Re: [LogiLogi-list] Various notes

After I am home in 2,5 weeks I will answer more extensively, but for
now already a few quick replies to some parts of it.

> = Papers
> Wybo, reading your posts "Historic Essays", and I wonder, why write a
> logi pointing to a pdf? wouldn't it be better to write it right to
> logis? as a pdf it loses the point of logilogi I think... Also, for

You're right, was just lack of time to do it properly.

> this purpose it would be nice to have some kind of document structure
> (logis relations as talked before) so you can split up a paper in
> logis (Index, introduction... conclusion) and have them group
> together... This could be also achieved by tags, but I don't think
> tags are meant for this type of reference...

Longer term I think.

> = Best practices
> I've been reading last logis submited, and this is what really get
> things going! We can already see some problems to solve for example on
> over-length logis like "Functionalism" by Kalle, that he opted to
> split it up, and I think he was forced to do something that is not
> good... I think we should deal with this problem by trying to model
> good writing practices. We could suggest good practices when the
> maximum word count is overpassed, for example in this "Functionalism"
> logi, it could have been splited by three "entities for which social
> phenomena can be functional" logis... I see a logi truncated looses
> the concept of LogiLogi... what do you think?

Agree.

> = Multiple authors
> Wouldn't it be nice to be able to add authors to logis? many papers
> are written by more than one person... This would be part of the logi
> meta data, which could have lot's more of information, like
> contributors, references, bibliography, etc... what do you all think
> about this? what you had in mind for this wybo?

Logis are so short that it is not really needed soon I think.

> Also by the way, I've just read an interesting paper [0] from Larry
> Sanger, in which he asks himself "Should science communication be
> collaborative?" While reading it I found some of the problems (if not
> all) he mentions are actually solved by Logilogi, which is very
> encouraging, and we should contact him (again) to let him know
> Logilogi could be the answer (in case this mail mentioning his name
> don't call him). Also Logilogi is more oriented to humanity related
> discussions, but in the future the same model could work for other
> areas.

If we've fixed the most pressing bugs & usabillity issues we could
indeed... :)

> = Text editor
> Why isn't bold style accepted? too disturbing? Note that shorcuts
> still work for bold "ctrl+b".

Indeed, too disturbing.

> = Overbox
> I don't know what you'all think about this, but now that I've started
> editing at LL, I realized that it's very uncofortable the
> Overbox-way... Mostly because my browser is slowed down and for
> example if by mistake I click outside the box it looses the data...
> Also when it gives me a "too long error" the data is also lost :(

Only a problem on slow PC's, and it can also be fixed by removing the
transparency from the overbox-background.

> I'm working on another approach that will come along my UI proposal.

Will see it, looking forward to it :)

> = Remarks reply
> Well, it seems that remarks should haver a bit more features than just
> that, it looks like they will be the "chat/conversation/noice" arround
> the logi, which is good to keep it apart of the important content.

That would reintroduce threads, no remarks are just for short shouts.

> = IRC Bot
> Wouldn't it be nice to have a logilogi bot? maybe to notify at the
> channel of new logis? certainly bots are very interesting :)

Cool.

> = Recent changes RSS
> wouldn't it be nice and easy? :)

Cool & added a task for it.

--- WOOOT :)

Richard Stallmann entered the building while I was typing a reply!

Very weird, to see a person like him for the first time in one's life... :)

I have a photograph with me and Stallmann together, though he was talking to
someone else while it was taken.

Sadly enough he did not remember me from the mail-conversations...

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> = Bugs
> Special characters in tags does not work right, it throughs 500 error.

Filed a bug for it.
 
> When creating a new peergroup, after entering the name if return
> pressed it seems to cancel instead of submit.

Filed a bug for it.

> You might already seen it, remarks popovers stretch too the conent
> instead of having a fixed with.

Filed a bug for it.

> When logged in at en.logilogi I'm not to other languages.

Filed a bug for it.

> When canceling a remark addition or link addition, the remarks box
> (not the one in the overbox) is resized, and also, if I go back to the
> overbox for adding the link or remark it will not work right and not
> show the logi text.

Was already filed as a bug.
 
> = Webs
> I've found this project [1] which looks very interesting and has a
> different approach but similar purpose to logilogi.

Is slightly interesting indeed, although I already knew it and it works with
propositions and they claim they are having/wanting software-patents to it, so
I dont like it that much...

> Also miguel found this other website [2], which has not much to do
> with LL, but certainly has some nice features.

Indeed, this one is very interesting, thanks :)

> I'm still working on the UI, and I'll make an effort to commit
> something tonight, even if it's not finished, as I want both your
> critic and collaboration.

Cool :)

I am currently cleaning some stuff up in preparation for the replacement of the
front-page might do a test-version of that some time in the coming days.

greetings,

Wybo Wiersma

> Later all.
> 
> [0] http://www.larrysanger.org/scicomm.html
> [1] http://truthmapping.com
> [2] http://ameritocracy.com/
> -- 
> Bruno