit by the little speech-cloud ?
>

Still, I don't think it should be there the speech cloud.

This elements are adding distractions to the viewer. I think we need
to take out of the sight as many things as possible. If we have this
notices on mouseover users will quickly get use to this action and go
mouse over everything, we are use to that, but if they are fixed they
will distract. Also, as you said, they could be shown (maybe all) at
first login and vanish them after first click or something... then add
a cookie... but imagine you navigating it from a new browser... we
could also add a cross to close them... Still I think they should be
only visible on mouseover, but... let's try it.

>> but this could be added too, do you think it's important to be shown?
>
> I think it is important, as the credibility of a rating, depends on
> it's power too (like the nrs of votes on other sites). And it is a
> sensible place to show it, also as it clarifies, or at least suggests
> what the user's voting-power will do.
>

Ok, so this brings me to other thought I had. The weight is only
meaningful if compared with other weigh, so we should have it close to
the user power. I don't think current position for user power is good
over there to the right... we've lost it again from sight.


> Hm, we will have to see how it works out indeed, though I think the
> borders don't have to make it look less good perse... As they create
> a play of lines too...
>

they saturate the view. http://digg.com/ http://slashdot.org/ (no borders :)

>
> So I think we do can show a (small) snippet of the logi's behind links
> in the clouds, but that doesn't mean we can't show them at the bottom
> too...
>
ok... and what do you think about having them hidden at first? like
"See 12 comments on this logi"?



Well, I'll be working on all this later today, greetings

-- 
Bruno